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First for Iron Warriors.

>>96446708

>TQ

I don't like that model very much, but a titan with a cathedral on its back is such a classic Warhammer concept that I have to defend it. However, in the case I'd ever buy a titan, I'd go for a more modern design.

How does solar auxilia play in 3.0? Having those mechanicum detachments looks pretty fun, shame that they can't get ursaraxii in those. But I guess that's what allies are for.

>>96446708
>tq
Yes, it helps that for the new titan types they took very direct inspiration from the older sketches.

>>96446735
>cathedral
Not all emperor titans have it. Iirc it's an option even in the older AT stuff.

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>>96446708
>TQ
Imperator was made with the predecessors of modern titan designs in mind. Current Mars pattern Warlord and Warhound are just evolutions of the original (pre-)Epic ones. Now, of course a Numperor titan would tone down some of the fancier elements and add more of the rounded body paneling found on new super-heavies (as seen in more modern art of the things), but unless they go full redesign for production purposes, I don't see how it couldn't fit design wise.

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>>96446776
You're thinking of the Warmonger, which put AA guns on top and a small landing pad in the middle, along with other changes.

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>>96446735
>How does solar auxilia play in 3.0?

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Reposting from end of last thread, do ranged armigers have a spot in mech lists? You can get TWO Lightning locks or graviton pulsars, at the same price as a Krios. Lightning locks are D2 and breaching 5+, so they can even threaten termies and veterans, and the grav guns have pinning (2) in case you want to gimp the lucky few survivors,

What about the daemon engines like Brass scorpion and Kytan? Blood Slaughterer and Decimator look kinda mid but I don't know how the big boys stand

Also, how did the demon engines fare when making

>>96446735
>How does solar auxilia play in 3.0?
Still very reliant on its tanks to do the heavy lifting, but it's an actually functional army now.

>>96446823
As opposed to vanquisher battle cannon spam in 2.0 or dracosan demolisher cannon spam in 1.0?

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>>96446708
TQ
They certainly need an update, but nothing too extreme. I'd mainly change the legs. What really needs to be resolved is the scale issue. How big are Imperators exactly? Are they building sized? Are they kilometres tall? Are they 40m tall? depictions are all over the place

>>96446708
Mostly, it might need a few scale changes and details. Also a lot more secondary and tritary guns.

>>96446855
tfw you have 4+ save but they're all running 7.62 ap2

>Newrecruit put legacies in
Time for theorycrafting

>>96446860
Dracosan Demolisher Cannon spam is back, actually.

>>96446921
Legioncels fear the quirked up Legatine chad

>>96446921
The difference is that SA have options besides that now that also work. And demolisher cannons still are reduced to small blast AP 3, so it isn't as devastating as it used to be.

>>96446823
>>96446860

What if I want to focus on infantry and ogryns with some robot support? Aren't the ogryns a decent melee unit and the heavy flamer guys can do volleys with them?

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Threw up in my mouth

>>96446841
Brass scorpion is amazing, especially now it can be buffed. Definitely recommend it.

>>96446980
Thank you for reminding me of how much I hate redditors.

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Fuck off to /pol/ or /his/ or even the war rekt threads on /gif/. You gormless faggot who have to turn every hobby space into a discussion about [Current IRL Topic] are such fucking losers.

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>>96446980
>pr*maris model with zero modifications
>"legion champion"

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>>96446990
Really? What's good about it? Are you meant to charge stuff or shoot stuff with it?

>>96446914
Noice...but i build lists by picking which units I actually want, then juggle them into place and see how much Character tax I need.
I don't think I can do that in NuRecruit

>>96447055
No you don't get it, it's a headswap and a pauldron swap. It's absolutely heresy-kosher.

>>96446957
>SA have options besides that now that also work
Honest question, like what? I heard their artillery is peak, but it's hard to look at anything else when Dracosans axemen are finally greenlit
>And demolisher cannons still are reduced

>>96446957
2/2
>And demolisher cannons still are reduced
I still think swapping the las for demolisher should cost some transport capacity. Like go from 22 to 12. But maybe it should also be free? Irdk :(

>>96447125
It did cost half the capacity during 1.0.

>>96447084
You can add as much as you want, it will just be covered in red ! until it's legal

>>96446676
>>96446841


The armiger autocannons eat 3-4 Vets/Thallax a round on average, not too shabby. The armiger meltagun is a gambling weapon against heavy units, 22% of the time you pick a Land Raider off the table at 12" range and the rest of the time you do very little, since you probably aren't getting to 12" melta range without moving and losing S10. Still, pretty decent for a 150pt walker that's fast and decently tough, compares well to dreads.

Moirax is 2" slower for some reason at move 8, didn't notice that before. Lightning locks eat basically all infantry, although again I prefer them on Mech Karacnoi that get more guns more cheaply. Volkite is a bit lame, moirax grav is reasonably scary. You can get 4 shots with Shock (Pinned) and Pinning (2), and while they don't really hurt anything bigger than a Marine they can happily status vehicles and pin squads forever. Just remember they can't split fire like vehicles can, so you can't pin two squads with one rifleman armiger.

Brass Scorpionposting hit character limit, one second.

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>come to hhg to see minis, post a WIP maybe
>it’s just politisperging about russia and a repost from reddit

>>96447077
In melee you get up to 4 attacks at strength 10 ap2 with armourbane, Crits (5+) and armour-breaker(4+) mean each attack can do up to 5 damage (and against av14 all your attacks are effectively damage 4)

You get to volley fire a crapton of guns before charging, and the Unstoppable subtype means you can move in and out of combat as you please. It's guns are pretty fun too, and you can buff it to bs5/ws5

>>96447137
>Mech Karacnoi that get more guns more cheaply.
Aren't both a Krios and a rifleman Moirax 170-ish points?

>>96447164
I completely overlooked the fact that it can volley fire.

>>96447130
It was also a S10 AP2 5" blast gun in 1.0. Retards who cry about nerfing transport capacity are all nogames netbabies, or they'd realize that a S10 AP3 3D 3" blast isn't that much better than 2 S9 AP2 D1 shots, definitely an upgrade but not "halves your transport capacity" level of upgrade

>>96446841
>>96447137


The Brass Scorpion is a nigh-invulnerable ridiculous engine of destruction and I love it. 15W, T8 2+ 5++, EW (1), has implacable advance to fire its large blast demolisher cannon twice and then charge every round. Can move through other models, can't be locked in combat so the cannoning never ends, hits hard enough in melee to fold up a Kratos or a Spartan in two rounds or so. It doesn't really have the attacks to deal with infantry in melee, but it doesn't really care. It is a bit slow, though, since it gets a lot of its firepower from Volley and so wants to be close.

Run at people, blast basically any target with the guns and then go chew on a vehicle in melee, repeat forever. It doesn't hard-counter anything in particular offensively, especially since as an automata it can't split fire its anti-infantry guns while firing the main gun at vehicles, but it will happily rip large chunks out of essentially anything you point it at.

10 Thunder Hammer Justaerin beating on this thing at once don't even take it to half health. A Sicaran Venator or a Kratos firing at it do maybe 3 wounds on average, because you can't get melta rule benefits or Shock(Status) against non-vehicles. Get an Archmagos or a couple of techmarines to repair you and throw some cybertheurgy buffs and you fear nothing that doesn't have a Volcano Cannon, although Cerberoi and Knights Atrapos should still be murdered with extreme prejudice. Get some Vultarax friends and status the hell out of them while you kill them, it makes all the Ordnance (D) neutron lasers lose half their damage.

>>96447170

A lightning cannon Krios is 135 and extremely fast. A Karacnos is 225 and gets two independently firing lightning locks plus the incredible Pinning (3) phage barrage, and all of them are defensive weapons.

>>96447154
They did it in the last /hhg/ as well. Just keep reporting them for being Off Topic or whatever. Mods will wake up eventually.

