Previous: >>94773467>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Post a picture of/link to your current favorite deck. Tell us about what you like to do with it. Where does it fall short?
>>94777060Great tq, I'll lay my cards out when I'm done on the puter.
>>947770774chan trips are rainbow tabled, at any time an anon could google "4chan tripcode rainbow table" and crack the faggots trip pass. I'm honestly amazed no one has done it yet. Or maybe they have and that's why he comes across like such a sperg.
>>94777102Because what you posted isn't true, evidenced by it never happening.
>>94777102Anon, please remember the golden rule: leave last thread in last thread.
>>94777102That's not a trip in the OP, just a name in the namefield like so
>>94777105>Because what you posted isn't true,What fucking part? The rainbow table was prominent just fucking recently because Elon supposedly tripfagged on /pol/ and when they looked up his trip code the password was "420ashkenazi"
>>94777117>he believes any of thispfffft
>>94777120Which part do you not believe?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94777060>Post a picture of/link to your current favorite deck. Tell us about what you like to do with it. Where does it fall short?I like to make the people draw the cards while I sit in my little corner, like it's Civ and I'm building wonders and hoping everyone stays away.It falls short against decks that can burn life and don't need to attack.I've tried putting in things to counter that, but there is only so much room in a deck and there are more important things to cover.https://moxfield.com/decks/aSxusl9nnU2_3u92uw9fOw
>TQI have a lot of fun with this deck.It falls short because, well to be honest I always, ALWAYS flip too early and fuck it up.It probably has some glaring flaws with it, but honestly I just need better self-control.Thinking about just switching which norn is in the command zone and just going more control with it. https://archidekt.com/decks/10204109/white_phy_tribal
>>94777060>TQPic related>What does it do well?Play land>Where does it fall short?I tend to get targeted a lot because of how consistent and explosive it is, so most games turn into "Can he recast Omnath every turn?" And I stall out because I've played every land in my deck. At that point, I can use land sacrificing cards and graveyard recyclers to keep making land drops and use other payoffs, but it's hard to play Omnath once he costs 47+. I also can't stop a lot of combos, since I only have artifact/enchantment removal and elemental death triggers.
Damn, just found out TeamJbro an hero'd a couple months ago. That sucks. I liked him, he was a good cube drafter, always at the top of the trophy charts.
>>94777060this guy plan is to play 7 creatures then play thromok into chandra's ignition or some similar card.downsides is a weakness to instants, thromok has no natural defenses and neither does chandras ignition
>want to build a new deck>look online>everyone built it the same way>and it's badWell fuck.
Post irl decks!
>>94777245Which combos do you see? Are you running traverse the outlands and scapeshift.
>>94777289To be fair, I am stupid and new.
>>94777289Happens sometimes. Which deck?
>>94777402Most people are, dont feel bad.>>94777416Be'lakor. All the decks have abominable fixing and pray for many uninterrupted turns to do anything. I guess that's just the nature of the beast.
>TQ>>94777362Right now it has to be Mishra. I'm having a blast when I play it and love watching the gears turn.It's a little worrysome due to the 30 lands, but it plays out pretty consistently.>what you like to do with itMost important are either copying ETBs or just spamming out Karnstructs and winning through combat>Where does it fall shortHonestly, between the lack of lands and the high quantity of permanents, I feel like I often don't have interaction ready or had to tap out to play cards and not have the mana for it. Sometimes I also run out of cards in my hand. Freshly slotted in The One Ring and Liquimetal Torque after playing it last night.
>>94777060Wow, I have some ancient memes on my computer I just fixed. I wonder who's deck this is?
>>94777369https://moxfield.com/decks/IELi-cwdS0O4WWqy7XquHgThe irl version is missing Scalding Tarn, Misty Rainforest, and Taiga, so mentally swap those for 3 more Forests. The idea is more to win by brawling and have a comically large board state than to win via combo. There are combo lines involving Forays+Cobra, Zuran Orb+Lumra, or Scapeshift+Field, but the most important ones are to sacrifice lands and shuffle them back into the deck along with my ramp spells in order to maintain my land drop pace. I cut Traverse because it requires me to have something and it costs 5 when I want my ramp to be reliably played on turn 3.
>>94777285>Rhythm of the Wild into Thromok>Overmaster into Chandra's Ignition >Boots/Greaves>Red elemental blast>Deflective Swat>Bolt bendDo it
>>94777362Spit in my hair. Call me girl names.
>>94777499hot???
>>94777060>>94777362
>>94777467I meant what decks do you see and what combos do you need to stop? From first looks, you have a bunch of very large shit that doesn't do a whole lot. Like Perilous Forays is not really good. You have all the big payoffs for landfall, but you're mostly focused on putting basics into play with none of the acceleration, and those cards are often mediocre and expensive. Your card draw is both overcosted and not particularly fantastic because it's conditional while relying on very specific situations. My advice? Focus more on one specific thing. If you want to play big boys and landfall, do that. If you want to kill people with omnath, do that instead.
>>94777060https://moxfield.com/decks/vTtNC-JhTkO1I8enjFS4ZwI have never had major money for powerful cards so my decks have never really been focused on winning or how strong a combo I can make, I love synergy decks, a lot of little effects that work together
>>94777060What is the worst Commander/MtG channelCardmarket-Magic orThe Command Zone
>>94777509That's not a girls name.
>>94777579Command Zone
>>94777580Suck it, Toph
>>94777499whore
>>94777594No one in my pod knows this exists. Thankfully.
>>94777579Wubby
>>94777060The list here isn't entirely accurate probably 85-90/100 are but I always have a blast playing this deck https://archidekt.com/decks/6762115/elly_candleLocking a table down with oppression + drumbellow will never not be funny. Hell it still has crypt in the list yeah it's a wee bit off the real deal
>>94777449Holy shit that looks familiar. I think this might be the guy who ripped his squandered resources
>>94777430>Be'lakorAh, yeah that one feels like it could easily fall into the same traps.
Might be a retarded question, but what is the deal with playmats? It just seems like another thing you have to carry into the store that doesn't really do anything.Am I missing something?
>>94777694Personally? Just help people know where my play space is, if tables are crowded or whatever.If there's a spill it a bit of protection from liquids flowing under my cards.Also just looks nice.
>>94777485oh I do. it can be glorious. my friends know what's up with this deck though so any time I have enough creatures and at least 10 mana everyone is holding onto their interaction... lest I end it all.
>>94777694It keeps your cards clean and makes them much easier to get off the table, makes it much clearer whose cards are whose, and it's a fun little way to display a piece of art you like. I wasn't much a fan of them either until I started using one.
>>94777694The most practical purpose is that it's easier to pick up a card if it's sitting on a soft surface, instead of using your fingernails to lift it off a hard surface. Also to keep track of what cards are whose
>>94777777GET
>>94777737I wonder who's gonna get it
>>94777694Gotta pay the sleeve tax and the mat tax and the fancy deck box tax or you arent allowed at the cool kids table
>>94777430>Be'lakorIf you find a decent one, hook us up. I assume he's some Demon + Blink deck.
>>94777777FUCK WIZARDS OF THE COAST
>>94777753No one forces you to do this. People pay the sleeve tax because condition matters for reselling.
>>94777720>It keeps your cards clean and makes them much easier to get off the table,I also have a pair of coasters I carry around with me that I put my deck on to cut in halves with.Its a little neurotic but after some fat fingered fuck bent one of my cards really badly trying to pick it up straight off the table I don't really feel like taking more chances.
swordbro is the king of /edh/
>>94777758>I also have a pair of coasters I carry around with me that I put my deck on to cut in halves with.Kinda based
cEDH is for fags
>>94777777FUCK WIZARDS OF THE COAST!
>>94777362Don’t doxx me teehee
>>94777775NOOOOOOO I WAS TWO OFF FUUUUUUCKKKKKK NOOOOOOO
>>94777775Also fuck Hulk Hogan
>>94777768thank fuck you didn't get it
>>94777777FUCK YOU
>>94777777lol
>>94777777
>>94777777Yo girl you want to dick sucked?
>>94777777kek
>>94777440Looks very strongHigh win rate>>94777499Way stronger than it looksHigh win rate>>94777520Meme deckMedium win rateNeeds Angel's Trumpet>>94777776Might be a meme, is it good?Low winrate
>cards delivered today>one order from last week>one order from the middle of fucking November Better late than never. Fuck you DeJoy
>>94777551>What decks/combosI have limited graveyard interaction and zero game against Storm or Hexproof stuff.>None of the acceleration What do you mean? The entire deck is about throwing lands into play, and you're telling me to cut Forays when it lets me play all the basics in my deck at the same time.>Draw is not fantasticWhat does fantastic draw look like in RG?>>94777777LMAO
Gay Bolas
>>94777499Should get walking ballista just for an additional wincon.
>>94777949Old hat
>>94777499This would be good here
>>94777998I have it. mostly I don't know what to really cut for it.
>>94777886>Sydri deckThis thing surprisingly fucks. Popping treasures and unequipping Equipments at instant is not a lot of things people see coming. Hell even Caltrops murdering all attackers get people sometimes.
>>94777694Idk the big mats on all the tables is more than enough for me.
>>94778079Not all places have big table mats, and a lot of places that do have those mats don't clean them like they should.
