Previous: >>94706466>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: If you could ban one card, what would it be?
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>>94715602Islands, and with it the rest of the color blue. Fuck blue players.
>>94715616t. wotc since 2019
Unironically Rhystic Study and Smothering TitheTheir only purpose is annoying everyone at the table, I'm tired of listing "Do you pay X?" followed by "hmmmmm... let me think about this..." every damn turnI can't think of a single example where their existance made the game more fun
>>94715602either thoracle or Jace, The Mind sculptor
>>94715602Unban balance. Ban Trouble in pairs.
>>94715636what kinda shortbus are you playing on? It's pretty damn easy to know when you can or cannot pay the 2
Just finished building creatureless Shu Yun (thanks to the thread for recommending him). Feeling a bit lost on the ramp package for now but I think I got it to a good enough spot. Tried to avoid the usual suspects of perpetual hexproof and unblockable to make things a bit more interesting, but given how they're substituted with ward 4 and flying/trample, I guess it's really up to interpretation whether it's meaningfully different or just snowflake behavior.https://archidekt.com/decks/10705229
>>94715631good, its deserved after giving mono blue access to every single fucking mechanic ever printed.
>>94715656It was a better game yea
>>94715654this isn't creatureless, your commander is a creature
>Alt TQWho is your 1500+ edhrec rank commander that doesn't suck ass?
>>94715672is elfball cheating?
>>94715671For that I would need a planeswalker commander (no, I would still count an MDFC) which I actively have no interest in playing.
>>94715636hmmmmm... let me think about this...
>>94715631>t. wotc since 2019>literally the year before Thoracle was printedYou're not too bright, huh?
>>94715672shadowheart + master chef background is number 1378 and it's pretty good, this combination draws cards and combos really well. This other deck i'm building is erinis + street urchin which is #994 and i think it will be fun too, be creative anon.
>>94715672>#1503I will never stop shilling this absolute unit
>>94715702Ahem.
>>94715723ACK
>>94715654>Doesn't want too much unblockable >Uses shadow spearThere are cheaper cards for just the trample and lifelink. Loxodon Warhammer for one, I'm sure there are othersAlso only 5 evasion cards and 4 protection? I don't know if you really need that much pump given your commander has Prowess and can give himself double strike.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94715939Only if you're a retarded drooling aggro tard.
What is a good voltron commander for someone who doesnt like that gamestyle all that much, but still absolutely needs to kick some teeth in? for redemption
>>94716089Thrun or Uril to show how annoying Voltron commanders that are sticky are.
>>94715717Thoracle was apparently printed because some dude on designed made it for his friends commander deck because apparently labman wasn't effective enough.
>>94715602Toxic Deluge.>board-wide effect>negligible cost in commander>black, the color with the most access to graveyard shenanigans, meaning it can be brought back on demand most of the time>bypasses hexproof and shroud because it's not targeted>bypasses regeneration and indestructible because it's not a destroy effect>bypasses blink effects because it lasts until end of turn (most blinks are either immediate or until the beginning of the end step, which comes before end of turn triggers)there are a few ways to play around it but it's a pain in the ass because it mainly affects colors which do not have easily available ways of counterplaying it, so if you're playing a creature-heavy deck in red or green you're pretty much fuckedalso child of alara because it's made every match last for 5 hours because it's an easy trigger for an abysmal effect
>how dare you play caesar, he doesn't match the magic aesthetic and he's from a plane-- I mean he's from a world-- I mean he's from a setting from an intellectual property separate from magic that has evil right wing gxns in it>anyways I can my rootin and tootin and hootin yeehaw ride em cowboy cartoon owlfolx from cowboys of bloomburrow junction and equip my horror movie chainsaw and vhs horror television to him
>>94716274It doesn't affect creatures that come into play after it happened anon, it isn't a permanent. Blinking til end of turn is fine.
>>94716284True, true. I forgot about the swath of red and green blink-until-end-of-turn effects. Can you remind me which ones I should be playing?
>>94716170What’s even the point of making up bullshit stories like that when they’ve told us exactly what happened?https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-preview/word-heist-theros-beyond-death-caper-2020-01-07It’s pretty stupid, but it wasn’t designed specifically with a deck in mind.
>>94716284you shitting me? I've tried to blink my creatures before and my friends (who have been playing for years, vs me who has been playing for months) told me the effect basically lingers until end of turn and so my creatures died when they came back from blinking
>>94716291Not the point I was making. I was correcting him on how it works with blink.>>94716300No, basically it works like this, but let's compare it to a permanent that is similar in a sense like Night of Souls Betrayal.>Cast Night of Souls Betrayal>as long as it's on the field the static ability is active>no matter when, whenever state based actions are checked anything reduced to 0 toughness will dieas opposed to>Cast Toxic Deluge>pay 10 life>All creatures get -10/-10 until end of turn>this only affects creatures that are on the field as it resolves not afterAside from Kardur Doomscourge who has a "goad" effect that applies to players more specifically than creatures, it's like saying Disrupt Decorum would goad a creature you cast after it's played. It don't be like that.
>>94716300My friend, that I've been playing with since Mirrodin cycle, tried telling me recently that my creature that regenerates doesn't actually do combat damage to his blockers since my guy is "removed from combat" when it regenerates. Simply put mtg has a lot of rules so you gotta make sure you know them or you're "friends" will take advantage
>>94716294so one of the most cancerous cards ever was created on, basically a whimwonderful
>>94716351>tried telling me recently that my creature that regenerates doesn't actually do combat damage to his blockers since my guy is "removed from combat" when it regenerates.If his creature has first strike, he's right. If it was just normal he's a retard. Combat damage goes out at the same time.
>>94716280>gxnsI didn't know that was guns at first and had an aneurysm thinking it was an abbreviation
>>94716442Same, I thought it was "gen x" or something
>>94716416He was wrong at the time but I didn't know better myself since it was so long since either of us had seen the mechanic. I did correct him about it at a later time and he admitted he was wrong too. Heck I have another friend I saw over this last holiday week who still thought multiple legendary creatures kill each other instead of only one
>>94715608No. It's not. Zalto seems really cool I had a zalto deck on Arena for a while and it was fun.
I'd probably quit the game if Smothering Tithe was banned>overall weak colour>get a strong card now and then >community always bitches about the strong card>actually ban or socially ban it>white remains a weak colourIf it weren't for faggy edh players white would be recognized as the best colour for all the tools it offers but they can't be played freely because of whiny little faggots like this nigger >>94715636
>>94715602>TQ: If you could ban one card, what would it be?Thoracle This guy singlehandedly won me the game last night by wiping out a chatterfang Squirrel army and hornet swarm that were about to kill everyone. I also got to use his ultimate for the first time. Dragons truly are the best tribe
>>94716274Black has a small handful of cards that can get instants/sorceries out of the graveyard retardkun
>>94716351Regernate removes creatures from combat yes... he's correct. It would depend on when the regeneration effect was used but simply put your "friend" was not taking advantage of you and you were very likely wrong
>>94716504You're retarded. Regenerate does not prevent his attacker (the one being regenerated) from dealing combat damage. His friend is either wrong or taking advantage of the bad wording on one of magic's most jank ass abilities to get in free positive turns.
>>94716504You have to be dealt damage to regenerate.Damage goes out at the same time.Removing it from combat is just a way to make it not go even with first strike/double strike.It does not stop the two creatures from damaging each other if they are in the damage damage step if one regenerates.
Ban treasure tokensBan food tokens
>>94716554Ban retards.
>>94716554So clues are fine? Awesome.
this card is OP when playing with women
>>94716483White is the strongest support color. While WotC pandered to the White Power movement for years they finally woke up and started to put double white pips back onto white power houses.2025 is her year. Prepare for the unbanning of the true queen of EDH.
>>94716529>>94716536If you regenerated it for some reason (say spot removal) before combat damage was dealt then it it untapped and removed from combat. Stop trying to look for malice everywhere when you seem to be the only ones full of it
>>94715616The more you complain, the bluer I become.
i literally refuse to use this card in my faerie deck because of the ugly fucking asian chud with his poor people glasses. What were they thinking when designing this card?
