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What's the most impressive/outside the box effect you've gotten from low sphere magic?

I'm going to play a Malkavian in an upcoming game but I'm having trouble coming up with a derangement that's going to be fun to play but not grating to the other players. Does anyone have a story of times they've seen a derangement pulled off really well? Either a PC or NPC, just one that stood out to you.

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>>94573060
Used Correspondence Level 1 - Immediate Spatial Perceptions which allows you to locate things you cannot perceive with your normal senses to find the clitoris.

>>94573165
Friend of mine played a Malk whose derangement was never feeling emotions. He didn't just Not Felt Emotions, he was also a doctor and thought emotions were a disease, and his use of Dementation was the cure. I think this derangement is from Clanbook revised, we had just gifted him a copy back then.

Quite a big role playing challenge, as we usually joke a lot in our games and sometimes you have to move between laughing your ass out to putting on your poker face.

It paid off for us because the guy had a great sense of deadpan humour, he'd say the silliest of shits for us to laugh at with a completely stone cold face.

But ofttimes we'd see him making that face you make when you go for tequila, salt and lime but there's no salt or tequila while RPing - that was him doing his best to hold himself from laughing at something. When I noticed this I just told him to hold up the hand gesture we used to communicate we were speaking in off, and just laugh his ass out.

>>94573172
That sounds impossible, are you sure it wasn't her penis?

>>94573424
>That sounds impossible
Not impossible, just vulgar.

Very, very vulgar.

>>94573060
Using Corresponence 1, Force 1, and Time 1 to become a kung-fu powerhouse.
All martial arts are just learning how to intuitively apply force over various distances with proper timing. With all of the above, I have a perfect intuitive sense of force, distance, and time.

>>94573655
Based dubs knows whats up.

I did a similar thing once but without Time. I don't remember what was the bonus the ST gave but I remember it wasn't much to write home about. My character was a Hermetic (the singed idiot) trying to get Dual Tradition - Akashic, by training on their dojo and getting his ass kicked every day.

The things we do for Do.

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>>94572864
You forgot to enter a subject

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>>94573689
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>>94573689
AH.

I see it now. The title.

Yes, you are correct. I fucked up and didn't notice it before.

>>94572864
>Do you have any stories about dealing with Infernalists?
i was in a chronicle where we played a infernalist sabbat pack in camarilla territory with us each being a different sort of infernalist so we had a abyss mystic lasombra, spectre dealing harbringer, wyrmish setite (althought the player started as a malkavian with investments), a toreador with arcana and me a tremere with dark thaum and a few investments later

it was very fun, in the end after fucking around with infernal powers for real life months, banishing or sealing several demons just so we didn't have to pay for our shit, turning the setite into a draugr fomori, torturing several ghosts into becoming spectres, a good amount of diablery and the death of our rival pack. karma hit us after we decided to actually do our job for our sect and afterwards a demon managed to enslave half of the pack (with the other half already beind dead) because it either just showed up at the exact right time to offer us a way out of certain death after we attacked a meeting of several local princes and couldn't handle the fallout or it was working with the squad of camarilla archons and their goons that came after us for it and maneuvered us between a rock and a hard place

atleast our lasombra might have had a way out because he also already sold his soul to the abyss, but the story ended there

>>94572864
>>Thread Question
>Do you have any stories about dealing with Infernalists?
Nope. This is the one thing in WoD I ban on my table. I'd sooner recognize "Hecata" as a clan than allow Infernalism as a concept on my table.
Why? Because it makes absolutely no sense, as a Magefag, it limits the use of real-life occultism as sources for ideas. First, it assumes working with demons is "always bad" when there's plenty of variations of the Solomonic paradigm that see them as allies and teachers - it would make no sense for the Hermetics to not have studied these ideas. On that same thread, Demon: the Fallen is all about playing sympathetic demons. Sure, there's naturally a strong element of gray morality, but not only the book itself opens with the story of a merciful (by demonic standards) character, but some of the "end of the world" scenarios are either about redeeming Lucifer or justifying his actions.
Second, it invites retarded concepts such as "Qliphotic spheres" or even worse, anything from The Book of the Fallen which is probably the worst thing to happen to Mage and proof that those fuckers would print anything except good ideas.
The reason why I got into Mage is because, unlike D&D or other games, it offers a nuanced take on mysticism that allows me to use my knowledge of real world occultism in a creative way. Infernalism and most Nephandi related stuff completely break that.
Now, that doesn't mean I don't use evil demons (I like to treat them with degrees of nuance - some demons are less than animals, others are a lot more complex much like playable demons in DtF). Nor does it mean I don't use Nephandi (these fuckers are unapologetically evil). It just means I kick out a good chunk of the "canon" on the topic.

TL;DR Anything related to demons, demonology or demonolatry is treated with some nuance in my games. There might be a taboo around it, but I reject the "always evil no matter what" concept.

>>94573781
...you wouldn't happen to be Hungarian, would you?

You can't just ask someone if they're Hungarian.

>>94573918
People can't consent to being Hungarian.

>>94573926
Nor should they.

Odd question but does oWoD have anything whatsoever about aliens?
If so, whereabouts?

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>>94573781
>Infernal creatures aren't always bad
>Demons are nuanced creatures
>Not irredeemably eeeebil at all
>The book of the fallen is slop

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>>94574053
You mean aliens as in Greys or Aliens as in anything from outside of Planet Earth?

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>>94574053
Chilling with Infernalists somewhere past the Deep Umbra.

>>94574068
Both, either.
Player in a W:tA thing I’m about to ST is thinking about going full into stuff about the Deep Umbra, idea he’s got is a Stargazer who is trying to work out if there’s other Gaia-like Celestines out there, and if so, could they help against the Wyrm?

>>94574101
well there are these guys
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Ka_Luon

>I'm a Metis Theurge from a Shadow Lord father and and Uktena mother... but I was abandoned, raised by Silent Striders that taught me their gifts. Now the patrons of my ancestors have come to me, showing me the gifts of both tribes, if I promise to harness the power of magic and deception to combat vampires and the Wyrm for all my life...
How do you respond to this character pitch?

>>94574053
There are several mentioned but a lot of them are left ambiguous as to whether they are really aliens or just weird Umbra spirits. The main ones are the Ka Luon who are greys and the Zigg'raugglurr which are weird higher dimensional energy beings that eat Mage avatars for fuel. The technocracy has been in contact with them for a while. There's also giant evil squids called Watchers in the Dark that are possibly connected to Nephandi.

>>94574144
>”Take some points in a personal totem to represent your ancestor spirits for it. That promise is your ban now. The extra gift access isn’t as exciting as you think it is, that shit’s still gonna cost you experience.”
It’s not an unreasonable character concept.
>>94574125
Will give it a look, thank you Anon.
>>94574094
Probably going to use this unironically as well.

>>94574166
>Nephandi
Well, I know what I’m doing now

Is there any public domain creature that isn't in the world of darkness, at this point?

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>>94574249
And moreover:

Mickey Mouse is now Public Domain.

In a few years, so will Superman and Batman.

We'll finally be able to play this game the way it was meant to be played.

>>94574178
There are supposedly a lot of Nephandi in space/deep umbra because it's a big dark void and that's basically their whole thing. Also you don't have to worry about paradox out there so you can be a 3000 year old space lich hanging out with Cthulhu on your evil torture planet or whatever. They even have a merit for surviving in the void of space, if you want deep umbra antagonists Nephandi and evil space aliens teaming up are a great idea.

>>94574360
Said player mentioned that someone in WW wanted to do Xenofactor to cover aliens, and I kinda wanna make it happen myself now.
>oWoD Xenofactor would be Xcom on the tabletop.
>NWoD Xenofactor would be a mashup of Changeling and Promethean but with Martian Greys in place of Gentry. Also Idigam would be involved.
For now though, I think I’m gonna go the Nephandi star lich like you’re suggesting.

>>94574256
There's like a DC vs. Vampires story where Superman - a living solar battery - gets turned into a vampire and honestly it's pretty terrible. The outcome where Dracula bit into Superman and had just enough time to realize he fucked up before exploding from drinking concentrated sun juice is best.

>>94574360
I always imagine those deep lore edgelord Time Lords when I think of Nephandi hanging out in space all the time.

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what's their clans?

>>94574483
Batman is Ventrue to a T. Easily 5 in both resolve and composure, high fortitude to prevent people from reading him with Auspex, ‘gets shit done’ attitude, and that’s before we get into his 5 dots in resources.

>>94574483
I've only read the right, I'd say Tzimisce

>>94574483
Kirk Langstrom got (slight) super speed, batman stealth, can see in the darkness and can grow claws (the wings are artificial)

so city gangrel

>>94574570
Honestly a good fit tbqh, even if the City Gangrel Discs are cringe

>>94574856
well he should be a caitiff given that he accidently embraced himself in a experiment but he got those powers

he also has slight levitation at the time of the movie but still needs the wings to fly which is very gargoyle like so you could also give him protean, celerity and flight instead i guess?

>>94569898
>implying the femboys aren't the 1%
Reminder that tremere ditched the most significant relationship of his life because the other guy's dick stopped working (and was perfectly happy to pilot around said dickless body himself).
Vampire is a book about sucking out other people's bodily fluids, and being afraid of scary elders who might do the same to you. Bottoms are on top.

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For plot reasons, my Mage players have to fight Hunters.
Mind you, these Mages are all Arete 3 and have gotten their hands on some powerful toys. One has a Rank 5 Familiar so she's gotten really comfortable with just teleporting around when in trouble, even if she's really good at coincidental magick. Another guy is relatively bad at coming up with coincidental effects, but since he has Matter, Prime and Forces 3 he hands out weapons, bulletproof jackets or forcefield generators like they're candy. The third one has a thing for "soft" mind control AKA fucking with people's emotions, also has Time 3.

