Previous: >>94797488>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:What do you enjoy the most about playing a Boros deck?
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Boros is aids
>>94804222>getting pressed by one of the weaker and most vanilla color combinations around
>>94804195What are anons opinions on /predh/?
https://moxfield.com/decks/oDMCkoIEEU2ALDl1yX0P2gwana run intagible anus, but i am not sure what white card to cut...boros is hard bro's
>>94804238Commanders and decks feel a lot more open-ended, for better or worse. Pre-Commander (or really just older cards in general, not directly a Commander thing) designs were mostly cards designed to be standalones with limited amounts of direct synergy, so decks more frequently (not always) end up feeling like similar goodstuff piles that only diverge at their payoff. Does not help closed format = solved format.
>>94804195>TQDealing 40 damage to face on turn 3 because I always open double Mox, Lotus Petal, soi ring, mana vault, land, then proceed to topdeck everything I need.
>friend knows i like enchantments>buys me the SL with Estrid/Tuvasa ini kinda find voltron a bit boring and have no idea how to build estrid. I get that you want to enchant your lands, then +2 her to untap them for big mana but likedo you just play it as a hard control deck so people cant attack into your planeswalker for free or should you be playing dorks and enchanting them so they can block, or rely on pillowfort or what
>tq Tearing it apart and turning it into a jund deck and an abzan deck
>>94804195>>TQ:>What do you enjoy the most about playing a Boros deck?I have 3 decks and my Otharri deck is the most aggro by far. I love getting extra value off my rebels with warleaders call and terror of the peaks, getting double kills is so satisfying.>>94804388>friend knows i like enchantments>buys me the SL with Estrid/Tuvasa inThat was nice of him anon :) but yeah that is puzzling, Estrid doesn't seem to have a super clear win con on her own. Tbf there's so many great enchantment cards rn goodstuff bant pile with big mana off of enchanted lands to cast big bombs like the overlords and virtues would probably work good. Plus don't forget there's all the role cards now for your creatures
Is this little shit going to get banned in the other formats any time soon? Would like one but I'm not going to drop $30 on it if it's about to drop>t. other format ignorer
>>94804623No why would it you retarded edhonly
>>94804471>he did the thing where you see an extremely powerful commander and ignore all the text but tribalClassic anonymous.>>94804623Lolno. Not only will it not be banned, it's an essential form of interaction for a lot of decks.
post irl decks
>>94804656My cards that I bought before christmas are lost in the mail. I'm not really motivated to be honest with you anon.
>>94804653Are you retarded? The rebels are made when the commander attacks and he's saying he likes impact tremor-esque cards to get additional value of them, not just free tokens.>he did that thing where he acted retarded and intentionally misread a post because he wanted to tear someone else down
>>94804681Remains to be seen. Pretty defensive there anon, relax. I didnt even say anything personally insulting.
Do any anons have a Magar deck? I keep wanting to build him but I'm concerned that he's going to be too high power
>>94804671God bless Canada Post.
>>94804691Nailed it. They called me to say it's lost, but they have till the 29th to find it before I can get a refund. I ordered them with the intention of having them before a tournament on the 6th. It's unlikely I'll get them before the next tournament in feb. I had such spicy new tech to show these fucks, borne upon a wind is absurdly powerful, and I was testing null rod in urza to much success.
>>94804195>TQthe big buff angels
>>94804305regular EDH is already a solved format, but the community enforces a segregation between the people willing to use the solution and those who don't
>>94804721Could be worse. I work remotely as a contractor for a company in New Mexico, and they pay all my invoices by check. Something like $16,000 USD being held hostage by this debacle.
>>94804687You would have to be talking about me in order for it to be defensive. I'm simply calling out a dishonest poster>no rude hehePeople can read between the lines and see your statement was very clearly intended to be derisive anon you aren't fooling anyone>remains to be seenNo its quite literally explicitly stated >warleaders call>terror of the peaksHes quite clearly focusing on the ETB aspect and not the tribal aspect
>>94804691>>94804721Sucks to suck negros aha. I ordered from F2F on the 26th and Fusiongaming on the 26th as well and received both my orders on the 3rd and 6th
>>94804721Giving things that shouldn't have flash flash seems interesting. I'm trying to slot this into a deck to see how it performs.
>>94804748Jesus wept. At least the cheque is probably insured and you could always get the money wired to you, I hope. None the less, I'll pray for you.>>94804762Yeah yeah rub it in. What did you order?>>94804773Savage summoning isnt great. Borne is top notch because it's an expensive cantrip at worst, and it gives everything flash until the end of turn, so you can always use sorcery speed removal or. Savage summoning is just quicken with cant be countered and +1/+1 text instead of drawing a card. You can always use cavern of souls to make your creatures uncounterable in a pinch.
>>94804656Wanted to play hatebears for a while, wanted a low to the ground, aggressive deck for a while and wanted a Naya deck that didn't play with tokens or +1/+1 counters for a while. Still waiting for a few cards for the desired list to arrive but I got my first couple of games in with this deck last night and it did the thing in the first game, and was archenemy from turn 2 in the second game and took out all other players.
>>94804800All the cards I needed for my Gollum, Lobelia, Calamity and Gargos decks I've posted the lists a few times before
>>94804826Neat, well I'm jealous but happy for you none the less.
>>94804471i was thinking i'd go for a win based around Enchanted Evening since the Seb version is my favourite magic art ever. So maybe the calming verse combo to wipe the entire board. Was thinking like obviously land enchants so my lands tap for more mana, then play sort of like an instant speed gameplan like a flash deck? Counters/Removal and then flash stuff in. I'm just not sure how i get a board state where estrid doesnt just immediately eat shit
Well well, would you look at that. It turns out Generous Gift does see play in cedh. Tournament winning cedh decks even.
>>94804903
>>94804903This deck has one entry and it did not win. Generous gift is not a cedh card anon
>>94804910
>>94804910This isnt a cedh deck lmao>36 lands>no fast mana hardly any rocks at all really
>>94804920
>>94804903Anon, hate to break it to you, but that deck was in the 9-16th bracket, and literally any tournament can be posted on that website, regardless of quality. At a glance there's something funky going on with the commanders in that tournament, and it doesnt appear to be indicative of the meta as a whole.
>>94804926>Noooo that doesn't count because I said soCope
>ghyrson Starn is $20 nowJesus Christ, why?
>>94804936It doesnt count because its visibly not a cedh deck. The only one that counts is the Sisay list and I guarantee you Sisay isn't winning because of gift lmao she's winning cause she's the strongest cedh deck
>>94804910>>94804921>>94804903These are not cedh decks and a major reason I dont trust that website.>>94804927This one is, but from a small tournament in august.
>>94804939people like plying him and he's never getting a reprint
>>94804195>tqBoros Charm, Deflecting Palm, and (recently) Take the Bait.
>>94804939Very popular commander, 40k decks are getting rarer and rarer in the wild now and highly unlikely to be reprinted.
>>94804650>>94804653>why would itI dunno man is it likely to get reprinted then? I'll feel like a real dumbass if there's a pricedrop soonish for any reason
>>94804944So the strongest cedh deck runs Generous Gift? That IS what you just said, correct? Really think on that for a moment.>>94804949Is there a better source?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94805077Based. Punish all pain land enjoyers
>>94804742>EDH is a solved formatThe fact that new cards enter the ecosystem regularly contradicts that statement you stupid hipster.Take your faggot meme format and go play with the Oathbreaker losers.
>>94804939>brain dead commander>brain dead color pairing >under costed>rest of deck can be filled with budget cards that lets it punch way above its weight>40kshit>will have no reprints or universes within for at least 5 years if everThe surprising thing is that the price is so low.
>>94805077>>94805130>NeW tReAd QuEsTiOn!!!!!Thoughts on Pauper EDH and will we ever see LGS adoption of this format or will it make them go bankrupt?
>>94805053No. The online discourse about cedh is extremely low because the vast majority of people who post about it do not know what they're talking about due to inbred metas and poor available resources online. Your only hope is trusting people who actually play, but discerning that can be very difficult. People might play generous gift, I personally wouldnt for the same reasons I dont play rapid hybridization, ravenform and pongify in my deck, but your milage my vary. Even swan song is tenuous.
>>94805053Its more the strongest deck can get away with running Generous Gift anon :) you could throw a Kaerveks Spite in a Sisay list and it will still win. Anon you had to go back 5 months to find a single win in a small tournament on the best card in the format which I would put my life savings wasnt even cast. Now be intellectually honest and look at the vast majority of winners that include white and lets see how often it pops up
Generous Gift is a good card.
