Previous Thread: >>96585655>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What is your favorite 2 color combo?
>>96595938Don't forget tax collector
>>96595938>TQ: What is your favorite 2 color combo?Selesnya, I have endless fun with hatebears, prison, enchantment and craterhoof decks. it doesn't hurt that saffi is a cool card either, I love those kind of combos. But the real reason I started playing them was because my local meta wasn't running ANY enchantment removal and g/w has that in spades. >tfw my wife also plays a lot of Selesnya decksits actually becoming a bit of a problem lol
>mfw my opponent crop rotated for Field of the Deadhe will now get a whole "free" vanilla 2/2 after the 7th differently named land drop in this format with 40 starting life and 3 opponents.I don't know what to do at this point. I feel left behind. How am I to fight back against such awesome power and bottomless value? I feel as though the game has changed.
>>96595938>TQWR in general but there arent really any WR legendaries i like so i almost never play it in edhfor edh specifically i guess WU
>>96596030I see Selesnya commander options and can't help but groan at the infinite boredom. What are your, your wife's and your wife's boyfriend Selesnya commanders?
>>96595938brash taunter+blazing sunsteelalso enjoy:duskmantle guildmage+mindcrankgodo+helmonyx+chain of smog
@96596049 You already posted this last thread why post again?
>>96596074>2 colourI am illiterate, but I like Boros
>>96595938>TQYOU ALREADY KNOW WHO IT IS
>>96595938>TQ: What is your favorite 2 color combo?Boros. It's like mono green stompy, but way more potent and explosive thanks to cards like pic related.
>TQEither Dimir or Rakdos, but I can never seem to settle into the right Rakdos commander for my playstyle choices.
>TQGruul and Rakdos is what I like
>>96596067very funnyI'm currently only playing two Selvala Explorer Returned and Emmara, I just took apart Sythis, it gets boring pretty fast I do admit. I'd like to run an an enchantment deck with a different commander. Sythis just makes the games too similar. My wife runs Arahbo, Karametra and that unicorn oneI've been toying around with a low power Gylwain deck and a Siona combo deck. I recently gave up brewing Kellan, Daring Traveler, there was just not enough meat on those bones for me. I like it as a more fair version of my selvala hatebears/craterhoof deck but I could just never get it to do anything but stall out the game then die.
>>96595938>TQ: What is your favorite 2 color combo?Any of the pairs within esper. Just how I prefer to play. They're very interactive colors, interfere with what my opponents are doing, often have weird and unusual effects that change how people have to playFunnily enough though, my monored, gruul, and selesnya decks are my most effective. Just sitting there doing my own thing seems too powerful to stop
>>96596233there's a reason I call it Asspair DimirAzorius Orzhov all very rancid with the most obnoxious gameplansI still love playing them
>>96596294I think maybe part of why my decks in those colors aren't great is because I don't play them obnoxious lol4 of my decks in those colors are enchantress lolBut then so are my gruul and selesnya decks and they get out of control
Answering my own TQI haveIzzet(x2)OrzhovI want to try another color combo. I do enjoy these but Orzbov might be my favoriteSomeone sell me on Rakdos, I feel like Rakdos is the guild I want to join
>>96596333Tickle your own balls fag, play Esper decks or don't, those are the best ones.
>>96596333Rakdos is a very same-y pair but if you like burn, sac'ing for value, and explosive plays then its fun.Just play every rakdos staple, something dies and everyone is taking burn, being forced to sac, you're making treasures- its good
>>96596354>play Esper decks or don't, those are the bestAhem
>>96596405Tranny pair
>enchantress >lands>spellslingerall disgusting and cancerous strategies that just try to bank on the fact that not all colors get to interact with them. all of them yield to the beauty of creature strategies. every colour and their grandmother can remove and kill creatures, even on a board wide scale. to play and fight with creatures is to fight butt naked, balls hanging out. you look into your opponents eyes, fearless, taunting them with your biggest weakness exposed. wow
>there are people in this very thread that don't enjoy AetherdriftDisgusting
>>96596453>>enchantress>cancerous strategies that just try to bank on the fact that not all colors get to interact with them.Literally every color but red has instants that hit enchantments as well as other permanents. The only one that doesn't is red, and that's why you run Liquimetal Torque
>>96596405>love the flavour and gimmicks of the actual Simic guild>it has become the brain-dead easy to play value shit fest with the worst reputation and most annoying playerswhy, mama?
>>96596456I thought it was okay but I hate how they don't have multi-set blocks so knew the winners before the set even came out and that shit is lame
>>96596507Green is the color of more resource and blue is the color of more card so it has low weakness and easy advantage
Where do I even start with gruul vehicles, just slap the tops cards on edhrec and call it good?
>>96596516a RETVRN to blocks would be epic, but it'll never happen. You WILL get 8 UB sets a year and you WILL enjoy it
>>96596558>scryfall>vehicles>CI:gruul>creatures that wanna be tapped or something of otherUse your fucking brain and do some legwork faggot
>>96596627The Slopper already said his plan anyway, he was hoping to get spoonfed.
>>96596558
>>96596690the fact that he makes the enchantments indestructible assures people always remove him rather than the problem enchantment. should have just been vehicles but for enchantments since they are hard enough to remove as non-creatures already
>invert polarity opponents commander, maha>kills his own creatures with kaervek’s -1-1>NOOOOOOO I WAS SUPPOSED TO BOARD WIPE EVERYONE ELSE>he tries to deadly rollick his own commander, discarding a card>deflecting swat it to the only creature with +1 counters>return the ravor and stifle etali who dies on instantly>’you arent making this game fun’They are your cards, eat shit
https://www.instagram.com/p/DO6YB25gYOG/Spiderman was so shit they had to blast the LORT 2 set
>>96596796>see "influencers" having to discuss the low turnout for spooder pre-release>the comments are all coping about people disliking Disney, being burned out by the number of sets per year etc>comments specifically going out of their way to say people using it as an excuse to dunk on UB are being unfair and this is just what Magic is nowI hate normies like you wouldn't believe
SPIDER MAN WILL DO WAY BETTER THAN FINAL FANTASY, YOU'LL SEE. FINAL FANTASY IS NO WHERE NEAR THE MOST POPULAT SUPERHERO ON THE PLANET>everyone who claimed this retardation needs to apologize in this thread right now.
>>96596782timmy hates getting interacted with, it is what it is
>>96595938Sophia the mtggirl is in your pod across from you and starts stepping on your foot. What do?
>put my wishlist into the shopping wizard tool>it comes out to like 800-900 bucksWell... shit.
>>96596507It's the troon guild and wotc r n d are troons or troon adjacent
>>96597093I fucking kick her in the shin, don't touch my shoes you greasy bitch
>>96597093"Please take your foot off of mine. Thank you, now, I pay four, play Sidisi and mill three cards.">I mill Brawn and create two 2/2 zombie tokens thanks to Adrix and Nev being on the battlefield.
>>96595938I pulled a Gwenom at the SPM prerelease. I'm new to commander, what advice would you give me to build around her?
>>96597129Get all tutors that put cards on top of your library and load up on retarded monster creatures like ulamog = gg
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96597148Richard Garfield here.I wasn't sure about it but after reading your 800th ritual post i've decided to change the starting life in commander to 30.
Besides the obvious Obeka what commander makes good use of these cards
>>96597086Spooderfags in shambles
>>96597129It's just Bolas's Citadel on a creature. How pushed and boring.
>>96597112>Read a handful random cards in the pic>All of them are $30 or moreI don't know what either of us expected.
>>96596333https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46vJrzkBpgcThe into on this video sold me on Rakdos 12 years ago when I was getting into Magic, good old days of youtube
How despised will I be if I play a stun counter deck?
>>96597187Hey there's a few bulk cards in there too.Really what i want most is the phyrexian altar and some good tutors.Fucked up that imperial seal is like 80+€.
>>96597086Don't care. Still playing Spider-man
>>96597158Rog/Vial Smasher
>>96597115Stop obsessing over trannies
>>96597158Valgavoth for sure
>>96597191Woah there anon, let's not get too excited at the though of that durdle match you're brewing. I'm sure everyone is going to be thrilled to hear that your wincon is exclusively second sun or everyone dies of old age.You won't be despised if you have something to actually do besides stall.
>>96597230>all your shit is permanently tapped downI think there is a very easy way to win in this scenario.It's called "turn your shit sideways"
>>96597086Why did you post this the exact opposite of the proper way
You now remember Duskmorne
>>96597234You'd think that until you actually play it and you're only hitting with a few 1/2 shitters. The dream of having infinite stun counters is quite different than what the reality will be.
>>96597271I think Valgavoth and the overlords are cool but all the references are gay yeah
>>96597086My LGS said they have more orders for Spider-Man than FF. They're just by people that don't play at the store.