In other words, I need help making these Hunters a serious threat for relatively proficient mages.

Now, for the enemy Hunters:
>At least one of them is definitely Imbued, but is like 19 years old.
>As of 7 years prior to the events of the chronicle, their experience killing Mages was limited to Orphans and Hollows, nothing above Arete 2. Ideally they would've become a lot more dangerous since.
>I'm more than open to making multiple Imbued characters to serve as the "lieutenants"
>Led by a mother and son (Imbued) duo seeking revenge on one of the PCs. Religious, but motivated by selfish vengeance and merely using "faith" as an excuse so I can't really see them using True Faith
>The group condemns magic users for "daring to defy reality to put themselves above their fellow man"
>Considering having multiple sleeper hunters to serve as cannon fodder
>Equipment? Very well armed militia. Armored vehicles, banned firearms and ammo, etc.
>Special equipment? No idea yet

Help me brothers. This is supposed to be a major character defining story arc, I don't want them to just steamroll the enemy.

>>94574967
Today is really a bad day for me to help because i am at a work Christmas thing all day (pray for me) so I don’t have the books on me but i want to say that the guy being 19 is not much of a problem because imbued are a flash fire they level really fast and then die: you are meant to reach 5 dots in a single chronicle and the entire splat was only around for 4-5 years in canon before the time of judgment and most npcs also reached the high end before that and several other imbued reached it before them so if that guy has been imbued for 3 years or so (16 wouldn’t be the youngest imbued) then he might already have 5 dot edges and is just waiting for someone to burn out against before his mind fully breaks

Imbued also usually hunt in groups because the schizo signs lead them to each other so unless the guy got imbued yesterday he should atleast know other imbued

Red Talon pussy got me acting unwise.

>>94573670
>Be Akashic Sorcerer, a trainee of the institution. You work hard hours every day, training, living, praying together to gain the simplest parts of Do. It's challenging, but also rewarding. You have spent years learning, and you're considered a valuable prospect of the brotherhood, so long as you pass their secret final test
>Enter dojo one morning
>A white guy, moustache and beard straight out of LotR, is fumbling around in the dojo, muttering something about the sigils of Mars and for Chronos's blessing, being taught by your sensei, personally. Literally looks like he's starting out at martial arts, doesn't even have a proper uniform, he's wearing some unholy mixture of western exercise clothing and a suit
>Try to silently ask your sensei about it, he ignores you, basically waves his hand away
>After the session, finally get the chance to talk to him about it
>He's already been selected to become an honorary member of the brotherhood, which makes him your senior. He's passed their final test without even a single understanding of the flow of Ki needed to launch a single punch with proper movements.
>Doesn't know a single Buddhist passage, but seems eager to learn.
>Despite lacking martial ability, wins every spar he's involved in through a combination of good luck and ungainly speed for his physicality.
>He graduates in less than 2 years of training, this is your 5th year after becoming a trainee at 13. He's not even that technically competent
>This is humiliating, and all of your juniors are just as confused, it not more so.
I should use Dual Traditions more, great way to set up some early game minor antagonists.

>>94574967
To detect mages, an Edge called Witness would work.
Long-term, a hunter could use Brand, which would mark that mage as an enemy of all hunters for a considerable amount of time. Maybe a month at most, really. Short-term, edges like Burden could prevent the characters from running away or teleporting for a short while, Confront would sap their willpower as the fight goes on. Using Ravage at least once on a bigger looking character would take one of them out of the fight to heal.

Other edges to look into would be Bluster, Protect, Condemn (which for a mage would cause a Paradox Backlack if successful), and Balance.
This puts you at most level 4 Edges, no supernuke level 5 Edges needed. In terms of weapons, if you shoot a mage, it can die, if you cut a mage, it bleeds. Mages have no special weakness to abuse, apart from their own mistakes, but three mages is a lot to contend with for any splat if they have prep time.

>>94573781
>as a Magefag
Opinion discarded.

>>94575472
>To detect mages, an Edge
Let me stop you there. The second sight already works. The reason hunters fight mages at all is because the second sight already picks them up as "Wrong".
This also has disturbing implications in deep lore, because it means the messengers are anti-humanity. Mages are humans finally realizing their innate potential, the messengers wanting mages gone means they want to Destroy that potential.

>>94575515
>Mages are humans finally realizing their innate potential
Not in owod, in owod they're just the hosts to an alient parasite.

>>94575515
I think the implication was that the messengers were the last two angels left in the world + Lucifer. God didn't want humanity to start tapping their potential, so it tracks for the former two.

>>94575515
Second sight only tells the hunter that the thing is supernatural, not the type of supernatural creature it is. If the hunter wants to know what exactly they're going up against, they need a special power.

>>94574144
Without pointing out some lore mistakes (there's a whole SL Camp who adopts and takes care of Metis, so his concept goes down the drain right at the beggining) because this would be boring, I would make him buy Fate background and Geas flaw. I would also remember him that this does not mean it'll be easier to buy Gifts or making easier chiminage with Spirits.
This would be a reasonable answer, sure.
But truth is I would forbid this character 'cause this is blatantly someone who wants all powers without limitations.

>>94575550
Nice headcanon.

>>94574144
That's not how this works. He's a silent strider that has access to silent strider gifts as far as the garou nation is concerned.
He's essentially trying to say that his garou ancestors, the same people who built the current status quo, are now defying everything they ever believed in to help this one unremarkable cub who doesn't even have purebreed.

>>94574144
I'm with the others, this feels like a stretch in what you're allowed to do both lorewise and mechanically. If you want gifts from outside of your tribe, you'll just have to work for them. The geas or promise concept is a thing that happens when learning gifts normally, too. A spirit might teach you a gift under the promise that you never use it in open combat, for example.

>>94575967
I think that the hypothetical player chose Theurge as auspice because Book of Auspices clearly says a Theurge - more than other auspices - have their way with spirits to convince them to teach gifts outside their Tribe and auspice. Sure, they always keep this a secret 'cause of dire consequences the garou will suffer, but a gift outside your list is still a gift.
My kinfolk character will one day Transform under theurge moon and I'm gonna try to learn some outside gifts, but I'm curious to see how my ST will handle that.

>>94573172
>spoilers
What the fuck is that??

>>94574144
This reminds me of a Tremere player I played with: She and her husband played a Tremere couple, him being the Sire and she the Childe, Hades and Persephone style story.
She was a romani woman whose kumpania was secretly protected by a Gangrel. The tremere man fell in love with her and Embraced her not knowing she was already promised to the Gangrel.
To not start a bloody feud, both local clan leaders made a pact: During X decades, she would belong to the Gangrel and then go back to the Tremere and so on. To guarantee no Clan would use her to learn secrets from each other, her memories would be locked away everytime. She would obviously remember key events, but more than that is impossible. She essentiatly had two character sheets.
Too bad she and her sire died before her time with Tremere ended. I was pretty curious to see her as Gangrel.

>>94576398
>She and her husband played a Tremere couple
Who would roleplay as the gangrel chad who got to fuck the girl?

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>>94574408
I only saw some memes about it.

We've had Vampire DC, we've had Furries DC, it's only missing Mages DC now.

>>94575231
wat

>>94575350
We did had a dojo apprentice that became jelly over the fact suddenly all their masters were more interested in a white belt college britboy kid.

>>94575550
Only if you consider the mitochondrion to be alien parasites.

The Beast is external to a Human's Pattern - the Avatar is not. Sleepers have it too.

>>94575568
Mage had the Sphix, Hunter had the Messengers, much like Voormas and Tremere, all of those elements should've been the same but Muh Game Line Separashuns stopped a proper, concise metaplot, from existing.

>>94575833
Dubs of truth.

>>94576329
Pic related.

>>94576398
Something something women are the ball.

>>94576418
Something something lawn cuckchairs.

>>94575986
It's typically only after a garou has a decent amount of rank and sept-influence that they start dipping their toes into forbidden gifts.
Elders are the standard for this. At least half the printed elders have some out-of-auspice/tribe gifts and for good reason, who the fuck is going to stop them?
Athro is also workable, but they have to look over their shoulder because elders might come down on them like a ton of bricks(likely to deflect and distract other garou from looking at the elder's gifts too closely).
Adren is probably the earliest you could conceivably get away with this, but it's unlikely. Anything lower should be a hard no.

>>94576398
Why did the ST let a couple use his game for their cuckshit ERP?
>>94576437
>lawn cuckchairs
Wait, when did a mage strat fucking his wife?

>>94576418
>>94576456
He never appeared in our sessions, sadly. However, she did had a pleasant relationship with local Gangrel.
Unfortunatly, she was at second drink with her Sire due to some failed astral projection incursion. He didn't want make her drink a second time, but it was the best to save her.

>>94576438
>It's typically only after a garou has a decent amount of rank and sept-influence that they start dipping their toes into forbidden gifts.
Sure, this should be a common sense when playing, but Book of Auspices says nothing about time/rank requirement for a Theurge trying to go for an out-of-list Gift.

>>94576456
>Wait, when did a mage strat fucking his wife?
Considering their background, I'm more inclined to thing its a Tzimisce.

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>>94576495
>a Tzimisce willing touching a Tremere, let alone fucking one.

>>94576456
>Why did the ST let a couple use his game for their cuckshit ERP?
kek

>>94576509
Hate-fucking is a lot of fun, Anon.

Not exactly healthy, but fun.

The hatey-panky.

>>94576456
>Why did the ST let a couple use his game for their cuckshit ERP?
My money is the he was going to play the gangrel

>>94576467
>A couple Not blood-bonding each other to protect against outside vampire trying to roofie them
This was 110% a fetish thing.

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>>94576398

>>94572864
>Do you have any stories about dealing with Infernalists?
The first VtM chronicle I played fell apart before we could get there, buuuut...

