Previous: >>94811026>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:If you could choose one card (outside of Black Lotus) that is restricted in it's respective format and make it playset legal again, which card would it be?
> If you could choose one card (outside of Black Lotus) that is restricted in it's respective format and make it playset legal again, which card would it be?None. If anything the format needs more bans
>Reminded WotC made a retarded animal setLore sets are gay. Universes Beyond is fucking gay. Magic the Gathering is fucking gay.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94817890>If you could choose one card (outside of Black Lotus) that is restricted in it's respective format and make it playset legal again, which card would it be?Literally no fucking reason whatsoever that shit like Cleanse/Crusade is banned when shit like Mass Calcify is perfectly fine. And HOW MANY "destroy nonblack creature" cards have been printed in the last 30 years??? Come the fuck on, grow the fuck up. Also Pradesh Gypsies has beautiful art and does nothing awful, why the fuck is that banned?
SHIT THREAD QUESTION THIS IS /EDHG/ RETARD>New TQ>What power level do you aim for building a deck? What does it actually come out as? Why is it always 7?
>>94821926I don't aim for a specific power level, I just build what seems fun to pilot. According to Commandersalt, I have two 7s, three 6s, and one 5.
>>94821486Because someone might get offended, also WOTC hq is in Seattle.
dead formatdead game lmao
>>94821926Power levels are useless.A better metric is turns-to-win with no interaction.And in that case, turn 7-12
>>94821926Everything is normally a 7 because it's a 7 relative to their playgroup.Everyone is usually trying to build with the people they play with in mind
>>94821486The best reason I heard why cleanse is banned is because it makes people think of ethnica cleansing.Personally if you see a bunch of monsters die and see the word black and cleanse you think of killing minorities you are way more racist than a lot of the people you would claim to be racist
>>94819386This.WotC nuked the authenticity of the game.
>>94821926I just build what I like. Usually somewhere between 8-10. When you add in enough neat things from other formats you're usually miles ahead of the average edh deck.
>>94822658No. Many bad decks can win quickly and many great decks can win slowly. A better metric is:>Can you identify your wincon?7>Can you win through interaction?8>Can you win through free interaction?9>Can you win consistently through multiple pieces of interaction, some of which are free?10
>>94821926I look for a commander/theme that seems fun, then build it to be as powerful I can make it with the resources at my disposal without betraying that themeLike I have a Phage the Untouchable deck that's jam packed with all the most powerful black cards I can get my hands on, by the WotC bracket system it would probably qualify for whatever the highest tier ends up being, but it's still fucking Phage
>>94817890>tqThis is an EDH general my guy, but I would probably unban Jeweled Lotus if I had the chance. I don't think it was truly that banworthy. It was really good, but limited to your commander. Most loops that used it were also cucked by the dime-a-dozen grave hate. Dockside deserved the banhammer though, as did Mana Crypt.
>>94821926I dunno, what "power level" do precons average at? I usually just buy precons and slot in some thematic or pet cards, and change out all the basics for old border shit.
>>94817890>If you could choose one card (outside of Black Lotus) that is restricted in it's respective format and make it playset legal again, which card would it be?Free my nigga. If Cyclonic is okay there's no reason he can't be.
>>94823788Crypt was fine, dont be silly. Jeweled lotus only did degenerate things, and wasnt very good in general.
helix kings, how often have you gotten the win off?>hard mode no infinites manamy record is 4 wins with it no infinite mana
>>94823828>cheaper card that literally wins the game vs. more expensive card that gives etbs again and only really kills tokenslol
>>94823855most mentally retarded take ive seen, if cyclonic isnt winning you the game its saving you from losing, its literally never a dead card while biorhythm can fuck you if you play it poorly
>>94823889Just run shaman and quit your shitposting.
>>948219261-10 Scale is dumb, you just need 5 tiers:>cEDH>High power casual>Low power casual>Precon/Jank>Actual trash>>94823911I want to be able to run both.
>>94824308>>cEDH9 10>>High power casual7 8>>Low power casual5 6>>Precon/Jank3 4>>Actual trash1 2
>>94824503Delineating that finely only causes more confusion since it makes it harder to accurately assess how powerful a deck actually. Rating your own deck a 7 (and holding 7 as an ideal) has become a meme in MTG because people who do so are almost always over or under rating their deck.If I say my deck is 'high power casual' instead of '7', it's more likely I'm rating it accurately compared to the assignment of a numeric value and it better communicates what other players can expect from the deck's performance.
Gah two threads.Are these worth running or is the tempo loss not worth it?
>>94823837Crypt should be banned for its price alone. If WOTC isn't willing to reprint it to worthlessness like sol ring then it shouldn't be allowed given it ramps you by two turns for nothing. Sol ring would be also be prohibitively expensive if it wasn't reprinted to death in precons. I don't mind it in the format if everyone can get their hands on it, especially since it helps you play higher CMC commanders outside of green in a format where that's become harder and harder to do.
>>94824619Unless you're playing a cycling a deck or deck that specifically wants to put lands in the graveyard I don't see what you gain by running them.It would help if you actually told us what commander you're building.
>>94824681>Unless you're playing a cycling a deck or deck that specifically wants to put lands in the graveyard I don't see what you gain by running them.I have no synergies with them, but I'm in gruul so being able to draw while behind on the board is a struggle. Being able to cycle the lands away for more usable cards in the mid/late game sounds useful, but I'm wondering if that's a scenario that will come up often enough to outweigh the lands entering tapped which could trip me up early on.I'm just playing Ruby. Ramp into ramp into play 7-drops every turn.
>>94824807With your commander there are plenty of spells in green that can draw you plenty of cards, just stuff those into the deck. You want your draw effects to provide card advantage, not just filter through the deck.
>>94824619the multicolored cycling lands aren't bad if you're on a budget, but I wouldn't run the monocolored ones outside of either a cycling deck or a deck that wants lands in the graveyard.
>>94824619The rightmost one is at least fetachable but I'd rather run a shock, fetch, bond, surveil or slow land over this.
>>94824619I love cycle lands I run them in almost all of my decks
How is this not broken
>>94821954WotC is homosexual and retarded.
