>>94803577
fuck, I pasted the Subject of the thread in the Name field.

I am become cringe, the destroyer of Threads.

>>94803615
Hello /WoDg/&/CofDg/ - World of Darkness and Chronicles of Darkness General

>>94803622
Hello, Anonymous.

I brought shame upon our house.

>>94803615
quick just make a new one before discussion starts here

In any case.

>TQ

Coolest thing I ever seen are quite a lot but the time my group of Vampire players decided to take on a Nexus Crawler with improvised weaponry was top of the shelf stuff.
One of them even made a flamethrower using a kitchen gas canister.

>>94803633
Ah we'll survive. It's not the first time someone (me, lol) fucks up the subject of the thread.
It makes for some entertaining banter, at least.

>>94803636
>vampires
>taking on a goddamn Nexus Crawler
>the shit that makes werewolves its bitch
Brass balls on them. Did any of them get torpored/final deathed?

Who tops?
Who bottoms?
Dante or Vergil?

>>94803636
Aren't Nexus Crawlers spirits? Did it run through the gauntlet or something?

>>94804342
They're big boy spirits, so they possess stuff like train derailments and contort the whole thing into a robot body.

>>94804328
They weren't the only people there. It was a major, massive masquerade breach as the Crawler rampaged through an entire mental facility, so the PCs adopted a strategy of hit-and-run kyting.
Thankfully due to how it was a mental hospital most of the Masquerade breach got solved with "there was a gas leak" and "those people are crazy!", plus a lot of string-pulling in the media.

One other moment of sheer badassery from that session was when one of the PCs, holding a white phosphorous grenade in one hand, jumped on the crawler, punched a hole through its carapace with the hand holding the grande, dropped it inside while pulling the pin, and jumped off, all in the same turn.
He rolled 30 die for damage there, all aggravated.
He had 3 successes.
The PC was rightfully mad about it.
I put this on the Crawler's weird distortion powers.

>>94804342
They were sent out to investigate an "anomaly" nobody knew what it was. They had express orders to assess the situation and fuck off. They instead chose to "help" and solve the problem themselves.

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>>94804335
They're brothers.
The real question is who puts in the front and who puts it in the back when they're double-teaming.

In my infinite autisdom, I already clarified for all petitioners that they are Rabisu Nephilim with relic swords. Rebellion and Sparda grant access to Lore of Fire, while Yomato grants Lore of Portals.

Reminder that in canon DMC lore there was an unseen wizard powerful enough to summon and bind demons as strong as fucking Mundus. Dante looks out for his bratty descendant, and you hear her on the phone in the opening of DMC5, as it is implied she wants to fuck him on her 18th birthday, so she calls.

Mage supremacy exists even in places you least expect.

>>94805163
Patty is a little bitch, but they better make her a playable caster type character in an inevitable sequel title, to make up for the loss of V.

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>>94805163
Mage supremacy is a Jewish conspiracy to make Solomon look like a badass.
Mazel Tov, achim!

>>94805222
Jews don’t like to acknowledge that one of their greatest was a man who enslaved poor innocent demons to build his house for him, though. They do acknowledge that Moses was basically a wizard tho. The Jews have always had this repute of being sorcerers. It was standard for the medieval Spaniard to grab the nearest Jew and force them to bless their crops.

DMC is the gayest shit ever and 4chan deepthroats Crapcom mediocrity like Didney Adults with the MCU

BANG BANG

>It was standard for the medieval Spaniard to grab the nearest Jew and force them to bless their crops.
I just looked this up and it’s actually true?
lmao

>>94805270
Bayonetta is cool to Anon, it's not a competition. You don't have to be mad.

>>94805302
Hermetica is medieval, ethnoreligious scabbing

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Why are Selkie so useless?

>>94805391
What do you mean useless? Their birthright lets them turn into an entire sea, that's busted.

>>94805391
Cute is a use

>>94805391
>Be Knocker, the craftsmen and tinkerers
>Boggans are more reliable craftsmen because all the stuff you make is magically flawed.
>Be Selkie
>If your seal skin is harmed in the Deep Dreaming the damage is dealt to your soul, scarring it permanently
>Be a troll with your sidhe lord in the Deep Dreaming
>"Hey, troll, go kill that thing for me would you?"
>It's a fucking monster of a Chimera
>N-*dies*

Imagine being a changeling. Imagine.

>>94805434
>Imagine.
That's what they want

>>94805434
>>It's a fucking monster of a Chimera
it's even funnier is when it's not a Chimera, c20 mentions that haughty changelings who go dragon hunting in the dreaming sometimes don't just run into a child's imagination but a real millenia old bygone and then they are in for a world of hurt

>>94805117
while i agree. i don't think it's infinite autisdom till you produce statblocks

and then we can all screech over if we agree about the stats or not

>>94805650
Does a book describe what an "Elder" level demon character looks like, stat-wise?

>>94805674
earthbound would be your best bet, but given that the kids are nephilim and original post in the other thread said those would be limited to 3 dots spheres higher end abilities would be off the table

>>94805684
*3 dots lores

>>94805684
Oh yeah, I just mean as far as a "fair" amount of dots in all the other stats. Besides, considering Sparda's rank and Legacy, I think it's fair to say his Nephilim would be much more powerful than the average (even if only for the amount of features their apocalyptic form gets).

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>>94805674
Kinda. The storyteller's companion has pic related for freshly summoned higher end demons, but it doesn't really apply to Demons that have been on earth for long. As the other anon said, the Earthbound example sheets would be your best bet there.
I personally go with the rough exp ranges in V20 when I'm considering making longer lived characters of basically any kind.
>>94805684
I keep seeing people say stuff like this, but after scouring every source I could find, I can confidently say there's never been official stats for DtF Nephilim, so anon can give them whatever spread he'd want. Probably best to just use Fallen as a template.

>>94805748
yeah he converted the nephlim stats from the laham from mage or however you write it, it was a full autism post

>>94805798
Oh, right, I forgot about this post >>94767497
It's not to my own taste, but if anon wants to use that, here it is.

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What's your favorite half splat? I need ideas for a short chronicle and some Easter eggs.

>>94805748
Okay, I'm working on it now. Starting with a starter Dante that I'll elaborate on with Ix Tab's stats. The most work will be making Rebellion and Ebony & Ivory.

Who had "Gaiman's name becomes the biggest shitstain on V5's core book credits" marked on their 2025 bingo?

>>94806087
Demon blooded (Descent).

>>94806229
Okay, having more-or-less finished, the biggest complication is how Relics work. It doesn't really translate to a sheet, nor perfectly to DMC. I would suggest Ebony and Ivory are simply enchanted relics, with infinite ammo and can be charged with 1 Faith for extra damage. Rebellion is more complex. It's definitely a demonic relic, but its use is determined by Dante beating it in a previous psychic battle, bringing it down to Stamina + Wits; Difficulty 3. It costs 1 Faith to activate, and contains the lores of Celestial (generates Faith) and Flame (adds fire damage). It adds 1 Torment, as all demonic relics do, but Dante's perpetually hanging around Torment 2-4 anyways. Dante's basically just a minmaxed fighter, he relies on Relics to provide his demon magic.

What are each clan in this trailer?
Definitely Nosferatu and Tremere in the lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DauErLT3OH0

>>94806633
As well, I can confirm that rolling Dante and Vergil as Thralls with Investments works. I don't think they have high faith scores, and their apocalyptic forms are buffs rather than anything magnificent. Having them as Willpower 7+, Faith 3 mortals with some really fancy Investments and stats works. They can't use Lores anyways, their magic comes from their Demonic Relics.

>>94806659
All of Dante's physics defying antics clearly indicate use of the Lore of the Fundament, though.

>>94806644
Our protagonist can walk through sunlight.
I'm currently not yet sure if that's something inherent to his bloodline or a rare anomaly.

>>94806692
Not if he has turbo-charged Strength and Athletics. Anything more should be added to Rebellion, because he's basically a mortal who can use Faith to fuel minor Numina until he picks up a Devil Arm.

>>94806459
context for old cave dwelling me?

>>94806459
Who?
>>94806485
Those are pretty neat.

>>94806977
>Those are pretty neat.
Check out the Nephilim in the Storyteller's Guide for a more powerful kind of demon blooded.

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Here's Dante as he was at the start of DMC3, before he woke Rebellion. The next post will contain his stats at the point he awoke after Vergil stabbed him with Rebellion.

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>>94807277
I have to explain a custom Merit for Dante that is necessary for his lifestyle, and befits how demons react to him as a Nephilim. Reverse Reaper means he can harvest the Faith of Demons that witness his Apocalyptic Form. The existance of the Nephilim is so alien to them that they begin to fear that he is superior to them, and unconsciously offer him Faith.

>>94807277
>Dante
>Appearance 2

>>94807277
>before he woke Rebellion.
I've spent too much time online. I read this and started wondering what Rebellion was and what was so 'woke' about it

>>94807277
>>94807345
>Dextery 3
>Performance 0
>Performance ZERO

Nobody that can do a dance improv like that has Performance 0.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV9LyYzLUyQ

>>94807345
It's about the social merit. He is so lacking in swagger that he has anti-magnetism. He goofy.
>>94807349
I anticipated this, and you fell into my trap like the silly ovid you are.

>>94807351
Wait no it's Expression 0, he's got one dot in Performance.
I fucked up.

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>>94807356
Damn, you really got me

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Are there any interesting Archery builds for supernatural archer?

>>94807947
If you're playing CofD there are a few Fighting Styles for it. Bowmanship, and Combat Archery are in 2e's Hurt Locker. The former is more about range and precision shooting, the latter about being in close and maneuverability. 1e's Armory has Archery but it's a bit of a mix of the above with less of the fun new things to do. There are probably some historic Merits in Dark Eras or something too.

