>>94416913
He always did love a good hat.

>>94416915
Yeah there's like 4 prints of him in the last couple years. I guess he's one of the only characters that canonically should be putting on different hats

Give me your coolest monster commanders. Shit like Eluge, the Mindskinner, Iymrith, and such.

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>TQ:
>What's your most underrated commander and why?
I really, really, really enjoy pitbull decks. You know the kind, the ones where you show up out of nowhere, maul the table horrifically, maybe even kill somebody, and then are ruthlessly put down

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Gay Bolas

>upgrading my Alela deck
>discover Quicken
>don't see it recommended on EDHREC
Am I missing something here?
1 mana to cast a Sorcery as and Instant, AND draw a card? Shit's basically free.
Sure it's only 1 trigger of Alela but casting Sorceries with flash is great.

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>>94416952
Oop forgot pic

>>94416949
You mean the 3rd place special?

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>>94416949
Shame it's monored. Because it says until YOUR next end step, you could make the exiled cards last a whole rotation with pic related. I honestly have no idea why the effect isn't just "When this spell resolves skip all steps and phases, move directly to the end step."

>>94416958
Who cares lol you'll have the table so low that you'll be back in the game in 5 minutes
>>94416973
Nah, the ability to do damage with it is what makes it so threatening. Dumping 15 cards into exile with extra combats and then just having him removed would invalidate that.

>>94417012
>Nah, the ability to do damage with it is what makes it so threatening. Dumping 15 cards into exile with extra combats and then just having him removed would invalidate that.
Spoken like a true red player. I guess I play too much blue because to me the fun of impulse draw is having a bonus hand that can't be interfered with. Add some rewards for casting from exile and ooo baby
Funny how different play styles can be in this game

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Am I retarded? When do you get to use this effect? Can you sac it any time after it's solved? Because otherwise it solves at end, it sacs at end, and you can't summon creatures at end step

>>94417067
Yes, once it's solved you can sac it at any point.

>>94417086
Ah thank you

>>94416952
never use EDHREC for deckbuilding, if you think a card can fit into a deck try it
that said quicken and its similar cards are good but not excellent and people prefer running permanents that do the same thing all the time

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>>94416949
does it trigger also on cards exiled with another ability?
>>94416973
there's pic related

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>>94417122
>never use EDHREC for deckbuilding, if you think a card can fit into a deck try it
I would never copy a deck list 1 for 1 from EDHREC but it's great for finding cards I've not heard of, especially if its a color or mechanic I haven't used before.
>that said quicken and its similar cards are good but not excellent and people prefer running permanents that do the same thing all the time
Yeah High Fae Trickster is going in too. I couldn't get a copy of Vedalken Orrery and don't know it it's worth it anymore.
But consider that Quicken + pic related is a 2 mana non-destruction board wipe on any player's turn. It means if someone is getting ahead in the early turns and you haven't drawn into your flash enablers, you can still do something about it and the only way to interact is counterspells (Vedalken Orrery and High Fae Trickster being vulnerable to removal before your flash spell is on the stack)

>>94417135
Fun card with Mishra

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>>94417146
I guess, but they could still interact with the next spell you cast or cast stuff like pic related while quicken is on the stack
I wouldn't buy vedalken orrery, there's stuff in blue for the same mana cost that is cheaper money-wise

ordered a booster box of foundations jumpstart because no one has the singles for it in stock
should I play it with friends

>>94417192
Yes, that's what it was designed for.
It's very easy to pick up and play with a new player.
I reuse my 2022 to play with people on game nights sometimes

>>94417018
See, you're thinking like a blue player and thinking about playing on someone else's turn. Throw in as much artifact ramp as possible, and you've still got your extra hand, you just have to use it that turn. And that's okay, because guess what? You've still got interaction like bolt bend and deflecting swat to keep your board safe.

>>94417146
>I would never copy a deck list 1 for 1 from EDHREC but it's great for finding cards I've not heard of, especially if its a color or mechanic I haven't used before.
This. Anyone who is 100% against EDHRec is an idiot.

>>94417135
>does it trigger also on cards exiled with another ability?
No, but ideally you should have enough of a board state that you don't need to worry about it. It's also PER ATTACK or ETB, so it's not uncommon to dump 15 or so cards in exile and just kill the table outright. A good combo is hellkite courser and dragon tempest to deal 22 to a player and 8 to the board.

>>94417176
>I guess, but they could still interact with the next spell you cast or cast stuff like pic related while quicken is on the stack
I mean, we're getting into nonsensical arguments now. Any card in the game can theoretically be prevented in some way. Countered, exiled, destroyed, sacrificed, bounced, returned to library. Whatever it may be, a card is always susceptible to something.
The point at which we're playing the playground game of "infinity+1", saying what cards we would totally play in response to a completely imaginary board state there really is no point.

I Counterspell your Silence. You Counterspell my Counterspell. Do we keep going?

>>94416949
How many creatures 4 or greater are you shitting out in mono red?
It only counts the ability triggered that turn and not all cards exiled by the effect.
I mean you can just artifact and treasure ramp, but people will just focus you asap

>>94417286
there's a ton of 3mana or less creatures that have 4 or more power

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

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>>94417310
true! and commander damage should be 10

>>94417332
He is a horrible commander if anyone knows how trample works.
All you have to do is assign all damage to the creature

>>94417355
How does that make him horrible? Because one of your opponents might choose not to deal combat damage to another one of your opponents?
Anyway he has the same energy as that fat grey cat swatting at the bird.

>>94417377
because you can assign all the damage to the creature and none to the opponent
>>94417355
double strike prevents that

>>94417382
>because you can assign all the damage to the creature and none to the opponent
Yea, sure, if you don't want your opponents to lose.

>>94417332
Want to build this commander, anyone built him before and have decklists to share?

>>94416913
commander is for homos

>>94417382
I'm pretty sure you can't with trample.
You have to assign enough damage for the creature to die, the rest goes through.

>>94417397
sure if they don't mind getting swung back for more damage, or end up in a 1v1 against him
the sensible thing is to pass it around blocking with 1/1 creatures and eventually killing it the moment it goes back to the player
>>94417403
it's equipment voltron, or copy any slicer deck list because they're pretty much the same except you can't sacrifice alexios

>>94417409
you can

>>94417409
That's not how it works.
Hell you can have death touch and trample and still assign all combat damage to the creature.
You would also do this if you were multi blocked and didn't want something that have a beneficial death trigger to die

Double strike is the only way to get around this as you can't assign damage to a creature that isn't there

>>94417286
>How many creatures 4 or greater are you shitting out in mono red?
3 or 4, which is enough to get a hefty chunk in exile. Ideally, gameplan is to drop 2 4/Xs before hawk, then swing with haste.
>It only counts the ability triggered that turn and not all cards exiled by the effect.
Which is why I go for multiple attacks in the same turn with haste enablers.
>>94417307
I don't run most of the two drops generally. They're just kind of filler do nothings that are more bark than bite. I'd rather play something that has a tangible effect, like artifact ramp or a haste enabler.

>>94417382
You get around double strike by double blocking and just hope the black player has something with death touch.
First strike damage assign all to the non death touch creature and regular assign all to the death touch.
Against decks like this use have to play politics or be confident you will be able to control the board later

>>94417460
>Against decks like this use have to play politics or be confident you will be able to control the board later
Or just run single target removal

The past couple of months have been interesting because I have a couple of coworkers who have been trying to get me into EDH right when it sounds like it imploded and died.

>>94417532
EDH didn't die, but the rules committee did.
Right now nothing changed, but next year might cause people to leave MTG or possibly enter with universe beyond sets being standard legal

>>94417310
>>94417332
Everyone should just start on 3 life and it can be a race to see who gets Lightning Bolt first. Happy?

