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How did we burn through an entire thread in 11 hours?
>>94789241Shit posting.
>>94789241There is a new poster in these threads as of the last month or two. He is a young left wing zoomer with a chip on his shoulder and he will rage for hours on end despite being wrong spamming refresh on his browser so he can quickly rebut anything that challenges his worldview.
I wanna add it but I hate DFCs so much.
>>94789439Why would you hate small boobs
>>94789439Flaties are the best. Play it for the discount and consider the flip as a bonus instead. A big bonus that you'd really want to have but not something you exactly hinge on.
>>94789439Idk what the fuck a DFC is but everyone replying is suggesting its to do with boobs so
>>94789527Lurk moreAlso, the opposite of your pic
>>94789056>TQGARY
>>94789448>>94789497in what slang does DFC equate to small boobs?
>>94789571Delicious flat chat holy fuck you have Google stop being such a helpless mouthbreathing fucktard
What should I be hoping to pull for EDH from drafting Innie Pussy Remastered?
>>94789701Can adult women not have small breasts...? How much anime do you watch anon
>>94789701other anons are weird for thinking about boobs when talking about mtg, but you're weird for going straight to small children
Let's say theoretically there were a STAX card like this>2 mana>your opponents can't cast spells from their handsAnd another like this>2 mana>if an opponent casts no spells during their turn, they discard their handDo you think those would be fair and fun cards to play against? Do you think if Stax was filled with blatantly powerful easy to drop cards like that that it wouldn't be a hated playstyle? If so why do you retards think combo is okay then?
>>94789730Many are? What a weird world you live in. Who is this you lmao I have no part in this further than telling you what it means Lil keyboard warrior
>>94789711Mostly just the some of the mythicsCaptivating Vampire has been $10+ for a while but it will probably drop now as it's just a rareKind of fucked up they didn't reprint any of the good lands, but some of the slow lands are still $10+
>>94789747>can't play spells from your handMeans the game is shut off >opponent casts a comboMeans you can still interact with it.The only retard here is you who had all the time in the world to craft your hypothetical so it actually plays out in your favor and you came up with this terrible post. And just to preemptively address the combofag accusations nope! I only build honest decks and have never combod off in my life
>>94789241We have a new pseud thread spamming neckbeard that obviously got banned from other forums for his aggressive, smug, and hilariously shit opinions, and now he's turning the thread into a mirror of his own shit splattered toilet by dumping his dumbass opinions in here. He'll be gone soon enough once his parents force him to go get a job or move out of their basement.
>>94789730right on the money lol >>94789411
>>94789747The first card idea is absolute dogshit. Imagine going first and dropping this on turn 1, game is just over until someone draws a channel land
>>94789784>you can still interact with combo Yeah, by counterspelling it before it hits the board. Same way you can interact with my theoretical stax cards too. Combofags are such dishonest fucks lmao
>>94789840You're forgetting that this is the format where everyone has a card not in their hand that they can cast, but yeah 2 mana for that effect is fucking insane. Even 9 mana cards don't create such a ridiculous advantage.idk where the fuck staxfag has come from but he's obsessed with testing the boundaries of what people will tolerate from stax. Probably because he's a massive insecure faggot and gets off from playing control in a card game, but gets shit for it every time he plays it
>>94789842Some combos need counters but thats not entirely true at all anon. A walking ballista heliod combo can be stopped a variety of ways without counters. Even thoracle can be stopped a variety of ways without counters. It doesn't sound like your game knowledge is all that so maybe learn a bit more before you try to make grand statements
>>94789859All the Thalias are the general limit of stax people are fine with.Hell anything that fucks with the decks that play almost zero creatures will make you look like the good guy
>>94789866a lot of combos can keep reactivating in response to your response if you don't stop them on the stack
>>94789747how about>0 mana>No one can play the game.>We all just sit here until we get bored and leave.>Last person to leave wins.NOW we're playing stax
>>94789875I haven't seen many complaints against this form of stacks in the games i played with it so far
>these instant win combos like Demonic Throacle can be stopped in a variety of ways that aren't just counterspelling but I won't mention anyGreat contribution my man you sure argue well
>>94789730someone should tell Taylor Swift she isn't real
>>94789747>/edhg/ pitched my shitpost but unironically
>>94789842combo has existed in magic since its beginnings at all levels of play. Back when it was still small and almost everyone played kitchen table combos existed and were not even rare. It's weird getting into a game where you know they exist and getting mad about it. It's as ridiculous as getting tilted that there's an upkeep step.
>>94789881Yeah, my hyperbolic stax cards are pointing out how shit such a thing would be if it existed. Stax requires multiple (relatively) high mana cards to set up to start being extremely oppressive and even then they can still be worked around with interaction and team work from the rest of the table. Combofaggotry is "oops you didn't waste your third turn holding up mana for removal I tutor this and play these two cards and unless someone counterspells it I win gg!" and then thinking you are some kind of big brain for playing a pair of low mana broken cards the brain dead designers had no idea would work together and are too cowardly to errata.
>>94789877List some combos that can do this :D
>>94789904Ancestral Recall has existed in Magic since it's beginnings. Where's all the instant 1 mana draw three with no hoops or downside cards? Where's all the Lightning Bolts?Everyone admits a lot of early Magic design was a mistake. Combo is one of them, but it requires a lot of new rulings that Maro just isn't interested in implementing and FIRE design ensures accidental 2 card >4 mana infinite combos will continue to be made.
>>94789903Mishra, Artificer Prodigy is a deck that sets up to do that.The Mishra player can still cast what he wants even through Possibility Storm
>>94789890Are you serious do i need to learn the entire game for you? Forced draw, the myriad of "can't win or lose" cards, aven interruptor, anything that shuffles their graveyard back into library, dress down/hushbringer effects both of which come with flash now, mystic reflection effects off the top of my head i bet I could find even more but this is a list of oh at least 20 cards next time respond to me you gutless faggot
>>94789947Taylor swift has fake breasts and had a very flat chest for most of her career zoomzoom
>>94789930most combos that involve you activating an ability that isn't a tap ability
>bro just build your deck to hyperfocus on stopping combos and mulligan your hand until you have all your anti-combo pieces and just have 6+ mana by turn three and horde it in anticipation of me dropping just one pair of the numerous low cost infinite combos I have filled my deck with r u stoopid or sumthin?Even a dedicated Stax deck will have trouble getting it's pieces out before combofags are dumping their shitpiles onto the table. But please continue to be a disingenuous salty combofag saying that theoretical hyper efficient specific board states that are the only way to effectively shut down combofaggotry are the default and achievable in most games before combofag faggots.
What can I do to this card to basically permanently deprive someone of their commander?Phasing out isn't leaving the battlefield, so I was thinking maybe phase this card out, but I can't really see anyway to do it.Hexproof and shroud are not good enough.
>>94790003So list one you retarded nigger and I'll show you how to stop it >>94790009Most of what I listed that you are still too afraid to respond to would slot easily into any good deck and SHOULD already be present in any good deck :)>6 manaThe average cmc of the cards i listed would be 1 or 2 mana, some of it can even be done on LANDS you fucking moron lmao
>>94789730Holy fucking newfag. That slang is probably older than you.
>>94790020
>>94790035I see, I see. Is there a more generic way to do it?
>>94790034Him not knowing the slang + him thinking t swift has large breasts confirms he's a zoomie I'm a REAL internet detective not a fraud fakester like him
>>94789890Dress down. Consign to memory/stifle are tenuous counters because they're stopping the ability. Forced draw like anon said. Cant lose the game effects followed by removal. But an ounce of prevention is always worth a pound of cure, illiterate anon.
>>94790035you would declare your targets and your opponent would simply choose to move it back to the command zone if they understand how that works.Also if they didn't know how it works most likely the rest of the table would let them walk it back because you are trying to be a turbo nigger.Just mindslaver loop people and choose to have things be exiled forever so everyone knows you are just a normal asshole
>The average cmc of the cards i listed would be 1 or 2 mana, some of it can even be done on LANDS you fucking moron lmao>Aven Interruptor 3cmc>Mystic Reflection/Hushbringer/Dress Down 2cmc>avg cmc = 2.25I don't know what common core school system you went through but 2.25 is most assuredly not 2 or 1. Please though, list more cards that people have to specifically include in their decks just to counter you. Because after all, Commander isn't a game about a social experience where people play janky cards they like with some generic additions to try and counter a couple of potential strategies over an hour, it's a hyper competitive competition where everyone needs to be building their decks with the same overpowered cards to counter other combofags while they try to combofag off by turn 3 that should only last 20 minutes at most.