>>94777060>>94777362>TWI like my deck. It is a great deck. It is unsuspecting then junds people.The only thing I dont like is I refuse to run more than 33 lands because i like playing other cards that arent lands and know this mana screws me some games. And I get some creature hands that do nothing.
>>94777909I mean a lot of your deck puts basics in tapped, and you're running very few cheap dorks or artifacts. Ideally you want to diversify your acceleration unless you're going to run ouphe and the like. Dorks are a better rate and artifacts have haste, but your "ramp" package should be thought of in two ways: landfall enablers and play accelerators. Somethings like farseek do one or the other, you see? Draw in gruul is one of a few ways: green looting cantrips that dig for a creatures or lands by looking at the top of the deck, red impulse draw, red looting or wheels, and the condition style draw things you're running. You can also run Life from the Loam and grab that gruul draw land or whatever it's called. Loam in general is supremely powerful because it effectively draws 3 cards per turn, enables itself, and allows additional graveyard synergy in a landfall deck, particularly with exploration and whatnot. Do some research and flavour to taste.Finally, dealing with storm can be thought of in a few ways. Either rule of law effects that limit storm count, tax effects that make it more difficult to storm off, or a way to constrict their resources are the easiest. Legacy lands decks run shit like thorn of amethyst and loam plus wasteland because they need less mana, but ouphe is very strong doing the same thing. Dampening sphere is great, as is stuff like trinisphere, red elemental blast, torpor orb, and vexing bauble, depending on what you see. Now dealing with hexproof is easy in theory; urzas for shadowsphere. But in order to accurately help, I need to know what the hexprood creature is doing, like is it swinging or enabling something?
>>94778199>shadowsphereMy fucking sides. Shadowspear. God it's late.
>>94777754Clones are generally a bit nicer since even though they'll die to the legendary rule, you'll still get the card draw and ETB damage benefits. The problem is he's still a 6 mana creature to begin with, so while it's possible to overstuff your deck with ramp and hope his triggers will help blast through your deck, it's still pretty inconsistent and any amount of counters or removal will really fuck you up.
>>94777060>TQYedora Morph>Tell us about what you like to do with it.Being able to reuse morph creatures that die is really fun. You get a lot of interaction and play on your opponent's turn even in Mono-Green since morph effects are instant speed. Temur War Shaman is nuts in this deck.>Where does it fall short?The deck is really cool when it's going, but if it's going just a little TOO well it goes infinite extremely easily. pic related
>>94777998>>94777499I was going through my junk box and saw this. With Heliod on the board, it could get really funny really fast.Probably not as much overall value as Goldnight Commander, but a better meme.
What's a good finisher in a sultai clone deck besides biovisionary?
>>94778425There really isn't any.
>>94778425Biovisionary is the best, but you could try cloning myr battlesphere with mechanized production.
>>94778425>>94778449could always go for the typical power plays with the x-cost copies like aggressive biomancy or doppelgangnot quite hard finishers but if used properly they're good soft endstate tools
I find pic related in my bulk bin. Surely I can build something fun with it? I know Korvold exists, but everyone hates Korvold and I prefer the classic creature-token based Aristocrats builds.What are my mass revival options in Jund?
>>94778469It would still take a full turn for mechanized production to go off since its an on upkeep check. That's a lot of time for removal or a wipe to come down
>>94778488full round*
>>94778425Kicked Rite on anything with a big enough cock can work if you're playing it slower.
>>94778199>>94778214Spending mana on 1:1 draw spells feels like a waste of time. If I'm spending mana, I want to be getting lands on the field instead of putting them into my hand. It sometimes takes a while to draw other landfall payoffs, but I play Omnath out of the command zone on turn 4 most games, so I don't need them until Omnath has died a few times.I do run Loam, but it's mostly to combo with fetchlands and Exploration, Burgeoning, or Manabond. I was running cycle lands, but I found that I would hit Kozilek and lose my targets if I started loaming several times per turn. I decided to keep Kozilek over the cycling package because the unlimited landfall stamina is more valuable than setting up even bigger Lumra or Analyst plays.The lack of artifacts and dorks took a long time to happen. They're extremely good on turn 1-3, obviously, and the dorks combo well with Skullclamp and Forays, but there were a lot of games where I found myself wishing that I just had more lands in my deck instead, and the only mana artifacts that are worth running are Sol Ring, Mana Vault, and (formerly) Mana Crypt. I traded those three out for Burgeoning, Exploration, and Mana Bond at one point to experiment with my options and I really liked them, so they stayed.Shadow Spear and Vexing Bauble are definitely going in, though. I already run Saga, so I'll probably take out Skullclamp and...maybe Courser of Kruphix? Clamp is explosive when I have token makers out, but it just sits there a lot of the time. Courser is really good, but I'm not sure what else I might cut. I can't run Ouphe because I rely on Zuran Orb and Elixer too much. I might be able to replace Elixer with another Eldrazi, but I don't know of any other card that lets you throw lands into the graveyard like Orb, and the life gain has made the difference in several games.
>>94778482Twilight's Call, Living Death, Living End, Rise of the Dark Realms off the top of my head.
>>94778488>play the sphere>clone it with some shit off borne upon a wind in the endstep before your turn>win on your upkeep when you passYou just need to be creative. There arent really better options.
Yeah, im thinking it's Sorin time
>>94778511Anything cheap, along the lines of Return to the Ranks or Immortal Servitude? Mass revival for little dork creatures.
>>94778553Nice collection, but fucking gay.
>>94778559
>>94778507Up to you my friend. I play cedh quite frequently and I'm just sharing my opinions. The reason smaller draw spells are better than the large commitment ones is twofold in my opinion: they will certainly draw you cards if they resolve, and better players will interfere with the conditions if the setup is obvious. Look at ad naus and compare it with greater good. Ad naus is the setup to win the game, you can protect it as a single spell on the stack, and when it resolves for 5 mana you'll draw somewhere between 7 and 14 cards on average, usually with gas compounding in an inevitable wincon. With greater good, you need to resolve a 4 mana enchantment, then either have something to sac, or cast something else after the fact. Sure you could sac something huge and draw a bunch, but if you arent using it as set up to a finisher, you're better off with incremental card selection at a lower mana investment. Not only that, but I could chain of vapor your large dude while greater good is on the stack and dramatically fuck up your tempo, but players are unlikely to stop a smaller draw spell. Just something to think about depending on your playgroup and the types of players you see in the wild. My style is to have minimal board presence and to win decisively at once, so I'm a bit biased. Miri's Guile and Sylvan Library are much less threatening and very powerful, especially combined with fetches, and as someone very familiar with omnath, not letting him resolve would be a high priority for a table, unless you're using cavern of souls or vexing shusher or whatever.With regard to dorks and rocks, it depends on your objective. Remember, I would be focusing on ending the game at once, so I'm going to like dorks to accelerate my curve, and incremental land drops matter a lot less. Like 2 land drop triggers might make 2 baloths off harrow, and grinding down a game like you suggest is a gameplan, but resolving a scapeshift for the game doesnt really care about that (cont.)
>>94777579Command zone is horrible and overproducedI actually enjoy Cardmarket magic a lot except when they invite that skelly fag
>>94778717 outside of the raw number of lands and the mana to cast the spells you need to progress the game. As my boi says, a single murder is a travesty to be avenged, murdering your enemies all at once is a message. If you're going to drag out your win over a couple of turns you need something to stop other people from winning the game, and you arent really running smoke or bloodmoon or static orb or decree of anhiliation or wastelocks or whatever to put the game at your pace.I think at the end of the day you built a machine to cycle through your deck multiple times, but not one to win the game. Our priorities are different. If you find you arent winning the game, from my perspective you should make your deck more efficient and more focused: lower the curve, set up key plays, and execute them decisively. That's the angle my advice was coming from. If you want to continue your gameplan as is, focus on slowing down or inhibiting your opponents resources or ability to respond asymetrically in your favor, and there are lots of ways to do that in a landfall deck.
Best basics.
>>94778482I love this guy soooo much he is just strong and feels good to play and look at that sick art
>>94778758Nice try kiddo
>>94778758That is a basic. Maybe even a good basic. But certainly not the best basic.
>>94778774Fucking nice. Great taste.
>>94778784>>94778758I always liked the Swamps from Tempest.
>>94778795I'm an invasion/odyssey kind of guy, but that one is very nice. There are always exceptions.
>Single handedly keeping a Krenko and a marrowgnawer deck at bay.>Game takes forever>Everyone at the table pissed off at me>Still lose.>Everyone gets up and leaves the table without saying much after picking their shit up.
>>94778553Wish gollum was BW so I could fit my sorin cards :(
>>94778817I always shake everyone's hand and say good game win or lose. I also point to key plays throughout the match to give thanks where it's needed. No reason for anyone to be salty, it's a game after all.
>>94778758
>>94778883Disgusting weeb trash
>>94778758Mountains tend to not get a lot of love (and usually rightly so) but I always loved this one for being so melancholy but adventurous feeling. Helps that it was one of the first lands I ever got.Rob Alexander carried a lot of early magic.
>>94778896Ironforgeesque
>>94777777>>94777775It's like pottery.
I built a proper spellslinger deck out of this commander, but Im still waiting for pieces to arrive. Im pretty excited, i think this one is going to be good. A lot of spells like treasure cruise can be cast for 1, but have a cmc of 8 so Baral can play a 7 cost sorcery for free after playing tje cruise.
