Fast attack editionPrevious thread: >>94395818>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics>HH1 Black Books<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>NqlCmSpI>HH2 Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>1rki2Q6D>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Q61izSiS『Adeptus Titanicus and Legionis Imperialis』>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>IukARSLT>Legiones Imperialis Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Fi9kQSwB>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread question:What are you working on anon?
Finally started painting the spartan transport for my laser destroyer rapiers.
>>94407328Deredeo dread and holy sit whoever okayed this carapace arrangment was a crackhead because it leaves more gaps than in their teeth
>>94407328These aren't the finished pictures but I finished two Predators and a vindicator this morning, I was hoping to get the metallics done on the other 5 tanks today but then I got pulled into helping with a birthday shower and I have no idea when I'll get home.
>TQThe divisive seeker squad from last thread might be coming together. Idea now that they are all psuedo-criminals tasked with very dangerous insertion missions. They go helmetless as a badge of shame and also because of all the scooopes
>>94407429Seaker squad ConstipusJoke aside nice scopes
>>94407328Adding wiring gubbins to the macharius omega. Need to add more to the side.Got the gun primed while the weather was good the other day.Trying to decide whether my dudes bothered repainting it in the warband's colours or if it should just be flat out stolen and stripped down and if so, who was it stolen from...
What is the base size of Preator and centurions/consuls? 40mm? AoD ones comes with 40mm bases but Fenrir Rann comes with a 32mm one.
>>94407550All praetor models that came before and after the AoD character models are on 32 mm. Those shitty AoD praetors are still somewhat of an enigma. Why are they so oversized compared to everything else in HH, why the details that don't really fit the HH aesthetic, and why are they the only non-terminator praetor models that come on 40 mm?
>>94407591It's the 40k phenomenon of "da boss is bigga"
>>94407591Because bigger is better. This is why Imperium have guardsmen/imperial army who are just average, then there are space marines who are bigger, in 40k you also have primaris marines who are better and are taller, so legion praetor who is best of the best in marines legion will be bigger, custodes are way bigger than marines and way stronger and better than marines even primaris or praetors, of course at the end of the spectrum there are Primarchs who are the biggest and the strongest humans, and the Emperor was also fucking huge.tl;dr bigger=better
any 3d print files for MK3 breaher shields? (and maybe helmets too)
>>94407375>pic relI miss his stuff.>>94407328done:>I have finally decided to settle on a generic mech scheme for the malcador>I painted him in a ww1-esque scheme before this generic mech one and didn't like it so it got scrubbed of him>still considering if I will leave the trim like this or paint it gunmetal>the second sentinel got finished and primed and is awaiting a schemeto do:>finish painting malc>come up with a scheme for the second sentinel>sleep (I have to wake up in 6 hours)good night /hhg/
Does anyone have practical experience infiltrating Seekers inside a dedicated transport? Seems like a points sink but curious if I've missed something in my analysis
>>94407429>Hey Tone, how come we'z clad in Iron armour huh? We're seekers, not some Siege assault vanguard.>Hey yeah, why aren't we wearing mk6? I'm telling ya, all the Warmastah's boys, they're wearing the hottest stuff from Mars.>Hey- it's hard to requisition all this stuff, okay? These scopes, they're expensive. So how about youse two stop complainin', find the target, and shoot straight this fuckin' time, aight?
>>94407863Gem
Where did Lorgar put himself and his brothers in his version Emperor worship? Did he see them as archangels or demigods? And did he name chapters of his space Bible after the primarchs? Is Dorn 3:16 the most well known verse?
>>94407328Another 30 tacticals with bayonets, and a 5 man rotor cannon squad. Slow going. I really need to clear some space so I can paint (which will clear even more space from pending stuff), but I've been in a pretty rough place the past week and just haven't worked up the will.
>>94407833Barely, to be honest. Infiltration plans got foiled, so the Seekers and Headhunters were recalled into an Outflank instead (Master of Lies).The Land Raider was intercepted to death, but that was expected from 20 autocannons. And the Multi-melta Rhinos had no worthy targets to be honest.Overall...success, as the transports ensured 30 operatives were delivered to the insertion point, instead of 30 BS5 corpses. They were like>Aight we hoof it from here on
>>94407833Infiltrating seekers in a Rhino shrinks their footprint, making it easier to hide them behind terrain. It also protects them from Str 4 shooting, but most importantly it doubles their mobility. And once the seekers disembarked you have a metal box to block the enemy spartan's movement with, tank shock HSS to potentially make them run off the table whilst also doing a bunch of Str 6 hits, block LOS of enemy shooty units... Rhinos are so versatile, I love 'em. For the mere 35 points a Rhino costs, it definitely is worth the investment. Even if at it does is make a more expensive unit waste a turn shooting at it.
>>94407952The nordic's Aesir v. Vanir war can be seen as a historic conflict between opposing ethnicities with conflicting pantheons. Meaning religions can recognize the existence of other religions different from themselves.So could Lorgar recognize the divinity of the Emperor, but also the existence of The Four.As for the other primarchs that didn't accept his truth, Lucifer and all the other fallen did spring from God didn't they.>Lorgar adored the God Emperor of Mankind, which wouldn't manifest until thousand of years into the future, but being a warp entity, is atemporal, and has always been and will forever be.
>>94408019Thanks for the input. I always wondered how Lorgar ran his Emperor religion.
>>94407833A Rhino with a multi-melta has worked well for me in the past, but if I know I'm probably not going first, it gets sent to Outflank instead. If you get lucky and pop a big transport containing their warlord, you're free to blast his ass with kraken bolters afterwards.
>TQputting together a melta support squad for my ghost legion, featuring the Grand Augur himselffirst cohesive squad im making rather than all the haphazard practicing i feel i've been doing until nowwaiting for the new melee sprue to make my squad sergeantStill not really sure what I want to do for elites for my army but i like the idea of veterans, just dont have a vision for how id drip them out yet
>>94408083that pesky XXth legion managed to hide away in another post
>>94407328Finishing 10 tacs and some Dominators tomorrow hopefully. Stripping a Predator and maybe a Contemptor, hoping for some helmets to arrive and starting to paint my Iron Havocs, and maybe making a start on the final 10 tacticals.
Did anyone make a scan for the martian civil war book for 30k? Or the less cooler imperialis one?
>>94408172Yes.
>>94407550>>94407591>Dont use this general for months>We are still arguing and complaining about this
>>94407591>>94407673>>94407706It's worse because it's very clear they were made to a normal scale... and then they just increased the size of them in CAD for... reasons? The backpacks are mostly identical to Mk6 ones just... bigger.I really want to know what happened in the design studio. Did a suit demand the characters were on 40mm and this was a way to appease them?
>>94408217You guys and your suit posting is so rich your inability to complain about modern warhammer designers/artists and think it comes from the suits is laughable. If anything the suits are the few people we can trust as according to ADB a suit is what forced him to stop female custodes years ago
>>94408201good stay away loser dumbass we are happy here
>>94408247...we are happy?
>>94408201Well the models still are outliers, they didn't start any sort of trend.
>>94407328Rewarding myself for finishing my vets with some dreads. Got some bit to attach yet, the deredeo doesn't quite look as brutal as I want it to yet. Might add some spikes or meat hooks and maybe some more chains or hang some skulls
>>94408311And I'm not super sold on the mkIV arms on the mkV dread, so it might get a multi melta instead of the flamer
>>94407328Just finished up another seeker, taking a brief pause, then hoping to burn through the rest of my deliverers a little quicker.
>>94408201i am kit bashing a castellan for my ZM force and i wasn't sure what to use, last time i built a GW miniature the stormraven just released.
>>94407328>>Thread question:>What are you working on anon?My will to live
>>94407863Thanks anon, this is now canon. The unit are word bearers legionaries that have been found wanting. They are mockingly referred to as the "Lorgar's Last and Lost" but have grown to enjoy the nickname and now call themselves the Last Word.>"It's the enemy commandah! Plug em, boys!"
>>94407328>What are you working on anon?Scatterbrained over what to work on next. Working on DA but really want to paint Templar skewed IF. Also, a box of SA and the Command Squad that I'll probably just use for Kill Team
>>94407328Dreadnoughts arouse me in sexual manner.
>>94407328This winter's goal, finish all the militia infantry. Tomorrow starts the mass production of chain axes and pistols for the levy bricks
>>94408782Do you have models to paint? Do you consider your hobby another chore that you have to perform in order to meet the vague expectations of some unknown third party other whose judgement sits on your shoulders despite not being a corporeal person? Does the state of your backlog haunt your every waking moment and do you have models you've forgotten about stashed away somewhere in storage that you could dispose of with no consequence but you cannot bring yourself to because of the imagined responsibility you've foisted upon yourself?If so you probably have some issues to work out and I recommend dispelling your down with more material possession.
Why are the World Eaters so poor?
>>94408217>Did a suit demand the characters were on 40mm and this was a way to appease them?They're just bigger than life bro
>>94409005Probably because of the low market price of bronze.
>>94409019They should have invested in silver and gold. Solid investments.
>>94409021Sure but the proliferation of forge worlds and the hording of their precious metals by the mechanicum means that those prices can be set at will so they're not sound long-term investments. It's the lower quality but more widespread material that you want to invest in to make sure you're settled in the markets that won't waver on Mars-related politics.
