Alternative Settings Edition>Previous Thread>>94732940>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionWhat are your favourite stories or experiences from playing in alternate settings within WoD/nWoD/CofD? Dark Ages, Sorcerer's Crusade, Victorian Era, The World of Future Darkness, Requiem for Rome, Dark Eras, Victorian Lost, Mage Noir, New Wave Requiem or even your own homebrew setting—share your memorable moments, unique challenges, or how you adapted the setting's lore for your game.
>>94746359>What are your favourite stories or experiences from playing in alternate settings within WoD/nWoD/CofD?We played a zombie one shot but that's about it in terms of using AUs.
GtSE as a prohibition era gangster game was an absolute classic. Doesn't need much more to be said, it's still basically modern.Had a historical VtR with timeskips keeping the same characters. Started in the norman conquest. Most obvious conclusion was that crossbows are really fucking good weapons, especially in a VtR1e game where the most dangerous enemies were vampires.Having read WtF2e I kind of want to play a game of it in a medieval age because it seems like you could get stabbed and not die and then fuck off with people being a lot less diligent about confirming deaths than in modern settings with firearms and ease of tracking someone down.
>>94746408Reminds on CofD they did a spirit who worked as zombie plague, and they made a Mage rote for doing zombie's plague and rules trying to healing it.I always wanted to play around these hooks they gave.
>>94746423There are also rules for zombie apocalypses in Mirror Worlds but those aren't all that interesting in the long term without aditional lore fuckery.
>>94746423>>94746554Don't forget the zombie rules in that antagonist blue book.
>>94746659bruh I just mentioned them.
Take the last YouTube you watched and tie them to the last game you played.
>>94746359>TQI ran a Dark Ages chronicle once. Deetz are here: >>94619044I've always wanted to play Sorcerer's Crusade, but I don't remember if I ever got the opportunity. Other than that, I've been setting all my stories in the mid-90s for a long time now, I guess after 30 freaking years it kinda counts as a Alternative Historical Setting. Fuck.
>>94746740>harry potter x ocean 11 MAD parodyThat's just another WoD heist campaign.
>>94746740Not the Last Game I Played but there was once a story I ran where one of the players got to play with one of the "Bosses" by Becoming Caine.Sort of. You can read about it here: >>94591551>>94591567 >>94591578>>94591583 One could say one of the PCs became... (•_•)( •_•)>■-■(■_■)...Co-Caine.YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAA
>>94746740https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8a_UZaXkS4>the scourge finally starts doing their job
>>94746359As long once again I want to ST a vampire dark ages game with the 20th anniversary version. How compatible is it with the old dark ages books?
>>94748040I don't think you are going to have a hard time using older books with V20 Dark Ages.Go ahead and let your players have fun playing as 7th gens.
>>94746359I am once again asking for a PDF of Pimp: The Backhanding.
>>94748040You're entirely able to mix and match, it's essentially all on the same systemJust adjudicate shit which seems retarded yourself. Most of it got ported into V20 anyway.
>>94748073>>94748199Ok so there should be little problem if I use old supplemental werewolf gifts and discipline powers?That's kind of what I'm most interested in.Also the dark ages mages are kind of awesome I like how they work.
>>94748229>Ok so there should be little problem if I use old supplemental werewolf gifts and discipline powers?You can use them as is.
>>94748192Have you tried irc?>>94748229No, go ahead. Some of the old stuff is pretty cool.
>>94748243>Have you tried irc?I have no experience with that, so no.
>>94748239>>94748243I'm liking the vibe of dark ages it feels like it was made to give you more freedom to fuck around.
>>94748270>Lower Generation characters can make up their own unique powers>More magical bullshit.No shit, sherlock.
>>94746359>What are your favourite stories or experiences from playing in alternate settings within WoD/nWoD/CofD?We did a CofD mortals multi-stage campaign where we played as members of families throughout the ages in Tetrarchy Rome, the start of the Black Death, The Renaissance, and in modern era where the things our characters did were making changes to history (secretly assisted by a guy with a time machine who forgot his cheap stainless steel rambo knife he left in a guy he assassinated back in the BD period) that resulted in Rome never collapsing, Christianity never rising, and the two major powers of the world being the Roman Empire and the Kievan Khanate.It also resulted in a destabilization of reality, with various gods and monsters emerging into reality and our modern era characters primed to take up the mantle of the Fates if we really needed to to fix things. At the point we ended Atlantis had risen out of the sea and had expeditions crawling all over it.
>>94748478That's real cool, anon. Awesome ending game you guys acheived there!
>>94748478WTF, is that atlantis?
>>94748040there are some rule changes about how some discipline work like a nerf to celerity and less thaumaturgy bloat and some minor stuff like you don't need to roll stamina+surivial to heal in combat>>94748229>Ok so there should be little problem if I use old supplemental werewolf gifts and discipline powers?the non vampire dark age books tell you to use a vampire the dark age core book for the base rules meaning the werewolf one all but update itself for the next edition automaticallythe only possible problem in a crossover would be that bonus actions are king so combat build vampires are weaker than the older other books assume
WoD/CofDbros... why is our thread so dead?
>>94749222Rampant shitposting and trolling. Whatcha wanna talk about anon? I'm watching the first good snow I've seen in a few years with a mug of tea. Could use a good chat.
>>94749222It's not.The board just isn't very active right now
For those of you who have read the ST Vault book Secrets Of Unlife (the one with revised merits and flaws): what's your opinion? Good? Shit?
>>94749222>Dem TripsWell, the schreknet thread picked up some steam these last two days, and writing stuff in character takes like, three times longer than writing on the General. >>94749234Watchuwatchin?>>94749252Lots of people are out of their holiday breaks now, so they're gonna be less active, too.
>>94749222I just has a whole lot of nothing to talk about.
Shadow Lords rule, Silver Fangs drool.
>>94749475Why do people like either of those again?
>>94746740>Last youtube I watched is a VtM gameI guess I know what's going on with Vancouver Island?My game is set in New England so I don't really think that's going to be a problem.
>>94749501Furry lasombra and furry ventrue.
>>94749501>Shadow LordsEdgelords (Me)>Silver FangsI have never seen anyone claim them as their favorite Tribe. I’m convinced nobody ACTUALLY likes them.
>>94746740https://youtu.be/QqQtV7wHSV0?si=gTPrsUuvXcKFzyyLWhat splat would have the most interesting time in a Cruise?
>>94749539>Furry lasombra and furry ventrue.Yeah but there needs to be more to them. Sure the powers are neat but... none of them quite click together.
>>94746740>watched in full - brief biography of Lucius Cornelius SullaIt's shortly after Fall of Carthage, there's ample opportunity to plunder the ruins and much need to defend Rome against enemies both foreign and domestic.>watched partially - gameplay showcase from Beyond CitadelOh boy, where would I even begin with this one?
>>94749555The last game was a mortal one with lovecraftian exploration. I think we would lose the ship in a strange stygian storm sending us to the whatever the primordial undersea was called.
>>94749631>Oh boy, where would I even begin with this one?No idea, what is it about?
>>94749555A demon turning the crew and passengers into their cultists, probably a Defiler.A fairy acting as entertainment on stage.A hunter trying to get at one of the above.
>>94749706>A fairy acting as entertainment on stage.>A hunter trying to get at one of the above.The Fairy is just stipping for the elderly and then comes some random asshole trying to murder them. the fuck they do to justify that?
>>9474966799.9999% of mankind is dead, earth's orbit stands still, and masochistic brocon with gorilla strength wearing little more than leather belt guns her way through the rest so she can ascend to godhood with her beloved.
>>94749737Give me a second to get into the right mind set.
>And the third maejlin sounded, and there fell a great bane from the umbra, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;>And the name of the bane is called Whippoorwill: and the third part of the waters became scabs; and many gaoru died of the waters, because they were made fomori.
>The Glass Walkers are 3D-printing Klaives
>>94750034Kinda based.
>>94750034>Majority of talens could be partially automated thanks to 3d printing.>Only step you couldn't automate is the spirit binding.>Who cares though, its just gafflings.>Doesn't even have to be gaoru doing it, kinfolk with gnosis exist.>Doesn't even have to have gnosis, there's rites for that.Glass Walkers are onto something.
Would the Golden Gate Bridge appear as something beautiful to Garou in the Umbra or something bad? I'm writing some lore to my game taking place in San Francisco and I was wondering because I don't know how monuments like this appear to the Garouhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjhX7Wrbqps
>>94750234To the Garou, it'd probably look like an embodiment of the weaver in the umbra. Maybe the cables would look like webs ensnaring creatures into civilization.Fairies would probably see it as a font of inspiration, though.
>>94750234Both really. How they'd perceive it is equal parts wonder and apprehension. It's like swimming alongside a great white shark: here's this majestic creature which could just fucking kill you on a whim. Respect it properly, and you can coexist somewhat, but it will always be a threat and you are never 'safe'.On the one hand, it's this great monument to the Weaver full of spiritual weight and gravitas. It serves as home for enough pragmatic, survivalist creatures (goes without saying that urban spirits would latch on too), that bargains can be struck and gifts can be learned. If you've got Wisdom renown, here's the place to cash it in.On the other... here's this great monument to the Weaver, half the reason everything went to hell, rival of the Wyld (who is completely apathetic and checked out eons ago), and rightfully mistrusted. Only the Red Talons would be viscerally disgusted by it, but more Wyld focused tribes like the Black Furies would be uneasy. Even Glass Walkers would be mindful of its spiritual landscape. It's dangerous, everything that it represents is an existential risk to the gaoru, not to mention it's of the weaver - of the spiders and the technocracy - these are not your friends. When someone's spirit ridden by weaver spirits, they're called 'drones' by gaoru.If you meant literally... I always pictured the Weaver spirits and monuments to have a thing for concentric geometric shapes and tessellation. Its umbra location would probably smell 'sterile' to gaoru. Something you might care about even if it's a tangent: Spirals and fractals are more of a Wyrm thing, and blighted parts of cities which contain a lot of human misery bring that out. When Wyrm gets a full grip on an area, goaru call those places 'scabs' for a reason - looks and smells like an open, infected wound. WtA goes full splatterpunk (messy social commentary and all) the moment you get balls deep in Wyrm taint, so keep that in mind too.
>>94750034>klaivesthe impergium is over grandpa, we're killing each other with as-115s now.
>>94750034Can you 3D print pure silver?Would a spirit like to inhabit such a manufactured object?
>>94750726silver melts at 962°C, steel at around 1370°C, so in theory you could (with a purpose-made printer)
For DtD, Covers cease to exist when not in use. But what if you Angeljack and then change your cover? The Angel cover is the holy grail of covers since it's still hooked up to the God Machine, does that make it exempt from blipping out of reality when not in use?
>>94750841Steel warps at 700 degrees C, no way that's working
>>94751018Tungsten or better alloys. How tf do you think we have entire pipes and bowls and deposits of molten metal in factories dude, do you think it all melts in 3 days? No, its heat treated and better to withstand those temperatures. We couldn't do the whole cauldrons of smelting materials if the bowls smelted with them too dude, think for 5 seconds. A smart woof with some money and guts to build a silver printer wouln't be using gallium for it.
>>94750272I'd imagine, with all the cars that cross it daily, there'd be a more warmish twist to it. The metal rusts and warps as it reaches impossibly into the sky. The light constantly emitted from it is eerie and doesn't leave your vision for a long time after looking away. The cables are webbing, yes, but the spaces in between leak smog and the thing constantly oozes sludge which drips into the water below.
>>94751018At least one F1 team has access to a 3d printer that does titanium.It can be done. It's just fucking expensive.
>>94750497>as-115sYou asR 115? An as-115s is a fucking wrestling costume.
>>94749542>I’m convinced nobody ACTUALLY likes them.That's the point, everyone is supposed to hate and envy them.
>>94749735>the fuck they do to justify that?Mothing, hunters are ifiots that kill monsters because totally-not-evil-we-promise voices in their head tell them too.On an unrelated note, becoming an imbued hunter completely destroys your ability to awaken or use numina, meaning it murder humanity's divine potential And prevents them using their own ancestral magic to protect themselves. The messagers are "totally" on humanity's side by the way.
>>94751933>On an unrelated note, becoming an imbued hunter completely destroys your ability to awaken or use numina, meaning it murder humanity's divine potentialImbued can't use magic. Ignore that the avenger just summoned a flaming sword, that the innocent was able to turn light into a weapon, that the judge just locked a vampire in place for hours by looking at him, that the martyr can turn monsters into something more human, or that a redeemer can make a supernatural creatures want to an hero. None of these things are magic and are definitely not divine. The messengers don't show up and weaponize humanity's divine potential in specific ways. They just murder it.
