Cannon Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0HWarhammer Chronicles: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zipTime of Legends: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zipET: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zipTOW: https://gofile.io/d/ffbanDhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>94379680>Thread Question:What's your favourite artillery piece? Either in general, or specifically in your army/armies.
>>94402222Nice get>Thread Question:What's your favourite artillery piece? Either in general, or specifically in your army/armies.Pic related
>>94382683You forgot the 8th edition Skaven.
>>94402293Skaven didn't get a "proper" 8th edition army book, what are you talking about
I just found out that some of the bret models I wanted were in stock for US this time yesterday. I checked around this time and both were out. Turns out you have to clear your cookies sometimes or the store might not update for you.
>>94402301Mea culpa, you are correct. I mistook one of the files I'd saved.
What's your favorite alternative ruleset for wargaming Warhammer Fantasy? >Oathmark >Lion Rampant >OPR>Saga: Age of Magic>Billhooks: Fantasia>Warlords of Erewhon Any other rules besides these?
>>94402368Fuck off
>>94402395What tf is your problem
>>94402464Just because there's not enough people in the world wanting to talk about your rulesets to make your own thread doesn't mean you should be talking about them here.
>>94402222>Cannon EditionI'm going to post an unpopular opinion: I think the empire would be better portrayed as a very expansionist entity that has either already annexed all the other nations of men of the old world like kislev, tilea, estalia and bretonnia, if not even one dwarf karak or two, or is going to do it soon
>>94402641Yeah, they could call the annexed cities... The Cities of Sigmar.
>>94402641> I think the x faction should be (insert entirely different thing here)Besides you're just describing pre-undead khemri
>>94402664
>>94402641Dumb take, very dumb. As dumb as your post pic
>>94402624I bet he mayby knows one of them at most. Never played it obviously. Fact that he gives Lion Rampant instead of Dragon Rampant which is a well known dedicated fantasy version of the Lion gives him away. Ignore the troll.
>>94403141they cant lick you while you die if they kill you with a bow
>>94403141They do, they just mount them to a mechanical cross-like device to make it easier to hold, aim, and fire multiple projectiles from. They call it a crossbow. Nifty device. Empire uses them too sometimes, ogres too.
What if the Sundering did not happen. Like what if Morathi died or wasn't an evil femme fatale.
>>94403305You tell me, anon. What do you think would happen?
>>94402368KoW. It's WHFB in 30 minutes. The others aren't bad rank and flank games, other than Oartmark, but they don't hit that WHFB itch.
>have one model left to paint for my army>it's gonna be a massive slog cos its a huge monsterurgh
>>94402641Nah they're more fun as a dysfunctional HRE analogue that's constantly infighting and incompetent. Where's that STL from?
>>94403990wat monstar?
Repostan Are grave guard good in TOW? I'm preparing an army to be used for 6th and 7th (emphasis on 6th) but want it to be compatible ie. not useless in TOW as well.
>>94404327Probably less useful than making your infantry anti-cav targets and bringing all the cav you can yourself.
>>94404327If you're making a VC army for 6/7th anyway you're good, they are one of the best units in the game, especially in 7th lol. Don't know about TOW but it's only a matter of base adapters. Literally non issue.
Took me a bit but my 2nd painted unit as well as the 2nd unit for my Dark Elves army is almost finished, I just need to do the rims green and then varnish them, but like with the Cold Ones I posted here before you guys get the 90% finished photo.I think the unit came out pretty decent, though I think I made a few more mistakes with these guys than my Cold Ones, still though I think the unit came out the way I wanted.
>>94404418Looks good Anon.
>>94403990Show your army anon!
>>94403305I'm not too sure about it, but I think morathi was instrumental at some point during the great catastrophe due to her clairvoyance and the fact she gave aenarion another kick of mojo after the previous wife died.
Finished this ex-blood bowler to be a unit champion. With some careful sawing I could bend the forward arm inwards to a good shield-carrying position.>>94402222The screaming skull catapult. Guessing ranges is always fun and a single casualty causes a panic test, which is sweet.>>94403990That should be a motivator. Make it the crowning piece!
>>94403996>HRE analoguedon't say that anon you'll get lynched by the high fantasy retard
>>94403996but if they had more regions in them, especially recently conquered ones with their own cultures, there would be more infighting and incompetence norba miniatures
>>94403996Retard
>>94404628You don’t need to sign your posts, Anon.
>>94402222Between Necromancy, Illusion and Elementalism, which lore is best for matches against VC?t. TK player
Watch out, El Capitan Loco is on the loose!
>>94404674Monstergirls.
>>94404585Oh look le analogue guy is here again! Have you checked the dictionary in the meantime?
>>94402254I love them in warmaster. They are an optional unit when both opponents agree on RoR though.
>>94402222My scraplauncher, even though the rules are awful
>>94404784>>94404674>no varghulf gf
>>94402368This is depressing terrain. Incidentally I was running the numbers and realized that jungle/forest is probably the most expensive to "properly" do. With a Town setting you can make buildings out of foam, which shouldn't cost too much. Desert is just a foam board with sand/terrain paint on it. Steppe is that plus some tufts of grass. But Forest/jungle/marsh requires a lot of little tufts and plastic trees and bits and maybe some plastic animals to really make it look good and becomes prohibitive. But damn, a jungle terrain board would be sexy.
>>94404605I always liked the lore tidbits about how the empire around 500 IC was expansionistic and that the Border Princes and parts of Norsca were annexed by the empire as additional provinces around that time, before the empire went into the decline with infighting and dissolved after the skaven wars and the Skavenslayer's death.But the empire's expansionism seems mostly limited to a few colonies in the southlands and lustria nowadays.
>>94402222>TT
>>94402222The stone thrower. Not the grudge thrower.
Genuine question inspired by this post>>94402368: what is the draw of WHFB that makes you want to play it over other fantasy wargames? Is it a love of the lore/setting? Availability of local players? Really enjoy the rules? Or because it's a GW game and you only play GW games? For me it's mostly the last point. Even with 40k I realized the rules are dogshit so I went on a long quest to find a better scifi game, but no matter what I tried I couldn't help but feel inappropriate using GW minis to play a non-warhammer game. So eventually I settled on playing 40k 3e with a mate. I suspect most other players have only played GW and like me, we have just been buckbroken into only wanting to play GW produced games. I tried some of those other fantasy games and despite enjoying the rules more, it just felt 'wrong'
>>94405092>I always liked the lore tidbits about how the empire around 500 IC was expansionistic and that the Border Princes and parts of Norsca were annexed by the empireWhere is it from?
>>94405261I made it up
>tqMy chaos sorcerers. Chaos armies aren't exactly spoiled for choice with regards to shooting, so I take what I can get. I don't think I'll ever get my hands on a hellcannon. Apparently it's not even a good cannon!
