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Time to roll for the Ghost vs Ghouls Halloween grudge match!Using https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zdswz4c2avek6oing7pyk/3028-3057-Random-Assignment-Rarity-Tables-10.64.pdf?rlkey=s8ywj7tonnw87cgn1n2n7bf0b&e=3&dl=0 to determine units.Running on the 30/40/20/10 distribution as in Battleforce. So do a "dice+2d1000" with the first die being your weight and second being the vehicle you get.1-300 = Light301-700 = Medium701-900 = Heavy901+ = AssaultGhosts (Comstar) 2x Mech Level II's - use the Star League Regular Army 2750, mechs only.12 slotsGhouls (Pirates) 1x Combined Arms Company - use Mercenary/Periphery General 3028 either mechs or vehicles**12 slots**vehicle rolls have been given a modifier for skill dies this occasion just to give them more of a chance if some mad anons decide to go for them.>How do I determine skill?See attached. Roll a "dice+4d6" with first two being added up to determine experience with the third being gunnery skill and fourth being piloting skill.**for vehicles apply a +2 modifier to skill dies, so for example say you roll your 4d6 and get 2, 5, 2, 5, first two means you've got a regular but you add a +2 to each of the skill dies so, 2+2 = gunnery 4 and 5+2 = piloting 3>Rerolls?Yes for skill but only one and you have to keep the result meaning you can in fact roll worse!>Will there be balance applied?Not really no, this is mainly done for fun with the randomness meant to make things more interesting.>I'm a namefag can I join?No. Aim is to keep things focused on the characters anons create, not the anons themselves.>When does this start?My intention was to aim for Halloween itself but due to time commitments its likely going to be next weekend.>How does this run?I'll be using megamek and princess AI on a random 34x32 map size for practicality reasons. As entertaining as it would be renting a hall and flying anons halfway across the world for a real match I don't have the time nor the resources for such a thing.
>>96871057ONLY THREE SLOTS LEFT FOR EACH TEAMGhosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4DV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5MON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4Ghouls (Pirates)WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/5CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4Vedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson.4/4Vedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5
>>96871030>I got introduced to the setting via the clan invasion and thought the clans were dicks, but after reading the Succession, they are saints conpared to the Inner SphereYou're either retarded, which considering you like the clans you probably are, or you didn't read enough lore. The average Inner Sphere peasant lived in luxury compared to the average Clan labor caste member who is as starving and malnourished as the lowest North Korean. Only the Dracs approached the Clans in shit living conditions and even then it's implied that Takashi at the very least looked the other way when his father was assassinated for trying reduce the living conditions of the Combine to Clan levels.It was always stupid that after invading the Inner Sphere the non warriors didn't defect in mass after eating their first twinky.
Vlasov-inspired Jagweebs>>96870398 (You)>>96870444 (You)
>>96871057>>96871065Thanks for updating for me.I'm content to leave it as 9vs9 if anons are happy with it?Also Donald Butler Holdfast is 4/4
>>96871077I agree with this anon. Clan lower castes should have rebelled as soon as they tasted their first burger.
>>96871123personally I am hoping we fill out the whole roster
>>96871057>>96871065Probably just run it as is by the end of this thread, 18 people is probably the best you can hope for.
>>96871077The clans are noble and fight fair, the spheroids just nuke eachother
Average succession war battle >Warlord John "Warcrimes" Kojima of the Draconis combine attacked the planet of New New Mexico, defended by the fat social general Otto Vo Oberstein-Lohengramm.>They fought to a stalemate, and nuked the planet similtaniously.>3 Billion people died and several valuable technologies were wiped out, but the Draconis combine took the planet>three years later the noble merc company known as the "Murder Death Killer Batallion Legion of Death" effortlessly liberated the planet while handing out free candy and giving presentations on why warcrimes are bad.
>>96871128>>96871128They've been heavily indoctrinated their whole lives (the Way of the Clans is basically a religion), and the Clans are a vicious police state. Protesters and agitators are beaten, demoted, and often killed. Any kind of organized protest gets you labeled Dark Caste and shot on sight.From what we see, the Clans tried to enforce full Clan ways on immigrants from the Homeworlds even when they were more lenient to Spheroids.North Korea is absolutely a good analogy, or maybe some of the Soviet Closed Cities
Rolled 537, 652 + 4 = 1193 (2d1000 + 4)>>96871057>>96871065Fuck it rollan, we're the Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok
>>96871170You don't capitalize the V in "von". The word means "of", and you don't capitalize that in any European language.German noble titled also occasionally have "zu" ("at"), also not capitalized.
Rolled 1, 4, 6, 6 = 17 (4d6)>>96871177>Rolled 537, 652Vadim managed to steal himself a Shadow Hawk SHD-2H not bad
>>96871189So assuming I understood it right Vadim in his Shadowhawk SHD-2H is a Crack pilot but can't hit shitWith 5 Gunnery 2 Piloting
>>968712004/5 Green pilot
>>96871174Really surprised the labor castes didn't go full rise up mode when they witnessed the IS performing rescue raids into Clan held territory just to get people out. Seeing warriors who actively cared about people should have been a huge wakeup call but then I supposed your average Clanner is that brain damaged.
>>96871342IIRC Clans can do a Trial of Possession for specific Civilians so they pushback just at it as the IS powers recovering assets.
To that one other anon who played Aerotech that one time. Thoughts on this? https://battletech.com/playtest-battletech/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2025/10/BattleTech-Playtest-0500-BFS-Aerospace-10-26a.pdfI've been skimming through and if I am brutally honest it feels like its edging more towards being a card game more than anything? Not having to worry about heat or piloting rolls screams to me that a flying furry got butthurt over lawndarting one too many times?I'll need to have a full read at some point but can't really see why this would even bother with models with way it is going.
>>96871730This is BSP version, not actually aerotech rules.
>>96871342You shouldn't underestimate how deep societal indoctrination can run, and how difficult and rare working class uprisings are, especially in a police state.
AP ammo actually seems really good with the new playtest stuff. Might be worth stuffing into anything with a spare AC2 just to crit-fish.
>>96871925Breathes new life into the Mauler
>>96871912I dunno, the number of the Clan Warriors that polices around seems just too few. I'd rather believe that they have made a hypno app or something
>>96871925Finally got a reason to grab this shitmech model
>>96871934Or just life in general. The Mauler was always kinda shit.>>96871949>I have become the crit warrior!
Cat girls aren't canon in Battletech, that's some old school non-canon fluff that means nothing and the meme needs to die less we misinform newbies.
>>96871949Until you take a PPC and die to normal crits.
>>96871925Best part is how it cucks clanners.
Off the top of your head, create an all eras lance for each of the 5 great houses, no repeats.
>>96872560i think it evens out now that uacs dont jam either
>>96872595Steiner>Banshee>Zeus>Shadow Hawk >CommandoDracs>Awsome>Dragon>Panther>JennerLiao>Stinger>Vindicator>Urban mech>LocustPurple Bird>Orion>Thunderbolt>Ostol>RiflemanThe Br*tish>Centurion>Enforcer>Valkyrie>Warhammer
>>96872673I've never seen a UAC jam.I've also only seen one get the doubletap off once.I don't much see UACs.
>>96872515>old-school>non-canonhang yourself valk.
>>96872698in my experience when my opponent brought some after a bad jam i wouldn't see them ever again maybe that will change after this
>>96872698Bring a standard Kraken, you'll see plenty of both.
>>96872515No.
>>96872698I went a long time saying>I've never seen MASC fail on turn 1It all happens with enough time and when it does its usually pretty funny
>>96872515Yeah...your wrong.
>>96872802I saw it happen the first time I saw someone use MASC.
>>96872595Define eras? Reunification War? Cause that immediately means the list is impossible.
>>96872595Space PrussiansBansheeZeusGriffinCommandoSpace JapsDragonPhoenix HawkQuickdrawJennerPerfidious Space AlbionVictorEnforcerCenturionHatchetmanSpace China CyclopsThudCatapultVindicatorSpace BalkansAwesomeOrionWolverineHermes
>>96872802I once destroyed both hips on turn one like that.
I managed to pull off a UAC20 double tap and I will never get that dopamine rush again. I think most people see it go poorly once and dont even bother after that. I also think most people's bad experiences come from MegaMek because I haven't played a game in years where we didnt have a house rule for clearing UAC jams.
>>96872967I happened to be on the receiving end of that on time. Had the double-HAG Mad Cat Mk II raining shots all over the enemy force for most of the game and I eventually moved it up to finish off a wounded Gargoyle C when it let loose with the UAC-20. Both shells and an ER medium went straight into my left leg, snapped it clean off. Huge swing in favor of the enemy team, but I eventually managed to pull out a close win anyway.
>>96872997Some doofus found this mech buried under rubble. The main issue its just the structure only and he only has enough cash to to fit an ICE engine into it as well as plaster some Industrial armor to cover the mech. Luckily for him the mech's internals are the standard for Battlemechs as well as Endo STeel and with some fine haggling with Sea fox merchants he netted himself some Chemical lasers as well as a Light AC-2 and ammo to go with it.He's calling it the Trash Heap.
What if the UAC2/5 had a +1 to their cluster roll?
>>96872937>Hatchetman>All Eras
>>96872686>>96872937These lists contain designs that are not in all eras.
>>96873482My list >>96872686 is all succsession war designs so all eras
>>96872515>Cat girls aren't canon in BattletechCat ears and tails are on the mutation table.
>>96872686Dracs areThug or atlasDragonHunchbackPanther.