>>96446980
>comments calling out the zero effort MKX
at least those have a lot of upvotes

Vehicles should go back to not having hull points and the 5th ed damage tables.

Idk how to use Dynat. He is a praetor on foot, meaning he is for melee and needs a transport...
...but he also infiltrates his unit, meaning that he won't be using a transport, and he will begin close to the enemy but also won't melee them until T2. And he won't shoot them either, as to not risk Return Fire.
I'm at an impasse. I'd rather have his 1.0 rules back (in the enemy's DZ, his army rerolls sweep (Pursue?) rolls, and gets +1 to vehicle pen)

>>96447232
You're nostalgia blinds you to the fact that this would just be a massive nerf because unlike 5th 40k it's easy as fuck to get a massive spam of anti-tank weapons to just make all vehicles crippled hulls, and no I'm not even talking about WAACfag lists or the new FOC.

>>96447294
People aren't gonna be able to put their tactical squad on an objective turn 1 when Dynat and a squad of 10 praetorian command squad chosen are standing on it.

>>96447203
>>96447319
Horus Heresy???

>>96447301
>a massive nerf

Good! IRL, if a tank gets penetrated, it's probably destroyed. It should be the same on the tabletop.

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>>96447333
Ah, its the anti tank fag again, got it

>>96447294

He's not actually that good at melee compared to a regular praetor, since anything that either struggle to kill in a duel will have a 2+ save and so he basically rounds to a normal praetor with -1A unless you are specifically killing MEQ. As far as I can tell, Dynat is a cheap transport for one of your non-infiltrating infantry units who happens to come with a praetor statline and MOTL, which is pretty handy by itself. Use him to shove chosen or some Rewards of Treason elites in the enemy's face, or even set a HSS up in optimal firing position for round 1, although that is a bit of a waste if you do actually want to melee at all. Personally I'm liking the idea of 10 RoT Suzerains, they're relatively affordable and they come with invulns and at-initiative AP2.

Alternatively, you can go for the chaos configuration, join him to 50 levies with whatever provenances you like and infiltrate a giant wall of bodies onto the board's centreline. React/move them forwards to block off the objective, leave a deeper checkerboard of infantry at max coherency ahead of enemy transports to stop them driving across the line and enjoy all the midfield space you just created as the enemy infantry have to kill you off to break the line. Augmented Levies won't rout when meleed but can't Reposition for that 3" of extra zoning when going second.

This probably isn't good, and it will probably get Dynat killed if he doesn't detach and end up in your backline, but it is funny.

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Mechanised list, except it's slightly more infantry/line focussed than just running tanks and tanks and tanks. Thoughts?

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"Spoilers" for Kyme's Immortal Duty:
>He gave no recognition of the fact I had just spoken his name. I thought he had died and yet here he was, aboard the Obstinate. But something was very wrong. His flesh looked cold, gelid, like the severed heads in front of me. Azoth’s fire had been extinguished. Ice filled his veins and countenance. A dead man stood before me with the axe, dead and yet animate, bereft of any sense of cognition that would mark him out as the warrior I once knew.
What's being implied here?
That they rescued Azoth, same as Gallikus, from space but he was wounded enough that when they put more cybernetics onto him to save him, it essentially turned him into a servitor? Or something similar to that, basically lost enough of his flesh that he lost his soul too?
Or is there some deeper, darker IH lore I’m missing here? Maybe it’s punishment for failing in his duty again, but that doesn’t make sense since Gallikus failed in the same way and he’s being kept as an Immortal.

>>96447195
It's not about balance it's about fluff. That thing can't carry as many people because you gotta carry the shells for the demolisher too which 1.0 represented with the different capacity depending on the hull gun. Also it sounds from your post that your problem isn't how many saux a dracosan it can carry or how much it costs but rather the stats of the demolisher.

>>96447426
Suzerains were a mistake

>>96447436
Prpbably the Keys of Hel. IH haf tech to resurrect dead astartes using cybernetics, but their personalitiies were dampened, much more automaton like. And with each rez it got worse, and of course the marines were in massive pain throughout. Ferrus banned the technology but after his Chemosian haircut the remaining Iron Fatjers wen't fuck it and opened the warcrime vaults

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Legions Imperalis. cause this seems to be the only place to talk about it.

tiny tiny infantry...cause evidently I'm a freaking masochist. Plasma, Missile and Termies. And I still have 17 more stands of Tacticals to do.

>Iron Hands with Feral Warrior/Unending Horde Militia allies to choke enemy guns while the robo-marines close in
Based or retarded?

>>96447343
It's not being anti tank, it's being pro realism. It's a wargame, not a vidya game

>>96447469
10/10, would let my morragul ligma stuff drop a moon on these.

>>96447436
It’s the Keys of Hel. Like the other anon said, the IH have tech that basically turns a fallen marine into a cybernetic zombie, but it hollows out the marine’s personality in the process.

>>96447472

Based, but grab some of the cheap and cheerful rocket arty and field guns while you're at it, they're fun and Immortals are already incredible frontline so you don't really need any better infantry than the cheap meat. Infiltrate (18) instead of Unending Horde is also fun.

>>96447469
Are the moulds as bad as the macros suggest?

I don't know why people compare Kurze to Batman, his story with Vulkan is more Joker shit.

>>96447550
Kurze is RAPEMAN.

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>>96447462
>>96447507
Ah nice, this sounds familiar somewhere in the back of my mind.
Might have already read about it in my first attempt at reading HH, but now that I'm reading them in "actual" chronological order this short story precedes whichever book I might have read in it at that time.
Thank you anons.

>>96447322
>>96447426
Eh he's okay. +35 pts over a similarly equipped Praetor for infiltrate I guess, plus that hammer trick of his.
>Vehicles can drive through infantry
>But they cannot park on top of them
Lmao

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finally got around to working on my EC project again

Do you think chaos warrior shields would work for storm shields on word bearers indomitus? Tempted to replace the combi bolters on my unit (6) with them for the shieldwall

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>>96446708
Imperator aesthetics are fine but the thighs and arms shouldn't be flimsy bare pistons like that anymore

>>96447696
Looks great anon, love how you do your armour

Why do you fags insist I should read the HH black library novels when they're absolute dogshit?

>>96447909
I never told you to do that

>>96447909
?

>>96447909
Who even dares suggest this

I like putting rust and oil streaks on my vehicles because I the implication that they've been deployed for a while and the match we're playing is an engagement deep into that deployment.

>>96446807
Dies Irae apparently fought without a cathedral.
Making it a manlet Imperator. Very appropriate for Legio BORE-tis.

>>96447909
I don't suggest anyone read any warhammer lore beyond unit descriptions.

>>96447988
The BFG ship flavor texts are still some of the best lore written.

>>96447472
that is why the IW were hated by Mortals

Anyone have any suggestions for cool stuff to take with Coils of the Hydra? Leaning toward AL since I like Grave Wardens but also want to run(steal) other stuff and AL isn't a nightmare for me to paint.

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What’s up /tg/? Need some input from anyone that feels like it. I’m a wargaming noob who played 40k off and on many years ago, orks in 4th edition iirc

Long story short, a friend who has invested a lot of time and many thousands in the hobby is trying to get me onboard the new HH edition that just dropped. I think it could be a fun way to spend time with him and as good a reason as any to go out and meet people, but I’m way out of the loop, and don’t know much about factions, rules, lore, player culture, etc.

It feels like a lot to digest for a green player, so maybe share some of your experience and wisdom with me?

>What’s a good source to start learning the lore and timeline? And maybe figure out which factions appeal to me? Any “required” reading?

>What are good armies for inexperienced / kinda retarded players, easy to understand and play? And maybe, not too expensive? Might be asking too much there

>What are some bad player habits that might not be obvious to outsiders? Cardinal player sins and such? i.e how can I not be annoying or off putting to long established members of the hobby?

