Recon EditionPrevious thread:>>96429089>Legacies: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:Who is your master sergeant?
https://youtu.be/xmH6Bqmo1r4?si=AeU4_v26CakLtq0bLegions for this feel?
How reliable of a resource is epicheresy? I was looking at maybe starting a mechanicum army in LI, so I checked out a couple list building sites and apps but they were all missing stuff listed on EH like the Myrmidons.
I just noticed that you cant use krak grenades are melta bombs against walkers or automata anymore for some reason. So I guess 90% of the use case for those has just vanished instantly.
>>96437767Now you'll actually need dedicated anti big stuff things
>>96437735the purple ones
>>96437789You mean like melta bombs?
>>96437676How is he supposed to fit through the hatch?
>>96437735Horses + Asian = White Scars
>>96437566I didnt say they weren't. What is it with shitposters and not reading.
>>96437767You can at least now just kill the dread or the robot with normal weapons, so covering everything in meltabombs is rather less necessary.
>>96437789That's not actually the effect, because you can use them on knights, titans, vehicles etc, and you can even pen knights with just krak grenades because they hit rear armor, but a sentinel or moirax just cant be targeted because reasons.
Can’t find a deimos rhino for sale anywhere that doesn’t have its price jacked up. Should I just buy a 40k razorback? A support predator? A SoB rhino? Frankly I actually like the deimos design. Mars pattern feels a bit too bland imo.
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Do you intend to place a large order before the price hike?
Got my print order in and started building a gaggle of tartaros. What are y'all working on?
>>96438097I'm currently sending Pinkerton Agents rapidly to your location.
>>96438102I own the Pinkertons, and I asked them to take a break tomorrow.
>>96438097another command squad saturnine in the printer alongside three tacticals for the formation of a fourth squad of twentygonna stamp some grenades out of milliput soon, my crayola stuff didn't pan out so well in a two-part mold but i might have just fucked it up
>>96438097Finishing these. Need to buy the rizzenvoth voraxii too while they're still on sale, these STLs did not properly fitting cables, which lead to all sorts of frustration.
>>96438097Testing out my old airbrush to make sure it still works before I go pick up some Thallax, and pondering Rewards of Treason choices if I did start AL I have absolutely no idea what to pick beyond just swiping Huscarls or similar huge stompy deepstrikers.
>>96437925is the real reason Dorn didn't do anything during the heresy because he was pounding anime pussy?
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>>96438232It's the smugness of Dorn that really sells this image.
Can Alpha Legion take an Excindio with Rewards of Treachery? It doesn't actually have a faction keyword, but it is in the LA army list.
>>96438076GW did me a favor, all the boxes I'd buy are out of stock so I won't be spending a penny. Already was hard to pull trigger and price increase is too much.
>>96437931>>96438232Was Perty's real gripe with Dorn just because he didn't get and pussy?
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>>96438431magnificent
>>96438431Wait, was Perty tsundere to Dorn?
>>96438441One doesn't have complex feelings for cheap whores.
>>96438441oh, huge. >>96438444proving the point with trips to tell
>>96438444>One doesn't have complex feelings for cheap whores, b-baka
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>>96438444>Battle of Phall background>Perty was almost killed by a third echelon IF centurion
>>96438463>Perty was almost killedA 1,300 space marine strike force, with only 44 (14 termies) surviving as far as the Inner Sanctum, and only 1 surviving the entire assault alive (as a prisoner).>third echelon IF centurionThe Captain in charge of the entire 6th Company. He died. The entire 6th Company died with him.He, and they, didn't 'almost kill' Pert, they didn't even wound him. I didn't know Imperial Fists could build Cope this pathetically.
>>96438498>IW faggots coping and seething as usual.I dont even like IF and it's funny. Dont you have a trench to dig so a Ukrainian Zoomer can drop a drone grenade into it while you shit?
>>96438463Perty wasn't the slightest bit afraid of the loser chump that he squished like a bug. He was frustrated by the fact if even a loser chump bug could get all the way to his command bridge successfully, someone 1000x deadlier like Sanguinius or Lion could have effortlessly fought his way into his bridge (and likely killed Perty primarch vs primarch)The Iron Circle was his solution, which proved the correct one as he entirely humiliated Daemon Angron in a brawl with their assistance. The Daemon Angron that literally killed Sanguinius (supposedly the strongest of the 18 primarchs)
>>96438515>explicitly lie about the battle>says others are coping and seething
>>96438529>Explicitly lie about the battleLike daddy Putin does? Lmao.
>IWfags seething about kekking IFfagsNature is healing
>>96438529melon
>>96438571ChaosRat heals all
Man, I've been around since 5th. I don't qualify for a total oldfag. But I've seen HH 0.9, 1.0, 2.0 and now this shit. Oldhammer and 7th (0.9) were fun enough and had a shit ton of experimental flavor. 2.0 was a nice streamline without gutting all the datasheets but still needed a 2.5, and now we got this rushed pile of shit on a three year cycle no less. I hoped some fucking captain would right the ship somewhere, but here we are. No one can be trusted but us.
>>96438498>>96438522>>96438529>delusional and coping IWfagThe IW and Perturabo were going to be defeated and killed by Alexis Polux fleet, and they only survived thanks to the Chaos Gods. The IF retreated in the middle of their final killing blow, and only because they were autists that follow orders to the letter. The Gods briefly allowed Dorn's message about coming back to Terra, so they did it.>b-but John French!yes, cope more. He got to write both accounts of the battle (HH3 Extermination and The Crimson Fist), and they both agree. That's canon.Perty realized it, so he proceed to lock himself in his room and have a tantrum. Only to blame his sons and not himself from having misread the IF and being owned by a lowly company captain.
>>96438584After all the noise and the Legacies PDFs, turns out that HH3 is a sidegrade. Not great, not terrible.The only real cons that remain are the limited retarded loadluts for some consuls, and a few missing units (legion versions of SA tanks, SoS army list)
>>96438586>a no-one nearly killed perty in that battle!!>that didn't happen>BUT OKAY THE BATTLE WAS STILL GOING TO BE LOST!!!You can't just move the goalposts, faggot. Cry harder.
Which is the better game to start, Legions Imperialis or HH 3rd edition?
>>96438624hh 2.0
>>96438601The IW didn't win. He only survived by the will of the Gods and IF being autists.
Just saw this, and I think it goes insanely hard:"Rogue Trader era space marines meet something new -- a war troll carrying two space orks on its back. (Vince Pask cover art for Australian Realms magazine no 3, August 1988) This issue includes two articles with unofficial additions to 40K, the war troll and the Skaven, plus material for AD&D, Gamma World, and Rolemaster."
>>96438584Have you even tried 3.0? It has the best unit and wepon balance out of all the editions. Sure the lost weapon options suck, but how many models with those weapons did you actually have? Assuming you aren't a nomoldels here, which is a big leap of faith.>>96438624No one even talks about Lego© Imperialis.
>>96438638Wrong thread, anon. Post that in /grog/
>>96438624Is there already people playing both systems in your area, or are you going to be trying to get other into the game as well?Do you like large scale open warfare with huge armies clashing against eachother, or do you like smaller snapshots of big battlkes that display the heroics of individuals?
>>96438601Why do all IW fans LARP as a salty retard like Peter Turbo Autist?
>>96438660They see themselves in bitter unlikeable assholes who can't handle the truth
>>96438635No one said they won the battle, retard. Again, you can't just move the goalposts, faggot.
>>96438686You said:>He, and they, didn't 'almost kill' Pert, they didn't even wound himWhich is a lie. Perty was almost killed and was wounded in his ego, a lot
>>96438691>and was wounded in his ego, a lotCan't deny that one, oof
>>96438646A lot of conversion and kitbashes actually.
Am I right in thinking that if you critical hit at Vehicle, the pen test isn't an automatic six since it's not a wound roll, but you do still get the +1 Damage bonus?
So is it worth actually deep-striking elite termie squads that come with it like Crimson Paladins and Huscarls? I'm pondering snagging the former as Rewards of Treason, since they're relatively cheap, extremely tanky and have Line 1, they're like melee Lerneans and having shooty elites clearing the side objectives and choppy elites making plays for hostile home points suits my sense of symmetry. I am slightly worried that they drop on turn 2 at best and can't charge until turn 3, so they inevitably miss at least half the game. I'd get them a Storm Eagle or something but that's an expensive waste of them having DS base.
>>96438790yes, I assume the weapon you're talking about is a vanquisher cannon
>>96438849Not really. It’s as you said, deepstriking melee units basically restricts you from using them for half the game. You’re better off giving them transport.
>>96438691>Perty was almost killedThey were not a threat to his life. They did not wound him, and they certainly did not nearly kill him. The only concerning thing about that situation was that if 44 marines out 1300 could reach his ship's throne room, then a fellow Primarch would be able to, and that might actually be a threat to him. They did not almost kill him. Having your flagship's defenses found lacking does not mean you almost died. You fucking retard.
>>96438850I was thinking more about high BS characters with a Lascannon or something.
>>96439069>still doesn't get that the boarding party main mission was to fix Perty on place, killing him themselves would have been extra while the IF fleet was going to wipe them all anyway in the endIt's hilarious that Perturabo the character gets it but retarded IWfags don't
>>96438981If it was any other unit I'd just go "well, they score" and take two units, rather than one and a transport, but I can't double up on Rewards of Treason anyway, so transport it is. Maybe it would be best to swipe Deathwing or Morlocks instead of Paladins if they have to get in the Storm Eagle anyway, stylish as the Crimson Paladins and their theoretical best-saves-in-the-game are.
>>96439095>still doesn't get that the boarding party main mission was to fix Perty on placeAgain, never said that wasn't the case. Just said they didn't almost kill him, or even wound him. You are so desperate to be correct and smug about it that you're just making up points to 'correct' me on that I never made to begin with, nor hold. It's actually pathetic.
What's the reason why IW are depicted as paranoid, incompetent spergs and is this the reason for their enduring popularity?
I like them, but not the heads.
