>>96905713
Given that I am the local secret monger, I'd say so.

>>96905556
>amalgam of Protean and Dominate
what the fuck why would you get rid of one of the most iconic disciplines.

>>96905715
Have you seen the state of Mages lately? Consensus is a bitter pill. While the founders of Ceoris may have traded quintessence for blood, not every childer embraced was one who would awaken.

>>96905835
Because Paradox doesn't know how to make a ttrpg and they listened to larpers.

>>96905835
they got rid of -all- unique disciplines

>>96905835
This was their response to almost all single-clan or bloodline disciplines. They all became amalgams instead. The sole exception to this is Oblivion, which is a fusion of Giovanni Necromancy and Lasombra Obtenebration, used by the Hecata and Lasombra clans alike, which is why people can play Lasombra necromancers and Giovanni shaow monsters in V5, even though neither is in-character for characters of those clans.

I'd love to give Vampire the Requiem a shot, but CofD games just don't feel "alive" to me. They just feel so hollow and empty compared to WoD games.

Last night's HtV session went pretty well. The PCs spent a week recuperating from their wounds. In this time one of them had several PTSD flashbacks from a month-long Miserying at the hands of another Slasher, one was stalked in his dreams by a Werewolf telling him to fuck off, and another player was physically stalked by a Werewolf who also told them to fuck off out of the marshes. Could they be related? The Werewolf also warned them to stop dumping bodies in the marsh, but the PCs aren't dumping bodies in the marsh.

Once healed up, they immediately went back out into pitsea marsh to try and get the Vampire Killer once and for all. They located him eventually, stood naked at the foot of a dead tree with a large rock next to it. The rock looked to have beem carved at some point, but the PCs couldn't tell more from range. They opened fire immediately, hitting him three times with minimal effect. Thick drops of blackish brown blood oozed from his wounds. Zombies erupted from the marsh about them, all with medical tags on their ankles and wrists. The corpses looked fresh. One PC was pulled away from the combat when they heard their girlfriend screaming for help in the waters, as she rushed over she was accosted by two zombies skulking beneath the waters edge. The Will o' the Wisp continued to cry for help, everyone hearing different voices. But only she fell for it.

The Vampire Killer stepped behind a tree and vanished from site. He reappeared two turns later, ripping into the arm of our werewolf hunter with filthy fangs. Another zombie emerged from the foot of the tree, swollen and bloated, its legs seemed to have crusted and twisted into a tail almost, and it crawled and slithered towards them. After 11 shots into the Vampire Killer, the players began to wonder if they were missing something. He had only just been tipped into Aggravated damage. As the serpent zombie moved onto the PC who had been dogpiled by zombies, we had to call the session for time.

>>96905967
Does your desire to play the game not outweigh the work any GM or player would have to put into a game to make it feel alive?

>>96905967
Elaborate.

>>96905970
>After 11 shots into the Vampire Killer, the players began to wonder if they were missing something. He had only just been tipped into Aggravated damage.
You love to see it.

>>96905849
I see oblivion is still a thing shouldn't it be something stupid like fortitude&obfuscate. srsly what in the fuck how can you get rid of vicissitude the Tzimisce are a high clan and one of the OG. Every time I start reading into V5 I just get sadder madder and fucking confused.
fucking Swedes&paradox buy a god damn IP and keep fucking everything up repeatedly over and over again. How the fuck does this company make billions of dollars selling nonstop sub5$ micro-dlc everyone pirates.

Holy shit I pray some koranimals declare jihad on them and raid the building cleansing it in the name of allah feces be upon him. beheading everyone inside and burning everything especially the fucking heads of management and the board.

