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>>96647915
>Fascist Regime
You're damn right it is, hakujin oto.
Honor the Dragon

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Is this a battlemech?

>>96647915
>vengeance
What did they even do?

>>96648152
House Kurita didn't assist the SLDF in fighting Amaris and their loyalists contributed to the Pentagon Civil War, I guess
A long time to hold a grudge for sure but they are clanners after all

How useful would you say an AC/20 Engineering vehicle is compared to a Hetzer? It doesn't have the ammo or armor, but it does have speed. It could probably cause some havoc in cities before it gets blown up.

>>96648216
Why not Saladin

>>96647983
This guy is cooking with fire, we might have a good game on our hands.

>>96648186
I wouldn't say that, Kurita helped Kerensky more than most. Since he despised Amaris so he played both sides. It's the young Marik that had a bone to pick with the old general.

>>96648250
Trying to figure out a poorer PDF army using more generic and less often used by players but probably used more often in universe vehicles.

>>96648340
The engineering vehicle AC/20 isn't really meant to be a weapon, it's a demolition tool. If you're splashing the cash for anything with an AC/20, you're better off getting one made for it. Hetzers are relatively cheap.

>>96648409
I'd probably want a big LRM on an engineering vehicle to use special ammo.

>>96648423
I think the intent is a powder actuated wrecking ball for clearing out reinforced structures. It's pre-star league so there would have been a lot of age of war junk lying around.

>>96648433
Real world engineering vehicles actually used fuck-massive explosive charges for blowing up structures or traps since at least WWII. It's almost like artillery, but very, very short range.

Anyone have a clear explanation of how pilot skill affects the BV of a mech?

I know 5/4 has no effect, but I'm starting to wonder if it's worth sinking points into gunnery and just having a smaller lance with higher damage weapons and better range, or having shittier pilots with a bigger lance and more guns (basically the "sniper vs spray and pray analogy).

Inb4 other unit types, I still don't understand how any of those work yet

>>96648440
The real BT equivalent is artillery cannons but those don't exist until the early 31st century because BT is silly.

>>96648943
Short range, low velocity, high caliber ballistic weapon? Sounds like an ac/20. There should be demolition shells that do double damage to buildings.

I think the LAC/2 is going to come into its own if they follow through with the proposed AP ammo change. Right now they're quite heavy for a weapon with the same range as a PPC and 1/5th the damage. The UAC/2 far outranges it and can do double damage, the LB2-X is better at plinking vees, the RAC/2 is an extended range SRM-6. Anything heavier than 20 tons can safely ignore a 2 damage hit for tens of turns. But if each of those hits has a 1 in 6 chance of doing meaningful damage to any mech, that drastically changes things.

>>96649108
Thats just unbalanced in a different direction. Give both AC/LAC 2s and anti infantry bonus D6, say the standard AC 2 round is a frag burst wrapped around a small armor penetrator core or something. Now it has a niche at least and there is a use case in combined arms.

And now we can make a firestarter II with LAC/2s and plasma rifles.

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>>96647915
>Liam, NOOOO!!

>>96649108
>>96649168
If the changes do go through how long till things essentially become DavionTech?

>>96649289
Not soon enough. Auto-cannon users are the most oppressed group of society.

>>96649289
Always were.

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>>96648824
There is a chart.

Bumping piloting to 4 is useful for assaults.

Bumping gunnery to 3 can be useful for mechs that carry a small number of high damage guns, like the Templar-OI (which also has a C3, in case you wanna use that).

Overall, while it can be useful, it's generally better to have more units. More initiative activations is extremely stronk, and rolling more dice is better. Bumping pilot skills is something I usually reserve for filling out BV (or because I feel like it).

Lastly, if you can reliably keep range, pilot skill upgrades get better. You'll have much better chances to hit at long range.

>>96649414
Generally I put most of my gunnery/piloting upgrades on cheap mediums.

>>96649414
>there is a chart

BT is just chart simulator isn't it.

>>96649414
>>96648824
This makes me want to run a "space pirate" lance
> found/stole some military gear, fixed it up
>goes on random military base raids on less guarded planets
>terrible pilots and gunners
>win by swarm
>run 6/6 running light and medium mechs, tanks and troops
>bv 3k game would give me 4 locusts, a battle master and a tank (maybe 2)

I think this would be hilarious to play

>>96649554
I've run green forces as opfor before, if your goal is to win instead of just being fodder, it's kinda crummy.

>>96649168
There's already specialty ammo for anti infantry applications.

>>96649108
I'm going to bet they either return the accuracy penalty or increase the penalty on rolling. The +1 to hit and the -4 to crit basically made AP ammo worthless. A +1 to hit and -2 to crit or no penalty to hit and a -3 to hit would be improvements that aren't auto takes.

>>96649667
Yeah, my point is that the 2s don't have a niche outside of RAC/2 which is a mid range crit seeker, and thats barely a niche thanks to LBX. Instead of making them a boatable crit maker with new AP ammo rules, put an attribute on them that gives them a use. An inherent bonus against infantry or something accuracy related is easiest to integrate.

>>96649414
Would you rather have a 3/1 or a 2/3 pilot? They cost the same.

>>96647915
Damn fascists

>>96649773
A bonus against infantry is going to be useless the majority of the time. At best you have a long range machine gun for 8 to 12 times as much weight. Being able to generate golden BBs semi regularly is an actual niche.

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What if Wolf’s Dragoons attacked Terra in 3028?

Jaime Wolf traveled there for the wedding of Hanse and Melissa, and he snuck in weapons. He also ended up murdering at least two ComStar agents.

Say ROM caught on and captured him and whoever had accompanied him. Would the Dragoons be able to break through Terra’s defenses to rescue him?
Keep in mind their warships were still on mothballs and months away in the opposite direction.

>>96649843
Seems like a retarded plot worthy of Stackpole.

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>>96649787
assuming gunnery/piloting, depends what mech I'm running.

3/1 on something like Atlas 8-D, Neaderthal, or Berserker. 2/3 on a gun mech. Once your gunnery is that low, it doesn't make that big of a difference. The biggest % differences for TNs are 6<->7<->8 (+/- 16~%, picrel).

