I remember playing 1e back in the day and wondered if 2nd edition is worth anything?
Scion 2e is pretty good. 1e barely works as a game, and basically lacks a setting. 2e is more functional, more fun, broader, and generally more interesting. There isn't any reason for me to play 1e when it exists. 2e uses Storypath which is based on Chronicle of Darkness', which is based on oWoD, but it's a more pulpy actiony take on the whole thing. More bombastic and flexible, but with a fair few dials to tune that stuff. It's not amazing, and I don't think it's as good as CofD's, but it is still pretty solid and more functional overall than 1e. I don't really like how it handles movement, or health, and the rules writing can be jank but it's better than 1eThe setting is very different. Every religion is right, and them being correct is a fact of life. It's not crazy wacky supernatural shit 24/7 but it's present and people know about it. So no masquerade like in 1e, and you can basically do whatever you want with all of human mythology and it just kinda works. It's a setting that can be hard to grapple with if you really zoom in on any one thing but it does make for a evocative place to set a game in, which is generally more important. You could run a masquerade with but it's by no means the defaultLike 1e the game itself is split across some main books, which all build on each other, for the various stages of a Scions power level. But now there are 4 of them. Origin, the first and core book, are on the level of extraordinary, but not obviously supernatural, humans. Although there are non-human options as well. The other books, Hero, Demigod, and God are the same deal as in 1eOther supplements have some other stuff going on there too. Like options for Sorcerers to play as instead. Masks of the Mythos introduces a Lovecraft pantheon, Dragon has the characters be descendants of dragons that have their own place in The World, and there is a whole book on Arthurian myth and those sorts of stuff. Plenty of books, and more coming AFAIK, worth a read IMO
>>967494702e actually has functioning mechanics and doesn't break in half with dex once you hit demigod. Purviews are more open ended instead of the D&D domain spell lists they were in 1e. Things are run much tighter in regards to how many success you can get per roll since epic attributes are purviews now (and only the physical ones, strength, dex, and stamina) and the scale system doesn't do the exponential bullshit 1e does.
>>967494702e is a "three steps forward, one sidestep" type of deal, generally improving vast majority of 1e with introduction of its own, minor kinks.
>>96750008What are these minor kinks you mentioned?
>>96753127Incest, NTR, transformation and outdoor sex. Just like in all the good myths IRL.
>>96753699No major kinks?
>>96753699>Incest, NTR, transformation and outdoor sex. Just like in all the good myths IRL.Um, pardon me, but what? Does it just mention incidents that happened in myth or make up new ones?
>>96755963You're retarded. Don't fucking reply to me.
>>96749470What do you need to know before making a character, anything to avoid?
>>96758102Have some idea of what your character is to be a god of at the start. Also don't spread your stats too thin, have 2 or 3 things in the 7-10 dot range starting out.
>>96759341>Have some idea of what your character is to be a god of at the start.You recommend this, too? I swear this should have been in the Hero book.
>>96759386I feel like it should be explicitly implicit given the theme of the game and shouldn't need to be said outright but then again players can be retarded. What your character ends up a god of can certainly change along the way, but just having something to work towards and focused on helps keep them a coherent character.
>>96749513>The setting is very different. Every religion is right, and them being correct is a fact of life.How does that work? There are multiple origin myths for example, Maui can't have wrangled the sun if Tezcatlipoca gave way for Quetzalcōātl as the second sun, not to mention ya boi jeezy to tha creezy and his old man. Someone tried to explain this to me in the past and failed so I have been Scion-Sceptic ever since but would love to have my confusion alleviated.
>>96759414My pcs got remarkably better in play when I realized this, and I tell it to my players now.I think the lack of the chatter about being a God in the core Hero book makes people ignore it.
>>96759386>You recommend this, too? I swear this should have been in the Hero book.Yeah, seems like an odd thing to leave out.
>>96759430They duke it out or talk it out.
>>96749528lol, i accidentally fell in that way back when i tried 1st ed. i like speedster types so i went full hermes dex fagotty without knowing how bane's knee it was.
