Previous: >>96827680Hero Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:Hope and dreams for the upcoming Avatar Set? Spoilers are upon us.
>>96836366>Hope and dreams for the upcoming Avatar Set?No
wooosh
>tqhope and dream it did not exist
>>96836387>awesome card>flavor win>trapped forever in UB
>>96836418>>trapped forever in UBGood ub though
>>96836391This.
>>96836428Would be if it wasn't competing with FF in the same year. The speed at which they're releasing sets, introducing UB, and what UBs they're picking is all messed up.
>>96836387Is there an instant card like Earthquake?
>>96836437Totally agree. I will find a home for the comet in one of my d*cks most likely though
>>96836418It's approved UB
Alt TQ: what will you run to dab on your opponents with the meme comet?
>>96836438There's Fault Line. I'd probably use it with Star Storm too just for the instant speed board wipe.
>>96836461Approved by who?>>96836446Yeah same, it's extremely explosive for only 5 mana.
>>96836468Approved by /edhg/ and the wider MTG community
>>96836366>Hope and dreams for the upcoming Avatar Set? Spoilers are upon us.That it flops as bad as spider fag
>>96836470>approved by /edhg/ gonna need to see some stats on that
Firebending definitely seems like the biggest mechanical win coming from ATLA.I presume the comet will be a pricey card because1) it was iconic in the show2) its kind of good design actually3) its a pretty potent finisher. Imagine having a bunch of bitty goblin boys and you just win out of nowhere
>>96836478I have no stats this thread dislikes spider-man
>>96836491Well duh, but that doesn't mean people LIKE Avatar. Avatar fits much better, but still.
> I really want to run more non-UB commanders> but all the commanders that look fun are UBCommander for this feel?
>>96836516Golbez
>>96836539NGL Golbat DOES look like a fun guy amd I did want to run Dimir colors
if I plop this down will you let me attack with colorless dorks or will you just assume I'm cheating omniscience into play
Red is by far the most SOVL color and its not even close. Azorius freaks dont @ me
>foil mossborn hydra for 2.20€Please don't refund me please don't refund me please don't refund meee
>>96836476You know it won't, mentally stunted manchildren are obsessed with ATLA.
>>96836563I always assume the worst for any blue commander and I've never been wrong.
2BInstantEach op sacs the highest cmc creature or walker they controlWTF how have I not known of this gemerald
>>96836577>You know it won't, mentally stunted manchildren are obsessed with ATLA.No one is as obsessed with ATLA as you are with MTG.
>>96836552He plays extremely well completely divorced from UB, is really strong, and lets you use a bunch of old, shitty creatures with CDA to do way too much damage>>96836593Soul Shatter is based
>>96836596
>>96836597>shitty creatures with CDA to do way too much damageExample?
>>96836596I just started playing like 3 months ago i don't think that's true
>>96836487I think earthbending is way stronger and has high sinergy with LandFall and LandSac Deck.
>>96836607Broodstar, Filigree Attendant, Master of Etherium, Apocalypse Demon, Souls of the Lost. You can also use Goyfs if you like, even the really shitty blue one that loves instants in all graveyards
>>96836619Earthbending has some potential since it does cause your lands to recur but green can already get lands from the yard. When more cards are revealed it may become clearer, but I didnt see too many earthbending cards that really stood out.
>>96836632If I do run Golbat Im 100% slotting my pet cardGreat suggestions tho thx anonAAAAAHHHHHHH I WANT TO MAKE LIKE 4 DIFFERENT DECKS
>>96836651Good idea, and I wish you good luck. Use Biotransferrence if you're using that and all of them will trigger a surveil too lmao
>>96836640earthbending a shit. the only good bending ability is firebending.
>K-Slop Wallet Hunters finally announced>half the comments are like:>"well it's not for me, but as long as other people are having fun!!!!!!!!"Gatekeeping is a good and necessary part of having any kind of group.
>>96836563If it's your commander then I am absolutely going to assume you're going to cheat something in.
>>96836687If it's just a reskin secret lair, who gives a shit
>>96836391third postbest post
>>96836464"Choose" and "Target" being used at the same time makes me uncomfortable
>>96836602such a dumb fucking name. jfc
>>96836694Because you know it isn't "just" that.Licensing an IP for a SL and licensing it for a UB only differ in how lazy WotC gets to be. Ultimately its part of the same Fortnitification of Magic where WotC constantly chases 3rd party IPs looking for a billion dollars instead of developing its own IP and catering to actual Magic fans.
Green sisters, do you enjoy 1 1/1 Tap add G dorks? Or do you prefer ramp cards? Or both?
>>96836703Like i said, if it's JUST a reskin secret lair, it doesn't matter. If it's a set, I'll gladly join you on the front lines bitching about it and refusing to buy it, but if it's just some pretty j-rock autism like the The Office stuff and Spongebob, it couldn't matter less.
>>96836698Back when christcucks ruled the Earth, damn was considered a very strong swear word. You just happen to live in a world where it has completely lost its potency.If you went back 200 years in the West and said "damn you" to a guy in a tavern, he would punch you out.
>>96836709ok
>>96836694My only problem for with SL is that they create new cards for it. I think SL should be bigger and be only reskin of current cards. You want you Star Treck deck, good , have a Secret Lair commander Deck of 100 card that are just a reskin of the Edge Precons with an extra $ fee you have to pay for it. This way Hasbro could have their dirty money and we could have UB out of Magic.
>>96836708>Like i said, if it's JUST a reskin secret lair, it doesn't matter. If it's a set, I'll gladly join you on the front lines bitching about itHoly fuck you can't be this stupid.>errrrrm it's JUST HIV! If it was AIDS I'll gladly join you on the front lines...ITS THE SAME FUCKING THING YOU RETARDYOU CAN'T SEPARATE THEMTHE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE SEVERITY OF THE EFFECT ON THE GAME
>>96836698>>96836709It's not meant to be a "swear" name on a card. They aren't trying to make a cool sounding edgy card like calling it "FUCK!" or "SHITWRECK". It's about damning someone. Like, causing them to be condemned. To hell, or whatever.And it's a fucking reference to Damnation, a card for which it is a side-grade.What the hell do you think is wrong with it?
>>96836719>It's not meant to be a "swear" name on a card.No I know, I'm just saying the only reason "damn" sounds silly now is because it is an impotent word in modern culture. But it wasn't always an impotent word, and that's why when looking for ye olde words to put on fantasy cardboard, they went with damn.
>>96836716Calm your autistic ass down you stupid fucking sperg.
>>96836687Can you link this announcement? It doesn't seem to exist.
>>96836715That's why I specifically said that if it were a *reskin* secret lair, it's fine. The problem with mechanically unique secret lairs is self-evident and maximum cancer.>>96836716>you can't separate themPeople paying for expensive reskin proxies is not bad for the game nor does it matter. You're being far too black and white about something that isn't a problem. Let me spell out my opinion for you>Mechanically Unique Secret Lair (Iron Man, Sonic, etc)Bad for the game. Bad for everyone.>Mechanically unique UB setOnly good if heavily reigned in and in the same genre as MtG such as D&D, Final Fantasy, and LotR. Given their current release schedule and how inundated next year's releases are with off-genre and awful UBs, it's cancer.>Non-Mechanically Unique Secret Lairs (Just expensive proxies)Actually completely irrelevant and not worth the breath you waste caring about it. Spongebob wasn't a problem because what, you think that Counterspell with dumb art is gonna hurt someone? Jodah is just as cancerous no matter what you print on it. The Office is retarded and not even funny, but a copy of Swords to Plowshares with stupid art isn't unique or interesting, let the people buy the thing they like if they want to.
>>96836716Classic poopdickschizo post
>>96836735>final fantasy>same genreUh
>>96836729>no argument>>96836733CEO announced it in shareholder meeting>>96836735>People paying for expensive reskin proxies is not bad for the game nor does it matter.>b-b-b-b-b-but it's only bad when it's unique cards.I'm going to say this very calmly and clearly for you anon.THE SAME CORPORATE MOTIVATION FOR LICENSED SECRET LAIR SETS IS WHAT LED TO UNIVERSES BEYOND SETSYOU CANNOT SEPARATE THEMYOU WILL NOT CONVINCE HASBRO TO SEPARATE THEMYOU CAN BEG ON YOUR FUCKING KNEES AND PERSONALLY SUCK EVERY BOARD MEMBERS DICK AND YOU WILL NOT GET THEM TO PULL BACK ON THISHasbro wants money. 3rd party IP licensing is printing money. They could not give less of a fuck about the effect it has on the game. Only YOU as a player care about that, and they are hoping to replace YOU with someone who doesn't give a fuck about the game but will spend money on cardboard funkopops for a game he doesn't play.
>>96836745ok
>>96836745>CEO announced it in shareholder meetingYou have not shown proof. Thus it did not happen.