>>94716587>Before damage is dealt.No shit, it's clear the OP's friend was saying it when it regenerated due to combat damage.
>>94716592>We gotta put the winner of a worlds on a cardThat's what they were thinking.
>>94716603i never once read the flavor text, i had no idea. lmfao sorry Yuta but I'm still gonna proxy your card
>>94715636I just have a little sign with two options: pay the 1, and draw a card. I put a counter on draw a card and will do so for each spell unless they choose to move the counter. Works every time.
>>94716592>>94716603Blame the artist. It's not chuds fault Joshua Raphael isn't Ron Spears.
>>94716592this is literally the perfect card to get a proxy ofI know because I do, because despite the horrendous card it's simply too good not to include in a faerie deck
>>94716594No that isn't stated or made clear anywhere in it just that it was regenerared during the combat phase and using spot removal on an attacker is pretty common
>>94716587>>94716623Let me be a little more specific on the situation. I had some slivers including Crypt Sliver and my opponent friend had like 1/1 tokens or something. I wanted to attack with a sliver and get a little damage in but he wanted to block and trade, as in they both would die, but I could tap any of my other creatures to grant regenerate. He argues that as my guy dies it is "removed from combat" and therefore no combat damage was dealt and he keeps his chump blocker. This was wrong and we both looked it up later so we know not to do that again.
>>94716574is there any good colorless removal spells for us monocolor faggots
>>94716644Every colour has tons of removal now buddy
>>94715672Everyone laughs until they realize how hard it is to remove a 5/5 flying indestructible beater backed up by counter magic.Plus he has a built in wincon if I need to do a combo route.
>>94716623>>94716637Get fucked poor-reading-comprehenion-fag.
>>94716656How does blue kill a creature? It can't really other than bounce and hope to counter when they play it again.
>>94716644
>>94716644If you just want a big ol' fuck you
>>94716656I mean for if some shit has protection from a color
>>94715672>#2114I get>Isn't this just a weaker Elesh Nornall the time, but in reality he's a mono white Selenia, Dark Angel.
>>94716676>Pongify>Rabid Hybridization>Resculpt>Ravenform>All the auras that serve as quasi-removal like Eaten By Piranhas.You okay, anon?
>>94716676Pongify mass hybrid, reality shift, curse of swine, ravenform, ice cage/frozen solid, amphin, hour of need mirror match kinda, resculpt and suspend cause a 3 turn bounce may as well be removal >>94716660>anon provides additional context which clears things up>no one is upset except captain faggotJust because you assumed right does not mean you weren't assuming with the information given anon :)
>>94716693don't forget reality shift
>>94716715He said the creature was blocking you retard. That means combat was happening.Learn to read and infer information
Is there anywhere to play this thing these days? Used to be a fairly popular card, people loved the ghost niggas. But they're largely extinct today with how streamlined and efficient WB drain type decks have become, no room for a slow 5 drop.
>>94716725>declare blocks>okay in response I cast spot removalAgain there is no context provided to assume one way or the other. As I showed in the screenshot which is a snippet of the comprehensive rules, combat can still be happening and a creature regenerated and removed from it. I see all this talk of reading comprehension was an attempt to cover up your lack thereof
>>94716742>Again there is no context provided to assume one way or the other. As I showed in the screenshot which is a snippet of the comprehensive rules, combat can still be happening and a creature regenerated and removed from it. I see all this talk of reading comprehension was an attempt to cover up your lack thereof
>>94716676Blue can deal with creatures just fine. Enchantments and artifacts require esoteric solutions.
>>94716613I bet they started putting the names on there since players didn't know why cards like snapcaster or solemn simulacrum look that way
>>94716740anon... I don't know how to say this but... that card sucks hard5 drop for a commander is already pushing it, and it doesn't even drain each player, it's only a single target playeryou can still play it of course, but your deck will be carried by the 99
I recently finished building this Lara Croft deck and I'm looking through some cards on gatherer to find any last minute changes and I just found the "Passionate Archeologist" background card and I am sad that she doesn't have the "choose a background" ability. I don't mind when cards reach over to other sets to steal mechanics if it's super flavorful like that. Any cool cards for the archetype I missed?https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6784257#paperSo then I started looking through the cards that do have that mechanic because I like the flavor of it, but there are only a few good ones. I liked Imoen back in the videogames, and I've always kind of wanted to make a deck that uses the dungeon delving mechanic even though it sucks, so I think I'll build around her.So then, looking through the backgrounds lead me to looking at other weird commander mechanics, which lead me to "Partner". I threw together this deck after looking through cards with that, what do you think?https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6837026#paperAlso, the fact that "Partner", "Partners with", "Doctor's Partner", and "Background" are all different and don't interact with each other is unfortunate. I wonder if some day there will be a card that is like a 2/2 for 2 that just has Partner, partners with, and choose a background, as its text box and that's it. They made the chromatic piper card which kind of fits that idea, just a flexible commander that doesn't do much on its own but opens deckbuilding space.
>>94716878What's your objective with that bant deck? Seems like you just slapped together whatever cards you happen to own.
>>94716574I could see them putting her in bracket 4 with the other >banned cause warcrime in casual command cardsBut I guess we'll see, still waiting for news on that.
>>94716742There was context. The words "blocking creature" was the context. That was the information provided. You're just adding bullshit since you lacked the fundamental reading comprehension and got caught.
>>94716294I remember it from a blogpost that used to be posted here a lot around the time in mmg
>>94716453What kind of turbo retard makes a Warform and waits until the end of turn to use it? Just use better tutors and use Mishra to copy strong Enters and Sacrifice effects.
>>94716689Warping wail, Scour from existance, introduction to annihilation, Boom box is a decent one because it's a recurrable 3-1. Slower ones are i guess nevin's disk, perilous vault, fraying line, false floor.Kozilek command is probably the most busted one tho but comes with a price.
Why is this only a common? Because you need a white to equip it!
>>94717071That's about right for a common. Might even be neat, if a tad slow, in pauper.
>>94716908>bracketWhat I would give to have been a fly on the wall in the meetings after they started seeing the online feedback to that idea.
>>94717162senior designer and vice president were disagreeing about the bracket system live on air. At that moment you knew the entire concept was kill.
>>94716858>carried by the 99Is this a meme? That should be every deck
>>94716954Blocking creatures can be removed with spot removal before combat damage is dealt anon. And there was no mention of how it died just that it regenerated :) stop being so angry when its uncalled for, your assumption, while correct, was faulty.
>>94716989>repeatable tutors bad!!!!>swinging with a 4/4 good!I would say tutoring is just as strong as a good etb it's dealers choice. The point is it can very easily not be donated anon no need to get angry cause you were wrong
>>94717250>I'll keep adding context that wasn't there because I need to be right even though it confused no one else!Are you the same mental midget who has that melty because you need every card explained to you because you can't be bothered to ask?Seems like it.
>TQThe most obvious and needed ban.
>>94717280I'm not adding any context though anon? The post, as it reads, states the creature died during the combat phase. That is all the context we have, we have no mention of (until he clarified) how the creature died. It could've died to an instant before combat damage was dealt, in which case his friend would've been correct, or it could've died due to combat damage, in which case his friend was wrong. You are welcome to screenshot the original post and highlight where it is stated that it died to combat damage >inane ramblingNo i actually was arguing against that guy :)
>>94715636>rhysticAbsolutely. Blue gets too much for too little and RS is just more goodstuff on top of piles of good stuff. It doesn't even really fit blue's theme of spell slinging. Blues enchantments should always suck or not affect the rest of the table.>TitheIt's powerful but white needs it and outside of Selesnya it's not going down by turn 3 at the earliest in 99% of games anyways so it's no big deal.Also with both once they're on the table it's not your job to remind people to pay. Just stfu and add your treasure or draw your card and if anyone asks why remind them then.
