Gangrel Girls edition>Previous Thread>>96416825>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread Question: If you/your character had to have inhuman eyes, what kind of eyes would they be?
>>96437893I played a Nosferatu with a lazy eye that seemed to stare in random directions. In truth as he came to realize later, that eye always points at something the other person feels guilty about. He discovered a murderer when he noticed his eye kept staring at her right hand specifically.
What's the highest statistic you've seen on an NPC in WoD? I'm talking about an actual number, not unstated plot device characters with vague abilities.
>>96438110I don't think anything has topped the one time they fully statted out an Incarnae in VtM.
>>96438189And a drastically weakened one, at that. Yet it still has plot device level auspex...
>>96438110From mage, It seems Aeons(incarnae) cap out at around 25. Spirits use Gnosis for social/mental traits when manifested, so the text about "ToO hIgH tO CrEaTe" is just a writer cop-out. The actual thing that makes incarnae scary is the fact they're Awakened rather than stuck using spirit charms.
>>96438189>Lure of Flames 6>Anything else the Storyteller desiresI thought Thaumaturgy paths were limited to five dots. Is this one of those "I'm the writer so it's MY special pet thank you very much and I can break the rules" or can PCs get this sort of thing too?
>>96438259Reminder that "drastically weakened" to old ww writers typically meant most stats missing 1-3 dots off their attributes and powers. We saw this all the time with stats for freshly un-torpored elders in the official chronicles.
>>96438278Any elders can break the rules. There's a tzimisce combo-discipline for koldunic sorcery that requires way of spirit 7.
>>96438110This is the strongest spirit statted in werewolf, but like anon: >>96438266 the things that are revealed about the Incarnae are much less impressive than the writers pretend. It's unusual for one to have a stat higher than 20, let alone the Thousands of dots the more wank-happy elements in the WoD community like to pretend. Lets not forget that powerful incarnae are something methusela are capable of overpowering and binding to their will. The Ante's also have a track record of telling even the Celestines to fuck off(including helios, the one Celestine best at fucking over vamps), and their stats are explicitly capped at 10.
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>>96438189Sam Haight mentioned
>>96438363It's okay. Sounds like he's a battery or a portal.
>>96438189In case you guys missed, the reason why he has such high Attributes is because he has no Skill or Ability or Knowledge dots.All of his dice pools are pure Attributes.And this was created before they had Discipline 10 as plot device and you had things like turning into a mini sun.(Also, as a writers pet, his writer definitely wanted avoid his character from dying, especially to high Obfuscate axe murderers. He definitely had a bad experience with Obfuscate are murderers.)
>>96438381True from a mechanical perspective, but it's also true that it's very common for manifested spirits to have no ability dots. The ancient, millenia-old Aeon that's currently topic the leaderboard has 5 human-scale abilities, which for a guy as old as him is fucking atrocious. Spirits are not the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to the whole "learning" thing.
Your party has to fight a fully powered Sam Haight.How do you fare?
>>96437893>TQ:Do extra eyes count? I really like the aesthetics of third eye. If not, perhaps something like picture related.
>>96438769Or perhaps like this for something more organic. But at the end of the day, it's all about what your weird eyes allow you to see.
>>96438110Probably the Reaper with 300 Essence. Practically an Incarna.But an actual character sheet? Probably Shaitan or Kemintiri.>>96438769>>96438776I honestly like the lizard eyes but these days I might have become chunni because I like those weird eyes like stars etc. I blame anime.
Were there any Nazi Hunters past the very first Reckoning book, or is the concept too edgy for WW of the last ~20 years to handle?
I was looking at the VTM '92 book's sample session which is a big party in a crumbling mansion in Gary and it gave me really mixed feels. I mean, was it actually common to have a whole group of players willing to just talk to NPCs the whole session without some sort of grandiose battle or something? I feel like we've lost something, you know?
>>96439423>I feel like we've lost something, you know?Female players you would actually want to be in the same room - scratch that, on the same planet - with.
>>96437778Thanks again for the art.
>>96439190Revised Get of Fenris had non-Nazi Get hunting down Nazi Get remnants after WW2. They killed a number of human Nazis in the process, since shit clings together.
>>96437893>GangrelThis is exactly how Pooka are supposed to look but no one cares about Changeling
>>96439630People care about Changeling. What they don't care about is Dreaming.
>>96439696For the most part the differential is worthless to a lot of people. If you are familiar with CtD you have very little need for it.
>>96439696Changeling the Lost was always my holy grail game. But I could never find more than 1-2 people interested. Even a lot of people who like fae-related media like Labyrinth and Jonathan Strange didn't want to try it.
>>96438656>Your party has to fight a fully powered Sam Haight.The curent one dies, just like the previous 3 parties.
>>9643865690's economics must have been wild. Like today this shit would be Tumblr fanfiction tier (maybe self-published on Amazon at best) but back then it was feasible to write and print up a whole series of adventures where the players had to sit back and watch him be a badass.
>>96438656What's a fully powered ashtray gonna do to me?Is he gonna flick stubs at me? Blow ash into my eyes?
>>96439423>I mean, was it actually common to have a whole group of players willing to just talk to NPCs the whole session without some sort of grandiose battle or something? I feel like we've lost something, you know?I've had sessions that have zero fights in them fairly frequently. My group typically runs longer sessions, so an entire session that's just one conversation? Not really. But I'd say it's the same principle. The point is the story, so as long as the conversation has weight behind it, and isn't just indulgent nothing, it should go on for as long as it needs to. Provided every PC is there, and so nobody is being forced to twiddle their thumbs an entire session.
Are the Garou overhyped? Which is the coolest Fera in your opinions?
>>96439849>Are the Garou overhyped?In terms of how strong they are in comparison to other splats, no.
>>96439849Yeah I still like woofs the most.Dinosaurs as a close second
>>96439849>Are the Garou overhyped?When is the last time people hyped up the Garou at all in these threads? People uncritically glaze the Bastet, Kitsune, Rokea and especially the Mokolé with far more frequency.The only good thing people have to say about the Garou in /wodg/ is that unoptimised werewolves typically beat the shit out of unoptimised vampires.
>>96439849cute doggo
>>96439951Which isn't saying much because unoptimized vampires get raped by the average human
>>96439951I wonder if it's one guy who is just obsessed with theorycrafting obscure shit with specifically Werewolf-adjacent stuff and Sorcerer. Because it always reads like the same guy.
WtA fans reveal how thin-skinned they are once again.
>>96439849I honestly like Garou the most. Others are cool, especially Mokole but they just...lack the stuff that makes me want to play WTA.>>96439804Let me get that Amazon list shared in the past threads. I take Samuel Haight over all of them.
>>96440005>Book 1>OF SIXTruly, the Wyrm has won.
Any true fae in the shape of cute boys?
>>96437893>TQPermanently dilated pupils. Look like black button shark eyes for a second and then like a tweaker for every other second.
>>96440005>my three 6'5 roommates. Covered in tattoos, Jeweled and horned.>Jax, Ascher and CobraGood GodThey always talk about male gaze and sexualization of women but not this.We are all gooner, male or female.
>>96440125Romantasy novels written by middle-aged women really showcase this. Mousy five-foot-nothing brunette self-inserts are pitted against towering at-least-two-meters-tall statuesque giants with wild, flowing hair the colour of a precious metal, bright and piercing eyes best described as precious stones, skin that is either deliciously bronzed or shockingly alabaster, and hearts that are almost as hard as their abs.
>>96440005>>96440022>>96440125>>96440228You guys are pulling my leg right? This is just*looks at Amazon...there are Wendigo fuckers in there, what the fuck? And it's an eight book series!
>>96440362Amazon is absolutely full of these ai written slop monster fucking novels. I remember accidentally stumbling upon a trove of these by daring to commit the cardinal sin of looking up cheap minotaur tabletop monster minis lol. They used to be actually ghost written by actual humans back in the Chuck Tingle days, so at least there was some sort of ironic enjoyment to be had, but ai hit the ''industry'' like crack hit inner city neighborhoods.
>>96440362These books are effectively hentai for women. Whereas men can get easily addicted to visual stimulation and then crave more and more extreme stuff, the same applies to women and written erotic fiction. They get hooked on understandable stuff and then if they get addicted, they graduate to the kind of stuff that wouldn't turn on an un-addicted person.
>>96440498Pretty much spot on. Look around at porn artist groups and you'll easily find similar stuff.
So in my Hunters Hunted game, the other players finally realized what the “psycho” part means in my “astral psycho punk hunter” short description. Also why I have 4 humanity. It all happened when we captured one of two hillbillies selling drugs made with vampire blood and stds. We wanted to find out where the vampire they get their blood from is located, and my teenager resorted to torture. I spooked the hunter priests (player, ST and characters alike) with my initiative to drill the hillbilly’s kneecaps with carpentry tools. Unfortunately he couldn’t be broken and he bit off his own tongue. Though not before spitting his diseased blood on some of us (another player got leukaemia, I got spit on twice but realized the danger beforehand and managed not to get infected).>>96437893I like those black scleras. Makes me think of Ghouls from Tokyo Ghouls or the Kure clan from Kengan Ashura.
>>96438322>Above-10 gnosis, power 40, 5 artes>>96439025>stats capped at 10, 300 power, Plot-Device amount of ArtesWhy is werewolf so fucking inconsistent about it's incarnae NPCs? Even Mage is more consistent.
>>96438266>The actual thing that makes incarnae scary is the fact they're AwakenedDidn't an anon some threads back point out that becoming incarnae is part of the Fera ranking system(rank 7+ or 9+ or whatever)?
>>96437893A reminder that you should have more human NPCs who aren't walking bags of EXP for your players to interact with.
>>96441024Oh the Reaper is from Mage>>96441050To be fair, WoD as a whole doesn't do the XP from killing stuff. Outside of ST rewarding the players for fighting.