Davion have the coolest mechs
>>96871937FASA are idiots.Just adding up all the Warriors detailed in the sourcebooks shows that there needs to be more than 100,000 Warriors if we count children and police.
Love the Jenner-IIC. Wish there were more variants
>>96874016Is it trying to charge the Annihilators butte hold?
>>96874016I really enjoy a lot of the IIC mechs, the Shadow Hawk IIC and Griffin IIC find their way into a lot of my clan lists. Phoenix Hawk IIC is great too, I like the 7 for the twin LBX-10s and 4/6/6 movement.
>>96874158I like the way a lot of them look, but so many of them are just LPL or gauss boats and I refuse to do that.
>>96873482>>96873531Eras that get less play than Dark Age dont matter.
>>96874032SRM enema of course
>>96871764>This is BSP version, not actually aerotech rules.It's the only rules anyone is going to use, so it might as well be the Aerotech rules.
>>96874343If I'm going to not play the game, I'm going to use the abstract rules and simplify it.
>>96874258>but so many of them are just LPL or gauss boatsThose are the objectively correct ways to play the game. The designer of TRO3055 saw that decades ago, and actually made optimized designs that made sense with the rules. If you aren't using them then your literally playing wrong.
>>96873417Personally, I was thinking about +3 cluster roll, make double tapping with smaller calibres almost guaranteed. Less recoil, more accuracy.
Finally finished decideing on the compostion of my mech company>Shock trooper lance4 stingers, first in, last out.>Rifle lanceJob is to be the front line.>Artillery LanceSit comfy in back blowing stuff up>CenturionMech units CO (not the company comander, thats the Valkyrie) that tags along sometimes.Now i need to develope a schemr
>>96873550wtf these are real? I remember seeing something like that in dishonored 2
>>96871170>>They fought to a stalemate, and nuked the planet similtaniously.this part describes the first two succession wars accuratelyno wonder comstar hated the great houses
What was 3025 supposed to be like in the empires aflame setting since there was less lostech? Regulars using grogtech and elite units getting star league stuff? Everybody using a little star league stuff?
Would the most common non-bug mechs for mercs out of the Outworlds Alliance be older Davion and Kurita designs?
>>96874542Why do they look like that?
>>96874651Like what?
>>96874712Like BattleMechs.
>>96874780Because they battlemechs
>>96874800That was debunked.
>>96874542I strongly feel that a mono-stinger lance is boring to the point of tears. I at least recommend swapping in a different 6/9/X for the lance leader for a 3/1 split.
>>96874712All glisteny and shit, weak details, bent barrels. Makes them look cheap, are these made in china recasts?
Rolled 158, 791 = 949 (2d1000)>>96871057Ghost Rollin’
Rolled 3, 2, 5, 6 = 16 (4d6)>>96875034Spooky Skills
>>96873550>>96872813>>96872777>>96872707>least obvious normgroids pretending to be battletech fans because they saw a Tex video
>>96875047tex video?
Rolled 2, 4, 1, 4 = 11 (4d6)>>96875041Taking the chance
>>96875047Yeah, it's fairly obvious when someone is a secondary. Actual BT players don't did periphery nations interesting or their fluff compelling. It's a pretty solid bet that anyone claiming to be a periphery fan or actually maining a periphery nation is a secondary who just coasted in based on Ted vids and bad faith reddit posts by people who care more about sexual gratification than the actual game. I don't think there's ever been a real old school BT player who's accomplished anything of note who's ever actually been serious about playing periphery.
>>96875034So Weird!TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher
>>96875123Oh and (4/5), the re-roll did not help!
>>96875092>Tex>reddit>Bismirching the honor of FASA 1629>And NEAThere's so many layers to this bait. It's like a a cake.
>>96875092>Actual BT players don't did
>>96875092>Ted vids
>>96875087you went from a green 4/5 to a regular 4/5congrats on veterancy i guess
Rolled 248, 184 = 432 (2d1000)>>96871057rolling for Teddie "caveman" Diggs
Rolled 2, 6, 4, 5 = 17 (4d6)>>96875235forgot to mention he's ghosts
>>96875235>>96875034charge of the light brigade over here.
Rolled 527, 912 = 1439 (2d1000)>>96871057Last of the GhostsSteven "Wiffle" Willis
>>96874542Im jealous of how many stingers you have but a stinger brick isnt going to be that effective unless theyre bullying farmers
Rolled 5, 4, 6, 2 = 17 (4d6)>>96875302Royal Griffin 2N. Now, it's a party.
>>96875336And he's a 3/5. Rock and roll. It's gonna be a good Friday night.
We still don't have anything related to the Gothic uploaded? Like, the rulebook pdf, Shrapnel, etc
>>96875426Who's buying it?
>>96871730>it feels like its edging more towards being a card game more than anything?...Yes. I mean, I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it does get the feeling across. The point of those rules isn't to play an AeroTech game, it's to have air support in a BattleTech game. It's actually pretty similar to the "radar map" rules from AT2.
>>96875426You'd have to scan the rulebook, I think. Not sure they even have a PDF for it. The game rules are the same as AGoAC, but with a couple more weapons (Blazers, Light Blazers, hatchet), a section for Abomination rules, and a mini TRO for the new variants snd abominations.
>>96875556Oh, and scenarios. Scenario play is pretty much mandatory unless you want to use homebrewed BV values for the abominations.
>>96874016Hey, it's my art.
>Kurita Force Packs delayed till 2026.God jesus fucking christ maybe if they didn't focus on the fucking Gothic shit we would have them by now.
>>96875165>There's so many layers to this bait. It's like a a cake.But were the Typos on purpose?
>>96875614what? source?
>>96875178I know that hating Tex is a meme, but he's legitimately terrible. His knowledge of the setting is mid and I hate his style.
>>96875633Tuesday news talk.
>>96875674link to his videos?
>>96875718>I hate this guy, but let me give him views.
>>96875756Any advertising is good advertising, right, friends?
>>96875718does he do battletech videos?
Huh, the metal Griffin is fully sculpted under the LRM. Are there even any variants that don't have the shoulder launcher?
>>96875804GRF-1E2 'Sparky 2.0GRF-1E 'Sparky'GRF-1RGGRF-3RGGRF-4N
>>96875804The RG series. There are some after that but they're all Phoenix variants so don't look the same.
>>96875804the -1S puts the launcher on the opposite shoulder
Is there a way to remove waterslide decals from mechs? I switched from Defiance Industries to FPG decals and the FPG ones are so much better it’s unreal; I had to add a white background to the DI ones (see left Omen in pic) because otherwise they’d just completely blend in but the FPG ones have white backing and are also cheaper so there’s literally no reason not to go with those. Now my autism demands I match my other 40+ Snow Raven mechs with these new decals, and I really don’t want to print and paint them all over again.
>>968758043m has a much fatter toob. And the opposite torso gets a laser nipple.
>>96876124You are fucked if you sealed them. If not, you can add some decal softener, i.e. white vinegar/acetic acid.
>>96876124You can find guides online.Basically you hold a wet, slightly soapy sponge up against the decal for a while (10 minutes to 2 hours, depending on the decal). After you remove the decal, you might have to repeat a couple times to get all of the residue off.You can also use alcohol or acetone, but that will damage your paint job.
>>96876136>You are fucked if you sealed themDrat>>96876140I guess I can test run it on some old models, I’ve got several mechs that I painted early on that I went back and re-did with better technique or better sculpts. My only other plan with those was to stick them on my desk at work.
>>96876166If you sealed them, I can't guarantee my way with work either.In that case, your best bet would be to very very carefully use a q tip dipped in acetone to try and clear away the sealant first and hope you don't damage the paint job too much.
>>96876124Can you paint over the old decal and then put the new decal on?
>>96875614They'd just be fucking up the next release instead. But yeah, fuck Gothic.
Happy Halloween, /btg/
No Halloween adventure?
Why is every version of the Assassin so shit?
The original trinity of LAMs or the wobbie LAMs?
>>96877253Urbanmech LAm
>>96877253I like the WoB LAMs for sure, but the original are iconic
>>96877292but the only official minis are the redesigns and the robotech minis were made of dogshit resin and unsuitable for play
>>96877253None LAMs at all. The sooner they and everyone who likes them is kicked out of the game, the better off we are. LAMs and LAMfags are straight up cancerous.
So as near as I can tell, you can run a mech lance with all of about 11 people. 4 pilots,1 tech, and a tech team with 7 people, since Mechs only need maintenance one week a month. That's plainly retarded. What would a Mech unit with an actual logistics base look like, in a real functioning military? How many people are we looking at for a mech company? 50-60 people?
>>96877398Thats if your permanently stationed on planet as a militia unit.If you want to leave the planet you'll either need to buy a dropship or contract on out.
Let's fucking go
>>96877398>What would a Mech unit with an actual logistics base look like, in a real functioning militaryPicrel is about the best take I've seen on that topic.>>96877410FFS, I don't even mind the idea of the gay fan anothology, but that has completely crossed the line into trying too hard. Forcing everyone to write about the MOC is a total shit take.
>>968771787/11 at 40 tons is a shitty choice. The armament is shitty and inconsistent, and most of the upgrades keep that theme going.The ASN-30 is probably the best of the lot, being a Clint. Though when "being a Clint" is the best version, that's something of a condemnation.
>>96877398Note also that supply lines would be fucking impossible because of the complete lack of standardization....Except, funnily enough, in the Clans.
