Eclipsed Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96674468>TQWhat did you like about the original Lorwyn and Shadowmoor?
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As the GOD of PIGS I demand or SLOP.
>>96680620Here
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>>96680620Dominik Mayer fodder coming through
>>96680620Swine provender
>>96680620Suid forage my liege
>>96680620More pork's mast
>>96680620Feed for the hogs
>>96680620That's all for now.
Universes beyond is just utterly pointless. I wonder what the first vocal defenders and proponents of it were thinking.
>>96680830>I wonder what the first vocal defenders and proponents of it were thinking.Literally nobody was a proponent of it.During its first releases, not a single person in all of MTG was for it.
>>96680553>TQhags
>>96680830people scream "more players = good" but fail to see that UBtourists rarely play and only collect which is why the numbers are so high.this is also why real magic sets don't perform so well because people who actually play the game buy product to only play rather than collect a whole set only for it to magically gather dust in a closet
>TQHow it exposed why flash as an ability was always bad design
>>96680553>What did you like about the original Lorwyn and Shadowmoor?Nice way to have cards that can fit in either colour pie fit in both
>>96680849based hag enjoyer
>>96680849why did they call her that?
>>96680553>TQProbably the cinders and flamekin, they made a big impression on me back in the day for some reason. Also the neat throughlines between lorwyn and shadowmoor like how all the hideaway lands ended up getting creatures that matched their conditions later on.
>>96680850This. It used to be that maybe you'd buy a box or two and just trade cards for the stuff you want and didn't get. How MTG is supposed to be. And their old collector products like the from the vaults boxes would be there so you could get some reprints of the old cards you could use to play. No serialization either. And they weren't insanely priced but $30-$40 and you'd just pre-order them through your shop.
>>96680553>tqidk i started playing during lci
>>96680830>I wonder what the first vocal defenders and proponents of it were thinking.>"This is going to massively boost our sales"It isn't that hard to figure out that they all do it for money.Granted, company needs to make sales, but damn, there is a right way and a disgusting way.
>The year is 2032. The MTG Goldfish guys are celebrating a historic milestone: reaching 1000 episodes of the Goldfish podcast. On this episode:>Richard returns to the Goldfish podcast to discuss WoTC's annual Universes Within set release. Richard abandoned Goldfish altogether not long after leaving the commander podcast to become a full-time One Piece content creator, now hosting the "One Piece Goldfish" podcast where he consistently angers his own listeners by trashing every new Luffy card, and in his spare time pilots off meta One Piece decks to respectable 45% win rates. On this episode, Richard laments every card from this new set as "unplayable in a meta dominated by Izzet Johnny Bravo/Lisa Simpson combo". >Seth took over as the head of MTG Goldfish after Richard's departure. In this episode, Seth is in an uphill battle to save Standard, arguing that the format cannot survive a world in which the best deck, Izzet Johnny Bravo/Lisa Simpson, comprises 65% of all decks played at the last pro tour. As one of Standard's remaining 20 players, Seth himself qualified for the pro tour by default, narrowly missing out on Day 2 after succumbing to Crim's Dora the Explorer Dimir control.
>However, after Rudy from Alpha Investments secured a controlling stake in the company, WoTC have held firm to their commitment to hold ban updates only once every 3 years, just before rotation, for fear of alienating the delicately curated playerbase of pokemon scalpers that they have cultivated.>Crim (lead consultant on the Johnny Bravo set), thinks the meta is as interesting as it has ever been, talking in great detail about the intricacies of playing out the Johnny Bravo mirror. If anything, Crim argues that the meta could be improved by the banning of another card, a fringe card but nevertheless one of the few barely playable Universes Within cards left in standard: a 3 mana simic enchantment with "landfall: Target artifact or creature loses all abilities and becomes a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3." Richard and Seth laugh at the idea that this draft chaff needs to eat a ban.
>>96680830I have literally never seen someone outside of Cummander scum defending UB. Or actually thinking is a good idea.
Goonmander players are hypersocialized cattle. Of course they will never dare to risk ever voicing or implying a negative statement that could jeopardize their social standing.
>>96681008they killed 1v1 because it gave high IQ asian and white men something to live for
>TQshapeshifters, because they let me play my favorite KINDRED deck. Boars
>>96680996>PicI still love how angry people got over Seth having some harmless bants with some dude on the internet
>>96681087Back in my day we could call each other “retarded niggerfaggot” and everyone would laugh…
>>96680620SLOP FOR THE SLOP GOD
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>>96680835And yet people bought it, because WOTC was essentially saying they’d never print them again. Meaning you’d have to get them now or never. And they’d only appreciate in value. Hence them justifying all of this.
why are faeries like this?
>>96681290they're built for the BBC (BIG BOGGART COCK)
>>96681265Interesting that every part of the cycle has the same artist doing both the land and the creature except for the black one. Who knows what happened there.
>>96681290Generic anime girls with le translucent wings are not my faerie.
>>96681308>generic anime girls>when it's just generic blue womenthe bug fairies are more anime that just purple girls with butterfly wings
What is the one (1) land you NEVER want to see your opponent play on the first turn?
>>96680996When did that cuckold of seth become so based?
>>96681355stripmine
>>96681355any tron piece
>Lorwyn has a strong bug aesthetic among the faeries and elementals>Only a few actual bugs in all four sets, all from ShadowmoorSuch a pity.
>>96681355Mutavault
>>96681355Basic island
>>96681355cavern of souls
>>96681383bad news, bozo!
>>96681266Yep. Wedge the door open with FOMO then vomit into the house once you've done it.Disgusting, manipulative business practices from top to bottom of UB. Lie to players in order to boil the frog. And by the time you go back on your lies, simply declare it's a success so you lying was, actchuallly, a good thing.People who partake in such behavior are a blight upon the world.
>>96681420What on God’s greasy taint IS that shit fuck
>>96681435Whoa, cool it with the antisemitism.
