Flavor Text editionPrevious thread:>>94407328>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics>HH1 Black Books<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>NqlCmSpI>HH2 Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>1rki2Q6D>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Q61izSiS『Adeptus Titanicus and Legionis Imperialis』>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>IukARSLT>Legiones Imperialis Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Fi9kQSwB>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread question:What is the best kind of fluff?
>>94416236>Flavor Text editionWhat does flavor text taste like?
>>94416261Marshmallow, of course, on account of how fluffy it is.
>>94415713>eternal vigilAye. It sucks, but hopefully I'll find it. The reason I want the stuff in hard plastic is because in the future if circumstances make me have to sell the models I don't wanna get in legal trouble for technically selling identifiable recasts.
Why are the nu-beakie backpacks so bloated, ugly and unesthetic? They give me the ick
Reposting from last thread, are thousand sons breachers with pavoni fast enough to footslog up the board without transports? I want go do 40 of them but I want to know if I can just 2 sergeants or if I need 4 and to get some termites to cut in half.
Veterans!
Should I get this? It's a whole lot but I'm only looking at making another 10, maybe 15 vets. I only want a few pieces from it but buying them individually is more expensive than the whole set with the voucher James gave me.
>>94416520the rotor cannon(?) is comically large>>94416568Sure might as well, you can trade off the bits or sell them locally or online after
>>94416641Assault cannon. It should be comically large as it is funnier that way.
>>94416645Agreed.
I hate that they made beakies the face of HH and even went so far as to retcon shit to make it seem like every legion used mkvi to great extent including 1ks and IW. Mkiv in the same scale would've been so much better and then they could've released beakies in the slot of the mkiii rescale.
>>94416769yeah but beakies look nicer than mkiv
>>94416442I see your comment, I just don't know the answer
>Airbrush primed 105 dudes>Still another 100 to go
>>94416236>TQBeen a pretty big fan of the recent depiction for fluff in colour plates, where 9/10 times the text implies the unit is dead or MIA and that the data is gathered from vid feeds or estimations recalling what the person looked like prior to battle. I know previous older colour plates do that too, but it seems to happen a lot with the newer ones and I'm all for it
Good morning everyone, hope you're having a pleasant day thus far. I was thinking about making a very small diorama featuring either SA or a few marines fighting against Eldar, but I don't know enough about the faction as a whole to make an informed decision and purchase.As far as I know they had already fallen, so Dark Eldar were already a thing. Is it a case of scaling back the spikey aesthetic a little (in a similar vein to how we do Traitors in HH as opposed to straight up 40K CSM) and/or are any units out of bounds since they didn't exist yet?
>>94417090Maybe use the Visarch as a reference.
>>94416773Wrong
>>94416236Smut. Smut is the best kind of fluff.
>>94417090All the 40k main eldar factions already existed by the GC, although not fully developed. Not all of the Aspect warriors existed, Vect had not yet taken over Commoragh, etc. Corsairs and Dark eldar raided isoanled human worlds through Old Night even before the Fall, since they didn't use the warp for travel. Here's a short GC story about SW vs Deldar during the late GC: > https://gofile.io/d/NYIiWv> https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wolf_at_the_Door_(Short_Story)
>>94417678The Raptor was right and there's even a scene in the Siege books about him doing it.Kharn is delusional and he also wasn't the last to be borne away from Terra, he was killed by Sigismund way before the end
>>94417689Maybe they're talking about different walls.
>>94416769IW were one of the legions who ran field tests with proto-Mk VI before even the RG did. Lorelet.
>>94417678Warp shenanigans time dilation yada yada, you know the drill.
>>94417778>were asked to test out the new suits and provide feedback>didn't like the suits, said as much>feedback is ignored>everyone but them is happyAn IW classic.
>>94417800>The IW wanted a new version of Mk III insteadEven the autism is part of it.
>>94417809>OLD GOOD NEW BAD
For angelposter from previous thread>>94415774 #Airbrush on corvus black then highlight with l*percal green. Only way I've managed to make it work
>>94417825Yes. Now get in square formation.
>>94416442They're slightly slower than running (which they can't do because of Heavy). 10" a turn if you pass all your Pavoni tests, but with the advantage that you're not actually running. Turn 1 threat bubble is 20" with chargers and 34" with bolters, vulnerable to having the sergeants sniped out and to Fear (X) if they have to move past something scawy without engaging it.
>>94417840>marines>rank and square>everModern FW writers are a fucking joke
>>94417090Deldar existed but were not the same, there were no Kabals until M32 so well after the Horus Heresy. But there were noble houses and "Solar Cults" who controlled the stolen suns that power/light Commorragh. There were probably no Incubi - those are founded by Arhra, who betrays the First Shrine (Asurmen's shrine, with Asurmen still teaching in it). Asurmen doesn't become Asurmen until years after the Fall (which is now around 750.M30 with the birth of Slaanesh, though I think that date has been removed from the official HH timeline it still has to be around that time because that clears away the warp storms and permits the Great Crusade to begin) but is probably using period-accurate high-eldar wargear even in 40k.So there's a lead-in time for Asurmen to be created and the First Shrine to train the first Aspect Warriors who become the first Exarchs who establish their own Shrines and become the first Phoenix Lords, though from the sound of it Asurmen is just running Cosplay Club unless Arhra comes back years later to murder them all in costume, because Arhra's supposed to have founded the Striking Scorpions and trained Karandras as well which can't(?) be post-treachery. But still the Incubi don't exist until Arhra/Drazhar founds them.Wyches exist. Haemonculi (and their creations) probably exist though there's some license particularly with their creations to get creative (as fashions change over 10,000 years), but they are probably the "noble houses" of Commorragh as they were formerly leaders of the Eldar Empire. Mandrakes may exist but if including one you might make a nod to/reinterpretation of their 3E looks over their current looks.Also, I know people hate the Aeldari thing, but Eldar is actually an invention of Tolkein and still under copyright and I would assume trademark by his estate, for the same reasons Aeldari is a GW trademark. :)
>>94417926Kabals already existed, see >>94417642They just didn't dominate Commoragh until Vect.
>>94417840Reminds me. Are there even any units in the legions that LARPed like hoplites or phalangites?
According to Valrak:>Plastic Felblade / Glaive>Herald Consul>Ascended Angron in the near future\
>>94417926>No IncubiAh, shame. I love the new figures, and thought I'd use one.
>>94417962Absolutely fucking delusional, LMFAO. The fellblade and glaive got retooled like one, one and a half years ago to be compatible with the plastic sponson weapons sprue. GW would have no reason for doing that if they were gonna release full plastic models for those shortly after.Judging by how his previous rumours turned out, primaris marines are getting plastic super heavy tanks soon lol.
>>94417962>According to Valrak:replace with "Completely baseless speculation:"
>>94417956Going by the Angron primarch novel, that was the War Hounds main thing before the nails. The XII legion signature unit was a elite phalanx with breacher shields and spears.The story makes a point of how the nails made them unhinged and abandoned their traditional way of fighting.
>>94417982>>94417996>in denialHe's right 9/10 times, so i wouldn't bet against him
>>94418007>"Mago strode across the embarkation deck of the Hound's Tooth, quickly inspecting the warriors of the 18th as they stood in neat, ordered rows before him. To the wider Legion, the 18th Company was known as the Unbroken. Since its formation, in even the fiercest of battles, its warriors bore the distinction of having never been routed. In fire and blood its unity and brotherhood had been tested time and again, yet never found wanting.>The front three ranks, comprising the company's elite veterans, stood proud with their heavy body-length shields gleaming. Held edge to edge, with spears ready through the armoured aperture that other Legions used for bolters, they would form the phalanx that had driven every foe that had stood before them into oblivion."Angron, Slave of Nuceria
>>94418011He isn't though. And saying obvious things like 'Daemon Angron coming to HH' that we all know will happen at some point doesn't count. I could go around saying we're getting plastic rapiers until it finally happens, that doesn't make me a reliable rumongerer.