>>96877426>>96877426>FFS, I don't even mind the idea of the gay fan anothology, but that has completely crossed the line into trying too hard. Forcing everyone to write about the MOC is a total shit take.What, you're not excited for the cavalcade of gay trans catgirls? (^. .^)SEven though this spoils the joke, in order to help not get a ban, I want to note that this was sarcastic.
>>96877398>That's plainly retardedNot really, most of the work is done by machines, future init.
>>968773981 tech team means you're completely fucked when you have to fight more than one battle per few months. Replacing armor and ammo and limbs one section of one mech at a time is too slow.
>>96877426>infantry for base security dutygot me curious. is there security/sentry-bot, automated turret and stuffs in battletech?>and god I fucking HATE forced webp save as
>>96877398A company would have; 12 pilots, 12 techs + 72 astechs, 1 medic + 4 medtechs, at least one of each admin (4 total), and about 42 people to crew their union dropship (assuming the dropship is permanently attached and not attached separately when needed) before the actual logistics side of things gets included.
Can I pull "muhdudes' DropShip is enchanted with the Star League magic, that it is highly automated, requiring only skeleton crew for flying and reparing?"
>>96877410Shall I submit one about having to eat all the eggs?
>>96877503https://www.sarna.net/wiki/CargokingPrecisely two were built. One was destroyed, the other disappeared mysteriously.
>Nuke Canopus>Nuke the clans>Restore ComStar>Make Davion Great again
>>96877473>is there security/sentry-bot, automated turret and stuffs in battletech?Yes there is. They aren't that good before you ask and tend to be rare.
>>96877299>but the only official minis are the redesignsUnseen never stopped being official minis.
>>96877473>This man hasn't cracked open the OG Kell Hounds book.Get on that.
>>96877426MAXIMUM OVERLOGISTICS
I like the Zeus.
>>96877595No such thing
>>96877503You can do that with regular DS. There's cost rules for reducing crew with automation even in 3025. How low you can get the crew varies by craft type.
>>96877299The Unseen never stopped being official minis. TPTB just told demo team to stop using them.
>>96877426I'd like to see a post like that but done for organic support elements for a mech company/battalion. Or do they not get organic scout, engineer, artillery, etc support elements?
>>96877620>Or do they not get organic scout, engineer, artillery, etc support elements?No, they don't, really. That's not a thing I'm Battletech. A Mech battalion is its own organization, and if it needs an engineering or artillery support unit, it pulls a battery from the artillery company, or it pulls an engineer platoon. They aren't organic, is the main point, therefore they'd maintain separate orders of battle from the Mech unit itself.>there's a few combined arms formations, but they are the exception and not the rule
>King Crab, Kraken, Turkina, etcFor Blake's sake they really gotta make at least some mechs detachable from the base like they do with jumping mechs
Videogame question, I'd ask on /v/ but I doubt anyone plays this game anymore, let alone know enough about the setting.>In urban settings, the battlemechs seem to just crash straight out of the sky. I read about drop pods on the wiki, but how common is it to deploy mechs this way? Are they dropped from the atmosphere?>There seem to be cars everywhere do city slickers in the setting just accept that they'll die to invisible lasers and scattered missiles when mechs start dropping? Are there publicly accessible bomb shelters israel style?
>>96877720>Article V explicitly disavowed combat in cities - unless a military target was within the city - and against civilian targets.
>>96877720>firing battleship-grade weapons>in a cityThe Videya take pains to not properly model the property damage that would cause. Never mind that streets ect are scaled up to make playing city maps fun. If you'd keep things at car scale, the game would turn into a SWAT simulator.
>>96877720The BattleTech equivalent of the Geneva Conventions is called the Ares Conventions.Article V generally prohibits combat in cities.The major powers of the setting by and large abided by the Ares Conventions for nearly 400 years and they are associated with the setting’s golden age and their demise is associated with the end of that golden age.This is just to give you a sense that in BattleTech, fighting in cities is at least morally if not legally a kind of war crime.
>>96877651Drop pods are a thing and can be dropped from atmosphere but use is rare cause because in scenarios where it is used its a SHTF type stuff.Civilian shelters do exist but typically fights inside cities that have not been evacuated before hand are super rare by late succession wars.
>>96877720High altitude insertion or "Hot drops" are common often necessary in the opening phase of an invasion before landing zones for dropships are secure or the terrain makes landing impossible. Every mech bay is said to contain equipment and resources necessary to perform such a drop.Of course landing a dropship and walking out of it is preferable since hot dropped mechs can get damaged during landing or overshoot the drop zone entirely and miss the battle.
>>96877720In addition to what has already been said, battlemechs don't drop in hard shells like shown in HBS BT game.The pod or cocoon falls apart before landing and the mech is free to shoot before it hits the ground.Final deceleration is made either by the mechs own jumpjets or by a single use jump pack that is discarded after landing.
>>96877437>7/11 at 40 tons is a shitty choice. The armament is shitty and inconsistent, and most of the upgrades keep that theme going.The theme of shit loadouts is the problem. Look at the ASN-99 variant that wastes tonnage on a sword. At least the ASN-109 isn't that bad.>>96877410I remember when the movement was largely about getting the ability to get married for the legal benefits and that people shouldn't judge what happens in the privacy of the bedroom.
>>96877770>property damageDoes that mean that civvies living in Battletech land can actually sue someone and receive compensation if a robot stomps on their car?>>96877794I'm assuming the drop animation is just used by default for urban stages. I doubt drop cocoons are something an outfit in drowning in debt could afford.>>96877788Do shelters actually work against mechs? Purely from a collateral perspective of course.Also, how deadly is urban mech combat for civs? I'm only reading what's easily available from google search, but I read that enlisted infantry is basically street samurai tier levels of augmentation. IIRC The shadow of kerensky dlc have the clanners raging at the inner sphere factions because they have committed to total war against the clanners and they're being forced to fight in population centers where they get ukraine'd because some houses are arming civs.
>>96877299>the robotech minis were made of dogshit resin and unsuitable for playEh, they're fine.
>>96877866>but I read that enlisted infantry is basically street samurai tier levels of augmentationAbsolutely not. Any significant augmentation is the kind of thing you would only see for special forces and the like. The only major user of augmented infantry was the Word of Blake, and even then that was just in the Shadow Divisions which were their fanatical elite.
>>96877720BattleMechs try to avoid urban warfare because they become very vulnerable to fucking infantry.
>>96877866>enlisted infantry is basically street samurai tier levels of augmentation.Naw. Augmention is mostly only for extremely special forces. PBIs are just normal dudes with guns.Clanners have a tendency to completely wreck cities they fight in. Even the Wolves do such a number on Rasalhague's capital city that an entire neighborhood is written off.
>>96877866>Does that mean that civvies living in Battletech land can actually sue someone and receive compensation if a robot stomps on their car? Technically yes but good luck getting the license and reg of that mech. There has been compensation paid out though in past for collateral damage.>I'm assuming the drop animation is just used by default for urban stages. I doubt drop cocoons are something an outfit in drowning in debt could afford.Generally it would be used by a major military performing a planetary invasion, so a Great House over a mercenary unless said mercs were be subsidized by the Houses to do such an operation.>Do shelters actually work against mechs? Purely from a collateral perspective of course.They are often resistant against nukes but doesn't mean they'll stand up to bombardment. Some are so old and badly maintained that whenever civs do take shelter in them they end up trapped and suffocating to death.>I read that enlisted infantry is basically street samurai tier levels of augmentation.That's Jihad levels of tech for most part and not really for basic infantry. Even still, infantry in built up areas is not something you want to fuck with even in a 10m+ 100 ton mech. If you are in a situation where you are fighting infantry in built up areas you a) fucked up and b) are in for a bloodbath.
How exaggerated is the internal space of the Leopard depicted in the MW5?
>>96878158It manages to be both larger and smaller than what it should be.
Post spooky mechs!
>>96878290
Making a custom mech for my club event (one per person, up to ilClan), want to do a real fast jumper that's reminiscent of LAMs and got 12 tons and 5 critical slots left after all the jump jets and partial wing installed. Tips? Don't want to overdo it with a pulse boat but I'm thinking about putting at least a LPL or a snubnose PPC into the CT (I love chest beam cannons) or taking the risk and storing the ammo there and and filling out the other slots with machine guns.
>>968774377/11 at 40 tons is the optimal choice, the problem is none of the variants are "Jenner-D with armor"
>>96877717All mechs can be detached from the base if you use a fine kerf saw.
>>96877673Combined arms mostly seems to happen at the regimental level for professional militaries. At lower levels it's completely ad hoc.
Rolled 3, 1, 3, 5 = 12 (4d6)>>96871057Fug it. If there's still time rolling for comstar.Adept Dave. No surname, atleast not that anyone remembers. He's just dave. Kind of easily overlooked. He's always been with the unit, right?
Rolled 735, 803 = 1538 (2d1000)>>96878638
>>96878638>>96878651So, I'm a 5/6 in a heavy of some sort. Can't check as I'm phone posting.
Anyone know what type of light mechs House Davion uses? trying to make a Fedrat lance for the 4th Sucession war and wanted something unique to them.
>>96878710valkyries and javelins
>>96878710Valkyrie and Javelin are traditional Fedsuns light mechs that are heavily associated with them. They obviously have the 20-tonner trio everybody uses, and likely a decent amount of salvaged Drac Panthers and Jenners as well. Valk + Javelin + 2 generic lights (or 1 light and a fast medium like a Phoenix Hawk) would be a very Davion-coded lance.
