Previous: >>96884783BLACKED Friday Approaches Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ:What accessories will you be buying on BLACKED Friday anon?
We're breaching containment by the way
>>96891296That image is clearly pro-UB yet people keep suggesting its not for some reason. > un american gamers> innocent salesman> crying libertyHow dumb are you guys
>>96890990If you are asking if they appear in normal boosters/collector boosters, no, they are exclusive to the scene boxesThat said, if this is not fucking obvious for some fucking reason, no you aren't forced to buy the scene boxes JUST BUY SINGLES YOU RETARD
>>96891389You joke, but so many of the comments needed to be told that it's parody
Repost from old thread:I tried to make a Naya monks tribal deck with Tifa, Martial Artist as commander. I'm not the biggest Jeskai fan (I consider it a travesty the designated Monk effect is Prowess now), but all the FF monks really activated my almonds.https://archidekt.com/decks/17138238/naya_monk_tribalIt's usually reliable to set up Tifa's trigger (i only need 2 other dudes on board before T5, or T4 if I get lucky), so I just fuck one dude's day up with 17 commander damage. Then I come in 3rd or 2nd, because I can't seal the deal.Problems: I suck with deck building. I can't tell if I have a good mix of Monks to Cards-that-want-creatures-of-a-certain-type-on-the-field, or if it's slanted too hard in one direction.I have to be incredibly careful not to overextend, because I have no ways to refill my hand. I'm usually sitting on an empty hand turn 8/9, which means I'm probably doing something wrong, as everyone in EDH has these fucking nutso draw engines. I tried to ameliorate this with sylvan library/abundance, but it's just not enough.Because the monks kind of suck on their own, artifact hate/enchantment hate ruins my day. I can't tell if I should drop the global buffs for auras (umbras?)/equips; as things are now, while I can exponentially ramp up, I can be easily ramped down just as fast, and a boardwipe is hard to recover from.I play MTGO, so the price isn't as bad as it seems for a jank deck. I think I made this for under $35, and I got that by selling old cards I had from 10 years ago for tix.I have another Tifa, MA deck that is more balls to the wall, loads of mana dorks for reliability, commander protection focused, etc. But I wanted to make a non-Jeskai monks deck that can live without the commander, and I'm just not sure how to do it.
>>96891296Plenty more anti-UB memes where that came from. You normies are welcome to lurk and repost our memes, so long as you don't talk here and shit up our sacred thread culture
>>96891389you brainless shitstain of a human husk act like fine arts can't be interpreted in multiple ways
>brew deck>like the way it looks >actually start to build it>it just doesn't feel right>somethings missing >realize the deck works better if I tweak some cards and change the commander>the commander is vile ub wokeslopI'm tired boss...
Post your favourite dragon card.
>>96891452Never had that experience but>brew deck>it's very thematic and fun concept>play test it>have to free-mull a bunch of time times to get a playable hand>plays well>practice with riskier hands or less mulls>plays like absolute shit>isn't even online until turn 8>know that as much as I love it this is going to be a waste of an hour to actually attempt to playIt hurts bros
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>>96891459i just love naya...
>>96891279>What accessories will you be buying on BLACKED Friday anon?None. I already have what I need.>>96891459Easy. The OG Azban general.>>96891496Also very based.
Hybrid manafags can't have it both ways. If you're going to say Beseech the queen can go in every deck, this card is monoW as your commander.
>>96891513This is clearly designed to be an Abzan card, so Abzan color identity it is. It's even got the Abzan symbol.
>>96891442spiderman will never not be magic 2
>>96891092Yes, yes it is!>>96891107I may look at his and see what I can suggest>>96891231It's not only more than 2 colors, it's 4 colors. Wanting to do a Midrange ETB/Token focused Breya deck. Karnstructs, stuff like Reckless Fireweaver, pretty much anything that gets value the moment it touches the board and gives me tokens. I'm having a friend who is more competitive help me build it so I don't make the list 70000 cards and completely unfocused. Asking for opinions on every card I add. I'm hoping to still find slots for funny cards like Faerie Artisans
>>96891459DRAGON NUKE
>>96891459Always liked the BBEG
>bringing shit from prev threads
>>96891513yeah we can because you still need a second color of mana to use its abilities so its not monow get rekt lmao
>>96891459I made a blue/black dragons control deck about a decade ago and it's still one of my fav decks ever
>>96891472>he doesn't just ramp into his commander and have fun with itbad deckbuilding.
I'll try to make this as concise as possible. first time I lost my temper at an LGS, and it just pisses me off when I'm legitimately just running a draw extra shit also here's free spells with weftwalking and dreamhalls, and I can't even keep howling mine out. >have good game 1 for packs, I don't win, no one was in a commanding position, all of my permanents destroyed, fun game>game 2 - use a more funny/grouphug deck (no warpworld or flipping shit)>get iced out due to the slower/janky cards and slower deck, no permanents, lowest life, get countered (my commander gives free shit)>have 1 creature and 8 life, guy swings at me with his 7/7 that I can block, I scoop, tell him he can have triggers if he needs them>naw no triggers, you are just a scary player>tell them to fuck off and leave
>>96891525>the guy who thinks the simple rules of color identity is some kind of gotcha is backYou get beaten to a bloody pulp every single time. Genuinely, is this some kind of fetish for you?
>>96891656wat
>>96891549>I need a wrangler to build a deck
>>96891633Buddy I’m trying. I’m running Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, Thought Vessel, Talisman of Creativity, Izzet Signet, and Gilded LotusOther than cutting slots for some rituals, I really don’t know what more I can do
>>96891684He needs a wrangler to wipe his ass
>>96891675tl;dr, tried playing a group hug deck, had 1 non-land permanent on average the entire game, then at 8 life(everyone else has 30+), a guy swings at me for 7 to kill my emet-selch because my graveyard was full of shit like howling mine, that he was afraid I was going to cast all the things they removed despite everyone having full boards.
>>96891459sex with dragons
>>96891549I don't get it. Breya is a tier 3 cedh commander with one strategy (combo) so what's so complicated? Why would you try to build her "midrange"? What the fuck does that even mean?>ETB FocusSo basically you have a dead game if you can't stop every removal piece?
>>96891656>play at an lgs>use jank>loses and maldsngmi
>>96891674By the rules of *original* color identity as it was intended, this card is monowhite. So clearly it's not immutable and we can change it to align closer to the design goals of cards. Why not one more change?
Thoughts?https://moxfield.com/decks/kYTrsUKxXkGCkRvg07FRWg
>>96891727Nothing is complicated. This particular tripfag’s modus operandi is to post booted deck lists and ask for feedback so people completely blow up at him about the obviously bad choices he makes.That’s it. That’s all there is to know.He does this all the fucking time. He posts deck lists that are literally 200 cards long with “I don’t know what to cut :/“ and then someone looks at it and he’s put in some literal thousand dollar card that doesn’t even help his game planJust.Don’t.Reply.
>>96891459Treva but all five of them are amazing.
>>96891745*bloated deck list
>>96891731>have a fun game where everyone is chilling, I don't win, it's just a fun game with back and forth>next game get completely barred from playing and focused down >NOOOOOOOO RAGNAR IS TOO METAL AND CEDH META, WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON HIM
>>96891745>literal thousand dollar card that doesn’t even help his game plan
>>96891767>puts it in literally EVERY SINGLE DECK just for the (You)sPathetic behavior.
>>96891765>nooo why aren't randoms reading my mind and playing like i would like them to playlol
The Chains isn't real btw
>>96891784flexing ownership of an expensive card sounds based to me... if only he wasn't a tripfag.
>>96891459Daddy’s home
>>96891459All these new firebending cards got me a little hot under the collar.
>>96891753>all foils>right click, Save Image AsDamn. That's some impressive $$$. Have a deck for each 5 they command?
>>96891549are you disassembling Golbez similar to what i've experienced? that usually Golbez kinda just spins his wheels for a bit if you don't get a engine going
>>96891788>read mind>when explicitly told, when observed>aggressive misinterpretation of anything said>rage baitingI think just assuming they are mentally crippled like you, instead of normal people I used to play with, sets better expectations. Thanks
>>96891656>get countered (my commander gives free shit)Retard.
>>96891734this one is going to go crazy in firebending decks isn't it?
>>96891885i'm not the one crying on a basket weaving forum that i lost a commander game at an lgs btw kek
>>96891656I will counter your Gluntch or your Bumbleflower as many times as needed. I will never be the only player benefitting from the free shit you're tossing around the table- in fact, if you're a competent player, you'll build around making more effective use of these resources then me- so why should I let you keep your commander on the board when it gives you that plus political tools to use on other players?
>>96891684Abso-fucking-lutely dude, Breya represents the culmination of everything I've ever liked in Magic in a lot of ways. I have so many things that I want to do, and she's good at so many things that it makes it extremely hard for me to tone back my aggressive artifact autism.>>96891727>What's so complicatedI don't want to build her with off-theme combos like Thoracle or stuff like that, if I do have combo pieces, I want them to work similar to how the rest of the deck works. Breya has so many elements I like all nestled into one broad, very colorful shell. Back in high school, and even earlier back when Mirrodin was new, I basically fell in love with Artifacts after acquiring Sacrificial Bam and a few other theme decks from later sets in the block (the one with Broodstar comes to mind). My 60 card kitchen table deck back in HS was focused on stuff like Platinum Angel, Darksteel Forge, Master Transmuter, Arcbound Ravager, Sharding Sphinx, Mirrorworks, Grand Architect, etc. I even used to run City of Shadows, Tolarian Academy, and Tinker in it for digging out Blightsteel and Darksteel Colossi. I was around 18 at the time, in my senior year for this one in particular. >What is midrangeFrom what I understand, Midrange is effectively that area before you fully abandon aggro but before you fully step into control. High value generation, stopping other value genning, and trying to just grind people to dust through constant triggers/casts until you've overwhelmed the table. >>96891699>he thinks I wipeMy crust is how I protect myself, my armor only comes off in the rain>>96891846So it's a mix of things, that's definitely on the list, but I also try to only have one archetype/color-combo at any given time. Artifacts is basically my thing, so I try to limit it to one deck as to not spread resources unnecessarily. Golbez DOES suffer that way, though. Once you get stuff like Unshakable Tail, Enhanced Surveillance, or Matoya though the brakes are off.