>>94825497>3cmc fodder that can only be used once per turnYeah there really is no problem here. Black has far better options than this for sac outlets
I'm adding Meddling Mage to my Zinnia deck. I know it's not an S tier card but it's flexible.>>948238183 mana 1/1 that can be bounced to your hand. Cauldron Familiar costs 1 black.
>>94825497>next end stepIt does literally nothing
>>94821926Power levels aren't real. However as a basic rule of thumb I always avoid including the following:Tutors.Combos.Blatantly broken cards.Oppressive cards that cause durdling unless my deck has a consistent set up where I can gain advantage after symmetrical board wipe/land destruction/winter orb shit.I want to have fun and for others to have their fun. If I wanted to be a tryhard dork playing a hyper efficient deck that constantly plays out the same way that aims to win instead of just do janky cool thing XYZ I'd stop being a coward and go play an actual competitive format instead of the silly multiplayer one. Those are the only two power levels, fun decks with self restraint, and faggy cEDHers.
>>94821926Turns out your TQ was just as retarded as mine, retard.
>>94825497>once a turn>does nothing on etb and has no abilities>terrible body>limited amount of times you can do it >vastly overcostedThere are other much better cards that aren't even considered good themselves that do what this card does.
Also, if I may throw in my two cents: The thread subject shouldn't necessarily dictate the TQ topic so long as the TQ pertains to the GENERAL aspect of the thread subject itself. >Then post it in the GENERAL thread?How about answering the question instead of being a politically correct trigger-happy nonce about it?>B-but it's EDH?! Y-you already know you can't have a playset of - ...!I don't care. I posted a thread. I posted a TQ for the thread. Both pertain to the same game. Oh, there's a discrepancy between the thread subject and the TQ topic as it pertains to the specific format? Woah wow, how could I be so retarded? Sue me. ...I swear, EDH players are the most trigger-happy edgelords I've ever witnessed in my life. I regret posting the thread.>tl:drEDH players should consider unrustling their jimmies because someone else did something they personally didn't like and/or disagree with. *Mic drop*
>>94825497its just kinda cute, nothing to write home aboutif it was a 1 drop tho
>>94826212Imagine being bad at Magic and still insisting on giving "advice". Conveniently, your idea of "fun" is "not having any other decks at the table that can circumvent whatever board state I create" just like every other loudmouth casual player.
>>94823529>bad decks can win quickly and many great decks can win slowly'No'
worth it if I'm not in black?
Post the thread in the old one you retard
>>94826676Crymore sweatlord grow some cajones and go play standard.
>>94823529If 12 turns isn't slow enough for you your deck isn't good
>>94827876Why would anyone willingly play standard?
>>94823788I'd flip this desu crypt was fine, lotus should have never been printed and if it was it should've been printed at common rarity. Dockside stays banned
>>94823855Cyc is cheaper than bio both ways anon. You are either bad at the game or running lots of fast mana if that's your assessment of rift
Complete mtg noob. How do I get into commander/mtg as a whole?
>>94824619These are fantastic cards the first 3 replies are idiots
>>94825497Because better recurable sac fodder exists
>>94825667Fun card i ended up replacing it in reflector mage in my deck since I found meddling was always hitting commanders and reflector is just slightly more palatable since it can double as pseudo removal as well as a delay
So which of the 4 threads are we posting in now. Jannies you had one job
>>94827948In a few specific decks, maybe. In general? Not really.
>>94828011I'm spamming this one as it has the most posts of the new threads. The two small ones should be deleted. This retarded OP didn't link the post so that's on him for being a dirty nigger
>>94827944Buy a pre constructed deck, go from there
>>94826258Pic unrelated?
>>94827944Have you played any other card games in the past?
>>94827944You can jump straight into commander but I might recommend that you go to a draft event at your local game store. I've always encountered friendly, non-sweaty people playing Draft (because you can't build your deck ahead of time) and honestly people will give you good advice on what to draft in my experience.You build a deck with whatever you pull, and let people know that you're new and they'll usually help you out. If they're a real sweatlord, at least the game will go fast and you can usually try to find someone to play a casual game against while waiting for the next round.The big advantage over jumping straight into commander is that you can learn magic fundamentals better in this format, draft removes the problem of unbalanced power levels (unless someone drafts something godlike) and teaches you a little of deckbuilding.My favorite commander decks I've ever built were out of draft chaff that I slowly upgraded over time
Everyone complains about my decks but I just run Goblin tribal?Why?
>>94828503>decks>but I just run Goblin tribalhow many goblin decks do you have anon?
>>9482853118.No, my main deck is Goblin tribal. I don't even use Krenko as the commander, just Muxus.
>>94828503Goddamn anon you complain about people complaining about your decks all the time.
>>94828503Goblins, dragons, demons, dinosaurs, angels, merfolk, zombies, elves etc all annoying tribes because they have way to much support now and if you give them an inch they take a mile and the game turns into managing them. I hate tribal
>precon spoilers next Thursday and FridayAre you excited to see how the format gets fucked this time?
>>94828503>>94828541I don't know then, anon. The only thing I dislike in decks I see is lack of a win con. Goblins seem like they have a clear way to close out the game and should play fast enough.
Orc > goblin
>>94828588>not posting the superior orc tribal commander
>>94828601anon that's an ogre
>my cards FINALLY showed upTime to take a picture of my deck for you fucks.
>>94828779> anime posterDon't bother, we know you ordered cringe
>>94828784Nope. And where do you think you are?
>>94828601Perfect commander for this Kazuul format. It doesn't really fly in competitive.
Anyone got experience with her? Is she good? I was thinking about making a delirium deck, is making a bunch of tarmogoyfs + general graveyard shenanigans good enough for a functional deck?
>>94828922Seems good, but I hate the art. Your best bet might be running maskwood nexus and just dumping your deck in your yard.
>>94828960>Seems good, but I hate the art.Tell me how I know anon just wants a big tittied, blond hair, blue eyed woman, with clothes barely covering anything, vaguely looking at the viewer, giving a seductive pose, without just saying it outright?