>>96681420>Mutavault TokenMutavault Token>Mutavault TokenMutavault Token>Mutavault TokenMutavault Token>Mutavault TokenThis shit rustle my jimmies like you wouldn’t believe…
>>96681420Ah yes. UB is now slop so UW must also be slop. The swine demons must be driven into the sea.
>>96681355Not playing a land purposely and moving to discard. Because they're hitting the reanimate next turn on whatever they're discarding
>>96681484>they didn't build their deck so they didn't need to skip
Just an FYI if you don’t play tempo/midrange you're an asshole. RULES EXIST FOR A REASON. FOLLOW THEM.
>>96681520>TempoWorst aggro you mean?>MidrangeControl for faggots you mean?Sorry i rather play combo and shit on all 4 archetypes.
>>96681520>play aggro, watch this retard cry>play control, watch this retard cry
>>96681520fuck you, I shove a combo into every deck I play
I want to play wall tribal
>>96681601 mind if I play a game?
When this fuckers will ban Nemesis, Cutter, Mice and Cruise from Pioneer?
>>96681631>mind if i lose a game?No problem little guy, hop on in here. It's a bracket 3 table. Sure you can handle it?
>>96681632>Pioneerwhats that
>>96681632They will never make a ban in pioneer ever again because noone cares about it enough to check how bad of a state it's in
pioneer is getting skipped in 2026 as well. is the format dead? i've been saving up wcs for a pioneer deck but now i'm thinking about just spending it on a timeless deck
>no spoilers>trough is empty
>>96681671They dumped all the slop at once and we over ate. Im still so excited for Avatar holy shit!!! My girlfriend will be playing the hell out of this set with me after I pick her up from daycare
>>96681308>>96681314different plaine, eldraine vs lorwyn/shadowmoor
I never watched Avatar but always heard people say how great the worldbuilding is.Just looking through the cards, every animal is just animal + animal like cat + gator or bird + bee.This is so gay.
>>96681661it's dead until they drop pioneer horizons in 2027 and then they release pioneer 2 shortly after
>>96681367He shows glimmers of his true thoughts from time to time if you pay attention. He's stuck in the same trap all these other content creators are in where they basically became self-employed shills when it seemed impossible for things to get this bad and now they don't what to do with themselves. We're living through times that would be laughed off as flippant doomposting in previous years.
>>96681705Its literally a kids show written for kids. People just have nostalgia for it
>>96681705It is a good show, but it is still a kids show
>>96681711Seth…?
>>96681705https://youtu.be/D2M9x69q6lY?si=PI3EUDjbmtxV2ko4
>>96681087>nooo you can't be snarky with us
>>96681728Seth isn't here, but that pain in his eyes beneath his forced smile is something that all of us know.
How come Spider-man doesn't have Commander?
Would this work as a black border card or only silver border?
>>96681799Because it started life as a 100 card mini-set and then got expanded to a bigger, albeit still small set, and there wasn't enough time to also make Commander decks in that timeframe I guess.
>>96681799Because WotC was already stretching it paper thin just to make it an undersized Standard set once they realized mini-sets were a bust
>>96681799Because it was originally Commander set.
>>96681802Apart from the Planeswalker type being silly it all functions in the rules of Magic. It's Form of the Dragon except you become a Planeswalker, etc. A proper version would probably have a rider of you losing the game when the Planeswalker side leaves.
>>96681802I don't see why it couldn't work in black border unless I'm missing something.
>>96681762Love how the old cards looked. A lot cleaner without the borders.
I like how Spiderman has been around for almost 100 years but they have to have 10 Peter Parkers and 4 Green Goobers because there aren't enough characters.
>>96681824To be fair, I think Symbiote Spider-Man and Cosmic Spider-Man are 'specific incarnations' of Peter so they at least make sense to exist separately, but a lot of the Peters aren't necessary. It also doesn't help that a lot of the supporting cast just wasn't all that present? Like... Mary Jane, Jameson, Aunt May and Flash Thompson I think were the only non-costumed characters to get anything, and Flash Thompson even still got Agent Venom anyway.
>>96681799like 90% of the cards in the set are legendary it already is a commander set
>>96681824Spider-Man's only been around 60ish years. You gotta look towards the likes of Batman or Superman to break 80 years. But to your point, it's just the nature of capeshit. The character and setting gets rebooted every couple decades, so there's a lot of recycling.
>>96680553>>TQ>What did you like about the original Lorwyn and Shadowmoor?I liked it because it was cool. First 2 sets had Tribal gimmick and Goblins, Merfolks, and Faeries going new colors. Also it was really cool to build kitchen table decks based on Tribal. Also the set looked foolish like a childrens' book but had really dark shit on arts. Shadowmoor was released when my playgroup was not buying as much new product (things were hard back then) so we couldn't enjoy it as much but we bought some starter decks and played around with them. The UW kithkin deck was really cool.Also I hate those "perfect" digital art representing Lorwyn.>>96680712If it was only God of War 1, 2 I could be tempted to buy, honestly>>96681265I love those cycles and also the "Gods" of shadowmoor.
>>96681810>A proper version would probably have a rider of you losing the game when the Planeswalker side leaves.Technically, if you would've lost the game because you're life is at 0 or you have 10 poison counters, you would lose the game if the planeswalker did leave the battlefield and the condition was still met. At most you'd be protected from Door to Nothingness or given an extra turn if your library has empty.
>>96681705The animals being weird hybrids of real life things aren't the focus of any worldbuilding except in one very narrow case. The claims of good worldbuilding are instead talking about the cultures of the setting, the events of the plot, and the mechanics of the superpowers.The one case of animals being hybrids being worldbuilding-y is when the main characters read that one of the kings of the settings just has... a pet bear. Not a platypusbear, or any other animal mix. It's just straight bear, and that's something weird as fuck that only a king would have.
is it possible to make a good deck that has at least 4x copies of earch card type?