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>>96440005>My 3 6,5 roommates.Lel.>>96440362It is fairly common.
>>96441024>about it's incarnae NPCsThe 10-cap reaper is an epiphling dumbass. Not an incarnae.
>>96439025>anime
>>96441250"Practically an Incarnae"
>>96441542Translates to "Would barely qualify as the weakest incarnae in the world if it promoted today". The top two example incarnae in this thread would curb-stomp this pussy.
>tfw Mage with a Satyr bf
>>96441656Uhuh, sure buddy. I am taking your headcanon.Epiphling isn't a power level. They can be any rank and still count as Epiphling. That guy is an Incarna Epiphling. That doesn't change whatever you like it or not.Hell, even makes sense considering War Avatar of Fenrir is weaker than him and that guy is basically a weaker version of Incarna.
What did he do it, crocobros?
>>96440005This shit is so weird.
>>96440845Sometimes hunter is worse than the hunted, I suppose.>>96441814Honestly, if a manifestation of Death, an iconic one at that, doesn't deserve an Incarna rank, what is the point? Almighty Dollar and Easy Credit makes even less sense at that point.>>96441913...I take Dreaming Fae anyday, everyday.
POV: you've just walked in on a meeting of the Technocratic Inner Circle
>>96442221>S-sorry, guys. How do I get back to CofD?
>>96442221>Random Ayy lmao in thereSir, This is the Umbra.
>>96442221>Why are half of you balding, no offense Grey, you have cosmic power at your fingertips. I thought Archmages could get rid of all Physical flaws
>>96442221>Technocratic Inner CircleAnon, the technocracy doesn't have an "Inner Circle", they aren't the camarilla. The technocrats have Control, the leaders literally everyone and their viktor knows about.
>>96442300I’m more able to believe that an alien would be in that circle than a woman.
>>96442328she's the token Progenitor
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>>96442328>he only thinks its a woManThat thing has so many fuck points, Its the circles bike.
>>96442221the alien is actually Tychoides in his new body>>96442367I feel like techies of this level would be beyond having sex, if that makes sense. Controlling the Union and playing 7 dimensional checkers with other Archmages over the Ascension War is more important.
>>96442221Sound confused and ask if somebody tried to order out for pizza. C level has no idea who's supposed to be in the building.
>>96442386Its about the power and control, Not the sexual thrill. Its why people you know, Molest folks or shit.
>>96442221RELEASE THE ROKEA ABOMINATION ON THEM
Apparently Zoomers are getting depressed after playing Bloodlines.>Zoomers are experiencing something similar to the "Pandora Syndrome" -experienced by fans of the Avatar films who fell into a severe depression due to the fact the setting of the movies was fictional and they could never go there themselves- after playing the 2004 videogame Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines.>Knowing they were born after the end of the 20th century and will never experience late 90's club goth culture has created a spreading wave of deep seated ennui as they long for the idea of a past they never experienced before their time.>A time where the internet was little more than chat rooms and forums for every niche imaginable. Where cell phones were just phones and nothing more and social interaction involved night life outings to clubs for specific subcultures. Its easy to see how the concept without the gritty realistic flaws for those of us who lived through the time may seem simple and more appealing to a generation who grew up constantly on camera, being tied up in social media in their tweens and living with all ...this we live with day to day nowadays.>With streamers pushing a massive boom in players of the game places like the VTM subreddit are being inundated with zoomers asking how realistic the games depiction of the time was and what it was like back them. Goth and Emo styles seeing a resurgence within youth culture almost surely played a part in this push. Perhaps this means the games long awaited sequel will be setting people up for disappointment as it represents these sadly more corporate and sterilised modern nights.
>>96442975Can't they just go to a fucking goth bar?
>>96442991Those haven't been a thing for about 20 years.>>96442975This has to be some fucking b8.
>>96442975>>96442991Forget goth bar, these Zoomers sound like they don't go to bars or clubs or really any social place.
>>96442991No, because 90% of bars closed down thanks to covid and the recent recession. Goth bars are nearly extinct everywhere except brazil.
>Decide to check out Beast: the Primordial out of curiosity>It's literally "Special Snowflake vs Chuds: the game", down to the Mary-Sue main characters that are somehow loved by other supernaturals and strawman villains>It was even written by a fucking sexual abuserHow the fuck did this get the green light?
>>96442998Why would it be bait? people having been milking 80's nostalgia for a decade. Did you really think the 90's were sacred and it wouldn't happen to your childhood too?
Post your predictions (mechanics or lore) for how exactly they're going to ruin M5.
>>96443032Go look at what they did to Glasswalker Garou and add in wiica horseshit.
>>96442998>This has to be some fucking b8.Go look at the bloodlines and other wod subreddits. They're genuinely being flooded with nefags that started the dive into wod in 2020 with bloodlines. Streamers are also starting to discover the game.Between this and that hunter parody youtube thing, We're reaching a dangerous tipping point where the hobby might suddenly see an influx of hobby-ruining tourist like Comics, Warhammer, D&D, and Anime.
>>96443022Beast was That Guy bait for and by degens that couldn't find a system to emulate crossed in.
>>96443023>But Muslims are becoming a problemHow the fuck is Russian of all places letting in more hajeets than poland? Get your shit together!
>>96443025The 30 year rule is real, anything older than that becomes mythologically romantic.
>>96443032There are already fan-makes of M5 on scribd. Just take all the worst ideas from them and throw them into a pile. It'll likely not be bad enough, but it'll probably get within spitting distance.
>>96443012Mexico City still has a few. Including minor-friendly spaces like goth cafés and restaurants.And I'm sure there's still goth-friendly places in the US. The problem is that the vibe, even when it gets real good, is very different to that of the 90s and early 00s. It's difficult to explain, but the atmosphere and energy feels a lot thinner most of the time.Also the english-speaking goth community has become fucking insufferable and full of politically brainrotten kids. Seriously, these people make me miss mallgoths.
>>96443041We're next.
>>96443023>Tfw 37 years old and went to see early 90's goth band in Nottingham last year>Aside from two extremely young girls barely wearing anything who seemed drunk and lost i was the youngest in the crowd by a country mile>Every real goth in 90's attire there was grey or full on white haired>Mostly couples with old tattoos turning green holding arms around each other and swaying to the music.It was kind of sweet but also a little sad. On brand really i suppose.
>>96443025>Why would it be bait?I just have a hard time believing the whole "I wish WoD was real" thing happened in a big enough number to be "relevant". Maybe it is just me expecting those kinds of people to be in other fandoms.
Well, fuck. I guess W5 garou really could have forgotten everything in one generation.
>>96443058When the great depression part 2 hits and people can't afford internet, I imagine the youth are going to recapture the 90's lingering apocalyptic doom feeling Real Quick.
>>96443041Maybe that's why reddit is full of stupid questions that can be answered by reading the most common books.
>>96443079The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>96443075its not that they wish vampires were real you donut they are born like half a decade after 9/11 and the clubs and outfits are appealing to them.Havent you noticed teens are back to hipster jeans and tank tops again?
>>96443095What are the chances parawolf manages to crash/burn Before the new wave on intrest hits and we get the chance for someone actually competent to handle the IP instead?
>>96442998>Those haven't been a thing for about 20 years.There was one in Jacksonville when I lived there, think it's still open.
What's stopping me from putting a couple of points into craft and firearms, and forging a revolver with a 3 digit caliber? How far would that carry me?
>>96443032Dreamspeakers gone to avoid cultural appropriation. Replaced with vodoun and indigenous factions that only people from those ethnicities can join.Verbena gone to avoid antivaxxers and norse heathen players. Replaced with 2010s wicca (as opposed to old school wicca that at least made an attempt to be pagan). No pagan revivalism allowed.Order of Hermes and Celestial Chorus are bad guys because religion and tradition bad."Society" of Ether becomes progressive marxist, purges conspiracy theorists and anything that is not Approved Science™ "Mercurial Elite" are even more trans-friendly because the Wachowskis came out as trans.Akashic Brotherhood also restricted only to asians OR just gone.Euthanatos become the setting's villains a-la "cult of fenris" in W5Cult of Ecstasy is somehow sanitized but also more degenerate at the same time.Hollow Ones are antifaThe Technocracy isn't evil, except for the Syndicate because "muh capitalism bad."Somehow even more bitching about Elon Musk hidden somewhere, probably in the new Nephandi lore.Freeform magick system replaced with predetermined lists of spells.
>Youtube mix i have on while painting randomly brings up the old Spoony counter monkey video about vampire>Gets pissy because his intro to ask for hospitality has a prince order him to do something so he "usurped my narrative">RP's that he snuck in some C4 and blew the whole elysium up>Paints it as though hes a hero and the villains nervously stammer that he can't do that>Chad struts away like a boss.I genuinely can't tell if this never happened or he just omitted that he got his ass beat by a bunch of larpers after.
>>96443127Isn't there specifically a "Gunsmithing" specialty skill?That'd probably be cheaper.Also nothing but if you were my player I would make you consider the heavy recoil of every shot, and have the gun either break or misfire with a botch unless you had 4+ successes when crafting it.But if we're playing Mage you'd have plenty of ways to mitigate all drawbacks anyways.>How far would that carry meAs far as my patience goes because as soon as you think your big iron can do anything I'm gonna start throwing spirits and other things you can't beat by just shooting at 'em.
>>96443067>>96443041Poor retards.We should euthanize them.
>>96443127If we're talking about like slug rounds for a M39, I think speed is the better half of the equation and you'd be more destructive with a production .500 S&W.
>>96443132>Dreamspeakers gone to avoid>Order of Hermes and Celestial Chorus are bad guys
>>96443127Whatever the ST throws at you.
So has the resident Mummy shill finally accepted they are never going to touch the book again for fear of cultural appropriation cancelling?Will they finally accept Prometheans dabbing on them with grace?