>>96649441
I feel this qualifies under the "fill out your BV" thing I mentioned? Any particular examples of where you feel this is more impactful?

>>96649471
I FUKKEN LOEV CHARTS

>>96649831
A niche that is is outclassed in by an LB-5X. What is the use case for a (L)AC/2? The gun and ammo require 5 tons and 2 crits for perhaps the most suboptimal performance on the table. Its like it exists just for flavor, so you can imagine small shells pinging off your mech with no effect.

>>96649872
>Any particular examples of where you feel this is more impactful?
I'd rather a 3/5 Vindicator or Enforcer than a 4/5 Griffin or Wolverine. Also things like a Panther or Rifleman 3C. Cheaper mechs that can hit hard.

>>96649890
The LB-5X is going to have 3 chances to have a 3% chance of a TAC that will be confirmed 40% of the time. LAC/2 with AP ammo under the new rules has 1x 100% chance of a TAC that is confirmed 17% of the time.

>>96649890
LACs can use precision ammo

>>96650051
So a (L)AC/2's only use is to spam crits and not really factor in damage. That doesn't really fit with the feel of the game. But will make blackjack, maulers, and kraken hilarious to play.

>>96650062
Yeah, but thats still a wash really against LB-5X with its cluster bonus.

>>96650090
-2 is q lot better than -1

>>96650143
A situational -2 vs a constant -1 that turns to -3 against flyers. And can be traded out for a 5 point hit. Really stretching to say the 2s can compete there.

>>96650090
>>96650191
A LAC/2 is half the weight of an lb5x, so you should be comparing two of them vs a single LB.

>>96650191
"Situational"

Oh no, it doesn't work when you don't need it

It looks like with the new movement rules proposition the existence of leg blown off state hangs in the balance.

https://battletech.com/playtest-battletech/feedback-discussion/topic/vote-leg-destroyed-or-blown-off/

>>96650191
Comparing two LAC/2s with 2t (one prec) ammo vs one LB-5X w/2t ammo:
if the opponent stands still the LB-5X has a 1pt damage advantage with the same to hit. Using cluster the LB-5X has a 1pt damage disadvantage with a -1 to hit.
If the target moves 3 hexes, the LB-5X has a 1pt damage advantage with slug, with a +1 to hit. With cluster it has a 1pt damage disadvantage with the same to hit.
If the target moved 5 or more hexes, the LB-5X with slug has a 1pt damage advantage with a +2 to hit. With cluster it has a 1pt damage disadvantage and a +1 to hit.

https://battletech.com/playtest-battletech/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2025/09/BattleTech-Playtest-0200-Mobility-Rules-9-29a.pdf
Playtest rules #2 is up

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>>96650800
Hmmmm

>>96650958
He's not wrong, by comparison to a lot of 80s hex and chit games, BT is downright simple. There's no result matrices, you aren't comparing an autocannon that does 8.4 damage to armor type A and 6.3 to armor type B with one that does 5.1 to A and 7.1 to B, but only within the first 5/7ths of its range band.

>>96650958
He's right. You should check some boomer fossils and the games they play, we're talking historicals where a 2vs2 with planes takes four-five hours and requires physics calculations.
I'm not exaggerating. Btech, for the time, was playable by middle school kids.

>>96651133
>>96651048
I'm running a Phoenix Command campaign in 3 months.

>>96650958
Shot across the bow at AS.

>>96651164
Impressive. Happy for you. I'm dealing with people that find Classic Btech a scary dinosaur from the 80ies because it has a couple tables. As much as we can dislike it, wargaming design has developed from the endless sperging on tables for pseudo-simulative results, it is how it is.

>>96651427
>As much as we can dislike it, wargaming design has developed from the endless sperging on tables for pseudo-simulative results, it is how it is.
Thankfully we live in an era where Battletech gaming aids are more available than ever.

Movement Dice allow both me and my opponent to not have to memorize Movement Modifiers.
One guy in my group even has a colored acrylic template that shows your Arcs.

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I'm curious, does anyone here like the cappies? I've never met anyone in person who favors them.
Me, I've always favored the underdog and I like chinese and russian history. also they're easily the funniest house.

>>96651759
>I'm curious, does anyone here like the cappies?
Sure, as targets. I will admit they have some pretty nasty designs, but these are pretty much all the result of the bullshit magical rearmament and culture shift that is Xin Sheng, and some outright author wanking (i.e. the Hell's Horses in Stone's Coalition being so enarmored with the Jinggau that they purposefully mass-salvaged and clan-upgraded the things)

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>>96651857
hell yeah

>>96651741
I'm honestly not sure if that's a good thing, you don't get stronger by lifting lighter weights and battletech isn't that heavy to begin with.

>>96651759
I enjoy their way of waging war. ECM and Stealth tactics in general is a very underrated way to use mecha.

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>>96649271
>Leaves clan smoke faguar
>Completely blunts clanner assault on fascist planet
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves

>>96651741
this is degenerate brainrot. I bet you dislike the hit facing tables too.

go play AS.

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>>96651759
They are my boys, for better or worse. I generally prefer the Big MAC because my intro to the game was through their sourcebook/scenario. 3025 is a madhouse of ragtag forces doing the impossible, even by the standards of the era. As the timeline goes on, they get some very slick mechs at the cost of becoming not-China. They turn their limited mech production towards reasonably high-spec machines with stealth capabilities and triple strength myomer. Xin Sheng is very much an asspull, but it turns out that having everyone else deal with the Clans, Jihad, and a whole bunch of ther bullshit means you get to rebuild in peace. They hide a bunch of material then try to invade the RotS. The ilClan-era fluff seems to be a return to form for them since they lost so much material and got nuked a bunch.

Tl;dr Underdogs who got swole, and are back to being underdogs after gwtting their ass kicked.

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>>96651857
Look how perfect he is! How could you say no to that nose?

>>96651759
I like that they fight tooth and nail and that the Chancellor should theoretically be chosen by merit, but really they're just going to end up a Canopian proxy.