>>94407328>TQmy ZM force, struggling with 3d printed bits that makes nuMKIII a little cooler
>>94409045So copper, brass, and bronze are your real go to investments?
Would the Luna Wolves era 16th have more moons and wolves iconography than eye spam or would it be balanced out between the 3?
>>94409055Well bronze is pretty specialized so it has a consistent market but its value doesn't change much. Copper is always sound as the lesser manufacturing worlds are always stirring up demand since they can't suck up the gold for conductivity so it's a volatile stock but it usually plays high. Brass is hard to predict after that business with Monarchia I'm not sure why that one world was driving such demand but for whatever reason as long as the Word Bearers are on an expansionist trend its value is pretty solid.
>>94409103Thank you for clearing things up.
>>94409115Good luck
>>94407328>>Thread question:>What are you working on anon?i'm painting some gay Emperor's Children faggots, but i can't think of what to do for basesi wanted to do some tiles and paint them like black tiles because that's mentioned as being in a few key locations in their flagship in the Fulgrim novel, but i can't find tiles for 32mm bases anywheredoes anyone have any ideas for where i could find something like that, or alternatively just some different ideas for bases? i could just do black sand and paint it like it's Istvaan 5 but that feels kinda generic for Emperor's Children
>>94409204Martian red sands
>>94409103>Copper is always sound as the lesser manufacturing worlds are always stirring up demand since they can't suck up the gold for conductivity so it's a volatile stock but it usually plays high.Hmmmm. very nice to know....
>>94409204Grass and flowers
A buddy of mine runs the heresy scene at my local and I feel terrible because for all the effort me makes in doing events and trying to make hype nobody fucking plays because they're all full of hot air.Fuck me how hard is it to just put your damn models on the table?
>>94409219is Ea Nasir just the IRL equivalent of fucking Erebus?
>>94409315I didn't think Erebus was that much of a chad.
what would be your suggestion for power dagger bits? third party or am I missing a dank kit out there to pilfer
>>94409392The chaos space marine kill team has a few hands with daggers. You may be able to find the arm bits around somewhere.
>>94409086>LW eraMoon and wolves, so more akin to space wolves.>SoHEyes, skulls, chain, eyes>interm periodLess of everything but you get a goofy mix like pic related.
>>94409392Van Saar and Tempestus Scions are some of the few sheathed dagger bits I can think of. Custodes misericorde if you want to be cheeky.
>>94409413He doesn't look that goofy. It looks like he found a good balance. Thanks anyway.
>>94409409Do they even make kits with hand held daggers anymore? Do space marines even get daggers anymore?
>>94409474as the asker, alpha legion get daggers in our armoryno marine kits though other than the couple daggers you get in the chaos marine kill team box as far as I can tell
>>94409086they'd still have some eyes, the EC banner in the AoDR has an eye and was "Commissioned for the Ullanor Triumph" so maybe a couple of years before there even were any Sons of Horusaccording to the imagery in Betrayal, the eye in other legions denotes service with Horus and possible warrior lodge involvement (p111)that's again for EC but in principle even before the eye became the symbol of the Sons of Horus it was clearly well understood to refer to Horus personally, so anybody who had that personal link or campaign link to him would wear it, which is actually pretty normal for heraldry - if you're linked to a more powerful figure, you usually have the right to refer to their heraldry in your own, even if it's your personal heraldryI think there's even some IH who do it in the black books so it would certainly be present among the Luna Wolves late in the GC, for example your man there has the eye on his chest and vambrace and knee but would look just fine with those if he also had a LW icon on his shoulder
>>94409474Only Interemptors get basic close combat weapons these days. Though NL Inductii get fancy shivs.
>>94409552I meant if space marine kits get them anymore. The primaris intercessors apparently have a couple sheathed daggers and 1 in the hand so there's not as much despair as I thought there'd be.
>>94409474the various Primaris murdergoon squads have them (sheathed on one, held on the other), there's an actual gladius short-sword in the UM upgrade sprue, there's like 3 in the 40k Tacticals sprue, a few sheathed ones on the 40k SW sprues; Wulfen of all things have some, but they're like stone knives (mite b cool for cult units in a WB army?), the bayonets in the mkIV box are basically combat knives and the ones in the mkIII/mkVI boxes can be made into them with little issue> Do space marines even get daggers anymore?it's a basic ccw, so you can put them on anything but RAW get nothing additional for having them, even if you have two knives, which is pretty sweet let me tell ya
>>94409578>>94409606oh for 40k yeah I got no idea, what this guy said I guess
>>94409474Use them as bayonets.
>>94409392You can find sheathed knives/daggers at least in the following kits:>Cadian Shock Troops>Cadian Command Squad>Catachan Jungle Fighters>Catachan Command Squad>Tempestus Scions>Dark Eldar Warriors>Dark Eldar Scourges>Space Wolves Grey Hunters>Space Wolves Thunderwolves>Space Wolves Wulfen>Space Wolves Wolf Guard Terminators>Primaris Infiltrators>Primaris Heavy Intercessors>Primaris Intercessors>Primaris Assault Intercessors
>>94409474This is why I loved the old CSM kit, it had daggers, chainswords, pistols and knife bayonets
>>94409617Pics?
>>94409000Checked I have plenty of shit to paint for heresy including a bunch of printed sisters of silence shit. However, my heresy motivation is crumbling fast because I can't be assed with GW anymore. My paint effort has been in other games. I'm trying not to fully let go of 30k since I've been in deep since the Calth, it ain't easy.
>>94409709I'm just saying to give your dudes knives and use bayonet rules. The combat knives SM have are suppose to function as bayonets too.
>>94409617>>94409672Did 5-7e marines have bayonets? All the pics I can find are either 30k bayonets or old era marines. And I know primarines don't use bayonets. During most of 8 and 9 they were a very ranged army actually.
>>94409754You could use them as bayonets. There was no rules for it. For the most part, knives, bayonets and such were just assumed to be the thing the model uses to make their normal close combat attacks. It's various chainswords, etc. that qualified as a close combat weapon.
>>94409778The Imperial Space Marine has a knife as a bayonet on his rifle.
>>94409778Ik Ik. I'm just saying, it's hard to find pics of pre-30k marine bayonets. I know they were there, even if they were mere CCW. I just can't find those bits.
>>94409751Makes perfect sense in my book
>>94409790Yes very kino
>>94409557I thought it sometimes was the Eye of Terra, not the Eye of Horus.
>>94409578>Though NL Inductii get fancy shivs.Yeah to shank their own sarge in a duel kek
Speaking of using knives as bayonets, how big is too big for a bayonet? I got some of those MkIV combat blades and was thinking about using them as sheathed bayonets. There are examples of bolters with rather large sword bayonets, so...
>>94410184if the bayonet is bigger than the gun, then it becomes a gun attached to a sword. Too big is when it becomes too big for a sword at all.
Are HH Space Wolves any less cringe than their 40K version? Are they already WolfWolves but with a superior colour scheme?
>>94409578>>94410121Such a fun take on inductii and so flavourful. I'm half tempted to make a ZM list of NL's just so I can have the excuse of getting to put some on the table. The fact you can force night fighting in ZM too with their RoW means you can turn every match into what is basically a slasher house>>94410197They're far less cringe yeah, but they have a heavier focus aesthetically on viking/shamanistic elements. You could theoritcially run a list without any of that kind of stuff and make every marine something like pic related, but most upgrades and special consuls are very "nordic">frost blades>aether rune armour>callers of the dead>Deathsworn and vargyr units>Jarl praetor upgradeIf you're okay with running mostly vanilla marines without special upgrades or having small amounts of nordic elements then you can play non-cringe SW's, and they'll still be pretty good honestly because of their legion trait.
Bayonets!
>>94410197There's no escape from the cringe.>>94410239>frost blades>rune armour40k SW have these too, so how are they ok but Grey Hunters/Slayers/Stalkers are not?>callers of the deadThat's just rebranded Wolf Priest. Same with Caster of Runes/Rune Priest. Book 7 even refers to Forge Lords as Iron Priests.>Deathsworn and vargyr unitsSlapping "Varagyr" suffix to your "Wolf Guard Terminators" doesn't make them any different. Deathsworn are just rebranded Wulfen.
>>94410239Eh sorta. I'm not really into Inductii having outright better weapons than regular full-marine battle brothers.Also wish a NL inductii gained the Character subtype after killing his own sergeant, otherwise you can't do that backstab trick anymore.
>>94410262Deathsworn are closer to Lone Wolves than Wulfen, seeing how they are doompilled marines rather than mutants. Closer to Moritats, really.Plus, being a viking is better than being a werefurry.
>>94408230>If anything the suits are the few people we can trust as according to ADB a suit is what forced him to stop female custodes years agoguess who's the suit now
>>94410313>Theirs was a curse that was eventually to find its vent in the transfiguration of the flesh, the descent into the depths of the beast, whose predatory taint was found within the minds of those born of the Space Wolves gene-seed.They're not full on muties, but getting there.>Plus, being a viking is better than being a werefurry.Just because you call your grey wolf fursona Ragnar the Grey Yarl and put on a horned helmet doesn't make it any less furry.