>>94807356
I've seen enough horny posters on /v/ to know that no matter how much of a goof Dante is, he's attractive to women and homos alike. Give him high appearance but absolutely no social skills then.

>>94807947
Mage archer.
Correspondence, Entropy and Forces allow you to change the trajectory of your shots or make them bounce off surfaces, the later two can also prevent them from losing speed with distance or hit harder. Correspondence + Matter can make you shoot through any distance.
Matter and Forces can create crazy arrows (explosive, freezing, lightning, laser), add Prime for infinite ammo or pure-energy shots.
Low levels of Mind can help you focus and aim better.
Spirit to hunt ghosts and other... well, spirits. Depending on the edition you're playing and your ST you might even be able to shoot through the spirit realm.
Time for "bullet time" (or arrow time in your case). Life for... uhh... I dunno. Mix it with Matter to turn an arrow into a centipede once it connects, maybe? Give yourself eagle eyes and bat ears for better aiming, strengthening your muscles and ligaments for a stronger draw... stuff like that.
Using the right spheres you could essentially shoot magickal energy arrows that home in, explode and freeze the enemy, with infinite ammo and faster than sound.

>>94808022
Sounds fair enough.

>>94808024
I'd concede to Appearance 3 (women in the games see him as a slob) if there was a significant Flaw of Total Himbo where he must reroll every successful communication roll, and take the second result. Keep in mind that this is DMC3, before he learned about drip.

>>94808030
>Life for... uhh... I dunno.
What are stat buffs? jokes aside you can poison the arrows on top of that and similar bullshit.

I need a second opinion. Do you think that it's feasible for a lone Technocrat operative in the field to overlook one of his neighbors awakening and what was previously normal friendly conversations becoming a way for the latter to spy on him and learn his methods? It's a potential plot point in a cyoa I'm feeling out and I worry that it downplays the technocracy. On the other hand, I like the idea of the protagonist being against the technocracy, but at the same time learning magic their way and inadvertently playing into their worldview.

>>94808485
Remember anon: in M20 canon the Technocracy was taken by surprise by the rise of social media of all things.
A single operative, specially one that has grown complacent and fallen into comfortable habits, can easily overlook his neighbor awakening as long as said neighbor doesn't do anything that could give him away.
So avoid vulgar magick at all costs or anything that could rise enough suspicions for the technocrat to use some kind of detection effect.

>>94808549
>>94808572
That's reassuring. In that case I'll go ahead with my original plan, which I liked more. It was either spying on a Technocrat or being mentored by an Etherite. I worried that I'd have to make the technocrat part of the syndicate to justify his incompetence.

>>94808594
>being mentored by an Etherite
If you are making a cyoa, please let us choose our tradition.

>>94808651
You'll be choosing a convention first of all, and that's the plan. The idea is that after infiltrating the technocratic base, which is currently only crewed by a single lazy operative you get access to training manuals for a number of different conventions. So far I think of giving the player a choice of Iteration X, Progenitor or Void Engineer. Either cybernetics and mind powers, biological enhancements and disposable minions or high tec weapons and portals. It's still in the gameplay planning phase.

>>94806761
Web searches are easy and free.

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>>94807947
Atheltics is meta for 1e gangrels if you just run Red Surrender 5 at all times (which you do). They even come with a picture of using a bow. You get +5 on stealth, survival, athletics (inc. archery), initiative, and detection for largely trivial penalties besides losing empathy/socialize.
>same creative director as 2e/RfR
Boy how it shows
He was even trying to force strix in lmao

>>94808485
You can never go too far in writing NPCs as incompetent if you're worried about conforming to WW lore.

>>94808549
>Atheltics is meta for 1e gangrels if you just run Red Surrender 5 at all times (which you do). They even come with a picture of using a bow. You get +5 on stealth, survival, athletics (inc. archery), initiative, and detection for largely trivial penalties besides losing empathy/socialize.
That sounds pretty bullshit desu

I’m watching 30 Coins right now. I just finished the episode where Fabio is introduced by the pope.

Anything like that in WoD?
How would you play an exorcist?

>>94808877
I haven't watched that show, but if he's just your typical catholic exorcist, then maybe use Sorcerer's Summoning Binding and Warding path, except he specializes in Dismissal.

>>94808877
I really liked 30 Coins. Interested in what you think of how it ends.

Sorry but how are you even meant to use minor factions like bloodlines or fera as a st if they are this rare?

>>94809637
First of all: it's your world so you decide how rare things really are.
But after that, the fact that something is rare doesn't mean it's impossible to find, just unlikely under mundane circumstances. Unless you're giving your players a "sandbox" type chronicle you have a lot of control over how mundane or strange their circumstances will be, and even if you're playing a sandbox style scenario you can still sneak those and give your players clues to find them.

>>94809637
In addition, bloodlines and fera can be rare globally, but highly concentrated in a particular area, like the Old Clan all being in the Carpathians, or Samedi all being in Carribeans/New Orleans, or Balam being in South America, etc.

>>94808485
You would be surprised with the amount of stuff happening in the neighbourhood that one can miss, especially involving direct neighbours.
Source is Trust Me Bro.

small question; is there a source somewhere how large sabbat packs usually are?

>>94810186
depends on the area and size, you can have packs that are the size of your average coterie thats like three to five dudes or monster ass twenty man packs.
Every pack at the bare minimum needs a priest a ductus and somebody to boss around otherwise you're a pretty sad ass pack.

What is the inspiration for Golconda?
How do you Anons use it in your games—if at all?

>>94810250
i am asking because i only have two players right now so i am wondering how many npcs i should put into their pack

the chronicle is meant to be about the pander rebellion and the players want to be involved in the rebellion on the side of the panders and i think having them as the ductus and priest would work, but like you said just that alone would be a sorry pack
>>94810389
the only "Golconda" version i used so far was the holy grail knight and it was the main goal of the chronicle and the one player who actually managed to become one to my surprise wanted to retire the character just after archiving chivalrous enlightenment despite the group of inquisitors that hunted them across europa (the group started in paris and first looked for the grail in the holy land) still being around so we never got to playing around with it

>>94810514
Well, desu make the chronicle about building up a pack and have them start with nothing. Have them pick what NPCs they want or not. Let them choose, is it strength in numbers or the strongest of those who chaff under the elders and their reign. Social darwinism or found family. Leave that up to your players, its their pack after all!

>>94810864
sounds like a great idea, thanks anon

I'm having a hard time figuring out where to place caerns and then deciding which tribes should be attached to them. Especially for some of the tribes, like Black Furies who tend to only like untouched wilderness. Good luck finding that in the metropolitan hellscape of half of the US. A lot of the remaining forests in those places are more like parks anyway. Man, I'm starting to understand why this shit is so dire for them.

Another dev diary.

https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/dev-diary-legend-of-the-nomad

Not particularly good news.
The first is that the character's backstory will be defined as you play instead of upfront.
Because in Vampire the Masquerade, you make up your character's sheet as you go. Session zero is for the weak, right? Big, big blunder and another display that the people who made this game don't understand the source material.

The other thing that struck me out of ordinary is the diminishing use of the name Phyre in the entire diary entry. Now it's The Nomad, which is a much better term than "Phyre the Vampire".

Overall, this game still screams Flop to me.

>>94812083
Every competent roleplayer at any table I've been at fleshes out their character in response to situations during play. There isn't any real benefit to frontloading all your choices if the play is going to effect your perception of the character. Which it will, because it always does. That's sort of a central part of roleplaying.

>>94812083
This game should be renamed to Phyre Phestival

>>94812083
>we're this far in the dev cycle and the story is still being changed all the damn time
uhh.... that's not a good sign at all

>>94812083
They should give me the WoD IP.
I would make porn games.

>>94812083
From the skim of that article I did it seems like those choices are more like a session zero than what 1 had. Like, talking about your character to someone and making decisions and shit is what happens at a session 0 so I can't say I see the problem with a conversational approach

>>94812314
Session Zero is about your mortal life and being a fledgling desu

>>94812399
What kinds of porn games?

>>94812083
What if they're just a fraud rolling to convince people whatever legend just got mentioned is also secretly about them?

>>94812083
Can't wait for Changeling: The Dreaming - Night Terrors starring The Gnomad

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>>94812331
>Phyre Phestival
Good one Anon, gave me a laugh.

>>94812413
Session Zero has this name because it's supposed to happen before Session 1.

If you're already playing by the time you start making those decisions then they're not part of Session Zero.

You can have a make-shit-up-as-you-go types of games, but then why is it that there's so much material involving Session Zero promoted by the very same people promoting this game?

It couldn't possibly be that it's because the game itself is a make-shit-up-as-you-go type of development, right?

>>94812466
>What if they're just a fraud rolling to convince people whatever legend just got mentioned is also secretly about them?
What if they're just a fraud rolling to convince people whatever legendary game is in the title is the franchise they belong?

>>94812435
Kramer Hentai Adventure in World of Darkness aka Meet n' Fuck flash games.
Serious answer? Probably weird ass games that mix visual novel, dating sim, mystery solving and even some combat to spice things up. Lots of sex but lots of lore and character interactions. One for each splat, even though it'd be impossible to adapt Mage's freeform magick to any game.

>>94812588
Making your backstory during a chat vs in a menu is functionally identical. The game won't be good anyway, you don't need to bend over backwards to create shitty arguments why that'll be the case,

>>94810186
Could be anything from three dudes to two dozen. Natural attrition probably keeps them in the 3-8 range though.

Related, but am I the only one who would like more attention given to the nomadic packs? I think they're closer to the "ideal" of the Sabbat, plus they let the Sabbat project force into areas where they have zero held territory.

>>94810514
Aren't there some packs that think the Ductus is a fake and gay position and only have Priests?

