Previous: >>96660807>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Confess your sins. What is your guilty pleasure? Tell a story of a time you cheated, accidentally or otherwise.
>>96667519>TQI AM A PIG AND I EAT SLOP
>TQSometimes I don't play Sulfuric Vortex with my burn deck because my friend really likes playing lifegain and it will make him upset
What's a good commander to build around the black mage tokens from FF? Grixis is obvious, but I want to have some populate stuff in there as well. Also Trade Routes + Lindblum sounds fun as hell.
>>96667519>TQ: Confess your sins. What is your guilty pleasure? Tell a story of a time you cheated, accidentally or otherwise.I like beer. I never cheat in the game. I accidentally do stuff all the time because that's just expected with a complicated game like this and multiple players.
>>96667519I mulligan based on the top of my deck
>playing blink kefka>dodge removal with blinks, that's it>dodge farewell>discard pls>words of waste/geths grimoire>bloodchief is online>chains of mephistoles>windfall>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I JUST WANT A FUCKING HAND TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME>YOU SON OF A BITCH>oh man, I feel bad>gishath, edgar, urza>LOLNOT
>hits each opponent>3 for 1 erry time>exiles>flickerable>in reanimate and flicker colorsTell me why I shouldn't run it
>>96667614run tiptide gearhulk or demonic junker
>>96667612fucking lmaoWOTC should make secret lairs like this for cards with Ancient Text (TM)
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Is there any cool orzhov reanimator commander?I don't really wanna build another tricolor deck for now.
>>96667519I have a good story about this card>playing Trelasarra>Have her on the field>have Emergence Zone on the field>Usually reserve it for Felidar Sovereign or something else>blue guy plays Windfall>highest hand size is 5 at the moment>Have OP's card in hand>sac Emergence Zone and play it>I now have a 2/2 with 20 +1/+1 counters and scry 1 20 times and 63 lifeI love silly shit like this
>>96667711A good number of them. I like Shilgengar.
>>96667711Carmen is fun and quite strong
>>96667519my opponent thought this equipment was an aura and moved it to the graveyard along with the creatureI won that game with 2 life remaining
>>96667711This guy was my 2nd commander so I'm bias
>>96667711>>96667711
>>96668073Dont ever post a low resolution image in my thread againGo to scryfall and download the card image
>>96668147I got you, family.>my favorite creature card
>wife is ready for new deck>pic related>surely simic slop is easy to build >get shit stomped 3xDamn this card is so fucking bad.Why does it cost 4Why does it take 3 mana from creatures to draw a cardWhy cant i use the mana from creatures for non-creature spells>tfw still going to force it to work because its cute
Be honest, how fucked are you?
>Build picrel because a lot of people here kept saying it was the best beatdown commander, but I didn't believe it and just wanted to have a kind of "Pain Train" deck idea where he'd just go around the table slapping people>Game 1: Gave him a Swiftfoot Boots, and literally nobody had an answer. He cleaved every single player until it was me and 1 other player, and I just used burn spells to snap their few bodies they used as blockers. >Game 2: Gave him Sword of War and Peace and a Goldvein Pick, and now not only is he going around the table slapping everybody mercilessly, but he's also making me treasures if he tramples through just enough to get 1 damage on someone's face AND inflicting extra burn and giving me life per person hit, another comically easy win>Game 3: Every single person at the table was basically keeping up removal spells and countermagic just to make sure he couldn't stay on the ground for long. Cast him two times, and both times he was snapped instantly. Felt a bit crestfallen until I just kinda made an equipment pile on the ground and started swinging with things like Gilgamesh and Raubahn just to get a few hits in, and when the time came, I just so happened to see everybody tapped out, had just enough mana to cast Alexios, and to slide a Whispersilk Cloak onto him, and once again, he tore the entire table apart>Game 4: T1 Mountain->Sol Ring, T2 Mountain->Alexios, and he got killed by swinging into a creature with deathtouch, but on recast (like seven turns later) once again, everybody gassed out dealing with threats, and this unga bunga was allowed to just beat the bricks off of every other playerI am genuinely shocked at this card's performance and how unbelievably little it takes to get it going. If it had /any/ other color, I would argue it'd be banworthy, but even in mono-R it's fucking ridiculous.
>>96668370it's essentially just slicer, of course it's broken
>>96668270Is that? ... Could it be?... Yes, I think it is... Vigilance giving outside of white??? Oh my Garfield how DARE you rape the color pie like this
>>96668370>no one in my playgroup knows how trample worksembarrassing
>>96667598Are these some SLD fomo shit or are they cards that you can actually buy
>>96668341This is a custom card and yet I feel like there's an 80% chance of something like this being in one of the unsets
>>96667598Kefka or commit to either Black Waltz, Kuja, or Vivi
>>96668270Nigga just play prophet of kruphix no one will even catch you
>>96668496They're coming out in a holiday special
>>96668370Yeah, he's quite good. Folds to W tho
This is a pretty solid little pickup I think. Only colorless creature with natty persist, 2 drop. Seems good.
>>96668583Sure its fine, why do you need a colorless source of persist though
>>96668647Just seems like the cleanest persist combo piece 2bh. Surprised it's only 10 cents.
Bootlegmage's quality still good? With the tariffs going on it seems cheaper to order from him than straight from the chinamen. Or have they figured a way around it?
>>96668731fuck off proxyfag
>>96668731Yeah they're fine. Quality is going up now that there is a persistent and wide demand for near 1:1 proxies.
what's a fun mardu commander, my neriv is kind of overpowered or too slow
is the the MOST asshole commander possible without being competitive turbo?uninterruptible removal, uninterruptible casting of wincons, value even when hes removedI'm an edgelord so I love the fucker but I don't know if I can make a deck for him in bracket 3
>>96668496From holiday special Scene Box. These will not run out immediately unless you are in scalper paradise land called US.
>>96668848Your question is a self-fulfilling prophecy because he himself is "competitive turbo" in the sense it's another deck with a transparent "if this commander resolves I win" situation.
>>96668879ugh guess if I have to pick a b4 commander it'll have to be him
When did Badlands become so expensive? Red Black... really?
>>96668848If you play this card you're a gigantic fucking faggot. People like you are why commander has been getting worse, WOTC prints some overpowered crossover bullshit and you go 'OMG THIS IS SO STRONG I HAVE TO BUILD IT' even though it is a SONIC THE HEDGEHOG CHARACTER.Kill yourself.
>>96668973literally the opposite you retard, I would play him if he was dogshit BECAUSE its a sonic the hedgehog characterforget rtfc read the fucking post you moron
>>96668879I agree with this anon, I am tired of people running commanders that are just 'if you let this stay on the battlefield for even a single turn rotation, the game is over'.
>>96668976Shut up retard, holy fuck. You're intentionally trying to build an overpowered deck with a broken piece of shit as the commander.
>>96668997>cant read>makes up a strawman in his head to seeth about
>>96668842Zurgo, Thunder's Decree is super fun and underrated.
>>96669000>is it possible to build this card in a way that isn't overpoweredno it is not possible to build a card that makes everything you play unable to be interacted with in an interesting way, dumbass
>>96668842Tariel is fun but she's probably too slow and folds way too easily to all the free spells in commander.
>>96669006now that youve re-read the original post are you done sperging out?
>>96668854Do they do preorders?
>itch to build artifact deck>see kilo on scryfall and think he'd be perfect>find out later he's a precon face commander>autistic contrarian tendencies kick in>now feel subconscious aversion every time i open the archidekt pagefuck
>>96668848Its nothing special really
He cute
>>96669240Wow anon youre so cool
Im struggling to find a 2 color commander for my next build.If I do Boros maybe this or the one that is 4, T: Discard hand and return a 1/2/3 cmc for free
>>96669015>>96669000>is the the MOST asshole commander possible without being competitive turbo?>uninterruptible removal, uninterruptible casting of wincons, value even when hes removedNTA, but...>>is the the MOST asshole commander possible without being competitive turbo?>>uninterruptible removal, uninterruptible casting of wincons, value even when hes removedIt sounds like you're trying to do as he says, make an unfun deck based on the inherent high power level of the commander.If you were really just trying to make some retarded jank based on any of the Sonic cast, you could have picked the blue blur himself or Eggman, but you're deliberately picking Shadow because he's high-power and trying to cope with "I-I-I just want it to be a le funny Sonic character! XD" posthumorously. It's a pussybitch way of saying you want to make a pubstomp deck, and honestly a lot of people here would probably be more onboard if you were upfront about that from the start, but instead you just look like an insecure faggot.
>>96668848Like every commander deck, the (most) stringent thing on whether a commander is strong is how much money you drop on it.Certainly a kill on sight commander. Are there more degenerate ones? Yes. Can you build him in a jank way? Sure.He's obviously made to be a degenerate enabler. If you want him to be less so, just spend less money.
>>96668973I am a pig, I eat slop, and I have a bracket 4.5 shadow deck that doesnt play him until I'm ready to combo after making a ton of mana with rituals and treasures.Then, professor onyx + chain of smog time. Everyone hates me but I just have the radical highway song stuck in my head as I keep wiping the board and playing light stax until I get to my combo. Deck is entirely tutors, rituals, mass removal, stax, draw/wheeling. It's genuinely awful to play against and very fun to play. Everyone else at the lgs I dont go to often sucks too so I play it there and basically grief
>>96669262that's the opposite of a brag m8
>>96669313to be fair you can build eggman entirely on theme and he's good
Do you think these will be reprinted on next year's Marvel set?