>>96891796Remember when he got called on this and his response was to say “a friend” bought it for him, and when asked for proof he just posted of photo of some guy with a timestamp and absolutely 0 evidence that the card had ever been purchased at all let alone by whoever the fuck he posted?
Essentially, for people who don't play other formats:>aggroKill the enemy as fast as possible, nothing else matters. The example card is Goblin Guide; decks running it not only win with no cards on hand, they even feed their opponent extra cards in exchange for even more damage.>controlControl the board and exhaust your opponent's resources until you reach a boardstate where you have total ability to decide what happens on the game; from there, anything can be the wincon; even decking out your enemy. A good example card is Wrath of God, that resets the board and deals with multiple threats on its own.>comboLike you said, self-explanatory. Make a combination of cards that autowins. The rest is protecting and ensuring it. Classic card is Illusions of Grandeur. It pretty much wins once you do what you want to do with it (give it to the opponent).>midrangeWin by attrition. Slower then aggro, faster then control. You have no gameplan other then just dumping enough value on the table to win. Play whatever efficient disruption, answers and threats you can access to consistently block off your enemy in the earlygame while playing stuff that gives you more resources then you invest into it; then 2-for-1 the opponent until you have a good enough advantage to win. Example card is Fable of the Mirror-Breaker. It generates card flow, mana, and a body all in one package, creating value in all sorts of different directions to work fine in almost any game state.>tempoReverse midrange. Present a powerful earlygame threat and protect it while disrupting your opponent and their plays. While you're only comfortable in a few specific boardstates, you can engineer them very consistently. An example card is Delver of Secrets: It immediately forces your opponent on the backfoot as an oversized earlygame flier and decks running it are made to make it guaranteed to transform.
>>96891926The goal of that deck isn’t to win. What I’m pissed off about are people like you. Every deck has to combo off. Has to run the same cancer value pieces. Oh is that guy playing ragnar? Must be some secret tech of fucking us over and instantly win ing. Playing this game competitively is fucking retarded.
>>96891970Felt that way when I played Heliod the Radiant Dawn. It was a jank list that attempted to win by reducing the cost of 5 and 6 mana spells in 3+ card combos. It could not win before turn 10 any time I play tested it, and it just pillow-forted until then.I had multiple people target me because “Heliod is scary”Anyway, people on here will always tell you that you were somehow at fault no matter what you say. They did the same thing to free-basics anon (pbuh)
>>96891513No, its either Orzhov or Selesnya
>>96891970>"i don't play to win bro">meanwhile play at an lgs for packs>lose because he brought a shit deck>"playing this game competitively is fucking retarded"kekw
>>96891970Anon, you are playing a group hug commander. Have you not considered that whoever countered you might have thought giving a ton of value to their opponents might have been a thing worth preventing?
>>96891800Allow me, I do this with my italian Chains.Behold, my italian Chains.
>>96891935>if I keep repeating this it will become trueI genuinely believe he's so severely mentally ill that his expensive cards and gifts are real. His mommy bought him a Survival of the Fittest and he doesn't even use it in the three decks he posts every other day, his "friend" (likely gay lover) bought him Chains, some other fag gave him that Polluted Delta, etc. This should be a point of pity that they're wasted on a manchild.
>>96891389Wtf is it trying to say then, merely exaggerating labels doesn't immediately change the message unless there is some kind of clear contradiction
>>96892012>2 chains owners in the same thread>one isnt a tripfagAutomatically superior. Chad behavior.
>>96891968I learned a lot from this post, thank you.
>>96892004Yes, of course. But if one player eats all removal, and has 1 nonland permanent the entire game on average, and everyone else has 3-5 creatures and value pieces, AND 10 life while everyone has 30+, then swinging at that player, it’s not just removal. They apparently were afraid of me instantly comboing out still because I had a full hand. >>96892001Terminal retardation>>96891994Yeah, I just don’t find ‘competitive’ edh to be any sort of fun. I play other formats for that, and even then, it’s like everyone is just moving in and playing edh rec lists and expecting everyone to instantly win
>>96891438>our sacred thread culture>resident tripfag attack helicopter, swordbro>gay bolas anon>troski anon>30 life is better than 40 life anon>soapbox for why we lost a children's card game
I hope Star Trek has a couple Tholian cards that are made to fit into Thantis. Ideally a nice Jund Legend I could proxy as a new version of her.
>>96892044>it’s like everyone is just moving in and playing edh rec lists and expecting everyone to instantly win>why aren't randos at an lgs *not* playing edh rec lists and *not* expect everyone to instantly win like i want them to in my mindgo on man you're hilarious
>>96891438Fortnite is one of the most beloved games in history, and the devs are allowed to cook with every single crossover event. MTG would be lucky to get to that point.
>>96892049What is your favorite aspect of Thai thread’s culture anon?Me, I love when I make a prediction about something, and people ITT shit on my prediction as stupid, then I’m proven right, and people ITT said that no one ever said my prediction would be wrong, and if I take screenshots to prove that people did tell me I was wrong, I get called schizo for taking screenshots knowing people would change their storyIt’s the kind of gaslighting that’s hard to find these days, exquisite
>>96891932>the artifact faggot started when artifacts became so broken they ruined magicNo surprises there
>>96891459It's been a long time since I played her and I need to upgrade the deck a bit.
>>96892044hope you learned your lesson.instead of accidentally being the player that everyone fears, be the player that everyone SHOULD fearthere is no place for funny decks when you are playing with retards. retards only understand one thing: pain. make them suffer, for they do not deserve neither pity nor mercy. yes, this will make the eternal retard sad. but this is the only way to humble the retard and teach him to never wrong you.
>>96891690As a Neera deck enjoyer, thats not enough rocks. You want ten, minimum. I personally run these:>Sol Ring>Arcane Signet>Izzet Signet>Talisman of Creativity>Sky Diamond>Fire Diamond>Commander's Sphere>Gilded Lotus>Thran Dynamo>Worn Powerstone (this one can be subbed out for another 3-drop rock you like better)
>>96891968do note that average commander tard only allows midrange at his tables. everything else is unfun.
>>96892077i like making predictions too, mining salt is pretty cool>dockside's coming back btw
>>96892062>still aggressively misinterprets and makes shit upYeah, my lgs becomes more popular and it’s filled with faggots like you now shitting things up.
>>96892124of the ebin bans dockside is the least likely to come back.
>>96892113to be fair, taking a deck that's 50% combo and tutors by volume to a casual game night should be treated with all the scorn it deserves
Midrange is, in competitive Pokemon terms, "bulky offense" leaning towards "balance".It's the Ryu of decks. No glaring weaknesses, performs adequately in a lot of matchups, loses when fighting another deck with a more determined pace but doesn't necessarily have to fight at that pace.
>>96892101Diamonds and Command Sphere fucking suuuuuck thoughI would consider Thran Dynamo, although it’s showing its age
Pros of Dockside unban:>Seat 4 loses less in cEDHCons of Dockside unban:>Everything else
>>96892143You're not in good ramp colors so it's either that or run forty lands, OR run a hideously fragile rituals package.
>>96892138aggro just got banished into the shadow realm of B4 due to average turn to kill rule.control is hated because nobody likes the fun police.tempo isnt a thing in commander.
>>96891459I love this guy with the OTJ art in particular.Feels like they did a Magic rendition of Red-Eyes, even the effect fits the archetype.
Don't think they're gonna unban Dockside, not before JLo gets an unban at least.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96892153>due to average turn to kill ruleThis is a thing now?
>>96892143Oh yeah, don't forget to slot a copy of this bad boy into your Neera deck. There's nothing like holding up a bunch of mana for counterspells and then using it to manipulate 2-4 cards on endstep
>>96892153Aggro has always been niche because, you know, 120 life to go through.
>>96892012Very nice, I wish I had one. I picked up an Abyss lately though.
>>96891935All he has to do is post a hi res pic so we can examine the rosettes, but we all know that's not going to happen.
>>96892012Based Shattergang chad
>>96892143They don't suck that bad less you are trying to loop/storm off
>>96892244Abyss is the other card on my list of 'I want to own one and never sell it' besides this chains good fufking card my man
>>96892101>DiamondsHot trash. Just run Felwar Stone and a colorless rock like Thought Vessel instead. Coming in tapped is a huge downside. Even then, Star Compass and Coldsteel Heart are just better.
>>96892198Its a lite suggestion not a rule and the minimums are quite low
I just realized that if your commander has a power of 4 or greater you can make all of your draw green instead of blue and I hate it.