>>94402222>tqwhats shooting?t. vc player
>>94405261probably something like Sigmar's Heirs from 2eI know the Uberreik city book from the 4e starter set talks a bit about the Empire controlling a bit of Brettonia for a couple of hundred years
>>94402222>>Thread Question:>What's your favourite artillery piece? Either in general, or specifically in your army/armies.This thingI fucking loved the idea of it and the description of it calling down a meteoric shot, I was always a bit disappointed by its implementation when it got mounted on the stegadon, I think only total war came close to capturing the original vision because it didn't emit a pulsing aura of magic but calls down an orbital death ray at least
>>94405378Seraphon don't belong in Warhammer Fantasy
>>94405387blow it out your ass
>>94405398Can we not shit up the thread please. Keep it to /aosg/ and stop fucking up the general, thanks
>>94405387The lizardmen have been in Fantasy longer than you've been alive. Go back to /awg/ and rot.
>>94405387Good thing they aren't in warhammer fantasy then.Lizardmen are though
>>94405387the original concept art was even more sci-fi
>>94404418I feel like something's missing on the spears. Like the design of the "guard" and skull is too intricate to be of the same color as the blade and the metallic shaft, perhaps?
>>94405442>pattern should suggest circuit gears>& not to be lizardmen glyphs
>>94405442That's the problem with AoS and why it's so hated here, there is no continuity or unifying theme
>>94405442
>>94405455>>94405452just because you fail to see or understand the theme it doesn't mean it's not or shouldn't be there
>>94405449
>>94402222>What's your favourite artillery piece? Either in general, or specifically in your army/armies.As for a generic choice in DoW, it would be the Halfling Hot Pot, since its a silly unit.But as a special case it would be Bronzinos Galloper Gun, Goblin Hewer or Flame Cannon
>>94405449the coatl design from TWW makes slightly more sense now
>>94405461on a related note, and hopefully to leave behind the shitposting for a different discussion, I always found this detail intriguing >serpents>NOT snakeslike there's an implication of a very different nature in sotek's and tepok's deals and not just a matter of aestheticsmaybe draconic
>>94405471nah, total war just fucked up when trying to adapt pic relatedwhoever they outsourced the 3d modelling to saw a beak instead of a dragon head
>>94405448I get what you mean, for me though these are 20 out of the 40 spearmen for the army I'm doing so I wanted to limit how far I go in terms of painting in details just to get them all done, I've been setting a fairly low standard for the rank and file minis, then with my more elite troops (Cold Ones/Black Guard) I put more effort into those, then characters get the full love.
>>94404605>norba miniatures
>>94404418A fine regiment, anon. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of your army!
>>94405473the one on the far right one was used as a reference for this Charecter art from the recent WFRP Lustria book
>>94405511the sacrifice altar with circuitry here >>94405449 too
>>94405524wonder what other art from that book was based on the Gallagher Concept artI guess the art of Coatl since it has a gold mask
>>94405497They look clean regardless
>>94405501>100 minis for 80€That almost make me want to collect chorf. There's no way they're making profits at these prices so I guess they've made too many chorfs but holy shit that's a good deal. Imma keep on eye on that site
>>94405489tbf, that does look like a beakBut it is fairly common knowledge that South American coatl is a flying serpent not a bird snake, so they did drop the ball
>>94405546there a rumour that they did it so that it basically didn't look one-to-one with Quetzalcoatl model from Smite
>>94405545I think they're 3d printing their minis now
>>94405586Yeah but printing minis takes a shit ton of time and work.
>>94405442where do this concepts come from? are there of every army?
>>94405599https://imgur.com/a/k3bQlhttps://imgur.com/a/U7gBfhttps://imgur.com/a/Lk3H2dave gallagher's concept work for GW, appeared on the net for a short period of time, maybe on his instagram or tagged on tumblr years ago, I'm not sure if much of it is still up, I didn't bother with the 40k stuff, it was mostly marineshit
>>94405608
>>94405608didn't some of these show up in Blood on the Reik?
>>94405489>uh oh they fucked upIt's just some half arsed kitbash you retard
I'll do a few final final touch ups and then it's a bath of nun oil.
>>94405669two wrongs don't make something rightthey could have ignored the half assed kitbash in favour of a batter canon design or not half assed the adaptation of the kitbash and given the model the actual draconic head it has instead of the beakand the fuckup being easily patched with a mod doesn't make the original work a fuck up either
>>94405701Really nice and clean models, good work.
>>94405725As models the plastic clanrats are even cruder than the night runners. They also all have bare asses for some reason. On the plus side they are fairly fast to paint.
Having a break from painting and I wanted to start crafting some unit fillers.>>94405701Good job anon. How much do you have painted up already?
>>94405732>They also all have bare asses for some reason.post butts
>>94405737800 points not counting these ones.>>94405739UwU
>>94405737Do a camel skeleton.
Currently running a 2e campaign are there any batallion/army managment rules? My friends and I got really excited to play something like Total War or the actual wargame without playing those and more to add it to a "siege" or open field battle momentAny commander rules of some kind you know of? Like those of the mercenary groups in Conan 2d20 or GURPS
>>94405737pack camels if you want some cheap and quick
>>94405774I know 4e has a bunch of rules for that in the Up in Arms book and Archives of Empire Vol 2 along with other siege weaponry in some of the other books but I don't know for 2e sorry
To Battle and Victory!
Fluff says that after the Waagh of 1707IC, Solland was in ruin and was eventually absorbed by Wissenland. Yet by the time of TOW, Solland became independent again but using the name Sudenland now. Has it been explained why this happened?
So Arabyan wizards are basically JoJo stand users, right? Like they don't they do magic themselves but rather bully/coerce/bribe bound lesser daemons (Genies) to do the magic for them?
>>94405816I don't know about jojo but the rest sounds accurate.
>>94405803not really since the lore we do have for Sudenland is that it was founded after the great war against Chaos by Magnus when he basically rebuilt the Empire.if I guess, it's the southern lord, barons, margraves, ect of Wissanland and Former Solland in rebellion from the current count of Wissenland for whatever reason (taxes probably) and calling themselves a different province is them trying to justify some legitimacy from the greater Empire
>>94405701Nice anonI finished the bearer, now I just need to start work on the actual banner
>>94405816not sure we have enough fluff to answer definitely, but that seems to be the jist of it: the winds of magic near the equator aren't as easy to wield as they're towards the poles where they're much more present so human wizards either use pyramidal structures (sometimes literally, with physical pyramids and artifacts, sometimes allegorically with a hierarchy of multiple practitioners contributing to the spell) to channel magical energies, or employ the help of divine or elemental entities with a better ability to do the stuff.but I wouldn't be quick to characterise it as their only way of using magic.
Can Damsels mutate? Can they fall to Chaos? Like what happens when they miscast?
