Previous: >>94750335>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ:If you could add a tribe to another color, what would you add and why?>hard mode: no red faeries
>>94756343>If you could add a tribe to another color, what would you add and why?green vampires
>>94756310>fairies don't fit in with goblins and devilsOf course they do. I'll just fucking repeat myself since that's what you want.In traditional folklore AND the lore MtG writes, faeries are impulsive emotional creatures with sadistic streaks. These are red qualitiesI'm not saying that faeries should never be blue, I am responding to color pie faggots who oppose 1 (ONE) (i) (SINGULAR) rakdos faerie commander on the basis that "faeries can't be red">>94756351>it means the support for it doesn't exist and isn't in the designOh fuck off. Do you think you're funny? Do you think you are the haha meme troll man puppetmaster just because you can lie about what has actually been posted in a thread?
Gay Bolas
>>94756375i largely agree with this, a rakdos faerie makes more sense than an esper one. what the fuck do faeries have to do with white?
black anglels>but some of them already existYou know I mean first class supportMost of those are multicolor anyway. Fuck orzov with a rusty poker.
REAL TQ: draw you general or your mother dies in her sleep tonight
You do have a voltron deck so you can play without using your brain while you doomscroll in your phone, right, /edhg/?
>>94756395There are some faerie archetypes that make sense for the more caring and protective idea of faeries, but honestly I would say white faeries are probably the weakest in flavor.In my view the bottom line is that faeries have not historically been, nor should they be limited to particular colors. Everyone crying and slitting their wrists over the color pie are completely retarded. Faeries have touched every part of the pie, and at any time WwotC could just lean into the more malicious nature of faeries and print more in red. Saying that they haven't done so yet therefore they can't is the lowest of low IQ arguments.
>>94756420Did Seto Kaiba try to stop anyone else collecting copies of Ardenn? What the fuck happened to your card?
>>94756455i got into a fight with my gf and she ripped it, later she fixed with using tape
>>94756479Kek. Is the BPD pussy worth it anon?
>>94756479did she just get mad, go into your collection, and rip a card?absolutely bonkers
With Cruise and Dig Through Time likely heading for tier 3/4 with fetches being in tier 1, what are some good replacements for them in a spellslinger deck (or just a deck with generally high instant/sorcery density)?My current crackpot choices are:>Drawn From Dreams>Eagle Vision
>>94756484bonkers pussy disorder
I thought this card was completely overpowered until I played it and my opponent just let me draw cards...
>>94756490Huh? What's wrong with just running Cruise and Dig Through Time? It's not like them being placed in a "tier" magically makes your existing deck stronger
>>94756482yes, she even plays precon games with me now too>>94756484exactly that, i found it impressive that she knew that ardenn was the commander
>>94756508Casting preordain every turn without spending a card is still pretty fucking busted
>>94756530Never met a BPD woman who wasn't into ageplay anon. Diapers will tame her lashing out and you can sit her down to play card games nicely
>>94756529I'd rather get ahead of the curve and not deal with "my deck is tier 1 except it has..." discussion because the average EDH player is a retard and forms pants-on-head takes like Coalition Victory being the same powerlevel as Flash because they're both banned.
>>94756508>my opponent just let me draw cards...Welcome to WHY it's great. It's a no lose scenario.
>>94756545Flash is going to be unbanned. You should pick up copies now while it's under a dollar because it's going to triple or quadruple in value after.
>>94756561I wouldn't put it past WotC to put Flash Hulk in tier 2 or some dumb shit but it's pretty obvious Cruise/Dig are going to get hit with fetches in tier 1.
>>94756545what? I'm not going to show up to commander tuesdays and suddenly these guys I've been playing with for years will say?"oh yeah your mono-blue deck, what tier is that in? Oh, tier 1? sorry we're doing tier 3 today"it's the same fucking deck
Just realized this card said life gained this turn not in that instance I was mostly going for looping low cost artifacts what are some fun bombs to cheat into play? I dont normally play artifact stuff and I already done looked at 500 cards thanks all!!
>>94756586The solution is to just have a fucking cEDH banlist and bring back "banned as commander"I don't know what retard thought up tiers and why months on we're still having to discuss how obviously terrible it would be
>>94756561so you watched that tolerian video too huh
>just spent $30 for proxies for 10k worth of cards>im able to get them all in the arts i prefer and some with cool old or futuresight frames that aren't normally possibleyay christmas
>>94756651the whole>le commander is le casual format we can't ban anything!!thing is over. Commander is the most popular way to play magic. It needs an aggressive banlist. Rhystic study should be banned for the exact same reason that jeweled lotus was banned (pacing), just as an example. Casualshitters can just ignore the banlist if they want
>>94756704Did he even mention Flash? I don't think he did.
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>>94756343What are some good graveyard recursion cards in Rakdos that can repeatedly recur?So far I have>Chainer, Nightmare Adept>Demon of Dark Schemes>Archpriest of Shadows>Terror of Towashi>Ancient Brass Dragon>Sheoldred, Whispering OneI need a couple more. Any ideas?
>>94756721>Rhystic study should be banned for the exact same reason that jeweled lotus was banned (pacing), just as an example.Lol you're such a sperg. I'm tired of this dance we do.I'm sorry Rhystic Study and Smothering Tithe hurt you so bad, but the solution isn't to ban a 100 card-long list of good cards.There are no cards currently legal in the format that they alone break the game. The issue is having access to all of them simultaneously. If someone runs Rhystic Study to make their jank pile viable, that is completely fine.All your idea will do is force all decks towards a median. You knee-cap all the powerful decks, but you also make weaker decks completely unplayable.This has been explained to you dozens of times by now and the fact you still push for this shit just because you had the bad fee-fees at a table is honestly psychotic.>>94756734>1min inSo he didn't actually say anything about Flash then?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94756751The only way to make blue not as blatantly powerful in CEDH is to somehow mitigate it's advantage in fighting on the stack, which means you either ban all of the free counterspells or you hurt blue's card advantage. Guess what two enchantments go in every single blue deck due to their ability to consistently generate massive amounts of card advantage?You don't play the game.
>TQred fae- i mean,So what I would actually do is add Black to Kavu. Main reason is now on Dominaria, Multani is more chill with Urborg shit thanks to Muldrotha etc. Plot aside, I'd really like a Dune-Brood colored Kavu legendary that sorta pulls in all the Kavu in a way that is more distinct than "all kavu have X" or "all kavu get +x/+x" etc. I'd prefer if, due to the color disparity within Kavu, it instead granted a keyword to each color of Kavu instead.Red Kavu get Haste, Green Kavu get Trample, White Kavu get Lifelink/Vigilance (either or, not both), and Black Kavu get Deathtouch. Print a few more Kavu with some interesting colors attached, and boom you've got a shitty meme tribe having some decent support. It's a little cringe, but I prefer it over bog-standard 5 color slop.For a point of reference, this is really adding 2 colors as Kavu are almost exclusively Red/Green with 2 of them featuring Black (Firescreamer and that other one that self-buffs) and the one Naya one that has white.You could also replace the keywords with just giving old classic Landwalk for whatever color they are because it's old Dominaria stuff. If you did, I'd say give all Kavu Domain - +1/+1 so you have to play varied landtypes.
>>94756721I’m fine with an aggressive banlist for competitive EDH, but just make it explicit that casual tables should ignore it, so I don’t have spergs complaining about not following the god-given banlist to the letter
>>94756751>All your idea will do is force all decks towards a medianhttps://edhrec.com/topthe median already exists, retard. rhystic is in THIRTY PERCENT of all blue decks. a card that is $60 is in thirty percent of all decks
>>94756413fuck you I love my mom
>>94756343Id like to see a planar chaos kind of set that just gives all the colors iconic creature types to their enemy colors
>>94756744Gravecrawler, Netherlands Traitor and Reassembling Skeleton are great if you have some triggers for on death or on removal from Graveyard.Plus gives you some early game stuff to throw out.
>>94756622Lotus petal
>>94756824>a card that is $60 is in thirty percent of all decksSounds like poorfag crying to meI pulled a Rhystic Study in a $5 pack of Wilds of Eldraine. Maybe you should try that???
>>94756363>Instead of becoming undead the vampiric curse regresses you into a blood thirsty man ape
>>94756824>>94756721>a card that is $60 is in thirty percent of all decksFuck you I didn't waste working over a summer back in school to buy several useless boxes of prophecy to have you retarded crybabies be mad at the current cost because the card is good. Sorry not sorry I have 40+ copies of it.
>>94756791Look man, deciding that core game mechanics were going to belong to particular colors was poor game design. It always was, and it still is.Cramming green with ramp, letting black pay for shit with life. It inherently advantages those colors in a way that can never be symmetric.But crying about this shit because blue touched you in your no-no place is utterly pathetic. If you don't like the game, just don't play. It's that easy.
>>94756343>tqI want more white dragons for more boros dragon. There's only 20
>>94756833That would probably have to be an Un set because you can't really let those cards go into general circulation, as fun as I think the idea is.
What is the thinking man's commander?
>>94756856>>94756868you faggots are missing the point, the card is that expensive because it's overpowered and gamebreaking
>>94756791>make blue not as blatantly powerful in CEDHcEDH sucks and it's inherently unbalanced. Trying to balance it is stupid because it iwll just rotate to whatever next is unbalanced.
