Party Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, 'woke' culture war, or discord shit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo dieselpunk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc>Trench CompendiumCompendium: https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/Feedback Form: https://forms.gle/k44MxmJxWu3upDHT8>Previous thread:>>94367859
WIP Armoured Train Scenario Rules WIP from Tuomas, also added to the Playtest Scenario folder in the Mega.
I will fight you HERETICS
third for trench pilgrims
>>94383170At least post the more recent, scale enhanced version of the Anchorite.
>>94383246I really don't like the canon depicition of Sin Eaters. Their gnashing teeth being cut out of a circular helmet is cool but the body and the rest of the design is very weak to me. I massive nipple rings is also just bizzare to me and not cool, and more naturalistic armour deisgn of an obese man like Smough would suit better
>>94383158stop avatarfagging hans
the war should "end" with trinity destroying the hell gate
>>94383590>Game just kickstarted>"They should end the game this way"Very cool take, anon.
>>94381624I suspect that they will wait for a specific modern event to end before adding a Russian faction/subfaction. Which would be unfortunate but reasonable.
Very much considering running a shit load of Pilgrims with Capirotes, flamethrowers and nothing else.
>>94383521thats not avatarfaggot you idiot
>>94383590trinity? they got assassinated by death commandos
>>94383510the sin eater design, this guy from berserk. Also the TP icon and the anchorite is Berserk inspired.
>>94383084Armoured Train Scenario has been updated with fixes. Updated in Mega too.
Anyone know how tall the official yoke fiend is?
>>94383746Not as tall as me.
>>94383746Looking slightly taller than a regular 28mm dude. 32mm-ish. But much stockier, plumper even.
>>94383654Both Smough and the Sin Eater were based on that Berserk guys armour. I just think Sins eaters design falls apart after the helmet design which is quiet good
When are we going to get some demon bitches?Where’s the designated gooner faction?
>>94383972I think it got too popular to get coom content sadly. Luckily though you can make your own just fine.
I hope as the game goes on there will be some factions with a bit more personality to them like the Orks. You can be grimdark and a lil funny. You can have some Levity guys its what keeps it interesting.
>>94384041I think the game is filled with funny stuff. Like the sniper priests who blind themselves and let faith guide their bullets.
>>94384041theyre definitely not adding any "traditional" fantasy races, but its possible they might add some sort of stand in factions, like they are with the vampires (mainly thinking they could have a faction of lithe augmented humans for an elf stand in, but obviously something that would fit more for the setting)
>>94384041Why would there be orcs on Earth fighting judeo-christian demons? Or do you just mean the scrappy aesthetic and fun loving brutes committing atrocities?
>>94384041Sounds cringe. Not everything needs fantasy/40k races.
>>94384123Its not so much that im begging for some fantasy races just some Factions with some humor to them, rn TC feels just too grimdark and not in a depressing way more like a try hard way. Still an excellent setting and world design dont get me wrong but I hope over time they have some fun with it.
>>94384164Disagree, I think the setting is refreshing because it feels like it takes itself seriously. Too many settings try and act self aware to ease people into the themes rather than just embracing them. That being said though, you could easily add humour on your own to TC. The Pilgrims are goofy as fuck
>>94384041why does literally every setting especially settings presented as adult attract you reddit fucks demanding they all need to be turned into deadpool
>>94384164I mean there are some baked in humorous elements of course, things like the fucking Wheel is pretty funny in context>Yeah You, Prisoner, get on the fucking wheel so I use you as a holy shield But theres not really any Levity in the setting, I mean I would say its funny the lengths the Church groups go to get holy artifacts is a lil funny but unlike the Imperium their god and faith is 100% legit and does indeed fuel them. Currently it feels like if every faction is the Krieg, cool and grimdark but zero personality to it outside what you make for them. Of course its still early stages im sure as the setting settles they will eventually add some less serious elements to it.
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>>94383067How are these lightning mages for being artillery witch proxies? I've found nuke model STLs so I can probably edit them to be attached to the lightning mage mini I'm proxying for TC.
>>94384201theres things that are inadvertently funny or so left field they are funny. like reading the timeline and it says >space programOr >Sniper priests are blind and legends says that one actually managed to hit a targetAnchorite shrine rules and lore is just retarded though>puny man somehow shields a giant mech.
>>94384297Wonder how those Space Dudes are feeling right about nowDoes Hell reach into space? Or are the ones in space looking at earth like picrel
>>94384314https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4-GcS1UQyg
>>94384201but the Imperium's god and faith are legit. And in TC theres subtle implications that God and the faith might be not legit.
>>94384314It's potentially worse than earth. The Covenant of Hell stops full demons/rebel seraphim from stepping onto the mortal realm. That includes earth, but might not include space since mortals do not live there and cannot natively. At the very least, since the Church is up there, I would not be surprised if there aren't Heretic forces up there in some capacity.
>>94384471Not sure bout that but at least theres no muslims up there. They don't believe in space travel.
>>94384487I don't think they have the resource capacity within their iron walls to match that which the church can draw upon to set up a space program regardless.
>>94383067I enjoy looking at Trench Crusade art but I don't feel like I want to see or can suspend disbelief to believe a whole world based around it.
So which faction is the most popular and which is the least? I love playing special snowflake shit.My assumption is Sultinate is least popular and Tench Pilgrims are the most popular. But maybe grimdark settings attract people who would go all in on one of the hell factions.
>>94384935I've seen a lot of Court purchasers, but that's probably because they have the best models. Strangely I haven't seen many people say they are going to play NA.
>>94384935grail is probably the least popular, i think its just so gross it scares people. Despite it being overall pretty cool as a theme
>>94384935Judging by the official server, New Antioch is the most popular, and least popular is Black Grail, beating out the Court by 1.
>>94384968>>94385139I can get it. Plague factions are always my go to, I love how they play in games where it's usually slow, tanky and the longer you're near them, the worse the situation gets for you. Like Nurgle blood bowl is some of the most fun I've had. But the Black Grail minis are just unappealing. There's no separation between layers of texture. It's just loads of detail on a single layer of flesh amalgamation, which works great as gross art, but in terms of painting, it's gonna be ugly as shit unless you're really good.
>>94385166New to painting but I'm guess it depends a lot on the finish for the model? Like I can imagine looking slimy is a big part of it.
>>94385139I’m surprised by that. While well designed, Antioch is kind of generic, insofar as that they’re kind of just armour guys with guns.I figured either the Trench Pilgrims or Iron Sultanate would be first, since they’re arguably the most distinctive faction aesthetics.Is it to do with actual competitive viability?
>>94385239No it's more about colour separation. With model painting, clear divides between layers and textures on a model is very important. So like I can see where this leather tunic ends and this plate armour begins. You can even see if with GW's nurgle stuff. There's a very clear separation of texture to show where a wound or boil starts on the skin, so it's very easy to paint. The grail minis, from what I've seen (and I could be wrong because the pictures are small) are all very unintelligible in terms of texture. They are mostly naked so it's all skin, and there's lots of different colour under the surface of the skin.Let's use this art of the herald as an example. It's completely naked so it's all one layer of skin. But in that single layer there's blue, yellow, green, red, brown and more. You're essentially going to need to tackle painting this like you're painting an actual painting with nothing to really guide you on the plastic.TLDR even if you don't actively realise, people look at the minis and think "fuck painting that".
>>94384314If rocket technology is that advanced, I wonder why isn't levant bombarded with missiles every day. Other than that isn't really part of the aesthetic.
>>94385356its more the other way around, Hell is sort of implied to have nukes and they can infinitely make them.Both sides must have warding magic/technology that stops bullshit like infinite nuke spam.
Listening to an interview with the guys, they said that as soon as they get the money from kickstarter, they are hoping to get the STLs out to people within a month of that. So that should pretty much be a month from now or a month from when the pledge manager closes.
>>94385376True, but I don't think pious nations have any other method to touch vicinity of the hellgate, other than using artillery and missiles. Since soldiers get burned if they go close.