>>96836745> The same motivation causes both things to happen therefore both things are bad.Sweaty...that sounds like a logical fallacy
>>96836745they hated him because he told them the truth
>>96836745Sorry, if you're not going to engage honestly with me and just throw a bitchy hissy fit I'm just gonna disregard your poorly put together opinion.>>96836740Yeah no one in magic has ever had a vehicle before. I also enjoy cherrypicking as well, despite my distaste for things like Instant Ramen and TheCar(tm), there's also 14 other games with far more magical and appropriate worlds. In fact, most things from FFXV, much like the game itself, are stupid. Also Aetherdrift as much as that leaves a bitter taste on the tongue.
>>96836745>nonono people aren't this stupid, this isn't happening!HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHA
Do you have any mtg tattoos bros?
Non-combat damage should count for Commander damage
>>96836802Turbo retarded
>>96836802Why?
>>96836817so I can abuse it
I am once again /r/equesting a judgeDoes this trigger twice if two tied creatures die at the same time?Or?
>>96836825Yes. The if a player controls a 5/5, a 5/6, and a 2/2, then both the 5/5 and the 5/6 have "the greatest power among creatures that player controls". If they die simultaneously, then that's his trigger event happening twice.
>>96836787>Cherry pickingGo fuck yourself. FFXV has selfies and shit. Some FF's fit. Shit like FFXV do not. But you've revealed yourself as a fanboy just posting "IPs I like are okay :D"KYS MM
>>96836829Thanks fren. I thought these type of effects usually specified 'or tied for ...' . Is that old lingo now?
What's the general consensus on "fuck this we're ending this game now" cards? I've had people complain that stuff like pic related "ruins the fun" because it lets everyone mass dump their big stuff onto the board to end the game.
>>96836858>intellectually dishonest replyok
Anon, I am still waiting for you to post your old-school phyrexia yawgmoth deck
>>96836802I'm not even convinced that commander damage should exist at all
>>96836853God bless you
>>96836797Damn that's sick. Also no. I don't have money to waste like that.
Just played a 3-hour game of EDH that ended in an unintentional draw.AMA.
Wow, this guy is an absolute unit
>>96837008Did you have fun?
>>96836802I AM RISEN>>96837011Definitely underplayed too, but Golgari has much more fun options.
>>96836366>avatar setI hope it will be over soon, I want Lorwyn, have high expectations of the jund commander, want to have Hapatra, Scorpion God and Massacre girls all in one deck. >>96836869It has suspand. If other players didn't like it, they have three turns to stop you.
>supposed to have two new decks for this weekend>put it off>try yesterday>don't like the sleeves I got for them>can't find all the cards>have to dig through piles>have to go through other decks and pull cards>that's just more problems>end up questioning the brew as I'm assembling it>give upMan building new decks is such a chore nowadays. I'll do it this week instead...
>>96836763>UWAAAAH UWAH IM A BIG FAT BABY AND I NEED TO BE SPOONFED!Open wide!https://www.thepopverse.com/gaming-magic-the-gathering-kpop-demon-hunters-secret-lair
>>96836797no fucking way thats real.how unbelievably dumb do you have to be to have a tattoo let alone your whole back with some mtg garbage.the elites are right, the plebs need culling, ASAP.
>>96836992>*gains infinite life*oh anon, you dont have a wombo combo to win on the spot? guess you've lost the game.
>>96837153The elites don't cull the plebs, where the fuck do you get that from? They import new, stupider plebs from 3rd world countries because waiting 18 years for your own plebs to be useful is inefficient.
How do I abuse the funny blue rock? I'm told that any sort of "if you'd gain life this turn, double the amount" effect works with it, thus bringing you to 40 health every time.
>>96837167>The elites don't cull the plebsHow many covid shots did you take?
>>96837191>How do I abuse the funny blue rock?by not playing it, and if you own that version, sell it to the next fool.
>>96837191card's shit anon.there are better thing's to cast for 7 colourless that net you more cards or win soon after.>>96837216 this guy is right, get rid of it while its new and get something better
>>96837216>>96837222Yeah, I randomly pulled it. Although it's only worth $16, so it's not particularly valuable. I was thinking it might work for my Zhulodok deck.>7c so it triggers cascade x2>it gives 2 cards from the cascade x2, a card from a land, and a card from the spell that triggered cascade (aka 4 cards per turn)>heals you up late game
>>96836516Only UB Commander I've considered building is War Doctor + Clara Oswald (blue).
>>96837166I don't see a problem with thisInfinite damage combos and other combo wins are perfectly fine, and infinite life gain LOSES to those combos.
>>96835053I was thinking the same but 4 white pips seems a bit prohibitive to me.
>>96837250In Selesnya? WWWW is very easy to make.
>>96837211>vaccine die off in 2 more weeks!
>>96837251Seems so at first but often in practice you might be straight up lacking the pips or having to use all your white sources to cast it. I mean it's far from impossible obviously but it does put some stress on your manabase.
BEHOLD, A COLORLESS CARD!
>>96837263>6c for a super mediocre tutorEw.
>>96836391kino photo
>>96836516The Celestial Toymaker
>>96837263is the hybrid mana thing really going forward or was just a meme?
>>96837263Shittier ring of three wishes
>>96836366>Hope and dreams for the upcoming Avatar Set?Last minute cancellation followed by reversing course on UB?
>>96837277Of course it’s going forward. Like all things with WotC, they tell you they’re “considering” it after its already been decided.
>>96837268Ohohoho but anon. You forget I have a Bird of Paradise Arcane Signet and an Exotic Orchard. I WILL be paying that black mana.
>>96837300but anon, if arcane signet makes black you're already playing a black commander
>>96837300But... is it then colorless, if you have bird of paradise in your deck?
>>96837263Reddit loves this btw
>>96837333who doesn't anon?im tired of doomposters and mtg haters.enough is enough!
>>96837300Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that you can't produce mana outside of your Commander's color identity. So if you have a Green commander and make black, you just get generic colorless mana.
What are some good wincons/synergies to include in abzan landfall?Please help a noob out :(
>>96836366>Hope and dreams for the upcoming Avatar Set? Spoilers are upon us.Sexxo Ty Lee and Azula cards
>>96837268I regularly cast it for free in rowan>>96837277It will ruin edh so hard. WotC needs to fuck off
>>96837341If a card says add one mana of any colir, you can do it, anonBirbsTreasures
>>96837341Used to be the case; isn't any more.
>>96837308It’s not a colorless deck. If a card has a completely colorless/generic cost it can go in any deck, like your mana rocks. If the hybrid change goes through, Beseech the Queen can be played in any color deck>>96837341You are indeed wrong. That’s why some cards have to say they make mana in your commanders color identity. If you have a card that makes mana of any color you can make any color
>>96837375I saw this podcast that’s two Blizzard employees talking about Magic and they said they liked it as it would “shake up the meta”As if printing 30,000 fucking cards a year isn’t already enough to shake up the meta
>>96837363Azula in bikini, please. I mean, adult, timeskipped 18+ Azula.
>>96837407>Azula in bikinibased>I mean, adult, timeskipped 18+ Azula.cringe
>>96837407I will never understand the porn addict brain
>"hybrid mana in mono decks will ruin the game!!!">hybrid mana change occurs>nobody cares after half a week
>>96836516
>>96837342https://scryfall.com/search?q=id%3Aabzan+keyword%3Alandfall+game%3Apaper+format%3AcommanderLearn to look for cards yourself, just pick some keywords or strings of card text that might do what you want.
>>96837430>no sais
>>96837433I mean I know how to find individual cards but scryfall doesn't show me synergies that let me do a bunch of cool stuff together, that's why i asked for help.
>>96837382>>96837388>>96837391Huh, that makes it actually viable then, assuming the hybrid mana thing is going through.
>>96837191Play it in a pay-life deck like Krrik and enjoy jumping back up to 20 life if you somehow fail to win with endless cantrips.
https://moxfield.com/decks/7MYqOG8wLkCK6HKvchbBiwWelp I built a Kraven list. Im not gonna lie, I think this deck will be fun as fuck. I cant wait to cast a revolving door of removal effects until I eventually just start sniping people.I think this deck is very commander dependent and I may regret not having more protection, but either way I think itll be fun.
>>96837429There's genuinely not a whole lot of cards that would make much of a difference in many decks. But of course that could change as they print more hybrid mana cards in the future.
>>96837429>changing the rules for no reason is good actuallycringe
>>96837482There is a good reason, it gives people more fun deckbuilding options
>>96837476>UB slopDon’t care
>>96837429fuck off nosewater>noooo companions were good actually you'll be nostalgic for them later!!
>>96837490Why have color identity at all, then if it's "more fun" without it?
>>96837490>more options is inherently good"no!"
>>96837477The difference is having access to cards you were never supposed to access >>96837490WotC currently prints ~1,600 unique cards a year. Does that not provide enough “fun deck building options”?
