Previous: >>94777060>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Place your bets, what's getting unbanned in February?
>>94785368>what's getting unbanned in February?Some of the top CEDH commanders.
>>94785368Crypt and nothing else, +500.
If a card isn't in my deck, it's bad. As I am a god at this game.
I bought 3 copies of Flash for a buck each. Looking forward to them shooting to $4 a piece
Gay Bolas
>tqJew lotus and cryptBut at same time they'll roll out the tiers and they'll remain functionally banned for everything except cedhRCs ban essentially killed value of lci boxes for crypt and commander legends/masters boxes for lotus.
>>94785378Show us one of your decks.
>>94785404No peasant. Ascend to CEDH godhood on your own like I have.
>>94785403Jew lotus will probably be unbanned. Since without commander, it has 0 place in the game. I don't think anything else will be unbanned.
>>94785368TQ: Rhystic banned
>>94785368>TQplease god just let us nuke the lands, nothing else matters. I'll do anything please I just want to see destroyed lands before I die
>>94785368>TQ: Place your bets, what's getting unbanned in February?A few things not worth being there like griselbrand, maybe biorhythm or coalition victory.Absolutely not crypt or lotus. Anyone thinking that needs their head examined. I also highly doubt they'll do away with the banlist or any other of the magic christmas land dreams this thread has.
>>94785438There are plenty other unbanned land destruction anon.
>>94785434You say this like Black Lotus, Academy, or Flash have a place in the game right now.
>>94785446Flash is legal in vintage
>>94785446All of those cards are legal in other formats.Jew Lotus literally can not be played in any format but commander.
>>94785455?
>>94785466>3 mana that you can only spend on your commander, doubled to 6 mana, that you can not use on anything but your commander
So how good/fun is she? I have a bunch of elves lying around from an old deck that I'm not using.
>>94785477Oh nonononono ahahaha he really doesn't know
>>94785410I already have fren, I was going to measure your abilities.
>>94785483I made her into a pretty fun casual elf ramp deck, my two suggestionshave some good counterplay (I have a few reach spiders and fight spells) and have a few endgame monsters to use with all of the possible manathough my last game with her I did get btfo by inkshield after I swung for 78 pts of elf damage
>>94785477If I remember correctly, only the mana generated by JewLo has to be spent on commander, since the additional 3 is produced by Cube it doesn't have the restriction.But it's still a completely retarded combo that nobody plays because it's net -2>0 for JewLo>2 for cube>float 3 from JewLo>produce 3 from other sources>use to activate Cube>have 3Fucking worthless.
What are some lesser known honest Stax pieces in Esper? I don't mean boring shit like Winter Orb, but cards that punish nonbasic land use like Harbinger of the Seas, forcing single creature use like Silent Arbiter, limiting card draw, etc. Saw shit that doesn't just lock everyone out of playing, but forces them to make tough decisions.
>>94785483She's cancer. Doubling your dorks was a fucking mistake.
>>94785507gotta get that questing beast in there to stop prevention
>>94785509There's nothing honest about Stax. Ever.
>>94785509No-wide
>>94785440>Absolutely not crypt or lotus. Anyone thinking that needs their head examined.Football's comin' 'omeAlso lol at saying people need to have their heads examined when you think they're gonna unban Griselbrand. He can be cheated out so easily, and then you just -35 life and draw 35 cards.Never getting unbanned.
Likelyhood of dockside coming back?
Is the borderless for etali just regularly foil? I only see borderless and borderless mana foil but this is just regular foil. I'm keeping it regardless I was just looking it up out of curiosity
>>94785535That's kind of neat, sort of like giving everything the legend rule. If they reworded it like that and put it on a 6 mana card, I could see it.
why do proxyfags ALWAYS include the original fucking dual lands? Yeah dude I get it they're expensive as fuck you don't wanna buy one, reasonable. But they also cost more than my whole entire deck of real cards why should I be ok with your goodstuff pile running all 10 of them? I don't usually give a fuck about proxies, but every time someone pulls up with this faggotry I think less of them. I'm running maindeck Rootbound Crag my nigga I don't wanna see your fake Taiga on the same board.
>>94785542>He can be cheated out so easily, and then you just -35 life and draw 35 cards.You can currently do this already
>>947855465%It's too busted. Because it's on a creature you can flicker or reanimate it, and it goes exponential if not infinite. Dockside + Ephemerate can easily be 100+ treasures.The only reason I give it 5% is because it was a card printed for Commander and Wizards might start being more lax about that shit. But I doubt it.
>>94785561the reserved list was a mistake
>>94785542you can do this already with a 3 mana enchantment (necropotence) and a 5 mana sorcery (ad nauseum), both of which are better than griselbrand
>>94785561ABUR duals arent that much better than shocks, triomes, and the combination of available dual typed lands. Relax.
>>94785561If you're already going to proxy, what's the point in restricting yourself.>I'm already murdering someone, but I guess I won't rape them because that would be overboard.
>>94785561Proxyfags with no restraint are why I run nonbasic hate in my casual decks. Blood moon and ruination make them mald every single time.
brewing pic related, give me your favorite 2/2 creatures or token generators. I am already considering manifesting
>>94785602Can produce some funny loops with this.
>>94785581Necropotence gives the cards at the end step.Ad Nauseam (you didn't even spell it the way it's spelled on the card, shows how much you know) is a gamble because you're losing life for mana value. It's also much harder to cheat out an instant. 35 life for 35 cards at instant speed, that can be played immediately. It's far more powerful. Shocking that you don't intuitively know that.
>>94785535Ooo me likey. Tokens get rekt.
Anon in previous thread was disappointed in MoM not having a Battle commander, here she is.
>>94785634In esper it's also clone synergy that makes clones double as removal if they enter as a copy of something an opponent controls.
>>94785643what about one of the two 5c niv mizzets
>>94785535
>5-color player tries to Chaos Warp my Blood Moon>Wild Ricochet it, targeting 2 of his 4 basics>he gets 2 useless creatures out of it>scoops 2 turns laterHehehe
>>94785561I proxy and I don't include true duals as I do constrain myself to a pretend budget, but I really don't care if other people do. There's already so many dual lands where the cost is negligible, and in my pod the guy who included true duals pulls one maybe once every 5 games even with fetches.
>>94785595Some decks and strategies have high-price cards that are more or less irreplaceable, without anything that can even be argued to be a lower-power replacement. True duals, however, always have lower-power replacements.
>>94785667Good lands are very much a density thing. One more untapped dual is one more possible starting hand that doesn't brick because it's not a basic. All amounts to making 5 color piles have no downsides.
>>94785553>If they reworded it like that and put it on a 6 mana card, I could see it.Four mana, actually.
>>94785595i've proxied one deck and i only included "cards i might buy/can afford". didn't feel the need to go crazy. i still want to have fun and an even playing field within my playgroup
>>94785561>Have a real true dual>Get called out for proxying by people so much I don't run it anymore because its such a hassle.
>>94785690I love it
>>94785483I thought this was a dude?
>>94785509>honest Stax piecesThere's no such thing.
>>94785757no clue, anime dudes all look androgynous anyway
>>94785762Stax is the most honest thing you can do; they're usually symetrical. If you cant play around stax you have not built your deck correctly.
>>94785561>Be me>Have real dual lands>Everyone asks if they are real when I play them these days>People in awe at my expensive cards I bought when they were much cheaper>Autist shitters online foaming at the mouth about real dual lands and fake dual lands because real dual lands are extremely expensive>Dual lands become a symbol of opression to poor mtg players>Poor mtg players want dual lands banned because of crab mentality>People who dont own dual lands dont realize they only make your deck negligibly better unless you are doing some color heavy shit in 3+ color decks>The cost to power proposition for og duals is extremely bad>Poor shitters dont realize fetches are unironically more powerful than duals by miles>The only reason I own any duals is because I wanted to play legacy but the format basically died before I completed my legacy deck so I just wound up with a few duals that only go into my commander decks nowBut it is extremely funny that poor mtg players view og duals as a symbol of oppression despite the fact they really arent much better than shocks particularly in commander
>>94785665>Wild RicochetThis is pretty good. Been playing more redirect and copy others spells lately and they've proven to be surprisingly entertaining. Copying an opponent's Cyclonic Rift was fun. Started wanting to look into more of them.