>>94385240I figured it was cause they feel the most like "the good guy faction" and feel the most connected to actual history, but yeah I haven't heard much from the competitive side either.
>>94385434they got paladins and spies
I missed the pledge thing by 6 hours am I fucked? Really wanted to get trench pilgrims.
>>94385547How'd you manage that, it was up for like 2 weeks. I know you can add stuff in the pledge manager, but not sure you can make a new pledge. We'll find out when that goes live. If not, don't worry, you can just buy the STLs when they go up on my mini factory or the physicals when they go on only games.
>>94385547usually KSers have a late pledge thing
>>94383510Would the sin eater look better if the ring was instead impaling him thru the guts with a chain attached to the ring? That way it represents the sin eater being controlled and lead by its hungers and vices.
>>94385547You're only fucked in that whatever version of the book us backers are getting, you won't. That and all the STL's/physical orders might be a little more expensive but otherwise you haven't missed anything. Just wait for them to release the STLs at minimum in like a months time or so if you want to give the folks cash for their work.
>>94385558I didn't find out about it until the last few days and I had things to pay off, then I mis calculated the hours I had left. No big deal I still have alot of Warhammer I'm painting.
who else just put a cheeky 5er on it
>>94383626But Russia has always been a savage land of rapists and thieves pretending to be an empire. Even when they claimed to be a workers utopia. They have always been a land of the strong ruling over the weak with brutality and fear. The weak and helpless are slaves and serf and the strong are lords and masters. That is Russia and it has always been that way.
>>94384216you didn't ask for fun, you asked for your own version of comedy that clashes with the setting and makes it more unfun who don't like it.
>>94383626I doubt it. Current events are probably not relevant since the factions don't represent their real world current counter parts. They just gotta have it make sense and feel good and I'm sure we'll get it, regardless of whatever those people are up to.
>>94385376The forces of Hell vaporised Antioch and spent 50 years fighting in the ruins and for some reason never used that weapon again. The pious still don't know what that weapon was even now since they refer to it as a mysterious weapon, so I don't think they can *stop* them from doing it again since they don't know how they did it the first time. They might be able to predict it use via the syond though.>>94385434Seems to me like the real grimdark relisations of the setting is that Hell has already 'won' and is just enjoying the very very slow losing stalement for the pious. If Hell united New Antioch would be destoryed so they're strong enough to breach any foritfication if they wanted to. The forces of hell have gone into space to me seems like they are seeking for new places to fight the enemy and have fun.Trench Crusade is only a stalemate because the forces of Hell want it to be, the united forces of the poius can't defeat them or get close to the Gate, while the forces of hell if they united would destory them, even without true demons to lead the hordes of heretics
>>94384216sorry bro im gonna have to gatekeep you quite HARD. Please put your penor inbetween the gate as i slam it shut
>>94385598Hell is held back from overrunning reality by the threat of Heaven getting directly involved. Even with the only faint signs of divine intervention, it's been stalemated.Angels coming down would surely end the war - but nobody would be around to benefit from it.
>>94385598its more damning that if hell can make nukes, three bits of lore support:They nuked AntiochThey build special bombs in hell mixed with sorcery, implied to be active nuke developmentArtillery witches can summon infinite bombs from hellSo the Faithful must have an Observer anti-missile defence shield
>>94385598woah woah where is hell in space? you are getting carried away with fanonwe only know the church is in space.
>>94385562That could be cool yeah! I think what I really hate is that the mouth iimplies this ravenous being but they give him these rounded armoured gauntlets that prevent any dexterity. He really should be able to have the fine motor skills to grab onto and tear flesh and be able to put chunks of meat in his mouth, since hes carved a window in the helmet so the mouth is always exposed. The idea of being led by a chain that symbolises his enslavement to his sin is pretty cool though! better than the unused nipple rings that do nothing
>>94384909If you can not believe that our world and its history is real than you got a problem. Really the only unbelievable thing in the setting is that everything in the Bible is real and all the problems for the world that brings.
>>94385610I suppose you're right. The church space program could just be for spy satellites. I was simply building off of this anon>>94384471But yeah its fanon for how little we know atm. Sorry about that anon. doubt it will get touched on too much since that ruins the WW1 vibes the setting is all about
>>94385598You know, people say angels are like "nukes" and I don't know what the source of that is but if it's a thing where they are that dangerous I wouldn't be surprised if it actually wasn't a weapon that destroyed Antioch but the arrival of an angel because a full blooded devil set foot upon the land breaking the covenant. That's why they have never done it again.
>>94385655nah, funny i haven't seen the angel nukes thing, seems like fanon.We have one mention of God destroying Argos.We have lore that heavily implies a radiation weapon was used on Antioch.So far the only thing ive seen that supports Angels and what they do is the little concept art picture that implies Angels cause people to go insane and they captured one.
>>94385614Well if he does not need that huge war hammer to work for you how about a sin eater that has replaced his hands with sharpened scoops for hands. That the sin eater uses to scoop up and eat everything on the battlefield. It may lose its counter heavy armor hitting power but it may gain an increase in anti infantry ability with its new weapons. And hell if you want to get silly with it the sin eater can have a scoop for one hand and a sharp fork for its other hand. That way it has the full gluttony theme down pat. Make him a full on forbidden foodie.
>>94385662Na they didn't capture one. That art is just what a crazy person drew after seeing one. Where was there mention of radiation? I've read everything in the lore primer and the core rule book. All we know is Antioch was reduced to dust.
>>94385662Well at the end of the anime devil man crybaby god sends his angels down to earth to wipe it clean of life after Satan killed the last free humans. And the angels look like nukes falling to earth from space right before they wipe everything out. So maybe that is what everyone is thinking about when they say angels are nukes?
>>94385673>"lethal demonic essence emanating from the crater"
>>94385708Well fuck
They got way to far away from anything resembling ww1 now. I'm out. Just generic sci fi edgy slop now.
i swear there was a lore section on the artillery witch
>>94385240Its like how humans are the most played race in any setting with multiple races. You can better enter a world from the perspective of what is consdiered "normal".Stuff like TP are madmen, which isnt broadly appealling, IS are arabs, its like in historicals, everyone wants to play the crusades, few actually wants to play the muslims. I think theyre really cool here though so maybe that will change.. NA is a great entry point for good guys compared to the others, theres not a lot of wierd models to have to account for. Like I was able to make some stuff with just bits I had lying around, I dont even intend to play them but can make a warband. Im seriously considering pic related for mechanized infantry just to have an excuse to have them now.
>>94385765Wheres the sci fi stuff?
>>94385831Don't engage. He just wants (you)'s.
>>94385240new antioch is just VERY easy to convert anything for and has quite a few different themes.Its mainly the easy of conversion though, so people have put together NA warbands with a few ww1 infantry sprues and like 1 medieval set of heads
>>94384041I doubt that will happen. Tuomas Pirinen left out greenskin from Mordheim specifically because they were goofier.
Converting skaven to be WW1 style - based or cringe for trench crusade?
>>94385961As long as you like it and your fellow players aren't bothered, go for it. It's only cringe if you're a bitch trying to somehow upset people but I can't see how you'd do that.
>>94385961Rats could be a neat theme actually. Make them black grail and you have stuff to work with immediately that is appropriate>hounds could just be a swarm of actual rats. Since the rules have no weapons you dont have to worry about that, they move really fast and inflect bleed and infection markers>thralls are just larger rats or skaven slaves, also cant have weapons, but have the ability to deal more melee attacks the more of them of this unit are nearby, so your core infantry rely on swarm tacticsThen make everything else different flavours of skaven proper. Sick.