>>94410319Imagine a timeline where ADB wasn't such a loser and actually managed to go through with his suicide.
>>94410197HH wolves aren't WolfWolves and their aesthetics are much better space norse stuff, yeah.However, unlike 40k wolves that get shit done all the time, the 30K SW were miserable failures from Prospero to the end of the war that didn't achieve anything and did more harm that good to the loyalist cause. They even had to be saved *twice* from being exterminated (One time by the DA, I shit you not) Their stories read like the life of washed up jocks that peaked at high school (muh "Emperor's executioners") and end up being losers as adults while everybody else has moved on to 6 figures jobs.Seriously, 40k wolves are much much better at their jobs than their ancestors. Russ probably is hiding somewhere ashamed of how bad he fucked up and knows his sons are better without him.If had to do it, I'd go full traitor maleficarum SW in bed with the SoH after becoming tired of Russ weakness. And if i were you, I'd began buying all the 40k plastics kits full of great bits for 30k because they're going to dissapear soon, their primaris update is going to happen soon.
>>94407591>Those shitty AoD praetors are still somewhat of an enigma. Why are they so oversized compared to everything else in HH, why the details that don't really fit the HH aestheticI'm convinced they were designed as EC praetors/consuls, it's the only explanation that makes sense. Just look at the sword guy:>weird gaudy filigree>huge and tacky anime sword>big eagle in the torso>3 smokey ordnance icons in chest and knees (=Siege breaker?)>3 children skulls hanging from the belt>The top knot axe dude head also fits it better (imagine him with white hair)EC are also said to be the traitors most entusiastic about using MkVI, and got the first DP primarch both in the lore and in reality. I bet there was a huge EC themed release for HH2 (maybe against WS?) but GW changed it later to IF/SoH
>>94408319That's a decent way of hiding the Purity seals et al that are on the Castaferrum. Since I collect NL's I just hid mine behind several human skulls.
>>94408319MkIV with Contemptor guns.
>>94410489Pink gun, fresh fucking manny - Yasss king! Slayyyyyyyyyyy
>>94408311this pic convinced me I need a deredeo or three, fuck you ow my wallet
>>94410465yeah that works, think there's room for gaudy as fuck and just straight up weird models like this but them being default praetor look for the edition + in the AoD box is just confusing, the aesthetic clash was really jarring as a new guy to the hobby>sick looking beakies>awesome cataphractii>holy fuck the spartan makes me want to cum>clown patrol praetorswhat were they thinking
In the late 30th Millenium, Lorgar Aurelian released this; The Lectitio Divinitatus, his most accomplished work. I think his undisputed masterstroke is inspiring the Imperial Cult. A concept so obvious most Imperial citizens don't stop to realise. But they should, because it's not just about humankind's innate desire to find a divine explanation to everything, and the importance of finding meaning to one's life. It's also a personal statement about the Word Bearer's themselves!
>>94410361>If had to do it, I'd go full traitor maleficarum SW in bed with the SoH after becoming tired of Russ weakness. Isn't that just Skyrar's Dark Wolves after the ret-con?
>>94409754>Did 5-7e marines have bayonets?GW ones? No. Forge World kits? YES!, Badab War released before Heresy had a lot pics of chain bayonets and boltgun bayonet kits were released for 40k marines first, before heresy was even a thing. No rules tho because it's no diferent from CCW and chainsword, meaning you get additional attack if you have second weapon/pistol. So putting blade on boltgun instead of in marine hand or in sheath make no diferenc pre 8th ed or pre heresy 2.0.
>>94410465>>94410586What's the best use for the plastic Praetors from the AoD box? Just swapping out some parts to make them more palatable? Other Consuls?
>>94411009They can be salvaged into decent looking characters with enough bits from other kits. Otherwise, ebay is your best bet, put the money into other kits.
>>94407328fast attack bike!
>>94409204These are not children, they are clearly full grown adults
>>94410326I'm glad he didn't for his child's sake. A hero when you have a child is disgusting behaviour.
>>94411009I low key want to turn mine into Custodians
>>94410240>Full size sword>The beautiful handguard becomes a gun shield LOVE IT.I wonder if it is possible to recreate that for a bolter, given how short they are – sword bayonets have only ever been seen on full size rifles, rather than SMG-sized bolters
>>94410239>Such a fun take on inductii and so flavourful. I'm half tempted to make a ZM list of NL's just so I can have the excuse of getting to put some on the table.Same here but I have enough projects already
>CerberusXT>be caught following Zoophilia accounts>be caught following Pedophile accounts>still somehow accepted in the widescope of Wokehammer?
>>94411184>sword bayonets have only ever been seen on full size riflesPlenty of old SMGs could take rifle bayonets, inc. sword bayonets.
What about second bayonet?
>>94411197>universe where furries groom child soldiers into furries by means of implanting some other furry dude's seed>drilled wolf assholes incident>main protagonist faction are space monk knights who groom children into child soldiers and pump them full of gene-spermMakes you wonder.
>>94410121>>94409578Its dumb regular NL dont get them.
Completely new to the game, how many of these boxes do I realistically need? One of each weapon set?
>>94411319None to one. It depends on what you want to run and your legion. I only picked one up to build the glorious Word Bearers warpfire plasma support squad
>>94407328Trying to paint a wife for my pretor
>>94411319How much do you actually know about Heresy?
What would be a good alternate gun casing color for this scheme? I was thinking simple black but that's a bit basic.
>>94411424Ruleswise not much, just the core stuff. I mainly lore and want to (eventually) build a thematic Iron Warriors list
>>94411449Special weapons like those mostly only exist in specialist squads - you could run a perfectly functional and fluffy list with no special weapons at all.If you choose to use special weapons, it's down to you how many you want.
>>94411232Someone put a chainsaw bayonet on the new phobos bolt pistol
>>94411483I want someone to put a chainsaw bayonet on the SW pistol.
>>94411543on the top?
>>94411223>>94411232Those two examples have the stocks extended. A bolter doesn't seem to have any, so it ends up being half the size.Sorry for moving the goalpost, but in hindsight it seems the real limitation for mounting a useable bayonet is having a stock.Least of all a heavier bayonet like a power sword bayonet, or a chain bayonet.
>>94411549Where else?
>>94411583This is why boltgun is weapon for space marines instead of normal puny humans. They can use SMG sized guns as sniper rifles just by putting scopes on them, they can just as easy put sword bayonet on them. If you have problems just hit the gym.
>>94411583You can fold the stock. Outside of civilian stabby pistols, there were attempts to make a military bayonet for a pistol.
>>94411430I think if you made it so the entire case was just the same metallic gunmetal as the rest of the skeleton and changed the bracing riveting the guns in place so that they're the same bronze as the rest of his plating it could look good. Either that or just keep the whole thing that metallic green instead of just having a decorative stripe of it
>>94410195>if the bayonet is bigger than the gun, then it becomes a gun attached to a sword.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnSiCsmVsRI
I can't believe this kit is still being sold by GW. It's a goldmine of bits with several characters asking for being turned into 30k praetors/consuls.
>>94411598It's not heavy, just awkward to hold, brother.
>>94411646Main problem with this kit is fact everything is monopose with no options. You either build it or use it for bitz, unlike normal multi part kit, where after building it you still have a lot of unused bits.
>>94411665It's just boltgun with little more weight up front. Don't tell me you have problem holding your .50BMG rocket SMG because there is little metal under barrel. If you do then either hit the gym or find better Primarch because you have weak gene-seed.
>>94411598Bolters were used by humans long before marines were a thing. Despite the size and weight, it's still a nice gun. Like the XM25, which was very liked, until someone realized it counted as a warcrime and they pulled it from service while making some vague excuses that were not, "we've been doing warcrimes this whole time."
>>94411646That white scar biker's sword is a great piece, Cassius is also great just bit himself once you pull the ][ bits off, but too many of the guys are in mkVII
>>94411675Plenty of the models are in parts that are easily swappable with other bits.
>>94411675>monoposethat's just another way to say "hoobylet". Those plastic minis are super easy to customize and kitbash. Swapping heads, backpacks or arms is a non issue unless you're handicapped.
>>94411646Ah yes, 50% of raven guard praetors come from that kit.
>>94411197wait really? is there more details somewhere?
>>94411722Redblade, Donatus, Delassio and Suberei are the only issues. Others got MkVI greaves and Sorrlock is in MkIII.
>>94411722>mkVIIartificer mkV :-)just give them mkVI backpacks and shoulder pads. Leave the naked heads or find mkV helmets from Tortugabay, 3d printed, or recasts.
>>94411709Wasn't reason wht XM-25 was pulled because 25mm grenade laucher with small computer inside bullet had too little explosive and boom was anemic af? Being 25mm it was big enough to not trigger explosive munnition to small arms ban just like .50BMG guns don't.
>>94411009Not using mark 6 at all, and that includes the FW versions. The fact that it's preferred by Raven guard (WAACfags) and Emperor's Children (just straight up faggots) should tell you all you need to know. Everything Mk6 has is strictly inferior to mk4, be is aesthetics or lore.
>>94411646> everyone with a full model Pic gets a cool title> then we have... the iron hand guy.THEY HAVE WRONGED US
Mixed feelings on the new melee kit. Some of it's quite nice, some is trash, and a few bits are easy fixes.Seems like a lot of the weapons got small design changes though.