>>94812605
>Anon did not read the article
Two important points.
Point number one, Bloodlines had a bit of a questionnaire for you to define what your character would be like.
This was optional but it was there, so, uh, your first point is kinda moot. Not exactly the same thing but you still had the option to create a character through a conversation of sorts.
If you want another example of a game that did things like that, look at the classics of the Ogre series, Tactics Ogre and Ogre Battle. Those are games that have been remade and relaunched a dozen times and inspired a whole bunch of other games.
Point number two, if we're gonna be talking about Session ZERO then it needs to happen before you start playing the game. You can always iron out certain details about your backstory as you go, that's not a big deal, but defining everything about your character only when it becomes relevant to the story is very different from using dialogue to define who your character is.
If you want an example of the type of game that does this sort of backstory building, the most famous example is Dragon Age: The Veilguard.

I think when you compare the inspirational material for these particular systems on BL1 vs BL2, it's very obvious which inspirations and systems have a positive legacy and which ones are not.
I also think if you're gonna try and school people on what they dislike about something, it would help you if you actually bothered to read the damn dev diary so you understand what people are talking about, instead of trying to be a smartass and ending up making a damn fool of yourself.

>>94812399
Just install the porn mods for CKIII, boot 'em up together with Prince of Darkness, and enjoy your monsterfucking sex dungeon.

>>94812691
It's a good thing you're too autistic to pretend to not be trolling.

Are there any rules for creating Paths of Enlightenment?
I want to make one for my character but I don't want it to fall too much into the "Path of What I was going to do anyways" trope.

>>94812729
I suppose when you tried correcting your teacher and you turned out to be wrong because you didn't read the textbook, you also called being corrected "trolling".
Another day, another lesson, eh, Disciplefag?

>>94812773
Pick your vibe, then your virtues, and we can work on it together!

>>94812083
>tfw we'll have no Wise Guy Kinfolk FPS working for the werewolf mafia
>tfw when we'll never have a Changeling the Dreaming soulslike
>tfw we'll never have another decent VTM RPG
>tfw they'll never make a mage video game, ever, like ever, never happening.
And the march of Banality continues, what joy...

I like to get basic backstory and character details done ahead of time so I have a good jumping off point, and then flesh it out and add detail during play. I figured this is more or less how everyone does it, with some leaning more into the backstory and more leaning into in-play but still being somewhere on this spectrum.

Either way is it worth arguing about when the game looks like ass, has looked like ass for a long time, and will almost certainly be ass?

>>94812777
>if I call someone else Disciplefag no one will now it's me
Genuine brainrot

>>94812918
I took an educated guess, you can't blame me for shooting my shot.

>>94812784
Vibe: Edgy Batman
Virtues:
>Defend the innocent
>Crush the wicked. Kine, kindred or something else
>Can only feed on the innocent if given consent
>Hunt and feed on the wicked, it's a sin to not drain them completely
>Embrace becoming a monster as long as you keep fighting monsters
>Give those close to you the means to fight, even if it goes against their will
>Rejoice in causing pain and anguish to the wicked
>Your ghouls are family, even more so than your clan
>No matter how forbidden it is - diablerie, vicissitude, infernalism - if it helps you fight against "evil" you must do it
>Diplomacy is virtuous, but punishment is righteous

>>94812083
Look at this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JtpOX0CxDo

It's at least 10 times better than anything BL2 has presented so far.

>>94812946
I give you five minutes before wassail

>>94812804
I would love a werewolf X-Com style tactical game. I'd prefer it being Forsaken though

>>94812946
As long as you're willing to properly roleplay that kind of extreme behavior, and expect ST to fuck with you by giving you a victim that only seems guilty, or push you to abuse your ghouls.

Hedgefag… I need… Hedgefag…

>>94813579
I could see tactics working well with Werewolf, but for me it'd have to be Hunter.

>>94813821
Would work well because of the "needing everything to go perfectly" but

>>94813660
Just get on Grindr holy shit. I promise you, you will meet more mentally unwell twinks than you could possibly handle.

>>94813606
I can imagine a Tzimisce Batman "lovingly" abusing his ghouls with vicissitude because of this point
>Give those close to you the means to fight, even if it goes against their will
>"Yes my dear child it is imperative I turn you into a scaly szlachta with sharp talons and barbed tongue it's so you can fight evil please don't make it harder"

>>94814136
But then you got the "family" part. Obviously, this character must be deeply delusional and doomed to Wassail, but it's a question of when. The Beast is totally uninhibited as long as there's a target, but what happens when you have no more good targets accessible? Especially when you're gonna be so intimate with your ghouls?

Hot take: I don’t mind the Red Talons’ "no Homids" ban being retconned in W5. It’s not even that hard to come up with an in-universe reason for the change.
Griffin, for all his misanthropy, is not stupid. In the Era of Apocalypse, he can no longer afford to be picky; there just isn’t enough wolves to sustain an all-wolfborn Tribe anymore. Of course, a potential humanborn Talon would have to be themselves a misanthrope, or at the very least someone who feels more kinship to the wild than their own species.

>>94812083
I think you're very much overstating the point. The games we abusively call RPGs on computer - games that trie (pretend) to emulate tabletop RPGs - are utlimately games of a very different cloth from their source. If only: there is no significant emergent storytelling in computer RPGs so far, that I know.
The fact is that they often need to be functionally different, or that they can have dissimilar benefits from similar tools

That said:I see nothing inherently wrong with the way they're going with character definition for BL2. As always, it's going to be a matter of execution.
Let's take that example from the dev-diary:
>The Black Hand locked you behind iron doors under Paris, and you only escaped the blade by crawling through sewage.
Now, you can let the player define that at character creation, but that means leaving an extensive enough corpus for new players to know and understand what it entails for their character and what it means for the game they're setting.
In tabletop, where much of the narrative tools are front-loaded, that's not much of an issue (it can be, but usually workable).
In video game form, you're limiting yourself to a subfaction of fans (and even then - the Black Hand is fluid enough in presentation that things can vary strongly from one DM to another) and a very limited audience of fussy people (of which, I'm sad to say, I probably am) willing to spend hours reading data at character creation. Giving the context in play and /then/ letting the player decide is perfectly sensible.

(That said, given that other example with Constantinople/Prague/Venice, I'm wondering how well the game will do all that.)

>>94814533
Wait, the Red Talons now have homid and don't universally restore the Impergium? They're now the most based tribe in the Nation.

>>94814619
And I think you're being a contrarian to try and sound smart but instead you're just sounding like a huge faggot.

Try to apply your same logic to Baldur's Gate 3 for example. No character creation menu, no nothing, you just make up the story as you go.

This project is indefensible and you know it.

>>94814689
>contrarian
That would seem to imply I'm arguing against a commonly agreed upon opinion.
>try and sound smart
Methinks that's just the EFL+ painkiller talking - abusing periphrases cause I struggle finding the right words. Fuck you very much for the tone though.

>Try to apply your same logic to Baldur's Gate 3 for example. No character creation menu, no nothing, you just make up the story as you go.
You'll have to be more precise about what you mean, otherwise I'm going to believe you suddenly turned around and are saying Bloodlines 2 is doing it right.
BG3 does allow you to define some elements of your character's backstory through converations but I can't remember off the top of my head if any such elements had any significance /beside/ cosmetic. Been a while but the impression the game left me was of being more plot-driven than character-driven. Dark Urge notwithstanding, it's doesn't really matter who the character is and what its past was. Only what it does.

>>94814844
Fair enough, Anon.
Rest up and heal.

>>94803577
Good night.
Wtf happened to the Sabbat in v5?

>>94814925
The Sabbat was toxic and harassed women or something, then made a giant ass seven-part post on his blog rambling about his receipts or something.
Then someone later made a book about it and put it on the STV or something.

I might be confusing my Fifth Edition controversies here, there have been so many it's hard to remember 'em all.
Or something.

>>94814956
I hate v5 so much

Sabbat felt like home to me. I'm latinx

>>94815006
>Latinx
Nobody from Latin America uses the term Latinx

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I'm trying to think of ways I can have the Second Inquisition really fucking torment some player characters they have on a blacksite. Anyone got some recommendations?

>>94815006
Post clan.

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>>94812083
just looked at the dev and they padded the hair options by making each color variant a separate hairstyle.

>>94814229
There's always the possibility of using ghouls to scout out targets, you know, indoctrinating them into his weird vigilante psycho ideology. Or even just traveling the world. It'd be fun to see a Tzimisce doing the Dracula thing and carrying jars of his native soil into Latin America or Africa just to fight cartels/warlords.
That said if that anon is really interested in playing a diablerie-happy vicissitude vamp I don't see why he can't just go Asakku. Nothing in the path conflicts with his psycho vigilante concept, it'd be easier to maintain and even gives him extra justifications for diablerie, torture and turning his beloved ghouls into killing machines.

>>94815014
Yes. It's a english word. No one speaks english here.
Even the term "latino" is unknown here
>>94815028
Tzimisce. But also Ventrue antitribu

>>94815015
Bloodlines webm?

>>94812083
Brutal.
They should've simply made a remake of the first.

Imagine playing as a elder

Would a Hollow One with a Norwood III be doomed to a low rank?

>>94815161
Why can't he heal himself?

>>94815113
This is such a stupid word.
Mixing up an algebraic symbol derived from Arabic (or Greek, depending on who you ask) to represent people from Latin America or ethnically Spanish people living in North America (but not the Quebecois, who also speak a romance language) in a West Germanic language.
And then United Statians wonder why is it that the rest of the world thinks they're stupid.

>>94815015
What do you mean by Torment?

>>94815074
Might be just an ongoing development thing.

One question I have is if Fifth Edition changed the whole "Vampires change back to their original appearance after a night" thing, like, tattoos disappear, hairs change back, nails regrow etc.

Fifth edition which is an entire game line that was made to promote and facilitate Bloodlines 2's development and now there's very little from Fifth Edition in Bloodlines 2.

