>>94404768
>What Kill teams do you want to see next?
Generic vet guard
>kasrkins and krieg retire next season
>the only 'guard' teams left are ratlings and aquilons

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>>94404768
>TQ
Some form of nids, definitely. Also Grey Knights and Daemons.

>>94404768
>TQ
Firstborn Deathwatch. Until then I consider the game unplayable. Tbf even with Deathwatch it will barely get a pass.

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>>94404871
You will not be missed.

>>94404768
>TQ Deathwatch and nids
Should I paint my AoD as Blood Ravens, Ultramarines or Black Templars, i can't decide.

>>94405003
BR, Smurfs are kinda boring and BT don't fit that much if you do not go full assault.

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>>94404768
>>What Kill teams do you want to see next?
Vraksian traitor militia.

GW should get really 'creative' and start putting out weird ones like Sslyth Webway Raiders or Tarelian Dog Soldiers or Q'orl Swarm. Stuff that just doesn't exist in 40k at all. I would pay for that.

>>94405003
Blood Ravens but customize the weapons to be from other chapters

>>94405048
>Super-boosted genetically engineered ultimate soldiers designed with performing any task imaginable in mind don't fit because a reason
Let me guess, you think that Salamanders should be equipped with flamers only and have 27GB of le ebin Krieg shovel memes?
>>94405003
BT are fun to build because you can kitbash them crude barbaric-like weapons and it still matches the theme. I decided to build an Ultramarines army just to use all those sweet and ridiculously cheap decals they get with every single box.

>>94404768
>TQ
Imperial assassins
also beefed up tyranid neurogaunts

Btw now that they have a system for sanctiioned and unsanctioned teams they should release unsanctioned WD teams.

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>>94404768
Grot tanks

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>>94404768
>What Kill teams do you want to see next?
I would love to see a Team designed in the same way as some of the Warhammer Underworlds warbands, namely a big guy acting as a centrepiece and the main weapon platform accompanied by chaff dudes. Imagine an EC Terminator with his Cultist serfs and followers.

>>94405384
Brood brothers......
otherwise Apprehend The Prisoner
hierotec is a bit like it as well even if the chaff is still kinda elite

>>94404819
Yeah but they're only rotating out for gw tourney play, so who really cares
They'll still get updates for the whole edition

>>94404768
>TQ
Make Warp Spiders a team or give the tyranids a team.

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>>94405100
Execution Force Thots WHEN!?

>>94406298
Yes. 6 operative team. With the HH models it could be possible or not?
Are there 3d models of that picture?

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>>94406338
There's plenty of coomer sculpts out there of the Vindicare and Callidus especially, but nothing tied to that image specifically

>>94406378
Thx but:
I like that pic because they are kinda decent and not like the 3dprints i usually see, with giant tits and bullshit. I want some that could actually be GW sculpts.

>TQ
Teams that feel more like units and less like a group of specific characters

>>94406298
I was thinking, could you use nemesis claw rules for them?
Visionary is the culexus
Skinthief/screecher as eversor/callidus
Fearmonger as venenum
Ventrilokar as Vanus
Heavy gunner rocket launcher or gunner plasma as vindicare
... maybe?

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>>94405232
grot tanks v custodes box when

>>94404768
>TQ
Dedicated Thousand Sons team that doesn't require me to buy multiple boxes
Tau KT that doesn't fucking suck

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>>94406749
>Dedicated Thousand Sons team
holy shit yes please

>>94406749
it's tzaangors

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>>94406919
forgot image lmao

>>94406749
>Tau KT that doesn't fucking suck
My hope is that we eventually get a mixed role XV1x/XV2x battlesuit Kill Team.

Looking to get the Marine vs Plague Marine starter set when it comes back in stock, and it looks like they’re not the same models as other Marines I’ve bought. Never built any “fit together” models before, are there any quirks about them to watch out for that plain glue together models don’t have?

>>94408503
Cut the pins short/off and glue them together instead

>>94404768
TQ: Catachan jungle fighters.
I hold no hope for a full army.
But some solid, non monopose Catachans would be the best.
Something that can be kitbashed with the cadians would be coolest.

>>94405065
>Sslyth Webway Raiders or Tarelian Dog Soldiers.
GW has been remaking old units for kill team like the return of the Arbites (freeing them from the suspected IP hell of Malal, Rak'gol, Slaugth) , the SoB kill team where they don't have the armoured helmet but that nun hat thing that only exsited in like a single piece of artwork before.
I think more niche stuff and kill teams are coming once the last of the aspect warriors get updated. Sslyth kill team would be cool if they don't come with the coming deldar refresh.
>>94404768
More tau aux races like the Tarellians, since they've been in 40k for over 30 years and we still don't have any idea what they look like other than maybe they're crocodile headed reptiles. Croneworld Eldar, tyrand shrikes, chaos ogryns are on my wishlist

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>>94408666
The Catachan Command Squad actually looks decent as it was made a little after their infantry squad, I kitbashed a kill team from them and use the Ork Kommando rules for them

>TQ
I want to see a group of techpriests from different parts of the cult, maybe a few fancy skitarii to accompany them.

Does Tzeentch shooting make heavy bolter better than missile launcher

Does anyone know mind telling what box has the Necron KT list, or at least the box with the most models? I’m really feeling Space Marines having only started recently, but Necrons are really pulling me in as a Xenos faction.

>>94409399
The Hierotek Circle box is still waiting to be rereleased for the new edition, but you could pick up the one from the old edition if you don't mind the cards and such being out of date

The box includes enough models for a full team, but it only includes one of the three available cryptek types

>>94409489
There's no cards in the KT21 boxes, you only miss out on a sheet of tokens by not waiting and paying an extra ~$15

>>94409376
Yeah, pretty much.

>>94404819
>Krieg retires
I thought the same for scions and SoS but they're still sorta there. It's just that they technically can't take their exclusive equipment.