>>96597129>what advice would you give meI advise you that if you didn't play Magic until they put characters you know on cardboard, then when Magic is printing characters you don't know you will lose interest and stop playing.Instead of wasting your money buying into a game you know nothing about just because you saw a representation of something you like in the art box, go buy a poster or a figurine or somethingOr better yet, learn to control your excessive consumerist impulses.
>>96597282We call those "scalpers", friend
>>96595938>TQRU, RW, or RGI desperately want new art for Syr Gwyn. In my wildest MTG dreams, Seb does it. That or Omar Rayyan/Justine Jones. What artist would you have make a new card for your favorite commander if you could?
>>96597158I use both in my Rowan and Greven decks and they're great
>>96597275If you say so.
>>96597282ummmm sweaty...that didn't happen.Just like how my LGS didn't sell out of multiple pre-releases with 40 slots each
>>96597189> 45 minutesWtf
>>96597271I wish I bought another one of those TV bundle boxes when they were still around. I love lenticular photos and they set was great outside the hum*ns.
I feel like I get deckbuilding block when I try to build this. It feels very unlike any other deck I've built.
>>96597313I think it's a good sub theme to keep important assholes tapped but it's not enough to just make a million counters and hope you can poke people to death. Much of the stun counter cards are not designed with commander mind for better or worse.I would encourage you to live the dream once and then make notes on the issues you have or direction you might want to take it afterwards.
>>96597307Do you enjoy being targeted every game as Rowan
>>96597271the monster designs (mostly) kick ass, the rest of the set sucks
>>96597331you have no whimsy, you can't rotate a cube in your mind's eye
>>96596405Wew
>>96597331>UBtourist is unable to build a do thing draw card pileshocking
>>96596030I also love Selesnya, but that's just because it has a plethora of good stax pieces and commanders.
>>96597364Please stop repeating the same lines every single thread. You end up feeling like a bot
>>96597331You are shit at this game if you can't build a deck around something as basic as that.
Someone told me to build a deck using only "real" Magic cards as a challenge. I started with this guy after looking at EDHrec because he looked cool, but I'm having a lot of trouble. Can anyone give me any tips?
>>96597372
>>96597377Do a thing, draw a card!
>>96597331Stax and/or pillowfort, hurting yourself, and flicker.
He is fun and I am glad I built him.
>>96597371PDS is a beloved /edhg/ IP, dont insult him
>>96597371npc posts deserve one another
>>96597086In shitting on spiderman to own scalpers, mtg players outed themselves as sweaty tryhard faggots who only care about spergy optimal meta shit rather than playing for fun with new cards or unique new builds
>>96597377Assuming you're a UB newfag. Landfall is one of the most straight forward, builds-itself decks of all time. You drop a land and you do the thing, there isn't much to it.Go to scryfall adv search, jam landfall into the text search, set the commander colors to GU, and add anything that looks interesting to you. If you're feeling daring today you can include crucible of worlds and other similar cards to recycle fetch lands to make a bigger infinite advantage pile, I bet no one's thought of that one before!Fill the rest with in color pet cards.Now go proxy every simic adjacent fetch land and make the infinite advantage pile go burrr. (fetch lands get around commander color requirements)Jokes aside you can pretty much go net deck any build with this guy as the commander and they're nearly identical because he's narrow in what he does. Once you've played maybe 3 random net decks you can mash all the cards that stood out to you between them all. He's hard to fuck up.And the fetch land thing isn't a joke, you'll get over the innocent bean hurdle and run them eventually.
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF
I am angry about spiderman
>>96597611nah that nigga is busted, i've been playing him in arena and he's totally nuts
>>96597611Why would you not put this in every green deck ever?
>>96597622Being a universal staple isn't good enough excuse when Sol Ring is unbanned.
>>96597628It is when you are reserve list.
>>96597617He's not busted as part of the 99, like he used to be. Definitely busted as commander.>>96597622Because these Zoomers don't run basic lands anymore, so he only gives big mana in mono green Chad Forest decks.
>>96597631oh yeah, he'd be fine in the 99. i hate that they won't bring back banned as commander, free my nigga grizzy b
>>96597350My retarded friends whom I treasure either haven't figured it out or are worried about whatever try hard nonsense is at the table. I then Jeska's will into Crackle with power or something else retarded by like turn 6. Or I kms and ragebait from the sidelines
>>96597191based
>>96597711hate of stun decks seem based on preconceptions of how they'll work.
Dear /edhg/, today I got to play my Winota for the first time, after my Knights of Round was allowed to finish its saga, no less. I got ten triggers on the stack and had to reshuffle my deck just to have enough cards to do it. (Terra commander)10/10 would take a ten minute turn and make everyone groan again
>>96596456I came back after Aetherdrift but I've been picking up some singles cheap, reminds me of Redline and Redline was awesome
I got some trade value built up. Mono blue infect or WU tap/untap control?
I lost to that artifact that gives everyone 1000 damage if it gets 1000 counters
>>96597630The vast majority of the reserved list is legal for commander, get a better excuse numbnuts.
>>96597739Are they all immediate staples?
>>96597724>sensational spiderman>black cat>J.jonah jamesonreeeee
>>96597734Hylda, but put in all the Inspired cards.
>>96597735How'd it happen, anon?
>>96597801It's been a week or so since it happened but basically he had something to double the counters on that thing every turn and by the end he had a synergy that let him untap that to double twice per turn.
>>96597771Listen dawg, I've been digging deep for 3 or less power ETBs for Terra and I can't help it if they made some awesome shit in the new set for it. Especially black cat, man>when she enters look at someone's top NINE>pick TWO to play (not cast, so lands)>oh and you can play them forever even if she leaves Honestly the card i was most excited for besides Green Goblin
>>96597805but spider-man bad
>>96597805>>Honestly the card i was most excited for besides Green GoblinWhich? There are three.
>>96595938>TQIm one of 3 people on earth who enjoy and have multiple Golgari decks. Yeah it does suck to be completely blown out by graveyard hate but it is what it is
>>96595938>What is your favorite 2 color combo?Izzet, going by my list of decks I have built
>>96596608I just wish they'd do two sets so we could get build up/pay off. As is tension is nil and planes feel flat without any stakes. Otj, mom, aether drift all suffer from a lack mystery with the story. They wanted to do aftermath packs to do that I guess but 7 card packs for 2x price is retarded
I SAID KNOCK KNOCK LET THE DEVIL IN
I wanted to build picrel as an aggro/deathtouch weenies deck, but after putting it together it seems pretty weak. Would going mono black midrange make more sense? Seen any other interesting ways to build him?>>96595938In theory, UR.I'm practice, RG.
Thinking about building a Bartolome/Gyruda deck basically to lean into Bartolome sac voltron but add blue for powerful artifact synergies. Thoughts?
>3 mana draw 3 with a tutor attached damn son the power creep is real
>>96597815Well, if i get my hands on the Rakdos ones I'll use them, but I specifically meant THE guy Norman Osborn. Made a Kefka , Court Mage villain playground deck and its disgustingly good for it>>96597809Well if it's >spiderman bad because UBI dont mind the IP>spiderman bad because it's "out of place"I'm coming back after a long time and discovering New Capenna which feels pretty thematically similar just Demonic™, so whatever. We're getting plenty of capeshit to come so its time for the nostalgia block I guess
>>96597898>Tarnationwtf did wotc do?
>>96597898Its actually a 3 mana draw 3, 3 mana top of deck tutor, or a 5 mana tutor and draw 2, fun design
>>96597911that's true, I'd play it for the 3 mana draw 3.tutor is just gravy
>>96597898It's not powercreep at all, it costs 5 mana just to tutor one card into your hand.It is however an awesome budget option since it barely costs any money.
>>96597765Not at all. Most were unplayable trash even when they were new, but that is an irrelevant deflection.Come up with a better excuse.
>>965979173 mana draw 3 with upside is powercreep.
>>96597921>3 mana draw 3 with upside>lose 3 lifeWhats the upside here?
>>96597930>where's the upsidethe text on the card that you are ignoring.
>>96597936It costs 5 mana if you use the rest of the card which is mediocre for a demonic tutor
>>96597941(you)
>>96597936But then its not 3 mana...
>>96597944There's a reason it's a 2 dollar card and good black tutors are minimum 30.
>>96597945>>96597941I swear you people do not understand this game at all. It, at baseline, is 3 mana draw 3. That is already a pushed rate, which is compensated for by its bbb cost but then you get utility aside from that. The utility is raw upside.
>>96597966I understand what you're saying, i'm just telling you it's not powercreep in a modern context.It's a shitty expensive tutor and an okay draw spell, there's better cards to run for either function.
>>96597973show me a better sorcery draw spell for 3 mana.
>>96597980Anon.. it's not even blue...
>>96597973>okay draw spell3 for 3 is way more than ok. You are lost in the sauce.