Slow clap, Paradox. Slow clap.

>>94815113
>Tzimisce
Disgusting.

>>94815179
Depends on your parameters.

The idea of looking the same forever freaks me out

>>94815113
>Ventrutribu
The true kings in the night

>>94815170
Sh-shut up

>>94815182
What are Looks if not your personal brand image?
Like, why do you think so many famous people have had the same haircut or moustache etc for so many years?

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>>94815207
ngmi

>>94815201
The ultimate larp clan. I like the idea of a knightly inhuman clan

>>94815213
I'm thinking in terms of immortality. Imagine if you manage to live for 10000plus years while looking the same. Basically the ethnicity that gave you birth no longer exists and you'll look alien-like.

Lorewise Tiamat is like that. Vampire so old that she doesn't look like she belongs anywhere else

>>94815268
There's probably a ritual for that, no need to be a dirty tzimisce.

>>94815201
>The true queens in the lasombras' harems
ftfy, bro.

>>94812083
I do not care about the fake bloodlines game and you shouldn't either.

>>94815268
Develop a reverse path of blood thaumaturgy that lowers your Generation and get some Dhampyrs out there. Repopulate your ancestral land with vampire hybrids.

>>94815319
Its a trainwreck I can't avert my eyes from.

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>>94815282
Why do Lasombra women have the hottest bodies among all Vampires in the World of Darkness?
Because they have a killer silhouette.

>>94815379
I want to sex Lucita

>>94815379
>Lasombra women are mostly hot and usually slutty
>Male Lasombra are usually the shlubbiest guy in the room

What did White Wolf mean by this?

>>94815278
Who wouldn't want to fleshcraft himself or the others?

>>94815481
Half of Europe's Elders already have. You still sure?

>>94815483
Are they? If I remember correctly they enjoyed dressing with the finest things money can buy

>>94815483
Nope, also considered slick and roguishly handsome. A *glamorous* enough clan that they're in the top 3 for unseelie preference.

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>>94815495
Made a quick collage from images on the wiki. They look pretty shlubby to me.

>>94815483
What are you talking about?
Of all the Lasombra male characters listed in the wiki, the lowest Appearance rating you'd find among them is Appearance 2. The average is 3.

>>94815525
Look at the images given to those characters bro. Vitel is a shlub, appearance 6 my ass. Moncada is an ugly fat fuck. Gratiano looks at best like a creepy professor or producer.

I'm dead serious, a lot of Lasombra look shlubby.

>>94815554
>Vitel
Why is this guy drawn with an open mouth in almost all his images?
>Also known as Se*anus
What did White Wolf mean by this?

>Moncada
He's a schlob indeed.

>Gratiano
That one is stylish. Creepy, but stylish.

>>94815580
Sejanus was a real dude, he more or less invented the Praetorian Guard backstab but fucked up before fully couping Emperor Tiberius. Started running the capital like a third world dictatorship before Tiberius wised up. Tiberius had him strangled and thrown down the longest flight of stairs in Rome. Weird choice to make him this giga elder, but in a way it makes his retard moment with the nukes track better.

>>94815623
I know.
I watched Unbiased History of Rome too.

>>94815671
It was I, Claudius for me. Patrick Stewart with hair is uncanny.

>>94815678
>1976
I think my dad was a preteen when this came out. I'm going to put it on my Watch List; if it is half as good as the HBO show, it's worth watching.

Unbiased History is this one:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLp5VE4P1YBhc05cDqiOazzTTu1WSh8MHg

The first few episodes on this playlist are remakes. The originals were a little more overboard with the un-PC stuff.

>>94815705
>Unbiased History is this one:
So cringe

>>94815863
It has a poor start but gets better later.

Just finished episode 5 and 6 of 30 coins.
I really like the show. Ended with the new pastor (the possessed guy from episode 4) coming to the village. Though so far my favourite part of the series was when the chained fallen angel from episode 4 was explaining God’s plan.

>Motley decides to start a band
https://youtu.be/FK3BJXIJerI

24hr delay because I got banned for off topic for posting about the game again lol

>>94808873
It is. VtR Clan - Gangrel - Savage and Macabre pg 116 (bottom) - 118.
>The vampire gains +1 to dice pools based on the following Skills: Athletics, Intimidation, Stealth and Survival.
>The vampire gains +1 to Initiative.
>The vampire gains +1 to any Wits + Composure rolls made to detect an ambush or some other surprise event or attack.
>The vampire suffers a -1 penalty to dice pools based on the following Skills: Academics, Computer, Medicine, Science, Empathy, Socialize.
>The vampire suffers a -1 penalty to any non-Discipline dice rolls involving Intelligence.
x5 after 5 days. The only significant drawback is that you get -2 to humanity loss rolls (never becomes a chance die tho). You don't even get a penalty to resisting frenzy, lmao. The only time we've had a player character in it was a combat character who specialized in throwing, but they were pretty strong and kept up with us in a primarily changeling chronicle.

Like FBLGB (Blood Potency /2 to any attribute or skill of your choice) from the nosferatu book, this was brought to you by the tranny (here pre-name-change) who got first billing on VtR2e, who was mercifully kept away from the three other clanbooks.

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I'm a fairly casual WoD fan, your usual VTMB player + Hunter: The parenting watcher. Is it true that that werewolves practiced incest rape eugenics? The person I was talking to actually plays the TTRPG's but they also think warhammer orcs are racist caricatures that turn blacker the more they fight so I'm not sure how accurate/biased their info may be.

>>94816516
>Is it true that that werewolves practiced incest rape eugenics?
Sort of. They're very strongly encouraged to in a metagame sense, but the books vary in how explictly standard the worst of it is.
>incest
Yes. Royal bloodlines shit.
>rape
Stuatory. Plus if you count bestiality as rape, there's that too. Antagonists have out-and-out rape.
>Eugenics
Explictly, very much so. In the royal bloodlines, blood purity sense.

>parsee drinking a melon soda
Never really thought about the fact that she has no hat.

>>94816516
It's a little exaggerated but not an outright falsehood. I'm not a WtA expert so I may be wrong about this.

Werewolves have issues breeding true. They need to fuck kinfolk, that being people with some werewolf blood but not enough to change, in order to have a chance at making a Werewolf. Werewolf + Human may result in Kinfolk. Kinfolk are generally treated like second class citizens at best and are seen as being obligated to fuck Werewolves to produce more Werewolves. There is also some lore about them being naturally submissive to Werewolves but idk if that's objective or said by a werewolf in character bullshit.

Let me be the first to say to you, it's fine as you learn more about WoD if you don't like an entire gameline. They're very different flavors of games and you're under no obligation to treat every gameline as canon at your table.

>>94816516
>Is it true that that werewolves practiced incest rape eugenics?
It is true but they mostly show that on the Evil Werewolves Faction™.
The main factions handwave that shit for the most part even if it is true on a technical level because WtA is weird as hell.

>>94816516
>Is it true that that werewolves practiced incest rape eugenics?
Just this one Tribe (Clan equivalent) called the Silver Fangs.

>>94816661
That's just not true
>rape
Yes. (although BSDs have an even higher rate than glasswalkers of woofs who aren't even statutory rapists)
>incest eugenics
This is explicitly baked into tribes, particularly Silver Fangs. It's not "on a technical level", it's the founding statement of their entire way of life. They are weird incestuous out of touch royalty.

>>94816734
>This is explicitly baked into tribes, particularly Silver Fangs. It's not "on a technical level", it's the founding statement of their entire way of life. They are weird incestuous out of touch royalty.
I was talking about the nation as a whole.

>>94816516
>Is it true that that werewolves practiced incest rape eugenics?
Look up who the Habsburgs were.

> The person I was talking to actually plays the TTRPG's but they also think warhammer orcs are racist caricatures that turn blacker the more they fight so I'm not sure how accurate/biased their info may be.
The last part of your sentence explains the first part of your sentence.

>No Hollow One gf
I JUST WANT SOME GOTH PUSSY!!! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR???

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>>94816990
Nobody can have a Hollow One GF, Anon.
She's not gonna be Hollow anymore if you're stuffing her in.

>>94816726
>tribe
>clan equivalent

Going by the approach to what clans are, the nearest W:tA equivalent is actually the collection of five different forms that the Garou can assume, because they represent a different approach in pop culture to being a werewolf. Glabro is the Wolf Man, Crinos is The Howling, Hispo is American Werewolf in London, and Lupus is old legends about just turning into a normal wolf, or as a flip-side, Homid represents a wolfwere turning into a regular human.

Meanwhile, even if you have the heritage of a tribe, they might not let you in, or you might decline to join them. Vampires don't really have that range of options; you get embraced, you're the sire's Clan, or they screw up and you're a Caitiff, end of story.

Tangentially, there are some tribal Gifts that add or modify forms, so eventually, they gain some slight additional similarities, but only slight, and some of them can get weird; while the Stargazers have their shtick of using cultivation to access Crinos attributes in Homid, Silent Striders in their old tribe book had Pharaoh form, which didn't make them particularly wolfy as such.

>>94817034
What’s the deal with unfunny dog?
Can we have a German shepherd instead?

Does anyone know what book it was where they talk about how age can effectively lower one's generation? 13th gens were considered thinbloods in the dark ages, but in the modern day they are considered normal vampires without any of the associated thinblood flaws. I was just wondering if there was any canon material I could refer to on this, instead of relying on head canon.

Does anyone here have any experience with Siren?