>>96439120>they didn't almost kill himThey did, without Dorns message he was dead>or even wound himhe was wounded in his ego and thwow a bitch fit for months. Besides dismissing Domitars, he didn't went to report back to Horus out of shame. Fucking Fulgrim had to seek him out with a scheme to rejoin the traitors, lmaoYou're a desperate and pathetic IWfag unable to own your pet faction flaws. Learn from the NL, loser
>>96439159>What's the reason why IW are depicted as paranoid, incompetent spergsBecause their primarch is a paranoid, incompetent sperg and that rubbed off on his sons in the worst way>and is this the reason for their enduring popularity?IWfags don't want to admit it, but yes
Got my Liber Strategia preorder early and starting to browse it, anybody else wants to compare notes? I had a quiet hope that they'll include the updated game rules but it's just detachment and formations.
>>96439182>old style scouts with paned sleevesNice. Unfortunately it's too late and wrong scale to matter to me.>not the heads.Agreed. They should all have mohawks.
>>96435997If you charged they couldn't challenge you. You need a reaction to challenge as the off player and you stunned them.
>>96439187>They did, without Dorns message he was dead1256 died making it to him. The remainder 44 all died, except one, who was taken prisoner. Dorn's messages didn't to shit to avoid that.>he was wounded in his So not actually wounded, got it.All you have done throughout this exchange is make everyone aware of how much of a pathetic must-be-right you are despite being clearly wrong, and how you'll resort to making up arguments to prove yourself right. Utterly miserable, and a waste of time. Final (you).
>>96439409>All you have done throughout this exchange is make everyone aware of how much of a pathetic must-be-right you are despite being clearly wrong, and how you'll resort to making up arguments to prove yourself right. Utterly miserable, and a waste of time. hahaha, industrial grade projection, lol>Final (you)(you) will be back, like you always do, IWtard
How do we get the old HH1 and 2 books? I missed the mega
What exactly do you use an AL saboteur to do this edition? Their meltabomb won't kill a vehicle any longer, even if you are lucky, so are they just a roadblock?
>>96439467I got the Black Books and HH1 here: https://gofile.io/d/huUWLK
Solar auxilia have some of the coolest models in HH, how do they play and can I ally mechanicum to them easily?
If you could pick a new artist to do some illustrations for HH, who would you pick? My choice is Olivier Ledroit. Every single panel he does is a goddamn painting, and I think it would pair very well with the Warhammer aesthetic.
>>96439590False Colours now means a saboteur can't be shot at or charged until an enemy unit passes a int check whilst within 6"False colours doesn't drop until the saboteur shoots something, or after charging and ending up in base to base. Basically a saboteur with false colours up is immune to volley fire and overwatch. He can casually stroll into the enemy army, and charge any tactical or support squad and either keep them tied up in combat, or make them rout and chase them off the board. Either outcome denies shooting and scoring objectives. Keep in mind that a saboteur is a 95 points unit, adjust your expectations accordingly. As fun as it was to have a 100 point unit that could make a over 400 point vehicle disappear, it wasn't exactly fair and balanced.
>>96439767Yoji Shinkawa.More gear autism, less hero wank.
>>96439831You can also just have them sitting on an objective turn 1 and no actual way for the opponent to shift them until they get close enough... at which point they might get charged by a WS5 asshole with a Power Dagger who is going to slowly chew through your Line(3) Tacticals.
>>96438097Finishing assembly on a 20-man despoiler blob for a game on monday
>>96438097Putting the finishing touches on my Master of Signals. Hopefully I haven't overdone the liquid frost this time like pic related.
>>96439934yeah I guess if you like pirates
>>96438423wtf is this kek
A lot of Fists be like>Perty was going to die in that battle! If not by blade, then by his ship being destroyed around himAs if Dorn himself didn't die to chaos space marines during the First Black Crusade. Projection much. Even John French's immense bias can't fix that.Perturabo was indeed wrong for expecting a praise...but he never did get one. So much would have been solved if anyone ever gave him any>>96439204>Because their primarch is a paranoidThe one time he trusted a brother, he stole his soul and became a devil. Being paranoid is the best one could be, especially with all those AL and daemons around.
>find decent deal on MKIVs on scambay>sends a box of nuMKIII>"oops :)"I might have to get a 3d printer just to make destroyer squads.
>>96439934Huh
>>96440069And done, I could do more with the base, but there comes a point with liquid frost that you've got to know when to quit, and I'm there.
>>96439645Fires of Cyraxus....
Why aren't you playing Sons of Horus?
>>96440774i like painting red
>>96440774I'm unironically autistic and I like the Iron Warriors.
>>96440774I'm undecided on what units to build, plus I need to find decent source for bits, mostly the helmets, bolters and axes.
>bought a useless fucking age of darkness box years ago and now I want to collect solar aux instead but already painted a few minis a few years back so I can't just sell the boxFUCK
>>96440829Sell the box anyway. Just include in the seller description "already painted a few models" and sell it at a huge discount. Like $100 or something.
>>96440829Or just, you know, finish painting that box as painting practice and to have a few marines on hand.
>>96440829>40 tacs, 10 termies, 2 HQs, contemptor, and a spartan>"useless"Pick 1
How is Heresy 3.0 doing sales wise?Did it recover or has it flopped?
>>96439831>As fun as it was to have a 100 point unit that could make a over 400 point vehicle disappear, it wasn't exactly fair and balanced.I think this is the better point. The Saboteur will do what 95 pts of character can d- OMG TWO SABOTEURS
Were the solar auxilia with rotary cannons removed from the main books or am I illiterate?
>>96440829>tfw bought the dip and got 2 boxes>can flex into a second legion any time the feeling strikes meAlso got a bag of beakie helmets for $10. I can just throw in a dead space marine for basing anytime I want.
>still no forges of Saturn I WILL RAPE AND KILL KEVIN ROUNTREE
>>96440774I play SA, no gods or deamons for me
How many night lords and dark angels players have you raped since the launch of 3.0, anons?
>>96438646I have 8 different legions, a blackshields force, militia, dark mechanicum, knights and I am currently kitbashing a custom Knight Errant. Go fuck yourself. 3.0 is a steaming pile of shit.
>>96441133It may be, but it's what my playgroup plays.
Back from Nova. Here is the breakdown for what armies were in the events. WS and RG were the endangered species this year, WS probably being that bikes were so bad and hard to use last edition and it's to paint an army of them in a month. RG is probably due to the regulars who usually play it didn't show up.Over all people liked the edition. Main complaints were the gambit system being different and tedious and it being almost impossible to find stuff in the rule book, with a side of some people disliking progressive scoring and others noticing tanks are really hard to take down.Statuses felt like a big deal for the weapons that were designed to inflict them but a smaller deal since it's pretty easy to pass the check to clear them. Apothecaries and Nuncio-Voxes mitigated a lot of statuses for people who brought them.Also there were three lunatics, one was running Ashen Claws(RG rules), another Luna Wolves/IH Shattered Legions(SoH rules), and a third with a Militia list the day after it dropped.
>>96441133> 3.0 is a steaming pile of shit.Finally someone in this thread that is not retarded.
>>96441154Yep, this is sad. All the guys from the group wants to eat spaghetti with shit sauce on top of it so you also need to eat it.
>>96441154GUYS. GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS AND BE THE LEADER."Our one friend is doing all the custom stuff/went back to 1.0/is making a campaign with homebrew. It sounds cool, maybe we should play?" "Yeah he put in the effort and it sounds dope, lets try a game."And then bam, you got the beginnings of the environment you want to be playing in anyway.Stop letting this shit lead you by the nose. It'll be good for the rest of your life if you just nut up and say "Nah I'm good on this." to things once in a fucking while.
>>96441217>"No, I'm good. Not really interested in older editions. Thanks for the invite though!"Not everyone is a golem you retard.
>>96440774I'm waiting on upscaled MkIV, the only way to properly do SoH
so the only legions who should be using MK VI are the Alpha Legion and Raven Guard, correct?
>>96441314no you retard
Is Ligma worth getting into? Found these lads while organizing storage.
>>96441330But...macca said...what?
>>96441332Titanicus is still better but LIgma is also quite fun, although the nee rebalancing book isn't out in pdf yet.LIgma still needs a large dollar investment for functional armies since you need lots of activations to be effective. Terrain is best 3d printed or custom made.
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>>96441227Everyone point and laugh at this massive faggot.
>>96438584HH2e is the worst version of all. 1e you could self police and was fine, 3e needs some 1e reverts and its playable, but not as good as 1e. If you take 1e ROW rules/Deep Strike Rules, 3e core, grandfather in all missing options, and pick missions from any edition you'll have fun.
>>96441357Wow I just have to backport in all the options they took from me again for it to be good. Fuck all the way off. Dumbfuck opinion.
>>96439831Good to know, and thank you. Right now I'm just filling extra HQ slots for detachments and I don't really have any particular favourites at the moment, so maybe I'll give one a go. I already have snipers, so I don't really need a Vigilator or a Moritat. Maybe just a centurion, boring as it is.I do have one second question about rules doing strange things. If I'm reading this right, the Master of Signals' command vox ability ends in the first subphase of your end phase with all other End of Turn effects, and you score in the third subphase. Does this mean that if I have a Line unit pushing an objective and I have the MOS swap it to Vanguard 1, they can score a Vanguard point for clearing the point of enemy units and will then swap back to their usual Line right before the point is scored, netting me both from the same unit in the same turn?The jank part here is that if you do the opposite, and try to add line to a unit, the Line seems like it wears off before you score anyway, thus making it completely pointless. It might end at the end of the round, instead, since they renamed rounds to turns for no reason whatsoever, but it's not exactly clear.
>>96441314hi macca
How did IF feel about Destroyer Squads? They don't seem like the bunch to deploy "dishonorable" war crime squads.
Why do none of the primarchs fly
>since 3.0's launch my local's HH's page has had exactly 17 posts.>5 of them were me posting models>4 of them were vapid replies>the rest were casual comments about the legacies pdfIt's ogre
>>96441411Fists love bolt weapons. Destroyers get TWO bolt weapons and they get to use them both at the same time.Yeah, they use them and they're never short of volunteers to join those squads.Anyone caught being unfisty is punished by being forced to carry the squad heavy weapon or - worse - volkites or hand flamers.
>>96441425Every primarch flies if you hit them hard enough.