>>94804742>edh is a solved formatLolno. Step up your game senpai.
>>94805200Unless you are in a meta where you regularly need to be blowing up lands then nah, it's been power crept
>>94805147I built this as pauper and no one likes playing against it.
>>94805200Sure. If you're on a budget, in a mid powered meta, and are playing a colour that doesnt have access to better tools.
>>94805200It's a good card unless you're playing in a <4 turn meta. So for 99% of games you'll find int he wild it's good.
>>94805147I think we should have....TIERSPauper is tiers but without actually considering what should be in which tier
>>94804742Agree to disagree there.
>>94805181>The online discourse about cedh is extremely low becausecedh retards are fucking retarded, trying to force the one non-competitive friendly format in a game with a dozen sweaty hyper competitive formats to be another sweaty competitive format because they're too stupid to go play those other formats. If you're a cedhtard your opinion about anything in commander is irrelevant because you are fundamentally the dumbest person in the room and you don't get what's going on.
>>94805147Pauper edh is bad m'kay? Regular pauper is much better.
>>94805258Sure thing anon, I'll skip to the end and ignore your little tantrum.
>>94804773Ive started running Vedelkan Orrey and Emergence Zone in every deck I have. Flash is incredibly useful in most decks
>>94804910> 36 lands> angel tribal> doesnt even run senseis top or sylban libraryKekkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
>>94805280Oh I'm screenshotting this post. I hope you delete it.
>>94805200Yes, most of us know this
>>94805293>>94805219>>94805200Actual retards. Have fun tapping out to give me a free creature.
>energy fags are getting a THIRD preconIt hasn’t even been a full year since the first one released. Was this really necessary?
>power creeps gift in your pathExile is better. And field of ruin cards are better for lands
>>94805309I love Excise, such a good card. This is also very good.
>>94805258>trying to force the one non-competitive friendly format in a game with a dozen sweaty hyper competitive formats to be another sweaty competitive format because they're too stupid to go play those other formatsIt's not that they're too stupid, it's one or both of two things:1. They can't make it in those competitive formats so they resort to preying on casuals to get their rocks off.2. They have literally nothing else going on in their lives, no achievements, no real career prospects (even if they are employed) and very little social life. Being "good" at a card game is all they have. It's much the same with speedrunners. They are not happy well-adjusted people. They're miserable and obsessive.
Why don't more people run this in Commander?99.9% of Commander decks run boots and this makes them useless for B
>>94805309>>94805322>they're still exiling in whiteAnons...I...>b-b-ut if they blow it up it comes back! More than worth it to deprive them of their Commander until they have enchant removal
>>94805339This doesn't see play in cEDH. It is bad because.
>>94805338>1 card out of 99 to deal with their 1 card out of 99It's dead in like, 70% of the game it does show up in.
>>94805338>doesn't see play in cEDHSorry anon, that's a bad card.
>>94805338I literally do run it in my Eriette deck and while it's not really a DEAD card you'd be surprised how often it whiffs just because shit is moving around on the board. >they re-equip>someone else destroyed the threat before you even got a chance to play this>just didn't have it in hand when it would have been most useful>they make it indestructibleMy Eriette deck survives by absolutely crippling my opponents strategies, so I run shit like this just in case, but it's not an auto-include in literally anything else
>>94805304They are hard stuck at power 7GG is "good" when you have a power 7 deck against a bunch of 6s
>>94805339Why would i want this when I can just remove problem permanents. Board wipes are for shitty players 90% of the time
>>94805362>Board wipes are for shitty players 90% of the timeOhohohoho
>>94805338Cause its too slow and too specific
>>94805356That is fair.I was looking for artifact destruction in a mono black deck and this ended up being the only thing i could find.I know it doesn't destroy the artifact itself but making it useless or forcing someone to remove it felt like an acceptable alternative.
>>94805325Nope. Dont be silly, people can like different things.
>>94805362>wipes are for shitty players 90% of the timeHow to tell someone you're ass at the game, without explicitly saying you're ass at the game...Though, to anyone good at it, saying this IS explicitly saying you're bad at the game.
>>94805362Easy to say untill your facing 3487 goblins. You are pure retardation anon
>>94805130New cards will only introduce new solutions, not unsolve the format.
This must be some modern reject who can't escape those gameplay patterns.
>>94805373Yeah you're just gonna want creature removal in that case bud.But here, if hexproof from Swiftfoot is your problem you need to be running pic related.
>>94805276>appealing to some stupid definition on some obscure websiteGenuine actual autism lmao I can smell you from here
>>94805304Id rather they have a 3/3 then a Nykthos, Shrine To Nyx dipshit
>>94805451I didn't even realize stuff like this existed.I guess I'll have to start looking at new sets more.Thank you.
>>94805304>you gave me 3/3 in exchange for my Cabal Coffers, making me the victor!
>>94805461>>94805467Nykthos and Coffers don't even see play in cEDH.
>>94805464Oh buddy I can give you even more. Hold on, here's an artifact that used to be very popular for removing hexproof, and I have a land for it too, I'll post next.
>>94805464>>94805493Do you know how to use Scryfall? It'll help a lot to find the effects you want
>>94805456That's the commander format philosophy on the official website you dork.
Aristrocrats is the second best midpower theme after Landfall, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>94805505>the corporate website written by AI mentioned the word competition that can vaguely be related to a wholly other independent sentence that describes the format first and foremost as Social therefore cedh tryhard sweatlording is perfectly acceptable and should be the default of every player Again, take a shower, reexamine your autism, and fuck off to a real format you coward.
>>94805486K'rrik and Selvala cEDH decks play nykthos though
>Get friend into EDH>He spends thousands and only uses the most overpowered near cEDH bullshit possible>Complains when no one wants him in their podHe's kind of helped the store get better though since they used to think combos were cheap before his bullshit came through.
>>94805525Not my problem and it will not be discussed further. Go for a walk or pet a dog or something. You need to relax
>>94805546What deck does he play and what do you play? I can give you spicy tech to help fight him.
>>94805524I love Aristocrats.>>94805546>used to think combos were cheapInfinite combos or just combos in general?
>>94805535Dont bother they just want a argument
>>94805564Name the top 3/4 most overpowered precon's and then upgrade them by 300 bucks each.That is his M.O. since he can't make decks for shit.
>>94805566>Getting stomped by huge creaturesOK>Getting stomped by infectOK>Getting stomped by controlOK>Getting stomped by infinite comboTHIS IS HORSESHIT THIS ISN'T REAL MAGIC WHY DON'T YOU GET A LIFE HUH THATS A CHEAP WIN YOU SUCKInfinite combo hate is for dorks. You can sneeze and accidentally do an infinite combo in this format.
>>94805576That's a pretty low bar anon. An average power deck should be able to slap them six ways to sunday, especially if he isnt brewing something specific.
>>94805373Just turn it into a creature and use creature removal.
>>94805591>Take Slivers/Eldrazi/Chatterfang Precon>Spend 400 bucks upgrading them>An average power deck can slap them six ways to sundayk
>>94805546Have you tried talking to your friend and explaining that their decks are so powerful non-cEDH people don't want to play against it?>Get friend into EDH>Blings out an eldrazi deck with every single eldrazi staple>The titans, Ugin's cockring lands, everything and whatnot>Since most of us have slowly brought up our favourite decks to high-power and have a decent enough grasp on removal and threat assessment, we manage>Friend is also a bit of a goofball and tends to make a memorable funny play if the opportunity appearsYou're free to play the banned Emrakul, D. If it does turn out to be a problem somehow (which would be more of a testament to us being bad), I'll conveniëntly find out it's banned at the end of a gamenight. You're a fun guy and I'm glad to have you at the table.
>>94805589>You can sneeze and accidentally do an infinite combo in this format.I've had so many accidental combos and infinite combos in my decks just from playing dumb pet cards and other weird shit.>Infinite combo hate is for dorks.I tend to agree, I'm just curious what that anon meant.My only problem with infinite combos is if you tutor for the same ones every game and every game with that deck plays exactly the same with the same cards. Because that's just fucking boring. This is a singleton format, I want to see some variation in the cards and the way a deck plays even if the overall strategy is the same.
>>94805614Yes? This is hardly controversial. $300-$400 isnt very much money to spend on upgrades. A set of fetches and shocks for 5c is about $300 for the cheapest printings.