>>94829009Why are you being such a faggot? I wanted the goyflord to be, you know, a goyf and not some dumb generic human?
>>94829009Personally Id prefer a deck full of sexy dads
>>94829024The typing of the card says Human Scout. I don't know what you were expecting but a Goyf front and center as the 'main character' was never happening. Especially with how nowadays, most people CANNOT empathize with something not EXACTLY like them, so expecting a monster man is silly.>>94829045Sorry, but unlike what that other Anon was accusing, I'm not a fag. In fact, generally I hate most other men, so the thought of being attracted to one makes me gag.
>>94827225I think it's okay. I'd probably put it in my Archelos deck but not much else.
>>94829071Yes anon, and I don't particularly care. It's a bad choice on an otherwise cool card and I won't be running it for that reason. They could have done a million things to make it more palatable, but they chose not to.
>>94829071>In fact, generally I hate most other menyeah youre definitely an AGP troon
>>94829071>the type is human scoutSeems like anon is bemoaning that very fact. Calm down child
>>94829045If I didn't already have a full pack of 15 decks, I'd 100% make a daddy deck.>"Why do all of your creatures look like you?"
>>94829097You wish, it would make things so much easier for you if I was. As it stands, no. 100% non-trans, nor do I ever intend to.
>>94829132Thats what they all say(Until they troon out)
>>94829132>As it stands, no.lol you definitely wanna troon out, fag
>>94829132Methinka thou doth protest too much.
>>94829153>>94829161>>94829180Why did I even bother replying? No matter what I said, you guys would either insist I am a Troon or that I would Troon out. Pointless, should have just let anon seethe. Whatever, last (YOU) y'all get from me, further replies are just baiting.
>>94829219Sure thing troon anon. What decks do you play? Presumably bad ones.
Enough troonposting. Rate my "activated ability tribal" list. It usually wins through combo but it can go wide if need be.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dont-tazri-bro/
>>94829264Dies to cursed totem/10Also, the fuck is this?
>>94829132when will this poster realize this pops up if you've already filled out several captchas, revealing him as a samefag and/or spammer?
>>94821926I aim for 5 and usually get 3 or 4Maybe my budget is too low to be a 5 hahaI've certainly made a few decks for $200 that shine above my others though that don't feel like 4s
I bought a mana vault for my try hard deck. Best ways to bounce or untap it.In good color of course (izzet)
>>94829533Gosh I wonder if blue has any ways to untap stuff. Vaults just a ritual btw you don't untap it unless you're a fuggin GOOBER
>>94826234>>94826289>trippfagging and walls of text defending his actions
>>94829560True but why wouldnt youIm going to untap it with this
>>94829638Because unless your deck is specifically looking to tap/untap stuff you're adding a card that really only shines if vault is out
>>94829700Referring to welder? I think welder is great regardless.I wont run Aphetto Alchemist cause it would only be for vault
>>94829264The Companion Mechanic in EDH is Gay/10.I run Zirda as the Commander for an Activated Ability Goblin Tribal deck.
>>94828586These the Aetherdrift precons?
>>94828586i hope to see the stocks i have in vehicles cards go upor go down because they will just reprint whatever
>>94829977This post has a variety of issues, but at the end of the day, I wish you luck.
Does anyone else not like going on FNM?It's so crazy and sweaty.
>>94830116Idk i need to find an lgs to play at
I like the idea of playing "multiple cardtype tribal" but i don't know which commander is better for it. They all have problems>Baba Lysaga is too all in on the commander, if she gets removed like twice you just lose the game because the deck doesn't fucntion without her>Rendmaw kinda has the same problem and he's 5cmc so even worse>Winter is generally just good but also kind of boring since at the end of the day it's just a reanimator deckI guess Korvold would be the best pick? He doesn't suffer as badly from removal because he can discount himself but he also just doesn't seem that good either
>>94830180> image for microscopic organisms
>>94830180Something went wrong wiht my image, lets try again
>>94829275Nobody at my table runs runs cursed totem. She seemed fun. I enjoy goading things and the card draw is just gravy.
building a cedh deck with this bitch
>>94830202>Tutor Opposition Agent>Laugh
>>94830213that is the plan
>>94830180I had a lot of fun playing baba but it's definitely all or nothing not that golgari can't keep something around but when you already want to include so much that gets annoying
>>94830220Its also just worse in my case because nobody runs creature destruction in my table, it's only exile or prison enchantments like imprisioned on the moon/lignify/oubliette/etc. I've given up on anything that tries to protect the commander by reviving it or giving it indestructible, because it just doesn't work.
What happens if 2 people both have an opposition agent?
>>94830416Whoever played it second controls whoever played it first while "they" are searching
>>94830180>>94830185That is the smallest image I have ever seen. Holy shit. How did you even find that? It's 9 bytes!
>>94830234>3 enchantment based removals>against a deck with green in itNaturalize, Nature's Claim, Force of Vigor and like 100 other green instants destroy/exile enchantments
>>94830196I was mostly laughing at the fat squid bitch. Keep on keeping on, if you want specific feedback you gotta ask specific questions.>>94830202Gotta run chains. And keep in mind enchantments and artifacts will utterly fuck your day.
>>94830218And you intend to let 3 other cedh decks get a free Demonic Tutor before you get one? Your opposition agent with never hit the field because every deck will have either grabbed a wincon and will win on their turn or grabbed interaction and btfo'd your "clever" (read as: most obvious shit imaginable) play
>>94830433I honestly don't know exactly what hapened>>94830437Yeah, and then you add a bunch of those to your deck only for your commander to get exiled. Trust me, i've gone down this road and adapted to my meta by just adding a lot of hexprof/shroud if i'm playing a deck that REALLY needs the commander. But yeah, it also has made me give up on decks that don't function without the commander like Baba Lysaga, which is a shame because i really like her
>>94830180Baba Lysaga is genuinely a shit commander. Every time i have played against her its the same thing, whoever's playing her runs a bunch of shit cards because they have multiple permanent types, sacs a few times and drains the table for like 16, draws a million cards and then just durdles around and loses.