>>94785778only poorly built stacks decks are symmetrical
>>94785561In the vast majority of situations switching out an og dual with a shock would have had the exact same outcome id argue triomes are better than og duals id definitely agree with you if they were showing up with mishra's workshop or gaea's craddle those are bullshit cards. Ultimately if you're playing against greedy man bases just run nonbasic land hate.
>>94785643She looks like the chick from Species
>>94785778>they're usually symetricalYou know that's not true at all anon. No one actually bothers with symmetrical staxs pieces.
>>94785684I get it and it's a fair argument but between shocklands and fetches alone if you're a 5 color greed pile that's already 20 potential dual lands that will come in untapped for a pittance of life. What we need us more non-basic land hate in every color to make basics great again.Btw greedy mana bases are a big part of why I'm trying to build a "soft" stax deck that will help humble my pod.
>>94785774Fair enough. That chin is impressive enough for me to think dude, but it could be the angle and elven nonsense.
>>94785828>the player accepted deckbuilding restrictions in order to punish your generic value piles
>>94785828The effects are, outside of broken design mistakes like Warset and K4rn. You play around stax in deck construction, it's not my problem if you cant go off through sphere of resistance, trinisphere or static orb. If the stax player can, you can too, and if you choose not to after seeing it you cant complain.
>>94785821Exactly, fetchlands are the real power behind og duals and id say triomes are a better fetch target these days
>>94785840Stax is plural on its own. The most powerful effects are all symmetrical, and sure they mitigate it in the design portion of their deck; you have the same opportunity.
>>94785865Not just that but fetchlands have an observable effect on card draw in terms of deck thinning lands and increasing the probability you draw spells instead
>>94785897Not in edh. But they give you extra tech where you can change the position of known cards (top or bottom or w/e) to a random place. Brainstorm isnt strong because it sees 3 cards, it's strong because you toss two dead draws on top of your library then fetch them away. Even better, you can grab a surveil land for greater profit.
>>94785869>>94785858i'm not saying stax is unfair or unbeatable, just saying it's not true symmetry. the stax pilot has built around it, and will use the pieces to their advantage better than your average edh deck at the table
>>94785920But they use them fairly. Something unfair is like running one creature in your deck and polymorphing your commander into it to win the game, or using top with a cost reducer and a way to cast cards off your library.
Its crazy how all edh bans are actual competitive bans framed as "to keep the format fun" bans.The actual logic behind the bans is always the same the as the reasoning behind competitive bans the only thing that is different is the framing of the stated reason.
Kind of shocked this isn't more than some other prints.
Has anyone else notcied that the more poppular EDH has become the more turboshitter normies want fun and powerful cards bannedIts crazy how the popularity of the format brought on the introduction of normie gamers will unironically kill the format and turn it into something less fun and shittier because average intellect people literally have 0 self awareness
>>94785985>More people are coming in>More people are becoming vocal about what they deem as "bullshit."That's just normal proliferation of knowledge anon. Accurate or not.
>>94785985Were you saying that same thing when paradox engine or braids were banned or do you just like appearing old?
>>94785948No.>>94785985Yup, exactly this. And when you explain why they're wrong, they throw a fit full of excuses and justifications about how they're actually super smart, despite playing 4 games of edh ever with their closed circle of friends. Then they use cedh as a blanket insult to avoid all responsibility, learning, development or accountability.
>>94786016braids was unnecessary. People were just to lazy to do what was needed to play against that deck.
>>94785643Ykw fren you got me there. I did pick up the oil slick non-foil for cheap a few months after ONE came out, might actually brew something with it now
>>94786022Okay anon answer the question though, have you been doomsaying the format since 2009 and been wrong for 15 years or has the format been invaded by babies since 2009 and the format is apparently in the process of a decades long murder?You're being dramatic.
>>94785994But its not a competitive formatThe entire idea they push is under the implication of the competitive nature of a format which EDH was not created for.Its exactly like I have stated, self unaware people will complain about things that they DO NOT CONCEPTUALLY GRASP about the format and kill the original format turning it into 40 life modern.
>>94786032You are the moron here anon. Every game played against people is competitive; only a true idiot thinks otherwise. What is meant by edh is not competitive is that there is no formal judges, tournament brackets, angle shooting retards, or stakes. It doesnt mean that improving as a magic player and developing the meta is bad. That's asinine.
>>94786032>But its not a competitive formatYes CEDH exists, and that has been pushing people to just move more toward that, than jank theme decks they just want to play for fun.Play Kinnan to have a bunch of cool beasts that just stomp around?Nah, go infinite turn 2 and vomit the must power blue and green creatures or eldrzai you can into a deck.
>noobs asking for bans is going to kill the format. allegedly >noobs have been getting cards banned for decades, and yet the format still exists and you're here afraid that it's going to die
>>94785547>using real human money for paper
>>94786028He's not me, but no I havent been playing since 2009, I came in probably around 2014.Nah, older edh was fun but with the proliferation of edhrec and the MTG youtube infuencers it seems like most of the modern EDH playerbase are just self unaware competitive shitters who dont understand its 4fun game mode, and like to artificially create conversation about what their competitive scope of EDH should look like despite the fact its literally not a competitive format.I always hated the banlist though.
When is this getting a reprint?
>>94786086black history month
>>94786079No. Shitters always complain at every opportunity, the only difference now is that people listened to them. Remember the ruckus deadeye used to cause? It looks like a hilarious joke in retrospect. Keep your philosophical musings to yourself, they only stroke your ego.
Weak bait
>>94786094Huh?
>>94786043Seems to me like you literally cannot intellectually grasp the idea of what the format was created for and now you are doing the thing where you do mental gymnastics and call me names.
>>94786105Sure I insulted you, but I'm right. All your saying is you didnt like my tone. The format was created so bored judges could play a GAME with WINNERS AND LOSERS where you COMPETE TO WIN. The only difference is the rules allowed different, underutilized cards to become good, and there was no formalized evaluation process.
>>94786093>Keep your philosophical musings to yourself, they only stroke your ego.And why would they do that?Because im right?
>>94786118Because your jerking yourself off, and it only serves to make you feel better. It doesnt further the discussion or counter anything that has been said.
>>94786105>Sure I insulted youYeah>but im rightBut you arent because you are assuming your motivations for playing the game has to be conformed to which is a you thing being framed as an everyone thing.>All your saying is you didnt like my toneThats actually not what I am saying, I am saying you insulted me which is a logical fallacy known as an Ad Hominem.>The format was created so bored judges could play a GAME with WINNERS AND LOSERS where you COMPETE TO WIN.These are non points the reason they created the format was 4fun.Alright, so where exactly are you right?
>>94785955None of the league of legends cards are really worth that much. The summoner's rift command tower doesn't even crack top 5 most expensive prints of the card. If they had picked some of the actual champions instead of a bunch of random spells you might see higher prices on the cards.
>>94786129Nah, you are just crying because you cant prove me wrong.Im literally right and you are mentally incapable of accepting it, its not a me thing you are fighting with its a you thing.
People get sick of seeing the same strong cards over and over again.This is true of constructed as much as it is in commander. They want bans because they want to see "fresher takes."There isn't anything wrong with this.There isn't anything wrong with wanting to use your strong cards to paid for, or cracked. You know your staples are strong, you should have a healthy understand that other people might get chaffed at seeing them and why.And the inverse is true also.
>>94786157Self unaware normies emulate edhrec and MTG youtube influencers then complain about the problem they literally created through their own actions?
>>94786146>replying like a crossboarderInto the trash it goes, not that anything of substance was said.>>94786154Explain how a game played between people with a winner and loser isnt competitive.
>>94786173>Explain how a game played between people with a winner and loser isnt competitive.I already have, your motivations are not the same as everyone elses motivations.Like i've already said you just arent intellectually capable of grasping.
>used to be world's biggest cyc rift hater>now realized that if i just never shut the fuck up about the blue player leaving 7 mana open it's easy to make them a pod pariah and 3v1
>Explain something to someone>They ask me to explain it to them>I tell them I already have and it seems like they at an intellectual level are not capable of understanding>They ask me to explain it to them
>>94786197Motivation is irrelevant. That can justify losing, but by virtue of a winner and a loser a competition has occured because the comparable nature has been established, and one is greater than the other based on the rules of the game.