>>94816516
Werewolf tends to be the most nuanced game, so the answer is always no, but yes. Like everyone else has said, Garou like to hook up with kinfolk, but only some are doing it for the explicit purpose that it's more likely to produced more Garou. The real reason for most individuals is that kinfolk are the only mortals who can see you shape shift and not lose their shit and end your life with them. It used to be a rule that for any week you spend with non-Garou you had to make rage rolls to see if you wolfed out and ruined your life with them. Most Garou would not rape, because of other Garou found out they'd most likely be pissed. Especially if it's kinfolk because the probability that that's their cousin rises exponentially. When Garou fuck wolves it's because their wolf forms are actually dumber and more bestial. They're not humans that turn into wolves, they're a creature that is both wolf and man. And yeah, Silver Fangs do explicitly practice eugenics, and to a far lesser extent certain Fianna try to play match-maker, but most don't give a shit enough, especially once it goes beyond "are they kinfolk".

>>94816516
The thing that you have to remember on this is prior to w5, the product of two werewolves - a Metis - is always sterile. Which means Kinfolk are necessary for the continuation of the species. w5 removed metis entirely for ??? but it was there for a long ass time.
Even if you remove the sterility from a metis, their birth form is the big ass war form, making them real fucking dangerous to raise. You wanna deal with the temper tantrum of a 'roid raged midget made of teeth and hate?

>>94817770
It's because they neutered the Garou. The Garou are problematic, but that's the point. All of them are shit headed murder machines, almost like there's a theme that might makes right and that choosing violence doesn't make you a very nice person. Metis are problematic because "metis" the word is a slur or something, their status in the nation makes it ableist, and they wanted to get rid of breeding entirely because they're sex regressive petit-bourgeois. Also kinfolk aren't strictly necessary to make Garou, offspring with normal mortals can still become werewolves. Instead they're necessary for Garou to interact with human and wolf society because they creep everyone out and are prone to fits of murder.

>>94817132
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pun-dog

>>94817850
>All these commie buzzwords
I understand everything you're saying, but I fucking detest the that I do: The fact that everything is filtered through such a 'lens' to use the parlance, is a large part of what I see wrong with modern day writing. A lot of contemporary writers need to come to terms with the fact that including 'problematic' elements does not equate to endorsement, especially if you cast the element in an unreasonable or distasteful light (which WtA always did with the treatment of Metis), and frankly without the narrative conflict that arises from elements you risk leaving yourself without a story to actually tell.

>>94818171
Well said, anon.

>>94815870
It's a meme YouTube channel

It's not even possible to learn history on youtube

>>94817470
>Does anyone know what book it was where they talk about how age can effectively lower one's generation?
Never happens.
The blood got more potent but that's all.

It's in Beckett's Jyhad Diary

>>94814107
Is hedgie really a mentally ill twink tho
How do we know its not some fat neck beard germ who just types “uwu”

>>94817470
the 13th gens didn't had the same flaws as thinnbloods even in the dark ages, they just couldn't sire till sometimes between the dark age and victorian era books

i know that's a big jump but we have barely any material between them and no statement when the 14th generation became a thing

>>94818470
He posted tummy pics once

>>94818171
Who would have thought that there would be consequences to every product, service and politician catering to the stupidest parts of society in order to make the most money. Pack it up folks, the Wyrm won through its strongest agent, social media and the apathy of business.

>>94817470
in universe it's just a rumor
>I’ve heard that given enough age, the blood thickens, no matter how close to Caine your sire was, you can grow to have blood like ice and a beast as terrible as a burning, lightless sun. This, of course, is rumor and hearsay. Nothing to concern yourself with too greatly.

there is also this in the dav20 book that says
>It is possible, I’m told, for the youngest of us to create a vampire themselves, but it is rare as few of you have the strength to do the act, physical or political. Without the physical power, the victim simply dies. Without the political power, some angry elder kills you both for the having the audacity to try it. We don’t tend to bother counting Generation after the Twelfth, as anything further removed from Caine can scarcely be called a vampire at all.

and the 13th generation flaw says the can't embrace flaw is encouraged but optional
>Thirteenth Generation (2 points): By some strange twist of the supernatural, you were Embraced by a member of the Twelfth Generation. Your sire may not have even expected this to come to pass, and it certainly worries
the powers-that-be, for you are something that should surely not exist. The difficulty of any rolls to activate your Disciplines is increased by one. At Storyteller discretion, you may also face other increased difficulties when you brush up against those who are frightened or suspicious of what you are. Strongly consider taking the Cannot Embrace or the Weak Blood Flaws as well.
so by raw in dav20 you could have a entire brood of 14th and 15th generaiton vampire but nobody would bother to count past 12 so they would be considered 13th generation and very likely killed if found out

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>>94815117
Yeah, Grout's Villa

>>94815174
Trying to think of ways to interrogate, traumatize, just generally torture them since apparently Chicago's SI are some of the most extreme members of the organization.

>>94818388
Unbiased History is not supposed to teach proper history. It presents shameless propaganda as if it were proper history.
That's why it's called "Unbiased" History. It's a humour channel for people who know a thing or two about history.
It has some educational value like most works that tackle the subject do, but it isn't through accurate depictions of history; that's not the point of the channel.
The main point of the channel is to make people laugh. If you don't find that type of humour funny, that's just a matter of taste. To each its own and yadda yadda.
The other point is to showcase how propaganda is used to justify all sorts of things, by providing unashamedly biased narratives about the subjects it depicts. This last point is something I think the series does tremendously well and its probably the reason why it has a cult following online.
Most people only watch the Rome series and think it's just shameless propaganda with no purpose other than to cater to Romanoboos, but if you watch the Unbiased History of Israel episode (especially after watching any of the sequences in Unbiased History of Rome involving any of the Jewish revolts) this Other Point I mentioned becomes clearer.
The channel started as a shitpost on /his/ several years ago and ended up becoming a proper series later. Unbiased History of Rome gets surprisingly good with its narrative around the halfway point and has some emotional high notes that make you wonder how in the heck someone can make you get invested in a dumb shitpost about chads and wojaks like that.
I think the series grows its beard by the time the first anime openings start popping up, which I think only happens past the Cesar-Augusts period.

>>94818499
Wtf.

>>94818540
>>94815015
>>94818549
Chicago Folios book has a pre-made adventure of players being captured by SI and having tests made on them. Also, probably Second Inquisition book has some ideas.

>>94818549
>>94818540
Have the members of SI play V5.
That should be tortuous enough.

>>94818499
>>94818553
Yeah, and he ain't a twink. He has a soft hairy belly.

>>94818573
>fuzzy twinks aren’t a thing

>>94818553
Fine. I don't like to have fun anyway

>>94818603
He isn't twink because his bodypic points out he doesn't have a twink body.
People associate him with a twink because of pics he posts of twinks/twunks characters.
>fuzzy twinks aren’t a thing
Hairy and slim men are called "otters". Not every otter needs to have six packs.

>>94817850
Well metis is a word that was used to refer to the bastard children of colonials and natives.

>>94819429
Metis is a recognised ethnic category in canada for people with multiple generations of native/european admixture, it's the same idea as mestizo in latin america

>>94819429
So kinda like a Cafuzo in Brazil. Cafuzo is the term for children of ethnically Europeans and Amerindians. The more famous "Mulato" is the term for children of Europeans and Africans, and the less popular "Mameluco" is the term for children of Amerindians and Africans.
Mind you, the Brazilian government doesn't make such distinctions. Your ethnicities are either "White", "Brown", "Black", "Indigenous", or "Yellow" over there.
The whole "Metis is a problematic term" could've been easily solved by categorising Garou as "Homid-born, Lupus-born, or Crinos-born". That's how Metis are born according to lore, they're little Crinos'.
Why on Earth anyone in that development team thought that bringing cousin-fucking back was a great idea is beyond me.

>>94819483
Yes but the American meaning of the word trumps everything because .... it just does, okay!

>Autumn 5
>lets you age people in seconds but they can never die and revert back to normal fairly quickly
>Chronos 5
>lets you age people in seconds, except they experience the several seconds as hundreds of years, can't do anything to stop it (without supernatural means) and you get aged permanently
Changeling moment

>>94819664
lol changelings aren't real lmao

>>94819664
YOU'RE BREAKING THE RULES *shits pants Gaianly*

>>94819669
yes, they are
I saw one
but he didn't recognize me :(

>>94819994
Maybe if you got more COVID injections, he'd feel your faerie mein call to him

Gimmie your red flags as an ST, here's a few of mine.
>Player wants to be a Lasombra in a Camarilla game
>Clearly wants to fuck their PC concept
>Wants to be on a Path of Enlightenment; character still behaves like they're on humanity except when they want to kill someone.
>Unironically says shit like "The Sabbat is clearly the better deal, you're way more free with them."
>Wants their sire to be a powerful elder but can't give a good justification as to why a powerful elder would embrace them.

>>94820074
Only the last one is an actual red flag. The rest are opinions, or contextually appropriate. You may be no fun.

>>94820074
>Clearly wants to fuck their PC concept

This happens every game

>>94820074
>Wants to be on a Path of Enlightenment; character still behaves like they're on humanity except when they want to kill someone.

Isn't that kind of the point?

>>94820103
"The path of what I was going to do anyway" should not be aspirational.

>>94820074
Anon you're just describing the typical /schreck/ character.

>>94820084
>.t guy who wants to play his 8th gen lasombra waifu on the path of night (she actually just behaves like a slut who kills people) in a camarilla neonates game.

>>94820074
Lasombra antitribu exist, though you should have Sabbat be determined to kill that fucking PC

>>94820166
A vampire game, of all things, does not need to be sexless.
Lasombra have always been part of the Camarilla
The Path of Chivalry is basically Bushido.

>>94818559
>>94818563

Both of those are really light on details is the problem. At beast they mention Blood deprivation, sunboarding, and fang removal. Kinda simple stuff.

>>94819483
Well I’m Canadian and went to school with many natives. They considered that word a slur. Especially since it’s a specific way to call children with mixed blood bastards.