>>96892440>all commanders are SimicThe average /edhg/tard everyone
>>96892241pretty much this, aggro will always turn into less true aggro and more an aggressive midrange deck by other standard's measure not just the 120 life but your opponents have 3x as much chance of drawing into an answer to your early game aggression
>>96892440Green is probably the most powerful mono color deck to build. It just doesn't come up often because there's no super busted green commanders or really much reason not to run a two or three color commander instead if you can afford the land base.
>>96892440Plz help me by elaborating. My Tifa, Martial Artist deck is in dire need of draw
>>96892478I used this as an example because blue is supposed to have "the best" draw with black as the #2, but if your commander is a mere 4 power, green draw options give you a rate better than most blue cards. Even if we look at "mid" green draw, 5 mana for 4 cards is about on-rate for blue, with much higher potential.
So do we know what's in that secret lair encyclopedia thing? Because $200 is fucking hilarious unless it has some super pricey cards.
>>96891932Do you have any proof of the Chains purchase
>>96892530Who fucking cares
>>96892510This seems bad? You have to target the creature and thus the draw can be stopped by just aiming removal at whatever huge beater you selected. It doesn't default to your next biggest creature to give you a smaller payoff you just get hosed.
>>96892510only if your commander is out though, blue has early game draw which green doesn't have to the same extend there's no green mystic remora
>>96892510>removes creature in response>debuffs creature in response>changes target in responseAnd that is why blues draw is better! Conditionless > conditions
>>96892510Yes but only your commander has both U and G. Do you realize how silly this is as a general revelation?
>>96892263Entering tapped is really badAnd Command Sphere is just a bad net of mana. I wouldn’t play it unless my deck had artifact synergies or could reduce its cost
>>96892510The problem is all this draw relies on a creature and as such someone can blow up that creature as a response, leaving you with either fucking nothing or way less cards then you should have drawn. Blue will just hand you the cards outright at basically any time and so will black for a minor fee.
What deck is like this for you?
>>96892564every
>>96892553Or could cheat it. It's quite good in Squall for example.
>>96892564Any cascade deck.
>>96892134i'm not saying now, i'm not saying in januarybut it is coming back>as a GC ofc so that timmies know to stay in their lane
to the people who think green has better card drawwhen was the last time you sat at a table and someone didn't feed 5+ cards to a rhystic studies? >just pay the 1you know as well as me at least 1 person gets greedy
>Whoa holy cow I just realized something. You don't even have to run black removal spells because white is so much better. Whoa black spells are bad now don't even run themThat's hoe retarded you sound.
>>96892510>sorcery speed draw that's dependent on a creature>this is insane guyslmao
>>96892591Just reply to the singular person making the argument fuck sakes>>96892510
>>96892538>>96892547>>96892561How often are your opponents holding up interaction every turn instead of tapping out? Be honest.
>>96892622I picked that card specifically because it was one of the worse options.
>>96892480>Green is probably the most powerful mono color deck to build.correctfunnily enough green is the weakest color in CEDH, but that's the tradeoff i suppose
>>96892626Often enough that I specifically cut that card from my Goreclaw deck because it kept failing.
>>96892649You know the funny thing is green solves that for 1 mana.
>>96892639>I picked that card specifically because it was one of the worse options.then you're not really helping your case when there are really only two (2) cards (omg wotc pls ban) that are good enough, mainly because they're instant speed
>>96892553Entering tapped is obviously a downside but ive been putting diamonds in decks recently because I like the art and its interesting how infrequently it matters
>>96892655if I had answers I wouldn't be casting a card to dig for them
I've gotten bored with the game. Anon, do you have deck ideas that might make the game more fun again? Something unconventional that's not cancer. Are dice rolling decks cancer? Mr. House would be something I have never even remotely played.
>>96892564OrosI feel like I'm so close to getting it where I want but I just don't give enough of a fuck to do more tuning
>>96892586They reprinted Primaeval Titan in FIN's bonus sheet and it's still banned. They just saw a pirate, saw a somewhat pricy and iconic card that's also a pirate in it to reprint.
>>968926576-mana "win if resolves" is a pretty good one.
>>96891549>>96891932Breya is fun, I'm looking for a cut to re-add ensnaring bridge right now. >>96892510There's also that black instant that draws cards equal to the CMC of your commander that's pretty sweet.
>>96892626I almost never tap out because im a good player and not playing cedh
>>96892626Very often, actually.
>>96892688>Well, IYou are not your opponents anon. How often are THEY doing it?
>>96892686Forgot pic
>>96892695I am an opponent of all EDH players
>>96892719Never mind. I kneel.
>>96892626Just going by my pod:>Balmor player has Pyrokinesis, Flare of Denial, Fireblast and Fury in his deck>Ellivere player has ramp out the ass and Wilderness Reclamation>Lier has Force of Will, Force of Negation, Pact of Negation, Mindbreak Trap and Submergeyeah I'm not fucking trusting them to not have an answer
>>96892729Anon 5 points of interaction is not a lot.
>>96892679>sorcery speed
>>96892780Underworld Breach is sorcery speed too faggot you're gonna call that a bad card?
>>96892789Underworld Breach is 2 mana
>>96892797Sorcery speed.
>>96892789>>96892804uh oh timmy melty
>>96892808YouTuber hands typed this post.
>>96891833Only Treva has a standalone deckhttps://moxfield.com/decks/ZRvAVdE5A0aFozvwIbY88wThe others, including Treva, are all going to be in an old-bordered "old legends tribal" deck that I'm pretty sure will be the most expensive Bracket 1 deck in the planet--by design. It currently uses Omnath, Locus of All as the commander since most of them have three pips in the costs anyway, but that might change.I also have these:
>>96892530Have this from way way back in February when it was given to me. I can probably find one that lists the price>>96892686Breya is so fuckin sick. I'm gonna have to look over your list when I get home later
>>96892827This is what I'd consider "core breya" in terms of utility creatures. Obviously etherium shaper could be swapped in for mechanaut but I'm pretty confident in my manabase. Having a cost reducer opens you up to more ad-hoc KCI Trawler loops and Sensei's Top+Mystic Forge as a wincon
here's my mono white tokens commander
>>96892866Man I have all of thoseOh shit, this is gonna be good. Goblin Welder feels like the supreme method of recursion and repeating ETBs. How important do you feel Slobad is? I've had one in my bulk since Darksteel
>>96892899Slobad is more of a pet card than anything, but he's a lightning rod for removal and a free sac outlet. You could play Spellskite in that slot for a similar effect I guess but I think slobad is a cool guy.
can you build a cool deck around deathtouch snipers, or do you have to get a bit too creative with your wincons doing this?
MHA UB when?
>>96892950black isn't the creative color, look to izzet or something
>>96892804Yeah but there is a difference between 2 mana draw your entire graveyard and 6 mana draw some cards (maybe) and cast one thing for free. Sorcery speed is a downside but one has enough other upsides to be banned in Modern.
>>96892950Is that the worst experience commander?
>>96892950Looks like a deck that would piss everybody else off the entire game while failing to kill anybody and then lose to combo. I don't think you can even reliably use this one to commander damage somebody to death.
>>96892973Yes and the other exists in a clown format where this card is considered equal power according to Gavin.
>>96892968Highly unlikely since it's not as proeminent on the public perception as Marvel and Spiderman already sold like shit because superhero stories are a bad fit for Magic.
>>96892981gavin is really taking his sweet time with normalizing this cardi suspect it's because too many casuals run 5 color timmy slop that don't have any interaction and coalition victory will force them to adjust
>>96892908>>96892908He was one of my favorite characters in the series of books on Mirrodin, so I may see what my "wrangler" thinks lmaoAnd the ability to turn a Thopter into Indestructible is always nice
>>96892981Game Changer statuses are not based solely on powerlevel; some are in that spot because they induce play patterns that are either simply miserable or that they would rather not have among low power tables. Coalition Victory is one such card; it drops and the game is over out of nowhere, which is something they don't like among alternate wincons in general; you feel like you lost simply because you didn't know enough card trivia.
>>96893019You can say this about any number of cards that are 6+ mana.
>>96893023Sorry where does this card say "you win" on it?
>>96892970I'm not looking to get highly creative, I'm just wondering how I could win>>96892978probably>>96892980so what strategy/commander would work well together with snipers?
>>96893023>casts fog
>>96893023There is a marked difference between this and a card that simply wins you the game guaranteed you did something every 5C deck would already be doing. Don't be retarded, please.
>>96892982This
>>96893035and Coalition Victory loses to Swords
>>96893023despite all the negative reaction, I agree with this anon. this and stuff like rise of the dark realms have ended every game I was part of on the spot.
>>96893043Not if they have more then one 5C creature.
>>96893059Yeah and Fog doesn't stop Insurrection if they have Questing Beast you trog.
>>96892981>GLUGLUGLUGLUGSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLURRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP>BURRRRRRRRRRP>Whew whadda mess, thanks for the mana kid>Kills you
Isn't this hyper annpying, when you make your opponent count their entire library to figure out how much they have to mill? Is that the point?
>>96893074get fucked
>>96893072That's a much harder condition then "have a creature of the kind your deck is supposed to have"
>>96891910Avatar Roku seems like it might be powerful to include
>>96893019>they induce play patterns that are either simply miserablein practice this is just implemented by fiat because gavin hates things like tergrid>or that they would rather not have among low power tablesthis one is practical, because emrakul aeons torn will be a GC next year and they rightly don't want it in bracket 2 pods>Coalition Victory is one such card; it drops and the game is over out of nowhere, which is something they don't like among alternate wincons in general; you feel like you lost simply because you didn't know enough card trivia.god forbid people get gotten by a gotcha momentthe thing with arguments from ignorance in mtg is that when you see it for the first time you already know how to work around it; should we forever put coalition victory on some pedestal because the horror of players getting blindsided by some alternate wincon? pfft
>>96893102You mean like combat-focused decks are supposed to have answers to combat shutdowns?