>>94405884>Like what happens when they miscast?You roll on the table
>>94405884at the end of the day they're mere humans, perhaps they have a modicum of extra protection thanks to elven/divine teachings and backing, but they're still potentially vulnerable, given enough chaos
>>94405892or the fancier storm of magic miscast table
>>94405802Based crusaders
I haven't followed 4th edition WHFRP in a while Have they done any more info on Southlands/Lustria/Estalia/Tilea/NotAsia or any other places besides the usual suspects?
>>94405983Lustria got a full 200-page bookTilea got 10 pages in the book Up In Arms.noting so far for Eastlia, Southlands or Cathay/ind outside of odd mentions in Adventures, NPCs or for Adventures hooks
>>94405224Wanting to play GW games doesn't mean you have to *not* play other stuff(I have armies for WEGD6 Star Wars, several eras of historical though DESU I don't find them that engaging, I tried out Warmahordes but find the tourneyfag mentality behind the game design fundamentally repulsive, I have loads of smaller games on my shelf that I'll probably never get anyone else to try etc), I just don't care for using knockoff rulesets that are clearly only begrudgingly trying to attract the Warhammer audience because they know if they don't they'll be even more obscure and unplayed than they would be otherwise to play Warhammer with when Warhammer itself is right there. I like the pre-faggoty versions of the IPs, and the games written to play in those IPs by the people who made up those IPs are the best way to play games featuring those IPs, go figure.
>>94405848How are you going to glue it?Also, maybe do a few scratches on this red armor.
>>94405452>there is no continuity or unifying theme>someone that likes Warhammer typed this unironicallyOof
>>94405803>TOW akshulle nulorePay it no heed
>>94405835Sounds like total lorelet bullshit because Araby is not so far from Nehekhara and somehow Nagash had no problem doing what he did. Also 0 thought was given when writing this slop since on the other continent lizarsmongs and DE are doing just fine.
>>94405803You aren't seriously posting trannylore to try and prove a point, are you?
>>94406148it's a call back to old lore(WFRP1e and WFB3e) that had Sudenland on the Empire map the story of Solland Destruction came later
>>94406169don't the Dark Elves live pretty far north in Naggorond?
>>94406186They go down south by land as well, never heard about any wizard going limp jest the equator
>>94406198>jest the equatornext to
>>94406179Ok, I understand but TOW is evidently not based on 1st edition and it "continues" geography, timeline etc of post 4th edition fluff developments. Solland being renamed Sudenland as an administrative or georegional designation makes sense for several reasons while still being part of Wissenland.
>>94405803They forgot
>>94406169Yeah, this. There was 0 material of Arabian wizards having their own pokemon based type of magic, yes, them doing pacts or binding spirits (demons?) was a thing since always but there's quite a few mentions of big arbayan wizards be it necromancers or other. And they even had their own lore of magic in warmaster iirc.
>>94406242>while still being part of WissenlandYet that fact is clearly absent from GW's interactive map. Because if Sudenland was part of Wissenland it would have been shown, like Ostland and Hochland is shown being part of Middenland.It's the same issue with Sylvania being a separate region from Stirland, in spite of what happened with the Vampire Wars.
>>94406320right now we simply don't know that much about the minor players in the Empire politics and we probably won't even after the Arcane journal releases
Went to a fun 2 game mini event today, was good, got to be on the end of a very competitive Mortuary Cult list and a slightly softer Vampire Counts list, although yeah screams are slightly busted. My main takeaway from today though is that on terrain dense boards trying to use infantry effectively is even more difficult when you're fighting hyper-mobile monsters.
>>94405793Oh no worries in fact this is better at least I have something to work with I could just rework part of the 4e ruleset to make it work on 2e
>>94405608may the chaos gods smile upon thee anon
>>94405608So judging from the first link the empire pyjama boys were based off his concept art?
>>94406535In Mark of Chaos one of Marauder voicelines was: May Tzeentch bless you with a tentacle.
>>94406777Pretty much. I think it was a move in right direction. In concept at least, not in execution.
Infantry chads are winning
>>94407028How come? I thought infantry sucked atm?
>>94407147Vamps, Dwarfs, some chaos, Brets, Orcs, all have great infantry
>>94407217Bret Exiles in particular, which is kino and lore-friendly since their men are all veterans and frontiersmen
>>94407028idk, today was a real eye opener about the practicalities of playing with infantry bricks in a slightly more competitive environment, they're just too unwieldy
>>94407352use magic to teleport them/put them into the right position
>>94407363Yep that's what I'm thinking, unless you're bringing some kind of teleporting spell so you can just ignore terrain I don't think infantry work
>>94406812don't threaten me with a good time
>>94407394Drilled also helps
>>94407217Trying to gaslight or just plain retarded?
>>94406812Yeah, MoK had plenty of good voicelines, I also liked how after destroying an enemy your troops are cheering. Much better than TWW where a unit or lord yells it's name like retard anytime you click them.
>>94406430did you take any cool pictures, anon? If not, could you at least give us a battle report?
>>94405545I'd be more interested if they sold their STLs, I aint paying for physical minis anymore
>>94407217>BretsHuh? Men at Arms are W2 and are only really a tarpit. What else is good?
Making a Beastmen list with as much of a focus on Minotaurs as possible, any tips?Using a Doombull as my General for the Core Minotaurs. Would like to use as little regular infantry as possible (aside from the 5 Gor unit tax)
Idgi, why did the Dwarfs get a second book, during 6th?
>>94407482Yeomen guard can punch up.
>>94407466No pictures unfortunately, I thought my opponents took some but they didn't, battle reports wouldn't be very interesting, between dense terrain and tight deployment zones my army just clogged itself up until flying monsters picked it apart in both games
>>944075406e lasted a long time
>>94407599If 6th last such a long time, would have then been cooler if they released Chorf book instead of a second book for lame dorfs.
>>94407540You do know arcane journals aren't armybooks, right?
>>94407540It's complicated.
>>94407728They are the exact same thing, only with different nomenclature.
>>94407592Ah, that's a shame. But, it is what it is. You should never assume your opponent will take pictures - be proactive, in all things! As for the battle report possibly being boring, I wrote up a detailed report in there threads a few months ago in which my chaos warriors got shot off the board by turn 5 after only managing to kill a single unit of high elves with magic, and anons still seemed to enjoy it. Don't underestimate how fun you can make a game sound by writing about it enthusiastically. The thread needs more of that kind of stuff. Enthusiastic posting!Please remember to take pictures next time, anon. I guarantee you that posting them will be fun and it'll make it so you can look back and remember the game many years in the future. Either way, I'm glad you had a fun time playing 2 games today.
>>94407540they were gearing for the 7th edition where they featured in the startersame with skaven at the end of 7th in preparation for the 8th edition starter
Help me Anons, apparently one of The Legend if Zelda developers claimed that in Warhammer Link would succumb to Khorne. Any source on that claim?