>>94756861KINO
>>94755063>MayWho would? I can't think of any scenario where this would be advantageous?
>>94756887>overpowered and gamebreakingIt's only overpowered because people don't pay (1).
>>94756887I mean...it's not.Sol Ring is the best ramp in the entire game because it nets you +1, it is also $1.50 because it's been printed into the dirt.Doubling Season was once a $90 card, but after a few reprints it's down to $30.The single determinant of cost is scarcity. Even powerful or desirable cards come down in price the more they're printed.
>>94756898would it stop combat or instants? i'm not familiar with the rules to know how it would work
>Friend who plays kinnan>Okay I pass turn>Okay, at the start of your turn I untap everything because of seedborn muse (or other such effects) and start vomiting onto my board with his ability 16 times.This... doesn't seem how a turn order should actually work...
>>94756909>single determinant of cost is scarcitythis nigga forgot about demand
>>94756917Just play a board wipe and laugh.
>>94756922The demand is implicit in them being strong cards.
>>94756856>bragging about liking games where you pay 50 bucks for cardboardWhales are so funny. I bet you think paying for sex is status too.
>>94756925Dude has like 10 counters in his deck. Its pretty hard to board wipe him.
>>94756845I mean stuff that recurs other creatures. I intend to discard bigger creatures and then pull them out at a later time.
>>94756917This only becomes a problem if he swings at you. Use kinnan to draw hate from other players, then board wipe once he's wasted his counters or mana on their shit.
>>94756898being able to exile the stack at instant speed can be very powerful. opponents just need to know that they can basically avoid something catastrophic by asking if i want to use obeka on their turn.>>94756910it will completely just end the turn and go into end step triggers and clean up, yes.
>>94756343>TQHow about mono white demons?
>>94756941So, what happens I say, cast a spell. Someone counters it, and I say, Nah. I end the turn? I lose the spell, but they lose their counter too?
>>94756962pretty much yeah. both spells get exiled, their effects get exiled.
>>94756962Spells are removed from the stack yes
If cards like Rhystic Study and smothering tithe should eat a ban cards like doubling season should too. Actually doubling season is a really fucked up it's just do green stuff ×2 imagine if the other colors had a respective doubling season
>>94756970>imagine if the other colors had a respective doubling seasonTeferi's Ageless Insight exists
>>94756939>This only becomes a problem if he swings at youNah. not really. Like tonight he ruined someone's turn because he did all this shit before the person even drew and one of the creature's he vomited out was void winnower and the player who's turn it was couldn't do anything because everything in hand was even.He also had some creature that hed shit with etb triggers, I can't remember the named, some mammoth that deals damage equal to its power everything he etbs something so he was essentially board wiping everyone before they got to draw because he was holding prio.
>>94756970>magine if the other colors had a respective doubling seasonHowdy.I don't think white can double counters, but they can double tokens with a lot of cards.
>>94756343>no red fairieskekI would add werewolves to white then we can play rule of law effects
>>94756931I didn't spend 50 bucks, I spent 5. Are you okay anon? Do you need your glasses???
>>94756970You're right champ, I agree to these terms. Let's ban Doubling Season and Rhystic Study.
>>94756970>Actually doubling season is a really fucked upOh no no no lmaoBuddy doubling season is a noob trap. It's overcosted for what it does and there are cheaper (in mana and price) alternatives that will do aspects of what it does that are more tailored to your specific deck.
>>94756982Anon the guy is pubstomping, remind him Kinnan is for CEDH and that you're not playing CEDH.
>>94756883I don't see the issue it's not like we don't already have white vampires, white zombies, black angels, blue dragons, ect
>>94756999anyone want to put together a /EDHG/ banlist with me? reply to this post to add your pick to the list>rhystic study>doubling season
>>94756980A blue doubling season would be more like copying every spell you cast and doubling your draws
>>94756931It literally always has been and probably always willIt's unironic midwit cope to imply otherwise
>>94757014>"Nah, my deck isn't cedh because I can't go infinite turn 2."No one else cares, so I can't rule 0 him in my play group.
>>94757019Yeah but there's some logic to that. Wizards wanted those colors to apply to their version of those creatures.I'd say the only one there that's an actual color break is white zombies because they made a plane where that was the norm.White vampires exist because of the Orzhov guild, and black angels exist because of the idea of fallen angels and angels of vengeance etc etc etcBlue dragons are kind of inevitable since Izzet is one of Wizard's favorite "enemy" pairs- to the extent that they don't even fucking feel like enemies anymore.What you're asking for is deliberate color breaks for everything, which is not something they could allow to be legal in all formats because it would upset too much of the game's structure.Imagine if they printed boros ninjas for example. Do they keep ninjutsu? Are boros aggro decks all suddenly gonna have fucking ninjutsu synergies?
>>94757027atraxa. it's the ultimate tryhard pubstomper card. the ultimate faggot card. the quintessential "i'm in platinum league but i think i'm in masters league" card.
>>94756989That's a suped up half of doubling seasonI'm talking about something that literally every white deck just does and doubles it
>>94757039Sounds like you're just the group scrub and you'll be complaining about someone else stomping your balls next game
>>94756343>TQBlack cats. It never felt right to me for them being overwhelmingly in white.
>>94757064>red doubling season>whenever you deal direct damage to a creature, double itgood lord
>>94757066Nah. I'm actually the only one who can give him a run for his money, everyone else plays precons. Its just enraging to wait 6 minutes or more on my turn to actually take my turn which is why I asked if he was doing it incorrectly. If he is, then I can't do anything else about it.
>>94757082Double the damage? That exists.
>>94757060I think you care a hell more about the color pie than Wotc does they break the pie all the time
>>94757099How is that pic a pie break?
>>94757097>this isn't even a top #500 commanderwhat the fuck? how is that even po->7 manaoh
>>94757027ban thoracle>>94757061ignore this anon he sucks cocks
>>94757082There are multiple cards that triple all damage you do.
>>94757108There are other cards like that, I just posted the first off the top of my head. Here's an enchantment since doubling season is an enchantment.
>>94756791I hate this faggot so fucking much with his nonsensical ramblings and "you dont play the game" one liners. Bitch I play monoblue in cedh and it's objectively weaker than multicolour piles to an absurd extent. I still win because I know how to pilot my deck better than some numpty that googled and proxied a list, but every single game I'm at a huge disadvantage. And to top it off, the best draw engine in the format is fucking colourless. I hope you step on a rake.
>>94756917Seedborne muse is a removal check card, if you don't have removal for it before the end step you might as well concede
>Living Plane is a $200 reserve list cardDammit, I wanted to commit some serious war crimes.
>>94757027ban all 3, 4, and 5 color cards
>>94757146Always proxy reserve list cards
>>94757146Nature's Revolt
>>94757012You act like the green player doesn't consistently have 5 mana by turn 3
>>94757151That's not the issue, it's going out of the way to play a card like that. If it was $30 it would fall under jank, but at $200 it's just a dick move, proxy or real.>>94757158And problem solved. Thanks Anon!
post your maindeck power levelhttps://edhpowerlevel.com/
>>94757164I'm not saying it's unplayable, are you fucking retarded?I'm saying that in 99.9999% of decks you actually only want to double one of the things that Doubling Season can double, and there are lower cost cards that will double those things for you.Doubling Season is a noob trap because new players don't know about these alternatives and go spending $30 on a card to use only part of its effect.
>>94756874If you didn't have colors associated with particular mechanics, what would be the point of colors?
>>94757193>9.9999% of decks you actually only want to double one of the things that Doubling Season can double,what if i'm playing a black green tribal deck with banners and coat of arms, what now
>>94756874blue still has control and to-hand removal but mono green is now better at drawing cards than mono blue
>>94757196The colors should revolve around playstyle and not core mechanics.Landfall being green = goodGreen being absurd ramp = badEvery color needs to ramp. If you make it one colors thing, then any pair that has access to green is better than a non-green color on its own>inb4 how would landfall work without ramp!?!Not really the point I'm trying to make, but the answer is flicker lands.
>>94756824>30% of all blue decks>30% of all decks
>Have to explain to the red player for the 9000th time, their lands they exiled off the top of their library, can't be played because they already played a land earlier in the turn.
>>94757213That seems like a very tenuous distinction that is doomed to fall apart. Does your suggestion mean that no other color can get benefits from playing lands?
>>94757103Should have been w/u/g not u/b/g
>>94757268wtf are you talking aboutEnter tapped has been a monoblack effect since before you were born
>>94757271i entered your house and tapped your monoblack mom last night
>>94757266Other colors would not have landfall, no.I don't see how this is tenuous or doomed. It's literally how keywords were intended to work- for a time at least.I really don't even know what to say because you haven't articulated any problems. It is just objectively good game design, if you are going to have factions and playstyles then you make them revolve around pay offs rather than set ups. Once you start making core mechanics the domain of a faction you create a very asymmetrical game.And some games deliberately aim for asymmetry, but it means there are optimal builds because a particular faction just has more of a basic game mechanic than other factions.
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>>94757287all colors should have access to all effects and abilities, but green for example should have 95% of all landfall prints. this is basically how it works now. nothing is exclusive to a color but the volume of printing encourages playstyles in each color domain
>>94757186Better than I thought.
