Tamurkhan the Smelly Maggot Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0HWarhammer Chronicles: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zipTime of Legends: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zipET: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zipTOW: https://gofile.io/d/ffbanDhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Previous Thread:>>94709437>Thread Question:Any books you've particularly enjoyed (either from the Wargame or the RPG)?
>TQAs much as I love both reading and Warhammer, I can't take Warhammer novels seriously. The writing quality is generally bad and the copyright shit drives me crazy, I want to read about knights fighting skeleton warriors, not Knights™ fighting Skeleton Warriors™.
>>94728494Missing>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szLfrom the OP. It was missing in the last thread's OP as well. For some reason™.
>TQI found the first half of the Archaon book fucking hilarious in a black comedy sort of way, the way Be'lakor sired and took a personal interest in him and kept rewinding time and making subtle changes to Groundhog Day railroad him onto the path he wanted. The book lost me when Archaon "stealthily" snuck into the Grand Theogonist's rape dungeon while soaked in human shit and whispering Chaos schizo shit the entire time, not to mention 1v100ing a room full of Empire Knights as a baseline human with no Chaos buffs while, again, SOAKED in human shit and getting burned by the consecrated ground for being a bad goy. Stopped reading after that.TLDR Archaon's book was so shit it was funny and I can't take Warhams books seriously now, but I'll drudge through G&F at some point.
Found this Ogroid...thing from AoS that I apparently removed from it's base at some point. Could this work as a Chaos Giant? (Excuse the weird photo, I'm moving house, there's nowhere to stand him and he won't stand up by himself)
>>94728605The book was just a mess iirc. It felt like a constant stream of "and then X happens" which didn't do its one job (fleshing out archaon) well. The hot take is that the series was too shirt conceptually. The entire story could have been how a templar ends up as a chaos champion, rather than "magic rock to head GG" at some point in the 2nd act.
>>94728676That's a 'Fomoroid Crusher' I believe. Size comparison shows it to be the same size of the smaller Giant in WFB, so sure go ahead.
>>94728703Yeah, the whole thing was just hamfisted and lazy as fuck. Like, Be'lakor has the fucker caught in an infinite timeloop where he can spend eternity manipulating him into falling, and the best he can do is "warpstone to da eye" like a fucking Orc
>>94728676The fomoroid crusher is a bit too small desu, I considered the concept myself.
>>94728708The belakor timeloop is also just so conceptually funny because its only really used for the most basic shit like "yea a viking raped some woman", like that's stuff you don't need a time loop forThey gave belakor one of the strongest displays of power possible, and he did basically nothing with it and then never did it again.And yea, the way he falls is just so random and ham-fisted. I can't suggest a specifically better way without knowing what they wanted his character to be, but there must have been better routes, fuck just copy Arthas if you're lazy.
>>94728718I could see him falling just because the Empire is a fucking mess and he and the members of his order were risking their lives thanklessly on the regular. Like his squire dying horribly to the warhounds could've been a good catalyst to make him see how pointless it all was, maybe he goes back to town with his body and gets accosted by ungrateful faggot Empire citizens and loses it. I wrote this in like 4 minutes and it's better than what we got
>>94728739Theres a lot of different ways for him to fall depending on how you want him to fall, it can be a pride thing, or a "I just need to use this evil artifact to save everyone it'll be fine" thing or a genuine ideological belief in chaos or a disillusionment with the empire or whatever elseOut of those I think pride (to some extent) is necessary for it to be satisfying, which in turnbrequires that the template diedrich not be some weird church orphan from a no name monastery but a respected and eminent knight. He should be a veteran who has fought long and hard for his god and his emperor, and maybe starts to think that he isn't being properly valued for his services, or that politicians and priests are sabotaging his efforts, that there's an institutional rot within the temple itself. From there he might question the place of the temple and its God, maybe its not rot, maybe its everything working as intended (and that's worse), maybe he does find that end of the world prophecy from his 5e incarnation and decides that this is sigmars plan, who knows
>>94728676either that or cygor
>>94728771Good point. Him being an unrecognized broke nobody with no accolades kind of ruins the "he was teh best knight evar but now he's ebil!!" angle they were clearly going for
>>94728787I think him being a nobody could work if they first had him be genuinely noble and good. Like have a book which is just small town knight Diedrich kastner protecting the weak and innocent and maybe butting heads with corrupt Big Knight and their improper knightly ways. Then while he's not necessarily a "big time templar" he's still a paragon of a sort, which still leads to a meaningful fall.Although "paragon of goodness is corrupted" is a lot harder to do than "flawed but famous and respected person is corrupted"
>>94728154turing mordheim into a extraction shooter video game would work as an adaptation
>>94728813not sure I've ever seen a well written 'fall from grace' character in fantasy, either shit just hits the fan like Arthas or they were always evil but going through the motions like Saruman.
>>94728874The thing with Arthas is that he was always a shithead, he was arrogant, impulsive, rash. His fall from grace made sense, especially with how shit his mentor was. It stemmed from his character traits.
>>94728880sure but does that mean a character goes from 'I can save these people' to 'I'm gonna murder everyone and raise them'? I think in all cases you also have the issue of the writer trying to sow the seeds in the character's personality but then scrapping it all for a watershed moment caused by some inexplicable force so that it lessens the development. Examples being Horus being stabbed with le evil dagger, frostmourne for Arthas and the warpstone in the eye for Archaon.
>>94728893Arthas purged stratholme and burned the boats before he got frostmorne, its not the catalyst of his corruption but rather essentially his reward for becoming corrupted.His character arc, his drive and pride turning into anger and isolation, happens before he gets it.
>>94728494Bleh!
>>94729072Nurgle Fleshlight
>>94726637warrior priests of Ulric do exist though they are called wolf priestseven the 6th edition Priest of Ulric models had armour
>>94729169yeah, I really don't get how anon is surprised
repeating from last thread:How about everyone posts a model from their army and their lore? Painted, WIP, whatever. Just post that shit.
>>94729189might just be confusion of the strictures presented in the 4e rulebook maybe which bans priests from using Gunpowder, crossbows and helmets
>>94729189Man, those are the ugliest norsemen ive seen.
>>94728494>Any books you've particularly enjoyed (either from the Wargame or the RPG)?The Malus darkblade series is great (deathblade doesent exist), although some parts of its lore clash with the later setting (malekiths magical secret service, khorne and khaine being very strongly suggested to be the same thing...)Wulfrik is really neat, but its a much different book to the more traditional fantasy of whfb. Wulfrik is just a miserable murderous bastard, not some fun badass viking. The thanquol books are also really fun.
>>94729200They're imperials, not norsemen
>>94729247that block of infantry cost £99 now
>>94729250I remember paying an awful lot for my metal elite infantry back then too
>>94729195You know its a big brain god when he favours concussions.>>94728605Archaon is just a shit tier villain start to finish. The concept of the Everchosen is also idiotic, especially since he's the 5th Everchosen so clearly that doesnt mean you're chosen forever and can't fail, nor is he the first one to be favoured by all gods. Archaon, even beyond his role in destroying the setting is just not a compelling villain. You can have him be a tragic character who somehow is driven by destiny to do all those poor life choices and become evil, but at some point such a story needs a Macduff character to call out their bullshit excuses and tear apart the shield of prophecy they have woven around themself, to hold them accountable for their actions and make them pay.Even in the final Gotrek and Felix book you can tell how fucking ass the End Times were because halfway through it the endless Legions of Chaos Marauders are already getting bored because Archaon Sue isn't even struggling to destroy everything by himself and every major character of the setting is busy jobbing to some other random rat or whatever. Valten was built up to be Archaons Macduff, but unfortunately complete hacks decided to crash the settibg instead. Ideally both of them killed eachother, and actual strategy and armies decided the Storm of Chaos, not suped up Marvel Incarnations or whatever trash the writers came up with.
>>94728494>TQI spent hours just reading lore blurbs in the 6th edition Rulebook as a kid. So I have fond memories of that. Also G+F was thr first actual book series my mom ever got me to read cover to cover so thats tinged in nostalgia, but I can't exactly vouch for their quality anymore these days. They are good enough for pulp fantasy, but they don't hold up in comparison.
>>94728494are there any STLs for giant trolls like pic related? need them for my snotling hordes army.