>>965979803 is too expensive for a draw spell, you can't do shit else that turn and same goes for a 5 mana tutor.You're on black, draw 2 for 1 mana with villages rites-likes, tutor anything for 1-2 mana, maybe draw 2 for 2 mana if you want to.
>>96597989you're right, it's better. It's black.
>>96597994>You're on black, draw 2 for 1 mana with villages ritesLiterally worse than night's whisper in most cases. >its not demonic tutorwow great analysis. btw if you see this card and think tutor as a primary use case you suck at magic.
>>96597848Group slug.
Gay TQ. Post silly charm spells you enjoy.
>>96598066gay charmtarget (you)
>>96597973>i'm just telling you it's not powercreep in a modern context.it is though3 mana sorcery draw spells in black pretty much all draw 2 cardsthe only ones that don't have some meme tier downside like "lose half ur life to draw 4"
So if I want to run a WUBRG deck, my friend told me the correct way to do it is all 10 shocks and all 10 fetches with some utility lands and basics. He said triomes are a noob trap and should be avoided. Does that sound right?
>>96598078perhaps
>>96598078maybe
>>96598078more or lesstriomes aren't BAD by any means but untapped lands >>>>> tapped lands
>>96598078Your friend sounds like a try hard netdecker
>>96598078Triomes are cool and I'm tired of pretending that they're not
>>96598078Triomes are based and I'm tired of pretending they're not. Turn 1 fetch in to triome is peak.
>>96598078Nah triomes are based, but you only need 2 or 3.
>>96597734Hylda go wide, go get em champ
Anybody else just ordered a proxy?
>>96598077>>96597992He's right though. Black has had a 3 mana draw 3 with (take some damage) for years. Its just not an effect they're hurting for since black is decent with draw triggers. The modular card is a cool way to explore the design space. They're clearly not trying to crack it *too* hard
>>96598168>blinks unothin personnel
>>96598078Enjoy having only 25 life nerd
>>96597331>Wall of Blood>pay a ton of life, flicker commander, make someone else at 1 life>repeat 2 more times>everyone at 1 life, you're at 30+ or whateverwow so hard oh gosh oh geez
>>96598168insatiable avarice is WAY better than this card thoughbeit
>>96598177>Abdel! Were you blinking my enchantments again?!
Is there a term for cards that put a clock on the game? Stuff like this, Armageddon Clock, Descent into Avernus, etc
>>96598180>he thinks life mattersIf you can shit out your combo fatser than anyone else, life doesn't matter. Shocks and fetchs guarantee you have on demand mana with color flexibility.
>>96598078The only reason triomes are a trap is that for all their benefits, they're still tap lands. Don't include ALL the triomes in 5c even if you can run them, just run them where they help your color distribution.This is true for shocks and fetches too; you don't need to run them all unless your deck is extremely balanced across all 5 colors.In order of importance for 5c (assuming your commander or deck doesn't have special requirements) do the following:-5c lands with light requirements (Command Tower, Fabled Passage, Exotic Orchard, Reflecting Pool(maybe))-Fetches and Shocks (prioritize heavy colors)-Triomes and 5c lands with heavier requirements (City of Brass, Mana Confluence)Then choose utility, surveil-lands, and any other lands that fit your theme and gameplan. Try to avoid tap lands unless they do something good for you. And holy fuck do not run vanilla tap lands. There are a pile of them now that at least do something; take the cycle ones with basic land types at least.
>>96597191Is it proliferate? I was thinking proliferate.
>99 problems but taplands ain't one.
>>96598245Man thats a lot of money. I think I'll run heavy green and just color fix with my ramp spells. Basics are king. Death to non-basics.
>>96597842Only good Venom card and it should have been Mac instead of Eddie. None of the Venom cards fit Eddie.
>>96595938>TQ: What is your favorite 2 color combo?As a primarily White player, I am partial to all Wx combinations, but I suppose I'd pick Selesnya if pressed.>hatebears>tokens>enchantments
Is proxying cards on the reserved list seen as a dick move?I think it'd be a dick move to proxy powerful cards but I want more wheels for my Nekusar deck and Wheel of Fortune is on the reserved list and is expensive
>>96598339Yeah, 5c manabases are murder. Run things like Chromatic Lantern and other things that let your other lands tap for 5c if you need to keep cost down.Basics are unironically always good to have, don't ever cut them out entirely.
>>96598391It depends on your playgroup. Like for me I dislike proxies and only play bracket 1, 4, and 5 at one of the local lgs doesn't allow them for their hosted tournament play. Another shop is totally cool with proxies and you build your own pods. At home the only proxies are my cube. You also have the option of chinaman counterfeits if you want legit looking $2 copies.
>>96598391probably not the worst thing to proxy. But do you really need one more wheel that badly? there are so many almost equivalent wheels in those colors
>>96598396Just play the wandering minstrel and it turns your mana base into gold
>>96597650I started EDH in 2009. I remember when he was always banned as a general. Him and a very few others. He was that good, but fine in your deck. Strong, yes, but situational. Way more BS cards in the format now.
Too on the nose?
>I love me my phat-ass white girl cards
>>96598562She dead tho
>>96598556I wish she'd give me a handy
>>96598571She got better
>>96598265I'm thinkin infect and stun counter proliferate.
>>96598571...no
>>96595938>What is your favorite 2 color combo?It's funny, if you'd asked me without any proof to back it up, I'd probably say I like the Red/Green or Red/Blue the best, but if you go by number of decks built, it's either Black/White or Red/White with three decks each...and I've got another Black/White deck on the burner, cookin'.
>>96598657I also love aristocrats
>play mono-green>lose to a counterspellI really gotta start putting Insist back into my decks
>>96598691https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3ACan%27t+oracle%3Abe+oracle%3Acountered%29+color%3DG+%28game%3Apaper%29
I’m trying to build Pic Rel (either Naya with this guy or Selesnya with Sigarda as the general) as a classic voltron deck that can pivot to another creature if Uril gets killed. >Opponent somehow kills my big Uril>put 3 cheap enchantments on my second biggest dude and have another rising threat with keywords if need be The problem is that there are so many naya enchantments that I don’t know how to build the deck. I try to look at the deck and make my own judgements on what stays or goes. And I know my deck probably suffers cause I suck but I think it’s a good habit in order to improve your deck building skills. Do you literally just run good stuff enchantments/enchantresses with this guy and Sigarda? Also Tajuru Preserver really needs a reprint. He’s only ever been in printed in RotE. So yeah, I have a big list of synergistic enchantment cards but how do I cut back, trim the fat and construct a cohesive deck?
>>96597322these boxes were a total rip off, nothing of value inside
Bring back the commander tuck rule, fuckers!
>>96598804stop being retarded
>>96598804Wow that was fucking hard, all you had to do was do it at sorcery speed.
>>96597191Not very. It's an incredibly weak deck type. There just isn't enough good/reasonably costed cards that give stun counters, you're relying on proliferate to keep creatures in check, it is only effective against creatures in the first place, and tap effects are far more plentiful and effective and even then tap isn't that great because removing creatures is way better than just turning them sideways. Especially when there are so many decks that don't even really care if their creatures can attack/block, and stunning does nothing to stop non-activated creature abilities.It's a potentially fun and extremely fair deck type that is woefully undersupported. If anyone cares about you piloting a stun counter deck kindly remind them they fucking suck at the game and have no idea what they're talking about.
>>96597842>no devour keyword
>>96597611Your wincon?
>>96598843I suppose we'll see how stun/infect/proliferate spidey does
>>96597093Run my foot up her leg. If she's into it, its a win if not.... she'll probably stop touching my feet.
>>96598879You're going to have to have a board full of things that put stun counters on creatures, and then this card encourages you to remove them after all that effort just to draw some cards. Terrible design.
>>96598890Bro? Your ambling stormshell?
>skipped prerelease, bought zero packs>traded for the only spiderman card I wanted that's actually worth any significant value (pic rel)>the other three or four cards I want from the set are worth $2 or less each, might grab them in a small online order if I can't find them in people's bulk trade binders/boxesKinda comfy to not have much you actually want. Maybe WotC should do shit sets more often. I spent a lot of money on Tarkir and FF.
>>96598934This but the exact reverse
>>96598773Here is the deck I have so far. Is it faux pas to use (proxy) serra’s sanctum, academy rector, smothering tithe, and enlightened tutor?I need to cut some cards but I’m not sure if it should be the card advantage and enchantment discount creatures or a mix of those creatures and enchantments.
>>96599000https://moxfield.com/decks/LY69SiOO1Ui4sXAOJbuZywhttps://moxfield.com/decks/LY69SiOO1Ui4sXAOJbuZywWHOOPS
>>96598934Oh, it came out? Didn't notice.
