"To meme or not to meme, that is the question" - (You)Previous: >>96707837This general encompasses all board game genres - Eurogames, Ameritrash, Ameritreasure, Fillers, Party, Abstracts, Wargames, and especially the game that one anon is autistic about at this very moment.TQs:- Favorite game that you suck at?- Game you mostly play for nostalgia?- Save one game from the fire, let the rest burn. What is the name of the game?Bonus:- Post your favorite board game meme.
>>96716445First for TI4 sucks
>>96716445Second for TI4 is better than you think
>>96716445Abstract goats that will last to the end of humanity.Mad Queen ChessGo (But without the gay Japanese rules. Play with the good Chinese ones)Tak (Just remove the nerd fluff)HiveThe Japanese and Chinese chess variants suck, but the Arabic and Indian ones are complete shit.
>>96716549Where's Phase 10?
>>96716549You forgot BOOoop!
>>96716566Technically it's not an abstract, it has a theme of fighting off colonists or some shit.
>>96716573Abalone is better.>>96716566>>96716582Card games can be abstract but not abstract games.Also, it's clearly Durak.
>>96716549Boop is the tits.
>>96716549What about Pylos and Quarto?
>>96716582Underrated
>>96716549No en passant bullshit in Shogi, though.
>>96716573Thoughts on 3D Boop?
>>96716549>without the gay Japanese rules. Play with the good Chinese onesWhat's the difference?
Best of the gipf games?Best hidden gem abstract? Anyone played Ekö?
>>96716573Does it add anything useful over standard?>>96716623They vibe more as aggressive abstract puzzles, I'd say.>>96716662Japanese rules have vibes-based scoring, Chinese rules have properly defined scoring.You can spend years studying the Japanese scoring system and yet not internalize all edge cases, or use the Chinese system and instantly grasp all scenarios.Most of the time they even end up with the same score.
>Favorite game that you suck at?The Estates, though I'm slowly getting better.>Game you mostly play for nostalgia?Catan, Negotiation games normally aren't my thing.>Save one game from the fire, let the rest burn. Grand Austria Hotel, I have a few hand made components that aren't easily replaceable, and It's my favorite dice euro which is also my favorite genre
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>>96716669>They vibe more as aggressive abstract puzzles, I'd say.I see. What would you say it's the difference between an abstract game and an abstract puzzle? Is it the level of aggression?
>>96716715>>96716662Also, in Chinese captured stones aren't added to the score, as the act of capturing them immediately removes a point from your opponent.>>96716734If it feels like I'm back in the hell of Void Stranger, it's a puzzle.So, Sokoban vibes.
>>96716668>Best of the gipf games?My favorite is Lyngk. There's an anon here who loves Dvonn. >Best hidden gem abstract?I wish I knew more games>Anyone played Ekö?No but now you have my interest. Is it similar to Great Plains?
>>96716668>Best of the gipf games?I've heard yinsh, but I haven't played it yet. Although, after reading the rules, it does sound quite fun
>>96716662>>96716715https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crO1rXNkH7o
I love board games bros
>>96716549Thoughts on High Tide?
>>96716887>the designed original wincons You mean Root had other win conditions originally? What were they?
>>96716790Hey I wouldn't shout that if I were you
>>96716905>What were they?They didn't get too far to implement into any PnP before release from what I remember but it was stuff that was thematic to each faction, like controlling enough clearings (Basically Domination wincon, but from what I recall reading in the design diary, was originally the idea for the Marquise).There's also these 4 different wincons Wherle talked about in another diary. The decision to move to VPs was that made the game simlpler to understand and much shorter (after changing to 30vps rather than 40-50)
>>96716972Apparently Arcs was also better before Why does he always sabotages his own games?
>>96716662In ancient Go you lost when you ran out of pieces to play. And if both players have their opponents pieces captured the captured pieces are exchanged 1 for 1 to replenish supplies.Passing was not allowed but you could suicide your pieces which, in any board state where you would actually want to pass, meant you could essentially pass by forfeiting 1 piece from your supply.Chinese (area) scoring is a way of figuring out which player runs out of pieces first without having to actually play that out.Japanese (territory) scoring is similar but doesn't attach a cost to passing during the game and doesn't allowing passing during the portion of the game the scoring is shortcutting through.The real game and the shortcut following different rules gets ugly if both players agree to end the game but disagree on how to resolve the shortcut, because continuing the game could result in a different outcome from the shortcut.Chinese Go doesn't have this issue because if there is a disagreement you can keep playing the game to see what actually happens.