>Empire minis are on their way>still can't decide between Middenheim, Ostermark or StirlandI've been autistically going back and forth for weeks. How long did it take you to settle on a State, City or otherwise?
>>94729403Yeah plenty. Just type "Troll" into myminifactory and you'll be swamped by that type.
>>94729431I did that but cant find any that match the aesthetic im going for. I dont want elephant ears trolls. in my mind im imagining the giant as a magically enlarged snotling, thats being herded around by the snots. i want something passable as a snotling (see original pic it roughly could resemble one)
>>94729409Stir River Patrol!
>>94729467Sexy colours but building an army based off a river patrol seems weird to me
>>94729447If you want an enlarged snotling why not simply pick a snotling STL and pump up the size? Might be funny.
>>94729490i mean...maybe? More worried as its a smaller model with less detail at a larger scale it would look off.
>>94729447How about this, even with a platform for your Snotling King.
>>94729489It's a very big river.
Is this lobba built on the screaming bell platform?
>>94729409>How long did it take you to settle on a State, City or otherwise?It was the very next moment I wanted to do an Empire army.Rn funds are a bit too tight, but by the end of the year I hope to get enough minis to have Sylvanian force. 500pts would already be great.
>>94729659in fact, the very moment I decided to do Imperial Sylvanians, I began composing these banners to print (of which I'd posted a while ago)
>>94728676>>94728709TOW doesn't use true line of sight and most tables don't have L shaped walls so it isn't like he can hide
>>94729618doesn't look like it, the screaming bell kit came later that looks like balsa wood, some orc chariots and an orc stone thrower
>>94729707Kino. I was planning on doing one regiment of Sylvanian State Troops if I choose Stirland or Ostermark. That colour scheme is just too good.
>>94729716>came laterThat article is from 2004, the Screaming Bell they had in 1999 used the same wheels as the 90's rock lobba which is what I was confused about.
>>94728874I mean the members of the fellowship being affect by the rings power is a pretty good depiction, showing that power or just the potential of it can corrupt even those with good intentions for it (boromir) and those that are otherwise meek and innocent if they become too used to it (frodo)
>>94729758I thought you meant the plastic one
>>94729195>Kill wolves with crafted weapons>Technology isn't ulric's waySeems a bit contradictory, any crafted weapon is technically "technology"
>>94729815Ulric himself uses an axe blitzbeil, so he would be a bit of a hypocrite towards his followers if he didn't allow the use of weapons of some kind i think technology in this sense is more anything developed after Sigmar timebeing against all forms of human civilisation and technology is more Taal thing
>>94729730It really is great. The alternative scheme for the Drakenhof Templars, with purple instead of white-scream, is also a banger.
>>94728517So you're just retarded then, gotcha. Because every single Warhammer Fantasy novel(not TOW novels, obviously, but there's only one of those so far) was written and published before GW started any of the TM shit, and their writing quality is equivalent to or better than any pulp fantasy series you care you name.I swear 99% of people who shit on Warhammer novels(pre-HH 40K, pre-ET WHF - modern ones obviously deserve to be shat on) are just bad at reading but don't want to admit they're retarded.
>>94729861Still, a very arbitrary line to draw
>>94729889gods and religion can be incredibly arbitrary anon
>>94729867Shut up faggot, no one cares about your gay opinions. Go consoom more slop
>>94729195Do they all wear wolf pelts?If yes, every single one of them is a trained blacksmith?
>>94729909if I recall correctly it varies but most ulrican priests wear wolf belts but the weapon is from a bow the priests initiate made to a flint spear they made themselvesdoes this mean a lot of ulrican pointlessly get themselves killed trying to take down big wolves just so they can wear a ragged pelt? yes
>>94729730>I was planning on doing one regiment of Sylvanian State Troops if I choose Stirland or Ostermark.If you end up doing either of them, I say go for it, they're pretty cool. Alternatively (or additionally) you could also do a regiment of Ostermarks' Death's Heads.
Am I correct in thinking that giving a unit of 10 skirmishing chaos marauders the mark of khorne is a very bad idea? Going from 10 to 20 attacks (assuming the entire unit can form up in to one fighting rank, I'll have to review the rules for that) is insanely good, but being forced to charge whenever possible while also having 360* LOS seems like an even worse drawback than it would be on a normal unit. I'm already hesitant to paint these guys red and khornate 'cause I'll also be using them in 6th ed, where they can't have a mark, and this is making me worry. My unit of khorne warriors has only been charge baited once and it was almost entirely due to my own poor tactical decisions. Am I right to be hesitant?
>>94729264greatswords were prohibitively expensive and these cost more so yeah.
>>94729815not really. there's a philosophical tradition across the pond on the concept of the machine as discussed by chesterson, huxley, mumford, lawrence, thomas, and others. the most recent incarnation is probably mcgilcrest
>>94726348Cont. on the /Mydudes/ OC dump>famously poor shithole even among Stirlanders, other Stirlanders make fun of Stirwachter Forest Bumpkins>during one of the many famines that struck the region when grain supplies from traders dried up, the forest dwellers gained a reputation for trapping and cooking Forest Goblins>Barony is notoriously devoid of goblins and beastmen, coincidence?>countless streams and woodland rivers flowing into the Stir proper are teeming with River Trolls>obligated to cull the Troll population, the Baron keeps a retinue of Halberdiers specialized in hunting River Trolls, their uniforms are yellow-green-red striped to dazzle the Trolls vision, as they have trouble seeing those colours(they don't, its a local myth to make the Hunters feel better)
>>94729195And also, the "only wear pelts from wolves".Armor don't seem very fitting.A LOT OF PEOPLE ON 4CHAN COULD LISTEN TO THE FIRST STRICTURE, THOUGH!!!
>>94730302the stricture just means you can only wear a wolf pelt if you killed the wolf not that you can only wear wolf pelts but I'm sure someone in-universe reads it as only wear wolf pelts
>>94730330Ooooh. Shit, I'm a moron. That's like the White Lions, then.
>>94730301Map location.What knightly order would be present in western Stirland?
>>94729996I've seen some at least colloquially call them a regiment of renown. Are they available for hire by other factions in fluff or are they more like gurkhas/95th rifles, a well known regiment loyal to their faction?
>>94729195>technology are not Ulrics waySo they are luddite Grogs?
>>94730431From what I understand they're not really mercs and so would operate within the Ostermark army.
>>94730435kinda it trying to force the empire to remain in Conan the Barbarian mode rather than develop into the HRE it now is
>>94730421sigmar blood and Sacred Scythe some of the other secular order like the Knights panther might also have chapter houses in that area
>>94730525>Ohh ah oh ohh, ohhh oh ohhh ahhhh
What are some good wolf minis to use as Dire Wolves for VC? I don't mean zombie wolves, I mean just regular old wolves. I don't like the idea of zombie wolves, I prefer living but vicious black wolves like what you see in vampire movies. The Fenrisian Wolves from 40k are pretty cool but they're also like €68 for 10 wolves which honestly is a bit steep. Any recommendations welcome.
>>94730549Some Norscan still worship Ulric so yeah
>>94730551Go to Etsy and type wolf minis
what do they feed those fucking horses
>>94730619I've never bought from Etsy before and always just kind of avoided it. That said the wolf minis I see on there are pretty good, actually.
>>94730624I'm not drunk but those proportions seem off for the horseAm I wrong?
>>94730566Is Conan's god called Crom? or should I call him Khorne?
>>94730724Crom is closer to Ulric.
>>94730547Sigmars Blood looks cool.
>>94730566A rounding error of them, but yes, some do.
I think Stirland is cool
>>94730624I'm now thinking about the Horse proportions for WHFB models and what Horse breeds should each army be realistically using.It wouldn't be 1 to 1 with real life breeds, but different factions should have different looking horses, based on the horse breeds they have. e.g. the Bretonnians should have old warhorse breeds that look like Destriers, the Empire should have later warhorse breeds like Friesian horses but Norscans should have something that looks like a Fjord horse or a Steppe horse.
>>94731196diferent breeds have diferent usesdraft horses are huge and powerfull, but they are bred to pull things no to run or fight
>>94731196>but Norscans should have something that looks like a Fjord horse or a Steppe horse.The hung "canonically" ride smaller pony looking things, chaos steeds on the other hand are giant fucking things that would make a shire horse look wimpy.