>>94749735Changelings are disgusting emotional leeches who feed off the emotions of the people around them. They're just as exploitative and evil as vampires.
>>94752072>The messengers don't show up and weaponize humanity's divine potential in specific ways. They just murder it.Right, because those are absolutely equal trades for giving up awakening and numina. Summoning Gods or Copy the powers of any supernatural are nothing next to being able +2 dice of damage that also destroys your weapon.Hellfire burning blade ritual? Never heard of it. There's also no way it's better in every way than the hunter equivalent, thst would make hunters depressingly pathetic.
>>94751858>An as-115s is a fucking wrestling costume.You mean you don't perform your sept challenges dressed like a WWE champion? What kind of boring caern do you keep? You're practically Trying to be tainted the weaver!
>>94750497Isn't that an airsoft gun?
>>94750497>Modern garou don't just slice the bullets before they reach you.Cubs these days are fucking pansies! Back in my day...[rants incoherently for several hous, occasionally punctuated by"...And we were Thankful!"]
>>94752541>>94751858I'm not crazy!
>>94752608Sorry, the airsoft gun is the FE-115s.My bad.
>>94752608(forgot to mention, this is from Book of the Weaver)
>>94752608>>94752626>Armalitehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehukpdse8_w
>>94752608Oh, this is the bullshit gun that can nuke supernaturals with full Auto right?
>>94752072>Imbued can't use magic.Anon didn't say that. He said hunters can't use Numina, which is from the HtR: spellbound book.Comparic hunter magic to just human numina magic is like comparing a revolver to a phaser from star-treck.
>>94752631You tell me, my players have never really shot anything before.
>>94752608>Bullpup>Caseless ammunition>Electronic ignition>98% plasticThis thing needs Magick to cycle without malfunctioning.
>>94752626>Book of the WeaverI love and hate this book. I love the tech ideas, but hate how badly they mislabel shit. They don't bother differentiating whether the technocratic wonders are devices, gadgets, matrixes, etc, and just labels everything "device" even when it wouldn't have an arete score.
>>94752707That paradox backlash is going to be fucking Nasty too. The user is going to be missing half their fucking face...
>>94752679Okay so with a 20% hit chance at full auto at full auto meaning if a full magazine is expended that's roughly 8x5 or fucking incoming 40 damage of lethal.Okay to put this into perspective a nuke only deals 20 damage (aggravated though)This gun damage wise has more dice than a nuke.
>>94752748It was written for werewolf players where none of that would be relevant.
>>94752810>>94752679Wait sorry, I'm wrong. It's a 30% chance I forgot 8 to 10 is three dice. So that's 7.5 that we'll generously round to 8x7. That's fucking 56 dice. What the fuck is this gun.
>>94752810>a nuke only deals 20 damageIt does a Minimum of 10 Unsoakable, Undodgable, Unblockable levels of damage(Gadget 10, fallen tower las vegas). A nuke doesn't do "dice" of damage, it subtracts damage from health levels with no opposition.That AS-115 doesn't even compare.
Where's the best place to find games to join online?
>>94752857There's different nuke stats from what I remember. That one at least sounds more reasonable as a nuke though there are creatures that have more than ten health levels from what I remember.
>>94752857This means that methuselah Tzimisce in dragon form can tank a nuke. Nothing personal, techbois.
>>94752679>>94752793>>94752810>>94752857The chart states that the AS-115 fires the same calibre of ammunition as the M1/M2/M3 Carbines, but caseless.But as stated here >>94752707, there's a reason a gun like this does not exist IRL.This gun collects potential malfunctions better than Ash Ketchum collects Pokémon or Tottenham collects shameful title race eliminations, and that is probably the only good thing that can be said about it. It's like Captain Planet, but by it's 'powers' combined, this gun's shortcomings synergise to create a unique catastrophic malfunction that can only be achieved by the AS-115.It spells DEATH, but not for the proverbial Me.Caseless ammunition never became a thing because it's a malfunction magnet. The ammo needs to be manufactured with precision, stored, and transported in perfect conditions. Otherwise, it deforms or chemically degrades. Guns firing caseless ammo are also prone to overheating since there's no brass to eject and dissipate heat. Hold this thought, it will become relevant in a second.Enter the bullpup design: sure, caseless ammo means no brass ejecting into your face like most bullpups do, but reloading still requires a yoga class, like most bullpups do.Then we have the pièce de résistance: 98% plastic construction and a battery-powered electronic ignition system. The caseless ammo causes the gun yo overheat, the plastic warps, gases vent improperly, and the gun overheats even more. The battery gets affected, potentially explodes, and takes the ammo with it.It's a symphony of bad ideas and technological dead-ends. Ironically, adding another useless tech gimmick—like software updates, voice-activated safety, or a biometric trigger—might make the gun less dangerous to its user by rendering it completely inoperable.In short, the AS-115 makes failure an art form.Pic related.Source of the GIF is Scott from Kentucky Ballistics. He got hurt but survived.Pls No Ban.
>>94752870>>94752902>there are creatures that have more than ten health levels from what I remember.>This means that methuselah Tzimisce in dragon form can tank a nuke. Nothing personal, techbois.>>94752857>Minimum>MINIMUMAnons...
>>94752949Well I don't have the stats so idk the range of damage.
I'm making a Bonisagus Hermetic character for MtAs. Trying to figure out my starting Spheres. Is Forces 2/Prime 2/Mind 1/Spirit 1 a good starting spread?
>>94752955The text is in the MtA book "Fallen Tower Las Vegas". The book literally says that you shouldn't stat the bomb and should just kill everyone in it's blast radius, but if players demand a system for it, the above number is the Minimum it should do.
>>94752857>It does a Minimum of 10 Unsoakable...Doesn't the direct fist of capital-G-God only do 5 agg max?(ToJ: Gehenna)Holy fucking dice-buckets batman, Humanity is crazy.
>>94752961Functional? Yes. Good? Ehhh. There are much better options depending on what you're going for.
>>94752964>just kill everyone in the blast rangeHoly based. Okay see that's what i come to expect of WoD.>>94752977>you can survive a hit from God if you're healthyWhat.You're telling Cracky the Crackhead thinblood can survive God punching him? That's fucking STUPID.
>>94752961Any combination of Prime/Forces could work, I could suggest matter or time as supporting spheres instead
>>94752943>Bolt shredded his throat, had to stick his thumb in the wound to avoid bleeding to death.If this man told me killed a gaoru in hand to hand completely unarmed, I will fully believe him.>That essay.Saved.Although that's exactly the kind of useless bullshit I expect weaver drones to come up with if not properly focused on tangible, immediate concerns.
>>94753004>>94753021I'm pretty set on having Spirit... What if I take Matter instead of Mind? Also forgot to mention, but Affinity Sphere is Forces.
Silly but dumbass hermetic girl with a specialization in the minor sphere fire who hangs out with Virtual Adepts who treat her like their lame nerdy friend who does everything by the book.
>>94753006>You're telling Cracky the Crackhead thinblood can survive God punching him?Yes. The fucker had to add daylight to his roll to dramatically kill the Antes at the end of the "Nightshade" storyline. He only does 5 Dice of damage.
>>94753311No wonder he fucked off from the setting. He fucking sucks. That's LAME. God should be like Caine and nuke motherfuckers.
>>94753239Spirit 1 in not good, you need spirit 2 to do anything cool. Mind 1 is fucking awesome though.
>>94753319He also canonically needed the amgels to do all the work for him as far as building creation according to DtF. Angels also canonically don't have talent/skill/knowledge scores because those are a Human invention. So God Himself might be stuck rolling attribute dice only(wity accompanied higher difficulty for lack of training rules) for literally everything.
>>94753351Hopefully he at least has a ten in all spheres because that would at least be enough to give the big G Status
>>94753273That's kind of my character.I'm playing a "booksmart, street retard" sheltered hermetic girl who does everything by the book and constantly tries to reel in a party of chaotic fuckers.Basically Hermione, but instead of saving a wizardry school my party breaks the rules to do heists and petty revenge.
>>94753351>Alright God, we're using modern rules, roll Dexterity and Firearms to launch the ball of holy fire>Firearm? Like a literal arm of fire? I could probably do that...
>>94753367Create universe is only sphere 9, and he couldn't do it on his own...
If you had one premade VtM story that you'd recommend people give it a try, which story that'd be?
>>94753388Alien Hunger, duh. It's like the best shit to start with.
>>94746359I did play in a homebrew V20 Dark Ages setting. It was durning the Iron Age where Alexander the Great had just died and our characters were working for the Ptolemy dynasty to drive out the Setites from Alexandria
>>94753334I could do two of the following:>Forces 2/Prime 2/Matter 1/Mind 1; Spirit can be learned in play.>Forces 2/Prime 1/Matter 1/Mind 1/Spirit 1; but I fear starting off too weak.I ultimately envision to eventually have at least a bit of all Spheres, with Entropy and Time as the least priority. As a Bonisagus, it would make sense for the character to be a jack-of-all-trades.
>>94753414But what about his Baali mother and her sire, Cybele who prenteds to be Malkavian methuselah?
>>94753415I'd reccomend the first one. I'd also reccomend the MtA book "The Spirit Ways" if you're really big on taking spirit. For the cost of a 6 point merit and dots in the totem background, you can get most of the benefits of the spirit sphere up to level 4 on a starting character.
>>94753442lmao that makes sense, my GM focused more on the Ptolemy dynasty and the fact they were all Ventrue and each pharaoh were the same couple coming back to life after faking their own deaths (this was also done to explain the super incest they did irl)
>>94753480>retcons the generations of purebreedCringe.
Rate my Akashic concept>American dude obsessed with wuxia kung fu movies>Studied bullshitdo with notCount Dante as a kid>Saved enough money from his part time job at a chinese restaurant (and learned the language badly from getting berated by his boss) to get a one way ticket to China>Convinced a martial arts master to accept him among his students>They literally train him wrong as a joke>Beat him up on the daily, take turns kicking his balls to "increase his pain tolerance", have him pick grains of rice one by one with his mouth, etc>He takes the abuse because he genuinely believes this is making him a better fighter>One day his shifu takes him to a dangerous mountain and abandons him hoping he'd die, the joke got old and his sick of him>Being exposed to the elements, in danger and alone awakens him>He deduces this was the goal all along and is determined to return to his shifu to thank him and continue his training>After he arrives expecting an emotive reunion, his shifu is like "nah we did train you wrong as a joke and I'm quite surprised you didn't die... anyway now the other students are going to have to beat you to death.">An Akashic master arrives just in time to save him and take him away for proper training>Sadly a lot of the bad lessons are so ingrained on him he's essentially stuck as a masochist mage - his foci are pain and insults>Probably gonna give him drunken fist moves, but unlike a proper drunken fist master he genuinely hurts himself in the process
>>94753414>>94753480Pretty cool conceit honestly. The Ptolemy dynasty was wild and the Ventrue of Egypt tend to get overlooked a lot of the time. Besides which, Setites are at their best when they're being used as evil snake cultist antagonists.
>tfw lupus kinfolk turned into a kami and called me retarded
>>94753638>Garou upon reviewing the War of Rage and the Impergium >Garou upon watching Pentex shit out ten more shell companies after they killed the ceo of the previous subsidiary >Garou after fucking up the Wyrm only to realize the Weaver is right at their neck and caught them in its Insidious web
>>94752857>>94752964>meanwhile in a cluttered garage in a suburb far away an Etherite was busy cooking up some antimatter particlesInteresting when you compare it the two. Antimatter obviously can't compete with the ''LOL YOU DIE!'' nuke, but it definitely mogs the 10 dmg nuke.
>>94753699>Antimatter obviously can't compete with the ''LOL YOU DIE!'' nuke, but it definitely mogs the 10 dmg nuke.They're the same nuke anon. The 10 damage MINIMUM is the book telling players to fuck off, their special character dies.
Ground zero or even the immediate blast radius of a nuke is relatively pretty big but in what universe are you practically dropping nukes on a single dude sized entity? They just seem impractical to use, especially if the entity is anywhere other than the middle of nowhere. And if you are in the middle of nowhere, how do you reliably get the guy in the blast radius?
>>94753673Lupines are of their mother the wyld, and do her work.
>>94753733Teleport the nuke on top of him?
>>94753447How about Correspondance? At which dot level is it good?
>>947537552
>>94753755Dot 1 is actually pretty great. It gives you 360 degree vision unaffected by anything that could possibly obscure site. I also believe it removes the requirement to spend successes on spell range(or is the Correspondence 2?)