>>96669350Eggman isn't "on theme" until he has Attraction synergy.Prove me wrong.
>>96669350>6 mana>no evasion>they kill him and youre stuck with all 11 cost constructs in your handSick deck bro. I'll stick with my rakdos colored grand abolisher commander
>>96669355>Captain AmericaFuck yeah, I've been looking for a commander to pair with my Razor Boomerang!
>>96669368>>96668147*sign tapping intensifies*
>>96669373If you don't know what Razor Boomerang does your opinions about anything in this game are invalid.Next you're going to tell me you don't know what Homeward Path does.
>love the concept of myriad>want to build a naya deck around it>since 2015 less than 35 cards with myriad have been made and most aren't good and there's no signs of new ones on the horizon>decide I'll supplement with mobilize creatures>still can barely get a full roster of creatures that range from meh to kind of good>look for a myriad/mobilize commander >the best is some Who Shit 2 color commanderWhy is WOTC like this with every potentially fun mechanic they make?
>>96669390This faggot became 20 dollars when they spoiled deadpool which literally everybody in my timmy filled LGS built and took apart within a month. Just use jetmir, the myriad will help get to the 9 creatures easily
I would rather see literally any level of UB garbage and meme secret lairs on the other side of the table than a single Unfinity cardUnsets are supposed to satirize Magic, its mechanics and its lore and its communityUnfinity eschewed all of that for the most corporatized, meandering dogshit fathomable, with an AIslop-tier aesthetic direction and "jokes" that are probably a riot if you're a mid-40s white woman who thinks Bob's Burgers is the pinnacle of human witNot only that but they had the UTTER FUCKING GALL to make a huge chunk of the set black-bordered to try to foist them upon actual formats, apparently not content to keep the indignity opt-inEven fucking MH3 had better unset-style humor than Unfinity
>>96669394Yeah I've already settled on Jetmir, even though I wanted to have a little more lesser known Commander that helped creature tokens. I just wish WOTC weren't such massive faggots that constantly abandoned fair/balanced designs for fucking years at a time (or forever) so they can keep remaking the same boring oversaturated designs over and over and over and over and OVER again.
>>96669394I am glad his price dropped. Altair gets insane whenever I manage to pull him.
>>96669414The worst is that there are cards that are actually useable and that could be if you just ignored the quirk chungus mechanic attached to them mixed in with the myriad of shit.
My squall deck was alright but not great. When it works everyone is angry because I'm making them sac and discard every turn. When it doesn't work I'm playing my commander over and over and doing nothing.
>>96669355>no black on wolverine, black panther nor iron man because black is le EVIL!
>>96669433Agreed, you don't have to play Jetmir if you feel that way, I encourage that. It sucks that they make these general purpose commanders that let you just make a value pile and still crush. It has killed creativity in deckbuilding almost as much as edhrec has. That's why they said they banned Golos so they've admitted that kind of commander is an issue.
>>96669442I'd never pay this just because it's a pain to track, worse than Cathars crusade
>>96667519>TQI often tap my lands for more mana.
Rate my goblin deck please. Taking Suggestions!https://moxfield.com/decks/rOT_STzQlE6eVOCrA4LRIA
*auctions your commander*Well anon? How much life are you bidding?
>invited short notice to pay on tabletop sim >High power level but not cedh>Cannot think of what to brew and just take 2 of my existing decks and slam ancient tomb and some better lands in them
>>96669548one ephemerate worth of mana
Everyone bitches about the archetypes they hate playing against, but what do (You) personally ENJOY playing against?
>>96669546I was going to make fun of you for playing "loses to one boardwipe" tribal but this is an interesting, albeit messy little grixis value pile and not a goblin deck. I like it. you are still a piggy for playing so many UB cards though, oink oink faggot
>>96669566pilots who actually know how to read their cards
>>966695481 blue mana?
>>96669566I like seeing cool voltron decks that assemble some terrifying giganigga.
>>96669566Love a fellow competent control player, when they a nice uniqie deck that generates card advantage in an interesting way, leading to a nice long chain of spells and unique interactions. There's always a climactic ending to a good control match.
>>96669566Control.
>>96669624>>96669603Nobody likes playing against control, these are controlfags trying to pretend that their playstyle is anything but essentially griefing.
>>96669629I wish they would print more land destruction for people like you that need a taste of real griefing. Interacting with your board is not griefing. You're probably just a RDWfag who gets every control player to 4 life, get hit by a boardwipe, then slowly die over the next ten minutes because you top deck mice that I just use spot removal on. Why would you have fun with us when that's the often case with aggro players?
>>96669629I like playing against control because they hard counter my bad matchups.
>>96669482Just line up your creatures left to right. It's not hard.
>>96669566Stompy. Weenies. Tokens. Voltron. Any deck that relies on forcing other players to have to make strategic choices about whether to block and what to block is pure sovl. Faggy decks where each turn is just sitting in the cuckshed resolving triggers and activating abilities and sitting on mana is fucking garbage. We need way more aggressively costed forced combat cards.
>>96669798We're getting one with Kratos. RRR and he burns everyone for every creature they control that didn't attack in their turn during their end step.
just found out that someone at my store unironically ate someone else's card during a commander game there i heard some youtuber joke about it but i thought it was just them being lolsorandum, is this an actual thing people do??
>>96669821>he doesn't eat his opponent's creatures whenever he exiles themngmi
think its viable imo?
>>96669821Never underestimate the power of autism.
>>96667519>TQI love universes beyond and would not care if the game went full UB
>>96668501Would be pretty funny as an unset card
>TQOne time I drew two cards on a turn, realized it almost immediately but had the win because of it so I just took it. I don't feel good about it, but that's life.Also when I was much younger, back near when I was starting out (around Darksteel at the time) I stole a copy of Arcbound Crusher from a friend. It became a pet card and it's still in my binder to this day as one of my favorite cards.>>96667598I'm planning on doing it too and I can't tell if I wanna go Kuja for token creation/fun, Kefka just for Wizards in general and the blue option, or Vivi/Black Waltz for pure power. Could be a total schizo and try to Rule 0 a partner between Vivi and Black Waltz lmao
>>96668496Holiday bundle so only a slight step back from SLD fomo
>>96667750>5 mana 2/2I really like her entire aesthetic and mechanic, but it's just a too high cost, especially in orzhov colours.>removed because it grew too big >7 mana for a 2/2 flying creatureyeah nahit's so sad when creatures with fun mechanics cost too much and become unviable
>>96669313>UMMM ACKSHUALLY IT WAS TOTALLY RIGHT TO MAKE THIS RETARD ASSUMPTIONNo, it wasn't, and you looked retarded and like you were desperately trying to fit in. Then when it turned out the strawman was not what you wanted, you samefagged. Kill yourself, moron
>>96669473They put black on Deadpool and Spider Noir. Explain this.Also Ellie is literally fucking Rakdos. Nathan Drake is Golgari.Two of these literally have the hero typing
>>96669390Give in, anon. Give in to the MASTER RACE
>>96668341would unironically be a welcome addition (said as a person who often misses prio and what not)could lead to some funny but frustrating situations! >>96668270you might be best off using it for elves or something maybe? produce an army of elves and then use them to both attack and tap for mana ,yes?
>>96669841>doublestrike unblockable in a format with commander damageYes. It'd be boring as all fuck. Literally nothing interesting about this card. But yes, it will keel
>>96669390I call this the autism tax. If you are so put off by a card art, or an IP, or skin color, then that is the extra price you pay for your autism. It's like having to spend more for food because you want to be a trendy vegan
Hello everybody, I know this has been ask beforeBut where do I find Lewd edits of MTG Artwork for Proxys?I tried Pinterest, but it is kind of difficult to sort by card there and some of the Artwork is just rubbishI also found a couple sellers on etsy, but - It´s all just AI slop- I can´t say anything about quality- prices are abhorrentMy next Question would be, which Decktype would you think can fit the most lewd edits?My first thought would be Atraxa Planes walkers because maybe all the Planeswalkers probably have the most edits availableMy second guess would be something like an Angel Tribal or Dragon TribalWhat do you think?
>>96669777that's .. actually smart and probably intentional
>>96669548>"I bid my entire life total">You either have to outbid me or let me go out on my terms, with my commander under my own controlcheck mate.......
>>96669927You're welcome to explain where either of us were wrong instead of being an autistic crybaby about people pointing out you're not a special snowflake.
>>96668341I just don't ask for take backs. My logic is it will make me a better playerIt doesn't.
>>96669953>But where do I find Lewd edits of MTG Artwork for Proxys?Time travel to 2021 before the AI Boom
>>96669974I see certain difficulties with thatMy time machine is currently out of service
>>96669983Well let me know if you figure out the way to avoid the AI shit. Because I have yet to find one.Your best bet at this point is just commissioning some digital artist who will retardedly charge more for their commission than a pro artist charges for a signed piece.
>>96669959I kneel
Would syr vondam being blinked while gandalf the white is on the field mean the "is put into exile" trigger is doubled?
>>96668510Did that warcrime get unbanned?
>>96670261lol no
Sex with Sissay!
>>96670313Gerrard...