I'M GETTING RAPED
>>96441372As opposed to playing an old edition no one wants to? How hard is it to remember a Master of Signals could get a powersword? This isnt exactly rocket science levels of remembering options.
>>96441460Let me guess, world eaters?
>>96441425>
>>96441485No fly. Jump good.
>>96438646>best unit balancethere's a lot to suggest that isn't the case already and no it isn't something that would have been figured out already. >best weapon balanceprobably because they all do the same inoffensive shit revolving around retardedly low AP and bizarre damage obfuscation. The game does not feel fun to play and never will.
>>96441490kek
>>96441425Sanguinus?
>>96441490By that metric does Sanginius even count? He no fly, he magic
>Pssht... Nutting personnel, inductii...
>>96441527>bolter snipersthis is so retarded
>>96441437Is there a source? The unit description says the these squads were mimicking enemy's tactics from the Unification Wars. It really sounds like the anti IF unit, despite duel wielding bolt weapons.
>>96441532Makes headshots cooler, though. And in the end, isn't that what it's supposed to be about?
>>96441532why? bolt rounds are supposed to be rockets with flatter trajectories
>>96440774I’m a bitter prick, so it’s IH for me.
Blood Angels be like>They have rejected the Imperial order we ourselves have refused.>Today is a Day of Revelation. We shall launch our entire legion in multiple, simultaneous deep strikes. We shall overwhelm them, we shall leave none alive.>Oh shit, these guys can point their guns upwards.>We are left no choice. Today is a Day of Sorrow.
>>96441684Are they retarded?
>>96441717Who isn't
What were the blood ravens legion up to during the HH? Just played dawn of war
>Which of the legions at my command is best suited for a frontal assault on a fortified position?>I know, the Raven GuardThis guy got named warmaster?
Thousand Sons be like>Our uncontrolled warp powers turn us into flesh abominations>Today we'll prove everyone wrong by using warp powers>Oh shit, we're turning into flesh abominations again>We are left no choice but use our warp powers more >Oh shit, we're dust.
>>96441227>Not everyone is a golem you retard.This, not everyone is going to blindly eat GW's slop.
>>96441742Gay sex, mainly.
Has anyone adapted horus heresy to a more realistic ruleset that simulates fire and maneuver tactics, realistic vehicle damage, etc
>>96441788Yes it's called 1.0.
Iron Hands be like>Our dad got murdered because we were to weak to save him>Also he was weak for getting killed>Today we shall brutalize our own allies for being in our way (weakness)>Oh shit we’re psychotically bitter outcasts>I’m robot
>>96441314canonically, IW and Salamanders had it before RG
>>96441791>no fire and maneuver tactics >no command and control mechanics>hull pointsYeah, no.
>>96441743Anon, it was a power move. The XiXth legion had been Luna Wolves groupies forever. This was an attempt to make Corax his bitch, and it backfired.Remember Horus Rising. Even when he was still loyal, he was a self serving manipulator.
>>96441800They had a prototype that didn't incorporate the beaked helmet. You are a secondary
World Eaters be like >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>96441817Sounds like the most reasonable response to me
>>96441561Nta but I always wondered what kind of pistols were they armed with considering during the unification wars only emps' troops were using bolt weapons and only after the terawatt clan shared those. Must have been some sort of heavy caliber stub pistols or some really rapid firing autopistols.
>>96441465>playing an old edition no one wants to Sorry your spineless group is full of faggots. Nobody in mine gives a fuck about 3.0Get fucking lost.
>>96441788Maybe the Chain of Command version? Never read it personally. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1TPRXtjiBmciM7L425wZhZzLJ5Mv2y_jO
>>96437803He leaves his pauldrons outside the vehicle as stowage
Rumor has it that the 4.0 rulebook will beam a signal into your brain upon opening it. The signal itself is harmless unless you use primaris marines/bits for Horus Heresy, in which case it kills you instantly
>>96441870Based
>>96441870>every single WAACfag who converted a master of signal in 3.0 diesSasuga GW sama, I kneel
>>96441870I prayed for something like this to happen.
>>96441870
>>96441742Theivery mainly. At some point they managed to steal Vulkans Hammer from Perty and, going by the current stats, replaced it with an inferior model.I think they also managed to grab one of the Laer Blades, a suit of armour from the custodes, and I think there's something else from this era they've got no good reason for having haven't they? Was it Guillimans sword?
Is this list stupid or genius?>Provenances = Augmented Levy and Unending Horde>Force Commander = 70 pts>Discipline Master w/ Power Fist = 45 pts>8x Discipline Master w/ Power Maul = 40 pts>9x Levy Troop w/ 30 additional Levies, Bayonets, Frag Grenades, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox>9x Militia Medicae3 000 points exactly and yes it's got no actual killing power but I don't think it's even possible to kill 450 Levies in 4 turns, especially when they come back on a 4+
>>96441938Grulgor's Power Fist, somehow
>>96437676Is there a spray primer that's close to the SoH seafoam green, or a contrast paint?
>>96441870>The signal itself is harmless unless you use primaris marines/bits for Horus HeresyI snuck a few primaris arms onto my guys, even posted pics here
>>96441957Stupid, because you would never paint that many mooks.
>>96441967You will not be missed
>>96441967I'm sorry man.
>>96441969Who said anything about painting them?
>>96441870A book that instantly kills me? I'll take five.
>>96441957>I don't think it's even possible to kill 450 Levies in 4 turnI don't think it's even possible to fit 450 Levies on the board
>>96441837It's probably whatever your headcanon is. I think the implication in the unit description was the that "forbidden tech" at the the center of the squad is what was being copied. Which could mean the dualies retinue were an adaptation by the legions.
>Have a $100 coupon for my LGS>LGS website says there aren't any land raider proteus boxes in stock>Go there myself for a game today>There's seven on the shelfhmm...
>>96442018Kill the store clerk immediately.
>>96441974The ones with arm computers/screens are pretty useful
>>96442018Maybe they don't ship to poor areas.
>>96442028I'm in the same town lol.Like two streets over, at that.
>>96442033Just across the railroad tracks?
>>96441957You are hardly the first to make a list like this and like the rest you will either not complete it or abandon it after the first games for something more fun.
>>96442018Websites for small businesses are usually poorly maintained. Heck, plenty of small businesses don't even do proper regular stock counts.
>The buck-breakers of Istvaan 5
>>96442067It has the same energy as the gentlemen of the ig diorama.
>>96442067
>"Fill his ass with your mass-reactive loads brothers"
>>96442067Nice WB
So which legions are currently doing well in the entertaining-unique-termies competition?I'm returning to the game after not playing since the very end of 1e/seeing dreads walk across the board unopposed in early 2e and they seem to have fixed those being monstrously overpowered, so I'd like to try my hand at some kind of termie-heavy list without forming a giant deathstar, ideally a bunch of 5-mans with whatever delivery system works. I'd rather not go Sons of Horus just for personal taste reasons, so Justaerin are out. The Lerneans and Crimson Paladins look versatile in an interesting way with their heavy weapons, scoring and in one case Deep Strike, but I have no idea how they actually play beyond being very large point holders and the Paladins seem mildly underarmed. Not sure why I'd swap my sarge's EW shield out for a power weapon with -1 to enemy LD, unless I missed a rule somewhere, and they only get two D2 weapons.
>>96442067>>96442089Please don't give the rape obsessed anon any ideas. He's obnoxious enough as is.
>>96442089God the Isstvan V plan was such dogshit. >Hey let's land a numerically inferior force in the LOW ground in front of a dug in fortified position and we'll lamd other forces later >just bomb them from orbit for literally days? Why bother?
>>96442100Lernaean are probably one of the better terminators to spam in 5 man squads. Line 1 build in so they can camp objectives, good choice of melee and ranged weapons, and high enough stats to hold their own against most things an opponent will throw at them.
>>96442067>>96442089>On your knees, bucko. Someone shoulda broke you a long, long time ago. I have nary met a buck I can't chuck with this here long and mighty dingus! I tell ye back in millenium 30 I met a real mean one. He had big, air stealing nostrils, monstrous, boot lips, muscles that rippled under his coal-like skin so it’d look like a nest’a snakes as he’d be twisting here and yonder. T’was an older gentleman, the Warmaster d’ye ken?, that had hired me to break this particular buck. Was some half-dozen breakers what had tried and failed! I tracked this this big-assed baboon, by fallerin’ the sounds of his impressive proud buttocks, clapping as he capered to and fro on yon Isstvan V. There he be, proud as a damn peacock, black Astarte’s body framed by yon settin’ sun, just begging to be broke. I approached from the east, formerly westerly way. Took him unawares as he were sat alone out front a shack, reloadin’ a bolter or some such. Knocking him to his glistening buttocks produced a thund’rus CLAP, and I mounted from the front. I tell ye boy, but that buck began to FIGHT! This unbroken, proud Salamander was ornery I tell ye, but I ain't ne'er been denied, d'ya ken it? I had my cock out in an instant as he scrambled onto his black belly and began ta’ wrigglin’ this way and that. And bucko did he began to wail! As loud as a volcano cannon he were. This buck could tell the breaking was coming, and I tell ye, he did BUCK. This obstinate cur could turn on a dime and give ye some change! I tell ye as the neverborn were my witness, he were a right sunfish, struggling and flopping as he did, gyrating his unbroken black anus and dodging my breaker man’s meat. But he broke, and I finished the job. D’ye ken? That buck broke. Say sorry, boy. But they all break. By Lorgar, Bearer of the Word and the Primordial Truth, now say Gloria Aeterna, boy, you'll break, too!
>>96442101I'm gonna rape your ass, tranny.
>>96442065Yeah that's fair.It's just funny to me because I shop there so much that I generate these coupons every other year and like to get a big kit I need for almost nothing, but the one I wanted isn't on there.Oh well.
>>96442112Void shield generators exist in the setting for a reason. Orbital bombardment wasn't a viable option. Landing too early was the fault of Ferrus Manus. He was so outraged at Fulgrim betraying him, as well as terrified Fulgrim trying to turn him meaning there were signs that Ferrus wasn't loyal enough. The loyalists would have lost either way, if they had waited the reinforcement fleet would have obliterated them in orbit instead of planetside.