>>94717302Anon. Everyone else took it to mean combat from jump, the op then clarified that yes that was the case. You lost.
>>94717319>everyone else took it to meanAKA everyone else ASSUMED. Which is correct because we lacked the full context to know for sure thank you for appealing to consensus and defeating your own argument in the process lmao >you lostAll I did was correctly state that if if was removed before combat damage it would also be removed from combat and do none :) another case of an insecure /edhg/ retard ignoring context and everything so he can desperately convince himself he "won"
>>94715602Thoracle should be bannedMana crypt should be unbannedIs thoracle stronger than mana crypt? Definitely not, mana crypt was definitely one of if not the best card in the entire format. But the thing is mana crypt is not fucking obnoxious and fucking gay to play against on the same level as thoracle is. Thoracle is the best wincon in the game, is barely less efficient than flash hulk was, it is easier to slot into any deck than flash hulk was due to being way more compact and is more commonly seen now than flash hulk ever was.The commander banlist is not a list of cards that are too OP that need to be removed, it's a list of cards that straight-up ruin the games they would be played in which is why decidedly not overpowered cards like Iona and Sway of the Stars are on the list. Thoracle is even worse than those because it actually is overpowered as well as being game ruining. FUCK thoracle
>>94717374>But the thing is mana crypt is not fucking obnoxious and fucking gay to play against on the same level as thoracle is.Thats because I guess you're playing cedh exclusively, so mana crypt was the minimum buy-in, but thoracle is a wincon there. In every other context of edh, mana crypt was gayer to play against than thoracle.
>>94717306>card draw is not a blue themewut?
>>94716740>superior card>superior card that can be commander>superior card in the same colors>superior card that requires less mana>superior card that benefits hugely from an easy to pull off strategy that is one of Orzhov's strongest strategies>superior card that is the exact same creature type>superior card that is part of the exact same loreIf anyone is playing council over karlov they're either being a contrarian trying to make some stupid statement or excessively poor.
>>94715721Everytime I see this guy, I'm reminded I have a foil copy laying around. I do want to build him one day, group slug style.
>>94717334>flailing around this hard trying to save face on an anonymous board. Just stop posting faggot.
>>94717234If your general is not the signature card of your deck, why are you playing this format?I have never won a game where I didn't cast "Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow" (I don't use any combos)
>>94717334Yes we assumed. Like I said you cant infer information because youre a braindead mouthbreathing retard who needs to be spoonfed every bit of information because the critical thinking part of your brain is damaged
>>94717430Not draw, persistent tax effects which doesn't fit blue at all and takes away from white. But designers have always been faggots when it comes to blue and good stuff. I'm honestly shocked they never included a blue Smothering Tithe.
>>94717409Nah. There isny anything degenerate unique to crypt unless you're playing in a very low power meta with minimal interaction.
>>94717505Anon if the context was clear there would be no reason to assume :) you are retarded
>>94717534>Anon if the context was clearIt was. To everyone but you.
>>94717536Then you wouldn't have assumed?
>The guy at the table who is a bit of a faggot tutors to the top of his library>Make him mill.Is this too much?
>>94717540I'm not the anon, but it was clear from first post. You're just an idiot.
>>94717499I mean it's one thing to play a sub <1000 edhrec rank commander.It's another to play a sub <500 edhrec rank commander.You might be a huge shitter and need to play a top 100 edhrec commander.But playing a top 10 commander you should truly ask yourself if doing a luigi isn't the true meaning of your life.
>>94717551I'm afraid it wasn't, that's why clarification was given and separate interpretations arose, that is also why you and "everyone else" assumed. The concept of an assumption is in direct contradiction to proper context being given.
>>94717499You should want to cast your commander every game, but a deck that can’t function without access to its commander is a bad deck.
Yes, this should arrive the same time as my bad dragons and Chasity cage.
>>94717545No, fuck tutorfags
>>94717578It was given because you were a moron.You were the only one confused.If this needs to be explained to you, you are beyond help.
>>94717545Nope. I run codex shredder for exactly this purpose.
>>94717600I truly hope this is a proxy site.
>>94717636Nope!
>>94717639
>check out a video abount land bases>golden ratio is 43 lands>36 is the lowest you should ever go!! never go below 36 lands!!>my decks run an average of 30 lands tops and I've yet to find a single issue with itI don't get it
>>94717618You're free to highlight where it is suggested anon :)
>>94717665They don't take in account mana curves when they give up these idiotic "rules of thumb"
>>94717665My main deck average CMC is 2.5 and I use 36 lands + 4 MDFCsLosing a game by getting mana flooded is much better than losing a game by getting mana screwed
>>94717670>asks to be spoonfed yet again because he lacks the ability to infer informationPlease keep going youve already dug the grave but how deep can you go
>Sac 3 creatures using skullclamp>5 lands.I can't say I agree
>>94717665Its all about that sweet curve baby.Stompy timmies with 6+cmc creatures need the mana, good deckbuilders know how much they need
>>94717554Oh fuck off. There's nothing wrong with playing popular commanders.Most of mine are between ranks #1000-1700. But that's because I enjoy playing janky obscure bullshit.Not everyone has to play the same way or enjoy the same things. The fact that a commander is popular means more people enjoy playing it.You and I are the outliers. That doesn't make us better.
>>94717729No, if my commander has a lower played rank I am statistically a better person than them and have a larger cock
>>94717531Starting with three mana on turn one is quite degenerate, anon.
>>94717739Well, when you put it that way. Post dick.
>>94717714link to this tool?
>>94717823Its just Moxfield anon, make a list and this is on bottom with example hands and such
>>94717811Its huge
After careful consideration I have decided not to return to this game. See ya in 2026.
>>94716878Why the fuck is Faldorn $45
I'm a red player. I play red decks almost exclusively.I get shit on almost endlessly by everyone at my store, insulted, sighed at, everything.Meanwhile I go up against stax and other bullshit like Eldrazi and Slivers every single pod and people dropping One Rings and other fuckery.But if I win on the same turn their decks can win I'm a cheap shit-for-brains that ruins everyone's time?
>>94717877probably just pulling from a weird listing
>>94717749Nope. You can do it a variety of ways, and all the payoffs dont actually win the game.
>>94717882When I win it is due to my cleverness as a deckbuilder, my skill as a player, and my tactical acumen during gameplay. When you win it's because you're a cheap netdecker who doesn't understand the true purpose of EDH and can't stand other people having fun.
>>94717892>You can do it a variety of waysNone of them are "I drew this card and can play it for free" tho. >all the payoffs dont actually win the game.Advancing your board state doesn't win you the game, yet you must do it to win the game.
Rate my 'bo
>>94717925Payoffs are infinite life or infinitely large creatures or if youre lucky and get radiant solar out it can actually just win
>>94717902Sure there are, like simian spirit guide, lotus petal, or ancient tomb. At most crypt saves you a single card, with the draw back of killing you to easy counterplay when you're at a certain level of skill.Now as to your second point, advancing your board is not required to win the game, you can sculpt your hand, dump things in the yard, ect. It can help you win the game, but executing a wincon is what actually wins the game. There are no early wincons unique to crypt that cant be executed with sol ring and an additional card, plus the likelihood of having 4+ cards to win the game t1 is statistically unlikely.
>>94717936I hope to christ you have siblings because the concept of a family's lineage culminating in you and you alone is genuinely depressing.
>>94717925question is do you want Yomiji or Kentaro as the commander? Kentaro as your general opens up a lot more options, plus you can run the Enduring Renwal combo and piss off soibois with McNeill art
>>94717940>get btfod>spergsClassic /edhg/
Ban every reserve list card
>>94717946Kentaro for sure. People will just assume weird Samurai shenanigans whereas Yomiji telegraphs a combo pretty hard imo in the command zone I'm not familiar with this combo seems like a funky card though
>>94717936Ancient tomb consumes your land drop, lotus and simian are one-time benefits that provide less mana that crypt. They're plainly not the same and treating them as equivalent is facile. Crypt provides you with significant mana advantage in any game where it's not immediately removed.