>>94786218>Motivation is irrelevant.Motivations are literally the WHY of them playing the game.Bro, just stop.lol...Jesus fucking christ you are retarded as fuck.
>>94786200i always have it
>>94785542Grizzlebrizzle getting speshul snowflake movie poster reprint in Innistrad makes me wonder
>>94786229>throw this in most of my red decks>never have it when i need itit's like if blue had only one counterspell per deck
>>94786168>Show up at the lgs for the first time with jank deck you made from your collection.>Game after game you get absolutely dumpstered because you can't do anything because even at this low power table you just can't keep up with.>Learn more about the format. Keep seeing the same cards. Get annoyed at seeing them.>X card seems pretty busted, think they'll ever ban it?You act like you can reach the same conclusion without ever looking up anything online. Just getting frustrated at these powerful cards through osmosis.Also, just writing people who don't share your opinion as "Normies" is pretty self-unaware behavior. I want to win. I have Farewell in my deck. However I can understand how some people who be frustrated and think Farewell is unfair because maybe they're running reanimator and Farewell can be a big counter to their deck strat.They are allowed to be frustrated.
>>94786236i always have it
>>94785821I want dual lands taken off the reserve list and reprinted into the dirt
>>94786236I always have it.
>>94786252Same. Those deserve it. I'd like every card on that list printed into the dirt. Hell, not just that list but every card in general.
>>94786253this one's gonna pop off when they change how splitpips work for identity (copium)i really love the art on this one
>>94786272I wish this just said instant.
>>94786280It'd be a pie break and also a giga-staple if it did. (i do too)
>>94786228I suggest looking up what the word competition means, derp-kun, because you clearly dont understand and would rather smugly greentext.
>>94785985Wizards will kill the format (more than they already have) just like they killed Modern
>>94786272I ran the other 3 red counters posted for awhile.I got a few dank plays off them, but overall, its just not worth it to have 3 bricks in your deck if no one is blue. (which is very rare, but did happen.)
>>94786272That is good art but I feel this one matches name and feeling of a gruul wizard sick of counterspells
>>94786252They should just make new "not dual lands" that are Mountains that also have {T} add {G} in the text box and forests that have {T} add {R} in the text box. so now you have three times as many true duals for commander
>>94786280Counter target blue, black, or white instant spell is my compromise
>>94786157The reason they're staples is because they're either one of the gee of cards that do X, they're cost efficient, or they do X but have a secondary effect that's too good to pass up; eg, if you want to ping people to death with card draw, you are playing Nekusar. Other draw ping commanders are overcosted and/or have an extremely shit version of Nekusar's ability. In many cases there is no choice if you want a specific playstyle: I like Exalted, and quite literally the only Exalted Commander that lets you play the majority of the already extremely scarce exalted creatures in game is Rafiq, so if you want to play an Exalted deck you're going to be piloting Rafiq.This problem could be easily remedied by printing more cards that are directly comparable to these staples but maybe slightly less effective, or more expensive, or with one less ability. That way people who want to pursue a specific niche strategy that isn't just gayass RAMP DRAW COMBO value engines that make up 90% of commanders and their decks can spread their builds out and experiment more. They already did it with counterspell, which has dozens of variations on the classic spell. They can easily do the same for other shit like Rhystic, Smothering, Chaos Warp, etc. They can easily make a mini-kusar that's only RBU that just damages each opponent when they draw and drop the forced card draw. If they did people would play it. If they supported more niche strategies beyond gayass DRC cEDH gameplay people would branch out. But instead each set is 98% garbage to pad out packs, 1% good stuff, 1% broken/powercrept shit. If players have a problem with seeing the same cards don't bitch at other players. None of us have any power over what gets printed and nobody should hobble themselves just because some nolife autists are bored of seeing Card XYZ. If you want to see less current staples, go bitch at Maro and other devs. Stop consooming official product. Make your own original cards. Or just leave.
>>94786272>the chad Shadowmoor>>94786293>the virgin Duel Deck
Any good cards to put in a angel tribal deck?
I wish there was a mono-green "counter spell that targets a permanent or SPELL you control"
>>94786317Good angel cards
>>94786317probably some angels if i had to guess
>>94786317There are a quadrillion angel cards and angel synergy cards.
>>94786287It seems to me like the format isnt for you and you should instead play in an actual competitive format.You seem to be really confused because EDH is a 4fun format.
>>94786317Hmm tribal so roaming throne
>>94786325autumn's veil and veil of summer say hello
>>94786346>the only copy my lgs has of this is a 10$ foilevery time
>>94786317If you are running a tribal that hits white, this is pretty needed.Best I got for you, there are too many angels, or cards that make angels to shift through for a deck I'm not making.
>>94786343Sure thing gatekeeping retard-kun. Look up competition, you keep using that word but have no idea what it means.
>>94786372god im proving that dinosaur players are braindead with the fact i didn't know about thisright into gishath
>>94786317Coat of Arms
>>94786383Im not gatekeeping im just saying you seem to be confused about how the format is supposed to be played and that you should instead play a different format that is actually supposed to be played the way you want.
>>94786385I don't think you'd want that in Gishath, since you'd be putting dinos you want into your hand instead of straight onto the battlefield
>>94785955The original will always be more expensive because the art is so iconic and it will actually never again be reprinted.
>when you bring out a new deck, but it immediately gets it's 1 in 1000 perfect popoff and now nobody wants to play with it anymorepain
>>94786280Dispel already sees heavy competitive play in both cEDH and 60-card.
>>94786408The deck has like 39 dinosaurs, getting that much card selection early game is much better than caring about the random chance some nut-hit wouldn't happen when Gishath actually lands. The next 6 cards are just as likely to hold a big hit.
>>94786028>doomsayimg since 2009No and that's not necessary youre trying to reframe what he says so it's easier for you to try to speak against, you're retarded. And neither of these answers you provide are necessarily what has happened you are an incredibly dishonest person
>>94786402>I-I'm not gatekeeping>I just keep making wild assumption using words I dont understand to discourage playstyles I dont like
>>94786419Yes and I want it in red or green.
>>94786444also stocking up your hand helps you bounce back quicker after the inevitable board wipe
>>94786402>>94786460I'm gatekeeping, all cEDHfags should die
>>94786252That wont make you not poor though...
>>94786146Insulting someone is not a logical fallacy and that's not what an ad hominem is fuck sakes this thread is full of retards. Ad hom is when you attack the person (insult them) IN LIEU OF addressing their arguments. If you just insult them while arguing there is no fallacy you fucking retard
>in a group that's relatively new to magic>one faggot keeps playing meta cards with infinite combos We're not even experienced enough at the game to know if he's doing it right. Last week he played two infinite combos back to back and we just had to believe him when he said the game is over and we lose. This week he played a rhystic study and a one ring and I almost flipped out. We barely know what we're doing and this retard is causing a fucking arms race. The way I see it, I'm new to magic and barely know any of the cards, so if you play a card that I know, I already know it's gonna be some infamous meta staple bullshit. Fuck you if you're reading this Bryan
>>94786450Yeah when someone says something I tend to compare it to the broader historical context to see if it holds up to any sort of scrutiny. >"Just take what they say at face value and accept all their premises without question!!">And neither of these answers you provide are necessarily what has happenedthe dude himself admitted that only noobs wanted braids banned, braids got banned. so people asking for bans because they're bad didn't kill the format back then? why would it suddenly now? the answer is that you're either just making emotional guesses or you just got into the hobby recently yourself and are as inexperienced as the noob normies you desperately want to differentiate from. this can simply be deduced by what was said and what historical events happened.
>>94786464The best decks in Legacy and Modern do not need access to Dispel letting them fuck any attempt to remove their overloaded 1 drops.
>>94786486no, but it'd probably make at least one person who treats MTG like the stock market kill himself, which would amuse me
Commanders for this feel?>hardmode: no blue
>>94786460You seem to be running into problems...Particularly the ones where you have a desire to play a non competitive format competitively....
>>94786488
>>94786491force him to explain how he goes infinite and make him actually play out a cycle before you just believe him
>>94786503You did it again. Look up what the word you keep using means.>>94786478That's fine, you're a cool guy and I admire your convictions, unlike that retard who cant google a word he doesnt understand but insists on using.