>>94385708Also a fun thing related to that is the demonic grenades you can buy>It is theorised that this horrific grenade is based on the same technology as the demon weapon that destroyed the original city of Antioch. Its explosion seems to cause no physical damage, but emits an eerie, bright green light which causes rapid but painful death to those within its reach, and armour offers no protection to its withering effects. Why it is not used by the heretics in greater numbers remains a mysteryThese grenades gameplay-wise not only ignore armor (although not sufficiently demonic/blessed armor) but also ignore all terrain. You can throw them outside a house and kill someone on the other side of a wall.But that last line implies there's a reason hell does not use them en masse. Not sure if it's purely a radiation or radiation-like thing. More confusing with Antioch being a crater, while these 'cause no physical damage'.>>94385831Nothing yet aside from the church having a space program. Creator is spitballing medieval astronaut designs on his twitter though. Wouldn't be too surprised if a future faction or campaign book is somehow related to that, he intentionally left the door open at least.
>>94386085they are neutron grenades
>>94385598The way I read it, it implied that while a united hell could destroy New Antioch, their nature makes it very unlikely they will unite.The seven headed serpent is in constant conflict with itself, both with the separate sins fighting one another for dominance, and demons within the sins fighting to become the leader.The heretics also seem to focus on a single sin (The greed guys, for example), so they would fight one another, possibly even for things like resources or loot.The Black Grail also seems to be pretty apathetic as to who they infect, so long as someone is being infected. This undoubtedly puts them at odds with the Heretics, who are quite infectable.The faithful, meanwhile, while far from friendly, do not engage in large-scale warfare with one another, and thus can direct the entirety of their attention to Hell.
>>94386043sounds awesome
>>94386043You could make an amalgam by super-gluing like fifteen rat models together
>>94386085Have another thing from his twitter>>94385961Sounds dope to me, I'd only raise an eyebrow if it were one of the good factions.
The FB group was fairly decent, but this last week it has been like the floodgates have been open and it's filling up with shit.I have lost count of people wanting vikings, United States, atheist factions. Why can't you just assume that your favorite trope is NOT in this game and does NOT fit the setting? >>94385961Perhaps suitable for the Black Plague faction.
>>94386149>United StatesWhy would they not just play NA? Mike said in an interview that their aesthetic is basically the a Sherman combined with knight armour. He wants to design an M8 for them as well when they eventually expand the scale and add vehicles.
>>94386149In fairness, an atheist faction who are so stubborn and skeptical that they cancel out all supernatural effects (Heavenly or demonic) just by denying them really, really hard would be pretty funny in a setting where the divine is explicitly real.
>>94386149the worst one is the faggots who started circlejerking over "no colonialism" and started demanding le Aztecs and native americans and other totally unrelated groups be thrown into the game.They did that with Diablo 4 lmao. Wanting Aztecs in every thing is a meme now
>>94386181so tau
>>94386181Wouldn't make sense in a setting where christianity was proven right at its peak. How do you deny something that's right in front of you?
>>94386195by being a commie
>>94386149this is the tourist phenomenon
>>94386173i thought New Antioch was kinda supposed to be a joke because its NA - North America.Also IS... yeah you get it
>>94386129ratking!
>>94386195They aren't denying these things exist. They are in a two-front battle for their very existence after, all, and have killed a score of strange creatures.They just think there's a perfectly rational explanation for it all, which has nothing to do with those ridiculous, antiquated superstitions. Granted, they might not have an explanation for everything just yet - those chaps who can run around while their own severed heads keep talking are quite a puzzle - but they will eventually. There is nothing that science, reason, and education can't uncover, after all.That, and their anti-magic field tends to stop a lot of the more unusual things from happening near them.Granted, some of their number come back from long range expeditions into contested territory with troubled expressions and puzzling stories, but these are conveniently kept from public knowledge, and their witnesses treated to the most modern electrotherapy techniques to ensure they realise that they didn't actually see what they thought they did, no matter how hard they insist they did.
>>94386183Yeah just because the writer said no colonialism as we know it eg no USA. Doesn't mean America wasn't colonised another way.Maybe by an insane conquistador inquisitor faction, that does 24/7 witch burnings.
>>94383170Can't wait. I'm going to do a list heavy in Stigmatic Nuns and Anchorites.
>>94386229the church already employs scientists. see>>94384422Its a field bio research unit, that takes demonic specimens from the battlefield to analyse them
>>94386173They want confederates... in a setting where the Americas weren't colonized, and the most interaction so far is the Spanish trading with them.
>>94386238we dont know america wasnt colonised. The writers comment leaves it up for interpretation.
>>94386244>we dont know america wasnt colonisedIt's literally stated in the lore.
>>94386238I see the vision of grimdark mormons
>>94386248no it isn't, Here we go again. There was an argument about this in another TC community.It hasnt been stated anywhere.The writer supposedly said something on discord or somewhere. like colonialism as we know it never happened theres no USA or modern nations.This doesn't exclude colonialism happening a completely different way like >>94386230
>>94384191I have to agree with this anon. It's literally Hell and trench warfare. It's not fun or goofy. That's not the point.
>>94386238you have to remember that the majority of americans are actual brain amputees
>>94386258I'm sure I've read it stated as fact in some of the official stuff. Let me see if I can find it.
>>94386183It actually makes sense as the game develops further. Perhaps the Americas were far less affected than the old world, and so had time to catch up in technology. An Iroquois Zeppelin Riders faction or some Technomexica could be fun.
>>94386279Do find it because i asked multiple people claiming it on another site and none of them could provide the source
>>94386149Yea I fear they would start listening to this sort of shit. Figure out how to make that work for your own models, dont ask the setting to bend to introduce that dumb shit.>want vikingsJust give your guys lots of axes, even as bayonets, and wear pelts over their uniforms, horned helmets and big beards and you focus on melee, just slap this onto NA or HL, whatever feels most appropriate. Get creative for christ sake, stop just asking for more model ranges at the cost of the settings coherency.
>>94386252But the mormons are a byproduct of the US. No US, no mormons, the world is a better place (even with the hell legions).
>>94386284It loterally makes no fucking sense. Why would native americans be developed completely isolated? they were basically primitive when euros found them with guns. But more importantly whats the link to the main theme of the setting a judeo-christian religious war against hell.Like it makes not one fucking bit of sense
>>94384909It's not a whole world based around it. It's a battlefield somewhere taking up most of the near east. There's elements of Hell that occasionally attack outside there, but it's pretty well contained. The bizarre crazy shit is happening in the Near East and New Antioch is the gate so to speak. Nations literally tithe to New Antioch so Hell isn't bothering them in their homelands. I imagine life would be relatively normal the farther you get from the clusterfuck.
>>94386284kululkani are one of the best examples of literally why add this shit.Dark Age was also ironically a bible themed setting with a near contained universe>ahhh lets add ancient aztec aliens
>>94386292they already got Varangians coming. They are basically vikings but cooler
>>94386294The link is that they exist on Earth and so if there is a worldwide invasion, they will too be affected.Technology does not follow a linear development. There are peaks and troughs. For 800 years the Romans had essentially swords, shields and different kinds of metal armour. Obviously being refined and adapted, but compared to the speed of modern development it would seem stagnant.In TC, the gates of Hell open almost 400 years before Columbus landed. Perhaps Europe and Asia grew stagnant, their resources spent in the war. Perhaps there were helspawn attacking the Americas and this proved a source of rapid military development. Perhaps they see these hellish forces as a direct contradiction to their myths and so they cast down their gods, trying to instead enslave these powerful demons. Perhaps they just suddenly started to have a bigger interest in metalworking. The reasons are endless.
>>94386229The problem with atheism in this is the church operates the new science in this setting, there is no question of the afterlife and the spirit world, the setting establishes that the spirit world is real and to be studied, that is the science and debate of the setting, not weither its all real or not, but actually understanding what it is. Atheism has no place in this setting because you cant just not believe in these things when they are very real here. The afterlife and religion is the thing you educate on and want to understand in this setting.Like possession isnt something you treat with meds and a tard wrangler in this, where we moved past religious superstition and understand that its just mental illness and some guy throwing holy water and saying lines from a book does nothing, you actually have to call a priest, which would be hte equivelent of a spiritual doctor or scientist now, becuase there is an actual demon that intends to take that person to a very real hell and that priest will have knowledge on how to prevent that.