>>96893104sozin's comet would work pretty well too
>>96892981
>>96892827Let's see those rosettes nigga
>>96893080I'm fine with people just making two equal sized stacks and milling the one from the top. I don't care if it's off one card.
>>96893116>should we forever put coalition victory on some pedestal because the horror of players getting blindsided by some alternate wincon? pfftThis is in fact what they have done. They already stated that it's a bad alternate wincon card because these cards aren't supposed to win you the game on the spot; same reason they said Thoracle was a mistake as well (though they also noted Thoracle is a mistake for numerous other reasons). They're meant to be telegraphed, like Triskaidekaphobia, Laboratory Maniac, Call of the Spirit Dragons, etc- you put the card on the board and now you have a wincon you need to work towards.
>>96893167*resolves Scapeshift one time while Wandering Minstrel is alive*Ha ha guess u got outplayed!
>>96893167>They already stated that it's a bad alternate wincon card because these cards aren't supposed to win you the game on the spotbut that's literally what coalition victory doesthis isn't some unforeseen interaction between two cards; coaltion victory wins the game on the spot and the apocalypse devs of 2001 intended it that wayultimately coalition victory is put on a pedestal simply by fiat - gavin said so - and this is exemplified by the fact that thoracle isn't a GC but coalition victory is
>>96893184Yes, and they have already stated the 2001 devs were wrong and made a mistake, which is why Coalition is an unfair and unpleasant card they would rather not permit in low power tables. To put it simply, their design goal with alt wincons is that it should be obvious you're doing something weird and different that clues in your enemy this is either a combo or an alt wincon, and that they will have at least some time before it takes place. Coalition Victory's condition is "play a 5C deck" and it's immediate. So, for them, it's a design mistake they would rather not see being played because it's frustrating.>>96893181See, Maze's End is one such card. You need to include 10+ Gates in the deck for it to work, and Gates are generally very bad. If people see you playing heaps of Gates (which you probably should since Scapeshift is one card in 99) they'll clue in Maze's End is in the deck, since there is no reason to do this otherwise.
>>96893205Ah so it's unfair for people to "just know" Coalition Victory exists, but it's totally fair to demand people "just know" Maze's End exists and could materialize at any moment from any 10 lands.
>>96893225There is much more telegraphing with Maze's End then Coalition. If you show up with a Gates deck, people will know some shit is up, because you're playing a bunch of utterly dogshit lands; so unless you're actively misleading people as to your level of experience in the game, they're going to know some shit is up. It doesn't necessarily have to be Maze's End- they'll see "he's playing a bunch of cards that all share a type and are otherwise unplayably dogshit" and think you have some payoff to it.
>>96893205reminder that even if coalition victory was delisted from GC status it would still be banned from bracket 2 because it is a 2 card comboso ultimately coaliton victory being delisted is for bracket 3 wherein they don't have to spend a precious GC slot, and coaltion victory pales in comparison to real bona fide GCs like prime time and emrakul (yes they will be released)and you don't have to try to explain so hard, we all know coalition victory is there because gavin said so
>>96893158sweet for you, when its not even affecting you. im certain they dont care if its off one card
>>96893243And, obviously, Maze's End is much worse then Coalition Victory, because not only does it have the same sort of point of failure as Coalition (blow up the specific land untapper they have) it has more; you need to play a bunch of shittass lands, and if you don't want to play shitass lands you normally need to draw one more card, making it a specific two card combo (Scapeshift) as opposed to a "you win if you have the boardstate a 5C deck that is going well is expected to have and that can be attained by playing your commander once."
>>96893249Coalition Victory isnt a 2 card combo
>>96893289proof next thread?
>>96893296The other half of Coalition Victory isn't a specific card, it's "you have your commander out"
>>96893324your 5c commander is very specific thoughprobably because not every card is your commander, let alone 5c
>>96893296You need to have all 5 basic land types, thats at least 1 more card
>>96893335If you're playing 5C you should already have this just off your duals
Pussy won't post rosettes
Is it plausible to run her with a bunch of Threaten effects to blow up other people's commanders via the legend rule?
>>96893339So you agree with me that you still need more cards then
>>96893359>AAAAIIIEEE ALL COMBOS NEED ARTIFACT/LAND MANA TO WORK
>>96893359You just need to be running a 5C deck and have a somewhat decent boardstate. That's all. Then you win then and there.
>>96893324isn't the new leyline the other half?
> Agree to play B3 decks> I play Baral and Kari spells> Get a pretty weak hand> opponent plays green card to force me to generate GG in phase 1> other opponent mills everyone for like 10 cards> I treasure cruise into Temporal Trespass and proceed to take multiple extra turns and have a 20 minute turn where I kill everyone slowly
>>96893335>>968933592 card combos dont exist then dishonest nigger retard
>>96891970>The goal of that deck isn’t to winThen why are you this mad about not winning?
>>96893400It helps IF you start with it, but it isn't necessary and frankly it's not even worth the bother, as it's basically dead on hand otherwise.
>>96892250>>96893135>>96893343What drives a man to act this way you figure?
>>96893135This is the pic I took from the back the same day, I had a guy at my store use the cool gem light thingy and he confirmed it was real so that was good enough for me (I've actually never seen the dot)
>>96892564Probably Hakbal. He works, there's no doubt about that. But I never really get as much fun out of the deck like I do with some of my other decks. Always feels like it's just on the cusp of being fun and cool but not exactly there. Maybe if there were some new merfolk.
>>96893386>>96893411>You just need your 5C commander and other specific cards out for it but its still a 2 card combo I swear ong
>>96891970Weren't you literally playing for packs? People are pulling all stops here, nigga.
>>96893433It's not any kind of specific card, you just need to be doing well. A 5C deck is obviously going to have all land types, otherwise it's just not going to work as a 5C deck. The requirement is "you control your commander and your deck is playable."
>>96892626Pretty often. I'd say at least a third of the time. Some players more often than others.
>>96893433>first sliver from command zone turn 5 into tibalt's trickery into reshape the earth into all gates and threaten to win turn 6? nah man that's b2/3 legal because it's multiple cards
>>96893446i swear the anons here rules lawyering because of autism "muh lands count as combo pieces!" are the worst kinds
>>96893074Based. I love this card. I love having it as a Reveilark target and basically locking out anyone from casting spells for the rest of the game.
>>96891885>people i used to play withWonder why you still dont play with them
>>96891994Of course the retard who doesnt realize instant speed cost reduced bombs are scary also agrees that everything should be free.
>>96892970How does this work with Kelsein? If you tap Kelsein to target a creature wouldn't Horobi go on the stack and destroy the creature you targeted with Kelsein before he can do his damage? And if he doesn't do his damage he wouldn't get his experience counter, right?
>>96893433I have no idea what youre talking about but lands generally arent really included in card combos like that anon!
>>96893468Yes, you have it right. Would ruin it.
>>96893468right, horobi triggers first so kelsien's own trigger fizzles
>>96893455but the lands are part of the rules text on the card so retards like you cant complain about that. >>96893446>anon doesnt know about most people just stuffing 5c decks with gold lands most of the time and using a very minimal amount of duals/triomes
>>96893484>>96893448
>>96893477>>96893482Had a feeling that's how it would work but wasn't sure. Thanks anons.
given that DragonShields are the new shit tier sleeves, what other options are there in regards to good outer sleeves, something of the quality DS used to had
>>96893448how are you ensuring Tibalt's Trickery hits anything you actually want in?
>>96893498Unironically yes, go nuts nigger turn 6 wins were definitely listed as B3 you moron
>>96893507because your first sliver deck is just tibalt's trickery, reshape the earth, all the gates, maze's end, and all the multicolor lands you can jam in>in4 pantlaza combo from cz can shit up b2 pods because muh multiple cards
>>96893517And how are you getting 8 mana on turn 5?
>>96891459I just love verdant force and verdant force that untaps lands and is a dragon is cool
>>96893514>someone didn't read the brackets rulesexpecting that decks can win 6 doesn't mean using a deck that's guaranteed to win turn 6 in b3 you retard>first sliver isn't even the fastest, you clearly don't know about godo's ugly cousin
>>96893517Are you going to do fucking nothing for 7 turns straight?What if you *draw* Reshape the Earth?
>>96893530Right youre going to be winning on a much later turn
>>96893535i'll take my ~95% winrate deck vs timmy's first b2 tokens deck thank you very much because you're this much of an autist
>>96893530What happens if your Tibalt's Trickery mills out Reshape?What happens if someone counters your Tibalt's?What happens if someone exiles off the top of your deck with a theft effect or just mills Reshape or Tibalt out?This is the least guaranteed win I can imagine
Are there any decent Amy Rose decks yet?
>>96893541How is it ever going to be 95% win rate when you literally do nothing for five turns straight while three players are free to whale on you all they want?
>>96893544>>96893541ecks dee>>96893539picrel
>>96893547>just twust me bwo im gonna have it each time
>>96893547If someone counterspells your Tibalt you've lost then and there nigga.
>>96893555>i always have the counterspell
>>96893554>>96893555the duality of /edhg/
This card should be playable in a mono white deck because you can play it for only white mana.It should also be usable as a commander because it's a legendary creature.