>>96442129Go relive the trauma of your dad sodomising your bussy violently somewhere else.
>>96442138>ferrus manus was simply retarded
>>96442151Trannies were made to be topped by men, you retarded fucking transbian. Now bend over
>>96442112Yep, it was all about primarchs and their retarded pride. There was nothing to preserve in the planet, no cities, nothing. Just volcanic wastelands.They should have dropped cyclonic torpedoes from orbit to kill anybody in the planet, and then hunt the traitor fleets. Imagine the IW, NL, WB, and AL having to face fresh IH, RG, and Sallies, with the IF on route and Horus, Fulgrim and Mortarion dead. There would not have been any civil war.But Ferrus was a ragetard worse than Angron, hence the result in pic related
>>96441332these yours? they look fucking awesome
Best part of Istvaan V was the firebrands getting rekt by the guys they hated most. Absolutely shameful. Like the kid standing up to the bully and getting trashed.
>>96442112I've posted entire fucking essays on how dumb all three of the loyalists were, but Ferrus Manus especially, that day. The fact that none of them had any fall black plan for further treachery is the real headscratcher. It's unbelievably dumb that they wouldn't have had at least some kind of plan for the Night Lords at least. Even if they obviously wouldn't have a plan for all four of their reinforcements being traitors.Corax at least should have had a fallback plan, he's supposed to be the sneaky guy and here he just isn't. Ferrus is so mad his brain has left his body and he wrote their battleplan in crayon and Vulkan is to be frank, an engineer more than a general. But Corax has no excuse.They're so dumb it actually hurts Horus's rep since his plan for Istvaan V actually turns into a Batman gambit because they've acted so dumb and it's not really reasonable for anyone, least of all three of supposedly the greatest generals in the galaxy to have acted that way. Yet his plan is largely predicated on them doing so.I'm not even going to get into the long diatribe about how dumb it was trusting the Night Lords of all people, I've made it so often.The only guy who comes out of this looking intelligent on the Loyalist side is Rogal. Who appears to have deliberately set things up so his consigment get's "lost" and appears just late enough to work out who was loyal and who wasn't and peace out back to Earth. Like, he suspected EVERYBODY and set things up so that at least he'd have a fairly good idea of just how bad things actually were.Presumably he gave the Lion the benefit of the doubt, and the same to Roboute because he's fucked either way if Guilliman's on Horus's side.As it was, it sitll looks like he's 1 legion against 8, plus the Mechcanicum just went full Civil war, with their leader on Horus's side.
>>96441561Me. I'm the source. If you don't trust me then don't use them.
>>96442067>>96442089WB Thugs: All right, you want it in the chest, or the head?Joe Sallie: Yeah, that's what your Cyrene Valantion said.WB Thugs: Hey, would you stop with the Cyrene Valantion shit?Joe Sallie: Ask me how fat she is.WB Thugs: Fuck you, man! How fat is she?Joe Sallie: She's so fat I had to roll her in flour and look for the wet spot. Motherfucker, if you wanna fuck her you gotta slap her thigh and ride the wave in. Now I'm not saying she's fat, her high school picture was an aerial photograph.
>>96442185>The fact that none of them had any fall black plan for further treachery is the real headscratcher.Up until survivors from Istvaan III warned the Emperor of Horus' betrayal, the very hypothesis that marines could turn against the Emperor and Imperium was thought impossible. Even marines who dared suggest the possibility risked censure and punished. It doesn't seem too far fetched that even after Horus' initial betrayal being revealed, the thought that more could have turned traitor wouldn't have crossed anybody's mind.
>>96442067>forgot the inner pauldrons on the cataphractiiYou blew it
>>96441166MilitiaCHADS win again, in spirit if nothing else
>>96442169Maybe they had to capture Horus? They also began Prospero with a capture order that got swapped to a Kill order, and look how bad it went.As in, I fully realize exploding the planet was 100% easier and safer, but one is forced to come up with literal excuses as to why a land assault was not only convenient, but necessary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯>>96442185The Raven Guard exists outside of stealth only. Whenever you want to reason what a special ops soldier should do, remember strapping a jet engine to your back and knives to your fingers is a completely valid answer
>>96442232Rogal's actions seems to suggest he at least was thinking about it properly. Plus, these aren't rank and file, these are the Primarchs. They've been fucking bickering back and forth for most of the crusade. Hell, you say that when it's well known that Leman Russ's big job is to take down other rogue legions.Hell, isn't it strongly implied that's what happened to the 2 missing legions?
>>96442232plus at the time nobody was quite sure WHY horus and co. had rebelled, iirc in massacre one of the popular theories was that he was under some kind of nebulous 'xenos influence', so maybe they might have even wanted to try and capture horus to reform him or something?
>>96442250The lost legions weren't exterminated entirely. UM saw a suspicious rise in numbers around the time the lost primarchs got erased from history.
>>96441743>Hey Corax why don't you send your heavy assault elements to heavily assault this?>ERM HEAVY ASSAULT IS LE BAD TACTICOOL STEALTH STRIKES ARE LE GOOD>So you're saying you can't because you turned your perfectly functional legion into some specops LARPer bullshit?>FUCK YOU HORUS TOTAL TERRAN DEATH
>>96442169And this is why primarch fans should be killed
>>96442277wasnt this just some rumor said in a BL novel once, not exactly ironclad confirmation
>>96442271That too. Outside of the Emperor, Malcador, and maybe a small few confidants, nobody really knew about Chaos or the threat that it was. Such a shame that Chaos' influence is so poorly explored in the HH novels. Instead of lovecraftian tier existential threats we got nothing but daddy issues.
>>96442277It's confirmed in the HH novels, Dorn and Rowboat suggested because the Marines apparently hadn't fucked up (only the Primarchs) that they absorb them into the IF and UM and Emps agreed on the condition they mindwipe everyone who knew about that (including Dorn and Girlyman)
>>96442281He said, while ignoring that he build his own legion to specifically do linebreaker speartip strikes
>>96442277>>96442288It was confirmed in a short story, The Chamber at the end of the memory:https://i<dot>4pcdn<dot>org/tg/1550111812756.pdf
>>96442316Looks like I'm getting my gift card from James, thanks anon
>>96442304Yeah the books weren't a terribly creative affair, were they
>>96442316That's some nice dolphin porn.
>>96442323It's mostly a symptom of the HH series being ballooned from a planned dozen or so novels to fucking 50+. But tbf you do see glimpses of it in stuff like Slaves to Darkness
>>96442304Wasn't chaos itself kind of weirdly weakened at that point due to the fall of the Eldar? That was what enabled the Great Crusade to happen in the first place wasn't it? There was a new god in town and everything was unsettled?
>>96441742they aren't a legion, they are a chapter which were only formed after the Horus Heresy by breaking the legions up into smaller forces. There's some debate over which legion's geneseed they are based on usually betweem the Blood Angels and Thousand Sons but the truth is that GW barely considers them canon enough to set anything in stone so it's up to the player.
>>96442323>>96442344these plot points were set in stone many years before Horus Rising and the rest.
>>96442356The warp was more calm, but not sure if it was weakened. Though the knowledge of Chaos being suppressed and denied by the Imperium did apparently weaken them somewhat. But not enough to stop the 4 chaos gods from teaming up, breaking through all the protections surrounding the primarchs' gestation pods, and scattering them across the galaxy Fuck Erda, she isn't canon.
>>96442173Indeed, thank ye. Looking sick yourself
>>96442374Nothing was or is set in stone outside of Horus rebelling. Not even what is written in the BL books is set in stone for the BL books that follow.
>>96442323I dread what the novel revisiting Istvaan V is gonna bring...>>96442403In the novels Istvaan V was called a strictly legions only affair, but on the cover art of the new upcoming novel about Isvaan V you can see wrecked titans. So that's already a retcon.
>>96442175FUCK Legio Mortis
>>96442189I don't trust you, your source is some random random nerd who wastes time on 4chan.And I will use them. IF have unit marking for Destroyers in the liber. But I still don't have a reliable source on their attitude and conditions they'd deploy the squad. It's only implied they haven't outright forbidden their usage.
>>96442419The Black Book put Mortis and Atarus (more like Atar-BUST) in there the novels just couldn't figure out how to include them.
>>96442388>>96442356in the Ahriman book the eldar histories suggest that the birth of Slaanesh basically drained the other Gods of power for a time while Slaanesh grew. Kind of makes sense given the other gods lost exclusive rights to the damned to a hungry child and suddenly a little bit of Khorne's domain got usurped since now pain inflicted in war feeds Slaanesh instead etc.
>>96442419I don't remember that, but in any case it would be a retcon by FW. Like SoH at Prospero or Custodes in Signus Prime that never appeared in the novels
>>96442458The Black Books were written years after the novels to sell FW resin. Hence they inserting stuff that wasn't never mentioned before, or didn't even belong
>>96442370Wrong, blood ravens got fucked up at the dropsite massacre so bad that their primarch got killed by Horus while trying to loot Ferrus's body
>>96442489>Imperial investigations couldn't tell if the Primarch's corpse was mangled from the crash landing or by daemonic sus scrofa hunting for meatPerty's only real win in the Heresy was dope.
>>96442241He was running chaos ogryn. Good looking list
>>96442590holy kino
>>96442116I might give Alpha Legion a go, then. My only point of hesitation is that it's quite hard to actually move the things around, since even if I had Alphy his outflank only works on a 5+, Deep Strike means they can't charge, Land Raiders are damned expensive since Catas really want the assault transport and Dynat can only infiltrate with non-Bulky units, although at least he can move up a different murder squad.Maybe one squad footslogging for home point, two in Raiders/planes and some kind of ROT squad deepstriking, if I can afford it.
>>96442129you aint quick enough on the draw slick
>starting WE >first time painting white marines>decide to keep it simple and stick to an off-whte rattlecan>fuck how do I shade, MkII covered in recesses>find out light grey panel-liner exists >LGS has it>closed till next FridayFUCK
>>96442629shoot it up?
>>96442624>Anarchist with an Iphone in a hobby that the working class can't pay forEvery. Single. Time
>>96442629get an airbrush anon. Honestly, world eaters are so much easier to paint if you have one.