>>9475719399.9999% of decks you actually only want to double one of the things that Doubling Season can doubleAre you retarded? You have commanders in the top 100 on edhrec that very much care about both sides of doubling season not to mention almost every single super friends deck.
>>94757301>all colors should have access to all effects and abilities, but green for example should have 95% of all landfall prints. this is basically how it works now.Yeah it's not good.The more you overlap play styles the more WUBRG just becomes the objectively correct way to play
>>94757296Interesting thing to note. This was for an Imotekh deck that's about recurring artifacts. Strangely enough it lowered my score when I swapped out Read The Bones for Diresight, which I would argue is a direct upgrade for the deck.
>>94757333>99.9999% of decks you actually only want to double one of the things>You have commanders in the top 100 on edhrec that very much care about both sidesAre you...are you retarded?
>>94757186Nice
>>94757336so you think blue should only have access to counter
>>94757186I'd like to put my Varina, Lich Lord deck into here but I don't have the decklist written out anywhere and I really don't want to go through it and type it all out right now.
>>94757186the deck i play at cedh pods lmao
>>94757349No, holy fuck you can't actually be this stupid.As I already fucking said here: >>94757213>The colors should revolve around playstyle and not core mechanics.>The colors should revolve around playstyle and not core mechanics.>The colors should revolve around playstyle and not core mechanics.Countering spells is a fucking core mechanic.What I'm saying is that all colors would have effective counterspells, but then blue would get additional bonuses when they counter things. That way you can make blue the control and counter color without just giving them the cheapest and best counter spells.
>>94757364landfall is a core mechanic. do you think only white should have access to lifegain?
>>94757375Fucking christ. You don't understand the difference.Playing lands per turn is the core mechanic, landfall is the playstyle. I don't fucking care if maybe Wizards R&D refer to keywords as mechanics, it's fucking irrelevant to the conversation at hand- if it's even the case.
>>94757271I'm 2 years older than magic actually, and Hitting all creatures indiscriminately is whites domain black doesn't tap your opponents creatures it's just has a bunch a creatures that enter tapped
>>94757186https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6784257#paperI'm not convinced of any of this.
>>94757186Legitimately baffled by the playability being so low, since I've never encountered any issue on that front.
>>94757027Craw Wurm this card is too fucking complicated and always beats me with its overloaded effect.
>>94757287>It is just objectively good game designLets say that you're right, and the game is now designed in this way. If I decide that I want a deck that revolves around its lands, I'll make a 5-color deck because all the payoffs that I want to use are in all of the colors. If I want to make a deck that gains life and has payoffs for gaining life, I'll have to make a 5-color deck. If you scatter all of the game mechanics into all of the colors, then every deck will need all five colors to properly interact with a game mechanic. The game already has a problem with 5-color goodstuff piles, but putting everything into every color would make it much worse. You talk about "playstyles" without articulating what that means, and then insist that each color should be pidgeon holed into a particular play style without saying how to do that while giving every color equal access to every game mechanic. What is the difference between saying "Burn is a Red thing" and "Red is an Burn thing"? How do you make that happen without giving the best burn cards to red and chasing your tail all the way back to where we started?
>>94757411You're technically right but it's only an issue if you're a faggot
>>94757287If only green could get benefits from lands, how would you do a set like Zendikar where every color benefits from lands?
>>94757186Nice! It's a six!
>>94757186https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6805614#paperRan one of my other ones and it seems to think I have two commanders because "The Gitrog Monster" is a legal commander too. I wonder if that affects the score.This feels like placebo anyway though. At least the mana curve analysis is useful if nothing else.
>>94757027>RhysticAlso Mystic Remora>Doubling SeasonAlso Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider (FUCK planeswalkers ulting when they enter)
>>94757404> Playability looks at each non-land card and uses your mana base to calculate the compound probability that you will draw enough lands on curve while drawing the correct color producers to play that card. The average of these numbers shows how playable your deck is as a whole. A low score might mean that you should improve your mana base. Currently non-land producers, fetches and similar lands are considered, however, mana fixing ramp spells are not. This figure is not used in the calculation of power level and is to provide deck insight only.maybe this is it?
>>94757411That is the literal inverse of the point. We already live in a world where WUBRG is king because colors lay claim to core mechanics like draw and ramp, meanwhile playstyles like landfall have been spread too widely.If all colors could ramp but only green had landfall triggers, you wouldn't fucking play WUBRG for your landfall deck, you'd just play green.>What is the difference between saying "Burn is a Red thing" and "Red is an Burn thing"? How do you make that happen without giving the best burn cards to red and chasing your tail all the way back to where we started?Already fucking answered this. >>94757364>Countering spells is a fucking core mechanic.>What I'm saying is that all colors would have effective counterspells, but then blue would get additional bonuses when they counter things. That way you can make blue the control and counter color without just giving them the cheapest and best counter spells.>>94757414>how would you do a set like Zendikar where every color benefits from lands?Wouldn't, and nothing of value would be lost.
>>94757413And what is a "faggot" in this case? If you put card draw into every color and counterspells into every color and board wipes into every color, I'm going to play every color if I want to play a control deck. How do you make blue the color of control playstyles in this example?
>>94757431>colors lay claim to core mechanics like draw and ramp, meanwhile playstyles like landfall have been spread too widely.wtf are you talking about?? all colors have RAMP
>>94757436>How do you make blue the color of control playstylesAre you living in an alternate universe where magic the gathering doesn't exist? You're theory crafting a game that is already fucking real, we can just look at how they solved it. Blue gets more counterspells and cheaper counterspells. Wow that was fucking easy. Now blue is control because they can play 5 counterspells in a turn whereas another color can play one or two
>>94757439>all colors have RAMPBWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
>>94757431Landfall is a keyword, not a playstyle. Besides, if you give other "lands matter" keywords to other colors, you devolve back into WUBRG piles. If you only give "lands matter" effects to green, then we're right back to where we started.
>>94757447>We fix the problem I'm complaining about by doing it the way they're already doing it
>>94757431>sets can't have mechanical themes because that would intrude into color identities too much>because we've given all mechanics to all colorsYou're creating more problems than you're solving.
>>94757186https://youtu.be/ln1S4uWghz0?si=-Oja14AgvbZEYoW2
>>94757462>le precon face
>>94757469It isn't a precon
i'll be honest i have no idea what this faggot is talking about it's like he's from a bizarro dimension where inverse magic the gathering exists and he's been transported into our universe seconds before opening this thread
>>94757472spit it out, what's your commander
>>94757449sol ring
>>94757451>andfall is a keyword, not a playstyleI seriously don't give a flying fuck what words you or Wizards attribute to it, the fundamental fucking point I am making is that there are things that are core mechanics of the game:>drawing cards>casting spells>countering spells>playing landsAnd moreAnd then there are playstyles that reward you for doing those things>landfall>draw triggers>cast triggersIt is bad design to attribute core mechanics to particular colors. Because then that color is just the best for playing lands, the best for drawing etc.It creates a level of asymmetry that is completely insurmountable and makes WUBRG the objectively best way to play so you don't fuck yourself out of something that is core to playing the game.Good design would be assigning play styles to the colors that reward them for doing the core mechanics rather than just giving them more of the core mechanics.Call it whatever the fuck you want, it doesn't matter so long as you grasp the fucking distinction.>if you give other "lands matter" keywords to other colors, you devolve back into WUBRG pilesNOT IF OTHER COLORS DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING "LANDS MATTER" CARDS YOU BACKWARDS SPASTIC>>94757447>Blue gets more counterspells and cheaper counterspells. Wow that was fucking easyCongratulations, you're contributing to bad fucking design by just giving one color more of something that all colors need instead of rewarding them for it instead.
Stories of dudes who got banned from the LGS?I'll start >Autistic dude (spoke with him, he actually was diagnosed as autistic)>Plays only shit like theft or "take control of opponent" and shit like that >Had the greasiest hands imaginable >freaked out whenever a player was thinking for a while during their turn >Always had a bad reaction to any removal tossed his way>Kicked out after nearly flipping a table when someone Counterspelled his Craterhoof
>>94757488I can't shame my commander like that anon, look at that score. He'd never recover.
I recently discovered some absolutely DEVILISH technology but I'm not going to share it w you
Where is the rule that prevents this? Neither cards show up on Gatherer. I want to do it for the meme. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6852143#paper
>>94757481>one Do The Thing per turn, costs mana and an additional card to set upnice 2009 card
>>94757498>day after recent bans>anon goes into the LGS with his Mana Crypt>sits at the table>plays it>owner comes over>"ummmm akshually that card is banned now">anon doesn't give a fuck>neither does the rest of the table>"ummmmm we're a WPN store, you can't use banned cards here no matter what your playgroup agrees to!!!!">anon continues his game>owner is hyperventilating>threatens to call the cops>anon says go right ahead>cops rush to the scene with their lights on>kick in the door>guns pointed at anon>anon tries to explain>cops won't hear it>"long live the rules committee">put a bullet right between anon's eyesVery sad story
>>94757495>All colors should have [mechanic]>Only specific colors should have [mechanic payoff]Congratulations, I am now playing all five colors to fuel my green land payoff deck instead of playing green to fuel my five color land payoff deck.