>>94417542
EDH died when they printed the first Commander precons. That's what happens when you design an official format to overwrite an unofficial format, the unofficial format dies.

>>94417621
Good

>>94417532
>sounds like it imploded and died.
No, not at all.
EDH was not controlled by Wizards of the Coast, it developed organically by people playing casually between games at tournaments and shit. Over time a Rules Committee developed to keep a banlist. They existed for nearly 20 years and Wizards left them alone.
This meant that most bans were actually for the health of the game and not tactical.

This was the RC's undoing because after 3 years of no bans at all, they took out some popular and some expensive cards, while leaving a cheap "iconic" card that fits the criteria for why they banned those other cards.
People were mad at the RC, I suspect Wizards actually took over by force because of the shock to the secondary market but the mainstream narrative is that the RC disbanded due to death threats (inexplicably) making it impossible to do their job (i.e. nothing, 99% of the time).

Literally nothing about the game has changed. Wizards hasn't even adjusted the banlist yet and we're coming up for 2 months from the RC dying.
Some people speculate that Wizards will make changes for the worse, but other formats are fine and at the end of the day it's a casual game, you and your table can play however you want.

>>94417621
>EDH died when they printed the first Commander precons
Hate when seething retards say shit like this to new players.

FYI the first precons were 10 years ago. Ignore this paint-drinker.

>>94417639
>FYI the first precons were 10 years ago
More like 14

I wish I could play magic again. I never have any time anymore. I taught my girlfriend how to play and she was excited to build several decks but she never wants to play them with me. I'm so tired bros. I keep thinking how I felt for Thalia and how much stronger my feelings for her were compared to my girlfriend and I hate that I will always be emotionally cucked by that memory. And if I broke up with my girlfriend I would have nothing to distract me from seeing Thalia and her new boyfriend. Theyre probably having sex right now and there's nothing I can do about it. Honestly I hate myself. Thalia got me into this entire situation and I don't regret meeting my girlfriend but having a gf came with so many complications and the guilt I have hesitating to commit to my gf when I would have married Thalia without hesitation is overwhelming and hobbling me every step of the way knowing I'm a dishonest piece of shit but I don't know how the fuck else I'm supposed to move on.

>>94417639
Do you ever ask yourself why it is that the general is still called "EDHG"? And not "Commander General"? I assume that you blame "paint-drinkers" such as myself. I'm sure that there are people here who started playing EDH in the last 10 years, but even they can easily recognize the fact that the format was more fun in the past, and has become less fun over time due to Hasbro's deliberate attempts to exploit the format. The best thing about EDH was the fact that Hasbro wasn't printing cards for it.

>>94416949
Dragonhawk tuah

>>94417718
>Do you ever ask yourself why it is that the general is still called "EDHG"? And not "Commander General"? I
Because /edhg/ works better than /cg/ or mtgcg/

The terms EHD and Commander are used completely interchangeably in these threads, because they are.
Did you think that everyone else put "EDH" in the OP because they shared in your weird autistic loyalty to how the game used to be played a decade ago? Lmao.

>>94417718
>Started in the last 10 years
>Hasn't played it in the past but recognises as a fact that it was more fun back then

You are delusional.

>>94417746
>Did you think that everyone else put "EDH" in the OP because they shared in your weird autistic loyalty to how the game used to be played a decade ago?
Yes.
>>94417805
Name a year after 2010 in which EDH become more fun than it was in the previous year. You can't, it's gone steadily downhill ever since Hasbro started printing cards for it. Everyone knows this, there are people who don't mind and who play anyway but they still know it.

>>94417816
There were many years after 2010 that were great for EDH. You are like these gen Z neo boomers who think the 80s were the best because they watched Stranger Things or some old movie.

>>94417639
Don't forget that this all happened in one year after the man who was in charge of the rules committee and one of the original creators of edh died
>>94417718
new players use edh and commander interchangeably, no one gives a shit about the name

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>>94416913
>TQ
Probably Odric. He's often underestimated and the game plan is simple but the variety and consistency it can lead to makes him fun to play. Getting down things like Porcelain Gallery or pool into a Mirror Entity and you'll start blowing people out with indestructible double striking lifelink flyers with haste at a decent click.

>>94417826
>There were many years after 2010 that were great for EDH.
But none of those years were as good as the year that came before.
Please don't conflate popularity with quality, I admit that a lot of new people joined because of commander and I admit that they enjoyed the format when they first got here, but none of them have ever thought that the format was improving. Because it never improved. The best thing about EDH was the fact that Hasbro wasn't printing cards for it.

Any EUfags experiencing massive delays with their Foundations preorders? My LGS still hasn't received all the products and from another store they just called me that they are probably not going to able to provide.

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>>94417816
>it's gone steadily downhill ever since Hasbro started printing cards for it. Everyone knows this, there are people who don't mind and who play anyway but they still know it.
Lmao
Pic related.

>>94417860
idk about regular foundations but jumpstart has been kinda scarce here

>>94417860
Britbong here, Foundations aplenty. Brexit paying off as we always knew it would.

>>94417852
>Please don't conflate popularity with quality,
One of those is subjective anon. Can you be a clever boy and point to which one it is?

>>94417863
The ancient doomer was probably right, societies crumble all the time.
>>94417875
Quality is subjective. Everything that really matter is subjective. Nevertheless, there are always some things on which we can agree and find common ground, such as how Hasbro is intentionally ruining EDH.

>>94417860
It seems it sells like crazy, GamesIsland sold out their play booster boxes in an hour after restocking. Not that I worry much, as it will (probably) be printed plenty the coming 5 years.

>>94417863
You posted a picture that proved his point, but saying Lmao makes it seem like the picture is supposed to disprove his point. Which one were you going for?

>>94417986
The image is trying to say that people have always anticipated decline, and that they're wrong, the chudjack is supposed to communicate the idea that anyone who anticipates decline is wrong. That's the idea at least.
The truth is that there was always SOMETHING going to shit at every point in human history, and usually for the same reasons, rich cunts seizing control of things that they shouldn't rightfully control.

>>94417986
This guy >>94418013 aint me but he was half right
Yes the point of the meme is that retards always think things were better in the past. They have- ironically- been saying this since the earliest point in the recorded past, in the earliest written language.

It is not that things have always gotten worse, you're just getting old, retard.

>>94417902
>The ancient doomer was probably right, societies crumble all the time.
Read a fucking book or something
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyria
Date on the meme is likely incorrect as it predates the Early Assyrian period, but the city state of Assyria existed either as a city state or an empire for 2800 years.

It is funny how thos terminally online retsrr very clearly only spends time on 4chan and gets all his opinion from other retards in this thread.
No, edh has not gotten worse every year
No, it has not got less fun every year
No, it is not being ruined.

Its popularity speaks to how much fun it continues to be, and yes, when we are talking about entertainment popularity matters, it means people are still enjoying engaging with the game. Damn bro it's actually been painful reading through your retarded posts

>>94417986
>proved his point
>by showing even prehistoric retards were stupid too

>>94416924
It's still funny how he's apparently presumed dead in MKM, and then just has a card in MKM and then the literal next set.

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>>94416913
I just think he's neat

>>94417843
He actually does seem fun to play.
Who do you think is better Indominus Rex or him?
Indominus Rex is tall while he is wide, but Rex draws a bunch of cards?

>>94417843
I take it you never unlock Porcelain Gallery unless you are winning that turn I take it?