>>94790065>you would declare your targets and your opponent would simply choose to move it back to the command zoneUh buddy... phase out doesn't move the card between zones. They don't get to move it anywhere.
>>94790045most of the easy ways involve etb doublers>>94790065phasing out is not a zone change
>>94790065At no point in this interaction can you choose to return your commander to the command zone. Phasing is not a zone change. WHY TYPE SO MUCH IF YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE BASIC RULES OF THE FUCKING GAME
>>94790073I do have Panharmonicon, could that slot in so I can put something else in the command zone?
>>94790045Doesn't use Oubliette but this combo is really easy since it's an A+B in the same color.
>>94790081only works if you turn oubliette into a creature, panharmonicon is specific for artifacts and creatures
>>94790066Anon i mentioned much more cards than that and yes most of them are dirt cheap, even going with 2.25 that is much less than the 6 you stated you dishonest retard lmao>counter youI don't play combo :) I'm just not a whiny faggot like you my most played deck is Varchild
>>94790073>>94790078forgot oubliette phases out and doesn't exile.Either way enjoy being killed by the table
Posting these cards for no particular reason.
>>94790065It's right there on the card my dude. When they phase they don't move anywhere. It'd be like if Hexproof and Shroud or fighting moved cards to a new zone. They're all still on the field.
>>94790009>>94790064>>94790066>>94790089Shut up you retarded faggots no one outside cEDH will play with you if you are doing orcale combos to win.Also the argument to always have play color that can stiffle and counter cards while keep mana open the entire game is retardedStop arguing about scenarios that don't exist
>>94790085Oubliette has to be a creature for any of these combos though right? Because you use a 2nd trigger or copy to target the first, and as Oubliette can only target creatures it needs to be a creature
>>94790092still wont bring his commander back
>>94790105>agrees with literally every point I made>"SHUT UP"
>>94790111That's why those combos use opalescence
>>94790105I beat thoracle so frequently people have stopped playing it. Is this another one of those scenarios where nothing anyone says will matter because you're throwing a tantrum, Mr. 140 IQ lawyer who cant use the dictionary or understand first year logic problems.
>>94790105Thats not true I don't play cedh yet i play with a guy who has a cedh talion deck with thoracle in it, they are always fun games>argument that no one madeI agree that is silly. Thankfully no one's argument even approached what you said
>>94789439Whats your issue with them? Its a pretty cool mechanic IMO
>>94790027devoted druid is an example for a really hard to interact with combo if you don't stop it before they have a way to deal with the -1/-1 counters
>>94790136Maybe, but that guy is certainly the one repeating G factor over and over again.
>>94790134Annoying to unsleeve the card. Don't like encouraging DFCs on principle, although I feel with the direction MDFC lands are taking it will get harder for me to maintain this position over time while remaining competitive (well, "competitive").
>>94790020same as any other O-Ring effect, remove it from the battlefield while its effect is on the stack
>>94790152>anyIt's very specifically worded o-ring cards where this is possible anon
>>94790148Sure thing "anon".
this has got to be the most braindead commander i ever made a deck for. just add hare apparent and you got a working deck
>>94789711Snapcaster is always nice to have, Gisela, Meathook, Cultivator, and Edgar. I feel like the jew bastards at Wizards will only put him in collector packs though
>>94789711cultivator colossus for the art alone
>>94789832Lol, no kidding
>>94790146I don't like the insane value having two different cards printed on one brings either anon but the future is more and more dual/wall of text cards. Just look at duskmourn and their stupid rooms. Maro wants to cram as much crap onto cards as possible now, probably because some research group said people feel "constrained" when they build decks in Commander.By 2030 we are going to see an MDFC card where at least one of the faces has two different spells to cast on it, effectively making it a 3 for 1 card.
>>94790146Amulet is a may, so you never need to flip it and can be the annoying vegan bringing up how you never do every time you play it.
>>94790012>she's only 17 years and 364 days oldYES OFFICER THIS MAN RIGHT HERE
>>94790187Thanks anon you caught the vibe I'm going for.(Honestly in my specific deck I probably don't want to flip it most of the time just because the front face is better)
>>94789942that's one unbalanced card, not a core game system. Again, it's weird to be so hung on hating the upkeed step because in your headcanon Maro doesn't want it
>>94789439If it helps, I tried it in Kalamax and it was pretty mediocre. Too expensive, too slow to pay you back on mana or cards, and if you're able to vomit out spells quickly enough to ignore that you'd most likely rather the amulet have been another spell.
>>94790123Yes???I'm asking if Panharmonicon can replace the the role the commanders are playing in the suggested combos
>>94790166>"A deck can have any number of" cards are stupid and are the one thing that actually goes against the "spirit of the formant"more news at 11
>>94790138Every single devoted druid combo requires 3 pieces, otherwise you're just making infinite mana for nothing. You can counter every piece of it. You can change the target of swift reconfiguration. You can kill devoted before swift lands.
>>94790262yes, but it's going to be harder to pull off since you now have to find one more card
>>94790183Rooms are balanced by being overcosted. The only one's worth playing are the ones with effects not already found on enchantments
>>94790252Who mentioned the upkeep step? lmao you're one to talk about headcanon when you're just making up parts of the debate that never even happened. You lost the plot (and debate) long ago comboboy. Move on, let's argue about some other nonsense.
>>94789747You are one thousand percent correct that if such a stax piece existed since the start of the game people would defend it. Magic players are obsessed with status quo and most have simply bought in to the current bullshit.
>>94790271That's fine. I like jank combos. Currently my wincon in one of my decks is playing Enchanted Evening to turn all permanents into Enchantments, then Paraselene to Destroy all permanents, then Dawn's Truce to make it asymmetric.I do have Personal Tutor to make Paraselene searchable but it is total jank.
>It's an episode of "/edhg/ user can't understand why wincon that requires multiple specific cards is allowed to cost less mana than a wincon that requires only one card"
>>94790170Eddie's in play boosters, fortunately. Half the point of putting in him in the set was to get more copies out there and bring his price down.
yes, a decent deck should have a way to deal with combos, as good as their color identity allow them to. most of the time tho, Jund can go fuck themselves
>>94790313I'm glad that they finally reprinted Markov. Maybe now my bitch friends will stop seething and complaining about p2w when I play my vamp deck.
>>94790329Eminence is a shit mechanic and people who play with Eminence commanders should be looked upon with disdain
we need more trips so I can start filtering some you retards
>>94790292my comparison with the upkeep is only two post above in our reply chain, but you're emotionally flustered and can't thinkanyways, they keep printing combos and they've been here since the beginning so it's obvious it's part of the game and not going anywhere. It's a weird hill to die on and you're weirdmic drop
>>94790355>you know what generals need>MORE tripfags
>>94790340Yeah I don't know what the fuck they were thinking. As if it wasn't enough to have access to 1 card at all times, what if you didn't even have to cast it? Genius.
To the guy asking about Angel tribal last thread. Don't forget this.
How do you flatten (non-foil) cards that are curled pretty bad? Wither from physical pressure or moisture I dont know. Any anon know of some special voodoo they do to get them straight again?
>>94790518>How do you flatten (non-foil) cards that are curled pretty bad?Literally just bend them back. Idk, lay them against your arm, press, rub it a little.There's a video of some guy putting them in a box with silica sachets that keep the contents at 65% humidity, and that seems to do the trick.Bending by hand is much easier though
>>94790146I try not to unsleeve them.If its a land, ill just play it in my land pile and people can deal with it.
