Energy Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-26-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-scheduleMetagame Mentor: The Scariest Standard Strategies in Duskmourn:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-scariest-standard-strategies-in-duskmourn>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously:>>94326428>TQPost your favorite 1 mana creature
SLOP FOR THE SLOP GODS
>>94331907MOUNTAINS OF HOG SLOP GOING INTO MY HUGE HAIRY GUTOMMMMMWWWWFFHHHH
You guys still play 1-drops?
Play Premodern, /tg/.Come back to when MTG was fun.Come home.
I want a real UB: Fortnite and a real UB: League of Legends. None of this SLD all reprint shit.
>>94331955You mean back when WotC printed the Urza block directly onto the reserved list? That "good magic"?
>>94331899I have become death, destroyer of formats.
>>94331955either play closed formats or accept the Fornite of card gamesoldfag mtg players need to make a choice
UB was a mistake, the truly final of Magic.
>>94331994Nahh
>>94331955>Closed formatShit. I rather ban any UB slop and enjoy true Magic.
>>94332005Nahh what? you fence sitting bastard lmao
>>94332010This, just invent a UB-less format.
>>94332016Nahh, no
>>94332022
tqShe is sexually attractive to the extreme.
>>94332010>>94332017groups of competitive players gradually rejecting ub slop and a new format emerging should happen but i'm not optimistic
Fuck you Mark Rosewater
>>94332010>modern horizons>true Magickek
>>94332030It will happen 100% specially as UB products increase. Can you imagine the actual shit that will happen when 2025 World Championship final of MTG has a Cloud/Sephirot deck and an Spider-Man deck as contenders?
Come home, /tg/.
>>94332034Standard and Pioneer exist anon-kun. That's why they are trying to ruin those formats with the UB shit.
>>94332061yeah we need to support anything that refuses ub but i feel a lot of people will just give up and quit the game
i can't laugh hard enough at ub haters and the "pure magic" group when every single secret lair, the last one of marvel included, sells better than some real sets of magic lmao.must be sad don't even belong to your own game anymore.
>>94332068>he thinks they're not gonna do standard and pioneer horizonsyou libs are truly naive
>>94332085Oddly similar to Commander
>>94332085Faggot hands wrote this shit.
thank God I only play my cube.
>2024>they don't play Premodern
Which format's playerbase is more likely to turn on the UB shit and splinter?
>>94332066>>94332141Can you give me a good starting point for 'the solution' if I want it to play more like a tempo or midrange deck than a control deck?
Why is it unacceptable to gatekeep new players but old players can get fucked?
Why not play Pure Modern instead?
>>94332085i can handle 6ED rules changes, new border art, mythic rarity and planeswalkersnone of them hold a candle to the sell out moment wotc did by launching FIRE design back in 2019 starting from Core 2020, all to keep a dying corp called Hasbro alivethat's when mtg "died" and was "reborn" into the funko pop of card games
>>94332148Vintage and Legacy because those cards will look ridiculous in the same hand as classic ones
>>94332148All of them. Nobody other than already existing magic players would ever consider dropping 400 dollars for 75 pieces of cardboard even if it has Peter Parker in it
>>94332162>playing memedern>ever
>>94332168>Legacy players having a spineBrb buying 4 commander precons so I can have a playset of TNN
>>94332182Commander players.
>>94332141>2024>they don't play Postmodern
>>94332168that's actually a good point, imagine spongebob and spiderman flanking a black lotus
>>94332153RG Goblins is a great tempo / midrange deck that can escalate really fast if you get a good hand and your opponent doesn't have an answer.Mono Black decks are always good for tempo but you need to be careful as control decks can work around your shit and stop your game.Sligh decks are pure burn that are really fun to play with and are very aggressive.
>>94332197Commander UB newfags have had easy access because of precons. This will not be the case for constructed
>>94332119xe is right, you know
>>94332206No no, I'm asking about this archetypehttps://www.mtgtop8.com/archetype?f=PREM&meta=254&a=1480But it seems like there's a gorillion ways to build it between UW, UWR, Wave/Tide + Stifle, Bolt/STP, counterspells or no, etc.
modern horizons 4 coming through
>>94332228sagas really suck
No asspulled argument the Whales/Coomander crew can make would ever convince me of UB not being a pile of shit and i will refuse to play against anyone casting a Tifa or a Venom or whatever.
wotc will get away with itall will be forgotten when the next set comes outnothing will happenuntil end of time
>>94332244>free winsneat
>>94332227Oh that, sorry, I miss-read your post.But yeah, basically there are a lot of different ways to build it. You just need to see whatever works best for you and goes with your play style.The Exalted Angels, Meddling Mages and Mother of Runes are always an absolute must-have though. As well as the Swords to Plowshares.
>>94332244>a Tifa or a VenomSurprisingly wholesome.
>>94332303the fact that can be a deck soon is beautiful
>>94332341We already have incubation as a mechanic as well, if one of them has red in their color identity there's probably a way to give out the Goblin or Changeling then you can have them and Krenko spawn out a horde of goblins onto the battlefield.
