Previous Thread: >>96476150>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What concept, theme or background do you want Magic to do? How would you like to see it done?
Fucking newfags always baking new early. The thread can easily go to 600 before it needs a new one. It isn't a fast board, there's very little risk of a 404, and anyone looking for /edhg/ is going to search it in the catalog so being visible on the first page doesn't matter to us.We were having a nice discussion of future potential for tarot cards.
>>96483268Lets decide what the post limit should be for a new one then. 500 or 150 images reached? No less?
>>96483268Holy shit cry us a fucking river
>>96483249>TQ: What concept, theme or background do you want Magic to do? How would you like to see it done?I know it doesn't fit the normal flavor, but with all these UB sets out does it even matter at this point? Either way Venture Bros. is incredibly based and has tons of characters, lore and interesting locations. It would make an awesome set.
>>96483249>TQ: What concept, theme or background do you want Magic to do? How would you like to see it done?What I want:>Conan the Barbarian, Dark Sword & Sorcery>bloody battles, edgy villains, masculine warriors, sexy womenWhat I will get:>popular anime UB + precons
>>96483268Then continue the discussion?? Or was it already dead so now all you can do is complain?
>>96483273Image limit is reasonable. Last thread was at 84/150 images by the way>>96483280Silence newfag
>>96483309>Then continue the discussion??It's much harder to carry on cross-thread you drooling retard. How about you learn anything about how this site works before you start shitting the place up?
>>96483318What tarot card do you want to be printed into MTG the most anon? What would it look like? What world would it fit on?
>>96483318The thread question was probably tailor made to continue that discussion dumbass.
>>96483327>>96483137
>>96483268Why do zoomers care so much about chan "culture" (that coincidentally has only existed for a couple years)
>>96483381They crave *so badly* to be a part of the "cool kids club". It's honestly pathetic
>>96483381>has only existed for a couple yearslmaoAlso nothing in that post even hinted at culture. You were given 2 good reasons that we don't need a new thread.1. The board isn't fast, so there was no risk of the thread 404ing, it was on page 72. This is a general that people are hardly ever going to click on a whim when they see it in the catalog. People looking for EDH threads are going to search for EDH threads so there is no advantage to being on the first page.>>96483407I'll tell you what's pathetic, redditors with no concept of how this site works just doing things they don't understand for no coherent reason>unga bunga thread at bump limit>reddit not have bump limit>me not know what do>hmm me think make new thread because no bump limit betterer!
>>96483381OP here>chan culture has only existed for a couple years2006ish is almost 20 years anon. The culture emergent from 4chan is hugely influential on the internet and mainstream culture. And that core is worth preserving, even if anon got mad at me for starting a new thread because he wanted a comfy down-board tarot talk
>>96483419>nothing in that post even hinted at culture>newfagsYou wouldn't have used newfags if it wasnt them breaking some apparent rule or code of conduct (which they would know if they weren't "newfags"). Culture is implied. Logically refuted, dont respond to me.
>>96483436Yes, you are a newfag because you fundamentally do not understand how this site works or why we make new threads when we do. That's nothing to do with culture.Find something else to be mad about newfag
>>96483419Jesus christ he's still going lmao. Show us the official post from the mods/admin if you're so confident, show us ANY proof whatsoever of these """""official rules""""". I see nothing on the rules page, too? Curious.
>>96483453>he's still going>HAHAHAHA YOU ARE REPLYING TO A CONVERSATION I AM ALSO REPLYING TO!!!!!! I WIN!!!!Manlet cope
>>96483449>how this site works>how or why we do things>nothing to do with cultureYou do not know what the words you use mean.
*tucks your commander*Nothing personnel kid
>>96483480Here's your (You), friendo
>>96483480Didn't they change it so you can replace that effect with sending your commander to the command zone now?
>>96483463>if I define everything as culture then I win!Is that your culture?
>>96483501Yes, he's being silly for the (you)s
return to ikoria will be a tokusatsu-themed set
Anons, I am thinking about upgrading my Saruman deck since it has been having a hard time keeping up with modern precons (which is usually the level I play at). I`ve been thinking about getting>Manaform Hellkite>Shark Typhoon>Vial Smasher the FierceAs an alternative wincon for big spells and more big spells that can be cast cheap like Curtains' Call. Do you guys have some suggestions?
>>96483501Yes whenever your commander would leave the battlefield you can put them back in the command zone
>>96483518You know in this day and age that poster could be an alt art. Why the fuck not? Who needs readability anymore?
>>96483536In most cases, yes. With something like this, no.
>go to a new game store for the first time>everyone is fine, games are fine>but they're all talking about how they set aside hundreds of dollars a month to buy foils and Secret Lair arts to "upgrade" their decks>they literally refer to it as an investment>mfw
>>96483518Honestly at this point I would enjoy that. The WB humans fighting the monsters were a little heavy handed as "bad fascists" when the set really needed a FUN human representative. The monsters are genuinely bad and trying to eat you, we need real heroes.
>>96483546This is incredibly readable anon do you have visual issues?
>>96483549Yeah, yeah, but that's the resolution of an ability. Like a self-contained package. All the text there effectively resolves at once before anything else can happen
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96483579What's the card's types anon? Creature? Legendary creature? Enchantment creature? What kind of creature is it? Demon? Avatar? Tell me where that is on the card please.
>Mark notices red is struggling in EDH>"Hmm maybe this is because red offers very little splash value in a format with Legacy-tier manabases and extremely limited aggro prospects due to your opponents having 6x life.">"...Nah let's keep doubling down on 'play from exile' cards for red's design space, making it even less splashable."Is R&D fucking stupid? They can't even break the color pie correctly.
>>96483580Yeah I know, I was just pointing out the exception to the general rule. You can't *always* do the commander trick. I think there's a few other cards that circumvent this as well
>>96483587What does that have to do with readability? Youre retarded holy fuck. It lacking information is NOT a readability issue.
>>96483590I know you watched a youtube video and decided to absorb some e-celeb's opinion as your own like the horrifyingly hollow mimic you are, but red is by far the most popular monocolor in this format. You can literally just compare numbers on EDHREC
>>96483598>vital information literally is not there to read>"what does that have to do with readability????"I diagnose you with shit for brains, I will inform your insurance, your bill is $30,000
>>96483608Yes NOT THERE TO READ. Readability, means the words can be read, the ones present, not the invisible words you think need to be present. Fuck sakes I hate this fucking thread so much
I have both a Raff and an Osgir list I quite like. I also have a Kykar Vehicles deck that I might pull apart.Do you have some fun Izzet Commander recommendations that I can build to complete my artifact guilds trifecta in Jeskai?
>what up you tryin to play a game?>hell yeah man watchu playin today?>I am playing an untap combo and attack with a pumped up creature for lethal>cool I react at instant speed with a sorcery and win the gamewhat a faggot lmao
>>96483601>Krenko is all of redOkay mark.
>>96483619>text that isn't even there is decipherable and legibleCome on now.
>>96483268>hurrr wait until page 11Fuck off. This isn't /p/
>>96483381Desperate need to fit in.
>>96483419>1. The board isn't fastIt actually is fairly speedy compared to about 7 other boards I go to. It ain't /vpol/ or /pol/ but it's faster than shit like /toy/. /xs/ has threads up from a YEAR ago. You seem to operate off the idea it is still 2011.
>>96483679>>96483692Page 7 is fine. We were barely halfway to image limit.
>>96483709I'm gonna make it whenever the fuck I want and you can deal with it, cunt.
>>96483710>the redditor shits wherever he pleases
>>96483692>You seem to operate off the idea it is still 2011.based
>>96483764Based redditors
>>96483480Get locked in a room retard.
>>96483649I made this just for you anon. I want you to refer back to it as often as necessary
>>96483836>only one of my monocolored commanders is on the listNice.
>>96483794needs to be a room
>>96483859We're not going to see another room for like 5 years anon. New mechanics exist only for draft now. Adventure is the only mechanic in the last 6 years that actually saw prints in sets other than the one that introduced it. I wish I was fucking joking.
>opponent always picks me for fact or fictiondoes this mean im the most dumbest
>>96483836>People play monoR that means they're reaching for red in multicolor decksPlease continue embarrassing yourself though.
>>96483870>New mechanics exist only for draft nowI hate how true this is. I desperately want more rad counter support, the only way to make it function is to run an assload of proliferate stuff, which feels so cheap
>>96483917Does your head have any noticeable dents in it anon?
>>96483601that's not what anon said, he said that red cards overall see less play because they are less splashable, not that monored isn't good.
>>96483924Yes
>>96483870>New mechanics exist only for draft now. >nowIf by “now”, you mean “for the majority of the game’s lifespan”, sure.
>>96483924It's okay anon one day you'll understand gameplay fundamentals.
>>96483923desu I'd love to see an actual magic set with a nuclear themeUnfortunately wizards are terrified of guns, which rather takes the teeth out of what you'd expect such a plane to look like
>Kingpin didn't get a cardThe fuck
>>96483957Spider-Verse characters were too mainstream for Mark. He wanted to jerk off the comics more but Sony didn't let him.
>>96483955You keep saying that when there's like 30+ cards with guns on them including in this set.
>>96483966Huh?
How do you win with her?
>>96483947Buddy I can't think of a time where ONE new mechanic in SIX years was the only one to be printed in other sets
>>96483870Connive has been in three sets.
>>96483480I really, really dislike them removing that rule. It made Hinder and Hallowed Burial so much fucking fun to use back in the day. It also reinforced the ethos back then where your deck usually wasn't solely designed to work with only your commander, and if it was you knew the risk.
>>96483994curiosity
Should I build Zidane focusing more on the theft/gift aspect or go blink heavy for a more reliable gameplan?
>>96484034I would say blink because I'm a flickerfag and it would give you better wincons.
>>96483994There are a lot of ways, I generally try to make life totals zero.https://archidekt.com/decks/12611334/yshtola_nights_blessed_self_discard
>>96484022Absolute syntax salad trying to get this fucker to work, but there have been precisely 11 cards printed with Connive since SNC, and funnily enough most of them are in Spider-Man.I have no fucking idea why Lethal Scheme isn't excluded by the term to limit number of prints to 1 but I don't care to learn.https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Aconnive+-set%3Asnc+-set%3Ancc+-set%3Apncc+-set%3Aplst+-set%3Aspg+-set%3Apsnc+numberofprints%3D1+-is%3Adigital&unique=cards&as=grid&order=color
>>96484034Id probably take the best of both worlds. Been considering building him myself, just the 1-2 cost flicker spells and then the best costed theft ones
>>96483301I would nut for official Monarch-themed Monarch tokens
>>96483994Almost trivially easily, for the most part. Any draw engine and she can turn a deck full of mana rocks into pain and suffering for 3 players
Spiderman is the worst set since Aetherdrift. I know it hasn't even been a year, but still.
>>96484089The syntax you're looking for is "o:"<relevant text here>" anon. And way to goalpost move. The reason set mechanics haven't gotten a lot of reprints is because they're either straight dookie or godforsaken to reprint. Shit like Runes or Mutate, stuff that is a poor fit outside of their sets. This has been true of several stretches of MTG history tho, so worry not.
>>96484163Honestly, it's the worst since the fucking Walking Dead cards, for me
>>96484163Apparently anti-AI retards accused this artist of making this with AI so he had to dump all his preliminary attempts. Turns out he's just very good at doing vehicles or making flags make sense.Anti-AI shit is so performative and they keep showing they already don't know the difference.
>>96484178Fwiw I don't think it's AI, just sloppy artwork. The perspective on the flag is so wonky.
>>96484178I didn't really have it pegged as AI, but it's a really fucked perspective like how sun-spider has a full blown midget arm.But go off king. You tell the 'anti-AI retards' all about it, preferably in whatever thread they're in, far away from us.
>>96484169>The syntax you're looking for is "o:"<relevant text here>" anonYeah, great fucking idea. Then I get Streets of New Capenna, Streets of New Capenna Commander, Promo Streets of New Capenna, Promo Streets of New Capenna Commander, The List, Special GuestYou can look at the fucking syntax used, I was removing the set itself and all reprints of cards from that set.If you do that, and exclude Spider-Man since it isn't even fucking out yet, there's precisely FOUR new cards with connive on them in the 3 years since Streets of New Capenna
>>96484194And your argument was "nothing got reprinted" so maybe reallocate some brainpower from the Scryfall Syntax part of the brain to the Picking Better Positions in Internet Arguments part of the brain.
>>96483836that drop off in monowhite deck numbers is pretty crazy
>>96483836abdel/far traveler bros? oketrasisters?
>>96484202>And your argument was "nothing got reprinted"No my argument was you don't get new fucking cards with a recently introduced mechanic because WotC is printing new mechanics exclusively for a draft environment and they don't give a shit.And I'm right. They printed it for New Capenna, and they never fucking brought it back in other sets. They just reprinted a select few cards for commander decks, and one-ofs in shit like Special Guest (it was Ledger Shredder btw, gee I wonder why they reprinted that one!) and Modern Horizons 3 which has almost every fucking key word in it somewhere.Adventure is the only mechanic in the last 6 years that they have brought back as a core mechanic in subsequent sets. It was in Throne of Eldraine, then Baldurs Gate, then Wilds of Eldraine. It's the only fucking one, in SIX YEARS.When do you think you're gonna see a set with rooms support? Or start your engines? Fucking never, because they exist only so WotC can jingle keys at draft players
>Be an artist in 2025>Fuck up even once>Art accused of being AI
>>96484236Mounts have had two sets.