>>96651934
>you don't get stronger by lifting lighter weights
And a Paraplegic won't become a better tap dancer without the right shoes; You gotta know what your limitations are.

>>96651998
>I bet you dislike the hit facing tables too.
No, I have a tiny one printed out on my Box-o-Death!
Most in my group just have them on the Record Sheet.

Everyone post your Capellans, now!

>>96651857
Sure, as targets
seems to be their function in 3025 lore and mech-wise, except for the vindicator of course.
>>96651943
>>96652018
very cool, i'm looking forward to their golden age.
i just finished Warrior: Riposte and I am really hoping they get to do something cool in the last book of the trilogy. at the book's ending they're just getting shit on.
also fuck you Hanse, Max actually attended your wedding and this is what you do to him? i was hoping Justin Xiang was going to hurl a plate at his ass or something.
>>96652050
i like the 'century-of-humilitation' vibe they're constantly on the verge of lol

>>96652041
>How could you say no to that nose?
Inscribed on a Gauss slug, if the 'mech is still in Cappie hands. As salvage, I'd ride it.

Also dare you to glue a dick and a ballsack on that Huron Warrior, as Manitou intended.

>>96652083
In Hanse's defense, Max did try to replace him with a mindwiped duplicate. That might make him a little cranky.

>>96652111
He's already been inked and sealed for a while, but I'll see what I can do.

>>96652224
Bonus points for making it an MG or AP Gauss with identifiable ammo.

>>96649414
>More initiative activations is extremely stronk,
That's underselling things. Having more units is basically a 100% guarantee of victory. Being able to move multiple units last means you can always choose how and when to engage your opponent. It would allow even a light lance to kill and assault Mech 10 out of 10 times.

>>96652050
Sorry, didn't realize you were in a persistent vegetative state

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Xotl is having a live interview again. Anything you guys want to ask?

>>96652259
Where's my Leviathans Kickstarter stuff, and why did CGL fulfill the Mercs KS first, when the Leviathan KS finished first? Why does CGL hate Leviathans when it's the only IP they actually own, and why won't Rem do any good marketing for it outside of the absolute bare minimum?

>>96651759
Cappies are awesome. Stealth is cool, and while I hate that they lost the Russian flavor, being Chinese is the future of humanity anyway, since all the western nations are imploding from freedom and degeneracy.

But what I really like about them is the fact that their nakedly authoritarian, and don't even pretend that everyone deserves equal rights. If you want any rights as a Capellans, you have to earn them. They aren't just given to you at birth. More countries should take rights away from people until they've been earned, that would make sure that people actually value their rights, and would keep undesirable people on the bottom run of society in their proper place. America could do a lot worse than adopt a system like this. Everyone having freedom was obviously a mistake, forcing people to earn their freedom, or else be disposable laborers, would go a long way towards making America great again.

>>96652259
When are the tables being canonized, or expanded to 3067?

>>96652083
Please share your reaction here when you finish the 3rd book.

>>96652282
Did you know that being fat makes you stupider? Fat people are already predisposed towards being stupid, but actually being fat knocks a few points off the IQ

>>96652282
The Mercs KS isn't even finished. They're sending out a fourth wave now

>>96652354
Xotl doesn't really look fat tho

So what else explains wanting to change the rules?

>>96652250
>Having more units is basically a 100% guarantee of victory.
Not necessary, we've seen a Stalker take on a Pixie/Wasp/Stinger trio and pretty reliably win in this very thread; Numbers need Logistics to work.

>>96652255
>Sorry, didn't realize you were in a persistent vegetative state
Oh piss off!
My rote memorization is especially shit; I have to multiply on the spot in my head than have a huge table memorized, but I'm a damn sight faster at mental math anyways.

>>96652305
>forcing people to earn their freedom, or else be disposable laborers
Says a White Collar Desk Jockey whose probably pissed a cell phone can do his entire job these days.

>>96652224
>noooo you can't try to maintain your sovereignty through subterfuge you have to go out and die to my legions that outnumber and outgun you!
I really don't see what other course was open to Liao, though perhaps trying to forge an alliance with Marik instead of funding his enemies could have helped.
>>96652305
earning your rights should certainly make a comeback, and there are so many ways to implement it that I wonder which would work best for which nationality.
service earning citizenship (ala Starship Troopers), or only the land-owning class having voting rights (america at its inception), or even complete freedom for the lower class but no rights either until earned somehow (i'm thinking of a variation of the expanse's UN)
>>96652338
will do! to get my feelings written down before i start, i'll say that Justin Xiang is easily my favorite character and I hope he gets to stay in a mech in the third book. also i'm betting Morgan Kell beats Yorinaga but dies or goes back into exile.
also i hope the cappies are able to get some victories against the feds

Xotl really only plays with the Battletech Compendium? Then why the fuck is he writing the rules?

>>96652083
Operation DOPPELGANGER wasn't mentioned in Warrior books?

>>96652371
That was in response to the last part of the post.

>BV 2.5 is largely done but will need playtesting; no hard date no playtesting schedule yet

>>96651741
>to not have to memorize Movement Modifiers
How hard is it to count hexes?
3...5...7...10
Wow, so hard. I NEED to buy a game aid for that.
But what is MY shooting modifier?
Walk +1, Run +2, Jump +3
Literally impossible to remember without spending $25 on special markers.
Looking at lines on a hex map? No, I must lay down this template that follows the lines on the map instead.
Nut up, stupid. You're putting training wheels on a car.

>>96652440
I shouldn't have to memorize anything. That's how a game works. All the information I need should be displayed on the playing surface. Requiring memorization is an unreasonable expectation by the devs, and it's a barrier to entry.

Where the heck am I supposed to get a hardcover copy of Total Warfare? Will CGL restock soon? What kind of company doesn’t have their own dang core rulebook on hand for months at a time?

>>96652451
The kind that is replacing it soon.

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>>96652382
>to get my feelings written down before i start, i'll say that

>>96652440
>it's 3 5 7 10 18 25 instead of 3 5 7 9 11, 3 6 9 12 15 or something
damnit it triggerw my ocd

>>96652506
A standard 4/6 heavy can't get a +2 if it makes more than 1 facing change or deals with more than 1 level change or light forest hex. Stuff like that was likely the reasoning behind the numbers.