>>94407744no, they are not, you cannot write an armylist exclusively with the arcane journal in hand, you need either the ravening hordes book or the forces of fantasy one, they contain the actual unit info for the armythe arcane journals are just extra fluff pamphlets with a few special characters and alternative army composition rules, literally just what you would have found in the addendum of an 6th ed armybook, or a supplement like lustria
>>94407744>army book without unit entries ie. what makes you able to build an army listwhat a retard
>>94407744Have you ever seen or opened the army book though
Who else beside Blorcs have motley crew special rule?
>>94407750This, apparently there were also some problems with skull pass plastics production and they had to delay the set and consequently release of 7th as well.
>>94407773in all fairness, the arcane journals also add in new magic itemssome of them are even really good, like the rod of the damned and the grimoire of ogvold
>>94407876think gnoblars, some skavens, tk special hybrid unit have it
I know Dark Elves are the witchy faction but does anyone else wish that VC had a hero model that was a witch in European folk-horror style that VC embody? I guess you could always get a witch mini and run it as a necromancer but having its own rules would be cool
>>94408093maybe get a whole coven of witches on brooms and count them as a coven throne or mortis engine? it might not be exclusive rules but it's something a bit more peculiar you might not have in the army already
>>94408093Armies aren't really supposed to have multiple variations of the same kind of character unit. You've already got a necromancer - use whatever model you want for it, give him magic items to represent what he does, etc.Making special rules for a ton of different variations on the same concept is what AoS does. Accept the game as it is and work around it instead of trying to change it for your exact personal needs. You don't need special rules to represent your special caster.
Does a character with fear give the unit Fear?The core rules don't mention majority just Models with this special rule cause Fear:
>>94407876>>94408076Minotaurs as well
>>94408093>that VC embodyLmao
I miss when fantasy was alive and not just this shambling corpse they're dragging out.
>>94408840>Whines instead of playing gamesTry actually doing something to get the hobby rollingHere is a start of game picture I took for a game I just go home fromIgnore the teal clanrats they rolled a 1 and couldn't come on the board turn 1>>94408359No, it doesn't spread to the whole unit
>>94408896Your doomwheels look really cool, anon. I hope you had a fun game!
>>94408840You mean when exactly?
>>94408915ThanksI got destroyed lmao. It was Wood ElvesMy left flank crumbled so my Grey Seer and his SVermin bodyguard made it to the midfield, saw that, turn around, and leftI felt that appropriate and I have never defeated them so I don't feel any disappointment. Skaven just can't match their maneuverability as an all Infantry army
>>94408896Why bother with terrain at all
>get my hands on the rehashed chaos knights>very limited options>just barely enough for 5 dudes>will certainly run into duplicates issues for a unit of 9>no god-specific bitz S-sovl?
>>94407753Eh, seems like a bit of a tertiary, outsider/surface level take. Link uses gadgets and magic way too much for khorne, he's a spellsword. Doesn't really fit into any of the other gods either, not brainiac/magic enough for tzeentch, too humble and content for Slaaneshi, perhaps might turn towards nurgle for physical resilience but it feels like a stretch... Also "realistically", looking at the bigger picture beyond just Link, his dealings with helping forest spirits and humans would likely net him with charms gifted to him that would probably give protection against the influence of chaos.
>>94408764>vampires, bats, wolves, zombies, skeletons, ghosts>not classic European folk horrorRetard
>>94410166>uh oh they akshulee meant classical European folk horror and not fantasy/popcultural pulp horrorOk retard
>>94410274>witches and vampires arent Euro folk horror, thats just le pop culture! lmfao, go choke on some glass, faggot
>>94410166They're gothic horror, it's a different genre. Folk shit is chaos territory.
>>94409351>>94409351Im using 90% new chaos stuff for WoC and that knight kit alone made me just decide to use the old one. The one I bought Im using for chosen as theyre slightly bigger. I was going to use the kit for monogod chosen knights but even painting them has been that unenjoyable Ive decided against that.Beyond that you can mostly keep them unique with helmets but the shields and stances you end up with duplicates (see WiP pic)
>>94410316Its not a question of movie genres anon. Folk in this context means "of the people". They are part of the European supernatural mythos. Witches and vampires have spooked the minds of Europeans for hundreds of years. Im sure youve heard of the various witch hunting trials and the countless women burnt at the stake for witchcraft? People were genuinely terrified of things like this in early modern-modern Europe. The classic vampire we know today is more modern than but nevertheless vampiric like entities and concepts have also existed in Europe for a long time. This is all in the same vein as djinns in Islamic culture.Not everything needs to be reduced down to shitty movies
>>94410330>movie genresYou think Folk Horror and Gothic Horror were invented by movies/can only be used to refer to movies? You could just accept you got the wrong subgenre of horror, but you're out here acting like a retard. For shame.
>>94410330Terminal idiocy. I'm afraid you're beyond any clinical treatment.
>>94410362>You think Folk Horror and Gothic Horror were invented by movies/can only be used to refer to moviesAnon, thats you doing that. Im saying supernatural themes that have existed in the minds of Europeans for hundreds of years, like witches and vampires, exist independently of movies. I didnt "get" anything wrong because I never once made a comparison to movie subgenres. Thats you doing that, youre boxing them into dumb movie labels instead of understanding it from a sociological or mythological viewpoint. Stop embarrassing yourself please. Youre exposing yourself as some American mouth breather, unable to conceptualise something without linking it to gay Hollywood shit
>>94410330You seem to miss the point in the first lot of replies. Why the fuck does a witch deserve its own rules? How is it any different to just using a female model for a necromancer? The aesthetic differences are trivial enough to not warrant a whole seperate entry. Theres no reason for it to exist especially given the lore context theyd exist in that army in.
>>94410377Pray tell faggot, explain how witchcraft is not a part of European folklore. Ill wait.
>>94410388>Anon, thats you doing that.You're the one that mentioned film genres first, Anon. Gothic Horror as a name literary genre dates back to the 1700s. Retardo.>>94410394Ah, so you've gone from>vampires, bats, wolves, zombies, skeletons, ghosts are folk horror!to>witchcraft is folklore, that's the only point I was making so refute it!You're just doubling down on being a retard wasting everyone's time. Enjoy (You)r last reply.
>>94410325I'm talking about the old one. I actually went the same with mixing old so have the AoS knights with the ToW knights I just got, both kits are dreadfully shit for options. At least there are some more interesting bitz in the AoS warriors box, but I just find the rose tinted glasses here so funny when half of the old kits had the same problems as the new ones.
>>94410425The old one you can at least customise more easily with greenstuff vs the new one that can several stupid interlocking parts in dumb locations.
>>94410390Witchs use different magic I guess but even then it would just be a spellcaster using Dark Magic
>>94410447Thats my point, the end result gameplaywise is just that.