> The whole "Metis is a problematic term" could've been easily solved by categorising Garou as "Homid-born, Lupus-born, or Crinos-born". That's how Metis are born according to lore, they're little Crinos'.
Could have went that way with W5, but those terms sure sound less cool

>>94820074
Here’s an easy one
>Player wants to play a child character

>>94820142
Which one?

>>94820293
On the Crinos point, has there ever been a description or picture of that birth? I suppose I figured the Crinos would be more-or-less full-sized, considering its spiritual nature, and that'd be a big part of the bloody horror.

>>94820337
There's an old Ron Spencer image of a mother showing a crinos baby to the father for inspection, but I don't have it on me.

>>94820210
It's not the idea, it's the execution.

Although in my experience I have never seen a good Lasombra PC.

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>>94820346
Thanks for the tip

>>94820376
Looking at the pic the birthing doesn’t sound that bad. I guess it’s raising a child who’s natural state is murder machine (and probably won’t be able to change into a less dangerous form until it’s teen years) is what’s really dangerous.

>>94820376
My abomination can't be this cute.

>>94820435
Agreed, reflects poorly on the werewolves that end up dying giving birth to it. The problem is that your evil toddler has a human's intellect and a werewolf's rage. It's probably much scarier to mortals than even normal dormant werewolves.

>>94818671
Otters and twinks (and twunks) can def overlap

I've been interested in figuring out the Garou Tribes most present in and around the Pyrenees.
>The Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers and Silent Striders are a given, since the first two are everywhere there's a city and the third are wanderers anyway.
>The CoGs are all across southern France; ditto for the Black Furies and the coasts of the Mediterannean
>The Fianna are mostly in the westernmost parts of the mountain chain, around Aquitaine and the Basque country
>The Shadow Lords theorically have the Pyrenees in their sphere of influence, thanks to their holdings in Spain
>The Silver Fangs of France (assumingly those of House Gleaming Eye) are in decline and mostly confined to the Massif Central, but I wouldn't put it past them to try to hold on to some manner of token presence in the Pyrenees
>Red Talons are worth mentioning, as the eastern Pyrenees once again host a very small but permanent wild wolf population since the early 2000s
>As for the servants of the Wyrm, France is described as a Pentex stronghold and the BSDs terrorize the entire country from underground tunnel systems
What do you think? When it comes to the Fera, I know there's canonically a Gurahl Caern of Wisdom in the Pyrenees, but I don't know about the rest.

>>94820133
That is literally the point of paths.

>>94820327
Pretty much all of them except it's shit like salubri or old clan instead of lasombra.

>>94820074
You're a huge fucking gay lol
The only one that's right is
>Wants their sire to be a powerful elder but can't give a good justification as to why a powerful elder would embrace them.
And that's because I agree that not powergaming is a huge red flag, which I don't think was your faggot intention.
>Clearly wants to fuck their PC concept
Way more people want to be their PC concept and get fucked than want to fuck their PC.

>>94820457
*infant intellect with a werewolf’s rage and augmented strength

Imagine trying to feed your baby its food and from one swing of their clawed hand while it’s pushing away the meal it makes you bleed. Things can only get worse from there.

>>94820594
I was asking because I play Shark lol

>>94820376
No obvious deformities is bad, right? Because they're deranged instead?

>>94820726
You jumped the shark badum-tiss when you got saved from a massive blood hunt by what felt like a deus ex machina.

Honestly though do whatever you think is fun, I just lost interest in posting because it feels like nobody is willing to have their OC lose, let alone die. So I can't get invested in stories where I know the protagonist is going to be fine in the long run and will probably get another power up from it.

>>94820376
>>94820435
>>94820457
>>94820726
Imagine a wacky scenario where three mages (a hermetic, an etherite and an euthanatos) find a metis baby that they have to take care of and raise. lol

>>94820726
Oh you're fine lol
Shark and Sark are the only really convincing pathfags in recent threads.

>>94820767
I think there's a big limitation of the format because people are trying to storytime, but by definition it's the protagonist telling you the story so you can never actually get a first hand account of
>let alone die

The issue was thrown into stark relief for me when I was storytiming shit myself, because it would be more or less OOC to ever mention anything if it still presented any kind of significant ongoing threat.

>>94820815
I don't think it's an execution issue but an intention issue. You can introduce another character, or set up a threat and then abruptly stop posting.

Sark almost pulled it off but then went back on committing to the kill, which would've been fine if a little disappointing if he had done it quicker rather than waiting for Christmas and ending it the way he did. I don't wanna shit on anyone's fun, that's why I'm bitching over here rather than there, but I just can't get invested in stories with a forgone conclusion.

>>94820074
>>Player wants to be a Lasombra in a Camarilla game
Actually sweety. They are a Camarilla clan now.
They decided being Ventrue's lapdogs is a good thing now
>>Unironically says shit like "The Sabbat is clearly the better deal, you're way more free with them."
Just a undeniable fact
>>Wants their sire to be a powerful elder but can't give a good justification as to why a powerful elder would embrace them
Torrie elder was in love with his twink thighs

>>94820767
Well, I wrote the Cat in because no one interacted physically with Shark lol. If something happened I wouldn’t have minded having him die or live. But with nothing happening, I didn’t feel like killing him off. Felt too much of a bummer. Though I don’t have anything better to write right now. I must admit that I am loosing interest too for now, since I got nothing to add. Kinda miss the Berlin arc (though it’s a bit natural to say since it was about my character).

>>94820815
Thanks a lot

>>94820376
Cute

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I have a problem - I promised my tremere player a session in Vienna, completely forgetting that Vienna by Night is only in german. I remember a year back or so some anon translated parts of it here (at least the characters). Has he compiled it somewhere, and if he had, where can I find it?

Thanks in advance. I could, of course, bullshit my way through and make some new characters, but since there is a somewhat official description I better read it.

>>94820887
>You can introduce another character, or set up a threat and then abruptly stop posting.
Except you can't, because
>it would be more or less OOC to ever mention anything if it still presented any kind of significant ongoing threat

>>94820814
The mother's pack would kill them.

>>94820930
As someone in those threads, I don't think anyone would want to just physically insert their character into someone else's story and dictate the outcome.

Also I fucking hated the Berlin thing. Not because of Red mind you, but because it was like 60% of every thread for a while and the entire incident was predicated on a pants on head retarded BJD plothook.

>>94820435
>>94820457
It was born with the deformity "puny".
>>94820751
That or you've birthed the perfect metis and the Apocalypse is just around the corner.

>>94821102
Yeah, courtesy of online rping is to not take agency of anyone else’s character

I can understand the sentiment.

>>94821168
>That or you've birthed the perfect metis and the Apocalypse is just around the corner.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure most werewolves wouldn't even notice a derangement 90% of the time.

>>94820887
>set up a threat and then abruptly stop posting.
Funny, I just did that with my char there

Famous last words: 'Don't worry, I'll be fine, I've got a plan.' he made a few more posts then got Baali'd

I hope people enjoyed BlowItAllOnRED, first time I really committed to playing a proper character on /schreck/. It can be a bit awkward asking for feedback about a char in there, but if anyone has tips for my next attempt, I'm all ears.

Are there any actual plays using the MtAw Proximi? I'm still unfamiliar with mage and seeing how you others play the game would be pretty helpful.

>>94820947
i only translated like 12 pages of it and it's most technocrats and nosferatu... i am sorry i was planning on translating the entire book, but i started a job/project that was meant to last till July last year but it is still ongoing and will probably lead into another project that will need most of my attention till presumably July this year so i don't really have time for it right now
here are the bits i translated so far
>https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-world-of-darkness-discussion-thread.914481/page-177#post-92596526
>https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-world-of-darkness-discussion-thread.914481/page-266#post-103243017
>https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-world-of-darkness-discussion-thread.914481/page-266#post-103335459

the short rundown of what you need for vienna: every cainite visitng the city (who is not a guest of the tröddler) is approached by a tremere ghoul at the earliest possiblity who tells them to state their buisness (which shouldn't be a problem if you have a tremere with you)
the city is run by a secret council of tremere and venture and recently 1 nosferatu which is however mostly for appearances and a true secret council of only tremere where the actual decisions are made
ventrue would really like the city back but their most powerful member Valerianus is etrius' best friend from before he(etrius) was even a vampire so they don't really have a leader and hope that good ol' Gustav is gonna help them out after he regains total control over berlin...
malkavian's are offically non existent since the last one in the city asked how long the camarilla is gonna let the tremere get away with all their their extra rights in the city, but one psycho is still hidden in the city, gangrel are only outside mostly and the rest of the clans are pretty normal

the prime chantry underground is shapeshifting so you can do whatever you want with it
and if you have any questions about the book feel free to ask

>>94821295
>which is however mostly for appearances and a true secret council of only tremere where the actual decisions are made
Immensely based.

>>94821192
Shit man I didn't pick up on that. I wasn't paying a ton of attention to blowitallonred, but I never saw anything egregious. Tbh even if you made an obnoxious OC the fact you want feedback/constructive criticism means you're doing fine.

>>94820074
Well, I'm one out of five red flags; Lasombras rule, Ventrues drool.
The Sabbat is a lot more fun to play than Camarilla, though, but I wouldn't call that... "freedom".
The rest of your red flags aren't real red flags; people are allowed to be new to the game.

>>94820337
Could've come up with three made-up names or something. But W5 doesn't have one single contribution to Werewolf's legacy, it's going straight into the trash when the inevitable next edition pops up.

>>94820594
>That is literally the point of paths.
If you're playing a character following a Path, in a personal horror game, your ST should be putting your character into situations that test their character's convictions instead of its conscience etc.
It's never supposed to be the Path of Doing What You Were Already Gonna Do Anyway.
Paths are not a cheat code to get out of the personal horror aspect of the game.
>Redflagfag is a huge fucking gay
That much is true.

>>94820814
Command a spiritual babysitter and that's basically it.

>>94820947
Google Translate and ask some German-speaking friends for clarification on some points.