>>94385281I think these kinds of models are good for the marco frisoni airbrush layers/oil wash/acrylic brush painting style that let you put a bunch of different stuff on the model, tint and blend and then add pointed highlights where you want to draw attention
>>94386329So far the lore suggests the war in localised to the middle east and parts of europe.The heretics only relatively recently broke out to the atlantic, they are semi-contained.the issue is thematically it makes no sense for some isolated native american tribe to be fighting judeo-christian satanism.Wheres the relevance to them? its simply>ugh we are being attacked>ugh we are attacking themTheres no cultural continuity Your views on technology evolution being linear are bs
>>94386329you are arguing technology is linear you muppet.
>>94386329theres no evidence hell went past europe to attack america lmfao, absolute fanon
>>94386341Where is the relevance to the European nations?>ugh we are being attacked>ugh we are attacking themWhere is the relevance to the muslims?>ugh we are being attacked>ugh we are attacking themThe Americas have been trading with Europe, so it would be expected to see some technology transfer... as well as the fact that they literally had 400 years more to develop, without the old world illnesses ravaging the population. If you can't come up with explanations for a powerful native faction with that, you are braindead.>>94386348I am not, you muppet.
>>94386229I dunno I think going full atheist would be a mistake here, denying that the force behind the forces of good is really big G would make more sense to meLike looking at the trench pilgrims who are inspired by divine visions or whatever to hop onto an Anchorite's wheel and going "Yeah that ain't my God"Maybe even the Jews could be that faction, since they presumably wouldn't believe in Christ and would find the meta-christs very... something. Although we already have a variant for Pilgrims that is somewhat like that.
>>94386318Neat, if theyre doing Constantinople they have an entry point for a sort of Rome themed faction. Like I could see Varangians just being the NA shocktroopers with a different look and the infantry having a special faction trait to use some shields with their bolt actions/bayonets.
>>94386286Looks like you were right, I can't find anything. I swear I read it as a statement of fact in the lore primer or one of the other documents. I must have seen it somewhere else and got my wires crossed.
>>94386365jfc you are retarded. I wasn't sure but this post proves it.Anon, Europe in the setting is Christian. They also started the entire chain of events that led to hell invading.The Sultanate is in the epicentre of the hell territory and are also culture connected to Abrahamic folklore.Embarassing post
>>94386357We know they currently have taken Gibraltar, and we know at one point in the past there was the Battle of Cordoba, which would suggest temporary control of the southern Iberian Peninsula, and hence free passage into the Atlantic. We do not know whether something sneaked out in that moment.>>94386304Dark Age was bible themed only if you never bothered to read the books. Just because there are characters named "saint" it doesn't mean it's all christianism. Git gud lorelet.
>>94386365you are literally trying to argue native Americans would have linearly progressed in technology until they were as advanced as the other factions for no fucking reason but time progressing linearly
>>94386379Lmao what? you never read the fucking lore of the Dark Age setting.Its quite literally based on the bible, as in a colony on another world used the bible as the basis of their entire society. idiot
>>94386376I know the faith angle, but the main reason anyone goes to war is >the baddies want to slaughter usWhich is a fairly good reason, and applies to any culture and faith.
>>94386339And what I'm saying isn't that they are actually capable of scientifically deducting an explanation for the setting, and that heaven and hell might just be some natural phenomena - the setting is excruciatingly clear on this matter.I'm saying that they are inherently incorrect in believing that everything is scientific, but, due to their immense stubbornness, they refuse to believe in anything beyond their worldview in spite of the evidence to the contrary, sort of like reverse-creationists.
>>94386365>Where is the relevance to the muslims?Ye gods you're dense.
>>94386379Dark Age was a post apocalyptic world where they found a bible. Then named everything after it. Like the world is called Samaria.Then the church in the one human city even went so far as to recreate the saints in Christianity. To legitimise their religion.
>>94386382No, I am arguing that perhaps in 1520 the mexica were as backwards as in our history, but perhaps in 1750 some cool priest decides to try steam for enhanced sacrifices and they end up with a steam engine, bypassing centuries of metalworking development.>>94386383>Skarrd>Kukulkani>Dragyri>OutcastsHalf the factions, so much bible, wow.
>>94386357One of the NA factions says there's Hell submarines raiding Scotland, for what that's worth.
>>94386382NTA, but I'm pretty sure that in the lore, the angels sometimes give people dreams on how to make technology, allowing them to keep up with the Heretic forces, which is why the setting has bizarrely advanced anachronistic technology in certain respects.If the Americas were invaded by the Heretic fleet, thus allowing the forces of Hell to encircle the nations of Christianity, it could be possible that the angels would try and give the native Americans a fighting chance, and tell them the secrets of machinery.Granted, I don't see how you fit a non-abrahamic religion faction into a setting which is very, very much so Abrahamic, but I digress.
>>94386419yeah we know they took Gibraltar and have been raiding as far as ireland because of that.
>>94386412>I have no idea what I am talking about: the post.
>>94386436I really don't know where the non binary ecofriendly womyn angle came from. I was talking about steam engines being used for human sacrifices.Either you don't know how to dispute that, or you have some issues mate.
I personally want them to add Buddhism and eastern Buddhism demonology but I see no way of doing that with the current lore.They'd have to add to the lore there was like a second Hell gate opening event.
>>94386470Keep asiashit away please, it ruins the cool aesthetic.
>>94386487sultanate is asia
>>94386390Sure, you could do that, my argument would be that they shouldnt. If a faction is able to conclude that they are not infact demons, but just aliens or something less spiritual, that taints the setting.>theyre just aliens guys, we should open a dialogue, the religions taught you wrong, they dont want to just murderfuck all creation they just want some food and a place to liveHow about this; If aetheists exist in this setting they are considered pariahs for thinking themselves above religion and if they arent following god that means satan can enter their life because their soul is not tempered by faith. This faction is defintively wrong in their non belief and are converted easily and considered prime pickings for possessions and demons.
>>94384297>puny man somehow shields a giant mech.You're such a fucking hylic it's not even funny.
>>94385598>setting is that Hell has already 'won'Heretic demoralization. God will win in the end, as he will judge everyone. Repent while you still can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj2vU2nr5Jw
>>94386370Vatican has its own force. But nothing stops you homebrewing a ancient roman warband, heretic or pious.Actually legion worshipping Pan, which is actually just Baphometh would be neat.
>>94386558I see your reasoning.Here's an idea.To fight against the overwhelming power of, the atheists employ the use of dieselpunk robotics.They mechanically augment their bodies, marring the human form god gave them into formidable weapons, and create ferocious automatons, each the match of any Anchorite or Amalagamate.These robots are powered by artificial intelligence they do not entirely understand, which is 100% totally not demons using a loophole to gain a physical form (Because demons don't exist, of course). While they can act -ah- eccentric at times, this is but the product of faulty programming, nothing more. The same way the voices, impulses, and hallucinations the heavily augmented experience are simply a result of the strain on their nervous systems.In the depths of their greatest workshop, they work tirelessly on their ultimate creation, a triumph of human ingenuity and determination, and nothing else whatsoever. A weapon so singular in its power it could destroy New Antioch with ease. A machine body fit for a god - or a demon. But, of course, to only ever be used by man.
>>94386733Just atheists in an overtly religious setting, where there's tangible proof of the divine, is really, really fucking gay. It sounds like the ultimate Reddit wanker army. I could see Apatheists and that could be cool, and humanist first faction despite the disadvantage, but atheists in this setting is retarded.
>>94386745i agree but id like to see commies in the setting getting ass raped by demons.Because its what they deserve
>>94386757goonhammer did an interview with the creators.That website is way too political
>there are no good guys in this settingwhy do redditors say this about every setting.
>>94386745But consider, what if there is no god in TC>then there are gnosticsbut what if theres no demiurge eitherThey'd be atheist.
>>94386802We know God is a present force in trench crusade. We have people that talk directly to him (and get good advice), we have meta Christs with divine power.Fuck off trying to shit up the setting. The premise is basic. Christian God vs. Hell. That's it.
>>94386836theres no proof God is actually the God. Its nothing about fucking up the setting>the premiseis trench crusades. Not Christian god vs hell.