God M5 is going to be terrifying no wonder they have not spoken about it or shown anything off yet. Mage is without a doubt going to get gutted and butchered the most. No more cool autistic reality warping magic. Enjoy your shitty hedge magic have fun getting above 3 dots in any magic. Awakening means finding out magic is real no more avatars no more x. Far too complete for modern ttrpg players need to make it simple as fuck

>>96905999
oblivion is a fusion of necromancy and obtenebration just like how "blood sorcery" is actually quietus (no paths) with some random thaumagury abilities as power picks, but a character only pick 5 power in total from a discipline and a lot of rituals need specific powers and also some powers even need a previous power so all oblivion really does is bann you from learning both shadow and death magic for no reason

also they made all the shadow powers two dimensional instead of three dimensional because fuck you

>>96905970
>Read this as
>Last night's HIV session went pretty well. The PCs spent a week recuperating from their wounds. In this time one of them had several PTSD flashbacks

God damn i need to sleep

>>96905980
It doesn't, because at that point, I'm not playing in the world of Vampire the Requiem, I'm playing in the world that my group built together. If I'm going to play a game with an established setting, I want that established setting to feel alive and occupied. If I'm going to play a game that relies on a group to provide the setting, I'd rather just go with a generic system. I don't see anything appealing in a game that provides you with a pre-established setting that you need to put a whole lot of work into in order to make anything interesting out of that setting. I'd like to play Vampire the Requiem because of its streamlined mechanics but otherwise, it just doesn't have anything going for it.

>>96906019
>also they made all the shadow powers two dimensional instead of three dimensional because fuck you
WELL i mean considering the retarded state of this game. Forcing you to play as gen 15-11. This technically isnt that retarded or far-fetched. Every discipline should be a fucking joke, with blood that thin.

How do you de-worm a werewolf? They've been dragging their ass on the carpet non stop.

Any advice for using Presence well?

>>96906056
Get a knife. Slice them open. And pull it out. They will heal just fine.

>>96906030
Anon you know that's most groups right?

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>>96905713
Redpill me on McWOD

>>96906093
It's a bad D20 game that does nothing special nor creates any new or interesting reason to interact with it.

>>96906093
liking it makes you the biggest hipster in the room as it makes the gurps wod fans look mainstream in comparison

>>96906093
A joke of an edition.

>>96906056
toothpaste sized container of frontline, pray its normal tapeworms and not some abomination from hell. because next thing you know spaghetti of worms bursts from their ass overtaking their body creating some wormwerewolf golem with prions&parasites putting pressure on the brain making the furry go ultra insane kill everything nonstop mode. While also shooting out worms trying to create new hosts.

in which case you will need a lot of fire&magnets

>>96906069
This seems like a fast way to get yourself counter gutted
>>96906056
How the hell did you get worms in a werewolf? Some weird kinkplay with fomori?

>>96906128
Its a furry vile faggot probably goes to the 'bathhouse' twice a day sniffing and licking every asshole it sees.

>>96906087
For generic systems, yes. Not for systems that purported have their own settings.

>>96906121
Aren’t woofs immune to normal parasites, though? It’s almost certainly something supernatural, to which it might be a good idea to bring a theurge who knows the Rite of Cleasing (and bring a flamethrower in case the banes fight back)

How do you justify the favoritism that the writers show the Tremere?

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>>96906230
>Favoritism
>Tremere
If only

Call it shit taste, but I like the Lilith lore from the start of the Book of Nod, even if the rest of her lore in VTM is ass and it's never really capitalized on properly. I also like how you can treat her Awake thing as its own concept or hook it into Mage if you want, with Caine's failure to Awaken being either a problem of him failing the test of the angels or the Curse warping it into a fucked form of Quiet, which is why vampires can't Awaken despite still explicitly having souls. But like I said, you can ignore that entirely if you don't want the crossover implied there.

>>96906225
>Bring in a Theurge instead of doing it yourself
I'm sure anon's a competent enough occultist. This is why we don't shack up with Red Talons though

>>96906230
It's not the 90s anymore anon.

>>96906262
We don’t need the help of humans to rid ourselves of Wyrm taint

>>96906256
Noddist stuff gets pretty tiring when it comes to her. Along with the edgy masochism but I do agree with you. She's a neat figure that can be utilized better.

>>96906291
Yeah pretty much everything ELSE about Lilith in VTM was stupid, and the Bahari's obsession with sadomasochism feels like it comes out of nowhere and makes no sense. The first part of the Book of Nod is the only good lore she has, and I can really see how it could've been used as a seed to construct a really interesting figure, but it was never really nurtured properly. Instead it got covered in layers of shit writing and vampire CBT cults.