>>94408201I converted a mortiat out of one of the big guys and kept him on that big base.I also converted a praetor/forge lord out of the other guy and kept him on the big base. That guy is as bulky as a terminator anyway so I will use him as both a normal praetor or a terminator praetor (or centurion) as I please. HH isn't some competitive slop game like other GW products and since I use other 3d printed bits and models I could never go to a GW event anyway. If someone challenges me on it I just won't play them simple as.
>>94409282They sound like a bunch of fags I feel sorry for him.
>>94410197Less cringe but still cringe due to shittier than normal writing> wet leopard growl> the Emperors Executioners (don't execute anyone)
>>944118192 handed thunder hammers despite TH always being one handed weapon and you could even take 2 on single guy and power oar are turn off. Chainsowrds, power weapons and pistols are neat tho.
>>94411009Their armor is so customized it's not really mkVI coded unless you use the helmets (so don't). Just convert them into other consuls and praetors.
>>94411781>Wasn't reason wht XM-25 was pulled because 25mm grenade laucher with small computer inside bullet had too little explosive and boom was anemic af?Those were just one round type you could load into it. Many had simple impact fuses.>Being 25mm it was big enough to not trigger explosive munnition to small arms ban just like .50BMG guns don't.Issue is the purpose in which they are used. White phosphorus is not banned, as it has many uses, but raining it down on civilians is frowned upon. Explosive bullets are fine for spotting or damaging equipment, but not for blowing up people.
>>94411850I fount it quite easy to cut the second hand off, certainly leagues easier than the spear.
>>94411685The problem isn't holding the gun. The problem is swinging a glaive effectively when the handle is shaped like a milk carton
>>94411864>Explosive bullets are fine for spotting or damaging equipment, but not for blowing up people.Anon it's grenade laucher, it's just smaller than M203, reason why it was canceled, was failure to deliver another batch of prototypes, budget cuts and 25mm being anemic explosionwise. It was expensive and heavy while providing weak explosive power, you could carry underbarrel grenade laucher or even MGL with much more firepower for the same weight.It didn't take US army 10 years to notice that gun they were developing was haram war crime, gun just turned out to be not that good and not needed in light of budnet cuts. Same fate came to XM8 meant to replace M4 or M2HB replacement, it wasn't bad weapon, just too expensive with no added benefit to military.>White phosphorus is not banned, as it has many uses, but raining it down on civilians is frowned uponAnon every weapon use against civilian population is banned, no matter if it's incendary, cluster munition, landmines or simple rifle with FMJ, against civilians all are haram, some are just more restricted than other.
>>94411824>I converted a mortiat out of one of the big guys and kept him on that big base.>I also converted a praetor/forge lord out of the other guy and kept him on the big basCan we please see them? That sounds all so interesting >If someone challenges me I'll just not play themBooo. Out challenge them. Call them out on their honour, to have their characters your misbased dudes if they dare!
>>94407429Are those scibor heads?I’ve been thinking of buying from them but have heard that they’ve got a bad reputation.
>>94411835No bro, they execute. You JUST missed them i swear
Loyalist bros, remember it's No Traitor November. If you don't win at least 3 games before the month ends you'll be cursed to have Perturabo's face for a week.
>>94411971>you'll be cursed to have Perturabo's face for a weekThat would be upgrade, so no games this month, got it.
>>94411962I don't normally do this but sure. They have only been primed but whatever.Recast shoulder pads, various admech bits, 3rd party hammer, 3rd party helmets, 3rd party grav guns, AoD big bases.
>>94412004Shit here is the Pic though.
>>94411646I can't believe NL+BA don't get frag cannons in their Legion Armoury
>>94412012NTA but both models are fucking sexo anon, nice stuff. I'm begging you paint them up not because of the usual reasons but because I desperately want to see them in their full glory.
>>94411952>it's just smaller than M203And what do the rules say about using small exploding projectiles against people?>25mm being anemic explosionwiseBeen working just fine in autocannons. Sometimes it's not about the power of the individual shot. Small knee mortars were very effective even when heavier ones existed, because they could be deployed fast and launch multiple projectiles in rapid succession. 5.56mm is weak sauce vs. the 7.62mm, but we prefer the smaller round to the more powerful one.>Anon every weapon use against civilian population is bannedDeliberately targeting civilians which are not directly taking part in hostilities constitutes a war crime. But, ok, replace "civilians" with "enemy combatants". Is it permitted to rain Willie Pete on them? No. But we still use WP.
>>94412037Anon we don't use WP on enemy combatants we use WP to mark positions for things like artillery, drone strikes, etc. We definitely aren't just targeting the enemy combatants ok? It's also used for concealment purposes- we want to conceal our movements so we hit that position, NOT enemy combatants, with WP so our forces can freely maneuver.
>>94411952Maybe he meant using antimateriel and incendiary weaponry on fleshy targets.>Mfw armour research makes smaller explosives no longer effective against materiel...thus making them A-OK against the flesh
>>94412037>25mm being anemic explosionwise>Been working just fine in autocannonsI was just thinking that...but then I thought maybe the vehicle-mounted meters long barrel had something the handheld version just didn't have?Especially when the XM25's most publicized ammo wasn't the HE but the airburst one. I still think that must've had some value.Then I look at Seeker Tempest rounds and know they are worthless.>>94412080
>>94411952>you could carry underbarrel grenade laucher or even MGL with much more firepower for the same weight.What if they replaced it with something like a smaller, 3-shot China lake?
>>94412080>Anon we don't use WP on enemy combatants we use WP to mark positions for things like artillery, drone strikes, etc.Yes, anon, thank you for repeating what I just said. The same way we use explosive rifle bullets for spotting, but shooting soldiers with them is a no-no.
>>94412128>meters long barrelThat doesn't increase the explosive yield in the projectile.>Then I look at Seeker Tempest rounds and know they are worthless.Fuck you. I made 10 Seekers just so I could drop 20 blast markers on a target and I'll be seething about losing that till the day I die of a hurt butt.
>>94412037>And what do the rules say about using small exploding projectiles against people?That it need to be above 400g, 40mm round for M203 or MGL is around 200g.>>94412037>Been working just fine in autocannonsBecause autocannons don't relly on explosive fire but being rapid fired from long barrel autocannon at very high velocity. This is why XM25 is 25x40mm and 25mm autocannon is 25x137mm. 200m/s vs 1000m/s.>5.56mm is weak sauce vs. the 7.62mm, but we prefer the smaller round to the more powerful oneYes because 5,56 is lighter, have lower drop and still enough power to kill when you hit, because soldiers spray and pray either way, so they need more ammo, but now because of body armor being everywhere return to bigger more powerfull rounds is being considered.>knee mortarsEven this are 50mm and fire what you would consider normal grenade, and are mostly replaced by 40mm grenade lauchners.XM-25 wasn't axed because after decade of development army realised it's war crime, it was axed because it wasn't as effective weapon system as army hoped, there were delivery problems and mounting up costs when army was facing budget cuts.>But, ok, replace "civilians" with "enemy combatants". Is it permitted to rain Willie Pete on them? Yes you can, only restriction on incendary weapon like Napalm or WP is to not use it near civilian infrastructure. If your "enemy combatants" are not near civilians you can WP them to your heart's content. Most countries call WP munnition "smoke" even when it's not smoke so the can legally say "we didn't drop any incendary munition on civilian infrastructure, it was just smoke rounds". All weapons are prohibited against civilians, some like land mines and incendary are restricted to not be used near civilians.
>>94412200>That doesn't increase the explosive yield in the projectile.I would guess being fired in series at 1km/s from meter long barrel, would fuck you up fragmentation or not, this is why .50 machine guns are considered dangerous, not that they explode, but they can penetrate wall you stand behind, your vest and tear your body to shreds, and this is just half size of 25mm, not to mention more modern things like 30mm that fire even more powerfull rounds.
>>94412211>>94412174>>94412170>>94412128>>94412086>>94412080>>94412037>>94411952>>94411864Shut the fuck up and take this shit to /k/. Nothing, literally nothing, about HH or any GW 40k weapons have anything close to a relationship with current timeline weapons reality it was designed by idiot British no guns WW1/2 fags.
Has anyone actually played the Burning of Prospero board game? Thoughts? Once I get done my 40k White Scars, I'm going to focus on painting the board game. Been meaning to get The Thousand Sons, Wolves, Custodes and Sisters of Silence painted up.
>>94412170Kinda same. Just underbarrel or standalone versions are preffered because lighter and if you really need firepower then take 6 round revloving GL like MGL that deliver more firepower in simlar weight class.