>>94386252>>94386293>A Native American faction is introduced.>They're Mormons.>It turns out that a mad prophet from Europe sailed across the sea bringing his own brand of faith to the Natives.>This allowed them to unite and fight against the demon hordes.>Now they charge into battle wearing nothing but blessed undergarments hoping to liberate women from the cursed lands to join their harems.
>>94386757Atheists in this setting is fucking retarded and reeks of fedoras and contrarianism. Likewise having vikings other than varangians, when the viking age "ends" with the death of Hadrada in 1066, 30 years before the gate of Hell is opened. However, native americans being some interesting faction, when they have had centuries to develop while trading with the Spanish outposts, and the heretics roam the Atlantic, is another.
>>94386869you mean by Templars that existed 20 years before they were founded
>>94386879Fair. However if you have religious orders being founded earlier than in our timeline, it stands to reason that christendom grew faster than in our timeline, and so the nordics would have been converted earlier.
>>94386836All the lore shown so far portrays the setting as mortals vs paranormal hell.God/heaven/Angels are practically at best neutral at worst hostile to mortals.
>>94386889vikings is a bullshit term anyway. People think vikings is this super specific reference to this group in a super specific time.When there were groups practically identical to them hundreds of years earlier and after.
>>94386836You know who also appears to look like God, herds the flock and gives seemingly good advice? The Antichrist.
>>94386895and i forgot to add. So far the connection to God that mortals have, is practically them listening in on "God" using occult science.Its not really God bestowing boons, miracles etc. Its almost as if the faithful are leeching off a cosmic force they dont understand.
>>94386836so far the two forms of "talking to god" ive read are1) you have god inanely screaming in your ear 24/7 and you need to use sedatives to sleep2) they mentally physically and genetically modify children to tune into god, which is horrific, and they still need a machine mounted on them to complete the tuning.
>>94386905wouldnt the anti-christ be on the heretics team
>>94386919>childrenThat art was metal.I wonder what happens to those children when they stop being children though.
>>94386941they probably dont. They are permanently that way until they die.
>>94386238>America wasn't colonised the way it was irl>Theres a small british colony in North America in New England>HP Lovecraft exists in Trench Crusade>He's a prophet of the Church of Metamorphosis>He is spreading his cult throughout the IS via his friend and cult member, the mad arab Abdul Alhazred Could be cool desu
>>94386935Anti-christ is a devious one, he doesn't want to openly oppose, but rather to trick and mislead.
>>94386919There's also synod of strategic prophecy, which tries to contact saints who give messages from God. This is done with humans sacrificing themselves to recieve the message.
>>94386962kinda pointless at this point in time since hell is here right now.He'd be leading the heretics as a dark messiah.
>>94386941>>94386948>they probably dont. They are permanently that way until they die.Funny way of phrasing that they die as children, I can'tfind the art of that bleeding kid anywhere can someone post it
>>94386960Lovecraft as a prophet is a cool idea anon, but I see some issues:-the colonies wouldn't be British, since Britain never unified. Without the Americas to bankrupt them, the Scottish remained separate from England, and in fact they suffer more naval attacks since the English fleet only protects England. So probably they aren't in the best of terms. If they existed, they would be English. -In 1666 the heretics take Gibraltar and syart raiding the Atlantic, and seeing as England can barely keep itself safe, I wouldn't put much stock in American colonies being supported enough to prosper.-Also, in TC there never was a Reformation, so there might be a lack of religious tension forcing those pilgrims to the Americas.-Also I have a hard time believing that the Spanish, who IRL conquered most of America with just a couple thousand people, only have commercial outposts, and England manages to develop colonies.They do mention that in 1907 the naval fortress Britannia sets sail, so perhaps this allows for a small breather in the Atlantic and it is now, in the 20th century, when England tries to colonize North America.
>>94387045Alright I've thought of a brilliant solution>HP Lovecraft is in Trench Crusade>But hes from OLD England instead on New EnglandPhew I burnt out three Tacticians from the Synod of Strategic Prophecy to commune with the saints to thread this needle.
>>94387065You are so terribly smart, no one could have thought of that.Perhaps I was adressing the America factor, as the cool thing about having Lovecraft being a prophet would be to have him spread the heresy in the Americas, instead of in Europe where it is already widespread.
>>94387074>spread the heresy in the Americas, instead of in Europe where it is already widespread.Is their a spread of CoM in Europe or is that fanon? We know nothing about the Church of Metamorphosis other that it turns followers into deep sea monsters crossed with bugs. And maybe is a vague connection to the vaginal door thing as the doorway to a 'gestalting god'
>>94386238Grimdark pregnant Anne Frank
>>94387107We already know what would happen to anne frank when shes born anon
>>94387099Of the heretics in Europe, we know this:-Since 1666, Gibraltar is a fortress from which they launch naval raiding parties (literally a future subfaction) across the Atlantic.-In 1872 the city of Rijeka (Croatia) was stormed by heretics and is used as a base to conquer the continent.-In 1894 Death Commandos muder the pope, the high prophetess, and the holy roman emperor.-In 1910 the heretic advance in the Iberian Peninsula is stopped at the Battle of Cordoba.-The Free State of Prussia has units dedicated to responding to outbreaks of the Black Grail with flamethrower tanks.-Tuomas Pirinen has hinted through several comments on FB that Avignon is a centre of corruption.So I daresay that a certain amount of underground devil-worshipping can be assumed.
>>94386984It's on Mike Franchina's artstation>Prophetic Tactician. Part of the Synod of Strategic Prophecy. The Synod communicates directly with God, in order to divine his ultimate plan. In order to do this, the Synod must use children, who are the only ones with the sensitivity of mind to communicate with God. The children are surgically, genetically, and chemically altered to carry out this task. They also must use special machines to communicate with God.
>>94387533This lil nigga looks so proud to be doing his part that I can't even feel bad for his fucked up harlequin baby appearance.
>>94384041Kill yourselfI waited 900 seconds to post this
>>94387533This little cunt is crazy looking.
>>94384216>>94384041No anon. I feel you, but you want something different than what TC is.If you must inject levity, make it a yourdudes thing. But the wider setting is a horrible, grim, dark place.
>>94386637>This man is 6'6, and crazy explosive.>He is currently INCREDIBLY HIGH on drugs.>All the drugs.>So many mind-altering hallucinogens and special bush, that he can see into the future.>He has trained himself, extensively, while incredibly high, to be able to see you, then stab you with a knife made of the poisoned blood of his ancestors, and step away back into normal time, so now you've just suddenly fallen over, disemboweled and dying from blood poisoning.I swear I'm not making this shit up.Evisor has nothing on these guys.
has man inadvertently damned itself in creating such horrors in order to fight the forces of hell?
>>94389665no, this is our penance for our sin for unleashing hell in the first place
>>94389665Yes. If mankind would win, they're left with massive armies and devastating weapons. Those are not left to gather dust. Pious nations fight even now, when the hell is a problem.
>>94387533Little nigga stole my TV antenna
>>94389687make me wonder what would happen to all the divine tech in a victory scenario, will it stop working? I doubt god is gonna give you advice on how to kill thy neighbour over petty human squabbles
>>94386294>they were basically primitive when euros found them with guns.tenochtitlan was one of the most populous cities in the world
>>94386558>If a faction is able to conclude that they are not infact demons, but just aliens or something less spiritual, that taints the setting.Remember when this happened with Doom?
>>94390015this never happened to doom
>>94390055yeah it did, in doom eternal
>>94390060post proof.
>>94390002I still think it's so metal how Europe managed to just obliterate such a big empire and took the Americas off the board so efficiently.
>>94390123its because aztec were really kinda primitive. they were more primitive than Mesopotamians.It was like a 21st century navy seals team encountering an ancient civilisation.
>>94390162This is why I'm sad space travel will never be possible. Give everyone a chance to go topple their own primitive empires.