>>96667598Wizard token spam is best in rakdos and I will die on this hill. I frequently pubstomp unintentionally with this deck even when everyone declares they are playing 3/7's. It's a modified version of a standard deck I run in MTG Arena that's gone diamond multiple times.https://moxfield.com/decks/GZJE5k2CkUucCxjmgzVECQhttps://moxfield.com/decks/GZJE5k2CkUucCxjmgzVECQ
>That friend who's obsessed with building a "cedh" version of every new legend
>>96668510>>96670261>>96670288FREE HER
If I want to build a WUBRG Sliver deck, how much bullshit do I want to pack into it? Should I just stick to Slivers unga bunga go wide, or should I also be baking in things like Smothering Tithe, Rhystic Study, Tutors, and so on?
>>96668503>>96669871>>96670340Yeah but none of these have access populate.
>>96670433Fuck that. Free my nigga Erayo.
>>96670513It doesn't need it.
>>96670538But it sounds fun
>>96670513Populate is an overcosted and hardly useful ability. Feed into important engines and double or copy their triggers to make more. There's only ONE good or even decent Populate card and it's Rootborn Defenses.
>>96669414You've probably seen one or two un cards in your life anon. 99.999999% of them arent even playable lol>>96669482>a line is confusing for meAdds up >>96669841No its genuinely dogshit card. Better UW voltron/combat legendaries exist
>>96669313Anyone who is excited by or interested in building a fucking Sonic the Hedgehog commander deck should probably just go do heroin or something instead if their dopamine receptors are that addled.
>>96670513If you want to do that then you might as well go mardu and put in the token doublers.
>>96669798This guy is one of my favorite cards ever printed, too bad he's removal bait and 'just swing at the guy who played it' bait.
>>96669841Kill yourself pig, choke on the slop until you die.
>>96667711Amalia if you're good enough
Weatherlight Cumtain
>>96670643Thanks, forgot about token doublers. I'm kinda thinking Tymna/Kraum so I can run FF alt arts...
>>96670405There is so little that separates most cEDH decks now, so I am assuming your friend means just play a General that basically does nothing, while winning with Th'Oracle or Breach.
>>96670679Wow anon youre fighting the good fight i trust ill see you here in an hour, and the hour after that, and the hour after that still fighting the good fight! Just wanna say what a big boy you are and how strong you are woweeee
>>96670719Spreading yourself too thin wasting too much space on useless stuff. I predict a dogshit deck. Black mage no3 is rakdos for a reason, its the best colors for the theme.
>>96670734>cedh decks are basically all the sameThis. Its why people go nuts for sub-optimal decks like Lumra or Flubs. Because it allows people to actually do something """unique""" during cEDH, even if it means just going through the motions until somebody resolves Ad Nauseum.
When does the Final Fantasy bikini waifu secret lair come out?
What are the top 3 cards you'd ban to actually shift the cEDH metagame? For me, they just got posted:>Ad Naus >Thassa's Oracle>Underworld BreachGet rid of all of those, and people would be forced to actually build some new decks.
>>96670734>nowPlease don't pretend to play. Cedh meta is the most diverse its ever been right now. And developing weekly. For the retards ITT, you dont have to have opinions on things you obviously dont engage with. Its weird. Just dont play cedh and dont think about cedh players we don't care about you.
>>96670637Eggman is a fun commander.
>>96670765Everyone would just play Flash hulk
>>96670765Thoracle, Ad Naus, and Partner as a mechanic so that people actually have to build decks instead of making 4 color good stuff piles with every card being ~2 mana so they can just shit out their entire hand.>>96670771Nah he's boring and slop.
>>96670770Not really, rog si and blue farm still dominate every major tournament >>96670765Rhystic Study is what needs to be banned to fix things.
>>96670779>cEDH fag thinks he gets an opinion what is sloplmao
>>96670771>generic and obnoxious grixis discard is funnah not really anon, just because he lets you cheat things into play doesn't mean he's fun.>>96670784I hate CEDH, retarded slop eater.
Holding hands with Rowan and with Breya and with Thalia!
>>96670765I wouldn't. It's not a real thing.
>>96670770Name 10 competitively viable decks with winning results that use different strategies to win.
>>96670813>inb4 anon posts 10 different variations of 4 color goodstuff piles that just use Thoracle as the wincon
Ponder the following: resolving a stroke of genius x = 30 with Tomorrow in play.
>>96670825This guy?That sounds incredibly obnoxious to resolve.I will also suggest Warp World with Hive Mind in play.
>>96670770Every deck is just a fucking pile with the same cards and the same patterns of play to win. I don't doubt that you play cEDH as you seem autistic enough, but if you're this delusional or just this willing to cope, then you're the retard.
>>96670813Just look at the most recent Japanese tournament results you can find. Easily over 10 unique ones. It seems you know very little>>96670820Thoracle isnt even the premier cedh wincon...
>>96670849Yes, it still is, anon. It will always be the premier wincon because it represents everything wrong with CEDH>Uninteractable>Boring>Blue>Low CMC
>>96670857>uninteractablenigga it's a triggered ability
>>96670845>Warp World with Hive Mind in playDo all the etbs that will happens as a consequence of this resolve after all four warp worlds have resolved?
>>96670869I am not sure, actually... I think the ETBs would activate after each Warp World finishes fully resolving? I'd have to ask a judge or look into the rulings a bit more.
Today is my birthday bros
>>96670765>competitive tiddlywinks
>>96670765IslandThere, no need for the other two.
>>96670857>uninteractableOHNONONONONONO
>>96670849>Thoracle isnt even the premier cedh wincon...It 100% is, dummy.
>>96670857Okay so you just dont know what youre talking about and thats fine. Breach lines are by far the strongest and most secure.
>>96670849Japanese tournament cedh meta is based on a strange points system the rest of the world doesn't use. Outside of Japan the meta is etali, Magda, 4 color partner piles or turbo grixis piles, with yapping and excessive politicking and playing to draw are the main points of the game. YouTube mino celebrities are the best yappers because the nerds they play in tournaments fold and obey whatever yapping bullshit the YouTubers tell them.
>play kefka discard deck>it starts emptying everyone's hand>suddenly nobody besides me has cards in their hand>my "do damage on discard" stuff stops working because they don't have any hands left to discard >haven't drawn tinybones, trinket thief or one of the cards that punishes people for having no hand>people are just silently seething at me for 5 turns as I'm forcing them to play from the top of their decks and cleared the board of creatures>I just have to swing with a bunch of creatures because there's been nothing too exciting to reanimate from graveyards >can't swing with too much stuff and have to leave defenders because my enemies are some cancer Muxus deck that can shit out 6 cards out of nowhere with haste and a cancer Ur-Dragon deck yeah I'm thinking this deck would be better if I included a bit of blink so I could suddenly just make Kefka or the other discard on entry creatures blink in and out 4 times and all of a sudden empty all hands when I have all the cards to win rather than drawing aggro the entire game and getting fucked when someone pulls a board wipe and everyone collectively swings at me out of spite
>>96670928Ok so you're a disingenuous faggot. All of these decks playing thoracle, the majority are also running breach lines.
I only style on niggas with a 170 dollar thoracle.
>>96670849isnt japan just playing turbo greed? like the older school fast mana abuse but specifically because it's green?
>>96670857>uninteractable The fuck are you talking about? It is not hard to disrupt. Just make them draw a card nigga
>>96670744Sure, if I wanted it to be good I would build rakdos storm, but I want it to be fun. I want to loop Lindblum with Trade Routes (running around the world map), amassing wizards (building my party), and pinging with spells (fighting random encounters) because it sounds fun
>>96670950ugly cunt
>>96670687isn't most explore synergy green or blue? feels like a waste on a cute vamp
>>96669903one single edict and she will be back to a decent size
I like playing commander
>>96670953Japan also bans yapping and politicking. A gaining on reddit recently wrote a post about going to a Japanese cedh tournament and every time he tried to start yapping and politicking the table called a judge who told him to shut the fuck up and just play his cards.
>>96670884Happy birthday anon!
>>96670939This is the reason Kefka is a bad card, he's not fun to play against in the slightest since he just is basically 'generic grixis goodstuff'.>>96670908>Dr. who cardat least have the good taste to run this instead
>>96670938Which youtuber """celebrities""" are attending cEDH tournaments?
>>96670953American cedh tournaments are famous for 12 hour games and 5 hour turns where no one wins, due to excessive politicking and playing for draws and colluding for draws. Japanese cedh is everyone shutting the fuck up and playing cards because draws are punished instead of incentivized and yapping is frowned upon.
>>96670979sounds like heaven for "serious" play, also fuck bluefarm, stale ass shit deck from inception to now, trully good if they also don't reward intentionally drawing 4-mans
>>96670993ComedIan. Golden Sabertooth. Playing with Power. Faggots like that- minor reddit celebrities who specialize in cedh.
>>96670979>play in complete silence >just you and your thoughts vs your opponents thoughtsSounds amazing. I kneel, based nippon...
>play cedh game>lasts 5 turns>takes 6 hours>nobody wins
>>96671004I watched a YouTube stream of a major tournament of a match ComedIan was in. A player put a win on the stack, then ComedIan spent 5 minutes yapping and politicking convincing the player to take his win attempt back. 2 turns later ComedIan put his own win on the stack and won. Apparently he is known for this but the people he plays against it keep falling for it because they're intimidated by his minor niche community celebrity status.
>>96671044How do you convince somebody that winning the game is something they don't want to do? Cannot fathom this desu
>>96670965>I HATE THIS ART!Cool. The fact it's the most valuable non-bonus SLD card implies most love it.