>>96442629grey...pin wash?
>>96442651i dont think thats an iphone
>>96442641>WE player complains>Anon suggests shooting
>>96442641Don't you mean charge it up? World Eaters get a bonus to charge
>>96442651What is the LRPGF? Just what more letters will the LGBT add
Do these read too much as MK7 or could they be passed off as an offshoot of Heresy-era Armor similar to Sarum Pattern helmets?
>>96442796It's IRPGF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Revolutionary_People's_Guerrilla_Forces
>>96442799Looks recognizably mk7 to me. You do you.
>anons talking about high militia count>(reaping)>(shred)>Phosphex>(panic)Chain bayonet meta? What is the Legions' answer to the meat waves?
>>96442835I don't think there is actually any answer to a list like >>96441957
>>96442813I'll hold off on them then. I've been trying to find more BA adjacent bits while I start my HH army, it's been a pain in the ass, so I'm grasping at straws.>Neither GW nor the recasters have bits scaled for Nu-HH scale models outside of MK VI>3d modellers can't make a decent pauldron for anything but MK VII and MK X>Can't find any 3d scanners on trannygramI wish I had a wife to beat on days like this.
>>96442870Just don't use size creep scale then, anon? Fucking tiny hands and small heads
>>964428505 turns with pure list tailoring?Even with a loss, I'm curious about the potential body count in such a fight.
So this is gonna sound silly. This is regarding detachments. If I fielded just one (1) set of troops from the primary detachment, would that automatically trigger the ability to use the auxiliary tactical support? Or, do I need to field forty (40) troops. Reason I ask, is I’m finally building my 2.0 AoD boxed set that has four squads of ten (10) but I also wanna use my MKIII Boxed set of dudes as well as 3.0 AoD dudes. Thank you for your patience all. I just wanna be able to use all my dudes.
>>96442850>>96442906Night Lords? Fear + flamers
>>96442939I do not understand your question, so I will assume your meaning and make an ass of u & me: You can fill the troops Prime slot in your primary to take Logistical Benefit and grab a Support Squad. If you actually want a whole-ass detachment you need a Command and/or High Command choice.
Do you think terminators should have access to boarding shields?
>>96442974No. The whole point of terminator armour was to replace Mk III and boarding shields for close quarters zone mortalis missions, and do their job way better. It would be like taping a musket to your AR 15.
>>96442974Not really, they already have forcefields for a stronger invuln. The only reason Storm Shields exist is because they're supplemental forcefield generators.
>>96442963Sorry, lemme reword it-Let’s say I have what is needed for the PRIMARY detachment. High command. Command. Troops (in this case, one ten-man tactical squad). Does that give me the ability to use the AUXILIARY DETACHMENT-Tactical Support which has the option of two slots of troops and two slots of support?
>>96443006The only thing you really need in the primary detachment is command and high command choices, as each of those allow you to add an auxiliary to your list. And even that is not enforced by the rules.
>>96442590Goddam, how'd he do?
>>96443017I appreciate that-My main concern was shooting myself in the foot buying too much. I’m just trying to play catch-up on my boxes of shame, trying to make my army make sense, and they just look cool. I could make four 10-man troops of MKVI, a Despoiler Squad of 10 MKIII dudes, a Tactical Support Squad of 10 MKIII dudes with flamers, a Heavy Support Squad of 10MKIII dudes with heavy flamers. I’ll figure out what to do with the MKII Dudes. Currently, I want to field Thousand Sons. I like the idea of Fire wizards
>>96443006Your primary detachment and auxiliary detachment are basically unrelated.Taking High Commands unlock One (1) Apex or Auxiliary Detachment. Taking Commands unlocks One (1) Auxiliary Detachment. Taking units with Officer of the Line(X) unlocks X (X) Auxiliary Detachments.
>>96442983So we should kill people who use breacher squads and terminators outside of zone mortalis unless they have access to deep striking termies for sudden shock assaults, right anon?
>>96443082Breacher squads, maybe, but termies? No. Cataphractii are kind of impractical to use without deep striking or a transport (which makes the shift to tartarus armor reasonable since it can footslog better), but the reason why the Spartan exists is to transport 10 termies across a battlefield for that shock assault.
>>96442974In what way would that be functionally unique to a storm shield in-universe or on the tabletop?
>>96438624Legions Imperialis is definitely a better game, it's an actual wargame and doesn't have nu-GW sensibilities like HH 3.0 because the system comes from the 90's. My LGS sold 15 copies of Liber Strategia on pre-order. The game is popular enough for me to get games.
>>96443078Do’h, I see it now. The line is coming from the Command, not the troops. I get it now. Thank you.
In what order do I consoom HH1.0 books? Original publish order? Red books then Black Books then Exemplary Battles?
>>96443139Realms of ChaosIndex Astartes First Founding/Traitor Legion installmentsVisions of Heresy pre-NovelsFirst 24 BL NovelsBlack BooksThe 2.0 splats
>>96443077Take centurions and you can run all of that no problem
>>96443139iirc the red books are mostly for rules and pictures. The black books are good to read first but you may want to read them in timeline order of events rather than publishing order
>>96443139Start with book 9, then roll a D6 to randomise which book to go through next. Also go through the pages in a random, haphazard manner. If you don't end up full schizo you did it wrong.
>>96442805Wait, "be gay do crime" was for real? LMAO
>>96442835I think a terminator unit in a land raider could do it, unironically :^)
>>96443049No idea, but he won best army theme.
10 Siege Tyrants may be 585 points.It may be a waste.But by god I will use these fuckers in every list!
>>96443176>first 24 BL novelsWhy the fuck would anyone read them??? I read the first three and outside of the first one they were dogshit
>>96443176>Realms of Chaos>Index Astartes First Founding/Traitor Legion installments>Visions of Heresy pre-Novels>>96443183I have already applied >>96443190 to the BL series. I basically don't want my first wargame rules to be HH3.0, so I thought I'd "just" read HH1.0 to get the original battles as well. It appears to be more complicated that I originally thought.
>>96442983Then what about storm shields? In fact those work even without terminator armour! It's crazy and a bit weird>Bayonet on AK-47Bro don't tempt me. I am so sad bayonets are as obsolete today as they are in 3.0 ;__;
>>96443305You are a man of focus, commitment and sheer fucking autism. Tyrants being bad is one of the biggest crimes of 3.0
>>96443379My secret, anon, is that I was painting them when my girlfriend arrived and she complimented them.I can't let a unit that has her blessing stay on the shelf, now can I?!
>>96443105Storm Shield gives 4++, this only gives 5++ so would only give Terminators the Shield trait
>>96442974And here I thought GW scaling was the worst you could get...
>>96442835Phospex, and lots of it!
>>96443384>IW player>GFSomething doesn't fit here
>>96443368Storm shields provide an additional, stronger defensive energy shield generator. First they were only a thing because they had to make up for how shitty indomitus terminator was, but since a lot of people seem to think shields make something cool FW added them to HH terminators as well. I guess it is less retarded than dreadnoughts with shields, at least.
do I go with Emperor's Children or Thousand Sons this edition? psychic powers seem pretty good but i've always had a soft spot for the pretty boys.
>>96443404Wait, I heard storm shields are a 4++ now. So all they do is grant the shield trait so you can pay 1 reaction for +1T.Breacher shield terminators are actually legal now! :D
>>96440774I'm a Maroons supporter.
>>96442941>>96443399
>>96443402I can explain.We are both autistic.She comes over to my place to crochet next to me while I paint.
>>96442156That's the tragedy of Ferrus though, for someone that's been level headed throughout the GC, the one time he lost control was the worst possible time and lead to his downfall.
>>96443443>We are both autisticBro living the life
Anybody have good proxies for Ruinstorm Brutes?Just needs to be something sorta daemonic on a 50mm, right?
And all assembled
>>96443634I'm glad you're happy anon but the detail on those looks really fuzzy.
>>96443634bro those shoulders are fucked
>>96443634looks good beyond the image quality, what the name of the stl's?
>>96443634What the fuck anon, the photo quality is completely cursed.
>>96442138They had the planet blockaded with no (known) traitor backup coming and Dorn's fleet was en route. The siege of Terra was basically the same thing but Horus just bombed the void shields for 2 months straight until they failed
I love jetbikes but I’m never making any more of them after this.Who am I kidding, I’m going to make golden Keshig eventually when I can find some power lances I actually like.Praetorian command squad comes first, though.
>>96443634>Here's your controller bro
>>96443634Nice soap carving skills, anon.
>>96443858I genuinely don't like scimitar jetbikes, both the kit and the end result.Sadly outriders are based off the scout bike kit so I literally threw those away rather than suffer building them so bikes are denied to me utterly. It is in jump packs that I shall take succor.
>>96444077>not relying on your two feet for transport Faggot. Next thing you're going to tell me you use transports too.
>>96444077>Weebshit Feren or whatever her name is image
>>96444090>not using transports so you can decorate the interior like you're making some kind of tactical camper for your squad of spec op-operators like they're still in the boy scoutsIf you're such a brain dead moron you could at least not open your fucking gob so the rest of the world is spared suffering your half wit retardation that sucks everyone else's enjoyment out like a back ally hooker.
>>96444096Who?
>>96444077>so I literally threw those away rather than suffer building them??? Uwotm8?
>>96444122I took unbuilt models that I didn't want and threw them away.
>>96444133if only I was there to save them...
>>96444133But why anon, are you tarded?
>>96444151>>96444156I defeat the materialistic instinct of modern society.
>>96444186>I (((consume))) and then I throw it away without even getting anything from itGood goy, you're just the next stage of planned obsolence
>>96444197I made a regrettable purchase and instead of suffering the assembly and painting and presence of the unwanted models I simply disposed of them whilst not blaming the business owner for my own foolhardiness.
does anyone know if stormcast heads are too big for HH marines
>>96444096>Complaining about weebshit in a site with weebshit as it's mascot.Something something Iron on Iron.Anyways agreed
>>96444233The bareheads seem to be a good fit, but might be on the smaller side depnding on which kit you use.Please don't use the the stormcast helmets.
>>96444217Why not resell?
>>96444233>stormcast headsWe need >>96441870 more than ever
>>96444272for what?