>>94390123It's because the aztecs were hated by their neighbours. Tlaxcaltecs nearly wiped out Cortes and co in the start but the father of their king said that the usage of guns and horses could provide a great benefit against their hated enemies of the aztecs. The aztec's tributary states also agreed to ally with cortes, so the conquistadors instead basically stepped into help lead a rebellion against the aztec empire. It was still a miserable painful affair though - 2500-3000 conquistadors came along and 1800 of them died. One of the battles was lost so bad it's called "La Noche Triste" (the Night of Sorrows) because Cortes and co had to flee Tenochtitlan at night, with half their guys killed and gold lost, that in front of everyone Cortes fell against a giant tree and wept. Even in the Fall of Tenochtitlan, the spanish were about 1300 and their Tlaxcalan allies were 200,000, and 900 conquistadors died - and this was after a smallpox epidemic killed 80% of the people in the city.The funniest part is that there were a bunch of conquistadors who sued Cortes because he avoided paying most of them. Meanwhile the native nobility were given ranks equal to european nobility, and the aztec power structures stayed in place as part of the deal
>>94390055I havent played in a long time, I remember in universe they try to tell people they are just "extra dimensional beings" and not monsters, but this was propoganda no? I didnt like the game besides this because it makes Doomguy the centre of the universe where hes an exiled diety or some shit, not that hes just a guy with a gun who was exceptionally good at what he did.
>>94390197pretty sure that was a joke, the UAC tried to call them pc terms.
>>94390197The propaganda is there but they're still actually extradimensional beings. Hell is instead the product of a creator deity who was a scientist who manufactured an artificial heaven and a species of machine angels, but was kicked out by his artificial god. Demons are made of human bodies after their 'soul energy' is harvested
>>94390226fuck that is so shit Doom 3 was so much superior.Doom 3 had the whole cool, sending science expeditions to hell to research it and dying horribly.
>>94390260Yeah it sucks. Doom eternal's lore is actually fucking horrible in every way, which is crazy when doom 2016's was actually pretty good
>>94390260Yeah doom lore got a bit silly. Ended up being more of a science fantasy setting rather than biblical. It's all just aliens really.
>>94390226I dont remember that. When you try to explain the immaterial as something more tangible it always makes it fucking lame.>That guy who has a mouth for a face? Thats not a guy who was possessed by a demon that represents leeching and sloth behaviour that found a suitable host that elicited these traits, where the guy manifested his desires to be a bottom feeder and be rewarded for it. Those that would taint themselves are rewarded justly. He lives only to prey on the weak and loves it.Where if you try to explain it and make it tangible;>Thats just bacteria that made his face get fucked up to grow lots of teeth, where its affected his frontal lobe and hes now crazy, the aliens use this bacteria to make soldiers, and the only reason they exist is because they are made for war. Hes a victim, he needs help.Never try to make spirituality understandable in the context of science, treat it as a field that you can barely even fathom where belief, metaphor and reflection actually manifest things, where you know the rules, but not how it actually works.
>>94390349i mean i hate the nudoom lore described. But ive always loved the scientists encountering the supernatural trope.Typically what happens is scientists try to tackle it with science but eventually become occultists.So they become occultist-scientists. Like the scientists in TC.
>>94390269i mean in the og doom they are described as aliens but also literal demons from actual hell. Then they hijack human technology to make cyborg demons. So it was always scifi fantasy
>>94390123It wasn't really Europeans, but dissatisfied tributary states and a misunderstanding of how the spoils of war happened.The Spanish were more so a catalyst than the actual defeating force. The Natives of that region had a more gentlemanly view of war, with war seasons, and rarely was land taken or cities razed. You just paid tithes to the winner and everyone went back to what they were doing before. To say the Aztec "Empire" was a true empire is a misnomer. It was a powerful city state with tributary, but still independent states, paying it taxes.The Natives that helped the Spanish fully expected them to fuck off after the fall of the Aztec and collect their tithes at a later date.
>>94387533Thanks anon>>94388704fun fact that what humans look like when they're exposed to a fatal dose of radiation and they're body begins to break down
>>94386085Unholy hand grenades of Antioch?
>>94392181Now listen 'ere u
>>94390123Protagonist race tends to get plot armor.You have to remember that white europeans are the protagonist race that history is centered around and the standard by which basically everyone is judged because God was nice enough to plop down Jesus in Roman land and also have Greeks/Rome to begin with and also make most relevant stuff to the world happen in Europe.Based God.
>>94387533someone made a model of this
Two last digits of your latest post reveal the patron of your heretic legion. Check the corresponding demon from some Ars Goetia list. If your numbers are above 72, you're slave of the tyrant in the heavens.
>>94393052Alright... Let's check I guess.
>>94393252Allocer... Guess it's okay. I always like Knight adjacent Goetias. My favorite is Furcas though
>>94393052you know we can just roll right, but ok.
>>94393356Well, power of love it is
>>94393285astronomy and liberal arts. I guess they strike when the stars are right, doing convoluted stugg overall.>>94393360Many demons seem to be about love and sex.
>>94393052Rollan
>>94393052rollin
>>94393052rolling rolling rolling
>>94391658I guess the tens of thousands of Mexicas who joined in the conquest of the Incas and the Phillippines must have still expected the Spaniards to fuck off afterwards.And the Tlaxcalans, who negotiated a degree of independence in exchange before helping the Spaniards, after Otumba, must also have had expected them to fuck off.By the way, it was the ships that the Spanish built and equipped with cannons, that possibilitated the fall of Tenochtitlan.And the Spanish, their tactics and their wardogs definitely didn't play the pivotal role in most battles.Reading you it would seem Spain accidentally stumbled upon the first empire where the sun didn't set.
I'm hoping that the Church space program eventually leads to an elite unit that prays to the Heavens to smite their fury down upon the foes of God (send hurdling down a barrage of tungsten telephone poll crosses launched from orbit)>>94393052rolling
>>94394123Crosses falling from the sky, striking the heretic territories.
>>94393052Give my warband something cool
>>94393052There once was a rolling bog, a rolling bog; and in that bog was a rolling bump.
>>94385603If Angels get involved, then the Arch Devils will also get involved and at that point there won't be a universe left for either to squabble over.
>>94385655>>94385662The angel thing is from a short story on Mike's now-deleted Patreon:>We remained cowering in a trench when the trumpet sounded in the oppressive, lead-lined sky. We furtively glanced out of the corners of our eyes, having learned long ago not to look at such things directly. We saw it all the same. The angel stepped down from the sky in a burning catastrophe of light, and it spoke words like thunder.>The words were vast and inscrutable, like glimpsing only a fragment of some titanic buried machine and trying to understand its ancient purpose. Our minds broke upon the surface of those words, leaving us gasping for air, we could not endure such relentless purity.>I stared dumbfounded at my friends who had cast themselves into the mud. They crawled like worms, and they uttered the most desolate sounds. One beat his face against a wooden post until it was a slick, red cavity bristling with broken teeth. The other, shrieking, clutched his service pistol and shot himself again and again.>I pulled myself out of the trench, scrabbling over the sandbags and crosses, and the words of the angel filled my head with a buzzing pressure that made my eyes bulge from their sockets. I fell to my knees, made obeisance, and as I stared into the blazing, dominating light, I could not even feel my head catch fire."
>>94394151>51>Balaam>He used to be the chief angel >His nickname is the King of Terror. >sturdy physique>heads of a human, a bull, and a female sheep , a snake- like tail>flames coming out of its eyes>sitting on a ferocious bear with a falcon placed on its wrist.>know everything about the past and the future >known to teach them openly. >also grants cunning, finesse, and wisdom to the summoner>and can also make them invisible.>invisible >And it is said that it can make people witty.>mfw>Get to be in a terror raiding party>Warbands leader has magic that can help avoid detection>Get to know about the future without strapping a child to a hunk of iron>Have the wit to dunk on the faithful about being more ethical than them about gaining precognision haxLife is good
>>94394198I expected people would share if they come up with warbands that would have a their own strange traits, suiting their patrons.Now its just bumping to keep the thread alive.