>>96598804>Yes let's buff green even more by improving creature tutors so they're now 1/2 colors that can consistently recover a tucked commander
>I know have to check my big orders thrice to make sure not a single spidershit reprint has made it through
>>96599000>faux pasyes, fringe, no, no
>>96599285the price of autism
>>96599290eh don't try to appease to a larger audience with the introduction of some IPs and expect everyone to share the same positive Feelings about those IPs
>>96599319No one on Earth has shared a positive feeling about this set
>>96599326If there was more than a few good cards and fun mechanics, I'd play it. As is, it's nothing.
>oozes mana
Is Lingering Souls good enough in a tokens list these days?
How many blink options are there in mono red? Is it just Conjuring Closet?
>>96599667I think this one and yours are the only options. But there's a lot of ways to make copies.Are you building Dong Zhou?
>>96599667monored copies instead
>>96599836>Tannuk as commander>cheat in blightsteel big boy>mfw use this to create copies>mfw sundial of the infinite to prevent the sac
>>96599842people are still alive after you make your blightsteel army?
>>96595938still have to do knowledge pool/drannith lock.someday...
>>96599667Chaos Warp if you're not a lucklet
>>96599565I would only run it for flavor. It's just better to run a persistent token generator instead. Might be worth it in something like Thalisse where you have a doubler in the cz.
>>96599667Sword of Hearth and Home
>check various lists for what "optimal" lands you want to buy>fetches, shock, bond, triomes>specialized lands like brass, confluence, ancient tomb>tribal lands like eye of ugin, Cavern of Souls, etc>lands alone come out to like $1500Fucking hell. Why is the cardboard card game so expensive?
>>96599962>why is magic so expensiveBecause of this retarded format.
>>96599972I'd argue standard is worse.>oh hey remember that top of the line deck you made that cost you thousands>guess what, it's out of rotation now so it's worthless lmaoAt least with Commander and Modern, yoy can actually play with the shit you bought.
>>96599962Only the sweatiest of tryhards play with manabases full of that shit. Every deck I've ever played with just runs check/filter lands, the Temples, and basics. Only a few times have I ever seen anything more than that
>>96600031This is honestly what made me quit Hearthstone like a decade or so ago. It was my first TCG so I didn't know what rotations were, so when the day came where my meta deck and hundreds of cards disappeared, I uninstalled on the fucking spot. 1.5 years of f2p work grinding out cards, just gone like that
>>96600120I had a similar experience, but it didn't sting nearly as bad since I was new.>playing standard at LGS>using some bitch basic deck a friend gave me to start out, mono blue>total cost was like $20>go to play one day>a guy tells me I can't use that deck>why>"well it's out of rotation">wtf is that>he explains >"holy shit why would I ever invest in cards then">shows me commander>explains it's way more fun, no rotations, way more popular (at least in my area), etc>try it>have fun>never have to worry about gay rotations
>>96599972>>96600031>>96600120>>96600107>I sticky-note proxxied a sensei's divining top, fierce guardianship, ponder, and sol ring>probably going to proxxy all the fetch lands and shock lands (which are even more expensive now vs when RtR came out for some reason)I'm not paying 50 USD for a single card or 3$ for a fucking Sol ring or ponder. Call me a jew, call me a brown, call me a leech, whatever
>>96600333>gets banned from organized playJust take the chinapill and buy some bootlegs.
when/why did EDH replace kitchen table MTG as the casual format? I struggle to even call it casual anymore since EDH has devolved into power-crept auto-include staples and net-decking to win in what once was a novelty game mode. By becoming THE game mode it's gotten worse.
>>96599962But optimal depends on the deck retard. It also doesnt just mean "most expensive". Why would my cheerios deck want cavern of souls? Why would my deck with mainly pips want an ancient tomb>>96600333Print your own cards you pathetic waste. No one should have to put up with such low effort nor is it a virtue.
>>96600428I assume he meant in general for "optimal" play you'd want to own those lands to plug into most decks, not using them in every deck or using them all at the same time.
Should I be running Veyran or Balmor as the general? I know the deck is garbage and would probably get crushed by anything above bracket 1 but I'm trying to make something unique and different. A creature/prowess/token strategy that wins on aggression and speed with tempo cards.https://moxfield.com/decks/T7xECaELREChl2Jj7WAfAg
>>96595938>op pichuh,interesting, thanks. I got some swill to homebrew now
I'm so fucking sick of precons. Every pod is the same ~10 precons and every game is the fucking same
>>96600580Veyran1 cmc more is worth double triggers.
>>96600724so If I cast a brainstorm and trigger my Storm-kiln artist to make a treasure token, I make another treasure token? If I cast a brainstorm then a lightning bolt with veyran and the storm-kiln artist on the field, I get 4 tokens total right?If I have a creature with prowess, they get +2/2 everytime I cast a noncreature spell? they get +3/3 with veyran and harmonic prodigy?Does my nivix cyclops get +6/0 every time I cast an instant or sorcery? if a creature has "prowess, prowess" then does that mean I get +4/4 every time I cast an instant or sorcery? that seems p good, like it can get out of hand if i can manage to swing in
>>96600673>tfw started with the Eldrazi and Sliver precons from CMMGranted I fully kitted them out now, but I found both to be pretty fun.
>>96600859>two of the most boring tribes that build themselves and there's zero nuance to playing them
>>96600787>they get +3/3 with veyran and harmonic prodigy?If that creature is a wizard or shaman what would happen is>Veyran doubles the trigger>Harmonic doubles the doubled triggers for +4/+4Rest is spot on. Doubling in magic is always very strong. Don't get me wrong, giving +1 and trample is also good, but you're not really in a go wide deck, and you don't want to swing in with your triggering creatures if they die unless you win the game.
>tfw you've just drawn Three Visits from the top while there is one in your graveyard
>>96600865>boring tribes that build themselves Meaningless criticism; name 3 tribes that are capable of a coherent game plan that don't "build themselves"
>>96600882Pretty much none, which is why tribal sucks
>>96600580>unique and differentYou arent anon, and thats okay! Just make things you like.
>bought a bunch of cards I already had by accidentName a worst feeling
>>96600890Not that dude, but fuck you nigga I love tribal. My man Krenko and my wife Kreat are the best.
>>96597292Oh my god shut the fuck up and/or die. I started playing with a Fallout precon and I actually really enjoyed Edge of Eternities.
>>96600427Because it uses a lot of cards so WoTC realized that means they can sell more if it's the most popular, now add the fact it uses 4 players instead of 2 and you get double the profit.
>>96600929Stop that, you're not allowed to have fun.
>>96600882Chimera, spider, wurm. That criticism really only applies to the big tribes like elves, dragons, vampires, slivers, eldrazi and a couple others
>>96600929>6 releases since fallout >has enjoyed one of themThis is not a stunning rebuttal you think it is.
I'm an old Dredge Enjoyer. I need a commander where I dump lots of cards in my graveyard. Nothing of this once per turn shit payoff.
>>96600427According to MaRo it hasn't and most players have not even heard of a format still.
>>96600960But those are all fun too. I still find it baffling how anyone can like a deck of random shit slapped together. I like having a cohesive theme to my deck where I'm running an army of dragons, sphinxes, goblins, or whatever else.
>>96600975>im an old...>please do the work for meStop larping. Scryfall advanced, likely golari colours, and graveyard in the text. You'll find something you like in 5 minutes.https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle%3AGraveyard+%28type%3Acreature+type%3Alegendary%29+color%3DBG+%28game%3Apaper%29
>>96600984a theme doesn't have to be a creature type, it can be based pn abilities like etbs, draw, lands etc
>>96600984>this irrelevant thing is baffling to me!>retard cant understand something simpleIt is more fulfilling to create your cohesion than to have the game hand it to you.
>>96600978There's no fucking way this is true in current year. EDH has become the onboarding format.
>>96600975Karador and Coram are nice
>>96601005>>96601007That's gay. I want my decks to be a bunch of goblins or dragons or whatever. Decks that focus on a particular element (e.g. landfall) end up being disgustingly sweaty and don't have visual cohesion.
>>96601033>visual cohesion>laughs in Secret Lair
>>96601033Visual cohesion hasn't been a thing since Mirrodin, anon
>>96601007>create your cohesionTo an extent yeah, but i'd love for someone to explain what cohesion you can make from fucking Chimeras.
>>96601033>visual cohesionUnless all your tribal characters are from the same plane gou dont have this retard. Just making shit up that doesnt computer. All tribes in MTG have variance based on plane, some are bigger than others for example goblins are incredibly different, most just have little tweaks and differing aesthetic roots. Youre retarded stop replying to me.>>96601045Use your brain i have a chimera deck and it performs wonderfully.
>>96601033This is a pure soul. He will lead us back to the spirit of the format.
>>96601061Please dont ironically gas up the UBTourists anon. They're young and cant tell the difference.