>>94410446Credit where it's due, the old kit has the ideal ball joint arms and pauldrons to cover seams, also universal connections for the horse heads and riders allowing you to swap between. I'm still just so disappointed in the actual bitz, I was also wanting to make chosen and there's so little there that's suitable, will also probably end up using the AoS knights for that due to the size and dynamic posing.
>>94410447So just have a necromancer use dark magic. Why is that a problem? I can't be bothered to download the VC pdf, but I'm almost certain that necromancers can use the lore of dark magic. So, get to it. Go paint that witch model, anon. Don't just sit here posting about it.
>>94410505yeah Necromancers and Vampire can use Dark magic as an option so I'm not sure where Witches would need to go in that roster
>>94410425I've always hated the 7th edition plastic chaos knight kit. It's not so bad to assemble and I'll never run in to the problem of duplicates because I only have 5 knights (and I never want to get more), but the kit is just awful to paint. Maybe it's because I don't like painting cavalry, but it just sucks. The spikes make the knights hard to hold and the barding has so many different surfaces that need to be highlighted to look good and then there's the knights themselves. Just when you think you're done, you have to get started on another section, if not even a whole other knight. Miserable! Painting chaos warriors is way more fun... but the end result is worth it.And my choice of colours almost certainly didn't hemp make the kit more fun to paint, either.
>>94407753He probably would if he were to fall to any of them. The spirit of the Hero is intrinsically destined to fight
>>94410447NTA but in warhammer (fantasy and 40k) 'witch' is used to refer to pretty much any unlicensed magic practitioner male or female.
>>94410590eh the Empire somewhat makes the diction between Hedge Wizards who use banal earthbound magic or Witches who use Dhar when castingboth illegal but one is less likely to become a demonologist or a necromancer
>>94410330>Im sure youve heard of the various witch hunting trials and the countless women burnt at the stake for witchcraft? People were genuinely terrified of things like this in early modern-modern Europe.YT lore kek
>>94405545they don't deliver to the USA
>>94410390>Why the fuck does a witch deserve its own rules?Why the fuck does anything deserve its own rules?
Why are people like "yeah I love TOW fluff, I like how [End Times fluff]"It's basically a different setting. You can't really bring up Chorfs and Dark Elves when talking about it
>>94405545I just don't like the kinda unrefined look of theseThey just look a bit unfinished, like the poses and details feel really rigid - and the faces are a bit sloppy- the level of detail is at a good balanced level tho
>>94410672>the witch trials never happened theyre le youtube lore lolI cant imagine how impractical it must be to be so retarded
>>94410815What end time chorf fluff? Tamaurkhan?
>>94410856Yes faggot, make even more starwmen to carry on with your retardation
Do you roll the amount of impact hits separately for each model in a unit or once for the unit and multiply it by the amount of models in the front line?
>>94410166I mean zombies specifically are American horror
>>94411589I'm pretty sure you're supposed to roll them separately, just like stomp attacks. So, if you have D6 impact hits per chariot and you had three chariots, you would roll 3D6.
>>94410856Not that they never happened more so just that they overly emphasized. Over the course of 300 years 50,000 died across two continents, a mere drop in the bucket when compared to things like child mortality, conflicts etc. during that time.
>>94411667that's enough to have a yearly witch hunt for 166 cities
>>94410166>not classic European folk horrorLiterally all over the World you fucking idiot
>>944117361 person dying in 166 cities yearly is completely unnotable, murder is far more common
Where is the image of the leaked Empire Miunted Captain?Or are they just re releasing the old Empire Captain kit
>>94411786the one that went on to eBay was just old metal Captains
>>94411757I didnt realise China and the Amazon had a rich folklore of vampires and lycanthropy. Cool. Could you tell me more about it?
>>94411667>uuhhh it's uhhhh uhh not real history it's uhhh youtube lore because uhhh propaganda during the wars of uhh religion and uuhh subsequent popular culture uhh magnified it's uuh scopeYou are profoundly retarded.>vertification not required
>>94411757No. That is very specifically european folklore. European culture did spread all over the world though.
>>94410330>Not everything needs to be reduced down to shitty moviesYes, yes that's why all the WH vampire bloodlines aestethics are literally snapshots from vampire horrors like Copola's Dracula, Nosferatu or Christopher/Lugosi takes on Vlad. Or in case of Lahmians being an obvious Carmilla novel inspiration. Go flex somewhere else newfag.
>>94412036>completely missing the point of the conversationIQ in this general has really dropped in recent months
>>94410857There's vague stuff about how they were wiped out by Greenskins, and that Hashut specfically was "Krumped" by gork and mork.
>>94412100sounds like fanfiction
>>94412047Agreed, the more you post the more it's true
>>94412101Most of the decisions with End Times were based on setting up Age of Sigmar, in the case of the Chaos Dwarfs they needed to get rid of them and Hashut from the fluff, and then also big up the Orcs as they had a prominent position as the main race of one of the four 'Grand Alliances' in that game.
>>94412024So apparently you're not dumb enough to not know that your greentext is actually true.
>>94412015https://www.maayot.com/blog/jiangshi-the-incredible-chinese-zombie/#:~:text=Jiangshi%20(%E5%83%B5%E5%B0%B8%2C%20literally%20%E2%80%9Cthe,present%20in%20the%20Chinese%20folklore.3 seconds on Google.
>>94412244Thats cool. What about the Amazon? East Africa? Polynesia? You said "literally all over the world" didnt you?
>>94412485And you said *european folklore* first bitch.
>>94412036VC from 6ed is basically a carbon copy of Coppola's Dracula, it's pretty funny.
>>94412523Yes, they are an intrinsic part of European folklore, and when people think of vampires and witches they will think of the European flavour before anything. A vampiric like entity exisiting in Chinese folklore doesnt change that.
>>94412559visually I would agree but the Bloodlines from 6e are more generic Vampire Tropes from a variety of sources rather than ripping off the Coppola version specifically
>>94412574>and when people think of vampires They instantly think of a dude in a tailcoat and blackred cape speaking with a foreign east european accent. Which was never part of the folklore but pop culture take
>>94412559I love how the old GW made it work and fit into WH world.
>>94412618Well yeah, the visuals are the only thing to copy, the rest is just the usual myths>>94412732There would be no reason it wouldn't fit, it was still "low" fantasy. We were still far from terrogheist and mortis engines etc
>>94412144Except we know development went other way around and AoS was rushing to un-do end times instead of end times setting up AoS.Original plan was just axing the non-40k line
>>94412756>There would be no reason it wouldn't fit, it was still "low" fantasy. We were still far from terrogheist and mortis engines etcSad how it all went down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj5F5HqbYZ0>what's nextWhy did they never follow through lads
>>94413401Listening to English people talk about things is so much more pleasant than listening to a pair of Amerisharts
>>94413401>>94413598Alan was the king.