>>94757495>It creates a level of asymmetry that is completely insurmountable and makes WUBRG the objectively best way to play so you don't fuck yourself out of something that is core to playing the game.again, retard, we live in a world where magic the gathering already exists. the top commander cEDH decks are not 5 color. one of the top commanders is fucking monored. clearly it's not an issue and your theorycrafting falls apart
>>94757520anon I'm sorry your mana crypt went down in value but you gotta let go
>>94757517theyre the same card
>>94757517The rule is that they're different arts of the same card
Interesting card
>>94757186>input my 4 decks I think are fun>each one is between 7.1 - 7.6Well huh at least I'm consistent
>>94757528Congratulations you are getting a fraction of the value for playing lands for every non-green card you run.It's shocking that people as retarded as you are allowed to walk free.>>94757530>the top commander cEDH decks are not 5 color.2 of the top 10 are 5 color and 5 of the top 10 have green. Gee why is green so overrepresented at the top? Could it be that all decks need ramp and green has not only the most but also the best ramp???? I fucking wonder.
>>94757481Way to weak
>>94757533>>94757536That's not usually how it works though. There exist lots of cards that were given new names for certain printings, and the real card's name is in a tiny box under the new printing's fake name. Here are a few examples. But that doesn't seem to be the case with these two there isn't a box indicating it's the same card under a new name. So is there a rule written somewhere I can read for clarification.
>>94757549What the fuck are people doing to make decks like this? I can only assume it's infinite combos and generic win cons. Wincons are always the part of deckbuilding that I bother with the least and all my decks are rated around 5
>>94757555it'll probably shoot up by at least a point and a half if you fix your lands and add in manarocks, that's how mine went from a 5 to a 6.5
>>94757553>201.3. Some cards with different English names are treated as though they had the same English name. Pairs of cards with this property have names that are interchangeable.>201.4g Some cards have interchangeable names (see rule 201.3). For all game purposes, these cards have the same name. If a player chooses the name of a card which has interchangeable names, the name of each of those cards has been chosen.>213.1d Some cards with interchangeable names include information about a specific version of a card with that interchangeable name. See rule 201.3.they are the same card with interchangeable names
>>94757553Why on earth would you need clarification you can have one of each card in commander
>>94757481No one would ever bother to grab the equip to transform this. It's a tutor to the battlefield tutor for a legendary equipment in 4c that's all that matters. You grab shadowspear, blackblade, embercleave, excalibur, drach'nyen, elbrus or whatever the fuck straight to play from the CZ. You're in blink colors to grab multiple equipment every turn or reanimate arthas if he dies to find more stuff. This is a horrible design, why would arthas ever want to be the lich king when he's absolutely shitting swag equipment all over the table and breaking skulls doing it?
>>94757551>a fraction of the valueThat's only the case if I cut payoff cards to have more enablers. If this hypothetical MTG is similar to regular MTG, then there are more payoffs than I can fit into one deck and I will have the same land/ramp/payoff ratio. The difference is that now I have to run five colors in order to have enough good ramp spells and my mana base is hell. If I choose to go mono-green, I'll have to include shit ones to fill out the ramp.
>>94757186Hmmm spicy me gusta
>>94757027FUCK fierce guardianshipFoW is fine since it pitches
Is this considered damage from a red source or a colorless source?
>>94757606lands are typically colorless
>>94757600post list
>>94757613https://moxfield.com/decks/vjb9SC2ELUyVPa97LIQtMg
>>94757606i don't get this card why would you want to burn your own land? consistent damage for combo with another card?
>>94757620you burn your opponents lands anon.
>>94757619>3 basic lands>mfw
>>94757624oh
>>94757599I think you're extremely confused. Do you have the flu or a head injury or something? Maybe overtired?You keep talking about this as if it's something that suddenly every color is going to have access to every playstyle when this is the exact fucking inverse of what I'm saying.All colors will have an equal amount of ramp of similar quality.There will not be a color that has the best ramp.Instead colors will have payoffs for game actions.Green (and only green) will have landfall triggers. If you want to play a landfall deck then the only logical place to do so will be green. If you want to play a bit of everything, then you can still WUBRG, but your deck will run like shit because it's trying to do too many things. Like for example, you think this is somehow going to be a goodstuff pile, but congrats idiot your hand is a mix of death triggers and counterspell triggers that don't fucking synergize and you don't actually have any counterspells in hand to begin with.Instead, if you want counterspells to buff your cards or give you other advantages like untapping stuff, you have to fucking play blue because that is the color that rewards you for counterspelling, instead of being the color that just gives you a bunch of cheap and overpowered counterspells
>>94757619ghost quarter looping sends its regards
>>94757624>>94757626>landsWhere we're going we dont need lands
>>94757186Lads I think I cooked with this one.
>>94757647How many infinite combos anon?
>>94757647>tipping point: 0woah mama
>>94757186>8 replies omitting their commandersLET ME SEE WHAT YOU'RE PLAYING YOU DUMB FUCKS
>>94757652Zero
>>94757555Wdym? Like what?I didn't have infinite combos and only a few wincon cards
>>94757660Lel he cracked the code
>That one narcissistic shitter who complains about how badly he wants any good card banned>He isnt talking about the actual power of the card but he is instead constantly talking about how much the good cards costIts crazy how telling it is based on these characteristics alone he is a poor person with a crab mentality.If you are reading this bro you should unironically stop posting here and go to reddit.I mean this in a literal sense but also in an insulting way.
fuck yyour shitty as "power level" rate website, your braindead decklist processor wont process my decks without the custom categories being removed- waste of time
>>94757632You bet I'm confused. If you want every color to have access to everything but certain colors get to do it better, then we already have that. You also still haven't explained what you mean when you talk about "playstyles".
>>94757680All I had to do with mine was manually move the commander to the top of the list.
>>94757520im from the southern hemisphere and recently moved to canada. holy fuck evryone here cries about card legality, back home at our LGS hobbit holes you can play proxies (seen some really shitty ones) and essentially anything you like provided the other players agree with itive never seen someone be so upset about a silver bordered commander or banned cards lmao
>>94757681>If you want every color to have access to everything but certain colors get to do it better, then we already have that.AHHHHHHHHHHH ARE YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE?THE ENTIRE POINT IS THAT NO COLOR WILL "DO IT BETTER"THEY'LL ALL DO IT THE FUCKING SAMETHATS THE POINTTHATS THE POINT THATS THE POINTTHEN COLORS WILL BE REWARDED FOR USING PARTICULAR MECHANICS INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING MORE OF THE PARTICULAR MECHANICUNDERSTAND THE FUCKING DIFFERENCETHE GAME WE HAVE NOW JUST SAYS "LANDS ARE THE GREEN THING, SO WE'LL GIVE GREEN CARDS THAT LETS THEM PLAY MORE LANDS"THAT IS SHITIT IS BADTHE GAME I'M IMAGINING SAYS "LANDFALL TRIGGERS WILL BE THE GREEN THING BUT WE AREN'T GOING TO PRINT CARDS THAT JUST LET YOU PLAY MORE LANDS PER TURN- OR AT THE VERY LEAST IF WE DO PRINT THEM WE WON'T JUST FUCKING GIVE THEM TO GREEN"
Fuck the rules committee lol
>>94757693all this ranting could’ve been summed up as “I don’t think it’s fair that green gets “play an additional land this turn” cards”. All this high minded talk about game design just boils down to seethe over losing to a landfall deck, lmfao. You haven’t even once mentioned another example other than this land thing
>>94757547cool, putting this into the feather I'm building
>>94757715Aaaaand you're at the petty insults "you're just mad because you lost to a deck" stageI accept your concession you massive retard. Landfall was just an example, the point is and always has been that core mechanics like getting to play fucking lands, getting to draw fucking cards, and getting to remove fucking cards should not be the domain of any one color. Everyone needs to do those things. They need to do them equally. If they do them unequally then the game is irreparably asymmetrical. This is bad design.
>>94757693
Does anyone have any secret tech for Feather, The Redeemed voltron type build?
>>94757726well clearly not or else all of the top cEDH decks would be green. And not even cEDH for that matter, green would be dominating every format, which is clearly not true
>>94757730>5CMC>old as shit>bounces the fucker back to handYeah cool, this is not the same as every color having Rampant Growths and Farseeks which is the fucking point I'm making.>>947577385 of the top 10 commanders on EDHREC have fucking green in themAs for cEDH, lands matter a lot less because they're mostly using artifacts. Oh? What's that? Artifact commanders are very popular in cEDH? And blue is the defacto artifact color (other than colorless)? And blue is also the draw color? And the counterspell color? So a lot of cEDH decks have to run blue to be competitive?Well gee fuckin' golly, if it isn't exactly the point I'm making.
>>94757751way to bury the lede, look at cEDH decks and the percentage of decks without green is higher than the percentage with green
>>94757693How can every color do everything the same if each color has distinct payoffs? The moment you break symmetry, you end up with each color NOT having equal access to every game mechanic.You also still haven't explained what a "playstyle" is.
>>94757751post decklist
>>94757751>half of the top 10 commanders don't have green in themYou're just proving his point
*Stands up on the school lunch table and yells*RETARD FIGHT!!!!