Xotl confirmed BV 2.5 incoming. Hold onto your butts.

>>96652440
>How hard is it to count hexes?
It's not counting the hexes, it's remembering how many you moved!
Easy when you only have a single mech to keep track of, exponentially harder with each additional mech.
Sure you can use a regular D6 for that, but the Movement Dice give you ALL the relevant information at a GLANCE.

>>96652536
>A standard 4/6 heavy can't get a +2 if it makes more than 1 facing change or deals with more than 1 level change or light forest hex
See this?
This is the kind of minor thing that fuck your entire order of Operations up if you forget it, which again, becomes exponentially more likely the more units you are keeping track of.

>>96652652
Can you not count two numbers at the same time? Take the MP you used and subtract the number of facing/elevation/terrain changes from that. It's elementary.

>>96652447
Maybe you should stick to computer games.

>>96652406
>Operation DOPPELGANGER wasn't mentioned in Warrior books?
It does come up in the last book and it is kind of glorious, how it is done.

>>96652666
Now do it four times FAST!
Seriously, you bitch that people are scared off by the charts, then bitch about Movement Dice addressing that very issue!

>Dimwits:
"I can't count hexes or figure out firing arcs!"
>Midwits
"Lol just memorize everything, retards"
>Genius
"Here's $0.10 worth of plastic gaming aids, that'll be $30. Please loudly argue about using them for free advertising."

>>96652707
>>Genius
>"Here's $0.10 worth of plastic gaming aids, that'll be $30. Please loudly argue about using them for free advertising."
I mean I'm not against someone making their own, I actually forgot to mention how you can 3d print shit like GATOr gates to lay the math out in an orderly faction.

>>96651857
Weird thing is how an inner sphere state backed by the FWL gets so much shit for building a handful of mech regiments during the Xin Sheng era but a periphery state pulls even more mech units out of thin air and it’s barely mentioned, even though they end up fighting for the Capellans and contributing to Xin Sheng.

>>96652700
I don't bitch about anyone being scared off by charts. Retards stay filtered. I'm not interested in playing with people who need to subvocalize while reading.

>>96652791
it would really help me if you domvocalized while you read.

>>96652728
You don't seem smart enough to 3d print your own stuff

>>96652825
anon said you, not me (them). (You) are the one doing the printing.

So how's that for smart? Huh? Bet you feel like a big dumb dumby rn.

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I painted a dinky car.

I dunno what it is meant to represent. some mobile hovercraft HQ sorta deal I suppose?

I stole it from a child.

>>96652825
>You don't seem smart enough to 3d print your own stuff
Perhaps, I'm not exactly motivated to deal with it and should learn 3d Modeling first...
...But I've got a brother-in-law with an entire set up!

>>96652873
>I stole it from a child.
The fuck is wrong with you?

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I have some mechs in my mercenary unit that need pilots, except the battle cobra that's a tukayyid vet who realized the clans were gay and signed onto the first merc unit that replied back but that's all i have for him, no clan/name

>>96651427
I told people if you can cheat on a test you can play battletech.

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>>96652883
I like lying on the internet.

Can you guys recommend me some vehicles that the pirate band might use to transport looted/pillaged goods?

>>96652652
>Sure you can use a regular D6 for that, but the Movement Dice give you ALL the relevant information at a GLANCE.
The colored d6 gives you all the information you need at a glance if you're not a retard. The color tells YOU what YOUR firing modifier is. The number of pips tells YOUR OPPONENT what to add to THEIR target number for THEIR attack dice roll. HOW is this too complicated for you?

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What is the turnaround time on jumpships like? Reading some interstellar expeditions and looking at the deep deep periphery in general how long would it actually take to get so some of these places on the edges of the map?

>>96652979
>The color tells YOU what YOUR firing modifier is.
Oh, so now I need special colored D6s?!

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>>96652978
flatbed

>>96652993
They obviously wouldn't help you anyway, but no, you technically don't even need to use the colored d6s that many tabletop gamers just happened to have from other games. If you can't remember if a mech walked, ran, or jumped you're probably too stupid to play this game anyway.

>>96652988
Rule of thumb is a few days to a week of transit travel to the actual jumpship, a week per jump (to recharge, the actual jumps are functionally instant), one jump per 20-30 lightyears (30 max, but it's very risky to jump out into the void, if the next systems over are 20 and 45 LY away, you should jump to the 20), then another week to transit from the jumpship to your destination.

>>96653037
>If you can't remember if a mech walked, ran, or jumped you're probably too stupid to play this game anyway.
Well if I'm going to be getting dice to indicate BattleMech Movement anyways, why NOT get Movement Dice?

>Warrior H-7
>Mass: 21 tons
Ahdiddjdiensbs Blake save me how can this be allowed

>>96653154
Vehicles used to be built with fractional accounting by default for some reason. Not mechs, just vees.

>>96653180
It's not fractional accounting, vehicles just use 1 ton increments instead of 5 and this is still true, even though most still have weights that fit with 5s anyway. It mainly comes down to how vehicles don't have a structure chart like mechs do.

>>96652250
>Having more units is basically a 100% guarantee of victory.
So an invasion era IS lance will stomp a MadCat?

>>96647915
>Three white characters on-screen
I thought Battletech was brown? That's what Battletech by Paradox taught me.

>>96653335
yeah

>>96653323
O Toyama not this again

"We did an awful job at designing maps with water on. So we're removing all negatives and tactical decision making regarding a major terrain type."
Seriously, ffffuck cgl!

>>96653323
Using good grogtech generally will drown clanners in armor, yes. This has been the strategy for over 30 years. That's partly because armor is undervalued in BV though.

He doesn't know. No one tell him.

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>>96652078
These are my Capellans (WIP)

>>96653037
>If you can't remember if a mech walked, ran, or jumped you're probably too stupid to play this game anyway.
Have you ever fielded more than a lame in a game?