>>94778758No points for originality but I really do love them.
>>94778758Depends on the deck of course. But I've always liked Mirrodin
>>94778717>>94778729I don't have any problem with winning, the deck sets up piles of tokens easily enough. My issue with the cantrip spells is that I'm not digging for one particular card, I'm looking for a critical mass of lands and spells to get lands. I WILL add Cavern of Souls, though. I forgot that it's supposed to be in there because I moved it into a different deck at some point. I'll experiment with Smokestack, since that will help disrupt people while helping me cycle my lands.
>>94778758>>94778774>>94778784>>94778788>>94778795>>94778816>>94778896>>94778913>>94779023>>94779068Respectable choices, but you're getting mogged by Pokemon energy lands
>>94779106>smokestackMah nigga. I run that in my casual pox deck. Beware, smokestack is VERY slow if you arent running proliferate. I usually proliferate it with yawgmoth along with tanglewire but that's beside the point. What about this guy?
>>94779130Overrated.The LCI full art lands are massively underrated.
>Person tried to return a sorcery to their hand with Sun Titan.
>>94779165I've been collecting the art cards to use as true full art basic lands
>>94779130I genuinely cannot imagine a real human being have taste that poor.Lands are the foundation of Magic and are used to illusrate the planes that form the settings of the multiverse. Floating mana symbols are lazy garbage.Personally I'm a fan of the Guru Lands but for 'normal' picks I really like the islands and mountains from 5th edition, the Plains and Swamps from Urza's Saga, and the forests from Onslaught.
>>94778758Odyssey plains
I use this 3 card interaction in constructed, but to keep up with the mana costs I use Tolarian Academy.However, I want to create a deck around the same game plan, only with selected commander. Any easy combos for mass mana in these colors?
>Bluenigger casts this to steal everyone's commanders>Go to return my commander to the command zone>He says I can't do that and I have to give him my commanderHe was cheating, right? If your commander would leave your battlefield you can return it to the command zone instead. Right?
>>94779298Nevermind, I missed the most obvious thing through the trees. You'll always end up with more every time you can tap the overseer.
>>94779326If it would change zones, you can put it in the command zone instead. Your creature didn't leave the battlefield, so he does gain control of it.
>>94779326It staying on the battlefield, so its not changing a zone.It sucks, but he took your shit.
>>94779326Nope. If it would change zones, and changing ownership on the battlefield is not changing zones. Also, imagine letting someone resolve a 6cmc 4 U pip spell and complaining.
>>94779326Exile and graveyard are changing zones.Going to another field is not
>>94779338>>94779343>>94779344>>94779349It left my battlefield and went to his. That's changing zones.
>>94779243>Onslaught forestsMy nigga. My favorite forest is a John Avon foil I cracked years ago.
>>94779396There's only one battlefield and only one command zone.
>>94779396There is no YOUR battlefield or HIS. There is just THE battlefield.Note when ETBs are written out, they don't say "when this enters your battlefield" it says "enters THE battlefield under your control.
>>94779396You're wrong
>>94779252Best plains, great taste.
>black lotus doesn't have the card I wantFuck man I don't want to spend $10 on this piece of shit but my game store is vehemently anti-proxy.
>>94779396Cute bait but you've underestimated my ability to notice that you were born wrong
>>94779326He's correct, but it's absolute bullshit that you can have your commander stolen and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>94779450Use removal?
>>94779443Spend $10 you stooge.>>94779450Boy oh boy would this razz your berries. Also, darksteel mutation.
>>94779477>spanish for some reasonSasuga.
>>94779467Yeah and if your commander got sent to the graveyard with no chance to rescue it you could just use recursion, but they implemented returning your commander to the command zone for a reason.
>>94779499Yeah they did, for when it changes zones, anon :^)
>>94779467>My jacked up 50/50 mothman got stolen once.It was a loss either way. If I removed it, I'd have to build him back up and I'd likely lose before I could.If I didn't, I just die anyway.
>>94779450You can have your commander permanently phased out of the game, without the ability to get it back even if you remove the player who did it.
>>94779516that can't happen if you're paying attention
>>94779512They should have updated the rules to include theft back when they updated them for getting your commander shuffled into your deck. It's ridiculous.
>>94779515Have you tried Mesmeric Orb? Every single untap is a separate trigger, so if someone untaps 7 cards you can get up to 7 counters on him at once.
>>94779529What a creative suggestion, anon. Surely no one else has thought of this before.
>>94779529Nah. I'm leaving in its precon state for awhilre. Its for playing with my other friends who never play anything but precons because they're dumb.
>>94779524They should include a rule called "the big brother rule". Whenever a player acts like a faggot about inconsequential nonsense, the biggest, strongest guy at the table is obligated to slug them in the arm as hard as they can, and then they draw a card, and add one many of any colour their commander could produce to their mana pool. This mana carries over between phases. If this is the second time this effect has resolved this turn, the punchee must buy pizza for the table. If this is the third time this effect has resolved this turn, the punchee immediately loses the game.
fellas what do we think of this card?
>>94779543Shit's bad, yo. Real real bad.
>>94779540>intentionally leaving it as the preconBased, your friends don't deserve your kindness>>94779533>making suggestions badKill self immediately
>>94779543Costs too much. If I'm going to have to play a lotus that only makes one color, I'll just use this instead.Or Throne of Eldermaine.
>>94779524You're definitely baiting but god do I hate the sound if a woman wailing.
>>94777594there's a lot more counter hate than there is token hate. especially 2/2 tokens>board wipesorcery speed, every worthwhile token generator makes them haste or tapped and attacking
>>94779543I find it does the most work in monocolored decks, but it's otherwise pretty slow.
>>94779542
the snow has prevented the last 7 cards I need for my deck from arriving for the last two days, I'm going to lose it
>>94779570you and me both my friend. I had 60 cards that were supposed to arrive today
>>94779559I just run this
>>94779551nta but i dont know how kind it is mothman is a brutal precon
Does anyone have the textures that were used on the boarders of old cards? Or similar ones atleast. Picrel isn't an actual texture, just a similar one
>>94779577what for?
>>94778924Good luck anon. These two looked interesting.
>>94779573How often do you fuck yourself over with this?
>>94779570>called the post office>told them they lost my shit>"actually it's not lost until the 29th and we cant process a refund until a search has been conducted">promised me a call today>didnt call me todayGod I hate canada post so fucking much.
>>94779581I wanted to make some printable stickers to apply to plain bcw card storage boxes to make them like these old ones I used to have
>>94779593that's the fun of it
>>94779543I much prefer coveted jewel. The draw 3 is a huge plus and it gets really silly if you clone it
>>94779624That's some vintage technology my friend.
>>94779647I'm very fond of making a critical mass of tokens and then using Brudiclad to make them all jewels and seeing how people deal with it.
>tfw you've got the world's sickest play lined up in hand and you're shaking like a fucking junkie waiting for everyone else to finish their last pathetic turns
>>94779672and then the blue player leaves a bunch of lands untapped and looks at you
How do I get over my bad (and illegal) habit of peeking at the top card of my library while everyone is taking a billion years for their turn?Should I just get a fidget toy?
>>94779672You fool. You're supposed to glance at your hand then place it face down on your playmat while you drink your beer. This gives you the "intimidating presence" buff, that increases the odds of new players misplaying by 25%, and the "smug dickface" buff that increases charisma by 2 points but debuffs your charisma by 4 points if you misplay.
>>94779608Those are neat, I have a red one
>>94779675>>94779689I can't help myself. I get fucking horny when I see Apex Devastator in my hand.
>>94779681Put a coin or something on top of your library. Personally I have a bad habit of twiddling with my pocket knife like some sort of apalachian psychopath, so instead of doing that I just make sure I have a variety of beverages to drink and keep my hands occupied.
>>94779698That might clue people into the notion that I do it though.I'm sure the people I play with have seen me do it once or twice but haven't said anything.But they just seems like I'll blowing a siren that in a "cheater."Yes, I know it's actually cheating, but I'm not stacking the next I just know I'm fucked or have more than a few seconds to plan after draw. I gotta kick if either way, even if in the grand scheme is more benign.
>>94779691I have a black, green and white one, but I wanna make a bunch more.and share the printable files
>>94779722Well that's a moral quandry. Would you rather better yourself and solve a bad habit, at the cost of being honest that you used to cheat in a small-but-definitely-still-cheating way, or would you rather continue cheating and potentially get caught, even though it barely makes a difference in the first place?
>>94779681Just straighten your lands/creatures, roll dice in your hand, or maybe start running decks that give you the ability to look at the top card of your library at all times
>>94779521>Opalescence>Out of Time>lmao eat shit
Best place to order custom sleeves that don't fall apart easily, and don't care about the subject matter for the sleeves?
>Korvold player had 6 treasure, drew 6 cards off Korvold>is very obviously going to haste in and kill me next turn>Skull Storm him for 4>"wtf that card is stupid and unfair">gets up and leaves the game to go play with other people???
>>94779910>I can't win?! But I spent a lot of money on these cards, this is bullshit!Many such cases
I want to build him but as a reanimator enchantment creature focus to set it apart from other enchantress decks. Probably want to focus on the Duskmourn rooms and Demons as well just for something new. Any tips?