Or just advice you would give a friend who you want to get into it. Feels like I need a semester at a community college to be caught up. Any advice is appreciated.

>>96447634

The hammer trick is cool but mostly a downgrade, I think. Standard AL Praetor can already use their god tier gambit to lock the enemy down to I1 and then beat them mercilessly with a normal thunder hammer.

Power-wise Dynat is about a 6-7/10, I have lists that use him, I have lists that don't use him, but his infiltrate trick is the kind of army-supporting buff that really isn't on that many characters any longer, so it's good to have him as an option.
Went through the books on a whim, the characters that have any kind of squad-support rules are Ventanus, Sedras, Qin Xa, Pollux, Lotara, Abbadon, Maloghurst and Dynat, that's it, and half of those are pretty puny. Ventanus is really handy, though.

>>96448031
Hi anon.

>Lore
Read the Black Books here https://gofile.io/d/huUWLK.

>Starter armies
Since you're new, the Saturnine box is a good starting point. It gives you 40 tactical bodies, 6 of the new terminators, the terminator praetor and the power armor centurion, then an emplacement. The emplacement is decent for starting out, as are the terminators.
You'll want to find a legion that resonates with you, and start looking into getting some special weapons and heavy weapons to turn some of those tacticals into support squads.

>Bad habits
We like to see Heresy as a semi-historical game, so it's encouraged to run units that are thematic for your legion over what's currently Strong. For example, running a lot of flamers with Salamanders, a lot of heavy bolters with Imperial Fists, etc, over running multiple Kratos tanks.

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>>96448031
>What’s a good source to start learning the lore and timeline? And maybe figure out which factions appeal to me? Any “required” reading?
black books are a good start but theres a lot to digest there. Luckily theres also plenty of warhammerslop youtubers that regurgitate the 40k wiki
>What are good armies for inexperienced / kinda retarded players, easy to understand and play?
marines because they're everywhere and you can recast them for cheap or custodes since you only need like 20 infantry guys and some vehicles. There also several gaming youtube channels that give a detailed breakdown on how each legion plays the game but that will also depend on what edition your doing
>What are some bad player habits that might not be obvious to outsiders?
just dont be lazy when it comes to modeling/painting and keep your army relatively close to the lore. Most Heresy players aren't meta chasers either so dont go in expecting the typical 40k power game standard
>>96447903
thanks its greenstuff worlds Persian violet with a matt varnish

>>96448031

Seconding the other anon on the Black Books. The last couple fall off a bit, but the first few are some of the best campaign books. Read the lore sections of the first one or two for the vibe and some highly important battles, then the others if you're enjoying it or want to learn more about the particular Legions in them. BB1 Betrayal and BB2 Massacre are some of the best campaign books ever written in my opinion.

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>>96448088
>Dark metallic purple EC
Kino.

>>96447709
Tbqh use the discontinued stormcast liberators shields

New to the hobby and making some scars, I've got resin topknots I'm gonna stick on some of the lads but they're plastic kits so plastic glue aint going to cut it, should I just super glue them on or attach them via green stuff AND super glue?

Where the actual heck are the MK2 assault marines and the plastic breachers?

>>96447980
>atheist faction: cathedrals
>god worshiping faction: no cathedrals
BL is a big fat mess.

>>96448067
Wow, thanks for the link bro! I’ll check these out. I’m actually relieved to hear that HH had a more emphasis on thematically appropriate battles and not just dick-kicking meta lists. That sounds like more fun, and will hopefully ward off meta players who are only focused on W/L ratios

>>96448088
I try to avoid youtubers in general and wikitubers in particular. Any recommendations on good channels? Also, I don’t have a lot of modeling experience, but my friend has thousands of hours experience with paint and green stuff. I’m sure he’ll guide me well, and I’ll do my best to give opponents something cool to look at. Thanks mate.

>>96448098
Black Books seem to be the consensus and now I have two to focus on. Much appreciated anon

Will the resident homosexual of the thread please identify themselves?

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>>96448031
>What’s a good source to start learning the lore and timeline? And maybe figure out which factions appeal to me?
The lore section in the HH2 and HH3 rulebooks is a good brief summary of the setting and main events/factions up to the Siege of Terra (the final campaign). It's the only thing you need to play the game, really.

Then the traditional advice is to read the first BL HH series books, from Horus Rising to Fulgrim/The Flight of the Eisenstein. They're pulpy but essential to get the mood of the setting as a prequel to 40k. Then get a reading guide and focus on books of the factions you like until the lineal Siege of Terra series. Some are shit, others are great, you'll need to make up your own mind.

Other anons recommend the HH1 Black Books, which are great high effort products and also mandatory, but you need to be aware of the following that anons here will not tell you:
1.they low-key assume you've read the BL books they're based on
2.they're incomplete, they only cover the start of the war. Besides the initial Issvan trilogy, the rest focus mostly in events outside the main BL books narrative.
3.they also have accuracy/retcon issues. Made up units, factions in battles they never were in the original BL books, etc.

If you need any books, just ask.

>>96448040
Any highlights of Dynat's infiltrate? Idk what to bring with him lol
>Hammer trick
Aww rip. Would've been nice for it to cause one hammer attack for every successful sword hit during duels

>>96448031
There's also lexicanum dot com if you wanna quickly read up on the lore of any warhammer subject.

>>96448278
>I’m actually relieved to hear that HH had a more emphasis on thematically appropriate battles and not just dick-kicking meta lists.
Don't be fooled. Everybody from anons here and GW themselves will tell you that the HH is more narrative game, but in reality the people playing can be just as WAAC as in 40k despite some house rules becoming common to reign on it (like 1 dread per 1k points in HH2)

>>96448319
It is somewhat less prevalent, depending on the local group of course. There's enough people that post huge, impressively painted armies and "bad" units to prove that HH has less meta chasers than 40k.

>>96447430
Pls respond

>>96448296

So much of AL already has infiltrate that sometimes you straight up don't need him, but he's good for melee praetorians, and you can make a reasonable case for shooty squads that like being set up ahead of time in a good midfield position. HSS, TSS, vet tacs with special weapons.
Rewards of Treason or allies opens this up a good amount: my good idea is Ultramarines Suzerains, my silly idea that I need to test against a proper rhino rush is the levies here >>96447426.

Mech has a few units that don't mind a forward position either, but the only non-Bulky ones are the Arcuitor Magisterium (Sigismund-tier duelist for a much lower price, add Paragon of Battle and attach to a Dynat melee squad like Suzerains or Vet Breachers to go hunt praetors) and Scyllax (don't neatly fit in allied detachments, you can do better with your own melee elites).

>>96448396
What about infiltrating a squad of DA interemptors? Nothing is gonna want to charge into that.

>>96448396

You can't use Guide on the Arcuitor when they're mixed with Marines, so an allied one is less scary, but you can detach them from the squad before the shooting/charging so they can self-buff if necessary, and a paragon/hammer Arc without Guide is still going to flatten all but the very best SM duelists because the main use of Guide is going from WS7 to WS8 so that people like Siggy hit you on 5s.

>>96448425

Would be an amazing pick if they weren't Bitter Duty, but Dynat can't join them since they are. Same for most Destroyer-type units.

>>96448450
Ugh forgot about bitter duty, of course. Guess I'm gonna stuff them in a drop pod then.

I'm buying another 6 saturnine terminators

>>96448471
Any particular reason?
I'm still waiting on the saturnine command squad rules. Squads of 3 with either gun seem good enough already.

>>96448471
I admire your decisiveness. I can’t even pick a legion despite having almost 100 infantry.

>>96447430
I like it anon, I would have included a artillery's tercio for the indirect fire instead of the stormhammer but that is a fluffy list. Go forth and make those marines pay!

>>96448549
47, its the lacrymaetra prime advantage, it also gives them +2 strength.

I dont get why GW wont turn HH into a VN

>>96448564
Yeah just found it. Why is mech still so obnoxious to play against, ugh.