>>94386470Mike and Tuomas have heavily implied that Hell covers all interpretations of Hell that we know of, and many we don't. You could easily base a Court regiment off of eastern Buddhism and it would be canon compliant.
>>94386895>>94386911God is very much a thing and we even have an entire bit of lore about the preserved remains of Saints being used to channel their spirits from Heaven to petition them for advice and strategic aid. God simply does not directly intercede because His direct influence is very destructive to the mortal condition.
>>94386919>1) you have god inanely screaming in your ear 24/7It's not God screaming in your ear - God provides you information just fine. The problem is that the Voice of God explicitly never decays so you essentially become incapable of living normally after contact with Him and without external aid, you'll eventually go completely insane.
>>94387099Out of all the Hell factions, CoM and MAYBE the Beast are the ones I can picture having underground cults literally everywhere, even in areas ostensibly under the protection of the Church.
>>94394262Might as well use my own post.>52>Furfur>conjures storms and lightning>is known liar and causes love between men and women>zealous warband that spouts lies and propaganda>spells cause chaos in the ranks of the pious>they act reckless and do stupid decisions>the members of opposite sex start to see the heretics as less of an enemy but as human>maybe even as potentian partner>rumors spread and infighting begins>warband strikes accompanied by storms>with thunder and rain they attack like wild animals slaughtering their enemies>weakminded are taken as wretched slaves of the warband>they are brainwashed by lies of their new lord
>>94394135Tungsten rods but giant crucifixes!
>>94386960>H. P. Lovecraft>friends with an ArabSetting is gay and shit
>>94393052rollyn
>>94394042>By the way, it was the ships that the Spanish built and equipped with cannons, that possibilitated the fall of Tenochtitlan.?????
>>94393052Rallim
>>94393052>>94396100Anon... you didn't specify what happens of I got 00...
>>94396106You got no patron, you are wretched.
>>94393052As a loyal knight of Mammon, surely i can roll Mammon
>>94393052Might as well roll.
Question for those who played skirmish campaign games like TS, Is it only your army vs another player throughout the campaign and how does the game handle snowballing? I've only played forbidden psalms campaign(vs ai and coop) so I cant wrap my head around how you can have multiple battles between the same 2 forces but >player 1 wins>player 1 gets ahead and is more likely to win again>player 2 may lose troops and is more likely to lose again>repeatFor context, in FS there is basically no penalty for losing units so its harder for 1 guy to snowball>>94393052Also roll
>>94398128Usually there's reinforcements that come later. You don't bring your entire force for the first battle. If you lost the first battle, you might bring some of your more important stuff in for the next battle or use more in hopes of getting the upper hand and putting your opponent on the backfoot. There's a finite amount of resources you have over the entire campaign and you have to strategically plan on when it deploy it.
>>94398128There's a couple things that seem to help for TC specifically>warband thresholdYou're only allowed to deploy up to your cash threshold, which starts at 700 and goes up by 100 every game. So I lost no units my first game and gained 140 ducats from exploration, but I can only field an additional 100 regardless. That way you don't go too crazy off a victory, I suppose>reinforcement optionIf a ton of your forces die you can forfeit some things to restore your force back up to the threshold. What you lose is really just missing out on the chance for something unique from exploring.So my friend lost half his force in our first battle and was then at around 400 ducats of value, he takes the reinforcement option and gets to 800, I went exploring and have a force of 800/800 with 40 ducats leftover and a nifty campaign ability to reroll dice on exploration. I'm slightly ahead there in raw value, but my friend also reformatted half his force to be better at fighting me.>Is it only your army vs another player throughout the campaign?A campaign could contain any number of people, which means my other friend will have to fight one of our 800 point warbands with a 700 point one. There's a couple things to kinda balance that too; the person with the lowest number of battles picks who is attacker and defender, and first turns go to whoever has the least models. Wouldn't overcome like a 400 point difference or something, but you can just bring less stuff I guess.There are a couple things that someone can get ahead on though, mainly glory points and elite unit experience. Glory points seem to get around the threshold limit, and leveled up units can get some fun/powerful bonuses. If someone gets ahead on glory, well, glory models have the same odds of dying and glory gear of being lost in combat at least. Might not be a good idea to bring my anti-tank rifle to fight this second friend since I really need it for the first one and don't want to lose it.
>>94396985Lmao.
>this is how communicants are made
>>94398702I can never tell if your posts here are trying to bait people to get mad or if you're just really young.
>>94398725Anon I think he just likes the Little Nuns art.
>>94398128>>94398519>>94398557Reminder also that, the full campaign rules will likely have scenario's that can end without any models getting injured and both sides gaining resources, like mordheim
3 super roided assassins with double sapper supportFull assault weapons naval raiding party with incendiary ammo to support a giga juiced death kommandoKnights of avarice that has a heretic priest rush down mid and force enemy models to charge him so a Goetic Warlock can blender them, meanwhile 2 anointed with heavy ranged weapons are playing bodyguard for the Mammon flag bearer trooper?Which one sounds more fun?
>>94384191This. Happy for a setting that is unreservedly good versus evil with no half measures.
>>94399337Assassins. Small teams are always neat if you can make them work.
>>94399337The Assassin cabal warband looks pretty fun
>>94399704>>94399919https://pastebin.com/fcgF6kZSIs the list I came up with, Fireteam would be the master assassin and mirage of time assassin.I thought it was kind of a meme but I might have fun with it zooming across the map and just eviscerating fodder.
>>94383067Have we gotten any word on what happened to Africa, Asia, or the New World? Were their other portals to hell opened in the Aztec Empire, China, or India?
>>94384123If they were going to do an ork/skaven comedy faction it should be an island of Dr.Moreau/Frankenstien mad science faction. “Clearly God does not intend to give us victory through the church, but science shall offer us salvation! Only by studying the natural world may one know the will of god!” Think mad scientists with lightning guns and their bizarre warped creations pouring onto the battlefield. A thundering juggernaut made from the martyred flesh and blood of an entire village murdered by the forces of hell now commanded and empowered by their ascended heavenly forms. Twisted dogmen like victorian taxidermy charging up a hill. Dead men brought back to an unnatural semblance of life with alchemy, electricity, and a sewing needle. Angelmen with their angelic DNA “activated” carving through the battlefield with holy light. Jewish Golems stomping across the battlefield alongside robots.
>>94385376Maybe Hell is connected to other worlds and doing multiple invasions. This one is just the worst hit.
>>94400613>Jewish Golems stomping across the battlefield alongside robots.Already going to be a thing with the Hebrew Knights
>>94400804YES
>>94383510>Servant of Hell having bizarre, ugly features like massive nipple ringsI fail to see the issue?
>>94383510You can use proxy’s anon
What is G*d, angels and J*sus doing during the trench crusade?Don't they have the shits that the forces of heck are doing whatever they want?
>>94401070Assuming it is God and some space lizard taking advantage of people with schizophrenia then it’s Old Testament God and he is helping humans in the war path and is very very wraithful.
>>94401070Hell isnt doing whatever it wants. The moment that actual demons leave hell, Heaven gets involved (and the demons get btfo). Both Hell and Heaven are helping indirectly. Hell is just better at creating mortal hybrids with hell technology. Heaven is still helping with advice and providing some technology.Jesus is being cloned and consumed for diluted divine power.
>>94401166Hell has easier time creating monsters. They don't ask your opinion, and just mutilate you into some hellbeast. God and church tends to ask you, before turning you into some beast of war.That does give me idea though. Knights of St. Jonah, order full of knights who were guided to their order by God. They all tried to avoid their destiny, but all ended up to becoming crusading knights.
How to build Eire antioch?Spam sniper priest with chaff screen?
Has anyone played a game of it? is it fun? they said it's miniature agnostic as well
>>94386941They bodily and gorily ascend to Heaven.
>>94387533Why are you risking a valuable asset like that on the front lines? He shouldn’t be in battle; he should be kept safe as far away from the war as possible.