>>96601040SLD cards are hit or miss. Their Sliver cards are cool for the most part.>>96601059>>96601042I mean cohesive as in everyone is a goblin. I like to see a deck where the commander is actually the leader of their forces instead of "I picked this commander because it makes the thing happen, but it makes zero sense for a mermaid to be commanding an army of wizards, animals, and some random bum."
>>96601084You have lost your way, son.
>>96601095>visual cohesionAgain... anon. Goblins look different depending on the plane. There is no "visual cohesion" in a goblin deck where they are from 15 different planes and all look wildly different.It makes ZERO sense for a goblin from Ixalan to be commanding Ravnica goblins and vice versa.
>>96601124My original point was tribal looks way better visually than random shit you slapped together for a common effect (e.g. etc, landfall, etc). I'd much rather have a team of goblins, dragons, eldrazi, slivers, or whatever else.
>>96601141Your point makes sense, just ignore him.
>>96601095That is called creativity, anon. It's something you apparently lack. Finding shit that meshes even though it shouldn't is half the fun of building a deck.
>>96601141Which makes zero sense unless its all from the same plane. Ixalan goblins literally are monkeys. How do they fit in visually with the Jewish caricature that is ravnica goblins?>>96601165Youre free to answer the above as well if you think it "makes sense"
>>96601231I don't agree that the aesthetics from different planes are equal to the aesthetic differences between tribes.
>>96601250You dont have to agree? This isnt an opinion, this is objective and instantly visually identifiable.I will reiterate because the question was ignored. How is there cohesion between monkey goblins and jew goblins when neither look anything like the other
>>96601272Not him, but it's a bunch of goblins. That's way more cohesive than random creatures and humans slapped together because of a similar effect.
>>96595938In theory Simic but in practice I don't really think any 2 color pair is fun>AzoriusFaggot stax/control, nobody anywhere wants to play against this pair>OrzhovLifegain, aristocrats, or lifegain aristocrats>BorosPoorly animated background character>SelesnyaSelesnya>DimirKing of being stylish and then dying>IzzetThe phrase "an instant or sorcery" is not a creative aesthetic>SimicUnga bunga infinite resource solitaire>RakdosYou either play group slug or you're just Dimir-but-worse>GolgariUnga bunga infinite resource solitaire (graveyard flavored)>GruulSelesnya for even bigger retards
>>96601283>a bunch of goblinsYou would only know if you read the TYPE line anon and he was very clear about VISUAL cohesion. An ixalan monkey looks nothing like a goblin to begin with, and likewise, looks nothing like a ravnica goblin. You retards are avoiding the question cause you know you made a retarded statement >similar effects>not cohesionMight actually be brain damage, carry on.
>>96601272>This isnt an opinionyou are deranged and that's not ok.
>>96601301No like its just not an opinion that tribes take on different aesthetics based on the plane. And you latched on to the most egregious tribe for this where they will look like entirely different creatures depending on the plane. This is not an opinion, this is how wotc directs their art.
>>96601295What colour/colour combo is fun?
>>96601314rakdos and gruul
>>96601299You're fucking wrong, I just showed one of my co-workers an Ixalan gobin and a Ravnica goblin, quess what they said? They are both goblins! You're just stupid, have autism, and are mentally deranged.
How much chance do I have against a removal player?
>you can't run Avacyn and Akroma together, they're from different planes so they don't fit aesthetically!!!retard argument
>>96601379They are both hot babes so they fit aesthetically
>>96601379It is alright to build deck with characters from Magic the Gathering franchise even if located in different planes, but I would not dare to make a deck with multiple UB franchises together.
>>96601295>hating Boros when they have LightningYou will never know the joys of a pink haired woman murdering someone with a big hammer and five swords.
>>96601412I played Lightning's game on release and it was fucking terrible and she was a terrible protagonist, bitch makes Chandra look like a thrilling and nuanced character
>>96600872>had Kardur Doomscurge Proxy on the field>draw real Kardur shortly after it was funny because I felt how my brain froze for a second
>>96600872>play my paper proxy war room>landwiped>draw and play another warroom a few turns later>oh fuck>quickly shuffle grave and deck>a few turns later>"anon, didn't i remove your card draw piece?">i drew it off the top a while ago>i see... my mistake
>>96600868this isn't correct.veyran says "you get +1 trigger" and harmonic prodigy says "you get +1 trigger." they don't double each other.
>>96600872>>96601493>"Ah sorry guys, looks like I accidentally put a second in my deck. Can I just put it away and draw another?"As long as you don't do it with a notorious card, I don't think anyone minds. Shit happens.
>>96600978>Maro lies >except when he says something I wish waa true!
>>96601124Unfiltered autism
>>96601511sorry guys. mixed up my natures lore with a second three visits. no biggies, right?>proceeds to draw natures lore
>>96601379>love angels>want angel tribal >several of the best angels are selesnya or boros>have to run a naya commander >but no good naya angels>run esika instead since it's at least sort of tribal of divine hot women>build deck >most of the angels are wildly overcosted for their power/abilities>most of the angels abilities suck>most angels don't have tribal synergies>there is no consistent tribal theme to angels beyond a smorgasbord of disconnected white abilities >basically most angels are just horribly outdated design wiseI love my angel tribal deck but it's a strained love. I wish we'd get a lot more contemporary angel support but even post FIRE design angels like those in Foundations or EoE or New Capenna have been largely "meh".
>>96601494If you stack replacement effects right, Harmonic sees the additional trigger from Veyran in addition to the original trigger and gives an additional trigger to both of them.
>>96598571>>96598581>>96598636Nah she's fine
>>96599972Edh-only cards only spike when they're popular in modern standard or vintage
>>96597271A jumpchain cyoa for duskmourn came out recently and it was pretty sweet.
>>96601654any edh staple is between 3-5 euros unless reprinted to death. any edh staple which hasnt seen a reprint in at least 3 years slowly climbs to 8-15 euro.>but card Xnot a staple.
>>96601529No the unfiltered autism is crying about visual cohesion. Me pointing out that it doesnt actually exist is just reality. Its okay you were wrong buddy
>>96599972Who is worse?Based singleton chads that only ever need a single copy of any given fetch land per deck?Or greedy 60 card retardos that syphon up to 4 copies of each fetch per deck out of the market, away from poor EDH enjoyers? Do the calculus
>>96599972Yes anon, it's definitely the fault of EDH. It has absolutely nothing to do with mana bases for every format costing a fortune because wotc refuses to print the fundamental cards every format needs into the dirt. Now pony up and drop 500 dollars on a 24 card mana base for modern like the good little dog you are.
>>96599972Most card prices are driven by 4 of formats for obvious reasons. Although with the introduction of FF paypigs I've noticed a lot of EDH only staples (boots, nature's lore things like that) have also risen.
>>96601700Out of which of your orifices did you pull these numbers, and how did you acquire the confidence to spout them out like they are facts, you retarded donkey
>>96601592this, but for phoenixes >one a set>"showcase" the set mechanic>mediocre self-reanimation >no actual grave synergy >no tribal synergy>not even the best engine for grave decks>
Does anyone here know if the "and/or" text on Sludge Titan means that I can put both a land and a creature into my hand or is it just one or the other?
>>96600031>yoy can actually play with the shit you bought.watch this:>bans ur jeweled lotus/mana crypt/dockside/etc>socially shames you so you cant play certain cards/strategiesits that easy
>>96601956reading the card explains the cardyou can put a creature and a land card into your hand, OR you can put just one into your hand.
>>96601971Thank you.
>>96599972The fuck you smoking? All the super expensive cards are from Standard meta decks.
one of my pals is building a KOS commander and all the others are running some precons with very little interaction. will it be enough if I were to jam an all removal pile to stop the one KOS + 2 precons? and no, I'm not playing combo to win faster instead
>>96602048if you do that you will end up being the bad guy lole
>>96602048it dependswhat's the "KOS" commander?
>>96599972ITT people already forgot straight to commander cards that don't see any play in vintage
>>96599858his ass did not bring haste wilted rose, broken heart, skull emoji
>>96601968don't play stupid overpowered goodstuff then loser
>>96602127Most of those are expensive cause they are pseudo reserve list
>>96602144Maybe if you werent poor youd have nice cards to play with
>>96602144>ban dockside because easy mana>still allow smothering tithe
>>96601124One race, the goblin race.Dont worry about goblins from Tarkir being purple, chud
damn ppl still this buttblasted their op toys got banned?
I want to cast kicked rite if replications. Alot. Recyr it, copy it. The how is unimportant. All that matters is casting my precious. I am going to make 5 copies of cloudkin seer. Then do it again.