>>94331899>pic>black magic womanwhy does hasbro love the magical n3gr0 trope so much?
>>94332161Something something "market research".
>>94332161It's kinda like abandoning a barren mine, and opening a new one.
jesus why do people actually do thisI played one single spell this entire game, just one piece of instant speed removal on turn 6 wins the game>dread whispers x2, unholy annex x2, liliana, finally a 4 mana demon + mosswood and OOPS I LOSE
>>94332480Going out on his own terms
>>94332161Just look at the thread.Advertising for new players will bring more people (so more money) in Mtg. And even if the older players don't like it, they'll still buy the products so there is no need to pander to them
>>94332480>jesus why do people actually do thisthe vast majority of people you will face on arena do not actually want to play the gamethey want to get their daily quests/wins done because that's what the game conditions them to dothey'll make a bunch of misplays and obvious mistakes because they're mentally checked out
>>94332452WotC is located in Renton, Washingtonaka Seattleand that place is a liberal hellhole
>>94332514The weird part is that it's not like they let actual minorities live there. Seattle is the whitest, most moneyed up major city in a blue state.
>>94332557What do you think happens when you import minorities? Its the white people who are libtarded not them
Not Magic the Gathering.
>>94332496NTA, but consumer trust isn't infinite, enfranchised players can't just be taken for granted because it is possible to alienate them. Eventually if you don't do enough to keep your own set of players who care about the game itself besides the IP crossover you're going to have a shrinking core audience.There are problems with what Wizards is doing, but alienating your costumer base is a very real threat regardless of aware of it Wizards is.
FF set will be so fun and popularno seething can prevent this
>>94332616>seethingI really do roll my eyes at the attempt by retards to paint criticism in such a light.It's a pathetic, brainlet method to deflect from actually engaging with said criticism. Very cult-like.
I unironically would have gotten sephiroth to play commander games with but knowing half of all sets moving forward are going to be UB made me stop and say why bother. I like UB as a commander contained thing, not half of every standard sets in a year.
>>94332638textbook seethe response
>>94332647Prove it.
Come to Premodern, anon.Come back home...
>>94332026tfw still no bigger
>>94332682It's shit
>>94332716Why?
>1) Companion>2) Fetchlands>3) Metatokens (Day/night, Monarch, Dungeons etc.)>4) Named tokens (Treasure, Clue, Map etc.)>5) RhysticThese are the worst mechanics ever.
>>94332452it really reduces the appeal of white cardsyet they invent blue and red people to put on blue and red cards. hmmmm(but it's kino on black-white cards, which should feature sexy black women hopefully with big lips)
>>94332725reminder that most of the broken mechanics like storm and infect were made by rosewater
>1) Counter target spell>2) Infect>3) Protection from>4) Storm>5) AnnihilatorThese are the worst mechanics ever.
>>94332725>double faced cards>hybrid mana>sagas>planeswalker cards>adventure>foretell>morph/disguise/megamoprh>mutateThese also are the worst mechanics ever.
>slivers have X>kicker (boring)>cumulative upkeep>ninjutsu>landwalk
>>94332760Solid 6-10.DFCs are a blight, should probably be higher.
>>94332760Adventures are great
>>94332616>crossover slop will be popularWhat? No way. That's craaaaaaaazyyyyyyy.
The art in premodern carts are absolute KINO.You cannot deny this.
>make food>make clue>when X enters or attacks>whenever....draw card>whenever you would do thing, do thing twiceYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THISLL BE FIRE IN MY GONGO BRONGO, SUCKER OF DICKS DECK IM FOILING IT OUT BROSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>94332836this is FIRE Design at work
Why Magic's IP is important.
>>94332817No they are not.Each card is a representation of a spell page in a spellbook.Narrative wise what's the logic behind a creature summoning spell going on an "adventure"?Not to mention that the aesthetics of these cards are horrible.
>>94332025I just don't care enough
>>94332892>Each card is a representation of a spell page in a spellbook.This hasn't been true for almost two decades.
>>94332889Why does anyone care about what Nosewater says/thinks? He'll just roll it back in a month when he gets new corporate orders.>it's just a rare thing this Walking Dead crossover>don't worry we'll print in-universe equivalents for crossovers. It's magic the gathering after all>we will be printing stuff directly into older formats, but we won't make it too strong ;)>look we can't do that in-universe shit>actually you have to play against UB. It'll be in every format. Fuck off >don't worry you retarded sheep. We REALLY care about your feedback and we'll make sure to include some MTG and not all UB (this is subject to change immediately if we make money)
It's Rosewater, ok?
>>94332907So what is the current symbolic meaning of each card?
>>94332953It's a card.
>>94332836so basically, this?
>>94332889>UB sets come with a licensing cost.They PAY to be a billboard!?
>>94332889>we're growing our brand by diluting our brand and ruining our brand recognition and brand loyalty
>>94332836
>>94332889>WotC PAYS to shill other brands and not their own.Literal cucks.
>>94333016Rememberthe only thing business school retards are taught about brand recognition is"Do people recognize the name of your brand?"and NOTHING else.