>>94830447>Gotta run chainsI see it in other lists but honestly I don't really know why it's there. Other than just being a broken card, it doesn't seem to synergize.>>94830453gee if only there was some other way to tutor for cards than tapping out for maralen and passing
>>94830581>4chan flipped my imageSasuga. One sec and I'll shamefully repost.
>>94830581get all those fucking planeswalkers out of thereall you need is narset to strip hands
If it's upside down this time it's the way it is.>>94830624Anon, do you know how the deck works?
>>94830654Total nigger alert
>>94830654based polykraken enjoyer, I'd only swap out counterspell and negate for fierce guardianship and an offer you can't refuse
>>94830654yes I have this exact urza poly kraken deck on my desk right nowit's pretty much exactly the same except I run tidespout tyrant and keys instead of those useless planeswalkers
>>94830716>>94830714Thanks anons! I dont like fierce guardianship because it only hits noncreatures. I guess negate is more or less the same, but I find I mostly need to deal with creatures and have many ways to deal with other things. That being aaid, negate or mystical dispute is going to be mindbreak trap at some point. I dont like offer, despite conventional cedh wisdom. Every time someone offers me I win the game. I'd rather spend the UU for a conditionless counterspell.
>all my decks are too powerful for my pod except for one>they hate playing against the one because its "control"
>>94830721Post it? Labjace is a wincon, narset is great, tezz is a wincon a ritual and a tutor, and I just got null rod today, so maybe k4rn can come out. K3rn is just there to make cheap bodies and I havent really found anything at a better rate; it easily could be cut. Any suggestions?
>>94830758you don't need wincons. You just stop your opponents from playing the game. Actually I do run tezzeret in my list.Here are the cards I run that I don't see in your pic:>emergence zone>city of traitors>manifold key>trickbind>impostor mech>power artifact>voltaic key>crystal vein>tidespout tyrantI've largely cut out the less efficient stax pieces and only have narset and tezzeret. Everything else is the same.
>>94821926>What power level do you aim for building a deck?7>What does it actually come out as?5.5-6.5>Why is it always 7?A few reasons. Firstly, rating inflation makes people treat 1-10 rating systems as if they are 5-10. You see the same thing with rating people, 7 is the "safe" way to say you aren't attractive but not outstandingly ugly either. Secondly, that is around the power level where you either need expensive cards or infinite combos to push ahead and most people don't want to do that.
Could you make a competent Neheb deck on a $75 budget? Trying to challenge my self budget wise, I figure he ends up being multiple combats and big X burn spells
>>94830841>imposter mechSeems spicy. Do I need to crew it before I sac it to polymorph?>emergence zoneI have borne for the same thing and it draws a card.>city of traitorsOn my list after the crypt ban, it's been hit or miss in testing but it plays like that in legacy. What's your experience?>power artifactDont like it personally. I was running it but it's only searchable off muddle the mixture and is otherwise a dead card. Rings can at least be tutored by tezz.>keysThis deck used to be teferi stasis, so I ran all the untappers. They seem to be coming back in style, but it makes me a bit more vulnerable to my own null rod shenanagains.>crystal vienNot my schtick, though I have considered it.>trickbindI guess stifle could be this. How does it play? I feel heavy on 2 drops.I appreciate your point of view, but I understand things a little differently. In the tournaments I play, a lock is never going coast to coast. Either they resolve and I slow people down for a few turns, or they get countered and people have less interaction for my combos. I play it like a tempo deck, not a stax deck. The goal of my deck is to be as consistent as possible. There are very few points of interaction that actually matter to my gameplan and I cant pivot around. Because I dont have the density of tutors as other decks, I try to out value my opponents by going a bit bigger, a bit less restrictive, and a bit more resiliant. This is how other formats metas adapt over time and it seems to serve me well, but it relies heavily on me knowing what my opponents run, or being able to tabletalk my opponents to find their wincons.
The best duo color decks run either Black or Red and one of White, Green, Blue.Based: Izzet DimirGreat: Gruul, OrzhovGood: Golgari, Boros, SimicBad: Rakdos, Azorius, Selesnya
>>94831073why is grixis so shit then?
>>94831073Gruul is among the worst my friend. Please refer to the official chart.
How do I build OPs pic as a commander deck? Preferably mouse tribal and very budget. I mean literally a 20 dollar deck max. Just want tips and tricks or what to search for on scryfall to put together the deck. Or mechanics that synergize with him. Should I jsut fill my deck with a mix of big creatures and tiny cheap haste attackers?
SpellslingerBros, I can't decide on if I want to make a Jeskai, Grixis, or Temur Spellslinger deckLeaning towards Jeskai because I like the powered up combat angle and I think Kykar is a really cool commander (and I have a Flooded Strand lying around) but I also like Anhelo because I think Saccing creatures to copy spells is cool. Temur is mostly Kalamax who looks like fun with him wanting to swing as a big creature. Any input on this? I'm trying to keep the deck not complicated stat tracking wise with things like Storm and such. Right now Kykar with a focus on token combat seems fun with cards like the new Narset, Balmor, Bria, ect.
>>94831124>how do I do something impossible? Try your best, then reevaluate.
>>94831085> grixis> 2 colorsAlso grixis is great.I bet you think bant is good
>>94830965vehicles are non-creature artifacts any time crewing or another card doesn't explicitly turn them into a creature, which ostensibly protects them from sorcery speed creature wipes
>>94831124>Trying to build a three color deck on $20 in 2025Just buy the Family Matters precon for $40 since he is the second commander in that prebuilt deck.If you still contest this then I would personally use EDHRec searching him and then under Budget clicking $ instead of $$$ to get expensive options filtered out
>>94830965impostor mech is mostly for copying drannith magistrates or dauthi voidwalkers or grand abolishers. I've never polymorphed it.emergence zone is worth running even with borne imo. It's not a tap land and still taps for colorless so it's low cost to include.power artifact is fair... I might be swayed just because it's expensiveI wouldn't swap stifle for trickbind, but my list probably leans more colorless and doesn't feel the colorless mana as much so it ends up playing like an better stifle
>>94831133I run izzet but I am tempted to try temur
>>94831124>20 dollar deck maxMan I cant build a deck where any card is less than 20Whered that trip nigger goI built the tombstone stairwell list with yawn yawnsen
>>94831111I want to love Gruul, there are so many things about the identity I love but the only commander in those colors I actually enjoy is pic related. Ruric seems like a really fun grug brain commander but was totally boring. Wolverine looks really fun but I don't really give a shit about Wolverine or xmen so I might make a proxy.