>>96484236And this whole thread people have been telling you that not being reprinted under any circumstance has been the fate of most set mechanics, which you don't seem to get. Maybe because you're new to the game or only just started paying attention to this sort of thing or my personal bet, you watched a youtube video about someone talking about it and have that temporary "this is on my mind and I want to Discourse about it" behavior.
>>96484026>>96484154Oh duh.
Alright /edhg/, how am I winning with this chick? Simic has a wide open field of win conditions, so I'm open to funny answers.
>don’t really like commander but have a couple decks >at my lgs and they ask me to fill out a pod, saying to play the strongest I have no restrictions >I say okay I guess and play Vivi>combo kill them all on turn 2 by Viving them out>2 of them were super mad even though they said assume cedhCommanderfags are such children
>>96484263Posting the flip side so people have all the available information
>>96484258
>>96484255I'm so bored of you making arguments you don't believe in. Why don't you try your "it's normal for mechanics to never come back though!!!" against this guy arguing that plenty of mechanics have come back >>96484249
>>96484247Probably the worst part of AI. Artists who don't draw in a completely realistic style are now called AI.
>>96484280Soulshift.Haunt.Sunburst.Splice.
>>96484280Let's look at it a different way: Aside from Adventures, what set mechanic has been worth reprinting?
>>96484299Rads
>>96484247It's what shitters deserveNobody cares if what you make looks good
roomsbattlescases
>>96484288I have a friend who's a professional artist who once did some work for another company who she didn't wanted to be publicly credited for personal reasons.A lot of comments were asking if it were AI simply because the art had no credited artist...
>>96484247It's all performative. These just want to white knight the art community by trying to make AI so toxic no one wants to touch it and their furry porn art mutuals on social media will stop crying. It's one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.The sentiment almost exclusively originates from artists making nonsense arguments to defend their income.One of the most amusing to me was them saying that AI being trained to mimic an artist is stealing from them. As if real artists don't develop by copying other artists. As if you have any intellectual rights to a style that exclude all others from emulating it.Ultimately AI is massively more convenient than paying some retard $1000 to work on something for weeks that might not even really be what you wanted by the end of it. So AI will win out, with these people white knighting the income of artists every step of the way
>>96484303So, a product release that never had a draft set? That's it? I do agree with you, rads is an incredible mechanic that needs to get reprinted.
>morph>megamorph>manifest>manifest dread>cloakwhat else
>>96484299Battles. They’re an interesting card type
>>96484317I'm not the guy you are arguing with. I'm just answering.
>>96484330Oh, ok.
What is the worst designed card in the past few years?IMO it’s Nadu. Nadu is such a miserable card, it’s mind blowing it was printed in that form
>>96484334Vivi
>>96484335Vivi is super strong but it just needed to be a bit weaker. Nadu creates non-deterministic combo turns that are impossible to track it’s genuinely horrific
>>96484269oh my fucking god how did I miss this when building Pride of Hull Clade? I would suck your dick if I could, anon
>>96484341I don't feel Nadu is immediately as broken at a first glance to someone designing and balancing. Anyone who even saw a preview of Vivi knew how busted he was even before anyone used him.
>>96484348Supposedly these cards are playtested, and it would have become apparent immediately after nadu hits the board that it's out of hand.
>>96484334Vivi is the most broken card we've seen in an extremely long time. I place it well above Nadu
>>96484348Gavin knew Vivi was busted. He said there was a card that has cEDH viability during interviews before the set dropped.
>>96484357Gavin should have remembered that FF was not a commander set.
>>96484354Nadu was playtested in an earlier form. It granted flash to permanents and triggered its effect from enemy targeting spells and abilities. They removed the flash and scribbled the final text in at the last second to prevent it from being a dud in EDH. He wasn't playtested in this state.
>>96483381Johnny come lately acting like we havent been waiting for page 10 for literally a decadeSad
>>96483994Phyresis 90% of the time
>>96484426No other general I hang out in does this shit.
>>96484006Cycling in Onslaught was literally the first time they brought back a set mechanic. Ten years into the game's lifespan. After that, we wouldn't see a mechanic come back again until Dissension brought back split cards from Invasion block, which was roughly six years prior.
>Friend told me to use more lands and less mana rocks>Told him no>He stuff his deck full of artifact removalFucker
>>96484486He warned you and you chose not to listen.
>find out recently my brother-inlaw got into edh>makes a deck for his wife>I make a deck for mine>power level is all over the place>I try to explain that we have a really good opportunity to teach our wives mtg fundamentals by introducing ideas like card advantage, mana curves, playing around removal, threat assessment via deck building choices.>we never need to arms races because only two of us are even building decks>we have the opportunity here to a really open and interesting meta>im losing him>his eyes glaze over>yeah so anyway I got the sonic cards>did you see shadow lol he gives everything split second I think we might be very different edh players. Any tips for keeping this group from imploding?
>>96484450Congratulations for adding nothing of value to this conversation
>>96484486If your friend is a YouTuber he’s a fucking stupid one
>>96484511Have sex with your brothers wife
>>96484486Build Avacyn and give him noogies with your indestructible artefacts
>UBGRRR >:(>UB but Japan:D YAAAY
>>96483249>tqDark OSR style dungeon plane. Not gay zoomie souls Warhammer overblown anime shit with muh 1000 ft goffik cathedrals and 20 ft swords, I want golden age fantasy aesthetic in a dark and dreary labyrinth with forlorn warriors stalking oppressive halls in search of vain hopes or forbidden truths and coming up against horrific and frightening enemies, like Vermis or Fear and Hunger.
>>96484334Vivi. Getting +1/+1 for casting noncreature spells is fine. Pinging for spells is fine. Getting mana based on power is fine. Getting all 3 for 3 mana is fine. Essentially at that point Vivi was just an updated Mizzix and would be a fun, strong but fair spellslinger Commander. But not having to tap for that mana production and it costing zero to activate? Absolute retardation.
>>96484334I don't even think Nadu should have been banned. It got banned in EDH for its sins in Modern.
>>96484238BASEDI'm trying to make this guy work as a 1v1. Lots of bounce and counter-spells. Might post my deck later.
>>96484564wait a second
>can't use Pictures of Spider-Man in a JJJ DeckBut...He needs them.
>>96484605
>>96484163It is a double fail. It sucks as both a magic AND Spider-Man set.
>>96484605Now you're getting it.
>>96484605>ub but fitting fantasy settinglotr, ff, (+ DND)>ub but unfitting non fantasy settingeverything else
Kinda crazy that they made Web-Slinging a theme in Spider-Man but gave it no real payoffs.Crazy that they didn’t give mayhem any payoffs either. Villains payoff is fucking Mysterio? Doc Ock just makes them bigger.
>>96484718I think his edh ban is justified under the precedent of paradox engine. New players who don't know how to sequence a non deterministic combo could make some miserable half hour turns that end in them losing to the crackback, and no one wants that experience.
>>96484718Nadu was a problem in cEDH too.
>>96483518please god no resurrect my bro Lukka so he can hate crime the bleed of weeaboo trash art into the game
>>96484767Wouldn't ATLA fit then?
>>96484767>ummmm FF fits fantasyFF15 is modern as fuck. As is FF7.
>>96484784They don't make bans off cEDH
>>96484797This card fucks by the way.
>>96484605capeshit bad>>96484797It still fits because even the techier FFs are still magitech settings, where people who live in skyscrapers have swordfights. And Magic already did that with New Capenna.
>>96484605the hallmark for tolerable UB is simple: could you by changing the name and flavor text pass it off as a UW card?If yes, it's good, if no it's bad, simple asPic related is a good example of tolerable UB
>>96484823People who play magic because fantasy don't care about the game itself.
>>96484826Aesthetics are as relevant to a game as its mechanicsPeople who fail to understand this are probably communists
>>96484833or hardcore capitalists of the type who dreamt up spider man crossover (if I ever use any card from that set I'm doing the arena proxie because fuck everything about that entire set)
>>96483249>TQ: What concept, theme or background do you want Magic to do? How would you like to see it done?Alternate universe/timeline where thr good guys are evil and vice versa. Call the set Shadowy Visions or something, to go with the reversed moralities theme. Give us reverse Dominaria where Karn is evil and has to be stopped by the holy phyrexians. Teferi is Dimir. Yawgmoth is white. Urza is mono black or rakdos.For over a decade I always said wild west set but then we got it and it sucked. I feel if we got a wild west plane before they dropped the block system it would have been epic.
>>96484769Web-slinging at least synergizes with station. Which is good, because a problem with the set is it feels like it wasn't designed with the idea of fitting into the standard meta.
>>96484605when we get an Atlus UB and it's just Persona 5 you'll see how true that is or isn't
>>96484855They'll have a lot of P4 in there as well.
>>96484841This is a philosophical point I do not have time to fully elaborate on at present but tldr the capitalist does not actually care about the health of the system either way, he merely wishes to extract profit from it irrespective of externalities (like how fun the game is to play), whereas the communist believes the system can be "rationalised", that anything which cannot be defended by dialectic has no value.
>>96484794NTA but I consider ATLA to be a good fit for magic if we must do UB. It's a world of spiritualism, adventure, tradition, prophecies and destiny. It's much closer to old magic than Aetherdrift.I'd honestly be much more chill about UB being a thing if it was just stuff like LOTR and ATLA.
>>96484855"nothing better to combat spider slop than my subway slammer deck"
>>96484794ATLA is like 1 degree of separation from just being Tarkir without dragons or undead and a bunch of mixed up animals instead
>>96484868which is why it's such a shame Fallout was the bethesda UB instead of TESthat said Avatar does suffer from one thing: too much spam of the same characterSure we were getting Katara, nothing wrong with that, but why in the name of all that's holy do we get 5 different god damn Katara cards
>>96484875Personally it's characters for each book/season in the main set and a bunch of mono colored ones in the starter products
>>96484875Is there 5 Kataras? I thought I only saw 2 but desu this shit comes out so fast now I dont even know any more broI did notice no Korra cards, probably keeping that up their sleeves for thr sequel set lol
>>96484794categorically yes, but it just doesn't feel right in my heart
>>96484884regardless of what you think of Korra, it really should have been included, especially if they're doing the same character multiple timesthere's 5 kataras, 2x pure U, pure W (the absolute fuck), Azorius and a generic doubler Bant even Aang sofar only has 4 cards, Toph has 2, someone way up the design team has himself a waifu
>>96484901Katara is hot so I am good with it. Hope we get a gooner printing of her.
>>96483480I am one of the bigger UB haters in my group so I'm seething as monoblack removal dot removal player because the art and name sucks but paper reads so good.
>>96484875if the UB was TES they could just remake every TESL card in MTG...
>>96484797ff is weeaboo cringe and the alternate arts they have gave me cancer
>>96484917With you on the alt artsAnd the art for the human characters generallyThe weird 3D-anime hybrid look is unpleasant in itself and clashes violently with other magic art.
>>96484963>>96484945woops
>>96484917>so goodIts middling at best
I'm not going to let any UB-Hater use proxies of the arena versions
>>96484963if wotc could calm down with the alt arts and save them for an occasion like they did with amonkhet arts that would be great
>>96484969unconditional non-destruction targeting removal on instant speed is rare for mono black and the context of my opinion is mono black. It's good because it fills a very specific niche hole that was just kinda filled by archenemy charm (and overkill from FF set now that I think about it) but you can cast the spot off from non swamp manasource and apply cost reduction vs BBB.
>>96483501unless they make it an enchantment or steal it, then there's nothing you can do
>>96484917That card isn't even good design. Putting creatures on top or the bottom of the library is a white or blue effect. Black cares about outright murdering creatures or torturing them to death via -1/-1 counters. Like always, UB is trash and not real Magic.
>>96485088Just wait until they give black artifact removal lol
>>96485094Good.
>>96485088My main counterpoint would be that previously this was considered a drawback (well, mostly for blue, because aside from Spin Into Myth your opponent had to let it go to the bottom), but now with the myriad of death triggers (and now, exile triggers), shuffling into the deck is now the most desirable form of removal.It's also very similar to how blue's humble effects (e.g. Witness Protection) were previously considered bad because they left your opponent with a body, and if they really cared about the text on the card, they could remove the enchantment. However because of commanders and the command zone, they became extremely desirable by comparison.
>>96485107black had artifact removal in antiquities and they STOLE IT from us
shelobbros... we're fucked
>>96485124It's not about being better or worse removal. It's just something black doesn't do. Green is the color of big dumb creatures. If some UB set gave big green creatures flying it would still be wrong, even though they are just improving on what green does best.
>>96483249I have that card, she's cute so I always want to put her in a deck but she's one of the first to get cut
>>96485151Wasn't some nerd here saying they don't print cards that hose the main tribe of a set in the set?.
>>96485162The problem is that "black is good at killing creatures" conflicts directly with "the color bad at killing creatures is actually better at it now because their drawback became an upside."
>>96485162Yeah it would be weird if green got a really big flier.
>>96485142"Had" does a lot of lifting when the whole history is literally just 3 cards from antiquities, mirage and the dark.
>>96485212And I just learned I have been reading ashes to ashes wrong my whole life. I have kept reading it as "non-creature artifacts" so yeah its 2 cards and I'm blind
>>96483836mono reds commander options are popular because they are fun to play, and because they turbo charge their respective strategies, making the decks often often very reliant on the commander itself.>mono red popular ergo the color itself is akshually very goodyeah, be very proud of your say_nothing_shitstain.jpg
>>96483994you do the thing (drain life)and draw card
>>96484868>It's a world of spiritualism, adventure, tradition, prophecies and destiny.And, you know, all the magic.
cowards
is kamahl fist of krosa flash creatures a bracket 4 deck?
>>96485290Almost certainly not unless its nothing but tutors and combos
>>96485290Where's the synergy between Kamahl and flash? Do you have a list?