>>96893569I'd assume 3 players that have been watching you do nothing for 5 turns with a cascade commander are going to have some sort of stack interaction on hand.Or, better yet, that they'll beat you to death in the 5 turns you spent doing literally nothing.
>>96893502Card Barrier Hyper Mats from Japan.
>>96893579How many threads are you gonna do gay angle shooting gotcha stuff about color identity?
>>96893579Fuck I hate what the Phyrexian thing did to a lot of these planes. Are all of the Theros gods dead except for Ephara now?
>>96893602Supposedly yes, since the Phyrexians compleated them by going for their worshippers (single most interesting thing to ever happen in Theros to be honest) and these were presumably killed with the fall of Phyrexia .
>>96893580>all your 3 opponents run interactionthis is hilarious when you have an anon earlier arguing that coalition victory is too much for b2 haha
>>96893613Anon it's not all 3 opponents running interaction. Is you telegraphing a swing for 5 turns straight and doing nothing otherwise and nobody killing you or even getting ready for it. Come on.
So what's the plan, Slivertard? Mull down to nothing trying to guarantee you have Tibalt's?
>>96893613I'd argue CA is just too much for B2 because B2 is a poorfag category and you need to dump cash to have a decent investment in your manabase for it
>>96893429>>96892827That is insane condition for such an old card. How much did it come to?
>>96893541How is it 95% win rate? You're going to spend 5 turns doing nothing. One player can kill you in 5 turns of you doing nothing, nevermind 3. You have no interaction so you can't do shit about it. You have to wait a whole turn for the Maze to untap, so they can just unload on you with their full boards before you reach turn 6. This is a 5% winrate deck at best.
>>96893625>my opponents can kill me turn 5 +90% percent of the time>we have the god draw kill everytime you know?try to run a combo commander from the cz and you'll understand why b4 has now been legitimized as a bracket
I am looking to try the Zur, eternal schemer + out of time idea I have seen floating around here. Would someone with experience with the deck please help me out with a Zur decklist that facilitates this combo? Thanks in advance
>>96893611And yet we only got Heliod as a compleated card. Feels like an impressive mix of missed opportunity and squandering of what elements they already had at the same time. They could have at least given the gods cards if they were going to toss them so easily off screen.
>>96893638>>my opponents can kill me turn 5 +90% percent of the timeIf I do literally nothing for 5 turns straight, yes. I don't think you understand this, if they swing at you with a handful of creatures each turn you die because you left yourself completely open for 5 turns straight, and then you'll make yourself public enemy number one for 1 whole turn.
>>96893653This is literally what WotC does in all stories>Builds up event forever>Offscreens characters and pretends it's dramatic
>>96893672damn why is simic so hated when every opponent can kill the ramp guy on demand?!
Fucking CRINGE ASS card, everytime i see it played it’s always by some retard who reads and explains the card like the table are 5 year old mentally challenged children. Always with a “hehehe look at my cool interaction that some lame ass youtuber showed to me, now all you guys are in for some action!!1!”. If you play this and think is ((((cool)))) legit kys.
>>96893653I mean yeah the set wasn't about Theros, of course they didn't devote all that much attention to it when there were like 40 planes to make cards for. Hell, Theros got like 20 cards, twice as much as fuckin Ravnica, it got plenty of attention (attention it didn't deserve because it sucks ass, F-tier plane).
What are some wincons to run in a mono white stax deck?
>>96893689This card is peak edh lol 10/10 design. Sorry you hate the format
>>96893683A Simic deck that leaves itself open for 5 turns straight doing absolutely nothing is in fact never an issue in any table ever. If I swing my command
>>96893689you're right but also wrong because it feels like half of edh players are about as smart as 5 year olds. can't count. can't read. can't do basic threat assessment. a lot of players do actually literally need this one spelled out for them because TCGs attract a lot of retards.
>>96893700Makes me sad that youre probably right. Oh well…
>>96893702>A Simic deck that leaves itself open for 5 turns straight doing absolutely nothing is in fact never an issue in any table ever. If I swing my commandspeak up kingnext time when some anon speaks up about the fairest color combo in edh i'll just repeat what you said and that'll be the end of it
>>96893717Anon, a deck that does nothing for 5 turns and then plays Aesi will fucking die. Are you genuinely kidding me on this?
every day I have prayed that dockside won't get unbanned
>>96893723simic is as strong as mono white, got it
>>96893727Each player just needs to deal you 14 damage for you to die. What kind of table are you playing with that can't deal 14 damage over 6 turns to an utterly defenseless opponent? What is this, bracket level -4?
>>96893727do you guys play with precons and take out all the creatures or something
>>96893740damn who knew voltron and aggro were top tierthey should up cmd damage to 28 and life to 50
Simic being too strong has to be the most B1 opinion ever
>>96893756again, what kind of pod are you playing with that 14 damage by turn 6 is considered aggroIf i have one bear i can deal 10 in 5 turns. are you playing against toddlers
>>96893632I literally had to use an image compressor because for no reason this was 20mb. I don't believe this counts the tax and shipping.
>>96893756>>96893717Please post a deck you actually play i suspect it'll be fantastic
>>96893700Design-wise I agree in it being intersting, and the art is also very cool. But man, it’s ALWAYS a smug retard playing it thinking they’re making the coolest play ever. Now THIS right here is peak EDH design, even tho it was printed before EDH was a thing.
>>96893762my bear makes chuds concede turn 3
>>96893774>have a spell that doesnt need to cast a lot of spells after establishing a board state>know that enchantments are the hardest to removethis just seems like effective stax play, provided you got the stuff to not get runover (mogg maniac)
You know, speaking of green draw. Ran into the dilemma of picrel when building Teval (the interesting one).
>>96893787yeah basically.
>>96893787Your commander gives everything delve. That's what you should be focusing on. Drop fucking Rise of the Dark Realms or Tooth and Nail the second that shit hits the board.
>>96893784Yeah it stax, but it’s gambling addiction fuelled fun stax. The coinflip is always a scary and fun moment. It’s not the “you have to have 46 extra mana if you want to play the game” kind of stax.
>>96893799>Win in the most boring way possible playing generic bombs that could have slotted in any ramp deckNah.
>>96893807If you want to play with a brick of a lifelinker run Dromoka
>>96893764>he was sitting on proof this entire time
>>96893818Make me
>>96893774>>96893802Based honest and symetrical fun stax player.
>>96893429>posts a low res pic IN a top loader so you can't see shitNigga flexing fake cards lmao
>>96893764I too can use Excel
>>96893764Show the seller.
>2020+5>people still acting like green hasnt had the best card draw in format for yearslol lmaoare you also gonna tell me that white has the best removal still because of like 3 cards thatll never be reprinted in a standard set again
>>96893871Cant you track someone if you know the item and seller?
>>96893884>green player casts return of the wildspeaker>kill his timmysaur>just spent 5 mana for nothing>now has nothinggreen card draw is a blowout haymaker that you counter like a hoof except any color can do it. green suffers if wants to do anything other than turn sideways (the worst wincon in the game)
>>96893893If you are the fucking seller, sure. But then you know who the fucking seller is and who you sold items to.If you're not the fucking seller, then no, no one can use that fucking information for that.
>>96893905Huh I always avoid posting my stuff because of that
>>96893787I've become extremely bored of green power = draw. Its making it difficult to play the color at all given my collection
>>96893807Cringe nah poster
>>96893871When I get home I'll edit out my friend's name/address from the receipt thing and post it. Watching the Bills at my old mans
>>96893895>Just kill the timmysaur
>>96893724I still have 5 Dockside. The unban can't come soon enough
>>96893936This is very mid in edh
>>96893936>i'll outvalue green and you can't stop me>boardwipe.dec? comboing off asap? no, those are for the real timmies
>>96893764>$1000 for a card>when you can buy a bootleg that's virtually identical, made of the same material, and in all respects a perfect copy for $2Sometimes I wonder why people pay money for "official cardboard".
>>96893991i dont do it for new products but i do like the history to cards printed in the 90s. damaged copies are a lot cooler to me than things kept in some case for their whole life.
>>96893991I like real cards, especially cool parts of the history of the game. I'm hoping to get an Abyss, a Nether Void, and maybe one day a Mishra's Workshop (and an Invoke Prejudice)
>>96889761Anyone know where I might be able to find a higher rez of this card art? I've always wanted a playmat with this art on it
>>96894005I've got a demonic tutor from Revised that I got as a kid. It's definitely worn, but no tears or damage to it. That being said I still won't pay any more than $10 for a card.
>>96893911That's solid opsec, but it probably won't ever actually matter. I mean the worst that could happen is the seller knows you're a loser on 4chan, but then so is he so it doesn't matter.
>>96894017Aren't you a neet?
>>96893991i'm not saying you should blow off $1k on cardboard but the prices of shocklands are within the spending limits of nerds; using fakes can give off an icky feeling of being poor to some peopletry giving your gf/wife a fake luxury bag and see her reaction to it
>>96894040More or less, I never buy my really big ticket cards. I think the most expensive card I ever bought was like... Gaea's Avenger. My other big ones were pretty much all gifts.
>>96894042what she wont know wont hurt her, the same thing applies to proxies
>>96894082>you have to lie to yourself to make the illusion worksome people are just born honest i guess
>>96893807you can win however you want, you can build it around additional costs like multikicker or squad so the life you lose is low even when you delve for 50
>>96894087its a game about cardboard squares going sideways if you want to masturbate your ego by paying full price go ahead
>>96894080What are the big gifts and from who?