>>94730301>>94730421very cool
>>94731238>The hung "canonically" ride smaller pony looking thingsthat's because IRL the mongol's horses were also smaller, each rider had 2 or 3 horses he change around to keep riding
Is the mutalith vortex beast the only thing that can turn things into chaos spawn for those who arent aligned with chaos
>>94731283>that's because IRL the mongol's horses were also smallerSure, historical horses were also just smaller than modern horses, thats half the reason chariots were a thing, horses couldnt support cavalry originally.Im just saying that anons suggestion the norse ride smaller horses has some basis/connection the the lore, with the hung and their ponies of doom.
>>94731292I faintly recall a spell from the lore of Tzeentch in 7th edition that could turn an enemy model in to a chaos spawn, but I may be misremembering. I will check the army book when I can. I know for a fact that the Indigo Fire of Change from 6th can turn enemy models in to Horrors of Tzeentch, but that's not what you're asking.
>GW re-released Free Company>people still trying to charge £40 for 8 models or even moreAre ebay sellers just stupid?
>>94731591Don't you want the GENUINE Free Company models made from cheap 2000s plastic??
>>94731591The idiots are the people who buy them, which does happen.
>>94731609People just love Free Company Militia
>>94730660Everyone thinks that, because it is true. It isn't even true scale, those horses just have tiny head and legs for days.
>>94730624AoStrannies have never seen a horse or a historically accurate suit of armor before
>>94731792Does anyone know if the AoS knights fit on the Empire Knights horses?They look usable for some conversions for characters/captains
>>94731602Anon that's what you are getting in the rerelease. It's just repackaged left overs
7 state troops (crossbowmen, archers, swordsmen, handgunners, greatswords, spearmen, and halberdiers) and 14 locations (averland, hochland, middenland, nordland, ostland, ostermark, reikland, stirland, talabecland, wissenland, altdorf, nuln, talabheim, middenheim). I'm going to assign 2 locations to each troop type to make sure they're all represented in my 4th ed army, but I am unfamiliar with the fine points of Empire lore. Are there any which wouldn't particularly want to assist eachother/be a detachment to another?Are there any locations over represented in certain troop types? (eg stirland is poorer so soldiers are often equipped with simpler weapons like bows, nuln is famous for its gunnery school)
>>94731643why even post this Mossa art it has nothing to do with the topic?it's not like it hard to find either
>>94732200Why not, its nice art of Kislevs Golden Knight.
>>94732220>Why noti was curious as well and googled "mossa art". the first hits were reddit threads about various warhammer boards banning posts with their art. guess the guy you replied to could have similar sensibilities so tries to dissuade it here
With a beastlord as my lord, how viable would my beastmen army be if I focused on bestigors, with them making up the majority of my core and flanked by ungor archers? My lore is my beastlord is a turn skin who was once an ambitious imperial general. Now spurred by spite and resentment, he now Impliments the same strict training regiment he once gave as a man, and wishes to match his savage legions against all those that abandoned him, real or imagined.
>>94732159At what point in time? During TOW it is obviously much more hostile, with intense hatred existing between Reikland and Talabecland (Reikland disapproves of the Taal loving heathens, Talabecland despises the Sigmarite fanatics) and between Westerland and Talabecland (being the original dispute for the throne). Reikland and Middenland also have continuing disputes over territory and probably some religious discord with Ulric vs Sigmar. In 8th ed though it is all a lot more settled, I think Stirland and Ostland are the worst for collaborating being both stubborn and independent.
>>94732291Bestigors are good for infantry, but theyre still infantry. A giant horde of them is rather risky and probably going to suffer badly in many situations.But a nice block + attached lord (try slug skin, helps) could do nicely.
>>94732277i am that anon I don't really give a shit about the contents of Mossa's art I just don't think artwork about Kislevite named Characters is relevant to talking about GW's release of Free Company Militia
>>94732320I mentioned it was for my 4th ed army, so I guess that's a bit after 2502 judging from the timeline in the army book. Much of the information on wiki seems to be closer to 8th ed and 4th ed roleplay, but I was trying to stick to 4th/5th ed and 1st ed roleplay.
>>94732328Ahh, than I could fluff them out as a pseudo honor guard/bodyguard. What's the the recommended number for a bestigor block?
>>94732352I dont think theres some common "this is it" number, but I would go with 24 (8*3) max imo. Maybe 18 or something. It should be enough wounds to take shooting and not fall apart instantly, but it shouldnt be some impossibly expensive number.
>>94732343given people regularly post warhammer pictures without any relevance to their text, that should be simple to parse
>>94732361>>94732352I run my Stormvermin 8 or 9 wide and they don't have the staying power of a Besti unit with Slug
>>94732352>>94732361Also at 24 models + characters
>>94732350I would guess the same as 8th but inter-elector conflict is pretty much gone during the Reikland Emperors. As for more represented units you have>Reiklandprobably more demigryph knights, flagellants, reiksguard>Stirlandcrossbowmen, knights of Morr>Hochland handgunners>Middenlandswordsmen, white wolf stuff>Nordlandspearmen>Ostermark/OstlandPistoliers/Outriders
What should a 500 points Free Company Militia List be led by, Empire Captain?
>>94732430What else can you afford lmao.At 500pts you dont really have an army as much as "whatever fits in there"
>>94732430A priest of sigmar could also fit
>>947324301/2 charactersunit of coreunit of special+raredone
>>94732220Footfag fetish bait should be kept off blue boards.
>>94732452>>94732446>>94732438How do you rate this?Too much beef on the Captain?
>>94732472the golden knight doesnt even have feet in the picture
>>94732546You want your captain able to join your units imo. You dont get much benefit from him being on horseback and youre one BT away from no general.Split the free company into two units, maybe try playing into detachments for the stand and shoot when you get charged.
>>94732665The idea was to keep a mobile general. But I suppose you are right.I do like my Company Blob tho, it sounds fun.
>>94732665He can join despite being cav, but you do lose the move 7
>>94732546Is there a reason to take state troops?Aren't they basically worse militia?
>>94730302>obey your bettersYou know it would end up as usual with everyone believing they are the best and that everyone should obey them.
>>94732769aint nothing wrong with humble Halberdeers
>>94732472Agreed. That's why we're posting guro fetishfag Mossa.
>>94732769At 500 points a 5point halberd ain't that bad
What would be in the beastmen box? I’m guessing ungors, and goes, but half their mobile kits are all fine cast.
>>94732804Inane. Obviously I'm the best.
>>94728494That's a pretty cool cover.I wonder what it really looked like in the guy's head who drew it.
When the website crashed last weekend I thought that it meant huge demand for Empire stuff.But I guess it just crashes every Saturday now?
>>94733007didn't crash in the UK
>>94732607You know perfectly well what I meant. Take your fetish slop to the aco thread.
>>94733028If any depiction of feet in art triggers you so hard, then you may have mental issues, son.
>>94732960At minimum 20 ungors, 20 or 40 gors, 10 or so centigors, maybe 15 bestigors, and maybe a chariot if it ever becomes plastic.
>>94733007Nope, iron jaws are just that big.
>>94733007I suspect people are just browsing the site, like you are obviously.
>>94733041Anon, idk about you but I wasn't looking at her feet until you mentioned it. Is there something you wanna share with us?
>>94733048>cold 1...heh. I get it!
>>94732960this, but three times the infantry
>>94733050Fuck meant to respond to >>94733028
>>94733058>30 bestigors, 30 ungors, 3 cygorThat wouldn't even work for this game
>>94733058remove the Shaman as well
>>94733082a Cygor is infantry to you?
>>94732960like 30 gors and ungors, and then maybe a ghorgon or some dragon ogres.
>>94733082replace 2 cygors and 10 bestigors with 3 minotaurs and 10 centigors
>>94733097Man I just have a dumb goat brain idfk
>>94733104Centigors are fine cast and minos come in 3
>interested in the Empire so decide to delve into real life history>read a book about the 30 years war by Peter H WilsonIt's so fascinating and bleak at the same time. It gives me new ideas for future empire armies.