>>96878758>>96878751I already like javelins so ill use one of them along with a valkyrie. ill probably thow in a Locust and Pheonix hawk to finish off the lance. Cheers for the help
>>96878657CRD-2R crusader if you rolled comstar. GHR-5H if you rolled pirates.
>>96871057>>96871065So this is how it stands at moment. Its looking less and less likely will be able to do this tonight as might not be back in time so likely be this weekend.Ghosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4DV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5MON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5FullGhouls (Pirates)WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4Vedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson.4/4Vedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/52 slots - if no takers will just roll myself and make them vehicles.>>96878638>>96878651>>96878657You missed the cutoff for Ghosts unfortunately.
>>96877426>Forcing everyone to write about the MOC is a total shit take.Have to agree, they're pigeon holing Canopus with its sex tourism and that makes the whole thing look more like a fetish than representation.>>96877506>Shall I submit one about having to eat all the eggs?Yes.>>96878170>It manages to be both larger and smaller than what it should be....Are Leopards just crappy TARDIS?
>>96878929Manticore if he wants a tank.
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>>96878935Instead of filling up multiple threads with this stuff, could you please try to keep it to one thread? Ie. post it immediately after OP and then once the thread is archived do the remaining rolls yourself?Thanks.
>>96878986That's honestly what I plan to do in future. This one hasn't been the best organized if I admit.
Anyone playing the battletech this weekend?
>>96878942>they're pigeon holing Canopus with its sex tourismYeah, imagine if you wanted to make a story about big busty lesbians piloting agromechs in the Outworlds Alliance? You could get a few chapters about ploughing and planting seeds alone!
>>96877779The golden age actually kicked off by discarding the Ares Conventions. Only the FWL and sort of kind of Canopus (only because they were facing the FWL and didn't want to be on the ass end of an Ares-free FWL invasion) kept abiding by them during the Reunification War.
>>96879084That was a war where a spanking was involved. Literally.
>>96879069>Anyone playing the battletech this weekend?I thought I might end up participating in a Mini-Con Spooky Battletech event, but it turns out we're having a big family thing that day.>>96879076>You could get a few chapters about ploughing and planting seeds alone!...Are we talking innuendo or actual farming?Because the former will run thin real quick while the latter will take some serious world building to fill out several chapters.
I've got to wonder about the 1st SLDF's Operation EXODUS: was Alexander Kerensky familiar with both the Axumite Providence and the Union of Samoyed Colonies? How much would have changed had he opted to take those in the SLDF willing to follow him in their Exodus to the aforementioned nation-states instead of being vague about where they were to go?
>>96878942>Are Leopards just crappy TARDIS?Kind of. They're basically a box with wings. PGI's version gives a bit too much internal volume to the mechbays but then their mech models are legit too big anyway to begin which also fucks with scaling. The reason why it is also undersized is that PGI forgot that the very front two bays are for aerospace fighters and their design doesn't really take into account space for them. Even if most Leopards repurpose this section for cargo in fluff there is no visual indicator of there ever having being space for these in its interior model.See pic related and count the doors to get an idea why PGI model is wrong.>>96879100>...Are we talking innuendo or actual farming?Considering the audience I'd expect nothing short of a full detailed chapters describing the full ins and out of farming using Succession War era industrial mechs. Frankly I think a Battletech farming book would be comfy.
>>96878935Comstar is going to destroy the pirates. Just look at the tech advantage, don't even have to look at the BV.
>>96879173I don't think those are far enough away for Kerensky or really worth stopping at.
>>96878935Seriously the best Comstar managed to send was a couple of Royal Griffins And the pirates have a Warhammer and a Zeus, I got this was not supposed to be balanced but it's not balanced for the RobesGonna be fun
>>96879307First of, would the Great Houser Fiefdoms/Successor States even bother pursuing the Pro-Exodus SLDF faction there, and second, if Kerensky wanted to prepare for the distant possibility of rebuilding the Star League, wouldn't using the Axumite and Samoyed governments as a nucleus have been better?
>>96877720I assume all the cars are abandoned, since you never see them move.
>>96879318They also have two Vedettes and a Goblin in slots that could have been mechs.
>>96876010You know, I'm surprised they haven't done a 1S in the new line of minis yet. There's the regular, the Royal with the dual missile drums and for some reason the obscure Marik version with the tiny laser on the left side of its chest.
>>96879323The Auxumite and Samoyed (especially Samoyed) governments aren't exactly bastions of star league ideals and searching for the exodus is a pastime of many. They'll be found by the inner sphere probably within a year of arriving, if not when they break out into a civil war and all the people who wanted to go back but had no hope of doing so out in the clan worlds... just go back, it's right there.
>>96879184That slit above the front landing gear in the official art could be a hangar door for a fighter, though it looks a bit small.
>>96879385In front of the landing gear, I mean.
>>96877426>Writing about a nation thats full Matriarch who probably sneers at Trans Women for being fake women.IDK men seems weird.
>>96879084The powers had abided by the Ares Conventions for over a century and a half before Star League disregarded them to stamp its boot on Periphery necks. I think it’s important to remember that the Star League amounts to a golden age in contrast to the Succession Wars — in other words, in the minds of the Great Houses and ComStar.For the Peeiphery? Yeah, not so much.
>>96879385>>96879391Could be but the interior nor 3D model matches that. That front bit is a thruster. and the space taken up inside would mean that even your average Taurian would struggle to squeeze in those gaps.
>>96879541The late age of war wasn't a golden age by any metric. It was basically another slump like the late succ, but without the loss of technology. It was safer for civilians, but they weren't advancing in any meaningful ways.
>>96879368Okay, if not the Axumites and Samoyeds, why not the Jarnfolk governments and whatever government is in Alfirk? Like I asked, would the Great House Fiefdoms/Successor States still pursue the Pro-Exodus SLDF faction there?Also, on setting shop there, surely Kerensky could have cut a deal with those in Alfirk and in the Jarnfolk worlds where in exchange for whatever they need, Kerensky would have to not only offer security but also compliance to local laws in that part of space (after all, did he not launch the Exodus because he didn't want to turn on the Great Houses)?
>>96878935>You missed the cutoff for Ghosts unfortunately.Make me a pirate then laddy.
>>96879643The Jarnfolk are less than 3 months away from the Dracs. It takes over a year to reach the clan homeworlds. Too close. Also, there's a pretty decent chance the exodus completely outnumbers them. Kerensky does not need dinky little pre-hegemony primitive space governments that have never even heard of the star league, and the last thing he wants is to have to occupy another periphery realm full of wacky insurgents who don't appreciate being descended upon by a foreign military like locusts. Doing it within spitting distance of the Inner Sphere is doubly bad.
Too bad Kerensky and the Exodus didn't stumble upon the Tanite worlds.
>>96879810The Jarnfolk in particular would be a nightmare to occupy. They're all armed with high quality weapons and culturally they're willing to kill over relatively minor slights. Occupying them would be a long series of officers and patrol leaders being sniped in the back of the head from down the block every time they step out in public because the so and so family have declared a blood fued with the entire SLDF after their uncle was shot dead trying to reach Kerensky for an honor duel.
>>96879184>Considering the audience I'd expect nothing short of a full detailed chapters describing the full ins and out of farming using Succession War era industrial mechs. Frankly I think a Battletech farming book would be comfy.Wholeheartedly agree, I'm honestly disappointed that the best FarmTech gives us is "Combine Head," like, what KIND of Combine Head?!There are special types for specific crops, and that's only the harvesting part of a Combine's jobs!Plus that's for row crops, which are usually happiest on broad plains you don't really need legs for.How can I design my fake Clan of busty Lesbians when I can't think of a reason they'd need Omnimechs for Farm and Battle?!
>>96879971That kind.
>>96880002That thing is exactly like a modern combine, but worse because of the legs being spaced wider than the pickup header.
>>96877866A small laser will probably cut straight through your MacMansion and an Autocannon going off in your street's going to shatter half the windows in the block.Your car's your least concern.
>>96879971Are you the same 'complaining about detasseling anon' or do we just have a lot of farmers ITT?
>>96878942>...Are Leopards just crappy TARDIS?All internal space in BT is hammer space.
>>96880106Star league physicists discovered that you can simply divide the cube root of the area by a star league ton and the waveform collapses so you only have to worry about mass. Outside observers may be baffled by your ability to fit a ton of feathers and a ton of bricks in the same space without even involving such primitive concepts as "compression" or "surface area", but that's just because they're using outdated physics.
>>96879810>>96879963So fucking cringe. These super special snowflakes would be the ones getting put down with mechs or outright orbital bombardment if the clans or dracs wanted them gone. Neither of them are very squeamish about racking up war crimes as a hobby.
>>96880002>>96880018>That thing is exactly like a modern combine, but worse because of the legs being spaced wider than the pickup header.Yeah, the only actual improvement is those presumably collapsible containers, and even that is suspect due to being filled with what looks like a blower hose and being way too close together for their volume...>>96880099>Are you the same 'complaining about detasseling anon'I mean I am...>or do we just have a lot of farmers ITT?But we have at least two or three other Farm Anons.
>>96880164We're talking about the SLDF-in-exile trying to find a place to stop. Kerensky is in no condition to occupy yet another periphery shithole. His troops would probably mutiny over the idea.
>>96880164>people who only have dropships, jumpships, and infantry weapons would lose to orbital bombardmentsWow, I never thought of it that way! You're so smart.
The clans would probably enjoy trying to occupy the Jarnfolk. They're down to clown with honor duels and highly stratified social norms. They might get a little annoyed that they're constantly bidding down to "1v1 pistols from ten paces", but at least they're not wandering into ambushes and dropships packed with high explosives.