>>94827944Look up some popular Commanders on EDHrec and proxy a deck of one you think you'd like to play, play some games and find out what you like and don't like, then start building some serious decks once you have the rules and gamestyles you want to play under your belt.
>>94827944>How do I get into commander/mtg as a whole?Go look at preconstructed commander decks and buy one that looks or sounds cool to you. You have a lot to choose from so any strategy you can think of probably has a precon you can buy for it.Maybe look up gameplay of the deck on youtube before you buy it to make sure you are ok with the decks gameplan
>>94827944>Complete mtg noob. How do I get into commander/mtg as a whole?Open a new credit card
>>94830654I wish I had an Urza player at my pod. Dumping Vandalblast on this deck must feel like some 10/10 hardbody bitch emptying your entire shaft from stem to bow.
>>94827944All these people telling you to just jump right into commander at the beginning are the absolute worst people to play with, I can guarantee you.Play Arena, then once you're semi competent with it, throw in using ctrl to activate full control mode to hold priority. Scryfall/Gatherer every card you're unsure how it would work.
I don't know why people say that commander is a good entry product and just ignore the sheer fact of how many people are starting to play in the commander erathe truth is (once you're over the basics) having a single card to contextualize your deck is an extremely powerful learning tool
>>94831379>having a single card to contextualize your deck is an extremely powerful learning toolIt also teaches you to think about the game wrong.
>>94831399It is the game now for better or for worse
>>94831264Really? I find the average deck runs way more artifacts. Especially 4c abominations.
>>94831379No it's not lmao>the truth is (once you're over the basics) having a single card to contextualize your deck is an extremely powerful learning toolHow come 99% of commander-only players never learn the basics then?Also it's literally impossible to learn the game in singleton-no-sideboard because you can't learn to pilot any decks since singleton isn't stable, and you can't learn to build decks, and you can't learn how to assess decks and how you should play against them because they're also singleton, and you can't learn how hate effects your own deck because no sideboard.
>>94831441You will demonstrably be a better EDH player if you learn 60-card first. It’s not a question of which is the “correct” way to play, it’s that always having your commander teaches new players bad lessons and results in them devaluing removal and other cornerstones of the game. And it takes a lot longer to learn those things correctly if you’re primarily engaging with the game through a four-player free-for-all with 100 card singleton decks.
>>94831379Commander is an awful way to teach people about magic. It reinforces the exact wrong lessons, few of the skills are transferable to other formats, it requires a massive commitment in terms of cardpool and budget, players are often supremely faggy and stifle new players growth, and very few of the skills are transferable. Like you can't play commander then sit down and play pauper while maintaining any of the fundamentals between the two. Card evaluation is already fairly difficult, and in commander you have tards justifying literally anything in the most convoluted ways possible.The reason most people start with commander is because buying playsets feels bad, especially with expensive cards. Not only that, but they're some of the only half-decent preconstructed products out of the box. You can always tell commander-only players when you ask them a few simple questions about either card evaluation, or proper deck building.
>>94830180Rendmaw seems fun but at the same time playing a 5 mana artifact creature commander is just asking for trouble
>>94831532>>94831514>>94831463>>94831399There's nothing wrong with ignoring non-Commander formats. Commander is a much different format from the others. There are only a few skills one needs to learn like the concept of combat tricks and interaction timing and these can be learned by just watching some youtube vids and playing against a competent deck. Just read the basic rules and learn the phases and how the stack works and you'll be fine for 90% of the situations you'll ever come up with, and finding solutions to the other 10% is just a Google search away. If you guys want people to play Commander like it's a sweaty competitive format, go play one of the other formats. Just admit you all are burnt out on Commander and want to go play Modern or Standard but refuse to for whatever stupid reasons you come up with. 99% of players don't want to become cEDH tryhards.
>>94831564If you lean into artifact Creatures more than enchantment ones you can hide Imotekh in a Rendmaw deck to have some back-up.
>>94831601>If you guys want people to play Commander like it's a sweaty competitive format, go play one of the other formats. Just admit you all are burnt out on Commander and want to go play Modern or Standard but refuse to for whatever stupid reasons you come up with. 99% of players don't want to become cEDH tryhardsThe fact you're making this point at all shows you lack the knowledge required to know what you don't know.
>>94831514I don't think format has anything to do with it I think the people you learn the game with has more to do with how quick you learn it. Commander definitely has more "DnD but with Magic cards" players but that is more the group you are playing with than the format you are playing still.
So i have a pile of clone creatures i'm not using anymore, pretty much every single greature clone there is and i had a somewhat schizophrenic idea of how to use them. Basically, i build a turboramp big creature deck with pic related at the helm. The idea is that i clone him multiple times to trigger his ETB, and i never vote for myself. Meaning my opponents will either let me draw cards, or slam something onto the table, which might be another clone to repeat the process. And even if my opponents get to cheat something big into play, i can just clone it. Am i cooking?
>>94831662okay there confucius
>>94831601Sure, there's nothing morally wrong with ignoring other formats. But you'll be a worse player if you start with EDH than if you start with 60 card, and it'll take longer for you to catch up.>these can be learned just by watching some youtube vidsOh, dear, you actually believe this, don't you?
>>94831725>Simic>But it seems in a very nonfaggy way>except it's UBThe moment this gets an UW printing I'm on it, but very good deck idea anon.
>>94831778And the cherry on top is it is one of the race swapped UBs
>>94831601Follow this advice to make Power 5 decks that you insist are a 7, and be butthurt at Power 7 decks and screech that they're cEDH.