>>94732291bestigor would be good infantry if they were in any other army list.otherwise gors are half the ppm and come with more special rules, and any advantages bestigors get over gors are negligible if you compare their profiles.if you can, stick your beastlord on a big block of gor and hand them one of the beastmen unique banners
>>94732472Only feet there are chicken feet.
>>94733007ever since the new one went up it has crashed on a monthly basis and some things have never worked like the preorders tab.
>>94733149Bestigors ARE good, even in beastmen, its just that gors are simply more cost efficient overall because theyre so fucking good.
>>94733149>good >infantry
How viable is a gunline in TOW?
>>94733232thats fair yea>>94733276even if they werent compulsory, gors would be worth taking, very versatile and very easy to tool a big herd into somthing really killycore is far less of a tax in the beastmen army list than it is in other armies
>>94733276You make em good with a doombull
>>9473296040 ungor, 20 bestigors, and two chariots or a cygor
>>94733276They can get three attacks each, re-rolling 1's to hit, are fast (for infantry) and get warband + horde for only 7 ppm
>>94733429chariots aren't plastic, so they can't be in the box
>>94733457I predict beastmen get a new chariot kit that can be built as a razorgor or tuskgor chariot and gorthor will be one of the special characters
>>94733497>new plastic kitLMAO
>>94728494Updated backstory for my Grail Knight OC based off Heath Ledger's character in A Knight's Tale. How is it?>Dominique de Beauharnais is the son of a family that rebelled against King Louen, turning to working with Chaos worshippers to secure power>Dominique was only 4 at the time, and was spared execution. His family's lands were given to other nobles, and Dominique was sent to squire for an old Knight of the Realm, Sir Lucien>After many years, Sir Lucien took a wound fighting beastmen. His wound is festering, and in an intermission of a joust he dies>Dominique pretends to be Sir Lucien for the joust and wins money for his man-at-arms and himself>Dominique says he is a Knight Errant, omitting his surname>Fights against beastmen, orcs, and wins several jousts, becoming a Knight of the Realm>He jousts to win the hand of a wealthy heiress>He also jousts against a Grail Knight, who many refused to joust out of fear or reverence. This earns him the Grail Knight's respect.>A rival seeking to win the heiress' hand discovers Dominique's origins and ousts him as descended from a family of traitors and Chaos worshippers>As Dominique is to be executed by the rival's supporters, the Grail Knight from before appears, with his Damsel lover. They say that Dominique's loyalty to Bretonnia is unquestionable and unfailing, and he is released>Dominique defeats his rival in a joust>But on the eve of the wedding, his rival murders the heiress, fleeing>The rival's personal items are found and he is revealed to be a Chaos worshipper>Dominique becomes a Questing Knight, swearing to bring the rival to justice>travels and does shit for a while>Sees the rival again, who is now a mutated Chaos Champion>duels him, but every wound he makes on the rival heals steadily, while his own wounds weaken him>Eventually stabs his rival in the eye, stunning him enough for Dominique to decapitate the Chaos Champion>Sees the Lady not long after, and drinks from her cup
>>94733522>an old Knight of the Realm, Sir Lucien>pretends to be Sir Lucien >says he is a Knight Errantcan he do that?
>>94733522It flowsJust be aware of timeline I guess, does he go from nobody to fucking Grail Knight in a year or does this take a decade+
>>94733630ntaIn the movie I think that scene is his helmet is too fucked up to open so no one can see his face. Then he fucks off to where no one can actually recognize himIt has been years since I've seen the movie though
>>94733641Yeah I'd say about a decade. During that time he makes many new friends, including with a man of the Empire and a dwarf. The men at arms who from when he served Sir Lucien end up dying along the journey though, and Dominique buries themhe's also a Knight Errant for about a year before that, and a Knight of the Realm for a few years after where he wins fame in jousts and warfare>>94733630He only pretends to be Lucien for the one joust, afterwards he calls himself Sir Dominique (insert fake lastname here)
>>94733522I think to become a questing knight you need to start getting visions from the Lady, not just set out to achieve something out of your own volition
What is the point of gnoblars?
>>94730301>>94730421comfy
>>94733740To accept the duel against the WoC army of infamy
>>94733740For when you're really hungry and you want to eat a 1000 of something.
>>94733740I dislike them.>>94733758Kek. My First Knight would curbstomp a shirtless Chaostranny
>>94733776Funnily, they have so little meat that ogres made them slaves because they weren't really worth eating
>>94733803I doubt they care enough in the middle a gorging to check everything they shoving in their gobs.
>>94733134A war capable of killing almost a fucking 1/3 of the affected land is just mind boggling. Like seriously unimaginable carnage, in proportion to what you see in your every day life.Also, Wallastein best boy.
>>94733134The 30 year war is unironically too grimdark for warhammer, its the sort of carnage you would imagine involves some end of the world chaos invasion.Imagine if 1/3rd of the empire was killed by Archaon, people would say its too much.
>>94733686Really? I read A Knight of Bretonnia and I don't recall that. I could always add that he got visions from the Lady of where his beloved's murderer is.
>>94733740ogre needed a sidekick halflings were too human to be abusedso gnoblars were created, exclusively so the ogres would have someone to mistreat
ATTENTION, MEN OF THE EMPIREhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeGyAasdMHc
>>94729506Maybe. its almost there appearance wise. the idea of a giant snotling with mini snots riding in top of it -is- a characterful idea though...
I understand that this is insanely autistic but HOW can some people put a miniature together and be happy while it has sprue cut axewounds and uncleaned mouldlines. I have been noticing this for a while but I just fucking lost it after receiving some used minis online. Any of (you) who dont liquid greenstuff your joints, clean your mouldlines and generally care to fit shit properly are subhuman. Do you also just stop wiping your ass after seeing the shit a little lighter on the paper? FUCK.
I'm back again with a finished unit of 20 Stormvermin to assist their dear leader. Because these rats are the elites of the army I've actually made their armour bronze instead of rusty like the clanrats were.Honestly Skaven are a lot easier to paint than most other armies to paint, probably because their armour is supposed to be shit in comparison to other, more properly trained armies. They don't punish a painter for sucking like I suck.Now I'm basically more than halfway done with the army. Just 10 more clanrats, a doomwheel, assassin, and hellpit abomination and the entire list will be more or less complete.
Going through my old white dwarfs and found this 6th ed article on dragons, who actually got emperor dragons? Was this a thing for all the dragon using races?
>>94728494>Any books you've particularly enjoyedVan horstman.Hands down my favourite chaos character. Only reason I even started an old-world chaos army.
>>94734969It’s less notice here than it is in other war games
>>94732121No, the moulding has them together rather than removable as subassemblies
>>94729489The Stir is essentially a small ocean. It's like the Amazon river x20.
>>94730301>their uniforms are yellow-green-red striped to dazzle the Trolls vision, as they have trouble seeing those colours(they don't, its a local myth to make the Hunters feel better)This is peak you dudes. Well done anon.
>>94730624>>94730660>>94731196>>94731206That's not a "horse", that's a HAMMERHOOF SIGMARSTEED©, duh.
>>94735449You keep making cool names
>>94735282Do you have the rest of that article? Also, is there like a trove of just white dwarfs?
>>94735282>who actually got emperor dragons?Cathay
>>94735456He's probably a Thynkqyeen Brandyngshyaper.
>>94735616Did you have a stroke typing that, retard?
>>94735750I am indeed a Stryokekynn :(
>>94735282"Normal" dragons came in three sizes, dragon - great - emperor back in 5th edition, I think that was phased out during 6th as the HE armybook form back then do not have that, just "dragons".
>>94735099They look good anon.Is there a quick and effective way of doing Skaven? Ive got a ton of Clanrats and Stormvermin to paint and the scale of the task is stopping me from getting them done.
>>94735432That's kind of retarded. Is this some gay WFRP lore
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>>94733811Gnoblars are also said to taste bad for ogres. Yes, plenty still get eaten on purpose and by accident, but the anon is right. Gnoblars aren't extinct solely because they're not good eating.
>>94734184NtA but yes a Knight of the Realm will take up the Quest after recieving a vision of the grail, urging them to begin searching for it. I mean, a knight can just take the oath and start questing for it even without any vision, but he will never find the grail without the prophetic dreams
>>94735891No that anon made it up because he can't into scale
>>94729909You don't need to a be a blacksmith to sharpen a stick into a spear or bind a flint into another stick to make a stone axe, retard
>>94735282>who actually got emperor dragons?Karl Franz has one.