>>94333016But anon....think of the short term profits!
>>94332760>double faced cardsThe fucking worst because they force you to either fuck around with sleeving/unsleeving your cards constantly or having extra copies/checklist cards/whatever to keep track of. I truly hate them but I don’t know how you could do it differently. I guess Kamigawa did it fine but then you’re limited on art/text space>hybrid manabased mechanic. Zero issues>sagasThey’re fine but I personally liked Cases more. Basically the same thing but you get an initial benefit and then a standing benefit for completing a task instead of random shit every turn. Talents from Bloomburrow were also good>planeswalker cardsA necessary evil but yeah I don’t like them and never use them>adventureThis mechanic is fine. Doubling up on a cards value is fun>foretellAlso fine for a value mechanic>morph/disguise/megamoprhNot a fan of playing cards face down, and you have to keep track of what is what and how much you’re paying for each one. A book keeping nightmare >mutateI like this conceptually but it’s also kind of a pain to keep track of and it’s not fun spending mana making one big fatty just to get Plowshared for one white
Companions are unironically cool and after the 2nd UB set you will pray to good for more them. Mark my words.
>>94332997>>94333029I thought everybody already knew this? UB sets require a licencing fee, the only way they make more money is if Wizards can sell them at a higher price or sell much more of them faster when compared to a normal set.
>>94332892>Each card is a representation of a spell page in a spellbook.And adventure spells have two pages. Pagelet spells can't compete.>Not to mention that the aesthetics of these cards are horribleYou have to be a pathological contrarian to think that.
>>94333086Why are plainswalkers necessary?
>Cultural Consultants>Asian americans saying what a company can or not do>They are less acknowledged about the culture they are being paid correctly represent>They have shit takes on fantasy and pop culture that are mostly products of bad anime>They will say things are racists for not depict exactly like it is in a mith, ignoring the "pop culture" that created it>It is mostly the same company that fucked over Legend of the Five RingsIt is Jover
>>94333139Whoever made that left image into a mobile game ad was a genius. It looks so generic and bad.
>>94333134They aren't. There's only like 3 in the entire game anyway.
>>94333134Necessary for player engagement with the lore I guess. They could have just NOT focused on them so much, but it would be weird to have set after set after set coming out talking about Planeswalkers interacting with the world and you never see them represented in card form>>94333139Why does the art on the left and top right look AI generated?
>>94332889>MAGIC: The Gathering Begins, Streaming NOWit's gonna be so epic on netflix sisters!
>>94333139>>They are less acknowledged about the culture they are being paid correctly representfuckrephrasing it (and actually finishing):They are less acknowledged about the culture they are being paid to correctly represent than some random whitenoid that studied history or is autistic about asian culture.(But they will still virtue signal about it being their culture and they knowing more than some random dude)>>94333131So... How did your "Whale" investment end? Profit? Rope?
>>94333139I think my favorite example of cultural consultant triumph is Ubisoft's special edition of Assassin's Creed: Shadows.They had UNTOLD numbers of diversity consultants looking at every aspect of that game, no doubt making sure it is the most diverse possible game evar.And the special edition featured the main female character sitting directly on top of a broken half-Torii gate.You know, the iconic Sannō Shrine.The half-Torii gate shrine made to mark where the atomic bomb hit.The memorial to those lost to the atomic bomb.Her ass, directly on top of it.Good job guys. Great consulting work.
>>94333086>adventure>fine because....valueThis is like half of the problem of new Magic cards. Every card has to be exploding with value. Adventure only makes it worse and more transparent.They'll make Mega-Adventure eventually where you get 2 spells and then a creature (that also creates value) and people like you will say "wow it's a good card! That means it's a good design!"Vomit inducing.
>>94333185I think Adventures are fine provided their costs are sub-optimal. Kicker effects could be crazy value but easily kept in check.Heartflame Duelist is one of my favorite recent cards.
>yfw they reprinted this guy because were supposed to return to lorwyn next year
>>94333172>So... How did your "Whale" investment end? Profit? Rope?What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>94331899>N
>>94333174To be fair, if your job is being a "consultant" that probably means your actual day-to-day job is:>receiving and deleting emails>attending meetings sometimes>blowing someone higher in position>showing up to group photos so you can show how diverse your team is>________
>>94333207THEY PUT THE FEMALE MAIN CHARACTERS CHARACTER'S ASS ON A MEMORIAL TO THOSE KILLED BY THE ATOM BOMB.
>>94333172>>94333185unironic retard
>>94333200Aren't you the anon who bought lots of "Horned Loch-Whale" on release in hopes of it being a good investment? I see sometimes an anon shilling the card here so I thought they were all one anon trying to save face
>>94331899This is so much better than a soul sister. What the fuck. It's so good that the +1 life per creature doesn't even matter, it's just tacked on there while you harvest energy counters that no one else can interact with.
>>94333253I never had that card I posted it because I like the Nils Hamm art.
>>94333222You're forgetting that just sitting on a Tori is sacrilegious.