>>94757765>look at cEDH decks and the percentage of decks without green is higher than the percentage with greenSee >>94757751>As for cEDH, lands matter a lot less because they're mostly using artifacts. Oh? What's that? Artifact commanders are very popular in cEDH? And blue is the defacto artifact color (other than colorless)? And blue is also the draw color? And the counterspell color? So a lot of cEDH decks have to run blue to be competitive?>Well gee fuckin' golly, if it isn't exactly the point I'm making.>>94757766>How can every color do everything the same if each color has distinct payoffs? The moment you break symmetry, you end up with each color NOT having equal access to every game mechanic.DRAWING CARDS IS A GAME MECHANICPLAYING LANDS IS A GAME MECHANICREMOVAL IS A GAME MECHANICCOMBAT IS A GAME MECHANICNO COLOR WILL HAVE MORE OF THESE THAN ANY OTHERTHEY WILL HAVE CARDS THAT TRIGGER WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN TO REWARD YOU FOR DOING THEM, ENCOURAGING YOU TO BUILD AROUND DOING THOSE THINGS INSTEAD OF JUST PRINTING BUSTED CARDS THAT LET YOU DO MORE OF THOSE THINGS>You also still haven't explained what a "playstyle" is.Yes I fucking have. >>94757495>>94757772>In a game with 5 colours, 1 color is in half of the most popular decks, but it's not in the other half so this is fine :)Pic related logic.
>>94757779
i play new beater
>>94757794>tee hee we just don't agree, your idea is bad!!!You've spent the last several hours actually NOT saying this and instead asking me what a "playstyle" is over and over again.How are you going to retcon the thread to say you were actually always disagreeing when you didn't even understand what you were supposedly disagreeing with?
>>94757789Y'know multicolor exists right? Black appears in 8/10.
>>94757802
>>94757800I don’t think you’ve realized that you’ve been arguing with at least 5 different people, some of who aren’t even engaged anymore
>open cEDH top16 commanders list>go to first commander with green in it>view deck that won the most recent tournament >no landfall or “play an additional land this turn” cards>mfw
>>94757809I don't think you've realized that I don't give a flying fuck. None of you retards have shown any understanding of my points. it's always>but we already assign mechanics to colors :)>what is a playstyle? :)>but if all colors have access to everything that's just WUBRG! :)You've shown literal ape intellect, all of you. Not a single fucking time have you actually engaged with the merits of the scheme I've described because you can't even get past understanding what it is I'm describing, no matter how many times it is explained to you
>>94757789So you're idea of a play style actually is to have a deck that does one particular thing a lot? No wonder you lost the game that started this shitshow. You also want cards that trigger off of game mechanics, but what are those triggers doing? Giving you cards? Gaining life? Getting lands? This breaks the elaborate symmetry you think is a good idea.
>>94757808anon have you ever heard of p-hacking?
>>94757808>anon plays guess who with commander traits and ends up with a smaller pool of commandersI guess white two drops are shit commanders because only giada, frodo, and sythis are in top 100! flawless logic
>>94757816>>go to first commander with green in it >>94757751 >As for cEDH, lands matter a lot less because they're mostly using artifacts. Oh? What's that? Artifact commanders are very popular in cEDH? And blue is the defacto artifact color (other than colorless)? And blue is also the draw color? And the counterspell color? So a lot of cEDH decks have to run blue to be competitive?>Well gee fuckin' golly, if it isn't exactly the point I'm making.
I didn’t realize how good we had it last thread with the red faeries argument
>>94757818>but what are those triggers doing? Giving you cards? Gaining life? Getting lands? This breaks the elaborate symmetry you think is a good idea.Gee, maybe I won't fucking use your shitty retard suggestion then and the symettry wont be broken???>+1/+1 counters>tap/untap>tutoring>additional triggers>skipping phases>producing mana>gaining keywords like doublestrikeAll things that can be given fucking symmetrically without just giving le green player le more lands or le blue player le more drawHonestly, you have absolute shit for brains. I'm amazed it doesn't leak out your fucking ears.
>>94757826These threads have the highest population of anons who think it's hilarious to prolong arguments by pretending not to understand things that have already been explained. So round and round it goes.
>>94757789bro you need to engage honestly if you want to get your point across
>>94757836He's not going to learn that his communication skills are dogshit, because his communication skills are so dogshit.
>>94757831so do you think faeries should be red or...?
>>94757838faeries are clearly purple
>>94757836>>94757837You're so convinced that you're trolling that you don't realize you're actually clinically retarded
>>94757838if faeries were red they'd be celtic folklore malicious, so wouldnt that make them mono black?
>>94757846
>>94757852NTA but come on man this is like the 4th time you've posted your shitty meme, it's never going to land
>>94757829All of your suggestions violate your own framework by giving certain colors better access to core gameplay mechanics.>+1/+1 countersAffects combat>tap/untapGives you mana>tutoringEven better than normal card draw>additional triggersImpossible to do unless the trigger card is colorless or WUBRG>skipping phasesPhases are DEFINITELY a core gameplay mechanic>producing manaSo is mana>gaining keywords like doublestrikeAffects combatWhat you want is a version of Magic where everything is colorless except for cards that have triggered abilities, which is really dumb.
faeries can be a little red, as a treat
>>94757873>violate your own framework by giving certain colors better access to core gameplay mechanics.>proceeds to then just say "affects X" over and over again instead of a single example of giving a color more access to a core mechanicI wouldn't even bother replying to the rest of your post but this shit in particular:>additional triggers>Impossible to do unless the trigger card is colorless or WUBRGMakes no fucking sense. I don't even know how far from this discussion your head has to be to say something like this. You're just bolstering the evidence that you're either deliberately saying nonsensical shit for (You)s or you really do have some sort of brain damage
Anyone know any commanders that have this vibe but aren’t this guy? I want to play a snow zombie deck but this guy forces me into a retarded play style
>Token player tries to make obvious game-winning play>Counterspell him>"I HATE BLUE, I CAN NEVER PLAY THE GAME WITH BLUE AT THE TABLE">Play my own token deck with no blue>"WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO THERE? YOUR BULLSHIT DECK JUST DREW A MILLION CARDS AND INSTAKILLED ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T DRAW TEFERI'S PROTECTION"What does this guy want?
>>94757903>I want to play a snow zombie deckThen play the snow zombie guy?
>>94757904To win.
>>94757911perfect thanks
>>94757894The "rest of my post" dumpsters your entire concept because that's what you're describing. You want every card that does something to be colorless and only cards that trigger off of things to have colors. You highlighted my "extra triggers" one because you thought it was stupid, but which color is going to get access to generic trigger doubling?
>>94757857dont care made me giggle
>>94757547>>94757721Once again I would like to stress how great the Assassin Creed set was because I feel like it was slept on by everyone here.
>>94757922Bro you have said literally nothing.You are conflating "affects a core mechanic" with "gives you more of a core mechanic" which is objectively not fucking true.If all colors have access to +1/+1 counters and the difference is how the obtain them, then this is not breaking symmetry by "affecting combat".Breaking symmetry would be giving additional fucking combats because the entire point is we're not going to give colors more of a core mechanic, we're going to give colors reasons to play around core mechanics.>You want every card that does something to be colorless and only cards that trigger off of things to have colors. Where? Where do I say this? Where have I fucking mentioned colorless?>but which color is going to get access to generic trigger doubling?ALL OF THEMLets say blue is just the "card draw" color. Fuck it.We'll have card A>Whenever you draw a card put a +1/+1 counter on [this creature]And now we have card B>If drawing a card would trigger up to 1 permanent you control, target that permanent, it's effect triggers an additional time.Where is the fucking colorless? Where is the WUBRG?The entire fucking point is that instead of just saying "blue is the card draw color so lets give it a bunch of cheap spells that draw lots of cards" we acknowledge that all the colors need to fucking draw cards, and making it cheaper and easier for one color creates an asymmetrical advantage that cannot be overcome by giving a different core mechanic (like lands per turn) to a different color.Instead, we'll give all the colors comparable card draw, but the blue colors will get their effect triggers from drawing and green will get them from landfall.And we can go further than that, but if I make this any more complicated you'll have a fucking aneurism- I just want to get inb4 so you don't say "durrrrrrr but each color only having one thing to trigger effects would be boring!!!!!!"
>>94757913I'm not gonna let him win when his strategy boils down to whining that he didn't.
>>94757969Idk sounds pretty high IQ to me
>>94757927The set seemed to get buried by Bloomburrow. Shame since there's definitely a couple cards in that set that I've found myself digging up and being impressed by.
I think I'm the only person who really liked Karlov Manor
>>94757973Dude I played fucking voltron against this guy and he malds that I put Winged Boots on my commander so he couldn't blow it up as easily like jesus christ.
>>94757186The fact it says Ancient Copper Dragon is higher impact than Niv-Mizzet, Parun is wild.
Would u be so kind and give me shit https://archidekt.com/decks/10269514
>>94756968They don't get exiled. They fizzle due to failing to resolve, but they go to the graveyard as normal.
So uh…the guy arguing against anon’s idea for rebalancing color symmetries legitimately just didn’t understand what he was suggesting and he’s gone silent since it clicked for him, huh?