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Kill team idea, tell me if I'm cooking
>Relic Seekers
a Gray Knight team of lightly armed psykers who are sent to seek, well, relics. Although they don't have much in the way of firepower they have a lot of tricks in their pockets, like forcefully repositioning enemies, creating psychic barriers, or even picking up objectives from a range. Lore wise they're not given such hefty weaponry to prevent collateral damage
VS
>Daemon Wranglers (best name I could give em sue me)
Three chaos sorcerors with a pack of lesser daemons at their thrall. A hybrid of chaos cult, vespids, and hierotek in which the sorcerors control and direct the daemons and upgrading their capabilities

>>94409868
>Relic Seekers
I had the same idea in the general thread, a bunch of itner chapter astartes go to recover the armour and weapons of famous astartes who fell in battle, or to old battlefields or forgotten fortresses to recover the machine spirits of the chapters. A tech focused version of the death watch.

>>94409868
I'm not a huge fan of forceful repositions. The hearthkyn dozr one works because of the limitations, but the brood lord mind control is only fair because it's too costly and risky to actually use and the ventrilokar is balanced-ish but not fun to play against
So I'd personally stay away from those abilities

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>>94405065
Im making a Sslyth KT based on Hand of the Archon.
Already got em modeled. Mostly digital kitbash with some minor modeling.
Test prints look good but my printer broke down. Can’t really decide on a color scheme.
I’ll consider making tarellians for the Kroot team.

Any advice on how to build the Farstalker Kinband box rn?

Dumbass question, sorry if it’s obvious/been answered but are compendium teams unplayable? Does them not getting updated rules mean they’re axed or just that they’ll use their old rules?

>>94411907
Officially no longer playable in the new edition, though it's pretty easy to update them for the new edition.

>>94411907
There's no compendium teams in KT24, anon. They just don't have rules and the old ones cannot be used as they exist without homebrewing.

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>black legion kill team has chaos mark restrictions
... isn't like, the entire purpose of black legion that it's everything chaos? Also how is khorne cool with being with tzeentch over slaanesh

>>94406476
>Rusted Steel vs Shiny Gold
That box would be so silly, love it.

>>94412666
You can take mixed marks in this edition.

>>94412959
I must be looking at the wrong waha page then

>>94413008
Wahapedia isn't updated for the new edition yet, at least as of a couple days ago.

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Do you have a dedicated transport for yourteam anon?

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>>94413481
I would buy pic related if DW had a team in the game named after their Kill Teams.

>>94413561
That is the only flyer i own. Last edition it was my narrative base.

>>94413614
Given its appearance at the start of SM2, I hope we get proper primaris DW one day

>>94413481
I have a storm talon on the way for my csm but I'm debating whether or not I make it into some retarded monstrosity with plasticard or just making it look chaotic

>>94409489
I see, I’ll go ahead and wait around for that then, thanks for the info.

>>94408699
>Rak'gol, Slaugth
Anyone who thinks those are an IP issue doesn't know shit about fuck. FFG aren't an obstacle, GW just doesn't care enough to do anything with them alongside their internal original ayys like the Qorl or Hrud.

>>94414435
The q'orl lexicanum page was written by an esl retard but the main source for them still seems to be ffg

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>>94413481
What are pirates without their pirate ship?

>>94404768
>TQ
What kill teams I wanna see?
6 men elite Water castel diplomats who got no ability to deal damage beyond a shitty pistol with a +5. And make the opposing Kill Team a 11 man Sister Repentia KT.

But if it has to be a realistic Kill Team it would be Tau Breachers with special weapons and bits upgrade sprue.

>>94404768
>tq
when's my proppa admech team, james...
if crons can get their weird leader-focused team I can get my tech-priest + retinue.

As a new player should I go Voidscarred Corsairs or Hand of the Archon?

>>94415131
Nemesis claw

>>94415131
Depends on your style. Corsairs are more hit and run, super conservative. Go HotA if you want a more aggressive style.

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>TQ
They bring nothing interesting to the game but I think they're cool

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>TQ
Bring back the actually good looking stealth suits as a KT, add an extra lens or something so the designers feel special

Did the old compendium have stat lines for weapons/unit types not in “Bespoke” team lists? Regardless making custom play harder in newer versions seems a little strange, though streamlining teams might just be better for accessibility.

>>94415423
How are they supposed to keep their lunch cold without their wearable refrigerators?

>>94415538
The albecortes link still lets you look at all the rules for compendium teams, check that

>>94404768
>TQ
Zoats would be my dream team but unlikely. Realistic dream team would be Exodites with at least one dino either as a steed or an operative.

>>94416398
Combine zoats and other minor xenos and you could have a neat xeno merc kill team.

>>94413634
The deathwatch in SM2 are the only things in the game that aren't primaris lmao

New to killteam, are there any old killteams that arent going out of rotation? What can i pick up that'll be safe from getting squatted

I like gellerpox infected but im worried ill only get to play them for a year and i dont see any 40k sheet for them

>>94417606
So note that all teams will stay supported until the end of the edition, they just won't be GW-tournament legal
So for casual play, no biggie
But if you want to be truly safe from squatting, play marines or generic guard and adapt them with a few new members to play them as different teams. You can easily make a marine squad of 20 that can cover multiple marine teams, and a guard squad that can cover vetguard, kasrkin, blooded, wyrmblade, and brood brothers, and expand it in the future in such a way that you can play any other guard or marine team additions to the game.

>>94417620
Based and informativepilled

>>94413481
I've thought about getting a repressor rhino to use with an exaction team, I assume there's STLs floating around.

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>>94415423
I genuinely think going back to the old Stealth Suit design would be an interesting way to demonstrate how the Tau relationship with technology differs to The Imperium. If the new design was unpopular with operators, too expensive, or impractical for real combat operation as opposed to how it tested in an Earth Caste lab then it makes perfect sense to just scrap it and return to a previous more popular/dependable design.