>>94418112
Magic is a good game, I don't deny that, but no part of it is getting better. It's possible for something to keep getting worse and still grow in popularity. The people who just started playing aren't an accurate gauge of whether it's getting better or worse, they just discovered the game and the game is good, the opinions that they express as the years go by are an accurate gauge of whether the game is getting better or worse.
Do you think that Command Tower improved the game?
Do you think that Thassa's Oracle improved the game?
Do you think that Jeweled Lotus improved the game?
People start with Commander because they're told that their decks will be valid forever and will never rotate, and that was always the core appeal of EDH, but it becomes less true with every year that passes. The best thing about EDH was the fact that Hasbro wasn't printing cards for it.

>>94418147
>worse ans grow in popularity
No? If any thing is supposed to be FUN and it's getting more popular it's because more people are having fun. You're being a stupid solipsistic narcissist who can't square away the fact that most people dont agree with him.
>cards good?
Yes to all.
>people start
People start commander because it's the most popular format and the most enjoyable to play. Literally no one gives a fuck about "non rotating".
>this will always be the core appeal
Its not, and it ndver will be lmao

>>94418158
lol, you are very dim, I have nothing left to say to you.

>>94417902
>this guy was right
>contradicted by the fact that we're all here right now
lmao you don't even grasp how stupid this makes you look

>>94418158
>No? If any thing is supposed to be FUN and it's getting more popular it's because more people are having fun.
I'm on your side but this is retarded. Popular things have mass appeal, which is not the same as them being good or fun.
The point you should have made is that quality of the game is subjective, you saying the game is great is just as valid as him being a retard and saying it died years before he even started playing. He hasn't articulated a single reason why the game is any worse, challenge him on it instead.

>>94418112
it's just zoomers trying to larp as grogs, you see the same thing in d&d threads and it's honestly pathetic

>>94418184
>thing is intended to be an enjoyable thing to do
>it becomes popular because it's actually not enjoyable and no one likes it or has fun
No.... it lines up perfectly lol
>quality is subjective
Except it's not lol. Subjectivity does not exist anon. The game is popular because it's fun..... because it's goal is to be fun, and if it wasn't.... it wouldnt gain traction. This is not difficult to comprehend lol
>>94418170
I accept your concession anon

>>94418184
oh shut up you loser
>j-just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good
is such a cope. Things that are popular and NOT good are the exception, not the rule you pathetic, contrarian little worm

>>94418184
>I'm on your side but this is retarded. Popular things have mass appeal, which is not the same as them being good or fun
things only become popular in the first place because they're good enough that people like them more than anything that competes.
The only reason you're making this argument is you have an ego that makes you believe you're magically smarter than 90% of everyone who's ever walked the earth. Your appeal requires the rest of us to have the same delusions as you. When we don't your whole argument falls apart.
Just kill yourself

>>94418158
yeah, jew lot made the format so much better that they had to BAN it

>>94418193
>>94418202
>>94418211
Yeah no this is retarded. It's nothing to do with contrarianism. The average person is not very intelligent, and things aimed to please them do not have to be of high quality. That is the rule, not an exception.

I'm reminded of George Carlin joke on this one:
>Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Not really how statistics works but the point comes across.

Think of shit that is popular, like McDonalds, Marvel movies, sportsball.
Are they GOOD? Do you think they are objectively of high quality? Or are they just easy to digest?
If you had the choice between McDonalds and a Michelin star meal, are you taking the McDonalds? If not, why not? McDonalds is POPULAR isn't it? A billion more people a day eat more McDonalds than Michelin star meals?
>oh but McDonalds is cheaper!!
Is that an aspect of its objective quality then? Or are you admitting that something can be popular for reasons other than its quality?

Jfc why am I even having to have this argument? This shit should be obvious.

>>94418230
>sportsball
Thank you for identifying yourself as a faggot. Anyways
>think of popular shit like McDonald's....
Is McDonald's intended to be a fun game? See the problem here is that you are ACTUALLY low IQ and cannot comprehend that some things (Entertainment) are intended to be enjoyed (fun) and if they aren't fun they won't become popular, because why the everloving fuck would it?
>McDonald's
Objectively delicious by the way (which is what food is supposed to be and that's why it's popular). Honestly anon you are not intelligent at all.

>>94418230
>I'm not a contrarian BUT
lol
>le mcdonald's argument
dude even Gordon Ramsay admits he loves mcdonald's and eats there all the time. You're just another faggot snob but for a children's card game of all things. Be less of a loser, dude

>>94418229
They had to ban it cause of whiny faggots like you lmao. My pod still uses crypt jewlo and dockside and we love our games.

>>94418230
>The average person is not very intelligent
yes they are, that's why we live in a space age with personal phones and pcs, it may not be flying cars but it's pretty close
>I'm reminded of what some jackass comedian said
sit down lil bro

What if Mcdonalds but it was only happy meals, and each happymeal contained 4 items, 1 of rarity rare or higher. So you get mainly just a normal hamburger or 4 piece nugget, but sometimes you get a 12 pece nugget, or a big mac.

>>94418230
Half of them are smarter than that too anon.
>sportsball
>George Carlin
>muh marvel
The picture you're painting of yourself is not a good one lmao

>>94418246
they had years to do that but chose not to bend the knee to whiners. instead they collected data and did the bans based on that
I heard way more whining on the day of the ban than I ever heard on the days they printed those cards
you are free to do what ever but they said the cards were mistakes and that's that

>>94418240
>Is McDonald's intended to be a fun game? See the problem here is that you are ACTUALLY low IQ
Lmao says the guy who can't comprehend an analogy. I literally laughed irl in disbelief.

Nice side step of the Michelin star question btw.

>>94418244
>I'm not a contrarian BUT
Not what I said though is it?
>>94418244
>dude even Gordon Ramsay admits he loves mcdonald's and eats there all the time
Yeah cos Gordon Ramsey is the arbiter of quality. He must be, right? He was on all those TV shows that had mass appeal! Oh wait...

You ever heard the phrase "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach?"
Yeah there's a reason Gordon was on TV while top chefs were actually running the restaurants they owned.

>>94418257
>yes they are, that's why we live in a space age with personal phones and pcs, it may not be flying cars but it's pretty close
Average people did not create any of those things.

Keep going though lads, all 3 of you are making fantastic examples of low IQ people

>>94418266
>Half of them are smarter than that too anon.
And that half understand that popular =/= good. Which half do you think you're in anon?

>>94418267
They did not mention data at all concerning the bans lmao they mentioned community sentiment (whining)
>they said the cards were mistakes
The cards weren't even banned by WOTC and no one at WOTC said they are mistakes lmao

>>94418267
>I heard way more whining on the day of the ban than I ever heard on the days they printed those cards
because the cards were balanced and caused no problems. The arbitrary ban was naturally extremely annoying but you knew that. You're just being disingenuous because you know there's no justification for the ban. No data. Just arbitration.

>>94418277
He's conflating what was said about Nadu with the other bans

>>94418275
>analogy
Your analogy is bad because the things you are trying to make analogous are not. Popularity for entertainment is a testament to its veracity.
>sidestep
I ignored it cause it's retarded. I'd rather what at mcdonalds, what now anon?
>which half do you think youre in
Considering my IQ is 143 I know what half I'm in lol

>>94418275
>You ever heard the phrase "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach?"
Except Gordon also is a chef, not just a teacher of chefs. Keep digging that hole and thanks for proving your entire personality is built on idioms and low quality jokes from boomer comedians. You're a literal npc

>>94418277
>>94418279
they literally said the cards lead to non-games due to being so fast

>>94418292
no they didn't, Gavin just personally had beef with the card so he used his power to ban it whilst pushing the cards he does like. Because you're a sheep you fell for a blatant power play or rather you fell for it because you wanted to agree regardless of if the ban was legitimate or not

>>94418178
Because absolute extinction is the only thing that anyone has any right to be upset about, right? It's not like anyone has ever had to watch the things that they love go to shit, that never happened, there are still human beings alive on Terra and that means that every doomer is necessarily wrong.
Honestly this is a landmark for me. I've expressed the same "Hasbro printing cards for EDH was the worst thing to happen to EDH" opinion countless times on /tg/ over the last 10-12 years and this is the first time I've ever encountered any serious resistance.