>>94786496Card shops?
>>94786516he attacked you AND your argument, so it's not a fallacy
>>94786498Any mono red deck where you lose because you draw only lands or no lands
>>94786529the enablers of WOTC's infinite faggotry
>>94786491tell him to power down or proxxy up and match him, if neither happens then don't play with him. if 3 people want a certain style of game and he wants a different style of game he can go find people who want to play the same style as him.
>>94786491Some people don't know how to play around new players. Really helps to have a weaker simpler deck on hand to play with people who are playing straight out of the box precons or their first built deck. Is your whole group including that guy new or is he just spending more first?
>>94786538The people who buy card packs or carboard so they can play magic?
>>94786548No, they'd come out fine because they'd be able to get dual lands for reasonable prices.
>>94786491Tell us what infinite combos he's throwing out. You'd be surprised the number of cards that totally BTFO combos when you know what they are.
>You dont understand I need to play a 4fun format competitively>We have to reprint all expensive cards or ban them to get back at anyone who bought them because I am poor haha fuck them XDYeah...So the contemporary EDH players that I was complaining about that seem to be really insistent on ruining it for everyone else...Turns out a lot of those dysgenics post here
>>94786568Don't tell people to just try to counter the power-gamer. This will simply accelerate the arms race and push the power-gamer into CEDH par protection. Same with trying to 3v1 them. It's a neurological issue, it can't be helped.
>>94786587dual lands leaving the reserve list and getting reprinted to the level of shocks isn't going to significantly spike EDH power levels at all. The only people it would upset are investorfags, who are ruining Magic more than any other person involved with the hobby (besides Wizards)
>>94786557But that wont happen...Why are you waiting for a day that will never come?
>>94786602Dual lands reprint bros our day has finally come
where's that 140iq lawyer that was here yesterday, I have a question for him if he's reading:What would happen if wizards just decided to start printing reserve list cards again? Is there an actual legal agreement in place that's preventing them, or do they just really really promise that they won't? Even if there's no official agreement, is there some kind of tacit, verbal contract that they're now a part of?
>>94786312>In many cases there is no choice if you want a specific playstyle: I like Exalted, and quite literally the only Exalted Commander that lets you play the majority of the already extremely scarce exalted creatures in game is Rafiq, so if you want to play an Exalted deck you're going to be piloting Rafiq.I don't see a huge problem with this because it was a set-specific, faction-specific mechanic, like HauntMaybe they could make a bespoke precon commander for exalted that has hexproof and unblockable and draws 3 cards every time you wipe your ass but then it wouldn't matter if rafiq was one of 5 exalted legendaries, one would still be the only playable variant
>>94786587You still keep using that word. Do I have to screenshot the dictionary and link my post where I quoted it while describing edh, or are you willing to accept that you dont know what you're talking about and compromise without being a retard?
Kami's debut game went better than I ever could have hoped.>still waiting on a dozen cards to fill out the deck, only have Jace for a wincon, but play anyway to see what the it needs to shore it up>opening hand has Myriad Landscape and one island making commander uncastable, but keep because Mischievous Mystic early to make tons of fairies may be one best things the deck can do>also have Enter the Infinite, which is a meme and a dream I don't expect to ever actually cast and will probably discard to hand size early>draw the second island and get Kami down turn 3> then another player drops a Mana Flare>almonds activated>on turn 4 have access to 8 mana and Coveted Jewel in hand>drop it with an island open>another player tries to counter, I counter back>tap jewel, play the Sol Ring it drew me, Amphibian Downpour to neutralize all the opponents' creatures and make sure they can't take the jewel>next turn Mystic Sanctuary to get back Counterspell, Enter the Infinite leaving two blue up from one island>sidenote, one player had out Tithe but no cards in hand to spend the 84 treasures on>realize if Kami triggers on my draw step I'll lose before I can play Jace and let out a quiet, but audible "Oh shit" which I then explain to the table while laughing>start looking through my cards, knowing there's got to be an answer somewhere in the deck>decide to bounce Kami on last opponent's end step>until someone decides it'll be funny to gift me a card>Counterspell, start hinting that I still have an out>no one picks up on it and they still think I'm out of the game>still have plenty of mana to deal with Kami in my upkeep>drop Jace with plenty of mana up for protection and win I almost feel like I should take apart the deck now, it can't perform much better than this.
>>94786628>do they just really really promise that they won't?this one, the policy isn't legally binding and they can just change it if they wanted to. It's their intellectual property, they can do whatever they want with it.they'd probably get credible death threats, though
>>94786593>bro don't tell new players to run interaction and give them examples of good ones to run to counter infinite nonsense!Stay salty combofag
Have you won a game with worldfire anon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jTyPu8LdhE&t=228s
>>94786628>decided to start printing reserve list cards again? Is there an actual legal agreement in place that's preventing themNo?Its their game, and they made the rule for the list, they can remove it at any time.This is like saying your going to sue your neighbor for him painting his house blue after saying he wouldnt 10 years ago.
>>94786670Anon after this works once the power game will go whale out and buy a fierce, force, tef, or deflecting swat. If they aren't already in his deck. If he doesn't just win before you hit 5 or 6 mana with his ancient tomb or mana vault.
>>94786721If he signed an agreement with the homeowners association, or material damages resulted from painting his house chrome and the reflections of the sun set your lawn on fire (real thing btw, usually with skyscapers without a light study) he can be sued.
>>94786758if the dude is already running One Ring and Rhystic Study, he's probably also already running those cards. Maybe not FoW.
>>94786086Gee, anon, I don't know.
Why are people asking about dual land reprints when it already happened
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94786516Thank you for proving me right anon :D like did you not read the entire thing?
>>94786669Not only can they, but they have. Sol Ring was RL.
>>94786491The best thing you can do is to be as straight-forward as possible and tell him respectfully to play his weakest decks or you're not going to play with him. If his weakest decks are still too strong, or if he says okay but still pulls out a strong deck, then either lend him one of yours (if you're actually his friend) or if not go tell him to go to the counter and buy a precon.A few years ago while I was still in and college and didnt have the money to own more powerful decks I did this to a certain asian mask-wearing (possibly tranny??) autist who always came to battlecruiser table to pubstomp and it actually didn't work at first, he was argumentative and wasn't cooperative. I didn't try to argue with him but just silently left alone. But after a while the other scrubs finally decided they cared more about being able to play the game than keeping up appearances being polite to an asshole so they rejoined me and our problem went away. This scenario repeated a little bit later with a fat kid who actually was cooperative and built an ooze tribal deck just for playing with us and that was a pretty wholesome and vindicating moment for me.Rule 0 is literally the most fundamental core aspect of EDH as opposed to other formats, don't let the dumbass faggots here tell you you are wrong for trying to enforce it.
>>94786902Demonic Tutor too
>>94786628Nothing it's an agreement they made in good faith with the older community. Even if it was a written contract who would have signed it? Wotc and themselves? In a weird way the reserve list does show wotc cares about it's community at least the one who made the game big cause they have never had any actual reason to uphold it
Why would Hasbro even need to adhere to an agreement they never made? WOTC does not exist as a company. They are a Hasbro division. Hasbro owns them, not whoever made that promise nigh 30 years ago. They never promised jack shit.
>>94786902>>94786926I literally quit because Tinker was printed straight to reserved and now it's not anymore 20 years later.
>>94786491>>94786925Question for people like this: do you play other games like this? If you played a fighting game and didn't know how to execute your characters super or advanced combos would you demand your opponent not use theirs? Would you demand your locals have a hugbox bracket for the people who refuse to improve or play better?
>>94787000You have to be so retarded to think executing your characters inputs is the same as throwing rhystic one ring thoracle combos into every deck.
>>94785368Flash is never getting unbanned.
>>94787000don't be obtuse, you're smarter than that. There is no skill to playing an infinite combo. There is simply drawing the right cards (or tutoring for them). It's like if you were playing a fighting game and your friend bought a skin from the shop that had a 1% chance to oneshot you with every punch. of course you'd ask him not to use it
>>94785602I brewed it as hatebears, built to to where it's playable today. Going to play it for the first time on Monday.