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>>96448292
Thanks for the heads up, I was about to start with the Black Books without the HH series under my belt. I’m new to 30/40K fiction in general, so I’d gladly accept any links for the essential HH books like Horus Rising

>>96448305
Sounds much better than the Fandom slop google prioritizes. Thanks!

>>96448319
>>96448332
Well that’s to be expected with any tabletop game. Nobody spends all that money and time to lose on purpose. But the thematic nature of the game will help me to not feel as bad about getting curb stomped by the local game shop vets

Thanks fellas, cheers

>>96448571
They refuse to let mech units have normal stats so everything playable is jank abuse.

>>96448596
>But the thematic nature of the game will help me to not feel as bad about getting curb stomped by the local game shop vets
Exactly.
There's a guy at my LGS who loves Terminators so much that almost his entire army is Terminators.
He doesn't win very often but he always talks about how much fun he had marching his big boys across the table.

>>96448480
Mostly space reasons: when I originally budgeted for 12 saturnine termies + a 3 man command squad, it was because I thought that was all I could fit in one tray. Then it turned out I was retarded and used 60mm bases (castellax) when saturnine are on 50s, so not only can I actually fit 21 (3 squads of 6 + 3 chosen) saturnine on a tray, but I can even fit another 20 32mm bases behind them as well, which I'll probably use on 20 assault veterans for the master of descent I built on a whim. I'll probably equip the 3rd squad of 6 with dual disintegrators given that I've already planned the other 2 squads with plasma + shredder fists and I have a noticeable lack of anti-elite firepower, but still need to figure out what I'll do with 20 assault vets, because I'm bored of thunder hammers.

>>96448693
Why not make some assault vets equipped to meat blender their way through MEQ? They have vanguard, and a squad of 10 with dual lightning claws is a hilarious amount of overkill.

>>96448596
Here's the first 5 HH books that cover the very start and Isstvan 3 + 5:
> https://gofile.io/d/x72MdB
As I said, after those is better if you search for HH reading order guides about your pet faction until the Siege.

>>96448709
That sounds fun.
This is something I like about HH more than 40k; with 40k, I always felt annoyed about having units on my shelf that I didn't use.
With HH, I don't mind having different units to change how I feel like playing that day.

>>96448683
A local player i play with always has army lists that are incoherent assemblies of random units with no clear plan or theme to them at all. Guy has a billion models, and never brings anything resembling a rational army list. He almost always loses and doesn't give a shit.

Some people just do whatever the fuck.

>>96448718
unfortunately, the books about some legions are great (White Scars), but others are terrible (Dark Angels, Salamanders)
That's why many fans cling to the Black Books, where all are depicted as cool in their own way.

>>96448219
To be fair there's some substantial weight saving going on by doing that. You lose the guns but meh

>>96448775
>That's why many fans cling to the Black Books, where all are depicted as cool in their own way.
Unless you're the Night Lords

>>96448833
Night Lord players are into that

>>96448770
I feel seen

>>96446708
So are all the cathedrals on top of the mech actually useable? Are there people up there holding sermons?

>>96447916
>>96447946
>>96447970
>>96447988
Some fag in the last thread said to read the first 24 HH novels before reading the black books.

>>96448718
Bless you anon. May your dice rolls be just short of suspiciously good.

>>96448683
Terminator guy sounds like a sperg, but a cool one

>>96448865
It's a whole complex people are doing lots of things

>>96448869
Wouldn't it make more sense to only start reading black library novels AFTER reading all the sourcebooks for additional insight?

>>96448958
It doesn't make sense to read BL novels period.

>>96448958
Yes, but BL fans will try and spread their brainworms to you, too.

"I-I read 50+ novels of pure slop!!! That means you should, too!!! Otherwise you're a fake fan!!!"

>>96448958
as other anon said, you're better off never reading any black library novels, they're all between 0/10 trash to 4/10 trash, and full of DEI filler because they were written after blackrock bought GW.

>>96448869
nta, but people should totally read first the novels the Black Books are based on. That's how they were supposed to be experienced, and several focus more in stuff outside the actual main actions of the novels. They work better as companions and are hardly "sourcebooks" except for the rules.
The classic example is Know No Fear and HH book 5: Tempest.

>>96448958
other way around
>>96448989
Some are slop, others are great. You don't know it, so shut up
>>96449006
least retarded and lying culture war tourist

>>96449017
Give a list. Go on. Do it. Give a list of what BL novels each Black Book is based on. All 9 black books.

>>96449006
>because they were written after blackrock bought GW.
In...2006?

>>96446708
I think it's fine for a 40k titan in the way that the Dominus or whatever it's called is fine for a 40k knight but is overblown for a 30k aesthetic. It's not the shapes so much as the impression that they've stalled out on development and just gone to prayer and A-Teaming shit until it has school shooting-prevention levels of guns (Schola Progenia still fucked tho)

the churchlike aspects are very Imperial Cult and not at all fitting for 30k, even in a Mechanicum army - they don't build basilica, they build factories - but I could see a LI version with the big guns and multiple carapace sectors with their own turrets working, just not Pert's Moving Castle or Baba Dorna's house or whatever that's meant to be

>>96449093
the first 2 or 3 books predate blackrock buying GW, but the last 40 books are all from the period after libtards purchased GW and replaced 80% of non-space marines with women.

>>96449066

NTA but I put together a list based off sources i can find

>book 1: Betrayal
The first four HH novels.
>book 2: massacre
Fulgrim
>book 3: Extermination
The Crimson Fist
>Book 4: Conquest
idk actually
>Book 5: Tempest
The First Heretic, Know No Fear and Betrayal
>Book 6: Retribution
Those shitty Shattered Legions novels
>Book 7: Inferno
A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns
>Book 8: Malevolence
Fear to Tread and Scars
>Book 9: Crusade
Prince of Crows

Unfortunately the fact book 4 has absolutely zero novels that cover its events kind of kills the whole "you're supposed to read BL novels before them" theory

>>96449163
Euphrati Keeler was in book 1 though.

>>96449192
Were Keeler's strange saint powers ever explained considering that the Emperor (or something else that empowers saints and SoB in 40k) only achieved godhood millennia after the HH?

>>96449176
pretty sure everything that happened in conquest was made up for that book which is why it's the best black book

>>96449220
Star Child time warp fuckery. Remember that Samus already existed for thousands of years in realspace by the time it first appeared before Loken, but was only born from his death at the Siege of Terra, and is noted as being a daemon of the Dark King, whose realm and daemons already exist in the warp. By the same token, the faith powers seen in 40k may well be products of the Star Child, who has yet to be born even in 40k, but as the warp does not follow the logic of chronological time, it may very well be empowering both the faithful of 40k as well as reaching as far back as 30k to empower Keeler

That, or the far more reasonable and less retarded explanation that she's a psyker and manifests her powers through faith.

>>96449271
>that, or the far more reasonable and less retarded explanation that Graham McNeil is a hack and the other writers at the BL had to stick with the bullshit character he introduced

FIFY

>>96449017
>>96448958
>>96448596

Why the fuck would anyone think you need to read black library slop novels to read the black books?

The novels are drama, from the perspective of the people in the events.

The black books are written as pseudo historic documents, with lots of speculation and missing info because it's historians putting the scraps together.

Just read the black books anon, fuck the novels.