>>94790518I just put them in a sleeve and then under some books for a few days
>>94790546>anon has 7 mana>tries to play an 8 drop>erm ya I neglected to do a game action but it still counts!Nah i would simply confiscate the card off the table until you had the mana to pay for it and you can deal with it maybe piss your pants and call the owner over who will tell you to be a grown up and flip your card
I WANT MORE GLIMMERSWHY DID THEY DESIGN A BUNCH OF FUCKING GLIMMERS AND MAKE THEM DIGITAL-ONLY? AHHHHHHHHHHH
>>94788510not replying in the dead thread but this anon is right about Guardian Beast
>>94790287Most of the rooms are bad because they cost too much. I am considering this one in my fairly optimized izzet list. Plats well with solphim and purphoros
>>94790579Im just not going to get grease on my cards is all haha, you little redditor
>>94790146Just use one of the DFC tokens WotC gives out in boosters and have the real card in a clear sleeve on the side.
Is it worth running some stax pieces in my Erinis / Street Urchin deck? I can sac them before my turn and recur them pretty easily with a Buried Ruin
>>94790646Making up your own rules because you can't handle a simple task is without a doubt one of the most "reddit" things imaginable anon
>>94790673Its not a rule lmao
We need two generals, one for commander chads, and one for the gay cedh neckbeards who consistently sit here all day shitting up the threads with their shitty opinions and severely reducing the quality of the thread. That or ID's so we can start filtering them.Anyways, my Mizzix boy got a win last night with Mindswipe countering a Colossus Hammer that was going to come in attached and kill me. Felt pretty good.
>>94790518Dessicants.
>>94790687 that's not cedh viable
>>94790687Nah, I like reading about card evaluation, it helps me improve as a magic player.
>>94790676Yes it is you're not worth talking to
>>94790687>asking for a hug box>on 4channel>whining and including some fake story to appear on topicI hate turbocasuals so much. Pic is my best deck by the way before you retards try accusing me of any high powered shenanigans
Ever like get an idea for a deck, sit down to sleeve it up and go through the collection only to feel exhausted and like it's just too much to do to make a single deck so you just put everything away again? Rinse and repeat every fucking weekend...
>>94790860Yeah, it's why people post here instead of playing games.
>>94790872And now i'm doing it, fuck. Maybe will be easier if i first make a deck online and then assemble it, might be better structured also. I wanna play Reprocess and Pitiless Carnage.
>>94790818If you refuse to ruin your cards by unsleeving them every time you play them..its a ruleOk, nigger
>Store soft bans fast mana and 1 mana tutorsIs Seething Song FAST mana? When I think of fast mana I think of something like Dark Ritual.
>>94790083This combo is the easiest since you can just keep out of time in your graveyard or fire it off indiscriminately since you know you'll play it again this time forever.
>>94790882I'm more a Plumb the Forbidden man myself. I've got it in a token-based Meren deck and should probably get one for Gisa as well.
>>94790860Constantly. Piles of idea cards stack up then I have to spend hours sorting them back into the collection.
>>94790888Im a hygienic person so touching my cards doenst ruin them you may wanna get that checked. Either way I've confiscated your cards as you don't have the mana to play them and I don't allow cheaters to get away with it!
>>94790890>ancient tomb, +1 mana every single turn>dark ritual, +2 mana one turnHow is it hard for people to distinguish these.
>>94790901Oh i must have missed this one, nice! Although i like being able to sacrifice artifacts and lands also. Hew the Entwood looks interesting also. >>94790903Mood, last time i just ended up sorting my whole collection instead took a whole day haha
>>94790948So you're saying Seething Song is fast mana?I told the store I'll take it out but if I do I'm putting Blood Moon in.What would you rather face?
I guess I don't understand why this card is so good. Yeah it draws a card, but for 6 that's not very impressive and it's on combat which is weird. It "cheats" things into play, sure, but you have to exile them. You can't really abuse it. I guess token doubling or something idk. People keep acting like this is a good card but I'm just not seeing it.
Not a big UB fan but I want to build him cause his effect seems neat
>>94790890Rituals aren't really fast mana imo. Although they do have a tendency to skew a game really fast if you have a good opener. But then again you got Channel who is like a one shot effect but also extremely broken to point of being banned everywhere. Does Exploration counts as fast mana or not? Technically you can run away with a game pretty fast with that also.
>>94790964Fast mana accelerate you the entire game at no cost and rituals are one time uses. Seething song isn't fast mana. I run blood moon in most of my red decks because I don't spend money on lands.
>>94790951Nta but imagine be trying out hew in my Calamity list when I play next week seems like a perfect card first cavalier of calamity wincons >>94790903Some of these will actually become decks, most will sit here for a while and then get moved to the top of my bookshelf AKA the inbuilt deck graveyard where they are scavenged for parts. One of the graveyard stacks had idyllic, enlightened and aetherflux lmao just sitting there! For MONTHS at least not traded in not used
>>94790968cheating things into play as artifact creature tokens absolutely has a bunch of things that can abuse the everloving fuck out of it
>>94790990Oops don't really need to include it now but it was referenced>>94790964>if I can't break store rules I'll just do this other thing to annoy all of youI think we know why someone has to play at an LGS he doesn't like lmao
>>94790968Cos reduction for artifacts is insanely easy for a couple reasons.Firstly theres just a lot of cards that reduce cost of artifacts specificallyBut secondly, because they rarely have colored pips, they can be reduced to 0
>>94790980I had him at the pre release, he did pretty decent and then i made a brawl deck with him, i liked how you have to think about how to sequence your turns with him and you have to tinker a bit with how you built the deck to play it.
>>94790980Fuck it man i have 2 LOTR decks and unironicstyle that number may grow. A ton of legendaries in the set so it's easy to have not seen one and lots of unique ones. You did happen to pick the most braindead free value one but thats cool we are all different ^.^
>>94790988Alright, cool, I figured it wouldn't be game breaking and I've played a few matches and no one has mentioned it, so I'll keep it in.>>94791001Blood Moon isn't banned. I really do want to put it in my deck but the people that dropped huge money on expensive land bases would seethe even harder.
>>94791016>unironicstyle
>>94791037Love me some genuine posting anon :)
When Flash is unbanned, are there any cards I could pair it with to abuse the other implication of its effect?Yes, obviously it's a 2 mana ETB and graveyard setup, normally.But because it's "put" not cast, are there any negative effects that can be sidestepped because it wasn't cast?
>>94791044Flash will only be unbanned if rhystic is banned, otherwise all non-blue decks will leave the format.
>>94790988Hmm that made me think...would be kinda funny to run all these effects that turn lands into some other types in jeskai. Then rely on like spells that care about land types to execute the plan. Also not a single basic land allowed. Only utility lands.
>>94791056no point running all the effects together, at that point just play land destruction
>>94790988Wrong.>Dark Ritual>Pyretic Ritual>Seething Song>Jeskai's WillThese are all fast mana and should be banned.
What commander would you recommend for Abzan "Every Soul Warden and Ajani's Pridemate" deck?
>>94791050Flash is legal in vintage. It's only banned in Commander cos the RC are pussies
>>94791073Cope
I finally got to finish off a table with a shitload of bunnies last night. >>94790166And I didn't even use Hare Apparent.
>>94791076It sounds like you just want to seethe about blue instead of being realistic about how the format is handled
>>94791071Bilbo so you can run them all
>>94790990Oh sounds neat! Hope it goes well!
>>94791073Commander isn't supposed to be Vintage 2
>>94791066No you see i wanna turn on domain effects and run land strategy without green.
>>94790992What abuse can be done with this card? Really strong things. Gimme some.>>94791007Total non-sequitur. Not trying to be a dick, I just don't see how playing this thing on turn 4 makes it that much stronger than 6.
>>94791077god I need to get that thing pregnant
>>94791112It's just a free draw and permanent every turn it's very clearly strong what part are we missing?
>>94791137I'd rather have a sneak attack
>>94791099Their lists are extremely similarThe difference is this is fucking commander and you have a commander.
>>94791112>I just don't see how playing this thing on turn 4 makes it that much stronger than 6.You can play it earlier than turn 4And plenty of artifacts cost 9-12 mana. It is a massive fucking advantage for artifact decks
>>94791112You can use it with Brudiclad to turn every token on the board into a copy of whatever you cheated out, they even have haste and they all benefit from the various artifact creature synergies you included
>>94791131>all set to chide you with "silly anon, boys can't get pregnant">double check, just to be sureWell, I guess you have a 50% shot. Go crazy.
>>94791147So should we unban Flash in Legacy too? After all, its list is extremely similar to Vintage's already.