>>96681631Should have been names "unstoppable Leveler" It is crazy how bad the card designs are nowadays, they can't even write simple references.>>96681696Kino art>>96681799I know, right? That must be why it failed!!-WOTC executive
>>96681705I mean, being a kids’ show is sort of an excuse, but it’s really part of the world to make it unique and less obvious a parallel to real life. (what with imperial Japan invading China, Tibet, eskimos, etc.) It also helps the actual fantasy/magical parts (dragons, sky bison, spirits, bending) feel a little less out of place.I rewatched the original series and for the most part it holds up- the animation is good, the character writing is solid, and the story/conflict is believable. It’s also another clear case of works of fiction being made better by the fires of upper management restraint, where the budget and broadcasting rules created innovation, rather than today where excess budget and meddling makes things terrible. Korra is pretty not great for a lot of things, so it’s not really worth checking out unless you’re already a fan.
>>96681932Decks that rely on high redundancy like aggro, ramp, and fast combo decks theoretically could.
>>96681025Based and Trufflesnout-pilled.
>>96681957Korra's not even worth checking out as a fan since it just shits up the setting and generally mishandles all the old characters and their legacies.
>>96681290This bothers me more than it should that this is not a "~* Triplets/Clique" card.
I'm coming back after 25 years. Last I played was 5th Ed., Urza. I can't believe how strong cards are now. You can bring out 3 10/10 creatures by turn 4.
>>96681932Made the deck way worse and there's no actual payoff for running all of these card types but I'm sure this can win games if you mulligan a lot
>>96682014>Turn 4Sorry, that’s no longer fast enough, gramps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuuCme8G3LkmhayashiGOD plays against grixis lutri in pioneer in the first match
>>96682014You can win the game on turn one.
I'm not sure what format to play, They all seem pretty bad:>Standard.Broken, expensive and horrible format that's just Vivi sucking off other Vivi's.>Pioneer.Dead>Modern.Modern Horizons block constructed.>Legacy.Pay £5000 to have not a single other soul play cards with you.>Vintage.I am convinced that Vintage is some sort of inside joke or meme.>(((Cuckmander))).The single worst format in magic. Brain dead and dumbed down enough as to not challenge normies too much.>Muh Beer, pizza and friends.I would much rather play Cosmic Encounters, or literally any other board game over this bullshit, if I were playing with friends and eating pizza.>Draft/Limited.I don't want to pay like £20 a week to play with shit sets.>Cube.I don't know a single person that have a cube.>Premodern.A meme format>Pauper.Maybe, but I don' know anyone around here that has a deck or plays this format.
>>96682110pioneer 2 will fix this
>>96682110You play whatever your LGS plays, and if they have multiple formats you play the least expensive for you to enter.
>>96682147>whatever your LGS plays>C*mmander, St*ndard & M*dernNo thank you
>>96682110Game's not for you man, go enjoy Cosmic Encounters with your friends. Serious answer. Avoid this game.
>EDH aka casual slop its the biggest market right now >startard its fucking dead>kill own integrity to shill other IPsvery grim to be a magic tranny these days
>standard game is kill because they refuse to balance it and ban shit>game is dead because they think designing absolute slop cards that are akin to masturbation is the way to make an interesting game>implying they don't know that they're trying to pander to the lowest of the lowest iq cattle by making games that play themselvesngl i think scalpers and speculators have the right ideabeing interested in any game in the current times is just a waste of time, money and brain cellsWhy the fuck did i need to have card game autism? Couldn't i just be addicted to porn like everyone else?
>commander is the one format where you are encouraged to proxy whatever you want to play since its just for fun and theres no official tournaments or anywhere that will actually check cards>commanderfags are for some reason the biggest whales in the game who will drop hundreds of dollars on all the overpriced precons, collector packs and secret lairs and regularly have decks that rival legacy deck pricesWhat causes this?
>>96682110>>Pauper>Maybe, but I don' know anyone around here that has a deck or plays this format.Pitch it at your lgs, make a few decks to get other people interested, convince LGS to have a pauper night.
>>96682276It's also still a social game, so for some people I imagine showing up with a foiled out commander deck is like showing off a rolex - sort of like a status symbol but actually much gayer. Also, people with low enough IQ to play commander generally don't make good financial decisions
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/796500793827180544/i-just-cant-handle-the-constant-invocation-of#notesPFHAHAHAHHA enjoy the slop trannies!!
>>96680580Is that really a reprint of celestial convergence or did you get the name wrong?https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/5/celestial-convergence
>>96682006>This bothers me more than it should that this is not a "~* Triplets/Clique" card.Maybe those are just the 1/1 faeries she makes
>>96682290They used to run Pauper, but dropped it for whatever reason. I had Dimir Faeries for that, shame, as it's the only way to play Faeries now.
>>96681631>>96681951>Should have been names "unstoppable Leveler" It is crazy how bad the card designs are nowadays, they can't even write simple references.For those who don't know, that's a specific type of juggernaut:https://mtg.wiki/page/Juggernaut#Levelersaside from the naming system, My questions include:Why is it lower power&toughness than the original leveler card: https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/195/levelerWhy does it turn your other creatures into juggernauts?
>>96681802>>96681810>>96681813>>96681916Aside from my question about whether it would work as a card, I'd like to say that the art is funny because Liliana looks very smug for some reason.
>>96682526Interestingly, it's not aligned with the phyrexians, it's actually killing them too:https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/the-legends-of-phyrexia-all-will-be-onehttps://x.com/jay13x/status/1615424766718119937https://mtg.wiki/page/Graaz
>>96682531All the mechanics included in that enchantment have already been printed on other cards. It would definitely *work* in black border, in the sense that it's compatible with the game's rulebook, but it also seems like a kind of deep cut into the core mechanics that WotC would hesitate to actually print in Current Year.
Does anyone keep up with Magic anymore? Like every set every product. Do you know anybody that does this successfully?When I actually played I'd be pretty good at remembering new cards that printed even if they weren't played much because their wasn't that much product coming down the slope tube.Between a new set every other month, previews that literally never stop, and 17 alt arts for every card, how the fuck could someone reasonably keep up with it?