>>94786301You almost got your wish
>>94787000>If you played a fighting game and didn't know how to execute your characters super or advanced combos would you demand your opponent not use theirshave you ever played smash bros with a group of friends before? YES, you faggot. there always one guy who's way better than everyone else and he usually jumps around or drops a couple stocks to make it more fun for everyone to play.
>playing basketball with my son>he goes for the shot, slap the ball right into his face. >scoop up the ball, laugh, and dunk it.>kid crying, wife screaming at me. >I tell her we were playing a competitive game, the little shit needs to git gud.
>>94787067Okay, go play a pickup game in the park and try crying to the basketball americans when they don't go easy on you just because you're new and see what they have to say :)
POLL: QUESTION ONE: Would you have more fun if all alternate wincon cards were banned in commander?QUESTION TWO: Would the game feel more competitive without alternate wincon cards?QUESTION THREE: Despite your previous two answers, do you feel like alternate win conditions are interesting, conceptually?QUESTION FOUR: What's the power level of your main deck?
>>94787094clearly you've never played a game of basketball in your life because the first thing a group of niggas would say when playing with a sorry ass player who has the ball is "AYO LET HIM SHOOT!"
>>947870961. No. 2. No.3. Yes.4. What's a main deck? My strongest? The one I play most? My most played is a 7, because that's the sort of pod I encounter most. I have a CEDH deck.
>>94787096one of these cards is not like the others
>>94787035These weren't half bad. Better versions of the tainted ones. Just hope they get reprinted consistently.
>>94787096>QUESTION ONE: Would you have more fun if all alternate wincon cards were banned in commander?Alternate wincons are only fun to play against if there's some kind of impending buildup. Like millennium calendar. It's never fun to be in the middle of a heated game and then some faggot pops down a thoracle combo and wins in half a turn. >B-BBUT JUST USE COUNTERSPELL???actually I like to use my counterspells to stop things that are actually happening in the game, not hold them in my hand on the offchance someone pops off an insane combo randomly >QUESTION TWO: Would the game feel more competitive without alternate wincon cards?In most cases yes>QUESTION THREE: Despite your previous two answers, do you feel like alternate win conditions are interesting, conceptually?Yes>QUESTION FOUR: What's the power level of your main deck?8
>>94787096jace and labman can be removed while your next source of card draw is on the stack (although planeswalker removal is on like 5 cards)thoracle can only be stopped by a blue player
>>94787096>can be two-card combo'dlame and gay>can't be two-card combo'dfine, probably hilarious (unban Coalition Victory)
>>94787132>thoracle can only be stopped by a blue player
>>94787094Too bad I won't go easy on them. When I walk onto the court people leave. That's how COMPETITIVE I am. I literally have to go to courts I've never been to and play people I've never met to get games. Once they realize how good I am they literally leave in fear. I constantly cause other players to scoop up their ball and go home. I am that good.
>>94787132ahem
>>94787096Entirely depends on the alternate win condition. Something that can combo into the win every time on turn three or without any buildup is kind of lame. But there is room for these kind of cards. Just depends on execution. A little annoying three of them in the same color are printed. Powerlevel of my main deck would probably be mid. I'm attacking and little else.
>>94786498Spending three weeks with 130 cards in various rows and piles on a table that you futz with every couple days before deciding the deck is shit and putting them all in one pile on one big table full of similar piles. Then play no games.
>>94787096>no>no>yes>8-9AlsoWhat does thread think of Varina, Lich Queen? Thinking of doing a zombie deck to replace my Knight deck for a change of pace. Thinking of aiming for combat primarily with maybe a combo or two for finishers.
>>94787193Like this one better for thoracle combo, split second means they can't counterspell their way out of it.
>>94787039You played smash with pussies lmao
What deck wants these creatures? There's about 12 of them that either shuffle/return to hand/stun counter the creature(s) they block
>>94787209>Varina, Lich QueenShe's in interesting colors for a zombie commander. That she loots on attack means she's got a bit more versatility than the usual zombie commander I would think of, Sidisi Brood Tyrant. Though that you have to pay mana into her zombie creation does give me pause. Especially since it has to be from your grave that you exile into her creation effect. White does mean you can use the zombie generating God-Eternal Oketra and Ratadrabik of Urborg which is a neat plus. Got a starting list for her yet or are you mostly just spitballing ideas?
>>94787240they're called "friends", have you ever heard of one before?
>another edh night where you are the only person who casts removal all gameNo point really i might take it all out or replace it with more board wipes all that happens is I get teamed up on for removing threats
>>94787250Firkraag maybe? Seems like the majority of forced attacking cards usually make it so your opponents creatures have to attack players other than you so it's hard to force someone to attack into Gomazoa until it's just you and one other player. They're weird. Seems like they're just there as attacking deterrent rather than something you can really plan around. If Thantis had blue that could be an interesting card in it.
>>94787209do you want wide zombies or tall zombies
>>94787267Yes and we all became excellent smash players because we value seeing eachother excel and you don't do that when you're being coddled
>>94787271and the boardwipes will make the archenemy status even worse
>>94787258Just spitballing. Probably gonna move my Alhammeret's Archive, Rhystic, Teferi's Ageless Insight, Patchwork Banner, Earnest Fellowship, Valor, and Wonder over from Sidar JabariI also have a Demonic and Vampiric TutorAs for lands I have a reasonably good Esper landbase with a Tundra, Raffines, Cavern of Souls, Reflecting Pool, some bonds and shocks, etc.As for the meat and potatoes of the deck, I've only got a couple ideas like maybe Gravespawn Sovereign, Gravecrawler, and using Angel's Trumpet as a combat forcing shitpost lmao
>>94787289Playing good cards does not actually make you good at magic. They massively simplify the game both in deckbuilding and in actual play because with a narrower pool of cards you can reasonably anticipate what you will see and encounter and have less to learn how to threat assess.
>>94787288I feel like wide gives me more draw/discard into potential combos, and can justify stuff like Warren Soultrader, Zombie Trailblazer, and Necroduality
>>94787306What does this have to do with the fact that you and your friends are pussies anon?
>>94787319woah big shocker the staple defender is retarded. part of the usual trend i see of staple-slaves in my locals getting absolutely bodied in draft events
>>94787271I know that feel. My last game I got a few big beaters out and was close to killing the Nekusar player who had bloodcheifs ascension out. The other blue sperg shits himself and casts evacuation before I even get to my combat step. Claimed he thought I was going to kill him.Nekusar player slaps down mindcrank and his commander again.
>>94787250All of those creatures are pretty bad. Most block triggers in general are pretty poor. Nobody without a plan is going to haplessly swing their best creature into your trap. Some of them (like Gomazoa) used to have a fringe home in the format when you could still tuck your opponent's commander back into their deck. It pretty much never happened and was only there as a voltron deterrent, which was a much more common strategy back then. If you had to play them somewhere I'd play them in an Azorius or Izzet deck without too many creatures that wants to be left alone.
>>94786317If you've got one, Urza's Incubator too. I've cast Gisela for RWW with the two on the field only for her to be counterspelledLyra Dawnbringer is also a no-brainer.
>>94787334Where did i defend anything anon? I saw a post about some pussies playing smash and I called them out
>>94787298>WonderThis is the kind of card I'd keep in nearly every blue deck. Especially Sidar. It enables so much for an attack focused deck that also loots so easily. Don't think I'd remove it at all and would rather just get a second. Unless your plan is to scrap the Sidar deck. Either way, I do like the idea of messing around with Gravespawn Sovereign. Though it may be tough getting him on board without reanimating or Rooftop Storm funny business and generating the mana to make that much zombies, it's still neat. Zombie Trailblazer isn't an include I had thought of before but I think that is going straight into my zombie Muldrotha. She's been my go to zombie commander. I like the idea of capitilizing on the looting aspect of Varina, Lich Queen you're spitballing. Maybe also think about stuff like Wilhelt and some of the other decayed zombie makers.
Has anyone done dungeon synergy
>>94787339Youre bad you stupid bitch ass dweeby cat. There definitely not good but they are neat cards. I had similar thoughts a different approach to pillowforting kind of let's me durdle around until I do some degenerate combo shit epic style
>>94787381With what commander? Dungeons are one of my favorite little addition to some decks and something like the initiative can shake up a game nicely.