>V5 Chicago, Camarilla
>Coterie is Tremere and Lasombra ancillae, Toreador and Nosferatu neonates
>Lasombra is a former Sabbat Inquisitor
>ST secretly makes Toreador come from an infernalist lineage (unknowingly)
>Toreador has prophetic dreams of infernalism (Auspex)
>Lasombra discovers it's infernalism and he's from an infernalist bloodline with a test allowed because of her backstory
>ST expects Lasombra to be quiet about Toreador's lineage because it's her coterie mate
>She exposes it to the assembled court, Primogen and Prince included
>We break our backs to rescue him for no reason other than him being a player character
>ST has a mental breakdown because this ruined his plot, two months of hiatus so he can rewrite the plot
>Ravnos methuselah NPC turns the city upside down because he likes Toreador NPC
>The dominoes somehow lead to werewolves taking over the city, but by this point I'm out of the chronicle already

Making an NPC for a vamp game who has the goal of defeating entropy and literally living forever. I'm not too familiar with high end stuff for vampires, would that be possible for them to do? Are there other splats to dip into that can do such a thing? The idea is he elists the party to help him, abd I'm not afraid to just make shit up for it having an actual set method would be nice

>>94576785
>ST has a mental breakdown because this ruined his plot, two months of hiatus so he can rewrite the plot
What?
What was the toreador so important for that the plot died without him? Why couldn't the ST just throw the coterie a pet malkavian prophet npc to keep things moving along after plan 1 fell apart?

>>94576815
Not hard, they literally just need to become a mummy. It takes a Nuke to destroy a mummy's body permanently, and even then it's only mildly inconvenient because the mummy can ask an in-splat nercomancer to reincarnate him with all his powers or build him a new body entirely.

>>94576785
My first time STing VTM, I had this long-ass plot about political intrigue and backstabbery prepared, and the first thing one of my players does to the first NPC Kindred they meet is knock it down and diableirise it on the CHANCE that it might lower their generation.

My entire plot, gone, like tears in the rain.

I spent the next eleven years STing that Chronicle and I never wrote anything for it after that first session, everything was improvised, on the spot.

I found it to be an amazing exercise in creative thinking on your feet and I absolutely recommend running a Chronicle like that one day. It's not gonna be the best thing you ever STed but it's gonna be unpredictable and will stretch your creative muscles quite a lot.

>>94576872
>first thing one of my players does to the first NPC Kindred they meet is knock it down and diableirise it on the CHANCE that it might lower their generation
And probly got blood hunted for being an obvious diablerizer? Especially given their poor impulse-control makes them a danger to vampire society at large.

>>94576821
>What?
>What was the toreador so important for that the plot died without him? Why couldn't the ST just throw the coterie a pet malkavian prophet npc to keep things moving along after plan 1 fell apart?
I think it was a mostly about the consequences of us saving him and everyone finding out there were infernalists in our midst which led to Ravnos Methuselah secretly blood-bonding the Prince among other things...

It was a huge mess, overall.

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>>94576888
Look at those Trips man. That's some serious good shit, right there.

You can read up what happened to that group here: >>94557209

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>>94576917
>diablerist muderhobos with infernal tied tear apart the city and luck their way into avoiding justice
>"A healthy society cannot afford pariahs"
Please tell me that this was a tongue-in-cheek and your players had the self awareness to pic-related.

>>94577044
You are oversimplifying the situation by forgetting about all the other NPCs that helped in the takeover. The PCs alone couldn't have pulled it off.

They just took advantage of the fact the Prince liked to keep around Kindred he should've either have banished or destroyed in order to control 'em.

If the Prince wasn't a fuckwit and actually did his job like he was supposed to, the PCs would have been destroyed very quickly and whatnot, but noooo, he had to try and take advantage of the situation. Another lesson here is that not every crisis is an opportunity, some are just a crisis.

Not to mention that while essentially the entire group were Murderhobos, their leader (another PC) wasn't - 11 years and never lost a single dot in Humanity. He killed a lot of people, but mostly in self defence. Not particularly easy to do when you're hanging out with a squad that outside of him had an average Humanity score of 3 or 4 depending on the day. So while their methods were awful, their results were not.

They later started on a upwards arch towards moral redemption but we stopped playing before we could finish it.

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>>94577044
Anon is a Lick apologist.

Destroying filthy Massassa is always a moral act.

>>94575550
Does anyone actually use the "avatars are angel shards" lore? That shit always sounded like the writers kneecaping themselves for no reason.

>>94575231
Amen

>>94576815
>Making an NPC for a vamp game who has the goal of defeating entropy and literally living forever.
Just make them search for a vampire with the "Efficient Digestion" merit. That shit is busted but very innocuous.

>>94576917
The monke blessing still stands.

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>>94577255
Its not an angel shard its a psycho pump thing

Why do you think it's called Ascension?

It's because you gotta LIFT to get those gains.

>>94577255
The was a DtF and ToJ-ism mostly and it conflicts with Mage Lore(Mage ToJ not withstanding, it had one of the worst end times supplements went it came to consistancy with previous lore)

>>94577322
Kek

>>94577313
Apes together strong!

>>94577303
There are merits for eating meat and bones that allow a vampire to squeeze 25 vitae points out of a mortal Before ED kicks in.
Together, all three could allow a vampire to get 37 bp out of any ordinary mortal, something that's supposed to be against the laws of metaphysics according to mage(who say you should only be able to get 10-20 quintessence out of human that hasn't been specifically stuffed with more by a prime mage).

>>94574256
Mickey Mouse is NOT in the public domain.

Steamboat Willy is, along with that specific depiction of Mickey Mouse. However, Mickey Mouse the character is protected by trademark, rather than copyright, and If you wanted to use any of the later designs of Mickey Mouse, Disney's lawyers would break into your house, rape you, break all your cups and plates, and every jury in the world would be convinced it was entirely your fault.

>>94577401
Yeah shit is weird.

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>>94577427
We know, Anon. Just like Batman and Supes.

What I did is what is called an intellectual short-hand, also known as a conversational implicature.

What you are doing is called pedantic literalism, also known as Well Actually-ism.

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>>94577427
>>94577457

Now with that out of the way, we can tackle on the important questions:

What is Mickey Mouse's clan?.

My guess is Pic Related.

>>94577457
>What you are doing is called pedantic literalism,
No, it's called not misleading people. Saying Mickey Mouse is public domain is not intellectual short-hand, it's flat out being wrong, and it's the sort of mistake that will lead people to get raped by Disney Lawyers.

What you're doing now is something called "being a little bitch just because you were called out on saying something wrong".

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>>94577532
Cool.

I'll leave you to fight imaginary Disney lawyers in your head while the rest of us that understand context have our fun.

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>>94577551
>disney's lawyers are imaginary

New character concept, a necromancer that got into the whole necro stuff to see if he could raise his penis from the dead.

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>>94577574
Are those Disney lawyers in the room with us?

>>94577481
If I wanted to make him a supernatural creature I would make him an CofD Inferno demon or Horror.

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>>94577575
But how did his dick die?

>>94577575
That's an actual path already.

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>>94577585
>thinks Disney's lawyers would be able to resist basking in the collective misery that is 4chan
They could be reading your post right now.

>>94575515
I understood The Messengers as two extremely bitter angels that were frustrated by every effort to curb supernatural exploitation creating another new supernatural predator. The Imbued are their shot in the dark, imbue humans with supernatural power that is so alien to them that it starts destroying them, but guarantees they don't have an edge on mundane humanity for it. Let them be the vanguard for a mundane revolution that purges the world of the supernatural. Basically, a more moderate, triatic vision of The Technocracy.

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>>94577592
It died as it lived: by being unable to resist overcomplicating simple things to the point nobody wanted to engage with it anymore.

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>>94577626
Yeah.

How do you know the reason I'm saying they're not here is because I am one myself?

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What clan does a imaginary Disney lawyer belongs to? Malkavian?

>>94577676
Definitely Tremere

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>>94577728
Would that make them a rules lawyer?

>>94577401
>Before ED kicks in
I thought vampires were immune to that? Damn, viagra company
>laws of metaphysics according to mage
You act like they know what they're talking about.
Modern mages still haven't remembered spheres are a Wonder that early trads and freemasons worked together to burn into local reality as a way to make magic easier.

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>>94577844
You got some nice dubs, but I believe you might be overthinking this.

The extra vitae extraction doesn't necessarily break metaphysical laws if you view it as increasing engine efficiency, not violating thermodynamics or Quintessence limitations.

The merits for eating meat and bones suggest the vampire isn't creating energy ex nihilo but rather tapping into a broader spectrum of the mortal's energy pool that would otherwise remain inaccessible or wasted.

Mages's understanding of metaphysics, while impressive, is inherently limited by their paradigms. Just because they believe a mortal only holds 10~20 Quintessence doesn't mean that's the universal cap: it’s just what is commonly accepted between 'em that they can reliably quantify using their methods. Vampires, being creatures outside those paradigms, likely exploit a different layer of reality through their vitae mechanics.

Think of it like modern engineers getting more mileage out of a machine by optimizing its output. They're not rewriting physics, just applying a different toolkit. Similarly, vampires with these merits aren’t breaking rules, they’re playing with a literal different rulebook.

>>94577917
To put specific labels to it, it's clear about the broad spectrum of vampires in WoD that they feed off transgression. Whether it's bones, flesh, blood, or breath, they must rape. As long as the transgressive element is there, vitae will flow. Just as vampires are a magical cauldron that turn blood into vitae, the act of feasting may turn psychic phenomena into Quintessence, as long as it is focused through the curse.