>>94736161>it's a normal dragon, but karl franz has a similar obsession as batman with naming everything he uses "emperor-" something
>>94736169>normal dragon realizes it has Karl mothafuckin' Franz on his back and fights twice as hard to impress himBased
>>94735515>>94736161Emperor Dragons are not to be confused with Dragon Emperors. Or the Imperial Dragon. Nor even Dragon Princes.
Got Arbaal and putting him together. It is a very old mini and would like help on something basic.On his lower half is a small "lump" supposedly to fit into the gap into his upper half. When I tried to glue it, it was obvious it wasn't fitting.Should I flatten the lump and then glue Arbaal's body together or what method is best?
>>94736498Well you're going to be digging out the gap or carving down the lump until stuff fits. And you're probably going to have an easier time getting to the lump (or you have a Dremel with suitable tools), but do take a quick look inside the gap to see if there's anything specific in there getting in the way.
>>94736516Thanks anon. Arbaal's upper torso is mostly free, so guess I will grind down the lump. Since you are about may I also ask help with his flesh hound?Long and short, glued the head on first, now it is obstructing the left front leg from fitting properly.Is it easier to fill the gap with green stuff clay or getting rid of the glue on the head with an alternative liquid?
>>9472986799% $$ of the good shit was written before by people entirely associated with gw or warhammer cause they didnt even bother when "adapting it"the writing really is abysmal in most of the novelsa few good modules though
Got a painted Orcish warlord from Ebay a couple of weeks ago. Now I have a lot of night and forest goblins and an orc. Wonder if he should just be lord of gobbos or if I should grab some boys.
>>94733522you should drop the Chaos from his families background, that stain is too severe for Bretonnian Nobility.
>>94736547Dunno what's easier, might depend on your sculpting skills, but things like acetone or extra thin plastic cement could probably do a number on superglue if give some time to soak in. Alternatively toss the whole thing in the freezer, if thermal contraction doesn’t do the trick the glue should be nice and really bloody brittle once deep frozen.
>>94736498It's just a bad recast.
>>94730301Cont.>Current Baron is Benedict the Third von Holbein>unlikely heir of his father, Ignatz the Fourteenth von Holbein>descendant of Ignatz 'Daemonkill' von Holbein who was awarded the Barony for killing a Daemon with his magic elf sword during the days of Mandred Skavenslayer>magic sword is still a family heirloom altough it was lost two generations ago when Ignatz the Twelth disappeared hunting Trolls>Benedict rediscovered it in a damp troll cave only a few years ago in a sign of providence>the sword is called: Ignatzblade>Benedict married a tilean merchant princes daughter some time before inheriting the barony>Benedicts financial woes are worsened by having 8 kids in 15 years of marriage>altough the Baron of Stirwacht is technically directly beholden to the Grand Count of Stirland, in times of war the Barony falls into the military district command of the Marshall of Klam to the displeasure of the Baron>the locals of the barony are exceedingly distrustful of the Baroness Fabiona, whom they varyingly believe to be a Vampire, Elf, Witch and Bretonnian
>>94736908>Fabionawith a name like that I'm surprised they don't think she's a man
>>94736912is that tabletop simulator?
>>94736918>>94736908its a typo, she's meant to be called Fabiola
>>94736919no, but it does look uncannily digital because it's digitally sculpted and printedand I guess the non-metallic grey used instead of metal contributes
>>94735462>Do you have the rest of that article?I do>Also, is there like a trove of just white dwarfs?Yes. This is from a paper copy I had, I'll see if I can digotoze it as it's not in any digital collections of the first 250.It's the Australian one though so might be different to uk/us.>>94735857Yes I checked the date, it's June 2000 so a few months before 6th. Looking through Ravening Hordes it ses all dragons got standardised back to t6.>>94736498>>94736752I'd say it's a fairly good cast desu. I don't see much flashing or burring and the metal hasn't fatigued on the thin points
>>94735282>>94735857From 5th edition - Emperor Dragon seemingly just means "really big dragon">>94735462Not that I know of. Finding Warhammer stuff online is always a pain.White Dwarfs in particular are nowhere to be found. I subscribed one month to Warhammer Plus just to get access to their old White Dwarf library, and disappointingly, only some issues have been scanned, and only from 6th edition onwards, there's nothing old.They aren't in order either.
>>94736908>BretonnianThe worst crime imaginable.
>>94736912>the tiny hats and their golems>oops i mean the big hats haha ok no tropes here...
>>94736912Where are those models from?
>>94737010Some dude on facebook called steffensen who's been essentially resculpting the whole rangenot my style at all, but some stuff is amusing
>>94737037I don't like any of this.Rather SOULful though.
>>94737037This looks like shit.Yet I love it.
>>94737037>there is an actual point where second-hand nostalgia tripping turns sovl into something not vry sovlful at allinteresting, another unpleasant thing I wish I hadn't learnt about humanity from observing this 'community' to add to the multitude of others.
>>94737072Ironically it commits the sin of modern GW miniatures:1 - they're made for taking pictures from the front rather than being seen from the top-down on the gaming table2 - overly elaborate poses and unnecessary detailEvery little miniature has so much personality... that the whole units lack personality
>>94737072maybe it just wasnt sovl to begin with
>>94737037He did an amazing job recreating that garbage aesthetic
>>94737154>he did a good job at recreating oldhammer
>>94737116>>94737134I'm no expert but I believe the artistic term is 'kitsch'
>>94737037While I commend his efforts, I think he has missed an essential element of the oldhammer aesthetic: The restraint imposed by the constraint of needing to sculpt models by hand.
>>94737158Yes, I know what I wrote.>>94737116>2 - overly elaborate poses and unnecessary detailYou can count the "elaborate poses" on one hand with a few fingers missing. The warriors are literally copy paste monopose.
>>94737243>The restraint imposed by the constraint of needing to sculpt models by handThats not the limitation, "sculpt by hand" allows for any number of extravagant greenstuff creations.The limitation is "make it so that you can cheaply produce models from the subsequent mold".Sculpting by hand doesent actually carry many limitations, the limitation comes from wanting to use 5% less metal because that will save the company a lot of money in the long run. Without that necessary aspect of "is a corporate whore" people cant accurately recreate the oldhammer aesthetic.
>>94737318obviously theres more to it than just the commercial factor in terms of material cost, someone is also going to put more time perfecting a design when its a passion project as opposed to something the boss is pressing you to get done by the weekend because they need to send the master off to the factory. Theres a lot of factors which went into defining how oldhammer models looked which simply arent going to be found in a hobbyist looking to recreate the look.
>>94736972She had to smash a tin cup in the town square to proof she is not a Bretonnian once.
What Old World article are we going to get tomorrow?
>>94737116Your first two points are completely correct, but I think your conclusion is flawed. Models back in the day were not bereft of personality. I'd argue the exact opposite - they oozed with personality! Just look at these orcs. A unit made up of these models would have even more personality than the models do individually.
>>94736735Idk wasn't Calard d'Garamont's own brother a beastman, and his half-brother a vampire? I feel like the chaos adds a good redemption to his family name.
>>94737378model reveal of that special character which leaked
>>94737345I really want them to do a MTO of Leoncoeurs model.
>>94737116>top-down on the gaming tableYou don't see miniatures from top down unless you're table is notably short
>>94737475You're a table, Harry.
>>94737401>orks used to be £2.50 a model 20+ years ago>now you can get then for £1.31But but but muh price gouging!!!!!
>>94737378If we get one? probably that leaked bretonnian model.
>>94737514I forgot about that dude completely
>>94737500That is not the conclusion I wanted you to draw from my post, but you aren't entirely wrong. However, those orcs were metal models and are timeless. You'll find that those specific models sell for considerably more than that these days.
>>94737578korhil also got leaked
>>94737584Yea, but I doubt theyre going to do an article for just him. Hes like galrauch, something they just mention in the big "heres all the HE coming back" article.
>>94737589the fact he leaked last month does kinda suggest HE release won't be that far awayGW has already given some Empire Second Wave boxes to YouTubers to i wouldn't be surprised if that comes in a week or two
>>94737514What was the bretonnian model again?