>>96682392>Q: You do see how that argument ["Magic is an ever-changing thing"] could justify literally any change, right? It's not strictly true that change is good any more than it is that change is bad. Change is just change.>A: We in R&D try something new, usually because we have some hint that players might like something. If players like it, as a collective whole, we do more of it. If they don’t like it, we do less of it. Universes Beyond is not at the level it is because we wanted to force it onto the players. It’s not some evil agenda to make players play the way we want them to play. Universes Beyond is at the level it is because it’s a wild, run-away success, by every possible metric we have to measure success.It's kinda fascinating that many in the community don't seem to recognize that they care more about making money than what's healthy for the game. They're just making whatever sells well at this point, and most of the desires they've had to design certain things in Magic or experiment they've probably done long ago.>And note, it’s not just a success in Magic. Cross-branding is wildly successful everywhere right now. It’s a giant trend, and it’s happening because people, in general, really like it.This is the real slop that needs to be called out and it pains me that people just keep eating this shit up.>I’m saying we are following the will of the players, and the vast majority of the players want it. And yes, I think that Magic keeps evolving because it follows the will of the players is a good thing.Can't tell if this is his bank account talking or if he genuinely thinks UB in standard is somehow to the benefit of the Magic community.
OINK OINKWhen will we get more spoilers for Avatar?
>>96682110>too retarded to find a local scene and join it>too gay and antisocial to start a local sceneSuffer then retard
>>96682920>Suffer then retardI could do that, or simply not play this game and find something better to do with my time.
>>96682928That goes for everyone here, and yet here we are.
>>96682965>That goes for everyone here, and yet here we areIt is a curse. I've not played a proper game in months, but I enjoy the schadenfreude of watching this game spiral downwards into increasingly bizarre and clownish ways.
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>>96682422It's actually name is Celestial Reunion.
>>96681951Yeah because the fact I just found out from you that he's actually a leveler makes me like him way more. They should have just made him a cooler version of the orginial leveler though, exiling libraries in someway. Exiling your opponents like Ulamog or some kind of impulse draw for yourself
>>96682928Something better to do with your time, like bitch about a game you don't play on a Vietnamese animal husbandry forum?
>>96683159>Something better to do with your time, like bitch about a game you don't play on a Vietnamese animal husbandry forum?See >>96682971If you like I can explain to you what schadenfreude means, if that word is a little too big for you.
>Try YuGiOh's Genesys format>It's actually funMan I'm actually considering switching games.
>>96683366I have been considering this myself. How does the point system work in it?
>>96683377Good cards have point values assigned to them. Your deck needs to total up to 100 or less points.
>>96683366I already changed.You will pollute Standard with all sorts of external IPs that makes me wanna vomit? Ok, that’s already a red line but… SEVEN fucking products in a single year? And more from those IPs than from the actual game? It’s time to say goodbye. I’m just here now for the laughs.
I should not create custon tokens when horny -_-
how to fix standardadd budewadd ash blossom
Maybe I'm just completely wrong here, because I don't see how this many people in this thread can have such a different opinion on this card than I do besides me being wrong. But this card seems completely unplayable to me.The escape cost on this card is incredibly restrictive. GGUU means there's no way you could fit it into any 3 color decks, and simic does not have any good ways to get cards into their Graveyard on a regular basis to pay for the 5 exiled card requirement for the escape. This could have had some use in sultai with Yarok the Desecrated possibly, but there's no way you can fit black into a deck with this card reliably.I'm looking at this based on what matchups it'll go against. You don't want to play this against aggro decks because it's a 3 CMC growth spiral that can't be played at instant speed. If control decks become popular and escape becomes a serious mechanic, then Esper will run 3 CMC Kaya and beat this card by removing it from the GY. Leyline of the Void exists in standard, rendering it a moot point as well.If I want ramp I'm going to look at Risen Reef or Beanstalk Giant. If I want a card to reliably draw me cards, I'm going to look at Hydroid Krasis. I'll fully admit that if this card gets going, it's probably going to win the game. But it's not an easy card to play, and I don't want an difficult card to play as a win condition.
>>96680622>>96680628>>96680648>>96680676>>96680690>>96680703>>96680712>>96680718I've never liked the look of borderless art cards. Might just be my astigmatism that can't read white on black text well, but it looks tacky.
>>96681520If you want to watch your crash bash their heads into each other until one of them goes retarded and dies, I think the TCG for you is pokemon and not "cast wizards spells: the game".
>>96683724>what else did I miss??the civil rights movement wasn't a mistake
>>96682110Play cube nigga.
>>96683729Digging up old card evaluations? Go look up people talking about Grief, it's fucking hilarious. Although in some fairness, a lot of the shit talking was a reaction to people thinking Grief+Ephemerate would take off, while the real sauce was actually Grief+Undying Evil (or various other cards to the effect) which took some time to really start cropping up. The people who shit talked Grief will now act like they were only ever talking about Grief+Ephemerate specifically, rather than Grief in general.
>>96680553If you had to create a new 1 v 1 60 card format, that excluded UB at a bare minimum, what guidelines would it follow? I would propose this: Zero-MH, Zero-UB Modern, with no cards, rules or errata that were introduced in 2020 or beyond.
>>96683854pioneer 2
>>96683854>in 2020 or beyondOff by a year, 2019 had WAR and ELD.
>>96683897So just pre-WAR modern?
>>96683920I suppose. Phoenix was pretty cancerous, driving up the price of Surgical Extraction to ridiculous levels, but it never even came close to the obscene meta shares we've seen in recent years. It's amazing how much we took for granted back then.
what should happen for this game to even start healing itself?
>>96683964Maro commiting suicide and Hasbro and Sweet Baby Inc. going bankrupt.>All that happens just for Disney to swoop in and buy itfuck
>>96683964Someone with the sense to retroactively ban all UB from all constructed play, and design sets with limited and standard in mind first and foremost. This will never happen now, so magic will never be healed.