>>94577917
That ecplination doesn't really hold water. Mages believe mortals hold 10-20 if you turn their entire pattern into quintessence(which IRL science terms would include destroying the space between the atom of their form so you could extract the dark energy).
There also can't be a hidden layer of reality below what a mage senses from Prime. Quintessence is the fundemental prima materia all other supernatural magic-juice is made of. That like saying you can get more energy out of a fire than are in the atoms of the material it's burning.
Vampires getting nearly twice the max quint of an augmented mortal breaks reality completely as far as mage is concerned.

>>94577585
Yes.

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>>94577968
>There also can't be a hidden layer of reality below what a mage senses from Prime.

There is one inherent to any TTRPG game. Mage is one of the only TTRPGs that has any sort of documentation that addresses this.

I'm not gonna spoil what it is because when you realise it yourself it's a lot of fun, I wouldn't dare to take this pleasure from you.

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>>94578002

>>94578002
Speaking of hallucinations, would you say that a Malkavian associating Mentor dots with their Schizophrenic fits a bad idea?

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>>94577956
I was about to agree with you but then I remembered I have a pair of canines, four pairs of premolars.

But the idea that blood represents transgression is very interesting, I'll give you that. Blood is supposed to be on the inside, if it got out, it's 'cuz something went wrong.

>>94578056
Who says your dentation isn't a sort of Mark of Cain(e)?

>>94578056
>>94578071
That said, it'd make for an interesting sort of Golconda to lean on this. Imagine a vampire that has reached such mastery that they feed off every component of the feeding. They eat the terror, the dread, the bliss, the blood, body, and soul. They become an abyss of soulstuff, but are so satiated by it that they can go a year without feeding. They become so much more terrifying, but can you argue with their bodycount or the lack of mess they leave behind? They utterly annihilate one bad person a year, and they get to be otherwise peaceful nocturnal members of the community.

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>>94578071
Oooh, very interesting.

But shouldn't it be the Mark of Abel?

With Caine being a Medicinal Marijuana Plantation Owner and Abel being the Original Cattle Baron and whatnot.

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>>94578102
>They eat the terror, the dread, the bliss, the blood, body, and soul

The implications of this are tremendous.

>>94578117
Ask the Garou which is the baddie, you'll certainly get a response
>>94578137
The first Western Kuei-Jin boddhisattva

>>94575568
>>94577255
The Lucifer connection to the Imbued is only because of Exalted, but that's no longer canon and was abandoned almost immediately.
In case anybody cares about my retarded headcanon that admittedly requires you to ignore some canon stuff the Messengers are Angels trying to stop Lucifer's plan to uplift humanity through a mundane revolution. Lucifer's last fuck you to Heaven was to use the "shards" of dead angels to give humanity Avatars.

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>>94578166
>Ask the Garou which is the baddie, you'll certainly get a response

I can't believe I will finally be able to tell this tale in a situation where it's mostly on-topic to the discussion:

Many, many years ago at a barbecue, my friend brought his vegetarian girlfriend and their dog. Young and naïve, I started an argument with her about the ethics of eating meat, if it was good or bad.

One of my very drunk relatives decided to settle it in a way no one could argue with.

He asked her, “What do you call your dog?” She said, “Good boy.” “Is he the goodest of boys?” “Yes”, she replied.

He put a piece of meat in front of the dog, who devoured it instantly. My relative triumphantly declared, “Case closed. The dog is the goodest of boys. The dog ate meat. End of discussion”.

Questionable methods, but undeniably effective.

>>94578206
While I like the messagers as angry angels, the 2000s of all times being the tipping point just sounds funny to me.

>>94578353
They thought the whole "everything is designed to be white and oblong" look was too far

Thinking of how the Spheres were a creation to standardize magic, are there any factions that rejected them as more limiting than their own paradigm?

>>94578166
>The first Western Kuei-Jin boddhisattva
Weren't there other methods of draining people? Psychic vampirism was a temporary thing but it worked decently.
There was a Thaumaturgy path that gave vampires ways to feed on more abstract energies iirc.

>>94574167
Personal totems are such shit as a concept. Counter to all of the themes of Werewolf.

>>94578369
Kopa-Lei.

>>94578375
There's a Necromancy path that lets you feed off of Wraiths IIRC

>>94578353
Remember a lot of WW staff were pulling a lot from Y2K hysteria.

>>94578573
Fair enough but it still sounds rather amusing when you take a step back.

>>94574101
>W:tA Deep Umbra
>Aliens

You're thinking of Mage's Deep Umbra. Werewolf doesn't do the whole "spirit world is outer space" thing. Outer space is physical but easy to step sideways through; this gets you to the Aetherial Realm.

>>94577481
Mickey's clearly a Pooka

Mechanically speaking, what's the fastest way for a Mage to acquire more Sphere dots?
Because unless your ST is super generous with Experience, it's gonna take a long ass time to level those. I know it's on purpose, but I'm curious how fast can a player gather dots independently of Experience.

>>94578758
WTA calls what mage classifies as the "High Umbra" the "Deep Umbra" in their terminology, maybe that's what anon means?(Also, Fuck you WW writers for doing that)

>>94578899
No one cares about the dreaming

>>94578938
Infernalism. Spheres are available for 10 soul-points a dot.
Your total soul points are 10×([PermWillpower] + [Arete]). If you roll well on Intelligence + Law, you get a discount.

>>94578945
Which is weird because it's clear they put a lot of effort into it.

>>94578989
It is a waste but most of their rules are better off being used elsewhere.

Someone was saying earlier that a Mummy's powers could be used as Numina. Which version of Mummy is that from?

>>94579015
MtR(Revised) for oldwod.

>>94578945
Which the entire premise of CtD.

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>>94578411

Sing to the tune of that one song everyone knows by Depeche Mode:

Your own
Personal
Totem

A spirit to guide your way
One you'll obey

Your own
Personal
Totem

A bond that you won't betray
One that will stay

Looking for more
On the Umbral floor
Fate unsure
You let out a roar

Call upon the spirit
So loud that it can hear it

The trials await
Through the moonlit gate
To decide your fate
Do not hesitate

There is no secret
You will know it when you see it

Howl out, with rage
Howl out, with rage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI

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>>94578945
How do we fix this, because fairies are actually pretty cool
It's that dumb facet of changelings being basically advanced LARPers that does it I bet

>>94578758
The Garou can barely read much less interpret complicated concepts like the deep umbra being outside the Earth. It is all just rocket science.to them.

How unreasonable are the Garou?
Like, let's say they find one of their packmates dead near a mage chantry.
How likely are they to track down the mages, blaming them for the dead of their friend and start biting and clawing before asking questions?

>>94579233
Depends on the Tradition. Dreamspeakers or Verbena? They might skulk around, even ask questions if the mages play nice enough. Everyone else gets the knot. Garou are retarded. They don't even have a sense of recent history that goes back 20 years.

>>94579037
And that makes it any better?
>>94579068
You are better off trying to use one of the 30 different ways they stated them. Such as the Lost, Spirits/Possessed, Bygones, Horrors and even Beast if you are an asshole.

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>>94579233
They know there's a chantry nearby because they saw the street sign that said "HERMETIC HIDEOUT - 20KM"

>>94579233
>How unreasonable are the Garou?
Very. Don't think in terms of "why would they make the situation worse?" And think "How could they make a bigger shit show?" Unless they are from the urban or Tibetan tribes.

>>94579268
>even Beast if you are an asshole.
I keep imagining how good Beast would be if it leaned into the beasts being a bunch of delusional psycho rapists intentionally instead of the book itself buying into the delusions.

>>94579276
They kill an orphanage instead because they thought it was 20 miles, causing the Vatican to send their kill squads to protect their suppliers.

>>94579068
The Kithain are underpowered compared to the more popular splats, and, their lifespan is rather short too. They have so many ways to stop existing.
>Ender Bedlam
>Get Undone
>Death by Cold Iron
>Normal human age
>Normal human injury
>Chimerical injury

And even at their most powerful, all Banal things resist their magic. They have an incentive to stay within their own little shrinking world, which of course pushes them towards staying more in the dreaming and away from banal places, the very ones Kithain should be working to make less banal. In effect, the punishment for trying to face banal creatures is non-existence. The punishment for running is non-existence. The attachment to age as a mechanic is misguided, for all sorts of reasons, too.

I think that the whole Undoing/Bedlam thing is just too punishing. Try to fix your world and your fae soul is snuffed out. Try to escape and your human half is snuffed out. Imagine if you were punished as a vampire for having a full blood pool every single day (like with V5, where you have to kill to become fully satiated), or if as a werewolf you were punished for having 10 Permanent Gnosis. It's silly. If they did make a remake of CtD I'd want changelings to be less punishing to experiment with and where calling on the wyrd was easier.

>>94579318
Does the Vatican really have Kill Squads in WoD?
Because I'm interested in learning about those.

>>94579296
You don't need to imagine, you just have to style that your table.

>>94579328
Society of Leopold and their associates/proxies. Go read about them in Hunters Hunted and V5 Second Inquisition.

>>94579233
Maybe, maybe an experienced Philodox might try to examine the corpse and determine the cause of death magically.
However, the average pack's going to organise an attack party within the week. They don't even need to go after you personally, if any of them know how mages work, they'd choose to send in the werewolf mafia in a stupid attempt to cause more paradox (kinfolk do not count as sleepers, as per M20, bye bye all of those Wise Guy kin...)

>>94579326
I agree.
If I were to ever run a Changeling game, I'd have things like Bedlam and Undoing be more of a narrative danger than a mechanical one. Kind of like fetching Paradox Spirits or butterfly effects on mages.
What I do like is the idea of a Changeling having to eventually choose where they truly belong and either pass on to become full fae leaving a big part of their humanity behind or stay in their human lives and slowly lose most of their connection to the fae. It is juicy drama for the end of a chronicle.
And I think that's where Changeling might be at its best: personal drama about one's own nature. That said I want to turn buildings into rockets so I'm all for buffing cantrips to be somewhat on par with Sphere magick.