>>94753736>Lupines are of their mother the wyld> the wyld>THE WYLDAnon, the garou couldn't be more wyrm-coded if they danced the spiral. The BSD actually have to chill out on some things because the garou way of doing things is too destructive even for Them, destroying the world requires your operation be self sustainable long-term.
>>94753805I have a fan theory that the Garou are actually a Wyrmish breed, they're basically his greatest soldiers.
>>94753805They're entirely wyldspawn, I'm afraidThe great cosmic fuckup speaks through her children. The wyld created out of balance, and drove the weaver mad. The only connection that the garou have to the wyrm is that they can die, and even that they subvert. Ancestor worship is blasphemy against the triat, it's a betrayal of the wyrm.Making new things when others die has always been what the wyld did. Genocide is an affront to the weaver, but not anymore an act of the wyrm than the mere deaths of those killed would be if it was done after they already had descendants to carry on. The wyrm doesn't eat the metaclassifications that order being, it consumes the being itself.
>>94746359TQ I’ve always wanted to run a game in the setting of the book double dead, where a vampire wakes up in what is essentially the walking dead, the zombies do not have any usable blood
>>94753863Anon, what kind of drugs are you on and how do I get some?
>>94753447>For the cost of a 6 point merit and dots in the totem background, you can get most of the benefits of the spirit sphere up to level 4 on a starting character.I'm sorry, but could you elaborate?
>>94753940You have to travel backwards in time and bum them from the same dealer that gave them to the werewolf authorI'm using them as quints for my practice of entites
Werewolf lore is wrong, woofs are mega retarded, its all written like shit to appease to a very select group of eco warrior doomers and its arguably the least interesting and leas actually fun part of WoD.
>>94751933No no the Hunters are the for real good guys, the Messengers are angels l(Lucifer)
>>94753973>its arguably the least interesting and leas actually fun part of WoD.Bastet catgirls have stolen your grist, your arguement is invalid.
>>94754092>LuciferDon't put HtR's bullshit on him. The messenger's stole Lucy's fantastic Inquisitor recipe and managed to fuck it up.Lucifer brand "hunters" didn't lose their marbles unless they pissed him off, could still use numina or awaken, and had a kill-switch if they tried to betray him for demonic power.
>>94753973t. kinfolk out of their latest rape showerBetter hope the wolves don't catch you talking shit about them on 4chan, I think they consider this place to be "of the wyrm"
>>94753973What makes WtA lore fun is that the bad guys are in the right but you're still not sure if you want to join themIt's a tale as old as time, "write gnostics as the bad guys but then 'actual (internet) gnostics' make some of the lore because trendy internet gnostics have huge cultural sway in nerd spaces and they write absolute circles around the original never-thought-out idea"
Do you think Garou bother getting married? On one hand, they're ultra-ritualistic, plus just like in gangster movies, the enemy crashing the party would make an awesome chronicle. On the other, Garou know they're not going to be around very long, and tying yourself down means that you can't sow your seed as easily. Also, marriage at least implies a level of equality between you and your spouse, a thing that's going to be hard for a Garou to really accept. Do Garou women take their husband's name?
>>94749222People don't respond to my questions. Specifically mine.
>>94754348Isn't Mage the more gnosticially inclined?
>>94754387Most of us only play a handful of gamelines. I couldn't answer a question about Mage even if I wanted to, and since I do not like what it has going on, I don't want to. I imagine most posters are like that for a lot of the games or even whole "versions" of the setting like the oWoD/nWoD split, so it limits the response pool even further.
>>94754392Yes, but most anons have no idea what the fuck they're talking about when they type the word "Gnostic"
>>94754385>Do you think Garou bother getting married?Like everything: Depends on tribe and Sept.Some tribes don't even understand marriage as a concept(See: Red Talons), while others are basically humans+(See: Glass Walkers). Everyone else will fall somewhere in-between, but there are probably some BSD hives that marry specifically so that they can NTR their spouse.
>>94754392MtAw is literally gnosticMtAs is authentically historically gnostic in that it's a bunch of retards lying to each other about true deep knowledge to maintain control of their cult while never actually accomplishing anything but it's basically like 0% actually gnostic in belief system in the current ruleset.>>94754387Ask better questions then>>94754385At the time WtA was written wolves were thought to be monogamous, so yes, they do.>Do Garou women take their husband's name?I very much doubt it, but don't they have dog names they use in woof society, anyway? Legally, most garou are probably house wives/husbands since they're not productive members of society.
>>94753805>>94753824>>94753863They're children of GAIA, what do you fucks not get? They have aspects of all of the triat, just like their mother. Jesus fuck, read.
>>94754522>LegallyLegally, most garou are non-entities. They own everything in they're mamas name.
>>94754574Everyone is a child of gaia you fuckfaceWoofs are clearly not fighting for balance, they're partisans in the 3 way fight fighting on behalf of an instigating side against the side that was specifically screwed over by other of the others
>>94753973I mean sure. What people like to ignore is that you choose what is real and isn't real in your WoD games. I wouldn't call Werewolf: the Apocalypse the LEAST interesting/fun game, as much as I find its flavor of environmentalism to be smoothbrained and that it generally fails to deliver on most things I would want from a game called "Werewolf", there are some fun things I want to keep. Mostly in their antagonists. If you want, you can make the Garou completely dead wrong about everything. You can completely write them out of the setting. Maybe they are Ennoia's bastards after all. Maybe they're a big question mark. Maybe you want Forsaken to be canon instead. Maybe Werewolves don't exist at all. It's your call. My table's WoD would probably give your typical oneWoD advocate an aneurysm. That's cool. Different strokes for different folks.
>>94753973>woofs are mega retardedThat's the point and it's okay if you don't like it, but some other people enjoy how charmingly self-sabotaging and stupid the Garou are. Nothing's stopping you from just having werewolves as monstrous lupines that vampires are scared of with none of WTA's lore, after all. No one's forcing you to interconnect everything, you don't have to enjoy every part of WOD, just like I don't give a fuck about VTM and have no urge to include the Camarilla or Sabbat in my WTA games.
>>94754801Pentex really is one of WoD's most beloved factions isn't it? Just the world's most comedically evil corporation with third rate products, more pollution than piss in a public swimming pool and all sorts of freaks and wackos they just pull out of a hat.
>>94754852>he likes WtA but not VtMEveryone, laugh at this man's shit taste.
WtA lore works perfectly because it paints garou as antagonists that absolutely can never be reasoned with or trusted for any amount of time
>>94754872I'm laughing at yours
>>94754873Eh Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers aren't too bad
>>94754883They're literal weaver servants
>>94754909So are vampires and the Technocracy Hell, the Hermetic Order of Hermes is filled with them
Oh look, it's yet another person walking in with their "Werewolf the Apocalypse is retarded" opinion as though it's an original and enlightened thought.
>>94754602Newsflash, the Wyrm and Weaver are winning. Just look outside. What, are Garou supposed to make sure to drop circuit boards in the middle of the Forest to make sure every part is equally balanced?
>>94754964No no no keep going Anon, I like where you're going with this.
>>94754522>At the time WtA was written wolves were thought to be monogamous, so yes, they do.I've seen the opposite problems where people seem to assume wolf packs are some sort of harem.
>>94754999Wolves are gay, monogamous, straight, poly, depending on who the fuck paid for the research and who's paying for the research to be divulged. It's like you people never watched Thank You For Smoking.
>>94754909And that's bad because...?
>>94754964>Newsflash, the Wyrm and Weaver are winning.No they aren't. The wyld has been out of control since the start, the balance isn't even close to being maintained.If the wyrm was winning, there would be less living things tomorrow than there are today. But there will be more. The wyld is, and continues to be, out of control; that the garou fight for it is just them being it's minions.Likewise, even humans continue to create new ideas. Things are being made faster than the weaver can lock them into context. The weaver is winning against the wyrm, and more is being invented than is being lost to time, but it's not clear in any sense that it's ever going to catch the wyld.>>94754917Vampires are wyrmish. They have basically no way of interacting with something without changing it to a corrupt form.>and the TechnocracyAre you pretending that technocracy are objectively good guys, and not just less evil than some other mages?If your claim is that vampires and technomancers could get along with glass walkers, well, maybe the former for high-humanity camarilla but technomancers clearly have a problem with them.>>94754999People assume all sorts of retarded shit in general, but the impression I got from the kinfolk stuff is that they (the author) expected garou to be monogamous by nature and they never seem to really address the idea of just breeding 30 different shewolves.>>94755024Not how it works.People just study wolves badly and fuck up the studies then publish retractions but the popular consciousness only catches the first part of the media headline on the initial release.Go back to tumblr anyway.
>>94755037Because they're in denial about it and will lash out if you ever confront them with the idea
>>94754862Yeah, they're just fun. I'm usually not big on the gonzo end of WoD but they're charming. They do mad science, make beer that compels you to beat your wife, and generally work as an avatar of things wrong with big business. For me anyway, there's a threshold where something is so edgy or over the top where it goes from eye-rolling to wonderful. Pentex reaches that threshold. I tone down their scope decently, since Werewolf stuff is pretty far down on the importance list at my table, but they're too fun not to use. Wyrm stuff in general is fun, so is the Weaver.
>>94755044>CheckedCorrections and revisions the openings used to shift narratives.Go back to school anyway.
>>94753589I mean I get their Chinese but murdering someone because a joke got old seems a little excessive ever for a Chinese martial artist.
>>94755133It's an insult to their school and a threat to it's foundations if deliberately training someone wrong produces better results than actually following their honorable technique.But yes, it's pretty silly.>>94755115Sure is a lot of asshurt for someone who knows nothing about academia
>>94755186You're the one talking about Academia here.You're clearly ass hurt for someone that didn't fucking watch the movie it's being referenced. Which is a really good movie and you should watch it because it's really good and not because someone brought it up on an online discussion, btw. I'm not the boss of you (if I were I'd have fired you already lol) but do watch the movie if you have time, it's Good Stuff.
>>94755200>shitter shattered that he was told he was wrong on principles>crying that other people aren't watching his slop>>>/tv/
>>94755208>Doesn't even know what he's talking about>Thinks he has any moral high ground to tell anyone where to go or what to doHow's that welfare line going for you, faggot?
>>94755218You still need to go back to tumblr, little retard
>>94755227Can't go back to a place I've never been to, but you do need to move out of your parent's home.And take that big-ass projector with you on the way out lol if you're not gonna use it to watch some cool shit you might as well shove it up your shithole :^)
>>94755044I always took issue them being pure Wyrmish because they have very weaverish traits>vitae keeps vampires and ghouls stuck as the very day they were embraced/ghouled>literally cannot change hair or get tattoos as they'll revert to their appearance from the previous night and require vampiric magic to alter this>topor allows for a vampire to theoretically exist in a deathly slumber indefinitely >elder Vampires are known to fear newer technologies like telephones and computers>camarilla as an organization is literally about maintaining status quo for five hundred years while anarchs are demonizedVampires being considered mostly the domain of the Wyrm neglects those facets as well.Also not that but more that being strictly Gaian, Weaverish, or Wyrmish misses the entire point of why the triat got corrupted.
>>94755276Almost everything is a mix, or it literally wouldn't exist in most cases. But vampires are more wyrmish than they are weaverish imo>vitae keeps vampires and ghouls stuck as the very day they were embraced/ghouledBut it changes them as people, and it itself isn't stable. Even ghouls burn through vitae, and the taste of the vitae corrupts them. Vampires are on a constant march towards torpor and death, and they can only suspend it by stealing life from others.>topor allows for a vampire to theoretically exist in a deathly slumber indefinitely Torpor is never permanent and always ends by itself.>elder Vampires are known to fear newer technologies like telephones and computersHow is this supposed to be weaverish?>camarilla as an organization is literally about maintaining status quo for five hundred yearsThat's cammies, not the vampiric condition. They are weaverish in the same way that glass walkers are, that is, relatively within their own splat.
>>94746359Dark Ages WoD. Occult investigation from a bunch of supernaturals is fun. I could see myself using the Dark Ages WoD setting for a mediaeval game even if I were contemplating running it with GURPS or Unisystem instead of WoD.
>>94755318>Torpor is never permanent and always ends by itself.>Hunger Torpor is literally one of the first kinds we ever hear about in the core book.Anon...
MtAs question. What’s the dot ranking where each Sphere really becomes useful?
>>94755610Level 1 if you know what you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, no super power is ever gonna be useful regardless of how many dots you have on it.
>>94755610Most are useful at 1, except Time and spirit, which become useful at 2.Forces 1 literally lets you use every type of natural sensory ability from heat vision, to echolocation, to electro reception, to etc.Matter 1 is basically inate chemical chromatography as an extra sense.Correspondance is 360 degree vision that isn't affected by obstructions or attempts to blind.Life 1 is 100% accuracy diagnosis.Entropy 1 is Eyes of Death Perception from Tsukihime.Prime 1 is universal magic/supernatural sense.Mind 1 isn't just emotion sense, it also allows you to improve mental rolls from the beginning. It's probably The best first dot of all spheres.