>>96683964A massive structure change into WotC starting with Mark Nosewater and COCKS, the complete separation from the evil Hasbro shitters and the turnaround of the last three years decisions. So never happening
>>96683977>2030>Barbie: In Ravnica has just bombed>Hasbro stock hits rock bottom, also due to economic depression and noone being able to buy toys because Hunter Biden somehow got into office and crashed the economy and ongoing WW3 tensions have the pigs who eat slop on the frontlines dying for Israel> "Hey Disney, you want to take the scrap of Hasbro? Your Lorcana game failed but you can milk this Magic thing for a while"
>>96683834Remember, Fury is the REAL problem.
>>96683755You're not alone my friend, I think they all look proper shite. W*zards simply don't know how to do special treatments without fucking it up (surprise surprise).They've all got the air of those cheap, non-name kickstarter tcgs with over-processed digital slop art from artstation.
>>96684073This is peak magic card beauty, this was a soulful card game at one point. No magic card will ever look this good ever again. They even canned the lesbo who made this art
>>96675173Unrelated to the common creatures, just dogshit in general. >>96675095"Legendary" is/was meant to allow stronger creatures to be printed for constructed because you can only have one out at a time (while in draft, being rare is (more like was meant to be) pseudo legendary). Common legendary threats would be an interesting concept for a draft/cube (not necessarily good, just interesting), and first time legendaries came out, they also where at common but >LOL LEGENDS.
>>96684093Terese Nielsen is one of the best artists this game had. I think it's a loss of the hand drawn style, the digital art has always looked soulless.Picrel is the first mtg I ever saw and got me interested in mtg
>>96683964Hasbro going under, and WOTC being freed. Maro is just a patsy lightning rod.
>>96684093if this came out today you'd complain about her being black
>>96684152They have like maybe 5 of the old artists left doing stuff (sometimes?) It's brutal. But also not my problem because I only collect and play with older cards now anyways. Publicly firing their best artists like Terese and Seb McKinnon for dumb reasons was such a bad decision for the longetivity of the game - people stop buying cards when they're all ugly and digitalized, that was discussed a lot with the spiderman set. People get so hyped when Mark Tedin pops up every few sets to do something because the actual high fantasy art enjoyers are STARVING
>>96680620More my lord? This one is an especially exquisite serving, it has Joel as a black card because white man bad I guess?
I don't think there's anything more insulting then when wizard goes "Actually, there is no problem with the format, just keep playing :)" and there's a brutally oppressive combo deck warping the game. They did the same shit they're doing with Vivi to Pioneer with Amalia It really says a lot when Modern is the healthier format right now
>>96684230>Brick Master
>>96684230I mean it makes sense, Joel was a selfish man who doomed humanity after all
>>96684225I quite like Nils Hamm, he's still pretty good and I'm unsure if Drew Tucker is still doing shit for them, Rebecca Guay too. For whatever they get rid of all the good artists and replace them with sweatshop chinamen artists (soon to be replaced by ChatGPT or some shit).The game's art is so bad now, it's hardly worth collecting, who's buying this stuff? I guess Bloombarrow is kinda cool, the rest? garbage.Is this the market research, will of the players (tm) bullshit R*sewater loves to bleat on about? Who's asking for this?
>>96684189Maybe if she were like every other black woman in modern magic art, self inserts of wotc employees who are ugly and fat that are just input into AI, then they digitally paint whatever hat is this set onto them. They they give them this smug look of "empowerment" that just comes off as bitchy or preachy.If Terese redid this painting today I would probably just be amazed, because she has come a long way since this early era. You want to see an empowered female in your card game? Look at the way these brushstrokes fully bring the beautiful female figure to form in an unsaid, intimidating fashion. We will never have this again.
>>96684264Idk, I've never played the games, I was just serving up some slop.
>>96680553Tribes (especially two Elemental tribes) and 'No Humans Allowed' policy; return to fantasy after the postapo of Time Spiral, megalopolis of Ravnica, Japan-inspired Kamigawa and metallic Mirrodin; filter lands and hybrid cards from Shadowmoor/Eventide...
>>96684241There’s no problem with the format because things are so bad it’s unfixable at this point. Ban Vivi and Cauldron and that deck stays just as strong and oppressive. All the aggressive cards in the format are way overtuned to be viable in EDH. Standard is just the format of all threats no answers now.
>>96684266The reason is they can pay them less. much less. And these "digital artists" can just make an AI prompt, touch up the imperfections and submit it. They have to get a new set of 200+ cards every 60 days. There's no quality control on the art not just because wizards doesn't care, it's because its the finanically smart option. As long as they get a few premium arts in the collector boosters who gives a shit what the rest of the set looks like, right? Having all shitty art makes the one nice art chase card even more desirable for the piggies.
>>96684297You say they're overturned for EDH but all these cards are really bad in EDH. Nobody is running Fear if Missing Out in their 99, there's no reason to. None of these cards besides Vivi do what is inherently strong in EDH, pump out mana or creat card advantageThere's overtuned red cards because there was a period of time when the design team went "Red is kind of weak right now" and decided to turn the power level up. When Red OTK combos start popping up, THAT'S when we can blame EDH, because Red in EDH is nothing but storm piles
>>96684304>And these "digital artists" can just make an AI prompt, touch up the imperfections and submit it. They have to get a new set of 200+ cards every 60 daysJesus, this really is slop. they've manged to turn a high fantasy rpg type game into a mass produced, factory line macdonald's card game lol. Here's captain america in your happy meal box. Soulless as fuck, I'm sure this'll stop h*sbro's stock prices from crashing
>tqFocus on tribes. Focus on fantasy. TREEFOLK.
>>96684370>they've manged to turn a high fantasy rpg type game into a mass produced, factory line macdonald's card game lol"Managed". Like it's at all difficult. You streamline out all the soul, make it perfectly optimized for revenue, and you end up with slop. Doesn't matter what you started with, overtuning an IP for revenue reduces it to slop.