The SLDF remnants stopped at the pentagon worlds because they would go no further, but I've seen it mentioned before that kerensky was looking for something or somewhere specific. What was it that he was searching for?

>>96653630
Most speculation was that he either didn't have a plan at all and just said that, or he was hoping they'd all die along the way because he was fucked in the head. He may have changed his mind on that after finding somewhere almost habitable.

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>>96652078
Service guarantees citizenship!

>>96652851
I wish canada had better gun laws so you could buy one and kill yourself with it.

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>>96652078
I really need to get an updated photos of my Red Lancers.

>>96653808
Don't love the scheme, but credit where credit is due you did a neat job of it.

>>96653813
Now we're talking, that griffin is Sex.

If you had to marry any Battletech human female, which would you choose?

>>96652591
we're only on 1.2 as is

>>96651934
But you get leaner by LOSING fat, so LOSING cognitive tasks in the game makes you lean.

(your metaphor was stunningly baseless and stupid, as is mine)

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>>96653884
My anime waifu avatar I installed into my Marauder IIC I stole from them Jade Falcon Turkeys.

>Changing the rules to make water more usable
Do we like this?

>>96653884
idk, is there anyone in lore that has notably large boobs?

>>96653946
Lori Kalmar's were canonically big enough to use as pillows

>>96653945
Yes, unanimously we do.

If anyone pops up after this to say it's a bad change that's just me joking around. I get silly in threads, to have fun with everybody.

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>>96653884
Selah Bey

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>>96653945
Only if it ends up with us getting more underwater battles/maps.
If not then it's ASS

>>96653930
Australian opinions are invalid.

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>>96653829
Thanks amigo. One day ill get a group photo of them finished.

>>96654012
Sexy Thud

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>>96653884
Ronin, my beloved.

>>96653630
Star League portal to Agartha

>>96653933
Is this real, is this a thing that can be done in BT?

>>96654087
They have holographic projectors, so sure. Your CO/mechtech might punch you in the mouth, but you can do it.

>>96653933
I knew I should have specified biological.

>>96654087
In the form of a modern day chatbot AI, sure.

>You will never have a muscular baggy work pants and tank top wearing mechtech GF who berates you for taking more combat damage than necessary while also complimenting you for being very brave in battle

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>>96654148

>>96654131
Having your waifu read out tactical updates and identify enemy mechs would be neat.

>>96654087
The picture was taken from a short story where a Clan Ghost Bear Warrior received an Osiris.

Osiris in question was heavily modified before being received and was extremely annoying, pumped out perfume and played "Missiles are firing" whenever the SRMs where triggered and would overlap with each tube firing.

He would try and get rid of it over the years but grew fond of the girl and kept her but dressed up in Ghost Bear gear with bear ears.

Short story is in Shrapnel #14 and called The Great Work.

>>96653823
Thanks. I know quartered isn't an exciting scheme, but I wanted to do something that was distinctive and that I hadn't done before. If I was a better painter I might have tried something like the fat tiger stripes the WIP guy was doing.

>>96653812
that's not very nice.

>>96654012
your marauder has a droopy gun. :c

>>96653945
It seems okay? I've only ever put a mech in a water once, and it fell over and exploded. It seems to still do that so I'm fine with it.

What's the dropship to go for rapid deployment/stealth mission? Delivering a lance or even smaller number of mechs?

>>96654325
99.9% of all dropships are going to be Leopards or Unions or Overlords or one of their Clan upgrades.

>>96654330
Hey, I'll have you know that there's always a neverending stock of Manatees for whoever you're fighting to use so you can shoot them down by the dozens.

>>96654325
Manatee that's legally owned and operated by Triple F Burger.

>>96652259
I'm excited by the promise of more interesting weather/battlefield condition rules that aren't just to-hit penalties.

>>96654325
Mule or Danais. Blend in with civilian traffic until it's too late.

>Case is just built into Clan mechs as standard
>The IS, for some reason, has yet to figure out how to do this
I...I don't understand. It's basically free.

>>96654012
DRAGON. HONOURED.

>>96654521
The required Korok seeds and great fairy fountains only show up on worlds that have been occupied by the children of kerensky for twenty years or more.

>>96654529
He doesn't know...

>>96654531
Honestly, the IS shouldn't be as behind the clans as they are at this point. It's like they are trying to not advance.

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>>96654529
I honor the dragon in a different way

>>96654567
Lovely.

>>96654567
boaty McBoatface ruins it by looking so retarded. not even your paintjob can save it, no matter how neat and cool it is.

>>96652250
This is always identifying the wrong element when the truth is that assault mechs are frequently kind of shit and that it's not very difficult to get them at your optimal ranges/positioning then count up to 20 damage over and over till they stop trying to get back up.

Assault mech veneration is frequently a symptom of playing videogames with no toppling and where all the enemies come to you.

>>96654778
>It's a boat
>Not a bandanna
>Called the Gunslinger

This is why I like the old sculpt for it.

Would it help if a child or smol person pilot the Assassin? Or will it break the mechwarrior's spine regardless of the pilot's size?

>>96654866
It's a battle-patio. Should have been a porch, but they ran out of funds to embezzle.

>>96654325
The one that looks like it's divebombing an area but it's actually shitting out a bunch of jump infantry. Bonus points if it's modded to shit out battle armor

>>96647915
Wonder what would have the CJF and CW commanders have called their corridors' regime
>House Steiner and their feudal regime?

>>96655320
I guess one thing they can pin on them is being wasteful for covering up poor skill by spending materiel.

>>96655090
What are you suggesting Girls und Mech again?

>>96655565
Well I was thinking about buying an Assassin model for mydudes, but can't help but feel bad for the poor sod assigned to it

>>96655699
There isn't really anything can find in rules that says being small doesn't negate the cramped cockpit quirk. Don't think there is anything in the RPG either though could be wrong there?

Assassin is a weird mech that could easily be fixed but all the variants are bad because explicitly in universe it's bad.

>>96655862
Its basically designed to bully 20 tonners and that's it.

>>96655939
It could bully Jenners and spiders.

>>96655978
Unless the Assassin gets insanely lucky I am pretty confident that a Jenner is going to eat it alive.