>>94791169I also checked before shitposting, I want to be lore accurate
>>94791144Talk about non sequiturs lmao
>>94791169>>94791131Bunnies are breedable either way.
>>94790968>Why is this card that gives me draw and let's me play big etb creatures and expensive win more artifacts for free every turn considered good.Good grief.
>>94791160Ok that's pretty good>>94791180Master Transmuter is almost 20 years old. It's not that impressive anymore.
>>94791177>durrrr if I compare the Wizards official eternal format to the specifically de-powered Wizards official eternal format i can make a retarded point!
>>94791213But that was your justification for turning Commander into Vintage 2. Similar banlists.
>>94791147Entirely different formats desu because it's 1vs1, initiative is for example one of the better decks. And they play pic related.
I really love this card, i make too many gruul decks because i enjoy the gameplay of creature combat.
>>94791240>And they play pic related.
>>94791011I'm gonna build around flash spells with him to try and get the effect to go off as much as possible. Probably boring and overdone but I agree with you about the sequencing and I think that alone makes him really interesting to play
>>94791234>But that was your justification for turning Commander into Vintage 2.It can't be "Vintage 2" when it is a mechanically different fucking format, you shitstick.
>>94791274your justification for unbanning it in Commander was that it is legal in Vintage, a completely different format. Do your posts just evaporate from your brain as soon as you hit submit?
>>94791286>your justification for unbanning it in Commander was that it is legal in VintageNo, it's not a justification, it's a comparison.Point being, Wizards don't give a shit about Flash being banned in an eternal format. YOU raised Legacy as a counterpoint, when Legacy is a specifically de-powered alternative to Vintage.Now all you can do is cry "Vintage 2!!!!" like a slack-jawed tard, even though Commander can never be Vintage 2 because vintage isn't a fucking 100 card singleton format with a command zone
>>94791303And Commander is also a specifically de-powered format spinning out of Legacy? What's your point?
>>94791269Idk flash is fun to play desu. Ikoria has some cool flash cards. Like Slitherwisp is pretty fun and from Theros you got Ashiok's erasure which is pretty funny against people if you exile a staple like Smothering tithe it would lock others out form playing it also.
>>94791240I think that's like saying shops played Slash panther. Frog, lurrus, and bowman are all fucking stupid and that's a nice little brick wall against them that dodges damn near every piece of removal played in the format.
>>94791313No its not?
>>94791340>cunny nightbonderuohhhh
>>94791354He's just trolling. There's some real sad-sacks on this thread who have nothing better to do with their lives and say deliberately false things, they think it's the height of comedy
>>94791354retard
>>94791352I mean exactly it has it's utility due to a certain meta. Which i find it's kinda cool even though initiative is a stupid mechanic in 1vs1 which should have never been allowed outside of commander. Problem that was with flash is games turned into who could manage to resolve flash + protean hulk first and that wasn't particularly fun gameplay according to the cedh crowd which is why it was the first ban they ever made because of cedh players complaining.
>>94791368for the last time, the bonders don't need to try and fuck underage girls because they're too busy fucking their pokemon to bother
>>94791368lmao
>>94791377Anon if you believe the official history of EDH it existed BEFORE legacy was a format you stupid fucking faggot can't even do the least amount of research to at least pretend you know what you're talking about
Is canadian highlander fun?
>>94791426whatever you say
>>94789729It was a joke. Clearly this is not a general where jokes can be made. People are too autistic.
>>94791460It was most certainly not a joke as they repeated it multiple times in the course of the argument
>>94791486No. I meant this.>>94789448
>>94791505My mistake I am autistic.
>>94791460>>94791486>tee hee hee "flat chests"! ;)>you people are pedophiles>why do you immediately assume we're talking about children anon? ;)>>94791368
>>94791517Why are you tagging a post that is replying to a very clearly grown woman and calling it pedophilia anon?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94791378I would say protean hulk might as well have been banned too but green has so many ways to dump your entire hand, graveyard, and deck for free now it wouldn't make a big difference
>>94791542Die in a fire aggrotard
>>94791542hard agree40 makes a lot of cards somewhat broken>>94791546>Die in a fire aggrotardyou just want to keep playing your City of Brass without repercussions, your time is over
>>94791546I wonder what's the fast way to actually kill a table with pure combat damage. Turn 4?
>>94791600Fastest my deck has done it was turn 4, but it requires the the perfect starting hand and no interaction being played on me.
>>94791609And all players? How did you do it?
>>94791615Tricks and myriad are underrated.
>>94791685Sacing scamp isn't "combat damage"
>>94791706True. Then I got nothing.
I haven't played in a few years. I just came back and opened up my favorite deck in MTGO and found these bans...>Dockside Extortionist>Mana Crypt>Jeweled LotusI don't even want to check out prices and see how much money I've lost on my paper copies.Are there any standard recommended go-tos to replace these in a deck?
>>94791725There really isn't an option for fast mana that fits their slots. That's why their prices were so high to begin with.
>>94791725mind goblin
>>94791741>>94791738Don't reply to obvious bait please
>>94791600Do you consider using aggravated assault infinitely as "combat damage?"
>>94791609is that with infect?
>>94791600Kaalia could probably do it turn 5 or 6 with a perfect opening hand and draws (and the requisite magical fairy land zero interaction)
>>94791600NehebAncient tomb Simean Spirit Guide Jeska's Will Neheb Bolt Wave Aggrevated Assault
>>94791600I've combo'd into infinite 1/1s a few times with Hapatra Vizier of Poisons by turn 3, turn 4 win.
im a bratty twink bottom. pitch me a commander
>guy across from me asks me if he can use my whiteboard tokens>i say yeah and give him the dry erase marker too>he keeps the dry erase marker in his hand and starts using it to point to people's cards with the cap off inches away from the sleevesso many dumbfucks play this game i swear
>>94792026Those tokens are gay reddit btw
Gnome?
>>94792045>gay redditDouble negatives cancel out anon.
>>94791974
>>94791725Nope. But the strongest decks dont really need them in the first place because they're 4+ colours.
>>94791725Actually tens of millions were lost. There is a class action coming together, see if you can get in on it.
>>94792099>There is a class action coming togetherGood luck with that, if real. Retards of the world.
>>94792103It's not real, so I guess you're the retard.
So i'm new to magic and I'm running into an issue with my group. Our games last forever, and we're constantly exhausted for mana and interaction, resigned to smacking each other with 2/2 creatures. We're all using precons or upgraded precons. I don't think it's just because the decks suck. I think it's more to do with the fact that there's a bucket of crabs mentality. Any time someone pops down an artifact or an enchantment it gets instantly destroyed. We're all spinning our wheels and can't get off any interesting plays because everyone is so scared of each other. How do we fix this?
>>94792151More card draw.
>>94792151>Any time someone pops down an artifact or an enchantment it gets instantly destroyedi'd love to have that problem. i'm the one who has to do most of the threat removal in my pod
>>94792151>Any time someone pops down an artifact or an enchantment it gets instantly destroyed.Better threat assessment? Not every artifact or enchant needs to be kill on site just by the virtue is an artifact or enchantment?
>>94792151The issue is most likely that none of you are playing with a game plan, you're just playing the cards in your hand and making choices turn by turn. That's what causes decks to sputter out most often for new players. It's just a pile of cards they like.
>>94792183Precons come with game plan and a wincon in mind. You clearly lost the plot while upgrading them
Why is this considered "one of, if not the best red artifact in the format?"
>>94792151Just slot in a fucking 8 mana win con and a way to tutor it or draw so much you find it.
What are some interesting things I can do with this card? Is there a way to make it go infinite?
>>94792225By who lol? It's a neat combat trick i guess but it's mostly good in 1vs1 and barely sees play anywhere anymore either.
>>94792151Dont run removal?Run redRun more efficient wincons
>got this in my recommended>the key to a more consistent deck is just make 1/5 of your card count removal so your plan can't be interfered withLmao how are Magic youtubers so retarded. The key to consistency is literally just draw and no hand limit.
https://moxfield.com/decks/xlyZuTDv7UuMfJbr3Ecrmwr8/h8/apprec8I've been wanting to build monoblue for a while and finally threw this together, it feels pretty janky but i'll playtest it on monday and see how it goes
>>94792294Could have been a cEDH? Cause they are typically all in on specific combo wins. A lot of factors contribute to consistency. I only run 4 counterspells in my most consistent deck. What they said is way too many except for maybe crazy combo cEDH
>>94792294>wasting cards on shit other people can removeI just run protection spells, let the youtube watchers deal with it.