>>96837449I think it's better to figure ones out yourself rather than use things like this but you do you https://edhrec.com/combos/abzan
>>96837497Like 99% of cards that release are packfiller
>>96837504How many commons does a typical set even come with these days? 25% or so?
>>96837501That also just shows infinites, not cards that just do cool stuff together
>>96837504Massive exaggeration, but I’d expect nothing less from a raging homosexual.
>>96837507Most uncommons, rares and even mythics are worthless filler too, there's like a handful of good cards per set and many archetypes don't change at all between releases.
Is scryfall really slow for everyone?Searches take like 10 seconds.
>>96837504I know we're in the EDH thread but you are aware that limited is a format that people also play, right?
>all these contrarians agreeing with sw*rdbroedhg has fallen... millions must buy...
>>96837521Even a retard can be right once in a while.
>>96837521broken clocks. hybrid mana is a fucking retarded change that's antithetical to the core of edh/commander.
>>96837518Edhonlies are the only ""people"" who want this change to go through.
>hurr durr purposefully designing dogshit cards is part of le other formatslmao nodogshit cards exist to shit up boosters so gambling addicts will spend more money.the term "draft chaff" exists for a reasonretards
>>96837543You're really outing yourself as an EDH only too, because the only format where this rule even matters is EDH.
>>96837553Here’s a thought for you retard, if you tried to make a set that was all 10/10 cards, some of them would still be better than others and you’d refer to the ones that weren’t good enough as “draft chaff” all over again
>>96837540Here's the thing: no one cares. People only play Commander because it's trendy. Who cares if they make a change that's antithetical to the core of EDH/Commander when it's not going to kill the format because brain-dead consumers can't help but play the popular format?
>>96837560That's what I'm fucking saying. Why would anyone who plays any other format, and thus can use these cards anywhere want them to be changed in edh? EDH is the format where you're SUPPOSED to be using cards that are within your identity. Identity does not exist in other formats except explicit commander-likes such as Brawl and Canlander.
>>96837567>who cares if the game gets objectively worse as long as there are still people who will play itThat’s your argument?
Too lazy to throw together a current deck photo like I usually do, but I scrapped my sticker Derevi deck after a month and put this guy together.He's basically a glorified pile of 5-6-mana counterspells and answers that let you play draw-go control. There's a lot of terrible ones that make it comfy to resolve him and pass without much fear that you're going to get killed.1 mana Gifts Ungiven is also pretty crazy. Though his toughness being graveyard-based is very poor. I came close to losing against a stray Bojuka Bog in my game one.
>>96837576>objectively worseexcept its not. its subjective
Enemy color gearhulks when?
>>96837590>hey let me put poop on your food>no that's bad>don't be so close minded its all subjective
>>96837590Only in the sense that everything can be subject of youre retarded.Someone might subjectively love the taste of human feces, he would still be objectively wrong to eat it
>>96837590>no dude let's dilute and reduce the rules in clarity yet again>no seriously it's subjective!
Oh yeah it's definitely subjective. SUBJECTIVELY RETARDED DUMBASS
>>96837518No they don't
>>96837591Eventually
They should impose more random restrictions to improve color identity.Green should have at least 35 creatures.Blue should have at least 10 counterspells and so on.
I think that whole subjectivity bullshit comes from market researchers. They’re not trying to make a good product, they’re trying to get peoples money, and a stupid persons money is worth as much as anyone else’s so they don’t make quality products for discerning people anymore
>>96837599>you shouldnt eat shit because itll probably make you sickthis requires someone cares more about their health than eating shit. things don't have to be objective for you to agree with them anon.
>>96837566>oh no, I have actual choice instead of just throwing 90% of cards straight into the trashutterly deranged
>>96836802Absolutely not. Kambal would be total bullshit if his ability worked that way. Just 1 of probably 100's of examples
>>96837660Cool, so using your own logic, disagreeing about something does not make it subjective it just makes some people less rational than others. I could not agree moreObjectively the hybrid mana change is bad, there is no subjectivity to it, only stupid people
>>96837667
>>96836797>one of those "my butt is boobs" prison tattoos you're forced to get so your cellmate has something to look at while he fucks youlol
>96837492Didnt ask!
>>96837567I play edh because it's the only format where I can play offmeta shit without getting stomped into the ground
>>96837569>beasts embrace>black>artifactForm of the dragon makes more sense>red>hurts you>already animalistic
>>96837679you? Definitely mental retardation. me? not falling for wotc tricks.
>>96837670my point is that the smart way to say what you're saying is "hybrid mana change will homogenize the format and make it less distinguished from other formats". when you try to just substitute the statement with "ITS LE BADDDDD" you just look like you don't understand what about it makes you upset and you don't know how you can convince people to like the same things you do.
>>96837710>the zipf law of distribution is something wotc came up with
>>96837717>my point is that the smart way to say what you're saying isYou're not as smart as you think you are and you should go around thinking you are so intelligent you can tell people what they think
>>96837717The format was already homogenized the moment 5c commanders stopped sucking and 4c pairs became literally the best commanders in the format. A monoW deck getting another token doubler is not going to do that. This is legitimately an autistic schizo argument made only by people that never read any hybrid cards (because they suck and would have zero impact) thinking the format will suddenly warp around them.
>>96837725i dont judge people's intelligence based on a few posts. everyone likes to go looseygoosey sometimes on the rhetoric
Cards for this feel? Has to fit in dimir.>>96837702Good point, but the card has to be playable in an established deck which happens not contain red.
>>96836687And what exactly would you autists have done to gatekeep? The writing was undeniably on the wall the moment TWD dropped. The playerbase knew the future was UB at that point. Did any significant portion of the playerbase stop consooming and abandon the game? Nope, you paypiggies continued to slurp and cope and hope. You didn't gatekeep the company by showing them you wouldn't tolerate UB, so what would you do in the other direction? Bully people at FNM and LGS's for using legal Magic cards? Good fucking luck. Absolute best case scenario, you become a no games stewing in the corner because nobody wants to play with your angry autistic ass. Vast majority of the time? You're being shown the door for being a hostile retard, probably with permanent bannings if you come back and don't change your behavior. You pissbabies had a half decade to signal to the company you didn't want to go this direction. You could've sold and stopped buying at any time in the last 5 years. You didn't, so shut the fuck up because nobody cares.
>>96836853Kill yourself
>>96837733i mean even bad 5c commanders were always good because good commander decks dont actually give a shit about the commander that much.
>>96837739Have you ever considered that the people you're complaining about did indeed stop buying those products but that they were simply outnumbered by the people who have no problem with the current direction of the game?
>>96837733>erm akshually, I ALREADY think the format is dead so that makes me better than youThis is the weirdest shill argument. I've seen it a few times. If you gave a shit about something you still wouldn't want it to get worse, even if you thought bad things had already happened. If anything, you'd be even more opposed to even worse changes.No idea why shills get it in their heads that they can convince others to stop caring about something by saying it is already dead. Happens all the fucking time in the UB discussions on here too.Oh look, someone has provided an example right here lmao >>96837739
>>96837245Yaaa War Doctor seems pretty good. It counts any exile or phase, not just your own so I assume it has a very high ceiling for time counters it could generate. Clara being able to double up the trigger is funny, you could probably snipe people with the effect quickly. For some reason doesnt tickle me though.>>96837273>The Celestial ToymakerWhat even is this from?? Im sure Blue Black has plenty of ways to group piles of cards, this deck probably builds itself. I think Im looking more for 2 color stuff right now though.>>96837430Breh. This card does not tempt me at all. Dont want to make a WUBRG Ninja tribal pile.Golbez Ill prob make a list for and see how I feel about him.
>>96837739not buying UB but buying MtG stuff is a better market signal
>>96837753>Shill! Shill! Shill!Good argument. It really tells me you thought about your position more than being a reactionary retard.
>>96837430God these TMNT cards are just so creepy and weird, only the most disgusting incels will buy these shit
>>96837739>pissbabies
>>96836366>Hope and dreams for the upcoming Avatar Set?All cards are blank because it was a prank. Them maro walks the plank.
>>96837761I don't know what else to call someone who masquerades as someone who cares MORE about the format/game than anyone else whilst also telling others that it's dead and they should stop caring.Sounds like a shill argument to drive off people who still care by trying to delegitimize their care by saying you cared more before them
>>96837263But anon all your lands have mine counters on them..
>>96837333Reddit is a parody of itself
>>96837570>EDH is the format where you're SUPPOSED to be using cards that are within your identityExcept everyone runs 3-5 colors nowadays.Maybe just maybe if a few more cards were available to colors people wouldn't just throw their hands up and run WUBRG slop everywhere
>>96837772When the best way you can defend your stance is by crying that everyone dismantling your argument is a shill, all that does is indicate that you're a low-functioning autist that struggles with the idea of change no matter how insignificant.
Arcane Signet and Command Tower did more damage to EDH than hybrid mana will.