Underrated card?There are a few black cards that do the asymmetric -1/-1, but this one seems decent cause it gives a body too or can come in with haste and draw you a card.Im going to run this in Burakos
>>94805621I agree about tutors making infinite combo wins kind of boring.I'm kind of self-nerfing my own goblin deck because it's too easy to pull a goblin tutor to get goblin recruiter and set up an easy to see coming infinite combo but infinite nonetheless.So I'll just tutor for something fun or that interacts more with the current boardstate.
>>94805652Or, you know, play against stronger people.
>>94805497Honestly no. I use an app on my phone and just punch in keywords.
>>94805655Honestly it's kind of fun, people talk about power levels all the time but I just nerf my plays if the power level is so over the pods decks. If not I'm balls to the wall.
>>94805664Learn Scryfall, friend.
>>94805364>>94805401>bad players who think they're good because they hit reset 5 times a match>>94805428>removes the token creators>never has to board wipe because I can analyze cards and tell which ones need to be removed
>>94805525>make up something you don't feel you have to argue against so you can run away from a discussion>calling anyone else autistic or accusing them of cowardiceThe irony is surely lost on you and that's okay :)
>>94805576>>94805546>get completely dominated by your friends decks>uh he can't build at all though!You kinda just told on yourself here buddy lmao
>>94805655I like my friends, though. And, if you’re gradual about it, you can make them into stronger players over time.
>>94804195>TQI am making a boros deck solely around equipment with the sole goal being to cheat out colossal hammer on my commander asap, give him doublestrike and smack someone before they can stop it.
My friend and I got into EDH at the same time. I liked budget builds and old jank. He liked powerful new cards. We played together all the time with no problems because it was fun. Until his GF started playing I quit at that point but only cause I hate her guts I didn't care about the power levels
>>94805988Okay.
>>94805999Just offering up a different voice to all the whiny faggots who like winning more than they like their friends
>TQ: What do you enjoy the most about playing a Boros deck?That it has the best color in it.Red.
Most of the 60 and 100 card decks I've built that care about equipment have generally been red+white so it was fun to do a bant one instead. How's our first draft lookinghttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6852293#paper
>>94804656Slop
>>9480616143 lands feels like a lot for the average mana cost of the deck.
>>94806170do you use that mat outside your home?
>>94806170Gross.>>94806161Welcome back shitter. Dramatically better than the last list you posted. Not particularly strong or fast, you have 7 lands too many, your fixing is meh, and you picked a weaker archetype that you might not find fun. Rafiq is usually easier for these sorts of decks. Great improvement none the less.
>>94804939>>94804961>>94804967>>94805145By that logic Greyfax should be worth more than $0.36.
>>94806221He's not good, interesting, or fun.
>>94806221>what is demand
>>94806233>a miserable little pile of market forces!
>>94806238Hilarious, but depressing.
>>94806231>He's not good, interesting, or fun.What makes it not good? How is consistently tapping down the biggest threat an opponent controls, OR keeping the table in suspense on what I will tap not fun?
>>94804195>What do you enjoy the most about playing a Boros deck?Nothing yet, Still new to the hobby and Red and White are the colours that have caught my eye the least.I'm sure there will be something eventually though.
>>94806253Anon if it was good and fun there would be demand and given it's limited supply it would be more expensive just like Ghyrson. Nothing about this is confusing why are you being retarded >but i find it funOkay good for you the market (the collective group of magic players who buy and play commander) does not
>>94806238>NOOOOO whate do you mean you "just use PROXIES"?>you absolutely HAVE TO make a businessperson richer BEFORE playing or i won't play with you!>ITS FOR THE HEALF OF THE GAYME NOOOOOOO
>>948062534 mana and having to pay and tap for it is a horrible rate, regardless of investigating, and especially in 3 colours. And combat-centric abilities that only target one player are bad. It doesnt even tap permenants. Like compare it to Zur.
>>94806267Get your shit together, it was a funny joke.
>>94806306I don't think he understood the reference
>>94806267my man's fuming whenever someone ever so slightly references spending money on his hobby
>>94806221>powercreeps this dogshitmander in your path
Question: What makes the 1st paragraph effective? Like how does it stifle my opponents plans?
>>94806361Your opponent can't use mana rocks to play a six drop on turn 4. They can play two 3-drops on turn 4 and that's not great, but it keeps them from doing the worst of the horseshit.
>>94806378*unless it’s a creature
>>94806361travinnya hoses anyone trying to ramp with artifacts, dorks, or rituals
>>94804656
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>>94806390>>94806378So its a dead card mid to late game?
>>94806506He was talking about mid-to-lategame
>>94806534If turn 4 is midgame, then what is lategame?
I love red. Red is my job. I learned the game slow, and now, I know it by heart!Please don't throw me away.What mono red deck should I make next, I have:>Goblins>Zada Combo>Ojer Axonil Burn
>>94806552Turn 3 is midgameTurn 4 is lategame
>>94806498What kind of dick ass stax bullshit is this?
>>94806579Malfegor
>>94806584It's not even really a stax deck wither, just discard aggro.
>>94805486>in cedhCedh is a shit format for losers that can't hack it in legacy or vintage so it doesn't matter
>>94806571>Turn 3 is midgame>Turn 4 is lategameWhat kind of meta do you play in?My games take min 45+ mins as its low power level upgraded precon tier decks.
>>94806596He's taking the piss anon.>>94806593>replying to a 3 hour old post with a shitpostClassic anonymous.
>>94806593cEDH isn't even a different format, it's just the highest power level meta that exists for EDH.
>>94806593You seem to have added a C to the start of your post by mistake
>>94806468>OG ChainerNice.
>>94804238Love predh, simple as
Any ideas for a sac creatures gameplan that does not devolve into aristocrats? Henzie or fling comes to mind, but ideally I would use Clavileno as the commander with a Vampire focus because I simply think this commander is neat.
>>94806654>Want to play aristocrats>Doesn't want to play aristocratsMake up your mind
>>94806654do Pod and upgrade your creatures step by step
>>94806693I want to focus on larger investment and payoff sacrificial plays that aren't just pinging a bunch of tokens to deal a bunch of instances of 1 damage to opponents.>>94806697That is an interesting idea
>>94806720Good luck, that doesnt really exist. There are two types of sacrifice decks: combo and noncombo. While certain elements might over lap between the two, the difference is the payoff. One wins the game, the other generates value.
>>94806693>>94806735>theres only one way to play sacrifice which is muhristocrats>anything other doesnt really exist!>except it actually does exist so let me elaborate: next time, just use your fingers to pick your nose or something
>>94806755Not everyone is the same person, salty anon. Both combo and noncombo sacrifice decks are considered aristocrats decks. There just isnt a third layer of sacrificing big things to do lots of stuff, like malefagor, because investing a large amount of mana in something you're planning on sacrificing is silly if it doesnt win the game.
>honor among thieves secret lair cards reskinned as new original characters for local store event participation rewardsNeat.
>>94806637He's based. It's so hard to resist comboing the turn he hits though...
>>94806654You have white so you could use general buff enchantments to make vampires more useful before they die the first timeEdgar, Charmed Groom would make a 4/3 demon AND his coffin which would be funny if not super effective on its own
>>94806766My Clavileno deck works more like a borsos token deck except trading with my creatures just gives me a new one and a cardYou don't have to build your deck correctly if playing at lower power.You could build a pod deck of overcoated creatures just because now you have a way to actually play them.
>>94806857Wish they made the Aura Paladin a cooler design, but I think it is good they are making more Universe Within cards especially for expensive Secret Lairs
>>94806930>UWSince when was waterdeep a first party part of mtg's cosmology?
>>94806930This is still D&D, so it's pseudo-UB.
>>94806905That's still an aristocrats deck, at least as far as I'm aware, but I appreciate the sentiment. My yawgmoth deck is more of a control deck with like pox and smoke stack using recursive dudes to pay the costs.
>>94806857Cool cards. Too bad Rashel has gross art.
>>94806857Great now Universes Within all Secret Lairs and stop printing Universes Beyond.
>>94804757Was anything really going to come from the two guilds going at it?
>>94806930These aren’t Universes Within, though.
>>94804195>TQIt just fits me. The thought of playing Dimir simply does not compute and because I mostly play Boros or Gruul I guess I like strong, aggressive creatures and simple effects.I dislike that it's very much the equipment colours though, I manage just fine with only 2 in my Gisela deck.
>>94806857Cool. Was hoping to finally see these get that treatment. Those fist hammers look kind of stupid but I've been wanting the exalted guy and she hopefully will be easier to get. Participation rewards? Like buy a box promotion?