Lazy friend is not working on his army…I wanted to get drunk with him and harass zoomies at the local GW store.
>>94413401End Times and aos protocols were already underway and FW was told to abandon fantasy. Next book was supposed to be about the Third Battle of Black Fire Pass, the one where Marius Leitdorf is slain and KF kills Vorzag Ironjaw.
>>94413952does the th e local GW even allow TOW games?
>>94413952Post what you've accomplished so far. Then show him people praising you on your toys and being proactive to make him jealous
>>94414059not OP but the one time I went to my local GW store>obese tranny (unironically) harassed me the whole time about shit I'm working on etc>one ToW game, high elves versus beastmen >mostly unpainted, beastmen army played by some redditor with man tits, probably also some form of fag>high elves guy talked about his infantry being a death ball (???) but otherwise seemed ok?>pick my online order and GTFO, remind myself never to be baited by free shipping to store ever again even with vouchers.I got kicked out of there for having a 3D printed turret on an otherwise GW plastic tank, not keen on ever being there unless I have to.
This dwarf list just won a GT, is TOW actually far more balanced and it is just haters oveblowing things or what?
>>94414200Which GT?
I wasn't aware this meme vid was actually based on fluff lol.https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1731965181900576.webm
>>94414279I love how his vids are equally low-effort and high-effort.TW:W often does its own thing, but they can also be very good at unearthing some obscure lore.
>>94414121>>94414059It does but they are massive faggots. It is AoS focused and has the vibe for it. It has trash Airconditioning and it is so bad that it has an entry on the german wiki.
>>94414111I already posted lots.here are some blorcs I shat out in a day
>>94414121You were probably kicked out for being a creep and a pest. At least be honest with your fables next time.
>>94414403Charitable of you to presume this bullshit story even happened to begin with.
>>94414425I can confirm it's true, it was I who snitched on him about the turret
Would this movement tray be "legal"? I don't know if unit bases are meant to be touching. Would the gaps be a problem?
>>94414520probably not tournament legal but for casual games most won't mind, it's really the length that is particularly off.
>>94414316Couldn't agree more. TWW has generally done a great job adapting any titbit of already established lore, either from older armybooks or from the novels. the vids are pretty fun on their own.https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1731971631115642.webmhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1731971568582196.webm
>>94405224>>94406007Nobody uses that Stirner spooks meme anymore but it's appropriate here, there's a bunch of overthinking and inconsequential bullshit you've allowed yourself to care about. Primary thing to consider: is the game fun, obviously that's highly individual, but if the system is less fun to you there's little point.If picking an alternative system for Warhammer: does it do a better job at being Warhammer.Some balance of the above.A lot of shit rules writers start and end with the aim of writing a system that fixes what they see as problems with Warhammer without thinking about how those mechanics help represent a fantasy battle. That's when you get shit like plain alternating activations put into such a system. Authors definitely don't go so far as to consider what many fantasy players want, and a big thing would be at least the illusion of choice when setting up characters and also units to a lesser extent. A good, though extreme example is Kings of War which strips out all that out and more, morale, etc. All the work painting and modelling to play a 28mm game, with none of the detail, and in fact less than a smaller miniatures scale battle game as it has none of the command and control mechanics of something like Warmaster. Dogshit.I didn't play earlier than 6th, 3rd looks interesting for example, but particularly 6th WFB does a reasonable job of representing the doctrine of different armies. Empire have detachments. Beastmen skirmish and ambush.Midgard looks like it has some thought behind it, but it's a dark ages ruleset and I'm not yet convinced it could do early modern.
>>94414200Tournaments show every army can win and there are multiple types of list. The only ones bitching are ultra competitive people (statistically non existent) and nogaems parroting youtubers. No one who's actually playing the game is complaining about balance.
>>94414520Yes, that kind of tray would be perfectly acceptable. That's a segregated movement tray and assuming your models are based on the correct 25x50mm bases and the tray is meant to push them up to 30x60mm, there shouldn't be an issue. The bases don't need to be touching, so long as the tray keeps them in the correct formation. You would use the outer edge of the tray for measuring distances. Ultra-competitive (i.e. less than 0.5% of the playerbase) players might raise a bit of a stink, but you should be fine. Just be prepared to give your opponent the benefit of the doubt regarding any issues that arise regarding measurement, especially with charges. If you want to make a perfect movement tray, make sure that every rectangle that makes up the tray is 30x60 mm, and the sockets to put your models in are exactly 25x50mm, with a distance of 2.5mm from the edge on the sides and 5mm on the front and back.But honestly, don't even worry about it. These new base sizes are garbage. Everyone at my LGS is playing with the old base sizes. Never rebase.
>>94414762Wow, didn't know there were multiple winning lists for the Empire. By all means please do post them.
>>94414819Why would I go through the trouble sifting through dozens of tournaments finding those lists for you?
>>94414819look up "metahammer" online, there are a couple different empire lists that are doing wellthey all seem to rely on MSU archers, 8 knights and up to 3 level 4 wizards, though. Some of those lists are kinda gross! But then again, it's not like the chaos lists are any better. We're playing in dark times when the only warriors of chaos players who actually bring chaos warriors to tournaments are the australians.
I will not have a single skeleton in my vampire count list
>>94414880>>94414819that mordian guy won a tournie with a gunline
>>94414960i'm gonna kick your ass
>>94414960Good for you! I mean it.What would be your core units then?
>>94414968Three games. He won three games. Not a Grand Tournament. Barely a tournament of any kind. And his first attempt at a gunline army didn't even have an actual gunline so he had to redo it. If you're taking lessons from him, you're an idiot.
>>94414960You running a Strigoi ghoul list, Anon?
>>94414960So like every VC list ever since release?Skeletons are literally just more expensive zombies. Completely pointless.
Can someone tell me about 4th/5th edition?I'm playing 2nd ed 40k, and want to also play the WFB edition it was based on since there's a lot of material for 40k 2e that draws inspiration from fantasy (such as porting in chaos models) plus that edition was much more heavily based on the WFB system.I believe that would primarily be 4th ed, since it came out in 1992 while 40k 2e came out in 1993.
>>94414059My local GW store has only two tables but had people playing TOW during both of my recent visits. One time they were playing the jousting game as well.
Should i wait possibly an eternity for bowshabti to be in stock or buy finecast versions on ebay for a marginally higher price?
>>94415433>Paying above MSRP for a recast
>>94415028>"Grand" tournament >literally a fantasy board game with toy soldiersHow can you write shit like this with a straight face
>>94415433Neither. Historical proxy.
>>94415514Because I understand it's just a name for an official tournament and I'm not a whiny faggot about something so inconsequential.
>>94415523And what's the historical proxy for giant living stone statues of skeletons with animal heads armed with bows, Anon?