It probably won't happen though. The bubble head aesthetic for stealth suits is just part of them now. Shadowsun and the Ghostkeel both have it, even the new Vespid stealth suit has it. Although all three are less pronounced than the XV25.

It's a shame because the concept art is way better than the final mini we ended up with.

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I've been reflecting on my experiences from the new edition, especially after the tournament a few days ago. I'll probably be making several posts here, bear with me.

Game's absolutely better than before - I mean damn, the new scoring system elevates the gameplay something supreme - but first, there are definitely some balance issues. Given that a majority of my games so far have been against new players I can only comment on a handful of teams, but;
>Angels of Death
Felt fair to play against, susprisingly, at least as another marine team. They only really need a numbers shift, no major reworks. It's a shame too, their abilities look fun and I'm not sure where I'd put their nerfs without making the team feel much less fun.
>Novitiates
Have way too many faith points, they just never run out. If they could be drained of points their dice fixing would feel fine, but as is they're just way too unreliant on dice and accurate and tough thanks to their points. Not sure in what way I'd reduce the points but that's certainly where I'd nerf them.
>Kommandos
Can't believe the most balanced team of last edition remains balanced, with one exception I'll get to later. If you're not picking harpoons as equipment you're missing out btw, with dakka dakka active a harpoon becomes super accurate. Collapsible stocks is also cool, I think if they do need nerfs equipment is where I'd place any nerfs because it's really nice.
>Legionaries
Obvious issue with certain hardcounters, specifically that any team with a majority 4+ to hit, either ranged or melee, just gets completely boned by the slaanesh strat ploy. Outside that I think it's just the same issue as AoD, some numbers need to be tweaked down.
>Breachers
Need more damage output and/or toughness, they just don't hold up numbers-wise.

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>>94418144
So tac ops. Fantastic changes to scoring right, the even split between the three VP sources and reduction in number of tac op options and selections have made my experience so much better. And interestingly, in playing phobos for several games, I've found them to actually favour non-elite teams.
>confirm kill
This is a fine op for elite teams, no need for extra actions. However, AGAINST elite teams it becomes even stronger, with each kill dropping a single token worth 2VP. Your first 3 deaths effectively give up 8VP on their own as a result.
>recover items
Need to test this more, but the reason I've avoided it is you need to get to three locations, two of which your opponent picks, spend an action on each, and then stay alive with those operatives, while also getting all the rest of the job done. Seems difficult, basically, certainly harder than confirm kill.
>Plant beacons
Honestly, just a lot worse than confirm kill. You need to spread out more, and spend extra actions on it. Why pick it when confirm kill is often easier?
>overrun
The one op that seems better for elites than for non-elites, since a single operative can do it for them. Feels sort of auto-pick honestly, if you have access to it.
>storm objectives
3 objectives only should say enough. The biggest issue I see is how easy it is for an opponent to avoid their objectives to deny the opportunity to score it at all.
>champion
Only really a valid pic if either player is marines. For marines you MAY be able to get a double kill. Against marines you just need one guy that is guaranteed to get a kill per turn, so again good for elites but even better against them.

Cont.

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>>94418250
>contain
Might be doable for T2 but once your opponent is aware that you're using it, if they have the activation advantage, they can send one sacrifice into position per turn to block it. Partial points is easy, but full points seems almost impossible.
>take ground
Most map-dependent in the game, for all types of teams. On custom open maps I have to deliberately set up so that it's possible to score at all, and most maps other alternatives are just preferable. Having to get much further than the centre line just makes it much worse than
>secure centre
Seems doable enough, as long as there is terrain for it. I've yet to have a good opportunity though.
>surveillance
Either hot garbage or broken, depending on team. For most teams, having to walk onto the enemy side, pretend to shoot someone, and then not get killed is too slow and wasteful, and for elite teams it's even more so. On the other hand, some teams have it way too easy to score - noteably the kommandos and their grot. Not sure if it's a mistake or not but the card lacks the clause about not setting up, so operatives like the grot and mandrakes can teleport far into the backline and score for free. As elites that can't spare an operative to hunt the grot down, it was free full tac op points.
>implant
Not great for elite teams since you need to leave operatives alive, but against elite teams it works real well. Just like a few others, it works for elite teams but mostly really AGAINST elite teams.
>wiretap
Another that is easy to get partial points for, just drop your token next to the enemy and it's a lot like plant beacons. Getting an enemy to end their turn next to them is unreliable when you have fewer activations though. Still doable.

So yeah. Not a lot of good options for elites. Either matchup/map dependent, or requires hoops and several extra actions to be performed.

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>>94418311
So finally, I have to face one last reflection, which is that I don't really know how to play the game anymore. Like, I can analyze a situation, but my old wisdom from KT21 is misleading. In last edition, relentless aggression and initiative was everything - if you didn't surge forward every turn and score points relentlessly you were fucked, and I've had games won or lost due to an early lead of a single point that stayed all match. T1 forward movement was crucial.
Now that overall gameplan - which I still use for guidance on instinct - is no longer king and needs to be reworked. Seeing a gunline strategy that never moved more than to the centre line even at the end of a game work decently well was an eye-opener, but there are more examples. Against novitiates, I realised that I had an opportunity to steal his objectives and run away with them. That match went to shit, but running back to my drop zone at the end of T2 with objectives in tow was about the one good outcome I managed. Against kommandos, I moved forward with a wounded reiver to riskily contest an objective, but I'm not sure that was the right move in hindsight - he died as a result, I could've probably still gotten the point, and the only reason I did it was because "there is nothing else I can get out of him this turning point". Keeping him back for next turn was probably the better move (that or being more aggressive, risking his death earlier but potentially killing an enemy instead).
Also makes me wonder what misplays I've made in other games so far that are invisible to me, because the path to victory lay along a completely different game plan and the one I was using was just incorrect.