>>96837747Then why are you still hear crying about a game that's never going back to what you want it to be? So you literally have nothing better to do with your life?
>>96837796Boring bait desu
>>96837759No, because there is zero way to differentiate a consumer who is intentionally not buying UB product but continues to buy UW product. What would have to happen is 90% of the buying playerbase coordinating to only buy UW, which is simply not going to happen.The only data the company has to go on is raw numbers, they can't rely on surveys because there's too many cringe autists who spoil it trying to "stick it" to the company.
>>96837796I don’t run commander tower or sol ring or arcane signat because a YouTube video told me not to. I am very smart
Damn, its real schizo hours right now isn't it.Legit can't even tell what points people are trying to make.
>>96837808How is he wrong? Those 2 cards are auto includes in every* deck ever and were printed for commander only. Hybrid cards are a tiny fraction of cards and will barely ficking matter at all. Hybrid card change won't affect most things. I can't think of a single hybrid in any of my 7 decks nor one aim dying to add. All the pearl clutching about hybrids is basically> noooo change is scary and wotc is bad!!!!
>>96837842>Hybrid cards are a tiny fraction of cards and will barely ficking matter at allretard, the next 2 sets are both big on hybrid pips
>>96837842Auto-includes aren't inherently bad, they're good because they're super cheap cards that help make the format more accessible without doing anything broken.They're no sol rings, you're not ever getting some absurd advantage over the rest of your table because you played a command tower.
>>96837590Going against what was a central part of its creation seems a pretty objective measure. Its getting worse at being EDH because it is objectively less like EDH.
>>96837867>Auto-includes aren't inherently bad, they're good because they're super cheap cards that help make the format more accessible without doing anything brokenEhhh I disagree. The professor jokingly made an extensive list of auto-includes and the truth is there are already a LOT of cards that can be considered auto includes as long as your budget supports it.And Signet/Tower are especially egregious because they are more beneficial the more colors you run, so their mere existence drives more people into WUBRG's embrace
>>96837733>no dude the cards are badNo one is saying they're good, anon. People are *rightfully* upset about it violating color identity.
>>96837896> Haaaalp, WotC is literally violating me right nowHoly fucking autism
>>96837867Auto-includes that are good design are good, like Cultivate or Counterspell or Sign In Blood. Auto-includes that are busted like TOR or Sol Ring or Beast Within are bad.
>>96837896Also doubleposting to add this is rich coming from the guy who cant bring himself to run fewer than 3 colors in any deck he builds. How long did your 2 coloe Golbez last before the lack of colors made you queasy?
>>96837893I don't have an autistic vendetta against manycolor decks so that's really not an issue for me and if anything the first part of your post supports my point.These two help budget players manafix, you shouldn't be restricted from playing whatever color you want just because the lands are too expensive. If anything they should print like 10 more command towers with different names and also print all the other good lands until they're worthless, pop that bubble like the CS skin market.
>>96837917This might be the dumbest post this week
>>96837909I agree, that's why i said "not inherently".That being said i subjectively like sol ring, it's obviously broken but it's fun.
>>96837917>doublepostingWhat?>he likes to run 3 colors!!Well, I still have Golbez, but I am considering trying to make Breya again. Color identity is still important, why would that be less true because I want to use multiple colors? Like, I'd love if Golbez had Red, but he doesn't and that's a restriction (which is a good thing).
>>96837277I'd say the bigger worry with the twobrid colorless idea is the new Tarkir cards. Some of these at 5 mana are a pretty good rate for an out of color effect.Not to mention that depending on how the rules work, you can just make some treasure and then you've got it down to 3 mana again.
>>96837789You haven’t dismantled shit. In fact your own stance got dismantled and all you can do in response is scream that a single word means your opponent loses and you win by default
>>96837941Ah yes, because there's no ways for every color to massively spike a creature's P/T
>>96837961>I didn't lose! You lost!I accept your concession.
>>96837980>equip 8
>>96837980>>96837988doublepost, cringe
Are UB cards better if they have a normal version? Like is pic related more acceptable because theres Nethroi floating around out there?
>>96838000No, that's even more retarded because you have the same effect on a normal card so you went out of your way to play the shitty one.
Today I found out that lifelink doesnt stack like cascade.
>>96838017And double vigilance doesn't allow you to attack with a tapped creature.
>>96838000Yes, these are far more tolerableMechanically unique effects that only have UB printings are asscancer, especially when they interact with under-served mechanics, e.g. all those doctor who cards interacting with suspend that you basically have to run if you want to play a good suspend deck. And even worse, they all have special creatures types like "time lord" so if you want a hypothetical alter to be rules-perfect you have to include that shit.
>>96838000They're totally fine, I just see them as proxies someone actually had to pay/trade for.
>>96838017There are ways for those who know...
>>96838034but double strike deals double damage. pure scam game.
>>96837980Like I said, a pretty good rate to be able to not only double the P/T of a Blue creature, but also get some proper creature removal at the same time.
>>96837931>Color identity is still important, why would that be less true because I want to use multiple colors?BECAUSE if you run 5 colors in all of your decks then color identity doesnt matter to you at all. I know thats an exaggeration, but the more colors you run, the less your identity is restricted at all.My extreme example is this. Presume you run 2 colors. You are currently allowed approx 1/10th of hybrid cards. With the new rule you would be allowed approx 7/10th. If you run WUBRG, then the change doesnt affect you at all.And further, the total amount of cards available to 2 color decks is about 40% of wubrg. So adding more hybrid cards gives them more options. Which I think is a good thing.The thing is 3-5 color commanders are far worse for the format because they pretty much evade color identity issues and can run good stuff piles already. The humble mono W player suddenly being allowed 4/10ths of hybrid cards is a deserved boost.I do _kind of_ see why people care about color identity, but when the majority of decks are like 3 colors and majority of cEDH decks are 4 colors and many are just 5, then color identity already lost all relevance.
>>96838083are hybrids even a boost for mono color decks at all?most hybrid cards just suck or else they do something that's only valuable if you have both colors
>>96838105Not really. Like someone else said, we do expect to see "a lot" of hybrid cards in Lorwyn and I guess also ATLA(?). But no, the volume of hybrid cards compared to the total card base is small and will change very little either way.
>>96838083Now, I'm gonna tell you I reread this a few times, but honestly I'm not really sure I agree with where you're coming from. Do I think they maybe focus too hard on giving more colors than necessary to Commanders to encourage more "goodstuff" piles? Maybe. At the same time, if you want to build a Grixis deck, you NEED a Grixis Commander, and I think that if you let people slot "some" red cards into a Dimir deck because they were designed as multicolor cards. I think the limitations are what breed more creativity, and I don't think there's a "much needed boost" or an earned boost, it's just muddying the waters in a way that is both unnecessary and opens them up to make more stupid design decisions (especially since Lorwyn is next and that's where those cards are from). I personally think if you want to run an Orzhov card, you need a deck with both colors, be it Orzhov, Abzan, etc. A mono-white deck slotting in Cauldron Haze could be cool, or fun, or neat, but you could also just ask your playgroup if it isn't that big of a deal, why change the official rules and make color identity less specific for no *real* reason other than to open it up for dumb design shilling (shilling from the company, I'm not calling you a shill).
>>96838083you will eat the three-colored commanders and you will like them
>>96838000No. Only losers with absolutely nothing going on in their lives or achievements to call their own care about art on the cards of a trading card game.
>>96838200>caring about your hobbies bad!!!
Eventually they will get rid of color identity as a whole. Amazing that retards can't see where this is going.
>>96838212I honestly might go back on a long hiatus from magic if that happens
>>96837021No>Sit down for a game at my LGS>Already know I'm in for the worst time of my life as I get assigned a pod>Some asian dude and a black guy are already at the table discussing hybrid mana, saying that it will improve the game>Not in the mood to argue with them, so I start unpacking my deck>Black guy is wearing a shirt that looks like it had a render of some generic Sonic artwork slapped on it, looks like total shit and you can tell that thing is at least 10 years old because of the terrible CG>Fourth guy arrives>Most obvious fucking Indian guy ever. Thickest accent imaginable. Sounds straight out of a Kitboga video.>For some reason he says he's greek, completely unprompted>Game about to start and I look at everyone else's decks>Palladia-Mors (the new one), being played by the Indian dude>Shadow the Hedgehog being played by the black dude>Notice that the asian dude has fucking Niv-Mizzet ahegao sleeves for his deck (Galazeth)>Consider leaving because of izzet combocancer commander, but I already went all the way to the store so I figure it's probably not worth it to just leave>Big mistake>Black guys shouts "CHAOS... CONTROL!" literally every time he casts something with Shadow's ability, doing a terrible Shadow impression>"Greek" Indian guy constantly talking about "beautiful old women" he saw at work, making me want to shoot myself>Asian guy not announcing anything he's casting, which is usually 5 spells/turn. Literally just "make more mana, draw more cards, protect commander harder" absolute slop while he stares at his sleeves. Hoping I draw Farewell to shut him down>Oh yeah, and it turns out the black guy was playing fucking Goblin aristocrats so his turns ALSO take forever, making drawing Farewell even more important>Asian guy casts Windfall and copies it for no fucking conceivable reason. End up discarding my Farewell without ever getting chance to play it(1/2)
>>96836572>zoomer talk>twitter speak We know you play red.
