Warhammer 40k is a setting.It has thousands of books with lore, stories, etc, it has video games, it has movies, it has animations, it will have a tv series, it has millions of fans that have never played the tabletop game, nor are they interested in playing it.Warhammer 40k has outgrown its humble origins and is now a universe on itself with rules to follow, not the whims of gamers.The game is secondary now.Change my mind.
You're right it's a dogshit "hobby" of consumption with elements like MtG to squeeze piggies. Just look at what they're doing to the guard
>>94767443D&D also has tons of "fans" that have never even played the game. What's your point? Lifestyle brands exist? Consoomers are retards?
>is a settingHow does that change anything? just because you born as a secondary, and your lack of soul can't understand the fun of doing autistic shit like making your own warband/regiment/chapter or model "historical" forces/battles.The only thing that changed is that James is more aggressive with milking whales and piggies.>with rules to followfucking hate westerners fandoms
>>94767443>Change my mind.One cannot change what does not exist.
Why are you doing this? >>94759755
>>94767443>>94759755>>94752566Just going for it.
>>94767443The game always has been secondary since 4e ended. If your hobby is wargaming you play /awg/ or /hwg/ games. 40k fans aren't wargamers, their hobby is Warhammer™, not wargaming. ie. the consumption of Warhammer™ products and media, lore, etc. and occasionally playing a Warhammer™ themed boardgame like 40k or AoS.
>>94767658Seriously all these "warhammer bad" freaks need to get lifetime bans.
>>94767646Extreme autism.
>>94767646Because I care.
>>94767443>Warhammer 40k is a setting.Always has been. Even original Warhammer was largely shaped by the role-playing game, and Warhammer has had novels from such an early stage as to make the setting near unrecogniseable. >The game is secondary now.The game was always secondary. Selling plastic is primary.Why do all the animations, licensed video games, novels and merchandise feature currently-sold GW kits to the near exclusion of all else? Because like the tabletop game, it's all advertisement for the sake of the plastic.Plastic comes first, then the tabletop game as a long second, then the associated fluff and licensing comes third.
>>94767443>I want to be a part of the ~*F*A*N*D*O*M*~ without actually consuming the primary media!You really thought you cooked with that tumblrina logic
>>94767443Bolt action is not a tabletop game, its a ww2 game moulded not by the gamers but by history
>>94767443nah you're right, 90% of the posts about 40gay on here are about lore, setting and shit completely unrelated to /tg/
>>94767443You missed the general, they're more likely to be interested in arguing pointlessly with you.
Warhammer is poorly written, with many of its most notable elements being haphazardly plagiarized from other works of fiction. It will never fit in with real science fiction and ywnbaw warhammer tranny. Also, you missed the general.
>>94767443Yep. Brand is one of the most powerful tools to commercialize stuff. It is the reason why D&D makes money at all, because selling books is a shitty way to make money.
>>94767443>The game is secondary now.It isn't, it's nowhere near even lol. GW earnings come almost solely from their minis and paints. Everything else is a marketing device for them and not an actual product.>it has millions of fans that have never played the tabletop game, nor are they interested in playing it.They don't matter until they actually stop being secondaries. If they never advance, they are worthless to GW and a blight to actual fans of this setting>Warhammer 40k has outgrown its humble origins and is now a universe on itself with rules to followIt clearly didn't and the only rule to follow is to get secondaries to buy minis and paints. Actually it might be farther away from that than ever before. Like 10 years ago they were near bankruptcy, might be that their BL earnings weren't as minor in comparison to their mini earnings back then, given that those werent selling that good. But they are worthless now, even coupled with their vidya and animations. Earnings from them are utterly irrelevant.
>>94767443The real issue is that 40k went from being a wargame to a board game. Warhammer 40k was a wargame, and wargames are not meant to be fully balanced out competative games. Wargames are meantto be battle scenarios and reenactments, and the idea is you should be self regulating and curbing broken shit. This is how the game was played in the past and there was a lot more decorum before like asking to bring FW, or letting your opponent know hey im gonna run a armor heavy list so bring something for that. However in GWs infinite quest to secure a 50% win rate with everything so that they can appease the shitty tournament competative faggots, they took out all the flavor of the game and what made it interesting. Its a souless board game now.
Please note how they distinguish "core" from their secondary revenue
>>94767443My mom was showing her list of ebooks to my grandma and there were some 40k books in there, I had told her what it was and she remembered "it's based on video game"I corrected her and she told me it was the same
>>94767624>How does that change anything?>The only thing that changed is that James is more aggressive with milking whales and piggies.you just answered your own questionbut thanks for the bump
I have a friend who loves Dawn of War, Space Marine 2, etc, has read all of the Horus Heresy books (+ more), has Chaos tattoos, knows every little detail about 40k and yet has never touched a model in his life. He's a good guy and a good friend overall but this bothers me kek. Stop sóying out over Warhammer and just paint a goddamn mini.