Exciting though. Opening up all these additional strategies for viable use makes these early stages of exploring the game much more fun, just like KT21 upped the gameplay options from KT18. I can't wait for the first major fixes for balance to drop so I can enjoy the game to the fullest.

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>>94404768
What Kasrkin Operatives do Inquisitorial agents typically bring?
Found the team new on sprue for £20 and I couldn't help myself, already own Kasrkin so I have the options

>>94417606
What happens next year at your club? Will your friends suddenly pull down your pants and kick you in the balls if you show up with a team that's not tournament legal?

Just wanted to say that the eliminator being able to park on top of Volkus and take shots in concealment is literally nonsense. How could they not have playtested the mascot faction's team on the new hotness terrain? Eliminator is just disgusting against 10 man teams. There isn't any damn room on the top platform to melee him because of his massive 40mm base! Unless you are one of like half the teams with seek light, you are literally fucked.

Maybe vespids just have a bad matchup against Marines; seems like even with all of the ploys and equipment, 9/10 times, if you are rolling defense dice, you're going to lose the model.

DGAF, almost done with my Blood Angels of Death, so I'm about to be part of the problem now.

>>94419029
Im used to playing 40k but no one plays with legend units

>>94419517
>old space marine heroes set doesn't come with a sniper
I play fair

>>94419517
>sniper on vantage
that was always a problem and already startet with the moroch terrain tower. nothing new, many teams got "concealed position" special rule for that reason but some did not get it what makes it especially stupid.

>>94419599
The issue with the AoD sniper is he can get there really quickly and once he's there he cannot be charged because he takes up the whole platform with his base.
Had it happen a few days ago for me. Was a bit more manageable as phobos because I could remain concealed behind heavy terrain for the most part, but he still dominated one of the objective markers for free.

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>>94418144
>Goofing around with Navy Breachers
>Try out small changes to boost their damage
>Anything makes the armsmen turn into murder machines because of group activation

Its such a bad spot to be in because it's getting to the point where I think the best set up is Endurant+ Sergeant and all Armsmen. Maybe 1 melta gunner. Anything else you're just gimping yourself, especially against elites.

>>94419599
>startet with the moroch terrain tower
I remember massive seething from the oil pump in octarius

>>94413481
Would death guard, have one? I´m pretty new to killteam and 40k as a whole. Is there a fitting model or stl? Would be nice thing to have.

>>94419717
Oh right octarious terrain was befor moroch, my bad.

>>94419735
Death guard generally travel via toilet-based warp portals

>>94419735
Chaos gets told to go fuck itself when it comes to any kind of transport, they get the rhino and the land raider and that's it. Maddening that they don't get any of the flyers or anything

>>94418250
>recover items
>Need to test this more, but the reason I've avoided it is you need to get to three locations, two of which your opponent picks, spend an action on each, and then stay alive with those operatives, while also getting all the rest of the job done. Seems difficult, basically, certainly harder than confirm kill.

Reread it. All you need to do is pick it up, no need to survive

>>94420048
You need to control it at the end of the battle too, and while it doesn't have to be the same operative that's not much different with an elite team since there are 3 of them.
Perhaps there is a strategy where you plan out T2 such that you can nab them and move back afterwards, though. If you can die with them all in the same area it'd be a lot more doable.

I want to make this game as unfun as possible for the opp so they stop bugging me to play and finally stfu about this cringy shit "lore"

Who do I play?

>>94420354
Pick a compendium team that has no replacement like greyknights/custodes/daemons/tyranids and constantly cry about it and homebrew stuff because they are so weak n shit.

>>94405003
Do Tyrranic War Veterans, the most based Ultramarines.

Deathwatch, Nids, Grey Knights, and Daemons would be badass though.

>>94420354
That's the neat thing, you don't! Just complain about how shit the game is, how awful GW are for rotating out teams and be sure to bring up the current metaslop opinions of the Kill Team Youtube taking heads. You'll both make the experience of playing miserable for everyone around you and seamlessly blend in with the community.

>Put together Kill Team
>First time doing anything
>Prime them and set them on table
>Autistic son rages and throws a shoe at the table and snap 3 of them in half
>5 year old daughter screaming crying
>Wife yelling at me to check her blood pressure because she feels faint

Should I just throw it all in the trash now and give up.

>>94421117
WTF is wrong with you all.....
To be the asshole.
1. Beat your son (not literally)
2.why is your daughter SCREAMING ... maybe she is autistic too, get that checked.
3.your wife sound mean and should get some training in calming down if she has such problems and not yell and shit making it worse
4. paint your fucking minies
5. play with others outside of your home so this does not happen again

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>>94421117

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>>94421117
A workshop. Every single man should have a workshop. Thats my space for tools, paints, listening to my music, small fridge and liquor cabinet, ect all behind a locked door. You don't come down unless invited. It dosnt have to be fancy, but it's a spot that needs to be there for your fucking mental health in that situation. Here's a really shitty robo-rat hunter clade proxy i made in mine. It's shit but it's not being destroyed by my pets, girlfriend, or anything else.

Been painting some Assault Intercessors as my first model group, can I use these for Kill Team or is their base size an issue? Wish the board and tokens was easier to get too lmao.

>>94421849
>can I use them for Kill Team or is their base size an issue?
No, Assault Intercessors are on 32mm in both 40K and Kill Team. And, yes, you can use them as part of an Angels of Death Kill Team provided you also have a Sergeant or a Captain.

>>94421849
>Wish the board and tokens was easier to get too lmao.
What does this mean? You can get the tokens with the rulebook or just print your own. The board can easily be replaced by an appropriately sized battlemat, which plenty of places make. You'll still need to provide terrain though.

>>94422144
Huh maybe I should look more into product descriptions, will be getting that then too instead of just downloading the rules
>>94422125
Neat. I made one into a Sergeant, technically have a team ready to go then.