>>96671052I didn't comment on tbe art itself, just that she is a fugly cunt
>>96670992Sorry, not mentally ill and unable to use cards because of autism. Sorry for your loss. Dumb fuck.
>>96670947They can both be played and one is favored and considered stronger by the community, and thats breach.
>>96670961>retards adopt calling everyone pigs and slop because some faggot made a literal 4chan post on twitter>everyone completely unaware he was not talking about Universes Beyond at all and was talking about commander.It is funny to see the commander thread adopt a thing from a guy who was calling THEM pigs who enjoy slop. People assumed it was UB because no one seriously whines about commander in 2025.
>>96671035>>96670997How do draws actually occur mostly, if the rounds are not timed? And why the fuck are the rounds not timed?
>>96671044>ComedIan spent 5 minutes yapping and politicking convincing the player to take his win attempt back>play "competitive" magic>go for the win>get talked out of going for the winwhat the fuck?
>>96671059>slop eater calling someone else mentally illlmao
>>96671066they bicker on win order (ie who will most likely go off next if x or y doesn't stop them) on value engine talk and conclude with "ok so do we take a draw for 1 point each?"
>>96671065I recognize that edh got sloppified, and I am mad at wotc for printing more slop into the format
>>96671059You may not be mentally ill but you are retarded if you think that cutting the mana cost in half while getting split second on your desired effect is somehow bad
I have honestly considered presenting the idea of a timer during turns at this point in my pod. We can barely do 3 games in a 5 hour period and it mostly has to do with people taking ultra long turns. And not even turns where shit is happening. Just "I dunno what to do..." for 10-15 minutes. No one needs 10 to 15 fucking minutes to make a god damn move. It would be one thing if the long games were caused by gamestates and cards but it is literally just people sitting there doing nothing because they're worried they missed a move they could make.
>>96671077Here is my suggestion:1 minute turns to start, with an additional minute for every turn after the first one, up to 5 minutes per turn.
>>96671077Do you play with people who have 10+ different decks or are they just slow on the same decks week after week?
>>96669546Your mana base and curve is pretty bad the talismans aren't gonna save you from getting outpaced
>>96671090Slow with the same decks week after week. It's really just one player who plays an overly complicated enchantress deck.
What do you guys think the mystery UB set will be next year?
>>96671066The players collude and negotiate draws and say things like "i have force in will in hand to stop his win but I won't play it and will let him win unless we all agree to a draw.">>96671070They're all spineless nerds, the cedh meta is who has the most charisma and is the biggest sociopath
>>96670992But it's thematic for Kefka being an annoying fucking clown and you are playing the greatest FF villain so being the table villain is on theme. I think any Discard commander is going to draw aggro like that, Kefka just also lets you discard a card of your own and card draw a bunch which puts him a step above the rest and enables you to put stuff into your own graveyard more easily for reanimation. The flip side is really good albeit it costs a fuckton of mana
>>96671125Yeah, but you're just going to make people not want to play against your deck. You have to keep in mind that you're still playing with other people, dude. I have seen like 6 different Kefka decks at this point against me, and every single time they get hated off the board for being obnoxious and boring to play against.
>>96670979Yep which is fantastic. Politicking is the most anti competitive thing imaginable.>play poorly and I will give you something hehehe this doesnt benefit me the most just take the deal!Or>ill just flash this card xD better play differently now!
Can this slimy dude still work nowadays? I feel like he's expensive mana wise, so someone will grave hate you to death before you're able to get him out after you prep the yard.
>>96670938>playing to draw main pointNo its not. It happens, and sometimes people abuse the politicking aspect (which shouldn't exist) but that is definitely not true. I think you get your opinions from detractors anon.
>>96671066They genuinely dont. It does happen. Notably the 12 hour match but that is the outlier, even in NA cedh, not the norm. Anyone saying it is is just doingThing West >=(Thing Japan :D
>>96671065Weird way to rewrite history. I pushed paypigging in this thread. It comes from here and I started it, and its was an attack on retards who waste money on expensive cards.
cEDH is such a gay ass format. The LGS I go to has a couple cEDH players that are just like chris chan levels of autism and cringe.
>>96671181So...why did the frequency of this come right after multiple videos were made about this post?What a coincidence.
>>96671195every cEDH player I know is the exact type of person this general loves.
>>96671195CEDH is where people go who think they are too good to play at the little kids table (99% of EDH players) but are also too bad/poor to play Legacy/Vintage. The only spazzes that exist there are at the intersection of playing Magic for social reasons and also being tryhard autistics who feel that every single counterspell used against them will damage their standing at their LGS.
>>966712011. Show your numbers anon2. Lingo takes a while to really take off, I am a visionary.
>>96671077I always feel bad when I take a long time on my turns. My Hearthull deck takes a long time to play because of the constant fetchland recursions, plus a lot of cards being exiled to things like Valakut Exploration. Its not a landfall deck with dozens of triggers occuring each turn that mindlessly go off - it requires you to think somewhat carefully about things, but i can often feel my opponents frustration during my turn after they've just played out a land, or a single spell and passed.
I am on overnight shifts at my job the next two nights and would like to watch this 12 hour epic in its entirety. Where can I find it in full? Didn't it end because a guy literally needed to leave the country? If they didn't agree to a draw he would miss his flight home, or something.
>>96671160Drawing is more incentivized then playing to win. Cope
>>96671223What's so funny about this one dude who has a "competitive jodah deck" at my LGS is that if you counterspell his commander he'll just rage quit. It's so fucking funny. What's even funnier is the fact he thinks Jodah the Unifier is competitively viable.
>>96671247Conveniently, they stopped recording it, so the match only lives on in legend now. It was the finals of a big tournament and involved goldensabertooth begging others to give him the win because he had to catch his flight home.
>>96671077>Finish up my turn >Player 2's turn starts, immediately start thinking about what I want to do next turn>Player 3's turn starts, immediately start thinking about what I want to do next turn in relation to the actions of player 2's turn>Player 4's turn starts, immediately start thinking about what I want to do next turn in relation to the actions of player 2 and 3>My turn starts, with only a mild necessary amount of thinking needed because I've spent the past 3 turns thinking about what I want to do Is it really not that simple? We have one guy in our group who notoriously will wind up taking 6+ minute turns every single rotation and come to extremely basic conclusions. I can't tell if he's literally not paying attention during the rest of the turn cycle or if he's re-adjusting his entire plan at the start of every single player's action, but there's no reason why you should need 10+ minutes of thought for about 16 seconds of execution.
>one single stack in that huge game took over two hours to resolve
>>96671044link?
>>96671258>mfw me and my friends were lied to by a Chatterfag who said he didn't run infinites in his deck, and when he said he "accidentally" went infinite (cards he tutored for pretty aggressively), a simple K-Grip was enough to kill his entire gameplan and he just scooped up and left the tableI don't know why they act like this, but it's always a treat.
>>96671141It's all about being to read the room. if people are playing annoying shit like Jodah or Krenko or Oloro or anything green or sticking a bunch of tutors in a bracket 3 deck they don't get to complain and I'll gladly play Kefka and make them not be able to play solitaire or whatever obnoxious shit they planned on doing. If it's less sweaty I'll go play my WH40k or FF precons
>>96671307>or anything greenFuck you.
>>96671307Of course, that always matters. I wouldn't expect someone to pull out Kefka if everyone is playing weird jank decks, since he is just way too strong to use unless everyone else in the group is playing strong decks too.He does work extremely well in the Archenemy format for EDH though, my friends and I made some decks for that, Final Fantasy heroes vs Final Fantasy villains. I personally have made Cecil and Golbez decks for it.Why the green hate, though?
>>96671267A friend with weed is a friend indeed
I deliberately take ages during Brawl matches on MtGArena just cause its funny. I will tank and rope constantly, but click concede at lightspeed the moment my opponent presents lethal. It makes me laugh, but unfortunately I can't pull shit like this for.obvious reasons during paper games.
>>966712541. Its not.2. Tournament results dont reflect this.
>>96671334People would just physically hurt your in paper games
As somebody who is relatively new to this format, I still can't get used to the fact that disrupting somebody's gameplan (be that through MLD, or just simple targeted removal or counter magic) is enough to immensely piss people off and accuse you of not letting them play the game. Just sit at home and goldfish your deck if.you're not willing to actually interact with your opponents. I swear that so many retards at my LGS simply want to interact with their opponents exclusively through combat, just so they can show how "cool" their deck can be. I am used to sitting down against an opponent, sometimes I win and sometimes I lose but I am there with the intention of stopping my opponent from winning and there aren't any hard feelings about that fact in and of itself.
>>96671318in my experience people are bad at threat assessment and as the green player sits there cackling and doing nothing besides ramping their mana up like crazy everyone else is busy killing each other for actually having threats on the board and then all of a sudden green vomits out some cancer big creatures or some really obnoxious big play that wins the game. and somehow I'm always the villain for pointing this out and trying to kill them and I get stabbed in the back after swinging at them
>>96671077i have a player you literally can't play stax effects against, he'll spend his entire turn complaining how much it slows him down and on everyone else's turn asking if they have removal for the stax pieceespecially cards like esper sentinel, everyone else decides instantly if they pay, but he'll spend the entire time counting and recounting his open mana
>>96671334based troll
>>96671363A lot of this sentiment is present in these threads
>>96671230>people get mad when I take a 5+ minute turn storming out with my krark rog deck>people get mad if I kill them in the first 4 turns with Tifa>people get mad when I kill them with a dragon army with my Timmy dragon deck>people get mad when I play mono blue draw-go control and win with brainstorm What do I do anons? All the decks that are most fun for me make people moan and complain.
are there any other good horror commanders besides captain niggatron?