Is this criticism accurate? I wanted to try Root but now I'm not interested if that's the case >>96715527
>>96717099What’s the complains over Arcs? Personally, that game feels pretty streamlined and an acceptable duration. The VP system seems to work.
>>96717099>Why does he always sabotages his own games?Marketability to the lowest common denominator (retards)
>>96717149The issue is not that it's about building houses, it's that it's about nothing that makes thematic sense when you boil it down. If it was about controlling the forest as the marquise, or about performing a successful revolution as the woodland alliance, or building an ultimate government system as the Eyrie, it would be about something. As is, it's just getting some VP for some faction-related action, but the VP doesn't actually represent anything in the game. If you build a bunch of sawmills and get 5 VPs and then other players destroy them, you don't have the map presence anymore but the VPs are still there. And then you get the bash the leader syndrome since it's just a race to 30 points.
I'm getting a divorce. Best divorce games?
>>96717099Absolutely based take, fuck wehrle and his revisionsI remember when he essentially threw oaths fundament into the garbage and redid it entirely? That was after people k*kestarted it, mind.
>>96717285Diplomacy.
Any kingdom legacy chads here?
>>967172852 player Munchkin Rick and Morty edition.
>>96717285Botanik
>>96717304>That was after people k*kestarted it, mind.That's pretty scummy behavior.
>>96717149If you want to play root, go play root. it's easy to get matches online
>>96717285Hanami pink reprint of Samurai. You're gonna need it.
>>96717283I've always felt this but you put it down into words very nicely. The VPs feel... sterile? banal? It's really surprising how popular the game is. The people who say the illustrator's work is the reason for the success are correct, I think. I actually like the concept of the game or at least my expectation: cute animals but they're fighting against each other very aggressively. Except the game doesn't deliver this promise for me.
>>96717285Quinns?
>host a cardgame postgame>horrible card evaluation>horrendous takes every single episode>terrible jokes non-stop>always louder than everyone else>gets hired to design for the cardgamekneel
>>96717285Nemo's War
>>96717485>host a cardgame podcast*so mad I can't even word
>>96717285Right now it's Battle Line but once you're free of her it'll be Molly House
What games does she play?
>>96717521The board game shelf isn't in that room any more anon. You already know the answer. You have to let go.
>>96717485>>horrible card evaluation>>horrendous takes every single episode>>terrible jokes non-stop>>always louder than everyone elseYet you, apparently, kept watching.
>>96717535>Yet you, apparently, kept watching.he was only 1 in 4-5 people
>>96717304>>96717099>>96716972I think it's LedgerGames forcing him to make these changes, with Root it was originally a 3 player game but Ledger said it would do better as a 4 player game so they forced him to make the vagabond basically because it least affects the design of the other 3 factions.Oath basically getting a 2.0 is kind of damning though, I like all the changes but it sucks I have to buy an expensive expansion to get them all.
>>96717521she has a tattoo, therefore I don't care
>>96717553that's the least of her problems lmao
>>96717567who are you to judge her happiness?
>>96717598I'm Quinns aka Quinny Boy, her pimp. Bitch is always late! Less happiness, more work. How about that.
>>96717149Not really, one of the core scoring conditions is removing cardboard gives you points. It's not a braindead "remove everything" game and the core deck sucks and the Vagabond sucks. I'm not saying you should buy it, but it's a good game if you play with E&P and swap the Vagabond with basically anything else.>>96717099Arcs had some cool ideas in the old version of the game that was good but this post is total cope. >>96717233You don't get the maximum amount of actions in a turn, and there's no guarantee you will have access to a particular action in any given round, specifically building. Most of the people who complain about it would also call contact bridge a "lucky" game, because they are bad at reading the table.
>>96717485>>96717535I didn't care one way or the other for the podcast but the Discord community is great. I don't think he or Duke have been a net negative on the campaigns or the one off scenarios - content feels about the same as it did when MJ and the original crew were writing it up.
>>96717805how is it cope? what about is inaccurate?