>>96485290Does it have any two card combos?Does it loop extra turns?Does it have more than 3 cards from the GC list?If you answered yes to any of these, then the answer to your question is also yes.
>>96485308it's just an idea before committing. flash means I can leave mana open to kamahl's land animation ability if someone wipes>>96485307>>96485316no combos, no nothing. just trying to kill their lands
what do you call this expression
>>96485323"my pain is greater than yours"
>>96485319I built a Kamahl deck. It's literally just ramp and untap effects. You would be suprised how consistently you can win with that strategy. But beware of destroying lands with his ability. It leads to much hurt feelings. I don't use it anymore at opponent's lands.
If you see this card at a bracket 3 pod what do you do? I'm trying to adapt but all I see is a deck that doesnt like being interacted with and an obscene amount of incidental card draw
>>96485368Kill the commander?
>>96485368I cast fungal fortitude
>>96485368Pick up my cards an leave. I rather play with the magic boomers than some cargo pants wearing literal autist, who may or may not have sexual fantasies involving hedgehogs.
>>96485379BASED
>>96485319>just trying to kill their landsMLD is bracket 4 and if you're destroying lands enough to deny people their mana then that probably would count
>>96485370How much removal should I be playing? I gotta kill this fucker like 3 or 4 times before he stays off the board
Who is your next commander? Tell me. I wanna know.
>>96485385Your opponent is paying 8 mana to recast him and hasn't lost?
>>96485368I frankly wouldn't play against that garbage with a bracket 3 deck.
>>96485388Yeah, the deck is full of treasures and ramp Bracket 3 isn't exactly super fast. . Scam cards and sac outlets are also annoying cause they almost certainly have split second.
>>96485386I'm rebuilding my first commander Vorodh the Hunter for my bracket 2 meta. I'm trying for an unconventional control deck, fogs instead of boardwipes, all of the vow/goad cards and tap/bounce instead of kill.
>>96485399>Deck burns its treasure mana for the 8 mana commanderAgain I reiterate my question of how this isn't game-losing unless you're a moron not looking at his board the entire game.
>>96485410You end up spending your turns killing it over and over again. Frankly hes not really paying 8. He's probably reanimating it at that point hes card neutral thanks to his abilityUr going down in cards trading 1 for 1, or losing any board you have to a wipe while again hes drawingThe whole thing is a mess
>>96485410Anon you don't pay commander tax fir scam cards
>>96485426Wow that was really hard.
>>96485399>ramp and treasures means bracket 4lmfao
>>96484222Unsurprisingly the best hoverslut commander is a more popular choice than an unfun wad of shit like Light-Paws.
>>96485460Woosh
>>96485455How many effects like this are there, Ima give it a shot
>>96485386I keep brewing decks but they're all just deck archetypes I already have and the newer commanders we've been getting are just the same shit we've gotten a dozen times or wildly uninteresting and/or too weak.
>>96485476My man, there are tons and in basically every color.
>>96485386Senor Negativo
What's her deck, /edhg/?
>>96485383I'm not the one destroying them tho. just holding the table hostage if someone wants to wipe my dinky flash creatures that I can then pump for lethal
>>96485476every color except red. blue has most and green second most
>>96485532Retards will really see there being 5 total rules for a casual format and still try to angleshoot them because they have zero impulse control.
>>96485542The point of brackets is to angleshoot
>>96485476Lots. They're very good against stuff like this (and most other things). You have to be careful though because they don't work versus certain creatures due to the layer system like this nigga.
>>96479053Man I wanna believe in them, though. They're cool, a bit fancy, and a lot of them have cool or interesting effects that draw my eye even if they aren't competitive. When I had Sidar Jabari, I was using Raffine as one of the only non-knights and she was completely fucking nuts, though, so that is a thought to keep in the back pocket for when I need a deck that cares about discard/connive again.>>96478676>>96478669So, Eowyn does seem interesting.>Unusual Knight colors>No black so I can save my black knights for a different deck>Makes tokens>is a knight herself>most knights I care about are human anyway>lets me draw card>probably adores extra combats
>>96485622why did they make her LOOK like THAT
>>96485635There was a monster behind her
>>96485641You know what I mean. Also the action lines make no sense here, she's contorted in all the wrong ways.
>>96485534>>96485498Imprison in the moon and song of the dryads are the only ones that come to mind. The fuck are you guys on??
>>96485689Lignify, Darksteel Mutation
>>96485692One can be freed with any boardwipe or blocking a sufficiently large creature, the other with half the boardwipes or by saccing. The other two enchantments are particularly nasty cause many decks don't have many ways to interact with enchantments and even less for lands. Lignify and darksteel mutation are child's play in comparison. Also lmao at "there are tons" and "in every colour".
>>96485702Are you retarded?
>>96485708Are you? Are three cards "a ton"? Are three colours all colours? No, the effect is incredibly rare, especially if you don't include the enchantments that turn something into a useless creature which might or might not solve the problem.
>>96485722>ummm im gonna just ignore all these cards and narrow it down to 3 so I can be correctSo you are retarded.
>>96485006>>96485124Nah like I am letting you know its not very good. You could type 50 more paragraphs its simply not good,. I was being nice now shut the fuck up UBTourist lmao>>96485319Then yes, obviously, you dont even need to ask you fucking moron. Kill yourself.>>96485587Genuinely only a low IQ or non white person could hold this view. Which is it?>>96485722Easily off the top of my head i can think of about 15 of these cards across many colors
>>96485622>Knights are coolTraditional retardation from childhood. Let it go.>A bit fancyFaggot.>A lot of them have cool or interesting effectsName fucking 5 knights in those colors that "draw your eye" or whatever. I have a feeling they're all fucking terrible or retarded. Make sure they are human or else they don't synergize.
>>96485689>UBTourist only knows the most popular of cards and is completely incapable of using scryfall to find the myriad of comparable optionsDIE UBTOURIST DIE>>96485469Gaida is not fun you stupid nigger lmao.
>>96485825AdelineAdrianaAmbitious FarmhandBenalish Honor GuardDauntless Bodyguard Dawnstrike Vanguard DionEmbereth Skyblazer/Shield/VeteranTons of LOTR cards. I got board. Tons of good knights lol
>>96485827You can always play a hipster angel waifu for angel tribal if you're too cool to play the one everyone else is playing, just don't act surprise when the deck struggles.
>>96485825Chieftain en-Dal, Embereth Shieldbreaker, Eowyn Fearless Knight, Haythem Kenway, Herald of Hoofbeats, Marton Stromgald, Order of the Sacred Torch, Northern/Southern Paladins, Paladin Taggerdy, Riders of Rohan, Riders of the Mark, Suppressor Skyguard, Sworn Defender, Varchild's Crusader
>>96485888>options so bad he just wants keyword soup
>4 mana 4/4 keyword soup>pseudo 6/6>draw engine in the command zone>wincon in the command zone>cute girl artwork>more unpopular than even Lootwhy does nobody like her?
>>96485827What are some of those cards in grixis?Obviously imprison but what else?
>>96485922she sucks
>>96485922HmmmMaybe I'll try to build her
>>96485923Learn how to use scryfall UBTourist.
>>96485934I didnt find anything in red or blackJust sounds like you are being the worst combination of pompous and wrong
>>96485922>4 drop>protection is a meme>"draw engine">"wincon"lmao dude you're so bad if you think she's good. worse than sw*rdbitch levels of bad.
>>96485941Damn bro that sucks for you cause this is the main form of removal i use in my grixis deck and i have around 12 options. I think the UBTourist just doesnt know the card pool very well or how to use the resources available to find them
>>96485947>game with 40,000 individual cards>if you don't know these ultra specific non-standard removal pieces in each color you're a UBtouristGod I hate modern children, none of you have the self-awareness to speak to me.
>>96485950Run along now tourist and play with scryfall til you find them. Little protip! Blue has more of these effects than any other color so if you can only find 2 in grixis youre actually retarded.
>>96485947>i run 12 sorcery speed targeted psudo removal spellsThat list sounds trash and also 1000% doesnt exist
>>96485956My pod is incredibly commander dependent. These are by far the best form of removal for those kinds of decks, if it stays on for 2 turns (commander tax) its done the same as removal, and any longer than that is pure upside. Not to mention quite a few of the options in question are not limited to sorcery speed ;) learn the card pool UBTourist
>>96485969No it isnt, because they dont existNeither do these cards or your deckL M A O
>>96485975Sure thing UBTourist. Not naming any cards for you ;)
>no one mentioned Amphibian Downpour
>>96486009literally not a card
>>96485947Dawg, idk how much you are stretching the definition but black maybe has a sudden spoiling or two, not even the same card but w/e and red has nothing. And you are 100% not playing vraska, that literally does the opposite of what you are looking for
>>96485923Here, this site will help.It's not perfect but it will give you a good idea of what phrases to searchhttps://www.mtgassist.com/search.php?similar_to=Imprisoned%20in%20the%20Moon&results_number=0
>>96486012what>>96485909>focus on a tribe that likes to attack>commander makes aggro tokens>not wanting keywordswhat?
>>96485969I take it backI found emDamn there are actually a lot. Thanks anon
>>96486064>didnt read the chain>responds anywayYou literally are the worst poster here
>>96486082>didn't read the chainthere's like... 3 posts in that chain anon. Someone mentioned no one commenting on Amphibian Downpour, to which someone called it "literally not a card". I provided that it is a card, nothing more. What drugs are you on?
>>96485922believe it or not, people sometimes want a challenge building and piloting a deck, rather than relying on goodstuff.slpnot that Temur Loot is either of that, but i guess he is more popular, because exile value is popular, and he has that very mild multi type puzzle to work with, that tickles the Temur Brains out there juuuust enough to be compelling and proud of (my Solemn Simulacrum counts both as a creature AND an artifact!!! :OOO)
>>96486096You are correct in you assessment but still someone failed to notice the post you replied to was mocking my post
>>96485982Again I want to say thanks for putting me down this path I feel like I finally have some tuck replacements
>>96486116>cape attached to pectoral ring piercingsOld magic was in a league of edge all its own
>>96486120Oh no, i'm retardedfuk..>>96486116I don't know if you're being ironic, but doesn't Maraxus only count Artifact Creatures once?
>>96485520ANSWER ME
>>96486009How does the timing of this work with equipment? Lets say someone has a darksteel plate equiped I imagine it loses indestructibility
>>96486174Discovery is 89% of the funI wouldnt want to take that from you
>>96486129i've never even noticed that, holy shit
>>96486174Seems like you're going wide and being aggressive. Take your pick of the colors, and make sure you have some low end stuff you don't mind bouncing back for the Web-slinging cost.
>>96486184>>96486204My "discovery" lead me to a basic Human tribal, so I'm looking around to see whether other people had different ideas.
>first EDH game in like 5 years>last game was played with cards no older than 2017, mostly from Scars of Morrison block >make Alania Otter/spellslinger deck>have the Outlaws of thunder junction Efreet that lets me copy my spells copies and copy my “whenever an instant or sorcery causes a trigger” >cast a brainstorm and copy it three times, giving all my shit prowess twice, and pumping them +4/+4 thanks to having two valley flood callers >get overwhelmed and mentally drained from all this shit I think I’m gonna build a cheap tier 2 mono green Yeva. My INFJ brain cannot comprehend the high INTJ IQ required to manage all these triggers. Left early anyway cause I had dance class. Other players tell me that she’s really powerful, but I might just take her out or rework the deck with less otters and more generic Instants and sorceries and prowess Also>australian lands player with a George Michael cross earring (singular) corrected me when I called the Efreet a she instead of a they
>>96486149oh boy>reading comprehensionMaraxus was more of an Example for the first line, the second line is about another commander
>>96486215Since you basically don't have a working brain I recommend checking out edhrec.
>>96486216>scars of Morrison Scars of Mirrodin*
>opponent swinging an unblockable 21/5 sol’kanar at me>sphinx rev for 7 leaving a mana open to try to spin up a swords>check my hand again>nothing, except for the cyclonic rift Ive had since my opening sevenFUCK
>>96486220Hurtful. I will.
>>96486216the last 3 years or so, they really pumped up all the booking style effects and commanders, all shit that should have stayed in a digital game. Izzet is especially bad with this, picrel is also infamously sucky to play against, watching the player struggle to count all the Prowess and Prowess Prowess triggers again and again each round
>>96486237>booking stylebookkeeping*
>>96486225shoudda woudda coudda mulligan'd, mullicunt
>>96484847You may get your wish if last year's product surveys are any indication
>>96486216You can at least feel vindicated that according to the wiki, pulling from the introduction to many of the legendary creatures from Strixhaven, Veyran is referred to as she/her.
>>96486225>not rev for 6???
>>96486269Ye or just overload it but I fukkin goofed
>>96486216Get a spindown dice for prowess triggers, and another spindown for storm count. Actually uptick them as you cast spells. Then it's very easy!
>>96486237>>96486241Do niggas not use d6 dice to track this shit? It's simple shit. Cast spell, uptick all d6 dice +1 or +2 accordingly.
>>96486308Having recently begun to play izzet, I can say that between prowess, Balmor, storm count, treasure tokens, +1+1 counters, cards drawn this turn, floating mana, and other miscellaneous triggers it's very easy to run out of dice.