>>96880220Lazerpig recently did a semi related video on that subject:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdBgK9AGw2s
Is this supposed to represent the paint scheme for Wolf's new Omega Galaxy - what was once Wolf-in-Exile? Is there any more detail on it or confirmation?
>>96880449Last I checked, there's no real information on Wolf-No-Longer-In-Exile beyond them being brought back into the clan.
>>96879445I think officially they're "transmed", where they'll recognize trans people as their preferred gender once they're far enough along with hormones and surgery, but in practice that's never enough for some feminists, innit?
>>96880525My main concern with the whole thing is that an underclass merely claiming they're actually part of the upper class has never mattered anywhere or anywhen else. There's social and legal power on the line, and if the line was that weak, it wouldn't exist in the first place.
>>96879545Based on the interior in MW5 there could be room for a separate fighter bay inside the prow, although I don't see how that would open. Maybe a hatch on the bottom, though not being able to get them in and out on the ground seems a bit silly.
>>96880535>Mutilate your genitals for a chance at a top leadership position you'd probably face a huge amount of opposition for and likely never be fully accepted even if you somehow got inHonestly, I think it fits about right, all things considered.
>>96880552One of the many downsides of the Leopard is that the only internal access between bays is a human sized door, so you'd never see the ASF or general cargo stuff when standing in the mech bay. The only way to transfer large parts or units between bays is to spacewalk.
>>96879545BUILT FOR DAVIONS.A lot of Davions, holy shit, why are there so many Davions in there?
>>96880535Nah, they're likely to be TERFs. Plus, folks in BT don't look kindly upon Transhumanism in general.
I like bricks too.
>>96872686Davions are French
>>96877720>>96877744>>96877779in the original books they fight in cities anyway
>>96880849The Ares Conventions haven't been observed by anyone in living memory by the time of those books. It's an ideal that they all say they wish they still followed, but it was killed to kick off the Reunification Wars and never brought back. Sometimes its rules are still observed, but it's always strictly voluntary because nobody is bound to it.
>>96880841Considering that they keep stealing mech factories, they clearly got the spirit of the British Museum in their blood.
>>96880525>I think officially they're "transmed", where they'll recognize trans people as their preferred gender once they're far enough along with hormones and surgery, but in practice that's never enough for some feminists, innit?Yeah, at the very least this stands as a point of pride in Canopian Medical Tech that they can make you a completely functional member of the opposite gender, but that wouldn't stop political mudslinging.
>>96881048>Yeah, at the very least this stands as a point of pride in Canopian Medical Tech that they can make you a completely functional member of the opposite gender, but that wouldn't stop political mudslinging.Do they really have that tech? It sounds too advanced for a setting like Battletech.
>>96881123>Do they really have that tech? It sounds too advanced for a setting like Battletech.The Clans developed Iron Wombs, the technology to grow fetuses entirely in-vitro.Cloning and grafting a functional womb into a body isn't far off from that.
>>96881123They've consistently had the best medical tech (at least as good as the best anywhere else) and genetic engineering and cybernetics are old tech. The star league was creating populations with altered biology to survive alien worlds. Even the diminished tech of the late succession wars still had average people living a good ten+ years longer than modern medicine does. With a big enough budget, you can go a long, long way. False Thomas passed invasive biometric comparisons to Real Thomas.
>>96881167>False Thomas passed invasive biometric comparisons to Real Thomas.Hell that's actually more impressive, as it implies they replaced False Thomas genes with Real Thomas'!
>>96881196Actually, it's never clear which Thomas is involved with what where, so it might have just been actual Thomas when they did the genetic test. But nobody ever caught on to False Thomas at all. He came clean on his own after decades of being Thomas.Also it could be as simple as Comstar intercepting and replacing the samples or results from the lab, they were all-in on the deception.
>>96881167The caveat on big budgets is that the only two kinds of big budgets we ever see are either the government backing on a grand scale (star league colonists, clan trueborn, Canopian showgirl industry), or blank check black ops with operators operating operationally in environments where you either win or die.
>>96877426>Forcing everyone to write about the MOC is a total shit takeHonestly, I have to agree. It's trying too hard. Immensely disappointing that they can't let stories happen organically, but forcing it because they didn't get their quota in previous years is just poor form. I'd rather see nothing about the MoC rather than forced takes.
>>96880552>though not being able to get them in and out on the ground seems a bit silly.IIRC another DropShip (the Hamilcar?) explicitly says that the ASFs can only be moved on the ground with cranes.It's not that weird desu.
>>96880841They're *nglo-Fr*nch.>>96880981I fucking hate this meme. The British didn't fucking invent taking shit from being they conquered. "Loot" is a Hindi loanword.
>>96881153We know that the Star League didn't have organ-growing technology (it's mentioned when discussing how the Clans do).
>>96881235>Actually, it's never clear which Thomas is involved with what where, so it might have just been actual Thomas when they did the genetic test.>Also it could be as simple as Comstar intercepting and replacing the samples or results from the lab, they were all-in on the deception.Eh, even as a shell game switcheroo that'd be difficult to pull off; ComStar would need to be ready for ANY genetic test at any time and falsify the results at least enough that False Thomas had the necessary genetic markers of the Marik line, least another intelligence agency bothers to check a stray hair or skin flake.>>96881464>We know that the Star League didn't have organ-growing technology (it's mentioned when discussing how the Clans do).Fair enough, but that shit is going to get disseminated pretty damn fast.It's actually the bigger application for Iron Wombs than growing full fetuses, since Sibco's aren't decanted fully mature anyways.
>>96881452>I fucking hate this meme.You mean you don't want to see ancient ruins turned into graffiti covered garbage dumps, raided for stone building materials, or outright deliberately destroyed with bombs for religious reasons? How barbarically chauvinist of you.
>>96880185You are not a "farm anon" manic.
>>96881167>The star league was creating populations with altered biology to survive alien worlds.There's a difference between continuous minor alterations of existing people over generations or large scale modifications of embryos and actually turning a man into a woman with everything that entails. Your talking about making massive changes to numerous organs and changes to the muscular system and skeleton structure in addition to adding entirely new organs, not replacing existing or missing ones like a lost eye, such as the vagina, womb, etc. If they can do that then they should also have the capabilites to be making scifi super soldiers or having the nobility and other wealthy elites spending thier money becoming super humans.
>>96881595Farm enough, they specifically mentioned Detasseling.>>96881773>Your talking about making massive changes to numerous organs and changes to the muscular system and skeleton structure in addition to adding entirely new organsIt doesn't have to be that extensive; Yes it'd be an impressive feat to transplant a functional womb, but that's doable.
>>96881841Yeah and he specifically mentioned previously that his "farming experience" involves his Grandfather selling the family farm before he existed, spending a few hours one year shovelling chicken shit for his aunty or such and riding the fucking schoolbus with farmboys.
>>96881497>Fair enough, but that shit is going to get disseminated pretty damn fast.Apparently not. As of AToW (which I think is roughly 3067) it's still a Clan exclusive.
>>96881865The clans don't even like using their organ cloning tech, cybernetics get similar results much, much faster.
>>96881859>spending a few hours one year shovelling chicken shit for his auntyIt was three to four years on our own homestead, I might not have raised anything larger than Market Ducks, but 75 "Special Market Broilers" do nothing but eat and shit.And that's 75 birds (it's suppose to be 50, but they mail you an extra 25 to be safe) per exhibitor, meaning my sister and I had 150 of the damn things to clean up after.>>96881865>>96881874And the setting was irritatingly slower disseminating Clan Weapons Tech...
>>96881773>There's a difference between continuous minor alterations of existing people over generations or large scale modifications of embryos and actually turning a man into a woman with everything that entails.They turned motherfuckers into fish people.
>>96882002>They turned motherfuckers into fish people.As I said there's a difference between modifying human embryos into fish people, which is probably how they did it, and changing an existing man into a woman and all that entails
>>96882062>all that entailsBut that's just a matter of Criteria, BattleTech and the REAL WORLD have XY "biological" females.
>>96882147Not him but I think you mean XXY. It's usually the trisonomy that fucks things, and you usually wind up with androgyny and hormone problems and brittle bones, and basically all the stuff naturally that puberty blockers cause artificially. That's less being a woman, and more never really developing during puberty.Having a Y at all makes you male. But maybe you mean mosaicism?I do find it kind of funny that these issues always cause the symptoms listed, but people still argue it. Like, you're not going to get a natural fat-tittied goddess with strong birthing hips instead of an androgynous blob no matter the technicalities. The hormones are just too fucked.
>>96877410Do trap and futa count as LGBTQ+?>sad that fluffwise thr Clan Elemental futa will be impossible
>>96882062>>96882147are we gonna be weird about trannies this thread?
>>96882207I want whatever Halloween special product is out. I have been busting my ass all day; it's supposed to be an Herb special, and I hope it's half-as-good as Ghosts of Obeedah.Also, when the fuck is the megamek thread match? Tomorrow? It was called a Halloween match so I figured it was today and we're arguing gene expression instead.
>>96882207The only way you'd construe reiterating basic biology as being "weird' about trannies is if you were a tranny, troon.