>>94792339>>94792344https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AHLX8Hh4yM
>>94792225>worse leyline axe
>>94792239Mystic sanctuary newbie
>>94792239Wait until Panharmonicon is unbanned?
>>94789056>TQ: my commander, obviously
>>94792359He right doe run more removal
>>94792368it's cheaper than leyline axe to equip tho
>>94792405It won't make your deck more consistent. And 20 pieces is insane.
>>94792411Most equip decks have outlets to equip shit for free. Multiple in fact.
>>94792359I don't like edh channels like this telling me how to build decks like they cracked some magical code to make a good mtg deck. I run as much removal as i assume i would need to win the game, simple as.
>>94791073Flash is the only card that is banned because of cedh
>>94790860I build too many decks,for storage ave trouble breaking up a deck once built.But the if I don't sort new cards fast enough I get stressed at having to update so many decks.
>>94791974You can be really smug about gaining a lot of life and creating big tokens and be put in your place by a Chad gruul player with commander damage.
>>94792504Seles the color for swords and fog
>>94792519A true bratty twink bottom doesn't take interaction because he wants to lose.
>Run Trouble in pairs>They just don't do its triggers so I can't draw.
>>94792504Selesnya is the antithesis of bratty, you only posted it because its the gay pair
>>94792554A true bratty twink would run blue and always keep up 2 blue mana for the bluff. And when you finally call on his bluff he will be all flustered and embarrassed about it.
>>94792572congrats on playing one of the best stax pieces in the game at that point
>>94792572One of the players at my LGS had that one 4cmc artifact that gives on your upkeep each opponent the choice to make a treasure token and you'd get a treasure for each opponent who did, but he realized pretty soon that the card did jack shit, nobody made any treasures and the card did nothing the whole time it was on board. Apparently it's relatively expensive card for something that does nothing.
>>94791974alela, obviously>>94792504If you get "put in your place" you were never a brat to begin with
>>94792591Boros is the true gay pairSissylesnya is the girl (male) pair
What ways are there to empty your entire deck in mono blue? Just this and Leveler?
>>94792640
>>94789747>Your opponentsThis is the worst part. Any nigger who needs his stax pieces to be asymmetrical is shit at the game and probably a tranny.
>>94792643painters servant grindstone
>>94789747If combo was as strong as you think it is then nobody would play stax
>>94791685>make token copies>triggers the copied creature's ETB 3 times>triggers every other permanent's ETB 3 times>twice because you have an ETB doublertoken copies in general are completely degenerate, if myriad just applied combat/direct damage to all opponents it would still be good without doing 6 times more than that
>>94792674>Any nigger who needs his stax pieces to be asymmetrical is shit at the game and probably a tranny.Naw, I just want my opponents to suffer more than me while I make out with my girlfriend from across the table. I play stax to make OTHERS suffer, why would I play symmetrical pieces unless absolutely necessary? Goofy ass.
>play pic related>izzet storm spellslinger fag instantly says "I scoop, I don't wanna play against that."how do you respond without seeming mad?
>>94792704Of all the things that don't happen, this doesn't happen the most.
>>94792708"fair enough, next game"
>>94792708Just call him a coward and play on.
>>94792704wow the designer of war of the spark planeswalkers is itt
>>94792708>Izzit player let it hit the boardThey were a shit player to begin with.
>>94792391???? It's not banned in any format
>>94792748Meant Panoptic Mirror, sorry I'm a bit tarded (but it only happened the once, so not re-tarded)
>>94792788>(but it only happened the once, so not re-tarded)Fuck you you bastard. Got me to chuckle.
How am I meant to play and not be jerking off at the table
>>94792848Based and goonerpilled.
>>94789056>TQLittle piiiiig, little PIG!
>>94792848how I feel putting pic related into my Halvar deck. I love Kor women.
>>94792948Banned!
>>94789056>TQI am a simple retard who is easily amused.
>>94792954When are Kor women going to be made black
Threw together a preliminary list for Varina. Ended up at about 170 cards and just need to chop this down.https://archidekt.com/decks/10851369/rise_of_the_lich_queen
>>94793014>when the local special ed drop out is making 2000 dollar deckskeklol even
>>94793048obsessed
>>94793043I own many an expensive card, and if I'm trimming them out of one deck, why not put them into another?
I am remaking my Burakos list on Moxfield now that Ive had some time with the deck.What are the best clerics to run in Orzhov?I addedGiver of RunesGrand AbolisherTymnaI have Mother of runes and Elas Il-Kor in nthe deck currently but havent added them back in on the new moxfield list yetIm trying to play for token synergy but Im also having good success with combat in the deck and want to lean into that
>>94792965Every piece of good design space that is consigned to rot in Alchemy is another grudge in my book against WotC.
>>94793176How would you change him to be in paper?
>>94793181Whenever you (or any player) searches their library
>>94793189God. I'd run him over Bernard until the end of time.
>>94793181Whenever (literally anything that exists in paper rules that wouldn't be too inconsequential to trigger). I despise "whenever you cast your second spell each turn" gimmicks like Firja, this is one of the few commanders whose art is perfect but are just so unplayable shit I've never been able to get it to work, but I'd take that trigger req for Vexyr in a heartbeat if it made him paper playable.
>>94791077what did you use instead?
>>94793295>just so unplayable shit I've never been able to get it to workGet fucking good lmaoFirja is one of the best budget commanders. Literally just fill your deck with cantrips, self-mill, and run Reanimate, Victimize and Animate Dead
>>94793421Yeah that's great and all, it'd be worth doing if she cost 1WBB. Practically ever deck I make and play is reanimation in one way or another so my friends have learned the hard way to pack graveyard removal. Playing a bad and slow reanimation commander doesn't cut it with my group.
>>94793295i wanted to build her for some time now, but i just pulled picrel and wondered if i should go for him and embrace full villainydid some drafting with some friends at release, and i managed to cast him and rain down the beats in one match, felt very good
The greatest ASMR I the history of mankind is the groan of agony the blue players makes when you drop a T2 grand abolisher.
>>94793444>wah wah i'm so shit at the game i need low mana crutch commandersGrow the fuck up man. >doesn't cut it with my group.You're not that guy, and you're pod isn't that good.
>>94793474t2 abolisher is worthless if you aren't winning that turn. what really makes them kill themselves is t2 stony silence.
>>94793500Abolisher coming out after t2 has a 100% chance to be countered.
has anyone here played hanna self mill? i think there's fun to be had with mantle of the ancients
>>94793421No, zada is a budget commander. If it was 3 mana it'd be playable.
>>94793474at least one of them will have removal for it
>>94793474Is that the best you can do? I have a specific answer to everything you could be doing, and the only way to win is to play like me. T2 grand abolisher might honestly help me.
Hey guys I checked the Vintage banlist and noticed players are allowed to play 1 copy of Black Lotus, and it's not destroying the meta there. We should unban Black Lotus in Commander.
>>94793524Paying 3 to return 1 thing to hand is complete fucking garbage, man.She doesn't even have a place in the 99 let alone as commander.You could just play Emry and actually have self-mill on a stick, and cast from grave instead of paying 3 to put in hand so you can cast from there.
>>94792708Funny thing is izzet storm not built like shit plays through this fairly well compared to most colors. They should have an abundance of instant speed draw, letting them play 4 spells per "turn" to dig for an out.
>>94793578Imagine seething so hard about Flash being unbanned that you will vague post about it hours after losing an argument.
>>94793578Nah. It's a price thing and a power level thing. As soon as the mox and lotus become legal decks go from 3-10k to 50k, and that's just too much. Vintage is a fun format none the less, but power is a prerequisite.
>>94793597He's just crying about an argument he had earlier in the thread >>94791286>>94791303
>>94793585>Paying 3 to return 1 thing to hand is complete fucking garbage, man.what if that one thing takes everything else you milled out of the graveyard and attaches it to your commander?