You now remember Battles exist as a unique card type.
>>94779938I still use this one
just won a game through this, peak card. played it twice and it made everyone else angry at each other that they forgot i was the threat and it was gg. can't believe i thought about cutting it
>>94779932>i want to play him as exactly what he iswow no way
>>94779938I played a quick game with this guy earlier and I straight up skip over battles in the text when explaining what he does.
Zurgo is one of my fav characters. Too bad his team up card was dragon tribal onlu.
I played Burakos again tonight and had a very convincing victory. I played a turn 1 Changeling Outcast and turn 2 Animists Sword. I closed the game by sac'ing my Dauthi Voidwalker to copy a Beseech the Mirror and tutor up Akroma's Will and cast it for free. Then I played a Wrath and swung for lethal
>>94779992He leans into graveyard stuff more by design but I mean going away from the usual suspect enchantress cards and more into a creature combat focused plan
>>94779969I love copying this thing. The first game they play is funny, the second game where everyone is pissed at one guy for snitching is even better.
My favourite mechanic in all of magic has always been extra turns. Can someone recommend me a commander that would be really powerful in terms of allowing cheesy unlimited turn stuff?
>>94780191Ezuri Claw of Progress and Sage of hours
>>94780191>my favorite mechanic is playing by myself
>>94777362Roxxanne. A commander I initially built out of bulk on a whim but I quickly started to fall for. Here's the listhttps://moxfield.com/decks/NFqdst14-U2FCquDKF3zmA>TQ>What you like to do with it.She's a lot of fun and the value she can generate and the interaction the meteors add can surprise. More than a few times I've been able to completely shut out some commanders and otherwise very dangerous creatures just with the threat of a meteor or two falling on them. The mana she helps generate can help keep recasting her and enable big cards and sometimes extra combat steps along with them. I like attacking and commanders that are actively engaged with the game rather than just sit there so she falls in line with what I like well.>Where does it fall short?It's main and almost only way to win is attacking. There have been games I've been able to close out with For The Common Good into double my meteors and then into Second Harvest for another doubled up meteor storm that can burn out opponents directly in the late game, but outside of that it's attack or bust. She's also probably been the commander I've seen removed more than any other in the games I've played. Her meteors sort of help mitigate the ever growing commander tax a little bit but as a five cost base she does quickly start to get expensive. Which I guess is a natural weakness of pricey commanders like her.
>>94780223I haven't played physical cards in about 10 years because closest LGS that plays magic is like 3 hours drive away
>>94780191Narset, Enlightened Master, but people most likely won't play with you or they will just focus you
>>94780224Jaya's Immolating Inferno is a big X spell to killRed Sun's Twilight can finish a gameEsika's Chariot makes more tokensCity of Death and Repercussion are good enchantments
>Izzetnigger starts losing>Casts picrelKILL ALL BLUENIGGERS
>>94780365
>>94780365Blue?
My decks did their thing at FNM lads. I wasn't really in the running to win, but I was a constant presence at the table and everyone had to take their turns with me in mind. Didn't even play blue. Satisfied.
>>94780191Elminster is pretty obnoxious for it. Between his hefty starting loyalty, cost reductions and general propensity for filtering through your deck, extra turns are game over if the first one isn't countered.
>>94779910How does Korvold do in the 99? Seems like he would fit into Henzie well
He really is just too powerful, every game I play with him as commander I feel like I'm dominating the board. At least until they all come together to defeat me and kill Kambal on sight.
>Only one in my group who plays interactionPain
>>94780483I've considered building him as a low budget deck, what kind of list you got? Does he struggle against non-token decks?
>>94780483>ai hand so noticeable it makes the whole image look awkwardclose your hand except for your index finger. you can't close it so much that it looks like your finger has an additional joint like that picture does.
>>94780505compare this with the other shit by the artist, this is 100% made with AI, the dude behind him makes it obvious
>>94780499I pretty much build it like this, but with a few more token creation cards like Call the Coppercoats.https://youtu.be/q34dLQKH0tc?si=HJE6tX9c_p3h_g4Y&t=423It can struggle I think, but usually it has enough creation of tokens itself that it will be effective. But I also put lifegain payoffs in like Voice of the blessed and soul warden like cards.
>>94779483>SpanishMe cago en to tus muerto
>>94779577Best bet would be downloading Magic Set Editor and looking through the source files
>>94780505I did notice that. I really wish they had chosen another artist for this card since his art is really ugly besides the AI stuff.
>>94780525Appreciate the info, I've been wanting to do an Orzhov deck again and was caught between him and Greasefang. Thanks!
assuming I got infinite colorless mana can I claim win with these two on the board?
>>94780598theoretically
>>94780598No, because I would make you roll those dice. Live. Not individually, of course. Not reason to be unreasonably tedious.
>>94780598If I have 20 bobbleheads and I roll 6 more than 7 times like 10 do I still win? it says "exactly"
>>94780613no
>>94780613Richard from MTG Goldfish played the deck and had infinite mana and used the most likely outcome based on the number of dice and he had to keep on rolling and rolling
>>94780620>>94780614So rolling over 7 6's is awful too. What a terrifyingly shit and funny card for the one time you ever try to use it.
>>94778758 (you)>>94779130>doesn't even inflict psychic damage to opponentstrictly powercrept
>>94778924I'm still mad they didn't include the wizard pirate type on this card. It would've slotted perfectly into my Beckett Brass deck.
>>94779450>nothing you can do about it There's plenty you can do about it, but most players either don't want to include a proper amount of broad interaction in their deck or theu don't know how to properly apply it.Commander stealing is a skill check. If someone takes your Commander and they're not back under your control or in your command zone within 2 turns max your deck needs to be rebuilt with less good stuff.
>>94778774The art is fantastic but it's very clearly a warm and bright woodland and not a dark, dense, and somewhat foreboding forest, which limits the types of decks it can be used for.
>>947795435 mana for 3 monocolor ramp and nothing else is sad. 5 mana or higher cards should be giving you big or broad effects. There are manadorks under 3cmc that are giving you 2-3 mana.
you guys ever poop but when it comes out it's like "woah dude"anyway who's your least favorite commander to face?
>>94780897>foilGross
>>94780982I mean nta but you're kinda cheating comparing green ramp to other colors. Gilded Lotus still isn't exactly a good rate but at the same time comparing it to cards like Fanatic of Rhonas which are the best rate in the best ramp color is unfair.
I’m having nightmares about a super mutant apocalypse but specifically what stumbling onto my damaged or looted commander collection would be like. unreal
two different scenarios back to back so far, where I find them all gone or partially rifled through in my childhood home with no power and sirens in the distance. well, back off to dreamland.
I haven't played since OTJ. Any fun new cards you guys rec? Upgrades? Jank tech? These last few sets look boring as fuck.
>>94781285works on my machine : ^
>>94781361>>94781390I had a nightmare that my dog ran away. We were at some elaborate extended family event where everyone brought their dogs and was eating food at a park. There was this weird interlude through a museum with a lurking prospect of a mummy that spooped all the people I was with and a giant egyptian hallway with many passages, but one particularly ominious one I tactfully avoided. Anyways I went back to the park and the big open grassy area flanked by old brick industrial buildings lead to a fenced off parking lot. At first my dog ran around trying to fuck these big golden retrievers, but he's a corgi mix and the bigger dogs kept cockblocking him. Then, out of nowhere, he took off out the fenced area, past the cars and down the street. I ran as fast as I could, but after a few intersections I knew there was no hope of catching him and woke up in a cold sweat. This mirrored an event in real life where I let him off leash in our new non-completely-fenced back yard, he frolicked for a while and listened to commands, then tried to run full speed into the street.Thanks for reading my blog, have this weird old card to compensate.
>>94781487I just think Kamigawa goblins are neat.
>>94781487Depends. The new tech involves some old cards. Cedh got a few new toys with bloomburrow, much to my surprise considering the set was extremely shit for a variety of reasons.
>>94780939I genuinely hope no one takes this post seriously
>>94781572>all players across all formats liked bloomburrow>great art>great mechanics>great draft environment>more bloomburrow cards see play than any other set this year>ermmmm but it's shitNah it was objectively a very good set
>>94781726it was a decent set, wouldn't call it very good, but the year has been pretty dire in terms of setsso between the mystery, wild west and "horror" theme parks and UB stuff, it actually was a breath of fresh air
>>94781758No youre simply wrong anon by all metrics it was a great set someone needs to learn how to be a big boy and put his personal feelings aside
IZZETNIGGER TURNED MY FAREWELL INTO NIV-MIZZET!!!BEHEAD ALL BLUENIGGERS!!!
>>94781726Anon, I dont want to go on a giant rant about it, but there are many aspects that are extremely shitty.
>>94781768the most zzz draft experience of all time>dude food lmao>rehashed squad (literally just squad how did they get away with this)>that cancer bats deck
>>94781758I liked OTJ and Duskmourn and Bloomburrow, they were all fun to play. My only complain was the vault shit sucked, and duskmourn's art was by and large absolute shit compared to bloomburrow.Also WOTC making the not-indians have no land to be stolen was really fucking funny in hindsight.
>>94781770Isn't that just Counterbalance but worse?
>>94781830Those cards arent alike at all?