>>96486308We did, but the issue arose when determining if the copies counted as casts and other non-prowess triggers like pic rel and the Efreets personal trigger. I also had token copies of the otters that pumped otters and/or had prowess thanks to Alania’s effect which also could trigger a total of 9 times thanks to the copy being copied by the Efreet (three instants, three sorceries, and three otters) It was super overwhelming for my first game and I realized quickly that having both alania and the Efreet was a mistake for everyone. I gave most of the extra “gift” cards from alania to the girl who explained it to me and the cloud pre on player cause he kept getting his big equipped creatures qioed by my triple burn spells and bounces (I bounced 6 creatures with Calamitous Floodtide at instant speed thanks to pic rel) This otter seems really really strong as he can cheat in surprise sorceries and artifacts, get copied, gives another prowess trigger, and turns my spells into combat tricks. I was waiting to instant speed mizzium mortars for like 12 but I had an appointment and I didn’t want to wait another 10 minutes for the Aussie to play his 6 lands, draw a card for each one he played, and do nothing but make elemental tokens (he discarded 5 cards one turn cause he had too many) If I copy a spell, that’s not a cast right? I don’t get double prowess from a hard cast a copy? We did use a spin die and it helped but I felt like my prowess Lightshell Duo had way more that +4/+4 after I played 4 instant/sorceries, copied 2 of them twice (8 in total) plus the trigger of pic rel (twice cause I make a token copy with Alania) AND the Efreet copying the prowess/pic rel trigger I really think I could’ve wipe d them all with mizzium mortars, then swing in with some 16/16 otters if I had a few more islands. I got mountain flooded.
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>>96486338Kek? You serious? Like these fucking things are sold at all lgs stores and having 2 should be all you need for even the craziest of games.
>>96486381copies of spells are not cast. Aka, if you fork a spell, the copy is just put on the stack and isnt cast. Copies of cards put on the stack are cast. Such as using isochron scepter.MTG is very literal, it will explicitly say if you are "casting".Veyran, and anyone with magecraft, dont care about the distinction. Hence why magecraft says when you "COPY or CAST"Player A casts Bolt, you cast Fork on their bolt. Veyran sees both you casting the fork for a trigger, and also sees the fork resolving and putting a copy of bolt on the stack for a trigger.Veyran will also double her triggers. so in this above scenario Veyran get +2/+2 for casting fork, and then an additional +2/+2 for copying bolt.
>>96485386Rendmaw. Seems like it has the potential to really change the game up
>>96486429>tfw you play Slivers with the whole gang in the deck>tfw regularly run out of dice due to LegionAnd before anyone says it, I don't give a fuck if slivers are bad, or weak, or toxic, or whatever else. I have fun playing them.
>>96486457you rock those slivers anon.
>>96486457>he needs dice to track a coat of arms effect Really? You just count how many slivers you have and subtract 1 and thats how much power/toughness each sliver has.
>>96486481With just Legion, sure, but when I have a bunch of others like Muscle who also throw more counters into the mix (as well as opponents trying to weaken my stuff), I like to use dice to keep track.
>>96486488Given that slivers all effect each slivers you should only need a few dice to track the pluses on each creature. Unless you only have like 5 dice with you I don't know how you run out of dice. That is unless you are mathematically illiterate.
>>96485225Bad decks don't get popular on EDHREC, simple as. Maybe once in a blue moon something is higher in the rankings than it should be just by virtue of being novel or unique, but do you really expect me to accept that the top monored commanders are more popular than their other color equivalents by thousands just because you subjectively say they're "fun"?
>>96486415This guy seems pretty good Commons and uncommoms really are the souls of the game. There’s no pressure to make anything grand or flashy. Just world building and freedom for artists to depict it without the pressure of it being a big-wig legend. I miss how core sets had so much classic high-fantasy. I
>>96483836>tfw only commander in pic is Marrow-GnawerI built him right as EDH started kicking off because I had him from kamigawa, and he's still fun
>>96483836Surprised Urza isn't the top mono commander desu
>>96484875There will definitely be an Elder Scrolls UB set anon. A full setIt's the unannounced UB property I am most confident about, over 80%. They've already worked with Bethesda/Microsoft and it is free money for the latter, plus generates hype for Elder Scrolls 6
>>96486649As much as people say the decks on EDHREC aren't real and they're just people experimenting, I think there's something to be said for budget.The best thing red has going for it is that it's an extremely budget color and there's only a few staples for red decks that get to $40. Urza artifact slop will run you hundreds of dollars easily.
Red is the weakest color in what I would describe as "ordinary casual" commander. It is powerful in cedh because of its ability to turbo combo, and okay in true random pile of cards games, but it fails in the middle of the range. Commander inherently weakens Red's aggressive potential because lifetotals were set too high, which means that every game is about ramping, drawing cards/generating resources, or combo. Everything else is horrible. Red has bad ramp, weird card draw that doesn't work right, and removal that fails to kill most important things because it's balanced for magic in general.
>>96486667>lifetotals were set too highFuck off ritualposter
>>96486656>"humorous" custom card
>>96486656>0 toughness>play it>dies with no opportunity to activate his ability
>>96486673It is correct. Most magic cards were balanced around 20 life, and that's still true for in general. That means that a ton of strategies are just not viable with 40 starting life and 3 other opponents. Commander damage isn't actually a fix. 25 or 30 life would work much better. I'd actually set it at 20 but it would make too many people mad.
I'm having a hard time adapting to the format as it's become.
>>96486661Urza is fun to play, I love my artifact slop. Poorfags get the rope.
>>96486579fuck yeah, that Artwork makes me wanna build some Voltron shit
>>96486683>most cards were balanced around 20 life totalAnd having one opponent lowering it, not three. If anything 40 isnt high enough. You are low IQ
>>96486693I'm having a hard time because my opponents keep using coomer proxies, knowing full well they distract me
>>96486683>Most magic cards were balanced around 20 lifeThey were also balanced around only having 1 opponent.>a ton of strategies are just not viable with 40 starting life and 3 other opponentsThe fact you think it's a 1v3 format and not a 1v1v1v1 is so telling>I'd actually set it at 20 but it would make too many people mad.Yeah, when Standard games are commonly over by turn 3 or 4, what could possibly fucking go wrong?Your head has dents in it, sir.
>>96486721You’re a very stupid person and bad at magic. The designers of the format set lifetotals at 40 specifically to make after impossible so people could play huge later game cards. That’s why it was called Elder Dragon Highlander. They succeeded, aggro is horrible and not remotely viable in EDH
>>96486727>using coomer proxies is akin to sexy spray paint in counter strike
Will the autists at my LGS refuse to play if I want this lamb as my commander?It's card draw, minor life gain, and has a second "life" in the command zone. It might be broken but I'm not sure.
>>96486177It would lose indestructible until you equipped darksteel plate to something else than re-equipped since timestamp
>>96486734>they set life to 40>thats why its called EDHYou have absolutely no idea what youre talking about. Aggro has always been viable even in cedh.
>>96486656They should give us a full standard/edh legal MLP set. Imagine the shitstorm it would cause.
Yeah sorry you guys clearly don’t understand what is actually good in commander or how it works. I started playing a lot of cedh since I’m a spike and honestly combo is the only viable strategy. Resource generating soup with combo and more all in combo are the archetypes. Everything else is bad. The principles that cause that to be the case remain in more casual commander but the decks are weaker
>>96486744I agree but partially because I am a ponyfag and have been since I was a little girl. They won’t though
>>96486683>what is commander damage??????
>>96486667I think giving red more goad and Assault Suit style cards like Slicer and Alexios is the right call to simultaneously keep aggro alive while staying in red's color pie at least for non-cEDH.
>>96486750>since I was a little girl.*boyYou will never ben an alicorn
>>96486738It's not broken, it's just tacky
>>96486746Combo isnt even the only viable strategy in cedh you gigatard
>>96486746any one else just hearing faint fart noises when reading this shit?
>>96486764It basically is. That’s the win condition. Some decks generate a lot of resources first using partner since it’s broken but others are more all in. Edhfags cope more than anyone else sadly
>>96486750>WOTC is owned by Hasbro>Hasbro loves sucking money out of things when they're desperate>Hasbro (presumably) knows MLP has a huge adult male autismo followingNever say never. I am willing to bet we'll get some goofy anime or MLP crossover at some point.
>>96486772>it basically isSo it isnt is what you are saying, which I dont need you fo agree with as I too play cedh, I attend tournaments whenever I can. Additionally it literally is an irrelevant statement when most games arent 4 combo players>b-bb-but I think its the best!You'll very quickly get aggro'd out if you bring a casual combo deck to a casual table with non combo players
>>96486764The only deck I can think of that isnt combo is edric and even that plays combos
>>96486777We've already had MLP cards anon
>>96486772>>96486746>running a two card combo, or even multiple ones, and dedicating the rest of the 97 to finding and protecting yourself and your wincon is clearly the single best and maybe even sole S Tier strategy, why wont ANYONE in here understand this but me?Everyone understands this very basic principle, you sad mongoloid no games larping as a "mfw too intelligent".we need a containment board and a whole official containment format for these drooling cEDHtards thinking they bring anything of value into the discussion or any given table not filled with deranged sociopaths who take a causal format too serious.
>>96486841That's not a full set, and they're not legal. I'm saying they can print 100 or so MLP cards for a full set that are legal for play.
>lucky starting town pulled from play boosterWould it be overkill if I were to put it on 3-color deck with two 1-cost mono color spells?
>>96486884Playing UB is cringe.
>>96486884Why the fuck would it be? Are you retarded?
>>96486884>pedo game cardEwee
TVTH NVKE:If mill doesn't matter because "you might never have drawn those cards", then as long as I'm not playing anything that would cause cards to go to the top or bottom of my library, then I can shuffle my deck at any time, no?
>>96486847There are people denying combo is the only truly viable strategy right above you anon. This started because I said red/aggro is structurally weakened by the design of Edh, which is why red is bad outside of cedh.
>>96486738People barely agree on rules as is, just run it in the 99 instead of being a sperg
>>96486918>then I can shuffle my deck at any time, no?As long as you don't have anything manipulating your deck it actually doesn't matter statistically
>>96486884It's fine in a 3 color deck, but much like any of the other "any color" rocks/lands you pay life for (e.g. mana confluence), it really shines in 5 color. If you're running a 3 color deck, you're generally better off with a combo of Triomes and fetches.
>whenever a player loses the game from combat damage, each other player besides the one that dealt damage to them takes 10 damageWould this fix aggro in the format?
>>96486918>ACKSHUALLY IF I CAN'T BREAK THE RULES THEN MILL IS BAD>I AM VERY INTELLIGENT
>>96486970
>>96486963>what is commander damage?
>>96486991Commander damage has already proven far too weak to fix aggro. It just makes it easier to take out maybe one other player. If that. Starting life totals have to be lower, there is no other way
>>96486918Theres been plenty of times we have allowed a mid game shuffle if someone is bitching about lands
So double strike and doubling trigers does not work.. Are there any ways to combo with this card?
>>96487007Is half of a half = 0?
>>96487007>>96487007wound reflection
>>96487007>>96487015quarter pounder outselling the third pounder moment
>playgroup is dead after friend moved away and no one wants to play 3 person games>only lgs near me is filled with the whiniest fags alive who all just play ramp and combo and shit their pants in a rage if anyone interacts or attacksmaybe its time to just go back to playing draft once a week and forget about every other format for awhile...
>>96487015((x/2)/2) = x/4
Thoughts?
>>96485469Superior monoW commanders
>>96487075>get a board>cast a wrath>save your board>swing for gamesure, could be worse for RW
>>96487075seems like ok boardwipe protection/mass flicker
>>96487001>Starting life totals have to be lower, there is no other way>nooooo you don't understand!!!!! life totals have to be LOWER than lethal commander damage!!!!listen to yourself, sperg
>>96486970Why would it be against the rules to shuffle in situations where your deck order doesn't matter? Unless...
>>96487075It's decent damage anthem and protection/flixker if you have lots of dudes that aren't tokens. I run it in Ganax because flickering all my dragons in response to a board wipe is funny
>>96487105because it's an opportunity for you to illegally manipulate the top of your deck
>>96487105>401.2. Each library must be kept in a single face-down pile. Players can’t look at or change the order ofcards in a libraryMay I reiterate: >>96486970
>>96487075My pet tech for a decadeLove this guy
>>96487105NTA but because your opponent is allowed to check your deck for a shuffle/cut before match and if you shuffle randomly you could manipulate it in such a way to cheat.
ive run into players who proxied offcolor fetches and og duals into two color decks. like this is such a marginal improvement to your deck that i question why they bother making the inclusion at all. like is it just an autism thing that if you have an effect you MUST run the best in slot version of it? do you feel like your deck might lose if you didn't eek out that last bit of efficiency? it has almost no effect on the game whatsoever but everything about the decision behind it racks my brain.
>>96487075I forgot about that one, need to try this in Samut>>96487089It's also a very very telegraphed combat trick, if you can even call it that, that untaps your board after you fully swung
>>96487185i play fetches in my mono colour decks just because i have them
>>96487185There are two types of proxy users:>I just want to save money with all these $1-5 cards that go in every deck>I want to pubstomp people with the most powerful cards in MagicThere's no real middle ground.
>>96487216I also proxy things I don't want to have in a deck at the LGS like a khaladesh invention or expensive reserve list shit
>>96487075It would be really good if it sacced itself, as it is it's just kinda meh
>>96487243>Boros, world famous aristocrat sacrifice coloursthis is your brain on FIRE design
>>96487144>>96487166>>96487176In what way would it be illegal manipulation if I allowed you to cut again?
>>96487185Unless you're green in some way you're mostly at the whim of chance to what lands you have access to each game, so why wouldn't you give yourself "the best" lands to possibly draw into?It is a small min-max you can make to improve your deck ever so slightly. The core of the game depends on you playing lands in order to cast cards after all.If you're upset from a financial standpoint that they get to play with them and you don't, and you're feeling some sour grapes this isn't either of your faults and is entirely on WOTC's.They're all legal to play and you made the personal decision to opt out of them.