>>96671347Tournament meta at tedh tournaments is to collude for draws to get second cut, then collude for draws in to top 8.
>>96671334Autism
>>96671393find people that aren't whiny bitches when they lose
>>96671393>brainstormI meant brain freeze my bad>>96671399Phyrexians
>>96671363The term I've heard is that "People don't like you taking away their fidget spinner", and when they have this gameplan in mind from "testing" their deck over and over again, any person who is interrupting it will break the fantasy of them making these godmode broken 10/10 "awesome" decks. People who routinely play with one another, especially if it's your friends, will recognize that you need to build a deck that needs more than one leg to stand on (it's a 100-card deck after all) or it makes you extremely vulnerable to any responses. People who make a new deck and haven't had it stress-tested or have experience having their decks stress-tested usually get surprised when something very simple can murder the entire point of the deck (like a Rest in Peace just butchering reanimator decks), but more experienced players will learn that these are considerations to make when actually building the deck. It's honestly more often than not just a neophyte thing. You're new to the format, but not MTG in general (I presume), so constant interaction is part of your understanding. Many, many players partake in this game first and foremost through EDH, and as a consequence, they aren't used to removal or counterspells yet because they are barely used to learning card syntax or other common terms yet.
>>96671439>>96671363Theater kid redditors who hate competition and entering EDH destroyed the format. They see EDH as a form of self expression to show off what special and creative snowflakes they are. Their goal isn't to win and they get mad at people who play they game properly and disrupt their performance.
>>96671452But also people can only express themselves if expressing themselves involves slamming down 18/18 green fatties to turn sideways. If you want to express yourself through, like, control then you can suck a cock.
>>96671452>Their goal isn't to winTheir goal is quite literally just to win. In fact that's precisely why they get pissy. They are upset that you're getting in the way of this idea of a deck they put into their heads would be a surefire "Winner" if they are just allowed to go through the six steps needed to kill the table uninterrupted. This is also why a lot of annoying crying faggots are the first to scoop and leave the LGS in a rage when you kill their commander one time. They thought they were going to show up, get the free-est wins imaginable, and smugly walk out, but the instant you stop them one single time, they take it personally and walk away. In fact the ones making artistic nonsense decks usually don't get upset if you stop their bizarre Capitoline Triad 9/9 stack gimmick because they know it's not competitive.
LETMEDOTHETHING
>>96671466Also if you like to express yourself by running instant speed interaction and removal, you're killing the format and "going against the spirit of EDH." Their 5 card value engine durdle synergies are "peak EDH" and "doing the thing" while your value engines and interaction "violate the spirit of the format."
>>96671452>>96671439To be fair, butchering reanimator decks via Rest in Peace and Bojuka Bog and the like is extremely based, since reanimator decks tend to be gay as fuck.
The amount of melties I see in this game over interaction is insane. People are too afraid to do anything lest the autist the spell targets has a full breakdown and gets mad at the caster and targets them the rest of the game.
so the thing is just winning through a rube goldberg machine?
>>96671506Winning via 3+ card janky combos is funny and based.Winning via a 2 card combo (which often includes the commander) is gay and boring.
>>96671506the “thing” is always just frauding 4 cards and 20 mana of value onto the board through various means
>>96671506You're going to step on someone's toes one way or the other. The real answer is always just reading the room and not being an autistic spazz. If everybody is playing removal, counterspells, etc. but you thought you were going to be immune to these, you're in the wrong. If everybody is having a great time with their card slinging and synergies and combos, but you're mad because (insert playstyle) is gay, you're, once again, in the wrong. You do not need to cater to every random and their mental illness, just learn who you're playing with and against, have a deck that will allow you to maintain pace with the rest of the table, and simply play what you want to play within that range. That's it.
My group got invaded by one of these people who just moan when others decks pop off and do the thing.
>>96671497I love rest in peace because how hard ot singlehandedly buttrapes every graveyard strategy.
having the weakest deck at a table of strong decks is a viable tactic. “small bean syndrome” is a term made up by people who are bad at strategy and throw games.
>>96671506Yes, preferably neglected from your favorite youtuber redditor.>>96671514To me, winning as quickly and with as few cards as possible is the most fun and best way to win. Efficiency is beauty. In a sworf fight, winning with the least amount of movement is the most beautiful, that's how I have fun playing EDH.
>>96671565>neglected*net decked
>>96668341Enough. I have cards in decks ive never actually got to play and admittedly i fumble a bit when i play them for the first time. Shouldnt be that way because ive been playing for 15 years but there it is
>>96671077I had the worst pod you could imagine, we were 5 people so we'd play 5 (at least, sometimes 6 if someone else came along..) man games, and 2 of the players are just surprisingly slow. I'm talking 10+ minute turns, an average of 4-6 minutes per turn when they don't even have shit to resolve. Meanwhile, even when I play a more complicated deck with triggers my turns are probably like 3 minutes tops, and about 45 seconds when I play a more agressive or basic deck. I wish they would all just embrace their brains and go red, or red-green, but alas...I also suggested we try playing with a timer once "as a fun challenge haha" and they were instantly vehemently against it. I don't mind people taking a long turn if we are actively talking/socialising, if things are resolving that they're doing as fast as they can, or if the delay is due to other people not responding (or contemplating responding, ugh).
>>96671550I run as much color hate and specific gay strategy hate as possible. If only WOTC printed some more +1/+1 counter spam hate, the counters are genuinely ruining the game since every other creature has some +1/+1 counter infinite value bullshit stapled to it nowadays.Graveyard hate, stupid janky hate like Lifeforce and Deathgrip and Order of the Sacred Torch and Stromgald Cabal, it's all good.Really, slapping down a Stromgald Cabal is basically saying 'No, you aren't going to get to play any board wipes until this guy is gone.'
>>96671551redditors and a lot of MTG players are too autistic to play politics and using stuff like verbal skills for deception and trickery so they get mad when it's used against themfuck those autistic niggers, I'll lie, backstab, trick and deceive my way to winning with my shitty precons against their $500 decks. I find it fucking hilarious and a lot of fun. wasted 10 years of my life in retail, it comes naturally
>>96671565You should just go play standard and enjoy your 2-3 turn games then, anon. EDH was never about trying to rush out a win as fast as possible.
>>96671262uhm sweaty, how about this>finish my turn>bring up my phone to look at memes>oh what? nah, sure, play that, no responses>get tired during 2nd players turn, step away from the table to go lie down>hmm? no responses, I'm good>player 3 says they're attacking me during their turn>sigh>get up and head back to the table>check what I have on the board and what they have, and what they're attacking with>check my hand if I can do anything>contemplate how to block>think about heaven knows what during 3rd player's endstep>oh, my turn again!>look at my hand and board, and what everyone else has on their board, as though I was just introduced to the game for the first time
>>96671374kek if someone bitched that much I would just run stax against him (and counter his removal) I have a couple of decks created out of pure spite, my latest one being my EXILE deck that's based entirely around exiling stuff, it's a delicious brew of exiling cards from the board and exiling cards from graveyards. Best of luck, reanimator!
>>96671601It’s my favorite way to play. I have a ramses deck and the only way to win with that fucker is to manipulate and lie your way into a win and drop a hammer on the table in one turn when you’re sure everyone’s let their guard down. It’s probably the truest rogue experience.
>>96671181Actually i did, you're just riding my coat tails like everyone else.
>>96671601Politicking is just gay and hinged upon people intentionally making bad plays for the sake of politicking. It has no place in most games.
>>96671606>EDH was never about trying to rush out a win as fast as possible.Says who? That's your subjective opinion, not reality. Are you the fun police?
>>96671651politicking can be fun when you play liar's dice - my usual go-to is "if you don't attack me during your turn I will do something beneficial to both of us on my turn". It's really funny watching people grimace as the cogs in their brains start turning trying to think what my deal could mean exactly
>>96671596-1/-1 is the natural predator of +1/+1, it's why I like it so much and hope lorwyn will save us
>>96671676Yeah so>people making bad plays for the sake of politickingI used to humor them and play along when I first got back into EDH but honestly, focus the politicker and you will likely win.
>>96671694if you politick too much you can trap yourself in deals, or people think you're stronger than you are (if you want continous deals to go through it seems you have some ulterior objective down the line)the key is to only do it rarely, and sometimes when people turn down your deals fuck them up utterly, like a boardwipe or straightup killing them outright on the very next turn.
>>96671651Not necessarily. The magic of politics is leveraging what your opponent does know and holding back what he doesn’t know until its too late. With good planning your opponent won’t know he’s making the wrong move.
>>96670884What are your plans anon?
>>96671601People who play EDH and hate politics are weird
>>96671334
>>96671742My politics are simple, if you give me a card or a treasure, ill use it to kill you first, i ant nobodys puppet
>>96671551>small bean syndromethats when people complain about being attacked and have nothing to say excpet "no, hit the other guy instead" and relies on people being too new or short sighted to see 3 tirns down the lineproper politics is "don't attack me and I'll do you a favor", not "wah wah but why not hit him instead"
>>96671742I like killing people first who try to make deals and politic the hardest. They always seethe the hardest. It's fun to make politick fags sperg.