>>94737600They were supposed to come out before empire but were delayed werent they? So yea, I figure theyre not far away at all. A couple weeks after wave 2 maybe.At this rate we should be done with the current TOW factions by summer at a very conservative estimate, so I wonder whats after that. >>94737605Duke Gastonne the dragonslayer or whatever hes called.The model isnt very exciting, hes just some dude with an axe.
>>94737605it was a foot knight armed with an axe nothing super intersting
>>94729250If it was made by victrix or Perry it would be 30$/25£ btw.
>>94737626but they don't make Hammer-Wielding barbarian Knights in full plate models, do they?
Cannons can shoot stuff out of LOS because it doesn't pick a target, just a pointLike a giant behind a woods
>>94737716A cannon needs to see the point it targets, no?
>>94737728Yeah, maybe phrased that poorlySay the woods is 6 inchesGiant is one side and the cannon picks a point it at the edge of the forest then it bounces through and hits
>>94735887Use contrasts to form the initial base coat and then highlight over them. Works an absolute charm.
>>94735887>old wip photoNot the same anon, but I have painted well over 200+ skaven clan rats, stormvermin and monks.The obvious first tip is as always batch paint, in this case I mean paint 10 at a time.Choose 1 or 2 main colors for your cloth and stick to that.For your regular rats, get a brown spray and for your stormvermins use black.After the brown spray, paint all metal and leather, then you slap a shade on that like agrax or some other brown shade.For quick skaven skin I would recommend using your lightest skintone first and then using a contrast like guilliman flesh.When all the shading is done you can start painting the cloth and do some highlighting, just do some quick highlights though,we don't need 5 different layers with a dot highlight in the end.Most of all though, you just have to tough it out.
>>94737716the faq invokes the spirit of the game when using cannonsit's against it to shoot it against targets out of los or against characters in a unit, even if technically by raw you do target a point of the table, by Rai you're expected to have an actual normal target
>>94737716>>94737728Yes, youre both right.Cannons need to see the point they target, but because of how the cannon shoots the point you target is not where you want the cannoball to land/what you are targetting.Say you cant see a dude behind a unit, normally you cant shoot him, but the cannon puts its marker 10" from the back of his base, in a bit it can shoot, the cannoball then bounces to a place the cannon cant see and hits the guy.
>>94736908Cont.>Baroness Fabiola, pictured here in her youth by the court painter of her esteemed father, has rarely hidden her dislike of the Stirwacht commoners backwardness and rustic customs, not to mention their general suspicion of the foreign Baroness and her children, aswell as her strange and ominous worship of the Gods (nothing wrong with em, they just dont like the way she does it) despite the twin tailed comet she wears around her neck more for defence than out of conviction>the few servants at Stirwacht castle are often accosted with temperamental tirades in her native tongue, which at least livens up the gloomy manor>rarely a week passes where the Baroness does not threaten the Baron with returning to her homeland in Tilea, though so far none of these threats have materialized.>though the rustic yokels of the woodland call her witch, pointing to the regular calls of a Withchunter to the Castle, the truth is that Jurgen Rheintal, Ghoul Hunter by trade, is merely an old friend of Baron Benedict whom he studied with in Wurtbad long ago and visits the Keep on occasion as he happens to be the eldest sons Godparent and acts as the Sigmarite Confessor of the family for lack of a permanently residing Priest.
>>94737889>sloppa
>>94737920Yeah unfortunately.
>>94737932Looks really good, honestly. You can tell it's AI, but it doesn't have anything outrageous, while also having good composition and colors, the cloth is also nice and, weird as it is to say, her expression is subtly emotive.Never thought I'd see the day artists were replaced by robots before laborers and clerks, yet here we are. Reality truly is stranger than fiction.
>>94738074those were slop aswell, by the way.>>94736908>>94730301But you can do some nice generations with Midjourney if you know how to stroke it.
>Drakenhof was inhabited by the von Drak, not the von Draken>Drakwald has no relation to the von Drak>von Draken are related neither to the Drakwald nor Drakenhofwha
>>94738155don't forget Castle Drachenfells as well
>>94738171They really need to settle their naming conventions.
What army would be best to play these guys?
>>94738155maybe just maybe anon, Drak means something in Imperial, maybe 'forest/wood'? So Drakenhof would mean Wooded/Forest Court, Drakwald would mean 'wooded hills' and Von Drak would mean forest dweller.
>>94738247>Drak means forest/wood>wald literally means forest/woodWoodforest
>>94738247isn't Wald forest or wood?Drak is dragon if I recall the very limited amount of German I know
>>94738264That's correct
>>94738259River Frome
>>94738264>>94738259depends on the germanic, wald or wold can mean hills
>>94738247Drak means Drake/Dragon. Drakenhof is Dragon's Court, referring to the ancient dragon grave within the cliff the castle is built on. Drakwald means Dragon Wood.
>>94738354considering the Drakwald is known for being a big forest in the setting we can presume the writer meant forest or wood meaning of the word
>>94738377Source of the map?
>>94738377slightly better version
>>94738259Most likely Dragon as a dorf influence on the language. >>94738354OOOOOOOH DU SCHÖNER WESTERWALD (eucalyptusbonbon)
>>94738474WFRP4e
>>94738474WFRP 4ed
>>94738486thanks anon seems GW moved the position of Karak Azgaraz in the newest Map they showed off for TOW moving it closer to Nuln
When the FUCK are empire models gonna be available in Australia/ NZ?
>>94738486>every province has a marked out capital town, except Stirland and Sylvania
>>94738531Karak Azgaraz was in walking distance of Ubersreik due to Vermintide fame, but I suppose TOW team messed up its location, as they often do with Dwarf Holds. The mootland layout is also wack.
>>94738533Wurtbad is just that irrelevant to the Empire as a whole
>>94738536I kinda understand why they fucked up the moot though, the 4e map does it as well just having the moot be a blob of land in the middle of nowhere looks kinda bad so they give the land that I think belongs to Stirland to the moot to make the moot look less disconnected from the everything else
>>94738533You think the average Imperial wouldn't rather forget St*rland exists?
>>94738531Is Salzenmmond and Nordland not a thing during TOW?
>>94738533In Sylvania's case, the capital on paper is Waldenhof, with de-facto capital in Drakenhof. So its capital is in a limbo of sorts, neither fully here nor there. Stirland, on the other hand, is just that poor and irrelevant, as the other anon pointed out.
>>94738577yeah the exclusion of salzenmund from the map is odd I guess due to having the Laurlorn elf logo over it on the main map meant the artists doing it didn't see the need to include Salzenmundbut politically Nordland is subsumed into Osterlund though why GW decided to make Osterlund a thing is beyond me it's not like it uses a new colour scheme or anything
>>94738581How can we make Stirland less irrelevant?
>>94738611By partitioning it between Sylvania, Averland, Talabecland and Moot. It will automatically become less shit as part of real provinces inhabited by real people.
>>94738611Isn't Stirland the "Halfling genocide" province?
>>94738637That's Averland, specifically one man in Averland. The greatest of them all.
>>94738644isn't there an order of knights that genocide halflings as well?
>>94738633>making every other province worseStirland is a containment CountyThe real answer is to make Stirland part of Bretonnia
>>94738577Idk about Salzenmond, but at least half of Nordland belongs to Westerland. And it makes sense since the Elector-Counts of Nordland are descended from Magritta; whence why they still maintain the title of "Duke of Marienburg"
>>94736912those are renders, no doubt of it
>>94738668I think they're K'Daai
>>94738684ok thats a good one
what are some non-GW sources for Snotlings?
Lads my project has been going so well but I've not been able to take any pictures, or make any new progress because I'm moving house.Show off some WiP to keep me going.
>>94738486Is this any knightly order in particular?
I don’t know what I would add in my chaos army after I’m done with it. Probably some beastmen stuff to proxy as the marauder side.
>>94738734Dark Alliance orcs and goblins maybe
>>94738818Chaos is one of those armies you can more or less grow endlessly.Think youre done? Well, one character conversion wouldnt hurt, and suddenly you have a character who needs a retinue buiilt up, maybe a second unit, maybe a monster to go with it... and so it goes.