>>94421117
Nah man
>but maybe a rubber my man one of you guys has the tism gene and it's all of you.

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Almost done with Angels of Death, gonna do some more touch ups tomorrow. Just waiting on some transfers to arrive and they'll be complete.

>>94421117
Do you and your family live near a major freeway by any chance? Or some kind of refinery?

Found a necrons battleforce box that costs about $230 after taxes and shipping, as a new player with no collection (aside from the Introductory set and the new starter set) is this great value wise?

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Looking at my Angels of Death team next. I've got a few models to paint before I can run them, but in the meantime I'm cobsidering what chapter tactics I should run them with.
Given that they're dark angels successors, I don't think I can leave out Resolute, it just fits perfectly. However, with the Angels of Absolution being less bound by their guilt I feel that an appropriate way to field them would be to use Resolute as the secondary tactic. That means if they adapt their tactics I'll be exchanging APL immunity for something else. Works both fluff-wise and gives me more fun play options, best of both worlds.
Question is just what the primary tactic would be. I'm currently leaning hard for Duellists, given the DA tendance towards swordplay. Sharpshooters would also be fitting, given their stand and shoot gunline style of combat. I could go Hardy, but I want to give that to the assault sergeant to represent his combat shield as his 3rd tactic. The rest feel less than appropriate for a DA-like chapter to use.
Thoughts?

>>94423569
Depending on wich battleforce box. If it is the new chrismas box that isn't out yet but available for preorder.
the value is not that great especially if you are starting a necron army, most of the value is in the dragon giving you barely an bodys. also it is only around 700 points ingame.

>>94423569
>>94423602
Wrong threat mates.

I want to play kill team on the tabletop for real since I finally have a good store I can play at, but I've never painted or built anything before. Want to build phobos strike force using Alpha legion bits. How hard is kitbashing and painting for someone with no experience in this stuff?

>>94423605
I can't use the minis in that box for some kill team + collections sake?

>>94423612
>How hard is kitbashing and painting for someone with no experience in this stuff?

Surprisingly easy, you get a pretty good result from few very easy techniques. I recommend giving it a try and Kill team is an excellent game for that as the commitment isn't too big

Goobertown has by far the best and most realistic starter painter tutorial

>>94423623
Yeah, that's part of the reason why I want to finally get into it. I'm embarrassed to admit I've really only played on tabletop sim prior, so I want to change that.

>>94423616
There is not a single mini in the box usable in killteam right now.

>>94423632
Throwing physical dice is always more satisfying than virtual dice.

>>94423654
Sad, I was hoping one the Christmas boxes would do no some good

>>94423681
Tautology typhoon. I'll definitely miss the ease of measuring though.

>Want Kriegers and Arbites
>GW refuses to re-stock these teams
why do they do this.

>>94424117
The next wave of rereleases will be pretty soon

Small errata update to a lot of teams just dropped
Some notes;
>equipment updated to universally not allow deployment next to doors
>inquisition pistolier, corsair starstorm duellist, and more can no longer do three fight/shoot actions in a turn
>superconceal abilities work against the seek rule now
>navy breachers lost their extra operative
So yeah, breachers were already bad and now they're much worse
I wonder what sort of gigabuff their operatives will get to compensate

>>94424324
>This is how we fix the 2 box problem for breachers

>>94424398
>also you still need two gunners and the endurant for a decent team so you still actually need two boxes

>>94424433
>only if you STRICTLY follow the assembly guide, you have the arms you have the bodys.

Just proxy breachers at this point. There's now zero reason to buy the box or boxes.

>>94424463
Still needs a 28mm base supplied from elsewhere, unfortunately

>>94424468
Why bother with proxies, the team is now so underpowered that even a good player can't put up a fight

Just don't play Breachers at this point. There's now zero reason to play the team.

>Quit complaining or we'll do the same thing to Krieg.

The app just downloads a new version of the team rules but doesn't tell you if anything changed and what changed

thanks I guess

>>94424772
Supplementary info has any changes plus FAQs, if nothing is there nothing was changed.
Not exactly somewhere you'd think to look but ah well, at least there's some info.

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>INB lost the bonus unit they didn't even mean to add
Woahhh they're so shit now I never want to play this faggot team I was never gonna play anyways ever again!

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So what are the people who don't play Space Marines in 40k doing with their SM in the starter box?

I had a bunch of candles left over from my sisters of battle so im using them as an excuse to try a Sons of the Pheonix paintjob since i've never done white or purple armor before and SotP are aesthetic as fuark.

Whats the consensus on the new Plague Marine kill team?

>>94425009
its still plague marines. slow tanks that are hard to kill but if your enemy is numerous and fast they can hit every objective as you are still waddling down the line. Biggest weakness is still closed quarters which is funny since they are the trench warfare chapter.

>>94425024
Iron Warriors are the trench warfare chapter

>>94425024
I heard their toxic damage was overpowered from some youtube video so I was just curious where /ktg/ would put them on a tier list

>>94425043
Did you never wonder why the death guard wear WW1 helmets and are all about chemical warfare like thematically? they used trench warfare as a way to slowly but inexorably press forwards then assault a enemy command point at sundown when visibility was at its worst. Both made use of trench warfare but for DG its part of the aesthetic but for IW its more of a static defence cold war aesthetic. Similar but different. Like how Dark Angels and Black Templars are both monastic but ones the 5th reich and the others the dark angels.

>>94425064
Entirely depends on what the match is and who is the opponent. I've seen them do very well in wide open tabletops against very strong foes but put a lot of terrain in there to slowly move around and i've seen a guy beat them through sheer speed and numbers with pure genestealers before. Sure if they get in combat those bugs are gonna melt but they are reaching objective multiple turns before most dg can.

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And here I thought the 11 ops for navy breachers was to help with the changes to elites.
Oh well. I'll try them out this weekend and let you all know how it goes. All this really does is makes me take one less specialist so I'm pretty sure I'm just dropping the grenadier.