>>94333174>The half-Torii gate shrine made to mark where the atomic bomb hit.>The memorial to those lost to the atomic bomb.It's not a memorial that was erected afterward. It's literally the remainder of the gate that survived the blast and somehow stayed standing.
>>94333131Nigga, do you really think that a card with a smaller MTG card in the left side is a good example of beauty and good aesthetic taste?
>>94333472It's honestly a fairly well executed and simple keyword.
>>94333472It's funny, because adventures are the closest MtG cards have gotten to being pages in a book in terms of flavor in decades.
>>94333185>I want cards and mechanics that suck assThat’s a weird hill to die on.
>>94333472Visually it's actually pretty good (better than other modal designs they've tried in the past), it's just dumb that you get to do both by default.
>>94332889so the second they don't have to pay for licenses. say, other IPs would pay wizards to add their. this all goes out the window
>>94333489lol, you aren't very smart.
>>94333490>Visually it's actually pretty good No, it's not.It's cluncky, ugly and clutters the card with a lot of information.
>>94333472It's literal perfection, even with the basic bitch frame.
>>94333520>It's cluncky, ugly and clutters the card with a lot of informationSounds like you need some adderall.
>>94333520Get some new glasses, grandpa
>>94333522>>94333490>>94333488>>94333485zoomer brain rot
>>94333548>mtg cards are supposed to represent pages in a spellbook>no not like that!Boomer cope
>>94333472Yes
>>94333548>le wrong generation
>>94333472no one who starts a sentence with nigga should be talking about beauty and good aesthetic
>>94332889>in-universe sets cost less to make and give more value over timeWhich is why you're going to see them doing it less and less as time goes on. There's a planned failure arc here where they're going to try to squeeze as much money out of the community as possible before letting it die and leaving someone else with the debt.
>>94332969kek magic IP really is like this
>>94333546>>94333537The duality of man.
>>94333472People are just used to fucked up frames nowadays.
I like mdfcs. they smooth out gameplay as lands can now be spells and vice versa. fuck mana screw/flood, absolutely worst mechanic in the game
what if they get rid of value cards but you draw two per turn so the game isn't boring
>>94333607>I like mdfcs. they smooth out gameplay
>>94333610I mean sure they are clunky to flip but that's the best I think we are getting. not really a big dealwhat would you suggest, discard this card make land token?
>>94333607I'm glad they exist. Mostly because I can point them out to anyone who bitches about mana flood/screw that they could build an entire deck out of lands that double as spells if they really wanted.
>>94333607
>>94333621>what would you suggest, discard this card make land token?I would suggest not making these cards.
>>94333623yeah, used to play as many cycling lands as possible for the longest time>>94333635what, cards that prevent mana fuck?
lands and nonlands should be separate draw piles and you choose which to draw from
>>94333651>used to play as many cycling lands as possible for the longest timeUnless you're a control player or something, you're a fucking idiot
>>94333621You mean these?
>>94333676sure that can work too, it's also good because it kinda still punishes not drawing the land since you have to pay 1cycling is one of my favorite mechanics and it's not even kicker
>>94333578Old people really need to be diagnosed for ADHD do to coming from a time where it wasn't treated seriously. You should see videos of old people finally taking Adderall and become overjoyed about finally having control of their life.
>>94333560Not really, zoom zoom.If the adventures are a representation of a double-page spell, then why does one side of the page vanishes from your hand when you cast it?Or why can't I cast the left side of the spell if I summon the creature first?
>>94332032This card is based, and should have been in the game decades ago.
>>94332032Please understand the commanderbabies were complaining
>>94332166Reminder that he was trying to stop this.
>>94333713It represents spoiling the ending on yourself so there is no longer a reason to read the beginning.
>>94332141>2024>they don't play Premodern
>>94333711>he wants to give boomers more control of their livesSome men just want the world to burn
>>94333713>cast a flashback spell from hand>can still cast it again despite it not being in may hand afterwards>cast a flashback spell from the graveyard>can't cast it from my hand anymore?Truly a mystery.
>>94333711Adderall is literally a coping drug that will kill you. ADHD ain't even real, retard.
>hey everyone let's play a static format of old ugly expensive cards
>>94333739Get a better format
>>94333756>old expensive Use proxies like a sane person>uglyKill yourself
>>94333713cringe retard>>94333733based
>>94333756The election must have really leeched off a lot of the overseas gigwork shill pool if this is the best they could find
>>94333676What the fuck is going on with that elephant's face?
Get better name, because "Modern" makes me dry heave.
>>94333745>flashbackthe act of retrieving an old spell scroll from the trash, the paper is so worn out that it falls apart (is removed from the game) after you use it again.It's not that hard to imagine, anon.Not to mention that the flashback often has a different cost than the original, which means that playing the same spell twice requires a different process.
>>94333745>cast a flashback spell from handa flashback spell is not cast from your hand, retard.
>>94333711>You should see videos of old people finally taking Adderall and become overjoyed about finally having control of their life.Everyone who does stims feels that way at first.
>>94333812go back to english class, ESL
>>94333812What happens when you play Faithless Looting from your hand, retard?