>>94418021>Since the day of the War Hounds’ founding, whether the foe before them was xenos, machine, or even the Emperor's own Thunder Warriors, the XII commenced hostilities according to their own fashion. Theirs was the only method more terrifying to an enemy than the sight of a legionary sprinting towards them, light gleaming from their raised weapon, with a bellow tearing from their throat.>The War Hounds, and the World Eaters they became, reached the range of their blades walking. No robotic silence or hysterical shouts rang out from their ranks, but rather the calm, even tones of bonded brothers, spoken as though they were strolling to the training pits and not into the teeth of their foes. Rare were the times when an assaulting centurion sped his phalanx to meet the enemy at a trot, and almost never at a run.>They simply marched, imbued with an easy, natural aggression, and did not alter their stride as they struck, rolled through, cut and crushed any foe that dared stand against them, relentless and indomitable as the fall of shadow over the land at nightfall. By this tactic had the Legion defeated countless enemies before they had even engaged them, such was the fear sown by this inhuman calm. It was only when the enemy broke, all morale and cohesion shattered as they turned to flee, that the XII quickened their pace. In the final pursuit, running down and executing a routed enemy, the Legion was in every way the hounds of war to match their former title, and later, just as fittingly, those who devour whole planets.
>>94418048>Just walk at the enemy, menacinglyYeah that is not intimidating at all, it just gives you more time to shoot them dead before they get close enough to stab you.Reminds me of that dumb lore GW invented as an excuse for Skitarii not using any transport vehicles, when those got first released. Marching years in advance to where the tech priests calculated the battle would take place, what an absolute joke. Like enemy forces would not spot them and come up with a way to ambush them or something. It's a GW trope that just does not work.
>>94418024He really is though, if you can stomach to listen to the fatman rather than hearing distorted second hand reports. It's understandable if you can't, but it's plain ignorance to think he doesn't have a damn good batting rate.
>>94418011Show me the plastic landspeeders, the Mk II, the Mk V, the New dreadnought, the box set and the other shit he got wrong.I can't actually think of a HH valrak rumour I heard that was right.>>94418078do you have any data on that? because "He's not bad just because someone said so, he's good because I said so" isn't a compelling argument.
>>94418078Sorry but it just sounds like you just got gaslit into believing that, with zero evidence to back it up.
>>94418103>shit he got wrongdid he? GW takes a lot of time to release stuff and may change the order of releases.He did predict correctly DP resin Fulgrim, Ligma, and plastic Mechanicum, so you're the one taling out your ass here.
Well that's a touch alpharisus
>>94417761There were a LOT of walls in that palace.In fact, fuck, aren't they both wrong as the first over the walls in the siege were Legio Mortis with Dies Irae?
>>94418142>did he? GW takes a lot of time to release stuff and may change the order of releases.So anything he's right about is fine, but anything he's wrong about we just have to wait until he's eventually right? What's your cutoff? a year? three? ten?>He did predict correctly DP resin Fulgrim, Ligma, and plastic Mechanicum, so you're the one taling out your ass here.Outside of perhaps fuglrim, all of those were widly predicted everywhere. This thread has unironically had a better track record.
>>94418155The point is that he's been right way more times that he's been wrong.>all of those were widly predicted everywhereWrong, he was the first to mention many of those. You just see it repeated later without context
>>94418146There's one 40k AL character that has found the Pale Spear, so it's probably a BL CSM miniature
>>94418179You present your arguments with no evidence, and I will dismiss them with an equal lack of effort.
>>94418146how many rumour engines have actually been for HH? We had the axe from the librarian, but I don't recall any others.
>>94418191You're the one trying to prove a negative
>>94418186It better fucking not be.
>>94418179You could make the same argument about naffy, and his site is widely considered about as reliable for rumours as The Onion. Just because he happened to repeat non-bullshit rumours from elsewhere along with all the bullshit ones he repeats doesn't make him a fucking oracle, it makes him a clickbait farmer like almost all the "rumour aggregator" fags.
>>94418214He's not a rumour aggregator, and he's usually the first to mention a lot of new releases (Like he did with the Lion, the BA refresh, or now with the SW). For better or worse he's become the go to guy to leak stuff for many people.
>>94418226>now with the SW>Generic marines got a primaris update>Dark Angels got a primaris update>Blood Angels got a primaris update>"The one other non-codex chapter will get a primaris update next!"Fucking prophet. Who could have forseen it. I bet the next marine character in 40k will be a primaris marine! Hell, I bet the next generic kit for marines will be painted in ultramarines colours! My god, I'm so insightful!
Rolled 1, 2 = 3 (2d9)Rolling to see what accompanying loyalist legions are gonne be temporarily allying with some Night Lords to survive against a greater enemy in a shattered legion list>1 = DA>2 = WS>3 = SW>4 = IF>5 = BA>6 = IH>7 = UM>8 = SM>9 = RG
>>94418243He gives details about specific unit remade, not just wild guesses.But you're clearly a faggot unable to admit being wrong, so fuck off
>>94418260>so fuck offNo, I don't think I will. Go advertise your daddy somewhere else.
>>94418245Looks like batman and wolverine will be teaming up, anon.
>>94418146he's out of stock right now tooanybody built one? is he a pain in the ass for some unusual reason? does he break in a weird way?or maybe they're just translating him to plastic as a testwe better fuckin not be getting Omegon rules
>>94418284Weird choice for a first plastic primarch. He's not even that old.
>>94417951good catch>>94417966you can still use them, just change them up a bit to be proto-Incubi
>>94418226People been talking about The Lion coming back to 40k since plastic Guilliman, before 8th edition. Prime example of repeating something that obviously is gonna happen at some point long enough for it to become true.
>>94418284Not a difficult model to build at all, and surprisingly sturdy too. Haven't had anything break off yet.A lot of FW resin models have been out of stock lately, I think it's just production issues as usual.
>>94418301They also out-of-stock them when they up the prices at times.
>>94418282I'm rolling for two legions anon, so it's DA & WS. The scars I could honestly see doing a team up if the need arises but how I'm going to justify DA and NL's working together is gonna require some...finesse. WS' actually seem to synergise in a cool way with the NL's rules wise which works out pretty well for me>>94418290GW seem to really like AL for 2.0. They've gotten a lot of character models and attention in the expansion books they've done recently>showed up at Cthonia>showed up at Beta-Garmon>showed up to take pot-shots at IF on Mars
>>94418329AL are like roaches, they show up everywhere and every time you think you're finally rid of them more show up. GW is pretty much obliged to put them in every campaign book lol.
>>94417840>>94417858If only. Formation fighting is besto fighting >>94417956It actually makes sense for marines to fight in formation, seeing how marines actually seek to be in melee, unlike all other human troops. They are also armoured enough that they don't need to hide from artillery fire.And then you have marines with big shields. World Eaters are seeing use phalanxes in Gehenna, and Iron Warriors use shield formations to hold them down in Deludge.None of them have breacher shield rules or troops, meaning everyone did it.
>>94418329> shitty lazy writers like a built in plot deviceSay it ain't so.
>>94418329>I'm rolling for two legions anon, so it's DA & WS. The scars I could honestly see doing a team up if the need arises but how I'm going to justify DA and NL's working together is gonna require some...finesse. WS' actually seem to synergise in a cool way with the NL's rules wise which works out pretty well for meDA and formerly misled White Scars did team up in Thramas so that works even better
>>94418329I don't see DA teaming up with NL at all.Even the traitor DA aren't really Chaos traitor, it's more 'Caliban independence' until the very end. Neither would want to be around the NL.I honestly think you should roll up another traitor legion (or just pick one you fag) to go with WS. WS I could easily see, terror tactics were definitely something the Mongols did so I could see the Space Not!Mongols having units good at it/who enjoy it. I could see AL or WB (AL for pulling le strings for Just as Planned! And WB pulling le strings for le ebil daemons)
>>94418529Pic related would still be more efficient, just like IRL since the late XIX century
>>94418146It's not that close, compared side to side. It's not gonna be plastic Alpharius I think. Could be AL related though.
>>94418637Both were. It's just that marine infantry often advances and kills so fast, that static firepower plays a relatively smaller role.They key word here is RELATIVELY. SM firepower is great, it's just that their melee is powerful too.And if you are going to do hand to hand combat, you're better off doing it in formation
>>94418650>>94418146It's always been my belief that The Pale Spear is:>1. A necron weaponIt is impossibly old, inhuman in origin, and it deletes flesh into vapour (molecular disintegration)>2. Was guarded by the Soul Drinkers as "Dorn's Spear"Dorn never had a spear. The IF acquired the Pale Spear when the AL lost it on Pluto, but the matter was kept secret. The spear, now with a different name, was passed onto the Soul Drinkers to keep.The AL found out and slowly tainted their geneseed (tests no longer show them being related to Dorn), inducing mutation.Even if they didn't become heretics, the Soul Drinkers did end up becoming renegade...and took the Pale Spear with them into a warp portal, away from defended Imperial Space.Damage control in action.