>>94425081
How do you think they would do against the new Nemesis Claw?

Are Void-Dancers fun?

>>94425094
I was running them without the spare model before the nerf and they're fine. They work best in ITD and/or vs AoE teams.

>>94425125
Nemesis claw is very much a "one list per game type" team. You have your Visionary, maybe two basic bitch marines and then its one of whichever specialists counter your shit. With the visionary being a psyker who can fuck with the flow of battle as is stuff like the icon bearer or the heavy gunner make them a perfect middle of the road. They can roughly go up against anyone but also not win as often as glass cannons or hammers but then of course it also depends on the player.

Meanwhile DG is a lot more just "do i take the blast weapon based on amount of terrain?".

At the end of the day both are astartes, both have a psyker, a heavy weapons guy and icon bearer and i feel like for both in my experience those decide matches, the other specialists decide combat encounters if that makes sense. I just feel Night Lords have a little more freedom to readjust on the fly while Death Guard can be one of those "you know by the end of turn one if you are going to dominate or struggle to catch up" kind of teams.

>>94425325
Thanks for your insight, im newer to the game and I appreciate it

>>94425064
>Plague Marines /ktg/ Tier List
Top Tier A I thought was the consensus. Lacks the flexability, speed and ploys to make it a true S tier pick?

>Oh hey updates released today
Seems to be a whole lot of nothing, no nerfs to Warp Coven and legionary, a handful of adjustments to lower teams (including the idea of Torrent 0 for the Kommando Burnaboy) but nothing major. Biggest thing was cleaning up the equipment (keeping it out of access points making it clear that nubby feet don't give cover), making sure it's clear that 'sneaky zogger' rules are not meant to ignore being within 2" ignores concceals. Vespid probably got the most changes?

Also had a few Joint Ops scenarios involving snipers which is actually the best thing in the update.

>>94425302
Give me your advice. No one at my table plays ITD and I'm constantly having to turtle up the first bit of every game or risk getting hit before I'm in range.

Can Death Guard still take poxwalkers?

>>94425573
Why no legionary nerfs?
Dont get me wrong, as a noob im down for an easy, accessible team that also happens to be top-tier
Im just surprised

>>94425664
Because this update was basically just bugfixes. Unintentional exploits or mistakes, rather than balance issues.

>>94425697
Ah ok that makes more sense then

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>>94425661

Remember when og kill team was sold as small tacticool troops then they sold a fucking full unit of plague terminators for it?

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Im thinking about buying a set of terrain for my playgroup, which one is the most fun? Affordable/available? Balanced?

Im new to KT

>>94425588
Take slugs to take potshots whenever moving leaves you exposed
Play on Volkus and use the strongholds to your advantage (SURELY someone has Volkus terrain)
Win on missions rather than kills
By the way it's written the gheistskull can survive its own suicide bombing
Use your shieldman as a living wall to get your gunner closer
Abuse the shit out of attack/defense orders

>>94424285
Will be gellerpox restocked?

>>94425942
Where do you live?

>>94425963
Usa west coast

>>94425932
Best available right now probably the set of the hivestorm box. (probably also the cheapest set because of that right now)
Balanced is always depending on the types of teams and how you position it, most sets have pros an cons for that, and from my point of few this also counts for fun.

>>94425932
Affordable? Starter set
Balanced? No such thing but Volkus is good

>>94425932
Beta decima
The final destination of maps and also cheap to boot

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>>94425932

>>94426011
>most balanced, cheapest and available becaus everyone hates it.
sounds about right

>>94426011
Its also not fun unless youre a gunline team

>>94426035
Why is it hated? It looks cool like the ocean planet in revenge of the sith

>>94426067
The killzone rules when it first came out had some pretty serious oversights that soured a lot of people on it
Those have since been changed, but opinions remain divisive over it

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>>94426035
>>94426044
Throw in some of the double height scaffolds and you've got a recipe for fun*
*fun not guaranteed
>>94426067
Vertical movement gimps melee teams, the "you can't shoot across the water unless X, Y, or Z" dealy-o, and little to no cover makes it less than popular

>>94426086
Holy shit its cheap what gives?

Are terrain layouts fixed like 40k?

>>94426110
If you do one of the premade terrain kits (Volkus, ITD, Bheta-Decima), yes, otherwise, no
You can ALWAYS ignore them though and do what you like

>>94426117
Are the flying teams gimped on ITD?

>>94426126
abso fucking lutely. Plus you have to pay the Action Tax to open a door so 2 APL teams are also on the weaker side, unless you have tricks up your sleeve

>>94426126
There's really only two "flying" teams now (Vespids with true fly and Clowns with pseudo-fly), but yes any ability that deals with verticality is useless on ITD by definition

Granted, those sorts of abilities also let you move through enemy models which can be just as if not more important on ITD

Also everyone has to pay 1" to move through open hatchways on ITD now, so being able to Fly (which is functionally a teleport) also lets you ignore that cost

>>94426086
Beta decima terrain is kinda nice if you use it without the special rules of the warzone, and more as complementary terrain for other stuff.

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>>94426145
>>94426130
Is this still the best?

>>94426176
Octarius is really good (especially if you use extra rules like doors/hatches), but I think Volkus is as good if not better

>>94426180
What makes volkus stand out for you? The extra level of verticality?

>>94426186
The ruins are almost identical to the ones on octarius, and the strongholds have neat extra rules that kinda make them function as ITD-lite areas

That plus the extra level of vantage also highlights the new vantage rules

>>94426186
The courtyard fucking kicks ass. Feels like a boarding action mixed with octarius

>>94426186
Not him but the more encolsed ruins (from different sides) and the better difference in wall hights in the same terrain piece.

>>94426176
I think it's tied with Volkus for the best.

>>94425972
Then no and also fuck you

>>94426186
I actually like the theme, you can decorate it in a bunch of ways

>>94425933
>By the way it's written the gheistskull can survive its own suicide bombing
Real shit?