>>94786587You should take your retarded bait to a website that will actually pay you for (you)s
>>94786848Those are just really expensive proxies
>>94787209One of my favorite decks.https://archidekt.com/decks/10817443/zombies
>>94787392Idk, what works with it?Im running the Seasoned Dungeoneer in Burakos, Folk Hero. I kind of wanted to add this, but I dont have enough dungeon synergy in the deck as is
>>94787130Don't worry they definitely wont
>>94787422Yeah, I know. This game is completely shit at reprints.
>>94787377Good plan, and yeah I'm definitely gonna scrap Sidar if I build Varina. Also, worth noting that if you run Filth, Zomboe Trailblazer can make your entire group of boys unblockable with a low investment cost (since Urborg is 40ish dollars) and is easily thrown in the bin by the same method.I'll note down Wilhelt and other decayed zombiemakersI'm at my dad's so here's a pic of the stuff taken from my Sidar deck
>>94787415>>94787381I feel like outside of looping a dungeon as a wincon it's not really worth it because initiative can be taken away easily it'd be a hassle and the payoffs for having actually completed one are pretty minimal i think less than 20 cards care about that split up mostly between esper
>>94787209Also thinking of making a Varina deck, I figure if the new Esper precon is ass, I can probably rip it to pieces for parts.
>>94787447True, I'll wait til the list is revealed myself but that's a good idea too
>>94787409Thank you for the list, I'll check it when I can
>>94787415Stuff like White Plume Adventurer and Seasoned Dungeoneer work well without needing to worry too much about dungeon synergy. The initiative is the dungeon that requires the least amount of build up and concern since it happens every upkeep and you can get it back with some ease depending on the deck. There are some general alright cards you can run that benefit from it like Nadaar, Selfless Paladin, or Barrowin of Clan Undurr, or Triumphant Adventure, but I usually like it as an addition to the main game plan rather than the main game plan. Unless you're playing Sefris. In Burakos you naturally are attacking so he can do nicely with the initiative since attacking is part of your game plan and attacking is how you get it back.
>>94787441>initiative can be taken away easilyWell in theory the "venture into the dungeon" effects would be the way to progress.
>>94787431I think I mentioned this a while back when you were posting your Sidar but for sure I suggest Glory. Especially since this deck is in the same colors and likes looting. Since you're scrapping Sidar for this you have a solid foundation to start with there. Both the colors, repeatable drawing focused cards, and tribal focus means you can make the change pretty easily I'd think. Do you plan on running a lot of zombies in the deck or is the idea only a few zombies and instead you'll be generating zombies with the commander instead?
>>94787409Thanks Anon, I've had Linda on my to-build list for a while and this is a good kick in the pants to get started.
>>947870961. Not really since I hardly ever encounter these types of cards in games. My lack of enjoyment concerning them usually stems from dishonest fuckheads asking for low-power games so players are less likely to be able to stop the cheese.2. Just looking at CEDH as a frame of reference and how many combos function without these types of cards, I'm inclined to believe very little would change about the competitive nature of the format.3. I don't think they're inherently interesting as a concept. Cards that abruptly end the game are unfun to play against, and slow, telegraphed conditional wins suck ass to play in a 4-player ffa setting. Cards that cause a player to instantly lose are better because they're functionally the same in a 1v1 and the game still goes on in multiplayer.4. Idk, pretty strong but definitely beatable.
>>94787482I did pick up a glory based on your suggestion, actually! Glory is really decent here, and combined with Earnest Fellowship I basically get protection from almost any color on a whim. I'll slot that in as another good capitalization on looting. I've got Reanimate, Victimize, Animate Dead, and I'm sure I can fit in things like Dread Return.I'm aiming to have a lot of zombies to cast/play as well, and more token generators so I can amass an army of them. I'm not actually sure what kind of combos Zombie decks run, but I'm sure there's some ways to spin my wheels and win.
>>94787067Playing pickup with your son isnt really a game, it's an experience. The rules of basketball dont apply. Personally I think you should swat his first couple shots into the stands so he realizes he needs to work hard and practice if he wants to be good; it's a good life lesson.
>>94787108Yes, so they can mock you when you miss. They recognize your low level of skill and want to insult you.
>Mono green and gruul player who thinks any combo is cheating is in pod>He ramps up his buttfuckery swinging with huge ass creatures completely fucking up the table>Laughs about how his decks are too strong, whoops!>He'll have to not play it as much huh>I ass pull a combo to win>He goes silent>Puts his hand out for handshake>Says ''well there won't be any answer to that... so whatever" (a simple counterspell would have killed it)>Always tells me I run cheater decks and won't play with me unless I run some shit deckI'm so tired of this guy.
>>94787306>this retarded takeWant to know how I can tell you get your shit pushed in all the time?
>>94787067The funny part of this is like a hallmark of adolescence is your dad realizing he doesn't have to go as easy on you as he used to because you're no longer a whiny ass kid who will cry when he loses and instead youre someone who is becoming a man and improving at the things he likes
>>94787482>>94787505Just make sure you get the kino version
>>94787523>Pick dogshit commander>He accepts to sit down and play with you>Deck contains 15+ creature board wipes>Watch as Timmy's sanity is melted away wipe after wipe
>>94787523Treat him the way he deserves to be treated: push his shit in over and over until he adapts or quits. Offer to help him, explain your combos clearly, but dont give him pity wins. You gotta earn that shit.
>>94787550yeah and notably that comes after adolescence, which in this analogy would be after the new player you've been stomping with your cEDH deck like a faggot becomes experienced at the game and begins to actually put up a fight. You're beating up little girls in the bathroom to feel powerful. Kill yourself
>>94787505Got ya. Well Noosegraf Mob is a sort of fun way to generate a bunch of zombies over the course of a turn, if a bit expensive. And in Esper you've got a lot of ways to reanimate it or clone it or blink it however many ways you'd like. But that's more of a silly for fun include. I like The Scarab God in my zombie deck. He scrys with zombies and generates zombies while helping getting rid of things in your opponents graves you'd rather have yourself. There are pretty much no end to zombies in Dimir and with a little extra in white. Primarily Ratadrabik which really does a lot for zombies and legendary creatures in general. Zombie Master is a decent way to also easily get in with zombies since he gives board wide swampwalk and regenerate.
>>94787554That's a pretty crazy version, I only have the standard old print.
>>94787523Your both retarded
>>94787563Seems like you're calling yourself a little faggot crybaby, which is fine, but no one is obligated to treat you as such.
>>94787523The other day I joined a rando pod and one guy complained about the power level of my deck literally right after both other players fucking tutored for part of their combos and used free spells to hit my stuff.
>>94787565That could definitely be a lot of fun to use, I appreciate all the input, anon!Zombies are a tribe I've never fully committed to because I was worried it'd be samey or boring.Also looking at Bone Miser, Cryptbreaker, Ghoulcaller Gisa, and I have an old copy of Necromancer's Covenant
>>94787586I don't care anymore, people are awful.I run Goblins with 3 tutors and Seething Song and people bitch and whine endlessly while they drop One Ring's, Teferi's Protection, turn 3/4 winning ramp decks.Fuck 'em. Poor losers always have excuses for being shitters.
>>94787617Holy fuckin based
>>94787523>>Mono green and gruul player who thinks any combo is cheating is in podBASEDMagic as richard garfield intended
>>94787617You've learned to hate. Well done.
>>94787563>afterNope lol sorry to hear about your dad
>>94787609>Zombies are a tribe I've never fully committed to because I was worried it'd be samey or boring.Yeah that's a fair concern. There's a good deal of good zombies to pick from but there are clear good picks that work together well and it's easy to make a deck of just all the good ones and call it a day. There are some cool ones that could spice things up a bit, a couple from the Fallout set of all things, and there's still some experimenting to play with. With the commander in question I think some of the blue copy guys would be good too. Sparkdouble and some of the other enter as a nonlegendary copy ones but even things like Phantasmal Image can do some good. Especially those nonlegendary copy ones. Double or even triple up your commander's triggers with ease.
>>94787404They are official MTG reprints for a 4fun game mode.
>>94787523Some people will complain no matter what unless they win. Better to just play your deck and do what it does and ignore their complaints.