>>96443032No difference in paradigms, all mages are like Awakening mages now except for the Technocrats who are unplayable anyways
>>96443265>M3979. Fuck.
>>96443039How'd they ruin Glasswalkers? I don't follow woof.
>>96443132>VA forgotten about and not even includedI'm coping.
>>96443336>>VA That's their dead name.
>>96443161This one?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3AEBnH1kAM
>>96443333It has been a couple years I read W5 but they lost a lot of their tech related gifts, merits and fetishes on top of their Totem being retconed into Spider. If they break something as complex as a car engine they don't regain willpower next session.I am sure I am forgetting somthing bigger tho.
>>96443358First few minutes is a rant about the option to be a good guy in VtM, vs CofD early editions being mostly EEEEEEVULs and misery porn.>Guy gets jumped and has his character forcibly piloted for him.>Is understandably pissed being forced to be a sockpuppet>Guy sets up a revenge plan, but gets it okayed by the ST first>ST didn't okay the final explosion, despite green-lighting the explosive, and kicked the player instead.Explains why he didn't get jumped. Fuckers would've honestly deserved it though. What kind of dumbass doesn't do a Session Zero with new players?
>>96443132>The Technocracy isn't evil, except for the Syndicate because "muh capitalism bad."I could 100% see them doing this and not understanding that the syndicate was the convention fighting for individual rights(because Happy consumers spend more money, happy customers are loyal customers and happy workers work harder).An honest modern WoD would put the NWO behind globohomo and the last decade of consistent failure thanks to elites trying too hard to control everything.
>>96442221In my Wod lore sometimes it's fun to mix some stupid stuff into the mix>Nixion and his sentient tumor Little Dick run most of the great dam projects in Tennessee greatly bringing up electricity prices to subsidize the Tecnocrats mattress store and popcorn restaurant money laundering operation
>>96443102Crash or no, Parawolf just doesn't have the aesthetic and charm these kids are looking for.
>>96443022WW/OP writers lack self awareness
>>96443508*Leftists lack self-awareness.
Give me supernatural RAT ideas
>>96443526Most of them didn't use to be this bad, the internet broke everyone's brains. The Virtual Adepts were right, the world wasn't ready.
>>96443759>The Virtual Adepts were right, the world wasn't ready.And there isn't a way to prepare it or unfuck it within a generation.
>>96443759>>96443782We must return to monke.Choose now:Verbenna Or Dreamspeakers?
>>96443815Dreamspeakers are the least shit option but I would still would rather not get hunted by the Fera.
>>96443836Who will kill you more painfully? The Technocracy or the Fera?
>>96443132>The Wu-Keng are now the hecking brave and valid good guy faction to be emulated
>>96443848I would rather have some cyberpunk stories rather than getting fucked over in the stone age 2.
>>96443848Fera would just kill you, maybe some torture for fun. Technocracy would mindwipe and run experiments on you, have you do jobs for them, and toss you into a Matrix battery farm when they're done.
>>96443815I hope I get a cool totem.
>Curseborne players mainly play 3 families (get, battle angels and barthori)Funny.>>96443625See the ratkin, the folkloric Japanese fire rat or the genetic modified wooly rats.
>>96443942A good story could be made of Pentex experimenting on Ratkin and trying to make more genetic weapons for their own uses. Even bring in the genetically modified wooly rats as a kind of super rat soldier. The problem with them being that whenever they're released into the wild or sent on a mission the regular ratkin hunt down the tainted relentlessly, or the Pentex wererats just defect.
>>96443988Oh the the covid rat wars turning New York ratkin population pro human.
>>96444019What happens in the New York underground stays in the New York underground
>>96444042>t. nosferat
>>96443625The Mouse Utopia, but the apparatus and activity inside spontaneously form a logic engine that starts developing intelligence.
>>96444067If you wanna talk about how wererats were definitely spreading Covid to kill people sure. But it's an ugly talk to have.
>>96444109Covid look downs caused mass starvation in New York's rat population, to the point they had to go to wars against each other and resort to cannibalism of their own pups
Yeah, I've had a team working on this over the past few weeks, and what we've come up with can be reduced to two fundamental concepts. One: People aren't wearing enough hats. Two: Matter is energy. In the universe there are many energy fields which we cannot normally perceive. Some energies have a spiritual source which act upon a person's soul. However, this "soul" does not exist ab initio as orthodox Christianity teaches; it has to be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation. However, this is rarely achieved owing to man's unique ability to be distracted from spiritual matters by everyday trivia.
>>96443625NIMH Etherite rats vs Flowers for Algernon Technocratic rats
>>96437893>Thread Question: If you/your character had to have inhuman eyes, what kind of eyes would they be?Probably solid whites, or irises with an inhuman hue - maybe an impossible blue, or gold, or silver.
Are the Cheiron Group CofD's counterpart to Pentex?
>>96444130Yea I know. That caused rats to explore the streets looking for food. Happened in Washington D.C. and New Orleans too. And rats already do little wars and acts of cannibalism, the mass starvation just made it highly visible. From what I've read the Ratkin would probably just interpret it as the Wyld or Gaia as a great plague sent to punish humanity. While others think that Covid is an engineered virus made with Weaver influence that's being used to constrict the world even further with lockdowns. As for the starvation Ratkin would again see it in many different ways. Hardliners seeing it as proof their too reliant on Humans, schizos thinking it's a tactic to starve them out, etc.
>>96444213Not really. Both are evil corporations using the supernatural to their own ends, but their ends are very different. Pentex is, at the end of the day, a glorified Wyrm Cult. Their primary motive is wyrmshittery. The Cheiron Group's motives are shrouded in mystery.
>>96439951How do Gurahl fare? I remember reading them and not liking them, which disappointed me because I like bears.
>>96440228Don't forget the jumbo dongs, anon.
>>96440032Peter Pan.
>>96440362魔法使いの嫁
>>96444366The ancient magus bride? I think it pulled a bait and switch.
>>96443003I go to work then I go home.
>>96443025Where I live, it has been the 1980s since the early 2000s. I feel like I'm trapped in a time loop.
>>96444293Lack of built-in extra actions means that they can't exploit the action economy and most of their exclusive Gifts are defensive or restorative. They have access to the highest base Strength modifier but that's it really.In terms of lore, they are mostly shown to be passive and gentle protectors who don't do much and lack any real agency in the lore by design, so there's nothing especially cool about them for anyone to cling to. Gaia's Breath and bringing the dead back to life is cool and all, but it's their only real selling point.
>>96444419>>96444422No offense guys but it sounds like your lives have been overtaken by stasis. Living out the same thing in perpetuity, forever. Until you die.
>>96444490It is called "growing old". It'll happen to you.
>>96442975>ohhh no my dead game might be getting an influx of new playersWhy are grogs like this?
>>96444529>New players never cause problems what so ever, its the Oldfags that are the problems!Why are newfags like this?
>>96444557>wahhhh I can't think of a counterargument so I'll make up a strawmanWhy are grogs like this? But seriously, WoD pretty niche and getting some new blood in the community isn't the worst thing in the world, at the very least it'll make it easier to find a game.Besides if Zoomers are basing their expectations of WoD off the vidya they'll probably skim through the V5 book, realise how lame it is and bounce onto the next thing.
>>96444557>Took the obvious baitWhy are autists like this?
>>96444586New blood isn't so much the issue as the exceptions that come from the first 'exposure' to the setting/system/w.e>>96444619The bait was sitting right there, He deserved the (You)
>>96442975The late 90s were a time of incredible optimism. The cold war was over and there was no significant international conflict that the west was embroiled in, the internet was strange and new and an absolute wild west before the invention of Web 2.0, economies throughout most of the western world were absolutely booming and living a non-conformist life was becoming mainstream in a way that meant that people were no longer being shunned for having alternative interests and lifestyles. Kids who grew up in that time pretty much felt like anything was possible and they were told as much, with higher education being made more available to tell them than ever before, with the promise that they could become whatever they wanted to be.I can't blame Gen Z for wanting to experience that time period for themselves and all of the hope and freedom that it promised. At least they won't have to experience all of that potential suddenly exploding, being snatched away and/or transforming into something far uglier and less promising.
>>964430031) Staying at home isn't boring like it's supposed to be. I mean, of course people had better attention spans and were more willing to play multiple campaigns and leave the house when the alternative was watching Punkie Brewster reruns. 2) It's also not Zoomers' fault that third spaces got fucked. Boomers prefer soulless chains so Starbucks quashed all the local coffee houses(note too that Starbucks is designed to be as uncomfortable as possible so you leave ASAP). Private equity squats on swathes of storefronts and apartments and they'd rather lose money and take a tax writeoff then let some random small bookseller, dive bar, or art store open up in their properties for discounted rent . You also have the homeless hordes ruining parks, libraries, etc.
>>96444293>How do Gurahl fare? I remember reading them and not liking them, which disappointed me because I like bears.Badly. The lack of extra actions and harder rage gain effectively cripples them in any comparison, their special feature is crap, their template, even in war form, is, idiotically, worse than a woof's, and IC they are solitary, benevolent and docile, which means they would get fucked up by any pack.DESU Gurahl are probably the worst Fera in a war (because other 'weak' contenders don't have an entirely unwarranted image of tough targets, and ain't gonna fight fair or get jumped on).
>>96444646>and living a non-conformist life was becoming mainstream in a way that meant that people were no longer being shunned for having alternative interests and lifestyles.Why are you framing this as a good thing?
>>96444213Despite the corporate bullshit similarities, no. Cheiron, for the most part, just takes existing existing medical tech and tried to extrapolate how that would look like with the supernatural creatures they had written before.Pentex is trying to convey the more fucked aspects of capitalism by just making the metaphorical demons a more literal thing.
>>96444687Why are you so regressive that you think it isn't? Hyper-conformist cultures are fucking miserable.