>>94425933
There's no way someone would let me gheistskull twice. Is it really worth taking it and the Jammer over two more armsmen? I've been doing pretty well abusing close assault with armsmen.

Volkus could have used a couple more 3rd story spots. Surprising its that sparse for two teams that jump around

>>94426289
skull and cat are one option so to take two more armesmen you would nee to let skull, cat and jammer at home what would make the surveyor obsolet as well.

>>94426251
>>94426289
It can't double bomb but as written it attacks itself with the bomb attack and could in theory survive then exist as an APL leech for the rest of the game. It came in handy when a pesky medic was covering a grenadier to charge with it and just latch onto the medic to prevent the emergency save

>>94425972
Near San Diego? If so I have a lead on where you can get them.

>>94426382
In Oakland sadly

>>94426388
Lame, I saw someone selling the team for $40.

>>94426388
>oakland
RIP

>>94426365
Yeah thats what I meant. I leave both the surveyor and jammer out with the cat and skull then take 3 more armsmen for the group activation.
>>94426366
That's so stupid. I love it.

>>94426460
In 2E this wouldn't be possible because the detonate explicitly says the gheistskull is incapacitated but in 3e it's just the center of the blast and can still save against it

>leave my terrain to go to the restroom
>someone steals the octarius crane
I mean really?

>>94426557
What fucking shitty game store do you visit where you can't leave your shit unattended?

>>94426557
People are fucking animals man.

>>94426638
Oakland

>>94426557
Do they have no cameras? No one saw anything? Or did your lazy ass just ignore it. can happen everywhere, always assholes around if security is lacking.

>>94426557
This is why my Lgs has security cams. Theres one regular that bitches that were under a surveillance state but whatever. Stop most thefts and more importantly fights. Yugioh players cannot fucking behave

>>94426684
No cams

>>94426638
Black diamond games

>>94426557
That peice is fucking big, how did they take it without anyone noticing? If you play there a lot and seeing as you vrought terrain you probably do there should have been someone watching out for your shit
Why didnt you tell your opponent to watch your stuff while you go dookie?

>>94426557
Check facebook market place for the next few weeks

>>94426728
There was a Yu-Gi-Oh tourney at my store and someone was taking their deckbox out of their backpack and the owner saw his gun and knives and told him he cant come around with that stuff anymore
I think he misheard the owner and pulled his knife out and said "i paid the price of admission im going to play my games and then i will leave" and of course the owner told him to fuck off and called plaza security to eject him

>>94426557
Get bheta decima, no one will steal that shit. Even if you leave it at your store for years.

>>94426638
More importantly why dont they have all the kill team terrain?

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>>94426557
>bringing your own terrain to a store
>not using it as your play at home copy

>>94426680
There’s a game store out there? Figured Berkley and SF were the place for nerd shit

>>94426904
Its your move is pretty much it
Games of berkeley for 40k and killteam events

>>94404768
thinking of getting the scouts killteam so i have some scouts for my 40k list. never played killteam before, are they fun to play?

>>94426978
Yes they set up traps

>>94426930
Huh never heard of Its Your Move. Might have to check it out sometime

How is the blooded compared to hand of the archon? They both seem to share a kill token mechanic and seem hordey

>>94428403
HotA are not a horde team, none of the elf teams are

The two play very differently. Blooded actually has an incentive to do sacrifice plays and can run the bodycount to allow it
HotA only benefit from killing the enemy, and don't want to trade if they can avoid it. They're also more mobile as befits an elf team

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>tyranids will never get a killteam

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Whats this for? gallowdark?

>>94428548
Its the next terrain for Volkus. Its a bunker

>>94428518
They don't have one? Or did you mean a non compendium team?

>>94426887
I've left an entire 6x4 table's worth of terrain in the same store since 2022.

Anyone tried running it as coop squads vs horde or any coop forms?

>>94428548
Am I the only one goign to be replacing the Ratlings with Cat Girls?

>>94412666
>how is khorne cool with being with tzeentch over slaanesh
Slaanesh is his opposite and hated enemy? How do you not know this? Sure, Tzeentch is the magic guy, but so is every chaos god including Khorne.

>>94428568
Compendium is gone in the new edition. They don't even have that any more.

>>94429056
KWAB

Dead gaem

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Whens this gonna drop? What do they usually release in the meantime?

>>94429612
There's still another wave of reboxes coming at some point

>>94429620
Whats in the reboxes that isnt in the originals? The chits?

>>94429624
yeah a sheet of tokens and a $10-15 price hike

>>94429612
Probably in january

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>>94429630
Theres a former whale at my store who told me hes not buying anymore after seeing the mandrakes were 80 bucks
I think theyre hitting the limit of what people will pay

>>94429648
FUCK i need more release bros i cant take it anymore

I wonder why 4chan has been so dead the past 2 months. Ive been here for almost 2 decades and never seen it this slow

>>94429837
Should be slower
too much buzz only attracts flies

>>94429837
Anti spam measures

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Looking to proxy some Blooded because fuck me im not buying another 75 dollar box. Lorewise are catachans and cadians even capable of turning traitor? What planet are the blooded from? Which kits would you recommend?

>>94429980
You can just paint them to not be cadian
If you dig around on amazon or ebay you could probably find the old blooded box for 53 bucks
I've seen the normal box of 10 cadians go for around 30 bucks if you have the bits to convert
Could also look for the blackstone fortress traitor guard but I doubt you'll find them at a reasonable price
Could just buy recasts

>>94429997
Thank you ill do that
Just gotta build 4 more troopers

>>94429980
Any regiment can turn traitor in theory
Blooded themselves aren't from any specific planet afaik, they could be from any of countless worlds or even a ad hoc combination of traitor units from different regiments/theaters

>>94430024
>>94429997
Whats playing against them like?