>>94781842Pair it with pic related, and it's the same mana cost as the card you posted but you get to do it literally every time someone casts.
>>94781809>280 cards>15 make food>literally and in no way squad>deck that beat me badAnon clearly does not know the set lmao. Thankfully wotc will listen to the community and give us more bloomburrow like sets because it was a huge success in every way >>94781805>ermmmm i like can't be bothered!Very smart move
>>94781851>Thankfully wotc will listen to the communityYou will get ubslop for eternity and pay donuts for it
>>94781849And you just need to hope you flip the right cars every time! There's a reason neither of these cards see an incredible amount of play
>>94781857Counterbalance saw play when Top was legal.
>>94781856Thats cool too the vast majority of UB stuff is very good, only Dr who and fallout have been jarring for artistic reasons still very well designed cards mechanically. Did little baby forget how to think for himself? Sounds like he's got a case of regurgitating /edhg/ talking points
>>94781857>And you just need to hope you flip the right cars every time!Have...have you never played a game of EDH before...?
>>94781857>>94781860Addendum: In 60-card formats where you could run 4 Counterbalance 4 Top and the range of stuff you had to counter was usually 1 of 3 values.
>>94781857Counterbalance is sometimes cedh tech.>>94781851Fuck off tripfag, no one wants to fight about stupid shit. It's a nice saturday, I'm drinking tea, relax.
>>94781867Anon you responded to me twice and only called me the tripfag once. You're clearly not good at this lmao. And I want to discuss the game yes >sometimes cedhNah. When it was released it was tried a bit and then dropped cause it sucks>>94781864Yeah scrying exists too i mean there is TONS of top deck manipulation in edh and still....... they are in 1-2% of decks
>>94781895>they are in 1-2% of decksYou're checking EDHREC aren't you?This is cEDH shit, Timmy. You're with the big boys now
>>94781895>>94781895>when it was released>in 2006>it was tried in cedhSure thing, tripfag. Your schtick is obvious and repetitive. Now feel free to pretend not to, and "magically" appear pretending to make productive posts like you always do.
>>947819081. Edhrec looks at cedh decks so I'm not really sure what you're getting at here2. I just looked at the top cedh decks and none of them have it wow! Almost like i pay more attention to cedh than you ans it was tried and dropped>>94781924>sometimes cedh tech>cedh tech>wtf why are you talking about cedh>tripfagAgain you replied to TWO of my posts but only thought one was the tripfag. You really played yourself this time lmao
>>94781947Yes, we are posting anonymously, and only one of your posts had the obvious hallmarks of your faggotry. And regardless, counterbalance IS sometimes cedh tech, usually in futuretop/mystic forge style decks, or monoblue. It just wasnt tested and discarded in 2006, or when it first came out, though I suppose I could have been more explicit with my greentext; your retardation is profound and demonstrable.
>the two retards meet again and shit up the entire thread
>>94781966Anon your detective skills suck and you clearly cannot tell anyone apart.Post 3 cedh decks that won tourneys with counterbalance in them and you can be correct but you won't because..... it doesn't happen it's not a played card. Everything after "monoblue" quite literally makes no sense in relation to the conversation you're floundering lmao>>94781971Im discussing the game anon maybe you'd like to discuss magic too or are you just gunna cry and piss yourself like a baby?
>>94781947There is no way to exclusively search cEDH decks on EDHREC
>>94781849I thought this card would be good but I tested it alot and it sucks, even if you have a top out too
>>94781982No. According to cedh analytics it's in 1077 databased decks of 15k-ish and that's good enough for "sometimes played in cedh", which I already knew, because I mentioned the specific decks its played in. This is the end of the discussion.
>>94782010The fact you aren't even aware of the numerous cedh specific databases says all i need to know anon >>94782019Yes as I said it was TRIED OUT AND THEN NOT USED. You are seeing the "tried out" now you are free to prove your position that it's still used by posting some decks that won with it.>i mentioned Feel free to post some of these decks anon :) ones that actually saw play in tournys of course
>>94781971The other thread has 1 schizo that starts fights with literally everyone and it has been going on for years.
>>94781830no, it's Counterbalance but not a dead card 99.99999999% of the time
>>94781851Get a better hobby then starting dumbass argument's on a Egyptian camel racing forum. Its obvious you're just trying to stir the shit
>>94782099>have a position>someone challeneges your position unjustly>kindly show how his challenge is actually unfounded >he freaks out and talks about UBslop randomly>another guy insults me and starts an argument about tripfags>a third accuses me of stirring shit when its objectively the other people doing soErmm no im discussing the game, very weird assessment of what happened anon
>>94781714>why yes, I don't run interaction in my deck and fold to even the most basic non-turn creature sideways strategies, how can you tell?
>>94782079See:>>94781895>When it was released it was tried a bit and then dropped cause it sucksHowever, it was released in 2006, before cedh was a thing, which you were mocked for saying, and now you're doubling down to start a retard fight on a nice saturday. Go for a walk, have a beer in the shower, hit the gym, make a nice breakfast. Stop trying to start retarded arguments.
>>94782079>The fact you aren't even aware of the numerous cedh specific databasesYou said: >>94781947>1. Edhrec looks at cedh decks so I'm not really sure what you're getting at here
>>94782115Stop arguing about starting arguments.
>>94782125recommending Gruul Charm or any sort of specific "anti commander steal" cards over running more general removal is pure retardationunless you're hate-building against one specific guy you play against regularly who always runs steal effects
>>94782129Oh right I was thinking powerbalance (which any intelligent person would have picked up on but youre clearly not that). Not that it changes anything because you still have not posted a SINGLE deck that even showed up to a tournament with it either of the cards lmao>>94782133Yes i did. And then after I looked at edhrec I.... looked at the cedh databases keep up buddy.>>94782136That's not an argument that is an explanation anon :) i think you are looking for arguments!
>>94780352Thanks anon. Been needing some mana sink kill spells and some token copy stuff helps as well.
>>94782125I run on average 20 pieces of interaction in every deck. Your advice is still retarded and bad and thankfully no one will ever take it seriously.
MY CARDS ARE COMING IN TODAY
>>94780898Didn't even notice that. What a lame choice not to keep either of their unique creature types in the team up card.
>>94782173>cards are getting shipped on monday>seller just told me one card wasnt in stock anymore
>>94782173IM CUMMING ON ANONS CARDS TODAY
>>94782173I'm very jealous, congrats anon. Post'em when they arrive.
>>94782154
>>94782115You just cant help yourself, can you? Proving my point. You're not even good at this. You proved my point, so no need to respond because im done. Be better anon.
>>94782142Charms are by definition not specific, unless you have a very limited gameplan you should always play them.
>>94782285Most guild charms aren't good (there's a damn good reason Boros Charm keep gets reprinted), but Gruul Charm is by far the worst. It's the only one that can be a completely dead card based on your opponents' deck composition. Every other Charm has at least one mode that does SOMETHING universally applicable.
>>94782281Why would i need to help myself? I'm in the right here, I peacefully shared my opinion and then supported it. Others lashed out and were right and tried to start things. You're not fooling anyone here
>>94782342>someone was trying to sell one of these for $23 on amazonWhen you're right, you're right. Some of the older charms are spicy, like this ancient piece of pauper tech.
>>94782374
>opponent tutors for a win in a casual game and we all die>"But I didn't combo so it's okay"How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>94782342>mfw gruul charm hard counters my faerie deck
>>94782417>"Good game anon, I'll be ready for it next time."There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
>>94782342>combat trick >stop someone from blasting your essential pieces>clear away a big threat or return your stolen commander to your hand>this is all useless
>>94782417>two card combo, tutored for both pieces"think you could play a different deck next time?">three+ card combo, tutored for the final piece"that was a really funny combo, anon, good job"
>>94782472>EVERY OTHER Charm has AT LEAST one modereading the post explains the post
>>94782482>Creatures without flying can’t block this turn.>or if they do have flying you can mass zap them for significant damage anyways>this is not universally applicable
>>94782505Yes.
this is for sure gonna be Seedtime, right?
>>94782535
>>94782208Lame when that happens. Just got a set of what was supposed to be eighteen each of the same forest and mountains so I can unify all the lands in my green red deck only to find out apparently they only had eleven of the forests I wanted left so the forests are stuck in an awkward place.
>>94782560It's the long-requested Waiting in the Woods reprint
>have Norn's Decree on board.>Aggro player is poisoned, so everyone who chooses to attack him will draw a card.>Only thing I have out that can give poison is that enchantment so you will only get counters for attacking me.>All 3 keep attacking me because "Poison is gay" instead of getting free draw Well by the time I had something else that could give poison through proliferate they had already given themselves 8 poison counters and realized maybe draw was better, but by then it was too late.Some people though.
>>94782595Why is the house turning into a shed? It's not like it's a were-house... oh. But yes, people tend to have that reaction when you play poison. It's a visceral kind of hatred that overrides all logic and reason until they realize that noncombo infect will kill one person, maybe, then fizzle out as the game scales up.
>>94782595That just happens when you play something that players often dislike. Same thing that happens if you play Painful Quandary or Blind Obedience or anything like it. I'm more surprised they bothered attacking you without finishing you off. A full table focusing you down but not taking you out is unusual.