>>96444852idk, South Korea is pretty happy isn't it?
>>96444913Not really. They're pretty unhappy unless the individual in question is rich, and even then they have immense pressure.A better example would've been Finland, another hyper conformist country that ranks as "happiest country on Earth" relatively often (please ignore the alarmingly high suicide rate).
>>96444989That was a joke.
>>96444989I think the only happy place left is Switzerland and Poland, surprisingly.
>>96443625Ratkin Plague Lord have the unique ability to shed all corruption every moon cycle. Thus you can have a Plague Lord as henchmen for Nephandi, the Wyrm, Earthbound and more, cycling between them.When asked "I am learning from enemy, and evil pays well."
>>96437893>CofDIs there anything I have to consider when using 1e material with 2e? Like Antagonists or Second Sight?
>>96443363Also, you can use Gifts to command animals to march to their deaths for you but anything technological will tell you to go fuck yourself if you try to overload it or do other rough "quick hacks" via Gifts.
>>96439770Force them to play with you nontheless. It IS worth it.Small groups of 2 or 3 players work best for it, at least in my experience. 2e is easy to get into, 1e has all the fluff you need, so mix and match. Mechanics are secondary to the story anyways.
Do any of you have suggestions when it comes to specialties in the world of darkness games? I get extremely frustrated that there seems to be the correct choice on how to get the best use of all your abilities or attributes.Is there a secret list or veterans that know a trick? So far "Tough as hell" is the most used stamina one i've seen.
>>96443895>finally return humanity to monke>some Dreamspeaker gets Computer as their totem>forms Iteration XI>human history repeats once again
>>96444646I think thats part of the appeal. Like its no secret zoomers are ageing far faster than millenials. A millenial at 50 is biologically closer to 30-35 on average but a 25 year old zoomer is closer to 40-50. They are going balding or greying in their 20's, developing more lifetime illness and debilitating conditions not just from growing up drinking energy drinks and shit from a young age but simply dealing with stresses millenials didnt as the last generation to grow up without social media and the whole post 9/11 constant fear climate pushed by the news.I've seen tons of videos showing up reposted from tiktok on other sights of someone who is 25 with a grey beard freaking out because his 52 year old neighbour told him "kids today dont know what it was like when we were their age" and thats purely because they have been living in a constant fight or flight state for most of their life and that shit physically ages you fast.So they look at millenials who can be a big fat lazy piece of shit pushing 40 and still getting carded sometimes and going "what do they have that i dont?" and really it just comes down to formative years and the 90's being the last time kids could be kids rather than "hitting the grindset" and being told they need to hurry up or be left behind by grifters trying to sell them a scam every minute of the day on a smartphone and they wish they had that.Honestly i just feel sorry for them really. People love to shit on zoomers but really imagine only ever knowing a 21st century world and all its dogshit. Thats not a life i'd want to live. No shit they look at hot goths dancing like dumbasses with no idea what "the content grind" is and go "i wish i had that".
>>96445810>People love to shit on zoomers but really imagine only ever knowing a 21st century world and all its dogshit. Thats not a life i'd want to live. No shit they look at hot goths dancing like dumbasses with no idea what "the content grind" is and go "i wish i had that".It is a weird situation where people don't have a good reason to do anything as things keep people simultaneously dated and on edge. Actual action doesn't feel like an option so people end up venting their frustrations in a mostly meaningless way like porn, drugs, gambling or shopping sprees. There's a reason why situation like Luigi are as rare as they are.tieing things back to WoD, how would the supernatural societies react to this shit? My guess would be something along the lines of Vamp factions wouldn't care, Werewolves go apeshit but don't achieve anything of note and the mages just laught.
>>96445967I would imagine the garou more than ever consider humans too wyrm tainted to be considered part of gaias sphere of natural life anymore.
>>96446011>You have micro plastics WHERE?>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I ALSO HAVE THAT?
>>96446023everyone's a honorary gnawer now
>>96446052Funny enough, that's what Pentex predicts will happen in the future.>They suspect the Bone Gnawers and Glass Walkers will be the last tribes standing in any strength (what else is to be expected of the followers of Rat and Cockroach?), and that the ragged remnants of the other tribes will pour into the cities in a desperate attempt to continue their doomed, futile crusade
>>96446132>Project LycaonFucking Zettler. Stealing budget for meaningless wunderwaffen while Magadon's antidepressants keep doing all the work.
>>96445967>mages just laughLife 2, Matter 2 to expel all the microplastics from your body and then use it as a weapon.
>>96446355Matter is entirely unnecessary.Life 2 is enough, unless a) you aren't aware of the microplastics at all, which, well, defines most of tradmages, and b) the plastics were specifically cursed to stay inside you in particular by another mage (then you'd need Prime).Tremere have a 1 ritual for expelling all foreign contaminants from their body (though, likely by design, it doesn't remove associated mental effects). Weebs have an equivalent, I believe.
Which Mage factions would make extensive use of crypto?
>>96446515All of them.
>>96446482Some people tend to highball the sphere requirements for spells out of habit.
>>96446515Syndicate, absolutely. They pretty much invented it. Fortunae and Solificati love it.Virtual Adepts harness and crack it with some success, but for the most part are just playing the seething wojak part.Everyone else believes it to be yet another technocratic scam.
>>96446561>Everyone else believes it to be yet another technocratic scam.Mostly because it is.
>>96433801The thing I was talking about, The Father's Form, is in 2e. So 2e. I think 2e is just generally better over all. It has a better sense of what the game is, the core template mechanics are a lot more interesting, the new Gift layout is better tied to Renown and the abilities have better design over all. The usual CofD caveat that 2e is built to be used with 1e and you're missing out by ignoring the older edition does apply though. 2e doesn't tend to touch stuff 1e did because those books are still useful. 2e made only minor changes to the fluff over all, and while the mechanics can be quite different in structure most of it works with only a few tweaks. A lot of mechanical options is also updated in 2e books, but the stuff that isn't mostly works as is. The biggest places you'll have trouble are with bespoke Host options from Predators, or the slew of 1e Lodges but most of that stuff is easy enough to use. The handful of 2e books also gives you a decent baseline to work off of.
>>96444913>12th highest suicide rate in the worldNot really.
>>9644665312th highest suicide rate in the world and rising!
>>96443625>96443625Classic Nosferatu rat master that levels Animalism. Only Animalism. I pair mine with a Janitor Nosferatu that's the face of a Masquerade Breach Cleaning operation. Get into buildings by looking unassuming+protection equipment+mask of a thousand faces, clean whatever mess the coterie made that week with an encyclopedic knowledge of cleaning supplies and what works on each stain, investigate opponents and build an information network of what goes on in the city by profiling the stuff they throw away, corpses go to the Ratman inside the garbage truck. Has this song on the stereo in a loop.https://youtu.be/FTEoGK1omug
>>96446653>>96446670>12th highest suicide rate in the worldIt's the first. The list deliberately mispresents deliberately misestimated data to make some countries look better or worse.
>>96446935What list?
>>96446960https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
>>96446960One on wikipedia, I assume.
>>96446515According to the Lore of the Traditions, Virtual Adepts.>>96446561If it were the Syndicate who created it, it would be actually useful and much more common place. Especially since they are all about information security and anti-censorship.
Would any of the traditions or even disparates have place for a mime? Maybe the Akashics or Ecstatics? What spheres would I need for them? I'm talking trapping people in invisible boxes, crashing them into invisible walls, climbing invisible ladders, tying and lassoing with invisible ropes, escaping into inaccessible spaces by going down their stairs. I'm merely theorycrafting for my own amusement here since I'm sure such a character would be not only annoying to play with as you'd only be able to describe their actions instead of doing any dialogue, but also surely a paradox magnet.
>>96447068I could see the VAs making the original coins, which were genuinely trying to create a currency system independent of existing institutions to siphon resources away from the Syndicate. But then the Syndicate fought back by making crypto into more and more like gambling, where people treat it as a way to get rich instead of ever actually using it as money. Similar to stocks, but with even more rugpulls and scams.
>>96447105Straight to Hollow Ones.
>>96447040That one only shows them at 12th if you don't sort the list by anything, they're 2nd highest if you sort by overall suicide rate.
>>96447105... Maybe I'm being pedantic but wouldn't it be easier to use a psychic?
>>96447105>>96447119And you're good with pretty much Forces (dip in Correspondence, Mind and Time).Paradox is more or less a non-issue, that's what high Blatancy is for. So long as you don't try anything too crazy and stay in character and place (street, station, underpass or a stage, not a bank, office or factory) of a performer everything should be coincidental.
>>96446561>>96447068Virtual Adepts and Syndicate, on their respective sides. Pretty on brand. What about the factions in Awakening though?
>>96437778Amazing as always, anon. Keep up with your good work!>>96441784My Kinfolk kinda has a Sidhe GF with Appearence 7 and tell you what: It's (unfortunatly) not that good if you put pros and cons in a scale. >>96443132>Euthanatos become the setting's villains a-la "cult of fenris" in W5At same time this is bad, I would still laugh if they did that.>Hollow Ones are antifaThat would be so fucking funny.>The Technocracy isn't evil, except for the Syndicate because "muh capitalism bad."It was already confirmed years ago Technocracy is full evil again and ST-only. >>96443815Verbena because they were allies to the Garou (Fianna to be specific) during the Impergium, according to Fianna 2e tribebook.I want my Fianna dick, thank you very much.
>>96447267Seers of the Throne, Subtle Ones, Threnodists, Quiescent, Spoilers, Trans-Engineers and Liberatores all can plausibly use it, but there's no faction that evokes immediate association like Syndicate.
>>96447522>there's no faction that evokes immediate association like SyndicateThe Ministry of Mammon says hi.
>>96443860They already got retconned out of existence by Brucato in M20 lol.