>>94412037autocannons aren't covered by that agreement (neither is anything the US does, but the US in this particular case ultimately contracted H&K to produce the weapon and H&K is a German company subject to the 1968 St Petersburg Declaration -itself a declaration the Russians suggested because they had perfected exploding general musket rounds and didn't like the idea of that particular small-arms race)other than the SPD the weapon's problems seem to have been mainly to do with weight and reliability, it's a 36-shot weapon coming in at 18kg loaded, never mind additional ammunition; that is not man-portable in the way that the weapons it was intended to replace were, and one Ranger unit in particular simply refused to take them out in Afghanistan because of those concernslikewise the fusing problems (and the fact that it's exploding man-portable ammunition - you get set on fire, you dead; you have to shoot someone close up, you both dead) didn't exactly make it attractive for more widespread usethere's nothing actually stopping the US from owning and deploying this type of weapon except that no other NATO units are going to use them (because almost all are also signatories to the SPD) and, ultimately, you kind of don't want them ending up with rural Tennessee police forces (or Colorado militias) because nobody was paying attention to where surplus ended up and ol' Shell-Shock and Sgt Stolenvalor were running that particular force; likewise you won't want NG units to have them (seriously, you do not want NG units to have Aliens guns of any kind) or these things to leak out by theft or whatever to criminal usagefor that matter there's nothing stopping Zetas from sourcing these things and using them on border patrol but uh prolly best not to give people ideas huh
>>94412274No.And before you ask, never played the stupid Battle for Calth game either (even though it was so well regarded it apparently won some board game award). I remember when those were released and people where throwing the cardboard away in the games store, or just leaving the cardboard on tables.It was PEAK old GW, too stupid to know it's own audience or believe in the stand alone product so they packaged it with a bunch of stupid cardboard that increased the price of the box (both internally and to the consumer) a 100 fold. GW would have doubled or tripled their margins on those boxes if they just would have sold the models.
>>94412272Wrong, we have airburst bolter rounds and we have grenade launcher simlar to MGL. Predators use autocannons. There is a lot of simlarities to modern equipment, Tanks are mostly WW2/1 technology, outside smoothbarrel 120mm gun and APFSDS Vanquisher rounds. Hell there was even Hunter Shell that had guidance simlar to that of Hunter Killer Missile that is just modern ATGM.Warhammer weapons descriptions are often most retarded shit ever, but sometimes writters have some basic knowledge about weapon systems and don't fuck it up.
>>94412322> airburstong gyrojet roundsOh? Please tell> blah blah blahFuck off faggot no one cares go make a 40/k/ thread on /k/ this thread is for the wargame. Historical faggots are the worst.
>>94412211>That it need to be above 400gThat hasn't been the case in a long time. For example:>The 400 gram limit in the St Petersburg Declaration is, in any event, obsolete as states have developed 20mm and 25mm combined-effects munitions which weigh less than 400 grams. The use of a tracer, or small incendiary or explosive projectiles, must be considered to be lawful if it is directed against inanimate military objectives, including aircraft, or is used for range-finding or target indication.So no shooting people with 25mm explosive rounds. At least if you're a Britbong.>Yes you canAnd you can drop a bunker buster on a hospital if you say it was a weapons depot.>All weapons are prohibited against civiliansOnly when it's intentional and they're not directly engaging in hostilities.
We left heresy behind a while back.
>>94412355>Oh? Please tellMetal storm bolt shells have a proximity trigger and a fragmentation head.
>>94412392>haveremind me of the state of metal storm, againlast I checked it was "bankrupt and dissolved without even fulfilling their one government contract or producing anything but the showy million rpm gun"
>>94412294>subject to the 1968 St Petersburg DeclarationIt was 1868 declarationAlso it prohibit everything used by infantry with bullet weight under 400g to have explosive filling, grenade launchers like M203, M79, GP-25, MK-19, ASG-17 all should be prohibited, despite that every army on the world use it.Also H&K going H&K was mostly just to cover up failure to deliver prototypes and it's turbo retarded when you consider that militaries around the world buy and use in training prohibited war crime chemical weapon in form of tear gas, because tear gas used by military is considered chemical weapon and therefore war crime, police can use it as much as they want tho.
>>94412406Niggawatt?
Valrak said this Friday’s preview will be a Loyalist Herald Consul.
>>94412451ah, sorry, with every anon discussing real world shit instead of heresy I assumed the meme gun company /k/ loved for a while.
Finaly decided on a legion, night lords. The build is going to be slow, but I am a new to hobby and to painting, so I don't worry about that. I already have bought some generic models, a box of 20 tacticals, a pretor with a sword and 10 assault space marines. I have no idea how to progress further and I don't have the budget to buy everything. Initialy I would like to keep away from vehicles, as I have no expiriance building any plastic kits like that and the infantry already gave me enough trouble. So what do I do for the first lets say 1000pts as a night lord player? Any of the terminator are good or maybe I should buy more of the tacticals or assault space marines?Also how do people get stuff like jetbikes or jump packs for their heroes. Are those sold in special boxes, or does everyone buy the big unit boxes and takes them from there?
>>94412355Metal Storm bolt shells have proximity fuse and airburst before target. There are also Dragonfire rounds that release bunch of superheated gas to get targets behind cover.>Fuck off faggot no one cares go make a 40/k/ thread on /k/ Nice goalposting. You were proven wrong faggot.
>>94412466RENT FREE!
>>94412200>I made 10 Seekers just so I could drop 20 blast markers on a target and I'll be seething about losing that till the day I die of a hurt butt.I MUST hear about your experiences with 1.0 tempest seekers. How many hits did you land per small blast, on average? Was it too time consuming? Did Ignores Cover really work, seeing mortals could simply save the wounds on their Flak armour?I want to know how 2.0 Seekers feel compared to the previous iteration.
Im trying to find a battle report with someone using Samus in a ruinstorm demons list.This shit is impossible.I wanted to see how well he performs before i decide on getting him at some point for my Erebus Word Bearer army list.
>>94411319Those weapons are mainly for tactical support squads , which kinda suck ATM bc of how overcosted they are. You are probably better off with the heavy weapons>>94411091Very nice, anon
>>94411430green, black
>>94412465Along with the Mk II, Mk V, and new melee dread?
>>94412366>So no shooting people with 25mm explosive rounds. At least if you're a Britbong.This is not a problem because smallest cannon bongs have is 30mm. Frogs, g*rmans, burgers and entire commie block had no problem with using explosive ammo for their 20, 23 and 25mm autocannons.
>>94411646I can't believe they made all that deathwatch shit just to crap out primaris 10 minutes later and invalidate it all
>>94412288>Mfw you could make a carbine be able to shoot a modern guided missile, and it wouldn't matter because it would make sense to just have that be a separate dedicated weapon insteadCustodes weapons are so silly (pic unrelated) :^)
>>94412493They were never worth it for their battlefield performance, but getting into rapid fire range once or twice, and starting the blast lottery was its own reward. Scorpius bolts are more useful now that they're not Heavy, but it's still not enough to make them great at fighting 2+ armour. Should've gone with combis, but that's not as fun. And whoever decided that the Seeker sarge can't keep their bolter and have a CCW, while TSS and other sarges can, can fucking dies in a fire. Same with HSS sarges. They made it possible to model a single-handed heavy weapon, but didn't allow the sarge to take any weapon...
>>94412524Get it because you like the mini, not so much because it is particularly strong and viable
>>94412589>burgers and entire commie block had no problem with using explosive ammo for their 20, 23 and 25mm autocannons.Just as long as they're officially not meant to be shot at people. If there happens to be people next to the target or behind it... fug of war.
>>94412590Anon GW released new Assault and Devastator squads in 2015 just to invalidate it with Primaris Marines in 2017. But yeah Deathwatch with bigger marines came less than year before primaris dropped. It's also kinda funny that CSM got their best ruleset since 3,5 ed codex with traitor legions supplement only for it to be deleted 6 months later with 8th ed.
>>94412596Combi-weapons?
>>94411197Doing degenerate fuck up shit is fine as long as you are on their side. They don't care what you do, as long as you go along with pushing "The Message"
>>94412598>They were never worth it for their battlefield performance, but getting into rapid fire range once or twice, and starting the blast lottery was its own reward.Feared as much. I reckon GEQ are actually a rare profile in 30k, but at least I hope Assault 3 is an okay enough simplification of the Rapid Fire 1 Small Blast then scatter then argue with the other guy about what is and isn't under the blast because no one will ever space their models because why would you ever not stack them in shoulder to shoulder parallel lines? The gun.
>>94412611True. I am getting a whole army and I neither play or am a passable level painter. I just love to buy and own stuff.
>>94412644Sometimes I wish they'd do away with scattering and just use the Apocalyptic Barrage for large blasts and made a smaller version for blasts. That way you just place the marker how you like and roll number of dice equal to the number of hits. At least for direct fire weapons.
>>94412638Combi weapons were very popular in Poland Commonwealth as a 4th and 5th side weapon. Ax guns, and gun estochs were common enought for large number of them to have survived till today.
>>94412598This edition the scorpius rounds are fine. It's 180 points for a squad of 10 seekers, you should not be expecting them to blast entire terminator squads off the board each shooting phase. And for sniping apothecaries, sergeants, and characters plain kraken bolter seekers are the best option if you ask me. Units with nemesis bolters are too expensive, usually can't move and shoot, and getting AP 2 on a 4+ to wound instead of a 5+ is quite a bit more reliably. My seeker squad even has sniped praetors out of their retinue plenty of times, they're easy to under-estimate.
>>94412680>>94412638upps forgot the picture.
>>94412524Winters SEO has a battle report featuring Samus but there's two problems in that it>is members only>is a summon in a thousand sons listI can give the video a quick skim if you want me to give you a rundown on what he does
>>94412611I like the mini and the lore the character has, just want to see how it performs out of enjoyment. If for some reason hes like absolute bottom tier i might still get him and such but probably wont run him as often.