>>94333824You are casting the spell called Faithless Looting.Not flashbacking casting it.Jesus, are zoomers really this dumb?
>>94333851>You are casting the spell called Faithless Looting.Yeah, the spell that has Flashback. Which makes it a flashback spell.>not flashbacking casting itNever said I was. That's why I said Flashback spell from hand, retard. Because the spell has Flashback in its rules text in all zones.
>>94333851It's still a flashback spell, retard.
>>94333795how did it get so worn out just from being read once?
>>94333790AI still has some issues, please understand saar.
>>94333887The same way that Adventures require you to read them 'in order' to get the full effect. It's ultimately flavor that doesn't fully hold up to full scrutiny in gameplay.
>>94333866>>94333869No, it's simply a spell.Flashback it's an abiity.
>>94333908You're so dumb.
What's the flavor to Emrakul dying to exactly 21 spiders?
>>94333908Yeah, and saying Flashback spell tells you that the spell being referenced has the Flashback ability, even if the Flashback ability isn't actively being used to cast it. I'm glad you understand.
>>94333913She's mildly arachnophobic.
>>94333913You're a planeswalker and you did some planeswalker bullshit involving spiders
>>94333913That’s the exact number of spiders to make an eldritch god monster notice and become creeped out enough to fuck off back to the moon
>>94333911
>>94333923I mean, if a millennia old vampire can be acrophobic...
>>94331899I just took a MASSIVE dump. Decks for this feel?
>>94333934Your English isn't as good as you think it is.
>>94333949Boros Energy
>>94333949Mono Green Devotion
>>94333949Twiddle Storm
>>94334008Twiddle is more of a jerking off deck, rather than a dropping a load deck
>>94333745>>94333795magic follows a loose version of vancian spellcastingMana is (you) drawing on land you have a bond withYour deck is your mindYour hand is your immediate thoughts and what you have mentally preparedThis is the entire flavor behind mill and discard
>>94334027It's an anal stimulation prostate orgasm deck
>>94334034Yeah, emphasis on loose. That's why you can use a spell to summon a creature, but then a spell that makes a strong wind can revert that creature from being a summoned mana construct back to being a thought in your mind again.
>>94334064Every bounce spell that I can recall at the moment is inherently magic in nature and generally has ties to the concept of Aether so sending a magical construct back to your mind is reasonable.Timestreams is the best MTG book if you want to see the in universe characters actually deal with the restrictions a player would have
>>94333916No, if you're calling a spell with the flashback ability a "Flashback spell", you're just naming it incorrectly.Flashback is not a type of spell.But pic related it is. If you say you are casting an 'Arcane spell' you would be correct.
How do people feel about the damage rule change?
>>94334101Annoyed, especially if one plays a lot of limited, but mostly burned out after the UB news.
>>94334036that would be Eggs, the premise of the deck is literally dozens of round objects repeatedly entering and leaving over the course of 20-30 minutes
>>94334101It's a big step in the right direction, which is back to damage-on-the-stackBut you already knew that, mr botposter
>>94334099What was the point of arcane spells?How were they used?
>>94334117But it's a step further away from that
is magic dead yet?
>>94334126what was the point of goblin spells?How were they used?
>>94333949Belcher
>>94334126Read the text for "Splice onto Arcane" again. It's basically a way to let you cast multiple spells while only spending one card.
>>94334135I didn't play during a format with arcane spells
>>94334128Yes, but it's corpse still being used as a cum dumpster
>>94334137Oh, you only reveal the card and don't discard it?
>>94334095>Every bounce spell that I can recall at the moment is inherently magic in nature and generally has ties to the concept of AetherSome, but not all. Some of them are just bursts of wind, a rush of water, or even just a creature.You eventually run into weird edge cases when it comes to the flavor and gameplay.
Give me one good reason why you think premodern is shit, /tg/. One actual valid good reason, none of that "expensive cards" bullshit (just use fucking proxies).I'll wait.
>>94334114Eggs is cock and ball torture
>>94334157I'd prefer a wider card pool
>>94334150Yeah that's fair
>>94334166Bitch. It ranges from 95 until 03. It has a ton of expansions and you still need more?
>>94334157retardedly small card pool, there's like 2 decks truly viable>b-but we play with 20 different decks!Yeah but you are all retarded boomers that are shit at the kid and just roleplaying your youth's decklists, basically commander 2.0, the format is a complete meme from a competitive standpoint.Maybe next time if you want to make a pre-modern frame format have all pre-modern cards be actually viable and ban the p9.
>>94333949A control deck where you're abusing your ring
>>94334101I don't like the flavor of the changebecause it's as if the attacker can change focus mid-combat to attack each creature the amount he wantsFASTER than an instant like giant growth
>cards only available in precons>these cards only come in foil and full art>oh actually they’re available in a overpriced “collectors” boosters>also only in foil/full art but it’s a DIFFERENT pictureAm I the only one who can’t stand this shit? I just want non-foil cards
>>94334157Tutors are gayThe art is gayThe spells are mega gayThe lands are turbo mega ultra gay EX plusIt's just a worse vintage
>>94334178>>94334191Now you're just shitposting.