>>96447549Seers, mentioned. Also, for all that there's some profit-based overlap they're really hung up on the Matter, specifically material wealth, and greed, and don't have much in the way of gaining wealth from cutting edge sociological and digital constructs and creating said constructs that the Syndicate embodies, as far as I recall.
>>96446023Wouldn't an influx of microplastics, metal, and preservatives make someone more weaver-tainted than wyrm-tainted? Americans are so soaked in preservatives that we literally don't rot properly when we die anymore. In the vietnam war, the Vietnamese thought Americans were immortal demon-zombie things because our corpses wouldn't rot for Weeks after death and animals avoided eating them(In the same amount of time, their corpses would be bones). Wyrm is more into all the carcinogenic and immediately toxic chemicals.
>>96447105You're kinda lucky, because I've been toying with this concept over the years. I had actually crafted my own craft of mimes mostly based in Europe that lorewise were created by Marcel Marceau. Essentially their paradigm requires complete silence on their part for the magic to work so some mimes go to extremes like cutting of their tongues or removing their own vocal cords surgically, though higher ranking mimes consider that amateur behaviour.So rotes I had created were, trapping people in invisible boxes to suffocate them, super stealth, Arcane/Obfuscate type ''invisibility'' eating invisible food to temporarily satiate hunger, miming weapons (any weapon of your choice from the wod master weapon list, but it always does bashing damage and lasts a single scene; ranged weapons always only have a single ''clip'' worth of ammo. You can, of course, charge the rote with Prime for agg damage (think the Mime on Mime violence scene from Family Guy)), creating invisible beasts to attack their enemies, etc. Their preferred sphere was Mind, however the interesting part was that they don't create illusions, but actual chimaera, so changelings can see and interact with the invisible items/creatures.I was gonna do a doc write up at some point, but I was too lazy. lol
>>96447647Nobody really cared about them before that. They weren't quite as mind-numbingly boring as batini, knesset, bahari and other little shits that think themselves too special for celestial chorus, but don't tell me that demon-worshipping trannies are interesting, or something world lacked, what's with all those tzimisce and their aids-infected eastern counterparts running around.
>>96447068>Their influence over an ever-expanding collection of dark-web economic systemsIt's always jarring to remember the VA are still responsible for and the larges contributors to the dark web. That bit of lore really blows a hole into any attempt they make to look like the good guys.
>>96447680Nah, that's the defiler in action. Remember, the corruption of wyrm is because the weaver didn't let it do its job properly, making the defiler, which cannot destroy, only taint and torture slowly.Plastic is of the weaver when it's used, it should the purview of the wyrm when its time to be broken down comes. But because the actual wyrm isn't able to do its job in places it's being constrained by the weaver, the defiler gets full reign to have those preservatives and plastics cause cancer, disease, etc.
>>96447715Tbh I kinda like how weird some of their rotes and demonic investments get. I also feel like they make complete sense in the context of the 90s where an American writer who's never set foot in Asia, but has been exposed to ultra violent anime filled with androgynous/crossdressing characters. They were cut from the same cloth as the Kuei Jin lol.
For me, it's the Samsa
>>96447761>making the defiler, which cannot destroy, only taint and torture slowly.Anon, that's not true at all. The wyrm is absolutely able to destroy still, even the Garou point out that Death wouldn't be a thing if the wyrm wasn't able to do its job at all. The wyrm is trapped to only be able to perform its job when and where the weaver allows it to. That's why the hydra exists, they're fragments of the balance wyrm slithering between the weavers webs to corrupt her works in the wyrms attempt to eat away the prison."Corruption" itself is just destruction slowed down to a longer timescale. Preservation is completely contrary to everything the wyrm stands for even as a corrupter, and therefore would belong solely to the weaver.(On a meta sense, making everything bad in the material world the fault of the wyrm is against the central theme of werewolf. A lot of the bad shit Should be attributed completely to the weaver, otherwise the weaver becomes the unironic pro-humanity Good choice)
Awakening fags. How do you respond?>>96447802>>96447830
>>96447808I like the old spider guy too
>>96447841All archmages have a Pax mandated cat sitting inside their golden roads, watching their every move, making sure they don’t violate the Pax.
>>96447650>Also, for all that there's some profit-based overlap they're really hung up on the Matter, specifically material wealth, and greed, and don't have much in the way of gaining wealth from cutting edge sociological and digital constructs and creating said constructs that the Syndicate embodies, as far as I recall.Oh shit, so that's why they've been in decline since the beginning of the information age.
>>96447841The Supernal having precedence over all other realms pisses me off.
It would be cool if there was a cool with a bunch of different ways to interpret or mix the various splats. What if the God Machine WAS the ruins of the Celestial Ladder? What if it wasn’t? Does it matter? We’re all tossing around ideas here. The Archmage book even plays with the possibility that the WoD is just one big game simulation, and it’s probably the correct one. It
>>96447993I'm fine with any overlap that doesn't presume DtF being correct about anything involving other splats.
>>96447841It's funny because it's true.
>>96447993That kind of thing was more classic world of darknesses wheelhouse. Speculation on if the weaver was really lucifer, if wod was possible future of the exaulted setting, etc, was the bread and butter of old metaplot before time of judgement ruined everythig with author headcanons.
>>96441050In my upcoming game I’m including two humans with true faith 4, four with 3, and a bakers dozen with 1-2. Also a lot of wolves with most of them with at least 1 rank 3 gift. I am going to remind them that there’s a lot of scary things that go bump in the night and statistically speaking most of them aren’t vampires.
In mage, I can deny the existence of space, right >>>/v/719555847
>>96448072So the owod lore was more vague and mysterious with soft connections all over the place, like Dark Souls?
>>96448406Yes, but everyone else disagreesAlso space is the spirit world and dinosaurs live under the skin of the earth in the hollow earth which is in fact space.
>>96448406In Ascension, space is objectively not real, it's spirit world type stuff. Unless you mean physical space in general, in which case that's still true, the end goal for some groups is to make everything coexist in a single point, the sphere of Correspondence is basically lesser versions of that.
>>96448441>Also space is the spirit world and dinosaurs live under the skin of the earth in the hollow earth which is in fact space.Meds.>>96448443>In Ascension, space is objectively not realYou tell them sis. The earth is SO flat.
>>96448458>t. technocratic drone
>>96447332>It was already confirmed years ago Technocracy is full evil again and ST-only.This kind of assumption makes me hate WoD sometimes desu. Why can't I play the bad guys? Why can't I play a Man in Black fed MKUltraing people? 5th Edition has only made this worse.
Fishmalks are a valid way to play. It’s just that most ST are unable to keep up with TRVE role-playing.
>>96448406>>96448443Space as we, the Sleepers, know it was engineered hehe by the Void Engineers. We ‘know’ what’s out there because they ‘told’ us what’s out there, so we don’t need to inspect any closer and can go on with the with of our lives. The Awakened know better.
>>96448622Kicking a fishmalk is a valid response to annoyance.
>>96448622>>96448698Fishmalks taste a little rotten if not properly seasoned.
>Malkavians are the disturbed of the mind>Nosferatu are the disturbed of the bodyWho among the Damned are the disturbed of the soul?
>>96448715Ravnos.
>>96448492Not everything needs an "adaptation for newer audiences". Some things are better dead.
>>96448409Yep. Before the end of revised shat on everything, the metaplot was pretty much a "Choose your own adventure" of various plot threads that merged several different splats. All of said threads also conflicted with each other because they were in-universe perspectives. Old wod was built to make players feel like a 90's conspiracy theorist, blood-shot eyes scrolling through government documents and hidden forums at 3 AM as you slowly piece together the fact the CIA killed jfk and that big oil is what killed nuclear power.It's a harder vibe to capture in current days, when conspiracies are so fucking blatant that everyone with two braincells can see them.
>>96448715All
>>96448715Tzimisces, on account of getting their souls eaten-supplanted by an alien spirit parasite and thus internalising fomori condition.Salubri, on account of being soul-stealing muppets with delusions of sanctity.Tremere, for eating the former two.
>>96448406Trads and Crats might call them something else but it is objectively real.
according to the W20 breed book, these are considered the ''sexy'' fera.thoughts?
>>96448908I'd fuck a spider before a dog.
>>96448908Children having a measuring contest in a sandbox.
>>96448908but Garou are literally the sexiest of them all tho? like who doesn't want some beast to hunt you through the forest until it pins you down and ravages you out of primal lust?
>>96448908Terrible thoughtsHorrible thoughts, even. I think that's enough of that
>>96448406Space exists but is artificial because mage
>>96448908>Bastet, KitsuneSure>NagahI can see it>AnanasiWut
>>96448908Spider Girls, Cat Girls, Fox Girls and Snake Girls.Makes sense, they are popular archtypes.
>>96448945That sounds like a joke porn power
>>96448908>Christopher, my son, did I ever tell you the full story of Shelob? You know, the monstrous spider - descended from the vile Ungoliant! - which I used to read aloud of in our Oxford meetings of the Inklings? Well what I didn't mention back then was Shelob could also transform into a totally hot babe: all pale and dark and wan like Rebecca in Ivanhoe or what will later come to be known as the goth subculture. In fact she looked very much like the pornographic actress Stoya who will be born 13 years after I die. Christopher, I will be entrusting you with my estate. If there is ever a videogame adaptation of my work you must make sure they get this Shelob right - make sure she is what the Anglo-Saxons would have called a hæða ecge, a real sexy bitch.
>>96448982>Ananasi>WutAnanasi don't have Rage, so the primal-seduction power all changers get is always at minimum difficulty for them. They're even better at seducing people than Vampires, and could probably hunt vampires as a food source if ananasa didn't make them violently allergic to vampire blood(barring the occasional vitae-immune one).
>>96449040Eh, it's a Fomori flaw. Either you embrace the disturbing or kill it with incredible hate and might.