>>94757186Is this a joke? I loaded in my japanese themed deck.. which is easily below precon level. I mean, this deck is horrendous. But I love it..You telling me this shit is nearly as good as my super voltron dog mauling even ur dragons?It doesn't even have a commander! https://archidekt.com/decks/9175441/weeb_stuffIt uses 2 partner commanders so I can get yore colors. It's a fucking mess. The deck is a PL 4 at best.
>>94757186Egh Ill take it. Could be worse for the amount o petcards.Site is talking shit that Mycosynth Golem is a no-impact card while nearly every creature is an artifact. An outrage. Also new captcha and account verifcation a shit.
>>94757186>https://edhpowerlevel.com/i cant get this to workit says it takes archidekt but when i put the link in it says theres no cards
>>94758214You need to go to Extras>Export>Copy
>someone plays Narset, Parter of Veils against my make everyone draw 6 cards a turn deckTime to cry.
>>94757186>Site that determines card impact by price
I have become a magic boomer. It's alright, kind of comfy to see set after set come out with no real upgrades for my deck.
>>94757186Here's your power 10 bro.https://edhpowerlevel.com/?d=1e100+Mox+Diamond~Z~
>>94756874I'm glad you have nothing to do with game design.>all colors should be good at everything and get everything!is the most retarded take I've seen popping up on these threads lately and that's saying something.You only think there's a problem because some colors (blue black) have identities that are over supported in commander while others (white red) have identities that are under supported or just don't translate well to commander.This is a problem with trying to design cards that can be used in wildly different formats. You can't print good red burn for commander because you would have to up the damage from 1 mana for 2-3 to 1 mana for 4-5 minimum and that would bust open 60c formats. You can however print blue/black identity cards without much disruption because things like card draw and removal are equally good at Commander and Standard tables without needing to be jimmied. The extremely simple solution would be to make true commander exclusive cards that actually elevates the power level of red and White's identities to bring them on par with commander but for some reason the devs are just as stupid as people like you are and can't figure that out, and in the rare cases where they do nail a non-UB color identity like they did with Smothering Tithe, everyone becomes a piss baby screaming about muh broken card. It's a cycle of inescapable retardation that will never be fixed.
>>94758406>all colors should be good at everything and get everything!Not what I said.>You only think there's a problem because some colors (blue black) have identities that are over supported in commander while others (white red) have identities that are under supported or just don't translate well to commander.No I think it's a problem because all decks need ramp, card draw, removal, and a couple other things.None of those mechanics should be attributed to any color because it creates an insurmountable asymmetry.Not reading the rest of your post because you've inexplicably convinced yourself that I believe something I don't- that being that this is a commander-specific problem rather than being a fundamental flaw of the game design.If you want another hot take, having lands in the deck is absolute garbage as well, and is not something they would include if they remade the game today.
I'd just like to point out the correlation of how the quality of the last thread dramatically improved when red fearies/remove the color pie faggot's walls of text got jannied.
>>94758338This link fucking froze my browser fuck you.
>>94758418you do realize you can play a different game right? not liking the whole identity of the game is pretty good as far as reasons to go play Yugioh, Bleach, or One Piece.
>>94758445>red fearies/remove the color pie faggot's walls of text got jannied.What the fuck are you talking about? All the posts are still there because they were on topic
>>94758446You can see what it is from the fucking URL, it's just 100 copies of Mox Diamond>>94758479>not liking the whole identity of the gameGod you're such a precious faggot princess about your game.Lemme guess, got into it really young? Probably never even played another card game? Pride yourself on having spent thousands of dollars on now damp and battered cardboard?Being critical of something doesn't mean it's fucking worthless. Magic is a fine game, but objectively, giving fundamental mechanics of the game that everyone needs to individual colors was poor design.
>>94758489It's 1*10^100 copies of Mox Diamond
>>94758479No you don't understand this game is so bad xhe needs to spam every thread about it with xer's totally not retarded pseud wall of text opinions!Hate swordbro all you want but the dude can read a room and tripfag so people that don't want to put up with him can filter him instead of screeching for attention by spamming the thread with text.
>>94758533Samefag.
>>94758126The way it assesses power is mostly determined by the price of the cards. A lot of the other stats it lists like your ability to actually play shit on curve is a smaller factor than card price.
>>94758565Shut up
>>94758591Put your trip back on
>>94758565people should be apologists for him, he's way better than you. another ban evade, anon?
>>94758601No.
>>94758603>people should be apologists for him, he's way better than you.Put it back on.
>>94758605you have to admit you caused quite a stir to be worse than a tripfag.
>>94758608>you have to admitPut it back on.
>>94758617>three misses in a row
>>94758634Miss what? You constantly jerk yourself off without your trip on.
>>94758640>youAnon I'm not him, I'm just sick of this faggot crusade you're on. You make it sound like he fucked your mom in front of you and didn't even offer sloppy seconds. Can we talk about magic and not your vendetta?
>>94758640You are actually the only anon that I have ever suspected might be him.
>>94758652>>94758663The amazing thing is you really think people don't see through you
>>94757186This site is completely fucking shit, like this anon said >>94758309, it only uses price to determine power level, so all my budget decks are sub 5, top kek
>>94758652I haven’t posted since I slapped the image of your tripfaggot in all his glory. Believe it or not, more people hate that retard than me, and as far as I can tell a couple others are posting the image. Also any bans I’ve caught have only been for a day, but someone picks up the slack while I’m gone lol.
>spamming about tripfags instead of filtering themI'm guessing thirdworld phone poster. How does he even afford magic cards over there?
>>94757927>>94758012it is slept on because of the shameful slop IP it is.im not even "UB bad" fag, but i hate AC with a passion, thats why i cant be assed to buy any>>94757547cool artwork though, and the frame isnt utter shite
>New guy at store joins table>Turn 1>Talking about how a card he's going to play is only in his deck because he really likes the art but he can replace it if anyone wants>Already preparing for the fucking fish>The card he was referring to was Command Tower
>>94758318best way to stop powercreep is to not creep the power of your deck
>>94758706Cute. I'd bully him all game.
>>94758694What does posting it accomplish? Off topic and irrelevant, all tripfags are gross degens
>>94758712>What does posting it accomplish?So nobody forgets>all tripfags are gross degensYeah, and you requested an underage character growing a dog dick
>>94758715>youSwing and a miss>nobody forgetsForgets what? Publicly claimed requests on a /d/egenerate porn board
>>94758708only works if you're in a group where everyone is onboard with the program so to speak
You guys ever play Zedruu? Is he fun?
>>94758715>underage
>>94758718>Swing and a missI'm gonna let you in on how I know it;s you, swordpedo.It's because of this:>Publicly claimed requests on a /d/egenerate porn boardYou flipflop between reporting the screencap of the archive as being off topic, and trying to own it like it's no big deal.That's what gives you away every time. The fact that whenever it is posted you try to regain control of the situation.>>94758728>she just LOOKS like a child she's actually 150 years old!!!!!Pedo.
>>94758728Retard for an entire arc she is played comedically as attending Ichigo's high school. >fits in high school>high school age>underage
>>94758712What does caring about me posting it accomplish? All the lather that comes about it is from you all reporting and commenting on it. Just ignore it and it will go away like tripfags :^)
>>94758731>>94758735shes not even human
>anon just replying to himself because faeries aren't in redTrying too hard to fit in
>>94758731>>94758735>yes this character thats married with children is definitely underagethis seems like projection to me
>>947587311 report wouldn't remove a post
>>94758743Yeah yeah and Kanna is a 2000 year old dragon, she just looks like a preschooler.You are a pedophile>>94758751Oh that's interesting anon, do tell, at what point is she married with children? Is it perhaps at the end of the story after a time skip? Or is it at the beginning where she hides among highschoolers? I'd love to know which of those it is.
>>94758758>she is underage because 20 years ago she was in highschoolthen wouldnt (You) be underage too?
>>94758758If shes 140 and is a child, why would she at 150 be suddenly legal and fit for MAXIMUM SEX? This is why no one likes you, you spam and reply to yourself constantly. We get it, swordbro bad anon based and fits in and not 9gag-tier
>>94757959I mention colorless because that's the only way to satisfy your design without quintupling the number of cards in each set. Why would they print white Lighting Bolt, blue Lighting Bolt, black Lighting Bolt, red Lighting Bolt, and green Lighting Bolt at the same time when they can print colorless Lighting bolt instead?
>>94758762The funny part is that her being in the school is played 100% as a gag because she's just following the orange haired fag around so she can punch him in the face (this makes him die temporarily?)
>>94758762>>94758763You requested a sexual depiction of a character that was designed to look underage. Tell yourself whatever you want about how she's totally a 150 year old shinigami so it's okay, but you are a pedophile.
>>94758118I was eating dinner and watching a movie, calm down.
>>94758768You're not a very creative person, and that's okay
>>94758772Hey anon? Serious question. What exactly does this have to do with edh?
>>94758772>coping this hardall this over someone saying the tybw was a bad arc and shouldnt have a collab with mtg
>>94758783Tybw is a bad arc but sword is hardly the first person to say so
>>94758779>>94758783You're the one who wanted to debate fucking 150 year old death gods in the form of teenage girls. All I did was to point out thats what our resident tripfag requested porn of. An underage girl growing a dog penis.
>>94758778I'm not the one suggesting that having identical versions of most cards in each color will improve the game.
>>94758788>debateare you brown?