>>94579326
Maybe it's just me misremembering stuff but cold iron has always been bullshit levels of narrow because the way it is often described is like your character is supposed to find a piece of meteoric iron and stone the gay faeries to death with it.

>>94579233
Leave it to the Garou to bitch about ecoshit and then leave their trash behind lol

>>94579366
What was the appeal of going full Peter Pan again? From the outside it just looks like a very elaborate form of suicide.

>>94579326
Yeah, it was actually hilarious reading the point where the writers realized they made the glitter-core other-kin splat the most punishing to play south of Wraith.
They actually went back and Justified it by making modern changeling a post-apocalyptic setting a la fallout, where modern changelings are the result of medieval fey abusing the magical equivalent of nuclear technology.

>>94579397
It kind of is suicide, but you get to choose your afterlife. When 99% of your other options are various flavors of eternal damnation, it's actually pretty tempting.

>>94579424
>medieval fey abusing the magical equivalent of nuclear technology
...what?

>>94579453
idk, dreaming looks like you are playing a possessed person who's main way of exorcism is filing out your taxes.

>>94579463
It's a whole thing about how they used to rule the world until people's stories begun to reshape them and how they tried to manipulate that only for it to backfire to the point it was easier to fuck off to the moon.

>>94579476
>possessed person
Only if you get soul-raped by an arcadian.
Most changelinges are fey that took the place of a child's soul before they were born and are laying low, among the humans with their memories locked away, to protect themselves from banality.

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>>94579326
>>94579424
The most common complaint I hear from people trying to get into Changeling is that they don’t have a clear frame of reference for what a Changeling story is supposed to be. Interestingly, I hear a similar complaint about Mage, though with Mage, their biggest gripe is usually "I don’t understand anything about the game" lol.

At least with Mage, I can tell them to watch The Matrix. They’ll still complain that it’s not a 1:1 representation, but it nails the themes and provides a story structure that’s easy to adapt to the game. Changeling, though, doesn’t seem to have that go-to, archetypal movie. There’s no single film that perfectly captures its essence and serves as a quick “watch this, and you’ll get it” solution.

I’ve tried recommending movies like Pan’s Labyrinth or The Dark Crystal, but, so far, nobody I’ve suggested them to has actually watched them and come away ready to dive into the game.

My take on this problem is that The Matrix works where Pan's Labyrinth doesn't because The Matrix is action packed and leaves people wanting for more, while Pan's' has a much slower pace and is a self-contained story. Limbic resonance and story structure, essentially.

>>94579463
Dark Ages: Darkening Skies.
Old Fey were basically aliens with power equal to fully awakened humans and who didn't suffer from paradox.
Their big drawback was this thing called "echoes", basically a mix of True Faith + Consensus that allowed humans collectively to make up rules fey were forced to follow and weaknesses that hurt them like silver to a werewolf.
Fey were basically pagan gods though, they could fuck shit up. They got arrogant about this and fucked around(literally), having kids with humans(changelings) that were less powerful than they were.
Turns out humans could use echoes to Lobotomize changelings while they were young and weak, which also prevented them fucking everyone's lives up. The True Fey saw this and thought "How can I weaponize these lobomites to kill my enemies(who were also Fey)" and figured out they could be stuffed with echoes until they basically became Magical Nukes.
The Fey ended up having their version of WW1(the solstice war) and used these nukes without any long term considerations or pattern recognition when the areas these nukes were used filled with anti-fey Poison.
When the old fey realized it was getting hard to breath, they ran to arcadia with their favorite changelings and left the rest on earth to Die.

TL;DR: Banality isn't actually a thing humans did. The old Fey invented it, used it as a weapon, and then got the fuck out of dodge when it backfired. Changelings are actually the Old-Fey's loser half-breed kids(even the ones from arcadia) who're even Bigger losers now that the earth is full of nuclear poison from fairy nukes.

>>94579511
Wraith was the same until I found a music video that encompasses the style and themes perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3hTwgDy_Ww

>>94579575
Never enjoyed this writing in Darkening Skies. It kinda diminished Changeling for me. Sounded stupid, even for WoD.
This would fit way better in Lost.

>>94579735
I give the writers some slack. They had to come in to weld together two completely incompatible lines because the previous generation of writers didn't give a shit about how A got to B and went crazy.

>>94579735
>This would fit way better in Lost.
What?

>>94579397
What's the Peter Pan thing?
Bedlam?

C'mon anons we gotta hit bump limit so we can have a Friday the 13th Edition.

>>94579015
It's in sorcerer Revised under the children of osiris section. Sorcerers can convert mummy hekau into sorcerer paths at 1 dot higher(meaning dot 1 is useless and path dot 6 is required to use level 5 hekau spells).
Mummy players guide also allows Sorcerers with the Mana background to convert it to a Balance rating, essentially giving them True Faith(which also establishes faith potentia(DtF), mana, and True Faith are all the same hidden stat that every mortal has, but doesn't know how to use).

What is it about vampires that not knowing your sire makes it so that your clan curse never develops? And why doesn't it work that way for Gangrels, who all get abandoned?

>>94580443
Why is the classic Tremere Clan Bane that they start almost Blood Bonded to their clan? Wouldn't that mean that all Tremere are Caitiff?

This was changed in V20 but its something to think about.

>>94580443
You've got it backwards. there are 3 types of caitiff
>Abandoned Caitiff
Can still have their clan traits and be low gen, they just don't know their sire and are ignorant of vampire society.
>Unblooded Caitiff
vampires that don't "take" to their clan and learn disciplines equally, aren't necessarily thin-blooded.
Often abandoned by their potential sire when said sire notices the clanlessness(to avoid possible persecution)
>Thin-bloods
Not always abandoned, but are always clanless(or were, until the blood suddenly strengthened, causing thin-blood gens to start developing clan curses and siring childer)

And all of these are given the same label because Vampires(and the writers) are assholes.

>>94580470
>Wouldn't that mean that all Tremere are Caitiff?
Yes

>>94580491
>>94580443

The way I handled Caitiff in my chronicles has always been very simple: If nobody plays a Caitiff, I ain't gotta explain shit. If someone does, the answer is usually something vague like "it might have something to do with the amount of blood your sire gave you" or "its because it wasn't your character's destiny to be of Clan PeePeePooPoo" etc. Cop-outs but this stuff hardly ever becomes relevant in-game.

>>94580440
Also, for what it's worth, DtF Faith as a roleplaying element is described very similarly to Meemaw Balance. They're both about lovingkindness and trust in the harmony of the universe.

>>94580491
Can the Tremere even be considered Cainites?

>>94580545
>I ain't gotta explain shit
That should be the default stance of any deep lore when it comes to WoD.
Nobody knows what the fucks going on, and the few people who have some idea are also smart enough to Lie when you ask them about it.

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A day or two ago, an Anon mentioned here they were trying to play RPGs with ChatGPT, and it got me thinking.

AI tools are here to stay and will only get more specialized over time. What do you Anons think about the future of AI-assisted roleplaying?

These tools aren't just for automating dice rolls, they have so much potential. Imagine integrating a Medical AI module and a Ballistic AI module into an RPG system. You could create a game where firefights include realistic ballistic calculations and trauma effects.

>>94580688
You couldn't, because the AI is just a sloppy search engine giving you first page results from an internal database. To make an RPG assistant AI that's any different from playing by yourself and googling ballistics to make your own autism chart it'd actually just be a regular preprogrammed videogame with an 'AI' shitposting incoherent fluff.

>>94580758
Huh that's kind of the point of a tool, Anon. To facilitate tasks and allow humans to perform 'em with less effort.

>>94580688
>You could create a game where firefights include realistic ballistic calculations and trauma effects.
Maybe some people would be into that, but I would wager most would not. People don't play games because they're realistic, they play because it's fun. Same reason things like sword fights in fiction are cool action scenes and not two people hiding behind a shield trying to whack each other.

>>94580797
I agree.

I probably shouldn't have used the word realism because realism is quite a loaded term.

Maybe "complex beyond the point even an autist would be able to comprehend all its mechanics" might be more appropriate since it's an RPG.

>>94580782
Yes, and such a tool doesn't exist.
>To facilitate tasks and allow humans to perform 'em with less effort.
Yes, it requires the same or more effort than current systems, retard. Please learn to read.

>>94580946
Sorry I never learned to read, I was busy banging your mom while you were in school.

Don't go away mad, Anon.

>>94580953
Did you need an AI to write that weaksauce reply for you then?

>>94580983
No, your mom wrote it for me with one hand and gave me a handjob with the other.

What the fuck, Anon.

>>94580946
>>94580983

Its alright, it's okay
You can look the other way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLpnTTb9V8o

Can Garou fuck other Fera?

>>94581364
They fucked 'em up pretty bad during the War of Rage.

>>94581364
Go play Ironclaw, furfag.
But serious answer: they technically can, much like they can fuck humans, wolves and dogs.
The real question is why would they? Garou are the apex racists of WoD, to the point of having a few genocides under their belt. This isn't the case of the white supremacist marrying a Filipino girl. If anything, the Garou would generally revile fucking other Fera in the same way normal people revile fucking animals.
A Garou fucking a Bastet would be seen by his peers not only as a massive degenerate, but as one worth killing most of the time.

If the Camarilla are the mafia and Anarchs are street gangs, what are the Sabbat supposed to be? I was thinking Cartels but they don't operate significantly differently than US street gangs.

>>94582649
They're all mafia, some are just better at it.