>>94717940I have a house, a beautiful fiancèe, and a deck that could slap your pod 6 ways to sunday. You seem to have a silly argument predicated on faulty assumptions and fuzzy logic. Enjoy the holidays anon, you seem stressed.
>>94717931>Payoffs are infinite life or infinitely large creaturesFrom what?
>>94717973All ramp spells do this anon!
>>94717979Ramp costs mana! Crypt doesn't.
>>94717977From anything? White has about 500 cards that gain life on creatures ETB and a decent number of cards that put counters or buff your board on creature ETB, and if radiant solar is out you can loop through dungeons to drain everyone :)>>94717982Yep crypt is a real good ramp option that's for sure
>>94717987So good that its an outlier, hence why it got banned.
>>94717987>From anything?Oh okay, so that's just an infinite ETB combo without any of the triggers. I'm tracking now.
>>94717973But what's mana without cards in hand? Every deck has a way to cheat on mana, be it extra land drops or reanimator or dorks or whatever. And of those things, none will kill you as certainly as a crypt under null rod. Again, only very low skill players take issue, and the argument has moved beyond "crypt enables degenerate plays", which it doesnt, to "crypt is too cheap for the ramp it provides", which is irrelevant and a far lower bar.
>>94717925I wanted to make a Kentaro deck, but the combo lines are incredibly janky and easy to disrupt. Any advice on making things less fucky?
>>94718005Thats just saying card draw is as important as mana generation, which is true. But by that rationale, mana crypt saving you a card in hand is actually important and enabling of more degenerate plays than you could otherwise produce.
>>94717971basically acts as a backup for Yomiji, same with pic related, which also works for the main combo in a Toshiro deck
>>94718026You're in Mono W so load up on stax effects
>>94718002ETB, LTB, Storm count ya>>94718026I have spent in total 10 minutes on this and 2 was making that collage I'll update as I spend more time on it!
>>94718038Sure, but saving you one card isnt reason enough for it to be banned as a singleton card. Lots of contemporary cards are very modular and save slots, like soporific springs or kozilek's command. The only thing crypt does that is unique is allow you to play a 3 drop turn one with one fewer card, and edh isnt at that level of optimization.
>>94718090I do, it goes in almost every deck and functionally reads "3 mana, +1 card advantage"
>>94718110To be frank, that's nonsense math from an idiot and your opinion has been noted.
>>94718151Its your own position, anon.
Best Big Mana commanders?
Outside of my turn 1 I would take sol ring over crypt any turn of the game. The downside is not negligible no matter how much you meme it and the added explosiveness is only really impactful on T1 where you only have 1 mana available and with sol ring that goes to 0/2 but colorless. Card shouldn't have been banned, it should've been included in every precon alongside sol ring and signet
>>94718174turn 4 it gets you 4 mana instead of 3, which is a pretty big breaking point for a lot of commanders
>>94718222Yeah I'm aware of how basic arithmetic and numbers work etc. I'd still take a sol ring over mana crypt any turn outside of 1. I don't want to potentially take 3 damage a turn that's huge
>>94718229>that's hugeno matter how retarded you act, this just isn't true
>>94718229> I don't want to potentially take 3 damage a turn that's hugeI want you to remember this every time you get damage through because you only have combo pieces to block with
>>94718237In what world is it not? 3 triggers and that's a quarter of your life. I've seen dozens of people die to their own crypt. Or be taken out of a game 6 blood artist triggers soon because of crypt damage. Nah, unintelligent people cannot conceptualize all the possible contexts in which life totals exist and just go haha 40 is bigger than 20 and 3 so 3 doesn't matter! It absolutely does and there is genuinely no argument against it
>>94718157Nope, illiterate anon. Try again, you may need to work on your reading comprehension.
>>94718049Stax effects aren't really strong in mono W to control the game, and get everyone to point their guns at you if it hoses one player and doesn't even win you the game. I don't think stax to stall for a combo is very good, might be wrong though.
>>94718270It is, you're just too deep in your position to realize your own flaws
>>94718237Silly anon, in cedh people died to crypt all the time, and many cedh decks use life as a resource in other ways, so they cant really afford the waste. In fact, it's underrepresented in vintage for exactly this reason.
>>94718280No. It's +1 card advantage when compared to most ways of making 3 mana t1, usually using sol ring, but not all of them. Simian spirit guide ancient tomb does it just as efficiently. Same with city of traitors and lotus petal. It still only taps for 2 mana.
>The best draw engine in the game is some UB trash.Fuck off.
>>94718251>I've seen dozens of people die to their own cryptthis didn't happen btw
>>94718309>Simian spirit guide ancient tomb does it just as efficientlydown several mana T2>Same with city of traitors and lotus petal.see above
>>94718284>underrepresented in vintageyou mean that format where it's so good it's restricted? no way
>>94718250What are you even trying to say here lol
>>94715616Blue players sendin this anon into a seethin shoot
>>94718361>Blue players*Niggers
>>94718334Yup, before last eternal weekend it was at one of its lowest shares ever.>>94718331There are lots of ways to make mana, like island lotus petal sol ring t1. But the point has been proven and you're arguing semantics at this point. Blowing up the t1 crypt has the same effect you're describing.
>>94718311Theres better draw engines though anon
>>94718311One Ring is more iconic than magic itself.
>>94718323Does mana crypt deal damage? If so, it can absolutely kill people. Pretending 3 damage is negligible is the sign of a bad player. Every point of life matters, every point you lose is 1 less your opponents have to do to you. That's less creatures they have to swing at you, less spells or abiltiies or triggers they need to target you with etc. Even if we pretend people don't die directly to crypt, it still brings them closer
Is it better to run a commander with a protection effect, like one of the indestructible enchantment creature gods, so that it's harder to remove, or is it better to put those cards in the 99 and run a commander without any protection so that you can recast it when it gets removed?
>>94718387>Pretending 3 damage is negligible is the sign of a bad playerit pains me watching you try to "fit in" so hard about a format you don't actually play or understand very much.
>>94718387you know what also brings people closer to dying?ramping 2 for 0
>>94718400I see you're thoroughly out of your depths in this discussion and that is more than olay meme on friend!>>94718406Okay? And how does this relate to my post anon
>>94718399Is best to have a commander that is best used in the command zone, in the command zone.
>>94718311In constructed, yeah, but in commander cards like trouble in pairs, remora, and rhystic rocket past it thanks to more game actions happeningIt's still absurd, though, and should have never been printed
Speaking of Trouble in pairs, does it actually come in a precon?
>>94718171You posted him I'm also partial towards Yurlok because mana doublers and X-spells are the spellslinger equivilant of Xenagos'ing fools
>>94718457Blame game
>>94718171who's more fun for cascade stuff, him or Imoti?
>>94718478>43 dollarly doos on Amazon>Half of that is just Trouble and Pairs value.Yeah, I need more Boros shit anyway so probably worth paying the precons price.
>>94718523Fun? Imoti imo, cascading 10->9->8->7->6->5 is unlikely, but a funny prospectAverna is my personal favorite, cascading ramp is always a fun time (for me)
Retarded printing question but I don't know where else to ask except here since I know it's proxy heaven How the fuck am I supposed to deal with borders and drift? I went out of the way to give my cards 6.5 mm of a border and shit looks as wacked as picrel. It's on me for not using a more textured border to make it less obvious, but the more I read, the more everyone kept bleating 'DONT USE BORDERS' over and over. A yet I know tons of people proxy MtG so something isn't clicking for me.Like, even if you don't have a large out border, any box you put on your card will naturally create a "border", right? The only difference is if it's the stock or printed ink - neither of which changes the drift issue no? So how are all these people having cards with 1-2 mm (non-inked) borders not having drift shit like mine?Or was I just screwed by the printing company and they're lying out their ass?
>>94718523Obviously ydris or that big eldrazi. Maelstrom is also quite good.