>>94807122the fist hammers are my favorite part of it, looks dumb as hell
>>94807125>anon why does your commander have hammers with buttholes on them?
>>94807125I thought it was shitty AI hammers until I realized it was Fists for Torm
>TQSexy angels.
>>94804195>tqI don't
>>94807175Shutting down your own instant pump spells sounds retarded
>>94804195>What do you enjoy the most about playing a Boros deck?when it's mardu
>>94807194She's not a good card but I want to lick her tummy.
>>94807122>Participation rewards? Like buy a box promotion?https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/earn-d-and-d-themed-promo-cards-with-magic-presents-spring-flourishes>"Roll for initiative and into your local game store with Magic Presents: Spring Flourishes! From April 25 to May 25, participating local game stores will be hosting special Draft events. The exact events will vary from store to store, but all of them promise exciting Limited gameplay for a limited time.">"To help celebrate this gathering for Magic: The Gathering, players who participate in one of these events will receive a non-foil borderless card featuring a new version of one of the legendary creatures from the Secret Lair x Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves drop while supplies last."Guessing requirement to earn these are playing some limited Draft format. Personally I'm more hoping for some chaos draft.
is he one of the less super durdly Izzet commanders? i cant decide between him, Red Death, Shipwrecker, and good old Tibor and Lumia
>>94805280>running sylvan library in monowhite
>>94807350This is a cool design, but it seems like it would need to be a lot cheaper in order to be worth casting.
>>94804656I'll update this pic later, but the only change is I put in Detective's Satchel instead of The Master, Multiplied (I found he was both more costly than I wanted and I rarely care if I keep the Warforms. Same reason I cut Sundial of the Infinite)
>>94807418i like commanders that activate my nogging like that and make me think and plan out my next steps. i feel like a well copied fat X-Spell would be suffiecient to end games
>>94807350That untap ability goes infinite easy as piss
>>94807426>detective's satchel>poetic ingenuity>chromatic lantern>rms titanic>legion extruder>oni cult anvil>witch's oven>glittering stockpile>ashad the lone cyberman>chaos warp>etherium astrolabevs>Fable>Gemstone>Ancient tomb>less than 33 lands>blue urza>demonic tutor>free counterspells>the one ring>multiple moxen>urza's saga>simulacum synthesizer>goblin welder>celebrant mirror combo>gonti's heart>pyroblast>shenanigans torque land hate comboIs this deck cedh or a fucking meme? it jumps back and forth between powerful cards and completely unplayable shit
>>94807498how? it seems kind of convoluted to go infinite since you need to keep cloning/flickering/bouncing him
Fix EDH by making ONE rule. No limits.Mine:>Combos cannot go infinite. They can proc 20 (twenty) times at most
>>94807523shit rulemine>keep current banlist>only expand it from here if neededthere i fixed it (it wasnt broken)
>>94807523Anon you just made every meta nondeterministic hell because you were too stupid to run combo hate.>If anyone complains about anything during the game, the table can yell "shenanagains" and the complainer needs to buy everyone pizza
What's some snazzy cards for pic related?I've gotten the initial 100+ for Alesha. I'm brewing it up with a few hatebears. Lose-half-your-life creatures (excluding Master of Cruelties). I hate the you-gain-1-everyone-lose-1 things so no Zulaport and all that.
>>94807511Why would a dogfucker be any good at making decks? They can only dogfuck and disappoint their parents.
>>94807523>you're allowed to beat to death any player that "wins" with thassa's oracle/laboratory maniac
>>94807511I wanted it to be/feel strong while still using some cards I'm interested in seeing on the board. If they end up being dogshit, I'll likely replace them, but until then I'm experimenting. Poetic Ingenuity is one I'm really excited to see in action. Worst case it sucks and I'll just replace it with Implement of Examination.
>>94807552Silence retard
>>94805493>use this against a ward creature>it doesn't fucking workI utterly HATE the fact that wizards makes every new mechanic in isolation just fucking make everything that's modal count as kicker and everything that prevents a card from being targeted count as the same thing and everything that returns a creature from the graveyard to the battlefield the same
>>94806857>Rashel>her tits are literally the size of her headWe're so back
>>94807593>use card incorrectly>it doesn't workwow no waysee >>94805451"duplicate file exists here"
>>94807552He isnt good enough to be good, but he's too bad to maintain a decent power level.
>>94807556by the way if you guys want to know how to deal with these "people", just convince your table to keep playing for second place. They get so mad and it robs them of whatever sick satisfaction they get from playing solitaire for 5 minutes only to say "and i draw out my whole deck and win with laboratory maniac". Force them to watch you play for second place. Let them remove themselves from your game.
>>94807593if it's turn seven just pay the 2, use a board wipe, or hate on the rhystic/tithe that affects the entire board instead of 1 permanent
>>94807629Anon, that has literally never happened. Not only that, it's going to result in grindy unbreakable stax decks that slowly kill everyone at the same time.
>>94804653>>94804687Tbh I came back and thought you were talking about Estrid but you're either retarded or disingenuous, have a nice day anon
If I print out a proxy will anyone notice it's not a "real" card
>>94807660Why are you trying to bait 8 hour old posts?
>>94807665perpetual isn't a paper mechanic so people will know, yes. easier to just treat the deck you make as you would a silver border deck and say "hey i'm using an alchemy commander is that ok?"
>>94807650what the fuck are you talking about I literally just did this the other day. A blue player "won" by drawing out his whole deck and getting an alternate wincon while we were on turn 8 of a heated game and I just convinced everybody to keep playing for second place. He sat there like a cuck watching us play and the guy that won second hollered as if he won outright. There is nothing satisfying about abruptly ending the game like that. Even going up against instant tokens feels better than a fucking Jace player because at least those usually have summoning sickness and can fall to a boardwipe. Even getting hit with those for infinite damage feels better than some faggot just going "alright the game is over"
>>94807679>at least those usually have summoning sickness and can fall to a boardwipemaybe if they're playing some ancient pre-FIRE white weenie cards like kithkin soldier tribal, every new token is either haste and trample or tapped and attacking
>>94807679Not my problem, and I seriously doubt that happened. What commander were they playing? What line did they use and around what turn was it? Who was the guy in second playing? How many turns later did he win, and with what?
>>94805635>Underrated card?No
>>94804195Milling everyone out by turn 6
>>94806857>from timed exclusive secret lair to timed local exclusivewhat a shit way to do a reprint
>>94807679>"won"He won anon, you don't have to be so mad about it that you write a fanfic about how hard you coped afterwards
>>94807512Jeskai Ascendancy
>>94807694>I seriously doubt that happened.You doubt that a group of guys said yes to the question: "GG, you guys wanna keep playing for second?". That's an insane, unbelievable scenario to you?The guy who won was playing Chulane, the guy who took second was playing Borborygmos
>>94807586Or what faggot? You'll cry to your discord. OoooOoooo
>>94807731But you can only use the untap ability once
>>94807802What discord? Stop trying to shit up thread.
>>94807767Yes, because the cards used on the winning player are gone, as are the removal from the winning player. It's a nonsense statement. And that is a nonanswer that wasnt specific enough to justify your story being real. No need to lie on the internet, just be better.
>>94807819You mean which discord, and I mean whatever one you cry to specifically when someone brings up dogfucking. So whichever that is.
How would you build it?
>>94807831Are you autistic? Clinically diagnosed with autism? We just kept playing. The turn passed to the next player. It's really not that hard to grasp. We weren't playing in a tournament, there was no judge you fucking idiot. It's a rule zero situation
>>94807858something to generate a bunch of treasure tokens (since treasures are artifacts) and something to untap her
>>94807629This happened to me once and I eagerly watched to see who got second. No one cares anon only you WAAC faggots think this matters cause it would upset you
>>94807846No one cares about perfect grammar aside from English majors angry they wasted a million dollars on a degree with as much use as African studies.
>>94807679Youll notice at not point in this story is the real winner upset. He patiently watched for the others to end, probably in much the same mindset as I was here >>94807874 when it happened to me lmao
>>94807858Artifact Blink focus
>>94807863Again, I dont believe you or you would have had an answer to those specific questions. Call me autistic all you like, at least I dont need to lie to justify losing at magic.
>>94807875I've only seen this argument from ESLs and people who had a hard time graduating High School, are you one or both?