>>96449287
>Graham McNeill
Dan Abnett, I think.
Fuck him.

mk2 would have been perfect if the heads didnt have crowns

>>96449311
Nope, Graham McNeil introduced Keeler's faith powers in False Gods. In Horus Rising (written by Dan Abnett) she was just a random fuckass remembrancer who joined the Imperial Cult because she saw Loken fighting Samus. McNeil took that foundation, snorted a line of coke and said "and then what if she was the first living saint, but before the Ecclesiarchy ever even existed???" and without consulting anyone else, wrote it into False Gods. The other BL novels, to cover his ass and to save face and make the HH look more legitimate and not like a complete mess with a lack of planning, had to take his idea and run with it

>>96449066
Sure, incomplete, but roughtly speaking from the top of my head:
>Betrayal, Massacre, Extermination
Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein, Fulgrim, and The Crimson Fist novella
Also early Shattered Legions stories like Scorched Earth
>Conquest
This wasn't based in any specific books, first truly original effort by FW and introduced the Solar Auxilia as we know it today, and a nice area of the galaxy to play with during the war
>Tempest
Know no fear
>Retribution
A mix of Shattered Legions stories (like Meduson) and again original material. The featured Black Shields and Endryd Haar inspired a nice audiodrama trilogy that i really like: https://gofile.io/d/XMf11F
>inferno
A thousand sons, Prospero burns
>Malevolence
Fear to Tread. Parts of Echoes of Eternity and The Great Angel, but those were written after.
Brotherhood of the Storm, Scars
>Crusade
Descent of Angels, Savage Weapons, Prince of Crows and others. Not gonna lie, the Gav thorpe DA books soured me on the DA, so I do not have them in my mind like others.

>>96449357
>scorched earth

Why the actual fuck would I ever read any trash written by Nick Kyme?

>>96449304
the Black Books barely cover a fraction of the war, and they're still incomplete about the part they're based on.
They both have pretty much the same level of writing, since they had John French on the first three and Malevolence AFAIK.

>>96449357
Conquest and Retribution had a lot what I like about HH. They picked a section of the galaxy that had been ignored and fleshed it out with basically nobodies that didn't matter if they lived or died and let things play out.

>>96449382
>They both have pretty much the same level of writing

>>96449382
They were intended to cover the entire war, but GW assassins killed Alan Bligh because the suits were mad that he kept upstaging Citadel, didn't want Fires of Cyraxus, and had a long term plan to ruin the Horus Heresy which culminated in 2.0 and 3.0

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>>96449371
There's Nick Kyme and there's Nick Kyme. Scorched Earth is a decent grimdark mood piece about stranded Isstvan 5 loyalists. It's not the from the Nick Kyme of insufferable emo high fantasy salamanders

>>96449401
Nick Kyme has a split personality?

>>96449404
I guess. There's a huge difference between his UM books and his Sallies, dunno why

>>96449401
>>96449404
NTA but I'm convinced 70% of black library slop authors hire half a dozen pajeet ghostwriters to churn out garbage slop. Said ghostwriters then make a shitty AI create 80% of it, then pajeet tries to edit it a bit to be more human, then he gives it to the Nick Kyme type "authors" who then tweak 10% of it and then release it as their own black library "novel", knowing gamers are retarded enough to buy it anyway.

That's the only explanation I can come up with why each GW writer has 1 or 2 good novels and 10-20 utterly garbage ones written by high schoolers using a thesaurus to add unrelated words to every sentence.

>>96449424
probably written by two entirely different humans is why. Just like how RL Stine wrote the first 10 or whatever goosebumps then the second he got rich hired "assistants" to write the next 30 novels and slap his name onto them (it came out in public during the court lawsuits)

>>96449428
You know that sort of AI has only appeared in the past five years, right? Are you fucking retarded or just a fucking kid? It couldn't have been used to write Nick Kyme's slop, which predates generative AI for use by pajeet ghost writers.

>>96449458
I see you're a fucking child. Ghostwriting has been a thing since before you were born, stupid faggot.

>>96449462
I'm not saying ghost writing isn't unlikely, I'm saying ghostwriting using AI is. That's more likely to have taken place with the Siege of Terra novels and the Dawn of DEI primaris slop GW is pumping out nowadays

>>96449471
ghostwriting using AI is literally more than 50% of all published works on Amazon right this second, stupid fucking moron. The invention of generative-writing-AI made it so cheap that it's literally everywhere, you retarded cunt.

>>96449476
Yes, and I'm saying that generative AI for use amongst authors didn't fucking exist until 2020 at the earliest, whereas Nick Kyme's work predates that.

for a NL master of descent, given the detachment it unlocks(1x retinue 2x prime elite) and the units theyre restricted to(jump praetorian cmd/assvets) i think the former would be fun but would there be any point in filling the latter if i can just take raptors?
is there some niche the relevant prime benefits/a distinct set of wargear could fill without making them redundant all over again wrt price? (assuming an already redundant unit being filled just for logistical benefit would be backwards thinking)

>>96449476
I believe you're an AI bot shitposter, yes

>>96449482
Don't engage with the schizo

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>>96448292
you idiot, there is one anon who is either French or a simp that claims the BL books are good as a whole. BL books are filler for people who need to be entertained to enjoy a narrative and can't make do with key events and their own imagination.
The Black Books cover the key events in a manner to give you and idea for a force that existed in it. You are supposed to flesh out that force with your dudes. Not fill it with some BL author OC.
BL is not Canon and you actively degrade the narrative nature that is supposed to be 30k.
>why is that?
because BL says X happens and if your dudes don't conform to X then your dudes are "wrong".
Case and point some BL author wrote that EC didn't use psykers because they are mutants and somehow lesser. Fulgrim is proponent of their use and the legion is mentioned to have used them in the Black books. Now we have some autist sperging about EC Librarians being unfluffy in the threads.

30k at it's core is an open adventure for you and your mates, there are a few key story beats but everything else is fair game.
BL is a story that exist because people have trouble imagining the apple and need continuous engagement. By taking it as canon or important you do nothing but limit the choices you can take.

>>96449482
You really have such an abnormally low IQ to be struggling with the amazing concept that before the AI ghostwriter plague, it was a manual ghostwriter plague. It's been a common problem ever since the gutenberg printing press made novels inexpensive and mainstream. The term 'ghost writer' is from 1921 and you're so retarded you think Nick Kyme must have written both novels, despite you claiming neither resembles the other even slightly. That's you being the stupidest motherfucker to ever live.

>>96449572
Oh my fucking god, I literally just stated that "yes" in reference to ghost writers being a thing, I was only referencing the anon from earlier who was insisting Nick Kyme's trashy salamander books were written by pajeets using AI. No, they were written by regular pajeets, because generative AI wasn't a thing yet.

>>96449542
Cope all you want, nothing of what you say is canon or how these books were made.

The BL books, from Visions to the upcoming Dropsite Massacre book are the original source material of this setting, warts and all. The Black Books came much later, co-written by several BL authors, made up shit to sell resin, and are all pretty much incomplete with the same cheap melodrama and continuity issues as many BL stories.

Like that obvious mistake about nonsensical EC librarians you are obssesed with. That's the actual fanfiction that has gone full retard with the HH2+ books

>>96449428
>That's the only explanation I can come up with why each GW writer has 1 or 2 good novels and 10-20 utterly garbage ones written by high schoolers using a thesaurus to add unrelated words to every sentence.
That makes no sense, nearly all of the HH novels were written before the rise of AI slop stuff. The BL authors are third rate ones, that's all there is to it.

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>>96449542
Bl books being the canonical story doesn't mean you can't have your dudes or alternate history scenarios, you retarded autist.

Black Books were high effort, but stil had plenty of cringe bs on them like any other GW product. Worshipping themas perfect is retarded

>>96449542
Anuj, do the needful and fuck off.

>fags mass report anyone talking about SA pdf and the consequences of dude spam
>thread is now 4 hours of two idiots arguing with a schizo about BL authors
Good job, retards. I wanted to know a NL's counter.

I've been playing around with a few primarch-management ideas because there are approximately seven million primarchstars in my usual group, all of which are just getting into 3e now along with a few people who didn't bother with the last couple of years of 2nd.