>>94758788>you're the one who wantedNo one wanted this retarded discussion but you
>>94758789>identical versions of most cardsYeah see you don't understand at all. I'm getting so bored of repeating it. I've been SO specific with what I'm suggesting, and then you just skim it, convince yourself that you've got the gist and argue against something no one has said.One last time for the kids chugging PVA glue at the back >>94758418>No I think it's a problem because all decks need ramp, card draw, removal, and a couple other things.>None of those mechanics should be attributed to any color because it creates an insurmountable asymmetry.Ramp, card draw, removal, a couple other things. Those are the fundamentals of the game that need to be symmetrical. I have literally listed them by name, I cannot be anymore fucking specific.
Jesus christ this thread
Gonna build this guy, any tips or cool tech?
>>94757726Genuinely one of the worst views I've ever read in this thread. Not only do all colours get to do all 3 things listed but them not being equal is precisely what makes the game well designed. Fucking libtards trying to push their equality bullshit on GAMES lmao
>>94756413You could have just asked
>>94758804How are they supposed to be the same if the cards aren't the same? You can use whatever name and art flavor you want to distinguish them, but you're still arguing for every color to have a copy of every other card that each color currently has. This is why I said you were arguing for all cards to be generic mana except for a few select payoff cards that become the entire identity of a color.
>>94757817Your point is dogshit. Peole get it and they think it's awful you raging autist lmao
>>94758831>them not being equal is precisely what makes the game well designedYeah and then you'll go cry your eyes about Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora>>94758838>How are they supposed to be the same if the cards aren't the same?Gee maybe the point is that they're symmetrical and not the same? Could that be it? Could the thing I've said a hundred fucking times ITT be the thing I mean? As opposed to the thing you think I mean when you're trying to paraphrase me?I dunno I'll need some time to think about this one
>>94757826Guarantee it's the same guy. Some turbo autist has joined this thread in the past month or two who just started playing the game and thinks it's his job to challenge all the things he finds problematic. I believe the youth call it main character syndrome, probably watches too much anime
>>94758810I wonder if the guy doing tallies of common arguments is still around
>>94758843Give me a symmetrical, fair, but "not the same" version of Feed the Swarm.
>>94758843>Yeah and then you'll go cry your eyes about Rhystic Study and Mystic RemoraYou whinge about rhystic study and mystic remora because they annoy youI whinge about rhystic study and mystic remora because white is supposed to be the taxes color We are not the same
>>94758838>>94758843Oh and the screencap is out of context. I was very clearly replying to a retard who misunderstood me to mean that all colors would have access to shit like draw and ramp but some colors would "do it better" which was the exact fucking inverse of what I was saying.Things like draw and ramp will be done the same among colors, how they interact with those fundamental game mechanics will be different
>>94757927AC was one of the best sets of the year ir just got screwed over by a bunch of odd choices, 7 card packs mainly. But the cards and art themselves is really good I'm looking to buy a box I think. Great reprints too I bought 3 packs got a sword and a recon
>>94758843How can they be symmetrical if each color doesn't get the same cards? If the cards are different, then one will be doing it better than the other four and you'll still be sperging out over green having the best ramp.
>>94758856>I' so retarded I can't imagine the game being designed in any way other than it is now.Or maybe it's autism. I don't care anymore.
>>94758859>I want radical sweeping change, but I can't articulate how it should be accomplishedTypical
>>94758694>have a back and forth with someone>later on "return">ermmm i actually only posted onceWhat an odd and obvious thing to lie about lol
>>94758715Zoomie go home you're women belong to older men my gf is probably younger than you lol
>>94758788Tbh I'd debate fucking not 150 year old teen girls because I'm marry one
>>94758871this is you
>>94758864>just design a card game from the ground up while faggots nitpick and deliberately misinterpret everything you say bro!Sounds like fun.There are already card games where core mechanics are symmetrical but how factions interact with them is not. The key would probably be to design cards that have to closely synergize with each other in a design space so that you don't have to print a Rhystic Study for every color but every color has a Rhystic Study. You can look at YuGiOh archetypes for exactly this kinda of shit. While archetypes vary wildly in what they want to do, the most viable ones always have access to tutoring and getting more of their cards onto the field to chain effects. They don't design archetypes as "well this is going to be the tutoring archetype so these cards will have the best tutors" because that would be fucking gay.You don't actually care, you have no skin in the game. All you want is for me to keep saying things so you can cry about what I say.
I'm gonna be honest I haven't read any of the posts in these arguments at all. I see wall of text and my brain asks me to watch Subway Surfers before turning off.
>>94758843>yeah rhysticNever once complained about those cards :) if you need to lie to try to rebut an argument against you you are objectively in the wrong lol. The game is SUPPOSED to be unequal full stop that's why we have colours>>94758883Shes 07 but pretty close :) we get naked for eachother and have fun times and in a week when shes a magic number we are getting married ^.^
>>94758891It can be summed up by this>retard starts playing magic but he's an autistic narcissist and it doesn't align 1:1 with his values >retard goes on a crusade to change the game and fix it's unfairness>actual players explain the game is the way it is for a reason>retard spergs because hes an autistic narcissist and no one is listening (that makes them evil)
>>94758901That's funny, because objective reality is that someone else was crying about broken cards and I replied to him saying that giving fundamental mechanics to specific colors is bad game design but there's no point getting upset about it, and then funnily enough people got upset about me saying that aspect of the game is poorly designed, and here we are.>>94756791>>94756874>>94757196>>94758406But I guess it's fun to make up stuff instead!
>>94757186I cannot get this site to spit out a number lower than 6 or higher than 8. Are all my decks really 7s?
>>94758884>you don't have to print a Rhystic Study for every color but every color has a Rhystic StudyI don't even know what to say. If red doesn't have a three mana enchantment that gives them a card when someone doesn't pay {1} while casting a spell, they don't have a Rhystic Study and blue does, which means that we're right back to you bitching about Rhystic Study. Yugioh is a terrible example to bring up, since that game functions on having hundreds of archetypes that distinguish themselves by the words in their name instead of colors that distinguish themselves by folowing mechanical themes. Every meta relevant archetype has one card combos because the archetypes with the best tutoring tend to be the best archetypes.
>>94758915>thats funny because>literally paraphrased exactly what I saidLike i said ladies and gentlemen he's an autistic narcissist he literally cannot help himself
>>94758922>and blue doesAnd this is your problem.You genuinely can't conceptualize a world in which specific cards don't exist, when my entire point is that we break up cards like that and give every color small amounts of draw and ramp and removal, and further expand on this with synergies instead of just slapping "best draw card in the game" in the text box.I'm not kidding when I say that I genuinely think you have some sort of mental issue. A lack of creativity, a rigidity of thinking. Whatever it is, it's impossible to reason with and I'm not going to try.>>94758933>y-you just paraphrased what I said!!!!No, see you said that this is some "crusade to change the game" and "fix it's unfairness"- when in reality this entire thing started because I said an aspect of the game is poorly designed but anon should get over it.It's everyone else that shat their lacey panties when I dared criticize color philosophy, demanding that I explain myself. So I did explain myself. Even now you want to portray this as me trying to interfere with the game, and damage what is precious to you. You're utterly fucking psychotic desu i dont know what else to say.
>>94758849>>94758945gonna answer me or what? Provide me an example. This is a basic removal spell at 2 mana and sorcery speed, how would you make this work in every single color without being the same card?
>>94758955>gonna answer me or what? Provide me an example.See >>94758884>>just design a card game from the ground up while faggots nitpick and deliberately misinterpret everything you say bro!>Sounds like fun.
>>94758945>don't existYou said that each color would be able to do everything, not that colors would stop doing things.
>>94758957>i literally can't design a basic removal spell but i should have a say in how the game is designedthank god you pretentious faggots are too airheaded to actually make games because they'd be insufferable piles of shit while you huff your farts and yell "game design" when you wouldn't know the first thing about the subject.
>>94758961>You said that each color would be able to do everythingNo. No I didn't. I said each color would have equal access to fundamental game mechanics like draw, and ramp. Yet again I'm repeating myself to people who don't read.See >>94758804>>94758963If you want me to design a card game for you anon, you're more than welcome to pay me for my time.
>>94758945>it startedWhy it started doesn't speak to what it has become or to the general content of your posts anon :) that autism is really causing some problems for you today big guy!>should get over itAnd then you spent 5+ hours and dozens of posts screeching about the game not being your way lmao. Actions matter just as much if not more than words lil tyke. Get over it please, maybe some therapy because you clearly have some solipsistic issues
>>94758975>Why it started doesn't speak to what it has become or to the general content of your posts anon :)It kind of does when you want to charaterize it as a crusade to change the game and fix unfairness when literally all I have every said is that making fundamental game mechanics specific to individual colors is bad game design.It's actually you getting upset and crusading against me for daring to criticize the way the game is designed.>>94758975>And then you spent 5+ hours and dozens of posts screeching about the game not being your way lmao.Oh the irony.Will that be all?
>>94758971>Equal access>But the cards will be differentIf they're different, then they aren't equal.