>>96838228>Indian guy has a full board of 10/10s drawing 10 cards per turn with Great Henge + Nahiri's Resolve, and I'm the only one swinging at him because the other players say he hasn't even gotten to play his commander yet>Now he's ALSO taking forever to finish his turns because of all the triggers he has on all his creatures that he keeps flickering>Literally sit through three turns in a row where every single opponent took a 15-minute turn that didn't win>Finally draw a card that can deal with the Nahiri's Resolve cancer on his turn, but unfortunately he gets off an Eerie Interlude to save his board and draw another 10 cards>Still, I'll be able to take him out on my next turn by swinging at him>The fucking asian guy decides to join in, doing a terrible Sonic impression shouting "CHAOS CONTROL!" as he kicks Molten Disaster, setting the whole game back 10 turns>I had protection in my hand but because the stupid fucking card has split second I couldn't use it>Game gets reset, but manage to rebuild my board, have lethal on the indian guy and his NEW army of fucking 10/10s>Black guy's turn, expecting another fucking 15 minutes of him spinning his wheels as he plays a billion hasted goblins, then sacrifices them to deal 5 damage, gain 5 life, and draw 5 cards>"CHAOS CONTROL!" he casts fucking split second Blasphemous Act. Another 10 turns while everyone rebuilds their cancer boards>I just want it to be fucking over>Big surprise, the indian guy once again gets a board of 10/10s>Indian guy goes to full swing at the black guy for lethal damage>Black guy smugly stands up on his chair>Oh god here comes another fucking boardwipe that adds another hour to this game>"CHAOS...">He tries to strike the same pose as Shadow on the card, only to fall off the fucking chair and onto the table>Cards go flying everywhere as the whole table flips underneath him>We're forced to call the game a draw because our cards are literally all over the store now(2/2)
>>96838153>I think the limitations are what breed more creativity, and I don't think there's a "much needed boost" or an earned boost, it's just muddying the waters in a way that is both unnecessary and opens them up to make more stupid design decisions (especially since Lorwyn is next and that's where those cards are from).I agree that limiting space does improve creativity and is a good thing. However, my belief is that the recent trend of commanders being printed with more and more colors available to them is the biggest threat to creative deckbuilding. A higher portion of commanders are many colors now because of partnering effects and also WotC intentionally printing high power or otherwise interesting commanders in tri-color. Yes you need a Grixis commander to run Grixis. But when there exists a lot of high power and unique options to do so, its not like your commander itself is some sort of restriction like you are kind of implying. People will choose to run the Grixis commander precisely because it has more colors than the Dimir commander, and they dont sacrifice anything to do so because tri-color commanders tend to be pretty pushed. And partner / quad-color is the same but ecen worse.I ultimately believe that the hybrid cards is small potatoes compared to this issue and its very true that it wont change much for mono color decks to suddenly have Azorius etc hybrid cards. But I also dont see it as a problem and I do see it as a small boost to people who choose to run 1-2 colors and already willingly limit their identity by doing so.When I first got into commander my natural assumption was that you could run a hybrid card as long as it matched enough of your colirs to cast it. Im not sure if flipping the "and" to an "or" is more or less confusing to people.
My deck didnt do its thing last night.
>>96838200You sure are quick to chime in on what other people can and cant care about which to me seems a very odd thing to care about.
>>96838234I feel like the ideal solution would be to allow hybrid cards for mono-color decks specifically, since they have the smallest card pool by far, and are already the most likely to include various color-pie bends in their list.I'm not sure whether or not it needs to be an official rule though. WotC could just do something like announce a 'public playtest' for it, telling people to try out the Hybrid system, and then just never proceed further, and then you'll just have people deciding for themselves.
>>96838204How does the art on a card stop you from enjoying your hobby autismo?
>>96838225Don't blame you. I'd keep some cards/decks that have sentimental value and just cash out.
>>96838244Sorry you don't like the truth. Hopefully you're under the age of 22 and still have a chance to grow the fuck up.
>>96838232>The fucking asian guy decides to join in, doing a terrible Sonic impression shouting "CHAOS CONTROL!" as he kicks Molten Disasterlmfao, based
>>96838200What do you imagine the life of someone with things going on and achievements looks like anon?
>>96838234>and is a good thingreddit speak, stopped reading there.
>>96838228average farewell player, literally has nothing in the bag except hoping to draw and cast it.
Getting back into EDH after like a decade, what is all this bracket nonsense?
>>96838306Not caring about something so irrelevant and pointless as art on a TCG card. It'd be one thing if it was actually controversial, like Bearecape's gay dogwhistle, but they're crying and seething over fictional character Y on a card instead of fictional character X. That's beyond pathetic if you're over the age of 13 and is indicative of a loser who has nothing else going on with them.
>>96838329>nonsenseyes
>>96838328No, the asian dude did a sonic impression, joining the black dude's shadow impression.
>>96838332>It'd be one thing if it was actually controversial, like Bearecape's gay dogwhistleare you the person with a lot going on in his life and achievements, anon?
>>96838283The truth is that i shouldn't care about the things I enjoy and should instead be a pushover?
>>96838343Yes. Nice conversation, enjoy your Saturday Anon.
>>96838351If images of Ninja Turtles and K-Pop singers in a nerd card game is enough to genuinely upset you you are already a pushover.
>>96838000The Godzilla method is the far better method, because it means that game pieces aren't locked behind a random IP that makes it more difficult for WotC to reprint the cards in the future. Art is one of the most important parts of a trading card game. Nobody would play pokemon if the cards didn't have pokemon on them.
>>96838376That is not how words work zoomie
>>96838399The fuck are you even trying to say? You anti-UB dorks are so weird and stupid lmao
>>96836572Fear me for blue white are the colors of god
>>96838332>Bearecape's gay dogwhistleNigga it's literally softcore porn
Can it be broken?
>>96838435how the fuck was this rare? even at the time
>>96838414the only kinosovl in that sloppa soup you posted is Bruna.rest is peak F.I.R.E
we need more anime cards like this
>>96838458You're so full of shit. I think only 1 of them is even top 100. Most are below top 200 or even lower
>>96838469this looks like trash i dont get the appeal go play one piece or something idkthat said i dont care because llanowar elves have already been whored out art wise
>>96838313I wouldnt know
>Judge I'm not slow rolling I promise. My fucking Spuzzum will not make a decision.
>>96838478no I want to play mtg and want my cards to look like this
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU FUCKING FUCKS!
>>96836707Depends on the deck. If you have some reason to benefit from the extra body beyond just mana then sure, but usually I cut them at some point for ramp stuff.
>>96838475>edhrec userok
>>96838491All cards are considered to have their oracle text printed on them. You are disqualified.
>>96838513You post like this too much
going to locals made me realize im not as autistic as i thought i was
>>96838507Thank you for posting properly
>>96838448Its combined p/t is bigger than its mana value AND it has TWO keywords anon
>>96837143I usually start dragging my heels around the landbase part. Mostly just because I want as many of the same land as possible with art that fits the commander and I just don't find that as easily sometimes.
>the green player is ramping out and has too much mana>I got you, family
>>96838519I hear going to Alcoholics Anonymous can be a similar experience
>>96838535the problem is at best like half of the ramped lands are forests
>>96838414> Lustrous> Gay Dragon
What are your EDH hot takes?>they should bring back banned as commander>they should bring back the commander tuck rule>the only banned cards should be colorless cards that have too much of an unfair impact like Jeweled Lotus, Sundering Titan and Emrakul
>>96837476I like the list so far. You sort of have a backup for Kraven in Chevill, Reyhan, and Cleopatra so I don't think it would be that bad if you do lose him. Just going to want a Garruk's Uprising or something to give the other stuff trample just in case. You are also in black so you've got options for reanimation if you want too. Either way I like the idea. Looks like a fun build.
>>96838576>30 life anon is probably correct>the banlist and the GC list should both be expanded by 10-20%>normalize banning UB cards
>>96838576>EmrakulFuck you unban my hentai noodles. I'm still mad I can't run a full titan deck because of her being banned.
>>96838570Every EDH player has to have 1
the best part about playing a clones deck is if anyone says its too strong you just tell them to not run such strong clone targets.
>>96838590>>96838576These takes are hotter than the burning bag of dogshit I left on your porch this morning and are twice as shitty.