>>96655939
>>96655978
Drop the LRM-5, replace it with a medium laser, two small lasers and a flamer and you have a mech that can eat bugs, infantry, and vees.

>>96656010
Agreed. If only there was a variant that did just that with introtech. Hell I'd settle for just dropping LRM5 and using it grab a second medium laser and either another SRM or upgrade the SRM launcher. Load it with infernos and you got something that can fight bugs, devastate infantry and crit vehicles to death.

>>96656029
Even the later variants that take advantage of weight saving tech don't do it justice. Sucks to suck I guess.

>>96656035
About the only ones I would call decent are the customs but even then what you get isn't remarkable. Servitor would be a great bug bully if it wasn't the 3060's where 11 hexes is starting to be considered walking speed for lights and ones that aren't are incorporating "fuck off you're too close!" weapon systems. Alice is well decked out for equipment but I feel you could achieve a similar result with a pair of Nexus II's.

>>96653546
Please learn to take better pictures, it makes your mechs look way worse than they are.

>>96656518
What's wrong with them? What can be done better?

>>96654251
>Osiris
What a strange goblin of a mech. 8/12/4 is a unique movement profile and I guess every TRO:3067 mech had to have a machine gun on it

>>96656840
From a photography perspective, lower angle, darker/cleaner table or table cloth (not black, but also not the same brown as you have them painted with), different lighting (try cooler but brighter lighting for the colour scheme you've got going on. Maybe at the warmest, try daylight temp)

Fan them out, semi-circular, so all of them are visible.

>>96657240
>>96653546
Having said that, the mechs do look really cool and well done once you zoom in. Zoomed out though, they look amateurish. Didn't know a bad backdrop and bad lighting in a Pic could make that big of a difference

>>96657240
>>96657262
Alright, thanks for the feedback. I'll keep that in mind when I want to take better pictures.

Is there any in lore reason why TSM and MASC isnt rolled into a single new generation of myomer and made standard in battlemechs? Seems like it should be a thing by now.

>>96657418
Is this a question like "If there are ATM launchers, why are there still SRMs and LRMS?"

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>>96657418
TSM and MASC are mutually exclusive technologies.

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Oh gawd

>>96658596
God is dead and we killed him.

What's a better nickname for a (former) firestarter pilot, Friar or Bernie?

>>96658596
I'm not curious enough to go check myself, why would he call it that? Is it reimagined as a gimmick Marauder unit like Miller's Marauders? Because that's a shitty title otherwise.

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>>96658331
>Heat makes your run faster and punch harder
>You can run MASC on top of that
>Hell, throw a supercharger in while you're at it
Imagine the speed!

>>96653335
>perez
>white
Yes I know how bloodnames work, doesn’t matter

What is your favorite mech, and how many 5/6 Stinger STG-3Rs do you think it could take in a fight, assuming it had a 3/4 pilot?

>>96658732
you can put TSM and SC on the same mech.

you cannot put TSM and MASC on the same mech.

>>96658956
Not yet.

Anyone read those mech books Pardoe wrote after he got the boot? Apparently he's up to 9 of them now. I decided to give one a try since it's on KU, and 100 pages in there's been like 8 different POV characters and 0 mechs.

All these new rules seem to do is make Speed more valuable than Armor, which it already is. And Pilot Skill less valuable than Gunnery Skill, which it already is. Speedy 2/5s with SRMs become even better than they already were, but the game doesn't really benefit from streamlining or balance and in some cases it becomes more complicated.

>>96659168
>tarcomp pulses ur legs off

>>96659110
Pardoe has always been a sperg with a self deluded sense of grandeur. He was a mediocre writer at best. The only thing CGL did wrong when it came to him was not giving him the boot earlier.

>>96659192
It's almost like taking a game designed around averages and making certain things more reliable breaks your game

>>96659211
How would you rate Stackpole?

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They should redo the LAM rules next.

>>96659296
Yeah when you enter Airmech Mode you roll 2d6 and on a 5+ you explode

Scenario: Interface cockpits and the relevant implants become safe and cheap to the point where adoption approaches 100% among new mech production. Do the combat value of tarcomps, pulse lasers and good gunnery skill go down due to higher base bonuses, or up because the stacking compounds more?

>>96659251
>Hackpole

>>96659329
Stays the same because at a certain point you just ignore opponents bonuses so theres still value. Maybe a little down but probably not especially if you use Extreme or LOS rules

>>96659251
What >>96659335 said
Stackpole tends to write characters that would roll a 1 on a 2d6 and expect you to believe it. He tends to write himself into a corner then try to bullshit his way out of it.

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>>96659251
Could be better

>>96658665
Barbie Q

>>96659296
Air Dragon

>>96660117
Jenner LAM.

>>96660410
Spider LAM, the most menacing of all menaces. Gonna steal so many blown off arms.

XLFE, endo, and FF on LAMs when?

>>96660522
Whenever you want if you're not a coward afraid of the Illegal quirk.

What do you guys think of MWO designs/sculpts?

>>96660557
I think there's one or two that look good, I like the awesome. But for the most part they're ugly

>>96660557
Pretty middle of the road. I liked some of them and others aren't too hot.
Ultimately I respect them, though. Believe it or not there was once a time where battletech was mostly played with those designs 3d printed.

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>>96660557
some are better. I think the piggy atlas looks more menacing. giving it a gorilla body proportionally to its head just makes it look more powerful. and I think the face just looks colder and more impersonal. just looks more like inevitable death marching towards you.

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>>96660608
the biggest mistake with the sculpt is giving it angry face imo.

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>>96660621
seems to be an odd disconnect with the official renderings though, for some reason they didn't give it angryface.

>>96660627
It has the same "angry eyebrow" panel lines. I think it's just the angle. If that render was more from above it would look angry.

>>96660621
the cgl sculpt is the weakest atlas face imo. I think it's the mouth, if it was just the top jaw like on the mwo one I think I'd like it more

>>96660662
I think it's the nose

>>96659296
>Give LAMs all the weight saving tech that other mechs get
>But they have fewer slots because of the transformation mechanisms
>Can hover in place to give themselves a buff to evasion if they have not moved
>But will have lower movement next time they move because of slow acceleration from a hovering standstill
Any other ideas?