>>96444077I don't know why they just didn't use the regular Bullock Jetbikes. We know they existed because both Visions and Sammael ride them
>>96444296obviously because it looks like a 40k model.
>>96444282To turn them into jump packs via the intermediate exchange of product into currency to further exchange it for a different, more palatable product
>>96444305It looks like ONE 40k model. There cannot be overlap because there are no imperial Jetbikes in 40k; it's just that one guy.
>>96444310Which I can already do via my income without the both bothersome and inefficient redistribution of undesirable models.
>>96443858Are bikes generally some of GW's worse or less popular plastic models when it comes to assembly or something? I know the 40k Chaos bikes get a lot of flak for being old and the current Primaris one is supposedly a pain in the ass to put together, while apparently Vertus Praetors aren't pleasant in some manner (flight stands aside, ostensibly) but are my only reference for building any, taking ~1.5 hours for each one.
How are you guys running Saturnine Termies? I feel like if I want to use them with the Praetor I want to spam particle shredders and deep strike them in, or scratch the praetor and use them for midrange shooting and drop the fists.
>>96444316But my dear anon, that's even worse.People might buy them for conversions and this'll mess up the internal accounting even more.
>>96444350I was running a squad of 3 with dual bombards for a while. They were kinda fun, but plasma just doesn't feel great in marine vs marine, and nobody in my community plays SA or Mech.
>>96444186>>96444217Whats the issue with assembly?Anon I genuinely don't know what you're saying my dude.
>>96444411Scout bikes were miserable to assemble the first and only time I attempted it in plastic. The bikes themselves went together poorly and the riders just didn't fit. Throwing on resin bits which required their own maintenance was not a tenable circumstance.I did keep all the interesting bits that were in one piece so I have the puches and bandoliers and holstered weapons and heads, but no I didn't assemble a miserable product.
>>96444420wait, anon are you the guy that bought the fw bike UPGRADE kit, instead of the full bike kit?Because that upgrade kit that requires you to have the plastic scout bikes is fucking ancient and omega out of date, even compared to that later full resin release.
>less than 10 posts per hourdead threaddead gamethanks gw
>>96444435>nstead of the full bike kit?oh? I bought a recasted kit that was the scout bikes with the relevant additional bits. Did I buy a defective set?
>>96444447>Page 7>>96444448>Buys recasts of shitty old kit>Bitches
>>96444448Holy fuck anon....
>>96444457Who bitched? I made a statement that everyone's had such a negative reaction to.
>>96444457>page 7>not even 375 postsDEAD THREAD DEAD GAMETHANKS GW
>>96444448Uh, maybe it varies from recaster to recaster (and when they got their source models), but when I got mine it was just all the parts actually needed - it wasn't any extra scout bike shit.Maybe that's just how they chose to recast/produce it though, so could be wrong.Assembly was fine though, for what it's worth.
>>96444466I'm out here playing games. I have my 6th game next Sunday. Trying to find cheap artillery carriages for my militia so I can have something for killing terminators
>>96444477>it wasn't any extra scout bike shit.Is the scout bike not the base of the model? This is off the warhammer website the description says it's a plastic and resin model, it seems to be exactly what I bought and described save for the plastic bits being resin.Clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right. Once again is everyone else here wrong and I am the only sane man left alive?
>>96444342Any previously resin model that’s now a plastic kit will generally be more complicated than a design deliberately made for plastics from the first stepScimitars are certainly more complicated than either the old plastic bikes or the new primaris ones, even eldar/deldar jetbikes
>>96444350Particle shredders are their best gun, don’t forget they’re assault so you can shoot them in volley fire in both your turn and your opponents
>>96444495I've never bought them directly from GW (aylmao)So I can only go off what my recaster produces. So maybe GW just sends out the full scout bike kit + the extra bits, I unno, but my recaster only sent the bits actually required (and obviously in full resin), but assembly was fine.If you were having issues with assembly, it might just be the recaster you used desu anon.
>>96444495I am still confused by you saying the assembly was terrible or whatever.Outriders don't even come in many parts for the bike itself.Glue on wheels, glue on the front and back bit which are both single pieces, then glue guns onto the side.That's all there is?
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>>96444531Bro look at the picture.The foot doesn't sit in the stirrup. The hand doesn't grasp the handle properly. A recasted frame like that is thin as water and I'd have to clip flash off a paper thin piece?Nah.
>>96444542>second hand market now values 2.0 Rulebook twice that of 3.0
>>96444563dude i love these fucking tomes and the LAVISH unit sheets. gw can't take that shit away from me, i won't have it. 3.0 is a fucking categorical downgrade. rampagers with jump rigs and tacticals with chainaxes forever.saturnines already backportedjust glue shit on to the system or sub things out as desiredpolitely ask to pay the points cost for now-errant wargear and use it or just pretend they're out of the better part of their fuel and using chain bayonets respectively in the event of there being want to play 3rd ed heaven forbidi can't believe this shit
>>96444463It does count as bitching to the frail, I'm afraid>>96444457The 3.0 reveal threads were fucking wild. Up to 1000 posts. Some threads would go to 500 posts in a few hours. It was extreme.Remember that HH2 Istvaan V RG survivor interview where he narrates how he made planetfall and eventually some IH had to flame the cultist horde that was burying him alive in bodies, and that all of that was just in the span of 8 minutes?That but with 3.0 doomposting. It was simply a lot
>updoot last weeks list because I want to try a levy blob and a TS interdiction cadre despoiler blob>no longer have room for multiple command units, my contemptor, or seekers/reconsI might get hosed
>>96444556Bruh, I genuinely don't think you should bother with resin models if you don't know how to sort out stuff like that.The official FW pictures looks shit, because a lot of their range is either assembled fucking awfully by their own studio, or things literally aren't even fully glued together.People have compilation pics of all their own awful assembly, but its not indicative of what you actually get. Hell, look at some of the mk.2 marine pictures, some of them just have the torso's bluetac'd on at a 90 degree angle from the pelvis.The posing stuff you've mentioned is the actual strength of resin over plastic - its why I now prefer resin over plastic.Those hands around the handlebars? Just like with hands holding bolters/other guns, you are meant to heat them and wrap the fingers around for a perfect snug fit, that is better than what plastic can ever do.Same with the legs, you can heat them to get a perfectly snug fit.
>>96444598>Retarded Trump frog image>>>/pol/
>>96444601Pic related. Look at the 2 nerds in the back. This is an official FW photo that they used to sell expensive war dollies, and they clearly took zero effort in actual assembly. Fucking wild.
>>96444601>Those hands around the handlebars? Just like with hands holding bolters/other guns, you are meant to heat them and wrap the fingers around for a perfect snug fit, that is better than what plastic can ever do.NTA, but genuinely you sound like a beaten housewife. Get some help
>>96444616it's called dynamism and catching the pose of a marine in a strange way if it's so desiredone needs like a background in figure drawing to pour real thought into it though fr
>>96444618anon, I don't know what to tell you, but this is how resin works.There is nothing wrong with plastic if thats what you are more comfortable with, but don't blame resin and call it shit when you actually don't know what you're doing, especially when I am spoonfeeding you how to handle this.This is some actual "poor workman blames his tools" shit.
>>96444613The fuck are you talking about. Are you not seeing the Sisters of silence? ...is anon a daemon?
>>96444649You can bend PS plastic with hot water too, I've had to reshape warped parts in military model kits this way
>>96444594>bought 2.0 libers a few months before 3.0 leaksIt's been a rollercoaster for me, I thought I'd be utilizing these behemoths instead of occasionally, wistfully, thumbing through the pages.
>>96444666they're only obsolete if regard them as such, anon
if you*but yeah, none of that!
>>96444661yeah you can, but not as easily, and certainly not as forgiving. Plastic will easily permanently deform/melt in bad ways because its plastic. Resin will hold it's form much better.>>96444618Learn how to actually assemble resin models you raging newfag, this is the basics of HH.
>>964446733.0 imploded my area's HH scene before I could even join.
Emp hated religion and burned down every church he saw right? Then waht did Mperator Titans look like during the Greeat Crusade/HH ? Can't really have a walking cathedral if you don't allow cathedrals
>>96444707Charge may be rr1d6, but 3.0 cannot be so bad that it deletes an HH scene D:
>>96444708All religion is false and must be purged anon, for there are no gods, and the Emperor is but a (giga) man.Unless of course your religion is thatof the machine cult, and you happen to have hundreds of heavily industrialised worlds across the galaxy that could support your rapid, galaxy spanning war efforts, and you happen to believe in the omnnisiah. In which case, your religion is great, is true, and big E is also your god figure.
>>96444708>>96444728Imperial architecture has always looked like Gothic cathedrals anyway.
>>96444686>this is the basics of HH.lolfatman psyop'd you into thinking overpriced was the one trve way to heresy
>>96444740>he actually buys from GW like a good paypig.Lol. Lmao even.
>>96444745>he doesn't use his stockpile of shortie mk7s and CSM to kitbash his Heresiesoh no no no KWAB
Best bike coming through.
>>96444728Based and true
>>96444748>mk7>csm that is also half mk7Bruh.
>>96444756>b-but fatman said only HIS models were REAL Heresy!wew lad
>>96444708This. 40k looks like that because the imperium has been stagnating 10,000 years in Ecclesiarchy sauce.30k Unification started out looking like Mad Max meets Conan, and late heresy would be late Roman / early medieval...meets Conan.
>>96444728>Unless of course your religion is thatof the machine cultAh fuck true. It's always the IT cargo cult department
>>96444783Didn't the Ecclesiarchi only really take over in like... M36? so even less time. Granted, 4 thousand years is still more than enough for culture to change
>>96444077Is this the real HH filter?
>>96444799Dang. Then why was there 5000 years of stagnation? Lol
>>96444754>Heldrake during the heresyOh no no no
>>96444725LGSs put in extra work selling 2.0 as the entry point into HH, especially in American shops trying to expand into wargaming.Any small groups that might disagree about HH being put on a 3 year cycle were instantly thanos snapped at the 3.0 leaks. Especially if there's a waacfag ready to jump into all three editions for wins.