>>94418292
Again anon, the people who banned the cards, had absolutely no connection to WOTC. No one admitted they were design mistakes (outside of Nadu)

>>94418147
>Do you think that Command Tower improved the game?
Who the fuck complains about command tower?

>>94418287
>Popularity for entertainment is a testament to its veracity.
Kek
You realize this is the assertion you're trying to prove right? Just reasserting it doesn't help you.
>I'd rather what at mcdonalds, what now anon?
You admit that you're seething
>Considering my IQ is 143 I know what half I'm in lol
Oh shit you must have watched so much Rick and Morty!

>>94418288
>Except Gordon also is a chef, not just a teacher of chefs
Is the joke here that you act as retarded as humanly possible? It's just a fucking phrase, the point wasn't that he was literally teaching chefs, the point is that if he was really that good at being a chef he'd be a fucking chef rather than a TV personality.
There's hundreds of chefs much better than him, and they all actually run restaurants instead.

And I know you'll need help remembering why we're even discussing this in the first place:
Because you said his opinion on McDonalds must mean McDonalds is good.

>>94418302
>Because absolute extinction is the only thing that anyone has any right to be upset about, right
correct, you're now starting to grasp that sometimes evolution looks like the end when it's only the beginning so whining that the sky is falling constantly is retarded.
You don't have the right to be upset it's been a million years, time to grow the fuck up.

>>94418310
You used that idiom confidently because you believed it was accurate. You're backpedaling now because I pointed out how stupid it was and now you're deflecting. Do your parents a favor and just kill yourself, man. Save us all the headache too.

>>94418310
Anon what is so hard for you to grasp. If a thing is supposed to be fun, it won't beocme popular if it's not fun.
>seething
I don't like fancy restaurants. My family enjoys going out to eat for birthdays and I have never chosen a fancy restaurant, because I do not like them. So what now anon? Your gotchas aren't working out for you!
>claims I'm seething and then objectively spergs because my IQ is higher
Heh

Now please, how does a piece of entertainment become popular if it's NOT entertaining? Why would people waste their money to so something that isn't enjoyable anon?

>>94418309
People who like EDH.
>>94418313
Your position is essentially fair but also intrinsically irrelevant. The human animal has always found a way to survive up until this point, that's certainly a good thing, but it doesn't change the fact that Hasbro ruined EDH. Also the human animal is probably going to go extinct (by its own hand) some time in the next 500 years. But that still doesn't change the fact that Hasbro ruined EDH.

>>94418322
>backpedaling
Kek buddy you took it so literally as to be retarded. I don't even think you realize that you did it.

It's wild to me that you just keep proving my point. Low IQ people like things with popular appeal. At every turn you're doing your best to be low IQ while trying to argue that popular things are necessarily of high quality.
God it's almost sad. Watching someone so limited by their low intelligence that they can't think outside of it.

>>94418325
>If a thing is supposed to be fun, it won't beocme popular if it's not fun.
Absolutely wrong.
How about rollerskating and lasertag? You know those things used to be so "fun" to people like 30 years ago that they could actually build huge rinks and arenas for people to go do them at. They were everywhere.
Last decade or two, they've been on an absolute decline.

What happened? Did they stop being fun or did they stop being popular?
The difference between the two isn't difficult.

>>94418325
>objectively spergs because my IQ is higher
lol
>objectively
>spergs
>my IQ is higher
lmao
>Now please, how does a piece of entertainment become popular if it's NOT entertaining?
Magic is a good game, it's entertaining, but it becomes worse and less-entertaining with every year that passes. This is pretty typical of what corporations do to popular media, they make it more popular in the short-term but they also make it worse which makes it less popular in the long-term. This isn't complicated, it isn't a high level of nuance, but it's still too much nuance for you to grasp with your unusually low IQ.

>>94418304
>>94418283
>>94418304
had to go digging a bit since you are trying to gaslight people

https://youtu.be/0zZDZ3AgxR4?si=3ikbfepYjIcyzHuq&t=1949

>>94418300
and if you don't trust either side, the rc or wotc then why should anyone listen to (you)

>>94418344
>rollerskating and laser tag
Were incredibly fun and incredibly popular as a result. Again you are showing your retardation and your example here literally supports me anon:| rollerskating and laser tag became popular because they are fun
>b-b-but they weren't popular forever
Okay...? So? Like what how is this even an argument to you. I never said all fun things will be popular, or that once popular something will always be popular, I said popular entertainment is popular for a reason (because it's fun)

>>94418363
Anon. Read what you wrote.
If popularity is a measure of fun, then how can something no longer be popular without becoming less fun?

>>94418360
>lol
>lmao
Youre welcome to construct a real sentence there buddy
>less entertaining with every passing year
>more people picking up and sticking with it with every passing year (they are doing this despite not enjoying the game it seems)!

>>94418275
Gordon Ramsay has won 17 Michelin stars over his career, thouguever
He does understand how good cooking works.

>>94418367
I think you need to read what I wrote anon ^.^ popularity is a metric for fun, when the medium in question is supposed to be entertaining, this is irrefutable. You are making the mistake of then going "well all fun things must be popular then" but thats not my logic nor does it follow from my logic.

>>94418376
>Gordon Ramsay has won 17 Michelin stars over his career, thouguever
>He does understand how good cooking works.
No, restaurants he OWNED have won those stars. The two are not synonymous.

>>94418362
>bad design cause they are auto include
Except they weren't so his argument falls flat lmao

>>94418382
>a popular thing must be fun
>unless the thing isn't as popular as it once was, in which case the 2 things are completely uncoupled for no reason.

>>94418390
You are aware Ramsey had stars and successful restaurants before becoming a celebrity.... right anon?

>>94418369
I decline to slapfight with you. Your mask is off, that's good enough for me.

>>94418397
I honestly cannot make it any clearer lmao. Saying a piece of entertainment won't get popular without being fun IS NOT the same as saying all fun things must be popular and if you can't see that you're a dipshit

>>94418411
>battered, bruised and broken laying in a pool of his own blood
>heh, i refuse to fight you (anymore as I've already been spanked)
Smart choice my guy

>>94418395
>keeps lying
you are hopeless

>>94418415
>Hasbro drops a new Commander set
>It contains cards which are more powerful and more expensive than previous commander staples
>It makes EDH less fun
>It makes EDH more popular
It's not that complicated, you're just dim.

>>94418405
Yeah bud, I can read wikipedia too and only 3 of his stars were awarded by 2001. He's also lost stars along the way.

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>>94418430
Did you watch what you linked?
>now you have 97 cards in your deck then arcane signet now you have 96 cards in your deck!
If only we had numbers to see if this argument holds water oh look we do and it doesn't!

>>94418341
>People who like EDH.
Try harder faggot no one who likes this game is going to cry that 3-5 color decks have an easier time with their mana base

>>94418444
So he...... earned Michelin stars is what you're saying? And this is somehow proof he is a hack who can only teach? What are you even trying to argue lmao

>>94418451
>no one who likes this game is going to cry that 3-5 color decks have an easier time with their mana base
lmao

>>94418438
>these cards are boring go play with and that's why everyone likes to play with them! Because it's boring of course!
>if only everyone was as smart as me so they could understand why they don't actually enjoy wat they enjoy

>>94418448
he also admitted that card was a mistake. he wasn't part of the rules committee tho so he had no hand in banning it

>>94418455
>So he...... earned Michelin stars is what you're saying?
2 of which where he was in a 10% partnership with a better chef. 3rd one in 2001 when he opened his own restaurant under the same name
When were his first TV appearances? Oh. 1997, 1999, 2000...