>>96906030
But that's how every game works? You take plot hooks or settings written by writers and then you build ontop of and inside them until they're your world? There's loads of stuff baked right into VtR, a chapter of setting info and plot hooks you can lift and more scattered throughout the whole book.

>>96905995
I may not have done myself any favours by narrating how he tipped into aggravated damage by having the gunshot hit a different area and have a gruesome effect. The Vampire Killer has a huge pot belly that hangs down past his hips from drinking his victims completely dry, and for that shot I described how the shot tore into his hanging and heavy belly and burst it wide open, thick blood pumping from the wound and actually eliciting a reaction from the Slasher. The players all went "Oh maybe his belly is his weak spot and we should've been shooting that all along?" like it was a pinata of blood to burst. I think if he gets the option to, he's going to fall into the marsh and return to slash another day. But he could well die now, we'll see.

>>96906247
They have more Thaumaturgy paths than there are Disciplines.
Despite being a bunch of inferior vampires without any access to magic, they were able to diablerise an antediluvian and effectively wipe out an entire clan.
Despite being newbies and outsiders to vampire society, they were able to wipe the floor with the Tzimisce and make themselves an integral part of vampire society.
Despite all of the above, they were also capable of wiping the floor with the Order of Hermes and almost wiping them out, despite having lesser magic and despite being vastly out-numbered. This gets repeated in the modern nights too.

How difficult would merging oWoD and nWoD together be?

What would be the easiest things and hardest issues in integrating nWoD splats and lore into oWoD's metaplot?

>>96906256
Agreed lillth is cool as the mother of all magic the first oracle etc etc. Her lore however is mostly bad which is a fucking travesty. a lot of cool stuff can/should be done with her. I like what was done with her in the fair is foul gehnna scenario.

Without her canine would be a bitch

>>96906278
>Local human hater defeated by a hamburger and a belly rub
Red Talons are just Tsundere

>>96906340
NTA but you've got understand why it's so easy to see nWoD as bland compared to oWoD

>>96906347
Well that's sort of the difference between genuine mages and people(vampires) that barely have a hand in the occult, Tremere and friends had talent they just traded it for shitty immortality. I think in the setting they get treated like dirt and the pyramid kind of makes them seem anti-player but I understand what you mean. On the topic of the Thaumaturgy that's probably to give players and STs more variety in what they do as blood wizard x 1000 isn't everyone's type. Can't have a wizard archetype with no fireball for instance

>>96906360
If you really like oWoD's more codified conventions then yeah I get why the nature of CofD may not appeal, but surely people aren't treating the setting like an adventure book to work through? You have to be ready to improvise and expand on existing setting information and put your own stuff in there? The setting info on Chicago or wherever may say that X is the Prince, Y sect is in power etc, but you have to fill in those gaps and actually make something interesting happen with those pieces? That's no different in my mind to making something up wholesale using the building blocks you've been provided by the book?

>>96906165
I tried to warn him that bathhouse was a Black Spiral Dancer hotspot, but he called me a “bigot” and went anyway

>>96906360
Nta but personally they just knocked it out of the park with Masquerade so well and all the alt history stuff is very well baked that I suppose everything in oWoD feels cool because it's very alt history, though I think CofD has its own good settings like Vigil despite being a bit less fleshed out

>>96906403
>It wasn't a Red Talons that had the worms
Color me surprised

>>96906360
>just understand
Makes sense. And for those that don't want handholding?

>>96906395
>tremere and co are such retards who traded their ominpotence for shitty immortality
>that's why they were able to diablerise an antediluvian and become an integral part of vampire society and then the camarilla and btfo the tzimisce and btfo the hermetics twice
If they didn't have writer favoritism, they would be a wretched, pitiful bloodline that never accomplished any of the above.

>>96906408
I guess it's whether or not you see the worlds as in need of fleshing out, or as having room to build your own thing in.

>>96906403
Now they have prions in their brain
worms crawling up their ass slowly taking over the nervous system
Finally pentex patented furry-be-gone A(nally)I(nfected)D(eath)S(entence)X ™ ® © Now in airborne flavored air!
God bless Science for once the technocratic union is doing some good for the world getting rid of the furry menace by targeting their impulses and lack of control.