>>94412623I doubt that murrican, frog, german and especially commie gunners of AA guns and IFV like Shilka or Bradley were told to not fire at enemy infantry or fire only with APDS rounds, Bongs decided they won't fire 20-25mm HE munition at enemy infantry while at same time they don't even have 20-25mm weapons in their army.
>>94412690Well, if you want to, im not going to force you. I already know his rules im just wondering if he dies too quickly to gunfire or something. Big mini and all that.
>>94412638More combi-flamers.
>>94412689at least post a nice non infantry one.
>>94412678It would be fine for indirect weapons too.I've never used one of these. So, you are forced to overlap the areas if they are 5" blasts, but 3" small blasts are totally fine with just bordering each other?
>>94412700Alright, giving it a skim now, standby for a summary in a bit
>>94412596>>94412638Most of the time "combi weapon" have it's own drawbacks, like troops prefer standalone grenade launchers and shotguns instead of underbarrel ones because underbarrel one make main gun more unweildy, guns are well balanced most of the time and heavy underbarrel attachment shift it's center of mass toward front.On other hand beside grenade launchers, shotguns Finns created combi flamer during WW2 by mounting flamethrower under SMG. Also heard that Soviets tested mounting hidden flamethrower under Mosin, because having flamethrower that alredy was pretending to look like Mosin wasn't enough.
>>944127433" would be the same, just smaller. Think I've seen some 3rd party ones.
>>94412761Soviets just made a flamer look like a rifle, so it'd be harder to pick out by enemy troops:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_flamethrowers
>>94412687>Units with nemesis bolters are too expensive, usually can't move and shootYou can do that with Veteran Squads since they have relentless.
>>94412478Oh please example the real world examples of gyrojet rounds that we have today that do those thing?You know, gyrojey like the bolter round has been explicitly described as using.I'll wait you fucking fag
>>94412687Anon, we're talking about the different special ammos, not so much about ditching all of those for sniper rifles.I mean, Scorpius > 2 Kraken shots
>>94412796Have you seen the point cost of 5 veterans with nemesis bolters? For only 15 points more you get 10 seekers with kraken bolters, who fire twice as many shots and have BS 5 instead of BS 4.
>>94412804We have them for Russian artilery.
>>94412818Are 10 seekers with kraken bolters fun to use? Not asking if they are the best unit in the game take 3, like contemptors or zuwerens. Just if they are fun to play stock arment.
>>94412818I use them for Pinning purposes because I play NL's.
>>94412820> gyrojet artillery is the same as a fucking bolterOk so we don't actually have them?Ok cool cool good to know you are a stupid faggot.
>>94412794Yes this is what "having flamethrower that alredy was pretending to look like Mosin wasn't enough" was talking enough. They also had experimental small flamethrower mounted under mosin to be even harder to pick.Ironically Soviets took their flamethrower safety most serious of all nations, not only ROKS looked like mosin and backpack, their flamethrower tanks looked almost the same like normal, to a point when they mounted flamethrower on KV tank, they had to swap 76mm gun for smaller 45mm, because otherwise flamethrower wouldn't fit, still they put metal pipe over 45mm barrel so it looked like 76mm gun, meanhwile churchill and sherman crocodile were towing trailer.
>>94412836You could just get a terror squad with a bunch of rotor cannons for that. Thats what i do.
>>94412835They're very fun to use. Though I might be somewhat biased, been using my seekers for a long time and have had a soft spot for bolter marksmen marines with special ammo since Sternguard in 5th edition.
>>94412843I read that when Finns captured some of the Soviet T-26 flamer variants and converted them to have gun turrets (taken from other T-26s or BTs), there was enough room to fit a bow machine gunner as well.
>>94411964Yeah, scribor. Intended for solar aux, but way too big for mere mortals. My anecdotal testimony is that this batch came out great and should make for characterful mooks>Pic contrast blown out to show you better detail
>>94412700Alright so basically>traitor TS vs loyalist DG>turn 1 a lone esoterist on a jetbike zooms forward as far as he can and summons Samus and a squad of daemon brutes who he has joined to>from this summon, samus manages to pin both a nearby breacher squad and a plasma cannon heavy support squad>in the charge phase samus and his brutes utterly destroy the breacher squad, sweeping them and moving back behind some ruins>stray quad launcher rapier batteries attempt to wound samus and his brutes but don't find their mark>turn 2 samus and the brutes move up to the plasma cannon squad; a psyker with the telepathy discipline pins the HSS, and samus and his brutes go charging in>HSS wiped out>they take some stray fire from small arms as the rest of the DG are too preoccupied with other threats (khenetai, scarab terminators etc.), no models lost for samus' unit>turn 3 they move up to charge a massive grave warden unit with the enemy warlord in it but they fail the charge, falling short by 2" thanks to difficult terrain>during the DG turn, they absolutely rinse the squad with alchem projectors and their toxin grenade launchers, killing 3 of the 4 brutes>they then charge in, finishing off samus and the last remaining brute with a high amount of power fist punchestl;dr he manages to survive mostly off of support from allied units covering him and by wiping out any immediate threat that could put him in the dirt. The second he is caught in the open and is unable to get out of LoS or kill whatever is threatening him, he is done for. I imagine your funny plasma guns could help with keeping Samus alive and being a pain in the ass, and doing a similar trick with an esoterist might be a good idea.
>>94412804Nice goalposting with gyrojet.Convinently ignoring all things modern armies use and 40k have, including ATGM, grenade launchers, rpg, autocannons, apfsds tank rounds, 120mm smoothbore tank guns, guided bombs, personal night vision googles and scopes, not to mention autoguns and heavy stubbers that are just straight up assault/battle rifles and machine guns. But of course muh gyrojet goalposting.
>>94412899I see... Thanks for the info, i didnt even know he could join units.
>>94412904Since you are retarded I guess I have to spell it out.Anon said we had airbursting bolter rounds. I said sure show me one. It devolved into 'well Russian artillery....' I haven't moved any posts- anon said we had airbursring bolter rounds. Bolter rounds explicitly use gyrojets in their round (because idiot Br*tish no guns). So where is the real world gyrojet airbursting bolter round? And no, 'artillery' isn't the same as a fucking bolter round.
>>94412865Cool. It there like a specific type of armour the seekers should wear? Or can they be any type of armour or have mixed armour types? I know they use those special resin double scope hybrid bolters, that do look very nice.
>>94412912Neither did I honestly, I also kind of assumed he'd ignore difficult terrain for whatever reason. I'm not too well versed with daemon rules, just reporting what I saw. Do keep in mind Winters' and his guests frequently are stuffing up rules so double check just to be sure.Good luck with your WB's anon
>>94412927>So where is the real world gyrojet airbursting bolter round? And no, 'artillery' isn't the same as a fucking bolter round.I disagree.
>>94412899Sounds like a good game.> winterseoI have had zero respect for that loser since he had a mental breakdown over a lot of discord messages and just abandoned his partner (I hated the other guy but literally quiting on your partner because... le discord messages? What a loser).
>>94412936It can be any armour type, even mixed. The main difference between seekers and other units is usually that people paint them with a bit more cameo, or black armour panels for example.
>>94412936Double scope?
>>94412943Sure, and there are flat earthers and other retards out there who disagree on basic shit, feel free to disagree but know you are both wrong and retarded.
>>94412912>>94412937Both of you are correct, he cannot join units (doesn't have independent character) and has move through cover. Typical WinterSEO game lol.
>>94412943Yes, bolters are miniaturized sturmtiger rocket cannons instead of gyrojets
>>94412956if you disagree about Vindicators (and demolisher cannons in general) being literally the same as Sturmtigers, you're the one wrong and retarded
>>94412927Bolters aren't gyrojet retard. Gyrojet have rocket motor only, boltguns have normal propelant inside case and are fired from barrel like normal firearm, once bolt round is outside barrel rocket engine ignites pushing bolt even further. So it's not gyrojet.You are such faggot.
>>94412936Just bigger optics on helmet. You know bigger eye. Mark use whatever you want, but MK III is least suitable as "heavy breacher armor".
>>94412958Yeah he has encroaching ruin, wish i could change that though. Eitherway i can make it work no problem
>>94412945>>94412958He’s definitely not ideal but we’re kinda lacking when it comes to content creators who do battle reports that>don’t have terribly painted armies>don’t have terrible looking tables>don’t have camera work and quality that rivals a CCTV camera>posts frequently enoughWe’re eating table scraps here mostly and then we occasionally get a helping serve of kino from something like Heresy Era.
>>94413121Cool So something like this helmet would be okey?
>>94413151Perfect.
>>94412835Yeah. They remind me of Tarkus, when you'd give him dragonfire bolts and the screen would shake and anyone he hit would be thrown to their feet. That is tempest in a boltPlus it's real nice to choose who dies first
>>94413157That is great. I will just have to find a place that doesn't want 20$ for 10 resin bolters and a cloak. Thank you for your help. I guess this fixes my second wave/christmas wave of buying stuff for my night lords. a unit of 10 seekers and a unit of despoilers, build out of a tactical box, melee upgrade sprue and those special bolters. And an medic with ax as a leader.