Fledgling Hunter ST here, looking for some help involving Werewolves.My two players are about to end up stranded in the Virginian wilderness after a plane crash. I want them to encounter a werewolf living out in the countryside that will assist them and potentially serve as a future contact. But I don’t know much about WoD/CofD werewolves besides them being breathing blenders. What would be good motivations/goals of a werewolf like this? What might have them ally with Hunters, assuming they aren’t reveling that they’re a Werewolf?
>>96449065Not fomori, mokole's.
>>96449085Scale him back as a kinfolk? Then you won't be tempted to overshare that he's a werewolf and have players feel duty bound to try fighting him. He can always manifest as a werewolf later after the players see him as an ally or friend. Then there's no immediate involvement of a tribe either.
>>96449085I mean, being a good person? A plane crash survivor sounds sympathetic enough.Outside of Red Talons, many of them would probably help.As for allying with them and etc, Werewolves live in packs, which is part of a larger Sept, which usually belongs to a Tribe, which is part of the Garou Nation.They aren't really looking for lone hunters for alliance is what I am saying. But if there is a mutual threat in the horizon and they have a common enemy, I don't see why not.
Has anyone else seen this? It looks like even bloodlines tourists are banding together with cwod OGs in their hatred of paradox:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FECPRtUziC0
>>96449085The Werewolf could just want to help them. It doesn't have to be an autistic rage monster 24/7. In CofD the Werewolves are all about territory and the Hunt (with a capital H) so maybe the PCs can assist them in some way with an issue the Werewolf is struggling with. If they're a singular Werewolf you could always offer them a hand in finding a pack for them to join. Maybe he joins the PCs for a bit of a road trip?
>>96449085Just a point to remember: Werewolves are NEVER alone unless they're ronin(exiled werewolves that're falling to the wyrm). Your hunters are either likely to come across an entire pack/sect or another changer that isn't a werewolf.Given the contest, a Gurahl(werebear given the directive to heal and pretect the wild places) would probably be a better NPC to use.
>>96449319>wod is bought by a company called Paradox, who from then on constantly causes backlashIt's shit like this that makes me think God has a morbid sense of humor.
>>96449368They aren't literally NEVER alone. They can split up for practical proposes if the situation calls for it. Or they could be forcibly separated>>96449085Maybe the pack the werewolf belongs to just had a run in with some particularly nasty leeches (vampires) and all but your garou dmpc are killed or at least down for the count. The last remaining vampire is near out of blood and flees, with the werewolf in chase. The vampire runs across the players, thinks "what luck!" and goes to drain them. While the vampire and PCs are fighting, they hear a howl, the vampire exists stage left pronto, and the werewolf chases after but loses the trail. Then on his way back finds the PCs, and assumes they're kinfolk because they aren't showing the usual delirium response (normal humans go catatonic or flee when seeing werewolves, kinfolk - humans born of werewolves - don't do that, and the veil - or werewolf version of the masquerade - doesn't apply to kinfolk). He starts talking werewolf shop, asking why they're out of their usual territory, what pack they belong to, players are confused and say they're just hunters, garou is confused but certainly wouldn't be hostile. Could build relationship from there, starting with mutually hunting down this last vampire that's in the woods somewhere.
>>96449539Exits* stage leftAlso, if one of your players is female, there's an all female tribe of werewolves that are honor bound to help women in need, and being attacked by a vampire is about as in need as you can get
>>96449085There's a lot of differences between WoD and CofD Werewolves. WoD werewolves are angry eco warriors fighting against some valid targets but also anyone who pisses them off. CofD Werewolves are all about keeping balance between the spirits and the "flesh" or physical world. A common enemy is always cause to work together. Of the two, I'd say the latter are more likely to be a friendly contact than the former, as WoD Werewolves have a penchant for chauvinism towards humans, though it isn't impossible. Both typically run in packs, lone wolves are rare but possible in both. Personally, I'd advise against having an ally Werewolf in either case, as both have a problem where they do a lot of the same things hunters do (fighting, teamwork) but better, and with weaknesses that Hunters don't really cover well. So your players would just have an ally that's them but far stronger while still being a supernatural "other".
>>96449319>you remember bloodlines 1 as better than it wasThis shill line makes my blood boil. If Bloodlines was so bad, why are you using its name and reputation to sell your by the numbers, linear, derivative punch game with the vaguest suggestion of dialogue options?
I dont understand movement in X20.Do you just move 1/2 running speed+take an action? Is moving an action by itself?W20 says you can only move 1 or 2 yards for free and moving more is an action
>>96445666Nothing at all guys?
>>96449319What paradox did now? Put clans under dlc?
>>96449574In my experience, while both kinds can be hostile or cooperative, or frenzy for no good reason, it's F2e werewolves who are pain to deal with, because they're more pissy over stupid shit, waaay more territorial, don't really have a problem with murdering upstanding, law-abiding humans (old woofs really try to avoid murdering untainted humans if they can help it, new murder for parking tickets, noise complaints and other shit that's their fault) and don't have a bigger threat you can fight together and bond over.With old woofs, while you have to be cautious, it's only a fight if you're a vampire or it's a dipshit gang, and even then all but crazed beasts have some peculiarity to facilitate a murder-free if not cordial encounter. Not without risks, of course, werewolves are likely the most volatile playable supernatural you'd ever meet, but I really had much easier time coexisting with garou than uratha.
>>96449804They announced that they've gutted even more of the game as Day 1 DLC.
>>96449804>What paradox did now? Put clans under dlc?Nobody tell 'im.
>>96445666>>96449780At least in my group, we avoid specialties that would be applicable all (or almost all) the time. When you get one, the st may ask you for situations where your specialty is *not* going to help (if that isn't obvious).
>>96449274>>96449332>>96449368>>96449574Sounds like doing a werewolf would require a lot more research and knowledge that I don’t currently have… I don’t know what the septs or tribes are at all. >>96449085What makes Kinfolk different from regular humans? Do they have better senses or something?
>>96449999Kinfolk share the genome, they have recessive Garou traits.
>96449539I like the idea, but wouldn’t a vampire that takes on an entire pack of werewolves be really strong? They’ve only just become hunters a day ago in-game, so I don’t know if they’re ready for something like that.>>96449368Interesting. Where could I read more on Gurahls? I’ve never heard of them before.>>96449868Ohh… I don’t like the sound of that. So old werewolves are more likely to not blender them, okay. I’m not looking for them to fight, it’s just more of a hook for later to pull a “they might be a ‘monster’, but are they really a monster” moment later in the campaign.
>>96450031* >>96449539
>>96449999>Sounds like doing a werewolf would require a lot more research and knowledge that I don’t currently have… I don’t know what the septs or tribes are at all.If you want to do Werewolves accurate to either WoD or CofD. If you just want "a werewolf", don't listen to the loreheads, you're under zero obligation to run a supernatural as it is presented in its own gameline. What Hunter are you even running?
>>96449999>quads checkedSepts are werewolf home bases where like-minded packs gather. They go there to conduct rituals, rest, etc. Tribes are analagous to clans in VtM, if you're familiar with that. There's thirteen of them (used to be more), each has a slightly different set of powers they share (but with lots of overlap with other tribes), general outlook on life, etc. They aren't genetic, you /can/ leave a tribe and join another if you really want, but almost always you join whatever tribe your parents are in. Kinfolk don't experience delirium when they see a werewolf that has shifted, but that's really about the only difference. Very rarely they can have gnosis (the stat that powers werewolf magic) and use some simple gifts, but 99 times out of 100 they're just humans (humans with a pretty shitty lot in life, at that).As someone who just read through the WtA V20 core book to get a better idea of what werewolves are like for his VtM game, you really don't need to bother doing research if you don't want to. A read through of some wiki pages is plenty unless you actually want to run werewolf. Otherwise give him enough stats to be a blender, know that werewolves hate vampires, big corporations that pollute the earth, evil spirits, etc. and while they mostly look down on humans they would probably be appreciative of ones that hunt vampires and other wyrmish creatures, even if they think the hunters efforts are a little futile compared to what a werewolf can do.>>96450031>Wouldn't a vampire that takes on an entire pack of werewolves be really strong?Yeah. I was imagining a group of vampire and a pack of werewolves, and they've each killed off or gravely wounded each other so there's only one of each left standing, so it's easier to hunters to tip the balance one way or another. Up to you though, of course.
>>96449706>I dont understand movement in X20.They expect this shit to be handwaved because theater of the mind and all that jazz.
>>96450029>recessive Garou traitsAnon there's a good reason Revised stopped referring to the instrument of Garou heritage as a recessive gene, and that's because recessive traits generally indicate that a given gene's code is turned off; the protein that it has the instructions for is clipped or completely nonfunctional. Referring to it as such ws from long before the line had to do research on genetics to present something for DNA's chapter of Book of the Weaver, and it seems like after they produced that, they didn't feel that it was something that they could keep, so they didn't.>>96449999Kinfolk don't have the inborn utter terror of Crinos and can learn some Gifts if circumstances align to allow it and they have the traits for it (so nothing that requires Rage and only rarely ever for Gnosis).Septs are local collections of Garou gathered in defense of a caern. Tribes are one of the three splat axes of being a Garou, the other being Breed (your birth form) and Auspice (sign of the moon you were born under).>>96449054They're not allergic to it, they're wholly immune to it - they can't be ghouled, blood bound, or embraced. And, if the need arises, they do, in fact, consume vampires.>>96447332>According to the Fianna 2e tribebookCompletely disowned by the line because of the shit way that it handled their relation to Irish sectarian violence.
>>96450031>Where could I read more on Gurahls?The old Breedbook Gurahl, it'll be in the mega with all the other Breedbooks. WtA20 has a book with all the changing breeds, but it's complete garbage.