>>94418696The spear looks more eldarish/old one than necron to me.
>>94418696>The AL found out and slowly tainted their geneseed (tests no longer show them being related to Dorn), inducing mutation.Doesn't it show up in a recent 40k novel, meaning it can't be the spear of dorn since it's picked up elsewhere?
>>94418725Idk bro I dont read
>>94418146>alpha legion kill team upgrade
>>94418146>"Alright guys listen up. We have marine players screaming for basic units, more power armour and more modular weapon packs so they can make their own units...Mechanicum players are anxiously waiting for more automata as well as dark mech additions, and solar aux need just a handful more vehicles before they are practically full plastic. This is gonna be our big reveal guys, so what should we settle on?">"........Plastic Alpharius?">"Perfect, ship it lads."I hope it's legit, only just so I can spectate the ensuing shit fit that'll happen /here/
>>94418696>molecular disintegrationThen it can't be the Soulspear, as that weapon reportedly has the output and effect of a Vortex missile, but way more controlled. And vortex missiles are warp rift tech, not molecular disintegration.
>>94418737That's just business as usual at this point.
The HH reveal will be the rest of the mechanicum robots with the Archamgos on Abeyant
>>94417224The visarch is the dark eldar equiavelent of "pre-heresy" armor. He wears archaic stuff that dates back to the empire proper. Hes that marine that has MkII or MKIII in the 41st millenium.>>94417090Dark Eldar were basically exactly the same as they are now. They had a different social structure, but that has no practical application in this instance. >>94417926>But still the Incubi don't exist until Arhra/Drazhar founds them.Werent the Incubi essentially founded post mortem? They have a different apocryphal tale of ahra and his "fall", so they were either an earlier version of the striking scorpions which went rogue along with their phoenix lord or a sect of devotees who founded their own shrine in Ahras honor/remembrance.
>>94418757If only
>>94417678Id like to have seen those raptor helmets in a pre-heresy version.
>>94418737I still remember the time GW announced 'Huge Reveals!' only to show a video of the plastic cerberus, which they had already shown pictures of in a warhammer community article. Anyway, GW already announced what we'll be getting in the foreseeable future...
>>94418758I don't understand how people can think Dark Eldar didn't exist during the HH, when their entire lore is about them being literal pre-fall Eldar.
>>94418775>Anyway, GW already announced what we'll be getting in the foreseeable future...As a SA player, if "tanks" extends to also meaning aurox transports, carnodons or arvus flyers I'll happily take that. Though knowing how things are nowadays, it'll be the stormhammer and that'll be the only release for SA for another year.
>>94418747That's just imperial propaganda. Just let me link those two in my fanfiction :(
>>94418793>carnodonsOh you mean the tank that got shoved into legacies for no discernible reason?
>>94418758>Dark Eldar were basically exactly the same as they are now. They had a different social structure, but that has no practical application in this instance.I was under the impression the ones in the Webway were criminal underbelly of the empire, sort of hiding at the docks and industrial areas away from polite society. Would imagine since the Fall they had to adapt just like CWE, turning their society into its current form to cope with the situation at hand. Would imagine late empire era Eldar to be a bit cleaner than the DE, but also not as clean as CWE.
>>94418793Personally I'd just use Rhinos as aurox transports, they're literally the same thing. Preferable the old, tiny plastic Rhinos, though would have to find them second hand. Would forgive GW for more tanks if we finally get plastic sabres, really want some of those cute little tanks.
>>94418758>>94418783Dark Eldar were already a distinct eldar sub culture before Fall, but not the typical example of them. The Visarch and the Corsairs kit are what "normal" eldar looked.
>>94418795Hey, as long as you don't enforce your headcanon fanfic upon others, or pretend it's real, believe whatever the fuck you like anon.
>>94418793>>94418813>inb4 GW slaps a mandatory hull gun on both Aurox and Carnodon to stop people from just using Rhinos and Predators
>>94417689>he was killed by Sigismund way before the endBL is not canon.
>>94418783>pre-fall eldarSort of.They like to claim that legacy, but they also underwent their own (de?)evolution just like the craftworlders.The nobles that founded commoragh were too extreme for the eldar empire even during the heyday of its decadence, it was space epstein island/ancapistan, founded far from the eyes of any censor, lawman or tax collector. The social order of commoragh also evolved in its own way, the eldar empire almost certainly did not run in the same way as even pre-vect commoragh.Dark Eldar also dont have access to much of their pre-fall tech, because that tech is often psychically active or requires psychic powers, and is something they either cant (or more often simply arent willing to) use. But yes, dark eldar were basically around and in full swing since year -1 of the fall. >>94418808Not quite, but almost.The dark eldar sub-realms (the commoragh centralization only happened due to vect conquering and forcing the others to merge) were built by pre-fall nobles to provide them with domains with even less rules and oversight, where they could do things even the other pre-fall eldar found distasteful or illegal. It was a place built by and for the worst of the worst. They would have had to adapt to the collapse of their outside holdings and their newfound need to deal with the pull of slaanesh, but otherwise they kept doing what they did. They just now HAD to torture other people to survive rather than just do it for fun. >>94418817The corsairs are almost certainly not, even if they might be closer. But the visarch wears some pre-fall armor, yes.
>>94418817Corsairs are just CWE outcasts.
>>94418800Let me live my little dream anon>>94418813I used to think the same until I got to see an aurox in person. They might take up a similar amount of space, but the aesthetics are different enough that it triggers my autism and make me seek consul with the merchants from the east, which reminds me I need to put an order in for some medical orderlies now that my payday rolled around>>94418838Kino, I'd be down to get a gun on the aurox that isn't a heavy stubber
>>94418826I just thought it would've been cool that it was the same thing. But apparently the Soulspear is more like a vortex cannon that happens to be wieldable as a spear. 2bad
>>94418856>the aesthetics are different enough that it triggers my autismIsn't it a Rhino with a box slapped on top? I believe you are the one who mentioned the Chimera weeks ago.The Aurox could do with a heavy bolter, but it's a long road from there to a Chimera
>>94418869It also has the riveted down trims like the other SA tanks.
>>94418869yeah, the aurox/carnodon is pretty much a second rate Mars mk1 riveted rhino/predator with 2 engines instead of 4, and made for the SA tagging along Astartes.
>>94418869Not exactly; disregarding the side armour bits that change the profile of the tank overall and give it a rounded bum, the angles on the inner sides are pretty different. The front also jags out more compared to the rhino’s flat face, and the aurox has more of a back corridor compared to the larger exit ramp the rhino has. Also square doors > round doors. It may seem like small stuff but it definitely gives the two completely different looks.>I believe you are the one who mentioned the Chimera weeks ago.Not me desu, think you’re thinking of another anon.>The Aurox could do with a heavy bolterEhhh I don’t think it really needs it, and if it was gonna get a mandatory gun I’d want it to be a free pintle mounted multi laser honestly. Paying 10pts for one has me iffy, but if it came free instead, I’d be all for it. Either that or some kind of pintle mounted grenade launcher like the light sentinels get would be cool
I had that dream again, /hhg/. I'm in my favorite hobby shop and it's filled to the brim with every kit I can want including some that don't exist but I can't afford everything so I spend the whole time looking at all these wonderful boxes not being able to make up my mind until I wake up.Also twice now there's been a box of a plastic mkIV ironclad dreadnought alongside a bulky as fuck techmarine and for some reason the techmarine is so vivid I've thought about attempting the conversion but it requires sculpting.
>>94418959>the techmarine is so vivid I've thought about attempting the conversion but it requires sculpting.Just go for it anon, it could be a fun side project!