>>94738821those wouldn't be Snotlings, they would just be tiny orcs and gobline
>>94738841I made the same suggestion in a thread 3 months ago, and it got buried by 3 other anons giving much better options than mine.But now they're nowhere to be seen, you're stuck with my shitty Dark Alliance suggestion
>>94738661That would be an act of international terrorism.
Do chaos warriors ever turn into beastmen
>>94739057I cant think of any specific example,but I'd imagine anyone outside of maybe elves and/dorfs, about anyone can become a turnskin if they got unlucky enough
>>94739057it's possible, but once you reach the rank of chaos warrior I think you're generally above the unwashed masses of mutants and savages that make the beastmen armies, you'd be a chaos warrior with bestial mutations.we think of chaos warriors as the basic bitches of their army but it's in itself a rank of great prestige already
>>94738779Reiksguard maybe
>>94738739You should have asked this a couple of days ago anon. I just finished.
>>94739057No, they turn into mutants or spawn. A chaos warrior sufficiently transformed to be a beastman (rather than the human/elf/dwarf they were before) would probably be classified as a forsaken.
>>94739220Why does this remind me of Valaya, Grungnir, and Grimnir?
>>94739241Because its a familial god pantheon? Rhya and Taal are also somewhat reminiscent of Isha and Kurnos. But yes, its possible that primitive humans adopted some general concepts from the dwarfs, although these primitive faiths would probably predate significant contact between the two people.
>>94739241It's all part of The Old One's plans; by creating the Old Gods and the Ancestor Gods, to try and fend off the looming threat of Chaos.
>>94739220I want to know what goes through the brain of a human khaine worshipper. With elves I can get it, the faith has strong historical roots and is (in the case of the naggarothi) a big part of their culture, extolling the martial virtues their society was founded on. Humans? None of that shit. Its just diet khorne, for when you want to be a persecuted murder-freak but without the promise of immortality or sick chaos gifts.
>>94738558I can't believe the province with the Haunted Hills and the Ghoul Wood and the Dark Moor and the Zombie Marches and the Hunger Wood and the Barrow Hills turned out to be infested with undead, vampires, and ghosts :(
>>94739302I think some of those places would have gotten the name AFTER the undead infestation. Note: the undead infestation/taint in sylvania predates vlad, blame van hel for that shit.
>>94739316no no. why would an imperial map change placenames for vampires anon? that doesn't make sense.
>>94739334For the same reason people stopped calling it the greenwood and called it mirkwood after it started going all evil. Once that hill is full of zombies its the zombie hill, even if it was actually the hill of flowers before the zombies.
>>94739334one drak ruleI ain't getting close to that shithole
>>94739340>greenwood and called it mirkwoodI don't give a SHIT what some third age niggamen say. This ain't the Lawd of Them Rangs.
>>94739302The truth is that Sylvania has been an awful zombie infested shithole for almost 1000 years by the time of Karl Franz, most places might have had better names once, but by then Sylvania has been so thoroughly shit for so long that any map made in recent memory has already accepted those names as fact.
>>94739345>one drak ruleKek
>>94739296Khaine does give Miracles so it might be related to that
>>94739316Vlad and van Hal (who was his student) tried to fix the problem, but failed. The thing that shat the place up was the warpstone meteor shower of, iirc, 1111. It created lots of ambient naturally occurring undead.
>>94739296Some of them are elfaboos.
>>94739690>superior elven scimitar, folded 10000 times by master smiths in naggaroth
Is orcos y goblins getting a new giant soon?
>>94739735Unlikely.
So had a look at the High Elf book and turns out Fimir are in the Sea Patrol AoI.
>>94739742What's the deal with them? Do they just flat out refuse to print certain models?
>>94739832Why would they make a new giant model? Theres already several and theyre generally well received. Its not like there was a new giant released recently either.
>>94739814any other interesting tidbits anon?
>>94739296>KhorneRipping babies in half and drinking the blood like it's coconut water, then saving the skull as a souvenir like a novelty cup>KhaineSerial murderers and professional hitmenGood examples would be the Dramatis Personae/Hired Swords from Mordheim, they're all exceptional crazy ass merc killers, but they don't bathe in blood or eat human hearts or have a collection of severed heads (probably)
>>94739841>Theres already several and theyre generally well receivedThen how come I can't buy one?
>>94739849Chracian Hunters can take White Lions as core 1 per 1000 points and have the options to take the actual Lions as units on their own (no seperate model that I know of), but can only take a normal Mage no Archmage. Merwyrm is back for Sea Patrol but I think everyone guessed that. Their little mini campaign battle is Chracian Hunters vs Beastmen.
>>94739876> Their little mini campaign battle is Chracian Hunters vs Beastmen.could you elaborate on the mini camping anon?
Why do big uns looks so whacky? They don't really fit in with the rest of the orc army
>>94736107You mom can into the scale of my dick. And by dick, I mean lore.
did they get rid of the model in the state troops (melee) kit that has his feet out? always thought that looked dumb. I strained my eyes to try to see if I could see any bare feet (yes I know, ridiculous thing to say) in the battalion box but I couldn't see it, and I can't see it on the picture of the runners (or is it called a sprue, i dont remember) that are pictured with the box on the warhammer store website.
>>94736965Sigmar bless you anon.
>>94739875Git gud.
>>94739892those ooze SOVL>>94739922>open eyes>see barefoot trooper>look at sprue>see barefoot trooper sprueAnon, you blind?
>>94740001>>94739922>always thought that looked dumb.Idk, I think that's actually pretty funny
>>94739814I dont believe you, that would be really weird if its true.
>>94739892they fit in with the orc army they were designed for 30 years ago.
>>94739887Not campaign but you know those little narrative battle things in each of the Journals, can't remember exactly but I think it's like Beastmen in the forests of Ulthuan or some shit.
>>94740001oh... well i was looking at the battalion box and i guess they put Mister Toes out in the backline where they couldn't be seen. Also why can't we pre-order the state troops melee/missile boxes individually? is that something we're going to be able to do as they roll out more empire stuff?
>no plastic Grumlock and GazbagWAR bros, we are being forgotten!!
>>94740136>no vermintide tie-in models>no Total Warham tie-in modelsWhere did GWs self awarenes go? If they got a succesful spinoff to their IP, why not comemmorate it with a product of their own?I would totally buy an Ubersreik 5 box.
>>94740154>no Total Warham tie-in modelsSo... the old named character models.Because Karl Franz can still be bought.
Do greenskins have canonically different skin tones like us humans? I can't decide on what color scheme I want to do on my orc army and I'm going nuts thinking about it, so why not have orcs in different skin colors?
>>94740209Yeah, they do. They've certainly been painted in different shades of green over the years.Black Orcs are the most noticeable example, because they're supposed to have a darker green skin compared to other Orcs.
>>94740209They are called greenskins, but you can certainly go crazy with the shades of green, from almost brown across yellow into near blues and blacks.
>>94740203But I want a Miao Ying model.
>>94740154>no Total Warham tie-in modelswhat would those even be?
>>94740234you will get her when Cathay get releasedWhen will that. be you askwhenever GW runs out of old models to sell for TOW
>>94740234Well we don't even have Cathay as an army. And we won't get it until at least 2028.
>>94740239thee's a ton of options from just the updated Lords which had really old models so were virtually reimagined to the new Kislev or Cathay stuff or characters like Elspeth Von Draken etc.
>>94740239They could have cooperated with CA to come up with a good Dwarf Unit for once!
>>94740209Yeah. Even GW paints them with different skin tones.
>>94740154>I would totally buy an Ubersreik 5 box.Same too actually
>>94740266There's even a ton of fan favourites who never got a proper miniature, like Count Noctilus.
>>94740302Maybe for the release of Vermintide 3 never ever
>>94738155>Drakwald has no relation to the von DrakThe crest for Sylvania on TOW's map says Drakvald, which is presumably a branch family of the von Draks that took over after the vampire wars. Either that or displaced nobility from Drakwald
>>94739892The ears
>>94740398no no, the Drakvald is a third different thing entirely.
>>94740398The same map put Harkon in the forest of gloom instead of either brother's home (Blood Keep or Awakening). Whoever made it was taught geography wrong, as a joke.