>>96838590>>30 life anon is probably correctSaid literally no one ever
>>96838576>40+ lands
>>96838632Shut your influencer ass up
>>96838576Actually spicy opinionMill is a severely undercosted mechanic for the impact it has on a deck
>>96838542> Hello my name is anon and Im addicted to purchasing cardboard> I buy cardboard almost every day, sometimes Ill order online and buy in person in the same day> Whenever I walk past an LGS, I always stop inside to see what cardboard they have> Cardboard affects my relationships> I cant go to Thanksgiving dinner because the last two times I went I started screaming about certain characters whose visages appear on cardboard; I banged the table until my mother started crying> I rarely have money and when I do I go and buy cardboard right away> If I havent smelled the fresh scent of freshly unpacked cardboard in a day, I get shaky> My least proud moment, I once sucked a guy off behind the LGS for a secret lair Japanese artist print I wanted for my deck
>>96838655Hits too close to home
>>96838642>guy rips up my ticket>he is legally obligated to get me a new ticket>the new ticket is a winning ticket>the ripped up one was a losing ticket
>>96838576I frequently agree with Swordbro.
>>96838576The average commander player hyperfocuses creatures and lets people get away with murder when it comes to enchantments.If you're in mono-R you have an excuse, but the GW+ player who can only remove enchantments with Farewell is a problem.
I feel like this card undervalued.
>>96838688It's $10, what exactly do you think it should be?
>>96838688Dies to a single orcish bowmasters ping
>>96838688it's a staple in every landfall deck in every format what are u talking about
>>96838686i think it's because everyone runs swords but no one runs nature's claim.
>>96838715Well don't draw an extra card before playing a land then>>96838713>>96838720If they don't reprint it to death i think it'll go up into at least the 20s eventually, it's just so crazy
I want to run self-discard/madness but I really don't want to run Anje since she looks really boring. >Main creature base is zombie tribal to make use of all the discards >Sedris for unearthing (the exile seems kinda bad though) or Marchesa because she's cheaper to cast and can play into sac>slight madness theme >slight reanimator theme>slight sac theme>Red provides rummaging and looting >Blue there for zombie supportIs this too many unfocused gears?
>>96838755try Norman Osborn
>>96838757No.
Will golgari have to bear this cross forever?
>>96838763>does exactly what you want to the letterI think you're being close-minded, anon.
>>96838660
>>96838755try Fleem
>>96838755I had a really hard time making use of Sedris when I made him. Is the zombie tribal part mandatory? You could try Asmo.
>>96838775Paper Omen Paths is coming
>>96838783No, but I expect fleem to reappear as a new card in some real set later on now. Nothing stopping you from proxying omen path art though, just don't copy the awful arena text box, only the image/name.
They should ban sol ring and release a new mythic that does the same thing.
Are inked playmats and yourplaymats still backed up like crazy? I am thinking of getting some stupid 3d render I did printed.
Are manlands just memes in commander or is there any use for them? I have so many of these fucking things but they don't seem good.
>>96838632I did this in my lifegain deck that absolutely needs engines online and it works well. Same for my slower voltron deck. Did it for my dragons deck and my Alexios deck and they performed worse.This debate is really about wanting engines online early vs casting big spells ahead of curve, both of which are very typical strategies of battle cruiser EDH.
>>96838814ETB tapped and spending around 4 mana for like a 2/3 with a keyword is pretty ass. Even in constructed only like 4 were ever actually good, their main use was to be a lingering threat you couldn't kill at sorcery speed.
>>96838720I don't play it in my landfall deck
>>96838814The only deck I have that has manlands is Erinis/Street Urchin, where i can sac them for value and bring them back easily. They're very niche; I don't even use them in tribal decks.
>>96838576nonbasic land denial like blood moon should be legal in every bracket to punish 4+ colour players
>>96838814Only if your deck has some specific synergy with them or their effect. Like inkmoth is scary, but only in voltron/proliferate. Otherwise the duals are usable in budget.
How many basic lands do you guys run in a 3 color deck?
>>96838814>>96838829I always found them useful after a board wipe to get some damage in, especially if a PW is up. Every little bit helps, but it's up to you if ETB tapped is worth it in the deck. I use them in slower more casual/budget decks because I have a lot of them.
>>96838576It should be sociably acceptable to kill the guy sandbagging for the first 5 turns
>lgs game, playing with a dude ive played with off and on for years>muldrotha, omnath, oro>jun gitaxis, sheoldred, cyc rifts etc>ok high power, play my meme deck>turn 8>have thousand year storm, primal amulet, black mage>electrodominance, narset, creative demonstration loop x10>guy crashes out and says my deck needs to be in cedh bracket
>>9683885710-20 depending on strat and pipsmore swingy devotion means more nonbasicsmore land ramp means more basics
>>968388571-3 of each.
>>9683885735ish
>>96838857Like 3-4 of each, number can vary based on deck style and if you have a lot of fetches.
>>96838877This deck, https://archidekt.com/decks/16541659/parnesseGuy is complaining about me to the owners and Im having to show my deck, ridiculous
>>96838877>turn 8>cedh
>>96838857Like 5
>>968388577 of each but I play very budgety
>>96838587Thanks anon.I do have a reanimate so I might throw that in. I am kind of worried about the backup wincons. The ones you mentioned are ok, but somewhat lacking the punch that Kraven has.
>>96838814I use the blue/white one in a Choco deck because it's an extra Bird attacking trigger, but other than that I've never found much use for them in commander. Just another one of those cards that I love in 1v1 formats but doesn't really scale up to commander.
>If they add hybrid mana to the game, it will be the first step to erasing color identity and the format as a whole>Well, yes, I try to play commanders with as many colors as possible, but I don't see how that's related
>>96838814the one with firebreathing is good for a post-farewell killer
How do you handle this?>going infinite>demonstrate loop>guy wants to cast something at the end of my loop, before he dies >tell him that we need to play through that then, because of triggers and draw>’I just want to counter at the end of the loop’>’then we need to play through it’>argument
>I want to use multicolor cards>I refuse to use a multicolor commanderYou can just play a 60 card format that doesn't have a rule like Color Identity you know.
So, am I reding this right, that playing more colors is considered cancerous? Because I only ever played two at most.Can I call myself "basado" now?
>Why yes, I do think the format needs more Magdas and Najeelas>Was it my profound mental retardation that told you?
>People actually want Kinnan back on the GC list when Ur-Dragon is still around
>>96838984This guy gets it
>>96838990How would he possibly counter something in an impactful way when you could presumably just resume the loop in response?
>>96838984>>Well, yes, I try to play commanders with as many colors as possible, but I don't see how that's relatedNo one does this it is a retarded strawman by someone just baiting for (You)s
>>96838733Tell that to the other players in your pod as well
>>96838990I mean, yeah you're right. There's really no other way to do it. He's either got to do something then and there or it needs to fully play through. Did he end up showing you what he had or did everyone just argue enough for the game to end before he did?
>>96839000IDK what you play but whatever it is, its cringey slopy pigbait
>>96839014dragons are cool, fat ugly gay kids are not
>>96839043You can just remove Kinnan but you can't interact with the Ur-Dragon in any way.
>>968388572 2 3
>>96839051dragons > fat ugly gay kidsIt's that simple
>>96839025Literally swordbro, you know, the guy you spend 2 hours a day seething about and stalking
>>96839061He is none of those.
>>96839076low-res game screenshots are the visual media equivalent of a fat ugly gay kid, sorry
>>96839025>No one does this
>>96836464Captive Flame
Is there an alternative to this? I run it in every deck.
>>96836802just put infect on your commander, nerd
Would someone PLEASE think about the color identity
>mfw Slivers and Eldrazi are already 5c>mfw none of these changes affect me
>>96839039How DARE you?
I need to make money to fund my second deck, anyone hiring?
>>96839124Like just exile or exile and copy?
>>96839151
>WotC seriously sending shills to astroturf the hybrid mana change because they've already decided its going to happen and can't tolerate rejection now
I think the hybrid mana change is great and will bring in more new players.
>>96839124You mean colorless removal? I like Meteor Golem. End up putting him in a lot of decks since he happens to synergize surprisingly well with some since he's a creature.
>>96839182There's one now! How much does WotC pay per post? $0.01?
>>96839157I think she just thought he was weird and maybe a violent psychopath.
>>96839124Colorless targeted exile attached to a body? I can't think of any real alternatives that don't compromise on at least one of those things.
>>96839163>>WotC seriously sending shills to astroturf the hybrid mana change because they've already decided its going to happen and can't tolerate rejection nowIronymaxxer or schizo?
>>96839186They don't need to pay me to promote the best card game in the world, now more popular than ever!
>>96839219Hybrid mana will kill edh. Why do they feel the need to keep making the format worse and worse?
>>96839182>*0.4 shekels have been deposited into your account*
>>96839228That's antisemitic, which goes against the MtG Social Contract.