>>94755610Define "useful"4 usually if you want to build a character around it2 if you just want to crib something from it to combine with other shit, but it's sphere-by-sphere.>>94755486Don't people wake up from hunger torpors all the time, though?(Honest question)
>>94755717>if you know what you're doing.Anon, you don't even need sphere magic if you really know what you're doing. That's not a measure of anything, especially when almost know one actually knows what they're doing, even archmages.
>>94755797>Don't people wake up from hunger torpors all the time, though?No. Hunger torpor is the one where you Can't wake up until a third party comes in to do it for you. Hunger torpor doesn't end unless someone feeds you enough blood that you can heal the health levels lost when your body burned them trying to use blood on an empty blood pool.You can only come out of torpor period if you're above incapacitated on the health chart, which can't happen if your vampire body doesn't have the blood necessary to power the healing.
>>94755807>especially when almost know[sic] one actually knows what they're doing, even archmages.Yeah including you, with that weaksauce there.Measure this, casual: if you're dealing with the type of player that has to ask at which level X superpower becomes useful, you're dealing with a player that essentially doesn't have said superpower available at all, because they don't know what to do with it. The Anon there on >>94755610 fucked up by framing his question all wrong and needs to change his approach to his problem completely; something like "How do I find use on Level X of Sphere Y" would've been a better start if they're fishing for ideas.As is, it's either bait, or a show of ignorance.
>>94755276It's a core conceit of the setting that the Wyrm corrupts through the Weaver because it's trapped by it. Is pollution of the Weaver because to create it requires such an unimaginably vast infrastructure? Is state-backed violence Weaverish because it's organized? Vampires are Wyrmish through and through.
It's cute how ascfags can take the splat conceit of hubris and play it out in real life but you don't need to method act every hour of every day
>>94756196Even WtA disagrees with this though. The "Bloody Man"(Caine) in the silver record is a Weaver creation that stole power from the Wyrm and in doing so allowed the Weaver to trap the Wyrm.Vampires with high humanity and/or in golconda also don't read on sense-wyrm, but they do ping on sense-weaver.
>>94756373A whole hour and the best you can come up with is making fart noises? C'mon. I thought those hot pockets had more substance than that.
>>94756402>stole power (vampirism) from the wyrmSo vampirism is wyrmish, got it
>>94756415So the Weaver is a wyrm spirit because it trapped the wyrm?
>>94756467The weaver is animated purely by wyrmish power? That's news to me.
Thoughts on the Sabbat? They've become my players' favorite punching bag, they really love fighting the Sabbat and it's easy to find a way to write them in as antagonists what with their tendency to kill random innocents, pick fights with anyone not in their death cult, and being far less likely to keep a low profile. I love them for what I see them as, a very dangerous dumpster fire huffing twelve different types of copium and doing more to cause Gehenna than stop it. Not to be taken lightly, at all, but kinda pathetic once you see past the lies and rhetoric. But what do you guys think about them?
>>94756608>using the sabbat as a springboard to diablerise elders and pretend you share a common enemy because they're entirely correct about the threat posed by antes to the thinbloods of tonightbased>actually caring about noddism or religion or brotherhood or wanting Cdaddy to come backbahari tier
>>94756608Back in the day I used to think of them as the big baddies of vampire society and held some sort of respect for them. After reading some of the By Night books I realized not even the Sabbat likes the Sabbat.This one hit me because I wanted to play Tzimisce and I assumed most of them were aligned with the Sabbat's greater goals, but turns out a lot of them just pay lip service and do the bare minimum.At this I don't know which one I dislike most: Sabbat or Camarilla.
>>94757125>Back in the day I used to think of them as the big baddies of vampire societyIf your main source of knowledge is Bloodlines, then sure.
>>94756608I'm not specialist in the subject and for sure there will be people that disagree with me here, but to me, personally, in my point of view, the Sabbat always reflected the idea of victory through scale—fighting fire with fire, bringing a flamethrower to a matchstick fight.This is reflected on their two biggest conflicts with external entities, those being the Antedilluvians and the Camarilla.They want to defeat the Antediluvians by Diableirising them—it's part of their foundation story in the Anarch Rebellion, thus they win by becoming the very things they want to destroy to protect themselves. And they want to defeat the Camarilla by being keeping both other Kindred as well as the Mortal population in check through ruthlessness. In the end I don't see the Sabbat as anything else other than a group trying to play Catch Up with Status Quo by trying to be more of the same while pretending to be different.
>>94757179It was my introduction to the setting, yeah.
>>94757125The real answer is the anarchs. You dislike the anarchs the most.The anarchs talk about freedom and liberty, but ultimately, they're just gangsters. I don't mean that in a "they're lowly thugs" kind of thing. It's that while the camarilla styles itself after an aristocracy, it at least is honest about it. When the anarchs get their way, they're like the mafia. You're still under a power structure, still under someone's thumb. Just the guy calls himself the baron rather than the prince, and he's way more willing to have his boys beat the shit out of you if you don't fall in line and give him the respect (and sometimes tribute) that he feels he's entitled to.The camarilla are pricks, and the sabbat is an insane death cult, but neither of them really hide that from you. The anarchs, though, will lie to your face about what they believe. Hell, they might even believe that lie.
>>94757343Dude, the entire concept of the Masquerade is an emulation of the Omertá. Even the whole "you must be given permission to Sire new Kindred" is also taken from how people get Made in the Mafia. They're all fucking mafiosos.
>>94757343If anarchs somehow manage to take over your city you have a better chance at making a name for yourself and/or overthrowing them than you do with the camarilla or the sabbat.Hating the anarchs the most is like hating a few cockroaches when your house is infested with scorpions and centipedes.
>>94756608>Thoughts on the Sabbat?They feel like a half baked take on Cartel weirdness and their opposition to the masquerade kind of fucks with the setting a little bit too much.Also most of their powers being a net positive in combat doesn't get leaned into enough to give the Cam a niche as the social vampires taking over fat cats under the radar.idk, maybe some more Mayan stuff would help them stand out along side not having their origins tied to the Cam.>>94755044>The wyld has been out of control since the start, the balance isn't even close to being maintained.This had been the most crackpot take on werewolf I have seen in a long time. Have a (You). Also the variety of living things is lowering both in universe and IRL so even if the number of creatures stays roughly the same they will have a greater association with the Wyrm and Weaver as destroyers and survivors. You angle can work just fine but the Wyld hasn't been relevant enough to be treated as "the source of all ideas and changes" because if it were that it would force the werewolf cosmology into a dualistic nature the writers did their best to avoid, with very mixed results.Odds are I am missing something important but I don't have a WtA book on hand to check.>Are you pretending that technocracy are objectively good guys, and not just less evil than some other mages?They are supposed to be horrible people representing everything wrong with The Man™ but that angle is undercut by the Nephandy.
>>94752410The Imbued are pretty boring power wise because they don't quite manage to blend the Christian miracles and Exalted bullshit.Also they come off as "fuck you for trying to oppose me" or "this power is completely filler and only exists to balance the line as a whole" rather than "here's my magical toolkit" in a way that doesn't click with me.
>>94757448The Anarchs are just small time vampires at the end of the day. Most people dislike them because their niche is "baby's first faction" and no real reason to chose them over being an Autocract or Cammie.
>>94757518>This had been the most crackpot take on werewolf I have seen in a long time.It's the same thing that is in all the WtA books.>Also the variety of living things is lowering both in universe and IRLCompletely wrong.Also irrelevant and addressed, human invention covers the same cosmological niche.Variety is weaverish anyway, it has nothing to do with the wyrm. This was already addressed.>Odds are I am missing something important but I don't have a WtA book on hand to check.Reading the post you're replying to would be a good place to start.
>>94757584Bruh
>>94757518I have always been of the mind that the Sabbat exists because From Dusk Till Dawn is fucking awesome, but then I checked the movie's release date and the Player's Guide to the Sabbat and was I could hear that "qua, qua, qua" sound when I saw it. We live and we learn.
>>94756608Vampire MS13 meets Jihadi terror cell.I always liked them a little better than the Cammies as a faction though because they are at least honest about being blood-sucking murderous freaks.Anarchs never made sense to me though, they seem like the undead AFL-CIO and are just as annoyingly self-righteous.
Is the Sabbat freaky???
>>94754522>it's a bunch of retards lying to each other about true deep knowledge to maintain control of their cult while never actually accomplishing anythingI mean, that's a pretty accurate assessment of what we know about historical Gnostic sects. Turns out cults don't last very long when you go full Zardoz.
>>94757881They're led by Italian goths and Eastern Europeans who turn people into flesh canoes so signs point to yes.
>>94757639You can run them like that. I just don't think that the whole faction is necessary for that angle to work and adding the name doesn't add much nowadays.
>>94757584>>94755044Biodiversity is dropping massively, the number of things being born is skewing in the direction of things that can exist in human environments or that exist to indulge human needs and wants. As for human innovation and inventiveness, we're seeing the Weaver's answer to that in the 2010s and 2020s. You don't need new intellectual property when someone can pander to your nostalgia with remakes. You don't need to learn how to draw or learn how to write or imagine anything at all when you can ask AI to make it all for you.The Wyld continues to run wild and free and the whole point of it is that it just does its own thing without limitation or inhibition, but the strands of the Weaver's web are closing in around it. There's less and less space for it to roam, less gaps in the web for it to fill with chaos. New life and new ideas are still being born, but with less variety than ever before, and they have to adapt to the Weaver's world if they hope to survive.There are the theories that the Wyld will unleash all of its strength and tear the whole web down when it and/or Gaia are genuinely on the verge of death, but that's just another cosmic apocalyptic ToJ scenario.
>Wendigo to GalestalkersNot too bad>Fianna to Hart Wardens>Uktena to Ghost CouncilWere they on crack?
>>94758183>Get of Fenris to Cult of FenrisYou can't come up with that even on drugs. At this point, it's active disrespect.
>>94758183In terms of changes to the tribe names and such, you could change the Wendigo's name but keep their totem spirit without much issue. Same for the Uktena. This would make them much like the rest of the tribes.Personally, I really liked the alternative for Wendigo of Winter's Teeth.The Uktena are more complicated. Their general themes include learning secrets, magic and water. As such, you could go with something like Phantom Claw. An invisible, unseen warrior.
>>94758183>>94758241I don't get it. What's wrong with the names Wendigo and Uktena?
>>94756608I like them in small doses but they're a bit much for how prominent they are in-setting. They'd work better as a small terrorist organization in my opinion.
>>94758183>Uktena and WendigoShould have rolled them into the same tribe and called them 'Pure Wardens' or something or the nature because frankly, that's the kind of language they've been using about themselves since the very first printing.>FiannaWhat the fuck is a Hart?What was wrong with the name Fianna?>Speaking of: CoraxI genuinely think they're just nuking any name that isn't English in origin for fear of causing some offense or whatever. Corax for instance are just called 'raven-shifters' now, despite the fact Corax is just Latin for raven.
>>94758256They're Native American spirits and there's issues there.Uktena's fairly inoffensive though, because Uktena's a noble spirit that gets shit done.Wendigo's the issue, because it's a malevolent one that you're not actually supposed to name in that cultural tradition. True names and giving power with their use, that kinda thing iirc.
>>94758228In the game I'm about to run, I'm putting the Get back into the player character options, while casting the role of 'religious zealot nutjob gaoru' to the Moon Cults - as hanging out with Lunes is generally bad for your mental health. Even giving them an intensified form of delirium that (to a reduced degree) affects gaoru because I'm determined to have the word 'lunacy' come up somewhere.
>>94758284>in that cultural tradition90% of native american cultures don't give a shit because only 2 tribes actually have a "Wendigo" myth to begin with.That like saying we're disrespecting all of european culture by throwing around the name "Typhon". Only the greeks would have cared, if that.
>>94758345In that case I'm gonna eat crow and ask "and how many of them actually play?"
>>94758295Personally, I would have made the "Cult of Fenris" a brand new faction made up of Garou fallen to Hauglosk from *all* Tribes. And even if making the W5 analogue to the Get a "fallen Tribe" really was non-negotiable for the devs, it wouldn't have killed them to, *at the very least*, still write rules for playing non-Hauglosked and non-Renunciate Fenris, even if it has to be framed as an option for chronicles set before W5's present time. Or, like, say that not *all* of the Tribe fell, and the playable true Fenris are just the surviving remnants.And now that I think about it, this all begs the question: how the FUCK did the Cult drag *Wolf himself* down along with them?!