>>94821342
>It's never supposed to be the Path of Doing What You Were Already Gonna Do Anyway.
That's always what it's going to be because you're picking a path that suits the character.
Which is inevitable because your character picks their own path.
It's an IC decision, you're literally picking the one that fits what you're going to do anyway.

It's hard to imagine many pathfags being stuck below 4-6, except for people who just pick paths with sins at 1 or 1 and 2 that you just can't fail who took it specifically to safely hover at 1/2 forever.

>>94821370
You can pick your Path but you don't choose which direction the ST takes the story, Anon.
If the ST isn't putting the character in situations where there is some moral dilemma for the character to solve even if they're following a path, your ST is fumbling the personal horror bag.
The same abstract dilemmas that work for Humanity work for Paths; doing the "right" thing according to your path is detrimental to your character's long-term or short-term goals. Doing the "right" thing according to your path will fuck over an ally; Doing the "right" thing according to your path will cause the BBEG to gain a major advantage/"win" etc.

>>94821322
Yeah, I was going for subtle with him towards the end where I only had him update on stuff that'd make some sense for him to report on or ask about, considering he was convinced the Baali were monitoring his posts. I'd thought about killing him off for a while.
Though being honest, I'd at first written a an entire autism blob that'd have taken like nine posts to completely dump. Then the next morning I looked at all that shit and went 'fuck it, time to kill my darlings, he died horribly'.

>>94821392
>You can pick your Path but you don't choose which direction the ST takes the story, Anon.
You can pick paths that have no moral dilemmas though.
>If the ST isn't putting the character in situations where there is some moral dilemma for the character to solve
You say this as if solving moral 'dilemmas' is hard when you have a clear understanding of your character's morals.
>your ST is fumbling the personal horror bag
Very few WoD lines are personal horror, and VtM certainly isn't one of them.

>The same abstract dilemmas that work for Humanity work for Paths; doing the "right" thing according to your path is detrimental to your character's long-term or short-term goals.
This literally never runs the risk of putting you at 0. Usually you try to get as low as you can safely so you don't pick up derangements and then just stay there.
>doing the "right" thing according to your path is detrimental to your character's long-term or short-term goals.
This is only a problem for VtM-with-supplements specifically and only for humanityfags who can't diablerize. Very very rarely is there ever an incentive to commit a humanity 1 sin and even when there is, there usually shouldn't be. It's pretty much always going to be contrived and non-immersive.

>>94821321
the secret true council is funny because it's has pure sitcom drama energy in the secret council you have: etrius, his wife, their -self proclaimed- adopted kid and the crazy politically incorrect uncle: Mendelssohn, schrekt's childe and leader of the questors who thinks that even etrius is too much camarilla and not enough tremere leaning politically and says shit like this

>"No, I consider the comparison with the Gestapo to be completely absurd. I am Jewish, sir, and the Holocaust of my people still brings bloody tears to my eyes every night when I think of it. Therefore, it is completely inappropriate to parrot this anarchist propaganda and compare me to a henchman of the inhuman Nazi regime. On the contrary, the Astors are a strictly secretive group, and we are accountable only to the Inner Council. You see, an organization of the vast scale of the House and Clan Tremere simply cannot afford spies and traitors within its own ranks. What do you mean by Inquisition? Just because there are no legal remedies or appeals in our trials, and because the defendant usually dies beforehand, we can hardly be compared to those followers of Leopold."
he later also says that he doesn't actually bother to report most stuff to the secret council because it's faster if he just judges and kills you himself

>>94821471
I wish CoG made a Tremere-centered game.

>>94820814
>Hermetic around any kind of baby
"This is a reagent"

>>94821524
I want to see them do:
>Tremere
>Nosferatu
>Hecata
>Shadow Lords
>Uktena

>>94821581
>Nosferatu
Could be cool.

okay uhm i wanted to translate more content from Vienna by Night because anon asked about it AND I happen to have a day off tomorrow so that's a sign. However, it turns out I already translated the introduction section (pages 5-7) back in July but never posted it. and now i am hesitant because I don’t want to seem like I’m spamming the thread.

>>94821581
>Hecata
Choose between being extremely inbreed, moderately inbreed, or being a samedi!

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>>94821420
>You can pick paths that have no moral dilemmas though
Really? Name one path that doesn't have a hierarchy of sins, then.

>You say this as if solving moral 'dilemmas' is hard when you have a clear understanding of your character's morals.
It's a game of incentives, Anon. All Paths are open to those dilemmas.
Some are harder to come up in-game at the lower levels like the Path of Night but they all have things that can be bartered with; Much like Humanity, your Path score in the end is just another token you can gamble with to gain some sort of advantage or do something you want to do with the character. And that's assuming there's no Metagaming involved.

>Usually you try to get as low as you can safely so you don't pick up derangements and then just stay there.
Humanity has a restriction where certain social rolls have your die pool capped by your Humanity rating score. I think Empathy is one of those, but I don't remember if there are more.
I don't remember from the top of my head here but aren't you missing out on some rule along those lines for Paths of Enlightenment?

>Very very rarely is there ever an incentive to commit a humanity 1 sin and even when there is, there usually shouldn't be
What is Frenzy, Anon?

>Very few WoD lines are personal horror, and VtM certainly isn't one of them.
Didn't knew I was talking to an authority in TTRPGs here! My bad, Anon. I wasn't aware you had omniscience over how every single VtM game session unfolded, or that your words are more important than what's written on the blood core book of the game.
Pic related.

>>94821471
Considering Etrius is Nordic, it's a miracle The Mua-Man didn't straight-up Destroy him or something because it's a terrible depiction of bla bla bla fascism bla bla bla.

>>94821739
>Mua-Man
Fuck, we can't use his name anymore?

>>94821739
Someday, I hope we hear Karim's opinion on Israel. Between his petit-bourgeousie politics and his Swedish Muslimness, I anticipate it could be something beyond any of our preconceptions of milquetoast absolute moderation.

>>94821739
the book in general is very -weird- about that: first it dedicated the books to the victims of the holocaust but the major jew character is a evil caricature and Himmler is mentioned again and has a childe in the city to spy on the tremere for sabbat good guy points so he can possibly join house goratrix

>>94821755
>Checked
I just thought Mua-Man was a fun nickname. Muammar, Muamman. Not particularly inventive.

>>94821772
I don't think he's Muslim, but then again, I don't know the guy.

>>94821791
I think Karim legit missed the fact that Etrius was originally called Ingvar.

>>94821800
>I think Karim legit missed the fact that Etrius was originally called Ingvar.
well he still killed him only meerlinda and tremere are alive both posing a goratrix for some reason

>>94821817
Well, then I legit missed the fact Karim killed Etrius too.

>>94821829
yeah in v5 the entire leadership of the tremere beside schrekt was somehow all present for the vienna attack

meerlinda being alive is a retcon in the later books

>>94821841
Nearly ten years into this edition and I still haven't heard ONE single piece of its Lore that wasn't utter shit. Truly remarkable.

Isn't Thaumaturgy a bit overpowered?

>>94821856
Setites are now the "Ministry".
They're basically americans now

did we ever in any of the books get a hint wtf Mr. Ox from vtmb was?

>>94821894
Yes, it is.

>>94821909
Not more seeing tits nor having ass mites.
This is a mature game for mature people.
Brand recognition? What's brand recognition?
Who cares about that.
Anyway, buy my Lasombra-themed bath bomb, Anon.

>>94821909
the best part of the ministry is that the warriors setites go full warcrimes on all setites who call themselves that

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>year of the snek in a couple weeks
Say something nice about the setites!

>>94821919
No confirmation, but probably some kind of yomi, considering the major role of the Ox Demon King from Journey to the West. He's either a Demon or Hsien mantling that role.

>>94821716
>What is Frenzy, Anon?
Not something that causes humanity 1 sins, retard.

I know you don't play and are just here to shitpost, so that's all the reply you'll get.

>>94821894
Solved problem: just make rituals cost xp.

>>94821960
The ministry should have at best remained as a small bloodline
The clan wasn't supposed to be unitedstatian

>>94821968
I'd rather be nice to snakes, and say the Setites use them in the least interesting way possible.

>>94821968
they have fun bloodlines in comparision to their main clan

>>94821997
Wiki Daitya best Daitya.

>>94821968
I like their gnostic religion

>>94821973
Absolutely something that can cause a Humanity 1 sin, retard.

I know you don't read the books and are just here to talk out of your ass, so that's all the reply you'll get.

Who's ready for M5 to lose all cultural and geographic connections for buzzwords?
>Hermetics are about CONTROL
>Dreamspeakers are about RESPECT
>Euthanatos are about DUTY

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>>94821968
>Snake
>Outside the cardboard box
Pic Related.

>>94822177
I don't think there's gonna be any further 5th Edition core books.
Maybe Wraith, since there's a VR video game about it.

>>94822194
I think it could go either way. If it happens, Mage would be most likely after Wraith. Paradox think they have a system where they don't have to invest anything into getting more books, so they may okay things as long as there's no anticipated trouble. Demon and Changeling definitely aren't happening. Mummy probably isn't happening, despite my desire and the clue in Blood Sigils.

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>>94822189
They are everywhere.

>>94822239
>Daitya v. Cybertheurgist Trimurti Jyhad

>>94822219
Considering how poorly W5 sold how poorly it's been received, and that there's been a recent change in direction there, I don't think that's gonna happen.
Considering who's in charge now, I'd say there's a bigger chance of a Dark Ages 5th Edition happening next than a Mage 5th Edition.
Which would be yet another mistake; The whole of 5th Edition needs to be taken to the back of the barn and introduced to Herr Hagelgevär.
Regardless, until Bloodlines 2 comes out, don't expect any news on that front.