>And this is somehow proof he is a hack who can only teach?
Again, not the point of the fucking idiom. It doesn't literally mean "he can only teach" it means if he was good at being a chef he'd be a fucking chef and not a TV personality.
I know the only way you can win this argument is by being deliberately obtuse, but you can concede at literally any time by just not replying.

>>94418465
This but unironically. Consumer choices aren't based on what's fun, consumers (erroneously) trust Hasbro to decide what is fun, consumer decisions are based purely on what is most powerful and that's the entire problem.
You dunce, you cretin, you drone.

>>94418480
Thank you for letting everyone know you're just a solipsistic retard lmao
>well i don't like it and I LOVE FUN so it can't be good!!!

>>94418341
OH HERE WE GO ONCE AGAIN WE FIND OUT THAT THE GUY SEETHING ABOUT EDH IS A TOTAL FAGGOT LOSING HIS SHIT THAT MULTICOLOR DECKS ARE ACTUALLY VIABLE

this is why edh gets more popular every year while you continue to eat Ls, nobody agrees with you. You don't know what fun is, edh isn't ruined. You're just asshurt that your cringe cancer ass decks get bodied by actual fun decks
command tower is never going away, neither is ur dragon so cry harder.

>>94418497
>>94418480
The dude is outright mentally ill its actually quite sad now. All ego and no understanding wondering why the world is leaving him behind

>>94418480
hasbro sees that players really like xyz aspects of magic
they double down on those aspects
everyone is happy, except you. That's the real reason you're upset, you realized you're not the target audience and you've been out voted. And I bet you were so smug when jlo got banned too. But now look at you, back in your hole crying and screaming because things still aren't going your way.
All your victories are ash because you are objectively wrong in your tastes. Maybe things aren't so subjective after all, cunt.

I hate universes beyond so much bros

>>94418508
>you're being left behind!
you're the guy screaming his head off that the game isn't like it was 15 years ago lol

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>>94418517
Based

>>94418492
You're going to see it for yourself eventually (assuming you haven't already, and you might have already, because you might be a dishonest shill). No one is stupid enough to believe that power equals fun, even the dimmest paypig will eventually realize that they're being taken for a ride.
>>94418497
Enjoy playing the same deck as everyone else. Enjoy it for as long as you can, and burn as much cash as is necessary to enjoy it, and then eventually realize that I'm right.
fyi, this is another milestone for me, I've been visiting these threads infrequently for 15 years and I've never encountered anyone who claimed that 3/4/5-color decks were healthy for any format. I guess the rules committee thing changed the discussion more than I realized.

>>94418510
lolol, good post, 4/5 would read again.

>>94418535
>never encountered anyone who said 3c colour decks were healthy for the format
>in the format that quite literally was formed around 3c decks
Post your ID with all information but the date of birth blacked out i beg you lmao

I love universes beyond so much bros

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>>94418544
Cringe

>>94418542
>>in the format that quite literally was formed around 3c decks
Those decks were fair because the commanders were shit and because the color fixing was weaker. This was counterbalanced by the fact that they got to run the best staples from all 3 of their colors. You dunce, you cretin, you drone.
>Post your ID
lol, look at this paypig, look at him and laugh.
I had an ID for like 2 or 3 years, 2009-2012 or so, because I was really into draft.
Why would an EDH player ever need an ID?

>>94418569
Holy shit this is embarrassing

the netflix series will end in a scene where the mc is going to the blind eterneties and says
>we are have to go to universes.. beyond
mark rosewater my words

>>94418535
>I've been visiting these threads infrequently for 15 years and I've never encountered anyone who claimed that 3/4/5-color decks were healthy for any format. I
that's obviously a lie because I'm here right now in this thread telling you they are healthy. So clearly your perception of reality is off, or maybe your lies are pathological

>>94418582
Fair enough, I didn't mean "never ever", I meant "never before now".
>>94418580
lol, you're right about that.

>>94418569
Anon this is self defeating. 3c can't be both bad for the format but okay when you say so lol
>ID
Everyone over the ahe of 18 has an ID. Even high school students have an ID lmao you are retarded

>>94418628
Multicolor is fine as long as it isn't too powerful. When multicolor decks become too powerful it means that everyone is running the same cards (which means that the format is dying). I am genuinely astounded by your lack of intelligence. I know that this sounds silly but I'm used to 4chan posters being smarter than this.
>Everyone over the ahe of 18 has an ID. Even high school students have an ID lmao you are retarded
So what, you're not talking about Hasbro ID, you're talking about my driver's license? What is wrong with you?

>>94418654
>everyone running the same cards
A quick look at edhrec proves this argument wrong! What's next?
>hasbro ID
Was never a thing why are you so retarded lmao

artifacts are the real problem

Why are there so many retards arguing today

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If you're playing in white, you had better explain why the FRICK this isn't in every deck, right now.

>>94418692
Sir this is a voltron deck

>>94418692
my commander is kataki with artifact hate

>>94418666
>A quick look at edhrec proves this argument wrong!
It does not.
Also edhrec isn't equivalent to mtgtop8, it doesn't show what the best decks are or even what people are actually playing, it shows the decks that ideasguys want to play. But it still shows everyone running the same staples in 3/4/5-color decks which is what you'd see if a format was dying.
Also nice digits Satan.
Tell me again why you want my driver's license ID?

Do I build the mindskinner or put him in the 99 of >>94416913

>>94418752
Put him in the 99 of decks that can copy him 50 times while preventing combat damage from being prevented.

>>94418745
It does, name a staple anon and let's look at the numbers ^.^
>mtgtop8
Why would that matter? This is a casual format lol. You're all over the place, floundering, because the entire thread has called you out xD
>license
Date of birth anon! The fact you are constantly lying and rewording what other people say is a dead giveaway even you know you're wrong, or you would address what is said and not what you want to be said, and it's because you're very clearly larping

>>94418535
>I've been visiting these threads infrequently for 15 years and I've never encountered anyone who claimed that 3/4/5-color decks were healthy for any format
Is this faggot insane or something?
Who the fuck cries about 3+ colored decks.
Did a Jund player rape him?

I have a friend-turned-rival at the LGS. Basically he is salty at me because of some relationship drama. I visited the LGS for Commander after a few months of not playing, and my frenemy was there was well. He dropped the game he was playing as I walked in to join my pod. I was playing an unmodified precon, and he was playing Yoshimaru. My frenemy played Yoshimaru on turn1, and kept buffing it, and only sending it my way. The first 5 turns I was just playing tap lands, maybe tapping out into a 3-mana-rock. I died of commander damage on like turn 5. The game ends fairly soon after, and the frenemy leaves our pod to go back to what he was doing before we arrived. Very weird, and petty experience.

>>94418880
First off hash things out like an adult and if you can't just stop interacting
Second off what did the rest of the players say?
I can't imagine playing with anyone and watching them being killed playing tap lands and then the person walks away

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Anybody care to explain why this fish commands such a steep price tag?

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Say something nice to my new best fren before he kills your commander again :)
>>94418880
How'd you earn the ire of such a petty faggot?