>>96602176>4 mana to make treasures over the course of several turnsversus>2 mana to IMMEDIATELY make like 7 treasures on turn 3 plus it can be flickered to do it againCan't think why these cards would have been treated differently that's crazy tbdesu
>>96602079Arcanis
>>96602222is he combomaxxing or is baby's first blue deckI would HOPE it's the latter if he's planning to play against preconsnice numerals btw
Man I played with my old buddies online last night and lost. It was depressing a bit cause I had decent draws but got crushed by a crazy lands combo first gane, lost to crazy ramp into craterhoof 2nd game and lost to crazy amounts of removal 3rd game.Made me realize I actually do need to run my STAX list against good opponents. The competition compared to what ive grown accustomed to at the lgs was way more
I've been on a streak lately with just the bitchiest people, but they seem to get REALLY pissed off when you turn their own shit on them. >blue/white control>drops agent of treachery>I cast radiant performer targets the steal trigger>gain control of all permanents but one>crash out
>>96602256>play UW control>didn't hold up a counterspell when dropping a 7 mana removal magnet creatureWhere do you people find these shitters
>>96602290>readin' comprendehe
>>96602290>deleted itcoward, own your inability to read
wow, pussy
>>96602256you made one steal effect into a board wide one, of course there will be some crashing out
>>96602256What a ridiculous creature Radiant Performer is, I just wished it an instant or something. Could still be worth it in my spellslinger deck
>>96602241I've won many games with this and cards like backlash, metamorphose, relms sketchings
>>96602358>>96602366misquote>>96602289he had a 'spells cant be counter cr
>>96602369>play UW control>turn off your own counterspells>get mad when you can't counter a big playI repeat, where do you guys find these shitters?
>>96602366That's some good shit, but the Performer also hits abilities which is huge. Guess I will just run both anyways
They should have done a Sonic set instead of a Spider-Man one
>>96602419I lot of people who play edh glitch when their edhrec combos do anything outside their script. I had the same thing happen multiple times when playing against Edgar Markov players and they get board wiped.
Improved for the weekend against an Izzet and a Boros player. Wish me luck, lads.
>>96600966>Aetherdrift
>>96602369it was Lier, wasn't it? she is so good for reanimation your spellslinging, but that drawback is huge
>>96602470performer also copies spells that target, like auras.
Thalisse, tatsunari or teysa for my next deck
Thoughts? Didn't know this existed. Didn't know half the big score cards exist until I cracked them desu.
Should I build yurlok, I just wanna piss off my friends, and they keep arms racing each other so I wanna build some more decks that punish just playing value or just be obnoxious without playing pure stun shit
Why is this a .20 cent card? It's "out 2 turns early" green, it tramples, it destroys permanents when it connects, its going rate power/toughness, and when it connects you buff all your creatures. Is this game just so sloppified that anything that isn't broken P/T and doesn't ETB/trigger from just sitting there just considered useless?
>>96602665Not being assymetrical kills any appeal this card has for me. You're already ramping the fuck out of the rest of the table, that's enough of a downside, why do you also have to plan around having mana excess when you're basically handing the tools to everyone else to win with decks actually built to do shit besides ping everyone (including you) to death with mana burn.
>>96602670Its just an okay card in a massively opened set anon im sorry your favorite character isnt 50 bucks
>>96602641I've put him in an Orthion build and that's about it for the 4 or 5 red colour identity having decks I have. Also controlling which opponent instead of them all getting one keeps this viable.
>>96602703>tfw your waifu is $1,000Granted that's for the fancy surge foil, but still.
>>96602670It's destruction effect is narrower than similar effects that can also get enchantments and it's competing with some really strong "everybody gets a counter" four drops like Ouroboroid. It isn't weak it's just an awkward middle ground card that does two good things but there are better options for both individually.
I'm honestly surprised at how well she's been doing, the deck is a lot of fun and I'm caught off guard by how quickly the deck can snowball Even at a table with nekusar, ur dragon, and eldrazis I managed to be archenemy
>>96602641I like him
>>96602771EMRAKUL-CHAN GET DOWN, IT'S A 2/2 UNCOMMON TURNING SIDEWAYS IN OUR DIRECTION
>>96602771Removing a lore counter doesnt cause the saga to trigger right?
>>96602771Sagas are strong so I'm not surprised this is good.
>>96602797correct
>>96602797Seeing shit like fenrir, ixion. Or yojimbo early just does so much work. Along with copying enchantments with a board of summons tearing trough people, or just hitting big with commander damage The deck is super fun to play,cand there's just so much fucking card draw in enchantress I never really run out of gas
>>96596049>loops Lumra endlessly >infinite 2/2s
>>96595938>TQ: What is your favorite 2 color combo?Any pairing in the jund wedge. Absolutely hate Boros and Orzhov, simple as.
>>96596049>Land-based deck huffing copium and raging impotently the attosecond his deck faces even a marginal amount of pushback
>>96602907Cringe. Please leave the thread
>>96600924No this is based actually, because now your collection is perfectly preserved. If a card spikes in price or becomes really good with a particular commander you won't have to pull apart another deck >>96600929>I started playing with the science-fiction set and liked the only other science-fiction set ever printed>>96600942>LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN!!!!
> ordering cards on tcg player> click ye olde optimize button> checkout> wait a week> open package> my deadly rollick was 'optimized' to the SLD printing
>>96603138>I let a machine make decisions for me and didn't check its workOkay?
>>96603149Well 99/100 times I dont care about printings. But ..
>>96603138how hard is it just to look up different printings
>>96602665If your pod is arms racing and learning a thing or two in the process, they want fall for yurloks cheap tricks>>96602689>this is bad, because it's not asymmetrical, everyone will just get burned>but also they somehow get to sink all their mana every time I ramp them into oblivion, while I run no sinks myselfyou can't have both with this one
>>96603182When I added it to cart it WAS the correct printing. But the optimize button changed it.I should have checked but yeh mistakes were made. I might trade it into the lgs or try and find a rube to swap me a real one
I keep seeing people here exclaiming that near perfect or even perfect fakes are everywhere, in the secondary market, you can buy them for pennies, etc... ok where? I want to make a mardu deck with a not-shit land base so show me where to get the cheap shock and fetch proxies that'll fool the normies
>>96600872"Uh oh! this deck is illegal! This extra Three Visits is getting exiled and I draw nothing!"
>>96603282>so show me where to get the cheap shock and fetch proxies that'll fool the normiesNo.
>>96603322So they're not real, got it
>pod wanted to do draft>friend who runs a hobby shop gets us a box of Ixalan for cheap>less than two weeks after ordering it hobby shop friend has a crash out and is currently in a mental hospital>his wife just gives us the packs since we all prepaid and there's no timeline on when our friend will be out of the hospital>packs sit in a box for months since we can't find a fourth>decide to crack them today>2nd pack is roaming throne+foil ChimilWould've been a fun draft. At least I already got my money back.
So are there any other concise ways to turn infinite etb/ltb into infinite mana, aside from Birgi?
>>96603388What colors? >Blue: Peregrine Drake>Red: Any ETB treasure producer (there are probably 20)>White: Flickering mana rocks>Black: I don't play Black>Green: Any dork if you have a way to give haste
>>96603422The context is the dumb Spider-Man combo with Relic of Legends where it gives:- Infinite storm count/cast triggers- Infinite etbs- Infinite ltbsBut nothing else. The infinite etbs are for creatures that don't do anything but perpetuate the infinite.
Fuck it I'm building it
>>96603453Mana Echoes works if you have 30 bucks you want to spendAetherflux Conduit gives you infinite energy which you can then spend 50 of to draw 7 and play stuff from your hand for free, which is not strictly infinite manaIn a funny twist it's also an infinite damage loop with Bontu's Monument, despite it nominally caring about black creatures
PleasantKenobi is already horny posting about the next marvel UB sets while admitting that Spooderman was a flopwtf
>>96603567>PleasentKenobiwtf indeed
>>96603567Is he the one with the fucking funkopops and star wars collectibles in the background?The fuck you think is happening? You think this is a rational and mature person?
>>96603602>>96603606Keep your friends close, and retards closerBecause retards are both dangerous and entertaining
>>96603282Why do you care about fooling normies? Just buy normal proxies from literally anywhere if youre too lazy to make them yourself. God I hate zoomers with a burning passion
Why is this nigga $40
>>966038582 mana draw 2 then 5 mana draw a bunch. Great tempo and great engine to throw down later
>>96603867But isn't that just magical Christmasland? You don't want to be hellbent, and a 4/6 draw on etb is fine but not $40 fine.
>>96603858Because people are straight up retarded and influencers said it was good.It's a bulk rare, blue decks almost never want to have 1 or fewer cards in hand, in fact theres a bunch of blue cards that want you to have a massive handIt's the kind of catch-up mechanic you'd expect to see on white
>>96603879Ok
>>96603858Becausd warp is busted
Which commander will signal to tops I'm really there to get my bussy pounded behind the dumpster after the event?