>>94718559>t. WotC r&d
>>94718562have theirs gotten that bad? I ever only play online or old ass penny cubes
>>94718559I wrote a big reply but then I realized at the end it seems you bought your own proxies? Are you so inept that you can't even make your own bootlegs? No help from me.
Trouble in Pairs art is horrible and the card is too expansive, anyone has custom proxy suggestions? This was the first thing that came to mind
>>94718585Quite good actually. I'd say a set of big honkin tits, but you know me.
Who is the best Jund Dragon commander who isn't Korvald or Karthus?
>>94718585much cooler flavor text as well
>>94718601you're kidding me?
>>94718610Prosh is ancient, people dont even remember the fear foodchain used to cause your lgs.
>>94718523I dont really consider MW a cascade commander because you really build him with as many bombs and ramp as you can muster. Hell he can be your Temur Dragons commander with Miirym in the 99 and it will get the job done because having Fervor and two free cards in the command zone is no joke. >>94718539I actually like 12 + Susan Freeman a lot for Temur Cascades.
>>94718610Superior Jund precon commander commin through Prossh having an infinite right out of the box was hilarious though
>>94718714What was in the precon? Ashnod's Altar?
>>94717877It's the full art+foil version, which seems to be rare. I have a bad habit of buying the most expensive versions of cards. It's especially dumb with lands. But I am otherwise good with money in life so I can be dumb in my hobby.
>>94718724Stalking Vengeance, Primal Vigor, Tooth and Claw. Actually just a 3 card infinite
Are there anymore board wipes like these 3?
Is land destruction bad if i run cards that let them get a basic after?
>>94718874Its less faggy, but its still pretty faggy.
>>94718874nah, fuck them you're already giving them landfall triggers
>>94718815tooth and nail at homt
>>94718874Land destruction is always fine, dont be silly.>>94718860Yes. There's that one artifact too, used yo be played in modern.
>>94718903>There's that one artifact too, used yo be played in modern.Unstable Glyphbridge?
>>94718891What if they are losing life every time they play a land?Does that make it better?
when are they printing a playable version of this effect?
>>94718874It's arguably rude but mostly pointless if they run regular lands. But the moment a utility land comes out, you're free to blast. Ancient Tomb, Urborg, Eldrazi degeneracy, Gaea's, all deserve to be destroyed. The Ojer cards and the other Ixilan lands that flip into a land. Blow them all up.>Someone complains about land destruction that gets a basic because they only have 2 basics in their two-colour boros deck (actually had this happen)Deserved. 3 colour decks should still run some basics. And 99% of 4-5 colour decks are just goodstuff so they deserve it too.
>>94718912Oblivion stone.
>>94718933Its not playable>Faggot plays Tefari's protection, clever concealment, march of mists etc.>Get fucked idiot.Its situational, but it can't dunk on some meta white/blue cards right now.
>>94718951I see, there's also fraying line.
>>94718955but that card absolutely dunks on teferi protection, concealment and march of mists
>>94718955anon that's what I'm sayingit needs to have flash, be 3 mana and have a mode to replace itself like cycling
>>94718874nothing is rude in a magic game, fuck their searches too brotha
How often do you or the people you play with use proxies? I made a bunch of conan proxies for a 'Hyborian Age' Kresh deck and I love them but it doesnt feel the same as the real deal. Idk how to explain it.
>>94718523imoti is a Monstrous Vortex abuser, it's an insane deck to put everything with 5 cmc in the table
>>94718939What happens if they don't have any basics? Do they just lose the land, or do they get to make a land token?
>>94718974>>94718976I was agreeing with you, I meant the first line as a greentext too.
>>94718992my group has a rule where you can use 3 proxies max and no proxying cards over $50 in value. seems to work pretty well for us
>>94718992We only allow proxies if you own the card in earnest. So you don't have to buy staples over and over again. Or if you have the card on order but want to play it as it is.Beyond that we don't.
>>94718974it's so bad thoyou either need one other (cheap) card to lure the phase out on your turn no less OR you need another player going BEFORE you to do it so you can use your turn to cast this very underwhelming body with no evasion or protection
>>94718580No I'm making cards for my own homebrew and finally got them 'professionally' printed after ringing my printer dry
>>947190121WEnchantmentFlashWhen ~ enters phase out target nonland permanent.Permanents can't phase in. now it's just a leyline binding type effect that's slightly more expensive since multiple copies keep everything gone until they're all removed
Can anyone recommend a fun 3-color, 3-CMC commander? There's a decent amount of options and I'm wondering which ones are the most to play with and against.
>>94719033
>>94719033He's hella fun.
>>94719033Sidisi, Brood Tyrant is fun but it's 4 mana
>>94718860You also got mythos of snapdax and Tragic arrogance. Up to your deck whether or not hitting other card types is good or not.
>>94719033not 3 mana but I love this nigger like u wouldn't believe
>>94719009>>94719010Not bad rules, I think the most expensive one was like 10 bucks
>>94715925Loxodon Warhammer is 3 mana Equip 3. It's arguably better stats, sure, but Shadowspear is a 1 mana Equip 2. In a Prowess deck every point of mana counts so for a card to be 3 equip 3 it has to be a huge payoff like Reaver Cleaver.In my perspective, anyway.
>>94719033nu-volrath. it's counters everywhere, gets toys almost every set and copying weird shit is funit's been powercrept hard tho because it doesn't draw card like everything today>>94719040>draw land from your grave>>94719041>draw a token of creature>>94719047draw multiple cards (disgusting)
>>94719076nu-volrath is 5cmc
>>94719076The Shape Changer is not 3 cmc
>>94719048Tragic Arrogance is probably one I'll add. Cataclysmic Gearhulk probably too. Its going to be a boros deck, otherwise I'd put snapdax in too.
>>94719085>>94719090but you are in green so it's like 3 cmc
>>94719050not 3 colours either you raktard
>>94719129I didn't care about one requirement, why would I care about the other one, dumbass?
you now remember the cowboy bebop tie in
>>94718860Quite a few
>>94718992Decently often I never really care. For myself I will always proxy lands and maybe a card or two but I generally just try to stick to lands or save myself 20 bucks in the fun cards
>>94719076>3 cmc>5 cmc>card is just draw an opponents creature
>>94719152Is there a big tiddy faye or one of the cool ass dog?
>>94719308>3coloranon...
>azorius signet>it's fucking greenThis bothers me more than I can put into words
>>94719326this the same brainrot as complaining that black skins appear on white cards
>>94719033Define 3cmc 3 color
>>94719326blue and yellow make green
>>94719001I'm only 99% certain on this: They can fail to find. You resolve the card as you read it and do as much as you can to resolve it. So if you destroy someone's land and have them search their deck for a basic but they don't have a basic, they simply will not find a basic and thus not put it on the battlefield. You've done all the card said to do so basically they get fucked.
>>94719001>>94719374Depends on the card. If you ghost quarter or white orchid them or whatever they just dont get the land if they dont have basics.
>>94719033With the wizzillion ridiculous creatures Wizards prints these days and has, there's always funny cards to windmill slam on the table. Can easily be built dirt-cheap too with how many good options there are.
>>94719009What a dumb rule.
>Went to an lgs I hadn't been to before to look for singles for a deck I'm brewing.>ask me what I was looking for>Told them my commander, Rosina >"Just don't. There are better voltron or equipment commanders, especially in boros."At least they had a Tyrite Sanctum and Sigarda's aid.
>>94719453explain why
>>94718992I use proxies all the time and refuse to play with anti-proxy people as they are mentally ill. I'd have no real issue getting aggressive toward an anti-proxy tard either.>>94719461What is the reasoning outside of specifically wanting to support WOTC and the brand? If you try to make some power excuse, then you are retarded, as the issue in that scenario has nothing to do with proxies itself.
>>94719459Yes, you're building a bad deck. Why are you surprised? At least they were nice enough to tell you.
>>94719472>>94719459This>build shit waifu deck>never have fun>never have an impact>one out if every 10 games pull off your epic worldslayer combo>still lose>quietly take apart deck
>>94719459They sound like absurd faggots.