>>96450031That's my experience as a reader and player, mind. Sizeable, but being a Storyteller you have full control over werewolves and their demeanour and agreeability. At the very least, few werewolves in either world would murder a human outright, so if your players appeared in his area unwillingly and didn't give him an insult even if he doesn't welcome their presence he'd rather see them on their way than attack them.What you need to keep in mind, religious duties and renown aside, is merely that werewolves are consummate survivalists with pack mentality and occasional frenzy hazard.Pack mentality is the useful feature here because, as I understand it, you want your werewolf to be alone? That might be a good reason why he'd be willing to work with your guys, if his pack got killed off, or he got banished from his tribe over something. He wouldn't reveal himself immediately, but give them enough common threats or even things to work together on and if they fit he'd consider your party as "us" in "us vs them".
>>96450068Vigil, 2nd Edition.>>96450309Okay, I’ll take a look.
>>96450411>Vigil, 2nd Edition.Honestly bro just check out the HtV1e book Spirit Slayers. It'd be a bitch to convert apoc shifters over terribly accurately so there's good mechanical advice in there, and setting agnostic werewolf plot hooks if you don't find any of the apoc stuff to your liking. Use the stuff in that book + any stuff in 2e monster creation that you like and you could make a pretty decent DIY shapeshifter of any stripe.I might second the werebear angle if you want oWoD lore since they're more solitary and don't have a reputation for being raging assholes if you must have a friendly shapeshifter.
>>96450139>>96450319Okay, so a werewolf who’s lost their pack would be good, especially if the hunters help them finish off whatever took out their pack. Might come back to benefit them in the future, too.>>96450445Okay, I’ll take a look at those too. I don’t mind having a werewolf, even with their penchant for assholery, since I used them as my example of aggravated damage when teaching my players the game. I think they’d get a kick out of having one of their allies in the future being a werewolf. I am curious about the werebear though, so I’ll have to weigh my options.
Drawfag here, with a few new things. I went back and re-approached this Ferectoi (bane child) and her Pentex-assigned "teacher" and "babysitter".>>96447808I'm flattered that people still remember this old pic! I'm glad you enjoy it! I'll be making some Samsa again soon!>>96447852I'm still doing some last polishing on that one!>>96447332Thanks so much, I intend to!
And here I sketched up the front counter of an O'Tooley's!
>>96450605Browse around, see what you like, stick to your vision though. I could see either a lone wolf or a werebear working. I'm of the personal opinion that lore is highly secondary to what works for your narrative.Out of curiosity when you say "virginia wilderness", whereabouts were you thinking. I'm a Virginian and there's a lot of variety in the environments you can find around here.
>>96450635Holy shit, that's one of yours? I just found it on google while looking for a Samsa pic. I'm looking forwards to seeing more Samsa from you, just recently discovered them and they've quickly become my favourite changing breed.
>>96450649>Deformed minimun wage worker watching another guy OD mid order.Sounds like calm day at the joint, they won't even have to restock the paddies this week.
>>96450635Add some numbers and make a full tarot setting of freaks!
>>96450668Yep! I made it some time ago! I'll repost my Ananasi for you, if you're on a creepy-crawly bent.>>96450698I like to imagine about just how many drugs are in O'Tooley's food products! I've found that there really isn't all that much material on the "ground-level" evil of Pentex, like what their products do to the average human, etc. There is SOME, but I wish it were explored a bit more.
Oh yes, and a little corporate mascot I sketched up for Pentex!
>>96450718>>96450668I forgot to add, this Ananasi pic is only a WIP at the moment, not completed!
>>96439423>>96439843This. Yes. Turn down the lights and everyone contributes to the World of Darkness. The Storyteller was concerned about "setting scenes" properly and hitting "story beats" for the most part. If your game was turning into dice pools, you were doing something wrong.
>>96450651Thanks. When it came to the wilderness, I just envisioned a sort of hilly forested area, nothing too specific. I’m from South Florida, so I’m not very familiar with terrains that aren’t flat. The doomed flight they’re on was going from Georgia to West Virginia, so I assumed they’d crash somewhere on the west side of Virginia.
>>96450718>I like to imagine about just how many drugs are in O'Tooley's food products!Just the normal stuff you find in irl scandals, just more of it. Maybe actual opium like that one noodle restaurant but that sounds like something a bagle restaurant would have first.
>>96450309>Complete garbageNo, but it does have startlingly low production values and artists who did not fit with the setting. The basic mechanics given are generally a much-needed polishing of prior systems.
>>96450792There's plenty of Appalachia still in Virginia proper. If you wanted to could even have them crash in the blue ridge. Beautiful country, though not that remote. The closer to the border to WV, the more remote things will get if you want real "hillbilly".
>>96450882You think so? I feel like O'Tooley's burgers are chock full of drugs that we don't even have a name for, fomori-extratives, Wyrm-mutated bugs, and all sorts of ultra-addictive stuff. Not to mention the meat probably not being from "normal" cows, if the meat is even from cows at all....
>>96450989Pentex actually has a secret breeding stock of Wyrm'd Apis and that's what O'Tolley's meat is made out of
>>96451023That's a good idea! I also imagined that quite a bit of their meat also comes from A) human cattle and B) nameless masses of wyrmish flesh. Yummy!
>>96450989The meat is indeed from cows. Mad cows.It's the bbq rib sandwich the one that's made of some weird maggot paste and the employees regularly step on the lettuce containers, you know, the last thing you'd want in your O'Tooley's burger is someone's bane fungus. But as it turns out, that might be what you get.The fries are safe to eat, though.t. former worker.
>>96451039I meant it more as a joke, if Pentex had enough Apis to supply the equivalent of McDonalds that would make them the most populous supernatural in the World of Darkness.
>>96450989Fair, odds are the vegan related posts painted a bad enough picture that I went "eh this seems evil to the point "separate" supernatural stuff wouldn't really add anything". Like yeah the hormones are extra bad they are Wyrm tained but seving long pig feels cartoony enough to "separate" from real events.
>>96451074Wyrm Tainted crops and cattle a la Monsanto would outnumber everyone and their mother, it is a matter of how do you make that work with your game.
>>96451074I think that creatures DESCENDED from Apis genetics would work fine, bred to be huge and grotesque mockeries of cattle. Butchering and serving mutated meat drenched in drugs and exposed to banes feels right at home for Pentex.But can't forget the "veggie" burger (made from genuine human vegetables) and the new eco-friendly bug burgers, for the environmentally conscious citizen (now made with organic petroleum!).
>>96451039>>96451040>>96451087Imagine an O'Tolley's Impossible Meat burger. The sheer amount of preservatives and chemicals that just immediately put someone on the path to becoming a Fomori. Like how the Burger King Impossible Whopper just had obscene amounts of Estrogen in it.
>>96451106Spirits, including Wyrm ones, already outnumber everything else in WoD so no big deal
>>96451131>bred to be huge and grotesqueWeirdly, modern cattle are actually midgets compared to what wild aurochs were. They were bred that way be necessity, good luck trying to rangle an angry bull when its head was the size of your torso and it's horns were as big as your arms.
>>96451155My thoughts exactly. Wouldn't it be just the perfect mockery of the Fera and Gaia?>>96451183When I said huge and grotesque, I meant more like a shuffling mass of flesh, maybe even with multiple diseased heads.
>>96451183To be fair, allegedly, it took until the 1900s before ranching bison became viable at large scales.
>>96451204Absolutely. Wyrm tainted Impossible Burgers would also be a great way to trick environmentalists and vegans into actively making the world worse. Make them think they're making the "environmental" choice when in reality they're eating something so unnatural it won't even rot.
You know?An edgy take on current events would say that Pentex puts banes in trans teens' hormones to make them go shoot up schools and churches.But there's also those pedo-satanic discord groups that make kids kill their pets and commit mass shootings, those feel very Nephandi.
>>96451275pentex would totally do that and also sell guns that are easier for kids and teens to usefor self defense of course
Since psychics are a thing in WOD especially WTA think Werewolves would ever intermarry with them and potentially create psychic werewolves? Psychics are tracked down by Pentex owned companies to turn them into Fomori. But by themselves psychics aren't Wyrm tainted. Werewolves are also interested in finding strong mates so that they have strong offspring, and having the power to move things with your mind is pretty powerful. As for how the wolves rationalize it they can explain away as psychic powers being gifts from Gaia and the humans that gained such abilities were worthy or especially close to nature.
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>>96451297Don't forget a Pentex subsidiary that makes the most shitty mass produced guns known to man. Like Keltec or Hi-Point on meth and crack. Shitty guns that discharge easily and ammo that just fucking explodes.
>>96451309by rules psychics are a sort of sorcerer so garou would never inherit these powers. kinfolk might but most garou don't really like to empower them
>>96451353"Gun's don't kill people, people kill people. Except for Pentex guns, they really WILL shoot you all on their own. Because they hate you, on a personal level."
>>96451309Inherited powers rarely overlap and psychics aren't really strong enough to attract the attention of the fera.
>>96451234But that's terrible. People would still feel satisfied anyway about having done their part for the day and like anything more is imposing.
>>96451372based i hate everyone too. give me 10
>>96450944That sounds sick, actually. Getting saved by some rugged wilderness stranger in the Appalachians gives me a lot to work with. I appreciate the suggestions, and everyone else’s help as well. Thank you!
>>96451366Garou have kids with sorcerers and mages all the time. One of rare instances in WOD where supernatural groups overlap. If I remember correctly in the "Rage Across Appalachia" book there's a bunch of examples of Garou born to Mage and Faerie parents. Must make for some interesting family reunions. >>96451373My idea for Psychic Werewolves is that there was a huge burst of psychics bring born in the 60s to 90s which led to all the Pentex experiments on them. Werewolves raid a Pentex research lab and one of the pack falls in love with one the psychics they end up freeing. Sort of like a fairy tale. Or a werewolf (probably a bone gnawer or Child of Gaia) encounters a psychic on the streets, anyways both of them bond over how they can never truly be accepted in human society. Years later a Garou is born with the power of the psychic parent. I imagine it could work like a rank one starting gift that could be made stronger over time. The problems being spirits are distrustful of the wolf because of its innate abilities, doubly so for elders and the rest of Garou society.
hey guys? my brother joined some weird college fraternity called tytalus and now he is not answering his phone... should i be worried?