>>96882203>>96882203There's conditions that cause XY people to develop as women. Mutations in the proteins that detect androgens ("male hormones") cause a spectrum of disorders ranging from slightly androgynous men to being fully female in every way but genetically, with the primary differences from XX women being reduced body hair and irregular periods. Oh, and they have testicles instead of ovaries, but they're internal.In the modern day, women normally learn that they're XY when they have trouble conceiving and see a fertility specialist, or if an abdominal or pelvic ultrasound for something else picks up their testicles for some reason.Fun fact: because they still make testosterone but never use it, it all gets converted to estrogen so they tend to have larger breasts, fuller hips, and softer skin. Also they tend to be a little taller and longer-limbed than average, and have reduced body hair...What I'm saying is that they tend to be hot.
>>96877410A story that is the retelling of the Key and Peele "Homophobe" skit, but a Tranny with a pride-flag mech applying to join a merc unit. The punchline is the main point though.https://youtu.be/e3h6es6zh1c?si=2ViWtj7I0mbs0uOD
Watching the Animated Series for the first time in about 30 years, and I forgot that "You dare refuse my batchall?" is actually in the first 30 seconds of the first episode.
>>96882391I think I watched House MD episode about it
>>96882452Jamie Lee Curtis has it.
How much would have changed if the Clan bothered to explain the Trial of Possession, batchall and the biddinh process before invading a planet?
>>96882480The IS would have been more successful. Almost all of their pre-Tukayyid successes came from gaming the bidding system.
>>96882448Oh man, the marine officer spewing gratuitous Japanese phrases in an obviously insulting manner as he boards the Katana is amazing. I honestly don't think I've seen a better example of casual racism on TV ever.
>>96882526>I honestly don't think I've seen a better example of casual racism on TV ever.Do you not normally watch tv from before 2000?
>>96882203>Like, you're not going to get a natural fat-tittied goddess with strong birthing hips instead of an androgynous blob no matter the technicalities. The hormones are just too fucked.>>96882391>Fun fact: because they still make testosterone but never use it, it all gets converted to estrogen so they tend to have larger breasts, fuller hips, and softer skin. Also they tend to be a little taller and longer-limbed than average, and have reduced body hair...Yeah, so transplanting functional bits is likely within Star League Medical capabilities, and even XY Females today can have a vestigial uterus that can gestate an infant with assistance.>>96882480>>96882481>The IS would have been more successful.Yeah, it would also negate the Clan's biggest advantage of having Warships.
>>96882560It's not as good as this, trust me.
>>96878472>jumpy pulse boat custom #570825018273087235088798437098102398709475309870245678741658765319764507463509735609145609845601795607436987456093486985163409560384560261502650276507456017560971625097620395846092871650786403560923835609865072365078436089521508251068965893235608296580471635987345097860913427657892461982756908365746501746507146386591820851956407560197546071569826350795607465765012765023951928763095823659k.
>>96871764This is going to be aerotech going forward, cgl have bo desire to support anything else. New space battles will use a similar ruleset to leviathans
>>96882584It's basically the only alternate playstyle battletech has. This is what you get when 90% of the game is just dialing stats up and down and all the alternate units types suck. More armor and less heatsinks, or less heatsinks and more armor? The choice is yours!
>>96882206>Do trap and futa count as LGBTQ+?Only if they're hot
>>96882464JLC is clearly ugly with a manface, so being genetically fucked up does track. I'd believe with those shoulders and that face, JLC was born male and forcibly feminized by the Hollywood cabal fr a young age.
>>96882918>Insert the Arnold Schwarzenegger meme.hpg
Played my first game of Alpha Strike tonight with a buddy, also his first time. Fun as hell, pretty easy to learn and super fast.>My LanceThunderboltGrasshopperShadow HawkLocust>Buddy's lanceBattlemasterCatapultWolverineCommandoI got an early lead by taking out his Commando and tried to trade my Locust for getting his Catapult in an open position but his Battlemaster and his Wolverine charged my Thunderbolt and Shadow Hawk respectively, and we didn't know how melee and movement worked so we just slugged it out there while my Grasshopper chased his Catapult. I lost those melees though so it was Grasshopper vs the rest of his lance by the time I lost, but those three mechs had seven structure between them.
>>96882918>2/10 wouldn't bangBut also>was born male and forcibly feminized by the Hollywood cabal fr a young age.Hollywood isn't the Clans, they don't possess the capability to engineer hormone insensitivity into someone.
>>96882464Seems like it's just another of those weird celebrity rumors. It's not impossible, but personally I kinda doubt it.
>>96883050Thunderbolts are my favorite.
Who's the BT tubers?I got background noise to fill.
>>96882206>futa ElementalWouldn't it be possible if it was a freeborn? Or will they cut the dick off when it go into sibko?
>Dad used to be into MechWarrior on PC, played with a sidewinder stick was pretty cool>decide to check it out later in life to see what drew him in>look inside general thread, should be great insight here among fans>...
>>96882147>But that's just a matter of Criteria, BattleTech and the REAL WORLD have XY "biological" females.Those still largely develop as female from the womb on. Turning a 25 year old man into a woman involves changing his DNA, changing his entire existing skeletal structure into that of a woman, changing his muscular system to both fit the new skeletal structure and to reflect being female, changing all his internal organs to both fit the new body but also change them into the female versions when necessary, and growing then attaching fully functional female sexual organs to a body that has never possessed them. That shit sounds beyond what Battletech science can do. What's funny is that Gothic would probably have this tech but not mainline Battletech.
>>96883499Wouldn't brain transplant be easier at that point?>Can they do it in BT? Actually kinda curious
Oh no, the entire thread is infected and will have to be purged.
>>96883505>Wouldn't brain transplant be easier at that point?Yes. In fact if Battletech science can do actual true sex changes then it should be able to deage people. Perhaps not the brain but it should be able to essentially turn the rest of a 90 year old's body into that of a teenager. It would also allow for perfect cosmetic surgery. Want to go from five foot nothing to six and a half feet with really broad masculine shoulders and a foot long cock? Would be doable.
>>96883486What game has good fans?It's your fault for having stupid expectations.
>>96883392Sven van der Plank has some longer lore videos that are not just sarna or a book reading.
>>96880449That explosion looks like a giant hermit crab.
>>96883486>go on 4chan>expect to see normal peopleI think I have identified the mistake you made
>>96881452>"Loot" is a Hindi loanword.I was making a point about Albion criminality, yes.
>two clan uac/20's with a targetting computer on a 60t
>>96883529I'm sure someone can. But the correct question is why would they? In a galaxy of rumors, I'd probably say I can do it, then just take your credits, kill you, and pay some lowlife a tenth of what I charged you to claim to be you somewhere.
>>96875674Cry more you filthy fucking clanner faggot.
>>96883596Those poor Indians were so traumatized by the British taking their stuff that they invented a word just for that ;_;
>>96883605They're just asking you to scoop their brain out. There's probably no oversight for something like that.
>>96883499>Turning a 25 year old man into a woman involves changing his DNADoes it?>That shit sounds beyond what Battletech science can do.Because I could totally see all that being done with modified Iron Womb technology, and even just preserved Star League Medical Knowledge could probably make a functional sex organ transplant take.
Any suggestions for 3025 downgrade for the Dragoon? Kinda want the Periphery pirate dudes to have one>there gotta be RWR cache somewhere as well, r...right?
>>96883774nta but why do you want this to be a thing so badly
>>96883774>Because I could totally see all that being done with modified Iron Womb technology, and even just preserved Star League Medical Knowledge could probably make a functional sex organ transplant take.There's a difference between growing a transplant organ to replace a missing or damaged organ the body already had and growing an entirely new organ and grafting it to a body and expecting the body to perfectly accept it. And again even if you give a man a vagina he's still going to look like a man unless you do major body reshaping. If you want this so badly then you're going to have accept all the other logical uses of this tech. All the memes about Canopian monstergirls are canon now. Turning a regular human into a catgirl, centaur, mermaid, etc. are all possible. Giving someone extra arms? Done.>>96883799>nta but why do you want this to be a thing so badlyProbably the belief that pandering matters above all else.
>>96883829Some of those are already canon through the ATOW Mutation trait
>>968837993/5/3 sfe, 2ac10 with 2 tonnes of ammo, a PPC and 10 shs. Use the spare half tonne for extra armour.Alternatively drop the PPC to a LL, and get 12 SHS
>>96883799The RWR was playing a lot of shell games with its production and equipment all through the war, and I bet there were SLDF guys who were pretty tired of Krensky's shit even before he started ordering grand purges of designs. You could easily justify some dragoons surviving. If it really got stripped of all the advanced equipment, it probably ends up with the armaments of one of the introtech cataphracts
>>968839033/5/3 is slow for a70 tonner. I suspect they'd just drop one of the ACs. You could downgrade them to AC/5 but then you have paper-thin armor.
>>96883908At the same time it was designed by Amaris himself so the stigma of it would outweigh any negative feelings the SLDF techs would harbour
>>96883931>ok men, it's October 1945. Everyone melt down the STG-44s you have. We are likely going to war again very soon, and those weapons have seen you through heavy fighting, but it's important we prevent the people in the future from examining this cool innovation, because a delusional, dead asshole took credit for it.
>>96883959Of course. Hugo Schemeisser was worse than Hitler
>>96883829>If you want this so badly then you're going to have accept all the other logical uses of this tech. All the memes about Canopian monstergirls are canon now. Turning a regular human into a catgirl, centaur, mermaid, etc. are all possible.That's been canon since, IIRC the original Major Periphery States book, definitely since the Periphery Handbook. It's cybernetics instead of biotech, but still.