>>94334101pump spells got worse and attacking is more favourable in Limited?not a fan. I like the other changes more.
>>94334157you make 30 low effort social media posts each thread advertising Premodern.if it's full of people like you then the format is shit.
>>94334064>being a summoned mana construct A summoned creature is not a mana construct. It is literally a being transported from another reality by you (the planeswalker), through a complex magical ritual.For this same reason, the old rule did not allow the same legendary creature to be summoned twice.The first Planeswalker (player) who summoned that unique being literally removed it from the place in the multiverse where it was.That's why even if the opponent had the same summoning spell and tried to use it, it would fail.The legendary being was already there on the battlefield.
>>94334193If I was then I'd be playing your shitty forced meme format, but since you're here begging for players guess I'm not, huh?At least 93 is an authentic format with an degree of coherence. Imagine picking and choosing blocks and not doing kamigawa.
>>94334205So why can a normal Jellyfish send people to other realities? >>94334150
>>94334101It's retarded and a spawn of the play test team low IQ.
>>94334157I like wordy cards, and generally speaking newer cards are more wordy. I like it when my opponent has to re-read my permanents.
>>94334101The change that I really felt was the one that eliminated the mana burn.The game lost some of its strategic feel and led to players not caring much about mana management.Flavorwise, the fact that you can abuse the planet's vital energy without any consequences at all, really bothers me.
>>94334212A creature is being held on the battlefield by the planeswalker's willpower, presumably a shock generated by the jellyfish interferes with the ritual that keeps the summoned creature in this reality.
>>94334177It's my preference. I think you could expand the card pool up to just before the introduction of Planeswalker cards.
>>94334205Actually, no, they are mana constructs. The last few times we saw it happening in lore they were mana constructs of real things.
>>94334230I'll be honest, I cared about the mana burn removal for about two days, then realized I had played exactly 1 game where it mattered. If it kicked in more often I probably would have stayed upset, but it was basically a non-issue to begin with.
>>94334244But a Lightning Bolt to the face doesn't?
>>94334205>>94334212They retconned that back in the shit to in house story telling.In 98 they shifted from telling mtg stories in comic form to the Weatherlight Saga. In doing so they made is so all the pre-Weatherlight stories existed as "secondary canon" wherein they existed in a "if we bring them up again then they happened but if we contradict them, then the new stuff takes precedence.For example the MC of this old comic >>94296067 Jared existed in a state of basically not being cannon while his GF was canonized in as part of the Nine Titans with no mention of him.It wasn't until decades later for Dominara United that he was returned to being officially canon.
>>94334261No.
>>94334257They are mana constructs NOW.Because the Wotc is retarded.Lorewise it doesn't make any sense for them to be mana constructs.Since they are not the only, unique, special and legendary creature, what stops me from summoning two Thalias at the same time?
>>94334287The flavour of "you are a planeswalker" hasn't been a thing for a decade and a half outside of marketing.
>>943342917 actually
>>94334287Ironically that's exactly why you can't literally be teleporting the real legendary creature to your position anymore. Thalia has gotten new cards that represent her aging and getting new skills. If you were summoning the actual person, then you'd only ever be able to use the latest canon printing of a legendary creature.But instead, you can summon multiple Thalias across different points of her life all at the same time. And if any of them die to Doom Blade, the real Thalia is still alive.
>>94334291Wotc and Hasbro also say that orcs are not evil and having having purely and innately evil races are wrong.
>>94334311>dark banishing some fag's legendary>every coomander player can no longer run that cardnothin personnel
>>94334311That was actually a big point of contention back in the day. Once characters started showing up in multiple sets Wizards was afraid of confusing players with two versions of the same character.This is why Crovax is just called Ascendant Evincar in his second depiction.
>>94334311But this is a flaw in the rule they created themselves.If a player summoned a Thalia, no other player should be able to summon a Thalia until that one is destroyed.Any Thalia, whether Guardian of the Thraben or the older version, Heretic Cathar.Only one Thalia should exist on the battlefield.
>>94334341only I can marry Thalia.
>>94334341That's the thing though. If you're summoning the real Thalia, how are you summoning the one that no longer exists?
>>94334341>That meta when players were running the OG Jace because he was a three drop and by playing him one could cockblock your opponent out of playing Mindsculptor.Kino
>>94334341I don't understand why the solution was "both players get to have Akroma" when the most flavorful thing would have been to destroy my opponent's Akroma when I cast my own Akroma because I'm summoning her from your field to my field.
>>94334341>>94334287also, my original question still lingers:Why can't I summon two identical Thalias?
>>94334355Its easier for new players>>94334358Because Wizards gave up on lore a while ago but not before making it worse.
all legendary creatures are cringe
>>94331899>universe beyond shit on half the sets in a year>chink art on normal cards now instead of being in promos onlywelp, this game is now shit
I thought summoning a legendary twice blew up both of them
>>94334370You can cast a second one, but when it enters the battlefield you choose one to keep and put the other in the graveyard as a state-based action.