>>96603704I care because every thread (You) cry that you can get any card you want as a flawless proxy/counterfeit from Chang for $1
>>9660385870% modern 30% standard
>>96603956something selesnya
>>96603967Card seems genuinely bad in modern
>>96603956
>>96603956Any group hug deck
>>96603979Its in every UWx control, scam and reanimator deck since most of them ran ephemerate anyways. cards fine when its not 5 mana
>>96603956For a company as gay degenerate as WOTC is there's surprisingly few clear gay furry twink whose art is all about how sexy this guy's boifoxxuy is
>>96603858draw etb that can be played for 2 then flickered to draw again and cancel the warp outit's just a plain good card in some 60card formats and that moons the price of anything
>>96604006Thankfully wotc only gives us fuckable anthro women
>>96603956Group hug
>>96603956something that can tutor bearscape
>>96604006>y as gay degenerate as WOTC iThey're neither they're short sighted, greedy and incompetent. The gays are cardboard cutouts that can be pasted over for the Chinese market
>>96604010>draw etb that can be played for 2 then flickered to draw again and cancel the warp outOkay so, count with me here, how much did you just spend for draw 2 and a body?
>>96603956>Which commander will signal to tops I'm really there to get my bussy pounded behind the dumpster after the event?
>>966040343 mana for draw 2 and a 4/6 flyer (this statline fucks)and it's a draw 3 if you used ephemerate, which is legal in modern
>>96604044Is Modern just a wildly underpowered format? Cos that fucking sucks. I wouldn’t wipe my ass with that in Commander, I’d cheat out a Con Sphinx
How do I goldfish better? I've been making a Group Slug Nekusar deck and found that it works fine when goldfishing normally but pretty much every deck works fine when left alone. I then started playing it 1v1 against my precon upgrade and it's immediately too slow. Do I just have to start simming 4 player matches?
anvil of bogdanoff
>>96604051>I’d cheat out a Con SphinxCon sphinx doesnt have a built in way to cheat it out
>>96604061Neither does fucking Riddler since you’re saying you need a 2nd card to blink it to get around the Warp
>>96604057Just test shit in forge. I like to set the AI up with my own decks, and play against them. AI threat assessment is about on par with real players (entirely random)
>AI threat assessment is about on par with real players (entirely random)
>>96604051It's just the nature of 60 card formats. Expressive Iteration would be an even better exemple.
>>96604051>I wouldn’t wipe my ass with that in Commander, I’d cheat out a Con SphinxIn commander your consecrated sphinx would live to actually do something. In modern (reanimator at least) you typically want something that does its abilities either on etb or in response to removal like atraxa or griselbrand
Bros someone just rolled up to your pod with a Spiderman commander deck. What do you do?
>>96597292So tired of you faggots. So so fucking tired. I'd write some big spiel but that's more effort than you deserve.
>>96603858>have 2 cards in hand>in blue>somehow>one of them is Quantum Riddler>warp it in>draw 1>oopsie now the 2nd effect is useless>no haste so can’t even attack with itOkay start over>have 1 card in hand>IN BLUE>SOMEHOW>it’s Quantum Riddler>warp it>draw a card>it’s not a draw spell so the second effect does nothingOkay let’s try again>2 cards in hand>blue, somehow, etc etc>Quantum Riddler and blink spell>warp Quantum Riddler>draw 1>blink Quantum Riddler>draw 1 again>2 cards in hand>second effect does fucking nothing again
>>96599962At least you can proxy that shit. I can't proxy 150 dollar dragon ball figures.
>>96604106>im a fat wittle UB piggy and I cry salty piggy tears when people make fun of my slop addictionYea yeah we know
>>96604106>faggots>sIts literally one guy
>>96604117I dont think the card does what you think it does
>>96604002>ephemerateOk it makes sense now
>>96604117Lol dumbass
>>96603858Yeah but the alt art is fucking sick
>>96604220Incorrect scrimblo brimblo on the card
do i finally build teysa
>>96604117retard
>>96604117EDH was a mistake
>>96604248Oopsie did I just make an infite loop oops well gg nerds
Can you get these artworks from play boosters or are they collectors only?
>>96604278Fuck you game is now over
>>96604283Any cool card is collector only. It makes buying play boosters pointless because you'll never see someone open a cool super valuable card.It really kills play boosters to me.
my friends are upset that i decided to stop playing responsibly, and now im playing like them and saying its everyone elses problem unless its specifically targeting me nowlike trying to warn people about the bolas citadel on board but instead someone stroke of midnights my propganda and eventually counterspells my removal on the bolas
>>96604278its already easy to go infinite in most aristocrat decks, i just think teysa is hot and i dont specifically have an orzhov aristocrats
>>96604285We've had this for ages before spiderslop and it's still meh, but at least it comes stapled to an all that glitters+.
>>96604290Well this version and the borderless are in play boosters but yeah it sucks, i do hate collectors boosters.
>>96604283It's in play boosters, I pulled one. The surge foil and extended art foils are exclusive to collectors.
>>96604283You can get that art in play boosters, foil or no. The only collector exclusive one is the surge foil version
Bros... This or Aurelia's Fury in my Gisela deck? Banefire has been a good finisher late game with her up, and not being countered really seals the deal. Aurelia's is more useful, but the not being countered thing makes me worried it will just whiff too much and it's one more mana. I'm in white so I already board wipes.Should I run it over Banefire?
building yuriko with zero rares, wish me luck
>>96604066Except for the built in way to cheat it out for a turn of course.
s*ordfag is now posting in a different general on a different boardthis is not a drillwe may be free
Why are cards like Hullbreak Horror so cheap? Even though everyone says its a good strong card.
>>96604461This might be one of the saddest posts thats ever been posted.
>>96604478multiple reprints, easy to get, only a rare, and only good in specific combo lines so only really in Dimir/Izzet.
Is it like one fag constantly asking why card is cheap or not more expensive whatever this is insane use your fucking head.>it has a bunch of printings>it was heavily opened set>its only played in edh >its not as good as you thinkThis answers pretty much all your price related questions!
Why is le... le sol ring so... so le cheap???? When it's so le good?????
>never run sol ring>turn 2 dark ritual>praetor's grasp>grab someone else's sol ring
>>96604502The answers are usually pretty interesting thoughbeit>it's not as good as you thinkin particular
>>96604461Is it /d/ ?
>>96604585/vg/
>>96596507Lean into the animal modification/morph stuff
So the reserved list is cards that aren't printed any more to keep their value but would reprinting cards with the same effect change the reserved lists cards value? Do people want the old rare card or do they want the old card's effect? Like why not just reprint Wheel of Fortune in a new set? There will still be the old card.
>>96604680Yes
>>96604680Reprinting them would definitely tank their value. Something like Copy Artifact is a really good card, but not $100 good. If it was reprinted in a modern set the new versions would likely hit $3 while the older versions crashed to a quarter of their value.
They should just ban all reserved cards from commander, it's bad for the game that there's casual-legal, extremely good cards that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
>>96604760Honestly I agree, and I say that owning a dozen or so RL cards.
>>9660476099% of the RL isn't even good, why would they ban them?
>>96604782Because someone at my shop friday used three visits to get a savanna and my bootyhole never recovered
>>96604782Because they're essentially unobtainable and nobody should ever have the feel like they can't build the deck they want just because they don't wanna drop an extremely unreasonable amount of money on a play piece.If it doesn't matter in your opinion then why oppose banning them?There's no downside to banning them and no upside to keeping them legal, except for investorfags.
>>96604799have to* feelMy bad for phoneposting.
>>96604799ENTER!Reminder WOTCs official stance is pro play test cards.
>>96604461Who and who cares?
>>96604799>Because they're essentially unobtainablelmao lol
>>96604388Forgot pic, damnit.
>>96604478It's not played outside of edh very often and it's been reprinted into the dirt
I'm getting into MtG and Commander seems really overwhelming to pick up but a lot of fun once you finally get something going.What should I put in my first deck if I want to run an Izzet Vivi deck? I don't want anything already super broken on top of Vivi, but Vivi sounds like he functions as a nice mana generator for some fun combos.
>>96604846Oh well MINIMUM you'll want Mox Opal and Mox Amber and Mox Diamond and a Volcanic Island. You can splurge from there
>>96604846idk if this is a joke or not but you basically said "hey man commander is pretty overwhelming, so I'm gonna make a deck which requires the most constant attention to my triggers to play." maybe reconsider.
>>96604815I mean that doesn't address any of my points, if you wanna rule 0 that proxies are ok then you can also rule 0 that reserved cards are okay, but they generally should not be legal.
>>96604872NoI am committed because I love spellcasting and wizards, I'm willing to rise to the challenge to make something funI don't need anything competitive, just fun stuff to throw in thats interestingSome solid pump card recommendations would be great, so I can throw them on Vivi and generate some instant mana for strong early-game moves
>>96604846standard izzet storm: draw spells, storm payoffs, Guttersnipe, only special thing Vivi does is demand you run Curiosity instead of it merely being a very good ideaalso choose someone besides Vivi, he is the current minute of hate target for a lot of people. you will be treated as if you sat down with a tournament deck.