>>94418781
Jund is charming in hindsight, it's basically designed to do nothing for 2 turns and then start slamming 2-for-1s, because it existed at a time where 2-for-1s were rare and powerful. But at the time it was pure cancer. Fairies (cancer) lead to Jund (cancer) and Jund lead to Jace, the Mindsculptor (cancer) which was used to justify a bunch of Scars-block cancer.
And Alara was really the most soulful version of a 3-color meta. If you see a deck outside of Alara-standard referring to "Jund" or "Bant" or "Grixis" it's usually a goodstuff cancer deck.

>>94419000
Weird wonder why she spiked. I bought my copy a few years back for like 3 bucks cad

>>94419032

Have any anons had joy with pic rel or other jumpstart commanders? I'll admit to being a sucker for the art style but none of them scream interesting play patterns to me

>>94419072
Arts are good but all are pretty intro level one dimensional commanders.

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>>94419069
She spiked after this fish got spoiled during MH3. She's been going back down lately.

>>94418880
I think you two should make out.

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how does Rhystic Study interact with spells being countered?

>Chud cast a spell

>Rhystic Triggers

>Timmy responsds to Chuds spell with a counterspell.

Does Chud still have to pay the one even though his spell will get countered?

>>94419122
That's retarded. At least spreading seas is on curve.

>>94419072
Most fit better in the 99 of decks.
Evereth is the strongest as she can quickly kill people with commander damage plus she can just burn everyone while also having lifelink

>>94419160
First off he would decide if he wanted to pay the one when casting it and not after being countered.
Second it's when a spell is cast it doesn't matter if it was countered.
If the counter wasn't from they rystic player he would actually draw two cards

>>94419160
Yes a countered card is still cast, its just been nullified

>>94419160
Timmy should probably let Rhystic Study's ability resolve before he decides whether or not to counter the spell. If Timmy casts the counterspell while Rhystic Study's trigger is still on the stack then the trigger will fizzle and do nothing.

>>94419198
>>94419203
Damn, I knew I was missing something but I posted anyway, Rhystic Study's ability doesn't care if the spell is countered or not.

>>94417250
I REB your counterspell. Yeah, let's keep going, this is fun!

>>94419210
No cast trigger does ^.^

>>94417404
You sound like the expert on homos

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>>94418126
>Indominus Rex
I've got a deck with her as well. It has more general options because it's in more colors but if you ever run into a Fleshbag Marauder or some equivalent then you have to hope you drew into a counter spell when Indominus entered. If not then you're in for a bad time since often your board is just her. I've got Wand Of Orcus in the deck and some other token makers to try and mitigate those kind of counters but it's not fool proof. Odric doesn't have to worry about that as much since you often have a lot of tokens to spare. On the flip side, Odric can't handle big board wipes like Indominus can since he needs other creatures with key words on the field to be at full power while she only ever needs herself and creatures in your hand which is harder to hit. I think I ended up liking Odric more but your milage may vary depending on how many turns your play group usually takes to set up their game plans.

>>94417843
Usually when I put him in play, I'm already well on my way to winning

>>94417192
Uh, yea dude

>>94418134
Usually that's the case. I've found it's often better to try and set up faster with smaller creatures. Helps keep you from being targeted since people often get tunnel vision once they hear the words " my board all has base 5/5" and it gets worse the higher you go. Though if someone opposite you at the table happens to be vomiting out several massive dinosaurs or whatever with trample by then four then sometimes it become a priority to unlock and go for it.

I hope the new set has a lot of fun vehicles

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>>94418126
Consider taking the bugpill and running odric anyways, and being able to choose whether you want to go wide or tall

>>94419478
>doesnt care about haste
>the two Sultai commanders do
I will never not be mad

>>94419488
>casually drops a 13/13 flying indestructible hexproof doublestriker and beats your skull in immediately
Please... wotc.... why....

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Rate these partner combos over the years
>Tormod+Kamahl Golgari (Reanimator)
>Falthis+Akroma (Keywords)
>Okaun+Zndrsplt (Coin Flip)
>Silas Renn+Ardenn (Spy Kit)
>Vial Smasher+Kraum (Big Spells)
>Tymna+Sidar Kondo (Hatebears)
>Ishai+Bruse Tarl (Voltron)
>Tana+Sakashima (Token Clones)
>Reyhan+Ishai (Counters)
>Ludevic+Ravos (Goad)
>Vial Smasher+Kydele (X-spells)
I dont play cedh, I go as far as high power on a couple of these

>>94419478
Killed 3 players in about 20 minutes with this dude

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>>94419554
>partner
Wait. I saw an empty seat at another table.

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Some people are ruthless, man.
>play ramp artifact
>destroy artifact
>play commander
>destroy creature
>play draw enchant
>destroy enchant
>followed by destroy land
I wanted to play too, u know.

>>94419857
So play more interaction anon. Run bolt bend or heroic intervention or counterspells or teferi's protection or anything else to keep your board safe.

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>>94419857
you did deploy your strip mine loop afterwards, right?

>>94420006
I had heroic intervention on hand from the start but at the time I had 3 mana, I cast my commander.. when I had 4, the commander got blasted.
You are.. c'mon man.
>>94420022
I have no idea what that is

>>94419000
She spiked due to outlaw support from thunder junction

>>94420036
>I have no idea what that is
I dont want to spoil the suprise once you face it.

>>94420064
Mind explaining?

>>94419248
Kind of surprised to hear you're already locking in the game without the big board buff Odric gives. Think you can share your list?

>>94420078
I didn't mind. Let me drag it out and I'll post it. It's value, good stuff and jank, if I understand those definitions right

>>94419857
Well, did he win in the end?

>>94420154
Yes, I conceded after he destroyed all my card draw, lands and commander

>>94417192
>preselling for $100
>suddenly it spikes to $140 a box
Why the fuck is it so expensive??? Isn't this shit supposed to be around for 5 years?

>>94420164
Are they printing the Jumpstart for 5 years as well? Thought it was only the main set.
Also the weebs thirst for those anime art legendaries I suppose.

>>94420164
supply and demand. happend with every main jumpstart release so far. wait for the reprint next year.

>>94420244
Collector's Boxes are the one print and done
I'm unsure if Play Boosters include Jumpstart and Beginner's Sets too but I would assume so because beginners will keep coming after the first year so why stop printing them?

>>94420285
"While I can't promise complete availability through this period, products such as Play Boosters, Beginner Box, Starter Collection, and Jumpstart Boosters will be eligible for reprints; particularly for the Play and Jumpstart Boosters, you can expect these to be made available somewhat continuously during its tenure.," says Wizards Play Network Community Manager, Nelson Brown.

>>94419857
>4p game
Just draw-go and hold protection.

>>94420110
Here it is

Commander: Kathril, Aspect Warper

Vitality Hunter
Mythos of Nethroi
Duneblast
Ajani Unyielding
Migratory Greathorn
Akroma, Vision of Ixidor
Mimic Vat
Titanoth Rex
Aerial Responder
Daring Fiendbonder
Acidic Slime
Zetalpa, Primal Dawn
Lightning Greaves
Boneyard Lurker
Abzan Charm
Majestic Auricorn
Deathsprout
Nyx Weaver
Slippery Bogbonder
Adventurous Impulse
Buried Alive
Avenging Huntbonder
Infectious Horror
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Elbrus, the Binding Blade
Nighthawk Scavenger
Deadbridge Chant
Death's Oasis
Akroma's Will
Unburial Rites
Eerie Ultimatum
Mwonvuli Beast Tracker
Hornet Queen
Sunblast Angel
The Ozilith
Leyline Prowler
Karametra, God of Harvests
Incarnation Technique
Dawnglade Regent
Soul of Innistrad
Unbreakable Bond
Despark
Cataclysmic Gearhulk
Vampiric Nighthawk
Indatha Crystal
Bonder's Ornament
Arrest
Obscuring Haze
Living Death
Vampire of the Dire Moon
Nullpriest of Oblivion
Skullwinder
Skull Prophet
Cultivate
Odric, Lunarch Marshal
Majestic Myriarch
Colfenor, the Last Yew
Merciless Eviction
Ever After
Harmonize
Elixir of Immortality

>>94420328
The NBLs I have in this are interesting but not necessary clutch cards. I can hold off 3 ppl with this deck but it's a bit of a slow starter. Boardwipes do not bother you in the least-in fact, you welcome them. Mimic Vat and Hornet Queen is a fun combo. There's a lot of ways for this deck to win. The last time I played this deck I got 21 commander damage in on my opponents in about six rounds iirc. This deck is obviously mana intensive so you definitely need to be on curve from the get-go

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>I make new Tanooki
Man I was gonna splurge for Black Friday but now I need to save for this just to get outbought by bots and scalpers...