>tweak deck>it's score drops by 1 point on commandersaltWWWHHHHAT THE FUUUCKKKKK
>>94793597so what just proxy it lmao
>>94793608>I want to play Flash Hulk
>>94793652If somehow no-one's told you this before: Take all deck-rating websites with an entire goddamn mountain of salt. Same with land caluclation tools. Any tool really.
>>94793664Want has nothing to do with it, Flash will be unbanned. You can cry if you want to but tears don't change reality
>>94793014Lots of cool discard synergies, good work swordbroflash will not be unbanned and what retard told you guys that it would be?
>>94793627>Play against a mill fag>Have this>See mill fag is tapped>Play this, swing with commander for 87 double strike trampleOne day it will happen... one way.
>>94793673We've come full circle and now boomers and zoomers think technology is magic. It's why so many people wildly overestimate the capabilities of AI and essentially think it's sentient even though it's just a search engine crossed with predictive text.When a tool exists to rate decks, people just assume it must magically be able to comprehend your strategy and how likely you are to succeed, perhaps by running 1000 simulations- as opposed to what it actually does which is rate cards be assigned values such as price and popularity.
>>94792673>favorite guild is Boros>muscle girl fetishit checks out
>>94793754>When a tool exists to rate decks, people just assume it must magically be able to comprehend your strategy and how likely you are to succeedSomeone made a 100 card deck of nothing but a 1000 dollar card with one here like 8 threads ago.0 lands. Just that 1000 4cmc black djinn.10+ power.Those sites are a joke.
>>94792673>Izzet>Only watch single boy girl scenesFail.
been away from the general for a bit. any good jokes or OC i missed in the last few months?
>>94793809
Wont let me reply to you more than once
>>94793849qrd? les quick than this
>>94793854Game is turning into cardboard funkopops
>>94793847Never get tired of this.
>>94793856Funkopop is based
>>94793875said no one ever
Just why
>>94793912The left hates beauty and white people are beautiful
>>94793912What's even wrong with it?
>>94793902I actually love collecting things from series I like. No idea why others don't.
>>94793960Oh, so your meme autism.
>>94793958there's a difference between collecting things from a series you like and collecting horrible little figurines with some bits from a series you like stuck onif someone stuck eyes and pointy ears on a plastic spoon and put it in a package labeled Star Trek, people like you would slurp it up
>>94793967Not really. Not every character and franchise in the world has oodles of merch in existence. You're just on a Gen Z bandwagon and unable to think for yourself. You are not immune to propaganda.
>>94793912>A black man who is a mad, insane idiotIts a black man being shown in a negative light isn't it? Isn't that the opposite of what SJW warriors want?
>>94793960>pointless bitchingForget I asked
>>94793972He's probably autistic, so yes he is. Personally, I'll wear an Akira shirt and a binding of isaac pin, but I'd rather play a magic-themed deck. Now if they make something mechanically interesting and from a property I like, I'd think about it. But I love fallout and hated the treatment. Lotr and 40k irks me less for some reason, by and large. Probably do to the power level and mechanics.
>Friend plays a planeswalker unprotected.>Is shocked when its killed or constantly pinged to keep it useless.Why are people like this?
>>94793967>talking shit about Mr. Spork
>>94790340Kind of suprised they never tryed out Derevi's ability on other cards. Was My first commander fresh outta the box and my friends hated it. I can only imagine the BS I could do with it now with 10+ years of experience
>>94794092because it's fucking ass, commander tax exists for a reason. they also did make commander ninjutsu which was also shit
>>94793984Hmm, good point
>>94794049>some one plays stax piece (everything costs 1 mana more)>absolute seething ensues>10 minutes of random mumbling and complaining, card flipping and shuffling, avaiable mana counting>they take time to mourn all their game actions they couldnt take instead of just passing the turn doing just one or two thingspeople are just stupid and fail to realize how much they actually hurt themselves, and are even more oblivious to the fact that they fucking love being like that
>>94793295Firja is my wife. I keep tinkering with her deck
any FF leaks yet ?
>>94794303No. WotC signed a deal with the devil making a FF set because SqEnix is anal about how their characters are portrayed.
>>94790853Last thread made me realize the people who bemoan optimization and better deck building in this format are the same kind of people who would bitch if you turned items and the shitty stages off in smash and then turn and around and go "well it's a PARTY game" when you ask them why.
>>94794118they'll cry all night, but they won't add more removal to their decks
D60 here, what commander is for me?
>>94793295I like this commander a lot. It's one of the few Orzhov commanders that encourages you to play something that isn't aristocrats and can be built with a ton of bulk cards. I figured out you can use her with battles to get two cast triggers off one card since you cast the battle, then flip can cast the second half. Or just use the front for a second spell and set up an easy pop on the battle for later if you need another spell.
Worthwhile stax card, or just not worth the effort?
>>94794303>>94794312I really hope Cecil is good and not draft chaff. I will build him regardless
>>94794566he will be a dark knight that costs black mana that does damage to you when he attacks, and you can pay white mana to flip him to his paladin side which will have ward and maybe give your other creatures ward
>>94794563It's a weaker smokestack you can't control. Just run smokestack.
>>94794627People sac stuff during *your* upkeep though. Which, under certain niche conditions might be better to leave opponents completely wiped out.However, under most circumstance, you are correct.
>>94794312squeenix sold their souls to nissin to fund ffxv, no? if D&D is anything to go by, hand drawn alt arts are big, and there are already official metal gear style cards, some amano or nomura cards would be a big step up from no-names and korean artists other "anime" style cards have had
>>94794650If it didn't also go after hands I'd say go for it. Attacking a whole other zone of cards makes me think it's just going to take too long to start killing what you need it to on the board. The sheer volume of tokens in the game today also really hurts cards like these.
>>94794303I just want you guys to prepare yourselves for this inevitability. Wuk Lamat will be a commander, and we ALL know why
why does this stupid bad card cost $10i hate tribal timmy fags
PICK ONE:>spend $100 on a new deck>spend $100 on a new card
>sandbag reins of power>winIt's just that fucking easy.
>>94794694>ree tribal timmy fags!>wants a faggy tribal timmy card
>>94794697$100 on a new card. I have enough decks.
>>94794694Because its each upkeep, not your upkeep.I thought the same thing when I saw this.Anything that gets value on other people's turns for free is powerful.
>>94794704yes i hate myself
>>94794697Deck budget builds are fun I'd just trade the card for credit to buy chaff
>>94794687i should make a deck designed to consistently end wuk's turn every time it starts
>>94794697100 on a single. Rather have a blinged out deck than many shitty poorfag ones.
>>94794697neither. i'm not buying any mtg products anymore
>>94794697I am not able to make a 100 dollar deck that will be good. So I'll just buy a busted bling card.
>>94794610A part of me hopes he'd be like that Dissidia counterpart. If only because it would be funny having to flip him multiple times for his effects.
>>94794725here's that attention you wanted bro
>>94794746keep your (You)s, you whiny bitch
>>94794763You clearly want them my guy and your post is whiny his is simply accurate
>>94794725>neither. i'm not buying any mtg products anymore
>Mox opal his nearly doubled in price thanks to the bans in NovFuck fast mana trash cedh turbo faggots. I just want it because its a cool artifact not because I'm a piece of trash.
>npcs getting this assblasted over someone choosing to proxylol
>>94794800Ya? Why is it also cool artifact anon lmao probably because its free mana fucking nigger>ermmmm my reasons are actually super cool and reasonable everyone else is a fag though!
>>94794802because it had nothing to do with the question being asked. also>posting in the third person about yourselfyou're a cringe faggot
>>94794800Cedh had nothing to do with it. Modern did. It's obviously broken in modern, should have got one at $60.
>>94793912Cool a Scary Movie cross-over? Looks like the dudeweedlmao dude from those movies
>>94794800>expecting a reserve list card to ever go down in price>especially one that gives manalmao
>>94794802>i refuse to spend money on this game that i love so much i will keep playing it regardlessyour fedora is too tight my dude. you have no conviction, you are just poor and want to act superior for being poor>inb4 lol i actually make 6 figures lol lol lol u mad lol lol
>>94794843Mox Opal is not on the reserve list.
>>94794843Big think, is that what you wanted to say?