>>94719459Why would you give money to such insufferable losers?>"There are better commanders.">Hand them back the cards and say you don't want to buy them anymore.>LeavePeople should mind their own fucking business.
>>94719459Most LGS are not owned by business people. Hence why very few stay open.Reminds me of the guy who began shit talking a customer after they left. The other guy (who seems the be the boss but not owner) chewed him out. No one is attracted to a store of douchebags who insult their choices.
>>94719661Because they were selling those cards less than the TCG player price for lightly played, as far as I could tell, near mint condition. I only bought 2 cards, I would have spent more time and bought more if they hadn't acted like that. Not like I'll ever go back now.
My Commander hot take:The best way to play Commander precons versus other precons (preferably from the same set). Commander should be treated like a boardgame with zero deck construction.I struggle with deck construction with Commander because I am not sure if the intent is to make a deck that wins as efficiently as possible, or a deck that "has fun", and even then "fun" is a very nebulous hard to define concept.
>>94719459lol some stores are just like that>be friend of mine>building picrel when she was new>went to a smaller LGS in our city to get sleeves and a box>starts chatting with the clerk about what sleeves would be fitting>clerk asks what he is building>friend says nu-Narset>"You got SUCH a small dick?"best part is i already knew what clerk exactly that was when my friend told the playgroup about that interaction. he once talked with another customer about commander and started bragging to us about his Baral, Chief of Compliance counter tribal deck, with all the counter spells in the book
>>94719697Commander is best when you are just playing it with regular buds, brewing and having fun, not going to LGS to pubstomp to or to play CEDH.Though, that has its appeal, its not what the format should really be about, imo.
>>94719697agreed, i've bought all 4 warhammer decks and i keep them in a huge ass box for this purpose, commander is just a board game, real magic is constructed 60 cards like pauper and modern or limited.
Just bought these Scar card sleeves for my Windgrace deck because I was still using the crappy black matte Ultra Pros I got 4 years ago and they're so nice looking and smooth, got a Scar deck box too to keep all my rare cards for future decks inI wish Magic could sell sleeves and deck boxes in box stores too, imagine 100 card boulders with mtg themes on them...
what are some good colorless draw cards?
>>94719697The rule is simple: bring at least two decks. Some people enjoy building and playing at a high level, others dont. Hedge your bets.
>>94719674>>94719705On one hand, I can understand talking like that to try and make and up sale. It should be worded better than basically "lol that's dumb" however. It was pretty tame compared to what the two of you described, but still. Why try and not get a sale at all?
>>94719740geier reach sanitarium, war room, bonder's enclave, sword of fire and ice, howling mine, mind's eye, and of course at #1, the man, the myth, the Legend, Skullclamp
>>94719459The trick is to go there later and prove em wrong by kicking some ass with your deck. I believe in you, anon.
>>94719740Depends entirely on what else your deck does and how much you want to spend.The One Ring for basically any kind of deck.Well of Lost Dreams if you gain a lot of life.Idol of Oblivion if you make a lot of tokens.Mind's Eye if you can have a lot of spare mana to draw off other people's draw engines.Skullclamp if you have a lot of weenies you can just sac for 2 cards.There's that artifact in WoE that lets you draw, discard and make a treasure token if you want a cheap draw engine and can get your cards out of your graveyard.
>>94719741One thing I like to do is playing an unmodified precon versus supposedly good decks. I like the feeling of being the underdog, and on the off-chance you win like this it is all the sweeter. For contrast, I hate playing commonly seen goodstuff cards because it makes the game too homogeneous and boring.
>>94719785Thank you anon.
>>94719459Who is Rosina?
>>94719826Boros Risotto from Neon Dynasty I think
>looking at all these Aetherdrift previewsI DON'T WANT TO SEE CARS IN MAGICI JUST DONTI'M NOT FUCKING BUYING IT
elden ring UB when?
>>94719838I don't want to see Saheeli splashed green either, but we can't do anything about it.
>>94719805agreed, fuck rhystic and smothering tithe
>>94719838Meanwhile me wondering how the fuck an Aetherspark can be an artifact Planeswalker if there's no corporeal form attached to itIs this like the Harry Potter Quiddich thing and it just grows wings and flies around and they're racing to catch it???
I'm looking forward to instead remastered more than any other set since brothers warThe absolute state
>>94719882>be an artifact PlaneswalkerIts not. Its a Planeswalker equipment. Its a spark in a jar basically.
>>94719831So is there some sort of counter's manipulation going on in the deck or is he just playing a commander deck about a 3 mana indestructible 3/3?
>>94719838Most of the sets lately feel like premises for unsets. It's clear they're running out of ideas.
>>94719922I think it's more Voltrony "Use Worldslayer to keep wiping everything out of existence except her to keep threats off the board" style But yeah he could also use Nesting Grounds to move indestructible counters off her to his other stuff to slowly build up an unkillable army
>>94719959>>94719922That's more or less the plan, yes.
>>94719959does this still work with trample damage?
>>94720029Trample damage is combat damage.
>>94719459Dont make me tap the sign
>>94720029yes, any combat damageif it's 1 point of combat damage, KABOOM
>>94720047based.
>>94719661Don't leave your house if you can't handle a bit of banter, simple as.
>>94719661Wow magic players really are insufferable autists holy shit
>>94720227Also don't leave your house if you can't handle getting cracked in the jaw/stabbed/shot over banter. Let's not try and pretend people haven't been killed over "banter."
>>94720239You're the anon who claimed he brings guns to the lgs and would kill people over a game a couple months back aren't you??
Are there any cards that move counters on to my opponent's permanents? Say for example an opponent's creature has a +1/+1 counter on it, are there any cards that could move that counter onto another creature of theirs (or land)?
>>94720247No idea what the fuck you are talking about. That is illegal in my state. But it does seem you are arguing no one is ever killed over saying dumb shit in public. >No one will kill over a gamebro people get shot to death over cutting someone off in traffic. How fucking old are you?
>>94720251Fate Transfer is the only one I can think of
>>94720251Only thing that lets you interact with out people's creatures that I can think of off the top of my head.
>>94720258Yeah you're definitely the anon who was claiming he would threaten to assault people over this game a couple months back lmao. The irony to call someone else young when you clearly have no concept of nuance or scale is hilarious
>>94720283Hope you don't die due to being so naive anon.
>>94720051>>94719977>>94719959i think anon will catch people off guard with this the first time he plays against them.only the first time.
>>94720294Anon i haven't made any claims one way or other lmao stop acting like a 15 year old
>>94720315lol didn't read
How many creatures is too few? I'm trying to build azorius enchantress and theres just not that many synergies with the creatures.I have 16 and I'm thinking I can maybe do 2 more at max
>>94720365you dont need creatures, especially if you go the evil route and just pack more boardwipes
>>94719805This is fine, you just cant be mad if you lose. I do this "I'm not really lefthanded" thing when I go to a new gamestore where I usually play my shittier decks, but in reality I'm a huge sweatlord who routinely goes to cedh tournaments. Most of the competition isnt there, it's no fun blowing out shitters even if they have fancy cards, but I really value being able to bust out my main and piloit it to the best of my ability. At a certain level the player matters more than the deck.
>>94719805I won my first game with the Mothman precon against my friends 7+ decks. Most of it was dumb luck and them not blowing up my mothman every time I played him.Which was how it went from then on. I can't believe that deck didn't have boots in it at all.
>it's a friend runs Demonic Tutor in every black deck episode
>>94720511He'd be a fool not to, honestly.
>>94720511Why wouldnt you?
>>94720516>>94720518>I MUST run staples!
>>94720523That's not an argument anon that's just you whining like a fag. Why wouldnt you?
>>94720511>It's game 1 Ad Naus into game 2 Notion Thief against people not running Sol Ring
>>94720523Yes. Staples arent staples because they suck.