>>96671742because edh players are bad at politics>move to swing at a guy who’s open with my curiosity dork>”you attack me with that you’re gonna regret it I’ll make both of us lose”>think he’s bluffing because im running removal heavy and its the beginning of the game.>alright im biting>he proceeds to alpha strike me with his board every turn and I burn all my removal on him>we both loseYeah so I learned my error with that table and now I just don’t give any info and hit whoever attacks whoever attacks me with a stick until I can do the thing (tm)
>>96671777Appearing weak when you are strong is the epitome of the art of war.
>>96671776>>96671786>>96671788Makes less sense to me than cEDH and is more against the format than tutors.
>>96671708Wow you've totally convinced me anon.>>96671724>hmm my opponent wants me to act a certain way, surely this is in MY best interest he wants me to win!As said, politicking is people intentionally playing bad, usually due to some misguided notion of what a "social game" is. Cant wait til the community is done with this YouTube cancer
>>96671788>bad at politics>two players playing terribly in the name of politicsWhat a fantastic commendation
>>96671795>against the formati won't fall for your silver tongue and I onow that your deck is slower and weaker than mine, I will press my advantage while I can
>>96671794That doesnt work nor is it relevant when your opponents can see you are holding a bunch of guns (cards in hand and a deck) unless its bracket 1 you are a threat. Ignoring the "small bean" is just retarded politicking
>>96671840It works in every single game and real life too, smoothbrain.
>>96671795If you play EDH because you crave social interaction, fuck right off. I play to win and the second reason I play is to make faggots tilt and sperg out because it brings me joy.
>>96671811Obviously you don’t just come out and say what you want them to do. Sometimes you do if they have no choice but to believe you. You use politics in your games even if you think you don’t. Not finishing off players to leave threats on the board for the next man is politics. Staying silent and not giving any info is politics and is honestly the best default strategy if you can’t get a read on the table. It’s not about “do this and get that” it’s just sales, you find out what the other players want and you try to use that to get yourself ahead. The want part is easy, everyone wants to win. That’s why you never give that part away. A smart player will know you’re trying to win too, but that’s where the unknown part comes into play. They might have a winning strategy in their hand and you might not. Or vice versa.
>>96671884In my experience the people who talk the most and try to be big brain politickers tend to be the weakest players and tend to be easily manipulated and fluffed simply by staying silent and showing no reaction to anything. I learned this from my days in 1v1 tournaments before EDH became huge but it's more true with EDH yappers. I have gotten so many wins by simply not reacting and showing zero reaction or tells as players mindfuck themselves in to assuming I'm bluffing when actually I have nothing in my hand and would have lost if they simply attacked me with their board.
>>96671795>blah blah blahi want gonna hear blabber, i see more mana or more creatures and i swing, shrimple as that
>>96671860>every gameNope. Absurd thing to say. Literally any 1v1 game? Any actual competitive game? Nope! Id say it in fact does NOT work in most games.>real lifeSure.... but that has absolutely no relation to the discussion.
>>96671884>words words wordsAnon you have nothing to teach me. You dont have some special insight into the game. Honestly youre just too dumb to realize people do politics for fun, not because it results in proper or even beneficial gameplay.
>>96671922This belief you have is why you are bad at deckbuilding and edh.
>>96671931>cowed by one paragraph argument thinking its an attack on his intellectAight nigga keep selling yourself short see if I care.
>>96671663>format where the intent was to play weird janky cards and huge 8 mana dragons>the game is obviously supposed to end on turn 4
>>96671971Why do I feel a strange urge to suck cocks when looking at that image?
>>96671971>THE POINT OF THE FORMAT WAS 9 HOUR GAMES WHERE YOU PLAY WOOD ELEMENTAL
>>96671374>>96671632I had a guy concede on turn 2 because I played Charitable Levy and it cucked him out of playing mana rocks, after he took a greedy 2 land hand. Was fucking hilarious.Gods, I love this card.
>>96671686It unfortunately is not, because it's much easier to spam +1/+1 counters and double them than it is to do -1 counters. You can't use wither or infect creatures against them either since the counters get so out of hand so fast, your creatures will just die.
>>96671979>levy>p1 casts artifact>p2 casts artiface>I proliferate in response>get ro play without the taxbig brain
>>96671977erm, yes sweaty. run along to legacy where all the kiddies play thoracle combos and theres no suboptimal decks that can win against you and cause a meltie
>>96671991>people bitch about long matches>but also want everyone to use draft chaffe and original elder dragons.Your games would be hours.
>>96671977Hell fucking yeah it is. If someone managed to pull off a win with Wood Elemental I would buy them dinner.>>96672000Not really, since you'd be able to assemble stupid janky combos easier without all the busted as fuck free commander spells and broken commander staples.>>96671990It's such an inoffensive stax card and yet it infuriates people. Not my problem that WOTC refuses to print good ramp or card draw for White usually, and this is one of the absolute best.
I AM A PIG I NEED MORE SLOP NOW MARO
>>96671991Legacy is actually shit now due to constant power creep every set with wotc no longer designing for or playtesting for the format.
>>96671983what if I put +1/+1/ counters on my wither cards so they can put out more -1/-1 counters?proliferate mirror keyword when
>>96671971The point of the format is 100 card 4 player singleton with a commander. Everything else is your personal headcanon and desire for 2 hour games.
>>96672012Not a bad idea, but every +1/+1 counter spam card also has an absurd ETB and inflated stats usually.>>96672017This anon doesn't get it at all... I bet he plays thoracle.
>>96672017
>>96671401tournament edh is currently a fucking joke and I will never take it seriously until they start addressing the glaring issues with etc. playing for draws and seat 1 having a huge advantage over others"casual" cedh with friends > regular edh >>>>>>>>>>absolute fucking dogshit>>>>>>>>>>tedh
Neriv deck, I have 17 open slots, w/ 35 landstrying to figure out what to cut... or add
>>96670154Yes I believe
>>96672166How about some of the funny guys that kill themselves at the end of the turn
>>96672166>CutAll UBslop>AddAngerOrthion Robber of the RichStigma Lasher
>>96672245Non serious post. Don't reply to advice based questions if you're going to act retarded.
I like playing big long games that don't end in 5 turns
>>96672166Throw some slop on it piggy, it will cause your UB cards to trigger twice
>>96667876How's cleric tribal like? Life gain shenanigans?
What are you favorite lands to run?
>>96672166Two more lands. Cut them later if you have to but don't be silly.
>>96672245>the meme I made years ago and been reposting is used against medamn I love being alive
>>96672281Unironically the non-full art Spidey lands. Except the mountain. The mountain sucks.
>>96668370These "our commander" cards can be pretty insane. Though once the table learns how trample works and how the damage can be assigned they become a little less good
>>96671977Literally, yes.
>>96672166I added Mardu Siegebreaker to Zurgo recently. I have a lot of faith in that one.
>>96672281TBD nyx lands
Anyone used MPC lately? Am I going to get hit with some 70 dollar tariff on a 20 dollar order if I use them?
>>96670340The people youre playing against are just bad
>>96672435>Your deck only works vs 80% of the playerbasePretty good rate
>>96672281would love a lot of those classics in foil. but I have to make due with my extended alters of misc basics
> anon posts a pictire of his deck which has like 4 UB cards / 100.> poopdickschizo replies multiple times to call him a slop enjoyer after maniacally scanning the picture for UB artHoly yikes
>>96672539>Noooo there's a card without scrimblo brimblo! Help me Prof!
I AM A PIG AND I EAT SLOP
Is this UB?
Just saw this existedDamn I really want a drawfag to make me a custom treasure like this except its the Joker and hes setting the cash on fire.
>>96672613>gold triangleYes
>>96672276Extremely dull and boring
>>96672639damn you just triggered some form of autism in meI dont like the gold triangle or the oval that they put on the bottom of frames and now that I see them they make me want to run exclusively retro frames
>>96669296This seems like it could be cool. The topping off lower damage spells with her effect and doing exactly damage would be a decent mini game during a game
>>96669355Didn't they already show different versions of these characters in the teasers? It looks like we'll be getting a version of them but not this exact version.
>>96669436How does Altair play out? He was my favorite from his series and his effect looked cool in theme but assassin's seem like such a limited tribe.
>>96672677the triangle/oval always annoys me desu
>>96672391>>96672293>>96672271>>96672245>>96672237Thank you for submitting your feedback and ideas. Here is the decklist.not pictured: devastating onslaught, lasher, malakir rebirthcards on the bottom are sideboard /honourable mentionscard most likely to be cut: orthion
>>96672281mono rob alexander
>>96672802add mirkwood bats
>>96672802You are running three colors, and I imagine you don't have many basics. sunspine lynx will fuck you up
>>96671979I know the price of the gamble whenever I risk a hand like that, and it's usually a cluster of pity and hilarity when I make it clear on turn 3 that "no, no more lands, I am gonna discard.." until like turn 8 when the entire table erupts in cheers when I draw my 3rd land (and proceed to get instakilled now that I am borderline contender for being able to play the game)
YUMMY YUMMY SLOP IN MY TUMMY
>>96672281depends on what deck I'm playing. I'm trying to collect Dragonstorm or Tarkir lands for my new dragon deck!
>>96672637just wait until le marvel set comes out, maybe your dream will come true
>>96672946>joker>marvelHere's your (You)
>>96672956>Magic The Gathering>MarvelHere's yo- oh wait, nevermind.