>>94581364
Yes, they can, but nothing special will come from it. Probably just a normal human with no Fera gene or simply nothing will come out of it.
I know my ST houserule that two different Fera mating results in a Metis from mother's side. So a male Garou and female Bastet mating results in a Metis Bastet, for instance.
I guess the exception would be Gurahl since they don't have Metis: The final result is either nothing or sponteneous abortion.

>>94582649
>If the Camarilla are the mafia and Anarchs are street gangs, what are the Sabbat supposed to be? I was thinking Cartels but they don't operate significantly differently than US street gangs.
The religious angle makes me think of some Brazilian organized crime, like TCP, which enforces evangelical christianity and persecutes catholics and afro-brazilian devotees in their territory

>>94580758
>AI is just a sloppy search engine giving you first page results from an internal database
That is Very incorrect. You're thinking of 90's "AI".
Modern AI that use Neural-net don't use a database, they use virtual neural connections that filter the types of responses the AI will generate, exactly how a Brain does it.

>>94582975
>exactly how a Brain does it.
Well, not exactly because AI doesn't know what the fuck it is saying. It just answers with something that *looks* like a good answer to the question, without understanding what it means.

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>>94581364
Kitsune coochie got me acting unwise,

>>94583019
That's their plan all along, anon.
They were built for that purpose.

>>94580688
>You could create a game where firefights include realistic ballistic calculations and trauma effects.
You can just play GURPS using a calculator, anon. It's not that difficult.

>>94583012
Just like most anons.

>>94583012
You just described half the human population anon.

>>94583019
I'm still mad they went full anime with the "Kitsune". It conflicts with established WTA lore and pisses all over IRL mythology. Fox shifters have been a thing across the fucking World for millennia, they were not invented by asia.
The name "Kitsune" itself is also retarded. The names of other fera are names in the first tongue, they're built to mimic the sounds their animal-form make, but for some reason the fox-shifters decided to use a word from a Human language Younger than their Race.

>>94582649
Don't over-extend the analogy. It's just a useful shorthand allowing an entry point for imagination to do its job.
The Camarilla is the Camarilla. Let the fictional constructs grow into their own thing.
That said, I don't think there's much of a decent equivalent to the Sabbat in real life. The sect is too messy and multi-faceted, to the point it barely can contain itself within fiction.

>>94576872
That's why I tend to prefer story seeds to plots for open-ended campaigns. Have an idea of the themes and direction you want to go to, let the the players seize and grow what they find interesting.
Obviously, only really works well with pro-active players, that's the caveat.

>>94583117
You're one extreme optimist anon.
That said, not all absences of knowledge are qualitatively equivalent.

>>94583144
It's not as if Reynard the fox outwiting Ysengrin the wolf was a classical of medieval european literature.

>>94583172
>It's not as if Reynard the fox outwiting Ysengrin the wolf was a classical of medieval european literature
Imagine forgetting Aesops fables existed.

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>>94582846
>TCP
The thing about TCP is that it guarantees delivery, but you just know the IP is doing all the work while TCP launders the credit through some charismatic church network.

Ba dum tsh!

>Evangelical christianity
Fucking heretics.

>>94582975
Anon was mad and went to sleep mad but it wasn't over the AI or his Mom. You had to be there at the time.

>>94583083
>Gurps
>Realistic

Bro, in GURPS, damage is tied to your weapon, not the specific type of ammunition you use. It does account for some modifiers, like Hollow Point or Armor-Piercing rounds, but it doesn’t consider details like bullet grain or powder load.

This logic works fine for weapons like bows or crossbows, where the projectile's damage is directly tied to the weapon's draw strength. But for firearms, the cartridge plays a much bigger role in determining damage.

Tying the damage of a firearm to the weapon instead of the bullet is like saying the spiciness of your food depends on the spoon you use to eat it.

>>94583144
>Dubs

>I'm still mad they went full anime with the "Kitsune".
I'm not! Being able to set-up a WoD game about Anime People helped me pick up a very pretty otome when I was a teenager. Thank You Based Ethan Skemp for that book.

I'm not sure, however, if the Hengeyokai book sold well when it came out in 1998. Anime wasn't such a big deal in the USA back then as far as I remember.

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How'd you stat the AK-50 for the World of Darkness? Just copy everything from a Barret M82? Is the Barret even a thing in the World of Darkness?

>>94583193
I don't know, we have a big parenthesis between Aesop himself and the Ysopets magnifying his cultural significance in their time (to the point that some called it a resurection), between which we don't really know of the actual /popular/ cultural impact. At least in France - the only place for which I have a modicum of expertise on the subject - folklore studies paint Aesop as something of an outlier on that front. Whereas Reynard was so popular his name became the de facto name for the animal from that time (hardly anyone knows what a "goupil" is anymore, let alone that it's the actual original name of the animal in French, "Renard" being just the name of the character).

>>94583199
>set-up a WoD game about Anime People
You could have still done that if the kitsune were a small part of the fox-shifter species like the hakken to the garou or khan to the bastet.
Making the kitsune consist purely of anime tropes was a retarded move.

>>94583144
You can always play the fox-shifter from nWoD Changing Breeds, anon. :^)

>>94583341
Everyone had a Katana in the World of Darkness back then, technically making them all Anime People.

Then the Faggotry Wave hit it and now it's Cyproterone and Trenchcoats.

This franchise has become everything people used to joke to make fun of it back when it still had relevancy almost 30 years ago, it's a complete utter disgrace and everyone involved with it in the last 20 years or so needs to be put in an oven.

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>>94583368
>>94583487
Here's a picture of Outstar just casually hanging out Donald Trump in a Christmas party, while we're on the subject.

>>94583253
There are stats for .50 cal rifles so you can just staple their damage number on a assault rifle statblock and be basically done with it.
>>94579941
Whatever the opposite of killing your fae parts was called.
>>94579735
>This would fit way better in Lost.
That's reatrded, they literally don't have banality to begin with.

>>94583368
>This franchise has become everything people used to joke to make fun of it back when it still had relevancy almost 30 years ago,
No Shit, Sherlock. Punk and Hope have died years ago.

>>94583083
If you want realism go for Twilight 2000 or Friday Night Firefight. GURPS is just jank without a niche.

>>94581364
>Can Garou fuck other Fera?
They can but no one has figured out how to breed a werechimera yet.

>>94581364
fera actually might have a common ancestor and used to be able to sync with other animals: werehyenna have the same ancestor as werewolves despite hyennas not being canines

so probably?

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>>94583612
>Punk and Hope have died years ago.

George Constanza, the Business Strategy Guru.

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Okay so I was thinking of making a few of my primogen noddists
Most obvious is a nossie who's a noddist scholar/doomsday pepper who occasionally pops into meetings when his childer bitch at him to represent them when he isn't uncovering unknown secrets and talking to the Kiyasid scholars he knows of along with the occasional Toreador, Venture and Brujah intellectuals
Second is
>former Gangrel Primogen
>after the former Prince was diablerized by the new Ravnos prince he gtfo'd having no loyalty to the new ruler using the gangrel secession as an excuse to bow out
>lives innawoods still passing on the oral traditions of the clan and their history
The rest of my primogen are
>Malkavian soothsayer who everyone listens to with rapt attention even if a third of her fortunes end up bogus the other two thirds are the shit
>tends to be more lucid when she's bullshitting
>Toreador primogen who is a socialite and has some sway with the city council who she's turned a few into ghouls and the mayor who she fucks (he's a useful idiot)
>she also has the thirst of Caine and loves slurping up stray vampires nobody will miss
>she's from the spainish conquistadors/explorers and missionaries that settled the area so she's been around a while
>Ventrue who's super into the noblesse oblige as he was born to a house of knights but thanks to the fuckery of cannons and gunpowder never actually got to be one himself
>longs to return to the long forgotten days of chivalry and ride around in his grandfather's armor riding around on his finest warhorse
>spends most of his time horse breeding and brooding in his mansion but is otherwise an a pretty decent guy
>Brujah who larps as a Greek but is actually colonial British
>all the Brujah think he's a dipshit who's completely out of touch and the anarchs tend to single him out the most as the the dumbfuck
>wishes he was a great philosopher but can't think of anything profound to say

>>94583798
>Ravnos Primogen
>Chandra the current prince thought it would be funny to give the former seat of the gangrel to a fellow of his clan
>the rest of the primogen didn't find this funny
>at all
>almost everyone in the primogen frequently snubs, steps on the toes of and out right talks over the Ravnos seat viewing him as a direct insult to them
>Tremere primogen
>extremely friendly and sociable
>willing to impart occult knowledge
>severely addled by his blood bond because the pyramid thought he was getting too independent and gave him an extra dose
>doesn't know his whip will sell out his chantry to the Sabbat and is both tempted by Dark Thaumaturgy and Sabbat sorcery along with working on blood brothers for his new found allies
>is also blood bonded to the Toreador primogen and covers her diablerie with magic rituals
Any thoughts?

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>>94583798
>>94583907

Pretty dope lineup. Lotta potential for court drama here. Few quick thoughts:

Nos Noddist Doomsday Bro: Solid pick. Add quirks from his prepper lifestyle, like wild contingency plans that mess with court politics. Could have a paranoia arc where he thinks everyone’s out to get him (because they probably are).

Gangrel GTFO Guy: Love the innawoods vibes. Maybe he’s still secretly in touch with city politics through Anarchs or stray Gangrel. Could make him a wildcard if the Ravnos Prince pulls dumb moves.

Malk Soothsayer: The “more lucid when she’s BSing” angle is chef’s kiss. If she starts trolling by mixing truths and lies on purpose, she could stir the pot even more.

Toreador Conquistador Snack Queen: A Toreador who snacks on strays and keeps the mayor as her pet? Peak Toreador energy. Lean into her colonizer vibes—does she treat the city as her personal empire? Could spark tension with the Ventrue or Gangrel.