>>94758955I’ll try to, without being a disingenuous faggot >GFeed the HerdDestroy target enchantment, if you control a creature with Power 4 or greater instead destroy target creature or enchantment>RFeed the FuryDestroy target enchantment or creature with Mana Value greater than the number of cards you have in hand>UFeed the IllusionAs an additional cost to play this spell return a creature you control to it’s owner’s handDestroy target creature or enchanment with Mana Value less than or equal to the returned creatures Mana Value>WFeed the PoorDestroy target creature or enchantment you don’t control. It’s controller draws cards equal to it’s Mana Value
>>94758998See >>94758884
>>94759013I already replied to that when you said that certain colors wouldn't get cards that some colors already have, like rhystic study. I said that your post contradicted your goal, then you pivoted to saying that certain powerful effects would be removed from the game. You then started linking that same post to everyone as a non-response when people poke holes in your retarded idea.
>>94758991>it kind of doesAgain autistkun it actually does not and any non autistic person would understand that>oh the ironyI woke up 30 minutes ago browsed the thread and have made 3 posts now there is no irony lol
>>94759003A decent attempt, but Feed the Swarm is obviously the best of the 5, with the white one being literal dogshit.
>>94759003Wow these are awful cards
>>94759034If you want me to design a card game for you, you can pay me.>>94759042So you're not done?
>>94759051You're the one who wants to completely overhaul the "bad game design" in Magic by replacing it with an even worse design while not even being able to envision how it would work.
>>94759070>You're the one who wants to completely overhaul the "bad game design"See there you go lying again. Just can't help yourself.I literally said there is no point getting upset over bad game design. It's you faggots who demanded that I justify how it was bad design and what good design would look like.
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>dislike putting made-for-commander cards in my decks, feels dishonest>realize that most standard-legal stuff is made-for-commander nowadays>hear about prEDH, start looking on scryfall for commanders legal in the "format">453 legendary creatures released before CMD>2,453 legendary creatures every printedexactly 2000 more. I just thought that was neat and wanted to share even though it's including arena cards and maybe double-counting some
>>94759243I'm already hellbenting myself on purpose, if I can't find a way to out jin then my opponent deserves the win
>>94754095Been meaning to build her, one of the first foils I pulled when I started playing during DMU
>>94759243Sorry friend, Sword to Plowshares.
>>94759191>Magic has bad design>Here's a GOOD design>How would that even work>ALL CAPS RAGE>Actually, you're the one who's upset
>>94759303>this aspect of magic is bad design>WTF HOW IS IT BAD WHAT IS GOOD THEN HUH???>something like this>SO YOU MEAN XYZ!?!?>NO I MEAN ABC YOU FUCKING RETARD>heh no need to get mad buddy
>>94759316>He posts me as the all caps when he posted in all capsIt's beyond parody
>>94758743If you have to justify at all, then you're in the wrong.The character isn't human, but they are designed to look and act like a teenager.Which means you are sexual attracted to the appearance of teenagers.You are a hebephile at best and a pedophile at worst. And either way you slice it, kill yourself.
You guys are absolutely deranged. I'm tempted to bake without proxy links to revert back to a more normal shitflinging
>>94759346The shit flinging in this thread had nothing to do with proxies
>>94759364readijin compression
>>94759342legal in yurop
>>94758556>>94758691Not totally true, they multiply price against popularity>We looked at competitive decks. They had three common factors. They used popular cards, like "Sol Ring" and "Swords to Plowshares". They used powerful cards which are only less popular due to budget. Such as "Mana Drain", "Gaea's Cradle" or "Mana Crypt". And lastly the most competitive decks had a very efficient mana curve. This is how we came to start with price, popularity and efficiency. Price is the most accurate indicator available for how much demand there is for a given card, the stronger a card the more people drive the price up. When the number of printings outpaces the demand for a strong card, price drops off. However, if card is cheap and strong it becomes very popular. That's where the popularity metric comes in to even things out. Finally efficiency is applied to determine the competitiveness of the deck as a whole. Here are some details on how Price, Popularity, and Efficiency are quantified.
Door of Destiny or Banner of Kinship?I don't want coat of arms, fuck buffing my enemies creatures.
>>94759407if you are doing tribal, coat of arms will still probably be superior.Its a numbers game, and generally your deck will have more of said numbers.
>>94759407Coat of Arms is an Overrun. The game should end the turn you play it.
>>94759407Door if you have lots of creature spells, and Banner if you have lots of tokens. Coat of Arms if you have balls.
>>94759407Why not all three?
>thread is shit>I had nothing to do with itNeat.
>>94756622Huh, kinda looks like the shattered glass ratchet. Weird.
>>94756343Why is this game so gay? https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/artwork/bear-body-type
>>94759616Because gay people play it.
>>94756343>TQ:>If you could add a tribe to another color, what would you add and why?>hard mode: no red faeriesWhite Faeries (without flying). Brownies, House Elves etc.
>>94759602Makes sense pretty sure the transformers alt arts were called shattered something!
>mfw tonight is commander night
>>94759727Then why are you here?
>>94759734because I still go to the LGS every week to play
>>94759753Why? You clearly hate it.
how to win in commander:1. state that the pod is "casual"2. show up with something thats like a 7 or 83. win with your better deck
>missed cedh night>go to regular commander night with my backup decks to get my fix>everyone is insular and refuses to socialize>no one is drinking beers or having fun, even when I offer to buy the table a round>no prizes despite $10 buy in>games take upwards of two hours and no one seems to play any wincons>most people are on their phones the entire time>someone gets mad because I play trygon predator in my mimeoplasm deck designed to play with complete noobs>didnt even bother playing my jank monoblack pox deckWell that fucking sucked.
>>94759824I don't have the time, money, or patience to pubstomp.I'll show up with my 5 power 0-win con just be a chaotic asshole deck where I flip 20 coins a turn and have fun.
>>94759824That is casual anon, what are you on about?
>>94759868and this is why its the perfect crime. "casual" really provides zero context. sucker in 3 people playing 4s and you walk away the winner and thinking you are the better player
>>94759884If you're playing a "3 or 4" you arent very good at magic, and I dont know why you would think you are? The average deck in the wild usually has full fetches and shocks with basically everything you could want under $50. Sure you can build stronger cheaper decks or worse more expensive ones, but getting more granular than precon, mid, and cedh is lunacy.
>>94759908deck strength doesnt determine a players skill lmao
>>94759921Deckbuilding is a huge portion of the game it definitely does and no one making a "4" has any right to complain
>>94759928you might actually be retarded
>>94759908>>94759928>he thinks hes good at magic because he neckdecked from edhreclmao
>>94759921It's one of the four pillars:>deck strength>ability to pilot your deck>knowledge of your opponents decks>ability to tune your deck to your meta
>>94759942so cedh players are automatically better than any other edh player by default in the deck strength category?
>>94759936No. I think I'm good at magic because I've played competitively for a decade, spend around 9 hours a week learning new tech, practice all the time, keep up to date with a wide variety of decks and strategies, then apply my skills to win tournaments. The quality of competition you can beat copying off edhrec alone is very very low.
>>94759955It's an average, like one of those autismal graphs for character stats.
>>94759936I dont net deck though? Maybe that's why you don't think there is any skill involved because you do :o
>>94759959
>>94759936>>94759989what does neckdeck mean
>brb going to drastically improve my skill as a player
>>94760003best card in mtg
Goddamn monkey paw. I was hoping for some new art.
>>94759936>he neckdecked from edhreckek'd
>>94760009well shit, forgot to sell my card before the inevetable reprint.any chances it creeps up again or are players finna realize its not so good?
>>94760009i hate these movie poster prints so much
>>94760003You can spend a ton of money on fancy cards that dont make your deck any better. You can even buy good cards that dont improve your deck.>>94759996Haters gunna hate. I play legacy, I'm probably two metas out of date for vintage and pauper but competent enough, and I'm getting back into modern with the new banlist after taking a 8rack not being viable related hiatus.
>>94759959>No. I think I'm good at magic because I've played competitively for a decade, spend around 9 hours a week learning new tech, practice all the time, keep up to date with a wide variety of decks and strategies, then apply my skills to win tournaments.i can just tell you put every expensive staple in every deck you own and think you're good, there is just a 0% chance someone that would say that in the context of EDH would not own and solely play with several decks worth more than $1000.
>>94759848That almost reads like satire or propaganda against playing in person. If real, then holy fuck anon I'm so sorry for you. A buy-in with no prizes? If anything, I'd assume they let you sit there for free, but get their money back by people ordering food, which is also not happening.That sounds like absolute torture. I have the luck I exclusively play with friends. Hope you find a better place/better people to play casual & jank with
>>94759997its when you knock someone to the floor by whacking them hard in the neck
>>94760063My best deck is "budget" for cedh and is still around $3k. My "75%" deck is around $700, but thats mostly from weird foils. My cheapest deck is about $250, but I could easily slap together zada for $150ish and lay the smack down on an average group. Budget has very little to do with deck strength.
>>94760089I was just shocked that it was the exact opposite of the cedh nights where everyone is getting drunk and having a blast with great prizes in a normal tournament structure. My buddy got a foil phyrexian sheroldred the apocalypse and I got one of those red white shocks with the galaxy foil treatment from the unset last time I went. Same store, vastly different crowd I guess.
>>94760286>>94760286>>94760286NEW THREAD
>>94756395there are chaotic faeries and there are orderly faeries. if I'm being super 100 with you tho, it would be esper vs grixis not rakdos vs izzet