>>94782595>pillow fort fag>pillow fort infect fag>no you dont get it you only get poison counters if you break through the fort so it's okay xD>just kidding i have poison and proliferate in the deck tooSounds like their only mistake was not hitting you with bigger swings
>>94782664They couldn't get through with much, that's why.
>>94782676Yeah, they didn't focus you down because they didn't care about drawing. It was because you were playing an annoying deck type. But again, didn't they have anything big to swing in with? Surely three players with at least two big creatures could have done something fast enough for it not to matter. Or were they being dumb and only swinging in with mana tapping creatures?
>>94782697I had blockers. They were killing them and tramping over, but it was never enough to do a lot in big swings.I was at 2 health when I won.
>>94782716Got ya. That checks out and fits the play style. Guess it's another example of needing more removal.
>>94782676It's very silly that this and propaganda don't affect planeswalkers.
>>94782595>pillow fort poison proliferatethey were absolutely right
>>94782775Not worth the errata I guess, they were both first printed before planeswalkers were a card type.
>>94782775>you will never be tightly squeezed into the crawlspace with bloomburrow fox jace so only 2 creatures can attack either of you, with his paws pressed up against your face andYeah yeah we all know you're a freak.
>>94782675Waiting on tax return to pillowmax.
>>94782828Wow that has great art. Like the dude looks weird, but the textures are fantastic.
>>94782845And it will never be changed, because it's on the reserve list
>>94782825I fail to see what me being a furfag has to do with this
>>94782861Dan Frazier did the talisman box thing a while ago. I need that sol ring and wager it's impossible to find.
>>94782595They were right
>>94782932have you tried...searching for it?
>>94782932https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1074/sol-ringIts expensive, for a sol ring anyway. But it wasn't hard to find.
>>94782959>>94782949Yes anons, I tried searching it and the largest retailer in my country was sold out. Shit happens, but I should have been more clear.
>Roaming throne still expensive as fuck.PEOPLE SAID IT WAS BAD WHEN IT CAME OUT! WHY DO I NEVER JUST DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THIS STUPID FUCKNIG SITE SAYS?!
>>94783008It is bad? Tribal derps want it and are propping up the price.
>>94783027any commander with a triggered ability wants it
>>94783008Why didn't you pick one up when it was only a few dollars? It was clearly going to be great and that it could come in as any creature type means it was incredibly flexible.
>>94783038Eh, seems expensive for that reason. Especially if it's an etb trigger.
>>94782959>decide to look at SL printing prices>pic rel is a $120 foilgood thing I got a copy
>>94783041BECAUSE I'M RETARDED AND LISTENED TO PEOPLE HERE AND IN THE CONSTRUCTED GENERAL WHO SAID IT WASN'T GOING TO GO UP BY MUCH!
>>94783046That art is fantastic, but it's no 1-of $10,000 eternal championship dark rit.>>94783049Just run panharmonicon you dork. It's like $7.
>>94783049It's a colorless trigger doubler. That alone sounds like it would be hard to get wrong. I'm sorry anon, you really should just follow your gut on this kind of thing. God knows when it will see a reprint but for your sake I hope it's soon.
>>94783058it works differently (worse in non-tribal decks)
>>94783045Even if your commander has an etb that triggers when Roaming enters, its already likely gotten you more than its 4 mana's cost of value.
>>94783058>Just run panharmonicon you dorkWhat if I want to double a death trigger or a combat trigger?Opps.
>>94783008Anyone saying it was bad was just larping my man. Even retards could see how good of a card it was.
>>94783058if you mean this one the only TCGPlayer listing is actually $85k
>>94783045there aren't a ton of triggered ability doublers out there, and everything other than Roaming Throne has a much more restrictive caveat, whether specifications of the trigger or color-wise
>>94783067Panharmonicon is permenants, not just triggers, so I guess it depends on the application.>>94783071Again, depends on a variety of factors. If you're using as a combo piece with a nonetb trigger, I get it. Otherwise? Seems meh.
>>94783008>Really liked the Meso-american vibes and aesthetics of LCI>Bought a box.>Cracked 2, Caverns and 4 of the 5 gods and two blood lettersLuckiest box of my dick. That said though, lost a lot of money chasing high with other boxes from other sets.
>>94783082I thought it had the lim dûl art, but sweet jesus that's expensive.
>>94783096there are a ton of popular commanders with nonetb triggered abilities, pull your head out of your ass
>>94783084This. A lot of them are color restricted or just ETB locked.
>>94783058>Just run panharmonicon you dork. It's like $7.Not if I want a sex printing.Still cheaper than roaming throne.
>>94783104NO CARES BRAGGOT FAGGOT
>>94783008just run Strionic Resonator
>>94783104The sets visuals were pretty good. Boxes are a fickle thing. At least you cashed out well once.
>>94783008Who said it was bad? Point them out so we can laugh>>94783027>doubles your commanders etbDoesnt even need to be a tribal deck its objectively very strong.
was building budget fortune loyal steed deck and found this card. art is cute and seems pretty good for the value, gonna try this out in more white decks. maybe build selesnya populate next
>>94783008>PEOPLE SAID IT WAS BADDid you not read the text on the card? On no fucking planet is it a bad card.
>>94783276wait im retarded
>>94783276Nice I like fortune was between him and calamity when I was making my horse decks. Still might make fortune cause I love horses but calamity is doing the exact same thing pretty much but in red
>>94783300Did you not realize it was removal?
>>94783008If it helps if immediately lose respect for anyone who plays this card outside of genuine tribal decks and never play with them again
>>94783303i didnt realize they got the token
>>94783008I put one in Miirym and it's what convinced me to stop playing Miirym.
>>94783307What if the deck has a lot of tribal synergy but isn't explicitly tribal?I have a deck that has a fair bit of humans, and soldiers but not necessarily complete overlap so I pick whichever is most on the board when roaming drops. Am I a faggot?
>>94783327Why though?
>>94783337Yes. Commit.
>>94783276Get a Kenrith's Transformation, Trickster's Elk, and Generous Gift. Go full "turn into animals" tribal. Unfortunately shit like Frogify, Curse of the Swine, and Amphibian Downpour are in blue
Is there a general rule of thumb for removal?Should I have 10 cards. Too much, too little?
>>94783464Depends on a few things. My general number is 15 but there are factors. Do you aim to play fast and strong and consistently be the threat? You can probably cut some single target and board wipes. Do you have a slow gameplan? Probably want more to keep people in check while you are building up
>>94783464Depends on your local meta. If your commander also has built in removal can also effect things.
>>94783464The purpose of removal and interaction is to stop your opponent from winning before you are able to win. Kicking them while they're down won't help you if you don't have your own engine. You can't lock three people out of the game long enough to beat each of them to death with a single snapcaster. It's not just because of the game's history that EDH trends towards proactive strategies; there will always be relevant cards in play on your opponent's board and it's easier to go over the top than kill every single one of them.
>>94783359It's just such an obviously broken card. Miirym is broken too, don't get me wrong, but getting three roaming thrones onto the field and then playing a 25 cent Red Dragon that comes in and deals 64 damage to each opponent makes for really boring games.Budget Miirym is fun as fuck but as soon as you add one or two broken cards to it, it stops being fun at all for anyone. Roaming Throne is especially broken in that regard.
Do you guys still rock trade binders?
Post favorite arts
>>94783614In theory but these days anything over $5 I have no plan on using I just sell, which has bit me in the ass a few times but it's at least out of my house. I don't play with randos enough to bother trading anymore.
>>94783618Just go jerk off
>>94783693That's my secret I'm always jerkin' off
>family matters precon is anywhere from 65 to 99$Well I wanted to get pollywog prodigy legitimately but I'm not paying over 10$ for a card or over 50 for a precon.What proxy services do you recommend?mtgbiz looks sketch and the one I like is out of stock for it
>>94783614I have a small binder I intended to use for trading. But I haven't added to it in months. I just keep my cut from decks and pulled cards in a stack at my desk shelves. Means I never have anything worth trading but keeping so many cards means I usually can build a mostly workable deck whenever out of that ever growing stack of cards. Probably still worth setting one up though considering I go to a game store to play usually weekly.
>>94783706Do you want a proxy (obviously not a real card, good for casual play) or a counterfeit (could pass for the real thing without close inspection)?
>>94783706>out of stock for itlmao how the fuck does a proxy site run out of stock???
>>94783464Why run removal at all? Jist let your opponents waste card slots on counterspellsYou need to run as many combos and big creatures as possible. Let them rat race to the bottom with removal
>>94783618
>>94783723Right?? It's been 2 weeks being out of stock so idk what's going on>>94783717Not counterfeit but not glaringly fake when under a sleeve like the ones I see where it's a jpg cut out from printer paper
>>94783614I need to get a binder. My rares are in two bundle boxes and they are overflowing
>>94783755>Not counterfeit but not glaringly fakeIn that case MPC is your best bet. It's the main way people get high-quality proxies.They won't print the copyright information on the cards, but the cards look and feel exactly like MTG cards.MPC has great prices too. Generally ~$0.35 a card if you're ordering in quantities over a hundred.The lack of copyright information in the bottom right makes it obvious that they're not real cards, but that's a good thing. The cards will look good but no one will accuse you of using counterfeits.https://mpcautofill.github.io/MPC Autofill will basically do everything for you.