>>94418959>hobby shop and it's filled to the brim with every kit I can want including some that don't existOh shit anon saw the leaks in his dream>Mfw I dreamed I was at the toiletDreams can be dangerous
>>94418808Corramorgh was always the biggest Webway nexus and has like a merchant orinceling/pirate autonomous entity seperate from the rest if the empire at the time of the Fall. However it still had its own internal 'nobility' or noble families prior to 36k when Vect conquered the city and instituted the Kabal system, removing the traditional nobles from power (but many of the noble families just sort of converted into Kabals anyway, they just lost their hereditary privileges). I'm not sure at this point in eldar history if the Dark eldar had instituted their complete psyker ban/their natural psyker potential had been significantly atrophied enough to make them like they are in the 41st century. Honestly I think the non aspect warrior craft world eldar best represent immediate pre and post fall eldar. Eldar were always highly psychic and they had that built into basically everything in their society. A lot of the craft world tech reflects that. I think the only aspect that would not be as wide spread are the wraith units and spirit stone type shit, as that became more common place as the eldar decline became more pronounced. Pre Fall Eldar, I believe, still had access to essentially reincarnation, according to some sources, but I'm not sure if they lost that due to the effects of the Fall or the effects of the War in Heaven
>>94419019The psyker ban has probably been in effect since The Fall
>>94419019By the late GC, Kabals and the basic aspect warriors were common, anon. And when Eldrad tried to warn an already corrupted Fulgrim (as a typical eldar farseer), there was a wraith lord among his forces.In fact, it seems that wraith units were just the Eldar Empire psychic robots, and they began using them to store their souls very soon after the Fall.
>>94419079The wraithlord gave Fulgrim more trouble than the Avatar
>>94416641The gun itself isn't too large, but the massive drum mag makes it look that way. The gun is normally backpack hopper fed, and that drum is the ammunition container it's supposed to connect to.
>>94419095Even Lorgar was able to mog an Avatar. That's the bare minimum for any named character.
>>94419107it doesn't stop being funny
>>94419079We had a long discussion about it but for the life of me I can't remember what aspects had been established by HH. Dire Avengers for sure, as they were the first. Think Banshees were also among the first as well.
>>94419079The fluff of the HH novels and the eldar/deldar rulebooks is incongruous on some of these points. For example, according to the Iyanden supplement published for 40k 6e, the widespread practice of using spirit stones and infinity circuits didn't become a thing until M33. But as you pointed out, wraithlords and such appear in the HH novels.It's better to just roll with whichever fluff one prefers in this instance.
>>94419171Or we can accept the BL novels are written by people who want to tell a story and don't really care about canon. Ignoring BL is the logical thing to do.
>>94419171I think you could have Wraith warriors even in the War in Heaven, when reincarnation was still a thing: aeldari reincarnate as newborns, which take time to grow, and have the Ballistic Skill of a baby.By using a Wraith construct, you can recall a warrior's soul right then and there, without having to wait decades for it to grow back again.
>>94419095Avatar focused on attacking the daemon sword instead of Fulgrim.>>94419107Lorgar didn't mog an Avatar, he didn't fight any. People jump to conclusion without reading book, because they saw cover. Avatar was on planet in eye of terror and was fucked up from birth of Slaanesh, it was is state you can see it in cover when Lorgar found it, Lorgar just delivered mercy kill on alredy dying avatar.
>>94419079Wraith constructs were created (apocryphally) during the war in heaven to fight the Ctan, their D weapons utilize warp tech and are very effective against the Ctan. The blackstone fortresses use similar technology and are known as the amulets of vaul.
>>94417414Based
>>94419234>Just make up your own lore
>>94419346Unironicaly
>>94416828> _ < wtf are you running
>>94419346This or just ignore some parts - like al lot of the main characters bein imbeciles.
I'm starting my Night Lords army for 30k and I was wondering, if I could use them as Raptors or it'll only be a Standard Assault Squad?
>>94417090Dark Eldar were mostly same, they embraced being sadistic pieces of shits and caused Fall day 0. There were no Kabals, organisations were called Cults and noble houses, Kabals became mainstay after Vect's coup in M35, but in terms of battlefield preformance it was the same, Wych Cults and Haeomonculli convents existed since before Fall, just don't use hex riffles cuz it's M36 invention. Incubi are big maybe becuase their fluff is bit fucky, but if you want them you can have them. So yeah just don't use hex rifle on wracks and maybe come with your own colour schemes for Kabal because Kabals aren't a thing yet.As for Craftworlders Aspect Warriors are present, so are the Guardians, and Wraith Constructs are also there, just remember that at this time Iyanden craftworld known for Wraiths is most populated one and won't spam wraiths like they do in 40k. If you want you can, just mostly guardians/windriders with limited support from aspect warriors because this things are quite new at this time and limited wraiths because eldar don't like it, treat is as necromancy and use it only in dire situations like Iyanden when they lost like 80% of population.
>>94419556Have you done any looking into night lords in 30k?
>>94419171>the Iyanden supplementThis book says that the Fall happened in M32, so it's off by 2+ millenia>>94419557Kabals already existed by the late GC era.
>>94419576Yes, I am doing it right now. If you are asking about my expiriance in Horus Heresy, then I started 4 days ago. So I am not that expirianced.
>>94419346yes, or is your army solely composed of units explicitly referenced to in your precious BL novels?
>>94419634>Kabals already existed by the late GC era.First Kabal, Black Heart transform from Cult into Kabal in M33, almost 1000 years after heresy.
>>94419673See >>94417642These old codexes are off my 2 millenia and anyway Vect rewriting history for his own convenience would fit the character.
>>94419731>codexes are wrong>BL short story is correct
>>94419766Correct. BL is always correct and all other sources are all lies.
>>94419766When did the Fall happen?
>>94419766what codexes? The Deldar 8th+ ones no longer feature a timeline
>>94419057The ban might have been in place but DE have suppressed their psyker potential for so long it's literally almost gone now. That doesn't happen over night
Got a few more respectable businessman seekers done. Putting out some Slick Idiot concert vibes as well
>>94419827DE still use their psychic ability, to feed on pleasure and the suffering of others, replenishing their souls to counteract Slaanesh's slowly draining of it. It isn't atrophied or anything, just internalised and used subconsciously. This is why DE can still join craftworld Eldar, and become functional participants of their society.
>>94419839>manlets require a booster soleLMAO
>>94419839The heads are slightly too large for those models, it makes them look smaller than marinelets in pics lol.
>>94419827Didn't The Fall happen like a thousand years prior to 30k, in M29? And craftworlders do suppress their psychic potential overnight out of sheer autism lel
>>94419892It happened in mid-late M30. It's not clear if it happened a century or so before the GC, but the warp storms around Terra dissipated while the Conquest of the Solar system was going on.
>>94419839I like them very much. If I ever get to start building my own I would like them to look half as good as those. Where did you get those scopes from, I have a box of tacticals, but no of the bolters had a scop attachment or a scope stock.
>>94419839They look like retarded Alpha legion squats, and the primaris scopes are just the icing in the shit cake
>>94419855>>94419862Don't put your unrealistic body expectations on me>>94419940Thanks, scopes are from tempestus scions hellguns and some others are pirmaris bits that have been spliced into the regular bolters. It's a little tricky cutting the bolters up into 3rds. Just make sure you have good clippers /knife
>>94419991It is far off in to the future that I can even start thinking about building them, but thanks for the clear anwser. Also I don't see what is suppose to be wrong with the heads either. Most miners around here look like that around 40-45. big bald head on top of a small body.
>>94419839>Don't take those banestrike bolts, brother. They're full of nitrates, they'll rust your bolter.>Banestrike bolts? Ova heeeah
>>94420014Space marines aren't terminal alcoholics. The heads are too big and the opposite of how Astartes are supposed to look
>>94420033>The reverse Kopinski
>>94420033I was told that my NighLords are all slavic. I have not met an alive slav who wasn't alcoholic of some sort.
>>94420033I assumed that this is how they suppose to look without helmets. like avarge dude from Chelabynsk wearing tank armour.
>>94420033It's not alcoholism, it's where they keep their BS5 dumbass>Also regular BS4 space marine head for comparison
>>94417982Are you stupid? It's a resin kit, all that "retooling" it consists of is modifying a single 3D model and printing new masters, it's something that could be done by one designer and a couple of mold makers in a few days and would cost almost nothing. It's a negligible task.
>>94419346I mean, if you don't then you have to accept that Bolt shells have heavy water tips because GW doesn't know what Deuterium is.
>>94419839
>>94420342...but why deuterium, to begin with? No one's going to achieve fusion on something as small as a bolt shell, not to mention that would use tritium instead innit?Like, what do they want deuterium on a bolt shell for, allegedly? Hydrogen is very light. I thought you would want tungsten carbide, U238, habanero pepper or something like that
>>94420342Since when bolt tips have deuterium tips? It was always space daimond tips for better penetration.