>>96763266>It is all these things, even in contradiction to one another.Well, this is about what the guy said and about what confused and upset me. So I guess I might just be too autistic for this. Places that "half exist" gets my Delta Green senses tingling, not my mythology senses. Thanks anyway.How does this play out in the game though? Let's say I'm playing a viking that needs to talk to a guy in Valhalla, but the other two players are from two different mythologies/religions where this is not a valid death domain, my most immediate example being that in Christianity there's heaven, hell, and MAYBE purgatory if you're a very liberal little boy. Is this a source of conflict at the table? Do we role play about this? Or is it just given that we are on the spaceship Valhalla and tomorrow we'll be on the spaceship Hell?
>>96765794The way I understand it is that every myth has a basis in something that did happen in the past or does exist, but time and cultural drift means that the truth of what happened is not always in the public consciousness. Especially when everyone asserts their mythology is the correct one and the others are fake. That's what they mean by "they duke it out or talk it out". It's up to the players to muddle through which things are real or not, and then up to the GM to confirm or disavow what bits of truth they discovered are there.
>>96765870I suppose that's fair. It's a very alien way to play a game to me but once you're in I guess you can just go with the flow and not get too hung up in the details. Thanks for explaining it, really, Scion is in the sphere of games I am not interested in playing but very curious about HOW they are played.
>>96749470How do the expansions like Mythos or Dragons rate? I want to know if they’re worth getting. And has anyone here played as anything but a normal Scion?
>>96768985They're neat, but I don't think they really fit with the base theme of the game. Same with playing as saints, prophets, and sorcerers.
>>96768985>>96769164Oh right, and they should be up on the share thread too. Check in with them first.
How are Scion’s in terms of powers when compared to something like the various beings in WoD, I know that it is its own thing but I would like a sort of frame of reference. Also do any creatures carry over? Are there say vampires and werewolves and are they similar in anyway to WoD?
>>96755963*wooooosh*
>>96769814Treat it as its own thing since the power of plot and story is encouraged. That being said, the shit even heroes can get up to varies wildly due to things like scale, legendary titles, purviews and knacks, and their creativity. Vamps have antagonist stats in Hero. The same book also has rules for playing as a werewolf near the back.
>>96770348Know anywhere I can play it online? I barely know anyone that’s into WoD let alone runs it and even less people know about this.
>>96770722>Know anywhere I can play it online?Seconding please.
>>96769814In general, a Scion either has a silver bullet, or they will struggle.A Scion with the Sun purview, even early on, auto-wins versus vamps. A Moon purview could argue their weapons are silvered because their direct connection to Luna.A combat specced Scion WILL win in fisticuffs against any creature with an equal Power stat or lower, without doubt, unless you have magic invisibility.To add pain, Scions add can add their power stat for successes to ANY supernatural defense, or even mundane defense.They may not win, but taking them down unless you are exceedingly stronger or got the gank is hard as fuck (Solipsistic Existence says high).
>>96774864>To add pain, Scions add can add their power stat for successes to ANY supernatural defense, or even mundane defense.The fuck are you talking about? Clash of wills? The enhancement to defense rolls in demigod?
>>96749528>2e actually has functioning mechanics and doesn't break in half with dex once you hit demigod.1e was THAT bad?
>>96779256Consult the badly laid out picture picture
>>96779323>picture pictureI have no idea how that happened. I blame the brain damage from making this
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>>96759448This is a big one. Both editions suffer some serious issues with this and Fate. The end of a Scion campaign that goes to God is for the PCs to become divine beings trapped in their own Fate like their parents, but the writers never really bring that across well. It's a shame because the dynamic of 'you can change the world, but you yourself become less changable to do so' is an excellent concept. The play gets way better when the players realise their characters are going into ego death and become caricatures.
>>96749513Did they keep that weird thing where Yahweh is some crazy jank Titanspawn?
>>96782879Kinda? Aten is a titan, but he doesn't call himself yahweh, but he still does stuff that'd otherwise be consistent with it.
>>96782879>>96783047Expansion on Aten in the titan book
>>96783047>>96783118Thanks, anon.