>>96839219If you think companies don't pay people on social media to shill, I don't know what to tell you.Crypto rug-pullers do it all the fucking time, paying off people with well-established reddit accounts so the posts look more legitimate. It's even easier on a site with no accounts at all. Just pay a bunch of Indian or Chinese bot farms to make a couple hundred posts promoting something.
>men showing abs is fine again but women showing skin is haramWomen in creative positions were a mistake.
>>96839224>Hybrid mana will kill edhPromise?
>>96839249Women are wildly fucking prejudiced and privileged and they have no comprehension of it at all because they're all plagued by neuroses that feed into victim complexes
>>96839249Haha, str8s lose again. Cant wait for my gay bars of new capenna sld
>>96839249I hate that this is a solid card with a great name and it's locked to ub sloppa
>>96839268are you the truly oppressed victim anon? have they stolen your valor?
>>96839249>schizo nonsense.
>>96839249>>96839292Bi and Pansexuals are eating good.
Works with firebending comet btw
HELLO. FELLOW COMMANDER PLAYERS.I HAVE COME TO REMIND YOU TO CONTINUE PROTESTING THE HYBRID MANA CHANGE.PLEASE DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO HOW WE HAVE RENDERED THE GC LIST IMPOTENT AND REMOVED RESTRICTIONS ON TUTORING IN EVERY BRACKET.PLEASE CONTINUE TO RELY SOLELY ON RULE 0 GOING FORWARD AS WOTC CONTINUES PRINTING NEW AND EXCITING CARDS INTO THE FORMAT.I AM A TURTLE AND I EAT PIZZA!
>>96839288I don't participate in the oppression olympics. There is no benefit to trying to determine who has it the worst, all I'm saying is that women enjoy some of the greatest social power on the fucking planet but are biologically incapable of seeing it due to the way they're wired
>>96839316>I AM A TURTLE AND I EAT PIZZA!Literally me.
>>96839316pizzabros...>>96839292edeabros...we won
>>96839316>T AND REMOVED RESTRICTIONS ON TUTORING IN EVERY BRACKET.You mean by making a colorless tutor card? >>96837263
>>96837246>Infinite damage combos and other combo wins are perfectly fine,a lot more people hate combos (and the tutors that find them) compared to those like you that hate voltron strategies fyi
>>96839332Still a nothingburger
>>96839336Sounds like a them problem tbqdesuwyf
Hybrid mana is a nothingburger, change my mind.
>sit down for friday FNM commander >I play my equipment voltron>player 2 with boros go wide + tokens>player 3 with horobi control>player 4 with bant midrange>seems this will be a slow game for me>player 4 gets out rhystic and smothering on turn 3>Slow game just got slower>Land/card pass on all my turns>half checked out because I can't even equip anything before dealing with Horobi>Boros player also plays slow and doesn't commit anything unless they have a death trigger or have recursion >Horobi fetches their Tetzimoc and can now clear the board every turn>I keep slowly drawing and committing nothing to board>Boros keeps making tokens>Bant slams everything on board and loses it immediately to Horobi>Tries to Song of Dryads, Horobi dies and get's reanimated>Draws through half his deck without sticking anything for more than one turn>I'm losing (and doing) nothing of note>Boros sets up a few hexproof creatures>Bant keeps casting creatures with no protection and complaining that he's getting targetted despite not being a threat>Wow you have so many cards in hand, what are you even doing (not playing recklessly in to Horobi)>Why don't you kill her board instead of my one guy (those 2/2s have hexproof)>Bant keeps casting his commander without protection from CMZ each turn>drawn through half his deck without finding an answer>Bant player eventually scoops>Declairs Horobi to be unfair and too strong>me and Boros shrug and tell him he can't mindless slam cards against control, to no avail>Boros player wins a few turns later by alpha striking through a few board wipes and spot removalsGame was pretty fun, some good stack interaction from Horobi reacting to other players targetting their board to keep him down as well, and using buffs as pseudo removal.
>>96838576>emrakulwotc will GC that thing in 2026 and i can't wait to laugh at you in /edhg/
>>96839316>astroturfing the hybrid changeruining the concept of color identity is worse than them not using the GC list well. Brackets were always retarded.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=is%3Ahybrid+t%3Aaura+c%3Aw&unique=cards&as=grid&order=nameI'd add Strength of the Harvest to lightpaws but it taps for green on the other side so it can't be played.
>>96839351>>96839357How many times do you intend to post the same thing?
If someone at my LGS unironically abuses this shit by stacking their deck with hybrid cards that clearly violate their color identity i will take a shit right there holy fuck we can't accept this rape of our game anymore
>>96839367The color identity has already been widely eroded. It's time to put pedal to the metal and accelerate.
>>96839380>The color identity has already been widely eroded. It's time to put pedal to the metal and accelerate.This is not something someone who cares about this game would say and you should come up with a better angle if you intend to change anyone's mind.
>>96839385If I have to deal with teenage mutant ninja turtles, you'll have to deal with the hybrid change.
>>96839355you're the only one whining about commander damage in this thread, clearly you have the problem here lmao
>>96839392We don't have to have either, and if you were genuinely opposed to either of them you'd be arguing against both instead.>oops done broke my arm, guess I gotta slit my own throat!Not gonna convince many people
>>96839393Here you go lil guy
>>96839402>We don't have to have eitherBut we do. That ship has long since has sailed. The course cannot be corrected.
>>96839402>We don't have to have eitherIncorrect. We have to have both
>>96839413Again, really not something someone who cared would say
>>96839424I would rather see this game in the bottom of the ocean than face someone who says "I'm going to use leonardo's turtle power and in response, Spock phases in Dwight!" unironically.
> Do you believe orange man is bad?Yes> Will you kill the orange man?W..what? No thats..no.> Wow doesnt sound like you care about the country very much
Every thread seems like anons just argue about UB ad nauseum
>>96839431Yeah, so you'd be arguing to make SL and UB non-legal in EDH, not saying how you want to make the game worse because you're mad.Even if you were that spiteful, you'd know that there isn't a point at which the things you care about in the game being so bad would actually put normies off becuase normies are too stupid to care.So no, I don't believe you genuinely hold that belief. I think you're a shill who thinks the way to convince people who are upset about the direction this game is going in is to trick them into believing that ruining the game more is actually some epic own instead of exactly what WotC wants
>>96839452Oh silly me, I forgot I worked at wizards of the coast and can just declare that UB is banned indefinitely and all future UB products are canceled!
>>96839462I mean, screaming about banning UB would have as much effect as screaming that hybrid mana is good.Again, doesn't seem like you genuinely believe the things you say.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96839462>be me>billionaire>buy wizards or hasbro>declare all ub illegal>buy big pharma and military industrial complex>have mercenaries and drones track ub products down >arresting 4 guys playing at midnight in their basement playing harry potter commanders>public executions
>>96839380I mean, it clearly hasn't as this is one of the, if not the only impending rule that will blanket allow cards in off-color. The only similar rule is Extort and that has always been an exception based on how specific and true to color identity the game is.
Hybrid mana cost has always been a weird and somewhat confusing edgecase with little impact on the game. If you think its a big deal, then you unironically need to acquire a dog and go touch grass
>>96839487BASED
>>96839487please milord spare the harry potter gamers, they were only doing it to annoy the trannies
>>96839487>>96839507>executing people playing harry potter commandersuh oh tranny melty
Why is flash still on the banned list when it might win you the game with the help of some other cards for two mana but thoracle isn't on the banned list when it might win you the game with the help of some other cards for two mana?
I think Ill draft ATLA and post proof just to cause immeasurable amounts of seethe here
>>96839538holy based
>>96839506>we should fundamentally change one of the core aspects of EDH because who cares it doesn't affect you
>>96839534Ban Thoracle. Ban all infinite combos. Kill all cEDH players
>>96839506>haha just go touch grass!!>stop playing!!>no one of the core defining features of the game doesn't matter!!>I LITERALLY CAN'T ASK PEOPLE TO LET ME PLAY A SINGLE BAD CARD IN MY MONO COLOR DECK I NEED THE RULES TO CHANGE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I'LL 51% MYSELF IF YOU DON'T LET ME FORCE YOU TO DEAL WITH ITMental illness.
>>96839451threads are almost always about UB and hybrid mana because most mtg players in 4chan are autistic casuals, it is what it is
>>96839506>Hybrid mana cost has always been a weird and somewhat confusing edgecase with little impact on the gameNone of this is remotely true.>card identity is determined by mana symbols on the face>this card has 2 mana symbols so is 2 colorsIt's actually much weirder for it not to work like this.If the hybrid change happens. What color will pic related be? Green OR black, or green AND black? And why?If you say green and black, because both colors are in the text box, I'll ask you why it can't still be either since I can just choose not to use one of those abilities
>>96839552>the current hybrid cards suck? ha! they'll just powercreep them, just you wait!!wotc has been powercreeping the game hard w/o hybrid since 2019, retard>no one of the core defining features of the game doesn't matter!!mtg at its core is a 1v1 60 card game w/ a 15 card sideboard and edh is in actuality a corruption of it
>>96839451>Current set is UB>Next set is UB>4 of the 7 sets announced for next year are UB>...why is UB all you guys talk about?