They're really hard to kill, but they seem like they're surprisingly easy to spook if you can put together a combo for that, at least in theory. Most of the primarch retinues don't/can't take nuncio-voxes, and none of the primarchs are Heavy so you don't get more Cool from that even if the Cataphractii or Suzerains or whatever are, so the only ones that do better than standard CL10 are Horus and Lorgar, although there's not much point spooking Demon Angron/Fulgrim (Malefic) or Perty (ignores the modifer, rolls CL10 unless you have Fear nearby).

Put an AL Effrit squad or a Fear (2) unit within 12" of the Primarch's unit and shoot them with a Pinning 3 gun and they're going to fail the check and have to sit tight for a round around 70% of the time, and even Fear (1) has a 58% shot. If you somehow have Pinning 3, Fear 2 and Effrit it's 89%, although that's far more annoying to actually organise. Might be a good idea to get a vox into your primarch's squad if you can, but among the elite melee units I think only Centurion Command Squads and Vet Assaults/Breachers can bring them. A Primus Medicae's narthecium helps a bit and raises your odds of passing to about 50%, but it's far less reliable than just deleting statuses by checking against CL8-10 at the start of your turn.

>>96449849
>SA pdf
What? like the file or does this mean something else?

>>96449932
I think he's talking about the legacies pdf that has SA along with marines and mech. It's a bit barren in my opinion.

>>96449932
>>96449967
The militia file that dropped a few days ago, yes. Someone tried to make a fuss between Solar Auxilia and militia, sorry if I got it wrong again. All I know is that people are dropping list ideas for ~500 models, and I'm genuinely interested in people's game plan for a horde.
I understand that few people are even going to attempt to build that retarded list.

Just make up your own lore

>>96448003
The Titanicus campaign books have some bitchin fluff

is there any horus heresy lost media?

>>96450017
Im going to try 100+ bodies of various units, 3x20 are troops, this coming Sunday. I suspect they're going to just keep running away on repeat so I'm taking vex and discipline master. One combi flamer in units to panic the infantry seems like a a real tactic. Frag rapiers are 5" blasts that will just shred units.

>>96450087
Yes.

>>96450186
examples?

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How are you running your immortals? 10 man squad with two lascutters? Anything on the sarge? Rhinos?

>>96450193
Nothing that you can find if you need to ask outside of FW save for stuff like clearer pics of the SA scrapped color plates that were shown at one of the event, knight sketches and general previews that never panned out into anything. Stuff that was shown at the old events in short. The rabbit hole goes pretty deep for the stuff that was never shown to the public however.

>>96450095
Wait, people are already prepared to run that Militia list being copied pasted everywhere? Do infantry trays get larger than 10? Juggling 40ish sounds miserable.
Are you going to have vehicle blocking, or are vehicles just obsolete vs the tidal wave of humans?

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Would you love them?

>>96450275
I wouldn't even rape them

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>>96450275
I know /hhg/ hates them, but I love hese grotesquely proportioned sculpts, the Saturnines too. John Blanche's art also had weird proportions but it worked

>>96450275
>People pay money for these
I should pick up 3D sculpting too, the bar is so low it's basically free additional income.

Throw out models you don't want anymore

>>96450017

Game plan for running hordes, or for fighting them?
I'm reasonably confident in the Lacrymaerta Ursarax wall for handing any sane number of 5+ save models, since between the volkites and claws a full squad of 9 will take down about 30-35 GEQ a round and the Lacry force comes with three of those squads. They do markedly worse against 4+ saves and up, but there are usually less of those. I just have to not get them all splattered by SA or Militia D3 artillery on the way in, which is the hard part.

For my own hordes, I am wondering whether I want Endless Horde/Infil (18) militia for funsies or Solar Aux lasrifle sections because they have the fun legion-specific reactions. I'm definitely not going to 400 models or whatever it was, but I like having a few rifle blocks ahead of my robots/terminators, it feels more proportionate than waves of tacticals. I'm interested to see if the respawning infantry squads do very much, since as far as I know there's no way to get them to come in from reserves anywhere but your backline. I could be missing an interaction there.

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>>96450251
I started this list well before the convo started. Just addign the 60 levy I already had to my existing GSC army. Still theory crafting

>>96450275
>>96450301
People hate it because it's too close to corpo slop, and the brain can't unsee "Corporate Memphis"

>>96450414
It's because it's 3d. Blanche's artwork is a style, it's not physical it's not a 1:1 ratio it's an interpretation made to look mad. Those shittt porto-potty marines are a physical object that has to get painted and can be viewed from around and they look horrible because they don't translate well onto the table.

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>>96450451
Nah, they look badass and remind me of Death of Hope which is always a great thing

>>96450599
I feel like this dude is single handedly responsible for meming them into a model.

>>96450609
and that's a good thing. Just don't think too hard about the bolter's magazine situation

How far do Gellar fields go? Is it like a "bubble" around the ship? Could boarders stand outside the hull and still be protected?

>>96450621
The bolter's mags are the coolest part though?

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>>96450087
lots of prototype/test minis that were never released like pic related which iirc were an early sculpt for SoH reavers. Plus the infamous atomantic pavaise for the deredeo. IIRC they also showed off a prototype of the contemptor cortus at one point but that never got released either.

>>96450861
I wish to see that contemptor

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>>96450861
Also this guy whose head we see in Conquest but not the rest of his armor

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>>96450087
The TS Cata Praetor was a prototype that originally wasn't slated for production but people liked it and kept asking for it they put it up for sale.

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>>96450873
not much to write home about desu

>>96450901
Ironically looks cooler than the "better" contemptor

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>>96450087
Original Fulgrim until they made one for character duels and the deredo atomantic pavaise

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>meanwhile in /40kg/

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>>96450861
There's also the winged daemon brutes, though I don't know if those ever reached the physical stage

I have come fron the future. GW is going to release a "3.5" Edition for Horus Heresy that will allow for Ork and Aeldari armies to be fielded.

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ranking tactical sgt. of the eater 332nd assault company!

>>96450931
>sculpt perfectly good fulgrim face
>nah lets make him look like he's screaming like a retard
this will forever baffle me, literally why did they do that lmao

>>96450931
damn this one is actually sort of handsome

I have come from the far future. Horus has betrayed us. The galaxy burns.

>>96450982
What's going on with the backpack?
>>96450931
>>96450983
>>96450984
It's giving me David Bowie vibes

>>96450983
>>96450984
Do NOT lust after Fulgrim

>>96450087
We were definitely supposed to get some in-depth darkmech rules in book 9 but bligh's death and hh2.0 being imminent probably got it cut. I always wonder what those rules would have looked like.

>>96450991
it's built like a fucking fridge and the bro has his combi melta stuck atop as that's the most congruent space to slap something with a flat face

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>>96450984

>>96450220

I'm just going to run 10x Volkite Chargers and see where that gets me for now. A 2pt VC is a bargain and it feels like a waste to put 8 of them into a tank they can't hurt.

>>96450983
the two character duel backs were a fad at the time, Loken vs Abbadon, Magnus vs Russ, Erebus and Kor

>>96450939
>10th edition players being more honest about 3.0 being closer to 10th edition 40k than 2.0 than most of this fucking thread

Fuck Pardo.

>>96450997
its too late for me

>>96451082
Brother, No!

>>96450988
Bullshit, you lie

>>96451071
F U C K P A R D O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMoaEPP6-_A
if i ever got my hands on that dude i would shorten his bones via redneck surgical-cosmetic intervention

>>96451071
who even is pardo

>>96451119
a leprechaun native to gibraltar

what about lost media books?

>>96451140
Fires of Cyraxus

>>96451176
that name is forever tainted because of the lolcow cyrax

>>96451140
I don't know I can't find them.

>>96451185
...the cyborg ninja?

>>96451176
Wasn't the writing like 90% done before Bligh passed? Why didn't they just finish it like Malevolence, which was also unfinished by Bligh when he passed (and Crusade was written entirely using his notes)?