>>96894104and art is just pixels; if artists want to deny the inevitable and whine then sure they can go ahead too
>>96894142My mom>Survival of the Fittest>Tolarian Academy (way way way back when it was $20)>entire set of The Dark ($80 dollars, sold a JTMS for it)Axel>Chains of MephistophelesRuth>OG Flooded Strand>Vampiric Tutor>3x Urza's Saga>An entire Modern Tron deck>Tundra>Binder full of cool stuffC.Brian>Polluted Delta (Expeditions)Pheer>Flip Sephiroth
want to update my sigarda host of herons deck a bit and was going through the recommended creatures on edhrec. they list most of the usual enchantress cards but not sythis. is there a reason why?
>>96894215People who own Sythis and play selesnya enchantress are probably just playing Sythis as the commander.
>>96894222its still better than verduran enchantress. but I see your point
>>96893776Me 2nd from the left
Hybrid mana should only count for both colors in the command zone.Twobrid mana should only count for color identity in the command zone.Color indicators should only count for color identity in the command zone.
>>96891472That's my Bilbo birthday celebrant deck to a T, with shot cards like second breakfast and shortcut to mushrooms just because they're on theme even though they're shit.
>>96894245hybrid are multicolor cards that can be played in mono color (colorless is not a color, so no beseech the queen in zhulodok)there, just as gavin intended>it's already been decided long ago just so you know
>>96894245Nah.
>>96894253They are rapidly trying to ruin the identifying qualities of this format
if we went back to restricting what kind of mana you can generate 90% of these arguments would disappear. Beseech the Queen is 6 cost in any deck unable to generate black. Hybrid mana can be played mono-white as long as you can generate the mana required to play themIf your deck can't generate white or black mana you can never pay Extort even if you steal a card with it or somehow give the keyword to non Orzhov cards.bonus points it also nerfs treasure tokens. Cards that steal and explicitly say "mana can be spent as if it was any color" will still work but anything that doesn't you now need to be WUBRG to guarantee it works.
>>96894272Yes, I agree.
>>96894042But why would you spend ~$10 on a basic shock when you could get whatever fancy print in foil for $2? My point is it all looks and feels 100% identical (save for the green orb test). The only difference you get is some sort of bizarre pride for blowing money on the "official" cardboard.
Ashnod. Bit of both Brothers War precons mixed together, bit of some other fun stuff in there too. I call this deck:Rock and Bauble Torture
>>96894287>god owning cool things is so bizarreAutism
>>96894215Let's see your current listIn general I personally look at edhrec to make sure my list is somewhat unique, not to just copy a popular build.
>>96894284"Oh no generating colorless mana will be too easy" is a really hilarious concern in hindsight from the people who put a Sol Ring in every single precon box. Sol Ring is unironically so strong in vintage cube pro players will often pick it over straight up Power 9 cards
>>96894287>why do people even pay for songs and movies? you can just pirate them for free!
>>96894287Proxies don't replicate foil patterns perfectly at all, especially not the more complex ones.
>>96894311people pay for songs because they want to support the artist. I can totally understand paying for a signed print of your favorite magic card art or buying playmats, but that's not the same as giving a thousand dollars to some random on the secondary market.
>>96894313people still act as if counterfeiters don't have a vested interested in making their fakes distinguishable by the naked eye (so long as you know where to look ofc), as if there wasn't a practical reason for doing that
>>96894310Believe it or not, when 20 cards in your deck make colorless mana instead of 1-3, it becomes a lot easier to cast them.
>>96894272and it will take approximately 3 months before WotC starts printing a bunch of generic "mana can be spent as any color" stapled onto the effects of older legendaries just so they can force everyone to buy those
>>96894325I have no idea what you're trying to argue.
>>96894320>it's fine to support artists because i can see their faces whine online so i feel compelled>it's not ok to support random resellers because they're an unknown that i can easily dehumanize
>>96894327>when 20 cards in your deck make colorless mana instead of 1-3There are so many sources of colorless mana already that it's a non issue, you could have every single land and mana rock be producing colorless if you want
>>96894311Unironically true tho
>>96894313So far the usual bootleg sellers (NOT those cheapo proxy sites) can perfectly replicate regular, etched, and surge foil. They haven't gotten the other foil effects down (halo, fractal, confetti, etc).>>96894344I think his point is that directly supporting the creator of a thing is one thing, but throwing cash at some random guy who is making a profit off of the creator's creation is another thing.
>>96894253see >>96893579
>>96894351because if the thing is free, (You) are the product
>>96894272I agree but I'm a member of the old guard. Edh has fully become commander and it's time to accept it.
>>96894354reminder that mtg works as a legal form of gambling so to buy singles from resellers so that they continue gambling is perfectly ethical
if a 6 mana/3 treasure tutor is genuinely something you're concerned becoming meta, I can only assume you're playing with downgraded precons.
>>96894342>if counterfeiters made things perfectly 1:1 then how are they going to differentiate their fakes from the real thing>it's almost like they need a failsafe so that fakes doesn't crash the market and render the whole operation useless
>>96894366You are the product regardless dumdum. Youre just a sucker for paying money to get it
>>96894383That shit is why I'll never support them. My LGS gives boosters as prizes for sanctioned games (and I've used bootlegs AND passed inspections with them despite them being not allowed). In the ~4 years I've been playing sanctioned events, I've gotten ONE good hit out of a booster (Agatha's soul cauldron). Other than that, the average value of boosters I won as prizes were like under a dollar each. I feel infinitely happier by phoning up Chang for some $2 cards to build a fancy $2000 deck for liek $100 at most.>>96894405The failsafe is that while bootlegs do have the regular card backs, it's obvious to tell they're fake if you have a loupe. They never pass the green orb test, and they almost always fail the "teeth" test on the bottom of the letters. Even the bootleg sellers themselves say they have no interest in making cards that can pass these tests (largely for legal reasons, I assume).
>>96894411if everyone's proxying then who's the buyer of us walking products kekw
>>96894405Why would counterfeiters care about that, they would profit from their cards having resale value.The reality is just that it's extremely difficult if not impossible to 100% recreate any sort of holographic pattern effect.
>>96894197Which ones have you fucked?
>>96894042Anti-proxy is basically pro-counterfeit
>>96893776>in response I cast
>>96894418>can proxy anything that passes the inspection of a tired judge>still pays and plays in sanctioned events>to win real cards that he can proxyi don't mind you proxying don't get me wrong, but there's a reason why it can't be mainstream
So now that the ATLA dust has settled, and zero refs to Korra / the movie exist, can we safely assume that Star Trek wont include the cancer spinoffs?
>>96894451Star Trek is all spinoffs at this point
>>96894443In response I play "neckbreak"
>>96894427counterfeiters care because the only reason their fakes have any value to make it worth their while to print them (in a nonshitty way btw, not just plastering stickers on basic lands) is because they work as stand ins for the real thingmake reals and fakes indistinguishable, and you crash the whole thing>i can tell your political leanings just by your lack of economic understanding btw
>>96894463Probably shouldn't promote people to make counterfeits by being anti-proxy
>>96894444>proxyingBootlegs =/= proxies. Bootlegs are intended to pass as real (same print, foil, paper, thickness, weight, etc as a real card), while proxies are much cheaper quality and obviously not real.That being said, it's never going to be mainstream. It's like telling your friends to torrent showes/movies instead of paying for [insert streaming service here]. You'll get some combo of "idk how to do that" and "omg but that's a crime!!!".People here though should be smart enough to understand buying """official cardboard""" is a scam though.
>>96894430His mom
>>96894427>The reality is just that it's extremely difficult if not impossible to 100% recreate any sort of holographic pattern effect.This doesn't make any sense to me? Wouldn't every printing place WOTC uses have a different sort of stamp then?
>>96894456
>>96894465>Probably shouldn't promote people to make counterfeit money by being anti-poor
Is Urzatron worth putting in a commander deck or is it just going to be a liability?
>>96894272>extortThis will never happen because they will never consider reminder text "text on the card.">You can't use that cause it has a white/black symbol!Not on my borderless reprint version.
>>96894468you're talking to some midwit friends thenbecause i'd be the first to tell you piracy isn't a pricing problem, but a service problemand yes, wotc is delivering a shitty servicehas a lot to do with hasbro being deadweight though
>>96894475If you shit on obvious proxies and prevent people from using them then the likely outcome isn't that they begrudgingly buy 1000 dollar cards or quit. Instead they'll just buy ultra-convincing counterfeits to fool you. Instead of some anime slop proxy with "PROXY" printed on it.Being anti-proxy and creating an anti-proxy atmosphere just encourages me to get indistinguishable fakes rather than obvious proxies.
>>96894451anon you want there to be spinoffs included because otherwise instead of 1 star trek set, you'll get 1 set every 2 years for the next decade
>>96894451We already saw a Martok art, so at minimum we're going TNG/DS9/VOY era
>>96894481I don't think you understand that post. They don't need to change the reminder text and even on borderless reprints it still functions identically. If you are INCAPABLE of ever generating white or black mana, you can never pay Extort. It doesn't matter if you use a full art reprint, the actual keyword still requires you pay in either white or black mana....if your commander doesn't let you generate white or black mana it's bricked for you. This is already how mana generation used to work in the format, that post is saying we should go back to that rule.