>>94420399Going all the way back to 3rd edition, bolt shells have a "depleted deuterium" core (not tip). Your guess on what depleted deuterium is is as good as mine.
>>94417800Except it wasn't ignored. The mk6 that ended up going into serial production was redesigned according to their criticism, hence the thicker pauldrons and greaves. Prototype mk6 was what we got in AL upgrade packs, a stripped down mk4 with a slightly different helmet.
>>94420420Water. It's water. GW has no idea what the word means, I think they heard it on an episode of ST:TNG and used it randomly.
>>94420342it looks like they put deuterium into a space that's part of general bolt manufacture; other types of rounds except the stalker round have the same cavity, but filled with various fluids, gels etc (the "solid mercury" slug in the stalker makes sense too; mercury is denser than lead, but readily forms amalgams with other metals, so if you could magically solidify it there would be lots of mundane uses for it like adding mass to bullets)deuterium (depleted or otherwise) would simply dissipate into atmosphere (or void) when the round is destroyed and is itself slightly explosive with no real fallout or residues; if you were making a lot of deuterium for some other process (like maintaining giant reactors on a forge world) you'd probably have a lot of deuterium left over, and it might well be a mixture of deuterium and hydrogen that's not worth your time to separate into useful parts (or simply part of a process that says, like Primo Levi's Chromium, "do this for the process to work" and nobody remains who understands why you were doing that in the first place)but if you had lots of that, putting it into bullets that already have a void for filling and which are meant to explode wouldn't be the worst way of getting rid of it
>>94419892It was more recent than that as there was at least one craftworld that went insane from the fall and had to be put down by the Ordo Sinister
>>94420105Get the micrometer
>>94420467>It's water.Two wrongs doesn't make a right, anon. Also:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen
>>94418793As a milita player I also want carnodons and auroxes.
>>94420621Best James can do is take away Rhinos and Land Raiders from them.
>>94420632I'm still stuck in 1.0. The most impact mr workshop could do is retconning carnodons out of the fluff.
Gentlemen, it's been an honor playing with you tonight.
>>94420730Ez gg no re
>>94413609Secondary detected.No, what's in the stuff that comes out of the absolute GW studio is canon, BL is kind of an alternate reality or interpretation of what happened; authors in BL are supposed to remain in canon with the studio material, but are under no obligation to remain in canon with other BL authors. There is a tier of canonicity with GW studio material above BL books.
>>94414514Played my Death Guard backed up by some knights vs. someone's Legio Atarus backed up by some Auxilia in LI yesterday. I think the Titan rules in LI are more fair than I thought, as long as you play it such that a titan on an objective with nothing else captures it (as the core rules say).
>>94420730goosebumps every time I go back to the Audiobook>even a few lost looking World Eatershttps://youtu.be/-p5786lgn08?si=t6RUBixAispSmtRk
>>94418529>They are also armoured enough that they don't need to hide from artillery fire.Nah, earthshaker rounds still turn them to paste.
>>94420963The first three HH books have some real great scenes. Reading Loken dying was such an emotional hit first time. Such a shame BL had to absolutely ruin it by bringing him back, and running his character into the ground.
>>94420962I remember seeing you work on that distinct DG scheme a while back. Love that black and green combo and glad to see em on the table
>>94421004>Dan Abnett had to absolutely ruin it by bringing him backFTFY
>>94421134>Dan Abnett had to absolutely ruin itFTFY
>>94420938This is not Star Wars and were no longer in the 90s, secondary. BL is a core part of GW and there's just different fuzzy sources and authors even within the same product range.
>>94421154They ruined Garro, too. Tarvizt was the only one to get a good ending.
>>94420938>>94421167You're not fucking bringing this shit here. Go back to the previous thread.
>>94420730the only good loyalist traitors
>the release of the Melee set means a wave of consuls using the same walking sergeant pose and some of the special arms and nothing else.
>>94420962That is rad. Legion vs a pure titan force is comfy.
>>94421400The people who do that weren't imaginative enough to make any model look good.
>>94421440This. You could have your consul do kayak; couldn't do that before
>>94421488Kayak Upgrade Sprue due out in 2026.Still comes out before breachers.
>>94421488
>>94420963I read a lot of flavor text in this guy's voice to determine if it's good or not.I read my faggot fanfiction in this guy's voice to see if it's shit or not.
I'm making another legion army (I already have Raven Guard and Iron Hands).Help me decide, do I do Alpha Legion or World Eaters?
>>94421550You disappoint me on a level I usually reserve for people older than me.
>>94421550Do dark angels for the black trifecta, then swap out random models from all 3 armies to see if your opponent notices
>>94421550Worlds Eaters can have a very different playstyle, AL can be a bit similar to RG.
>>94421584Why play 1 army when you can paint everything black and play all 18>>94421636That's a good point, thanks anon
>>94421645>paint everything black and play all 18All black but their details would be different colors, right? Like, can I paint a black and purple EC and say that's a DG or Catulan Reaver?
Idk how you guys pick a legion. As in, only one. But I can't buy 30 tacticals and paint them a different color half a dozen times.I can't believe FW has convinced so many to buy their armies twice and thrice over. And it's not even a scam. There's no deceit there.
>>94421677In the dark times of heresy the men send out to fight in the legion wars didn't have time to paint signs on their armour.
>>94421702I liked stuff about one legion more than others. Felt easy enough.
>>94421702If I had the money (more accurately, the will) I'd do this, you aren't alone
>>94421711Six times?
>>94421774I do not retract my statement
>>94421522Checked and keked
>>94421702Happens to everyone. Before I settled on a legion, I painted, stripped and repainted my marines 5 times. First Iron Warriors, then Word Bearers, then Salamanders, then Thousand Sons and then finally Dark Angels. Though keep in mind this happened over the course of 4 years or so it's not like I was doing this over and over again.
Plastic Ruinstorm Daemons when?
>>94421702Got to be a combination of color scheme, fluff, and rules.The importance of each will be in fkux for each person. For example, you don't like to lose? Doesn't matter what the scheme is you probably aren't taking lower powered legions (salamanders for example). If you arent a huge paint fag, then you probably want a legion with a scheme that is fairly easy to do (anyone who is blue or red). Just depends bro.Worst mistake you can do is sit on the pot forever. Shit or get off. Buy a box of tacticals and some hero (or convert one) and see how you feel.
>>94421550World Eaters you need some WHITE in there
>>94421872For a long long long long time
>>94421872Just use the Flesheater Courts Crypt Fiends.
>>94421872Not sure why you'd want the most generic plain daemon models ever. Feel like I've seen this exact design in at least a few dozen vidya games.
>>94421872Isn't ruinstorm daemons and militia entire point that you can't make model range for them because they are too fucking diverse?Like dunno about 2.0 daemons but 1.0 could have melee weapons, ranged magic attack, wings and multiple other options while being from 6 diferent dominions, and all of this on basic infantry lesser daemons. You can run militia as penial legion, high tech elite stormtroopers, fucking beastmen and mutated cultists or poor's man skitarii. It would require GW to release multiple kits for most basic unit and judging from still no plastic breachers and other basic marines units this won't happen ever.
is the deredeo basic head exactly the same as the contemptor one? i damaged one of the eyes of the AoD contemptor with plastic cement i don't know if i can fix it with paint, make it count as battle damage, print a new one or use a MKIII head.
>>94422085No, it's longer and slightly more narrow
>>94421872Just learn to work with fucking resin. It isn’t hard. If you can remove the mould lines on plastic and fit together a deredeo without having atrocious gaps you’re already skilled enough to build the like four piece infantry kits.
How do you guys build the plasma deredeo in plastic if you can't 'bend' the cables?
>>94422263What do you mean? The cable is shaped in a 'U' shape which connects it from the gun to the backside
>>94422263Anything can bend if you hest it carefully enough
>>94422263you can bend the cables slightly, you know how you bend plastic until it goes white before breaking. Plus the socket has some motion you can manipulate, and the connection has some twist, but it is extremely limited even given all of that. Quite difficult to get a proper pose out of.