>>96715807
>>96717805>Most of the people who complain about it would also call contact bridge a "lucky" game, because they are bad at reading the table.What the absolute fuck is that analogy anon
>>96717149Why don't you go play it and form your own opinion?
>>96717889I bet he's this retard >>96701689 Always with retarded comparisons and exaggerations.
My friend group liked Tragedy Loopers, now we're gonna play it every Monday.
>>96717521Core Worlds
>>96717890You would like that wouldn't you Cole.
>>96717926Don't die!
>>96717485this nigga really said Brother Xavier was the best card in the pack with Pathfinder in it
>>96717825>I don't think he or Duke have been a net negative on the campaigns or the one off scenariosNewman leaves and suddenly Higher Education is unchained and rotation is announced because suddenly FFG is giving up on balancing
>>96717521https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oadhHk2xs6c
why do people like the COIN games anyway? I can't wrap my head around how passive the gameplay seems. Is it just an old man game?
>>96717485who is this fag?
>>96718016he's literally me
>>96717995I remember this in a David Lynch movie. cant remember which one, though.
>>96717521what SUSD review is this from?
>>96718031Wild at Heart. Lynch actually directed a video for the song, too.
>>96718000Autistic fixation on history and wars in particular is a socially acceptable form for the older generation, yeah. Automative interest is another one of those. COIN games have the virtue of covering a lot of topics with a central mechanical system that is familiar but changes a little bit with each game. So it's a lot easier to get people into the next one once they've learned one. I'd imagine the underlying psychology is similar to the way female autists get obsessed with Wingspan. They know how to play it and they know they can get anyone basically onboard easy enough, plus it tickles their fixation.
>>96718016He is Mr. Every card he said he was not sold on ended up being changed cause it was too good
>>96716790I love board game bros
Questions for the next thread?
>>96718202>Most anticipated upcoming release?
>>96718202What are you considering for a cull? How do you decide what to cull?>>96718240Consumerfag.
>>96718202What constitutes an auction game?
>stumble upon a reviewer that gives suprisingly good takes in one video>Strange why does he have like 2 videos a week with sub 5k viewers>Of course, it's a sea of crowdfunding releases that get great ''''revews'''' that aren't even labelled as sponsored vidsIt's all very tiresome. Yet I can't help but wonder, who the fuck pays these nobodies for their videos? Even the big (jewish) boardgame shills have laughably low viewer numbers. Why would anyone ever spend money on them? But there HAS to be something I'm not seeing there.
>>96712863There was also a printing where each castle scored once during farming where players only needed a meeple majority in at least one connected farm instead of combining the meeple counts across the connected farms
>>96718386Money laundering?
Do you like Lacerda games?
>>96718386not everyone can be tom vasel and susd. plenty of dead channels out there.
What were your biggest rule mistakes?> in root: it took me 7 rounds to realize that if the alliance's outrage is triggered and the enemy has no cards, they still get one from the deck and add it to their supporterswe always played it in a way where the eyrie would spend all of their cards, trigger several outrages and the alliance wouldnt get anything. at which point often times its sympathy tokens would also be attacked, which made them pretty much useless. also never added them to the supporters but to my own hand...
>>96718471Of course. But what puzzles me is how these channels exist. Noone does +2 videos/week on ks games that'll be forgotten in a month for no compensation. But there seems almost zero benefit for designer/publisher to pay for such a video. Even the aforementioned big shills who, as we've seen with the q*ackalope story take +1k per video, have viewer numbers so low they cannot possibly have a significant effect. As said, there likely is something I am not seeing
>>96718386This is on you for using YouTube for anything but quick howtos or linking songs to people. Do us a favor, find some video essays on Neil Postman and watch them until you realize you need to stop using the site altogether.
>>96717903>Always with retarded comparisons and exaggerationsNot the anon you're replying to and not the anon you're talking about but I'm the anon you quotedDunno what 'comparison' you're talking about, but there's nothing exaggerated in that post
>>96718595> any game that does not involve directly punching others in the face, meaning more than like 80%+ of all board games everThis is an exaggeration on your part. A straw man that you pulled out of your ass.
>>96718592In my defense, I stumbled upon it because I wanted a short rules overview for a game on bga
>>96718202I wanna discuss fan content. Rethemes, fan rules, variants, fan expansions, all that. Any noteworthy ones off the top of your heads?