>>94807887>blink>mono black
>>94807874that's because you're not mentally unwell unlike like the average alt-wincon player
>>94807891t. Prof
My feet hurt
>>94807897tutor for Conjurors closet
>>94807858I built her on a budget here's my list. https://archidekt.com/decks/10570437/loebliaCheap artifacts, and some ways to untap her. Thousand year elixir, patriars seal, magewright illusionists. She's a weak etali
>>94807902>That cuck being anything close to discriminatory towards minoritiesConfirmed both
>>94807899Anon the only person approaching mental illness here is the one breaking game rules to try and deny someone their victory cause they didn't like it. The narcissism is appalling
>>94807888do you do this in real life?>yeah my dog stole my shoes yesterday and i couldn't find them for like an hour>Really? I don't believe you. What color are your dog's eyes? How many minutes did it take for you to find them? What temperature was it in the room? What time of day was it? What was your heartrate?
>>94807911>>94807897NTA who said blink but yes he's correct. Sac outlets + not scam "scam" cards (malaria rebirth stuff). Voyager staff, and ya conjurers
>>94807911neat>mukotai soulripperman I wish paper magic had SOUL SHREDDER
>>94807915Man magic the gathering players ask the question "Why did you become a creative writing and English major?"
>>94807918rule zero, nigger. And he still won. We just played for second. No victory denied.
>>94807944based
>>94807629>get knocked out early, or win early, the result is the same.
>>94807679>"won">>94807944>he still won>rule 0 although it was clearly never discussedYou are a dishonest person.
>>94804656Sorry for the dark lighting, it was this, or blinding glare on sleeves.Currently in the "filled with chaff and junk for play testing with lower level friends" phase.Pretty fun. Won 2 lost 2 with it tonight. Highest was a 6 I was playing against?>Blow up everything>Next op plays a plains, swords, pass.Gotta work on that.
>>94807944Why are you so invested in this lie?>>94807927It's material evidence to the story. If a dog ate your shoes and I asked what colour shoes were you wearing, what was your dog's name, and what breed is he, you'd be able to answer those questions effortlessly, if it happened at all. It's not complicated.
>>94807956>it was clearly never discussedyes it was, that's what the "hey do you guys want to keep playing for second" was for>>94807990>Why are you so invested in this lie?It's not a lie, it actually happened, you're just a fucking autistic who is driving me crazy with these constant stubborn replies. A group of 4 guys sitting in a card shop decided to keep playing after an alt wincon set off. That's really not a fucking wild story, especially when another guy just told his story about doing the same thing with his group >>94807874 . Is he a liar too? Is everyone who bends the rules in magic a liar because NOBODY WOULD EVER BREAK WOTC'S IRONCLAD RULES OH NOOOOO holy shit kill yourself dude i don't know how you function in everyday life or how the people you play with even bear to be around you. Clearly you've never played the game with friends because these little on the fly decisions happen all the time. You'd only have the opinion that this is impossible if you played in situations where the rules are heavily enforced, which you would if you only played with strangers>oops i accidentally played this card before this other one, is it alright if i get a redo>yeah sure manlittle situations like this happen all the fucking time and it's very telling that you've never encountered one. you don't need a rule 0 contract that's signed and notarized to deal with these situations
>>94808019I always play out my mistakes
>>94808019I aint reading all that. Stop lying on the internet and you wont need to type furious autismal paragraphs.
>>94807990>If a dog ate your shoes and I asked what colour shoes were you wearing, what was your dog's name, and what breed is he, you'd be able to answer those questions effortlessly, if it happened at all. It's not complicated.anyone would get pissed if you started picking apart their personal story with the intention of trying to "catch" them in a lie
>>94808032Pissed is irrelevant, if they told a story about a dog eating their shoes that's a pretty low bar to recall, just like the magic questions.
>>94808054it's more to do with the fact that calling somebody a liar and demanding they offer up proof to you (an anonymous nobody) is a hostile interaction which was rightly responded with a "fuck you". don't act like you were trying to start a conversation about how that game went, you were interrogating, and that's not really ever going to go over well
>>94807930What commander for this feel?
>>94808102Anon, he was telling an obvious lie for masturbatory reasons. It's not my problem, there is no better feeling than telling a smug fag like me to fuck off, and based on his meltdown I've been proven correct.
>>94808125>obvious lieis this guy lying too? answer the question >>94807874
>>94808158I dont care if that guy was lying because he wasnt being a faggot about it, so again, it's not my problem. Anyways, you're back to your old shitposting form I'm not going to engage in a 2 hour autism battle over arbitary bullshit. Stop being so tsundere.
>>94806857>available April-MayFuck sake, why even announce it this early? Announce it close to the time I can actually fucking get it or I will just forget.
>>94806857These are all kinda poop
>>94806857>reprinted in a way that is also hard to getfuck WOTC
>>94807175>tfw no more awesome Terese Nielsen art because some man in a dress that cheated got upset that Terese's wife liked someone's post.>instead we get AI art and people stealing art instead.>tfw no face
>>94808198Nielsen art is mediocre. Deal with it.
>>94808212That still makes it among the best art in the game
>>94808212tranny-takefor real tho [xx / xy]
>>94808212It's on a case by case basis. While I dont like certain technical or stylistic elements, it's foolish to say her art isnt among the best in magic.
I've been thinking about building a deck that recurs Pox and Choice of Damnations. I've also been thinking about building Toshiro Umezawa. I know his ability doesn't work with sorceries, but is it a terrible idea to try to put these two plans together?
When did Tenacious Underdog go from like an 8-10$ card to 25 cents?
>>94808250You want this guy my friend
>>94808259Rotated from standard, if I had to guess.
Does green/white have a way to stop Evacuation style effects? I'm trying to cover for every way that an opponent might deal with a juiced up boggle.
>>94808262Samurai are cooler than Chinamen.
>>94808270>stop Evacuation style effectsWhat does that mean? Sorry, I don't know if that means a board wipe or graveyard protecting/hate?
>>94808270mana tithe
>>94808270Nope. You can stax to prevent it from happening, but when it's on the stack you're out of luck.
>>94808270>stop Evacuation styleWhite has:Tefari's ProtectionClever ConcealmentPerch ProtectionReprieveMana TitheLapse in CertaintyI don't play green, so I'm out on that.
Tutors are fine because if WotC just printed more copies of my wincon I would run them instead of tutors and it would be the exact same thing. I'm paying an extra tax with the tutor because I only have one copy of my wincon. Even worse, it's less redundancy because if my wincon gets countered, I can't look for the second copy of it.People need to learn that tutors are actually terrible.
>>94808277https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=mtg+evacuation
>>94808277I mean effects similar to Evacuation that bounce everything without targeting.
>>94808305Tutors have always been fine, and have been part of magic since day one. The problem has always been what is tutored for.
>>94808305You're right, and EDH is directly responsible for the latter (WotC just printing more copies of wincons) because things are printed as legendary creatures directly for singleton formats."Generate value and be ahead on cards" isn't even considered a wincon in most formats anymore because of this.
>>94808303>Phasing and (shitty) counterspells I was afraid of that. Thanks anyway.
what's some good monowhite card draw, i'm struggling
what are your favorite cards in a flash deck?
>>94808305The problem with tutors is that they're not "just" extra copies of your wincon. They're extra copies of your wincon that transform into removal or protection if you don't want it (say, because you already have the wincon). A zoomer MtG player analogy would be that they're effectively the most overloaded MDFC in history where the front side reads "win the game" and the backside is modular Cancel, Myrel, or Utter End (this is accounting for the cost of the tutor itself). They're not "just" extra copies of your wincon. They're extra copies of the best card for the situation you happen to be in at the moment you cast them.
>>94808357Welcoming VampireRumor GathererTrouble in PairsStaff of the StorytellerGlimmer LensLosheenTocasia's WelcomeBennie Bracks, ZoologistNorn's DecreeEsper SentinelMentor of the MeekSome of these are better than others depending on your deck, but here's a small list.
I actually managed to get a win off with picrel today, which is SHOCKING to me, since I play her to fuck around with fun tables, just being a sword of damocles. I don't even really have a real wincon in the deck.Any of you have any fun games recently?
>>94808365No. Because you still need to resolve both the tutor and the target. The old debate is do you counter the tutor or the target, and the short answer is it depends on the player. The long answer is a skilled opponent has planned with the tutor in mind.
>>94808383>Any of you have any fun games recently?No not really. Played with a bunch of sweats and literally just felt like I was gambling. Every time I got frustrated in a game because my commander kept getting blown up or the entire board got wiped for the 3rd time, I'd think to myself that I don't want to go home on a low-note and maybe the next game will be better.It wasn't.I massively prefer playing with casuals and new players because I just enjoy the experience of playing the game. Unfortunately attendance is so inconsistent I never get a choice.