>>94334351Something like this happened back in standard when there was a Lin Sivvi rebels mirror match.Whoever summoned her first won.
>>94334355This.Also what would be even more kino lorewise would be the old rule of only allowing one copy of each legendary creature per deck.
Card for this feeling?
>>94334420FREESTYLER, RHASTAMATAFON
>>94334358You can, but you need to go through a hoop, like using a Spark Double or a Mirror Box. Presumably it's just a quirk of the summoning magic that it breaks if you try to envision two of something totally unique (e.g. a specific person from a specific point in time) at once without some external aid. But something interchangeable like some animal or soldier or artifact, you can envision many of them or you can envision similar things that fulfill the same function/role. It's just a generic template.Right now you can imagine a crowd of cops and it could be a real thing, but you can't imagine a crowd of your mother being real unless you imagine some explanation for why there's multiple copies.
>>94334420this dude always gave me FF protag vibesso probably the FF set
>>94334420Yeeeeeeeah, straight from the top of my domeAs I shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle my massive tome
>>94334436So you just have to.. believe it?
>>94334452Naruto UB confirmed
>>94333139so we now have niggers in Talkir?
>>94334461we wuz khans and shiet
>>94334431Anon doing the Lorwyn Goblin write up here (Still working on it).One of the most interesting things I discovered is that its heavily implied that Kookus was the one that taught the Dominarian Goblins fire magic. Even more so because in my overview of all Pre-Lorwyn goblins I did not notice any actual fire magic coming from Goblins until Visions where Kookus and his Keeper appear. Only unstable inventions, explosives, swarm tactics, and acts of morale boosting like War Drums.
>>94334511Based.
>>94334369I hope my wife upsets you as much on the table as it does on the internet.
literally me
>>94334547literally me
>>94334370It used to a long time ago before the legend rule was changed.The change was after kamigawa wasn't it?
>>94334555>>94334547>explain the rules of the game on the cardwhy are old rules written by absolute morons
>>94334568Oh so I was right then>The change was after kamigawa wasn't it?You can check on yawgmoth. I started in 7th and really got into it in kamigawa so that would have been the rule at the time.
>>94334568It got changed in 2014
>>94334580It was only the second set with multicolor cards so they had to make sure that isolated kids could understand.
>>94334580Old Magic assumed you would play the game with your pals and figured out the rules and cards interactions on your own.Nowadays, if there is any doubt, zoomers just open the Gatherer on their phones.
>>94334580unironically it was a different time
>>94334547>Even the other Goblin races shun the Marsh Goblins, thanks to certain unwholesome customs they practice.
>>94334581yawgmoth? what?
Count Grizzly1G - CreatureLegendary Bear2/2Counts as both a Green card and a Bear.// "He bears the noble arithmetic of the forest."
>>94334687No, Wizards is going to dig their heels in deeper because they are based in Seattle.
>TQSignal Pest. I like the flavour, I like how it plays, and I think it looks cool. It suggests another dimension of combat between mirrans and phyrexians, giving players pause to think about the scale and tactics of the war. Today, they would just make generic beatstick #999
>>94334716I'm so sad that the field repots they wrote for the war are mostly lost.You cans till find fragments of the field reports on the wayback machine.If anyone has a more complete archive I would appreciate it.
>>94334764Actual linkhttps://web.archive.org/web/20110601000000*/http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Mirrodin
>>94334771I don't see anything.
>>94334780Try putting this URL into the Wayback Machinehttp://www.wizards.com/Magic/Mirrodin
>>94334788I see exerpts but no full texts. I guess they are really mostly lost.
>>94334716Hate this art, I see the claw as a weird bird head every time.
>>94334801>Yeah it sucks, because this is basically the plot of Mirrodin Besieged. The only other bit of story I was able to find via a quick glance at some forums is that the Phyrexian side of the war was all recorded by Unctus.So its nice he got a card later
>>94334821You don't like art that reveals itself to be something other than what you originally thought it to be upon closer inspection?
Besides The One Ring, what other cards does your opponent play that causes this reaction from you?
>>94334867the race card
>>94334867the second copy of the one ring
>>94334871just >Invoke Prejudice
>>94334874There is no fucking way you can play 2 Rings
>>94334883Calling your opponent a nigger is a special action and it can be done at any time.
>>94334889
>>94334885Well they haven't restricted it yet so...
>>94334885You can play four the one rings stupid.
>>94334711This. WotC loves DEI. I'd might actually buy product if they had some skin or groveled to Terese Nielsen. Even with Maro's bad card designs.
>>94334916They really should have printed, "A deck can only have a single, "The One Ring""
He won.
>>94335127Woo Who?
>>94333432Did they reinforce it? It would be pretty shitty for this thing to become a post-nuclear icon only to topple in a random earthquake
Now that JD Vance is Vice President he needs to unban our favorite card in every format
>>94335194I'm still mad about that article.MTG players saying playing to win and using broken cards is wrong and makes you bad was retarded
>>94334895Is that the actual flavor text?
>>94335220It is, and it's hilarious
>>94334355>>94334364They changed it for Jace the Wallet Sculptor. People ran Jace to kill opponent's Jace.