>"we want you to stop being heckin racist, chudderino, so we will put the most ugly, baboons blacks in the game"ngl i was surprised they didn't make this one another macaque
Is horrible how hard they dropped the ball with this game. Since last year Magic seems to be just a worse Fornite
>>96684466It is worse because at least Fortnite has sexy women and kids to manipulate.
What's up with the MAGA hat drama? Can anyone clue me in?
if wotc could print lewd images on the cards, they would.And they will once they will get desperate for sales.But they're going to print gay shit (they already did), and once the suits will figure out that the fags aren't a huge market, they'll pander to gooners.You will see this game turn into yet another anime titties gooning skinner box like everything else, boosters are gachas to an extent already.
>>96684488it is exactly as stupid as it sounds, don't bother
>>96684488Magic: the Gathering
>>96684500Magic will never cater to gooners in a competitive way. Even Force of Will does and will continue to be better than MtG and any potential it might have.
>>96684549FoW (and Shadowverse too because fuck that game) are both waifu simulators and they both suck major balls, but have major success.If it wasn't for the anime titties, those games would've never taken off.Wotc already did Hatsune Miku SL, has been doing anime alts by employing jap artists, Japan even has more alternate artworks than in the west, FFub basically made all nips cum in their pants that it revived the game over there,The japanese market is basically all pandering to gooners because no one gives a shit about anything else there.You vill see big huge anime titties in your fornite card game and you vill like it.
There is literally no drawback to putting hot chicks in this game.
The only reason why they wouldn't put hot chicks in the game is because they'd lose support and investments for woke corporates and social justice funds or whatever they're called.Once they start seeing sales across a huge audience without even doing UB slop, they'll quickly forget about trying to pander to crossdressers or sexualizing women.I mean, if they're going to pander to piggys, might as well minmax the shit out of it.
>>96684589gooners need to stop acting like putting tits into the game is guaranteed sales, there's plenty of garbage that tried and failed
>>96684697The difference is that Magic, even in its shit state, still has better gameplay and is more established than all that trash. What is holding it back is horrible balance and gay, childish, shitty art. At least we could have good art.
>>96684684>just two more years, bro>it'll really happen this time for sure bro
>>96684697>yeah bro mtg has never had any gooners bro>liliana? serra angel? Akroma? chandra? i dunno bro no one ever jerked off to them
>>96684728anon we're talking about japan level gooning, Magic is practically puritan level in comparison, with a small handful of exceptions
>>96684758You don't see this and get a raging boner?
>>96684728How am I supposed to jerk off to akroma knowing she has weird fucked up legs?
>>96684769>>96684770This shit looks so bad.Akroma used to look like this.
>>96684770skill issueIs a guy not supposed to nut to child bearing hips just because the woman is a blue fish?You're a human, goddammit, so spread your seed
>>96684791Kiora is basically just a blue woman with some extra fins. Her legs are just fine so I'm down with her.
reminder how wotc handles alts in asian countries
Never forget what they took from you.
>>96684833They can draw hot bitches, they know hot bitches sell, they can commission artists to draw hot bitches, they just refuse to do it in the west because they know the westoid players are actual slop-sucking pigs.
What's a Maverick deck?
>>96684770Her sabatons just come to comically long points, anon.
>>96685015it's a legacy deck based around green sun's zenith and white removal
>>96685019Yeah to cover up her fucked up tiger legs or whatever animal it was.
>>96684589Are you trying to imply that anime titties are a bad thing, anon?
>>96685048Oooh, did they do some weird bullshit in the lore?
>>96685019That was before they were ripped off.>>96685128Yep, her legs were ripped off and Ixidor fixed her by taking a tiger (lion?) and using it to turn her into a taur.
>>96685128There was a point where Akroma's legs get ripped off in combat and they get replaced with tiger legs because that's the only thing available at that moment.
>>96685128Old magic lore was the result of a bunch of dudes on LSD and throwing darts at a board.
>>96685137>>96685146Thx, anons.>>96685154Kek, probably not far from the truth.
>>96685154Reminder that two of the characters in Otaria were literally living portals that gained sentience and tried to survive in human society.
>>96685126I'm the anon who posts these>>96684833>>96684791>>96684769>>96684728Sorry bro, you can't start spamming about imaginary puritans and sex haters.
This used to be a viable card in Modern.I had a whole deck based around this.
>>96683964honestly I think we're past the point of no return. the last five years have done irreparable structural damage to the game and the competitive scene. there's no way to ban every card printed after 2019 without pissing at least 60% of the fan base off. I think the best course of action is to just let the game die or continue shambling in zombified fashion until a spiritual successor can start fresh and fix the sins of the past.
>>96684488Magic A Gay Asshoe
>>96685499Puddnhead...home...
>>96684866They're trying to socially engineer the west but know that doesn't work on asians
>>96685551If they actually care about the competitive scene they can fix it (at least Standard). Announce that all future sets will return to 2 year rotation. Make the next sets severely underpowered, people hated when they tried to do this with Ixalan but the game has shifted in a way that they could pull it off without hurting sales. Lean into printing powerful commander cards that intentionally suck in 1v1, lean into well known IPs for UB that people will buy without caring about strength.
>>96684152Recent creature cards could never have such a flavorful design
>>96682110What about old school 93/94
How to fix magic:>Force all rule boxes to stay within 8 lines of text>White should be the only color to get a 2/1 creature for 1 mana without downsides>Green is the only color that gets vanilla 3/3 mana creatures for only 3 mana>Land destruction is back on the menu>No more cards you can play from exile>No more double face cards>All Artifacts are colorless, but they can have color as a cost of their abilities>No more than 30 legendary creatures per set>Every set from the last 10 years was a fever dream of Karn>Very few cards have 3 or more colors in their mana cost>No more mythic rarity, existing mythic rarers are immediately banned regardless of their strength>Planeswalkers are banned. The in lore explanation is every planeswalker in the multiverse lost their spark after the great mending
>>96685851>>No more double face cardsI want to live in this world. I hate these fucking things.