>>94420362
It's not going to have giant tanuki balls so what's the point

>>94420367
I wish they did but you can just mpcfill those kinds of cards no?

Would block:kamigawa t:snake get me all the orochi, or will that miss some?

>>94417843
The shit posting about his weirdly worded ability was fun when he was released

>>94420362
At least it's better than the marvel trash.. but I'd still rather buy spongebob

>>94420390
Maybe.. I'm pretty sure neo kami has orochi this will probably include all but also some non creature

https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aorochi&unique=art

>>94419072
Slinza is seriously really fun but it's a pretty basic and straightforward Gruul deck with a commander that enables you to run some Beasts that you normally wouldn't with somewhat flexible creature removal in the command zone. I want to test Taeka Ninjas but like >>94419181 said I need to test if he's better in the command zone or in the 99 with one of the Satorus in the zone also I don't wanna pay $25 for the fat fuck

I have four Mountains, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, and Burnished Heart on the battlefield. I sac Burnished Heart to find two more Mountains. Do I get two triggers from Valakut?

>>94420447
Looks like yes

>>94420447
Yea, scapeshift decks do that but with 6 mountains at a time.

>>94420447
You have to have 5 Mountains before they enter, so no, it does nothing from Valakut

>>94420164
presales are always discounted
it didn't spike, it returned to baseline
anyway I found it for $110 so skill issue

>>94420495
lol, yea, it's a "before a mountain enters the battlefield" effect, everyone knows that.

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>pre-order product at lgs ages ago
>release comes around
>sorry anon. we didnt get enough for everyone. you'll be the first who gets it once we get our restock
>restock happens 27. december earliest
>know for a fact I was the first person to place the pre-order

>>94420512
Yeah it would be different if they didn't come in at the same time but since you had 4 Mountains before they entered Valakut checks and sees you had 4 other Mountains before the 2 new ones came in from Burnishing

>>94420528
No it doesn't, nothing in magic works like that, it triggers twice (once for each mountain, this happens regardless of how many you have), and then when each trigger resolves it will count your mountains and see 6 of them.

>>94420468
>>94420493
Thanks
>>94420495
Do I not control the mountains as they enter?

>>94420362
should i buy the this or the final fantasy decks that will come?

>>94420551
Np

Unban Mana Crypt

>>94420523
ask for a refund then, get it somewhere else

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>>94420547
Read the fucking card anon. "Whenever a Mountain enters the battlefield under your control, if you control AT LEAST 5 OTHER MOUNTAINS"
You don't have 5 Mountains before Burnishing Hart puts the 2 new Mountains for 6 Mountains total. THAT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

Jesus Christ I guess we're just making shit up now huh???? God I'd hate playing at your LGS, I'd have to ruleshark just to have a half-decent game.

>>94420615
lol
I don't know if this matters to you or not, but I think you're just here to grief the thread because you hate Hasbro, and I think that you've done it before, and I don't blame you.

>>94420627
I think you're gaslighting people on purpose because you're just too stupid to read the cards and understand how they work. You don't get to freely interpret how game mechanics play out, this shit isn't Yugioh.

>>94419203
the trigger does not fizzle dude

>>94420615
>being this aggressively wrong
Ask a judge, not the retards you pod with, because you all probably think alike.

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>>94420615
>Read the fucking card anon.

>>94420615
ok so valakut sees the mountains enter right, then it asks "do you control at least 5 other mountains", do you control at least 5 other mountains anon?

>>94418692
>enters the battlefield tapped
Lol
Lmao even

>>94420615
Anon, if two mountains entered at the same time, it'll see you have 6 mountains lol they both trigger one another

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>>94421057
No it doesn't the prerequisite is right there on the card.
1)Land enters
2)Valakut checks
3)You had 4 Mountains before they entered so effect is not live
4)Lands resolve
5)Valakut is now live because you have 6 Mountains
If you can prove me wrong with errata or ruling go ahead, but otherwise I follow what the card says and whatever is printed, goes. Zendikar Rising Expedition didn't change a thing so my ruling is right unless they changed the ruling outside of the game.

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>>94421122
>2 Lands Enter under one ability
>Valakut triggers and checks how many mountains you control (6)
>valakut deals damage for each land since you control 5 other mountains

>>94421145
Ouch

>>94421145
>this one anon was smarter than the entire rest of the thread
Thanks

>>94421122
>You had 4 Mountains before they entered so effect is not live
>before they entered
they ENTERED at the same time, meaning you have 6 mountains you fucking dingdong
>lands
>resolve
hahahahahhahhahaha

>>94421159
Hey I said it triggers, damn

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>>94416952
Imagin topdecking a card that literally does nothing

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>>94421122
>If you can prove me wrong with errata or ruling go ahead

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>>94416952
if you are thinking about running a bunch of cantrips you might want to throw in a few of those cards that double your draw so they start going card positive. they work best with big cantrip decks

>>94421208
All they had to do is say "5 other Mountains" boom, simple
At least confuses the board state for multiple lands entering, do you really expect beginners to know when that board state is legal vs illegal?

>>94420362
Not even going to waste my time trying to beat out scalpers and exploiters

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>or is put into the command zone
Is this piece of text virtually useless now? I know it was written that way because of how exiling used to work, but now it doesn't anymore and I can only think of one card that puts something directly into the command zone.

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>>94421651
there's a few cards that send to command zone still.

>>94417067
After you solve it it stays on the battlefield. You can sacrifice whenever you have a target or targets you want to case from your graveyard.

>>94420965
>>94421208
Why are you posting your selfies?

>>94418517
I liked 40K and LotR (except Negrogorn), but if we are going to get sets like Marvel and Secret Lairs like Spongebob I'd just rather not have any UB. Not worth it.

>>94421803
I liked Dr Who and fallout. I'm also looking forward to marvel and Spongebob. I hope they remove 40k and lotr in its entirety from mtg, because I don't like it.

>>94421803
what are your thoughts on final fantasy ub?

>>94420523
they don't want your business. they are giving your pre orders to some chad

>>94418692
THREE MANA
DO NOTHING

>>94421868
sovl
fuck a powercreep

>>94421825
Fits in better with MTG flavor than Marvel

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I want to make a Brothers Yamazaki deck with "Partnered" brothers. Would you as a player be OK with playing against that?

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>>94421924
>collect all the ave- i mean planeswalkers to take down tha- i mean nicol bolas
you sure?

>>94421122
permanents which enter as the result of the same effect enter at the exact same time, and for anything that would count any of those permanents, they are all of them in play and counted for each of those effects. Ally decks made a lot of use of this.

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>>94421983
mb2 unofficially endorsed this idea

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How do you get around Dovin's Veto? My win con (Thoracle) was countred this way and I had no idea how to deal with it.