>>94400574A bunch of Muslims from Asia are now members of the Sultanate.Africa is a battleground and in particular the biggest Greed demon wants to take Northern Africa but other than that there isn't much. There are some (seemingly minor) African empires and armies in the fluff but again there isn't much.No word on the New World other than Colonialism as we know it didn't take place
I'm yearnin' for a burnin'
>>94402070Why 683? You could cram in some medi-kits at the very least.
New art of the Temple of the Metamorphosis. It's called an Angel of Transcendence, posting by the official twitter account.
>>94383084>>94383673>>94402123Also, Train scenario updated.
>>94402121I'll do that. I just wanted to use flamethrowers and lots of them.
when do I get to put in my address, I havent seen anything about a pledge manager
>>94402179Should be this week
>>94402143I like the scenario, but there's no way in fuck that I'm going to set it up per those highly specific instructions. Why not just say "Three cars, middle has a turret" instead of telling me I need a hill and a bridge and shit? It's gonna get boring quick if we do set up the terrain as such every time. Like I get that keeping the turret "less accessible" is important from a balance perspective, but there has to be a less contrived solution.
>>94402711You don’t need to follow scenarios down to the letter. They’re made with what’ll be cool in mind, not with what is always practical for people in mind. Modify as needed.
>>94383067I love that there’s a canon group of trench pilgrims who think “cloning Jesus and making a guy eat him” is fucking nuts and make them serve on the battlefield as penance for cannibalism. If I ever get an army I’m also going to make them take the cross out of their eyes because “that’s just stupid”.
>>94401070As far as I understand, no actual demons or angels are actually on the field. All those grotesque monstrosities are human or some kind of animal.
>w*ke retards are chimping out on the TC sub over colonialism againlmao, these people are going to destroy the game before its released.They called a guy a christo-fascist because he made some homebrew map of fictional north american groups.
>>94403257It's probably fine here. I was bitching about shit last week and I never got banned
>>94383246What’s that freaky little thing next to him?
>>94401070Think of it more like there's a proxy war going on.
>>94403313The metal dude with the big hammer? He's a Sin Eater. His rules are in the Mercenaries PDF.
>>94403336Kinda annoys me that this guy made it in but, as far as I can tell, the Goetic Warlock didn't.
>>94403345i heard someone claim its because the goetic warlock was used in another project.I think some of the models too are just generic templates they had lying around.
>>94383067You know what squatted warhammer army you could fairly easy slot into this setting? The Tomb Kings. Here me out: “Outrage over the robbery of their tombs, the slaughtering of their people, the destruction of their monuments, and the desecration of the land and fueled by the solipsistic narcissistic anger of men who believe they are Gods the ancient pharaohs have begun to rise from the dead and seek to reclaim their kingdom. Led by the Firstborn of Pharaoh, sacrificed body and soul by Moses the prophet to The One Whose Name Must Not Be Written, they seek to chase out the Christians, Muslims, and most of all the Heretics and reestablish Aegypt under the rule of the God who Conquered the Sun.
>>94403364
>>94403384Still better than the weirdo who wanted to bring the confederates into it.
>>94403364theres an egyptian faction in the lore
>>94403384>>94403394>people say these things while schizos insist non-binary aztec utopia be added
>people engaged in a niche nerd hobby are weird and cringeLike Jesus Christ we get it
>>94403294>they want native americans/aztecs>but they cannot be hell aligned>also no europeans or christians allowed in north americaso why have them at all if you are going to insist they have zero connection to the setting.Pure anti-fun and anti-creativity and anti-TC.
>>94403384I just want to use the tomb king army I got cheap, and “they’re just bony from desert warfare” is probably not going to
I am a little shocked at how low the unit variety is starting out
>>94403666sub faction count is incredibly high. Some factions are going to get multiple versions too like NA, Kinda like Mordheim.
>>94403667We'll see.I think some factions are fine with only a couple units since every game has something like that (for old 40k it would be necrons who have limited variety but were powerful) but it just feels that way for all factions right now.I hope you are right with sub factions but I wasn't impressed from the amount just shown from the downloads on the site. I mean I think they look cool and all but I think they dearly need more unit types per faction. Especially discounting the muslim faction which I don't have much interest in.I want to get into this game but I don't see much future for it unless they flesh out each faction much more and add more unit types.
>>94403712book will be more fleshed out, its pretty much just beta rules now.Also theres a lot of variety in load outs and subfactions, kinda build your own variety
>>94403957nope. Stfu
>>94403966So where do I find this Egyptian faction? Iron Sultanate isn’t it either.
>>94403977Egypt is under Mamon's control. Ethiopia would probably be properly added once the book is released.
>>94403666Considering that you equip units with whatever you want individually I actually think its the opposite. Like instead of "standard bearer" or something to that effect where a unit is specifically the guy that carries the flag and has its own distinct stats, you can just choose what unit carries the flag, and that in turn makes that unit different from the rest. Like you can have 2 players with the exact same unit list, but because of their equipment and aquired traits they are completely different playstyles.
>>94404040>Egypt is under Mammon’s controlThat has diddly squat to do with an Egyption faction.>Ethiopia would probably be properly added once the book is released.There’s already an Abyssinian variant for New Antioch (and Abyssinian = Ethiopia anyway). I’m still waiting on Fuckface McHeadCanon to tell me the details of this Egyptian warband.
>>94404360you are just too retarded lolGo read the pdfs and come back you moronic faggot
>>94393052Oh fun.
>>94393052Rollin
>>94404408You’ve claimed there’s an Egyptian warband, so burden of proof is on you.>t. read the rules and lore primer and found three mentions of Egypt and none of an Egyptian warband
>>94404651I said theres an egyptian faction. You are an idiot.
>>94404671So wheres this faction in the lore material ? Can you provide a reference to the pdfs?>no you can’t because you’re a headcanon fucktard
>>94404815retard
>>94403666This is what lots of skirmish games are like. You pick a handful of pretty generic dudes and you equip them with a bunch of stuff so they are all pretty unique. Then as the campaign goes on they get better gear and permanent buffs or debuffs. I think warhammer might have just broken your brain. Warhammer has lots of unit variety so they can sell more plastic. If you want a better WH comparison, think Mordheim or Blood Bowl. They have similar roster building to this.
Do we have a map now ?
>>94405572Not yet, but the book will have one.
>>94394715His wife was jewish
>>94387045in real life the only reason the spanish and portuguese went to the new world is because they thought the templars took catholic artifacts there, so it wouldnt make sense for them to even go there among the other reasons you mentioned
>>94396088Not that anon, but they did have ships - cortes had 13 ships constructed in parts, portaged to the coast of Lake Texcoco, and then assembled there. However, the other anon is wrong about these being significant in the sense that their military capabilities and cannons weren't all that relevant - they nearly lost to the masses of canoes used by the aztecs, who would try to board them. Only a strong wind - which was a bad thing for the canoes and a good thing for the masted ships - saved them.
>>94405887There's a non zero chance a real human being made this post btw
>>94405907(cont) the true benefit of these ships wasn't them attacking the city, but rather the ability to blockade food supplies. Tenochtitlan's population was between 200,000 and 400,000, and the siege from Cortes' forces of conquistadors and native allies lasted 93 days, so starvation and disease were rampant. The actual assaults were still slow going and methodical - the existence of guns and armour were much less relevant to the battle than the popular perception. It's a shame, because this is one of the most interesting military campaigns of all time and yet it's beset on both sides of a culture war, where one insists it's le based euros easily steamrolling savage aztecs and the other insists it's evil euros bumbling into victory against the noble aztecs. No big media will ever be made touching on this topic without insanely bad inaccuracies/biases
>>94405911my post? esoteric knowledge is freely available on the internet, you dont have to be an alien to know these things
attention multipart enjoyers: we won.
>>94405043Yeah that’s what I thought. You have nothing to back you up and so fall back on abuse and reporting the post that called you out, coward.
Flesh Bred>>94407734>>94407734>>94407734
>>94386238america would probably exist but it's just not relevant to the theme they're going for imo and would conflict with it so it's probably better to just not mention it
>>94403309lol