>>94831785Tolkien is swill anyways, if WOTC pulls out a Trailer Park Boys UBSL NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT, then and only then will I question my scruples.
>I'm going to the LGS to buy JUST a Boros charm.>Walk out with 30 extra dollars worth of shit.Take me to jail giant woman.
>>94831745It's true. You're at the very begining of the curve, mount stupid, and your advice is actively detrimental to people less informed than you are.
>>94831795Same thing happens to me. I walk in looking for $15 of foils and leave with like mh3 packs, and some sleeves, and some other bullshit that'll put the bill over $100.
>>94831773>Oh, dear, you actually believe this, don't you?We know killer, youre a magic prodigy, the best there was and ever will be, and you immediately grasped the game the moment you played it and Garfield himself has asked you for card building advice.But for everyone who isn't a fucking God like you, videos with people explaining rules, showcasing underused cards and why they're good, and playing games explaining their plays and showing how the game flows is useful for the rest of the population that isn't the world's greatest Magic player like you are.The sheer amount of cringe some of you neckbeards exude in these threads is hilarious.
>>94831879Goddamn anon, quit projecting. I'm not even that anon, but I worked extremely hard for a very long time to become good at magic. Quit being such a whiny milquetoast faggot.
>>94831994>I worked extremely hard for a very long time to become good at magiclmao it's a childrens pay to win trading card game
My baral deck is ready to go. Im pretty excited for this one
>>94830750how about you work extremly hard for a very long time to become good at magic and better at deck building, so your decks suit your group better?
>>94832010Yes, your opinion is very obvious from your first post, and wont be considered further. Like I said, you dont even know what you dont know; the king of mount stupid.
>>94831795Fuck this bitch.I put her in a deck with Cathers Crusade.Little did I realize it was not a may, not was is opponents only.Nothing more embarrassing than having to exile Cather's Crusade to stop you from exiling your own entire fucking board.
Wow why is everyone so mad tonight? Did everyone get cyclonic rifted in their last game?
>>94832123Nah, it's just el tardo getting rustled as always.
>>94832095>up to onenext time chose 0
>>94831879You're being butthurt and dramatic. The reason why watching videos on youtube is a poor way to learn Commander is because it's not representative of most pods you'll play "in the wild".Youtubers and the like will run dramatically less removal because they're trying to keep their games punchy and mostly revolving around *cool moments*. You'll even here some of them post game talk about how they had answers to what normally won the game, but didn't play then to keep video run time down.They're also normally quite incestuous pods, in that they're playing against the same people over and over, and those people gravitate to certain types of play.Both will be factors that will inhibit your learning curve in actual live play.
>>94832186... shut up
>>94817890>make it playset legal again, which card would it be?You can't have multiples in an EDH deck, tripfag-kun
>>94828922Why magic always do wommy warriors I cant self insert with this commanders.
>>94832338Just troon out.
>>94831111I like this.What do you think of picrel?
>>94832338Hey retard, you're not your commander, you're this guy:How's Krenko gonna cast Blasphemous Act if you don't cast it for him retard?
>>94832431Like I said when it was last posted, pretty much perfect. Great job anon.
>>94825587>Black has far better options than this for sac outlets>>94825791>It does literally nothing>>94826258>Thraben Doomsayer, a 3 drop for (1) and WW which generates tokens at a snail's pace>>94826591>if it was a 1 drop tho>>94827968>Because better recurable sac fodder existsholy COPEwhat a pathetic bunch of responsesthis card makes nine (9) rectangles for 3 mana you retardswhy are you posting some dogshit card that needs to tap to generate a 1/1 and dies to a lightning bolt?What are these supposedly better cards?Thats not what a fucking sac outlet is.What a gigantic L for /edhg/
>>94832486Begone standard faggot. You are the lowest on the totem pole.
>>94832431I hate Tokens because I hate the Doubling Season + Mondrak + Anointed procession tax just to make one.Is Group Slug such as Valgavoth usually met with dismay?
>>94828922>Is she good?Not really enough support for what she is trying to do IMO
>>94832459People forgot that you are meant to be a planeswalker fighting another planeswalker forever ago.
>didn't title it edhg>there are 4 threads upI hate this
>>94832628>Is Group Slug such as Valgavoth usually met with dismay?Most people seem cool with it now, I know when the precon came out people were very exhausted by it (because you'd wind up in pods with multiple of Valgavoth).You're still going to have a target on you (because no one likes being on a timer), but that's part of the appeal of a Group Slug decks.
>>94817890>>94826234>>94826289>doesn't know how to make the general>doesn't know how to title the general>tripfag>massive walls of text self-fellating/defendingyou're already worse than our normal tripfag and you just got here
>>94832685Is Valgavoth the most fun for that archtype in your opinion? What other ones come to mind? Not really interested in Lord of Pain compared to Valgavoth
>>94832628Generally in token strategies all of those are just winmore.The only time a doubler is actually useful is when enables a combo or a net positive to something
>>94832695That is interesting, in that case why are they so expensive? Is it just low supply? Was looking at pic related since the idea of playing Age of Empires in a magic deck sounds funny
>>94832690I'm very new to magic, so I'm not sure. I hear that Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin is basically a better version of Valgavoth so maybe that?
>>94832695if you just go all in with Mondrak in your command zone you can just use your guaranteed access to a token doubler to go for pure value
>>94832709It's the ultimate trap archetype, used exclusively by mid powered shitters to bully newer players. It's bad anon. Real bad, even fully powered.
>>94832628Thank god I cracked a Mondrak and Ojer Taq myself.
>>94832744I mean I'll agree wide combat-matters is something new players struggle against because they don't field wipes and counters; I'm not sure if it's genuinely incapable of being good though unless you compare it to cEDH.Forces players to care about board presence is which is something they might not have learned if they got their start in commander.
Somehow just learned of Glacial Crevasses. What a beating of a card
>>94832459i want to go back
>>94832709>in that case why are they so expensive?Because everyone wants them because they can, ha, double the power if your deck just by being part of the 99
>>94831111Why do you rank 3 colors so low?