>>94794850>>94794853well i'll be damned
>>94794861No worries. Lots of "mox" arent rl, but the best ones are so iconic I can understand the mistake.
>>94794800Be ready to snag one up when they reprint it in the wacky races set anon. I'm sure they will reprint it this year.
Ngl whatever floats your boat but playing super smash bros without random items and stuff is just weird imo. It's like taking Mario Kart seriously as a racing game.
>>94794861speaking of RL cards, why is rhystic study so hated but this card isn't?
>>94794885Because study isn't on the reserve and doesn't and doesn't cost nearly as much?
>>94794885it is hated, but you never see it, and in circles where it is played, ppl will also be running strip mines, wastelands and ghost quarters
>>94794882Always try your best at whatever you do. Everything should be taken seriously, regardless of what you enjoy. "Casual" edh is smash without the items on; a group of people changing the rules to justify their play experience.
>>94794885Because the odds of running into it at an lgs is so astronomically slim its not worth getting riled up about it.If you run into it though, no one is going to argue its not bullshit.
>>94794909>inb4 some autist starts arguing about the pedantics of this analogy
>>94794885Because most of the people who complain about study are bad at magic. This isnt really a surprise to anyone.
>>94794921can confirm, i've probably played less than 30 games of magic in my life and i start a lot of arguments here about how it should be banned. I've never even played in a game with rhystic study
>>94794885You see Study far more than Tabernacle. You'd probably hear people flip their shit if someone played it in a casual game though because those types of effects on lands are a lot harder to kill. You'll see Beast Within, Chaos Warp, and Wild Magic Surge. Maybe a Decimate from an unaltered precon.
>>94794909But why? It's a card game i'm just trying to relax and have fun. There's enough serious shit to deal with in daily life.
>>94794885It's too rare to warrant a ban. The price barrier is real and it isn't the type of card people who use proxies ever bother with. If it was a 10 dollar reprinted land people had to play against it on the regular this card would be the top requested ban if it wasn't already gone. Any creature deck just gets raped by it if they don't take it out.
>>94790020run it in King of the Oathbreakers, discard it somehow(easy in B/W) then use Abuelo's Awakening to bring it back on to the table as a spirit. That way the only way to remove it is mass permanent removal, and you can then target it with your own spells to force it to phase out. Meaning you'd need multiple mass enchantment removal in a single turn.
>>94794928At least you're honest about it. The inherent power level of the person discussing it is usually obvious to everyone else. I dont mind some random card getting banned for butthurt reasons, like Zur's Weirding or Sadistic Sacrament, but when it's something I use and the reasoning isnt great I'm always rustled. At the reasoning not the statement to be clear.
>>94794942Because it's a game. You have fun by playing it, and if you need to "relax" more than playing a game with your friends, you should evaluate your priorities.
>>94794942Why not? What's the point of investing in a hobby if you don't want to improve even at a slow pace? If I didn't enjoy deck building, the process of playing a card game and improving at my abilities in the process of the win I would probably find something else to do with my friends and a new hobby
>>94794882This is what godlessness brings us to. A race to the bottom, no pride in ones abilities and infact the exact opposite pride in not growing at all
>>94793956Nta, but it looks weird. Like they traced over a photo of an existing person.
>>94794610the dark knight side will be pay 2 life for +1/+1 until EoT. Paladin side will have a pariah esque effect with keyword text _cover_
>>94795027holy cringe
why doesn't dragon shield simply print packs of 110 so i have some for my tokens or sideboard too
>>94795121Dragon shields suck anyway
>>94795123Compared to what?
>>94795123you sure about that boss?
>>94795130Katanas
>>94795136>peels after 1 shuffle
>>94795101i like that it sounds based, but leave it to wotc they probably wont even make him a flip card to begin with desu
>>94795027some shit ain't so important that you have to be good at it, some shit is for fun
>>94795305That's quitter talk. Anything worth doing is worth doing well
>>94795305These are excuses you've made up for your inadequacy because any mentally stable person finds enjoyment in improving. There's really no winning this argument for you you either concede or continue being a worm of a human being. All my hobbies i do for fun, and if still improve at that mostly because it's genuinely hard to NOT improve unless you are intentionally trying to stagnate
>>94795333it's painful watching you be an armchair psychologist but the really gross part is how self-assured you are
>>94795027>Muh Godcringe af
>>94795123They're usually fine. But damn it do they curl on the bottom corners a lot. It's annoying. Everywhere else on the sleeve is usually fine but that happens for some of their printings. On a larger note though, I'm kind of surprised they took over as the one card sleeve maker. It's like every shop I go to only carries Dragon Shield. I thought there used to be other options years a go. Did something happen?
>>94795351They began having weird production issues last year for some reason
>>94795365So it's not just me then? It's gotten to the point where I look for older sleeve printings for their sleeves whenever I'm looking for new sleeves.
>>94795376I had heard it was an issue for some of their sleeves last year. I think prof mentions it in one of his recent sleeve review videos. I always just use katanas so I am not super familiar with everything. Just that I you aren't the first one I've heard talk about it.I prefer Katanas because they shuffle like butter. Dragonshields shuffle like top loaders.
>>94795395So even that guy mentioned the issue. If not for them being everywhere I would think Dragon Shield would really have to do something about that issue. Well hell I've been hoping to find new sleeves after all the weird issues I've been having with Dragon Shield lately and if Katana work better then I'll go with those. Do they pack in a few extra sleeves like Dragon Shield do or are they an exact one hundred?
will people be mad at me if i play this card
>>94795468Yes because resolving it is more of a hassle than shuffling up for a new game.
>>94795438>Do they pack in a few extra sleeves like Dragon Shield do or are they an exact one hundred?I think exacto. Maybe 101. They also have less space at the top of the sleeve, if that matters.
>>94795338Feel free to offer up reasonable opposition to anything I said anon :) nervously laughing about how silly it all is is not as convincing as you think
>>94795338>>94795540An addendum: besides assuming he is mentally unstable there's literally no "armchair psychology" present in the post.
>>94795468Only if you don’t resolve this first
getting really tired of that one guy who keeps erupting with rage every time someone in this thread suggests that they play this game for fun and not competition. Imagine if this happened in real life. You're playing a game of basketball at the rec with your friends and then some loser starts heckling you for not trying hard enough
>>94795523A bit disappointing since there's usually a use for an extra sleeve or two, but if they don't mess up as often as modern Dragon Shield then it's worth it.
Is he worth it? I'd love to be able to wheel myself but I don't know if giving everyone else a fresh hand too is going to get me killed or what.
>>94795620I personally really like him in stuff like Nekusar or with other draw punish, but overall it comes down to how useful you view wheeling yourself weighed against wheeling your opponents. Discard payoffs also work out really nice, of course.
>new card for my boy>it's alchemy shitt-thanks wotc
>>94795594The only katanas I have had issues with are white ones. I have had multiple packs of white katanas that didn't properly fit inner sleeves. Avoid white.
>>94795620I'm generally more positive on wheels than I probably should be but I don't think Dragon Mage specifically is worth it unless you really need as many wheels as possible, or you already have a way to cheat it out.7 CMC is a lot for something that doesn't do anything the turn it comes down without further investment.
>>94795660My deck is purpose-built to hit 7 mana asap so he's actually in my sweet spot.It's not really that I need a ton of wheels, but in the mid and late game I tend to find myself wishing I had more cards in hand. My draw engines are pretty slow, usually only getting me a card when I cast a creature, but I have cards like Hugs and Case of the Locked Hothouse that let me play multiple lands, mostly for their other effects, but it would still be nice to have lands to play with them.Being a 5/5 synergizes with some other stuff in my deck (where ancients tread, monstrous vortex) so he's not a slouch even just as a creature to beat people to death with.
>>94794566*monkeys paw closes*he will be good but they will make him black
>>94795713>>94794566i meant black as in african nigger, if that wasnt clear
>>94795713That's not a monkey paw for me.
what were they thinking when they printed this broken card
are people sleeping on this? i just saw it in a decklist this seems broken in token decks
I just want wood-brown sleeves for my gruul deck.Dragon shield never has them in stock.Katanas don't have them, period.