>>96660674
LAMs can already hover in place. It's the worst part of them using WiGE rules is that they don't even use the actual WiGE rules, because they aren't WiGE. They have major exceptions to everything that governs WiGEs.

>>96660659
fuck dude I wish you hadn't said that. I didn't even see that. now I hate it even more.
I was thinking of the angle of the eyes though, the top of the eyes are angled down but on the model the top of the eyes are level.

>>96660708
Just change the rules. Brainstorm, anon! BRAINSTORM!

>>96659296
Yeah, by fucking deleting them and any mention of them ever again. Fuck LAM's, they were a stupid idea.

>>96661056
You're a stupid idea.

Speaking of LAMs, are they organized in lances of 4 like mechs or flights of 2 like ASF?

>>96661226
They were fielded in whole battalions in the SLDF, and the Great Houses kept fieldung them en masse until they couldn't anymore. Past a certain point I'd say in air lances of two, to take advantage of being able to stick them in the ASF bays on dropships. Past another certain point, in singles due to rarity, of course.

>>96661341
Unless they were fielded in groups of 6 because they could be aired in both mech bays and ASF bays. It would certainly make the logistics around moving a LAM battalion easier.

With the Battletech Gothic stuff out has anyone posted scans of the rules and the stuff?

>>96658718
It's fox patrol, with the exact same characters. Because Young can only write one type of character when he is not using AI to write for him.

>>96660627
That looks more like a shart its pants face.
>>96661391
Don't think anyone here bought that bundle of toilet paper?

>>96660621
>>96660627
Grandpa atlas forgot his dentures.
"Back in my day we did not have double heat sinks we used bracketed fire.."

>>96658718
I spent, admittedly short, time reading it. It's as shit as I expected

>>96660557
There’s a few that really knock it out of the park, like the Centurion and the Huntsman, but quite a few misses too. I 3D print most of my minis, and usually if I can find a sculpt for a given mech that isn’t a MWO rip I will go with that instead. Most custom sculpts either have a cooler rendition of the mech or are better suited to printing and painting.

Are the mech miniatures to scale with one another? I know there are minis of air ships and pods that are vastly different scale, but are the mechs themselves generally at the proper scale compared to one another on miniatures? I don't know if I worded this question in a way that makes sense.

>>96658165
NTA, but there's gameplay differences between l/srms and atms, enough to justify all three's existence.

But just like how clanmechs get case built in because of improved manufacturing processes over time with no downside, tech like TSM really should become standard for all new mechs at some point. TSM already costs no tonnage, it's effectively a free upgrade for every single mech. (Except for BV, side question do clam mechs pay BV for their built in case?)

>>96660557
I liked a lot of the early ones, most of the preclan IS mechs, later ones all look kinda samey.

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>>96649414
Counter Point: higher skills plus better range can gain the upper hand against lists with greater numbers and tonnage. If a king crab cant hit you, repeated alpha strikes to the back from a summoner prime can be a problem

>>96653001
I suck at blender but I wish I could model a hilux and stick Back to the Future style hover wheels on it

>>96663448
Counterpoint: TSM takes up criticals. If you bring weightsavers too, you will be very limited in what else you can mount.

The anniversary edition of TRO 3025 is up on the store.

>>96663939
Does it come with typos?

>>96663945

I hear the LAMs even got new art, so yes. Mistakes were made.

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>>96663670
That summoner in the picture is firing into front arc, fuck it's not even in the Sentinel's back arc, you dolt. If my KGC is getting backed, I've done a retarded and I deserve to get my back blown out.

I'm astounded you gave an example that requires wide maneuvering on a single mapsheet. Which should be giving the KGC an advantage, yet the player has positioned it in the magic death acid instead- likely to mitigate any sorta survivability advantage the KGC's tonnage conferred.

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Oh, this guy is alive

>>96664102
They done my boy Johnny dirty.

>>96664102
Someone get that hothead outta here!

>>96658732
>Jeremy, did you try and put TSM and MASC on the same 'Mech?
>POWER, James!

What lance comps do you favor playing as the Kuritans during the Clan Invasion? Both early and late.

On the offensive, how practical is it to refuel your aerospace fighters? Can you just put your dropship next to / on water and make hydrogen and use the dropship as a refueling station? You could keep it orbit too I suppose and just save enough fuel for them to enter and leave atmosphere at the ends of every use case. Thinking about how a full-on aerospace superiority doctrine might work in practice and what ground forces you might want to have to enable your birds.

>>96664268
Fast heavies and lights, as the coordinator intended.

>>96664268
4 DRG-5Ks or 3 and a QKD-5K if I'm feeling lucky

>>96663343
Not really. The scale is probably the most consistent it's ever been, but it's consistently out of scale along weight class lines. Assaults are wildly oversized, Heavies are a little oversized, and then depending on how you view things either lights are undersized or mediums are a little oversized. But this is consistent, which cannot be said about the old metal line. All of these models are meant to represent blips on a map that is itself in a different scale from any of them. They are not meant to be direct representations. Think of it as you being a commander looking at a holographic war table if it makes you feel better.

>>96664268
Warhammer, dragon, panther, jenner.

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>Odin
>not Wotan
Oh come on

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Didn't know Hanse was this good as a pilot

Anyone got the new 3025 TRO PDF by chance?

>>96664747
I wish Janos got a pilot card. While researching whether he has one or not, I stumbled on Phoenix Marik-Steiner, who pilots a Flea of all things.

>>96663851
Yeah the argument I was making was that if clans can figure out free critless CASE in a little while, free critless TSM or a variant of it really should have started to roll out by now

>>96664747
That's not the real Hanse Davion though.

That's it! I'm gonna ask a female elemental out! Wish me luck, fellas!

>>96665107
But anon, she has cooties IIC! You'll catch it for sure!

>>96665107
What's your opening line?
"Trothkin, hear my batchall: [name] and myself against a giant plate of spaghetti with meatballs?"