>>96685851agree but>land destructionno, fuck offif you want land destruction, you need to give the players more options to get more lands or mana, which goes back to treasure token wanking or having only mana rocks, which will degenerate into 0 costs artifacts that generate floating mana, which will get us back where we are nowAlso you forgot>no counterspellswithout counterspells, you won't have legendary creatures that fuck your mom and fill in the paperwork to adopt you when they ETB
>>96685789>Lean into printing powerful commander cards that intentionally suck in 1v1, >lean into well known IPs for UB that people will buy without caring about strength.wrong.
>>96685945We had counterspells since the beginning of the game and ETB effects have been a problem only in the lasst few years. Counterspells are not the problem, powercreep is.
>>96686039Counterspells are a game design mistake in any game. It's why powercreep becomes a thing in the first place.I will die on that hill, Anon.
>>96681301Howe might have to busy at the time
>>96686047why dont you just go play heartstone ?
Wizards is also actively incentivized to print overpowered slop to fuel either investors or destabilize standard. Power levels need to be WAY down, and bans a lot more prevalent. Also, 3 year standard is terrible- it just makes the problems of modern and legacy more apparent but without the answers those formats have.
>>96684093Rhystic isn't even top 10 from Terese.My personal pick for most soulful card art in the game is this but you are correct that the era in general had a lot of good options.
This game fucking blows.
>>96686110That's why they promised a ban after every set. They are about to push the powerlevel even further.
>>96686115Why did they get rid of Guay? I heard a rumour that they fired her during Lorwyn cuz her artwork was "too feminine" or some shit? Seem retarded, but because that's an utterly retarded, completely asinine and illogical reason, I can 100% believe that wizards did that.
>>96686077>why dont you go play ETB the game?why don't you go play solitaire if you dislike interacting with your opponent so much?retard
>>96684812Mark said she is supposed to be polynesian.
>>96686233Counterspells are interaction.
>>96686329>polynesianYeah, I'll poly her esian
>>96686229That was the original reason. Currently she raised her prices and doesn't have time for contractor so wizards doesn't hire for just any set. Her protege Sam Guay is her replacement since Sam isn't a big name unlike Rebecca.
>>96686385Sam Guay's art
>>96686229Jeremy Cranford (the art director at the time) thought her work was too feminine, and so she wasn't contracted to do anything for Onslaught. I guess he didn't flip through "Revelations of the Dark Mother", she got pretty edgy in that.>>96686385I hate that this is serialized, collector boosters-only shite.
>>96686408This Rebecca's most recent nonSecret Lair artwork. Note the the swamp was reused from Commander Masters so Wotc only commissioned for 4 pieces for Foundation.
When was the moment you knew Magic was "no longer for you"?
>>96686449Her secret lair work
>>96686385>Lorwyn faerie septum piercing.I knew this set was too good to be true, thanks wizards.
>>96686408Sam Guay is magnitudes better than Rebecca nowadays, so I don't mind the switchup. I don't think I've liked any of her new cards while Sam is up there with Mayer
>>96686408>>96686476seam rip and stoneforge look real nice
Me? For me it's Nils Hamm. He can make stupid wacky races look epic.
I love Seb McKinnon's art, never going to see it again
>>96686611Nils is the man, even in retarded sets like A*therdrift.
>>96686641Yeah, he was good. I wish Geoff Darrow had done more pieces, I loved the few he did in Mirage and Visions.
>>96686641KINOINO
>>96686641How crazy would be a soul herder reprint in Standard?
>>96686651look at this dude
for me it's wylie
>>96686766also domink mayer and jeremy wilson. there are some good new artists even if most of them don't compare to the old ones
>>96686744>look at this dude>weird looking little starfish slug man.SOVL
>>96686744S O V L
>>96686520>Sam Guay is magnitudes better than Rebecca nowadaysShittest take in history. Rebecca Guay is a gallery-quality artist and Sam barely knows how to properly render value range.
>>96686115Entirely agree it isnt in her top 10, the initial response was to card borders and the old foil border being the best. She just happened to be the artist and anytime terese comes up she takes over the thread.
>>96686353Fuck off back to pleddit, faggot.
>DUUUUURRRH
>>96686977It's true though, counterspells are literally crimes, as are most interaction.
Igor Kieryluk - Dark fantasyAlayna Danner - Digital artist, but draws great fantasy landscapesMarie Magny - Digital artist but understands tasteful sex appeal Rovina Cai - Muted dark fantasyRaoul Vitale - High saturation fantasy, golden sunlightFred Fields - LandsJ. W. Frost - Lands
Yes, counterspells are a crime.Anon please shut the fuck up. You're not funny, you're not witty, you're annoying as fuck as every single time anyone says any opinions about anything whatsoever.They're as much interaction as your attempt at sparking arguments because we all know you'll just degenerate into insults and bad faith argument.Please. shut the fuck up.Counterspells are literal slop design. Fuck off.
>>96686611Love Hamm, one of the mtg artists that was consistently interesting in my opinion.
>>96687082>Love HamBased and pigpilled.
>>96683834>Grief+Ephemerate would take off, while the real sauce was actually Grief+Undying Evil (or various other cards to the effect) which took some time to really start cropping up. The people who shit talked Grief will now act like they were only ever talking about Grief+Ephemerate specifically, rather than Grief in general.whats wrong with grief + ephemerate?
>>96683977>Maro commiting suicide and Hasbro and Sweet Baby Inc. going bankrupt.What did sweet baby inc have to do with MtG?
>>96687173You have to play white instead of red which means you miss out on Fury like a dumb retard
>>96684278>Maybe if she were like every other black woman in modern magic art, self inserts of wotc employees who are ugly and fat that are just input into AI, then they digitally paint whatever hat is this set onto them. They they give them this smug look of "empowerment" that just comes off as bitchy or preachy.I highly doubt that every character is how you describe them.