Ventrue Knight LARPer: Chivalry vibes in a world where honor’s dead is great contrast. Maybe he’s horrified by the Toreador’s diablerie but too polite to say anything, or secretly wishes he had her level of Fuck Around And Find Out.

Brujah Greek LARP Philosopher: Hilariously out of touch, but maybe he has one redeeming skill. Could be funny if he’s weirdly good at defusing fights while everyone roasts him for being cringe.

Ravnos “Haha Just Kidding” Primogen: Everyone clowns on him, but maybe he’s smarter than he lets on. Could be fun if he’s quietly pulling strings while the rest underestimate him.

Tremere Blood Puppet: Holy shit, walking disaster. Maybe show him trying to fight the blood bond while spiraling deeper into Sabbat shit. Dude’s a nuke waiting to go off.

Overall, this is a dank setup for a high-drama court. Flesh out the Ravnos and Gangrel a bit more, and you’re golden.

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>>94583633
FNF is fun but very clearly made with using minis in mind.

I think the fact we'll never see a Tactical Cyberpunk 2022 game where you actually play the game using the FNF rules is a wee bit sad.

If there was ever a case for digital instrumentalisation of TTRPG mechanics, its probably Cyberpunk.

>>94584114
>FNF is fun but very clearly made with using minis in mind
Yeah, it's a simulationist game and that helps a lot.

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>>94584137
Almost 10 years after The Acquisition, I'm still wondering where’s our tactical squad-based Werewolf game.

Empire of Sin and Lamplighters League came out, flopped financially, and I can’t help but think What If one of them had been an Apocalypse game instead. Both had that same time period vibe, and it might’ve been a smarter move to hedge the thematic bet. Makes you wonder what it says about how our beloved franchise is viewed these days.

>>94584183
Werewolf X-Com would be great but whomever holds the money to do that doesn't feel like it would be the best return on investment.

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>>94584035
>>94584035
As one of my pcs is a gangrel along with her sire being an important character don't worry Papa Gangrel going to be lavished with attention. Definitely would make him anarch aligned if disgusted by politics currently and is more hanging off to the side when everything fallsapart. Maybe having the Ravnos ghoul a few people like mayoral aides and a few key officials would be a fun power play and having the Toreador Primogen shocked that somebody could sneak around her like that.
Brujah boy is kinda like that bit of a yap master but frequently his speeches tend to be a lot of fillibusting and flowery language so it requires a perception and expression check to realize he's driveling nonsense.
Rn the set up is the PCs are being tossed into a fucked up SAW dungeon beneath a mansion converted into a hospital by a mad doctor attempting to study how people turned into the Beast. Doctor Carver is using vitae samples from other vampires to turn humans into vampires then into wights to understand the process of humanity degradation. The Gangrel is freed from her cell thanks to her sire being unable to take the guilt of turning yet another person into a wight. She has to save the other from the trap and hunt down Doctor Carver
Issues with that include ghouled hospital staff and the fact Doctor Carver's blood drives have been feeding anarchs and catilff with minimal no risk food sources along with Schere's Disease Foundations he had set up to act as both a funnel for funds and to create support groups for kindred.
This isn't even mentioning he was working with the Sabbat because his experiments were considered unethical even by the Camarila. He's meant to pop up now and then and do his Jigsaw shtick "defy the Beast or remain a slave" before running off with them just out of reach as his sabbat buddies hop in.
Part of his shtick is he's kinda ideologically at odds with the Sabbat but like they both find the other useful enough to ignore the shortcomings.

>>94583907
[spoilers]IIRC once you have a stage 3 Blood Bond you lose all others and can't develop them, so by the rules Tremere would have, at most, Stage 2 with both Pyramid and Toreador. But Toreador could just have him under Entrancement + Stage 2 blood bond, and for whatever reason he's not forking over the Willpower to begone-thot her.[/spoiler]

>>94582649
Anarchs are the Mafia, Camarilla are the Aristocracy, the Sabbat are Theocratic Fascists. I'm using the term correctly here, not just "thing I don't like". The Anarch Free State is some kind of quasi-republic like the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The Inconnu and Tal'Mahe'Ra are just cults.

>>94583144
I guess a potential excuse is that they're integrated into the Beast Courts, which are entirely human-acculturated, so they go by a Japanese name. It's definitely stupid that they're only in Asia, it feels like they either had the idea of a kitsune first and made it a Fera, or they had the idea of fox-shifters kinda being an improvement on wolf-shifters for the modern world, and then locked the uniqueness behind the of-the-East paywall.

>>94583612
We are heading for the biggest revival in punk ethos in over thirty years.

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>>94584501
I know.
I'm not offering solutions or asking questions.
I'm just lamenting on the internet.

>>94584502
>Nostalgia Critic

Loving the Doctor Carver meets SAW vibes. You’ve got some juicy layers of conflict here. A few thoughts:

Papa Gangrel: Anarch alignment fits perfectly, especially with the "disgusted by politics but still involved" angle. Maybe sprinkle in some subtle ways he still keeps tabs on the city (like a stray Nos contact or a soft spot for one or two Kindred stuck in the system). That way, when everything goes to hell, he’s still got some skin in the game.

Ravnos Power Play: The Toreador getting blindsided by the Ravnos is chef’s kiss. It flips the power dynamic and shows that even Toreador social queens can get played. Maybe she has a counter move planned once she realizes what's going on? Keeps the tension brewing.

Brujah Boy: Hmmm there’s room for redemption here. Maybe he’s got a hidden strength, like he’s secretly great at rallying people when it counts, or he’s got a knack for out-of-the-box tactics that somehow work. Give him a Cicero moment where his rambling speeches actually inspire someone to do the right thing. Even if he’s mostly cringe, one genuine W can make him memorable.

Doctor Carver: This dude is a walking nightmare, and I’m here for it. The ideological tension with the Sabbat is gold. Maybe play up how both sides find the relationship gross but "pragmatic." Like, even Sabbat goons are whispering, "Yo, this guy’s too much."

The SAW dungeon setup is tight, but maybe add some moral dilemmas to the traps? Like, "save this ghoul who betrayed you or take the quick route to the next room." That way, it’s not just physical survival but also humanity-checks all around.

Overall, this sounds like a chaotic, high-stakes ride. Definitely looking forward to hearing more about how it plays out.

>>94584596
Read up >>94568792

>>94584633
Insha'Allah Brother. The Fire Rises. Your dubs tell the truth.

>>94584656
>I know.
>I'm not offering solutions or asking questions.
>I'm just lamenting on the internet.
Same.
>>94584633
Everybody is sad and frustrated but no one is angry enough to set fire to goverment buildings or assasinate their local governors.

>>94584623
>improvement on wolf-shifters
If that was the intention, they failed. Foxes don't even get natural regen

>>94584832
>Everybody is sad and frustrated but no one is angry enough to set fire to goverment buildings or assasinate their local governors.
i dunno gunning down a ceo during day with hate message on the casings seem peak punk

>>94584867
I don't think one incident is enough to call it punk revival, we might need a couple more. Any Brujah up to the task?

>>94584896
if they gun down the next ceo of the same company after he said he is not gonna change a damn thing, that would be so funny

>>94584896
I don't think most people are even able to recognize what Punk looks line anymore nowadays.

Luigi wasn't a guy with nose rings and a mohawk and a denim jacket. It's some dude that works in tech, had his whole life ahead of him and a bright future.

If you look up his manifesto and the stuff he used to say in social media, he seemed like a very reasonable guy that was mostly interested in understanding the different points of views of different people.

Reminds me a bit of someone i know.

>>94584920
Funny, but also quite suspicious.

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>>94584932
>I don't think most people are even able to recognize what Punk looks line anymore nowadays.
Who would have fucking thought culture would shift over 30 years?!

>>94584576
Unironically my answer to that is the Pyramid left him desperate for affection and approval so despite being a powerful and all mighty vampire wizard dude he's like dying for somebody to like throw him a bone because despite running a chantry he still feels like a neonate being scolded by his sire any time he gets word back from Vienna. The Toreador (toying with the names Lucia or Carmen) just pushed that button hard enough where he like felt special and wanted so he's kinda convinced himself that they're in love and she's just not repeatedly abusing him just like the Tremere Pyramid is.
He won't see what's wrong with getting the fuck out because he's been trained to debase himself his whole life.
Emotional instability moment.

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>>94585017
I KNOW, RIGHT?

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>>94584656
Okay so the sire of my Gangrel player, Kennedy. He's one of Papa Gangrel's grandchilder so even if he meets his final death at in the hospital he'll feel a twinge of regret that one of his wayward sons perished without meeting one final time and transfer that sorrow and lost affection over to the PC as a surrogate adoptive childer. If not then Kennedy will introduce her to Papa Gangrel and he'll try to warn her against getting involved in the shithole that is Cape Fortune as it burned him once before. It uh won't help her but suddenly having her out and about along with Kennedy in the house of cards about to collapse will keep Papa Gangrel up to the early hours ot dawn.
Also noted, I'll try to make sure the funny Brujah man actually like he's not just a one note joke. He should be like the vampire equivalent to Mr Satan then, like beyond the bluster and bumbling he genuinely could be a leader or a statesman if he just was born in the right century or he actually tried to speak for something he believed in strongly for once rather than just talking loudly to be heard.
Also don't worry that's totally the plan for Carver, throwing kine and kindred loved ones along with sworn enemies in harms way and forcing the PCs to try their best to tread the line between man and monster.
I still do wanna keep the whole constructive motivation with Carver. Like he wants them to learn to resist their beast and increase their humanity with these sorta being tests and trials of their own development.

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>>94585017
>>94585042
This reminds me of the situation in Lud, from The Dark Tower series, where there was a war between the Grays and the Pubes, named after their relative age when the war started.