>>94412836Just use recons.
>>94412200>>94412493>so I could drop 20 blast markerThe warhammer equivalent of trying to run out the clock.
>>94413151Almost exactly what I used for my own Seekers. Looks good to me.
>>94412849>>94413221I do that as well. Plus a Vigilator. Plus Missile Launcher Casta Ferrum, plus Missile Launchers elsewhere, the only thing I'm missing is a Librarian, because I didn't realise how nonsense that one Discipline was.
>>94413324Missile launchers pin? Also youre missing the rapiers that can pin. And some terror squads with rotot cannons. And a punisher sicaran/scorpius.
>>94413324Librarian is great, i put him in my night raptor squad. Vigilator in Recon squad and a scorpius. Probably enough pinning for my liking.
Someone spoil the eidolon novel for me, please.
I just remembered ankle balls being discussed in the last bread and I gotta ask: are they just a detail or have an official function? regardless of armor mark.
>>94413360I wanted to like it, but it's weak. Just Eidolon being sidetracked on his way to Terra, fighting against himself or some such bullshit, and eventually reaching Terra anyway. He's not even an entertaining asshole, just a seething and uppity baddie.Here you go:> https://gofile.io/d/JB8FPN
>>94413391They're called gyroscopic stabilizers
>>94413391Either reinforced ankle joints or stabilisers.
>>94413391Not that it's explained. MkII and III have extra large rivets there, so maybe it's got something to do with interfacing the book to the leg armour. Sort of cap to protect stuff underneath. MkIV-VII didn't have them visible, but doesn't mean they couldn't be placed under the armour. Maybe the initial idea was to protect them, but it made maintenance harder, as you had to remove the greaves first, or cram your tools to a tight spot between the boot and greave? Considering various suits have disks on joints, ranging from Indomitus to just about all MkX suits to some extent, it could reinforce this idea.
>>94413412>> https://gofile.io/d/JB8FPNOh thank you. Time to ctrl+f some shit.
>>94413452More like alt+F4 lmao
What in the absolute fuck is this shit? Magnus' webway breaking happened AFTER the drop site massacre?? After the entire imperium already knew about Horus' betrayal which the book itself tells you? What was McNeil sniffing when writing this?
>>94413412Thanks anon.>>94413471Wait till you hear about naked World Eater prisoner ripping Custodes spione with his bare hands, or other bullshit this book is known for.As for your question Magnus fucking up was shortly after Horus went traitor, 2 years before Dropsite, Prospero happened before Istvaan III.
>>94413471Congratulations, you just discovered why the following HH novels and most lorefags rarely recognize this book as canon except for a few parts.
>>94413496>Prospero happened before Istvaan III.Did it? The timeline is fucked up and contradictory. Same for Chondax. There's no way to make everything fit in neatly except for "lol, the warpp did it"
>>94413519>ChondaxThe Khan being sent there BEFORE Davin has never made sense.
>>94413496>As for your question Magnus fucking up was shortly after Horus went traitor, 2 years before Dropsite, Prospero happened before Istvaan III.Well yeah that's what I thought, in ATS Magnus catapults himself through the warp in a few days after failing to prevent Horus' fall, he specifically chose this method instead of normal astropathic message because time was essential.
>>94413519>Did it?Yes.>The timeline is fucked up and contradictory. It is not if you simply ignore black library.Problem with Chondax was Horus sending AL before he went traitor.Either way timeline is clear in rulebooks and black books.
Aethon sentinel: how does the pilot enter/exit? Chain ladder, stairs, or can it lower itself to the ground to allow him to step in? Thinking of doing a diorama with hatch open
>>94413519>Did it?Every timeline places Propero before Istvaan since those two were a thing in the fluff.
>>94413587Sentinel probably crouches down and the pilot uses whatever parts of the hull he can to climb up and down. Like tank crews. Few tanks have any proper steps, you just grab onto something, put your foot where ever, and hoist yourself up.
>>94413560BL cannot be ignored, as it's the foundation of the setting, and the Black Books and the rest of FW stuff is also full of holes and contradictions. Typical example: FW saying that Horus hoarded MkIV for the traitors, but then the BA and UM used tons of it as their main suit by the start of the war.The exact order of events and their dates between Ullanor and 6.M31 are handwaved as hell simply because there's too many contradictions otherwise.
>>94413609>BL cannot be ignoredWatch me
>>94413609HH fluff precedes BL by almost a decade. It's even older than primarchs being different than marines.
>>94413609>it's the foundation of the settingFuck off, Aaron.>FW saying that Horus hoarded MkIV for the traitors, but then the BA and UM used tons of it as their main suit by the start of the war.And the Wehrmacht hoarded Kar98ks for themselves, but somehow the SS managed to have their own. What gives, real life history? Why are you so full of contradictions.
>>94413519Horus' betrayal was revealed after Isstvan III. Russ couldn't have been tricked by Horus into nuking Prospero because even if he somehow missed the memo Valdor was there with him.
>>94413624You're fooling yourself>>94413631The pre-BL HH fluff barely filled a napkin. You're living in the BL's 2004 Visions of Heresy/2006+ novels setting with a few gamey twists by FW.
>>94407328>What are you working on anon?Applicable to the fast attack edition.Im working on 2 more Jet bike chosen for my preator retinue Also making a librarian on a jet bike for said retinue. Also can we please make Outriders T5 or 2w? 85 points for 3 bare bone T4, 1W, sv3 model fucking sucks.
>>94413609>BL cannot be ignored, as it's the foundation of the settingIt's not. Horus Heresy was a thing since 1988, before black library even existed, we had characters like Garro or Tarvitz. We got fully detailed heresy before first BL book.BL can be ignored no problem.>FW saying that Horus hoarded MkIV for the traitors, but then the BA and UM used tons of it as their main suit by the start of the war.Horus prioritesised MK IV deliveries to his legions, not MK IV were exlcusive traitor. Ultramarines had entire 500 worlds and allied forge worlds, BA had allied forge world, they had means of getting new stuff, not to mention I don't even remember any piece of fluff saying that UM or BA, or any legion really used it as main suit.>The exact order of events and their dates between Ullanor and 6.M31 are handwaved as hell simply because there's too many contradictions otherwiseSure prove it to me without using BL. Like find single Black Book, or HH2.0 book timeline where timeline from ullanor to Dropsite are diferent than usuall.
>>94413650Exactly. And the timeline is too compressed and everything happened too fast.That's why FW went with Horus already being a low key traitor by Ullanor.
>>944136590/10, work on your bait.
>>94413676>We got fully detailed heresy before first BL book.lol, no. Fake grog. BL's Visions of Heresy was literally the series bible for the HH.>prove it to meSee pic related. From French to Andy Hoare, you cannot escape BL authors because they've been often the same writing the game.
>>94413691Not bait. I unironically shit on idiots pretending that the Black Books were flawless. They were good, specially the Isstvan trilogy, but they had a lot of small issues.And lets not even begin talking about the HH2 lore, lol
>>94413697>See pic relatedIt proves nothing because question was about timeline from ullanor to dropsite being a mess.Also something being writtern by BL author don't make it BL. See Phill Kelly, hist Tau codex and his Tau novel are 2 diferent worlds. Codex is your quite standard fluff of good but naive tau, while his novels have possessed tau, god of greater good or Aun'Va ordering suicide of water caste negotiator who's daemon possessed assistant fucked up.Pre Crusade all BL fluff stayed in the closed.
So how about them combi-weapons, eh? Think we're ever going to get combi-CCWs that can be used as one type of weapon or the other? Like Tyberos' chain lightning fist claws.
>>94413678>Horus already being a low key traitor by Ullanor.wait what
>>94410319He removed the He/Him
>>94413728The timeline from Ullanor to Calth is 100% a mess. Events happen too fast, and there's contradictions and handwaving despite the best efforts to hide/fix it. Signus is streched for two years !>>94413770Implied by the Black Books, which are written from a post war imperial historian PoV. Otherwise it's hard to explain how in barely a few months, Horus went in 004.M31 from being loyalist to a traitor, subverted half the imperium, and set up traps/convinced his brothers. And no, the WB setting up the scene doesn't eaplain it.
>>94413798LinkedIn its not the same as twatter
>>94413812>The timeline from Ullanor to Calth is 100% a messIt was consistent. Ullanor is 000, Davin and prospero 4, Istvaan V and sending all legions far away is 5, 6 is full heresy and dropsite, Calth is 7. Blood Angels were trapped in warp anomally so their week in Signus system took years in materium and they returned to Galaxy after 3 years iirc.only problem is fact that events happen so fast, but timeline was always consistent.
>>94413812>Implied by the Black BooksThe Black Books that are incorrect? Why aren't you quoting your always correct BL novels?
>>94413860The point is that neither are perfect, and those like you that pretend that the BB were flawless are idiots, got it?