>guy in our playgroup just asked for approval to proxy a card that's going to heavily synergize with the deck i'm building
>>94720251There's Daghatar the Adamant, but that's specific to +1/+1 counters. Then there's Nesting Grounds, but it can only move counters from your stuff to any card, so it's great for stun or finality counters.
>>94720511Tutors below a certain CMC should be banned desu. It completely defeats the purpose of the deck building restrictions.>>94720528Because I like variety in my decks. I'm willing to sacrifice power to produce a less stagnant experience and the game would be more fun if more people had that mentality.
>>94715672Making me question my hipster cred, this is the closest I get. Draws less hate than Lucea Kane and isn't need as much X density as the new Rosheen.
>>94720523And you don't have any staples in your deck?
>>94720573Post a deck list
>>94720565What card?
>>94720578>>94720573Second. I'm going to hold my tounge, anon could have some spice and I'd like to give him a chance.
>>94720579aluren
>>94720577Not all staples are equal.
>>94720596I would allow this.
>>94720607Then why are they grouped together?
>>94720607A staple is a staple, and if you have any in your decks your convictions are naught.
based or cringe?
>>94720607You really disappointed me anon but my hopes were already pretty low after you made some gay convictionless>high cmc tutor okay.... cause!
>whale throws down some stupid ass tutor, doesn't even pass priority before picking up his deck>bird his ass>he grumbles and says he thought this was a casual game
>>94720640It got very boring very fast but I gave it to my brother who really loves apes and monkeys and he has a good time with it, giving out the bananas has become very funny.
>>94720640>tribalCringe.>group hugCringe.>cute animalCringe.>GruulCringe.>artifact hatePretty based.
>>94720660Well done. Flavourtext related.
>>94720627Because cards that go in every deck are not the same thing as cards that determine whether a game is won or lost when they are played.
>>94720670My friend that plays Kinnan is so pissed off at this card and my using phyrexian revovker/pithing needle on his Kinnan.
>>94718992it is always morally correct to proxy the reserved list
>>94720645Can't tutor until later in the game and have to commit more mana to the tutor and have less mana for executing a win with whatever you tutor or protecting the win with what you tutor. It's why cheaper tutors are better and prioritized anon. Also I'm a different person, I just agree with the other guy because I'm not some retard who thinks buying better cards makes me a better player.
>>94720693Run cursed totem, it's the latest spice. Null rod is the next layer, but that might be a bit much.>>94720671Every card determines whether a game is won or lost when utilized correctly, you're being silly.
>>94718992The only proxies I run are custom cards. The way I see it, if my friends are going to play Fallout or Marvel or Doctor Who then I'm going to play Pinhead godammit.
>>94720523I mean, why wouldn't I?>just make your deck shitty intentionallywhy?
>>94720565>asking permissioncuck behavior.
>>94720722>because I'm not some retard who thinks buying better cards makes me a better playerBut you are some retard who thinks the people who practice with powerful cards arent more skilled at utilizing them. Magic is only "pay to win" if you are very new or very bad.
>>94720726Yeah and that's why your type gravitate towards the cards that are incredibly difficult to use incorrectly.
>>94720745When was the last time a sub-100 dollar deck won a legacy or vintage major tournament?
>>94720726>Run cursed totemHurts my main deck too much, but I can probably fit it in my secondary, it mostly only has triggered effects anyway.
>>94720747What decks do I play anon? The answer may surprise you.
>>94720733100% agree. All decks should be built to be as competitive as possible. The "muh casual game" shit pisses me off, because there's no possible way to know what powerlevel you should be playing at. at my local game store we have a rule where you're allowed to ban 2 cards from an opponent's deck before playing, and it works pretty well, because it's not enough to cripple someone's whole deck but it's enough to cripple those faggot infinite combos
>>94720750Cards are expensive, better equipment has an associated cost like in any hobby. What you're neglecting is the fact that everyone has everything at the top level, and it's mostly skill that seperates the top from the bottom.
>>94720772So...pay to win.
>>94720660>bounce opponent's commander>"i thought this was a casual game"genuinely, what do we do with these people? i think they'd be a lot happier playing yugioh
>>94720769>All decks should be built to be as competitive as possibleNo one said this.
>>94720777yeah i guess. What now?
>>94720777No? Are you retarded? >>94720769The dissonance here is hilarious
>>94720800>NOOOOO DON'T PLAY THE GAME DON'T ATTACK MY COMMANDER YOU'RE PUBSTOMPING ME STOP IT STOP IT YOU HAVE TO USE BAD CARDS YOU JUST HAVE TO
>>94720745>a retard with 100 games on kinnan is more likely to win than a retard first time kinnanEnlightening. A retard on Kinnan will beat the optimal player on a 50$ shitpile every time save for randomness based on the cards drawn almost always, because cards have actual numbers associated with them. Go keep losing in CEDH pods and stop pretending like you're some genius for understanding that mulling for fish or esper is free win.
>>94720777No, retard. It's pay to play, there is no promise of winning even if you have a the most expensive deck. But commander is nice and even lets you proxy, should you be so inclined.
>>94720804What on earth are you even saying or replying to holy fuck
>>94720809>But commander is nice and even lets you proxy, should you be so inclined.not for long ever since those faggots at the rules committee handed it back to WOTC
>>94720822sorry i have schizophrenia
>>94720808Damn anon you went full retard. I frequently win with an untiered cedh deck because I've spent a decade brewing and tuning it. If you need to resort to hyperbole to prove your point, you've missed the plot. There is no nobility or hidden talent in playing cheap cards; that only comes if you win. If your deck doesnt win, improve it. If you cant afford better cards, proxy them.
>>94720825But even wotc supports proxies? They just call them playtest cards
>>94720772Yeah, and the thing that determines victory between two aimbot users in a shooter is their skill relative to each other.Whales have a warped perspective on the world, man.
>>94720825I've never met someone who said "no proxies". Even at tournaments most people are cool with it. In fact most vintage tournaments have like 16 card proxy boards.
>>94720841local game stores usually get pissy about it but you can get away with it if you're only proxying $50+ cards or if you spend a lot there
>>94720838>using good cards is now aimbottingThe fuck are you on about? If your reading comprehension is any indication of your skill as a magic player, you require more practice.
summoning swordbro to tell us about his lgs games
>>94720852Not in my experience. Last tournament I went to I was like one of 5 people who didnt fully proxy their deck.
>>94720859The principle being compared anon is that just because two people who buy-in are on equal footing doesn't mean that it isn't pay-to-win. The entire point is they paid and therefor will win over people who did not pay, which they do.
>>94720852No they dont lol. I just sold like 500 in cards to my lgs today saying "I'll just proxy them if I need them" and they said cool and gave me my credit then we chatted for a bit
>>94720873>pay to winNo. What you mean is pay to play. But after youve paid the price of admission vintage/legacy are far from pay to win
>>94720874obviously i'm talking about the guy that shows up for friday night magic with his proxied anime set sucking up air in the store and never spending a dime there
Magic players with idiotic chips on their shoulders are beyond cute~
>>94720873But that has nothing to do with aimbots. Not only that, but there is an extremely cheap and socially acceptable solution to not buying in. In addition, the original premise was that people who practice with powerful cards are more familiar with them, and therefore better, which is absolutely true regardless of budget.
>>94720882Give me an example of a pay to win game that can't be described this way. No one except for paypigs who've bought in think like this.
>>94720899Magic. Golf. Car racing. Skiing. I can go on if you'd like.
Don't you guys get tired of buying the same $50 staples every single time you build a "new" deck just to have the same exact 30 card skeleton???
>>94720899>>94720918Oh sorry, you meant the opposite. Every single gatcha. Most mobile games. F1.