>>96906414
I don’t know how humans (and by extension homid garou) survive with such a bad sense of smell. I passed near that wicked place on the way to the local caern and wanted to puke

>>96906353
I don't like the scenario for legitimizing dumb Bahari stuff.

fuck you leeches

Can someone tell me what's so bad about V5??? People keep telling me I shouldn't play it

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A few threads ago I floated the idea of an historian/penitent woof who (through whatever means, probably a high Ancestor background) came to know enough of the War of Rage to go "Wow, we really fucked up" and basically make their long-lasting goal (you know, those things you throw out as a concept in creation and that maybe the ST will allow you to make some steps towards as an overarching personal arc before the endgame) to atone to the other Fera.

So, wanting to create problems for myself, what do you think of these creative ways to bring back lost breeds:

- Pull out some of them from the Mokolè's racial memory (I'm sure that somewhere in WoD there's some way to make thoughts real, at least temporarily. Can you think of anything specific?) Alliances with other splats are an option)
- Go however deep in the Umbra is needed to find some actual Fera spirits of times long gone, and make them take over physical people (but with everybody knowing and consenting! Maybe kinfolk?) as Banes do to create Fomori. The result is probably a single-shape creature and not a full Fera, but that can maybe be the progenitor for the renewed breed.

What can go wrong?
Literally, please tell me, I just like to theorycraft bullshit and how that can horribly backfire.

>>96906503
Check last thread near the bottom. Someone localized their complaints about the clan compulsions

>>96906482
but anon the smell of that fecal miasma is what entices them acting as a super powerful aphrodisiac just one wiff burns the brain so hard the you can literally feel the dopamine rush bursting in your head

dogs cant help but sniff asses and a bathhouse smells like an aids ward getting a group colonoscopy the stench of that much ass its all-powerful the alore is impossible to ignore

>>96906503
It has a mixture of good and bad changes but it generally shifts the lore and setting around to be lower power and more street level, and has a very overt focus on the personal horror of being a vampire much more than the previous edition, so it seems like being a vampire is more of an all downside situation. Imo you just feel less cool

>>96906525
Allying yourself with a Mage could probably help you bring them back. The cost might be quite high though, either personally for your character or overall

>>96906538
I feel like I need to go through a Rite of Cleansing after reading this

>>96906564
How?
Time shenanigans? Wholecloth recreation?

>>96906525
>I'm sure that somewhere in WoD there's some way to make thoughts real, at least temporarily. Can you think of anything specific?

An archmage that would test the fuck out of you making you suffer for ages
god fucking knows how you would meet them or why they would even care about you

>>96906538
>this is what Pentex teaches people
BSDs do not smell good. It's a more pleasant experience donating my pelt to the local SoL nun

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>>96906503
Anon sperged out and had a melty, here you go. V5 is dogshit. see
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>>96906570
>A M*ge willingly bringing back an extinct species
For a personal cost probably getting turned into the mage's pet or a whole lot of favors assuming you don't get charged immediately. Overall, idk, a lot of Gnosis maybe, probably a lot of sacrifice for the overall biomass required so your friendly mage doesn't combust from violating the laws of reality. Time Shenanigans seem even more difficult than recreation and even with recreation who's to say you don't end up making a fleshblob Kaiju. Even more pressing matters of where the hell are these Fera going to live?

>>96906525
Mage seems like the most likely alliance but, and this is big, why would they? Closest would probably be Verbena or Kha'vadi with the Chakravanti hating you soooo much it might cause nephandi to start sniffing around.
Although I suppose there could be a case for a Chakravanti archmage to have a grasp of the truly big picture and realize woof fuckery messed with the wheel in a big and lasting way

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Continued, as it wouldn't let me put everything in a single post.
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>>96906608
Would that not just create a horizon realm for the woof to live in?
On a serious note, I'd imagine that the fera returning would help balance out Mom and the Wyrm to where active multi-front strikes on Pentex would be possible allowing for reclamation.