>>96604882>choose someone besides viviNo I'm just playing with a friend group, they know wizards and black mages have been my thing since forever
>>96604873It does actually. You dont have to rule 0 it, proxies are officially allowed.>no downsideExcept pissing off entrenched players who enjoy playing with their cards because it would make you feel good.>unobtainable90% of the RL is under 2 bucks.
>>96604892>proxies are officially allowed.X
>>96604880Ok so I have good news and bad news. The good news: I am a certified Izzet Enjoyer and I am willing to help you make a list together based on what you want to do.The bad news: You will be the table bad guy, whether you like that role or not, so I would advise maybe coming to your pod wearing a monocle and a top hat. Maybe get your mustache waxed as well. You can also go the Seto Kaiba route and wear a cool coat as you bring the deck in via a steel briefcase.
April 24, StrixhavenJune, Marvel Super HeroAugust, HobbitsNovember, Star Trek
>>96604905>I have good news and bad news>Gives good news twiceSounds interesting
>>96604907
>>96604913Ok, with that established: what is your core concept for Vivi? What do you want the deck to do?
>>96604914
>>96604846If you're new don't make a spellslinger deck or some other comboslop. Build a mindless aggro deck that has a few combat tricks while you learn how to threat assess.
>>96604922
>>96604914Zamn.I should sell sell sell bitterblossom now
>>96604928
>>96604920I want to use Vivi as a mana pump for early-game plays and to build up to lategame quicker. His ability generates mana based on his power, so pumping him prior to using his ability will give him a ton of mana to spring early on. Throwing a +3 pump on him makes it a +4 due to his passive as well, and it can snowball pretty quick from there. I also want Tellah in my deck to get some value out of some big 8+ mana spells. I actually don't know too many good ways to use such heavy amounts of mana just yet though. What are some good high-mana blue and red spells? I know Omniscience is very good so you can dump your entire hand out.
>>96604846>What should I put in my first deck if I want to run an Izzet Vivi deck?A commander other than vivi, he is both busted and takes quite long turnsBut if you insist on Vivi, then just put lots of draw including cards like big score that make mana for you to keep playing spells, cards like Birgi and storm-kiln artist that make mana when you cast spells, cards like stormcatch mentor to reduce the cost of your instants and sorceries, storm cards to pay it all off, etc etcOne izzet storm deck is much like another, the only real difference with Vivi is that his bullshit abilities let you do it much faster and also deal a shitload of commander damage.
>>96604892Pissing off a tiny handful of mentally ill investorfags for the benefit of literally everyone else is a worthwhile tradeoff, yeah.
>>96604996You plebs need something to awe at. Whether it's RL shit or ultra rare soul stones. Something to work towards or aspire to get one day
>>96605019Man it's very dull how his general is just full of shitposters arguing retarded points out of boredom.
>>96604957>I actually don't know too many good ways to use such heavy amounts of mana just yet thoughYou just keep casting spells and drawing cards until vivi is ginormous and then you use your huge vivi and storm spells to punch people out of the game while protecting him with your fat grip of cards. You don't need to cast big spells with vivi, the card is very much about casting lots of small spells.
>>96604922Holy actual shit that's awesome>>96604914Lmao what a flex
>>96604907>continue cycle of old card>but make it 5 times better
>>96595938>friend group at work starts up commander group>want to build more decks to play with them>too much UB slop has killed my motivationwhy do there need to be 9 different versions of spiderman and the avatar crew wtf
>>96604957Vivi is an excellent mana generator and only gets better if left alone, and red has a lot of very good buff spells. First and foremost, you want protection for your commander in the form of Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves. I would also recommend Resurrection Orb but that card's $15. Secondly, you want buff spells for Vivi, which I will recommend a few here: Titan's Strength, Monstrous Rage, Unleash Fury, and Brute Force. You want payoffs for casting these spells, which you can search up via "o:magecraft" on scryfall.com to find a bunch of. A non-exhaustive list: Storm-Kiln Artist, Archmage Emeritus, Veyran, Voice of Duality. Thirdly, you want payoffs for all that mana you're generating! Crackle with Power is probably the game-ender for your deck. You might also enjoy a good old-fashioned Fireball, or Dance with Calamity, or Omniscience + Enter the Infinite to just continue the turn.Having Tellah in the deck is a great idea because eventually your friend group will start hitting Vivi with removal and shut down your mana engine and you'll want a commander who cares about the same things in the deck.
>>96604957Based noita chad
>>96604907Where is this from
This card seems kinda cool.Opinions? Should i build it?
>>96605050Presumably taken off the slides for magiccon atlanta
>>96605053It's 1000% better than the vivifags jerking each other off.
>>96605053it's landfallif you like landfall go for it
>>96605032Dude fuck OFFNo one askedYou are lucky enough to be making new friends with edh and you are on here being a bitch about UB when you could just, idk, make new decks that dont use UB commandersGo build fucking Hashaton or Roxanne or some shit you gigantic retard
>>96605053this is just the ultimate goodstuff commander for those colors
>>96605070>making new friends with edhNah we were already friends. I wouldn't care so much if I could keep the fucking character cards separated, there's like 3 different versions of aang or who ever the fuck instead of filling out the set with actual interesting cards.
>>96604760Truly my commander deserves banning
>>96604996But im not an "investorfag" I simply own some reserve list cards cause they are cheap and good in my decks. Youre dumb and just a resentment fueled dweeb
>>96604928>>96604941I actually really like this guy
How bad of an idea is having my deck depend on Fauna Shaman to assemble my value slop?
>>96605082Yeah it really does everything, i'm surprised the card costs nothing despite not having that many printings.
>>96605150Survival of the Fittest is better
>>96604928>>96604941Y'know what, fair, DFCs for Lorwyn's duality is an easy enough way to represent it. We're getting a LOT of DFCs lately, though. Wonder if all the DFCs in Lorwyn will be able to transform back like Sygg here.
>>96605173Rocco can't shit out an enchantment. I won't buy or proxy a card that expensive. Your point is noted.
>>96604907>day version of figure of destinyIt's kino.
>>96604907>They didn't get Scott M. Fischer to do this art tooShame, it's not like he's not still doing work for WotC.
>>96604914I'm so hype for faerie tribal. Please God don't let them fuck it up with some stupid set mechanic.
>>96604388ANSWER MY QUESTION!
>>96604907> level up but power crept
>Star Trek is basically confirmedThe set better have Gowron and the card better be good.
>>96605505Fuck please be wrong i hate that millenial reddit slop.
>>96605510> Star Trek> Millenialshmmm
>>96605516I know it's popular with even older söygoys too
>>96605510it's boomercore
>>96604388>>96605500yes run banefiregetting around damage prevention and counters is very good for a finisher
>>96599948>>96599834>>96599836Thanks fellas. Looks like options are limited as expected but not entirely impossible. At least red does synergize with artifacts.
>>96605559Voyager staff. I use Zoyowas Justice to this effect (very inefficiently) in Varchild as well.
>>96604155>>96604209>>96604256>>96604270>nah uh! ur wrong!>not a single post can explain whySamefag istg
>>96605706
>>96604434Cool. Except it’s useless for a turn. It’s a draw 1 at best for a turn. Cheat out Con Sphinx and have it love a rotation, you draw 6. Cheat out QR and have it live a rotation, you might still only draw 1.
>>96604227Milhouse will never be a meme
>>96605713>When this creature enters, draw a card.>As long as you have one or fewer cards in hand, if you would draw one or more cards, you draw that many cards plus one instead.>one or fewer cards in hand>FEWERYou will almost never have 1 or fewer cards in hand in blue. Just playing Quantum Riddler replaces itself in your hand. Blinking it replaces itself and rhe blink spell in your hand.The first effect is at odds with the 2nd effect. The 2nd effect is pretty much never going to matter. So what you really have is a 4/6 draw 1 on ETB>w-well I’m gonna Wheel of Fortune and draw 8 instead of 7!!!!!Wow! Such value!
>>96605715cheating out consecrated sphinx requires you have a way to cheat out consecrated sphinx though.it's more cards, it's a stronger card, I'm not (that anon) saying it's not a better or stronger card, I'm saying you need another card to do what you're saying.
>>96605754>>96605754>>96605754
>>96605588>Voyager staffThis is a good one for a quick blink and with the right recursion can be useful.
>>96605738anon if you play it from hand with the blink spell in hand it draws 2 because when it hits the battlefield you only had 1 spell (the blink spell) in hand. This is why everyone was making fun of you, you didn't read the card.
>>96602142the spell literally gives haste to the copies