>>94430017
The original set has a fully playable team if you include the enforcer and ogryn, I think only missing some specialists, though 4 more troopers could be made into specialists instead
>>94430031
I only ordered them from ebay a couple days ago but they look fun from the batreps I watched and asymmetric horde teams are cool too

Whats your dream kill team?
Terrain?

Either khorne humans (psychos and prisoners) or a haemonculus with wracks and abominations

Id like to see a hab block apartment with a huge courtyard and 3 levels of height around it with scatter terrain in the middle.

What team do you wish didnt exist?

>>94430082
Vet Guard. Not because I hate DKoK or the sprues or anything they're great, but because they're not very... special forces. They're the guys you send in droves to zerg rush not specialists doing super important missions.
>>94430052
>Dream KT
Necron-mancer team that does something similar to Aquilons where they hot drop models but it's more like the leader is raising them from the ground to kill once more. A zombie horde basically. Also a minor xeno mercenary team
>Terrain
Train. Big train with each "map" being a train cart. Each turning point its movements fuck with you

>>94430052
Terminators. Any chapter. With servo skulls as the mooks
Id love to see organic terrain for once. Like a tyranid jungle from dow2

>>94430052
>dream kt
Literally sexy as fuck daemonettes and a micro keeper of secrets. Probably some twunk as the leader
The opposing killteam will be necron flayers
>terrain
Palace of slannesh with hookah smoke special rules, musk of the demonwhore
The floor is slippery with cum so when someone gets hit by +4 damage or a crit they get knocked back 2 inches and the walls are lined with spikes that do d3 mortals. Id call the box Pain and Pleasure

>>94430224
Please masturbate before typing

>>94430224
>most chaste emperors children main

>>94430082
All guard armies. It just doesnt make sense. Theyre mooks of the setting

>they will release more space marine killteams
Its all so tiresome

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Damn that seems like a lot of book keeping. So a token for each status effect for each mini?

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>>94430396
>we have fabius bile at home

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>>94417990
And their "actual design" is even better than the concept art. The model comes fairly close to the art you posted but with some unfortunate bulges that really failed to translate.

Remember, this is what the XV25 was supposed to look like. A central shape with a flattened "shroud" overlapping the torso. With the halfsies composition of Joint Ops there may be the possibility of a model line expansion into providing more niche design options that could "fit" onto existing models.

All the T'au XV25 kit needs is a blister sized upgrade sprue with two addition torsos (a classic XV15 and "true" XV25) along with two or three additional weapons (Token sprue filler flamer [Ghostkeel style], an Ion [Phased Disruptor? or Cyclic], and some kind of Rail profile), and a couple of backpack doodads for specialist configurations.

>>94430396
I feel like many rule or skill descriptions across many games are written with way more words than they need
>buff a guy with one of the options below
>said guy can only be buffed once
A token sounds fine

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>>94430024
In the Moroch book, they mention a specific regiment name for the Blooded, but its not really important. As you said, anyone can turn traitor, and the rules are just a template for whatever you want to play.

>>94429980
If you have access to prints, there are some good STL sets for traitor guard made by Station Forge as well as Wargame Exclusive and Red Pilgrim. They include all the KT options.
Or you print the scanned GW kit.

>>94424945
I paint them, play with them occasionally and let anyone who wants to play with them play with them duh.

I really don't understand "maining" in kill team. I personally have multiple teams I play with depending of the mood.

>>94424945
>people who don't play Space Marines in 40k doing with their SM in the starter box?

They dont buy the starter box? Or just sell them on ebay?

>>94430512
Damn those look aggressive

>>94430509
So an operative can get one of the buffs only. But can they recieve heals after (rejuvenated stimm)?

Whats the CHEAPEST team i can build? Me and my friend are playing from a third world country

>>94430694
You can build angels of death from 6 intercessors/assault intercessors, it wont be optimal but it's possible

>>94430694
Split the starter box

Can I use area terrain like forests and craters in kill team or does it just have to be ruins?

>>94430694
Any space marine team
Get some from free from the other players or buy the one in the store's used minis case

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>>94430694
Literally everyone has extras or sprues they dont plan on playing

>>94430705
This

>>94430694
The ones you 3d print..

Does every team have a sniper / comms / healer guy? Is there any that are missing them?

>>94430805
No, I'd say most teams are missing them.

>the other player when you bring your own terrain

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>>94430831
Forgot the pic

>>94430713
Help pls

>>94430859
Why not. Ruins and hard corners are just easier for the LOS system

>>94430880
Would forest and craters slow down people

>>94430880
Actually, you could make area terrain easier.

>>94430713
You have to get creative with how it counts cover, but something like this;
>crater
If an operative is wholly within the crater, it is in light cover
>forest
If an operative is wholly within the forest, it is in heavy cover; if cover lines go both in and out of a forest area, visibility is broken (that is, you can't shoot through a forest area)

>>94430887
There are no official rules for them but you could easily homebrew some movement penalty there and have them give cover / obscured.

>>94430834
this picture makes me very uncomfortable

>>94430805
i would guess around 1/3 of the teams have all 3 type, 1/3 have some of those type but not all and 1/3 have none of those.

>>94430932
The ones that are missing them what do they get instead?

>>94430935
Without looking it up I think it's mostly elite teams so they get tankier bodies and better weapons

>>94430935
Some get other tricks like mandrakes have tons of shit. some get just tankier like marine teams. voiddancer have mobility and damage, blades of khain attack power, vespids fly. fellgore have mini second lifes, gellarpox have minions stuff like that.

Anybody know where I can find Pdfs of all the ITD season rulebooks? I just want the layouts for the narrative missions

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Finished my first plague marine :D

>>94430992
Very cool but I'd apply some wash.

>>94430992
Nice!!

>>94431005
I put some agrax earthshade on it but i think the light makes it harder to see

>>94404768
TQ: tzzentch demons with a scribe on disc leader6