>>96444838>Then why was there 5000 years of stagnation?This is your brain on "the Christian Dark Ages" pop-history
>>96444840Xana II shits outs daemon-possessed fighters constantly, surely some of them tunred into Heldrakes? It's not like it was "invented" at some point
>>96444845>Especially if there's a waacfag ready to jump into all three editions for wins.Just...refuse to play with him?
>>96444854Most people just walk away from the playing the system all together? This isn't a self report, it's basic math with small groups. It's a force multiplier, not a root cause of groups imploding.
>>964445633.0 did inspire me to start looking for 1.0 and 2.0 books. As long as Bong Mail doesn't fuck me (again), I should have the red 1.0 LAAoDAL and LAAoDL books, as well as 2.0 rulebook, Liber Astartes and Liber Imperium. Would love to have 1.0 rulebook and both 1.0 and 2.0 Mechanicum books, but those tend to cost much more.
>>96444768Behold, a MkVII!
>>96442185>>96442112the real answer is that istvaan 5 is just a shitty BL retcon.The actual istvaan 5 was Sons of Horus alone on istvaan 5, so Ravenguard + salamanders + Iron Hands was already 3v1 and overkill, and the reinforcements right behind them were World Eaters, Death Guard and Emperors Children and Iron Warriors for 7v1.It just went to shit as suddenly the 4 backstabbers instantly halved the first 3 with a backstab, so it went from 3v1 to 5 vs 1.5 legions worth which was unwinnable
>>96441429yeah 30k is completely dead after 3rd editionThe two closest Games Workshop put out the company's obligatory "Horus heresy saturnine has launched, here's pictures of it, hey guys post what you're working on below"replies3 warhammer40k pictures1 warhammer old world fantasy1 smegmarexactly 0x of HH3 trashAnd that's the high water-mark. 0 engagement. It's only lower forever after now that there aren't any more HH posts.
>>96444980Who actually goes to their local GW store?
>>96445010the 6 non-GW stores are no longer doing warhammer, no products and no people playing it. Now they're 100% magic the gathering, yugioh, pokemon, disney cards or whatever gay shit.
>>96445014zamn
>>96445010my pile of shame is too big because the first store closed with -50% all GW boxes. Second store did black friday 25% off then never did GW again. I kinda regret not picking up Lorgar for $90 NIB.
My LGS has a pretty lively 30k scene. It’s weird because everyone seems like they’re a stereotype of their legion made real.>Death Guard is fat, smells like BO sometimes>Imperial Fist guy who’s pretty normal, but very literal about RAW>obnoxious Iron Warrior slavaboo, wears a jacket with a Z patch>Night Lord guy who constantly wears coomer anime shirts and paints his nails>Iron Hands guy is made visibly uncomfortable by anyone trying to relate to him beyond playing the game
>>96445022>No EC guyBullshit, every store has at least one tranny
>>96445025Trannies play NightLords.the tranny probably saw someone was already playing NightLords and didn't join the group.
>>96445025The troon at my lgs plays Slaanesh, but only in AoS lol
>>96445022>obnoxious Iron Warrior slavaboo, wears a jacket with a Z patchAll of them make sense except this one he should be a hohol
>>96445022This is a lie, and all you want to do is bait people into an argument with you, because you don't play games but your hobby is arguing online.
>>96440829I 100% know this is the TS poster doing the same shit again
>>96445042This is next-level projection lmao
the resin scimitars came with the same bikers as the spathas, right? I was looking at the scimitar sprues, and it seems like they designed the bikers to be compatible with other kits, though the sprues are labeled specifically to the scimitar kit. hope the eventual plastic spatha kit comes with bikers in a different mark of armor, also compatible with the scimitars. I guess it would probably be mk4, but I also kinda want mk2 bikers. I really like the nu-mk2 marines >28NGGRwhat did the captcha mean by this?
>>96445125>what did the captcha mean by this?That you need to paint Salamanders
Are the mechanicum knights worth taking? Feels like theynever come up in discussion
Why are Sallies always like this?
>>96445213I was unironically wondering about this the other day. Geneseed makes you resemble your primach, right? Does this mean if a black guy joins RG, they become white?
>>96445239yes. If tyrone joins blood angels he becomes a pale white skin with curly blonde hair. The blood angel book explains how the initiates are random ugly hideous radioactive wasteland hobos and the geneseed completely changes their body to suddenly look like sanguinius no matter what they originally looked like.
>>96445239>>96445299Unstable geneseed is supposed to do that. But they have a high rejection rate as well, meaning the genetic compatibility has to be higher.>black people in RG/BAGW and BL writers have been trying to retcon black people into legions where it doesn't make sense (unstable geneseed). But the obvious answer is that niggas literally just aren't compatible for every legion.No, Tyrone wouldn't be able to handle hiding blood lust. Nigga can't be quiet, so no RG. And you better believe niggas can't handle the cold, which is why you didn't have black people in Space Wolves until Dawn of Fire
>>96445299This is also why Little Horus and Sigismund look so much like their daddies
>>96445322>And you better believe niggas can't handle the coldWhat were Vikings retard?
>>96445239the resembling primarch thing is not very consistent thoguh it is interesting that early on in the conception of the heresy most authors and artists believed they did, like the SoH having Horus lookalikes being very common, visions has mini Magnus TS etc. It seems to only be BA who get cast more directly in the image of their primarch, Sallies just get the dark skin pigment and red eyes.
>>96445331>he believes Eric the Red was named for the stains of watermelon juice constantly dribbling down his chin while campaigning in iceland
>>96445364Obviously he was named because he had one eye and did nothing wrong.
>>96443858Praetorian Outriders do look pretty cursed I have to say.>WS5 3/4 attacks 2+ save same as all the other Praetorian squads.>3 Wounds, M14>Implacable Advance and Firestorm>Access to Thunder Hammers and Combat Shields>Bikes can all take Twin Plasma, one of the few flavours of Plasma with good breaching.The downside? Five of them armed this way is exactly 400pts. Which, even for 2+ save 3W models is a lot.I don't mind Scimitars, but losing Implacable Advance is annoying.
>>96445486All the weapons on scimitars are heavy, implacable advance would do nothing for them.Outrider command squad does look strong, but no invulnerable save vs ranged is quite the achilles heel.
y'all niggas ain't humanenah
>>96445542Yeah, you gotta get into combat as quickly as you can.
>>96445486I'd take some outriders except they can't take any chainfists at all, not even 1 per 10 or 1 on a character. They're entirely harmless to vehicles. The gun options do literally nothing to vehicles and only the overpriced biker characters get 1 attack meltabombs that suck vs vehicles.And if you're just melee brawling light infantry since you can't scratch tanks, there's a dozen better options, and the flying squads get to bring a legion banner to count as +6 models for winning combat and assraping in challenges.Any list with bikers is just done better instead by playing White Scars with speedbuff wizards throwing ultra-fast terminators while a jetpack character hops in front of the squad to add 3.5" more movement every point of the game. That's easily 20-23" threat range, but much beefier, much scarier to tanks and killing more infantry and also tankier and scoring objectives bikers can't score.
>>96445638My dude they can delete Terminators. They have Thunder Hammers and Combat Shields, hell their leader is a Champion so you can even throw out challenges to back-line consuls with relative levels of success as well. How well is that Master of Signals going to do against a 2+ save and a Str7 D2 Thunderhammer stoving his head in? Also, I'll check, but my feeling is that 3w models vs 2d weapons is kind of fucky? Is that right?
>>96445638Honest question given I've been considering WS.How bad is a list based around bikers with Power Lances and Tacticals in Rhinos for caping the objectives?
Has picrel been mentioned yet?
>>96445648>Full post-war investigation into the casualty and replacement rates of the Loyal Legions during the Heresy reveals shocking and rates of geneseed acceptance, in many cases exceeding Great Crusade rates of the Ultramarines and Dark Angels. In fact, for many legions, such as the VIth, these unheard of adaptation rates would be considered utterly impossible in even the best and most controlled of circumstances. Further inquest into the tactics, organization, physical appearance, and noted geneseed peculiarities of these forces indicates that nearly 80% of all Loyalist Astartes forces during the Heresy were secretly composed of Iron Warriors, rising to nearly 96% during the Siege of Terra.>This report to be sealed and expunged on order of Rogal Dorn, Praetorian of Terra and Master of the VIIth, 021M31>[DATA EXPUNGEMENT COMPLETE]
>>96445648Yes
>>96445660Damn, I missed it, what's the QRD?
>>96445663Who knows if it really is an unreleased mini, it's likely because it looks legit and the seller has sold unreleased stuff before. That's about how much we know.These are the posts>>96428979>>96429108>>96428979
>>96445646You'll need additional units that can deal with stuff that isn't MEQ infantry of course, but it would work very well. The tactical squads can even use movement reactions to embark back into their rhino if something gets danger close, which seems like a very WS thing to do.
>>96445668Thank you kind anon.How does one even get a hold of unreleased, even unannounced models?
>>96445671Work in somewhere in GW's distribution chain and steal stuff out of your truck, or know a guy that does and get it from him.
>>96445671GW have sent people the wrong stuff before, it's how that lord of poxes model leaked like 6 months early
>>96445671The same way you do unreleased magic cards, just with less Pinkertons involved
>>96445679>>96445680>>96445681London here I come
>>96445671Become friends with important GW employees and just ask them.>is it that easy?Yes. Some of the older ones after they leave the company would resell a lot of stuff on ebay which also includes unreleased or rare stuff. Doubt we'll ever see the dorito pavaise however.
>>96445693Wasn't the pavaise mentioned on the new quad gun's profile? It's a sign! There is hope!t. Delusional
Tactical Sergeants should get their melee weapon in addition to the bolter/bolt pistol the same way Support Sergeants doChange my mind
>>96445695It's supposed to be already equipped with it anon but I don't see it. They might have retconned it to be integrated within the chassis.
>>96445704It was over before it even began
>>96445669Can't you only embark in the movement phase, even if the reaction lets you make a normal move?I'm not saying you're wrong and I hope you're right, it'd be a fun tactic
>>96445704>>96445708it's right there
>>96445730Yes, but it doesn't specify your own movement phase. Not to mention that the rules literally state that units are allowed to use movement reactions to embark.Already been using this tactic with my AL, people hate me for it lol.