>>94720919I only have 3 decks anon. You dont really need more and you should see other formats.
who gives a fuck if it's "pay to win" or not you faggots are getting tripped up by a label yes fucking OBVIOUSLY the better cards cost more and yes OBVIOUSLY you can proxy them in 100% of situations that matter. magic is so fucking wild and complex that if you truly care deeply about "winning" or "losing" you're missing the point of the game. anyone can spend like $20 and buy infinite combo cards in every format and pull a 4 turn win. "winning" in magic is not impressive. magic is a cerebral game and you should be getting a kind of almost sexual satisfaction from watching the card interplay. losing is often times just as satisfying as winning just from seeing an interesting combo pop off. you guys are arguing about the dimensions of the 3 pointer line while we're playing pickup games at the park. get real
I'm play-testing a deck with 36 lands and I'm having the weirdest luck. I am constantly either mana screwed or flooded. I very rarely seem to have the right amount. Either I open with 3 and then draw none, or the first 6 cards of my deck are all land.Is there something wrong with my deckbuild? Is there anything I should look out for to fix this?
>>94720899Anon if vintage was pay to win then the most expensive deck would have the highest winrate.... which it doesn't.
>>94720919The only staples I keep using are cheap ones like Path of Exile, Sword of Plowshares, grasp of fate (if you can call that a staple) and the artifacts and lands that come in every precon.I should probably branch out of white, but fuck it.
>>94720945If you are play testing in paper, you suck properly shuffling and keep clumping your lands,If you're testing on online, you're just incredibly unlucky.
>>94720939As an ex-high level basketball player, some people enjoy competition, others dont. To compete is to try your best to improve and learn every game, to study and refine your craft, and to play close meaningful games with other people. As long as you're doing that, it doesnt matter what cards you play.
>>94720660>play a sol ringwtf i thought this was a casual game???
>>94720962>d2 athletes be like
>>94720961I'm testing on Archidekt
>>94720929If you just spend as much money as I do in the mobile game we're on equal footing and only our skill differentiates us. And so on.Typical "good" deckbuilder's analytical skill on display.
>>94720987Not true. I cant proxy a mobile game's characters or gear or whatever, and there is no "cap" on spending. Once you have the "staples" in vintage, for example, the upkeep and changes are usually very cheap.
>>94720919I proxy cards I already own. If someone wants to call that out, I will make them sit there while I swap cards out of decks.
>>94720947You cannot be this obtuse. Or stupid.Anon if we taped a block of gold to the steering wheel of one race car and it lost to another race car that doesn't suddenly mean that you can outpace a car by pedaling super duper hard on your bike.
Does pic related synergize with spells that reduce the cost of enchantments?I'm not sure how this works
>>94721038Yes. As they are enchantments.Just like how they would reduce enchantment creature, or artifact reduction works on normal artifacts, creatures, equipments, and vehicles
>>94721025This has no relation to the discussion
>>94721054Right, thank you. I just thought maybe if you had to tap mana before the card came out, it wouldn't know it was an enchantment or something?? Idk the small technicalities of basic game actions can be confusing
>>94721067They are just double side enchantments. You can pay whichever casting cost you like as an enchantment, then unlock the other later like you are casting another enchantment.
>>94720660>Pre-Covid>Guy comes in with Korvold.dek>Whole deck is just a jund goodstuff combo pile>Aven Mindcensor his Demonic Tutor>Wtf that card is such bullshit!>Just run removal dude it has one toughness...>"What am I supposed to do with this hand now, anon?" as he flashes a hand of expensive fetch lands, tutors, and combo pieces>Proceeds to pack up and huff out the store.Aven Mindcensor has always, and will always be, my brother.
I haven't built a new deck in almost 2 years and I just can't find a commander I want to play.
>>94721077Sorry, I meant the left door. If I make all my spells enchantments. Does that mean that cards that reduce the cost of enchantments effectively reduce the cost of all cards in my hand?
>>94721143Are you literally the inverse of me? I have built at least 1 deck per month for the last 6 months
>>94721143I build like 1 deck a month lmao and I still want more even though I doubled my deck count from 16 to 32 last year
>>94720939>Interesting combosYeah man, seeing that golgori or Orzhov deck and knowing that even if it's not the main wincon, it's got the sanguine bond + exquisite blood combo "just in case" is so interesting and exciting.
>>94721181>>94721191My issue is I've found my favorite commander for each theme I want to play.Windgrace for landsVarina for zombiesJhoira for artifact combo/stormGrist for self millBeckett Brass for piracyJodah for being a piece of shitAminatou for miracles/saga blinkingThe only guy that's called to me recently has been Flubs the Fool and I know i'd just end up playing him as a storm deck that would have 10 minute turns.
>>94721213If you aren't against UB get the Mothman precon from the Fallout decks. Rad counters are unique and very fun.
>>94721143That happens after playing long enough. Take your time, something neat will come along eventually.
>>94721213Storm is fine. Just practice the lines and execute quickly. Dont make it all gay and nondeterministic; this is why nadu will be banned in every format.
>>94719874>>94719805I think goodstuff is fine as long as it's on theme. Smothering Tithe fits in my Kambal deck, because that deck is all about taxing everything. I could absolutely put it in my Alibou deck, but that deck's theme is artifact creatures and top-deck manipulation. Why would I put Smothering Tithe in there?
>>94721143We have gotten some of the coolest commanders ever these past couple years you're lame
>>94721267I'm the same way! I opened a smothering tithe and it sat on my desk forever until I made an Ellyn deck, which is all about tokens if I hadn't made that it'd still be sitting there or maybe traded in for credit which I still might do and just proxy it
>>94721213Here's all of my decks. I love enchantress and I have like 6 decks for it. If you're bored try doing something you like in different colors.
>>94721310>all waifus>one random guy to throw us off the trail>dog pussy10/10 list anon
>>94721318 >:(
someone make a new thread already i have like 3 post ideas i wanna get off my chest
>>94721330Alright fine, I will.
>>94721310Awesome, gay, cool, gay, meh, cool, meh, cool, meh, meh, cool, cool.You've been judged.
>>94721330Autosage posting is the best, I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.
>>94721310Do you have a list for Wildsear. Is he fun?
>>94721330we have to wait until page 11 because we just do
NEW THREAD>>94721388>>94721388
>>94719890Honestly why? It's going to be just like the dominaria or ravnica remasters with underwhelming reprints
>>94720576>less hate than Lucea KaneI haven't played in a while, has my fav temur girl developed a reputation? She's so fun casting fuckyuge fireballs
>>94720867summoning so he can say he's watching football, or he just made dinner or he's going to sleep
>>94717714stompy timmies should skip all 2drop ramp spells entirely, t1 1cmc ramp into t2 3cmc ramp and hitting a 5 mana creature on t3 is smarter
>>94720750Quite often actually, unironically. This is a staple of the format and has been forever.https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-99-134-tix-legacy-burn
commander is terrible for lgs play since you deal with retarded "social contract" garbage all the time. it's great for kitchen table and even better if you and your buddies build a bunch of decks together and just swap who is using which at the kitchen table
>>94716274>so if you're playing a creature-heavy deck in red or green you're pretty much fuckedDont over extend your hand when playing creature decks, play some gas to get control of the board state then hold to see what happens
>Gemstone Caverns is a 50$ card>Ancient tomb is a 100$ cardNice, did we finally hit the point in Commander where every casual or new player is a gigaminmaxxer because of deckbuilding content and now everyone wants any half decent card banned because they are self unaware fags?
>>94722148Why the fuck is gemstone caverns $50Its not even that good
The rules committee calling it quits because some people sent them death threats for making shitty bans will never not be funny to me
Why is Emrakul even banned still?lol
>>94716644It's costs nine mana so practically everything works. Fucking Universal Solver will kill her.The smaller Ghost Niggas are better - cheaper, their evasion can be played in response to whatever and it trigger death effects. Big Obzedat is big, clunky "good stuff" commander that by itself is just okay at best.
>>94722153It has a 7% chance to give you two lands on turn 1 and it still comes in untapped 93% of the time. Not amazing, but it can go in any deck and there aren't very many fast mana lands to choose from.
>>94722153>Be player 2>Be playing azorius >Keep a 7>Pitch some 9 drop to gemstone caverns>Play both mystic remora and esper sentinel turn 1>Draw 971 cards before turn 2Fast mana is good, anon, especially when it isn't cast