>>96451320
That book was meant to port 30k mech units into 40k right? Maybe that's when the mandate came from corporate to avoid having models playable in multiple systems

>>96451325
no, 8th dropped. They would have had to remake all the profiles for 8th ed instead of just copy pasting them from HH to 7th, so it got put on a back burner then buried.

>>96450599
is someone ever going to make an exact 1 to 1 stl of this fucking thing

>>96451418
give me 2 months and change

Got my first resin mini today, how do I clean them properly? Is it really as simple as a bath in warm soapy water and scrub with a toothbrush?

>>96451575
just make it multipart and poseable w/ no interfering geometry pls
i found some .stls of really rad-at-first Ma.K looking hardsuits and thought it'd be funny to have one serve as a re-fucking-built tactical marine but all of the body sculpts were completely fucked sideways with shapes being merged into one another and shit it was disgusting,,,,,
room for another reproportioned sedivalle mk.v instead!

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does this work?

>>96451140
Angelus, the original one.
>inb4 malevolence
You know what I'm talking about.

>>96451739
for sure but try to clean up some of the resin bits a little further concerning the mold lines and imperfections as best you can

also bro needs to be on a 32mm base

>>96451749
cool, it's all blutacked together right now

>>96451739
Fuck yeah, though you should clean up those servo arms, they're pretty fucked. Backpack looks half eaten too. In fact, is this assembled out of a miscast bin?

>>96451140
You will not find them anon, that's why I wrote "Nothing that you can find if you need to ask outside of FW". Angelus, Cyraxus, the rest of Alan's notes and all the scrapped stuff might not even exist anymore. Unless you get a job at FW you have no chance of finding them.

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>>96451575
we will watch your career with great interest

>>96451800
AliExpress recasts

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>>96451816
xamn bro
that's like ultrachang

>>96450659
It's an envelope. People on the hull would still be protected, but it's like going to the zoo: The tiger is behind bar...but you still shouldn't get close, you know? Stuff could happen

>>96451739
Yeah, that'll look good, but damn you'll need to straighten that staff out and clean up a lot of mold lines.

>>96451876
but in theory, if you've got a boarding party sticking onto the hull with magnetic boots when the ship goes into warp. they could work their way up to an airlock and get in even while in transit, right?

>>96451897
There are places inside the ships that are forbidden to access during warp travel because the barrier between the warp and our reality is very thin. Staring at the warp, even through the protective glasss of a void vessel can induce madness. Now imagine being outside the ship.

>>96451927
The fuck are you talking about.
Why would a bubble of reality AROUND AN ENTIRE SHIP be randomly 'weaker' at certain portions of the ships interior

>>96452014
hyperspacial exo-geometry laylines

>>96452014
NTA but warp is fucky like that, and the gellar fields are barely understood on a good day. Take the Rogue Trader vidya for example. Sometimes the field fails around the main batteries so you have to go purge some bloodletters off the ammo storage decks. Sometimes a million plaguebearers spawn inside the bridge. Sometimes ghosts start showing up in your quarters or near the main reactor. Sometimes you hear screaming coming from the bathrooms during the whole warp transit

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>>96452014
because the warp tends to try and violently penetrate and eat anything cloistered off to it traversing through its bulk as it's alive and teeming and ravenous

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>>96450087
whatever the fuck we were supposed to get in angelus. bligh's notes are still probably sitting on a hard drive somewhere

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How do you even fit the heads on these guys? Is the top a cover you place afterwards?

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>>96452090
yes and there's room enough for the heads to be larger than is illustrated there presuming you otherwise shave them to fit inside and maybe adjust the inner confines. it's a hatch that fits into the slot and locks it all down
they're a bit small as-is to come off as very congruent with a more standard force of marines
i'm doing all sorts of shit with them helmet-wise. beakies, wolf heads, a fucking mk.3 or two and such
print them at 85% scale to basically be on-the-money in size.
i keep the helmets they come with at 100% size
they might no longer fit totally flush but i'll work around it via one means or another

>>96450939
>10th is the most successful edition of 40k
inoperable just pull the plug already

>>96452126
Baller, got pics of the other helmets? And maybe some with the hatch off? What are you running them as? Doesn't look like they come with the right weapons to be satties

>>96452126
>they're holding hands
c-cute!!

>>96451897
Oh, that's not theory then. It literally happens in the WB vs UM comic. They follow the ship into the warp, and being WB, daemons help them, so they storm the ship.
It makes me think the gellar field isn't an oval bubble, but rather, a silhouette-following envelope.
The warp is barely a few meters away from the hull at all times (as seen during the attempted suicide of the Eagle King), but in a warp storm, the energy can splash onto the hull and actually touch it.
As you know, Gellar fields are not perfect, and warp follows no rules.

https://www.tumblr.com/warhammer40kdatabase/97864872952/digital-art-archive-macragges-honour-by-dan

>>96452148
okay that's metal as fuck. Why does the captain have a shit stain on his face though?

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>>96452135
i love them so much i'm going for four full squads of the normal variety with three and three of each weapon, each bearing a fist and shredder besides
along with a command squad which i've made a couple bodies for already but their parameters are still up in the air a bit so no rush there
there's also a praetor wearing an entire bear's hide
sed makes weapons of all sorts for them but i've gone for another saturnine stl collection's disintegrators and made the bombards out of a downscaled modelled thanatar's mortar

>>96450939
>most successful edition
>speedrunning to 11th
KEKAROO

>>96452209
These look great. Are you going to have any with the particle shredder?

>>96450939
I cannot clearly express how much this kind of person makes me seethe. It almost feels like bait.

>>96452257
everyone with a fist will have a shredder made out of some vaguely appropriate-looking two-pronged techmarine welding head thingie

>>96452266
That's because it is, anon.

>>96452303
Sweet. Can't wait to see what you do for command squads

>>96452309
You overestimate the IQ of 10th edition fags. You place too much faith in humanity. Come to my LGS on 40k nights and eavesdrop on an average 10th edition game. You will weep as you discover that this sort of retardation is TAME in comparison

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>>96451815
aww you saved my drawing. No time to draw much these days but I'll share my dreadnought that hurts itself

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>no triple/quadruple magazines-on-all-sides supercombinationbolter wargear option for saturnines
bullshit!

>Every pistol in the melee kit is left handed
>Want to make 10 Assault Destroyers with Volkite
So your options are:
A) 3d printed stuff that looks slightly off
B) Cannibalize Angels Tears
C) Get some old tactical marine right handed bolt pistol arms, cut the gun off and fuse a serpenta to it
D) Have their second pistol holstered

I don't have a printer, looks like C or D are the best bet.

>>96452516
Isn't this from the guy who made beautiful digital models of things and then the actual animation was absolute dogshit? Like, genuinely worse than old school gmod shitpost animation?

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>>96452559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9wV2sGlXjY
i insist you do not go overboard in besmirching the very compelling vision of things this guy put together, warts and all

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>>96452516
After seeing snippets of flavor text that refer to a "saturnine program" I agree with Anons that say the marines inside the saturnine terminators are nuggets that voluntarily got their limbs amputated so they can drive the bonikles around. So fine motor control like reloading a magazine are no longer possible with the armor's bulk so they can only use the big guns or swing a big stick or punch a big fist.
>>96452559
the animation wasn't dogshit. I think people were ripping into it for taking it slow.

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>>96452507
Also did an homage to the IH guy I played last week

>>96452573
>>96452579
Yeah, the models look great and all, but yeah, the animation looks like ass. It didn't even look all that great in the trailer, but had its moments. Also, the plot is nonsensical? Like "oh, the trailers happened, and this is what happened after the trailers. The trailers were like, the context for the narrative here." What a compelling vision, just make the trailers vague glimpses of what happened before Part One of the animation and continue from there, sure.

Guy made some amazing fucking models, but writing and animation don't seem like his strong suits. Should've gotten some help for those two things while he worked on the modeling aspect.