>>94774121My brother was similar, so I bought him the commemorative noise marine mini and he's been painting models ever since
You will change your own mind once you realize that the high water mark for 40k was a while back and now we're going to a very bad place with it.
>>94767443The Emperor looks mighty fine in that imagine, well done AIslop.
>>94767443>not one successful movie>not one successful game that breaches top10s>GW still making 10 to 20 times more money from minis and paints than licensingRetard-kun, please come back in 10-15 years when this post can even remotely be applied.
>>94767443more like franchise, as it is for money today
>>94767624>>with rules to follow>fucking hate westerners fandomsRare honesty from the subversion crew
>>94767443It was never really a miniatures game within the context of America.
>>94767443>The game is secondary now.Everything GW produced from books, video games, animation and soon to be on screen media is for the tabletop game dumbass.
>>94767443Every single 40k fan MUST die. 40k needs to die, all memory of it erased, so that society can heal and good settings can take its place.
>>94767443>ai art postYou'll die for that.
>>94771793>Wargames are meantto be battle scenarios and reenactments, and the idea is you should be self regulating and curbing broken shit.This is bullshit. Wargames can and should have balance. The problem is the suits at GW despise game balance as a waste of time a la Lorraine Williams.
>>94767566Yeah, OP, what is your point? Or are you just mining the chans?https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/mining-the-chans/
>>94767443>LoreEvery time I see someone refer to Warhammer background material as "lore", I feel like I'm staring at the ruins of Nineveh.
>>94786047Lorraine Williams was retarded but every edition of D&D post 2e is also retarded. 2e is arguably a retarded version of 1e but at least that's debatable
>>94786151Doesn't matter, people who say that wargames shouldn't be balanced are cancer and corporate bootlickers.
>>94785675Technically he's right. The game was always secondary to the plastic. Multiple times in their financial releases GW refers to themselves and their core business as selling miniatures first, and the game for the minis second.
the way I see it it's a couple multi million dollar businesses all hellbend on making the idea of selling a kidney to buy plastic models appealing to you. it's like a self serving propaganda apparatus only benefiting from its own expansion
>>94767443you are correct, warhammer 40k has started to hit the normie audience like crack.Im all here for it just because i hope it convinces GW to give us a new dawn of war or a remake of 1.
>>94771793>The real issue is that 40k went from being a wargame to a board game.You keep spamming this shit but nobody else is going along along with it because it might have the aesthetics of an incisive opinion but it's retarded bullshit you've obviously expended absolutely zero thought on.It requires definitions of "wargame" and board game so terminally autistic they're entirely unique to you, but there's no consistency: your personal definition wargame must be ultra-specific and boardgame must be looser than anyone else's.By your definition DBx isn't a wargame, and Root, the COIN series, really vast numbers of board wargames are not board games at all, despite being played on a board. It's just really fucking stupid shit. My friends that still play 40k are wargaming when they play narrative scenarios at the campaign weekender they host but are no longer wargaming but boardgaming when they attend a tournament? Retarded.The text itself of your posts is perfectly readable English, so you must be actively choosing to live in a arrogant, deluded fantasy world where whatever retarded shit you write must automatically be correct.>>94767443Secondaries love posting this cope.
>>94791998Not that anon, but I find that wargames feature a lot of interaction between models and the table as well as vice-versa including things like templates, line of sight, and all that. I think the game itself is being abstracted to a degree because wargaming facets of the game are being dropped: some terrain features that had a purpose no longer have a purpose. Vehicle facings don't matter. Model facings don't matter. With that being said it's probably not too big of a deal given that the old rules exist but it does change my expectations of the game.
>>94767646He thinks his waifu is real.
>>94767443The Emperor would have you executed for depicting him using an algorithm mimicking humans.
>>94767443I'm not going to change your mind because I agree with it.The problem is that 40k's fanbase has been taken over by people who make Warhammer their identity and personality in all the worst possible ways.In fact now that I think about it. It is like nerds making profiteering fictional media IPs their identities and this has taken over nerd spaces pretty badly.
>>94767454fpbp
I remember someone from /pol/ saying they know and celebrate 40K being satire because satire dulls people to what is being satired and makes them more receptive to “recruitment”.I couldn’t tell if it was cope or not.
>>94767443You're the secondary
>>94810183>copeIt was bait, retard. And it worked perfectly since you're still contemplating how you need to fight le evil 40K nazis and purge the fandom of undesirables
>>94810183>regularly browses /pol/ and lets their posts live rent free in his headFurther evidence that people who cry /pol/ at every opinion they disagree with are terminally online culture warriors
>>94767443>aislopYou're tetriary.
>>94810259It was actually on /vst/
Is there a simulator video game of table top?
>>94784602most western fandoms are obsessed about what is canon or not, and attack anyone with headcanon, fanfics or take ships as serious as ultras care about their teams. Fun seems a foreign concept to them
>>94791356i think Gw would more likely make more action games like Space Marine than another Dawn of War.the days of all Warhammer games being strategy games is past