>>96718635As another bystander I'll intervene and say this is very much how the term MPS gets thrown around. If I remember correctly this isn't even a made up phrase but paraphrasing an anon who said if there's no combat it's mps. I would not say that this many anons use the multiplayer solitaire term that recklessly, though. Mostly the lound and retarded ones.
>still haven't played Circadians chaos orderMay I humbly ask the shills to motivate me to do so (just would have to have a quick rules refreshe) and tell me if it sucks at 3p? That's the best I seem to be able to get this week
>>96718671>if there's no combat it's mps.Game combat is a lot different than "directly punching others in the face". Games without combat are possibly but not conclusively MPS.
>>96718671>this isn't even a made up phrase but paraphrasing an anon who saidAutist can't recognize hyperbole and fixates? Shocker.
>that low test freak who defends mps in every thread
>>96718202Biggest kickstarter letdown
>>96718000>COIN>passive??????????Have you actually tried playing one of them? It's the most intense game of whack a mole out there.
Did anyone kickstart and get the French game etherium? My friends and I are loving it. It's a nice little ameritrash hidden programming battle game with a neat visual design of boxes connected together. Also, it isn't sweaty so it doesn't require any mental or math preparation but is very devious so it's a really fun and simple game that you can play within an hour every so often you and your gaming buddies meet up.https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/396381/etherium
>>96718746>Game combat is a lot different than "directly punching others in the face". what exactly was your understanding of "directly punching others in the face"?>Games without combat are possibly but not conclusively MPS.this phrase holds about as much meaning as saying "if it's not 0 it's possibly but not conclusively 39635.2312", if i were to say you're wrong you'd just reply "eh! but i only said 'possibly'! so im not wrong!">>96718833So if it's me it's an exaggeration and cringe, if it's someone else it's an hyperbole and based, okay.
>>96719133The gulag doesn't have the rulebook and the begging pan has a dead link to the rulebook. If you have the rulebook would you care to drop it on catbox or something?
>>96719133Disregard >>96719173 I found it on their website.For anyone else who might care, here's the URLhttps://crapaudceleste.com/images/etherium/regles/ETH_COMMON_Rules_EN_Web-compressed.pdf
>>96719064??I've watched playthroughs and it looks like nothing happens
>>96717975>Called New Man>Is a woman nowhuh
>>96719234>tranny>lovecraft fanwhy is this so common?
>>96719236sanity damage
>>96719236Have you never read The Thing on the Doorstep?
>>96716885Looks like a much worse version of hive
>>96719271Other than using hex tiles, it's nothing like Hive, it's a much simpler game.
>>96719236Alot of lovecraft is about normal civilians being being turned into monsters
>>96717485Literal who?
>>96717553Based
Did anyone here back Container? And if so, what version? I wonder if the Gruntz game you can add might be fun
>>96719225Is that a euphemism for "I want minis instead of cubes" or something?
Franz-Benno Delonge was one of the designers of Container but died in 2007 (the year Container came out). He has other games such as Fjords which was remade in 2022 or Big City remade in 2019 or Trans America in 2019, and now it's the turn of Container in 2025. I wonder what other games by him will be remade in the future. Manila? Hellas? Dos Rios? Zanzibar? Hellas and Zanzibar might be a good fit for Playte, the Korean publisher which publishes old gems with a new coat of paint that don't use too much space and are on the light side.
>>96716445TQ>Favorite game that you suck at?This is a tie between Startups and Pax Ren. Startups I just find extremely fun and end up playing too risky. Usually that leads to losses. Same thing with Ren actually, I always see a hint of Reformist Religious victory and go all in, even if there's only one good card for it.>Game you mostly play for nostalgia?Werewolf. It reminds me how far we've come and one of my players absolutely adores it still after like 4 years. It's bice to dust off now and then.>Save one game from the fire, let the rest burn. What is the name of the game?Hard choice, it's between Pax Pamir, which is just my favorite game. Or I could see myself saving 3 Kingdoms Redux for nostalgia reasons. Used to play Dynasty Warriors with a childhood friend. He's long gone but anything related to that 3 Kingdom era is absolutely precious to me.
>>96719493>He's long gonedid he die?
You're allowed to whisper to other people in social deduction games.
>>96719440Manila is a pretty fun family game. I own a copy.
>>96719374I backed the standard edition. Was considering getting the expansion as well but Container to me feels like a game that doesn't need expansions.