>>94787096The problem with those cards in particular is not that they are an alternate win condition, but that they completely flip a loss condition into a win condition. I don't like that as a game design choice.
>Tell TG duals actually got reprinted recently>"They are just expensive proxys bro"WOAH, the only ones complaining about duals are competitive shitters who want to build a competitive deck in a 4fun game mode?Really makes you think doesnt it...
>>94787673I think I broke your brain. It's been hours.
>>94787673Makes me think there is something wrong with you anon no one cares if you wanna make bad decks if that's fun for you but don't wear it as a badge of pride and dont try and make people approach the game the same as you
>>94787677You can think what you want, it doesnt manifest in reality.
>>94787638That's not a bad idea too, I was thinking of putting in some token doublers that didn't make it after my Esper Artifact deck got disassembled. I have an Anointed and Mondrak waiting in the wings. And a Roaming Throne with no home if I have enough triggers in the deck.
>>94787683Non compeititve game mode champMaybe you go back to modern or perhaps something you can afford like pauper
>>94787695Anime image board champ. Where's your K-on reaction image?
>>94787700Pic relMy favorite K on character inuyasha
>>94787686Anon you were proven wrong, conclusively in a variety of ways, and have been acting a faggot ever since. Why on earth would anyone think your opinions are rational or worthy of respect? Is this the example you want to establish for how "casual" players act? Your feelings got hurt because you refused to do research and now you're throwing a temper tantrum, which was the exact behaviour that was initially criticized. Go to bed, wake up, have a shower and a coffee, and things will be better.
>>94787731I was never proven wrong, the motivation of one player to play competitively does not make the game mode a competitive game mode.It was designed as a 4 fun game mode per is creators.I was never proven wrong, you are just doing the thing where you state you are right despite it never happening.You have a psychological inability to admit wrong and that has nothing to do with the balance of the game or the banlist its a you thing.
Why does every edh player look like this? Also why is the professor guy's gameplay videos always filled with trannies and other monstrocities?
Stop being an autist
>>94787770>T. fragile ego narcissist autist
>>94787769Lot of fags in the hobby, unfortunately.
>>947870961. Yes.2. Yes.3. Yes.4. 6
>>94787769Ya he literally had a guest who introduced >herself as >her streamer name, DickGirl
>>94787769HRT hit the nerds in the 10s like crack hit the niggas in the 80s
>>94787762Yes, you've said that. Repeatedly. But you literally do not know what the word competitive means and it's the basis of your whole retarded argument. Read nigga, read. The comparable nature is the game. One player is as good or better than. Ergo the game is competitive you dumb fuck. What edh specifically refers to when it says it's a casual format is that it's an unsanctioned format, meaning it doesnt have organized dci tournament structure, ranking system, or adjudication. It has nothing to do with keeping a low level of relative competency, a simplified meta, or anything of the sort; that is your own personal justification.
>>94787096>QUESTION ONE: Would you have more fun if all alternate wincon cards were banned in commander?I think some should be banned. Thassa's is too good. Coalition victory is fine. Revel in riches is fine.>QUESTION TWO: Would the game feel more competitive without alternate wincon cards?Neither. I think the competitive format would have more diversity which is a good thing though. >QUESTION THREE: Despite your previous two answers, do you feel like alternate win conditions are interesting, conceptually?Yes>QUESTION FOUR: What's the power level of your main deck?8.
>>94787821He's doing that thing where he has his own unique definition for competitive and is such a narcissist that he thinks his definition is the actual definition.
>>94785485You do need 3 non-JL to use the cube, making it just a filter at that point and a bad rock unless you've already got a lot of mana past that.I guess having 3 mana and 4 JLs and a doubling cube would be good, but that's unlikely.
>>94787821It has literally 0 to do with a non competitive game mode.Casual means 4 fun.> unsanctioned formatIts sanctioned by Wizards its an official format you are just doing more lies and mental gymnastics.You are fucking retared its not up for debate its a fact its a 4fun game mode.You are a retarded narcissist and you are wrong and you are psychologically unable to admit you are wrong because you have a weak ego.All the facts say you are wrong and all the logic says you are wrong.
>>94787862even something played for fun is competitive. Rock paper scissors is competitive.
>>94787868Sorry bro its not how it works.Just admit you are wrong, quite trying to save face.If you dont admit you are wrong you just make the same mistakes over and over, embarrassingly so just like you have the entire thread.
My favorite YouTube edh channel just dunked on my favorite color and called it bad :(
>>94787851I'm well aware, and I was content insulting him then leaving it be, but the whole thing started based on a comment that unqualified retards are making arbitrary, emotional ban decisions. Then when you explain why they're wrong, they bury their head in the sand, use sweeping generalizations to avoid any development, accountability, or responsibility, to which he responded by doing exactly that. For hours. Over the definition of a word he could have searched in one second.
>>94787878Dictionary>You
>>94787862It literally doesnt matter what your opinion is. You are not qualified to participate in the discussion because you will not do the necessary research to justify your arbitrary position.
>>94787885If you never admit wrongdoing you will never stop making mistakes.You can never be better than what you currently are which is flagrantly wrong and ignorant to facts that are so easy a child can understand them, but you? Unable...lol...
>>94787879The tier list rn is Blue >> Green = Black > White > Red I don't think there's much debate here anon. Don't feel bad, if you play Red it means you're fighting with training weights on. If you're playing blue you should feel bad though and nerf yourself intentionally to make the game fair.
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>When the dude who is wrong starts posting meme images because he cannot refute what you are sayingLongest but easiest win of my life.
dis nigga avoided quoting the post cause he thought he got recursive filtered and wanted the last word lol
>>94787930You've been doing that the entire threat you fucking retard. The purpose of this discussion was to demonstrate that people who dont know what they're talking about should be ignored, and you've absolutely proven that correct.
So, I've had this dumb idea to play gonti from the thunder junction precons but to use clones. I just can't seem to get the deck to work, it either stalls out without any clones for gonti or it doesn't have any way to hit the opponents so I have no exiled cards. Any ideas on how to make a good gonti clone list?
>People who invented commander say its 4 fun>Its sanctioned as a 4 fun format by Wizards>Autistic lil fella tries to say "No no you dont understand its magically different" because he psychologically cannot handle being wrong
>>94787957Bro I keep reading the entry for competition on dictionary.com but it ain't changing to your personal definition.
>>94787944i mean you can run clones i just don't see the synergy with tj gonti
>>94787957I screenshotted the goddamned commander website that says it's competitive under the motherfucking format philosophy, you addled retard. It says to prioritize the social aspect immediately after, but it says nothing about making a stagnant low powered meta. You are literally arguing against the fundamental constructs of the format, refusing to google words you dont understand, and are repeating yourself like a bot stuck in a loop.
>Me talking about what the purpose of the format is and its stated purpose>Some autist nigga getting into semantics because he is wrong
>>94787971For each clone you get another card from whoever you hit and the cards get cheaper. The main issue I have is its hard to balance everything. I'm thinking a ton of card draw would help, but then I'd be focusing on just my own cards and not casting others.
>>94788021the clones won't get cheaper? i still don't see what the synergy here is, you steal your opponents cards and copy them to hope to cobble together their synergy pile before them?
>>94787993That sure is related to commander, and not a random screenshot of some asshole making an unqualified and arbitrary point. The goddamned dictionary is the referent for definition, and you havent provided an alternative. But that doesnt matter, because you are also some unqualified irrelevant asshole who should be ignored, based on the content of your posts and ability to understand commander as a format.
>>94788021wouldn't just cheap evasive creatures on the low end, card draw, and then clones make more sense?Also you are most likely also stealing legendary things which don't work with clones.Clones don't do anything by themselves and if you just want a clone deck build Mirko, Obsessive Theorist with blink effects
>>94788036Not the clones, the cards from exile. Gonti says "Spells you cast but don't own cost 1 less to cast." so each clone of gonti gives you an instance of that discount.
>>94788056Most clones don't make things non legendary so you aren't even accomplishing anything and will have to sac them due to the legend rule
>>94788055It looks like he wants to use stuff like Sparkdouble to make nonlegendary clones of Gonti so the cards he gets off his opponents cost less and less.
>>94787944Helm Of The Hosts is definitely something I'd suggest for this idea.