>>96894488>If you shit on obvious proxiesofc i will, because i'm just a rando at an lgs, not your friend>they'll just buy ultra-convincing counterfeits to fool youwhich they would've done regardless of my sentiments (because i'm not the only rando in the lgs after all), because they want to win at all costs despite their lack of budget>yes they will go that far, even paying for an event to win real cards that they can just proxy>yes the lgs still profited from you, kekwbeing anti-proxy actually improves the proxying situation (you were going to proxy anyway, remember?) because at least we don't have to suffer our eyes looking at your shit proxies, win-win
>>96894473>WOTC puts out survey to figure out why Spiderman failed>one of the questions is "did some youtube person tell you spiderman was bad"They're straight up trying to merk people for shittalking them.
>>96894465Spotted the esl <3
>>96894504This doesn't make sense. That isn't how the rules work. Extort doesn't actually say "hybrid" anywhere at all.
>>96894505Not the guy you're arguing with, but why the fuck should someone's personal wealth (or willingness to spend it on cards) determine their ability to play?
>>96894477On its own without tutors or synergy? Probably not worth.With tutors and synergy? Go for it.
>>96894511>state you learned from the set entirely from youtubers>also say you hate the set>shocked they want to know if the youtubers were whyData collecting is worthless if you avoid uncomfortable questions to protect feefees.
>>96894463You're utterly delusional if you think chinese forgers give a single shit about this, there's a reason they're constantly working to improve fake PSA slabs or why people were using the method to open slabs without breaking them to extraxt 10s and replace them with lesser cards or fakes.Anyone who sells counterfeits instead of obvious proxies is essentially trying to faciliate scams and would sell perfect copies in a heartbeat if they could.
>>96894354This anon is literally a shill lmao>all ou- I mean their products perfectly match!
>>96894522because mtg is a luxury hobby for nerds and not just "game pieces"yes some things in life you can't enjoy because you're poor, why is this wisdom so hard to grasp?
I hate when you autists do one of these 400 post arguments. I'm not spending all day reading the thread to figure out where your autism begins. Fuck off with your Moby Dick length arguments.
>Be me>Counterfeit seller>Every other counterfeiter conspires to leave calling cards on their cards, making them detectable>Notice huge open market for flawless counterfeits of $6000 cards>Could sell counterfeits at profit until $6000 card is devalued to point it's priced equal to cost of materials and processing>...Nah gotta maintain that secondary market value. It was in my WotC handbook that nobody wants cards unless they're super rare.
> why yes I DO gatekeep people based on their willingness amd ability to spend money, how did you know?
>>96894538See I'd buy that argument if we were talking about something like a fancy sportscar or whatever, because at least a fancy sportscar is something that requires dedication and expensive components to make. Meanwhile a piece of cardboard doesn't have any fucking value. At the end of the day it's some ink on paper that anyone can make on their own, and the only thing that "prevents" this is pinkertons.
>>96894539It's a debating technique called gish-galloping, when someone isn't good at arguing or just finds himself in a losing position they will write increasingly long replies in an attempt to essentially spam the opposition into shutting up because they don't wanna bother replying to endless filler points for hours.
>>96894554>gatekeepGate keepers physically prevented entry to people. You're just a prick.
>>96894488>illegal thing should be legal cause ill do it anyway and I dont wanna feel guilt so just make it legalHoly FEMBRAIN lmao
>>96894308https://archidekt.com/decks/17018975/sigardathis deck hasnt been updated in 10 years
>>96894516>This doesn't make sense. That isn't how the rules work. Extort doesn't actually say "hybrid" anywhere at all.I think you need to go back and re-read the entire conversation anon>>96894272>if we went back to restricting what kind of mana you can generate 90% of these arguments would disappear.IN YE OLDE DAYS, the Mana you were capable of generating was limited to your commander's actual casting cost and you could never generate mana of other colors. If you would somehow generate mana of a color you didn't have it got filtered to colorless. Thus, if you were playing a mono-red commander for example, you could never pay the Extort price for any cards you stole or somehow got the keyword on.It has nothing to do with reminder text or not. The actual rules of Extort are "Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay {W/B}. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain life equal to the total life lost this way."If your deck cannot generate white or black mana and any attempts to do so result in colorless, you can never pay for Extort. This is how the game used to work, that post is saying we should return to those rules.
>>96894526The point is that they want to know WHO gave you the wrong think
>>96894555nobody is buying real P9s for sports car prices though, why bring up that point?yes these are just cardboard, but remember that you're a nerd that is willing to spend some money on other nerd things like gaming had mtg not existed - what does it matter what the hobby is made out of, whether it's cardboard or pixels or whatever? - so the prices of cards align to the normal expenditures of the average white single male nerd accordinglyi'm not defending wotc and their pinkerton shit btw, just saying how the economics of luxury things work
>>96894522Because if youre a lazy fuck who cant afford cards you probably dont deserve to have fun. My goodness, things cost time, which in our society is money! Yeah it sucks but the alternative is chopping down trees yourself, grinding them up into pulp, making paper (which yours would be dogshit) and then making ink etc. Fuck sakes. You pay for people's labor, you arent above it. Just like you want your labor paid for. Kill yourself you retarded fucking zoomer. Life itself is pay to play.
>>96894528>>96894552>ha we'll just counterfeit P9s then! take that!yes yes and i'm sure actual buyers of P9 aren't aware of this and that the chinese are going to be earning well above $5000 a month aaaaannytime nooooww
I'm a literal neet and I'm about to finish my second ~$300 deck soon (started in august).You really can't be too poor for the game unless you're a literal hobo or wanna play CEDH in high level tournaments.
>>96894601Who said P9?
>>96894584>but remember that you're a nerd that is willing to spend some money on other nerd things like gaming had mtg not existed>tfw I use bootleg cards>tfw I pirate every movie, TV show, game, book, and so on>tfw I haven't paid for anything entertainment related in years
>>96894589I'm not paying for people's labor, though. paying for people's labor is at best 0.1% of the price of cards.
>>96894567you were going to call him a prick anyway so serves you right for being gatekept roru rumao
>>96894601Why did you tag my post in this as if your reply related to it in any way?
>>96894577They ask about who you watch before the question on any negativity.I will bet you a cradle that no one is going to be punished as they have never done so before. And Disney's opinion is moot as they are locked in contract.
>>96894511>>96894526I answered honestly that I like Marvel and hate all UB but honestly I wish I'd had a list of shortform content magitubers to throw under the bus.Fucking hate those guys. Even if theyre just being neutral about a product, merely making a video on it is promotion, and I want every one of the fuckers blacklisted by WotC so they have to go get real jobs
>>96894617But no one physically prevented me from playing, talking, or entering a store? So I am objectively not gate kept?You're weird.
Stealing things you don't want to pay for is peak nerd culture, and by extent, an MtG player's duty.
>>96894609>yes i consume media for free>i wonder who's paying for all that though>eh whatever, i'll just shit on people with more disposable income than mekekypow
>>96894613You are in fact paying for people's labor. Youre paying for the artist. Youre paying for the technicians that run the production lines. Youre paying for the game designers time and effort etc. Please, like I said, kill yourself you worthless entitled zoomer.
>>96894625>real jobsIt isn't like designing card games is a real job either. Making games isn't a job.
>>96893931>Bills beat KC 28-21How likely is he to actually post it?
>>96894608This is my favorite go-to expensive card to show people. Everyone knows about the Black Lotus but no one is expecting some random land from over 30 years ago to be over $2k
>>96894635>Making games isn't a job.More real than talking to a camera and getting some tech company to pay you a disproportionate amount of money for getting people to spend more time on their site which they equate to more time watching ads
>>96893931>American sportsgross
>>968946351. Whats a real job?2. Post a paystub of some sort.
>>96894631>an MtG>he pronounces/thinks it "emm tee gee" or he's esl
>>96894640Not really. Who invented marketed and made tons of money off chess? They just made it. Same with the majority of sports."I design games" is not a job.>>96894642A real job is jobs that existed prior to 1750
>>96894628why would they? as long as you've bathed and your proxies aren't shit people can always use a punching bag to beat up on, (You) are the product
>>96894633The money that pays for all of these people's wages is, again, at best 0.1% of the cards' value. The rest goes to paying Hasbro, a company so mismanaged I could set the money on fire and accomplish more in terms of productivity and contribution to the world.
>>96894637It's wild how some barely discussed cards can have over the moon prices.>that'll be $2,000 for a menorah
>>96894647So.... game/toy maker?
>>96894648I don't think you actually know what gatekeeping is.
>>96894655lol, yep
>toss this outBow to my wealth
>>96894608>ha you said P9 instead of being hyper specific to include cards like tabernacle? take that!oof you sure got me lol>>96894637i always say contract from below whenever casuals talk about the strongest card ever and i still haven't met a casual that wasn't surprised by that
>>96894641Football has really grown on me as a fun thing to watch with my dad, I recommend it if you know a fan and wanna chill with them. It's quick to pick up the basics and enjoy>>96894636GO BILLS>>96893871I don't really know what information can be gleaned from an Order Number, but I removed the exact postal codes and the full name of my buddy Axel. Left in seller, left in price, etc.>>96894664I want one of these so fucking bad
>>96894654Youre retarded anon. The money goes to pay the people I mentioned and we can simply look at the revenue of both companies to see this 0.1% number youre throwing around is retarded. Everything that isnt profit goes back to compensating people's labor. Some of that labor may be more abstract in your mind but it is all associated with the cost of designing printing and shipping magic sets. Kill yourself retarded zoomer. This is how everything works in existence. Nothing is worth what its base material cost is for a myriad of reasons. You can plug your ears close your eyes and go la la la la la but it doesnt change anything.