>>94418103>Show me the plastic landspeeders, the Mk II, the Mk V, the New dreadnought, the box set and the other shit he got wrong.the MKII, Dreadnought, and new box are all rumored for next summer. You can't say those rumors were wrong when the rumor is that they're still like 8 months out
>>94417689The actual fluff out of the GW studio books has Khârn as being right, just because ADB jerked off the Night Lords when he was writing we have these inconsistencies. Go by studio fluff when there's a discrepancy.
>>94421065Thank you! Really enjoying it. Working on Auxilia next.
>>94421421He did have some Auxilia to back his dudes up but it was a 1500 point game and he had like 1300 points of titans.
>>94416236The best fluff is the stuff you make up yourself to drive your imagination and inspire your hobby. Whatever it takes to make you want to build or paint something instead of doing it as a chore in order to play the game, be it a made up name or character or battle or whole campaign so long as it's interesting to you. The Two Comets, the Disaster at the Drop Lines, the Three Baneblades, Breaking the Silence, the Butcher of Strum, the Parade Ground Massacre, the Charge of the Knight Brigade. This is stuff that only makes sense to me and only matters to me but because I've come up with it I get to make my models outside of just having pieces to put on a table. And because I've made it all up I get to ignore piddling bores who constantly argue about the petty minutiae of boring novels or mope about meta and optimization.
>>94422819Who cares fan fiction faggot
Fuck. the AL mk4 shoulderpads have now gone 'sold out online" and the mk4 heads are just gone all together. Mk5 power weapons are sold out online too. Guess the Mk4 set is about to be retired.
>>94422842F
>>94422842The nuMK4 fight is about to begin.
>>94422910
>>94422912Surely it won't be as bad as the numk3 war.
>>94422819I want to know about the Parade Ground Massacre, the Two Comets and Breaking the Silence
>>94422919It will be just as unnecessary
>>94422988Checked. Too true.
>>94422919What happened? Did a bunch of people get rubbed the wrong way by the pointy helmets?
>>94422919Depends how good or how bad nu MK IV will be.MK III is just bad for reasons I can't describe, just something is wrong with it.
>>94423001Some people didn't like the change when we already had plastic mk3 or thought it looked too legion locked to be used for everyone.>>94423006We'll find out.
>>94423006Don't be starting shit again, Anon. I don't have it in me anymore.
>>94423010Not even the pickelhaube, the rest of the helmet just doesn't look right.
>>94423046Dare I even ask what you think is wrong with it before we drag the thread back to months old stuff?
>>94423056They just didn't need to change it. Now stop talking about it or we're gonna burn the thread down.
>>94416769MKIV is pretty retarded once you realize that they can't bend forwards or even turn their wrists outwards.
>>94423056
mkiv is the ugliest thing everHope they skip it and make plastic MKVs instead
>>94423085they made that apothecary so why wouldn't they, the files are obviously there.
>>94423056Original MK III complainer(this thread) dunno but something about either shape or proportions of nu MK III is wrong, can't exactly pinpoint it but it looks like shit.
>>94422926>The Two CometsPursing a Night Lords grand cruiser, a Blood Angels monitor and Dark Angels light cruiser force the warband's ad hoc flotilla out of orbit. Loss of orbital supremacy leads to a loss of air superiority, allowing the loyalists to set the terms of each ground engagement by providing rapid resupply and reinforcement. This predicament is unacceptable as blackshield aircraft would be forced into lengthy, vulnerable, flights from hidden airfields. The matter is solved succinctly as the warlord titan Pallidus Rex shoots each vessel down as they enter low orbit. The feats are recorded on the titan's war banner as a pair of falling comets.>Breaking the SilenceThe deployment of the Imperator Titan "Olim Erat Tacit" threatens to conquer the planet by itself. Unable to engage the titan conventionally the blackshields deploy their aircraft in a near vertical assault, attempting to take advantage of the titan battlegroup's most obvious weakness. As their interceptors and limited bombers buy time three dreadnoughts armed with melta weapons and chainfists, along with a dozen veterans, land on the Imperator's cathedral. As the veterans hold the secutarii back the dreadnoughts burrow into the titan's plasma reactor and detonate it, turning two square kilometers of prairie into glass.>The Parade Ground MassacreA consul-centurion by the moniker "the Fury" leads some two hundred and fifty volunteers, along with forty vorax, in a three day march in order to ambush a foot column of nearly one thousand Alpha Legionnaires. Only eight blackshields survive the engagement, the Fury not among them. While the battle is a tactical loss for the outnumbered warband, it is a brutal demonstration of intent that seems to unsettle even the psychotic Alpha Legion.
>>94423197Thanks anon. Is that Titanicus or 30k? Also, do your Blackshields own a planet? I find that interesting >.>Have a pic inspired by >>94415774 lol
>>94423056It looks more like mk2 and also smaller
wip leviathan. I have too many heavy supports waaaah
>>94423105>>94423345I like them, smaller head makes them look bigger, legs are great, the shape and the top of the helmet looks good (I like lower brow, they look meaner), they are overall an improvement. They just fucked up with a one piece chest + legs, I can't do a tactical rock pose anymore.I bet nuMk3 will make more sense when we see new Mk2.
>>94423851Each time I see this GIF, I keep hearing this. Think it has to do with a meme of that one kid who ended up freezing to death.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93q61LT2Vuk
>>94423105The armour in general is a lot softer - many of the harsher lines and angles have been softened and curved.
>>94423845That is a gorgeous blue, anon.
>>94423056NTA but it comes down to the heads for me. I got the old MkIII heads recast and have been putting them on my new MkIII and it improves them greatly. They still have issues but not enough for me to totally reject them now.
>>94418226He absolutely is a rumour aggregator, 90% of what he posts originates on Dakka, B&C, TGA, or here. The fact he also gormlessly accepts an additional 10% of stuff through direct PM(and he's been trolled often enough that we do know for a fact he reports stuff he gets PM'd if he thinks it's plausible or vague enough) and *very occasionally* one of those tips is genuine(almost all of his correct predictions came from elsewhere first or were just blatantly obvious guesses) doesn't change that. I will never understand why people worship this absolute faggot and gaslight themselves into believing this ridiculous mythology they've built up around him, he's not Pieman Harry he's an even more smug and annoying and faggy Spikey Bitz. Every time you try and have discussion about stuff now some rabid poofter butts in with the latest "confirmed news" from Fagrak and then acts like a jilted lover when sane normal people DGAF or slight their manqueen.
>>94423851
>>94421167You will never be a woman, a respected author, or loved ABD. You will forever be the Beaniecuck, the man who every Warhammer fan with taste wishes hadn't been too much of a coward to follow through with their suicide, a festering boil on the arse of the hobby.
>>94424188>or her4chan and other forums haven't been the original source of rumours, scans, and leaks in a long time. Everybody "in the known" has moved on to discord and telegram. Even fucking private FB groups and reddit get shit first than this place. You're out of touch and living in the past.
>>94424220fags like you it's why we got femstodes. You're part of the problem, retarded election tourist
What if they reveal a new Horus Heresy model tomorrow and then another one on Friday? We could see two new Horus Heresy models this week! How cool would that be?
>>94424357Hope is the first step in the road to dissapointment yada yaddaBut rapiers are gone from GW's site, so their plastic version should be annonced soon, I hope
>>94424357I'm going to skin the space between your toes
>>94424377>nurgle is a footfagthat explains a lot
>pile of power swords collecting dust>every time i think about using them, there's a much better option for the same unit>the pile continues to growat this rate i just need to do a 10 sword vet squad to make use of these
>>94424474convert them into power spears.
>>94424474Power swords are fine if you want a generalist "take all comers" unit or if you want to actually do a wound to a dread
>>94424488I havent done the maths, but I suspect theyre probably the mathematically worst option basically regardless of situation. Even into 2+ saves I think power mauls might outperform them based on just wounding a lot better.
>>94424357Well IF got a new named character in the last campaign book, so he's probably getting a model. And templar brethren still need an official upgrade kit, the one they currently have got cleverly disguised as the command squad upgrade kit.
>>94424516>>94424474Can you put them on minis and say "these count as mauls today"? I know 'What You See Is What You Get', but what about 'Counts As'?It's not like you can mistake that unit for another whose swords do count as swords
>>94424561I'm a stickler for not doing "counts as" when I can help it. No problem with other people doing it, I just don't like to myself.It'll probably just be a vet squad after all. I've been meaning to make (another) one. Just have to figure out either printing the bodies or finding a decent source for MkII elsewhere.