>>94831111link the tiermaker
>>94832799You dont get it. All those cards are traps, they dont see play in any format. Going wide has nothing to do with it. The investment in a token doubler means you also need to generate tokens to be doubled. The timing and sequence are very specific. A large board of incremental tokens is far too slow when you can use any one of various overrun effects to win. If you arent comboing off, the required investment is extraordinary for minimal payoff. If you are comboing off, there are much more effiecent ways to do it. Finally, there is only one edh, which is why token doublers are a trap, and used exclusively by low power players.
Huh, didn't see this guy before. Time to be a massive shitter at the table
Speaking of Tokens, anyone have much experience with this guy?
>>94832423no way I just tasted a tight pussy I can never not go straight. Also I play Rakdos, Boros and Simic.
>>94832849>dies immediately
>>94832849Costs alot, but its a "remove this or lose" card.Don't think he's good as a commander, but he's a strong win con
>>94832858Bummer.
>>94832854based normie
>>94832815>>94832744So they aren't worth running then? I believe you but is a good token generator that works on its own just better to put in there then?I don't really care about being high power CEDH I just want to have a good time having my peons build farms and shit proverbially and then swing with some big combat spellHonestly something like Elves might be a more streamlined way of doing that with Tybar or something
>>94832849He is funny in Mishra where you can turn your tokens into a bunch of random artifacts
>>94832870What colour(s) do you want to token in?
>>94832859he works as a commander if you explicitly use him as a finisher
>>94832823The more colours, the shittier the deck because of the saturation of cheap, powerful cards that dont care about flavour or design considerations. Intentional drawbacls are limited as is the design space because most of these decks can do everything. The expensive manabases, the homogenous deck lists, the obviously pushed and otherwise unplayabe cards; they're a mistake all around. Two colours is pushing it, three is too much.
>>94832878Color isn't really important, I care more about the specific commander and if they seem fun than that (which I know isn't the most efficient way to go about building a deck but it is the most fun way IMO) A few that stuck out were Baylan, Tyvar or Lathlil, or Zinnia from the precon. I like creature tokens but not a fan of treasures, food, maps, ect.
>>94832870>So they aren't worth running then?If you run a deck with a commander that can make tokens themselves, or aid in token generation, you should absolutely run a doubler. If you just kinda have a few token generating card, no, you can just go without. You don't need 3, 40+ dollar token doublers just because you have a treasure map in your deck.
>>94832895Should Varina run doublers?
>>94832892I'm an Imotekh fan boy, maybe check him out? He was my first deck and Black cards always seem to have the coolest art.
>>94832870Xyris is a token generator that works all on its own. Effect and payoff and draw all in one.And something like parallel lives in it is completely wasted.I'm not saying doublers should be cheaper than 4cmc but for 4 mana that's like 4 different combat tricks which would translate to like 12 more snakes and draws
>>94832900No, I don't think she needs one. Unless, for whatever reason you want to draw your entire deck.
>>94832913I think it depends on how you build Xyris in this case, anon. If you're doing Wheels and lots of extra draw, then doublers can be extremely good, but if you're going for a more stompy/combat way to force draw then I agree.
>>94832843EDH players are commonly picking cards for decks, not picking a deck for cards. The expense of the token doublers is probably because of the demand for them trying to run every once they can for their color.Timing being what it is and most of them being 4CMC and higher enchantments, you need to be ramping or cheating them out. I think on the high end you'll probably only be running Mondrak, Ocelots Pride, maybe Second Harvest for instant speed. Maybe Adrix and Nev if you're in Simic. Anything else can't possibly hit early enough or stick on the board well enough to work well without massive acceleration. Rhys maybe if you've got a wall of dorks or a discount.The gameplan isn't probably just going to be a wall of dudes new players under-invest in dealing with that, and that's just a backup plan to comboing off.
>>94832895>>94832913So it is more of a situation of either wanting your commander to payoff from the token generators in your deck or using things in your deck to pay off from your commander generating tokens? Makes sense seeing that your commander is a card you will always have in your opening hand.>>94832901Funny you mention him since I am working on a Necron list for 40k but he does seem interesting, not really wanting to do much graveyard stuff since I am working on a deck that focuses on that already thank you for the input though anon, the Necron precon does look pretty nice.
>>94832926Yeah fair. Xyris is such a fun build to try different ways there's so many impact tremor effects now he might as well be nekusar with access to green ramp
>>94832923I was considering Ojer-Taq because it makes her innate token generation way less shitty. 2 mana and 2 cards for a single tapped token sucks.
>>94832870just put them in, they are good for the "fun factor".in truth they just wont help you get your token production going in the first place, and are dead otherwise, and if they are working, they usually overshoot whats necessary to win.but thats just something to consider if you really want to optimize your list, for casual they are good enough, and its fun ooze out tokens
>>94831212How is this a human? It would immediately be slaughtered by any human faction on Innistrad.
>>94832938They even made mini-nekusar for Xyris' 99
>>94832940It could help, I suppose. I'd proxy it and try it out, but she's more or less just a draw engine that just so happens to make tokens.There are already so many zombie cards and other zombie token generators that you don't, or maybe shouldn't, be using her ability to try and mass generate tokens beyond an extra draw or two a turn, since you'll have more than enough other zombies to be drawing a stupid amount as is.
>>94832725Speaking of Ob Nixilis, doesn't Solphim anti-synergy with him due to him needing to deal exactly one damage?
About to proxy 1600 cards
>>94832966That's illegal.
>>94832989Call the copsI don't give a fuck
>>94832940I personally ended up cutting Ojer-Taq from my list for Varina so far (it isn't done) just due to sheer mana value vs what you're gonna get. 6 mana to put it down, then you have to either already control Varina or some other token generator to get use out of it. I kept Mondrak and Anointed for now, but even then, Zombies are so easy to get it isn't that bad.
>>94833002I just did. You're going to wish you had opened a pre-order box that was given to you early instead of what's coming boy-o
>>94832876That actually sounds pretty fun. I've been meaning to put together a Grixis Artifact as a long term project (I figure every set is gonna have new artifacts and those colours will give me good coverage) so I might use this duo as a base.
>>94832966in a row?