>>94415541Have a look at the catalogue, should find something that suites your needs >https://www.perry-miniatures.com/
>>94415561>Behold, and Ushabti9000/hrs in MSPaint
Without sounding like a fed or a fat gross asocial faggot which most people assume you are if you browse here, I really would enjoy meeting people who care about the game from here and becoming friends irl. I feel like a lot of anons come here because they have no one irl to sperg about ToW, and this place is a shit hole / mental ward. Maybe I'll make a burner proton mail or something and see if there are any anons in western Canada.
>>94414200Is the Rune of Cleaving on the Anvil just to give it Magical attacks in combat?
>>94415613Hehehe.
>>94402641why
>>94413401awkward kino
>>94414403Yes anon. A GW store could never be bad.
>>94416602I once tried to buy some lord of the rings, the guy at the counter looked angry about it and didn't even talk other than telling me the price as I was paying.This was six years ago, and the last time I went to a GW.
>TQI mostly try to stick to only buying 6e units, even if I play later editions, but I gotta say I really like the Helstorm Rocket Battery for some reason. It reminds me of irl early Chinese attempts at artillery and feels more grounded than the Volley Blaster despite coming out in GWs whackier era.
>>94416862>feels more groundedWhat do you mean by grounded in here?
>>94417279Compared to eagle chariots and that weird Luminark sun altar cannon thing, its pretty grounded, especially as something very similar existed in real life. Im not sure how else you were meant to interpret that
>>94417321Was asking in the context of the Empire since you compared it to the Helblaster saying it's more grounded.
>>94417328I guess it isnt more or less grounded compared to the Volley Blaster as organ guns existed in real life too. Both are cool anyways.
Yep, that's going in the bookAnything you want to say for yourself?
So I got the revised fourth edition of the rulebook, but I don't find the mechanism for predicted deaths? Was it really a thing?
>>94417412>Thorgrim putting more grudges in the book that he swore to strike grudges out of glutton for punishment
>>94417490Because he writes them with his own bloody and he loves the feeling of being light-headed.
>>94415328>One time they were playing the jousting game as well.that is surprising to me but I guess it nice thing to do as a hobby project as the rules are free and getting Knights of the Realm or other Knight models is rather easy
Would the swords of the chaos warriors be classified as longsword or bastard sword?
>>94417637they don't use them with both hands
>>94417637Bastard.
>>94414392Cool Blorcs. It takes me a day to make 1-3, although I spend a lot of time doodling chess patterns and other shit. I like the dull, grey metal color. What did you use to make it?
>>94417637Realism aside, it's a bastard sword. If you're confused longswords have a dedicated two handed grip with enough room to change your hand placement allowing for different techniques. Bastard swords are what people call 1,5handers with grip+pommel long enough to put two hands next to each other.
>>94416862Pity that there were no outsiders in 6th. Not complaining, 6th book is extremely well written and solid but I love them mounted repeater handguns
>>94418015>outsidersLolYeah, I love them too, good thing that 7th brought them back, bad thing it was 7th that brought them back. I agree that 6th edition Empire is 5/5 (poor halberdiers and engineer aside) but it has everything it needs.
>>94415495yes finecast sucks ass and paying more is annoying as fuck, but the other option is potentially just go without
>>94417637They'd be classified as cartoony goofy swords actually
>>94417637That particular type in your pic is a longsword. It can't be properly held in a two-handed grip, but there's more space than the bare minimum required for a single hand.
>>94418233Don't forget 6e's bountiful Chapter Approved articles for a few more bonus units to spice the Empire right up.
>>94417637only very specific swords really count as bastard swords, it is a bit of a meme name that used quite rarely historically yet people love to throw it around in fiction. Nearly all straight bladed doubled edged cross hilted swords longer than a metre can count as longswords, it is the default term from the dark ages on.
>>94419449>Nearly all straight bladed doubled edged cross hilted swords longer than a metre can count as longswords, it is the default term from the dark ages on.We don't use "dark ages" (wtf man) terminology to avoid confusion since many different weapons operated under same name, many distinct weapon types had no specific names in known sources and period terminology was changing non stop. Not even getting into territory of regional or the fact that we still don't know what some names refered to.
>>94414279Yes, it's based on the battle report that was on the Chorfs' 4th edition armybook.The High Elves were close to win that one, but wasn't enough to defeat the stubborn Chorfs.
>>94419449>Nearly all straight bladed doubled edged cross hilted swords longer than a metre can count as longswordsAssuming they have two handed grip you mean.>it is the default term from the dark ages onvery few dark are swords reach 1m in lenght lol
Is using special characters unlocking specific army composition cringe or not? Not a fan of named characters but I'd like to build an all forest spirit Drycha army in 6th edition
>>94419551you misunderstand, I'm not saying longsword was the contemporary terminology from the dark ages on, I'm saying that historians use the term for european swords of that grouping from the dark ages or end of the Roman empire onwards. Hence why most of the swords in the LoTR movies count as longswords. But it is a very general term used for earlier swords also, but medievalists recognise it particularly.
>>94419604Ah, ok. Indeed I misunderstood.
>>94419329Yeah, they had quite a bit of focus during 6th. In "official" terms (ie. red stamp) Empire got Boris, young Valten, Wolf Priest and Steam Tank I think. Knightly Orders customizer article was very cool though.
>>94419589I personally really don't like it. Special characters should only be used for narrative games, in my opinion. The army building rules should give you as much freedom as possible without having to rely on detachments or special characters giving you special rules. Are the tree people special/rare in 6th?
>>94419589You can make an all forest spirit army with normal list, glamourwave kindred spellwaver or wild rider lord notwithstanding there's a treeman ancient lord and branchwraith hero. Dryads are core anyway.>>94419745No, they have something in every slot. Drycha army however gives you a special rule where you don't have deploy units at the start of the game and can move from any wood afterwards. Kinda green knight or beastmen ambush mechanics. As for the special characters it all depends imho, speaking of 6th I think I'd give blind Eltharion the pass since he removes that idiotic 0-1 from swordmasters and you don't have to roll for even more idiotic intrigue at court, but that's just me.
Why do elves wank to Aenarion so hard while it's Caledor who was the real hero? Former was a great warrior with great beginning sure, but after he got Sword of Khaine he turns into a total asshole + the business with Anlec and Morathi. Caledor literally saved the world.
>>94419929wizards are coprotags, not protags
>>94417637Obviously it's a katana.
>>94419929Because elves are retarded
>>94419873>blind EltharionWhy blind?
>>94420149because for a time eltharion the grim became eltharion the blindbut the storyline got retconned
>>94420149This >>94420166And it was fucking cool.
>>94420166Did any other character got two versions? Not counting valten or ET stuff.
>>94420464does boneripper count?
>>94420529isn't each Bonripper a different Rat orge?