Wonder if sex can be a form of combat in batchall

>>96665208
It is in the games I've played.

>>96665208
>>96665229
I wonder why so few mechs have dick guns. Because few things add insult to injury like a crotch flamer or raging snubby.

>>96665208
hmm this sounds like a commission

>>96664839
Gonna try to upload it later to the drop folder

>>96665208
Just be careful that your Butte Hold can be claimed as isorla!

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Huh Megamek now records your battles via gif.

Thats pretty cool.

New TRO 3025 uploaded, with all its errors intact!

As always, fuck CGL!

>>96665143
I will challenge her to a singing competition! I will bring out an ancient Terran song about fast food! I can't lose! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLjphhzDDrY

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>>96665485
Yeah, It's a neat feature.

>>96665529
Thank you for your service.

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>>96665529
Blake be upon you!

>>96665560
>>96665564

If i get CGL not to get a dollar, then my work its done.

>>96665559
Better be prepared for the answer tho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3ysMBgWC00

>>96659296
LAMs work perfectly fine in AirMech mode. Nothing like move 23 WiGe bullshit with pilot on all the meth.

>>96665633
Is it in the folder? I don't see it under TRO

>>96665529
Thank you
>>96665827
Snord need to check it and upload it in the main folder

>>96665827
Have to wait for Snord to appraise and catalogue it.

>>96665654
The only thing I really don't like about the LAM WiGE rules functionality is that they still have to expend 2 MP to move forward while more than 1 hex above the ground. I don't like that their rules are explicitly a cludge of the WiGE rules in the first place, but that's the only part of it that I think plays "wrong". That rule only applies because WiGEs struggle to remain high up after launching themselves off a cliff. It shouldn't apply to something that can gain altitude like a VTOL.

>>96665851
>>96665854
Thanks

>>96665854
I just checked the dropbox and nothing is in there atm.

>>96665928
I am positive that i uploaded to rebrand ly/BTdrop, but just in case i will do it again.

How much impact did HBS’s BattleTech and MechWarrior 5 make on the BT franchise?

>>96666039
Not that much, from what I recall some designs from games get pulled into canon, they allowed aerodyne dropships make hover drops, HBS BT Periphery faction got a sourcebook and the MW5 merc outfit exists in BT books but not the game story.

>>96665973

Wouldn't you want to put it in the CranstonSnord dropbox?

>>96665973
Its actually the CranstonSnordDropBox you want to put the link in. BTDrop has been defunct forever and honestly should have been removed a long time ago.

I hope the "leg is not actually blown off" change does not make it through play testing. Having a limping hunk of metal attached to you is pretty much fulfilled by having a severly critted fucked up leg.

>"I’m less of a fan of the minimum 2 MP loss per hip crit. While it does make sense, as you don’t want it to be exactly the same as taking a leg actuator crit, it makes it pretty easy to immobilize a 3/5 and a 2/3 (like an urbanmech) will be immobilized with a single hip crit."
>"This is avery largebuff to cheap BA that can make leg attacks."
>"I am worried about assault mechs getting immobilized while they still have lots of armor, and then the -4 to hit them makes them evaporate."
>"I am not a huge fan of the -2 MP minimum loss, for reasons mentioned above. If 3/5 or 2/3 mechs don’t get compensated for this with a significant BV decrease they are going to get shoved out of viability pretty hard. Particularly with the side arc changes from the last playtest being horrifyingly punishing to 3/5 assault mechs."
thoughts?

>>96666247
3/5s were taking 2 mp loss on a hip under current rules, nothing changes here. Sure, on the second hip crit, per the proposed rules they'd be considered immobile, but a mech with 2 hip crits is a mission kill most of the time anyways. They shouldn't get a BV decrease because the opponent might bring BA, or because players can't into proper positioning, that's idiotic.
>the side arc changes from the last playtest being horrifyingly punishing to 3/5 assault mechs.
This sounds pretty overstated. Besides, big slow assaults are already pretty efficient in BV, making them even cheaper sounds like a poor decision, especially a "significant" decrease.

>>96666247
I think you're dumb.

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>>96666247
Start taking assaults with Jump Jets, abuse how easily it is to get cover now, and take some supporting units. Surprise surprise, slow units are very vulnerable to being mobility killed and unless you take precautions, people will find ways to mitigate them without having to meet them in a standup fight. I will continue to use Fa Shih paradropping out of transports to ruin your day with mines and leg attacks.

Pic related. The Marauder and Mackie had a bad time.

Is there a pronunciation guide for Cappie Mech names? At least Dracs are basic bitch weeb stuff.

>>96666462
Type it into google translate and hit the little speaker icon.

>>96666151
uploaded again

>>96666768
confirmed

>>96666768
Its in the related folder.

>>96666861
also adde thee strength of the pack novels

>>96666768
>>96666861
Thank you all

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The ramp looks like it will get on top of the wing?

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New LAM redesigns are pretty hot.

>>96666961
Maybe the actual ramp is narrower and inside the doors, then folds out when they swing open. Puts an added layer of metal between the main cargo area and explosive decompression.

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what the fuck is this

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plastic packrat when

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See? I am not crazy! Even Loose agrees!

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>>96667013
Bomneraange.

>>96667013
Looks like a retro-tech push-prop for high speed spotting and COIN (if you can somehow fit a single machine gun on it).

Think of it as a Ferret; just at a seventh the BV.

>>96667013
Imagine having to bail out of that.

>>96667083
There is at least one variant that replaces the cameras with a machine gun, but it's probably better off just keeping the cameras. The Boomerang is as barebones as a prop plane can get. It's also another unit that suffers from vehicles not having proper quirks, its fluff says it's so basic that pilots have to be careful because it doesn't even have a full suite of instruments to warn pilots they're about to hit a mountain, but it can also take off and land on very short runways and can be disassembled and reassembled quickly so it's good for general cargo instead of a proper bay.

>>96667132
You get hit in that you're probably dead in the cockpit anyway.

>>96667498

I figure it only has an ejector seat because the regs say it has to.

>>96667013
Serious Crimson Skies vibes off this fucker

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>>96667013
Itty bitty.