>>94795851>they dont have the ugliest sleeves in their stock anymoreGood. Buy green or red like a normal person.>>94795825No you fucking retard it just sucks to have to leave open 3 mana AND a token for a limited counter. This card is probably a 3/10 at most.
>>94795943>Buy green or red like a normal person.But my deck is mostly green and I already have a green-sleeved deck.>then use redBut it's not very red.
>>94795943>He's tapping out on his turn>he doesn't play draw go decks exclusivelyNGMI
>>94795760What would a mana type/color look like if it had no basic lands to produce it? Something like, you play a basic color and then have to spend mana or meet conditions to play cards that generate the new mana type.For instance, a card that requires three white mana to play and taps for exactly one purple mana, which is the only way to play purple cards.
In games that go on long enough, I genuinely find myself running out of basics to fetch with land ramp. I've got about 4 dual lands that I could cut for basics, either because they suck or because they're somewhat expensive.That would put me at about 30 basics, in a two-colour deck. That's fine, right?
>>94794697>spend $200 on upgrades for a deck>can't fit them all in
>combustible gearhulk a guy at 18 health because I need cards>opponent takes 24 damage and diesShould have just let me draw, bro.
>>947961083 Eldrazi or something?
>>94796112Apex devastator and two seven-drops.
>>94796077You didn't figure out that shit before purchasing?
Why was this mechanic considered such a mistake
>>94795825Sokay, definitely a removal magnet
>>94796274Players thought it was actually useful when it wasn't. Hence the confusion.
>>94796274It's wordy, ruins several keywords such as trample (and the later-added deathtouch), and isn't intuitive at all. Very similar to Regenerate in how it's so useable if you understand it but fucking unbearable if you don't.
totem armortribalterese nielsenseb mckinnoninvoke prejudice
>>94793912pictured: the invention of peanut butter
>>94796623Oh hey, actually funny racism for once.
>>94796642not even racism, it's just a funny joke
>>94796712You think peanut allergies are a joke? This nigga killed BILLIONS
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ALLOWED TO PUT TREASURES ON THE BOTTOM WITH THIS?
>>94795121probably just me being peabrain, but why sleeve your tokens in the precise same sleeve as your actual deck? I would just accidentally mix it in each time.I prefer using a similar colour for them, for instance dark green for the main deck and light green for the tokens.
>>94796776it doesn't specify card, just permanent. you can do it with clues, creature tokens, and even land tokens.
>>94796776Makes the card playable? I might use this.
>>94796776>>94796817Tokens only exist on the battlefield, once they love zones they disappear, but they do touch those zones for the purpose of effects that trigger when a card is sent to the grave or exiled etc.
>>94796874Do it. It was the card I built my jank izzet deck around and it can be a repeatable pseudo-tutor if you build your deck a certain way.
>>94796914I was thinking of slotting it into my RogSi deck as a meme use for treasures and useless food tokens for big artifacts.
>>94796077>buy upgrades/cards I wanna use>by the time they arrive I've replaced the cards with more efficient/better cards I already owned>pile of cards I wanna use but can't find slots for nowit truly is an abstract kind of suffering lmao
>>94797040like what?
>>94795468Chaos decks suck and they're only fun the very first time they go off, then people kill you because your shit is annoying.
>>94796435>Players thought it was actually usefulThey were right, banding is great.>>94796510>isn't intuitiveIt's intuitive, but it's not easy to write in the same way regeneration is.
>>94797049All 3 of these for Mishra. Dragster is more about style points and stealing removal but the other two are the ones I'm really into.>Implement of Examination3 cmc so it triggers Simulacrum Synthesizer, the token copies can be used to swing AND self-sac for 2 card draw, and I own a foil one.>Detective's SatchelI really like this one because 4cmc triggers synthesizer, etbs for 2 clues, can make thopters if I've sacrificed an artifact (and if I've sac'd a clue or something, I can make 2 thopters before the Warform goes away). It feels like it makes a decent amount of worse tokens for almost nothing.
>>94797080>It was usefulYou needed another creature with banding for it to do anything. "Bands with" was so useless it got an errata to overhaul it and it still sucks because you're playing a pre-2000s overcosted statline as a sorcery speed combat trick.
>>94797086are you relying on simulacrum synthesizer?
I was NOT cooking when I made this.https://archidekt.com/decks/10853328/im_monkey
>>94797086Got a Mishra list? I have a simulacrum synthesizer I don't have a deck for now and I was thinking of picking up the Mishra precon from my LGS as an artifact deck and also to pick up a deck in colors I don't normally play
>>94797139I try to fish it out of my deck every game, so yeah it's fairly important. My deck can win/combo off without it, but my preferred way to win is trigger it a ton of times for huge Karnstructs.>>94796776I'm gonna have to note this down as a potentially fun idea>>94797152Absolutely! I love the Mishra precon and there's a lot to work with in ithttps://archidekt.com/decks/10506363/mishras_warforgeI was previously using precon Urza because I love Karnstructs but I really wanted access to Red for Blast Furnace Hellkite lmao>>94795825I've got this on my Varina list. It's a fun idea, but I'm unsure how good it actually ends up being. Will report on it when Varina is done (if it's still in it)>>94795760They didn't know, anon... they didn't know..
>>94797114>You needed another creatureYeah, the thing white was supposed to do(have lots of weenie creatures)>so useless it got an errataIt got an errata because they realized they hadn't properly tied it to the 'up to one creature without banding'
>>94796043If you're games are going so long you can get 26 lands out then your deck is dogshit and you're playing against retards. Maybe focus on closing the game out not getting even more lands in play which you clearly cannot utilize correctly. Even in my lands deck this has never happened
>>94794885Because it's not asymmetric. The only players who would want this are combo dorks and it's too slow/weak for them. Everyone else has creatures they want on the board. The kind of players who think this card would be good in their decks are too inexperienced to know how to proxy either.
>>94797201There are so many decks that want this outside of combo. Please don't give your opinions when you're not good at the game. Literally any deck that goes tall would want it, most control decks would want it
>>94797148you are so cooked
>>94796776Because there was no need to add more text on an already wordy card to explain that even though you can use a token as your target it'll just disappear and seeing as how there is no way to have tokens in your library you just paid 4 mana to shuffle your library.
>>94797253Wow you're incredibly bad at the game why are you replying to posts with information that is not only not helpful but wrong. No you're not paying 4 to shuffle, you are turning the token into a real permanent card lol >>94796776Why wouldn't you be able to? It's an artifact permanent
>pseudfag is still here compulsively replying to postsJFC man the fuck do you do all day take a shower and get a job
>>94797266What are you talking about?
>>94797261>I don't know the rules but I WILL smugly reply to you and say you are wrong111.8 you pretentious retard
>>94797289What does this have to do with anything anon? You realize this has no relevance here correct? You can "shuffle" a token in and still flip off the top. I sure wonder why the fucking gatherer for the card would mention tokens if not>being right when I'm wrong is pretentiousTalk about ego lmao
>>94797289>>94797266Anons mad someone corrected him heheheehehehehe
>>94797307Yes you can target a token. Yes you can put it in your library. Then once everything resolves it ceases to exist because Scramble doesn't change its type you absolute pseud Mongoloid, it's still a token outside of the battlefield and it will disappear once the state updates. Read the fucking rules dipshit 111.8
>>94797317Yes. It will disappear i am not disputing that anon. You claimed he was paying 4 mana to shuffle his deck, i am educating you on how the game works (or how the card which doesn't mention shuffling your deck anywhere). The token will hit the library and cease to exist, but the game still sees an artifact hit the library. You then reveal off the top til you hit an artifact and put that onto the battlefield for free. Do you really think you cant poly off of tokens?111.8 has absolutely no relevance here anon
>>94792708>Izzet>Color combo with Counters and all kinds of anti-blue stuff.>In a multiplayer game where every other player probably will attempt to get rid of it, too.I would call him a faggot because that's what he is.
>>94797317Token isn't a type you fucking retard lmao stop fucking talking
>>94797404Artifact is...Putting an artifact token in a library gets you a non token artifact...
>>94797420What does that have to do with anything here? What the ever loving fuck are you trying to say>you just spent 4 mana to shuffle!!!>the card doesn't change its type.... which matters for some reason>token and non token artifacts are different!?
>>94796043If you have games like that you might as well go all basics and run charbelcher.
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