>>96487301t. cheater
Help! Whenever I try to build a new deck, I always just end up doing Storm! Anyone else with similar problems?
How fun is throwing d20 all game
>>96487301If nothing has effected the state of your deck(chaos warp or a tuck or manipulation) in a casual game it wouldn't matter.
>>96485368Depends on what their build looks like. For the most part I'm going to assume the deck is just weak and not bother touching it until treasures start happening.
>>96487286Are you schizophrenic?
>>96485386Not sure exactly. Finally found a mono green guy I like so now that I've settled on that I want to try another mono color. Something blue, black, or red.
>>96485922Because the other Eshki is far better.
>>96487458Nice, go for it. I prefer mono color, it just feels better to play.I have Dong Zhou and Alexios for red and Eluge for blue, thinking about building Yedora for green.No idea about white or black though, the new Gonti looks fun.
>>96486738It's not broken or anything but that's not the issue. It's also a legendary creature. But if you find a group and talk to them you may eventually convince someone.
>>96487007But it's a damage triggers this so double strike would have to work, wouldn't it?
>>96487470My wife is so pretty and won me 3 out of 4 games last night in a pod featuring Tifa, Jetmir and Teval. $60~ for the precon plus another $70~ in upgrades and 2 (two) proxies, and I can suddenly compete consistently against my tryhard friends' $4000+ decks. Luv her to bits.>>96485922She's in the 99 :]
>>96485922>winconkek
dragonstorm was such a nice little setI really hope lorwyn eclipsed has good legendaries
>>96487552It was a very good set. My only gripe was that limited needed a bit more balancing, kind of felt like a 2 deck format.
Reminder to buy your scrows now before they spike
>>96487494anon wants it to trigger twice and kill them not do 1/2 then 1/2 again
>>96487912Nice try scarecrows but you tried this shit in duskmorun and how did that go?
>>96483794>>96485689Oubliette as well. The premium ones that don't allow them to block sac are especially premium.
>>96487912What happened this time? What'd I miss
>>96487912Did something happen? I could use some new scarecrows for my Reaper King
>>96487483>ElugeI've considered this one. I liked the theme of flooding the other lands and it's slowly growing size along with it. Seems like it could be interesting take on blue.
>>96487952>>96487962I assume people think it'll become a thing with Lorwyn?
>>96487952>>96487962he's attempting to manifest more scarecrows for return to lorwyn
>>96487969He's fun, but draws a lot of aggro. Also makes turns take forever once you have enough flood counters to just cast every first spell each turn for free and have 10+ cards in your hand
>>96485818Even nonwhites know angleshooting is stupid. Ever played YuGiOh? Angleshooting is codified as against the rules and on top of that if you try it the black person you're playing against will punch you and steal your deck if you try it. It's enforcement at every level and legitimately somerhing that made the game infinitely more enjoyable.
Are there enough colorless and green stax pieces to make a mono green ramp/stax deck viable?
>>96487302>at the whim of chance to what lands you have access to each gameyeah and deckbuilding manipulates that chance and mulligans give you the ability to make it almost certain to get what you need> so why wouldn't you give yourself "the best" lands to possibly draw into?>They're all legal to play and you made the personal decision to opt out of thembecause i have the slightest amount of confidence that i can win games with anything less than the least optimal cards. in fact one of my main drives for playing this game is wondering how low can my card quality get and still win with. everyone already knows the optimal cards, and i don't see how anyone finds any interest from just copy-pasting them into every list. "doing the thing" has no meaning because any strategy works and wins if you just have overwhelming resource advantage over your opponents. the logic youre showing here just leads to cedh, which is a boring, homogeneous play environment.
>>96485386Either this Sephiroth or Jenova. I really like the idea of non-standard self sacrifice effects that aren't just playing into more of the same Blood Artist Zulaport Cutthroat stuff I've done a thousand times before.
>>96488009Yes.
>>96487978Commendable. I've wanted the same for scarecrows/skeletons for too long
>>96487994As a long time Yugioh player: lol lmao. Bl*cks were the worst people to play against because they'd try to angle shoot at fucking locals of all places and would without fail attempt to take the round to time by slow playing. At high level tournaments they were always the ones who would propose intentional draws for tiebreaker manipulation even though IDs were against the rules. They'd also constantly "misplay" or accidentally play extra playsets of power cards until you caught them. They're exactly the type of people who would sit down for a commander game, hear that we're playing at bracket 2, and then get pissy when people ask them why they have a Rhystic in their deck when they stack it to the top to see it as early as possible. >*sucks teeth* man yall never said I couldn't play ryssic man just play it out muhfuggaAnd that's if they even showed up to a casual game without it being a money match.
>>96488093I have literally never seen this behavior from a black person a single time when playing YuGiOh, yet people trying to angleshoot in Magic and do shit like hide what they tutored as far back as Urza block is a large part of why I stopped playing Magic for a long time.YuGiOh makes it exceptionally clear through both tournament policy and player mentality that angleshooting isn't acceptable because it gets in the way of actually playing the game because it forces you to babysit your opponent.
>>96487286Buddy I need to know what the FUCK you are talking about.
>>96488153>I have literally never seen this behavior from a black person a single time when playing YuGiOhYeah no duh, he's just a racist piece of shit doing racist things.
>>96488197The people around me constantly doing this is part of why I became as racist as I am. Seeing deadbeat drug dealers attempting to hustle for worthless packs of cards while everyone else was just trying to relax with a game after work was eye opening.
>>96488197I added that qualifier because I've seen the behavior from (fat, white) ex-Magic players where they try to angleshoot constantly and after their third PE they get baffled that the judge issued a loss because they're used to getting away with it in Magic.
>>96488218>I've only seen the worst of people so I assume they're all like thatCool story, bro
>>96485386Kraven the hunter. Fuck weak-ass players not wanting to start shit, we're committing crimes and starting fight
>>96488219Angle shooting is endemic in Magic "pro" circles for sure. Those people cheat and angle shoot literally all the time. But trying to bring up Yugioh like it's a clean game where the rules saying you can't be a scumbag means no one is ever a scumbag is laughable.
>>96488009Winter orb, static orb, trinisphere, pass
>>96488240Maybe try playing in-person instead of on Duelingbook.
>>96488228Your pet chimps don't respect you by the way.
like, the past four threads have just been>YGO YGO YGO YGOjesus
>>96488273It's imploding at the moment.
>>96488273>We should improve the game by following the example of competitors that improved aspects of it>NO! MAGIC IS THE BEST! ALL OTHER GAMES ARE SHIT AND HAVE NO REDEEMING QUALITIES! THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON ANYONE GOES TO OTHER GAMES!>NO ACTUALLY THE COMPETITORS ARE THE BEST GAMES EVER! THEY DO EVERYTHING BETTER THAN MAGIC WHICH IS WHY I CAME TO THE MAGIC THREAD!and this is why card games haven't ever improved.
>>96488276Is it? Is it Master Duel usurping paper play? Actually on that note, why the fuck does Magic not have a good simulator yet? With how massive Master Duel got I'd have thought they'd have made something workable by now. Are they just afraid of losing out on Arena? They don't see the potential adapting Master Duel's monetization could have in the long term?
>>96488327WotC is greedy as shit and won't put more than the bare minimum into developing digital clients. They even did this with D&D>Entire system for 4e digital client was being made by one dude and the whole plan went kaput when he decided to become an IRL murderhobo>They tried again with a 5e digital client and they somehow managed to make a tabletop client that had performance issues for anyone not using SotA hardwareUnironically if they don't succeed with the bare fucking minimum they give up. Which says a lot about MtG having two clients and working on a third.
>>96488327The whole product line is in a pretty steep decline since competitors are actually giving players things they want instead of milking them and providing a good play experience instead of the cock and ball torture that is Yugioh's modern design. The TCG side has gotten awful policy changes that no one wants at a time when the game can't really afford to make players angry due to weak sales and low enthusiasm. They killed off past format play which was the only positive development they had in the physical scene with boomers by changing how they work entirely, ruining the purpose of the formats and making no one want to go to official tournaments. Just this week they changed tournament policy to make advanced format (the cold fusion solitaire nightmare game) result in a double loss for any match that reaches the time limit in a round even if one player is up a game. Tournaments also now only cut to top 8 no matter how large the attendance is while adding extra rounds of Swiss. So competitive grinders, the only people who would ride or die for the game, are mad too. Collectors are perpetually pissed because Konami keeps fleecing them with supposed collectable cards that get mass reprinted in the same rarity less than a year later. Stores are pissed because boxes are trash and never sell. Casuals are mad because they mostly stopped making structure decks (precons) which means no one has guaranteed products to buy and play with. Master Duel players are pissed because every viable archetype is printed at full max rarity now. As bad as you think WotC is, Konami is worse.
>>96485818>Uhm, acksually black doesn't get shuff-Holy fuck why are you so fucking stupid?>Yeah it's fine when proactive cards break out of the color pie constantly in order to powercreep, but lord forbid removal evolve to match
>tell coworker who invited me to a nearby LGS to learn Commander when I first started working there that I used to play YGO competitively in my late teens >he tells me he'd love to learn to play it but his knowledge amounts to owning the OG Kaiba deck 20 years ago>last month I showed up with 2 of the latest structure decks (Traptrix and BE)>"hey, wanna play?">crack them open and have a blast teaching him the basics before having a few really fun matches before swapping decks and doing it again>one of our buddies sees this and wants in so he runs to the counter and buys another SD>I spend another hour teaching him and playing a couple of times with him too>after that we move on and join the rest of our buddies in playing Magic for the rest of the evening>nobody rages or gets salty and we all go home tired, stress-free and happyI like card games and fun times after work with my friends. Do you guys play in the same LGS always or do you like switching things up?
>>96488417>competitors are actually giving players things they want instead of milking themOkay which ones? Magic isn't doing this.>They killed off past format play which was the only positive development they had in the physical sceneThis wasn't a supported format to begin with. People are mad that the new support that previously did not exist operates under current rules instead of past ones. Even Premodern in MtG follows this principle instead of using damage on the stack.>Just this week they changed tournament policy to make advanced format (the cold fusion solitaire nightmare game)Oh never mind you're one of those clowns that plays goat format rofl.
>>96488468>Do you guys play in the same LGS always or do you like switching things up?I have one that has commander on wednesdays usually and another on fridays. i used to do both which was great but work makes the wednesday one real tough to get to so i havent been there often, but the times i do get to go always feel worth it because the folks are great there. variety is good.
>buy three packs (~26 store credit)>Crack roaming throne>~20 bucks gained in store credit Its that simple fellas. Just stop getting shit pulls.
>pubstomper sees deck I commonly run>bait him that its low since he always beats it>get a sol ring in my opening hand with return the favor and counterspell>pub stomp with tellah great sage by doubling his damage trigger with return the favor>he crashes the fuck out and goes schizo muttering>counter his commander for no reason other than to bully him
>>96488504>(gay politics caused by me being unable to use my words)Waste of a post
>>96488417Konami isn't anywhere near as bad as Wizards. If you're a player instead of an investor then Konam's reprint quantity means cards will eventually get to you. Even the most expensive shit. The tournament policy changes are shit though I'll completely give you that. No one likes them and I have no idea why they thought that was a good idea. From the tournaments I've gone to I know this shit takes hours so I get them wanting to cut down on time just a little at least but fuck, there must have been a better way to go about it than what they did. Alternative Yu-Gi-Oh formats were shit anyway so there's no loss there.
>>96488485>which onesMagic is actually peeling people slightly since Commander is the casual game mode Yugioh completely lacks. Final Fantasy had a lot of pull in weeb world. But One Piece is the real competitor. It's eating Yugioh's lunch in both Japan and the US. Lorcana and Pokemon also have pull depending on the area. Competitive players who want prizes move towards Pokemon and One Piece, casuals who just want to hang out tend to gravitate towards commander tables, at least in my area.>wasn't a supported formatTime Wizard was an officially supported format that saw a massive draw of lapsed fans towards major events and locals that hosted. But maybe the Ultimate Time Wizard tournaments I went to and LADD prize playmats I saw were all just a dream. >*incoherent shit flinging*Calling me a goat player (fuck you HAT is the best format) doesn't change the reality of the new time rules somehow being worse than the already terrible ones. Double losses in a game that routinely goes to time under a normal pace of play is unreasonable. Game design needs to change before this type of rule can ever be healthy. This would be like capping cEDH games to 1 hour time limits with a full table loss if the game hasn't been fully won by one player. It's just not how the format operates due to the game's design.
>>96488548>Time Wizard player copiumDidn't read.
>>96488525The reprint policy is shit and a part of why Konami gets away with predatory short supply of playables on their first print. Budget players will eventually get access to cards a year later when better cards have been printed just in time for the reprints to get banned or limited. And fuck stores who weren't able to sell their stock of sets that got their chase card reprinted. They might as well shred that cardboard into bird cage liner since there's no value in it otherwise.
Reminder this argument started because someone unironically wanted to argue angleshooting was actually a good part of Magic.
>>96488589>Uhm, acksually it's better if the card never gets reprinted instead of being printed a year laterThis is some real massive WotC-sponsored cope.
>>96488589We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one I think. The reprint policy is the one thing I think Konami gets right above all else. Nothing gets worse than how Magic handles it. I don't like a lot of what else Konami does but the reprint thing and Master Duel existing is something they undoubtedly get right.
>>96488494remember when we thought throne and this were the posterchilds of powercreep?
>>96487952Investard went hard for Duskmourn and is now trying to dump bags
>>96488624I always forget this thing not only has good stats and keywords but it even makes things depending on what it exiles. What a card.