>>94833002The Pinkertons are arriving at your location.
>>94833036we'll play a game of magic
>>94833011>Varina so far (it isn't done)How fucking hard is it to make a zombie deck? Post list.
>>94833011Linda>Varina
>>94833070I am excessively choosey and I like using some silly/niche cards mixed with all the leftovers of my Knight deckhttps://archidekt.com/decks/10851369/rise_of_the_lich_queenLike for example, a few cards with Eternalize/Embalm don't seem that good/useful but they become zombies and are "creating" tokens, so my token doublers give me a lot of room to play with it.>>94833076If I end up liking her, I'll probably buy the fancy version. As is, I don't have any connection to The Evil Dead, so it's just a pricier version to me.
>>94833132>Flip the Switch>Compelling Deterrence>Lazotep Plating>Accursed Marauder>Fleshbag Marauder>Overcharged Amalgam>Noxious GhoulI like that your interaction is on theme
>>94833203Thanks, that's something I wanna keep. I could just run more universal or stronger stuff, but I like the way those are.
>he's doing it again
>>94833276
>>94832431>>94831111Uh.. something ain’t right. Also, how does pox win? Creatures that recur themselves? Can Pox blend with other archetypes in mono-black?
>>94833132>I don't have any connection to The Evil DeadFor me it's just that Linda looks like an undead zombie lady and Varina looks like some bitch from Kamigawa
>>94833512You know, that makes enough sense to me. If I like the deck I'll straight upgrade to the more zombie looking commander. Down to 16 cuts left.
>>94833336In legacy/modern, pox is a tempo deck. You hit people with a small pox, dark ritual out a liliana, hope they miss a land drop, then put them in the dirt with loam. In edh, you cast regular pox and combine it with additional stax effects to the same sort of goal. You want to destabilize your opponents, and either build up a combo while they recover, recur your resources asymetrically, or smack them in the mouth while their pants are down. Yawgmoth is good at this; proliferate smokestacl and tanglewire.
Recommendations of which cards to put from collection into the deck?
>oops i accidently shit 8 lands onto the table on turn 4 xD: the cardFuck this little piece of shit, for real. Fucking lands decks dude, I hate every single one of you playing this shit. Tutor tutor tutor search search search oops I have 80 mana and 32 cards, btw my main resource can't be punished and there's like 2 cards that actually stop landfall triggers. oh and I have 22 2/2 zombies behind 3 counter spells. oops you actually did remove an important land let me just revive that three times. I hate land decks and most of all I hate sultai dude. Everyone who plays this shit tells me THEIR SULTAI DECK ISN'T LIKE THE OTHERS and proceeds to absolutely poop lands all over the table and break the game over their back. worst part is you can't even call this shit tryhard because it gets stomped in cedh where it's too focused on ramp, but it's the ultimate degen casual deck nobody can point at you and call you a shit for playing it. It's just simic bullshit with some splash color for a dumb 3c commander, but usually sultai. every single time. im sure some lgs crawling faggot will bravely rush to the defense of his favorite glarb lands pile he continuously rapes normal pods with and claims it's fair. Nope! It isn't. Fair decks play things you can actually interact with. even against combo or massive storm turns I can reasonably interact with stuff on the board they're not using FUCKING LANDS to win. better stax for landfall and tutors when dude I am so SICK of this bullshit. every fucking friday I wonder what news brews people will be playing, and the answer is just a new pile of 100 landslop cards like THIS FUCKING THING.a
What are some fun group slug commanders? I've never built a deck for this archetype and I want to punish value as brutally as possible.
>>94833706Is Braids group slug?
I love this lil' nigga like you wouldn't believe.
>>94833597Thanks, any idea why the infograph discriminates between Discard and Pox? I was under the impression that discard is a huge part of Pox decks.
>>94833597How much should I bother with reanimation? Since I'll be milling myself too
I like the idea of playing pic related as "draw go" azorius asshole flash tribal, but the question is, how does it actually win? In a game of normal magic, you'd just hold the game until you can play something like a Hullbreaker Horror, but that's not really a win-con by itself in a game of commander
>>94833597Does pox target each player or each opponent typically? For example, does this have a place in a Pox deck?
>>94833751NTA but discarding is a subset of Pox, where while discard decks primarily focus on ripping your opponent’s cards, Pox is a more general strategy of walloping all your opponent’s resources so that you can deliver a coup de grâce>>94833835Both are fine thanks to black having great ways to mitigate or even profit off of it’s own destruction. Dusk Mangler is just kinda inefficient even though he’s technically not symmetrical, due to needing a reanimate workaround to his overcosted effect
>>94831111>>948328232 is the correct number of colors to run
>>94831111didn't they used to call those 4 color combos shit like ink? anyway I refuse to use any wotc approved names except to fuck with people - indatha for WBG, for example
>>948340492 is good.1 is Kino.3 is pushing it.Anything else is lame
>>94832823Hipster shit
>>94834091This man speaks the truth
>>94834091I think 3 or more colors starts mandating being a 'theme deck' ; but any color combo can be a shitty goodstuff pile.
>mono black
>>94823855Are you retarded? Genuinely?>>94823911>T*rkirslopGay as well as retarded? That garbage block will never touch my decks.
>>94834370(You)
>>94817890So if I'm thinking about this rightif I have Beamtown Bullies and Putrefax in my yard I give some the Putrefax, they attack, yada yadaAt the end step, since the opponent is the active player, would my ability go on the stack first (must exile Putrefax), then the opponent's Putrefax that I gave them would go on the stack (must sacrifice Putrefax), thus meaning they sacrifice Putrefax and don't exile it?
>>94833687This or Urza's sylex are some good go-toos
>>94834419No.Triggers that happen at specific phases by 2 players at the same time goes active player triggers non active player triggers in turn order. Because it is 'their' putrefax its ability would trigger then yours then stack resolves and its exiled.
>>94834515ohguess I'll go another route for that then
>>94833687Your fault for not winning on turn 4-5. Git gud.
>>94833687Have you tried... interaction?
>>94821926I just pick a theme and a budget. Power level is gay.