>>94808386"You need to resolve both cards" is not a meaningful drawback. It's not like playing a tutor makes it twice as likely your opponent will have the counterspell in their hand barring a situation like Mystic Remora where your opponent literally draws cards from it, or a card like Opposition Agent which explicitly targets tutors specifically because of how powerful and prevalent they are in high-level play. In a scenario of you casting a tutor your opponent is not actually presented with two meaningfully different scenarios most of the time unless either:>The tutor places directly into play, akin to Crop Rotation or Transmute Artifact, in which case only one opportunity is actually presented>The opponent's interaction exclusively interacts with tutors, such as Aven Mindcensor, which again only presents one opportunity.
Since no ones posted it yetMaro’s Aetherdrift Teaser>13/13 Vehicle with Crew 2 that costs one mana to cast>Mechanic called Start your engines! >Three planeswalker native to one of the worlds visited, and one non-native, gets a desparked legendary creature version>Cycle of vanilla legendary creatures >Cat and Dog Mounts>An old God returns and new Gods are introduced>New Lotus>Cycle of multicolored Gearhulks >Numerous mechanics from the worlds visited get cameos>New Vehicle artifact tokenNext, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards: > “This creature saddles Mounts and crews Vehicles using its toughness rather than its power.”> “Whenever you draw a card, each opponent mills two cards.”> “Other Dinosaurs you control get +1/+1.”> “Whenever a player casts a spell they don’t own,”> “{T}: Add {R} for each Goblin you control.”> “During turns other than yours, this Vehicle is an artifact creature.”> “Whenever you activate an exhaust ability, draw a card.”> “Put any number of permanent cards from your hand onto the battlefield.”> “Whenever you attack, if a Pirate and a Vehicle attacked this combat,”> “Creatures you control have base power and toughness 6/6 and are Oozes in addition to their other types.” Here are some creature type lines from the set: >Creature – Seal Pirate>Creature – Lizard Berserker>Creature – Insect Archer>Creature – Kor Pilot>Artifact Creature – Robot Turtle>Creature – Ape Druid>Creature – Zombie Cat Knight>Creature – Vedalken Ranger>Creature – Dinosaur Dragon Mount>Legendary Creature – Aetherborn RogueFinally, here are some names in the set: >Adrenaline Jockey>Flood the Engine>Gas Guzzler>Maximum Overdrive>Pedal to the Metal>Road Rage>Roadside Assistance>The Speed Demon>Spin Out>Syphon Fuel
>>94808365Except very few tutors are any of those things.>They're extra copies of your wincon that transform into removal or protection if you don't want itIf you have no choice but to let the tutor resolve or the combo they're tutoring into resolve you already lost.You're assuming infinite draw, mana, and that tutors don't have additional costs or timing restrictions, and while many of those things are true in current day mtg or vintage, that has nothing to do with tutors themselves. The reasons tutors are gay (merely needing to have a card in your deck rather than a realistic chance of drawing into the effect) is built into singleton and so almost completely absent from the format, where all decks are gay already. Tutors are STRONG in edh specificaly because decks are gay in this way (a (very) limited number of copies of certain effects exist in mtg) but that isn't a PROBLEM with tutors, because the consequence (you just run 1x of a certain effect because you can tutor for it anyway) is baked into the format.
>okay, my enchantment triggers and does 15 damage to you >Okay >Okay, I move to combat.>Okay >Okay I attack your for 25 across 6 creatures >Wait, that would kill me>Yes >I stifle your enchantment trigger>Dude, we are in combat now>But I didn't realize you had lethal, go back I haven't declared blockers yet
>>94808460faerie bros, we lost
>>94808198You know you can mail her cards with her art and she will sign them and send them back..... for free. She'll do a max of like 15 or so per person.
>>94808212Post art you think is better.
>>94808444You're missing the forest through the trees. You need both the tutor and the target to resolve; either being messed with ends your sequence. That also increases the mana you need to execute your wincon, and the most effective way to prevent this is to interfere with the math, and that can be done in every colour without stack interaction. The tutors that put things onto the battlefield are very expensive, and the tutors that go to hand without showing the opponent are very limited. Most of the time the target is known and put on top of the library, which is a very vulnerable position for a key card, and requires either passing the turn or resolving an additional spell. The biggest problem with tutors is the counterplay requires a large amount of meta knowledge, or one of like 5 answers. It's not something a new player can pick up immediately, it requires a large amount of practice, and to run cards that are dead draws against opponents of equal skill.
>>94808464Commander is a casual format, you let him rewind it once. The second time it happens, point to the first time and tell him to suck it up.
>>94808383>tap for all mana available>"okay looks like x=23 and its going to be copied twice">"I swing with all of em that's uhh 69 rats">'69?'>"yeah">'nice'
>>94808498If to comes down to him losing because he wasn't paying attention, or him winning because he gets a rewind, I really don't think I should allow him to have a rewind after a hour long game, but I'll keep that in mind as a rule in the future.
>>94808461There's many cards that are not viewed as problematic that will never have "extra copies" printed. Swords to Plowshares is a card nobody (myself included) would view as a problem card but it's sure fucking better than Unwanted Remake and Path to Exile. More than that, tutors frequently end up as a colossal deckbuilding crutch that makes people run way larger ramp packages than they should, because their tutors are finding everything else they need. Tutors largely invalidate both the need for redundancy AND deck penetration because they're cards that transform into the best one possible.
>>94808507how are you copying it twice?
>>94808508In a tournament, you're right, but this is how I feel about the spirit of the format. He has the answer in hand and timing to use it correctly. Stifling the trigger at the time isnt cheating and the optimal decision, especially if he did proper combat math. How I play is if the game is about to be won, unless it's a tournament, we table talk about the answers everyone has because we're friends and want to improve our skills. But that being said, if he should know better and is fucking up repeatedly, eventually he has to learn and take the loss. I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt once. Twice is on a case by case basis.
>>94808518Unbound flourishing + magus kaneIt was an unusual game, I've never had them on the field at the same time. Usually if I have unbound it's cause kanes removed and I'm digging for it as a backup
>>94808460>Robot type in a UW setI'm a little mad
>>94808512I dont think you understand tutors. If there were fewer tutors, people would be more all in with cards like ad naus, the one ring, and necropotence to win the game; it would make very little difference in the meta. Tutors allow versatility with obvious drawbacks. Not only that, punishing decks that rely on tutors is a perfectly viable axis to win the game. They have a cost for that transformation, and if you dont like it, punish them for it.
>>94808460Of all the sets of magic I've not been excited for i am the most not excited for this trash
>>94808493You're discussing exclusively "tutor for wincon" scenarios, but that's not all of what makes a tutor good. If you have the wincon, the tutor begins transforming into protection for it. People generally aren't retarded when deckbuilding so their wincon will usually be the best one available given constraints (I'm not saying that's always going to be Thoracle/Consultation, but Timmies do love their Craterhoofs). Consequently, now instead of being another 8-mana bomb, the tutor became a low-committment, 2-mana protection effect like Grand Abolisher that ALSO demands removal. In casual games, tutors also wholly replace the need for prevalent engine access, and effective removal, because... you can tutor for them. Pretty much every color except red to my knowledge has multiple tutors broad enough they can fill these roles at very modest mana costs, which circles into the atrocious deckbuilding habit EDH players have of running ramp packages that are way too large because their hand is being fixed too easily.
>>94808561"Punishing decks that rely on tutors" involves running a handful of cards that are completely dead draws without advanced knowledge you will be facing them. While this is a given in cEDH, that line isn't nearly as clear in casual games, especially with randoms. The tutor itself is an extremely broad tool but the ones that directly answer them are narrow.
>>94808512Everything you have described is a reason tutors are gay in constructed, and nothing you have said applies meaningfully to singleton, where the effects that you are tutoring for are run in as many copies as have ever been printed in the lifetime of the game.>There's many cards that are not viewed as problematic that will never have "extra copies" printed. Swords to Plowshares is a card nobody (myself included) would view as a problem card but it's sure fucking better than Unwanted Remake and Path to Exile.You would not ever tutor for it though because there is no tutor that doesn't make it a worse value proposition than just running whatever you wanted instead of it.>There's many cards that are not viewed as problematic that will never have "extra copies" printedThose aren't relevant to the conversation, because tutors only matter in that a card can be so problematic that even tutoring for it it's still worth playing.>>94808571>If you have the wincon, the tutor begins transforming into protection for it.That quite literally is the same as tutoring for wincon, since you'd just play the next wincon after the first gets countered, and there would actually be less space for interaction because you're resolving three cards instead of two.