>>96488009winter plus wilderness reclamation theres also a few random stax pieces that are mono green as well
>>96488624I cracked two of these as well B) got a grand in store credit just sitting on my desk I need to go turn in but I just bring cards when I need to re-up. Thankfully this is still like 20 bucks in leafland
>>96488608Knowingly shorting the only playable cards in a set to give otherwise valueless core sets a selling point (instead of making sets actually interesting or playable) because you have them lined up for mass reprint later is much worse than the current WotC model of theoretically draftable sets having more value in its set identity than just the only playable eternal format staple that can be rewaved as long as the boxes have people opening them. Mythics that see play in every format pumping to $40+ occasionally is routine and planned in Yugioh's core set model but those are the only cards worth pulling. Chase mythics are still a problem but they're not nearly as bad as the staple price rollercoaster Yugioh experiences.
>>96487940They made 3 uncommons and a lord for bugs? It wasn't exactly a big tribal push
>>96488624Remember Inti?
>>96488635>Buy my stock while it's cheap instead of a potential spike laterWhat sense would it make to remind you now?
>>96488009Smokestacks + tokens is always a favorite
>>96487978I'm willing to bet there's going to be a lorewyn and a shadowmoor commander decks with a not insignificant amount of scarecrows in the shadowmoor deck
>>96488624I've never seen that dragon used as an example of powercreep
>>96488624Memba when phyrexian mana was the worst thing ever?
>>96486963Aggro is fine dummies just don't know how to build it
>>96487007Literally dozens
>>96488763Those were such innocent times. Infect is still a cunt of a mechanic though
>>96488799Unless you're going the Prologue to Phyresis -> mass Proliferate route, Infect is easy as fuck to counter. Plus the moment you get one person above 5 counters the whole table is gonna get spooked and gg it's now 3 vs 1. You're not winning that.
>>96485922Because she's a strictly worse version of Eshki TR and is a 99 card at best.
>>96488799>Infect is still a cunt of a mechanic thoughJust started playing this year, hm? I remember being new, too
>>96488589>well you see, YGO scalpers only get roughly a year to fleece pubstompers and impatient Timmies out of their money with newer cards before they start reprinting to make the card more accessible so there's really no point in the first place and they should be like WOTC where they rarely reprint good cards in order to artificially inflate the secondary market and to use as crutch cards in mediocre sets they know would never sell otherwise
>>96488624This wasn't even that good back then
>>96488666>WotC tells you the draft chaff is a good thing and you believe them
>>96488017>deckbuilding manipulates that chanceYeah and that's exactly what they're doing. They're deckbuilding to the best of their ability by including good cards.>Because I have the slightest amount of confidence that I can win games with anything less than than that least optimal cards.WOW YOU'RE SO COOL AND EPIC ANON I bet everyone is so impressed with your ability to win with a slightly less optimal landbase. Does your family put your cool and epic decklists up on the fridge and everyone claps when you walk into the room because our hero didn't put some fetchlands in their deck. You're so amazing anon!Quit sucking your own cock faggot, they're all fair game to play and you're not some how better than others if you decide not to play certain card in the fucking landbase of all thing. You have an objectively worse landbase for one reason or another, likely because you can't afford it or are too lazy to proxy it, and you're needing to compensate for that by huffing your own farts of how you don't need it and whatever other reason you don't want those sour grapes.Nobody in any level of game is going to give a fuck that you're playing some fetchlands except for people that have that cope going on. And a deck doesn't suddenly become a cEDH deck by those lands alone. It's more often basically everything but the lands.
>>96485922I built her but got annoyed by how often I'd end up with all creatures or all spells or no adventures for more than a few turns. The keyword soup is alright at making her not shit if she's not popping off but it's actually a lot more annoying to get her trigger than you'd think for how underwhelming it is. Temur's Roar is less cute but only needing to cast big creatures is a lot easier than the adventure or double spell dance normal Eshki requires. Also the base art is cuter. I love Tran Nguyen's art. Ondu Spiritdancer, Cut Short, and especially her Ruinous Ultimatum are some of my favorite modern card arts. He turning Kefka into more of a basara figure than the weird clown he is on his precon art was pretty inspired.
>>96485922she cute let me guess a tranny
>>96488982>you're not some how better than others if you decide not to play certain cardactually i am, saw it happen when dockside and jlo got banned, some guys got absolutely filtered and quit rather than adapt. people like you get filtered by ruination.
The correct answer to cards and their supply is that WOTC should take the same approach as Chang.>you go on website>every card is $2>they're always in stock>you can order them whenever>you can order ANY card, fuck the list>to keep things spicy, shit like foils, extended art, alt art, etc are a rare chance each time you order (e.g. 50% chance for a foil, 10% for a special foil, etc)
>>96489024>order card>get some sparkly shit versionI'd rather just get exactly what I ordered.
>>96489039>he doesn't have a full deck of super curled foils>he doesn't store his deck in a pringles can
>>96488685That's my point. People were hyping scarecrows back in duskmourn and it turned out to be nothing.
>>96485818but kamahl can do that inheritly so isn't he always bracket 4??
>>96489012You ok m8?
play it, it's hilarious
>>96489018Are we talking about Dockside extortionist or anything of the caliber to get banned? Those are completely separate from a land base too.
>>96489079Can't, anything above 3cmc is awful to play in my group because everyone runs like 20+ removal cards. The only way commanders even stick around longer than 1 turn cycle is when everyone's cards are all spent on like turn fucking 9 or something awful like that
>>96488932Yugioh scalpers don't exist. There is basically zero money to be made there unless you're one of the couple of mass case openers (Gamers Choice, TierZero) who can make a viable margin off opening hundreds of cases of product to piece out and sell to players as singles because opening product on a small scale isn't worth it. When cards get to ridiculous prices it's because there's a huge demand from players. Supply is always going to be too low on purpose. This is how we get $1000 decks that last four months. The reprints exist as a release valve for a problem Konami itself creates and nothing else. Imagine WotC having sales data for a test region well ahead of a set's full release. Cards like Stock Up at uncommon that end up as huge staple cards for a few formats get bumped up to mythic because they know players want the card. All of the playables in common and uncommon get bumped to rare or mythic and the standout rares get bumped to mythic. The mythic pool is so large you're almost guaranteed to not get a single copy of the only cards you want even if you open a full set box. Also there are no showcases or full arts. And mythics are foil only. And the initial wave of set boxes is the only wave that box ever gets. Is the low supply not even coming close to meeting demand scalping? Is it really a good thing if this model relies on a yearly Masters set to get more copies in circulation?
Ban all staple cards.
>>96489099theyre all just cards you run to make your deck better
>>96489079>goaded tokensHoly shit I love goad. People always talk about how Eldrazi or whatever else makes you the archenemy of the table, but they've clearly never seen someone who shits goad out.
Rebuilt an old favorite. Got the original in a deck exchange back during covid. The gimmick is that the deck is all permanent cards, so you always hit something.
>>96489115BRO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I NEED MY ARCANE SIGNET AND SOL RING
Does anyone have that one Varchild image?
>>96489079>only have 2 other friends that play commander>we all agree to never play goad cuz it's just 1v1 forced combat which sucks assGoddammit it sounds so interesting, too
>>96489079Best commander design in years, unironically. Forcing people to make decisions, even minor ones, every turn is peak gameplay. It's so good at pissing the table off enough for minor hurt feelings but without the lightning rod effect that goading their largest creature causes. Since you're forcing the opponent to make decisions with cards they got for free it's kind of difficult for them to get mad at you.
>>96489112>everyone runs like 20+ removal cardsThat's obscene. What the hell happened for everyone in your group to build their decks like this?
>guy with like 12 mana on turn 3 says my deck is unfun because i doombladed his commander (magda)I hate my lgs
>>96489112>>96489165>20+ removalThe fuck? I thought the usual was like 5 at max.
>>96489165>>96489173Extremely stupid, extremely over-sensitive, trigger-happy threat assessment? Literally the SECOND a commander drops people are knee-jerk tapping lands for their instant removal. Which naturally makes our games last 2-3 hours each. I've tried talking to people but everyone's like "no their commander is scary I don't want to lose"
>>96489115Ban infinite combos instead. If there were a hard "no spell/card effect may be cast/activated more than 3 times in a turn", a good amount of this game's problems would be solved. GCs and banlists can be easily adjusted accordingly to whatever is still too powerful. If you have a problem with this, you are part of the problem.
>>96489193>NOOOO YOU GOTTA LET ME PLAY MY TIMMY DECKKK STOP RUINING MY FUN
>>96489183>Which naturally makes our games last 2-3 hours each.Yeah that's what I thought would end up happening. The group sounds like a shit mess to play with man. What the fuck turns people into this? No one does gets to do anything if everyone builds like this. It may genuinely be one of the worst group states I could imagine happening.
Damn yall play in terrible pods
>>96489116And you can make no distinction between those types of cards? No nuance or anything?
>>96489249No choice, closest LGS is like 35 min away, and the last two times we went it was filled with the most tryhard losers running $1k+ decks playing cEDH only. We swore off ever going there again
>>96489222>NOOOO YOU GOTTA LET ME PLAY SOLITARE FOR 15 MINUTES EACH TURN STOP RUINING MY FUN!!!!See?
>>964891735 is kind of low unless you're playing a deck you know will make you the archenemy. Most of my Gruul decks play 6-10 pieces of removal but most of them are flexible artifact/enchantment removal. Like in Roxanne I don't need to play a ton of single target removal since I know I'm going to be playing archenemy and I can always spend meteorite drops on creatures if I really need to. In Anzrag all I really need to do is remove enchantments like Oubliettes and Ghostly Prisons since I want creatures to stay on the board for me to punch over anyway. If I'm playing a spellslinger deck I want a ton of removal since the deck can't really do much else to progress the game except stop the opponent's progression. Even then 20+ is wild.
>>96489114WotC would NEVER rarity bump- ACK!
>>96489115>>96489129Finally. It's time to ban Island.
>>96489079>66 cards where the color identity ≤ BG and it’s legal in Commander and (the card types include “artifact creature” or the card types include “enchantment creature”) and the mana value < 2Shit this is extremely tempting, actually. I'm thinking like 50 creatures, 15 draw sources and just keep dropping 0-1 cost creatures every turn to flood the board
>>96489310Okay but do this every set with the only playable cards in every set, even ones that will only see experimentation. It's like if Duskmourn released and Withering Torment, Untimely Malfunction, and Sheltered by Ghosts saw play in the test region where they were originally uncommon so when we got the cards (that can't be played mixed with the test region's cards) those three were bumped to mythic.
>>96489114>Yugioh scalpers don't existYou have yet to prove this is a bad thing. You're like the pearl-clutching retard that said it was actually stores that got screwed over by the Mana Crypt ban.
>>96489331You mean like WotC will refuse to reprint common cards that turned out to be useful so that 10 years later they can reprint them at mythic? Man I'm so glad WotC does this instead of reprinting the mythic at common after a year.
>>96489332Core set design is so bad that even without scalpers the market is completely fucked. Supply of new playables is deliberately kept so low that boxes that have one good card can potentially have some lopsided value during the release window. If you haven't seen what modern Yugioh core sets look like you wouldn't understand. The only format that exists with new cards being usable has quality requirements that rival legacy. Imagine the entire product line being sold with worse than Spiderman power level sets and the only format they can be played in is Legacy, and the only couple of viable cards per set get bumped to mythic. The solvable problem would be in how core sets are designed and how power crept the format is but instead of solving that problem they play the FOMO game and fuck over everyone in the process. >>96489351Okay now do this for literally every card that's ever been playable. And when one slips through accidentally (Dinowreslter Pankratops), put it on the banlist regardless of its actual power level.
>>96489165nta but FIRE design. everything is a KOS these days and everyone plays the new hot auto include engines that fuel themselves and snowball out of control in one turn. some times even sooner
>>96489405>Imagine every card that's playable being reprinted after a yearGod I wish.
>>96489079Like the other anon said, this is the kind of commander that only works if you dedicate 10 slots of your deck to making it hexproof. He costs five fucking mana, is an artifact on top of a creature and without him your dekc is a pile of shitty dual type cards. He gets removed twice and you're out of the game. I wanted to make him work, but its just not worth it
>>96489405Do you live in a fantasy world WotC didn't start chasing Vintage powerlevel cards to appeal to commander?The strongest card in the game's history was printed in 2020 which puts Konami to shame because they're still mulling over Painful Choice being the best card in the game's history.>B-But those are outliers! Not the pattern!IT KEEPS FUCKING HAPPENING YOU APE. YOU DON'T GET TO SAY IT'S SYSTEMIC WITH KONAMI THEN PRETEND NADU, VIVI, THE ONE RING, AND THE PITCH ELEMENTALS WERE ALL OUTLIERS.
>>96489328You forgot aetherspark, grist, artifact lands, enchantment lands, tribal cards...
>>96489425>dedicate 10 slots of your deck to making it hexproofShit I have 12 sac outlets in Atla Palani and there are still games where I won't see any until like turn fucking 7. You need 15+ at least
>>96489447There's also Whip of Erebos and Bow of Nylea
>>96489416Problem. The reprints that are worth playing cost more than our playables. This little shit has three printing in one year, one of which came out a few days ago. All of them were printed to be the hardest card to pull in the set. They're mandatory in all competitive decks. There is no non-competitive format.
>>96489562Underground Sea price?
>>96489622If you have to compare the normal operations of a modern game to a mistake made thirty years ago that will never be replicated you might have lost the argument.
>>96489562Oh, phew. Good thing Magic has no absurdly expensive cards that go in a large number of decks and are artificially kept unobtainable.