>>96718706Idk if it's good at 3 players, but it's a fantastic near 10/10 game for me and my group.
A frightening amount of Cosmosnauts were killed trying to leave earths atmosphere. My one advance came from Captured Nazi Scientist.We Pidors are truly natures bumbling idiot.
Are there any quick multiplayer drafting games like Azul that are actually good?
>>96719754In that same weight class?I like Calico but ymmv. If you want 2p only there's Patchwork and 7WD
>>96719754mmm spectacular, it's a wonderful world, or point city, maybe idk
Thoughts on Revive?
>>96717866Arcs isn't as lucky as people who only played it twice think it is. Resources being actions are really important.>>96717903No, just some other retard.
name 1 good modern euro game and by modern I mean 2015 onwards
>>96720176Voidfall
>>96719374Was thinking about it, but I've stopped doing kickstarters, because at some point in 2026 or 2027, I expect china to take over Taiwan, and it's unlikely any games I paid for will be delivered at that point
>>96720085Unbalanced garbo from designers who clearly don't give a shit. Some of the factions and their technologies may as well be blank for all the help they'll give you.
>>96718706don't play it at 3. 4 or 5 ideally imothe pricing mechanic a lot more interesting with more real players
>>96720323>I expect china to take over TaiwanThat's not going to happen, Chinese military is somehow even more incompetent than the russkie one
>>96719374i backed the normal version with no expansions. i'm just now realizing that was probably pointless, since it'll be cheaper at retail. oh well
>>96720604>you aren't beating the same couple games to death every time.You should beDo you not have good games?
>>96720176Civolution
>>96719754Paper tales
>>96720176GWT
Quinns' RPG channel has more views than SUSD lmao who would've thought. The divorce was good.
Would it be gay to try and host a midnight card club in my town?The goal is to get young men to play cards and socialize like we were some sort of beavers club (whatever that means but I'm sure your brain conjured an image based off of some cartoons you saw in the 90s) or some shit.I just wanna play some fucking gin rummy and shoot the shit.I'm sure I can even get the town hall upstairs to do it. We're an old small town and there were a lot of weddings and dances held there and now it's a history museum.Unfortunately I don't think hosting a midnight board game club would fly.
>>96720787start with traditional card games, then light modern card games, then light board games, then medium, then heavy shit.
So haopy with my PnP copy of Pax H+. Friends had trouble learning the names of the actions and I rushed to beat them 4 vs 0 vs 0 to spare them the pain but they enjoyed it regardless and want to play again, we'll see how ti does with normies next public meetup.
>>96717521This isn't appealing at all.Do 45 year old women think they're going to get another shot at teen love or some shit?What the fuck? Why are women so stupid that they would get divorced past the age of 24? It's literally over.Also>divorceGet over it. You made up some shit in your head about something your husband/wife said. Use your words like adults. Real life isn't a fucking movie. It's not like one of you turned to le dark side. Quit drinking.
>>96718386It's funny to think about "big board games".Those damn dirty board game jews paying youtubers (one) HUNDREDS of dollars PLUS the copy to keep for their game that will have Seven Thousand and Five Hundred prints made!
>>96716668>Best of the gipf games?Dvonn, yinsh, tzaar>Best hidden gem abstract?Hard to see what falls into the abstract strategy pile. Gulag has all sort of games tagged. Maybe Glüx? That was popular for a short time. Tatsu, Katarenga?>EköNever played it but I remember when I lokked into it the game has a 2v2 mode which made me interested.
>>96720715Is this the one with the ugly art?
>>96718563I thought pyro-clock of destiny straight up gave me an extra turn.I owe my brother so many asterisks of concedes.
>>96720085It feels like a good idea of a game that is not well implemented. If you told another designer about this game and have him recreate it, it might turn out great.
wait, did the gulag change the design of the user profiles? i just noticed
>>96720842what's wrong with it?
>>96720834In all fairness that card is stupid.
Enough with the euros. What are your favorite ameritrash fighting games?
>>96716972>trusting HallucinateGPToh you sweet summer child>>96717099>Apparently Arcs was also better beforehow?