>>96451678
Yes, its that simple. Note the 'warm' not 'very hot' which could warp the resin (although often this is done intentionally, just not when cleaning).

And make sure you use a proper respirator anon, don't go huffing resin dust now.

>>96452630
feisty little loyalist shit
hopefully about to get dual vector foil'd beneath the engine's treads ;3
the more i see of the saturnine dread the more it's growing on me. very nice work.

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>>96452637
you're one of those irrelevant retards that thinks that if they don't criticize something aimlessly then they can't discuss it at all, aren't you?
Or were you so hopelessly excited for it that the slightest disappointment sent you into rivulets of depression?

>>96452676
It's constructive criticism.

>>96452687
No it isn't. It's lame bitching from some guy with too much time on their hands.

>>96452701
Is that you, Mark? Like I said, you made amazing models, but you should have enlisted help instead of trying to be superman and do it all yourself.

>>96452573
Animation is great, especially considering everything was done by ONE GUY. The power armor feels weighty, the camera angles are good, just look at the fingers on the NL. There are some stiff movements in the non-PA models (mainly the 20 hit combo the WE does to not!guilliman) but the only real "this is bad" moment in the entire short isthe flesh hound that clips into its own collar

>>96452722
Lame, egotistical, bitching.

>>96452731
Okay, Mark.

>>96446823

Well, it has very few units compared to Astartes, and even fewer are good because GW nerfed some of them unnecessarily. Deal with it.

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>>96452655
Thanks, I also did some terminators

>>96452773
sexcellent, giant bonus points for shaving down those fuckawful *quilas
grr hat remotely l*yalist iconography what a blemish

>>96447527

Moulds? That dude is 3d printing.

>>96447469

>Legions Imperalis. cause this seems to be the only place to talk about it.

Nah. People here sperg out if you talk about it; they don't want people playing the game.

So are there basically three main types of militia&cult armies?
>Actual grogs with an ancient Imperial Guard list they want to play
>Guys who somehow bought enough Necromunda models to make an entire army out of them (and also industrial Levy GSC lists)
>Unhinged hobbyist that actually make an original army

>>96449542

In terms of canonicity, GW-written sourcebooks should always trump Black Library books.

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>>96452783
Yeah the aquillas are something else. Here's a pic of deployment. Now I sleep

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>>96451897
Blood Reaver, the 40k Night Lord 2nd book, has a good part of this. Let’s just say….it doesn’t work out that easy
>>96452062
Lord Have Mercy. We got 2/3.0 instead of this!!?? As a Blood Angel player I feel so fuckin cheated. I feel the Black Rage upon me….Fucking James fuckin Whoreshop. Augh

>>96452507
This is a beautiful model. Love the red. Are the letters painted?? Or a decal. It’s great work, either or. Looks like the IH is jerkin with the melta though aha

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i hate the imperium so goddamn much it's unreal

>>96452891
Cope.

>>96452891
Cope.

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>>96452891
Shut the fuck up, word nerd

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co-opting mars as opposed to subjugating and trampling them entirely out of hand was the initialmost and terminal fall from grace
tolerancing and embrace of servitorization is incompatible with any power that would purport itself a benefactor of mankind
the admech are fucking absolute nuts that should have been regarded with all the reverence of the churches given the torch on terra
they are paragons and theologians of debasement and little else

now excuse me while i feed this child to a demon brute

>>96446980
>Reddit being Reddit
It's a commie bot farm anyways

>>96447696
Lovely kit bash and paint job, good job mane!

>>96450087
Someone post the buckteeth Night Lord head

>>96450939
These are the kind of cowards that make this hobby shit.

it's easy to find the black books, but I've failed to find those Index Astartes books from 20 years ago. Does anyone have them? I remember the lore in them was the non-shit original lore before BL retcons.

>>96453659
* found them on google "3rd Edition - ProHammer 40k" had all 4 on a drive, that's some nostalgia

>>96452148

My favourite thing about gellar fields are how the Orks version is that they just put big teeth on the front of their ships to scare the Daemons away, and it works.

Although to be fair, they are VERY big teeth.

>>96452961

They also had all of the Titans at the time of reunification. And a much larger manufacturing base to make more. Certainly they could recoup losses far quicker than the Emperor could at the time.

It was almost certainly a pragmatic decision, one that he probably meant to try and fix at some point, but never actually found the right time before the Heresy kicked off and ruined everything.

>>96452928
reading Betrayer they make out the Gal Vorbak got obliterated on Isstvan V but hw the fuck did that even happen? Did the RG rush them and somehow instantly know how to kill the strongest possessed marines ever created whilst managing to also flee?

>>96453948
Isstvan V was a big fight

>>96453948
Corax ran straight through them

>>96429675
Did you remake the Supports after you scaled down or did the presupports work?

Is there a way to kit bash rapiers somehow. All the version are impossible to get from FLGS and GW has crazy prices in those miliseconds when they aren't sold out. I just need 2-3 with thudd guns.

Why would traitor word bearers...fight traitor word bearers?

>>96454259
Because the gods demanded it. They're religious nutcases, schizos don't need reason.

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>>96454259
One group (heroically or cowardly) refused to accept a revised calendar system. It's caused schisms in the real world, don't see why it wouldn't be valid in fiction.

>>96450401

I'm surprised you don't have more Heavy Ordnance in there, that stuff is great. 85-90pts for solid vehicle damage. I like the industrial weapon grenadiers, that's very cute.

>>96452961

I think basically every description of the alliance with Mars is "yeah, we could invade, but it would hellfuck both Terra and Mars, destroy 90% of the stuff we want from the Martians and there's a very real possibility that Terra would lose". I suppose "the Great Crusade stops before it leaves Sol and the primarchs are not given the ability to fuck everything up" might well be a net positive for the galaxy.

>>96454469
If all the human populated worlds would have remained isolated humanity would 100% have gotten wiped out by the next big ork WAAAGH!!!, necrons waking up, or nids arriving, you name it.

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>>96454516
How is this so much better than BL

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>>96454524
It's honest

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Will hh 3.0 transform into a table sport like 40k under Pardo's guidance?

>>96450371
Running against hordes.
What legion is going to get the highest score versus the zerg rush of bodies? Obviously everyone's first thought is NL, but what does that look like? If not, what is the back up plan?

>>96454619
Anyone with volkites, snipers/seekers, or blast weapons, heavy bolters. NL, AL (effrit, can take a fear(1) unit like terror squad or a good status inflicting unit like ashen circle), IF +1 to hit with bolters is great.

Hordes are decently easy to deal with if you build a list that can deal with ~60 tacs (which you should)

>>96454619

Most horde lists are footslogging, and footslogging hordes take up tons of space and can't move through each other. Pinning the leading squads will inevitably cause a giant traffic jam.

80 riflemen firing kill about one terminator and will rout any reasonable horde squad in melee, so BA and AL's scoring termies might be pretty good. AL are also hard to charge for melee hordes, Lernaeans all come with Volkite and Seekers/Headhunters will remove all the horde morale boosters with Precision and then start layering on the statuses, so I think they have a great spread of options for this.

Mechanicum might need to build for it, but they also have a great many status weapons and Ursarax are horde-eating Vanguard 3 machines.

>>96454612
>Will hh 3.0 transform into a table sport like 40k
No.
>under Pardo's guidance?
Most definitely not.

>>96454619
Maybe DG because they can move and still get +1 shot with heavy bolters and volkite culverins, or WE because with +1 attack on the charge even despoiler squads are gonna plough through infantry hordes like it's nobody's business.

>>96452811
Yes, the list was originally intended for the 3rd type.

>>96452014
It's the warp, remotely nothing about it makes a lick of sense if you use traditional logic instead of unga-bunga superstition.

>>96454612
Pardo needs to cheat and remove all LOS blockers from the game because he's too short to see the table, he's not coaching anyone

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>>96454612
I threw up in my mouth looking at that image.