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>>94421997
Is "partner with" supposed to work differently than "partner" in the command zone? I always just put them side by side at the start of the game, but "partner with" doesn't actually say you can do that. Have I been playing wrong this whole time?

>>94422027
bait used to be believeable

>>94422028
no, partner with works that way too. it just also has another ability to tutor its partner if it's not your commander

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>>94422027
Use a spell that exiles instead of countering or change the target to the spell that's changing its target to make its target invalid and have it fizzle.

>>94422028
For the purposes of commander, "Partner with" means that you can have 2 commanders, but ONLY if the other one meets the condition(s) listed.
Meanwhile, "Partner" means that you can have 2 commanders, as long as both of them have the "Partner" ability.

Basically, for Commander, "Partner" is short for "Partners with other legendary creatures with Partner"

>>94422036
Okay, that's good. I was worried for a second, since I'm supposed to be able to understand the card by reading the card, but I never looked too closely at the wording of the effect.

>>94422040
>"Partners with other legendary creatures with Partner"
imagine if this was true and you could tutor any partner creature with any other partner creature on etb lmao

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>>94422027
Bounce the veto

>>94422040
Does that mean generic Partnet commanders can search the library for the other one? Most of the time they'll just be in the command zone, but having the option to shuffle your deck like that can be useful.

>>94422058
it doesn't, anon is wrong with his generalization

>>94422027
Bounce the spell to hand as that doesn't count as countering a spell

>>94422064
>>94422055
>>94422039
thoracle can't be countered by veto you morons

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any super secret tech besides putrid goblin and lands/artifacts tapping commander for mana?

>>94422027
Chain Cyclonic Rift on yourself

>>94422069
I assumed he meant they countered part of the combo and not a creature.
Still nothing I said was wrong about how to get around stuff that can't be countered

>>94422070
harmonic prodigy, good etb/ltb effects bc they do still die with undying, hex parasite to eat the 1/1 counters for more undying

>>94422069
Thoracle on its own is just a scry X and not a wincon retard

>>94422055
Can the spell that was bounced(Dovin's Veto) be recast if they have the mana?

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>>94422084
>remove counters
thanks, I totally forgot about that

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>>94422069
There are many noncreature ways to make a Thoracle

>>94421145
>each ability takes into consideration the other Mountains that entered at the same time as the one that caused it to trigger
this does not mean what you think it does
that particular line is saying "if two enter on top of 4 then it counts 4 at the same time for both ETBs" because of the "other" mountains part

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>>94422111
Yes unless you tuck it

>>94421145
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't see how this explains what happens when you go from 4 to 6 mountains

>>94422124
that's actually not what it says, what it's saying is "Each ability takes into consideration the other Mountains that entered at the same time as the one that caused it to trigger." meaning they consider (see) each other and deal the 5 monutain damage twice.
reading is tough

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>>94422027
Have a creature and equip it with this

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>>94422147
>Chud: I cast Dovins Veto to counter you win con

>Me: In Response put spell on top of your library 2nd from the top

>Chud is visibly confused.

I love it! thanks Anon.

>>94422070
Going for goblin synergy in Gut felt like a trap for me, you get so much more value if you abandon the tribal theme. I run her with Iron Throne but I think the same cards would do work for you: Harmonic Prodigy, Mogg War Marshal, Daring Piracy, Loyal Apprentice, Breath of Fury (you can go infinite with this)

>>94416952
You're paying a mana to maybe be able to throw out a sorcery once and as a cantrip. It doesn't really change the board state, it's dependant on you having sorceries worth casting in hand when Alela should be packed to the gills with instants.

It's not a bad card, but EDHrec is usually about the "best of the best" suggestions for higher power decks. By all means use it anon, but it's not even top 10 of the best 1 mana cantrip instants you could be running for her.

>>94422164
Once a spell or ability begins to resolve, only the effects of that spell or ability can happen (putting triggers or other spells onto the stack or into play). Once it's fully resolved, other triggers can begin to resolve. So you go from 4 mountains in play, resolve a myriad landscape, having 2 mountains enter under your control then since you had a mountain enter during the resolution of the ability, Valakut checks how many other mountains you have in play besides the triggering mountain (5) putting the 3 dmg trigger onto the stack which resolves, then since you had a mountain enter during the resolution of the ability, Valakut checks how many other mountains you have in play besides the triggering mountain (5) putting the 3 damage trigger onto the stack, which resolves. Now the stack is fully resolved.

>>94422231
>It's not a bad card, but EDHrec is usually about the "best of the best" suggestions for higher power decks
Is it? I see it more like a "nerds with too much time on their hands spam edhrec.com with countless deck lists"
Nothing about edhrec says anything about the viability of any given deck.
I can make 400 deck lists with the shittiest cards and it will be on there. That's why you see certain very rare cards from the reserve list "3000" times in one variant of a deck or whatever, because they are just very good and fit into those decks. They aren't in 3000 decks. They are in 3000 deck lists, online, on edhrec.

>>94422164
Lands don't go on the stack or "resolve". From the moment an effect puts them on the board they will be taken into account next time SBAs are checked (before valakut has a chance to trigger), so when it does trigger it sees all

>>94422208
>Iron Throne
I'm trying to build her with it too, but in the majority of test games, I never found the right time to bring it out of the command zone. what's your general strategy here?
>Breath of Fury
neat, didn't know about it, even works with some goblins

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>>94416949
Yes.

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>>94422409
Ziatora's big balls?

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>>94422476
BIGGER!

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>>94422535
EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

>>94422052
yeah i rather forgot about the tutoring effect. it's something that's never registered with me. mb

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>>94422562
BURN IT ALL DOWN!

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>>94422601
BURN IT AGAIN

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>>94422628
AND AGAIN!

>>94421019
>>94421868
>play 2 mana rock
>get 1 mana

>play Wand of the Worldsovl
>tapped for 1 turn (can easily be untapped by other shit, but okay)
>get as much mana as you have creatures

You'd have to be some kind of retard to think this is overcosted or too slow. It is literally the greatest return on investment of any 3 mana rock.
It's white, you have shit loads of 2 and 1 mana creatures, and the best token generation in the game. You could very easily get 10 or more mana out of this fucker by turn 4

>>94422231
>You're paying a mana to maybe be able to throw out a sorcery once and as a cantrip. It doesn't really change the board state, it's dependant on you having sorceries worth casting in hand when Alela should be packed to the gills with instants.
Bruh >>94417146

>>94422601
how many legends are you actually sacrificing in a ziatora deck

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>>94422028
You can't play a partner as a partner commander with "partner with" commander, partner with requires the specific other partner with in the command zone. It has the tutoring effect stapled as a bonus in case you have them in the 99. Partner with doesn't really refer to commanders because of the tutoring thing, since there's some partner with cards that aren't legendary.

>>94422804
partner with can still be an interesting ability in the command zone since you can get a free deck shuffle out of it

>>94422837
Sure, I just don't like how it pigeonholes you into specific pairing, so it limits the creativity. I especially dislike Haldan and Pako, since Haldan is basically worthless by itself, it does nothing without the pooch.

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Remember a while back when i was sharting on Foundation saying the only good card from the set was Kiora?
I feel it, it's coming. Priced abnormally low on goldfish while the buyback prices are pushing higher every day. Top seller from the set on MKM this week.
If you don't have your copy yet, the best time to get one is now. The set is so fantastically shitty i could see half the set's EV going into Kiora alone. Card is poised to do a bitcorn.

>>94422861
>i was sharting on Foundation saying the only good card from the set was Kiora?
Please tell me you were baiting, because that is one of the most retarded takes possible.

>>94422872
I'm dead serious. But surely your timmy's ass will prove me wrong, right?