>>94737742>>94737758Thanks ratanons for your tips. Your minis look great and give me the inspiration to get mine done
>>94738155I thought the von Draken were an offshoot of the von Drak line though. at least that's what I heard Andy Law say
>>94740477"the awakening" isnt a real location, its just there from TWW. Luthor harkons "capital" is new bechafenBlood keep has also not been a significant vampire power for a very long time, it was sacked by the empire after its fall to vampirism. And has been (at least on paper) garissoned by imperial forces since. TWW does not do good geography.
>>94740612Basically: vampires are (for the most part) functionally nomadic within the context of time, outside of the silver pinnacle and sylvannia there havent been "stable" vampire power bases that have sutvived for long.A vampire characters base of operations shifting over the centuries isnt just fine, its the expected situation given what vampires are and their relations with the other races. Their attempts at empire building rarely work successfully.
>>94740612Neu Bechafen sounds much better, thanks for the correction. I mentioned Blood Keep because it's marked on that map, and not even as ruins. There's no reason for Walach to be a hobo innawoods.
>>94740589Andy is a retard and a notorious bullshitter, nothing he says carries any weight. There is no relation between von Draken and von Drak families, the only (indirect) descendants of von Draks are mortal von Carsteins mentioned in the RPG.
>>94739296That assumes that most people know about khorne. He wouldn't really be mentioned outside of cults or costal places which trade with norsemen. Khaine on the other hand is brother to Morr, who is one of the most important gods in the empire, so presumably most people would at least be aware of his existence. It stands to reason then that when someone has cause or personal reason to commit murder, they'd pray to the god they know accepts it.
>>94740121They usually reserve the stuff in the battalion for the second wave so people have more reason to buy the battalion
>>94740688>mortal von carsteinshow does that work, isnt the name von Carstein something Vlad bullshitted Otto von Drak with to pretend hes a legit noble and not a millenia old Monster?
>>94740669>and not even as ruinsBecause its an imperial garrison. Being a "hobo innawoods" is the natural state for most vampires (and necromancers, and most chaos lords). The ones that openly have a powerbase established are rare and usually a decade or two (at most) from some faction gearing up to dislodge them because theyre not good neighbours. These sorts of people tend to set up their lairs in hard to reach places, often sites of dark magic, where they can build up in secrecy and where they are protected from convenient large scale reprisal. This doesent mean Walach is living in a literal cave (although being a vampire this might not be out of the question) though, he likely has a tower or keep either built or taken over deep in the woods. Most other vampires are also going to live similarly (meaning remote and secretive lairs and fortresses, often yes innawoods or some other similarly secluded location), or be in hiding among the mortal population in some way, setting up secret lairs and societies while they try and manipulate people from the shadows.
>>94740703they also dont run the risk of running out of sprues for battalion boxes they sell.
>>94740589>>94740688There being no relation between the two seems a bit silly given the similarities; Them being some minor offshoot or descendant or whatever makes enough sense, even if the split would have probably happened long before the von draks were ousted by the von carsteins.
>>94740712people also like to forget that Sylvania was more often than not without a head honcho Vampire Count in charge. While you would have doubtlessly some vampires squatting in abandoned castles and dungeons all around Sylvania awaiting the time for the Dead to Rise Again, for most of its history a Vampire Count was not openly ruling it.IIRC Mannfred only very recently returns to Drakenhof before the main timeline.
>>94740710>how does that workAdoptions and marriages. Some mortal nobles became part of the house and passed the name down to their descendants. It started out as Vashanesh's pseudonym, but became a real last name.
>>94740732Yea, its usually going to be less "the dark lord Von Bloodsuckerstein rules from his dread castle at skulltop hill, the empire knows this and isnt doing much" and more "man, the old castle at skulltop hill sure is creepy, its supposed to be abandoned but recently people have seen strange figures riding out at night near there, and those who went to check dont seem to return"Meanwhile Von Bloodsuckerstein is busy doing his petty vampire stuff and NOT trying to declare open war on all of the mortals because he both has more important things to do (like amassing personal trinkets and carrying out millenia old grudges) and because he knows he would probably lose.
>>94740756Chaos has an easier time of it because Norsca and the other lands in the shadow of chaos exist, so you DO have just "castle deathskull, where lord killmaim rules" and its an accepted part of the local politics (and conveniently remote enough to not be a viable target for reprisal for most people), but even then most wandering chaos lords arent building their dread fortresses in the open in the middle of the empire, its going to be squatting in some remote ruin or location or deep innawoods with the beastmen.
>>94739814>Fimir are in the Sea Patrol AoI.Get fucked.But very interesting if true
>>94740154The only reason why Cathay were in Total War in the first place was because they were planned for The Old World but GW dropped the ball. They just really aren't great with tie-in promotions and the like.
How do you call the Duke of Change in English? Tzeentch's Major Demons?
>>94740956theyre called Lord of Change in english.
>>94740956it's lord of change esl-kun
>>94740959>>94740960That sounds mid.
>>94740956>Duke of ChangelmaoLord of Change
>>94740967The use of titles like "duke" or "marquis" or whatever is a lot less common in English. "Lord" is just the generally accepted word for basically everything below a prince
>>94740988>viscount of change
>>94740475Nordlanders are practicly norscans
Played an Empire mirror match today. An absolute blunderdome of a game. Highlights include:>cannon misfiring, rerolling into misfire, rerolling into misfire (couldn't see anything saying whether multiple engineers can hand their reroll to the same artillery piece)>a 6 man knight unit taking 5 wounds from one 10 man crossbowmen unit, and the last one dying from stand and shoot>the dead knight unit spooked a war wagon into falling back in good order to directly in front of blocking demigryphs from charging>the war wagon then failed a charge to get out of the demigryphs way>t4 the war wagon succeeds its' charge, the demis failed>on a flank, white wolf IC knights with Ulric warrior priest tie combat against outriders>a wizard getting dispelled twice while attempting to cast hammerhand in one round of combat before getting broken and run down by the outriders he was fighting>a war wagon taking 5 wounds in one volley from the same 10 man crossbowmen squad
Very early WIP on my chaos marauders. Assembling these models was a pain, but I'm glad I stuck with it and gave them flails. The arm seams are pretty rough and I put on the standard bearer's shoulder pads wrong, but it is what it is. I'm really looking forward to seeing what these guys can do when they're in a skirmishing formation. I've heard mixed things so far, so I'll just have to see for myself.
Shouldn't we be making a new thread soonish.
>>94741411It'll be fine, it's only page 8.
>>94741480might slip off before the eurpeans wake up
I'm making a new thread.
>>94741744don't forget to re-add the Alternate Models link>>94728573
>>94741752got it just in time>>94741769>>94741769>>94741769NEW THREADNEW THREAD
>>94728605Gotrek and Felix was my first taste at the lore of the setting that wasnt like, the vermintide games or whatever but it really fucked me since there's a decent amount of sex and believable motivations in it and every black library book I read afterwards everyone is some kind of weird asexual schizophrenic. The AOS novels have been pretty mid. I dont need coomer content but when your protagonist is a regular guy and they never want to fuck its fucking weird.
>>94741269As a general rule you can't reroll a die more than once.
>>94740075>>94740835Yeah I was pretty surprised myself, but I think what it is is that they wanted to bring back the fimir models because they were one of the better selling Fantasy (including AOS stuff) Forgeworld range, and they only have a certain number of allotted spaces in each army. I guess they already filled in the models they could bring back for Warriors of Chaos and Beastmen and the Sea Patrol's whole thing is binding magical aquatic creatures so this was the next one they could think of. I understand this isn't great evidence because it'll be revealed after the High Elf stuff, but the Border Princes Arcane Journal will have stuff for running a map campaign, a few AoIs (Black Orcs and Slayers off the top of my head), as well as a list for Dogs of War. The Beastmen book has a Dragon Ogre AoI and one all about shamans with the old Beast avatar thing coming back. Wood Elves get a Forest Spirit List and a Wild Hunt list focusing on cavalry. No idea what's coming out beyond this, but they're hoping to bring it all out by June (but fuck knows given how they're fucked over by GW proper all the time). I know they've written the rules for Kislev and Cathay and the team wanted to release the rules with the launch of the game (it's why they've got their own pages in the core book) but the business side said no, not sure if there are any models designed for them though or if they're even going to get a release.