>>96672802As an enjoyer of (goodstuff value pile) slop my new opinion is that Warren Soul Trader would be the card for you
Don't you love retards itt
>>96672332Gross
>>96673002Better than a schizo having an 8 hour long melty
>>96672819This is excellent
>>96672281I usually try to keep my lands in theme with the commander I'm playing. But when I'm not sure or can't find one I've got a bit of a soft spot for the New Capenna lands so sometimes I'll use those.
>>96672613Technically yes, but it's so inoffensive due to them being from another board game that it really doesn't matter. Seeing a guy called 'Mastermind Plum' is entirely different than seeing a literal fortnite character.
>>96672281I use whatever I have lying around, but I like to use the Knights vs Dragons ones because thats how I got introduced to Magic
I'm just playing mono from now on
>>96673317I've been doing similarly the last year or so and it's been pretty fun trying to work within the limits of each color. Which commanders are you thinking of trying?
>>96673335I will build Oketra again.
>>96670772Got some bad news for you about that, flash was banned like 7 years ago
>>96672237Nta but I really like groundbreaker and I wish they'd do a whole cycle of (X)RR themed lightning elementals like the old themed counterspells
>>96672637>Everything Burns>Separate all artifacts target opponent controls into 2 piles, they sacrifice all artifacts in one pile and you gain control of all artifacts in the other
>>96673341Oketra is cool. The gods from from set were fun. Which one? Zombie making Oketra or double strike indestructible Oketra?
>>96673404So not everything? Only half the things burn?
>>96673404>one emtpy>everything in the otherwhat do you choose
What would be the best wedge/shard for waifus? I was thinking about building goth waifu tribals (well, themed deck, sadly goth waifu isn't a creature type) and had a few ideas: 1) Thalia and the Gitrog Monster, stax/hatebear style, with Thalias, Elesh Norns, Meren, Katilda and Adeline2) Jeleva, for theatric cabaret of goth witches (Tasha, Lilianas) and a bit of wheels. 3) classic Kaalia and the angels4) swamp witches worshiping Muldrotha, coven with Sidisi, Meren, Vraska, Savra, Glissa5) Y'shtola and elegant waifu lifegain aristocrats with Elesh Norns, Sheoldred, altars and angelsStill think where I should place Judith, but is there any obvious top tier waifu I might have overlooked?
>>96673469
>>96673438I'm going to be a spiteful bastard at that point and just sacrifice everything
>>96673430zombie
>>96673469Mardu has the highest hit rate for attractive girls imo
>>96673404It should be >Gain control of everything artifact>sac all artifacts at the beginning of the next end phase>Create a 2/2 mercenary for each treasure/artifact token sacrificed this way/this turn
>>96673524They have both angels and vampires, difficult to beat that.
>>96673532oh that one is good
Is Lyse better or does the always-on double strike and unblockability make wraith competitive?
>>96673637I think they're different enough to not really be compared like that. Wraith is more Voltron, Lyse wants you focus on evasive cantrips and temporary pump to keep activating her effect.
>>96673637depends
>>96673637Lyse is better if the goal is spells longer stuff. In UW presumably some of the spells you're churning through give evasion. The cost reduction is a big deal too.Wraith is probably better for Voltron/counters strategies.
>>96673524>boros girls>orzhov girls>rakdos girlsa wide variety
>>96673718>no elf girls>no golgari girlsI like them stinky and natural.
>>96673736rakdos is stinky
>>96673317So just one deck?
>>96673778Seems like dumb bullshit with Ashaya
>>96673778Based
>>96673778Filtered by the autism tax
>>96673778>"I like this card but the person on it is the 'wrong' color :("Are the chuds really this cucked?
>>96673778Omg anon is SO cool
>>96673889Legitimately, yes.
>>96673778pay 25 cents and get a your own proxy
>>96673500That's some interesting tech for her. Guess white does have some self bounce options to fuel her zombie production.
Post underused cards that are functionally identical to other more popular effects.
>>96673003I like cityscapes. It would be 10 times better with spidey shopped out.
>>96673778>is that....a CARD WITHOUT WHITE SCRIMBLO BRIMBLO?! Help me Adolf!Cry
>>96673889>>96674025MILLIONS must die (be sacrificed for value)
>>96674099how about you Mobilize (kill yourself (at the end of turn))
>>96674025>AHHHHHHH DID SOMEONE POST A HECKIN RACISM SCRIMBLO? IM LOSING MY MIIIIIIND>>>/reddit/
>>96674140It would be fine if it was like a joke or something. Going "Guyz I can't play card I want cuz nigz" is just cuck behavior.HERE KEKY KEKY
>>96674148>NOOOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MEAN YOUR HECKIN RACISM SCRIMBLOS, THEY'RE MEANT TO BE LE FUNNY HAHAS!!!>>>/reddit/>>>/reddit/>>>/reddit/
>>96673637Having double strike and unblockable builtin is hard to beat.
>>96674140>>96674160your safe space is this way chvd>>>/pol/
>>96673472I am romantically attracted to every single angel in my Kaalia deck.
>>96674230based
>>96674230So is Kaalia
>>96673472
>>96674287well yes naturally
I'm at commander night, sat next to a 17 year old chinese guy. He's watching family guy funny moments in mandarin, pausing it to take his turn.
>>96673365I really like Putrefax which is similar but infect. I wont a that opening sealed tournament because I luckily pulled three of them. Two regular and one foil. I was black/green infect and had other good cards and absolutely stomped the whole thing undefeated and won a ton of packs. Felt good, man.
>move to new LGS>the singles selection is dogshit garbage>the basics are free thoughI thought it was only a legend
>>96674351what deck
I have not played Commander with other people before.I picked this commander precon from my hobby store, and im planning on improving it base and YOUR(4Chan /tg/) input not a youtuber or tickoker. I know other people brings their trade binders and the hobby store seles some singles.So my question to you all is, what cards can improve the "Knights" and overall gameplay for this precon.Im willing to burn at least 300 bucks if the cards are worth the gameplay value without taken the fun out (no infinite combos, infinite mana/token/mills etc)
>>96674472>not a youtuber or tickoker.>he says shortly before kvetching about infinite combos like a youtuberok lol
>interested in Lorwyn 5-colorslop elemental precon>comes with a price increase ah well, to the printer it goes
>>96674489Sorry, I like to have fun, not make other people life miserable.
>>96674491It's not at the base prices? Is it considered one of this "premium" precons?
>>9667449180 or whatever is the new standard from commander precons.
>>96674541No, they're just doing a base price increase
>>96674472Pick up some better lands, precon landbases are... getting better, but still questionable. Put in more interaction, you are playing blue, no reason you shouldn't be playing a good suite of counterspells.After that, just play it for a bit and see what you like and what you don't like. Add some stuff that could qualify as a finisher, to help you actually close out games like moonshaker cavalry
You guys don't steal your precons from Walmart?
>>96674579Nah I'm not from the south
>>96674442>PutrefaxAhhhh yes, my green pet card. I slide it into all my decks even though none of them do infect/proliferate. Throwing it at someone who's wide open always produces a good time because no one knows I have absolutely nothing to back it up with, not even reanimation
>>96674287
>>96674351>family guy>funny moments
>>96674574Are survey lands a reasonable upgrade lands?Or the bounce lands a better choice?Gameplay wise and price wise.I been doing some dry runs on Forge, and it feels like I could use a better mana engine. What mana artifacts could help on a multiple player scenario where the mana ramp has quite a power creep.
>>96674655Filter and check lands are the best budget options
>>96674655Surveil lands are much better than bouncelands, but are much much much more expensive
>>96674655Surveils are easily some of the best lands available, and as such start to climb out of "budget" territory.Bounce lands are only TRULY useful if you have catch-up ramp or landfall triggers, otherwise they're just another tapland.
>>96674655surveil lands often cost as much as shocks
>>96674655>mana engineIts called lands and thats all you really need.
>>96674579Some binder binder dude is selling some cards @ .75 cents and some for mytics for $20 over all lowballing the store.>Anon don't buy from that guy he steals his cards from target and other tournaments.Me:"Why is he allowed here?">kick him out would be racist.Realized is the only black guy.
>>96674711
>>96674351Probably won without even engaging with the table
>>96674678But once the untap on the battlefield, they are quintessentially dual lands for less than a dollar.They suck on the first turn, but im missing something?
>>96674351Thats the reason I stop doing commander nights, fucking turns take forever and everyone is vibing different 100 times worst if a female on the table.
>>96674806Bounce lands are fine but taplands are a drawback. One turn later, especially in commander where that is 3 other people going, is a long time. Just a good way to mess with curving out as well. That being said, if you are in a casual environment, a tapped land shouldn't be a death sentence. This thread lives in some delusional reality where land destruction is super common so easy targets are bad
>>96674655Surveil lands are going to be good in a deck like yours where putting things into your graveyard is actively beneficial, and are probably worth the price if you are willing to pay. Besides that, as somebody else mentioned, there are plenty of other solid budget options available. Filter lands, signet lands, and check lands are all dirt cheap and solid options. As for ramp, your options are limited in these colors. White has some "catch up" type cards such as knight of the white orchid which is probably fine here, and something like sword of the animist can be helpful in colorless. Most everything has solid options for generating treasure these days, Black market connections is a pretty obvious include here particularly as it can generate knights for you as well. Otherwise there is always just mana rocks. Consider, however, your main method of getting shit into play: you have a pretty solid reanimator piece in the command zone that triggers on hit, which means that if you have double strike on them, it will trigger twice. Running various double strike enablers will not just help your aggressive gameplan, but effectively "ramp" you by allowing you to cheat things into play twice a turn instead of just once.