>>94424561Im sure you could, but I (not the original anon) think thats the lamest sort of counts as. Its like having a squad with heavy bolters and saying they actually have missile launchers or lascannons. Counts as should ideally be for conversions and stuff, rather than just "option A counts as option C because option C is better mechanically"
>>94424516>Even into 2+ saves I think power mauls might outperform them based on just wounding a lot better(All percentages are %chance to wound per hit against t4 opponents)>Vs 2+/4++Sword: 13.8%Maul: 13.8%>Vs. 2+/5++Sword: 16.6%Maul : 13.8%>Vs. 2+/6++Sword: 19.4%Maul: 13.8%>Vs 2+/7++Sword: 22.2%Maul: 13.8%Power swords aren't the single *best* in any category, but outperform more specialized "standard" power weapons vs their unintended targets, and frankly that's fine
>>94424576I would love to not do counts as, but most of my dudes are armed with raven hammer(power mauls) and DA Knights(old) maces (thunder hammers). But I don't feel bad about those. I do feel bad about using my mk2 plasma squad as interemptors, but I am not going to be using resin model.
>>94424595Adding to this, swords are actually (generally speaking) the best "standard" power weapon to use against all types of dreadnoughts thanks to its rending, it has the same efficacy as power axes without the drawback of being unweildyAxe: 11.1%Sword: 11.1%Maul: 5.5%Spear: 2.8%
>>94424595>2+/7++Does... that even exist?
>>94424663No that's just to keep the x+/x++ format when talking about units without invulns
>>94424595>Against 2+ savesHey that's so neat. Let's see Charnabal sabres- woah! Turns out using the wrong weapon on the wrong target is...foolish?
>>94424595>Whenever you melee a Tartaros, Artificer sergeant, or fucking Dreadnought, know that the sword is mightier than the maul-shaped penThanks. Next time I see anyone using a Tartaros terminator I'll be sure to tell them.
>>94423232Sweet we need more OC art.
>>94424736Don't IF players spam tartaros with fists and shields? and IF are like 1/3ed or more of all HH players, because of the armies power.
>>94424663any rerollable 6++ is a 7++ the second time around>>94424595>>94424516Rending and Breaching weapons have two different possible outcomes which are mutually exclusive; you can't just average them togetherso for example a maul vs sword vs T4 2+/5++ on WS parity the maul will always have ~1/14 (14.4)but a sword's outcomes are 1/2*1/6*2/3 for 1/18 or 1/2*1/3*1/6 for 1/36 depending on Rending, and they are mutually exclusivethe advantage of the sword over the maul is that it will always wound on 6+ at AP2, so even vs T7 dreadnoughts where the maul gains minimal advantage from higher S the sword's possible outcomes are unchanged at 1/18 while the maul is down to ~1/36 (again with WS parity) making swords twice as effective against high Toughness units than mauls, which is counter-intuitive given the Strength bonus they offerif you try to average the sword's outcomes like some kind of filthy statistician it looks like it becomes wildly more effective against those high Toughness targets, but that's an imaginary advantage caused by rubbing two imaginary dicks together
>>94424736It's so weird to hear about cataphractii still being spammed. Their lack of mobility once their transport gets popped has led to cataphractii only rarely being used anymore here. Last HH event I went to with 40 participants didn't have a single unit of cataphractii fielded in any of the armies.
>>94424357We got multiple named characters with no models so.Fist need another named character.
>>94424819Swords are only better against tartaros because it has a 5+ invulnerable save, rather than a 4+ invulnerable. IF spamming tartaros with shields that boost their invulnerable save to 3+ means swords are even worse. End of the day power swords are the jack of all trades, master of none weapon. I still use them just because they look cool, and they serve me well enough.
Threadly reminder that meleeing dreadnoughts and fishing for 6s with swords is a bad idea, regardless of what you saw in the holos
>>94424887Doesn't change the fact I'd rather have a sword than a maul if I rounded a corner and saw a dreadnought standing there
>>94424626Claws bro
>>94424887Sometimes you don't get a choice anon. Any plan does not survive contact with the enemy. And if things go south and my despoilers do end up in close combat with a dreadnought, I rather have power swords and a chance to do something rather than power spears or mauls, which might be more efficient against 3+ save units but are utterly useless in their current situation. Actually don't have much problems with dreadnoughts going after my despoilers thanks to their plasma pistols. Only put them in there for rule of cool, but between shooting as the dreadnought closes in, return fire, and overwatch, they have killed more than their fair share of dreadnoughts.
>>94424894Claws don't fall under the "standard" power weapon umbrella, but yes claws will outperform pretty much every other power weapon into any realistic target in exchange for being more points and giving up your other weapon
>>94424887Nah, I'm built different.
>>94424909oh, they don't outperform most weapons into most targets. But if you're fishing for rends, they're the call to make.
>>94424903>Any plan does not survive contact with the enemy"Then you're not making the right plans."t. you own primarch LionI'm glad about de. Doubly so that you can spend a reaction to shoot 3 pistols. Power Swords are cool.
Hey guys, any hobbyists whose HH stuff you like and could share?
>>94424893>My only two options are 1. Go directly forwards, and 2. Roll as many dice as I canInsightful as always, mr. Kharn. Don't mind rapiers, sire, go right ahead
>>94424915Thanks to the extra attack and shred they outperform every basic power weapon against 3+ saves and worse and only lose out to power axes against 2+/x++ saves (but they aren't unwieldy so that's worth taking into account)
>muh mathhammerTake that WAAC faggotry to 40kg, 30k is for aesthetics and fluff enthusiasts
>>94424988Then why is Mechanicum a faction in 30k? Check-mate, atheist :^)
>>94424988I like numbers autism, I can't help it
>>94424988I can spend a few hours figuring out how much better hammers or fists are than claws and swords, I'm gonna take clawss for the look anyway.Understanding the maths doesn't stop me choosing the aesthetics.
>>94424988Anon is cursed with the knowledge that taking swords is a handicap taken for aesthetics, unless you have to fight that which you shouldn't to begin with
>>94424950When those despoilers are standing on an objective and a dreadnought is coming their way, they will stand and fight. Retreat is for the lesser legions.
>>94423082Hey at least this making me feel better about magnetizing a vet squad to being able swap between vets with charnable weapons, khenetai, and a command squad with charnable weapons and shields depending on who I want them to accompany.
>>94416520Run the back of a hobby knife around the rim of the base, itll scrape off excess paint and really clean up the models
I keep buying tanks. I don't have any room for them in my heavy support slots but keep getting them anyway because tanks are awesome. Any thoughts on a Planetstrike type of scenario where one side might get more HS allocations?
>>94425303Couldn't you just play the "tank" rite of war to use all the tanks you have? We have a guy here whose army is 9 dreadnoughts, 2x5 recons, a unit of terminator and techmarines.
>>94425350Possibly. It only counts vanilla Sicarans as elites or that HQ? I've got a venator, but guessing that doesn't count toward those
>>94425414Correct, basic sicarans get to be elites/HQ and predators get to be troops/HQ
>>94424887>This picIronicallly, 6 Oblivion Knights + a Knight Centura all armed with power swords are actually decently good at killing Dreadnoughts due to Ex Oblivio giving all the time they need to cut down the big boy.
Need some advice from the techmarinebros,how do i make the forge lord and his thallax bodyguards tie in color wise to the rest of the blackshields(their color scheme is dark brown power armor with golden helmets and trim)
>>94425917I mean, I think it is the Centura's WS1 Ex Oblivio curse what is doing the most there desu
>>94425917White Scars keep winning
Raining today here so no priming for me. What you guys working on?
>>94426079Put together a new praetor out of spare parts last night. I was originally going to use the body for a Kharn conversion but decided against it for now.Plus 5 rotor cannon guys, 30 tacticals, and a boxnaut that I'm working through. Plus the rest of the backlog...
>>94426079Still slaving away at painting my first spartan. More used to painting infantry, so progress is slow.
>>94425303>Any thoughts on a Planetstrike type of scenario where one side might get more HS allocations?Back in my day, we had different Force Org charts for different types of scenarios to represent the different nature of the missions. And the sides had asymmetrical Force Org charts too, because attacking and defending aren't the same. And it was against the rules for Dark Eldar to be the defenders. And there was a 1/6 chance that the Dark Angels would generate an autowin condition at the start of every game.And we had to guess how far away the target was when firing barrage weapons. And GW had its own web forums that the design team frequented. And the Ultramarines weren't on the cover of a codex.