>>96445699I don't clean garbage I ignore it
>>96445732That's much smaller than what it's supposed to be like so again, they have retconned it to be integrated within the chassis.
>>96445111dogs don't talk, sergei
>>96445732That's just the emitter.
>>96445165The freeblade house ranks help them a lot. I quite like the idea of the Acheron's Panic (2) hellstorm with the Fear (2) aura rank just sweeping infantry forces off the table, that's probably worth the points, and the Atrapos is an extremely expensive armour-killer and one of the only things that can just oneshot a primarch if it gets lucky. Strong, but fragile for 600pts, so on balance I prefer the Acheron or even the Porphyrion since it's relatively tanky and has much better reach than the atrapos lascutter does, even if it lacks the giant doom template of the Singularity Cannon. Any big knight other than the Acheron or a Porphyrion with a supporting battlesmith squad proably wants Preceptor, battlesmith knights are just a massive improvement on auto-repair 5.The Styrix and Magaera are just kind of there. The siege claws on the Moirax, Styrix and Magaera will absolutely delete any vehicle they touch, since they're S12-16 damage 3-4 with armour-breaker, but the guns on the big two aren't much to write home about, with the Krios carrying the same lightning cannon on a faster platform for 135pts and no risk of giving up Giant Killer, so I'd rather have two Krios and a double melee Moirax for a lower cost than the Styrix.
>>96441805where are you getting that from? your own ass?
>>96445744Based, thanks anon. This is especially nice seeing as the WS unique reaction is an unlimited buffed version of the basic movement reaction anyway.Also for anyone who knows, is there an actual diagram for the Principa Bellicosa company organisation beyond the Line Companies? I was thinking of running 2 Outrider Squads per Tactical Squad because it fits my autism and feels right but it'd be nice to know if we had a similar "2-3 Demi-Companies of 2 Tactical Squads and 1 Support Squad" per company for the Assault/Outrider/Veteran/etc companies (mostly the Outriders are relevant here).
>Kratos sold out on all the discount webstores in the countryTurns out HH players are no better than 40k WAACfags after all.
>>96445885>GW gives this game a 3 year edition cycle>The WAACfags arrive in drovesHow could we have anticipated this?
>>96445889>>The WAACfags arrive in drovesThey were already here, heresyfags have always just been waacfags in denial
>>96444563>Out of print book more expensive than readily available book everyone gets on the starter setImagine my shock
>>96446022if I look at the discount section on every website, it's entirely "out of print" GW paper products that are on huge discount and worth less and current edition GW paper products stuck with 0-15% discount instead, so you're one incredibly retarded faggot.
>>96446063Second hand market is nothing but scalpers these days anon. Even models that GW still actively sells are priced about MRP by those scum. Second hand market prices are entirely decided by rampant greed, they have nothing to do with actual demand.
An armiger warglaive fighting 7 knight castigators outnumbers the castigators so they get to make 6 bonus attacks against it.
>>96445732I hate those "shield" designs>>96445782Now this? I like
>>96444563If you're dumb enough to pay for it. 2nd edition is dead for good, either play 1st or 3rd.
>>96446022>>96446111>nevermind about the past>look at the present slop>and eat itlmao, being half the value is funny. is it pardo hours already?
>>96445744That's extremely neat, I hadn't noticed that and that might do a lot to make transports more interesting than the traditional single-stage unit delivery systems they were in previous editions.Does this not make Death Guard extremely good mechanised infantry, since they need to move less than 4" to get the benefit of their Legion rule anyway?Drive up with your multi-melta HSS inside a rhino or raider, hop out less than 4", blast something with S9 because Heavy and then mount up again if they move anything near you in their movement phase, before they can shoot or charge. You can even use that to force mean choices, since in order to hit your exposed marines before they mount up again they can't move models that are so close to you that they can't get out of the 12" Reposition radius.Also works well with Firestorm, since you can disembark, shoot, volley and stay in position to wavedash back inside your nice safe rhino, then Emergency Disembark on the far side of it if and when it's destroyed.
I been thinking about why the Emperor didn't help Angron and then it stuck me: The Emperor let the ruling class of Nuceria go free because they willingly joined the Imperium. No punishment, no answering for their crimes and possible let to stay as rulers of Nuceria. No way in hell Angron and his men would accept that.
>>96445111Bro it's unwinnable. You'd better just avoid that battle.
>>96446176found later in the crusade, emperor didn't have time to waste on people he couldn't fixbutcher's nails are a lobotomy.
>>96446176Cool theory!I recently had similar insight Jesus crossed the path of the spiritual and commercial elites of Israel, promoting freedom from old customs, equality and independent thinking, instead of delegating decision-making to the elites, and also openly speaking out against trade (he drove the merchants out of the temple, which angered not only them, but also their relatives and their entire social class).So those who in the crowd before Pilate shouted "crucify him" were most likely representatives of the offended social groups.
>>96446198I mean even if he could be fix, Angron would absolutely oppose the Emperor simply because of his background
>>96446176The Emperor is a self serving cunt, nothing new really
>>96446168R U OK?
>>96441166>WS probably being that bikes were so bad and hard to use last editiontheir vehicle list was top tier last edition but it needed things that were expensive to field like Solar Aux in 1.0.>>96442315The difference is no other Legion took the lengths Corax did to expel and cast off Legion assets. Alpha Legion likes sneaky shit, they still have armoured units ready and willing to go if needed. Russ and the Khan forged a relationship with Terrans they didn't like in the anvil of War or having a a big ass cultural exchange problem. The Lion when he took over went to every officer who had a problem and challenged them to a duel to prove his superiority. Corax kicked them out to the ghoul stars with no resupply with the intent that they grind themselves away and did nothing to replace the loss of material and expertise. The only Primarch who handled a similar situation worse was Angron who let his guys kill each other. Being better than a retard who was so brain damaged Emps couldn't fix him is not a flex, It's the lowest bar imaginable.
>>96446203It's a very important plot point that he couldn't fix it. It's also a very important plot point that time is an issue. Big E made redundancies in the Primarch's roles.It's not a conspiracy/cover up, it's supposed to illustrate the Emperor's utilitarian nature.
>>96446168>...either play 1st or...>"never mind about the past"Must be hard, being illiterate.
>>96446176Because ADB is a hack writer.
>>96446176Angron had no men, Big E left them to die on the planet and he was gifted a legion of 100% Terrans
>>96446231I mean that is the reason why he left them to die rather than at least try to save them. He knew they would never accept the ruling class of Nuceria.
Look, I might play DA, but still, doesn't the disintegrator cannon look somewhat... suggestive?
>>96446220>>96446210>anons talking about 2.0 libers>STOP WHO CARES, YOU'RE A DUMB IDIOT FOR NOTICING PEOPLE HAVEN'T MOVED ON FROM 2.0It's a tick on this game's timeline that 2.0 rules and libers are being valued higher than the MSRP. Supply and demand means people still want to play 2.0 while 3.0 is taking up inventory space.
>>96446231Wasn't Bodt their recruiting world? Until moonman had a say in the matter anyways
>>96446256all guns have a fundamental ejaculatory aspect about them
>>96445885bought my kratos before it was cool
>>96446301Just one of them. They took any and all they could get because they didn't have Nuceria due to Angron being a failure
>>96446229those events happen even if ADB never picked up a pen
Vehicles should go back to not having hull points and the 5th ed damage tables.
one thing is historical record:the *mperor did not get away with being a highrider faggot for very long
>>96446265>>96446168Play 1.0.
>>96441859IT'S FUCKING PEAK
>>96446460Why are you telling me what to do? No one asked for your opinion, including the anons talking about their 2.0 libers.
>>96446460I too enjoy AP:2 Pie Plate simulator
>>96446483>Why are you telling me what to do? Because you can't handle thinking for yourself.>No one asked for your opinion, including the anons talking about their 2.0 libers.Good thing it's not an opinion, play 1.0.
>>96446484I see you are a man of culture.
>>96446481Kill people who do not play this ruleset
>>96446498I don't take orders from anyone, that includes fags like you. You made your opinion very clear that you don't think 2.0 isn't worth anyone's time, it was so important that you share it on sight even though those anons had an entire conversation already.
>>96446523>Nooo, you don't understand, this random Eastern European hamlet with 3 shacks and an outhouse is a crucial victory if we want the 3 day special operation to end this decade
fucking copy paste plaster over various vehicle damage shit from 3.0 into 2i think that would be pretty funny. maybe no flare shields tho!!!these things are absolute slabs that get driven into people and 'people' (xenos) and have the foundational shape of a WALL about them and are there to clog shit up and drive and blast through buildings like enormous killdozers that bring the mass of the force up in their wakebro if a fucking kratos or spartan rolled itself into a junction one was on and slammed its doors down and the marines come out ur just fucking dead kiddosimilarly a kratos just obliterating everything around iteven for a fucking marine squad, it's just another order of magnitude up and maybe the only recourse is trying to shove a melta bomb down its throat
>>96446523>Fan of the “second”most powerful army in the world has to brag in a Heresy thread that they can take a village of 100 people
>>96446543Play 1.0. This message will repeat until there are no 2.0 fags left to read it.
>>96446460No, I play mechanicum, you can't force me to be a WAACfag
>>96446523Kill yourself tankie retard
>>96445791What about the ranged Armigers? Any good? And where do the big daemon engines fall? Is the scorpion still good?
>>96446643Now that I have convinced you to play 1.0 be sure to post battle reports once you start getting some games.
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>>96446719Play 2.0, got it.
>>96446176If Nucerians were to accept Compliance, then they would have heeded de order to disengage Angron.If Nucerians had been engaged instead by the Custodes, then they wouldn't have had an army left to resist Compliance with.In both cases, the Emperor fighting alongside Angron makes him join the Crusade willfully ("let's bleed together and be brothers"). Though Angron would still eventually join Horus against the Emperor, because He is indeed the worst High Rider of them all, demanding the galaxy itself dances to His tune.But no. He had to kill Angron's dog...
>>96446176Was it not implied the slaves were tainted by khorne in some short story?
>>96446256Look up the plasma cannon, who shoot's a big fat load while being shaped like a big phat throbbing penis!