>>94783751Are there any recent prints of effects like this? I'd love to play it with Enchanted Evening but I despise old frames
>>94783464My personal ratio that I've found the most consistent is:Minimum 3 Board Wipes, including one that hits all enchantments and/or artifacts.Minimum 4 targeted multi-target removal that includes artifacts and enchantments.Minimum 3 targeted creature removal.So 10 removal minimum, with 3 dedicated to clearing the board and at least half of the remaining able to clear out troublesome artifacts and enchantments. And that's if I'm an aggro deck that doesn't really care too much about other player's plans, if I'm playing a slower deck like midrange or control I'll include way more, because I've personally found that most people I play with are way too greedy with their decks and don't pack in enough removal so if someone manages to dump out a troublesome card it becomes a major problem.
>>94783818>despise old framescringe>recent printsThey reprinted Energy Flux (the artifact hate one) in MB2 but that's only with the Future Sight border. You might like Echoing Calm which can, with Enchanted Evening, blow up all of a basic land or tokens. Greater Auramancy gives all of your things shroud with Enchanted Evening. Not sure if there's any others. Maybe Paraselence if you want to do MLD + Board wipe at once
>finally get to lgs to try out new decks>6 player pod>a trannyKms
>>94783818what's it like being gay
>>94783893>6 player podThat's a terrible idea.
>>94783614To store things? Yes. To actually bring and trade? No. I'm not dirt poor so I don't do trading.
>>94783893if I ever get pushed to more than 4 player pod I whip out my araumi deck
So how many years am I going to have to wait before Wizards clarifies the bans/powerlevel issue? Ever since they announced they were going to turn all this shit sideways I've been completely checked out and I haven't bought a single card or brewed a single deck because I don't want to waste time until I know what I can actually build or not.
>>94783893Should have just done 2 3s. No one wants a 6 player game
>>94783893In my experience trannies are more enjoyable to play with than your classic gameshop neckbeard.
>>94783697Based and goonerpilled.
>>94783992Two 3's is just as bad. It's a fucking 4 player game. Have one group of 4, and the other 2 can 1v1, then rotate. If you do 3 games, everyone gets to play 2. It's literally that easy.
>>94783618I hate this art. Something about her. Like her body has no definition to it such as lines and other things you'd expect on a body. She looks like a being made of pure fat. Like a jelly being.
>>94783990That art is sweet, is it from a card?
>>94783990they're going to make EDH a rotating format with massively overpowered EDH-exclusive booster sets, and never ban anything.
>>94783990Nothing is going to change. In practice all that announcement of theirs said was they removed the previous six levels on the 1-10 scale that no one used. Now it's just 1 through 4 instead of 7 through 10. It's still a mostly useless scale.
>>947840173s are fast at least. 1v1 commander is fucking awful and you might as well play some other format if you're doing that
>>94783008>Auto include in most tribal decks>Even good in non tribal if your commander has a good triggered ability>bad
>>94783990They won't and whatever they come up with won't be EDH. You're better off selling your shit.>>94784039>Nothing is going to changeAh so demonic tutor will be tier 2
>>94784026No, it's by Santiago Rosas.https://www.artstation.com/santiagorosas
>>94784017>Two 3's is just as badNot even close. Six is just unplayable. And one on one require entirely different deck styles to workout. Three players isn't ideal but it's a lot better than either.
>>94783008Who the fuck said roaming throne was bad? It goes in the vast majority of decks. Almost as many as command tower does.
>>94784060I'm not an investoooor I play and collect for the love of the game, or at least what it was. I bought a Yawgmoth's Bargain despite knowing for a fact I'm never going to play any format that it's ever going to be legal in just because I've always wanted one. If I ever entirely lose the spark for MTG I'm just going to assemble my valuable and or nostalgiac cards into a series of decks to box away and sell/trash the rest.
>>94783027>42 of the top 50 commanders have triggered abilities or care about triggered abilities>"bro it just doesn't seem that good"
>>94784094Well whatever EDH is coming it won't be what we are currently playing. This format effectively is in sunset mode.
>>94783618My husbando
>>94783045>seems expensiveDoubling triggers for some commanders can get really out of hand really quick. A lot of effect doublers have some sort of repeated cost to them or other criteria. They also don't have ward.
>>94783045>hello yes two giant beaters with strong effects for one swing please
>>94784052>1v1 commander is fucking awfulLiterally just brawl
>>94784177if the boot fits
>>94784177The point stands
No. Throne is bad because it costs 4. Too slow.
>want to play Sen Triplets>people refuse to play with me if I doIs theft the biggest filter in Commander?
>>94784116That doesnt change the fact that it's bad, and nothing in this thread has done anything to convince anyone otherwise.
>>94784211>>94784234>hello yes two Proliferate triggers just for existing please
>>94783706It's $10 you dolt, shut up and buy it, or scribble it on a basic.
>>94784237>4WGBU>for two proliferate triggers a turn
>>94784234If you actually read the thread, everyone agrees is a strong card. There is just one or two (probably you still samefagging) hold outs that think that its bad.
>>94784245>WGBU for one proliferate trigger a turn
>>94784245>>4WGBUThat's 8 mana bro.
>>94784253Exactly.>>94784252No. It's the same problem as every thread where knowledgable people state an opinion, and less knowledgable lower power level people state an opinion to the contrary in bulk, and use eachother's opinion to justify their initial stance.
>>94783893Id do a 6 player with my izzet deck. Its all AOE damage and I win by T5 anyways
>>94784269>it's the same problem as every thread where knowledgable people state an opinion,Its okay to be Dunning-Kruger anon. Your opinion is wrong though.
>>94784269Exactly what? Paying four mana for an effect is good, but paying eight for the effect twice is bad?
>>94784283Are you actually trying to argue that Roaming Throne is a bad card?
>>94784212Theft is tranny strats. Built my deck for me to play with, not for you to play with.
>>94784291No? Maybe I misunderstood a response. Its a very strong card.
>>94784296>He can't defend his deck from theftThey're not your cards any more.
>>94784311What is there to defend with against Triplets? It basically needs to be countered, destroyed, or effect negated constantly, and then you'll probably bitch about being targeted and not getting to play your commander.
>>94784283Effect doublers in general are more or less unplayable beyond a certain power level, and 4cmc is a hotly contested zone where you are competing with maybe 5-7 slots at most, and cards at the power level of polymorph, ad naus, the one ring, and tez the seeker. Not only that, but I cant think of any combos where it directly wins the game without a large existing board, heavy investment, or wild shenanagains, though I'm not really trying that hard. It's alright to disagree, but gaslighting people is morally reprehensible.
Why do I feel like its the same guy who was arguing that Rhystic study was bad?
>>94784286Both are bad. Atraxa is primarily played for its colours and versatility in mid powered metas.
>>94784296I'm not playing your deck. WE are playing your deck.
>>94784329>my commander does a good thing automatically whenever a condition is met>it is bad to automatically do it twice for four more mana
>>94784348This is some serious cuckold shit>our wife
>>94784341She's played because getting free proliferation every turn will just win you the game while you play defensively.
>>94784356What can I say, your wife is cute. On my turn we're gonna share her :)
>>94784355He'd have a point if it was literally just once.But its realistically not.
>>94784355>>it is bad to automatically do it twice for four more manaYou cant be this dense
>>94784357>she's played because she wins in mid power metasYes, that's what I said?>>94784355Yes, because you're spending 9 mana to do nothing unless the condition is met other than play your commander and a dude with ward 2. Realistically in nekusar you're spending 12-14 mana for throne, your commander, timetwister/echo/wheel of fortune, and bow masters for 14 damage to each player, or 7 damage to everyone and an additional 21 damage to one guy, which doesnt win the game unless he has infect.
>>94784383That relies on it sticking around, and the thing with the trigger sticking around, which is not a great assumption, and a low power way to strategize.
>>94784404oh I see, we're in magical fairy land where we're not activating the thing we built our deck around every turn we can
>>94784420>Hurr durr low power!Yes anon, not everything is played at CEDH. Throne can stick on tables 7+ you contrarian idiot.
>>94784430Yes, it really does smack of a >I always have it!Theory crafter.
>>94784212I wish I encountered theft more in my meta to justify running this cutie. Coldsnap stays winning. I have entertained the idea of an Etali combo deck that has this in it just to simulate "total battlecruiser mode"
>>94784420>that relies on YOUR COMMANDER sticking aroundmost decks do
>>94784430Yes, that isnt magical fairy land at all amd it's foolish to imply otherwise.>>94784436The classic response. When evaluating whether a card is good or bad, you do it on power level. Many cards are good at "7+" but few are exceptional.>>94784450Which is a fools errand unless you have planned for specific ways to protect it long term.
>>94784335Rhystic is bad though
>>94784467yeah man, no one ever builds a deck around their commander's ability or runs protection for their commander, it simply isn't done
>>94784477Many people build bad decks. This isnt a surprise to anyone. It's the reason 4cmc + attack trigger commanders with no built in protection are basically unplayable at all but the lowest powerlevels.
>>94784503>6 mana for a 5/5 vanillaSimpler days. Better days.
>>94779938i still use invasion of ikoria, it was my pre-release foil and it's cool
>>94779938I use a couple of them. Invasion of Zendikar, Alara, Ikoria, Segovia, and New Capenna. I want to find a spot for Invasion of Karsus but I don't have one at the moment.