>>94413713>I'm not pretending, I actually am retardedThere's a Vallis Marineris-scale chasm between >the BBs weren't flawlessand>so the orders of magnitude worse BL novels specifically are good actually and should be respected as the primary basis for the settingand also enough of this stinking weaselly bullshit of pretending when people talk about Black Library's take on the Heresy being shit they aren't referring to just the novels so you can>Ummm, well *pushes glasses up nose* ACKSHOLEE Black Library also published the Visions books written by Merrett so checkmate fnar fnarit only makes you look like even more of a massive bumboy than you do otherwise.The Visions books had a perfectly servicable outline narrative that expanded on what material already existed and the novel series pissed on that and made it worse and worse with each book they added, with the Black Books doing as much as they could do in terms of selective editing to try and exclude the bullshit introduced by the novels. That's it, that is the factual, objectively correct account of what happened and you can piss and shid and fard and go blubbing to Beaniecuck(if you can get his attention while he's furiously jerking off over finally being allowed to add Stronk Black Kween Custodes, something Merrett previously blocked him from doing which should really tell anyone sane all they need to know about which version of Heresy is shit for fags and which is good) all you want, the reality will never change, the novels will never be good, and you will never not be mocked by all right-thinking people for defending them.
>>94413609>Typical example: FW saying that Horus hoarded MkIV for the traitors, but then the BA and UM used tons of it as their main suit by the start of the war.>horus gave the legions he thought would support him preferential treatment, but the ultramarines managed to maintain logistics anywaysI dont see the issue? The whole gimmick with the ultramarines is that they essentially had their own mini empire going, they could probably essentially supply themselves with all their fief worlds.
>>94413878Point to a single post claiming black books are flawless. You can't, because you made that up to have an argument over nothing. Prospero has preceded Istvaan forever. In 2e Codex: Chaos, 3e Codex: Chaos Space Marines, Index Astartes, etc. Horus became corrupted on Davin since at least 1988 Adeptus Titanicus. All this has been a thing before the black books and before BL.
>>94413881Visions was a (incomplete) series bible already full of purple prose, melodrama, and manchildren primarchs. The early BL novels besides Horus Rising just followed its example. Then they went on with many different levels of quality.The Black Books did a transient attempt at fixing the timeline issues but by no means they achieved it. They also added a lot of issues with their own pet factions and bias (Taghmata, Solar Auxilia) or extra campaigns which had no time to happen. They also barely covered the start of the war and were written from a deliberately unreliable in-universe post-war imperial PoV. They were also initially written by John French and you can see the drop in writing quality after he left, becoming more and more fanfictiony and contradictory untilt the recent Martian Civil War book and their hundreds of traitor IH already in Mars before Isstvan V.They¡re just another source.But the real issue here is that you're not just a seething faggot over invested in overpriced books you need to justify to yourself, nope. You're also a washed out 2010s terminally online culture war faggot making up shit that never existed, only to become the reason retards in the other side create shit like TLJ or femstodes. Shut the fuck up, subhuman.
>>94413976It's not a strawman, just look at this retard >>94413881
>>94413976the black books are flawless
Not enough game posting. Here’s a game I played with my buddy over his house on Sunday. 3k per side and we had a blast.
>>94412894Damn, those are some geezer/boozer/cretin heads. Guess I would only give them to squads I don't like - but I don't play Astartes.I mean... they have ...er... personality, no doubt. But they're suited more for Militia, Necromunda or whatever.
>>94413587The pilot does a pole dance, and the Sentinel simply materializes around him
>>94414192Wasn't this posted last thread?>Unpainted modelsBig oof.Here's a pic of a game for the local beta-garmon campaign. First game for this assault marine sergeant, only finished painting that assault squad recently. They charged a lascannon HSS with MoS that already took some casualties, sergeant hit and wounded with all his attacks and killed every remaining enemy including the MoS.
You don't have these arguments when you play Titanicus
>>94414474Anon I love Titanicus, but no one plays fucking Titanicus
>>94414514Same :(
>>94414514Tfw
>>94414514FUCK Legio Mortis
>>94412894>I'm in the Imperial Landscaping business. Everybody immediately assumes you're all Lodged up. It's a stereotype. And it's offensive. And you're the last person I would want to perpetuate it... There is no Lodge
>>94414514You should try playing regular Titanicus.The fucking part is probably off putting for most people.
>>94413139>Heresy Era>AI voice-over with decent video production>Honestly kind of mid-looking paintjob that boils down to 'airbrush green over 90% of the model and then hit it with nuln oil'I'm not seeing the kino.
>>94415031You're a boring guy.
>>94415053Absolutely seething.
>>94414852>Well, don't you think they should know they have a thief preying on the muster world? >Who? What are you talking about? >Nothing.>Her jetbike was stolen from outside the sisterhood fortress two weeks ago.>The ten speed? Did yo u lock it up?>They used lascutters.>Some Night Lord from the neighborhood. One of the Emperor's Children saw him.>What?>Did i say anything? A Night Lord. Imagine that.>Abaddon!>It's just, you kno w, i can't believe it.>I am not listening to this shit.>Why don't yo u admit it? You're thinkin' exactl y what i'm thinkin'.>Abbadon, what did i say? What, is it my fault you're twice as likely to be robbed by a Night Lord?>That is so fucking racist!>It happens to be a fact.>From who, david duke?>Try the Arbites, i saw it on vox broadcast.>Oh, so now you're quoting the Arbites.
Why is the emperor such a mind numbing retard?
>>94415249He was actually manipulated by the God Emperor of Mankind, who had his future vision show his then-human Emperor what he needed to see in order to assure his own deification. And He was able to do this because warp gods are atemporal, so technically He always has been (and always will be).Essentially the warp vision was right, even if it was also self-fulfilling:The Emperor did seek godhood...but it was the God Emperor who wanted the regular Emperor to be enthroned, not the other way around, and He did it because it was indeed the one future where mankind was strong enough to face the dangers ahead.This does require the audience to assume every other option would've failed because [Reasons], but then there would be no story and everyone would either live happily ever after, or die. This timeline just happens to be that one road.
>>94415344This would actually be a good explanation but the idea of it being necessary for the dangers doesn't really make much sense when he gave chaos their best soldiers, and the only real ultimately grave threat is the tyranids (others are dangerous but survivable, given that humanity survived them while in a much worse state in the long night)
>>94415249Because if he wasn't there'd be no story.
>>94415384But do note it is He who chose Chaos' greatest warriors, and not Chaos itself. In doing so, he made sure they would be human, which also made them be enemies of xenos too.Look into the past, and see all those who destroyed the previous Human Galactic Empire weren't actually humans themselves: daemons poured into realspace from nascent psykers, nightmarish xenos preyed on Man, and unliving robots were enemies to all life.And in 40k, where hellish warriors pour into realspace from The Eye, nightmarish tyranids prey on the galaxy and unliving necrons are enemies of all life...this time around, the hellish guys are human, and fight off the nightmarish and the unliving wherever they find them.The God Emperor made sure that the warriors of chaos are Human Champions. Fallen, yes, but human still.
>>94414907but those tables are just the right height to bend me over
>>94404364 For anybody that cared about the little recast discussion, I contacted dark and he says that he does the casting in resin. I mean I thought the sprue casting part of his messages meant that he did things in hard plastic.I really thought I found a hard plastic recaster lads. I really did.I'm sad now, /hhg/.
>>94415483I feel like saying I told you so but I don't remember telling you that dark most likely doesn't do plastic recasting
>>94415483I feel like saying I told you so but I'm not sure if I called you an idiot
>>94415479Why u horny /hhg/
>>94415483You gotta keep looking, anon. The eternal vigil
>>94411319One is enough for a squad of ten of the same weapon (they all have to take the same weapon, same with HSS), some of these weapons like volkite chargers are also usable on some other squads, and possibly for kitbashing purposes too. If you intend to proxy models as CSM for 40k, you'll probably look to these kinds of kits for having those 1-2 dudes in the squad with a special/heavy weapon, but that's another story.
trying an armor scheme to evoke that “green armor so dark it looks black” for DA. Maybe one last airbrush layer of straight Caliban Green?
>>94415774I dunno if it's the picture but that looks blue.
>>94415841not gonna lie it really looks dark blue green in person, maybe if I up the contrast with caliban then edge highlight a sharp pale green
>>94415483I feel like saying I told you so but I know I didn't tell you that no chinky or zigger is doing HIPS casting in his garage because of the stupid fucking 15 minute timer.
>>94415774I would have guessed SoH before DA
>>94415841>>94415879another two layers of caliban airbrush highlighting, maybe I should just way up the contrast with a deep green. I can’t stand having an idea that I can’t seem to realize
Are thousand sons breachers with pavoni fast enough to footslog up the board without transports?
>>94415997This is going to seem like a ridiculous question, but what does Contrast Dark Angels Green look like over a black or dark grey base?
>>94416236>>94416236>>94416236
>>94415774Airbrush on corvus black then highlight with l*percal green. Only way I've managed to make it work
>>94413609Secondary detected. No, what's in the stuff that comes out of the absolute GW studio is canon, BL is kind of an alternate reality or interpretation of what happened; authors in BL are supposed to remain in canon with the studio material, but are under no obligation to remain in canon with other BL authors. There is a tier of canonicity with GW studio material above BL books.
>>94414514Played my Death Guard backed up by some knights vs. someone's Legio Atarus backed up by some Auxilia in LI yesterday. I think the Titan rules in LI are more fair than I thought, as long as you play it such that a titan on an objective with nothing else captures it (as the core rules say).