>>96720915Dude trust me
>>96717866the action system is not luck based, most of the cards in the deck are dealt to players so if you need one action in a specific suit you can wait or pass initiative to someone else who will play that suit as a lead card for you to copy, or use one of your cards of that suit as a pivot card. the correct way to think about it is "i get 6 actions per round, maybe more if i get Initiative or have good timing". on top of that 4/5 resources give you extra actions, at the cost of taking one of your earlier tax actions, and you have to have a city on a planet (or control ov an enemy city) to tax the resource from, so if you know that you'll really REALLY need a move action in round 2, try to tax a fuel in round 1, it's almost literal removal of luck from the system.the court is kinda random, but slow enough to let everyone react to it's randomness, barring certain edge cases every player has a chance to respond to what's going on in the court row before the first player has a chance to secure a card. before he can secure it you can ransack the court, destroy their city to steal a card he was building influence on, and if he does secure the card you can just steal it with a well prepared combat action.the dice are kinda random, that's why Weapons resource can change ALL actions in your card into combat, so you can keep rolling two or three times in one battle. But, total annihilation is not always the strategic or even tactical goal, sometimes you wanna deal just a bit of damage to get control of the planet, or skip fighting the fleet entirely and go for the steal option, it can seem unfair how a good player can do all these things with the same combat action while a new player can't do that, but the only reason he can't is he keeps forgetting that options exist and you need to set up for those options.
>>96719225then you must be blind, or you picked a bad set of players to watchfor example in Fire in the Lake, the objectives for United States and Viet Cong are directly opposite (have N points worth of support/opposition in regions) and the objectives for ARVN and NVA are also diametrically opposed (have control of Y points wortrh of regions). So, the players are split into "teams", but not really, as it's good for Americans to let ARVN struggle with control while they pump up the support. So in the middle of an external conflict you also have an internal conflict, plus on top of that you might forego your turn entirely because you want resources and you know next round you'll get a turn before the other players anyways, since you can see the current event and the upcoming event, and event cards determine player order.
I really want to like regular card games (52 card deck) but 100% of the games boil down to "remember every card that was played" and that fucking sucks. Not because it's hard but because that's boring as all fuck. And so the "play" feels like it's always solved. You just play the best card or get rid of your worst card.Sorry. I just felt like shitting on cards. I hate them because I want to love them. It's a deck that fits in your pocket with thousands of games and each card or suit can represent something in the rules.
>>96721010Sounds like you need a deck of 100 cards where each card is unique. Go ahead, try card counting with that.
>>96721014Even a second grader can count to 100
>>96721010>100% of the games boil down to "remember every card that was played"mmm what? list the games you played
>>96720808wtf are you even talking about? it's just some whore posting slutty videos to attract some horny guys in her social circle of followers. it probably worked, he fucked her, she got fucked, and everybody won. she probably cheated on her husband or he cheated and that's why they got divorced, not everything is about imaginary shit in people's minds.
I watched the gameplay and it looks like a clone of Summoner Wars to me.
>>96721010Tichu is basic deck + 4 cards and it's more than just memorization.
>>96720832I thought the art was pretty good/comfy
>>96721010I heavily dislike this flood of marginally different trick takers but card counting isn't really a problem for long; you'll do it intuitively after a while, like reading chess notation. I'd assume most people play intuitively anyway. I supppse the shit part is inbetween these two, someone who wants to card count and has to put in a lot of energy+waste players time doing so
>>96720991I have a question to FitL enjoyers. I think the game is excellent, but plays way too slowly. A huge part of that is obviously just groking the rules and all the exceptions and getting a feel for what each faction should do.But the thing that I wonder is about the action cards. We have people sitting from across the table where the cards are not clearly visible or legible, so a really large part of the game is just people getting up, shuffling over to the cards to check what turn order or event is coming up. And then doing it again to recheck. And doing it again every other turn for the new cards. Do you have this issue and how do you deal with it?
>>96721114my buddy was saying the same thing, but as his reason for wanting to purchase
finally got around to playing Triomphe à Marengoshit is pretty cool on top of having the undisputed best map in board gaming
>>96720758Lots of views, very little hair
>>96720758I maintain that the interest in rpgs is largely from people who love the idea, lore and exploring the systems while only very very few will actually play themI remember Quinns having a dedicated shelf full of RPG books he only owned because he liked to read them, the idea of them despite never playing. Pretty sure nothing much has changed there.
>>96720915That's just an except from his diary by a reddit user dumbass