>>96450728cute
>>96451372>>96451404The guns work well enough for Pentex's goals but the tainted firearms would inevitably bite them in the ass. The malfunction prone guns and ammo would inevitably be handed out to First Teams and any other armed personnel. Fighting were beasts is bad enough but never knowing if you sidearm is gonna misfire or just explode on you would be another hell all together.
Reminder that if you're playing WoD and you're not allowed to pull off something like this in a chronicle, your ST is doing it wrong.
>>96451547I would never allow someone to desecrate the glorious strength of nippon steel
>>96451499Sounds like a good time.
>>96451499>huge burst of psychics bring born in the 60s to 90sAre you doing a Children of the Atom thing with LSD?
>>96451527>tytalusToo late, he's already a fag. If you do happen to see him, tell him Criamon was right.
>>96451587Don't worry, that was just inferior gaijin steel.
>>96451644Actually yes I suppose so. Just imagine that all crazy spiritual stuff happening, the apocalypse, and the turn of the millennium in WOD has caused humans to evolve psychic abilities. Or Gaia gifted them, whatever you want. In the end though Psy-Wolves would act as major support for the Garou in the never ending arms race they find themselves in. Besides a 9 foot tall killing machine with telekinesis would a threat like no other, and one with telepathy would be unmatched in information gathering.
>>96451727Folded only 999 times?
>>96451744Correct.
>>96451547God anime is so cringeAnd I bet you expect vampires to catch bullets as well?
>>96451773Japan has fallen, millions must die.
>>96451972>God anime is so cringeNo u>And I bet you expect vampires to catch bullets as well?If you don't, you should never ST a Vampire game. Or any other for that matter.
>>96447119Oh nice, this does seem like what I'm looking for. It even mentions Sartre so maybe I can work in there some french existentialism. Why a mime? For embracing the absurd and mocking it of course. >>96447119>>96447178Thanks, I barely know the intricacies of mage cosmology so my I'd have to take into account the context the magic would be used in also helps. Had never heard of Blatancy while eyeing up Mage books but I can see how it'd help sell the act. Though it does mean the character wouldn't be able to Wile E. Coyote his way out of a lot of situations without warming up the sleepers first .>>96447705>their paradigm requires complete silence on their part for the magic to workI like it as a restriction.>though higher ranking mimes consider that amateur behaviour. Kekkest.>miming weapons (any weapon of your choice from the wod master weapon list, but it always does bashing damage and lasts a single sceneExcellent idea, I was actually thinking of the PC using a finger gun ala TF2 heavy but thought that might have been too silly .
>>96451990>Japan has fallen, millions must die.They are already dead, they just still walk.
>>96452010>Excellent idea, I was actually thinking of the PC using a finger gun ala TF2 heavy but thought that might have been too silly .Perish the thought.
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>>96452344I was honestly expecting a lasombra joke in the beginning.
>>96452344Pretty based actually.
Playing Persona 3 for the first time and this is just a Changeling chronicle isn’t it?
>>96448406You'll have to ask a Mastigos.
>>96452520If anything, it's more an Ascension chronicle>A group of Orphans adept in Forces and Spirit stumble upon a Horizon Realm (Tartarus nad its "Dark Hour")
https://www.youtube.com/@themalkavianbible
>>96452588Bro, I'm not clicking that shit.
>>96452577Then who is Igor if not a Fae feeding on human emotions (social links)
>>96452690nta. but it's just a old schizo youtube channel some guy made for his malkavian character over a decade ago
>>96452698nta, but igor is a high umbra spirit born of human's shared subconsiousness that possesses a puppet and serves the greater incarna philemon
>>96451479https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ridge_Mountains
>>96451972https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttN1xRFjsQ
>>96451233Remembering that our ancient ancestors tamed Aurochs and competed for territory with pick related reallys drives home how much more badass than us they were.We wouldn't survive 5 minutes in the ice age, but our Great x 1000 gran-fathers did it while killing these thing with a fucking stick.
>>96451309Garou? No.The changers innately capable of being psychic are the catgirls and foxirls(translated from memes: Bastet and Kitsune). They're the only ones really capable of inheriting the psychic template without weird magic getting involved.
>>96452853Gee, catgirl! How come your st lets you have hedge magic and psychic powers?
>>96453202cause they are the same thing
>>96452823Sticks and rocks, just can't beat'em.
>Cringe lame and trannypilled"Totally not Neo with superficial Lain aesthetics" Mercurial Elite>Based rad and neonpilledTron/GitS Virtual AdeptKnow the difference. It could save your life.
>>96453505I actually like the Mercurial Elite name change. It’s more in line with the mystic motif with the rest of the Traditions. Plus, it definitely makes the Hermetics seethe.
>>96451972Do yours... not?
>>96451972BooooThere are Assamites that parry/dodge everything anime style.Reminder, parrying can kill the opponent.
Ok, I think I did enough that it is presentable now. The Dagon the Descent document has been updated, more powers, more info about life underwater, details on how exactly Deep Ones differ from Mortals. Still no details on how to join Dagon, mechanically speaking, as the Author wants to be the one to write it, as such, Deep One Gameplay/Daily Life of the Gillman is still incomplete. Lineage based Merits exist, but have not yet been written down, still need to think on them a bit. As always, please excuse the lack of crunch regarding the Sorcerous Deep Magick Powers, as I, the co-author, am a complete no-games regarding WoD and do not trust myself to finish these powers without solid testing or feedback from people who actually managed to have a session. If anyone is interested, please your feedback and criticism is always welcomed. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a2bPJfP-vnqZ0Jevb1qaHLaQZbE5IejaoyyrWXbfaQM/edit?usp=drivesdk
Does fog of ages still exists in Requiem 2e?
>>96454085Thanks for the update.
>>96454168Yeah but it's now a separate creature that feeds on sleeping vampires.
>>96454085I don't understand the rationale behind the Selkie Metamorphosis.
>>96452520Mage, everyone gets Manifest Avatar merit.>>96452698Wrinkle is Igor if he picked a time police job, but Igor might also be just a High Umbrood or one of MC's Avatar manifestations since in P3 other people don't enter the Velvet Room, you can treat those experiences as MC's Seekings.
>>96454257Its an example. The Metamorphosis Cure turns you into a Free Fin, which is a Gillman immune to Sanity and outside of Dagon’s influence.”Selkies” are Free Fin that have the Mutation “Skinchanger” meaning that they are stuck in animal form until a specific condition, in this case, a full Moon, manifests itself. Selkies are just an example, in Dagon, most benign aquatic mythological creatures are considered Free-Fin, which are Gillmen that have repurposed the Hatching, severing their connection to Dagon and their original Lineage. There are no Selkies, some Free-Fin just choose to wear seal skins as their ritual, which becomes their Free-Fin Mutation. Its a Chicken-and-Egg situation.
>>96453202Because they are hot.And probably because a lot of interbreeding with Mages across the centuries as familiars and censors.
>>96454430>they love being petted and stroked and revel in new sensationsThey are fucking
>>96454430I had a lynx companion as a Tremere once.Nothing sensual, just squatted in the attic, mooched off my food, competed with gargoyles and other elementals at murdering spies and pigeons.
>>96454476Not just that, a Bastet might just consider the mage her property.
>>96454168Yes, it's just downplayed and more of a thing that can happen rather than a thing everyone is always dealing with.
Which Sidhe House would you say is the "lovable alpha bitch" House? Like, arrogant and smug, but in a good way, and not to the point of being utterly insufferable?>>96447332>My Kinfolk kinda has a Sidhe GF with Appearence 7 and tell you what: It's (unfortunatly) not that good if you put pros and cons in a scale.We want the details
>>96453987>all the cool tricks are for ass-mites onlyI'm so sick of the ethnic clans it's unreal.
>>96455418Anyone can learn the combination discipline though so long as they have auspex and celerity. So Toreadors can do it too.
>>96455514Toreadors only ever use Celerity to twerk. They're useless.
>>96455418These aren't clan merits.You only need required Celerity and Auspex for combo disciplines, and you can create your own variations.
>>96449706Moving is an action and to move and take another action you must split the dice pool
>>96449706Just use V20s movement, W20 didn't bother that much beyond handwaving it.
>>96454999Fiona are basically CtD-Toreador
Silly thought but lets try to exclude mage for a moment. How would you make Radahn from Elden Ring?
>>96455802>undead sex slave of some incestuous fagGiovanni ghoul?
>>96455802A Seelie Troll knight with access to a homebrewed gravity-based Art for his Cantrips.
>>96455802Tremere focused on Rego Motus / Movement of the Mind, dipping into Rego Elementum / Elemental Mastery for Elemental Strength.
Nosferatu that cultivates a truly disgusting smell to hide that he's always slathered in fire-retardant gel as a precaution.
Somebody make a new thread before I do with pic rel.
>>96455776I kinda see it, but the Fiona don't quite capture that "popular mean girl/queen bee" energy enough in my eyes. Outside of them, the closest I can think of would be the Ailil
>>96455969It's a sliding scale, the Fiona is more Alpha while the Ailil is more Bitch
>>96455802>>96455874I second Seelie Troll. Dragon's Ire and Wayfare can basically emulate everything he does. Though if you actually want to face Gods or Incarnas or whatever, a Changelings can only channel their True Fae in Deep Dreaming these days.
>>96455948Out of all the ways they could better resist fire or use a skunk smell, why this option?
>>96456103I portray the Dragon's Ire as the character going SSJ and the music ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcY2_ST1mZ8
New thread!>>96456215>>96456215>>96456215