>>94808581That's how running hate works, yes. This isn't unique to tutors.
>tfw you take out ogre slumlord for something decent like deadly dispute
I can't stop building tribal decks
>>94808627I can only build aristocrats
>that guy with Rhystic, rift, and 3 free counter spells in his deck as well as all the expansive rocks in his "casual" deck
>>94808603>You need to resolve three cards instead of twoThis is not relevant because in both scenarios your opponent needs to have two points of interaction.Scenario A:>Play Wincon 1>Counter needed>Play Wincon 2>Counter needed>2 points of interaction neededScenario B:>Play tutor>Counter possible>Play Wincon 1>Counter needed>Play Wincon 2 only if tutor resolved>Counter needed>2 points of interaction needed
>>94808634tfw you show up with a list like this
>>94808603Your claim that the value proposition on tutors is extremely bad isn't very strong when you begin to consider what that implies for the value proposition of card draw.>Pay 3 mana get the card you want the mostor>Pay 3 mana get 2 random cards
Why do people run anything other than izzet colors?> white has board wipes> noooo you cant cyclonic rift my board, *runs to /edhg/ to mald about rift*> green has ramp> noooo you can't just drop a bunch of 0 cost rocks on the board!!> black has to hurt itself to draw cards...I am niv mizzet, wrecker of casuals, miner of salt. Bow, inferior colors!!
>>94808666>Assemble an engine out of 5 parts that lets you draw 10 cards per turn so you can grind through your deck to find your win convs>Play 1 spell to find your win con
>>94808673Yes that's literally why tutors are extremely powerful.
>>94808667Amen brother.
>>94808581Yes, I said that? Dont be greedy if it's a problem.>>94808571Engines are bad, what can I say? I firmly believe this and have for many years. Drawing cards with absolute certainty is much more powerful than hypothetically drawing many cards if the stars align. Edh players arent bad deck builders because of tutors, they're bad deck builders because edh plays like no other format, and constrains their entire deck around a single creature. Ironically, if you dont do this, you'll never achieve full power, but it's the ultimate new player trap because it pays off against weaker competition. None the less, this has nothing to do with tutors and playing multiple spells that demand answers is good deck building and a key reason I win as often as I do.
>>94808666the good (expensive) tutors only cost 1 mana and are sometimes even instant speed
>>94808698My focus was on lower-power tutors since saying "tutor good in cEDH" would not even be worth mentioning. Like yeah no shit Vampiric Tutor mogs the fuck out of Opt but this goes rather far up the tree where even "bad" tutors like Diabolic Intent mog common low-power cards like Harmonize.
>>94808634Nipple.
>>94808716Depends. If you're tutoring a key card, maybe. If you need gas, nope.
>>94808694Without tutors, it's much harder to consistently demand an answer from your opponents, since every tutor is effectively a card that reads "Yes I did have it". I think we're actually kinda on the same page here where tutors aren't exactly impossible to answer, but they are extremely powerful in a way that isn't always fully grasped. Decks without tutors will generally experience a lot of difficulty facing decks with them unless there's a colossal imbalance in the rest of their structure.
>100 card format>barely get through 20 of them before game endsWhat's the point? Why isn't commander a 60 card format?
>>94808727The tutor becomes the gas if that's what you need the most. Yeah it would have been nice to just draw the gas, but the gas doesn't always turn itself into something immediately playable while the tutor almost always does.
>>94808741I'd say so, it's nice to talk to a reasonable anon. I play monoblue in cedh and I always am at a disadvantage because I dont have black tutors, but I compensate for that by playing stax, and having a slightly higher curve. You can easily demand answers if your deck is tuned to the meta and you have a high enough density of threatening cards. Like if an opponent is counting back to basics over my wincon, I'm coming out ahead by design. But this style relies on a strong understanding of tempo, and not every player has that, especially newer ones.
>>94808747Casual format, where a big deck with only singletons makes it hard for get your big wincons out, and with 4 people more about just relaxing and chilling.At least, that's my understanding.
>>94808748But a tutor for the gas is bad tempo when you could play the gas instead of the tutor. Like tutoring a cantrip is a big feelsbad, but cantripping usually feels great.
>>94808747Is this a real question? Not even trying to be rude, i'm just surprised someone doesn't get it. It's variance. EDH is supposed to be a casual format with high-variance decks, that's why it's 100 card singleton. Your deck is going to perform different each time you play it, because each time those 20 cards you get to see are going to be different.
>>94808783this genuinely made it click in my head thank you I am new
>>94808776You kinda don't have the run the cantrip in the first place if your deck is using tutors. Obviously there's exceptions with some cards like Veil of Summer where the rest of the effect is more important than the fact it cantrips, but in general you just don't need deck-thinning for its own sake (e.g. Ponder) the moment you can start adding wildcards.
if I were to build a squirrel deck, would people get pissed?I know, bitch ass question, but my first ever deck was slivers because I loved their aesthetic and the playstyle of them all supporting each other, but pretty much every time I put them on the table, at least one player gives me the side eye and targets me down even if I'm getting land starved because I guess at one point slivers were unfairly good.I want to build another deck of small creatures that support each other and swarm, and I like the card art of a lot of the squirrels.
>>94808460All I want is some sort of changeling car that I can make a Wraith so my Nazgul can ride in style.
>>94808822forgot to mention, I first built the slivers back in 2012 after getting a core box as my first MTG purchase.
>>94808822People here on 4chan would because hating squirrel decks is a /edh/ meme. In real life, no, they wouldn't. You're just looking for a tribal deck and most of those don't really garner a lot of hate. Slivers are one of the few exceptions, because everyone knows that Slivers WILL just win if left unchecked for like 3 turns, so there's generally a ill-will towards them.
>>94808357Armistice is all you need bro
>>94808850:>8 mana to make you and your opp both draw a cardOkay. Why would you ever run that over something like that
>>94808812That's the current cedh wisdom, but I disagree. Being able to manipulate where known cards are in my library is incredibly powerful. Other than mystic sanctuary, it's the reason for fetches in my multicolour deck. Needing a specific answer and tutoring it feels less consistent than having a density of answers and simply needing to go through a chunk of cards to hit one of many options. Most cedh decks have cut cantrips entirely, but call me old fashioned, I care less about which specific answer I get, and more about the fact I have any answer at all. Same reason I prefer conditionless counterspells; sure a 1cmc counter is nice, but I'd rather an unconditional one at 2cmc that can never whiff.
>>94808863>monocoloured deckSorry for the typo, watching anime.
>>94808833Close enough
if I've played 20 games with a deck and have never drawn into a specific card, but the deck still plays fine despite that, am I justified in cutting that card for some new hotness? I feel like that meme about the two dudes mining
>>94808906if you swap it out you'll topdeck the new card for the rest of all time. it's karma or some shit
Anons, can you help me find a forever home for one of my pet cards? I don't know what kind of commander could maximize the value of this kind of self sacrifice effect
>>94808953this would be great in Jaxisgonna order one right now
>>94808974So would you make a token copy and then sac it to give something else haste, does Jaxis run any recursion?
Should I play Breya or something else like the Stranger Things partners? Think I want to lean into artifacts and graveyard recursion
>>94808460I'm fully expecting this set to be shit, but i'm happy to see Mounts back so soon. It's a good mechanic.
>>94808953Xenagos, obviously. It's where I used it.
>>94808986yeah, mostly because it's so much better to get the draw off the copy during a main phase than during your end step
>>94808863Can you post your list? You've got me interested.
>>94808493>You're missing the forest through the trees.Allow me to play doubles advocate for a moment
>>94808882I was hoping for something a little less, whatever that looks like. But the effect is actually perfect so I couldn't ask for more. Looks like the boys will be car pooling to the shire after all.
>goldfishing deck>take a 15 minute turn comboing off to draw 50 cards, cheat out enter the infinite, and win with JaceGranted it happened turn 8 and would fold to most interaction, but I'm liking where this is going. Putting this on the list of things I want to pull off with it in an actual game.
>>94809030>JaceYou didn't win the game.