>>96839552Bait post>>96839570It would be green black because it has a green and black symbol. Obviously. Did you really not know that? Maybe you arent so smart if you couldnt see that.
>>96839570>hybrid cards are both colors that can be put in mono color decks>but if the card has 2+ mana symbols in the text box then it can only be put in 2+ color decks, hybrid or notyes it's arbitrary, but i suspect that's how wotc will go about it
>>96839604It's more than arbitrary, it actually is counterintuitive.If you tell a new player that a hybrid card can be either of its colors because you can choose to pay either color, then its confusing to say the same thing doesn't apply to the text box.
>>96839594talking about UB isn't the issue it's the fact it's just constant back and forth with anons bitching at each other for using UB cards at all and how MTG is going to die soon. It's the same shit from last year
>>96839627>and how MTG is going to die soonI don't think anyone has said this ever. There is no world in which 0 people play Magic, or Hasbro suddenly stops producing Magic. People are saying that Magic will be a hollow husk that no longer caters the the audience it had for 25 fucking years.If you want to call that "dead" as some kind of shorthand, I guess you can, but it would be misleading.
>>96839580>completely irrelevant weird nothing replyok?>mtg at it's core is....Okay so you're being intentionally disingenuous. Commander is a format, formats are different forms of play with their own rules, anon. Commander as a format has this thing, it's called Color Identity. The symbols on the card indicate what decks it can go in, regardless of what you can/have to pay, changing that serves no purpose other than to make the rule less clear. Rules are not bad things, they do not have to go away because you had a dumb idea for a card you wanted to use.
>>96839626>hybrid card can be either of its colorsthat has never been the case, hybrid cards have always been 2+ colors that can be played in mono color decks in 60 card land, that is just being transported to edhdeathrite shaman just happens to be a special case because it has mana sybols in its text box and i think that will override a hybrid card's ability to be put in mono color decks
>>96839651>that has never been the case, hybrid cards have always been 2+ colors that can be played in mono color decks in 60 card land, that is just being transported to edhYOU ARE DISCUSSING FORMATS THAT DON'T HAVE FUCKING COLOR IDENTITY AS A RULE
>no guys seriously i literally hate the rules that define the format>no what do you mean i could go play any of the other dozen formats?>no just change yours to accommodate meLiteral tranny behavior.
>>96839665They're the same with UB>>no guys seriously i literally hate the [worlds and characters that define the game]>>no what do you mean i could go play any of the other dozen [games]?>>no just change yours to accommodate me
>>96838899>>96838877ended up having the store owner 'talk to me' and go through my decklist, Vivi and Kefka are problems cards that I might want to remove (never had in hand or seen at all that game). Apparently someone complained about it before - when I gave everyone a relm's sketching and they copied a craterhoof, and I backlashed all of their creatures for lethal. My store is so cucked it's beyond saving, I'm not even playing crazy shit.
>>96839644>>96839660>FUCK I CAN'T BEAT HIS LOGIC!!>....AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE I'M CLUTCHING MY PEARLS NOW!>COLOR IDENTITY IS A SACRED THING, OK?!>IT'S FUCKING 10 COMMANDMENTS SHIT!!lol i'm completely neutral on this whole thing but seeing you sperg out i want hybrid now so that i can see you cry haha
>>96839684>false equivalence presented as if it's a gotcha
I'm adding hybrid cards to my next order just in case.
>>96839701>noooo you can't use analogies when they don't fit my narrative!
>>96839693>I can't beat his logic>his logic is obviously wrong>prove it wrong>NO JUST CHANGE THE RULES PEARLCLUTCHERSo.... why play commander if you don't like the rules of Commander, anon?
I like proxies btw
>>96839693Amazing how you declare victory when you're on the backfoot. Genuinely fascinating.>"errrm actually you could always play hybrid cards in any decks in other formats!!!!">this is the one format that has color identity as a rule which is why those cards don't go in any deck>"I AM TYPING IN ALL CAPS AND MAKING FUN OF YOU!!!!!!"
>>96839707>doesn't know what a false equivalence isConcession accepted. Make a better comparison next time, please.
>>96839701What was false about it? It's literally 1 to 1
>>96839708>So.... why play commander if you don't like the rules of Commander, anon?because i like the multiplayer aspect of it and my mental state is too strong to be mindbroken by little things like hybrid, retard
>>96839718>>96839719>still repeating the same argumentswhere have i heard these things before?oh yeah, this is just the same as UB being announcedi like how UW tards are now latching on to hybrid, hoping that this time they'll get a win, kekw
>>96839743You're still doing it anon. i hope for your sake you're at least doing it on purpose out of embarrassment.
>>96839725Explain to me how putting Zidane on a card is changing the rules of the game, or even comparable. The problem is you're just going to make the exact same false equivalence because you seriously don't have any idea how to argue properly.>>96839731So why can't you just ask your friends to allow your mono white deck to run Cauldron Haze? Why does it have to be forced on everyone else? Why erode Color Identity for something so pointless that you could tell people in one sentence that you're doing it and that it isn't a problem? The problem is that it sounds like you're the one being mindbroken by simply having to ask to use a card so EVERYONE has to change and the rules don't matter as long as YOU like it.
>>96839750>Explain to me how putting Zidane on a card is changing the rules of the game, or even comparable.You know the purpose of an analogy is that the things aren't identical? Because if they fucking were it wouldn't be an analogy they'd just be the same fucking thing.Trannies who don't like the setting of the game want to change it with UB in the same way they don't like the rules of the game and want to change them. That is the connection there
>>96839750rule zero exists for every use case, retard. why are you bringing this up when it's not relevant?the real problem you have here is that you fear that once hybrid becomes legal you can't leave your basement of likeminded autists anymore because anyone with a brain will just shrug their shoulders and accept hybrid, leaving you strandedlet me guess, you hate brackets too huh? hahahaha
>>96839749i can't wait to see you cry next year when they make hybrid official ecks dee
>>96839665>>no just change yours to accommodate meBro I don't really care all that much. If they change it, I don't care. If they don't change it I also don't care > How dare you not care about the format!!!The hybrid shit is, was, and will always be weird and unituitive to newbies. It will always be a tiny portion of cards. The only people who care are religious puritans, schizos, and people who reflexively hate everything WotC does
>>96839791you dropped this
>>96839791>The hybrid shit is, was, and will always be weird and unituitive to newbiesSee >>96839570Not sure why you think repeating something demonstrably untrue will somehow make it true
>card only has white pips>can't play it in my mono white deck because the card is also blue
>card only has green pips>can play it in my mono green deck even though the card is all colors>these are real and current commander rules
>>96839801Replying to yourself is about the biggest faux pas you can make, just fyi
>>96839805it's called a colour identity pip liberal, live with it
>>96839814you believing whatever you want won't change the fact that hybrid rules will be changing next year btwand there'snothingyoucandoabout it
>>96839810>literally just the inverse of devoid>AHHHH I'M GOING INSANE, BURN ALL THE RULES OF THE FORMATWhy the fuck would you even play it in monogreen when its affect only gives multicolored spells convoke?
>>96839824Love that you've been completely btfo repeatedly and can't even conjure an argument anymore. All that's left is to act smug to protect your ego.What a world you must live in
I feel like I am developing an unhealthy obsession with making new cards. I didn't even get to play vidya despite having almost the entire day for it.
>>96839837>I feel like I am developing an unhealthy obsession with making new cardsYeah we all wish you'd stop. This is not a custom cards thread.
>>96839833>Love that you've been completely btfo repeatedlyi've already given the logic that wotc will most likely go with hybrid, no one but you is arguing against it>All that's left is to act smug to protect your ego.holy projectioni'm not the one protecting the sacredness of color identity here like a fucking retard lmaosee you next year!!
I'm baking new
>>96839777>dropped the pretense and just admits he's being intentionally disingenuousI'm sorry that you don't even care about your hobbies at this point.
>>96839837keep going anon
>>96839837assassins with deathtouch but no first/double strike are nothing more than uneducated suicide bombers fyi
>>96839859>he hates brackets toohave fun staying in your basement forever, can't have you be offended by hybrid and GCs now lmao
>>96839867That is very much in-flavor.
Move>>96839875>>96839875>>96839875
>>96839685No one cares about your shit story that didn’t happen
>>96839292Japanese only - again - like fuck offthis is no rainbow gay-tranny shit on corporate logo's when selling in countries that yeet the faggot.
>>96837733Honestly all partners outside of the named partners should be banned.Further more I remember back in 08/09 renting out 5 color legends because all the try hards kept running Reaper King, and in those days two people in the same pool couldn't have the same general.