>>96489631That "mistake" is still legal in Legacy, Vintage, and Commander. You can't have it both ways where YGO is bad because its top-level decks need a $40 card yet Magic has decks that need a $900 card and that's okay because I guess you can make your deck worse on purpose.
>>96489639Lorelet here, what is that flavour text referring to?
>>96489639Is Mox Opal always needed for every single deck from Standard up to Vintage?
>>96489655Oh right sorry we're talking about Standard which needs a $60 card because it's in a tier 0 meta.
>>96489655Please inform me why Mox Opal is over $100 if it's not because a large number of decks need it and the printings are kept artificially scarce.
>>96489667A Vivi Cauldron in a tier zero format costs $650. Most diverse Yugioh formats would consider a $400 deck budget. This is the format people are heralding as the cheapest format in years. Most of these decks won't last three months and the cards have no place to go if they're banned. If Vivi gets banned in Standard people will still want it for cEDH. >>96489678It's in formats WotC clearly doesn't care much about that are only really played on MODO.
>No, MY explotative billion-dollar company is better than your exploitative billion-dollar company!Jesus fucking christ the shills are unreal.
>>96489705>L-Legacy doesn't count!It's legal in Commander, the format WotC cares about the most. Try again.
>>96489705Man most companies wish they had shills as dedicated as you.>$900 card forces people to literally not play an entire format>"It doesn't count!"
Have a game tomorrow with the two guys who take almost 15 minutes on their turns. Wish me luck
>>96489705>LEAVE THE COMPANY ALONE!
>>96489714No one plays with real revised duals in commander unless they're showing off. You're expected to proxy these cards if you really want to use them in casual and a cEDH tournament that bans proxies would see no attendance.
QUICK! Post your favorite white card before the next thread.
>>96489059Aw come-on making a lorwyn set without scarecrows would be like making a new phyrexia set with only a handful of myr. Oh wait.
>>96489732ice age swords to plowshares
>>96489727WotC is far from perfect but anyone who says Konami is better in any way is fucking delusional.
>>96489729>Nobody ACTUALLY uses this $900 cardWhat value does it add to the format by remaining legal if every deck wants it but none can afford it?
>>96489732It's very funny how fast people get spooked when he arrives
Question. If you're playing a voltron/aggro deck with lots of mana rocks, how many Armageddon effects should you have in your deck to make it worth while? 1-2? More? WR so tutors are not an option.
>>96489741>LEAVE. THE. COMPANY. ALONE.
>>96489732
>>96489732everyone gets mad when i do though :(
>>96489741Oink! Oink! Little piggy! Slurp up that booster box! It might have another chase mythic that won't be reprinted for 10 years!
>>96489732I like soft stax. Sue me.
>>96489732Shame I barely use it anymore
>>96489654If there’s anything perfect the suns of mirrodin have shown on, it’s a mox—especially the mox opal, the symbol of affinity.
>>96489744It lets investors and collectors feel secure in their investment and sometimes show off if they feel like playing with them.
>>96489732she based
>>96489812One of my favorite things to do is play this, then play a card that makes each opponent sac a creature
>>96489819Oops. Posted the wrong version.
>>96489732i dont see it that much in the wild, it might be a bit underrated. You get to pick the best out of 5 cards and cast it for free later, and the requirement is stupid easy to reach, it essentially read "if you have 3 cratures, cast your Hideway. After that you can still use it as a steady source for +1/+1 counters. and this is just the baseline, it just gets better if your deck has more synergies with it
>>96489115nobut ban every land except basics.
>>96489732My special boy.
>>96489732Love this thing.
I can't believe this twink betrayed us...
>>96490093I like that edhyoutube is self-segregating into their own tranny ghetto so I know to ignore all of them
>>96485402Based>>96485487Relatable>>96485501Based>>96486444Rendmaw is very fun.>>96487458Do you have criteria for mono commanders you'll refuse?>>96488029I tried this Seph and it honestly wasn't fun but that's probably just me.>>96488238This feels really similar to bounty effects
>>96487185Yes anon, off color fetches are totally just barely usable with my commander. They absolutely do not net me two 3/3's.
>>96487357fun 50% of the time. The problem with gamble decks is you WILL lose from shit luck sometimes. If the forces of nature decided your rolls are going to be shit tonight then you're probably gonna lose even if you make all the great decisions and had your turn 1 sol ring into arcane signet.
>>96488153El Hermano?!?
>>96490148Wow anon what a worthwhile post im sure that the person you are replying to is only playing greensleeves. I bet there are no other commanders who would turn off color fetches from a marginal increase to something powerful.
>>96490141>Do you have criteria for mono commanders you'll refuse?Not exactly. I usually find myself leaning more towards combat focused stuff but I'm open to trying new styles.
>>96490172>Uh you see that narrow example isn't valid because...It's valid when the post is done in an absolutist way suggesting no genuine reason to use off fetches and immediately painting them as bad.
It begins
>>96490176I'm mainly checking to see if you're going to deny any suggestion that is UB. Because I think in mono red The Titanic is a very fun glass cannon. And JJ Jameson to me seems like he'll be pretty strong as well as a menace themed deck with treasure shit. Apothecary White is a fun white commander if you like tokens/humans. I also like Orvar in blue because he has a lot of options and you really can tailor him to either be very strong. Mine just clones bobbleheads.
Why is this an 0/2? The only thing I ever saw her in was the spiderverse film and she sure as fuck wasn't a character with zero offensive ability.
>>96490197What?
>>96488153Are people pretending angle shooting isn't a big thing in magic? A tournament was once lost because I guy dared tap his lands after he starts casting a spell. A guy lost once because he didn't say the full card name so his opponent used it to get the win. We had people a year ago trying to use that energy wheel as a free "draw whatever you want" because the text was wrong. And now in brackets you have people trying to mid-game DQ people from a pod because they decided that persons deck isn't part of the bracket for random reasons.Magic is angle shooting hell and I get very angry when people try it.
>>96490209Cause she cheats stuff into play so she needs to be weak
>>96489173You need a minimum of 10 dedicated removal. Anything less means you'll be unlikely to pull it during game and may as well run zero unless you're a tutorbitch.>>96489165WOTC doesn't have the balls/brains to create a functioning bracket system so you have fags showing up with decks full of FIRE design self enabling engines that accrue an obscene amount of value if allowed to sit on the field and technically the deck is le heckin bracket 2 because it doesn't have combos or game changers.
>>96490209dont you fucking dare asking questions like thatdid you preoder your boxes?
>>96490201>Orvar bobbleheadsThis sounds ridiculous. I think I like the sound of that. Always wanted to do something with those since they seem like they'd be good if you could ever get a critical mass of them. He's also in mono blue which means he gets access to Mechanized Production. Yeah I think this could be something interesting to try out. How does the deck usually play out? Are there that many instants and sorceries you can target your artifacts with to consistently make a bunch of bobble heads to do stuff with?
>>96490229Why not give her a different effect then? People who like UB like it because they want to see their favorite characters adapted to magic. Lady Ock does not at all represent the character it seems. This is the major failing of the set. Things are hap hazardly thrown on cards without actually caring about adapting the character. I'm sure someone will claim it is somehow always like that but compare Lady Ock to something like this. Which adapts the represented character infinitely better in every possible way and is a very good adaption.
>>96490244Because they didnt you asked why she's an 0/2 I don't care that you like the comic books and it just isnt right. Shes a 1 drop that cheats stuff into play so she is weak!
>>96490228Commander isn't a tournament format. There's no incentive to angle shoot the bracket system outside of being a supreme dick who wants to be spiteful. Especially since to do this you'd need to get two other people to go along with you for it to do anything. >uuum we agreed on bracket 2, why are you playing Crop Rotation?>we never said what bracket we're playing>yeah>yeahAnd then the conversation ends.
>>96490221The piles of jank you see before you are the unmodified starter decksI am going to test them a bit, make some adjustments with the final goal of having perfectly balanced decks to teach new players with
>>96490238NTA, but any instant or sorcery with buyback is very includable in Orvar
>>96490244The Doctor Who sets were insane for how much they let the cards do things to represent their in show abilities and stories. It's genuinely impressive. It really feels like the card designers were massive fans and let anything happen to make cool effects for the set. I don't even fucking like Doctor Who but the cards were great. Every other Universe Beyond feels like it's trying to stay within reason and only be marginally in theme at most.
>>96490287How the fuck was Job Select not also a Partner-like effect?
>>96490254You're a fuckin moron
>>96490292I have no idea. It was right there for them to build around but instead they decided to make a shitty For Mirrodin or Living Weapon for all things.
>>96490264>there's no reason toPeople like winning>b-b-but it's casualThis changes literally nothing at all.Also the last time someone tried to angleshoot me it was>play worldfire after suspended 3 turns>retard suddenly learns what worldfire does>immediately angrily scoops saying this isn't bracket 3 (no one stated it ever was)>everyone else also scoops now because they're really uncomfortable by what happened and would rather just cancel the game nowFuck bracket fags
>>96490302It's definitely a good version of Living Weapon (body stays after equipment unattaches), and an arguable better version of For Mirrodin (much more aggressively costed for the effect) but it wouldn't have been too much to write a rider so I can play Ninja Cloud
>>96490287Gavin is so much a fan he literally dresses in suits because of Doctor Who and took a trip to the UK just to see the Doctor Who experience thing there. It's probably the franchise he likes the most and he is one of the head designers of sets.
>>96490315I more so mean in trying to re-equip after you lose the token. All the Job Select cards have grossly over costed equipment costs it seemed while the living weapon stuff and For Mirrodin usually weren't costed that bad.
Want boros as my next commander. Should I go Arabella Abandoned Doll or Lightning Army of One?
>>96490327No way; Ninja, Blue and Black Mage, and Samurai are all very well-costed equip effects with great effects
>>96490336Fuck those shits, get you DA BURD and generate an army from one guy swinging
>>96490209Because beyond being a poor choice for a solo UB Spiderman is just not doing a good job trying to capture the flavor of the characters it's portraying. They are absolutely asleep at the wheel assuming this set will make bank and it shows. Even compared to previous UB sets it just sucks. Direct comparison to the last UB set Aerith's card is a white mage that cares about healing and since her death is a big story beat it powers up her allies when she dies. I have a completely secondary understanding of FF and this comes across fine. Meanwhile I see that MJ cares about healing the same way I couldn't tell you why they made her do that. It's flavorless and is a completely paint by numbers design. Just dogshit.
>>96490264We literally just saw a discussion unfold where someone was trying to angleshoot "no MLD in bracket 2" by animating all lands then casting a creature wipe.
>>96490357Nobody claims there are no spiteful dickheads playing Commander
>>96490238Buyback means you'll often always have shit if you have a buyback card in hand. You're cloning the hell out of mana rocks after all so the buyback cost isn't a big deal. The deck usually wins by utilizing strength The deck often wins utilizing strength and agility bobbleheads and just swinging in with a big Orvar.List: https://moxfield.com/decks/Nhs5VIfBE0W7tV3hi6GvBwThis deck could have big mana shit to make it better, but I try not to make too many large edits to the deck because it was originally a condolence gift from some friends.Also don't expect to ever win with luck bobblehead. It's not fuckin happening.
>>96490357And no one could really agree on if that wasn't bracket 2Because the brackets are very loosely defined and up to interpretation.
>>96490353why is MJ, a normal human, as strong as Aerith, and more durable?
>>96490357Oh it's that kind of angle shooting. I thought he was talking about weaponizing the bracket system downward. Your example is already noted in the brackets article where intent is clearly explained to be the filter, not the letter of the bracket sheet. If you're animating everyone's lands and then clearing them it's pretty obvious the intent behind the play is MLD which means it doesn't pass the sniff test and you should be thrown out for being an anti-social shit testing faggot. Gavin's words, not mine. Verbatim.
>>96490342You know I did not remember those being so well costed all things considered. I guess there are some well costed ones then. I mostly remembered ones like Samurai's Katana, Warrior's Sword, and Bard's Bow. Seems like among the many over costed ones there are some well costed ones too.
>>96490336I've been wanting to build Lightning. Let us know how it goes if you build her.
>>96490348This is in my potential Arabella deck. Good token generator.
>>96490389Not going the typical Voltron route. Want to make it more goad focused.
>>96490380Intent cannot be proven outside a court of law. So you cannot angleshoot off intent because it cannot be proven.
>>96490416These aren't courts and crowds are not beholden to standards of evidence. They are perfectly allowed, encouraged even, to bounce someone who is disrupting games by lying about their deck
>>96490416Your pod is the jury of your peers.
>>96490430Then it's angle shooting. Simple as.
>>96490380>literally admits brackets are angle shooting
>>96490469It's not. It's a social framework for managing expectations in a social (not tournament) format. The person trying to use MLD in bracket 2 would be angle shooting. He's trying to pay with technicalities and lack of specificity in the rules to win a game. People who understand that intent trumps the hard letter of the rules would understand that this is a bad faith attempt to ruin their game.
>Kingpin not in the setI'm still upset about this
>>96490361>buybackOh yeah, that would make the deck pretty resilient in the long term. Especially if you're running so many mana rocks. And I really like that there is a win state when you can buff Orvar enough and get him in unblockable. I really appreciate a deck that can close out a game eventually. Thanks anon. I had an Orvar for a different deck years ago but never really did anything with it and I think I have a good amount of bobble heads. I'll see what I can build from my bulk and play it around a bit next chance I get.
>>96490490I'm more upset that spiderman is in the set than anything.
>>96490490It's baffling isn't it? He's a big villain. Literally and figuratively for Spider-Man. I'd have thought for sure he would be in. Maybe he's being saved for the larger Marvel set we'd get later?