>>94809021Dont look at his gut, bubs!>>94809010Sure. I was waiting for my null rod, cursed totem, and borne upon a wind to arrive before I posted a new pic of my deck, but since they're lost in transit I'll post a pic tomorrow afternoon when I get a second to lay out my cardboard. It's an urza deck and I've won many cedh tournaments with it. Even when I dont win, it takes a full table and some luck to stop me most times, especially if you havent seen the deck before, but I've been playing it quite a while so your mileage may vary. I do a few things against current cedh wisdom, like I said.
>>94809039Don't worry Timmy, one day I'll win with commander damage instead.
>>94808953Anon literally ANY deck that cares about it's commander or other key cards turning sideways ASAP. I have this in all 3 of my decks that have red. Might seem obvious but you can split that 2 into two creatures for two hasty boys
>>94809064>commander damageOne of my friends who is actually good at the game keeps insisting commander damage is only to prevent games from being prolonged. Or that that was the point. But really inn what world is commander damage going to kill anyone ever except voltron decks
>>94809153It's largely a relic from back when creatures sucked total donkey dick so cards like Beacon of Immortality were a real risk of making the game last forever. However that being said I don't see it getting removed any time soon since it's one of those "remember your roots" rules referencing the old 7/7 elder dragons that gave birth to the format.
>>94809153It's been pretty instrumental in dealing with the dude who is popping off with ridiculous lifegain.
>>94808460>Cycle of vanilla legendary creaturesHello? Based department?
>>94809153Calm down, Ben. Commander Damage can't hurt you.
>>94804742the fact that this isnt an auto-include in every comp deck begs to differ. sweaties would rather cry about thoracle combos tho
>>94809400I cant see myself ever paying 3 mana for that effect. Even in my wheel deck that totally benefits from that effect a lot, I just dont see it. Id rather have the right mana. Its ok but probably mountain is same ev
>>94809416for the price of three (3) mana you get to permanently mindgame the thoracle combo player. with two out, the odds that he has multiple stifles in hand AND counterspells to cover oracle is infinitesimally small
Im kind of liking this cardChangeling helps my tribal a littleSeems flexible enough
>>94809431It is funny that oracle players lose if you exile one card from their deck. Why opposition agent good of course. A lit of those decks are paper thin
Reminds me Ive been meaning to run this in my wheel izzet aggro deck
>>94809482Whoops forgot pic
Did the price of mana vault decline? I remember it being 100$
>>94809498Maybe Im thinking of crypt. Either way now that I see its not 100$ Im tempted to get one for my big wheel aggro. Bounce it withhttps://scryfall.com/card/blb/68/season-of-weaving
>>94804623When are these going to get reprinted?
>>94807229>limited timeYeah, of course they had to make this difficult. I just hope this can lower the price on some of the more expensive ones. May be able to make it to one of these since there's a regular store I visit with friends but that it's random does annoy.
>>94809487Its legitimately a really underrated card, i'd honestly run it in any deck that makes a bunch of creature tokens and happens to be blue. You get to tap a possible attacker, tap blockers, tap the two lands the other player left open to counterspell, it's great.
>>94807930A colorless vehicle that is Unruly Mob. Man I wish. Even if it didn't get those in the grave. My Ghave would love that. Anyway, that fight is cool. What movie is it from?
>>94809584The only thing I don't like about opposition is it costs 2 blue. Its easy to make red mana, blue mana is harder to make. Opposition is still probably worth running. Im all in on token generators.Being able to tap lands is low key amazing and somewhat unique. Oh, the known Teferi's Protection enjoyer has 3 open plains? Tap one.
>>94809597RRR
>>94808383I've been pleasantly surprised with Odric these last couple of months. He's quickly becoming one of my favorites. Got a recent game that I got a kick out of. I had set up my board of a bunch of small creatures and equipment with good key words. Anotehr guy was playing Magus Lucea Kane and on his turn cast a Blue Sun's Twilight with over ten so he could take anything on board. Copied twice and targeted two big creatures to take control of and make copies from the guy playing big dinosaurs Pantlaza and then tried to target and take my Odric as well. One dinosaur would have had haste so he would have been able to take the table out with it and my Odric if he had taken him. Rebuff The Wicked stopped him from taking my Odric and left him with a board of big guys with sickness and only one dinosaur that could swing in. Odric and the rest of my many soldier tokens flying over after sharing power and toughness from Porcelain Gallery really blew out him and the table when the turn came back to me. How does Ashling play out for you usually? She looked cool and was something I had considered as a mono red commander option I liked.
>>94808953I think I may consider this for Roxanne. Attacking with her is pivotal and while I've got a decent amount of haste enablers, one more couldn't hurt. Especially since it can give haste to another creature if the mana is split between them. And he helps get her out early if I some how don't draw my ramp, which isn't half bad. Probably be decent in Isshin as well.
>>94808667> noooo you cant farewell my board, *runs to /edhg/ to mald about adios*
Might be a stupid question- can I cast artifact creatures or enchantment creatures when Nikya is out?
>>94809863They're still creatures, so yes.
>>94809863>Artifact CREATURES or Enchantment CREATURESTruly a mystery for the ages!
>>94809869>>94809873Thanks boys
>>94809786Pay 3?
Mind if I just start dumping my complete ass custom cards here?
>>94809885yes
>>94809886Ok
>>94809786Bro I already copied time warp twice by turn 5. Good luck reaching 6 mana
>notice the estrid/tuvasa secret lair is on sale>fuck it i like tuvasa and enchantments why not, its on sale>arrives like 16 hours later via next day shippingjesus christ did it just sell insanely badly or something
>>94809786>*flashes in guardian of faith*>*casts clever concealment*>*casts Teferis Protection*>*casts Galadriel's Dismissal*>*casts Reprieve*>*casts crop rotation fetching talon gates of madara*heh...nothing personell....farewell abuser.....
>>94808464Buffoonery. While the 15 damage enchantment damage is on the stack, they won't know wether you're gonna swing 25 power in combat towards them. Retroactively stifling an enchantment trigger from a whole different phase is retarded. In my group, folk that did stuff like that were told to get bent.
>>94810111To be fair 5 of those are also in white.
>>94809958Oopsie :3
>>94810234AIEEEEE NONONONONO STOP STOP STOP!!!
>>94810234>art perspective is all over the fucking placewhat the fuck?
>>94810263that's because it's just traced art
>>94810285Wait really?
>>94810291Yes.
>>94804814build her as well but I still need to play some matches before deciding if she's goodhatebears seems the way to go, was considering adding a few manifest cards too
>>94805147there is no reason for players not to run infinites so every deck is more or less the same
>>94805200it depends on what deck you're runningI don't have it in my aminatou deck because giving my opponent a 3/3 that can then attack on my planeswalker is a dumb idea, I'd much rather use stroke of midnight (1/1) or bovine intervention (2/2)
>>94810291Did you miss it? It was kind of a big thing. The whole piece is just a mishmash of various traced artworks, which is why it looks so uncanny, basically just a composite of various other pieces.
>>94810491Really? Did WotC get sued? What happened? What pieces?
>>94810491Fucking Kek, they didn't even try and hide it.
>>94810550This is another one of the pieces. This one is more subtle, but the arm and neck on the man are a dead giveaway if you look closely.
>>94810491>>94810550>>94810593>artists should not be replaced by AI>also artists:
>>94810503>>94810291Traced art in mtg cards isn't even new. For one, Core Set 2015 Nissa, Worldwaker is just flat out trace of Yolandi and it was obvious even back then.
>>94810630Thing is tracing is frowned upon anyway. And if you're too blatant, you'll get loaded accusations thrown your way. They might make some middling cash, but people that keep blatantly tracing tend to not really succeed in general.
>>94810630Tracing already was the "AI art" of the art world before AI was a thing.
>>94810100Sounds like it. They still have Ghost Busters and some others as well. Seems like a Secret Lair either sells out in moments or lasts for months.
>>94810550One this was brought to light and how big a deal was made of it I thought they'd have set up a reprint with different art not long after. Surprised it hasn't happened yet.
>>94811026>>94811026>>94811026
>>94810550>>94810630Don't forget the time an artist plagiarized literal Nicol Bolas porn and the callout never got any momentum because it was in the same set with the meme Faithless Looting art.
>>94809657>only one dinosaurWhy would he steal anything...? You countered the spell
>>94808498>casual means you can't make mistakes and everyone has to pretend they're playing with fucking toddlersUh no?
>>94807125I mean, I won't sent they're proper silly. Funny even. But I think I'd rather she had had big gauntlets instead or something.
>>94811164The spell gets copied multiple times though his commander. Each copy took a different creature.
>>94811069That actually happened?
>>94808644why are you playing mono black with an orzhov commander, triggering