>>96686473>When was the moment you knew Magic was "no longer for you"?universes beyond as full sets, rather than just secret lairs (which was already iffy).
>>96687189It's involved with everything I don't like, okay???
>>96686924>Shittest take in history. Rebecca Guay is a gallery-quality artist and Sam barely knows how to properly render value range.could you elaborate?
>>96687244>could you elaborate?Yes.
>>96687073card in pic related of your post is:https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/150/throes-of-chaos
>>96684864thats a german only card, not asian:https://scryfall.com/card/snc/453/de/gala-begr%C3%BC%C3%9Fer-(gala-greeters)
>>96685019>>96685048>>96685128>>96685235>>96685146>There was a point where Akroma's legs get ripped off in combat and they get replaced with tiger legs because that's the only thing available at that moment.>>96684770I think this card is when her legs were replaced with blades or something.At a different point her lower half was replaced with an entire torso of a jaguar apparently.https://mtg.wiki/page/akroma#DescriptionLike a centaur kinda. we dont have art for that though.
>>96687281Really? File name didn't give it way?
>>96687307Ixidor really just couldn't get his super-murder woman right.
>>96684189Back then in the weatherlight saga we had a full set based on Africa, and in the crew 2 main were Black for a while and 3-4 were White. Nowadays half if not more of the main characters/legendary humanoids are blacks even in settings were the ethnic group was pronounced at all.In the new dominaria for exemple people complained that Gerrard's grandgrandgrandgrand children look Black/Arabic but other than that there is not much complain outside than the number of BlacksVsWhitesPeople would not complain if Koth was a main character during the nuPhyxian "saga", he almost never appeared, because we already knew the character and were always asking "Where is Koth?".Koth in Kaldheim would be organic. Kaya in Kaldheim was forced (Kaya as a whole is a forced character, her only "good appearance" was in Conspiracy 2. She was decent in war of the spark and maybe Innistrad Weeding set. All other she was forced.Being forced or not is the main issue with modern mtg.Elspeth becoming an Angel in bant would be ok, Elspeth becoming an Angel because Serra gave her power for that or some other bullshit out of nowhere is bs.nuPhyrexians losing because they were maybe using the reality chip to modify the oil and make it extremely more overpower and the good guys destroyed the chip would be good, Elesh Norn going retard and being killed thus turning off Phyrexian WiFi was retarded and forced.Modern mtg is plagued with shit writing and worldbuilding. That is the main problem and why people call it woke. If shit was well written people would not complain.
>>96687189Its running their PR department
>>96687550 Not anymore. It was a rather short lived stint.
>>96684454Get that weak shit out of here.
>>96687516It's because nu-writers don't know the lore and more importantly make no effort to know the lore.None of the shit you complain about measures up to the crime of not caring when they're the ones in charge of making everything fit together.
I cast Alexios and then Noetic Scales. I pass my turn. At the start of the opponent's upkeep, whom has 3 cards in hand, there is the trigger to gain Alexios and the trigger to send dues back if they have more power than their hand size. Are they able to just gain control of Alexios, then send it back to my hand with Noetic Scales?
>>96687562Really? I haven't seen anything about them stopping, but most things talking about them working with wizards is dated last year. Not to be a redditor but you got a source for that? I'd think if they cut ties I would have heard about that. They are a bit secretive in what they do (because they know what they do is wrong) but it makes it hard to find credible sources on what theyre actually up to. I hope you're right though because thats at least one step in the right direction (after a thousand wrong ones)
>>96687652if multiple triggers you control happen at once, you can layer them on the stack in the order you like
>>96687717Yeah, I had figured that APNP would just allow them to do that. I was really hoping to find a way to have him get around upkeep triggers.
>>96687652You still control both triggers bevause theyre your cards even if the opponent makes the choice. So yes you get to stack it how you want, if you want to bounce alexios you just have to send him over before making him do the noetic scales. But I honestly dont think this is a good strategy still, alexios cant attack you anyways.
I AM A PIG AND I EAT SLOP
ATLA is fucking stupid man…
>>96686473When I started to get 'sticker shock' seeing the prices for new product, particularly starting with Modern Horizons 3 for me.
>>96686473when i saw this card. that was enough.
>>96686473
>>96687024He looks like a genuine retard
>>96687901thats because he is
>>96687899Please god, no no no
>>96687873but the players can relate to it, as broke rentoids
>>96687860Premium Pricing, as intended by Richard Garfield
>Please god, no no no
>>96688013You know Prof wakes up every day hoping it was all just a bad dream
>>96688040>his wakeup alarm is just him saying "NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT" over and over
>>96687516I haven’t followed the lore too closely since Theros Beyond Death, but I thought that Elspeth got some angel juice from the Capenna flapper girl, which combined with her own possible angelic heritage and the connection over to Theros what with her Shadowspear/Godsend being the real one as opposed to Heliod’s due to people’s belief, all just kinda mushed together to make her an angel?Major agree on kaya being terrible and forced- though I admit I do like having her kill the Obzedat… but then taking control of the Orzhov and forgiving all debts? Retarded.
lol
lmao even
LETS SLOP EM UP BOYS>>96688096>>96688096>>96688096>>96688096>>96688096
>>96687994Wow you somehow missed the announcement of this game being fucked for the next year? the unnanounced set is ninja turtles by the way
>>96688049>his wakeup alarm is just him saying "NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT" over and over>He just lies there, unmoving, with a bottle next to him.>A single tear falls from his eye
>>96687516>nuPhyrexians losing because they were maybe using the reality chip to modify the oil and make it extremely more overpower and the good guys destroyed the chip would be good, Elesh Norn going retard and being killed thus turning off Phyrexian WiFi was retarded and forced.>Modern mtg is plagued with shit writing and worldbuilding. That is the main problem and why people call it woke. If shit was well written people would not complain.What does that have to do with being woke though?
>>96684454>>96687592I've never understood you people's insistence on making shitty cleavage alters.
>>96688448and you never will
>>96684264>doomed humanitynever happened.