>>94758155>midwit cope because he can't compete with actual creatives so he denies that they existlolWyld does not care if you're a woof or just a lap dog btw, just that you were born
>>94758377Probably like 2-20 max. The I found the majority of people who complain are crazy white people who feel like they have to complain on our behalf for some reason.Said crazy white people are too delusional to realize they're being an even bigger problem than the one they try to "Fix".
>>94746740>Sinking of the ScharnhorstWW2 black ops, we need to sink an enemy vessel but they could detect our radar. Thus, the Office of Ungentlemanly Warfare has assembled a crack team of supernaturals to track the ship using out various abilities.Honestly, quite a decent first few sessions for a Weird War-themed game.
>>94758427They exist, but creativity is being less incentivised. thanks to the existence of AI tools that circumvent it. Hence the total amount of creativity in the world is diminishing, therefore the Wyld grows weaker still.
>>94749222The internet in general is dying
>>94758155Lucky for us, the Weaver's over-reach is unsustainable by the Weaver's own rules. The constant nostalgiabait that tries to sell you on propaganda isn't profitable and the companies so weaver infected they're unable to change to the needs of the market are going bankrupt. The web of the weaver is slowly being eaten from within by the Wyrm trapped in its threads as the entire structure collapses under its own weight.More than that, this has happened before. In america the Web-fall resulted in the great depression. The weaver, in its resistance to change, is repeating the same steps that temporarily weakened it a century ago and prepping the world for another season of the Wyrm followed, by a season of Wyld innovation, and then all will reapet as the Weaver tries to ascend again... and again... and again...
>>94758256I don't really have a problem with culturally appropriating myths, legends and religions. After all I ape Christianity and the old fae stories (my own faiths) whenever I can, because I like them. However, I find it boring that the tribal names of the native american tribes are the same as the totem. The Get of Fenris and the Children of Gaia and the Black Furies all have a mythological element to them, but also named themselves as a variant. The NA tribes are supposed to be taking from a broad variety of cultures spanning huge stretches of land and their peoples, and yet they all agree on calling themselves by the name of creatures and spirits that may only exist to a few of those tribes? I don't buy it. Really the native american (and of course south american) tribes were never handled well. They killed one of them off, and there are only TWO to handle everything else, and that broadly covers "USA bad" to "USA not all bad, only some bad". Wasted potential.
>>94758455>They exist, but creativity is being less incentivisedMy guy, creativity is the same. The internet just doesn't serve as a vehicle to distribute the fruits of that creativity to the masses like it did in the early 00's. We've returned to a previous era, when the vast majority of new things never make it outside of hidden friend-groups. It was fine before the 00's and it will be fine after.
>>94754392Mage is kinda anti-gnostic in that the hypothetical end goal is not freeing us of the demiurge but rather essentially becoming it by reshaping reality to fit your view of it. the view of mages is that the world sucks but we can make it better.
tfw no futa BSD gf>>94758493It's anti-gnostic in the sense that they don't believe anything any gnostic has ever believed or (more importantly) wrote that they believed
>>94758466>me and my friends are totally creativeYou push regurgitated slop like everyone else shut the fuck up.
>>94758627>NO YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY CREATING ANYTHING THE 288888 TRILLION ANT SPECIES ARE FUCKING NOTHING ITS ALL THE SAME WYLD FUCK YOU NO THE WYLD ALSO DOESN'T RUIN SHIT OR DESTROY OTHERS JUST IGNORE THE TIMES IT DOES>NO FUCK FUCK NO NO THE TECNOCRACY ISN'T INVENTING A TON OF NEW SHIT ITS THE WEAVER ITS THE WEAVER THEY'RE THE WEAVER NO THEY FUCK OFF NO THEY'RE NOT MAKING NEW SHIT ALL THE FUCKING TIME ITS NOT THE WYLD NOO NOOOOOOOOO SHUT THE FUCK UP>I FUCK SHUT UP NO GODDAMIT NO FUCK YOU THE WYRM ISN'T MAKING NEW SHIT IT JUST DESTROYS FUCKING SHUT UP NO THE ATOM BOMB IS NOT CREATIVE AND ALL THE NEW WEAPON TECHNOLOGY AND SHIT IS NOT CREATIVE SHUT THE FUCK UP THE WYRM IS JUST BAD HE JUST IS OK THE FUCKING WYRM JUST IS BAD AND NEVER MAKES ANYTHING AND IS UNCREATIVE, NO THE FORCE OF DESTRUCTION CAN'T FUCKING CREATEWerewolf lore is the stupidest fucking thing in existence. The Three Social constructs don't even fucking work.
>>94758646Wyrm derangement in action everyone.
>>94758393I just don't see the need for 'muh fascism' in WtA tbqh, simply because WtF did is so much fucking better with the Ivory Fangs. The Pure Tribes were such good bad guys and WtA shouldn't shit on one of the main reasons for WtF to exist.Moreover, everyone forgets that the Get are routinely the good guys when the Gaoru nation as a whole is about to do something extremely fucking evil. When the War of Tears was underway the Get were the ones trying to stop the Bunyip from being exterminated.>Rival Werewolf faction being more like VtM sect.I like that idea, and that's why I was going with the Moon Cults. Less 'muh fascism' and more 'alien Lune logic'. I'm already planning that sort of thing with Gaoru-Ikthya, got a wyrm-eaten version of every tribe.>HauglostI like the mechanics but I really fucking hate the fluff. Get too edgy one too many times and all of a sudden I receive Hugo Boss in the mail? Even if you give no fucks about realism, kinda strains credulity.Thinking of handling more as an inverse Harano, where you're in a state of intense anxiety and being Gaoru, the solution is to murder everything that twitches funny in a desperate bid to ease it, but it never comes. Thoughts? Or is that too faggy?>Dragged great wolf fenris.They've essentially made him old-Griffin, while completely rewriting Griffin to be some kind of luddite 'return to nature' anarcho-primitivist thing. So I think it's mocking people who like the previous editions.Because iirc, in the apocalypse scenarios, Fenris is the only totem who never falls under any circumstances.Could be worse I guess. Pegasus, Cockroach and Whippoorwill lost their whole fucking tribes. Nufag devs don't understand just how effective it is to put your phone on the table and play a recording of a Whipporwill song when the players thing they're safe.
anyone know if the nosferatu breton druid thaumaturgy paths from France by night ever got translated?
>>94758701>When the War of Tears was underway the Get were the ones trying to stop the Bunyip from being exterminated.You're thinking of the Wendigo. The Get there were one of the biggest supporters of the Bunyip extermination and to this day deny they were in the wrong at all (like they do with any atrocity they carry out). The only tribe who didn't take part in the War of Tears were the Wendigo, because they're serious about the whole anti-imperialism bent their on. I like the Get, but they are not and have never been the tribe of mercy and understanding.
>>94758646This is a massive argument in-universe anon.Breedbook Ananasi(or mokole, I constantly get them mixed up for some reason) even makes fun of the garou for doing this. Every one of the triat can create, preserve, and destroy, but they're each much worse at their non-specialty the one than one more specialized in it.WtA spirits don't work as cosmic constants, they function better when presented as living things with a talent.
>>94758284The funniest shit I see online when they try to argue you can't write/say Wendigo is when they compare to "how catholics feel about word Satan", while censoring Wendigo word and not censoring Satan on their speech.Like >>94758444 said, these people are delusional.
>>94758493>Mage is kinda anti-gnostic in that the hypothetical end goal is not freeing us of the demiurge but rather essentially becoming it by reshaping reality to fit your view of it.Anon, did you miss the entire "ascension" aspect of mage the Ascention?Or the part where mage repeatedly hammers on the point that sphere levels and focusing on power over reality is a distraction from ascension?
>>94758844Checked>You're thinking of WendigoI know the Get were unapologetic about the War of Rage, but I swear the Get had issues with the War of Tears because it was a shit justification, and it was the Red Talons who were the most vocal about extermination ("what kind of wolf does not howl?"), supported by the Silver Fangs?Fuck now I gotta read. Assuming Rage Across Australia for that fluff?
>>94757564>inquisitors are better than the imbued in every categoryWhy are the heavenly host still this shit after thousands of years? They have the limitless resources of Heaven and all the divine power they could ever need.Lucifer left them at the dawn of humanity, and he's Still styling on them despite doing it with almost no resources in a fallen reality where everything is trying to undermine or kill him.
>>94759127I'm sorry, but I'm not lucifer.
>>94759112>>94758844Huh, I apologise Anon, not only was I wrong, I was the most fucking wrong a man could possibly be about anything in the history of the species. The Australian Get are basically just Homid born Red Talons and a template for what would become the Cult.In saying that the book glosses over the war in such broad, vague strokes, you don't actually get told what they actually did. What a missed opportunity.
>>94758228>>94758393I suggested to a friend of mine who's big into werewolf and has his audience etc to write an STV book for W5 to fix the Get because there was money left on the table for a "patch" that fixed the issues there and he just told me wants 5th edition to burn in hell and he'd never touch that thing.He's been a pillar of the community for 20 years.Congratulations are in order, I've never seen a sabotage job this well made.>>94758627Dude, seriously. Get a fucking life. >>94758646>He doesn't know how to use the Three "Social Constructs"Pic related.>>94759032Native Americans need to grow the fuck up, as a whole. There's a reason the only people that don't dislike "the natives" are other natives and white people with Trump Derangement Syndrome - It's because they're fucking insufferable. If you're one crazy-ass president away from total extermination, MAYBE work a little bit more on being likeable to the general public instead of being bitter about muh land and trying to guilt-trip people into giving you benefits. As is, the fucking AMISH, I repeat, THE AMISH, are more likeable than Native Americans, let that sink in.
>>94759257>Native Americans need to grow the fuck up,Hey, don't drag me into this shit anon. The majority of N/A already got on that trsin in the 20th century(aka the ones that don't live in the reservations). The vast majority of people causing issues are white leftoids who claim to be 1 part per million native or some other bullshit.
>>94759296>"I am 1/1024th Cherokee (pronounced: Chi-rocky), so let me tell you what it's like being so oppressed"I admire your patience anon, that shit must get so tiresome.
Have any anons tried statting out some of the unstatted storyteller NPCs in WoD?Lucifer, the archdukes, the stat range for Incarnae/Aeons, and Antedeluvians are pretty straightforward if you use info from earlier books.
>>94759296Apologies, I should've worded my statement better there to not be so generalist.You are correct there.I have some native blood myself and my ancestors didn't ran the fuck away from their tribe to a catholic mission to become civilised so that hundreds of years later their miscigenated-as-fuck great-great-something-kid would throw a tantrum over how a people to whom he has similar levels of ancestry and cultural ties owned him money and respect because his skin colour is of a different shade than theirs. I suppose you feel the same.
>>94759314Personally I just look at these people as the idiots they are. My ancestors(Chickasaw) were early-adopters to the whole "City" thing because living in a tent and shitting in the woods when you have other options is Retarded. The people looking back on that like it was some great culure also overlook all the genocide we did to each other before civilization arrived, some of which the settlers helpfully documented.The brutal truth is that N/A culture is a relic of the past the same way greek, norse, or roman culture is. It's best or most useful parts should be taken to be improved on and everything else should be left in the history books.
>>94759313>Lucifer, the archdukesI get the archdukes since they're just bigger dukes, but how the hell do you stat lucy? Isn't he categorically different since he isn't abyss tainted?
>>94759309Not really any different the the bleached kids talking about how black or spanish they are despite being pastier than the average italian.
>>94759382>Isn't he categorically different since he isn't abyss tainted?Use the seraphim stats from Time of Judgement but fillowing the dot distribution pattern of greater demon rank from DtF storytellers companion.Funny enough, Lucifer works out to having exactly 72 dots to distribute among lores if you go by that rule.
As the guy who first posted about divine celerity inquisitors on here it’s nice to see that other people also seem to like themBut have you guys used them in your games lately?
>>94759382Not really City of angels says to stat him you should just use earthbound stats but with only 1 torment
>>94759313Wouldn't that fall into the same trapping as to stat a Nuke? Caine's character sheet wasn't just a meme.
>>94759253If I recall correctly, really the only time the Get are portrayed as somewhat more rational and less bloodthirsty than the other tribes is in Dark Alliance: Vancouver, where they're trying to tell everyone else not to be so retarded and go to war with themselves over Guttooth or whatever his name is.
>>94759552As an ST, hell no. I fucking hate having to make shit up on the fly because whitewolfs writer were too lazy to write their adventure properly.Ww was an earlt adopter of the 5e issue of making the ST do the game designers job for them and used "if it has stats, a player will kill them" as an excuse(ignoring the fact ww has players kill statless npcs and has statted npcs that are impossible for players to kill). Stats just make npcs easier to use by outlining their strengths and weaknesses, statless npcs actually end up More limited in what you can do with them without destroying the stakes, balance, or immersion of the campaign.