>>96879971You know I'd legit think CGL doing a Farmertech book would be both entertaining and well received. Aside from it tickling that brand of autism anons enjoy farmers legit have it rough in real life and doing it in a way that shows support for them would be nice.>>96880841They're Normans to be accurate.>>96882448>"You dare refuse my batchall?" is actually in the first 30 seconds of the first episode.Its kind of like Star Trek Voyager, most of the memes are in the very first season and nobody really remembers the rest of the show.
>>968837994/6/411 heat sinks 12t of armor2 AC5 and PPCSounds in line with 3025, aka shit
Did Gothic actually sell well? I recall hearing it was supposed to be the first of multiple else world boxes, and while I don't care for not-40k, I'd like to see what they could come up with if they did a Shadowrun crossover box.
>>96871057>>96878935Okay entries are closed and this is how things stand.Ghosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4DV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5MON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5BV = 13,900 Unmodified BV = 12499 Tonnage = 505 Ghouls (Pirates)WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4Vedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson.4/4Vedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5Manticore Dave 4/5 - You didn't specify tank or mech so went with tank and bumped your skills up accordingly.SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3 - Did manual rolls for this 827, 492, 5, 4, 3, 6 were the results.BV = 12,046 Unmodified BV = 10494 Tonnage = 635Going to do a few more checks to make sure I got everything setup right and then will start likely in an hour or two. Not the best organized one I've done but not the most imbalanced.
>>96880136>>96880106Keep loading that ammo!
>>96884341>Did Gothic actually sell well?I think Herb said it sold enough for them to do the monster box they planned and presumably to do the other alt universe boxes. As for a Shadowrun crossover or inspired box we'll have to see. The planned boxes we know of are an old style scifi universe inspired by Flash Gorden and similar style old pulp scifi, an anime inspired one that's rumored to be focused on the Clans and LAMs, and a steam punk one.
>>96884341From the grapevine not a lot. CGL lies constantly and anything from their mouths should not be trusted, so we'll never have good data bar word of mouth.>>96884429I'm honestly here hoping the entire thing crashes and burns so I can get Civil War and Jihad era plastics. It's like they don't want my money, I'm kinda tired to have to 3d print everything.
If what the HBStech/MW5 MC lance pulls off each mission has actually happened, how should they be treated in universe/how famous would they be? 'WD and BH can suck my ass' level?
>>96884373Right starting. Deployment phase up. Things already off to a good start as the map generated a literal fucking dick lake next to the Wyvern.
>>96883800>nta but why do you want this to be a thing so badlyMostly because this fucker's definition of a "Woman" is so damn anal that actual women wouldn't qualify.>>96883829>If you want this so badly then you're going to have accept all the other logical uses of this tech. All the memes about Canopian monstergirls are canon now. Turning a regular human into a catgirl, centaur, mermaid, etc. are all possible. Giving someone extra arms? Done.Yay!>>96884122>It's cybernetics instead of biotech, but still.And even that is debatable since the writers never seriously examine the super technology they've given the series, and considering you can just be born a Catgirl Mutant anyways.>>96884149>You know I'd legit think CGL doing a Farmertech book would be both entertaining and well received.The problem is they'd never do it justice; It'd be stupid shit like giving a Chaffee a giant hoe to plow single rows at a time.
>>96884660Its was a quiet morning after spending a night trick or treating and the Ghoul Pirates are busy dividing up the loot from the night before. They had spent the night plundering locals and even managed to steal from this guy in weird robes claiming that if they did not stop then they would face Blake's judgement! They had laughed and left him naked tied to a tree. Suddenly though they detect some sensor contacts and scramble to their vehicles, they are not giving off any IFF markers they don't seem to recognize the colors. They seem to be like a bunch of Ghosts come to fight over their loot! The fools, clearly nobody around here has got the firepower to match them?Things are already off to a swimming start for the Ghosts as "Wiffle" manages to jump into a bog and get stuck. This amuses the pirates but they struggle to get a lock or even ID on what sort of mech he has, but it does appear to be some sort of Griffin? Both sides start to trade LRM fire with no success. Vadim does get a surprise though when a PPC blasts past his cockpit from the stuck Griffin as he has never seen a PPC with that sort of range before!
>>96884709"Wiffle" gets his Griffin unstuck and its the turn of the Ghouls to have a unit get trapped in a bog, this time a Mr Donald Butler Holdfast. Vadim thinks the enemy are less than he thinks so charges on ahead only to encounter 5 mechs including a second Griffin. He gets focused down by all these Ghost mechs with his armor support trailing behind unable to assist. His armor is holding for now but he won't be surviving for long if he can't pull out and the hit he scored with his AC/5 is not going to be enough punch.Mr Holdfast is suffering for being stuck having been pounded by missile fire and now what is looking like a Mercury is closing in fast to try and destroy his legs. Most of his allies were too busy shooting and missing the Ghostly Hunchback and those that did try to intercept the Mercury cannot hit it as it was going too fast for them. He can try and squeeze a few shots off but he is helpless and his armor is being stripped fast.
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>>96884763Round 3 now and things picking up.Ghost lights are charging in and they're out for blood. Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton charges in with their Mongoose blasting away with lasers at a Trebuchet and delivers a swift kick to the Ghoulies Vedette instantly killing Lonnie Ferguson. Snakebeard does manage to score a laser hit to the CT but it fails to succeed in a crit. Rest of the Ghouls try to engage the lights charging them but are mostly ineffective. Mr Holdfast does at least manage to break his Wasp free and escape the rush of light mechs coming right towards him.In the West Vadim is being surrounded and his mech being pounded to bits. He is screaming for help but he's getting jammed only narrowly being able to prevent his mech from falling over.
>>96883920Plenty of sldf downgrades make the mech significantly worse. This to me felt like the most accurate downgrade. If you want power just boat MLs or something
>>96884818Round 4 start and its as followsGhosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4DV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5MON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5BV remaining 13736 / 13900Ghouls (Pirates)WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson.4/4Vedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5Manticore Dave 4/5SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3DeadVedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4 - tank still functional but the crew has been turned to red paste.BV remaining 11093 / 12046
>>96884818Alright! First blood from a swift kick.
>>96884842Dave finally arrives in time to see Vadim's Shadow Hawk being torn to bits by the Ghostly mechs, only to see him finally eject as he can see a clear ammo detonation on the doomed Shadow Hawk. “Mystic” is the one that claims this kill.Elsewhere it isn't going so good for the Ghouls with ‘Foggy’ being stunned by missile fire from Khamsin, "Mad" having to keep his Centurion upright after being swarmed by lights and Mr Holdfast has lost a good chunk of structure in his RA."Honey" does at least manage to use the disabled Vedette of their now deceased comrade as cover and squeeze a cheeky shot at the white Dervish. The rest of the Ghouls also try to focus the strange light mech that is squeezing off a lot of firepower and for a moment it looks like it would fall over but it seems to be tanking their combined firepower. For the Ghosts it has been a strong start. Two enemies already dead, others losing armor. Wilbur Redenbacher is laughing inside their Talon as they absorb fire that would cripple a lot of heavier designs and can only think what the pirates are thinking as they continue to blast away with lasers and PPC with no fear of heat buildup. For some reason though Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings thinks he's playing a video game and is trying to snipe with an AC/20 and content to let the others do all the dirty work.
>>96884903Round 5 and stands as follows:Ghosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4DV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5MON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5BV remaining 13562 / 13900Ghouls (Pirates)WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson.4/4Vedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5Manticore Dave 4/5SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3FledSHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5DeadVedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4BV remaining 10044 / 12046
>>96884922Things to continue to get worse for the Ghouls.Dave realizing he's fucked whatever he does, decides to charge the mechs only for the repeated barrages of fire immobilizing his Manticore and stunning his crew.The Ghouls think they have scared the Ghosts off when they all retreat into the woods only for a Kintaro to come racing out, tanks a large laser hit by "Swamp Hag", unloads missiles into The Wild Ride one of which nearly knocks "Bones" unconscious and kick the RL and RT completely off of Mr Holdfast's Wasp causing it to fall over.'Mad' Bob Cutler does at least manage to blast the CT armor off of Templeton's Mongoose but the rest of the engagement attempts by the Ghouls are broadly unsuccessful.
>>96884984Round 6 and Ghouls finally score a kill.While the Ghosts were busy bullying Dave an SRM carrier rolls over the hill, sees Heather Mason's Mongoose and unloads with everything they got completely destroying it. This of course is met with return fire and the extra Ghoulie gets stunned with some panic fire from the Mongoose damaging its motive system as well.Donald Butler Holdfast realizes he's fucked as well and punches out.'Mad' Bob Cutler and "Bones" are sick of the Ghosts hiding in the woods and move to flush them out, encountering and knocking a Dervish to the ground and punching off the RA of that pesky Mercury for their effort.The Kintaro though is causing the most trouble. Although Logan Carmichael is knocked to the ground from focus fire they manage to score a critical hit to the Warhammer getting two crits on the engine forcing it to worry about shutdown as heat levels begin to spike.“Mystic” also decides its their turn to get stuck in a bog and jumps into one.
>>96885059Round 7 standings:Ghosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4DV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5TrappedMON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6BV remaining 12118 / 13900Ghouls (Pirates)CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson 4/4Vedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5Manticore Dave 4/5SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3 FledSHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4DeadVedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4BV remaining 8258 / 12046
>>96884842>Dead>Vedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4 - tank still functional but the crew has been turned to red paste.Mother fucker. Oh well.