>>96674806you're not, it's just that if you're looking to upgrade a precon's landbase without wanting to jump to surveils/shocks, you should be looking at duals that come in untapped or have some condition to enter untapped, rather than taplands that just come in precons
>>96674806You effectively aren't doing anything with that land the turn you play it. That could be too slow depending on your table. You'd want the land to at least do something once it enters if it's going to have to enter tapped.
>>96674820>100 times worst if a female on the table.this but some nerd or fat guy
>>96674806As commander has gotten more optimize, the opportunity cost of not having lands that tap for mana right away gets higher and higher.
>>96674806Sweaty...
>>96674806>1st turn>play a normal land>do whatever can do with one land>2nd turn>tap land>cast something with 1 mana (ex: sol ring )>place bounce land >bounce back normal tap land>do what ever I can with 2 generic mana>3rd turn>place normal land back>potential mana gen 3color mana and 2 generic Thats an average commander cost right there.
>>96674455Mono black theft with that kaldheim guy
>>96674895>Chinaman steals ideas from others to use against themKino
>>96674888ok cool, what if you get a bounceland on turn 4?
>>96674899What if this is on my opening hand?
>>96674613I like you.
>>96674472>>96674655Out of curiosity, are you new to Magic as a whole? Your assessment of power level is kind of out of wack, you decry the concept of combos and mill for being powerful/unfun but don't seem to understand why entering tapped is a huge nerf to any land.
>>96669933Deadpool is evil and Spider Noir is an antihero.Nathan Drake is not a hero. Ellie does not matter and never will.
>>96674955I been playing for weeks, my power level is through the roof!Yes im "new" im getting into commander, but i have not played against "real" people just simulators and mental scenarios based on test hands.
>>96674943Fucking with people like that is half the fun of Magic. 10/10 would recommend.
Do any of you fun men build Predh decks or has that fad already died forever?
>>96675014unfortunately I love original Innistrad block too much
>>96675014Like every other commander variant, I ended up being the only one around who built a deck for it.
>>96674988Yep. It's why I like playing counterspells in mono-white.
>>96675044I tried so hard to get my friends into Tiny Leaders or whatever it was called, only 1 person did so. The idea is great and I wish it caught on more
>>96674655>>96674678Surveil lands are only strong once you have a full set of fetchlands to go with them. Without that, they're just sidegrades to temples. Battlebond lands are the actual strongest duals without spending $200+ on fetches first.
>>96674655bounce lands are rad if you can get stuff out of bouncing your lands or lands that tap for multi-mana (landfall, white catchup ramp, powerful MDFCs like Sea Gate Restoration, lands with effects on enter, multiple land drops a turn, untapping your lands, etc)Surveil lands are much better generically though, especially since they can be fetched
>>96674962Deadpool has the hero typing and works with heroes all the time.
>>96674230>>96674287my Kaalia deck runs 0 ramp, I replaced all the ramp with more protection spells and I actually started winning moreturns out theres no point in ramping out Kaalia ASAP when some guy can just hold up 1 or even 0 mana to kill her and then you instantly lose
>>96675086So? Deadpool is still evil. He often kills innocent people with his recklessness.
>>96675111So do 90% of hero characters
>>96674965If youre new you should develop your own opinions on all the ways to play the game anon :)
>>96675014Not a fad. it's the only thing I build now. And the popularity only grows as the hatred of modern magic does. There are more moxfield decks being made than ever. My personal cutoff for deckbuilding is magic origins in 2015. I have not bought a new magic card once in over a year. I dont think cutting Innistrad, RTR or Khans is super needed because I consider those still golden age nostalgia, as well as the early commander decks like the mimeoplasm not being super commander centric. I do have some pure PreDH decks too though. but I play them at the table with my friends normal commander stuff and they clean up. And that's what makes it not a fad like oathbreaker, you can still play it as a normal legal commander deck.It's the same as premodern, it only gains traction as wizards attempts to kill the game. They should rename it though
>>96674965>those old ass paper YGO matsI'm pretty sure I still have some of those, fuckAnyway at the risk of coming off as a big autistic nerd, I'd recommend reading some stuff on the concepts of tempo and mana curves/bases. Magic is a hilariously complicated game and people have put serious effort into analyzing many aspects of it. Frank Karsten did some good writeups on the concept that you might find useful, at least as a baseline.https://archive.is/17hhzhttps://archive.is/UvU8mhttps://archive.is/x0zK5Also when did tcgplayer buy ChannelFireball because getting redirected there when I try to check it is just disgusting
>>96674655Bounce lands are amazing now, people don't use land destruction much at all anymore, they give you a guaranteed land drop for the next turn, and give you value you for untap land effects like frantic search. Play both, as you get to surveil twice if you bounce it (and arent hurting for mana, as they both come in tapped)
https://archidekt.com/decks/16448759/another_try_at_ashnodthoughts on this deck?>al bhed salvagersI dont like the UB cards was trying to make this primarly a deck about sacrifice activated abilities rather than stuff that triggers off of them
>>96675105I wish more people would learn this lesson. It's so annoying when I see people cast their commander on curve and then get butthurt when someone instantly removes it
What is a good amount of basics for a 3 color deck with 38 lands?
>>96675236Budget?
>>96675105that's what I did, I just durdle around getting a protection suite set up then go apeshit. It's practically a secret Voltron deck at this point
>>96675240No Limit
>>96675171Fuck now it feels like I need a degree to be out in public with fellow tards.Are the chick hot, does commander nights have a nice male to female ratio?
>>966752520
>>96675254You DO NOT want to play this game with women.
Will any sets add new bouncelands?
>>96675255>>96675236Never 0. There's a handful of cards that make you get a basic if someone plays it against you
>>96675199>you get to surveil twice if you bounce it
>>96675254My lgs has a pretty big scene for a fairly small town: Usually around 40 peopleThere are about thee women, none of them are attractive, none of them are good at the game, all of them are taken.
>>9667523638
>>96675230There is a better non UB card than Al Bhed, noob
>>96675332>40*gets social anxiety*Love the game, love the cards, hates the gathering part.
>>966752363
>>96675372Come to my lgs, anon. We have 60
You're not poor, right?
>>96675381Of course not, I can afford colored ink cartridges.
Spider-Man
>>96675381built for ojous...
>>96675236Depends on the colors and what's in the deck, mana pips, etc.I think around 1-4 of each color is the min/max you'd want to run.
>>96675378Imagine the smell.
>>96675407Amazing...
>>96675403But your printer can't make foil cards...
>>96675403THAT'S NOT OFFICIAL CARDBOARD I AM REPORTING YOU
>>96675160Good to hear that at least someone plays it. I'd be interested to hear what commanders you run. I was personally considering Intet or Oros because I love the planar chaos primevals.
>friday night commander>fuck yeah>play my fun deck to start the night>’it’s a 3’ - wins on turn 4 with an infinite>spent more time driving here than playing>dont even feel like playing
Does anyone here know if creased inner sleeves can damage the cards placed into them? I can't seem to find a definitive answer other than Google's a.i. and that isn't exactly the most reliable source.
Give me your wackiest tribal ideas. I need to make something that isn't Eldrazi, Slivers, or Goblins.
>>96675582Vampires.
>>96675582The problem with most of the sillier tribes is they don't have enough support to be more than playing a lot of generic tribal support and lords and praying to not get board wiped.
>>96675582Skeletons
>>966755825 color elemental horde of notions blink pile with all the lorwyn evoke elementals even the worst ones that's right you're playing dawnfluke you're playing glarewielder and you don't give a fuck
>>96675582Devils
>>96675597I have a friend who (tries to) play a shapeshifter tribal deck. It's janky as all fuck though.
NEW>>96675667>>96675667>>96675667
>>96671157>Can this slimy dude still work nowadays?...- sure, brackets are a thing, sultai is pretty synergistic, and it can hit any graveyard.gy hate and interaction is a thing... but is it tho, maybe somebody has the same threat assement as yourself...
>>96675582Belbe with as many genuinely bad X spells or artifacts as possible.>captcha: redditors playing EDH
Need some advice. Would buying two commander starter precons and playing with just two players work? What hurdles or problems would you foresee with a 1v1 game? I've played regular 60 card mtg before, but never played edh.
>>96676997You can totally do this1v1 commander already exists as a format; it's called brawlIt really only exists on arena but it is a thing - though in that the starting life total is 25 rather than commander's 40
>>96677030Ah, I see. 25 Starting life sounds much more sensible than 40 if you're just playing with two. I imagine games could drag on quite a bit without that rule.
spidey haters btfo
>>96675236If you have no limit for your budget, I'd just run 1 of whatever your most frequent pip is. The amount of answers to any kinds of lands is so minimal that you will so rarely be punished for next to no basics in your deck. If you do experience people actually blowing up lands in your meta, then increase the basics count accordingly.
What do you personally think of politicking in your games? Some is okay? None at all? Full blown filibustering/angle shooting is fine?
>>96677775filibustering is for NIGGERS but if you don't play politics in multiplayer games you're just straight doing it wrongbut there's an art to it, and when people who suck at it spend a lot of time trying to do it, GOD that's painful