>>94759257>I suggested to a friend of mine who's big into werewolf and has his audience etc to write an STV book for W5 to fix the Get because there was money left on the table for a "patch" that fixed the issues thereThat's what I see the most: People trying to fix system on some level, starting with getting back the Get or some "these are the ones who didn't go to the Cult" Tribe. There's around 3 to 5 versions of that fix. Just like how many people made Sabbat playable with their own V5 supplements. >and he just told me wants 5th edition to burn in hell and he'd never touch that thing.He ain't wrong in that. At least for W5 and H5. Even some of my friends who enjoy V5 are stepping away from other 5e iterations. >Congratulations are in order, I've never seen a sabotage job this well made.Sometimes I think PDX does that on purpose: "Well, even if many people don't like X thing, we know they'll do some STV book for that">>94758466I agree with you. But I also can see what's happening is people posting in other non-mainstream spaces. We getting back to an era where you need to dig up good stuff, using bookmarks, saving things again on your computer, doing backups and so on.
>>94759257>literally my friend can regurgitate slopI salute you for being so entirely un-self aware. Truly, creativity is alive and well in your hands. Useless subhuman.
>>94759534It also says to use the earthbound stats from the Storytellers Companion rather than the actual Earthbound book. The storytellers companion stats are as accurate as its stats for werewolves, aka: they're storyteller stand-ins instead of fully functional. That section is about as autjoritative as any quick and dirty stat speads made for out-of-splat npcs in the back of every corebook.
>>94759792You could be using the energy you waste here to learn to cook so you eat something other than hot pockets, Anon, and maybe what you regurgitate in here will have some substance and not just hot air. Fucking nogames nofriends loser.
>>94759463>Use the seraphim stats from Time of JudgementDon't forget Devil's Due is technically part of the DtF line. Fallen and Earthbound that have at least existed since the dark ages have the possibility of 6+ attribute/ability scores, a host of unique apocolyptic form abilities, and the ability to leverage their torment for benefits.
>>94759660I’m not super sure I follow. As an ST, you’re often improvising because players will disrupt your plans. That’s just part of being an ST—embrace it.While I’m no fan of 5th edition, they’re right that if something has stats, players will try to kill it. However, as you said, players will also find ways to kill statless NPCs. Thus, the real issue is not that players will try and break the game, but how. Stat Caine, and they’ll run combos until they think they can beat him. Blocking that effort will be unfair to them—they spent a long time learning the systems so they could pull off something like that and you're taking away their reward because... because. Now with statless entities, outcomes depend on ST arbitration.For example, if nukes "destroy everything" and Caine is "invincible," there’s no clear result when nuking Caine—it’s up to the ST. This ambiguity lets the ST maintain narrative control while players explore the limits.Thus, statless NPCs like Caine aren't meant to overburden the ST, but to empower them to call the shots on what the NPCs can or cannot do. They can lead to less predictable but more narratively flexible outcomes. Striking a balance between what is stat-ed and what is not makes the game more engaging while still keeping it fair.
>>94759903You missed my point entirely. >you’re often improvising because players will disrupt your plansYeah, That isn't really an issue. If I was complaining about that, why would I be asking for more ways players can disrupt me?You're preaching to the pope, and misquoting the bible while doing it.>Stat Caine, and they’ll run combos until they think they can beat him.Regardless of anything else, you have to stat an npc every time players will interact with it. If you try to eyeball everything without rolls, you'll end up inconsistantly ruling things because you, as the st, have a million other things you're juggling in your head as the campaign progresses.Why the fuck would I block the player trying to beat caine anyway? If he can do it, let him. It's one of the gehenna scenarios too, so even the writers think players should be able to kill caine in the right situation.>statless NPCs like Caine aren't meant to overburden the ST, but to empower them to call the shotsStatless NPCs don't empower Shit, they add exponentially increase my workload.I'm also the fucking ST, I don't need to be "empowered" to do basic shit.If that was the writers intent they didn't just fail spectacularly, they were retarded for trying in the first place.
>>94760012>The popeAre you Phil Brucato? Otherwise you're not the Pope, you're just some guy getting hissy because you've been misunderstood on a message that started acknowledging it wasn't really sure it understood your point.
>>94759819>hot pockets and no games projectionEven your insults are tired and unimaginative. The best use of your energy would be your own suicide, it'd better the rest of humanity. But instead you'll be an infinitesimally small stain on the record of human history. So sad.
>>94760025>Phil BrucatoThat's an interesting way to spell Mark Rein-Hagen
>>94760025It's a spin on an old saying anon. I doubt old-anon is trying to say he's the actual head priest of owod.
>>94760070>old-anon
>>94760093Because you type like a boomer and you only saved a single frame in that gif.
>>94760037Phil's not the Pope because he wrote the Purple Book—Stewie did that first.Phil's The Pope because he's Italian, was raised Catholic but doesn't like Catholicism at all, and because he said he doesn't want to lead a cult. And because "Papa Phil" and "Pope Phil" sound a little bit cacophonic—try saying "Pope Phil's Pulp Fiction" three times in a row for example, and you'll get it. If you have interesting nicknames for Mark I'm all ears. Usually I just mispell his last name in dumb ways, and I mirror that when I speak it, like Mark Nheinhagen or Mark Ninahagen or whatever, but I think it's a little week.>>94760070I know, Anon. But why would you think I was trying to imply there's an actual head priest of oWoD, then?>>94760035Guy making "kys" comments wants to school someone on originality. Bitch, you're here every day, you're not my hater, you're my fan. Stan whatever way you wanna Stan, I don't care.>>94760093We all know.
>>94756802It is interesting how the people who benefit the most from and do the best in the Sabbat are those who couldn't give less of a fuck about their principles. It's also killing the Sabbat in slow motion. >>94757125>not even the Sabbat likes the Sabbat.The Sabbat is hard to like, there's so many different beliefs within it that are held together only by the vinculum, a hatred of the Camarilla, and a general love of inhumanity. >>94757224I've always felt that the ratio of how much the Sabbat spends fighting the Camarilla v.s. trying to find and kill Antediluvians betrays their true motives. They just want to be the only authority and have been butthurt since they lost Thorns 2 to 7, with 4 abstaining. All the mass embraces and vamp on vamp violence they cause has done more to hasten Gehenna than anything else. >>94757343>>94757448>>94756608Anarchs are just boring. Their ideas don't hold up to scrutiny, they can feel like a writer's pet at points, and have a much shorter list of themes. The Camarilla and the Sabbat both have more things you can do with them. plus the Anarchs tend to come off as "that guy with the worst political takes you know became a vampire and won't shut up". >>94758259That's how I feel about the Assamites.With the Sabbat I see and use them as "the reason everyone hates vampires" in-setting. The Camarilla and others keep a reasonably low profile, but the Sabbat only cares enough to kill witnesses and make sure the entire thing doesn't blow up. So when hunters or even other supernaturals run into vampires, it's probably the Sabbat just by virtue of restraint being a foreign concept to them. One game I was a player in had the running gag of my Ventrue having to talk down mortals/supernaturals that only knew vampires through the Sabbat.
>>94760142>If you have interesting nicknames for Mark I'm all ears.My group called him "marthusela" because we knew him as the vampire guy and couldn't ever remember how to say or spell his name.
>>94760145>plus the AnarchsSo they're twitter whores?...Wait...Holy shit that fits.
>>94760215I'm not sure I'm gonna steal this one for Mark but I am definitely keeping this in check for any potential Martha's I may meet in the future. Really good stuff, gave me a good giggle here.
>>94760231Kinda. Any hope of salvaging the Anarchs died when Twitter became big. They were too tied to the punk movement conceptually in the first place though. And look at what became of them.
Quick question for encyclopedia-anon: how far can someone dive into infernalism before they just become an actual demon?
>>94759313>the stat range for Incarnae/Aeons, and Antedeluvians are pretty straightforward if you use info from earlier books.Which books?
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks that tracking Renown in WtA is retarded and pointless busywork that could easily just be roleplayed?
>>94760379You are. Renown is genius and subtly teaches newfags how to roleplay properly.
>>94760320Depends on how you define "demon".You can create a human that "almost" a fallen for example, but they won't ever be an actual fallen.The big thing with infernalism is the ability to gain the important abilities of any splat without needing to be that splat, and doing that for multiple splats simultaneously.
>>94760320depends how you define far you can get: vampire generations, disciplines normal ones and special infernal ones, all investments, stats above your normal splat limit, a slightly more limited apocalypse form, close to half the arcane in devil's due, you can be turned alive again if you are a wraith or vampire, get extended lifespans from human sacrifices, awaken as a mage, and get the status of mid tier employee of hell all without turning into a demon
Can WoD spirits screw with what they cover? For example a spirit of healing stoping werewolf regeneration or a water spirit causing a drought.
>>94760456Depends. Gafflings/Jaggling? Probably not, they're statted out in the varous spirit books with a limited selection of charms.Incarnae or celestines? Hell yeah. They do that shit all the time in lore.
>>94760379In my opinion, handwaving renown leads to more fuckery than it avoids unless the game is pretty short.
>>94760482Fair enough.
>>94760379I like it, because Dot-Printing Machine Go Brrrrrrrl.
>>94760456If they're powerful enough to encompass all of a particular thing, then probably. It'd have to be a spirit of all healing who could just say 'no I don't think I'll be healing you', though.You could alternatively flavor it as saying that a particular spirit's absence causes the spirit of its opposite to get free reign. If a spirit of plenty gets huffy and stops doing its job, a spirit of hunger emerges, that sort of thing.
>>94760379Not really. You talk after the session about what each character did, have your Galliard make his case for the group (for and against), have your Ragabash question it, have your Philodox approve it, and then the ST awards points afterwards. Each rank challenge however should be roleplayed. The spirits award renown, not the sept, but rank increases are sept based
>>94760527I was approaching that as a curse a spirit can put on someone rather than the normal spirit ecology.
>>94760320There 2 options here: >1. NowhereWoD's definition of "demon" is so loose that it basically boils down to "malevolent supernatural". If you're an asshole and gain even one supernatural trait, then you technically qualify as a demon>2. All the wayOn the other hand, WoD loves to have its cake and eat it too. There are a bunch of things that indicate "Demon" is its own class of supernatural despite the fact its a category that includes many thing with nothing to do with each other(like ward vs demon).So under this definition, you could make All the deals until you're a Torment 10, Po 10, Being 10, half-demon monstrosity with actual Rank in all the hells, whose very presence is so malevolent it passively torments those of True Faith who come near, but still not be a demon.
>>94760496>Starts a puppy mill> +500 Honor
>>94760588>CheckedDoesn't Dark Thaumaturgy requires you to take up a deal with a Demon of some sort in order to learn a line? How does that work in that frame of yours?
>>94759463>>94759891You know, I'd give lucifer dots in True Faith(humanity). He devotes himself to humanities vitue and potential over God Himself despite the overwelhming evidence to disallusion him.He's in many ways the most religiously devoted being in the entire setting.
>>94760620>1.Learn it from another dark thaumaturge. The reason it doesn't work for every vampire is the same reason it wouldn't work for every member of any other demon faction, not every demon knows dark thaum>2No issues. Find a real demon.
Remember, kids, if you're going to deal with demons become a Mage or least a sorcerer first. Your soul is worth (willpower + arete) x 10 points so you'll be able to get more out of your precious soul points, before the demon inevitably fucks you over down the line.
>>94760679Anything that can be exchanged for goods and services can be, well, exchanged for goods and services. It sounds obviously dumb but a Trade is a Trade, not a Robbery. it's a two-way lane.
>>94760679can you go into soul debt? like if I have 2 arete can I buy stuff for 4 with the promise that once I get there I will hand those 4 points over.
Is the VtM to VtR 2 conversion guide done yet?
>>94760742Normally no, since if you spend all your points the demon basically hollows you out and from that point onward controls your body. Demons do, however, give out freebies like every good drug dealer of course. Though there are weird cases like the Wu Ken whose souls are already owned by their demon husbands so they just get free investments as rewards for completing tasks for their masters.
These are great, I've finally woken up
Hey guys, I'm planning to run a 5-10 session mini campaign of Werewolf the Apocalypse in the near future. I just remembered that modules exist for this game.Which is generally agreed to be the best module so I can take "inspiration" and "artistic license" from? :^)
>>94760808>The "I S2 Justin" badge on the left cornerCareful there, or he'll nuke your favourite splat too!