>>94426200>And the Ultramarines weren't on the cover of a codex.Insufferable midhammer fags like you do not belong here, fuck off to /grog/ to larp with other hipsters
>>94426261NTA, but who in your opinion is worthy of membership in this community?
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>>94426200>And the Ultramarines weren't on the cover of a codexAnon only edition of warhammer when UM weren't on cover but still had majority of named characters was 3rd ed(1998).2nd ed SM codex was called Codex Ultramarines(1995), 4th(2004) had ultramarines on cover, 5th was warddex and 6th,7th,8th,9th and 10th all have Ultramarines on cover.4th ed, 5th ed planetstrike etc all had UM on cover. Besides 3rd ed SM codex sucked balls.
>>94426315I remember the 3rd edition SM codex not listing terminator armour in the terminator unit entry. The 2+ armour save was included in the statline, but since they didn't have terminator armour the terminators didn't get the 5+ invulnerable save. Some marinefags at tournaments got quite mad about this when you pointed this out, lmao.
>>94426418You are wrong. Terminator armor didn't have 5++.It was added later in chapter approved, alongside multiple diferent rules for terminators and cult terminators for csm.
>>94426482Shit, was it the 4th edition codex then? Curse my failing memory.
>>94426231Is that corkboard? If so, well done. It's usually hard to get it looking like something other than corkboard
>>94426048White boy ordering in perfect Chogorian almost got me to do white scars
>>94426491Back in the day entries didn't mention armor, because the writers assumed the playerbase weren't nitpicking waac cunts.>>94426283NTA, but nobody. The gatekeeping must be so legendary that even the "Played multiple full games of The Campaign of North Africa" club thinks we're being unnecessarily exclusionary. We must gatekeep so hard that the Germans create a long compound word to describe it.
>>94426609>We must gatekeep so hard that the Germans create a long compound word to describe it.Unnötigübertriebenhäresiepförtnerverwaltung
>>94425303>>94426200>4th edition PlanetstrikeI think the 7E Planetstrike works just fine desu
>>94424354At least three of his recent crops of rumours originated from a guy who only posts on TGA. He was reposting stuff from B&C last year. Almost none of the shit he posts that comes from elsewhere comes from him before someone else has already brought it to forums or here. PDFanon is the only reason we have most of the recent Heresy and SG content.The fact you desperately want your pissboi yootoober to ream you up the bum doesn't make him reliable.
>>94424356People who've been part of the hobby since before you were born and want to defend it from idpol faggotry are the reason shits like ADB have infested the hobby and riddled it with idpol faggotry? What kind of dipshit logic is that? Or are you one of those supine gormless morons who thinks that if everyone just shuts up and lets the faggots do whatever they want without comment they'll somehow end up doing *less* faggy stuff?
>>94426261He says, posting a midhammer codex, revealing himself as a groglarper as well.
I recently got back into painting and this is my WIP, he's from a black shield company of former word bearers who jumped ship when logar fell and started worshipping the Christian god, they established a knightly Christian order on the planet creticus primus, but were forced off by and retreated to a nearby fortress world where they are still today
>>94426829Wrong on all accounts. And I've been first posting content here straight out of discord and telegram.You're a pathetic has been stuck in the past.
>>94426849I'm 100% older than you, there's no such thing as "the hobby" as an universal thing, and this is not a secrit club or safe space for washed out election tourists.Yes, retarded gamergaterd groupies and attention whore parasites like you are the reason we get stupid shit like femstodes or TLJ. Every action has a reaction. Moral panics have been routine forever but eventually went away all the time, until moronic fanboys like you were easily riled up and weaponized by political grifters. But in fact you barely have any idea of what you're talking about. You didn't pay attention back then, and even less today. Now you are a brain damaged idiot screaming at imaginary enemies and addicted at delusions of self righteousness just because you bought a few books and minis decades ago. Like that makes you special or something.But people here don't have to entertain your bullshit. You own nothing here, just like the rest of us. If you post retarded hot takes you will be called out, and that's the beauty of this place. Get fucked.
>>94427198Harr is a puff
>>94424375The rapier kit always makes me smile >Two man crew>One operator and one assistant >Operator gets to ride upon the rapier, driving it around, while the assistant has to foot slog>It always made me wonder what the social dynamics were between them were like>The rapier operator acts all high and mighty and superior to the assistant but is kind of a baffon>All the other marines basically see him as a tare and the assistant his wrangler, too incompetent to be an actual marine, but too up himself to just take a support role >He refuses to ever step down, driving it around the battle barge >His assistant following him everywhere completely broken >They regularly get into crashes and traffic jams on the battle barge>They compare the guns they are equipped with as a point of pride>Has a little box full of snacks on the foot plate
>>94427198BL sucks ass
are flesh hounds meant to be daemonic beasts or daemonic cavalry in the ruinstorm army list?cavalry makes sense but beasts mention hunting hounds
>>94427246My headcanon is that the Spartan was created also to carry a battery of 3 of those around. 3 gunners, 3 assistants/close protection + 1 officer.
>>94427272probably beasts, cav is for seekers and crushers and shit, but really do whatever you want
On a scale from ,most to least responsible, how much is each of these responsible for the Burning of Prospero?Leman Russ, Magnus the Red,The Emperor of mankind, Malcador,Horus Lupercal.Tzeentch ?With the Primary source of what did actually happen being the Horus Heresy books
>>94427198This is some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen on /tg/.
>>94427490Horus>Russ>Magnus for direct causes. I’m a big proponent of the chaos gods not being traditionally willful beings, but rather personifications of fundamental forces that act upon complex systems to create what we perceive as the “soul” or “consciousness”, so Tzeentch isn’t really a cause any more than existence is. The emperor definitely could have easily prevented prospero, but to do so would fundamentally change the entire landscape of the imperium so I’d argue it doesn’t really make sense to include him as a cause either. Malcador really isn’t that involved beyond the overarching influence of mankind on the decision to loose the censure host.
>>94427490Magnus' hubris was manipulated by Tzeentch, then Russ' hubris was manipulated by Horus, who was in cahoots with Tzeentch
>>94427490Magnus and it's not even close. Without even talking about everything that happened before, he could have saved the planet and the civilians if he had surrendered himself when the SW arrived.Instead he hid in his room, refusing to talk, moping and jamming the planet defences and his own sons senses. He even killed those that tried to raise the alarm.
>>94427641 I want to see a Horus Heresy Au big fanfiction where the main chains happens where he silences himself to the wolves and the Expedition Fleet instead of things going violent.
>>94427641I think pretty much any lore post 4th ed on Prospero cheapens the story, yes Russ was manipulated by Horus but I think there should have been none of this second chance 'tried to hail Magnus' bullshit and Russ should've gunned for him then realised that his prejudice meant he got played by Horus. Whether you like the wolves/TS that is objectively a better story for both sides.
>>94426107Primaris arm, ew.
>>94427676>that is objectively a better story for both sides.Agreed
>>94427490Emperor for not killing red mutant moment when he met him and instead gave entire legion to him.The rewards for tolerance are treachery and betrayal.
>>94427676Anon previously aka pre BL bullshit, Russ was ordered to kill Magnus and Thousand Sons straight up, Emperor just didn't believe in Magnus messane that Horus drank chaos kool-aid and declared him corrupted(maybe it was Russ sugesting that Magnus is corrupted to Emperor, but order was still to kill him).Now Magnus barge in, don't deliver any message, cry in corner and decide he want to die. Emperor give order to Russ to get Magnus in chain, but Horus gaslight him into thinking that Emperor just want Magnus dead, Magnus have chance to just surrender without fight but continue to cry in corner and jam all comms instead waiting for execution, only to change his mind when Russ is burning Prospero. What a fucking shitshow.
>>94427771the legion was the issue not Magnus, the Emperor probably never intended for the Thousand Sons to continue once the flesh change took hold and he only needed Magnus for the throne.
>>94427864>>94427864>>94427864>>94427864
>>94427818>Magnus wasn't an issue>his legion was>in context of burning of prospero
>>94424356You're the one who's shilling for femstodes.