>>94822219
I am not as pessimistic but I think that Paradox isn't going to be rushing to print anything else.
Both because W5 was a bit of a flop both in terms of sales and reception, and because let's be honest here. World of Darkness is basically "Vampire the Masquerade and all its increasingly less popular friends"

>>94822345
>2345
Paradox isn't known for continuing to support failing products. They're known for aggressive plug-pullings, as a matter of fact.
I don't see a sale of the IP because I don't think the World of Darkness is seen as a single product like Imperator: Rome, for example.
The World of Darkness comes packed with an entire ecosystem; when you buy anything from the series's back catalogue on the STV, Paradox gets a cut. When someone buys anything from CofD, Paradox gets a cut, and so forth. When someone buys anything Exalted, Paradox gets a cut etc.
So I wouldn't be surprised if internally the brand was seen as essentially their TTRPG/RPG Division in the same sense they have a GSG Division.
When Imperator: Rome underperformed they didn't stop making Grand Strategy Games, they just stopped supporting Imperator and moved on to Victoria 3 etc.
So what I think is gonna happen is that 5th edition as a whole is gonna be sunset as a product and something else will come in.
Like, think about it: Why would ANYONE that has any sort of minimal problem with V5 or W5 etc ever buy into any other product of the edition?
You fuck one of those game lines up, you fuck the entire edition, essentially.
I'm a huuuuuuuge Magefag and even Stewie Wieck came down from the Heavens and handed over the best Mage edition ever made for 5th edition, I'm not sure if I'd even arse myself with reading that damn thing out of how badly everything else in the World of Darkness has been treated by the edition.

>>94821909
Not too fond of the change to "The Ministry", but for some reason I really dig the French translation, "Le Sacerdose".

>>94814925
Hopefully I don't mix too much my own version with V5's new stuff:
- Similar to the Beckoning, nomad packs and Sabbat elders are moving around in the middle east and other part of the world to actually wage war agasint elders - if you ever wanted to actually play vampire shadow war, that's a cool set up.
- Byproduct of this, the superstructure that tied the balkanized packs broke down, or is breaking down, and the Sabbat is now made of smaller structures that don't tie together properly.
- System-wise, the Sabbat has now been made an NPC faction.
- Following that, as a way to simpllify things for DMs, V5 soft-changed some aspects of the sect: packs are now defined by a single common path, the vaulderie now "blurs" so to speak clans by homogenizing the heartblood of the members. I honestly think there's some potential here if willing to work with it.

>>94820564
>normandie not mentioned
meh

>>94822435
I mean, I think you're overestimating how much the average player cares about WoD as an overall system.

However, you are correct in that paradox (like most major companies) is very money oriented. Hell, you can see that in how the 5th edition of WoD is done. It's been farmed out to different companies for the most part. And since w5 didn't do great, they might be less motivated to find someone to write M5 for them.

I don't think paradox is likely to sell off the IP. There's enough key people at Paradox who seem to like the idea that they own WoD, and not enough of a demand to sell it.

I think the most likely scenario we're going to be looking at for an M5 book is that Paradox isn't likely to seek out a partner, but might accept pitches.

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What character concept that you want to play?
Talked about it on /schrekt/ already, but I’ll do it here too.

I want to play what I call the Banshee. Basically a really old and powerful daughter of cacophony from England/Ireland, almost mute and with a special curse. The curse is that she creates a form of minor blood bond whenever she feeds on the same person three times (per X time). Whenever one of those who she’s bonded to is about to die, or dies, she goes into a wailing state. Sort of like a frenzy.

>>94822576
>The curse is that she creates a form of minor blood bond whenever she feeds on the same person three times (per X time)
A bit like the daeva?

>>94822576
As far as Vampire goes, the character I am playing in /schreck/ is the tuned-up-to-eleven-because-there's-no-ST-to-tell-me-what-to-do version of the last Vampire character I played, in very abstract terms.

>>94822607
Just read the wiki, and a bit like that yeah. The idea is that back in the old country she would feed on a family line/clan. Which goes with the legend of banshees belonging to families and announcing one’s death, as well as mourning it.

>>94822710
I’m thankful for /schrekt/ for allowing us to do a little bit of WoD while we no-game

>>94821968
Weirdly enough, I like them for the same reason I dislike them. Their very existence put into doubts many things taken from granted within the setting, from the abrahamic mythos to the distinction between clan and sect. They're shit stirrers that stir shit for just being, what's not to love?
While I'm at it, since I've been experimenting with some rules in most recent sessions, among which, having a setite PC,I offered the player an alternative/additional bane of sort with the concept of "offering oneself to the blood": I will offer the player to take control of the character for up to a scene while /something/ ("The Will of Set") acts through it, in exchange for recovering Stains - the experience is traumatic, yet the vampire feels strangely elated in the aftermath. Not too satisfied so far, but it's better than nothing, I guess... I somewhat resented how V5 introduced that theme of elders talking though the blood - complete with a fluff example - yet no rules to make it happen.

>>94819429
>>94819483
>>94819631
>>94820293
Metis is also a word referred to a shapeshifting Goddess from greek mythos.
In Rage Across the World relased in early 2000s, they already stated that Metis (garou breed) and Metis (slur) are different words.
Funny enough, I think lots of people around the world only now know about "Metis as a slur" because of the Metis removal from the books. Nobody gave a shit about it and the only people who complained about this who were actually from that ethinical background are like... A bunch of people you can count of your fingers.
Really: People in Europe see "metis" as a just another word for "mixed breed" because that's what it means.

>>94819620
"Metis" is more of a general term. If we would translate for portuguese, it's literaly "mestiço".
I thank everyday PTBR translation for the marvelous localization and put "Impuro" instead because Brazil is a "metis" country. It wouldn't make any sense. "Impuro" is way better because it still denotes the whole stigma towards this breed, and denotes it in a way more explicit manner.
In fact, if they wanted to solve this issue, just rename it to "Impuro" and call it a day.

>>94820564
According to France by Night, Pyrenees there's a Caern protected by Gurahl and it's kinda of a secret, and they have ties with ecoterrorists groups. A pack of Silent Striders went there in an attempt to talk to them, but they disappeared.
If you know french, go read this book. It's filled with info of Werewolf, not just vampire.
It's quite complete: Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Wraith and Changeling.

>>94822525
>V5 soft-changed some aspects of the sect:
It's quite a hard change tbf

>>94822748
Setites used to be my favourite clan for a while

>>94821968
I like how they associate horoscope to each clan.

>>94822782
My bad. Sorry mind wandered, used "soft-change" as I would have used "soft-reboot". I probably wasn't clear: It's one hell of a change, but it wasn't brought as a complete transformation *within* setting. It's as if things had always been like this (which obvioulsy raises terrible questions).

>>94822794
As much as I've a metric shit tonne of grievances against the clan, they can be very fun/interesting in the hands of the right player.

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>>94822735
My character on /schreck/ isn't something that'd work on most chronicles as a PC, and as an NPC you don't get to explore certain concepts in depth so it's yet another character with a long-ass backstory that only lives in the ST's head.
I've never been one for MUSH and the likes of it but I've been enjoying /schreck/ quite a lot since I started it some weeks ago.

>>94822576
Gonna ask some questions here not as criticism of the character, but to try and work as a Wall you can bounce ideas off here.

>The curse is that she creates a form of minor blood bond whenever she feeds on the same person three times (per X time).
Why would Mortal blood lead a Vampire to develop a blood bond with them?

>Whenever one of those who she’s bonded to is about to die, or dies, she goes into a wailing state.
How does such a bond work even when far away from someone she's bonded to?
Does that happen if she's blood bonded through regular means to a Vampire?
And, now on the funny side, do you realise this can be used to create faster-than-light communication?
Each bonded Banshee is a byte of information.
You align the Banshees in order in one place and align the people the Banshees are bonded to in another place, far away. Then you kill bonded people in a manner to produce a byte code that can be instantly read across the globe via which Banshee in which position in the order is frenzying.
Such a mechanism seems stupid, but it also fits thematically with a screaming Banshee.
Now let's get serious again.

>Sort of like a frenzy.
Why not a proper Frenzy? The Beast is inherently tied to the Vampiric condition.

>>94822837
Sure

>Why would Mortal blood lead a Vampire to develop a blood bond with them?
Well, the concept comes from banshees being tied to families. The original take I had in mind was linking the curse to the her herd, but I thought that it would be weird to play. Plus it’d suck because you have to invest in the herd background, and it only comes into play when you’re about to permanently lose the investment.

>How does such a bond work even when far away from someone she's bonded to?
It’s a curse! It is fate! Though back in England she would haunt a single hamlet/village. So it’s not like it’s been explored before.

>And, now on the funny side, do you realise this can be used to create faster-than-light communication?
Why have no Giovanni made a computer out of skeletons lol

>Why not a proper Frenzy? The Beast is inherently tied to the Vampiric condition.
Well, I wanted to be tied to sadness and crying instead of bloodthirsty rage. Plus it’s more of a curse than something tied to the vampiric condition.

>>94822754
>Impuro
The problem with Impure as a term for Metis is that you can have an Impure with Pure Breed 5.
It just makes no sense. You're a Pure Impure.
I know you said you like the term, but Impure as a translation for Metis was another one of Devir's fuckups.

>Metis
It'd be tremendously funny if Devir had kept Metis as the term, though.
For the Anglos who are probably making big confused Psyduck faces reading this, allow me to explain why:
"Métis" in Portuguese is a corruption of the word "meter," "to put it in". It is often used in the hanky-panky sense of putting it in.

>>94823081
>It just makes no sense. You're a Pure Impure.
The breed is impure but the blood isn''t. You can be weird like that. even if don't want to use that word you can just call them Stillborn, or Natimorto if you want to use another language, as an insult.

>>94823081
Pure Breed for the name of the background is already weird when Legacy works much better. Impure with Legacy 5 fixes that.