>>94760808>Green Bay PackersSee this is why I'm a Seahawks guy.
>>94760760No.
>>94760800well in this case I haven't given the demon my soul yet I've just traded it off sometime in the hypothetical future for an immediate boost in power that is higher than I would've gotten if I gave him my soul right away
>>94760808thought it was dreamspeaker art but then again they are basically woofs but they aren't hyper aggressive anymore (still retarded tho)
>>94760679> deal directly with DEMON LORDS first.Isn't this exactly what encyclopedia-anon said Not to do when practicing practical infernalism?
>>94760760I don't know. Are you looking for a specific mechanic?
>>94760810From what I heard the game where Samuel Height was introduced was pretty good but I forgot the name.
>>94760742>>94760800>>94760885My guy, all demonic deals are soul dept. When deal-points exceed current soul-points, you go bankrupt. It's like when interest on a loan exceeds your income, the bank doesn't give a shit if you promise you'll make more money in the future, they're going to foreclose your house regardless.
>use spirit to enslave demon to your will>force it to give you shit for your soul>then using the magick you already cast on it you force it to return your soul>repeat for infinite soul pointsheh Antediluvians, Archmages, the Wyrm, even God... they will ALL be like worms beneath my infinite dot hack
>>94760901That anon is clearly a nephandi trying to pull people down to his level. Every competent infernalist know to point and laugh at idiots that soul-pact as their first deal.
>>94760902I want to run VtR2 rules with VtM20 fluff, but that turned out to be a lot harder than I thought.
>>94760940Not how it works. Demon lords are immune to spirit 5.
>>94760918Chaos Factor.
>>94760956Shush anon, it'll be funny.
>>94760956darn it
>>94760901yeah selling your soul is a idiots move and turns you into a thrall which is only worthwhile if you are a vampire and think that you will literal live forever (the curse means demons can't harvest you) for everyone else there are two well three actual worthwhile ways: the term diabolists includes two of them already one being the kind of guy who summons demons to feed them other people's souls and the other kind being the kind who enslaved the demons they summon and the third does not have fancy name beside not a idiot and that is someone who trades power for a service and it has no fancy name because it was considered to be the norm before dtf(and outside of asia) and after dtf they wanted to put it under the rug: all demon contracts in the dark age books and all spectre cults pre wraith 20 are of this kind
Can someone repost Encyclopedia-anon's infernalism handbook before the mages get more "brilliant" ideas?
>>94760918>>94760967No, Valkenburg Foundation.
>>94760940>Dot Hackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCWXPM0xx2c
>>94761007If you want a list by type, the methods are:>High umbral Demons(Mage&VtM):Just don't make a soul or life pact, every other pact can be made an infinite amount of times. If your patron gets uppity find a new one. Their literal in-book reason for making deals with people they know are already going to hell is "a cookie you steal from someone else is better than a cookie you find". They're more than happy to take in turncoats from their rivals(and then get surprise-pikach-face when the known turncoat turns on them).>Yama Kings(KotE):It doesn't have to be your soul you sell. Yama kings already sell to each other and western deoms. Losing soul-pieces isn't necessary for the process of investments either, they're just currency.>Fallen(DtF)Don't bother. The powers you get are pathetic and your employer might randomly eat your soul if they get into hot water.>Earthbound(DtF)Ironically the safer option to deal with. They can't ravage you and there are only drawbacks if you deal with the same one repeatedly. It costs one permanent willpower each time though, so still deall sparingly.>Fallen(Devils Due)Absolutely worth the effort, but with major drawbacks. You'll need to slowly work your way up, but you'll eventually be able to rival the demons that made you(and from then, plotting your masters permanent destruction is forgone).>Fomori Possession(freaks legion and Possessed)Buy Brain Eater. That's it.Mindbreak some squirrels for thousands of free xp and laugh as the bane burried in unending autonomy.It boggles my mind that they accidentally printed the most powerful ability in WoD, and then Copy/Pasted it with no edits when they had the chance to update.[1/2]
>>94761039[2/2]>Spectre CultsNot worth bothering in wraith 20. Pre-20 this was the 2nd most powerful type of infernalist in the game with the option just having a being score. Being dice are added tovwillpower rolls, increase your pool of temp willpower, and give you the ability to Permanently Kill AnythingHaving a Being score makes you able to be a better infernalist of every oth type too. If your patron becomes inconvenient and they happen to be anything else than a high-umbral incarna? Just Eat Them.The explicitely includes your first spectral "master" as well.In Wraith 20? Your just a ghoul, but worse.>NephandiSee "High Umbral Demons". These are the idiots that gave in and made soul pacts>BhaaliNot worth it exception in Very specific circumstances. Bhaali elders can gain the benefits of demonic deals by spending xp rather than dealing with bullshit from a patron, which is amazing, but gaining accessto 6th dot disciplines is a sysiphean task alone.>GhoulingYou're only slightly better than a spectre cultist without a being score. Pathetic.
>>94761046>On Demon LordsDealing with demon lords generally isn't worth it IMO.Beyond the fact that they don't have explicit soul trade the way Yama Kings do and even have lore indicating they won't let go of a soul unless you pry it from them(meaning it has to actually be Your soul being traded in this case), they're also statless, unkillable npcs. There's no real way to get one over on them.There's only one way around this, and that's somehow guaranteeing you Always get at least 5 extra successes in an opposed Intelligence+Law check against the demon lord's opposed social check for every investment. You'd need absolutely insane social dicepool and enough difficultiy mods to ensure you alway roll at minimum difficulty(2 or 3 depending on Splat and ST). Even then it might not be enoughThere's an earthbound investment that could do this though, it gives 3 automatic successes to every roll involving the attribute it's invested in Per Investment.Meaning you'd need to be one of the most successful and powerful infernalists whose ever lived just to have a Chance of having favorable deals with demon lord infernalism.
>>94761039>>94761046>>94761046>then Copy/Pasted it with no edits when they had the chance to updateFitting line right now copyanon.
>>94761039>>94761046Which ones are the ars goetia demons?
>>94761101Earthbound. DtF lore explicitly makes solomon's 72 demons earthbound that got Fucked by a mortal sorcerer.
>>94761120I see. Thank you.Guess I'm changing them to powerful Fallen instead.
>>94761172Earthbound Are Fallen anon. The only difference is if they're in a human vessel or an object(the object benefits are Niiiiiice though).
>>94761039>>94761046Based Encyclopedia Man strikes again.You don't need to act defensive like on >>94760012, mang. Real knows real, respect fosters respect.But ngl I enjoy throwing hands from time to time, so to speak. Sparring makes for good practice, one day I'm gonna need my sharpest rhetoric for something that isn't gonna be a conversation about made-up monsters and every single metaphorical black eye I ever got in here is gonna be invaluable. But I dunno if you feel the same.
>>94761193>the object benefits are Niiiiiice thoughaside from the guaranteed torment 10 that makes you hate everything and just not have a nice time existing
>>94761193Aren't Earthbound explicitly evil with no hope for redemption while Fallen are meant to be morally ambiguous?
>>94761196NTA but this is some of the cringiest shit I've seen in these threads
>>94761230Duly noted. You're gonna want some cookies with that?
>>94761172fun fact: according to Devil's Due there are exactly 666 Earthbound!
>>94761213You can redeem them by summoning them into a mortal vessel. All demons are torment 10 in the abyss, the human mind lets them repress their memories so that they can start with torment below that after summoning.
>>94746740…Watame from Hololive playing Undertale (Pacifist route)+ W20>Players find the last sheep shifter and learns about forgiveness and sparing their enemies, which somehow leads to a better world and the wyrm becoming sane again
>>94761238>Solomon completely no-diffed more than 10% of all satans on earth.Fucking Legend.
>>94746740>Contested Western Sahara Well shit I guess we're helping some Silent Striders and Bastet clean up Africa.
>>94761248>Half of DtFs problems could be solved by sending the esrthbound back to hell for rehabI don't know if this is stupid or hilarious.
>>94761254>sheep shifter...sheeple if you will...
>>94761196I'd agree. 4chanm is a great place for not learning to tske online hate seriously. Aslo for learning how to spot trolling.
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>>94761311Ironic
>>94761294The hard part is trying wrestle those metphysical crackheads into the rehab center.
>>94761208AI might actually be the cure for that. A computer body that lets the Earthbound suppress memories and simulate emotions would give them all the benefits of a human and object vessel in one.
>>94761440>putting a primordial evil into the weaver-box can't possibly go wrongAnon...
>>94761440>>94761474Yeah let's put a Demon inside a HIT Mark Terminator Death Machine.What could go wrong?
>>94761440The Earthbound want to actually feel shit, not have some AI facsimile. They've got Urges, you know. That, and they need a vessel compatible with their nature.Plus, they've already developed a ritual that lets them enter the internet, you don't want to give them more access to technology.There could an Earthbound in this thread, RIGHT NOW.
>>94761500>There could an Earthbound in this thread, RIGHT NOW.We only have the usual nossie, adept and metis glass walker shitposters rn.... right?
>>94761517>completely ingoring the clear nephandus that was a fewbposts up getting styled on by a mortal infernalist
>>94761517Anon, these threads aren't compromised. They can't be. They're an open pasture where all the evils of the world come to troll each other and spread misinformation.
>>94761517Of course.On an unrelated note, who's up for exploring the bottom of the Atlantic?There's some really neat stuff down here.
>>94761302who are prone to narcolepsy
>>94761517Not me, I'm an Akashic Sorcerer in training who just got his fat ass beat because Christmas doesn't allow for 5AM training unless I want to freeze.
>>94761574Sounds great! I'll bring a crew of "Rehab Specialists", it'll be fun!
I'm looking for an apprentice, if anyone here is looking for some top notch Hermetic training feel free to contact me. Power and the mysteries of the universe could be within your fingertips.Anonius bani Tytalus
>>94761635Splendid!Just take a down turn when you reach the Marianas Trench.And bring a few more of those 'Engineer' fellows, my last pair broke.
>>94761517Do you really think the Earth bound shitposts would feel any different from the normal ones?
>>94761633>I'm an Akashic Sorcerer in training>Akashic Sorcerer>Sorcerer
>>94761500>The Earthbound want to actually feel shit, not have some AI facsimile.Like we couldn't make more intense and complex emotions using enlightened science.Technocratic AI is advanced enough to put the human emotional range to shame. We'll have you feeling like a 40k Eldar right before the birth of Slaanesh!
>>94761677oh boy I sure can't wait to learn the mysteries of magic and not have to worry about my master killing me and any given moment! sign me up!
>>94761749There you go, straight from Sorcerer
>you're the ST>your players want to pool their backgrounds so they can share a harem of 50 kinfolkWhat do?
>>94761254I know that there are wild goats out there, so you could say that there’s a remaining changing breed, but are there still wild sheep? Then again, the wereboars are extinct despite wild boars still remaining.
>>94761834Only if the campaign is about defeating their seven evil garou exes
>>94761798I imagine some poor bastard defiler is going to be stuck in an Iteration X toaster-sex-machine and become the first of the fallen to ever reach torment 11...And then torment 12...And then 13...
>>94761834>You know, the most likely kin you'll know will be related to you. If you want to avoid incest, I have a solution. I want a description of each of these kinfolk and who they are, every single one. Otherwise...I mean if your bro says you can bang his second cousin with the family's permission, what good friend wouldn't take up that opportunity?
>>94761834Turn it into a base management sim like Rimworld or Dorf OrtressThe kinfolk comprise a small town/subtle ecofascist cult commune that the players have gotta grow and protect. They win if they avoid getting Waco'd before the population is big enough to become inconvenient to slaughter wholesale.
>>94761874Isn't that literally every defiler(and most malfactor)'s dream?
>>94761574sorry buddy, deepwater horizon is enough ocean horror for all the seven seas.
>>94761866>Checked Toppen kek, min kompis.>>94761888>Triple checkedRimworld is fucking great.>>94761874All the way up until Torment X.Damn, Torment X sounds like a great name for a video game or heavy metal album.Also works as a description of what a lot of people do once they log in online.
>>94761874Leave it to a mage to make the fallen desire the sweet release of the abyss.
Bump limit has long been exceeded anons...
>>94762165Still page 5. Wait at least page 8 for new bread.
>>94761874This makes me wonder, since virtues can exceed 5 dots with true faith, can Urges exceed 5 with other effects?
>>94762165>making a thread the moment the current one hits bump limitI hope a Nephandus sodomises you in ways only a wizard can
Speaking of urges: humans can hit Torment 10 in Devil's Due. If a fully corrupted DD mortal survived to the 6th great maelstrom, would they use Urges instead of virtues?
>>94762165>>94762210>>94762169Looks like someone's anxious for the next thread.