>>96894658you sure seem very upset that people don't like poorfags though
>>96894665Holy shit I hate textless cards. That one tournament Urza's Saga is the most offensive by far. Yes I know it by heart, but I shouldn't have to memorize entire cards.
>>96894665I am stunned by the stupidity of some people honestly. The value of this card can only go down as the other infinite stones are printed. Its effect isn't even good, so it's being bought just because its a rare print, but its print becomes less rare when 4 more cards in that cycle come outIf any of the stone are better than Soul, it drops in value too.What a retarded "investment"
>>96894567>Gate keepers physically prevented entry to people.Wow, thank you for the etymology lesson, old man. Whats that? Your Taiga was made in Taiwan? Into the shredder it goes. Guess you'll have to slide on over to the B2 pod, until you get a real job.
>>96894668>he puts his fucking name as Andrew SwordbroThis has to be a trollAlso whose credit card did you steal for that shit? Your "friend" isn't even in the same fucking state
>>96894675The money WotC gains goes to financing and keeping Hasbro afloat. It pays wages not only of WotC employees, who I can argue deserve it, but it also pays the astronomical salaries of idiotic execs, divisions that do nothing but guzzle money endlessly for no return, and worthless properties.
>>96894668>someone>a human being>a person with means>bought a fucking NM Chains of Mephistopheles>from a legitimate seller>to send to ANDREW. SWORDBRO.>SO HE CAN TRIPFAG ABOUT HOW COOL IT IS
>>96894668>10 day free shipping on a $1000 card
>>96894692that's just you hating how corporations work and nothing to do with why proxies can never be "normalized"
>>96894668>Andrew Swordbro
>>96894700>gets lost in the mail
>>96894678Fucking no one is ever going to play this in a tournament, anon. It's worth anywhere from 20 to 40k
>>96894692>in a way more abstract than you can understandIts okay to be low IQ anon but being retarded isnt an actual position. Like it or not all those people are involved.
>>96894681reminder that investments aren't in singles, but in boxes that allow people to gamble on singles>the product isn't the cardboard, but the gambling
>>96894451M8 the cards have been finalized like 8 mo agoShit is going to be a dumpster fire
>>96894705I obviously know proxies aren't going to be normalized. But it's absurd to say the money spent on packs and precons and the like goes to the actual employees of WotC who make the game; most of it is definitely guzzled by the black hole of money that owns It and of every dollar they make I doubt the actual employees of that company see a dime.
>>96894668>$1000>Andrew Swordbro>from bumfuck kentucky>from JC (jesus christ)>an entire state away>TEN DAY SHIPPING FOR FREE THO
>>96894573This deck looks sick desu>auratogLmao
>>96894668IT SHOULDN'T BE REALYOU TOLD ME IT WASN'T REAL
>>96894678https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCNzqHFZayg you'll love this, then
>>96894668How much fucking dick did you have to suck for this?
>>96894668>KentuckySorry for your loss
>>96894668
>>96894740I have no fucking idea why I included it back then. yeah I will take it out lol
Was Urza gay?
>>96894780yes
>>96894780well he was evil
>>96894780Asexual, probably. He treated sex like a chore he was expected to do.
>>96894678one day there will be enough textless cards to make an edh deck, and it will be hilarious
>>96894721People spent $36,000 on that single
>>96894824I really don't know of any verified confirmed sales of this card.
>>9689474510 day free shipping on a $1000 card most certainly is not real
>>96894833Sounds right for card sellers.
>>96894838The customer chooses the fucking shipping. No one in their right mind thinks "welp, I'm paying $50 in sales tax on this $1000 card, but I don't feel like paying $20 for insured shipping"
>>96894824i mean sure if you won the lottery and managed to sell it then greatbut it's best to be the one selling the shovelsit's not guaranteed that you will sell the card much less get it, but the booster packs/boxes were sold regardless
>>96894690I didn't pick the name, but since he's one of my small group of viewers from stream, he thought it would be "funne">>96894694More or less>>96894700You know what's worse? It was supposed to arrive on the 24th, right? But they fuckin' said they tried to deliver it and we weren't home (we were sitting in the living room waiting)So the next morning my mother and I drove to the post office to try and get them to give it to us. They had it packed into a truck that was ABOUT to go out but they stopped it and got it for us. It was a fiasco.>>96894710Yes>>96894736>Jesus christlaughed>>96894745it real>>96894754Surprisingly none>>96894759Aside from the rain that occasionally gets water in my basement, it's nice hereNow we can all stop pretending I support proxying lmao (no one will)
Can someone explain to me what a floodgate is? A yugioh guy i know is getting into magic and he asked if how common they are
>>96894881stax
>>96894881Effects that continously stop players from performing some game action, I think. You're supposed to either play one that blocks some game action your deck doesn't care about, or just slap it after you went first and finished doing what you want to do so your opponent can't do the same.
>>96894880>but since he's one of my small group of viewers from stream>A FUCKING VIEWER ON MY STREAM DROPPED 1K ON CARDBOARD FOR METhe lies get worse and worse lmao
>>96894939I see you have never seen how parasocial streaming gets. I've seen rich fucks toss 500 bucks at someone for the fuck of it.
>>96894668Dude.
>>96894951Yeah bro, it is entirely believable that of the 5 people that actually watch this retards streams, one of them asked for his address and sent him a $1000 card
>>96894965>5Damn his stream went down that much? It was like 80 a few years ago
Is this a good card in edh?
>>96894655>>96894664difference is candelabra of tawnos is still a good card, unlike juzam djinn
>>96895055No
>>96895055given how limp-dicked people are in randos when it comes to interaction: you'll get 2 cards max, maybe 3.
>>96894969When I quit DBD, it pretty much dried up to just the boys who have been around since the very beginning with Dark Souls. Now I just sorta play Tarkov or whatever I feel like>>96894939To figure out how much bits translate to, move the decimal point 2 to the left. Afrosoul is Axel. The Chains was done directly by him so imagine an extra 100,000 bits on top of this. Not to mention when he buys me food, games, or anything else.>>96895055Unironically, it can be useful if you want to lower the amount of interaction aimed at you, but as an actually *good* card, not really. Lots of easier ways to draw.
>>96895066>1,205,300>$12,053>plus $1000 for Chainswhat. the. fuck.
>>96895066>HE'S NOW SCREENCAPPING RANDOM PEOPLES TWITCH CHATSAhahahaaaaa
>>96895079Classic poopdickschizo post
Are there any other cards created specifically for commander which are banned in commander?https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/396/jeweled-lotusI've seen dockside extortionist mentioned, but this is the most embarassing example since its not usefull in other formats.cheapest version of this card is still like 30 dollars
>>96895079https://www.twitch.tv/swordbro_streamsit's real...
UB: WW1
>>96895086Dockside was specifically printed for commander so it is a correct example. As is any other card printed exclusively for commander decks and got banned.
>>96895087NOOOOOO! I'M NOT OWNED! I'M NOT OWNED!
>>96895087lmao those mantitties
>>96894668Bro what the fuck
There is no world in which swordsped has farmed like 50k off of bumming around on streams nobody watches. It didn't happen.
>>96895114Why are you in denial?
>>96895114>literally provable>proven in thread>didnt happenTw*tch viewers are lower than slugs, take this as a point of pride that you are a man.
>>96895086This and Rofellos unbanned.>turn one drop this>cast Azusa>use three mana for Azusa, drop three lands>cast Rofellos>one for Concordant Crossroads>tap rofl for three more>drop a lotus petal or use Chancellor of the Tangle>throw down Oracle of Mul Mul Daya>get another land off the top of your deckTurn two would be crazy.
>>96895125>>96895127Reminder he lives with his mother. I don't have to explain shit, but if he had literal tens of thousands of dollars being thrown at him he would not live the way he does.
>>96895137I'd very much accept free room and board
>>96895137>but if he had literal tens of thousands of dollars being thrown at him he would not live the way he does.Anon that makes it MORE likely that he'd stay with his mommy. Free food, no rent, tons of money to waste on autism hobbies. Think about it, he's like Chris-Chan probably and can't live on his own.
>>96895137Reminder that only Americans shame their people for continuing to live with family. The entire rest of the world isn't as retarded
>>96895157trvth nvke
what the fuck happened this thread?
>>96895239https://youtu.be/VdzsxEKwCHc?si=Z2qcpLit89q0hDsw
>>96895157>>96895164This isn’t even true
>>96895252Everything from the ? onwards is a tracking url and is not necessary for the link to work
>>96895295huh, neat
>>96895157Perhaps the Americans were right after all
>>96895307t. American
seems like a fair card
>>96895457lmao just have interaction
I've got a bunch of snow basics laying around. Anything fancy I can do with these? Most of them are Wastes
>>96895478Comfy Eldrazi with comfy snow lands.
>>96894776Its cool, thats a good reason Or at least it was
>>96895457>niggas will still refuse to pay the one
No one should pay the 1. You should just all agree to kill the rhystic player.
Imagine paying taxes in magic, couldn't be me
I think I'm gonna bake new. This thread can't die fast enough.
>>96895584>>96895584>>96895584
>>96895137>Reminder he lives with his mother. I don't have to explain shit, but if he had literal tens of thousands of dollars being thrown at him he would not live the way he does.Spotted the landlord.
>>96894880>my basementThere it is
>>96894567a prick is a physical hole made by a piercing. you are just a retard
>>96894668anons, how many game shops are there in KY to stalk through?