>>94779938I use Invasion of Ikoria in my dino deck (I hate tutors but it flips into a dinosaur) and Invasion of Zendikar in my mega ramp deck.I used to use Invasion of Tarkir in my Miirym deck because getting two copies of the dragon on the back was crazy but that deck's been taken apart.Invasion of Segovia is funny.Also I'm just a mega sucker for the aesthetic of the planes all making their last stand against phyrexiniggers.
>>94784329Nobody is arguing it's good in cedh
I love it. I need it.
>>94784671If you aren't constantly trying to build to win and be CEDH, quit the format. You're a scrub.
>>94784684crawl back to your CEDH ghetto, Wizards will be killing both of us to pander to you soon enough
WOTC I know you browse this thread, please make the tiers already!!Tier 0 should be most of the current ban list and also problem cards which are part of easy infinite combos (Animate Dead). Also cards outside most peoples price range. (LED, Mana Vault, true dial lands)Tier 1 should be good cards and staples (Sol Ring, Tier 2 should be mid cards that would otherwise never be played at high level.Tier 3 should be dogshit tier.PokemonShowdown has tiers for each pokemon and its fun to play different formats with weaker pokemon. Just follow that idea: Ubers, OverUsed, UnderUsed, NeverUsedOf course casual players can do whatever they want, thats the point. But competitive players need tiers
>>94784705>precons should be Tier 1!lmao
>>94784671But saying a card is very good is an objective statement. I based its badness on being played in the highest power format that requires optimal utilization. And morons called it dunning kruger and made a big stink when I was right. Aint even mad, it's how it always is.
>>94784705Wotc doesnt even browse the subreddit. Maro and the other faggots dont do anything but read their own tweets over and over again. They give zero shits about the game or what the player base wants.
>this obviously good card is bad by this one niche definition I made up in my head and never properly explained or elaborated onno one cares, post pics of your decks champ
>>94784717Most people don't play CEDH so your evaluation of how good it is in CEDH is irrelevant
>>94784738Just check the front page of edhrec
>>94784716Yes.Again,> casual players can do whatever they want
>>94784684>he thinks copying other cedh lists is building
>>94784738Not my problem, but like I said, it speaks to exactly my point; that lower power level people disagreed with my correct assessment and threw a fit.
Tell me about 3 color matters Omnath, is he fun? I love using the charms where I can and a deck where I get to use a ton of them sounds like a blast.
>>94784767your assessment was incorrect based on the most popular format, and the price reflects that
>>94784778it's not even 3 colors its 3 pips so something like cryptic command could work too
>>94784785>you're wrong because your assessment doesnt align to a format that does not care about how good a card isSure anon whatever you say.
>>94784810wait until you find out a card can have wildly different power levels depending on the format
Got to try two of my new decks! Lost both games sadly but I am happy without how they performed. Gargos was 6 player pod and he's not intended for that as though any commander is but still, my turn was right before the dimir control fairies turn so I very often caught his attention. Still "got second" and did as well as I expected, especially since it's a 75 dollar list up against some very strong decksSecond game I brought out Gollum, really overperformed compared to what I expected from him doesn't quite hav the oomph I needed to finish the game although I have like 10 supernatural effect cards and drew none and 1 turn where I got to cast some lifegain instead of recasting Gollum and I would've won. Eventually lost it to a Kriik list worth 100x what my deck is but everyone was on the ropes thanks to me until the last turn or two. Fun stuff they need a bit of tuning but I'm happy
>>94784697nta but Ima be real with you chief, WotC probably thinks the average casual EDH player wants cards so busted they would be restricted in Vintage.See:>Fierce Guardianship>Actually just most of the cards that say "If you control a commander">Pollywog Prodigy>Jew Lotus>Nadu>Storm>The One Ring>Leovold>GolosAll of this stemming from how people bitched insanely hard when they tried to make a proper banlist on MTGO. So the mental bar WotC has is probably unironically S o y Ring gameplay.
>>94784823Wait until you find out there is only one format for edh and delver was unplayable until the last banlist when psychic frog was tossed.
>>94784833CEDH and EDH are different formats in practice>delver was unplayable until the last banlist when psychic frog was tossed.literally the point I was making
I love this card but man it's so rarely ever worth it.Giving my commander perpetual +9/+8 is pretty great for 6 mana, but at that rate I could be playing something like Rage Reflection that gives all the stompers in my deck double strike, or just another 6 or 7-drop creature (with trample, at that).
>>94784838I'm not arguing semantics, keep coping.
>>94784857that's not semantics at all, you retard
>>94784810Meta determines strength and the meta in which roaming throne is played it is a very good card (battlecruiser). Carpet, REB, Pyro are all worthy cards in CEDH for obvious reasons but brick much more often in casual.
>>94784857Calling that semantics is like someone saying FIFA world cup and u16 soccer are the same format
>This card doesn't fit into the solved game that is CEDH, so its bad. Across the board. Its just shit okay?I'm going to piss myself.
>>94784870Pyroblast is a completely fine card in casual
>>94784866>same banlist>same card pool>same rulesSame format.>>94784870But the meta in which it's played essentially has zero quality of evaluation for any card (battlecruiser).
>>94784902WRONG, regular EDH has both a floor and a ceiling of quality. It's a low floor, but it's still there.
>>94784894A card that can brick is playable, it's definitely not good when you could instead have a card that actually furthers your gameplan or stops something in the scenario where the target isn't blue. It always stops something in CEDH unless you're facing 3 Kriiks, in which case Compost magically becomes best card in the format. You, of course, went for the best of the three when the point still stands for Carpet and REB.
>>94784902Play more games and you'll realize there are cards that do battlecruiser better than other cards.
>>94784705Not even going to read 99% of your post. WotC is the most tone deaf company on the planet. There's next to no chance they do any meaningful market research up to, and including what people are saying about the game. Nowhere is this more immediately egregious than in how they're handling DnD's writing because it's being done in a way that actively takes more effort and has zero profit potential.>Hmm yes, dragonborn. The playable race that strongly resembles dragons.>Let's retcon their lore so they all hate dragons. Surely people play the anthro dragon race because they hate dragons.>Hmm yes, half-dragons, I wonder what people will expect when they hear the name of this race...>Let's retcon that. We're going to paste the lore and appearance for dragonspawn over half-dragons and hope nobody notices. Now instead of being the product of racemixing like 99.9% of people would expect, they're artifical creatures. Let's also make them hate dragons.Genuinely these changes are baffling because it's basically anti-pandering for no conceivable reason. They're redlining over existing lore in ways that aren't even consistent with their own stated philosophy, which in itself is already very poor.
Autistic thing I'm mad about today is inr is reprinting only the mountain in retro border.
>>94784915Yup, which means basically everything fits.>>94784934Sure anon, whatever you say, I have a lower power deck and it was trivial to assemble.
>>94784940WOTC Isn't a company. It's a division of hasbro. They just let them keep the name.
>>94785003so replace WotC with Hasbro or company with division, autist
>>94785003>>94785012Hasbro in itself is a colossally retarded company given how they managed to fail at selling fucking lightsabers.Seriously how do you fuck THAT up?
>buying a single common of tcg player for 3 cents.Is there a worse feeling?
>>94785081the $5 shipping
>>94784927>A card that can brick is playablejust discard it with faithless looting
>>94785094Yeah....
>>94785103+ tax
>>94785107Yeah. I payed 5.26 for a 3 cent card. It hurts.
>>94785116at that point I'd just find something else that I already have to put in the deck
>>94785101Making the worst card in your hand worse doesn't make looting better.
>>94785140Faithless Looting is a great card, though
>>94785153Nothing is a good card unless it's in my deck.
>>94779938I like battles I hope they get more support soon. Tbh it was disappointing there was no "battle" commander in MoM >>94784562I put IoI (heh) in basically all of my green decks that have little to no human key creatures. I rarely flip it but it is a funny form of evasion if a little slow.
>>94784171i play kaalia and i would never play throne, its a do-nothing win-more card, put more cards in that either protect her or get her out and attacking sooner
>>94785182Woah anon, cool it with the cedh hot takes. Dont you know throne is the best battlecruiser card ever printed that goes in every deck and you're retarded to disagree?
>>94785182well yeah, you'd just run Isshin since he accomplishes the same thing and is 10 times cheaper than Throne. But Kaalia was just an example of a popular commander with a triggered ability.
>>94785203i just mean strionic resonator is better in the deck since you can play it before kaalia comes in and theres no other humans in the deck with triggered abilities. also strionic resonator can transition to doubling the triggers of your cheated-in bombs like aurelia which throne also cant do.>>94785257isshin is even better yeah
>>94785263I was joking anon, obviously you're right. You're a good guy.
Jesus, 523 replies. I'm baking new.
>>94785368>>94785368>>94785368
>>94782342>my opponents always are playing flying creatures, but also don't have flying creatures
>>94784856It probably does some good work if your commander wants green as it's background, but besides that it seems like a for fun kind of card.
>>94780476It's hot garbage in Henzie. It'll function, but there's a gorillion better cards to play for that mana cost
>>94785263>cheating in Aurelia>not hardcasting her so you can get the double combat immediatelyalso I'm pretty sure doubling Aurelia wouldn't be all that great unless you have something giving everything vigilance