>>94762237I'm not even sure if a torment 10 infernalist could even be considered human honestly. There was a conversation about what point an infernalist basically becomes a demon earlier this thread.
*shakes my leg so hard that I fling a turd out my pants leg straight at Zapathasura**he immediately goes rigid and hits the ground, heem sleepy style*
>>94762363lol
>>94762363I've heard of shitting bricks but shitting wood is news to me.
>>94750234>>94750272>>94750366As said the Golden Gate Bridge would be a monument that represents wonder and apprehension. On the more wonderous side though it'd represent coexistence, connection, and community. The bridge is also a universally loved landmark and very old with decades of emotions filling it so in the Umbra it could actually be a pretty nice place all things considered. The real hot spots of Wyrm taint would be the nearby Alcatraz island which was a horrific prison and the nearby slums filled with homeless people and drug addicts. And of course the city itself is a source of Weaver stasis, but due to the structure and history of San Francisco no one force is in control or has a advantage. It'd probably be similar to New York with how Garou interact with the city. Oh and the San Francisco city father probably appears as some sort of man of commerce and trading turned hippie and back again. An eccentric figure formed out of a million clashing ideas.
>>94762208You could probably acheive that with one of the evil versions of true faith.
>>94761847>tfw no submissive sheepgirl girlfriendAnyone want to theory-craft what role a sheep/goat fera would have played?>Bears are already healers>Cows were the fertility matchmakers>Pigs were the eating the wyrm filth kind (can’t have goats eating tin cans)>Lizards are the dreams + memories dudes (can’t have counting sheep to sleep)Anyone want to join? Possibly expand on it next bread?
>>94762492>Anyone want to theory-craft what role a sheep/goat fera would have played?Something something Scots and Welshmen Kinfolk.
>>94762509Add also New Zealand
>>94762492How about sheepshifters were the kinder touch of Gaia? They were a breed (now lost) in charge of nurturing mankind into being respectful of the environment and commune with nature, aided by the Apis who were counseling their leader. Unfortunately they were in direct conflict with the rats who were in charge of culling humanity’s numbers. Many were slaughtered during the Impergium for trying to preserve humanity.Another role that I have in mind is that they were the backup/jack-of-all-trades for other breeds. They could do almost anything the others can (except fight like the garou), which is why they were slaughtered by the wolves during the War of Rages.
>>94762645>Another role that I have in mind is that they were the backup/jack-of-all-trades for other breeds. They could do almost anything the others can (except fight like the garou),That's what bastet and kitsune do anon
>>94762745It's not like having 3 backup breeds isn't a good idea considering what happened to the fera
>>94762492If we can't have any significant overlap with other breeds you can make them responsible for the transferance of corruption.So instead of eating the offending party, they could take on their spiritual impurities and kill themselves to cleanse it from the world. I know this is pretty retarded but that's the most unique angle I can think of the top of my head.
>>94762775>>94762492You could also have gifts for transporting people based on Thor's Chariot and the Golden Fleece, who would also be another reason for sacrificing oneself for the benefit of others angle.
>>94762745shit I forgot, I mostly remember them as the wizards of the fera>>94762753trueI also envision that they could have been betrayed by the garou in the past, hence the phrase "Wolf in sheep's clothing">>94762775a bit insane, but what if instead that Sheep fera cannot enter the Umbra (unless buying a gift) without ingesting wyrm taint? The travel consumes the taint into nothingnessYou could also have a bit with many sheeple having True Faith, because shepherds were those who had angels appeared to them to announce the coming of Jesus, as well as Jesus often being called the "Lamb of God".The breed of Goats could have been completely corrupted by the Wyrm, which explains the Satan imagery.>>94762793Transporting huh, you know the Corax and the scouts and messengers, but that could be a fun idea that the Sheep and Goats were the one to maintain physical connection between the breeds, and use to move large units of fera when an army was needed.
The only Fera left capable of saving Gaia are Stargazers, Bastet, and possibly Kitsune if they became more aggressive. They must collaborate with sympathetic Dreamspeakers, and manipulate sympathetic vampires and ghosts. Bastet and Kitsune already get it, but don't have the numbers or coordination to make much of it.
>>94762645Sheepshifters is gold. I was gonna suggest Sheeple but that's better.
>The first cloned mammal was a sheep>They were the precursor to Pentex's plan with the mockery breeds, but their plans were revealed to the public and the sheep breed was scrapped off
>>94762956>The only Fera left capable of saving Gaia are Stargazers, Bastet, and possibly KitsuneGoing to completely ignore the Gurahl and their importance in reclaiming wildlands I see.Also the Mokole, who have access to literally every Gift and Rite ever, if only the other fera would stop killing eat other long enough to help them reclaim the lost menesis line from the labyrinth. Just letting the Mokole do their damn job would fucking Supercharge the entire fera collective, but the only places organized enough to try also happen to have minimal garou presence...
>>94763065I forgot about the Gurahl asspull that they were hiding for thousands of years. They can fuck. Mokolé don't sound like they have the numbers to even be willing to help, all they do is fuck until the Apocalypse. At least Bastet have enough to roughly equal a single Garou tribe. So, most generously, Stargazers and Gurahl on hammer-sized problems; Kitsune and Bastet on scalpel-sized problems. Also, congrats on 404post.
>>94762958Sheeple could be the insulting nickname, like how garous are called woofs
>>94763366You dubbed therefore you are right.
shame that satyrs already exist as changelings/faes, because I had in mind that the goat/sheep breed were extremely lustful because they have lower rate of breeding true compared to other species. This could be offset that their kinfolk have higher chances of breeding true when between themselves.
>>94763500Go jack off and then read your post again
>>94757564It's really disappointing to me how underwhelming the Imbued are. The potential is amazing, but the writers were schizo and the most lucid ones sadly turned out to be the ones who wanted being an Imbued to be an experience in getting your shit pushed in and being a scared victim.
>>94759253I just wanted to say it's really big of you to say that, anon. It's really cool of you.
>>94763706NTA.How'd you stat Post Nut Clarity? Bonus to Intelligence, Wits, or Perception? All three? If this was D&D it'd be easy - Wisdom - but alas it is not.
>>94758272>What was wrong with the name Fianna?The name originated from the Fianna, who followed the Irish hero Fionn mac Cumhaill. They were originally going to keep it, but when people questioned why they were keeping the incredibly Irish name while de-Irishing it, the developer claimed that "Fianna" was just a word. The term gets thrown around a lot without merit, but this is an example of actual cultural appropriation.
>>94763706Well, that's harsh but completely understandable.I was mostly going along with the myth of satyrs and finding a logical in-universe reason for them being horny.
>>94762863>what if instead that Sheep fera cannot enter the Umbra (unless buying a gift) without ingesting wyrm taint? The travel consumes the taint into nothingnessSure, why not?>>94763239>I forgot about the Gurahl asspull that they were hiding for thousands of years.Eh, you can have them pop out the woodwork with not! torpor gifts. >>94763728You are playing a magical schizo; every splat that uses the concept does it better. May God forgive me for using those words; even the Changeling the Dreaming had a better execution.
>>94763900>this is an example of actual cultural appropriationLeave it to the modern cultural retards to do everything they claim to fight against.I can't blame them too much anymore though, recent study finally proved without a shadow of a doubt that being exposed to fluoride in drinking water lowers average IQ by 1 point for every part per million of fluoride is in the local water, so america literally repeated the "leaded gasoline" mistake that made all the boomers retarded.
>>94759702>posting in other non-mainstream spacesI have to start from scratch Again?This, is better and worse news than I was hoping for. Any recommendations to start?
>>94763900>CheckedI'm sorry, I really don't understand the full context of the conversation here.Weren't the Fianna Irish and whatnot? How is that cultural appropriation?
>>94763833PNC - Mind 1, Life 1For the duration of a scene, all rolls involving wits or perception have a -1 reduction in difficulty. In addition to that, any rolls made against the casting Mage with the intent of seducing or manipulating him have a +2 difficulty increase. At the discretion of the ST, at end of the scene the Mage can make a Stamina roll (difficulty 5). If successful, the refractory period ends and the effects of this rote dissipate. If unsuccessful, the Mage keeps the effects for another scene but rolls involving stamina or related to sexual actions suffer a +2 difficulty increase.
>>94764000>Trips
>>94764066woah there.. check em
>>94763978>Mentally handycapped a generation... TwiceWhy is WtA realistic? WTF is wrong with reality?We don't even get cool shit like Magick in this one, so why is there so much trade-off?
Is three checks in a row in the same comment chain an omen?
>>94764061Well, that explains why autism, adhd, etc went from 1 in a thousand to 1 in 35 across america.
>>94764098Yes. Holy Infrastructure delivers Dubs of Truth to guide us towards Good Times.
>>94764000the story is acutally hillarious you see: w5 had the hillariously stupid idea to remove tribes from all real life cultures and history for the sake of political correctness which is why they changed the names of the native american tribes, but they wanted to keep the name fianna because according to achilli "it's just a word" which as i understand is for irish on the level of the agronauts is just a word or the knight of the rountable is just a namewhich blew up in his face because it made him look like a major hypocrite who was simultaneously appropriating and denying the very existance of irish culture and the irish themselves weren't treated all that well historically and some even still consider themselves still suppressed and some would even say conquered by the english dominated british so he opened that entire can of worms (although i assume most people who got mad at him where just the usual twitter crowd) and invited the whole "can you be racist against white people tho?" twitter crowd into the space of a project that was already facing backlash and ridicule because it was wod5 and traced all of it's art. so the name got changed the minute he was out of the door for totally unrelated reason! you see he just wanted to go in the middle of the project to work for a indie game company that hasn't produced anything yet and deleted his twitter shortly after because he needed a breath of fresh air
>>94764233Wow. Four in a row.Thanks for the explanation, I was missing the context there. I knew bits and pieces of the story, but missed some crucial stuff, specifically the parts about Achilli. Damn, man. That's all surreal. Super fucked up not in the sense of "sensibilities" or being just or whatever. It seems like every decision Paradox takes regarding the World of Darkness stems from trauma (Chechenya, BL2's cancellation-that-wasn't-a-cancellation etc) and leads to even more traumatic experiences. It really is a Snowball of Bad.The more I uncover about the whys and the hows the more I am sure that this franchise (authors, fans, bean counters, everyone) needs to go through Therapy. And take a saltwater bath too. Some praying wouldn't hurt either. Fuck, man.
>>94761213there is a bit more nuanche in this like they can't be redeemed in the "turn back into angels" sense while being earthbounds but the earthbound book featured one who loved the native american fisher villiage that summoned him so much that he wondered if god had forgiven him and he only turned evil when he woke up again and saw that his people been wiped out while he was asleepso earthbound can be "nice" on the level of a somewhat benevolent pagan god under the right circumstances
>>94764233>>94764299>which blew up in his face because it made him look like a major hypocrite who was simultaneously appropriating and denying the very existance of irish culture and the irish themselves weren't treated all that well historically and some even still consider themselves still suppressed and some would even say conquered by the english dominated british so he opened that entire can of worms (although i assume most people who got mad at him where just the usual twitter crowd)Conspiracy theory time: the reason they do the Irish like this is because they organized into a proper army to blow the angloids up until they left instead of being quietly suppressed forever and they want to sweep that under the rug.
>>94763833Temporary Common sense merit.
Funny how the last time WoDg touched on this subject we were also graced with serial checks.In any case, we've finally hit Page 8.Next thread is about Magical Creatures in the World of Darkness, as promised here >>94746337.If someone has a suggestion on which image to use, that'd be much appreciated. I can't seem to find any decent urban-setting-magical-creature that isn't AI generated (a problem I'm afraid will only get worse in the future).And I refuse to use a reference to the Warner Brothers British movie franchise spin-off with the catchy name, even if it is very fitting.
>>94764450But Achili is Italo-American, like Brucato.
>>94764474how about the cover of the bygone bestiary? or would that be too on the nose?
>>94764499>checkedIt's better than anything else I've found so far. The best option I've found so far that isn't generative AI is pic related. Lots of orcs and lizarpeople and werewolves and elves and whatnots but nothing that says "magical animal" like someone riding a unicorn down a street (best I could find in that particular category was someone riding a unicorn by the beach).
>>94764499>>94764523Nevermind, I found something half-decent.
New bread:>>94764555>>94764555>>94764555
>>94764117Thanks, GodMachine!
>>94764573Holy Infrastructure blessed our next thread with trips. May it be free of trolls and other such pests.
>>94763065 >Also the Mokole, who have access to literally every Gift and Rite everNot anymore, the (cooler) mokole saw to that.>>94761517There is at least one scelsti in every thread I've ever posted in