>>94788056oh i get it now. gonti is pretty big, maybe just put in some overrun effects to give him trample? he has decent stats and that's a way to make stolen goods better beaters too
>>94787769he lives in portland
>>94788068Every clone spell or creature makes a non-legendary clone, with maybe 2 or 3 being normal clone spells. Also include Mirror Box and had Mirror Room, but had to cut it. Let me see if I can make a quick moxfield list of the current build.>>94788080I didn't think of overrun, that is a good idea
>>94788044The only way I think you could possibly embarrass yourself further is probably by shitting your pants in front of the entire thread.You have basically done it all at this point.Logical fallacies, lying, ignoring blatant and easy to understand facts.when you get proven wrong after hours of explaining the same easy to understand things to you, you switch to another logical fallacy.Couldnt imagine being so mentally ill.Are you going to do the "I was trolling or trying to get you mad bro" one next?
>>94787916> GreenCopeIts more likeBlueBlackRedWhiteGreenWith green being better at lower power tables
>>94788094https://moxfield.com/decks/cutEk3XNY0iKN_4ua1S9VwGonti clone list
>>94788074That is in there. It was one of the things that first sparked the idea, just a random pull from a deck
>>94788112Aww, anon is mad. Adorable. Good night anon, reflect on your posts and remember, the dictionary and even the official commander format philosophy disagrees with you.
>>94787565Does this dude actually want to be in a go-wide zombie deck? I pulled him from a pack on Christmas and was keen to finally have an excuse to go in on Zombies, but everyone online keeps saying it's a trap and he's more of a control Commander.
>>94788141Honestly not sure what else one could add. Maybe some reanimating for late game stuff but besides that it looks like you've got most of what one would want in a deck like that. Maybe some of the Swords of such and such and some general ramp cards to recast Gonti as well? Key To The City?
Why do 90% of girls run elf tribal?
>>94788178I had key in there originally, I'll test it a bit and see if it helps. I mostly just love the idea of making a hand out of everyone else's cards and seeing what I can cobble together from their decks. I even added extra land cards so I can play whatever lands I get.
>>94788201it's simple to play, easy to build, and elves are hot but at my LGS the 3 girls I regularly see all play Merfolk.
I might put this in BurakosSeems pretty good
>>94788159I've gotten use for him in my Muldrotha zombie tribal deck, but I will admit it felt more like incidental value rather than focused in the deck. He does good work when the field is built up and his graveyard hitting has been useful a few times and sometimes the threat alone keeps some plays in check. I've won some games just by the damage he does at the start of upkeep but that was when everyone was already down to low enough that anything would have done it. He's in the color that has the most zombies around but I don't really know if that's his best place. He feels like the kind of commander that you'll have to get a bunch of games in with him at the lead to know for sure.
>>94788229I mostly play with older cards because I don't like to spend money, especially with how much I spent from 98-2005 but sometimes I see a new card like this and all I think is "damn, that's what 2 mana gets you these days?"
>>94788242Pretty sure that one is standard legal too kek
Its pretty sweet when you get the nuts draw in a real game and blow someone out turn 3
>>94785602Forth Eorlingas makes 2/2s :)
>>94785561triomes and surveil lands are unironically stronger than duals
>>94788307LolLmao even
>>94788307surveil lands are arguably better than triomes but original duals are still better
>>94788366I don't think they'll top OG duals ever unless they make a card that's just them but better, or make a tap land that has an egregiously strong effect.
>>94785368My TQ wishlist>Biorhythm>Braids>Coalition Victory>Flash>Gifts ungiven>Panoptic mirror >Primeval titan>Sundering titan>Sway of the stars>Upheaval
Why isn't this banned?
>>94788471Because Arabian Nights is such a niche set to be playing more than couple of cards of
>>94788484It is basically an uncard.
>>94788471Because the cards you'd be hitting are too fringe"Realistically" you'd be "likely" to hit>Bazaar of Bagdhad>City of Brass > Guardian Beast (proxy and play this card its GOOD)>Oubliette>Flying men>Cuombajj Witches>Kird ApeIts a terrible piece.
>fill the deck with all draw and exile cast synergies I can find>can't play my own cards from Ian's exile poolwait, what's the main strategy here? scrap all the synergies and instead focus on cheap draw and ramp to focus on playing my opponent's spells?let my opponents play my synergies and then steal them back?
>Local timmy crybullies every counterspell below 3 mana out of my deck saying he "doesn't wanna play against wheel-counterspell" (the deck is basic izzet spellslinger with 0 wheels)>Today he rolled up with an actual wheel deck (Nekusar) that had Niv-Mizzet, Parun in it for no reason (I suspect he only put it there knowing that my spellslinger deck would struggle against it)>After he bitched to me about the card being "unfair" (I ran it in 99, without Curiosity, prior to him getting me to replace it with Niv-Mizzet, Visionary)>Keep his board clear because unsurprisingly I'm not interested in getting blown up the moment he resolves a wheel>He drops Orcish Bowmasters and I have to spend 3 preventing it from landing (aforementioned crybullying making 3 mana my best rate)>He starts smugly saying it did its job because I had to pay more mana than he did so now I can't counter his "real cards" (he passed turn)>Barely manage a win against him>"This is why I don't like this game."I'm fucking fuming at this guy. I work to accommodate this guy and he pulls this shit. Can't give a fucking inch because lord forbid being nice to other players isn't punished in Magic because they don't want you interacting with their 21 damage burn combo like it's actually a multiplayer game./blog
I love how dirt cheap this card is.
>>94788396In edh and a 3+ color deck any of the lands that come in untapped are wildly stronger than og duals despite not really being fetchable.Mana Confluence, City Of Brass stuff like that ect ect
Commander content creators are making EDH shitty
>>94788577Made for commander cards made EDH shitty, and eventually killed the format altogether.
>>94785368What are some good card draw for Markov?
>>94788577I take pride in building decks that have commanders that aren't specifically made for the format
>>94788622Play PreDH
>>94788639the fuck is that?
>>94788598What do you mean specifically?Like the commander precon decks?They first started printing those in like 2011
>>94788600He DOES make a bunch of 1/1 tokens
>>94788600Painful truths
>>94788526>getting me to replace itDon't let others decide what goes in your deck. Is this someone you play with personally at someone's house or is this guy at a local store?
>>94788526Bully him until he stops playing lol
>>94788598So are you going to explain or are you just going to keep pretending like you made an esoteric point thats just a more extreme version of something someone already stated?
>>94788669I would say everything printed after Arcane Signet they changed the design direction to hyper pushed these cards should be good in commander. And no more fun multiplayer cards like join forces etc that actually make people play together and not just autistically sit there with their print for commander value engines like it's the pro tour.
>>94789056>>94789056>>94789056bakin' & brewin' lets go
>>94788201I see them run animal tribal way more often
>>94787695Says who? Please point out where this game is non competitive
>>94787912>MAGIC IS A COMPETITION IN THE SENSE THAT ALL GAMES AREfucking dipshit doesnt realize he posted a picture that refutes him
>>94787957Please provide documentation that the people who created this format said it's "4fun" I've been playing EDH since the 00s and this was literally NEVER a view of the game people had
>>94789394then provide documentation that this happend to you in the 00sanecdotes arent documentation
>>94788519filtered
>>94785561because I only run them in 2 color deck just to trigger fags like (you)
>>94788519UB is for faggots
>>94788655EDH, but only with cards from before the first commander product.
>>94788669the first precons were fine, but they heralded the end. Once they started referencing EDH-specific mechanics in card text (the second set of precons), it all went wrong.
FUCK THIS GAY FORMATIT SHOULD'VE BEEN ANOTHER GAME ENTIRELYNOW MAGIC IS DEAD
>>94792053but anon, commander cards aren't legal in standard :^)
>>94785438I fucking love sundering titan
>>94786086> mo money fo dem progrumsI'm sure a functional reprint called Equity is coming
You're sitting down at a random table at LGS, how much anti-blue is too much in the 99 to not be full of non-bo's>>94786246>>94786229>>94786253>>94786272>>94786293?
>>94792760Running strict anti-blue is retarded. Have enough interaction to play with the table; it's going to depend on your deck how much of it you're going to have to add especially and how much you'll already have from your gameplan.
Any FF leaks yet?