Can you use the Lore Familiar to take 2 signature spells and something from there custom lore?Or is it drop 1 and then roll 3 randomly?
>>94420550Yes
>>94420550technically, yesbut also the robot one is specifically the corpse of the first boneripper
>>94420464Rules wise? Mannfred had two versions in 7th ed army book
>>94420568Was it just a skeleton on skryre tech or are skaven into necromancy?
>>94420166>but the storyline got retconnedWhy?
>>94419745>The army building rules should give you as much freedom as possible without having to rely on detachments or special characters giving you special rules.I disagree, if a special character unlocks some unique playstyle option then they are good provided said characters are not broken and that unique playstyle option is not just "this op unit becomes core". I prefer themed lists though, something like Rites of War from HH or what warmachine did. Pros and cons.
>>94420599turned a character who main nemesis was a Greenskin into another High elf with a grudge against Dark elves would be my best guess
>>94420556Got my question answered elsewhereI'm just dumb
>>94420599Probably Gav Thrope threw a fit because he didn't like the story where Eltharion managed to whoop Malekith's (aka Gav's favorite chatacter) ass and send him fleeing. Therefore he had to be removed and Thorpe was free to write his broken ass op Dark Elf armybook for 7th. What a fag.
>>94420556I know someone else already gave you an answer, but I think anons should know the following things regarding arcane, lore and spell familiars in TOW.1) While the arcane familiar allows you to pick spells from 2 lores, you can still only replace one of the spells your wizard knows with a signature or army lore spell. 2) The lore familiar prohibits you from taking an army lore spell. As the lore familiar allows you to select, rather than randomly generate, your spells, you cannot replace a randomly generated spell with a spell from your army lore. 3) The spell familiar is weird. It's generally not worth giving to a level 4 wizard, as those 15 points are better spent elsewhere and most lores only have 2, maybe 3 good spells.As for my personal opinion regarding the familiars:Honestly, I think the arcane familiar sucks. There's no getting around it, it's just bad. It's cool, conceptually, but it doesn't really do anything and it makes it so that your level 4 might end up getting 4 garbage spells from two different lores instead of 4 possibly good spells from one lore. The fact that lores have bum spells is a problem in and of itself, though.The spell familiar is extremely strong on paper, as spell casting is not limited by power dice in TOW, but as I explained above level 4s don't want it. It's really good on level 2s though, so if you're like me and you run a lot of wizards, give every single level 2 you can cram in to your list a spell familiar. You won't regret it. The lore familiar is obscenely overpowered. For 30 points, it's a steal. Not being able to take an army lore spell is annoying, but who cares? Slap it on a battle mage and he'll have fireball, pillar of fire, arcane urgency and a 4th spell of your choice every single game. Slap it on a daemonologist and he'll have the summoning, steed of shadows, daemonic vessel and daemonic vigour every single game, etc. It's so strong that it makes every other arcane item irrelevant.
>>94419651>Knightly Orders customizer article was very cool thoughWas it crunch or fluff?
>>94420599every fluff development around or following storm of chaos got walked backand I guess they wanted to keep selling the big old metal griffin model
>>94420939Yeah, this. Situation similar as with Eye of Terror campaign for 40k.
>>94420882why did GW give so much power over elf lore to a man who on multiple occasions has talked about how much he hates elves and likes dwarfs instead
>>94417637Judging by the handle (one and a half hands) and the wide blade, I would say that it is a bastard sword specialized in cutting.For a normal person it would be a great sword.
How do you convince an ogre that eating humans is bad wrong?
>>94421788The important place to start is why
>>944199291. GW really wanted a tragic King Arthur/Fingolfin analogue in the setting to set the tone for the race/hype up other models by association2. Elves were (allegedly) at complete peace with the world before the coming of Chaos, so the notion of the first person to sacrifice everything to stand up and fight back resonates harder even if he went off the deep end later (and even if Caledor was apparently figuring out a solution out in his own way before meeting Aenarion)3. Leaders and authorities in general tend to get better press than technicians and specialists, especially if they have a strong stage presence. Whether this is deserved or not likely depends on whether you think Caledor could have succeeded without an army to buy time for his ritual. For what it's worth, going by the novels Caledor himself didn't think he would have even after technically committing treason by starting the Great Vortex without Aenarion's approval4. Because then otherwise the high elves would have to feel bad about Caledor and his disciples eternally sustaining the Great Vortex, an effort pushing them to the brink of madness5. Morathi propaganda/fanfiction about how Naggaroth exists to avenge the injustices perpetuated against her hubby (who never loved her) and his bloodline (nevermind the fact that the next Everqueen-who is part of a lineage with authority predating Phoenix Kings as a concept amongst the elven people-herself was opposed to Malekith's succession, the ACTUAL firstborn of Aenarion was chill with not inheriting shit and Malekith himself didn't contest the transfer of power initially)
>>94421788It's very simple, actually.>Hey, did you know humans taste bad?>Yeah they're into some crazy shit in Stirland, literally eating cow manure and giving themselves new diseases for shits + giggles, that's why humans keep exploding into Chaos Spawn when they try to do magic>Now, if you go UNDER their cities-I'm not saying there's an everlasting supply of delicious giant rats down there, but I am saying you'd be surprised at how long Gorgers can survive in the wild if they find a nice cave that leads underground...
>>94421788Ogres are dumb. You just have to tell them repeatedly. Do it enough times and they will believe it.That and keep them fed so they don't try it.
Has anyone here used a daemon prince or an exalted daemon in 6th before? I was thinking of getting one of the old-school metal greater daemon models and using it in my army, but I've never really looked at the daemon character units in the HoC book. They seem really strong, but I can't decide which mark I'd want my exalted daemon to have. I wouldn't want it to lead my army, so my general would still be my sorcerer lord, but I figured it might be fun to have a big daemon as his lieutenant. I'd have to drop either my level 2 wizard or my bsb to make room, though... but I could accept that if it meant I could use a realm of chaos-era keeper of secrets as an exalted daemon who can use the lore of slaanesh, or a metal GUO so my army could use the lore of nurgle.
>>94421788you can't, might makes rightonly thing you can't do is convince him eating humans isn't convenient
>>94422235>going by the novelsWritten by Thorpe?
>>94422592Ridiculously/disgistingly expensive, take additional hero slot, can only join demons, relatively easy to kill by ranged, instability, best what you can get is 5++.
I really wish geedubz would hurry up and make it so you can’t spend 1000 points on characters So many games devolve into dragontimmy lord and 2 level 4s, with the core tax paid
>>94423686For their Skull of Thrones event they added some restrictions like only one level 4 per 2k so hopefully thats an indication of changes to come next edition
>>94423607nta but I'm pretty sure it was William King
>>94423686all you have to do to fix that non-existing problem is to play 1999 pts
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>>94423955>>94423957Lol really?Every time
>>94423957RIP, too late