>>94334895>>94335230I kind of want the inkling replaced with him
>>94335194JD Vance is the President
>>94335275God I can't wait
>>94332736Do we have a list of ALL mechanics by maro, so we could establish the percentage of broken mechanics?
>>94334358It's for mechanical reasons. Two Thalias on the battlefield would be too strong for 2 mana. That's why Mark wants to remove legendary's uniqueness rule and add a mechanic that adds the uniqueness rule for mechanical reasons.
>>94334801You can try asking on Marks blog to get the original article.
I really want to install xmage and play but I think I hate every format right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V36tcM6X-DIRemember when gameplay had back and forth and was skill based?
sexy bald angels are back (and sexier than ever)
>>94335618>sexy bald
>>94332682Only when you start posting decklists and battle reports instead of lazy "cum join our gangbang, heres a pic of one card" bullshit.You wanna return to the good times, you better do it fully, you fruit. Commit to it or get out and buy an ad
>>94334034if my deck is my mind then why is it called a library
>>94335815your mind is a library of thoughts and memories
>>94335820ive watched a lot of ted talks and they said i had a mind palace
>>94335831...ok?
>>94335831you didn't read enough books from the mind library so you only got a mind shack
>>94335837screw this mani'm gonna have my mind mexicans demolish the mind library and we're gonna have a mind tennis court instead
>>94331997what have they done to reanimator ;_;
They made Ocelot Pride. Like, a 1 cmc white card with multiple upsides. I'm surprised it doesn't have flash.
>>94335870guide of souls is what enables it to be completely honest, I'm not afraid of a 1/1 first stiker that needs to attack to generate bodies, thank god guide of souls should get banned alongside the ring in december
>>94335870Modern was dead to me the second I saw Dauthi Voidwalker. 3/2 shadow in a format where nothing anyone plays has shadow is absurd on its own. The rest of the card could be blank and I'd still hate it. Worst part is that it's probably an irrelevant card at this point.
>>94335815Because it can be both. Some wizards cast from their memory. Some carry with them a spellbook with their favourite spells. Some don't leave their tower surrounded by heaps of ancient scrolls.
>>94333259It only triggers off of your creatures, so it's balanced :^)
>>94333621I suggest you git gud at the game if you need it smoothed. People played for decades without MDFC with lands on the ass side just fine, so your desire for them is a skill issue.
>>94333609The game wasn't boring before FIRE or other ways to push design so it doesn't need 2 draws per turn, stop being a shitter
>>94333259>that no one else can interact with.Solemnity? Suncleanser? Price of Betrayal? Etched Slith?
>>94333744Boomers not having control of themselves is why they shit all over the world.
>>943339497 forest BelcherMDFC BelcherOne Land Spy/No Land Spy/Oops, all spells!
>>94333711My dad needs glasses to read anything but he refuses to wear them due to ego reasons, even though he looks way sillier holding things two feet away from himself to read them.
>>94334157I only see "please play our format :(" posting and not decklists or game reports like Modern, Pauper, or even draft used to get in this threadUntil people start enjoying formats enough to want to share that enjoyment with others, there won't be a good format.
>>94335997so... what are you asking for? do you want us to pretend to enjoy shitty formats?
>>94335966people lost games for decades without mdfcs is what you meant to write, yes
>>94336002So you're admitting that premodern is a shitty format and you don't enjoy it?
>>94336070No? I haven't played it. Are you intentionally confusing me with someone else?
>>94336056Only if you got greedy and either didn't have enough lands in the deck, had too many lands, or had too many colors.Stop being a greedy piece of shit.
>>94336056Magic is a game where one player wins and the other player loses. No matter how often people get mana screwed, the total number of wins in two player games should equal the total number of losses. It's not possible for players as a whole to start winning more often or less often. Your understanding of this implies that you are severely retarded and perhaps self-centered to a point that is detrimental to your perception of how reality works.
>>94336190just because there has to be a loser doesn't mean it has to be due to mana fuck. not all bads are rated equal. but then again, you might not see the difference of drawing the wrong spell vs drawing a land, they both lose you the game so they are equally bad, right?
This is why everything needs cycling
Timebomb X -- If this spell resolves (or if you play this land) you lose the game in X turns.Print all of the RL with timebomb 99.Problem, """investors"""?
>>94336266yeah
>>94336213>just because there has to be a loser doesn't mean it has to be due to mana fuckFactual statement, however you're trying to draw attention away from the utter retardation of what you said earlier.This kind gentleman said:>People played for decades without MDFC with lands on the ass side just fine, so your desire for them is a skill issue.And you responded with:>people lost games for decades without mdfcs is what you meant to write, yesImplying that you thought that winning the game was impossible due to the possibility of mana screw, even though there is inherently one winner for every loss, including mana screw induced losses.
>>94335127What's he up to nowadays, living like a hermit in wilderness?
>>94334895Strixhaven spoiler season was fun.
>>94334867>I begin the game with leyline of resonance
>>94336567>>94336567>>94336567
>>94336463if you get land fucked you don't win, simple as