>>96885084Round 7 and a lot of people are flying across the battlefield. Literally.Dave sits in his Manticore, notices he is fucked as his engine gets destroyed and decides to put on a kettle before his tank explodes due to an ammo detonation caused by Giuseppe Bartolo launching him through the air which he apparently survives unscathed. 'Mad' Bob Cutler manages to destroy the final Mongoose trapping Cristobal inside only for his ammo to get detonated by Wilbur Redenbacher causing his autoeject to send him launching across the Battlefield.Honesty “Honey” Wallace is stuck thinking happy thoughts as their Vedette is surrounded and immobilized although they do have the Vedette of the late Lonnie Ferguson to retreat right next to them which despite having a dead crew is still functional.Logan Carmichael gets their Kintaro back up, sees themselves surrounded by Ghoulies and decides that running is boring so decides to blow the leg off of "Bones" Trebuchet, cause why wouldn't they? "Swamp Hag" notices this cheeky act and kicks their LA off.
>>96885163Round 8 and here are how things stand.Ghosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4DV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5TrappedMON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5BV remaining 11074 / 13900 Ghouls (Pirates)TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson 4/4Vedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3 FledSHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4Manticore Dave 4/5ZombieVedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4BV remaining 6127 / 12046>>96885134I've been looking into it more and due to the unique way Megamek is coded it can't decide if they are dead or alive so while it says the crew are killed the match doesn't count them as dead. So we literally have got zombies on our hands.
>>96884578>I'm honestly here hoping the entire thing crashes and burns so I can get Civil War and Jihad era plastics.Which are coming. I don’t why people keep thinking Gothic took a massive amount of resources away from the other stuff.
>>96885201Steven "Wiffle" Willis decides he wants a vehicle kill and unloads into the SRM Carrier destroying it.Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings finally decides to do something with his Hunchback and an AC/20 traps Honesty “Honey” Wallace inside the wreckage of their Vedette."Swamp Hag" frustrated by how this battle is going unloads into the downed Dervish causing its ammo to detonate and send Khamsin ejecting into the air and kick the Kintaro."Bones" is in trouble as the Ghosts surround and bully his mech by shooting and kicking it to bits.Colleen O'Clery realizes that there is a Vedette still operational even with a dead crew and moves to finish it off in case anyone takes advantage of it by kicking it apart.Max "Jumpman" Hassan thinks his team has got this in the bag and decides to go on a smoke break.
>>96885280Onto Round 9 and these are the standings.Have made a few errors but that's just megamek getting confused. Apparently Dave is surrounded by exploding ammo in a Manticore and is completely fine.Ghosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5TrappedMON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5FledDV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4BV remaining 9614 / 13900Ghouls (Pirates)TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson 4/4BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5FledSHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4TrappedVedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3 Manticore Dave 4/5ZombieVedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4BV remaining 4828 / 12046
>>96885296"Bones" ejects when he fails to right his mech with the kill being attributed to Logan Carmichael due to him delivering the crippling blow."Kaiser" has figured out the Hunchback is not for sniping and delivers a second kill with his AC/20 taking out the Goblin trapping ‘Foggy’ inside.The Ghost Kintaro had an opportunity to retreat but decide to charge towards the Ghoul Zeus. "Swamp Hag" blasts the engine out of the Kintaro causing it to finally fall for good.Bone-biter has been left infuriated as his mech is crippled unable to provide supporting fire and Willie Snakebeard despite providing a lot of help throughout cannot shoot fast enough."Jumpman" realizes that he best not have to explain later why a vintage Kintaro was lost while he did nothing decides to put out his cigarette, shoot at the Warhammer and miss.Wilbur Redenbacher tries to kick the Warhammer but slips and fall only for Teddie "caveman" Diggs to cover him by shooting up the Warhammer and delivering a successful kick causing it to fall on its head.
>>96885280Attagirl Colleen, Let's have one of my pilots survive for once!
>>96885385Onto round 10 and standings:Ghosts (Comstar)WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5TrappedMON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4FledDV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4BV remaining 8980 / 13900Ghouls (Pirates)BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard.4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4FledSHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson 4/4TrappedVedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3 Manticore Dave 4/5Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5ZombieVedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4BV remaining 3895 / 12046
>>96885207It did and it does. Logistics, development time, moulds.When they tell you it didn't they're simply lying to you. Gothic almost certainly did force a year or more of delay on the theoretical releases, and all for a meme stolen from 40k. The only positive I can see is probably "lighter" rules for Protomechs adapted from Abominations.In all regards, a waste of time and resources for everyone.
>>96885405Willie Snakebeard starts backing away as he sees the hoard of white mechs coming over the hill and screaming into his comms that "Swamp Hag" should ignore the strange light mech and run but she can't hear him over the jamming. As a result she focuses down destroying the Talon trapping Wilbur Redenbacher inside only to see Bone-biter's Warhammer suddenly explode as a small laser hit from the Falcon blows up its ammo sending him ejecting and turning to see a wall of laser, PPC and SRM fire collide into the side of her Zeus causing it to fall to the ground.
>>96885448Round 11 and I think its safe to say the Ghouls are fucked. Going to stop reporting on the fled/dead as almost over."Swamp Hag" manages to get her Zeus upright and decides that they are going to fight it out charging towards the Ghost mechs which surround her, blasting and kicking her Zeus to bits. Despite gyro hits and taking considerable damage she manages to keep it upright.Willie Snakebeard decides he doesn't want to live forever so runs in to try and help.
>>96885480Round 12 and despite being pursued by what can only be described as a ghostly gang rape squad, Snakebeard manages to get the better of this fighting retreat even scoring a direct hit with an AC/2 to the head of the Falcon but to no effect.
>>96885501Round 13 and he realizes he isn't going to escape as the Ghosts catch up on him and proceed to pound his mech to bits. He keeps firing as his Blackjack goes down.
>>96885509Round 14 and he finally goes down, trapped in the wreckage of his own mech. Steven "Wiffle" Willis gets the kill.Victory for the Ghosts!Will do an after match report in a bit.Basic info at momentKillsLogan Carmichael 2Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 1Extra Ghoulie 1Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 1Giuseppe Bartolo 1Wilbur Redenbacher 1 'Mad' Bob Cutler 1Steven "Wiffle" Willis 2Honesty “Honey” Wallace 1Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 2Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 2Teddie "caveman" Diggs 1Haven't really attributed who killed the Zeus on Ghost side as it seems to be a shared kill between all remaining although Giuseppe Bartolo and Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings did the most damage there. According to megamek nobody died except at the end so I've marked Lonnie Ferguson as zombie due to confusion.Ghosts (Comstar)SurvivedWVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan 4/6MCY-99 Mercury Colleen O'Clery 3/4HBK-4G Hunchback Wilhelm "Kaiser" Billings 4/6GRF-2N Griffin Giuseppe Bartolo 4/5SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Declan “Mystic” Bellamy 3/4FLC-4N Falcon Teddie "caveman" Diggs 4/4GRF-2N Steven "Wiffle" Willis 3/5TrappedMON-66 Mongoose Heather Mason 4/6MON-66 Mongoose Cristobal Forsyth-Templeton 3/5KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael 4/4TLN-5V Talon Wilbur Redenbacher 4/5FledDV-6M Dervish Khamsin 3/4Ghouls (Pirates)FledSHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New Vladivostok 4/5WSP-1A Wasp Donald Butler Holdfast 4/4CN9-A Centurion 'Mad' Bob Cutler 4/4TBT-5N (The Wild Ride) Trebuchet Bones "Bones" Boneson 4/4WHM-6R Warhammer Bone-biter 4/5ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau 3/4TrappedVedette Honesty “Honey” Wallace 3/4SRM Carrier Extra Ghoulie 3/3 Manticore Dave 4/5Goblin Blake ‘Foggy’ Bottin 3/5BJ-1 Blackjack Willie Snakebeard 4/4ZombieVedette Lonnie Ferguson 3/4
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>>96885552In case people want logs:Entity Status - https://files.catbox.moe/oqffdl.txtGame Log - https://files.catbox.moe/7pznel.txtGhosts MVP - KTO-19 Kintaro Logan Carmichael.Their charge in that Kintaro caught the Ghouls off guard and basically crippled their team. That double engine CT hit effectively removed the Warhammer from the game.Ghosts Tank - TLN-5V Talon Wilbur RedenbacherHe decided that a Talon can be an assault mech and ran in to take a beating as the Ghouls wasted a lot of time focusing him down.Ghosts Least Valuable Player - WVE-5N Wyvern Max "Jumpman" Hassan didn't really do much this entire game.Other Ghost mentions - The lights did insanely well here. They baited the entire Ghouls forward and kept pressure up. They went in knowing their side was outnumber on this flank and won it.Ghouls MVP - ZEU-6S Zeus Beatrice "Swamp Hag" Moreau Used their Zeus when needed to focus down and take down high value targets. This was a tight run thing as I feel quite a few contenders were here including "Bones" and 'Mad' Bob Cutler.Ghouls Tank - Manticore DaveOn surface didn't appear to do much. In reality kept the Ghosts occupied for a few turns buying time for his team on the other side. If he hadn't done that this would have been over a lot quicker.Ghouls Least Valuable Player - SHD-2H Shadow Hawk Dread Pirate Vadim of New VladivostokAside from his suicide charge which he couldn't really be blamed for as it was playing with double blind rules here, he really didn't do anything wrong. Just was on the least useful on the team.Other Ghoul mentions - Overall I think the Ghouls were just really unlucky here in the rolls and did as best as they could despite their circumstances. Their Warhammer getting effectively knocked out early on and running into two Griffin 2N's on a single flank was a bad shock. If I was to rerun this I doubt they'd have lost as bad. Also vehicles suck more than people realize.