Many years later, now the Grays are the age of the Pubes when the war started, and the Pubes are the age of the Grays.

They all ended up dead, nerve-gassed by Blaine the Mono, a crazed sentient train with an AI for a brain.

You can't make this shit up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ZVN2Z2uzo

Do titled Garou still operate in packs? Like once they settle down at a caern and are some officiate within the protectorate?

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>>94585049
A few thoughts:

Papa Gangrel: The surrogate childer angle is quite interesting. It adds a lot of emotional weight, especially if P. G. warns the PC about Cape Fortune and then watches them dive headfirst into it anyway. Maybe have him try some subtle moves to protect them, even while insisting he’s "staying out of it." That push-pull dynamic would be heart-wrenching.

Brujah Mr. Satan: Mr. Satan isn’t just a blowhard, he’s a hero in his own right. While not on par with Alien or Android power, he's quite strong for a Human and was the only member of his species to actually fight in the Cell Games, and that courage shines in pivotal moments.
His bravado after the Games might've been selfish, but nobody was interested in contradicting him and this shielded Gohan’s identity, which enabled him to live a peaceful life as a normal student.
He befriended Majin Buu which would've saved the Earth if some prick didn't killed his dog, and ultimately saved Earth with his speech for the Genki Dama, and proved that heart and charisma can triumph in a world of gods and monsters.
A Brujah inspired by him should balance bluster with real substance - talk big but step up when it counts. Courage matters!

Doctor Carver: The moral dilemmas are going to hit hard, especially if the PCs have to balance their own humanity against the lives of others. The idea of him forcing them to "tread the line between man and monster" feels very World of Darkness. Maybe even have Carver drop hints that he sees their potential and thinks they’re capable of resisting the Beast, which makes his tests feel both sinister and weirdly paternal.

Cape Fortune Chaos: Having Kennedy and the PC destabilize everything just by showing up is peak drama. Maybe tie that in with the Ravnos and Toreador power struggle? Like, them being in town creates ripple effects that even Carver didn’t anticipate.

This is shaping up to be a killer campaign (lelz). Looking forward to seeing how these dynamics play out!

>>94585197
I presume that they just stay with their packs until something goes south, regardless of titles.

>>94582975
No, it's 100% correct.
>Modern AI that use Neural-net
Lmao.
NNs are literally 90s AI, and these aren't those.
>don't use a database
Yes they do, you've just chosen not to call it that.
>exactly how a Brain does it.
Nobody knows how brains work, midwit.

I'm a consultant in this field lol.

>>94585645
>Nobody knows how brains work
>I'm a consultant in this field
Hopefully AI and not neurology lelz

New character concept:

An Italo-something Tremere with a history of abusing his herd that's so long it wouldn't fit in a roll of toilet paper. Betrayed his friends for promises of power but that power never came.

By all accounts he should've been destroyed for violating the Masquerade, being a triple-agent for the Sabbat, the Camarilla, and the Technocracy, but his incompetent sire keeps him around despite all of that because everyone thinks he can act as a containment of sorts against a Malkavian that everyone thinks is his Childer (but very obviously isn't).

His Malkavian "childe" is hot property and the Tremere want to use his "sire" to control him but it haven't been working out, and his "childe" is running out of patience and might just force the Camarilla to destroy his "sire" by presenting said toilet-paper list of fuckupperies from his "sire".

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Have you ever used IRL organizations? I was thinking of using the Falun Gong as a target/antagonist, but I'm not sure if that will go well. I need some advice on how to display IRL and contemporary nutcases in a way that makes sense.

>>94585645
>consultant
Opinion discarded.

>>94585882
>BiKKKini babe
Emma Frost if she joined the wrong paramilitary group of nutcases

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>>94585911
Yeah its a whole thing.

>>94573781
>First, it assumes working with demons is "always bad"
Hermetics have always been allowed to use demons you just aren't allowed to make deals with them as you are the big dick wizard and should just force that bitch to be your slave. you get everything the demon gets nothing just like God intended.

>every methuselah is some monster with a completly alien mindset
>but children will forever stay children mentally
>despite said methuselah clearly showing that kindred do change over time

>>94586000
>Trips of truth
Not all change is for the better.

>>94586000
It is inconsistent and kind of retarded. I get what they are trying to do because having good elders fuck with the setting's premise.

>clan: nosferatu
>patagia merit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKMkhCsgsas

>>94586051
The other option that immediately comes to mind is based on how they sometimes suggest Ur-Shulgi may be: you think you're a serious threat to him, but he's been acting totally on reflex until you face him and he finally notices you for the first time. Your first couple rounds are him just deciding to perceive you as a threat, then he attacks. He's a wight that sees timescales beyond anything you can conceive, at the cost of being utterly without momentum.

>>94585982
Based.
Infernal familiar is the best kind of familiar.

>>94586051
>good elders
Not really a problem. Degeneration is such a massive issue that 99% of vampire that survive to become elders with be monsters.
Vampires can easily change, for the worse. It takes a Lot of work to change for the better(raising humanity and virtues is expensive as Fuck and doesn't immediately contribute to survival)

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Is the fan game about giants any good?

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>>94583144
>Fox shifters have been a thing across the fucking World for millennia
Not since the War of Rage, dumb dumb

>>94586936
How did the giant lumberjack got an axe handle twice the size of all the other trees around him?

>>94587120
Its probably from a realm where there are giant trees.

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>>94587152
That bastard killed Treebeard didn't he

>>94587120
He got it from a big tree. And the big tree is missing from the picture because he fell it, duh.

>>94586383
High humanity might even be detrimental to survival, it might make it hard to keep your wits about you while seeing what other elders get up to.

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>>94587194

>>94587194
>High humanity might even be detrimental to survival, it might make it hard to keep your wits about you while seeing what other elders get up to.
or you could play Vampire the Masquerade2 where you hide from other vampires on top of mortals.

>>94587262
Also known as "joining the Inconnu".

>>94587290
they are not even an actual faction. they are just pockets of vampires tired of everyone's bullshit.

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>>94587315
>tired of everyone's bullshit.

Relatable.

>>94587315
And somehow WW keeps trying to push the anarchs as the faction of the people, despite the Inonnu being everything players want.

>>94587120
hoop snake bit a tree and it swelled up into that axe handle. just don't paint it, or else.

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Does anyone know where I can download this?

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What supernatural would a small town tyrant sheriff or judge be? Think the asshole from First Blood or maybe the judge from Nothing But Trouble.
I'm thinking probably a Demon, having the town as his adoring followers.
Or maybe a Vampire judge (either Ventrue or Toreador) and a ghoul sheriff.
I guess it could also be a Garou? One that took a liking to the town?

>>94587690
Let's walk backwards, What is his role in the game?

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>>94587677
Bro this game sounds awesome.
Also seems to be canon to WoD.

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>>94587717
Couldn't be made today.

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Outstar dropped a comeback video going over the last four years and all the World of Darkness stuff she’s been up to..

TL;DW:
>Recaps the last 4 years of WoD projects and behind-the-scenes stuff
>Helped set up the official Discord, made V5 cheat sheets, and ran World of Darkness News
>Organized Month of Darkness and the Unbound game jam
>Worked on marketing for Bloodlines 2 (and captured gameplay for the trailers)
>Lots of stories about the WoD community and her work, but nothing major

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA7Y4hGAuyA

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>>94587729
This one aged like fine wine.

>>94587715
Be a thorn on the side of two players searching for a McGuffin in Bumfuck Nowhere, USA.

>>94587739
I saw the comments
>people welcoming her "back" like she was a youtuber
>she had her channel for, at most, two months until she started officially working on WoD

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>>94587756
Imagine unveiling this at Gencon.

>>94587775
You are doing Macaulay dirty here.

She was making playthroughs of VTM stuff like eight years ago.

As a matter of fact, go check out what her first videos were about.

Martyna used to be a fellow Patrician fighting for Freedom.

>>94587793
Oh yeah, then why do I remember it differently?

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>>94587819
Paradox is in possession of the time travelling device good ol' White Wolf used to use to find out about the future and Martyna probably used it to create some four years of backlog content with thousands of views after her hiring.

>>94587838
They already stole deep space Nephandi, wouldn't be surprised if they went back in time to steal the idea of Time Lords from a Time archmage Etherite and give it to the BBC.

>>94587856
They didn't stole the time travelling device, it came in a box full of weird shit from Iceland when The Acquisition happened.

Martyna probably found it when she went through the CCP stuff looking for art to use on her Lo Fi videos.

>>94587856
>>94587874
Or, you know, she privated her old backlog of videos at some point to dodge people combing through everything she ever said because every single person in the World of Darkness has a giant target painted at their backs, especially if they're not born in the USA.

>>94587764
In that case, I sugest a Gangrel Ghoul or Garou Ronin with a mid totem.

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>>94587793
>Macaulay
>Freedom Fighter

fuck I forgot to put the gif lol

>>94587764
How much of an Antagonist do you want him to be?

>>94587717
>he dressed boys up as girls
kek

>>94587939
I will look into Garou Ronin, sounds interesting.
>>94588029
Well, this quest to find a McGuffin is quite important but not meant to last more than two or three sessions before getting back to the main plot.
So I guess minor but dangerous antagonist with no intention of ever give the players a truce. The kind of Sheriff most juries wouldn't convict you for shooting.

>>94588065
>I will look into Garou Ronin, sounds interesting.
Long story short, a Ronin is a werewolf who isn't part of the Nation or a Wyrm cult. They are the exiles and lost pups who were never found by others.

>>94588065
What splat are your characters? Sometimes the antagonist doesn't need to be physically threatening. If your PCs are Vampires, just having a guy on their backs is enough of a problem.

Are the Baali still kicking it in the modern nights? What are the best sourcebooks on infernalism and related topics?