>>96490416Oh fuck off. If you're playing Kormus Bell + Urborg + Maha, you're being an intentional cunt and deserve to be booted.I hope you face nothing but Krarkashima and Scrambleverse decks for the rest of your days.
>>96490416>midwits actually believe this
>>96490530He literally fucking kills Spider-man in a movie He has a game named "Spider-Man vs Kingpin." He was a major villain in the 90's cartoon. I assume they're saving him for some set with Daredevil in it but I honestly consider Kingpin more of a Spidey villain.
Why the fuck is Grim Monolith $400 now? When I stopped playing around WAR it was like $60
Probably a really basic question. Is this how this works? eg:Both on field>Hardened Scales>If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.>Branching Evolution>If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, twice that many +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.I get an explore trigger to put one(1) +1/+1 counter on my creature. The options are:>Explore = 1 counter * 2 (branching evolution) = 2 counters>2 counters put on creature + 1 (hardened scales) = 3 counters totalOR>Explore = 1 counter + 1 (Hardened Scales) = 2>2 Counters put on creature * 2 = 4 counters totalOR>Explore trigger 1 counter + 1 (Hardened Scales) = 2 counters>Explore trigger 1 counter * 2 (Branching Evolution) = 2 counters>2 + 2 = 4 counters total
>>96490572Game is significantly more popularNew cards that abuse itReserve list
>>96490572le reserved list face
>>96490490Please understand. There's only so many cards in a set, and comparatively, Kingpin just doesn't have priority compared to cards people have been begging for.
>>96490545He started as a Spider-Man villain and still is a major one for him, but he's one of the more 'universal' villains. I'd put him in a similar category to, say, Doctor Doom, except even when Doom is a villain to others, it ALWAYS comes back to the Fantastic Four with him. Kingpin can be a Spider-Man villain, a Daredevil villain, a Punisher villain, a villain to literally anybody who's just around on the street in New York. That's sort of the point of him nowadays, so it makes sense to not have him stuck in the Spider-Man set and instead keep him for a wider set (probably, if my thoughts of there being 3 more sets is true, a Street Level/Avengers set).
I actually find random modern day things being made into real magic cards hilarious. It’s so absurd it becomes based. I hate Spider-Man but this makes me smile
>>96490637It's not like they couldn't put him in the Spidey set AND a future marvel set. I have no doubt Spider-shit will return in other marvel sets.Like we have 4 or 5 Versions of the Master from Doctor Who. We coulda had two Kingpin's years apart.
>>96490647"shmear" and "nosh" make it somehow feel like a personal attack
>>96490647Is shmear and nosh some NYC slang or some shit? Because I have never heard anyone say that.
>>96490653That's fair, but I think they wanted to keep it largely to Spider-Man and villains that are predominantly Spider-Man focused. I honestly half-expect to see some more Symbiote stuff in later sets because they only really had Venom and Carnage and the Carnage was shit, because Symbiote stuff has basically spiralled into its own offshoot of Marvel stuff. Probably in a hypothetical Cosmic set is where we'll see Knull and all that. So that's why the Symbiote presence was relatively muted here. Kingpin, meanwhile, is not a villain who's predominantly against Spider-Man these days, Daredevil is definitely the 'archnemesis' to him if anybody, so he's not in this because he's a villain for Spider-Man, but he's not a 'Spider-Man villain'.
>Named item owned by a named characterThis should be a legendary card as much as a sword owned by Gandalf is.
>>96490694should have just called in "Film Camera"
>>96490673Shmear and nosh both comes from Yiddish; the first being a term for a spread (often cream cheese), with nosh being slang for a snack. The large Jewish contingent in New York makes the terms semi-frequently used, especially as a large number of bagel shops and delis are run by Jewish proprietors (as Kosher dietary requirements are both necessary for Jewish customers and seen as a mark of quality for non-Jews).It fits in like other 'random fucking new york thing' like the taxi driver (who I permit as a card on the grounds that I think I've seen spiderman on top of a taxi at least four separate times in my life), which would probably be fine if this were a slam dunk set, but its presence and the lack of other important characters kinda feels off.It confirms the theory people hold that somebody high on the dev team has a food deck that they are explicitly printing for; which might be more exciting if food.dek wasn't already one of the most massively over-supported archetypes that exist.
>>96490694LEAVE THE NON LEGENDARY ARTIFACT ALONE.Osgir suffers enough as it is. The card might be shit for him but we need more non legendary artifacts, not less.
>>96490267Oh nice. I noticed each was a two color friend deck. Good on you, anon. I'm in the middle of trying to introduce my gf to magic and EDH. Starting her off on a few games using the Broomburrow Otter/Bunny starter decks.
>>96490598makes sense>>96490601trve. at least my copy artifact and power artifact are worth more as well
>>96490572>nowBeen for many years, now
>>96490597the affected player gets to decide the order
Damn WotC marketing even hitting my grindr page lmaoWhat do you think his card does? And more importantly do I message him back?
>>96490367No. Its evidently 4. People are just in denial. He flat out states his intent was to hold up mana so he could always destroy lands of needed.
>>96490758>put deck list into moxfield>says bracket 2I'll go with the super popular site over the nerd trying to angle shoot in commander. Also, please accept pretty much no one but you is doing this intent shit and are just deciding their brackets off concrete shit like "3 GCs"
>>96489753ANSER MY QUESTION!!!1
>>96490694>This should be a legendary card as much as a sword owned by Gandalf is.Peter has had many cameras, as they break often. Gandalf had one sword. This is not THE camera of Peter Parker. It is one of the cameras belonging to Peter Parker.
>>96490778I thought that nigga was broke?
>>96490768Okay dont be surprised when people don't want to play with you
>>96490754Spider-Man, Throbbing Thwiper. Taps creatures and generates web tokens with x/x based on his power as you tap those creatures. And yes, obviously. Don't leave Spider-Man hanging.
>>96490694The IW version of this is going to fuck so hard.
>>96490694God, all the proliferate cards we've been getting lately are going to enjoy this one.
>>96490807Hot take: Proliferate was a huge mistake, because it breaks cards like that. It should've only been "increase *one* counter", not "any number of counters"
>>96490815Is that a hot take? I thought everyone kind of accepted that proliferate was insane as fuck. Populate feels more in line with what it should have been like.
>>96490818Honestly I only started playing last year, and it still blows my mind that I don't see it in every deck ever. I think it's the dumbest mechanic in the game (from what I've seen/experienced). Put a single +1/+1 counter on your stuff? Cool just proliferate 10x/turn and you just win, I guess. Populate is perfect and exactly how it should've been done
>>96490782Yeah, because he keeps buying cameras, keep up.
>>96490726>It confirms the theory people hold that somebody high on the dev team has a food deck that they are explicitly printing for; which might be more exciting if food.dek wasn't already one of the most massively over-supported archetypes that exist.I think it's more a symptom of what I call Game of Thrones Syndrome.When GoT was airing, people would talk about it on twitter/reddit/tumblr/etc. in huge numbers, and the show writers would actually read what people were saying. While this sounds like it might be helpful, since they could listen to feedback and use it constructively, they instead were influenced by it in all the worst ways.They read fan theories, and tried to subvert expectations, ultimately working against any setups they established. They embraced memes, ignored any real criticism, and the show got progressively worse because the writers had just thrown themselves into a swirling cacophony of voices and only decided to listen to the voices they wanted to. That's not just less than helpful, it ends up reinforcing all the worst ideas.WotC pays attention to social media. Too much attention. So, when people react to certain things online, that reinforces certain behaviors from WotC. They stop thinking critically and start thinking about what got the most likes/upvotes/retweets/etc., and just chase those.That's what a good amount of the Spiderman cards are. Just the end result of clickbait turned into card design.
>>96490726>>96490860Oh you're just NOW realizing it?
>>96490905Oko was broken because his 2nd ability was hilariously undervalued, not because of food.
>>96490728aye i really need to brush up my Osgir list, there is so much weird innit, its downright bad. Fun to see how bad a builder i was back then. the latest and only card i added was randomly picrel. Anything cool and spicy you added from the last 2 years?
>>96490918Yes but the retards on the design team thought he was just going to be used in food strategies.
>>96490860>They embraced memes, ignored any real criticism, and the show got progressively worse because the writers had just thrown themselves into a swirling cacophony of voices and only decided to listen to the voices they wanted to. That's not just less than helpful, it ends up reinforcing all the worst ideas.
>>96490733I got to play 3 of the decks today against my wife/kidsWife on arahbo Kid 1 on the rakdos deckKid 2 on AzoriusI played the dimir, then the gruul then selesnya.Damn it was fun. The older I get the more fun I have in lower tier games.
>look at Alms Collector high synergy cards on edhrec>No font of mythos>No howling mine>Not even secret rendezvous>Just a bunch of random cats
>>96490999Probably cause its not a very good card anymore and it wouldn't even work for one of those cards.
>>96490921Osgir hasnt recieved a good card in years because artifacts are now either plot relevant legendary things, cars or limited removal.
>>96485386probably miku. I'll make it a "tribal" deck that's just hot women and Jaya
>>96490999edhrec has been shit for years now. society has the attention span of a gold fish so nobody invests time to design a deck from the ground up. its all copy & paste staples and shitty youtuber lists.
>>96491051Nigga what are you talking about there are lots of cutesy toys coming out
>>96491074osgir isnt lacking ramp. he shits out so much value with existing cards arleady.osgir needs more payoffs for all this value.
>>96490999I mean to the credit of EDHrec babies, Alms Collector can't be in your command zone (yet) so it's rather ambitious to build your whole draw package around it instead of something like Council of Four.
>>96491088Well damn nigga like keep up
>>96491090Your draw package in white IS howling mine and font of mythos and monarch. Alms collecter is just there to double dip from your opponents drawing. Unless you have life gain then it's dawn of hope, alhameret's archive, and well of lost dreams
>>96491152White has pretty decent card draw now when you play to its strengths instead of building bullshit and seething that singleton etb draw a card cantrip bodies aren't enough
W is unironically the second best ramp color and nobody is talking about it
>>96490522Rise and shine and cyberdrive awakener also can just end the game because you will have a lot of mana rocks and they become a swarm.
>>96491152>anon posts from 1999
>>96491204catchup ramp isn't real ramp no matter how many times you bring it up
>>96491218But if used well you'll have a much if not more mana from lands as the green player
>>96491217Based. Party time
>>96491228only if there's a green player at your table to ramp off of and even then you are never pulling ahead of them by any significant marginand worst case there's no green or the green players wiffs and you're getting land mana at the same rate as the izzet player, without any of their cost reduction shenanigans
>>96491204Anyone who plays mono white knows this already so there's really no reason to say anything about it. It's incredible how consistent it can be because of it.
>>96491251If there's no green player youre still utilizing bounce lands, sacking and recurring lands to have the most mana. Youre just bad at white its okay.
>>96491217So what are you doing for mono white draw
>>96491283Rent is dueFour knocksTocasia's welcomeWelcoming vampireMentor of the meekTrouble in Pairs.That is just off the top of my head without thinking much.
>>96491283There are so many options its ridiculous and very deck dependent. I put cut a deal secret rendezvous hyldas crown and flumph cause I love that dude in all my white decks for draw. Beyond that depends on the deck theme!
>>96491251It should be said that white is incredibly efficient with mana while green is incredibly inefficient. Green gets good P/T for its bang but rarely much else at a good rate. Even though white weenie has fallen away, White still gets plenty of powerful effects at really low costs.
>>96491305I love mono white cards like Alliance of Arms when you have some buff enchantment up or Humility. Throw down a Eldrazi Monument or Akroma's Memorial and it's game over.
I have blue fatigue. I'm tired of every asshole running some variant of it.
>>96491332this but black
>>96491332>>96491338Black and blue are my least favorite colors, and while I hate "I'm not actually smart so I'll just use busted ass shit like cheap draw and counters to roleplay as someone who's smart" blue players, anyone who runs those "the game sucks now" black enchantments are definitely worse.
>>96491332Same, but only because it has the easiest combat draw
>>96491411I still don't get why blue of all colors get the damage based card draw. Would have thought it be red.
>>96491418Because blue is the color of "intelligence" or whatever. Red is "impulse/hasty decisions" or whatever, so it gets impulse draw instead. it's why black has the "pay any price for power" mentality so it has "pay life for card draw"
>>96491332This but green
we're only allowed to play boros now. i guess mono w or mono r are also acceptable
>>96491488I already have 6 boros decks. I'm already prepared for this world I must live in.
>>96491488aw but I still wanna build that Kadena deck that one anon convinced me to run. I guess I can do that shrimp food dude, he's interesting
I took out Veyran. I realized I had 43 fucking lands plus the mana rocks so i took them out and put a couple red commons in. Is it still too many lands? Cause I often hear that people run too few lands.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-08-25-alania/?cb=1757224594Also ritual spells are expensive or sold out everywhere and I already have so much cost reduction in my deck. I think my abundance of mana plus cost reductions is a bit redundant.I'm also building a Yeva deck. Somebody said it can be easily broken and unfun so I'm gonna scoop up a bunch of cheap ETB toolbox creatures, some common ramp like Nature's lore and llanowar elves, and some overrun spells to end games. I look forward to running 33 forests.
>>96491418Small evasive creatures are a blue thing.Drawing cards is a blue thing.Put them together and you get those effects.
white needs more path to exile effects to combo with catchup ramp
It's time to move on.>>96491640>>96491640>>96491640
>>96491616>Is it still too many lands?Start at 38, adjust according to how it plays. That's the general rule of thumb for normal/standard decks