>>96906360
That's a different question, bland to me implies lacking flavor, the guy was saying it wasn't "alive". I think NWoD has a more interesting flavor than OWoD, but I can see how OWoD feels more alive, having global conflicts makes you feel like you're part of a bigger world, whereas NWoD mostly focuses on the local scale.

>>96906525
Creating life for a mage seems to be Life 5 for the body, Mind 5 for the consciousness, and Spirit 5 for the soul.
If you are binding an existing spirit to a mindless body it'd be Life 5/Spirit 4/Prime 2
Since you are trying to make a supernatural creature you'd likely need high Prime too, I'm guessing.

Oh, and even once created you probably want to the use Mind 4/5 to essentially teach the new creature everything it needs to be a functional being and that it didn't get by being born and growing up the usual way. And even then it'd still need time to adjust to the imprinted data.
>(All this explains why Doctors Frankenstein and West had such rotten luck with their creations; it’s one thing to energize a complex biomass, but quite another to produce a functional member of society.)

And that's before we get Paradox or Unbelief involved...

>>96906642
Likely yes, but the even bigger problem then comes from stopping a 2nd war of rage from the Garou who probably won't be trusting a sudden revival of old fera

Why do you even WANT Fera around again, do you enjoy society being torn down and living in the woods terrorized by a shapeshifting bear?

>>96906677
>war of rage...TWO
>Garou get brought to heel cause their numbers are lacking
I know we're playing in the broadest strokes, but I imagine part of anon's journey to the end would be getting every tribe totem to be okay with it or something. You know something that spreads the idea, maybe not so much the penance part, of how useful it'd be to have all the fera back. You know, cause Gaia's dead dying and it couldn't hurt to try.

>>96906349
Translation guides were published for Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, and Demon. My ST has been working on how to get more of a Lost flavor out of CtD.

>>96906565
*lol* ditto

What are the best and worst Fera for humans?

The Wyrm is bad for humans too, so theory would say that they'd be good overall until you begin to look a the "we should bring the Impergium back" crowd, the "we should kill all of humanity with diseases for the Wyld" wererats, etc

>>96906677
I know this is an astonishing revelation, but the Garou have learned from their mistakes to the point where they don't try to actively wipe out all of the Fera whenever they encounter them any more.

>>96906719
Bastet.

>>96906693
Shapeshifting bears are still around, this is more like the boar dudes that eat corruption I figure.
>>96906698
Well yes but he does state to let us know which ways he could fuck up in, and even with diminished numbers Garou can probably still beat 5 each without much difficulty

>>96906693
Most of the other Fera are chill compared to Garou, that's partly why they got slaughtered in the first place.

>>96906725
this is true but on the other hand you have literal Magic or an entity that isn't Gaia bringing back these Fera, so it's not as if Garou are going to be very trustful

>>96906064
The discipline, I assume?

>>96906719
>we should bring the Impergium back
That's a key component of the new campaign that my ST is working on.

>>96906719
That depends how fuckable they are

>>96906739
As long as we all remember that the other part was a nagah assassinating a messenger on the behalf of the Wyrm, who was carrying a message sent by more peaceful werewolves to tell a more belligerent werewolf to fucking quit it and leave the fera alone, only for the belligerent werewolf to go full tard rage and the fera to proceed to mobilise to fight back against the werewolves, thinking that the belligerent werewolf represented them, which caused the other werewolves to fight back.
And if the nagah as a whole actually did their Gaia-given duty properly, as Gaia's secret police who killed fera who threatened the balance and fell to corruption, the War of Rage would have never happened in the first place.

>>96906719
The kitsune are basically harmless.

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>>96905713
The Ventru in the coteri pissed them off and now has been blood bonded to the new Primogen's bodyguard to avoid a bigger diplomatic cluster fuck.

>>96906753
What could possibly go right?

>>96906349
You can fold WOD in CofD but the other way around would be a bigger ask.

>>96906860
>The Ventrue pissed them off
You'd think his dignitas would stop him from being a tard.

>>96906064
Just spam that shit like there's no tomorrow. It's not like mortals can tell what's happening.

>>96906093
Not really worth running but useful in terms of material.

>>96906866
>What could possibly go right?
Wouldn't be much fun if anything did.

>>96906854
Well if they all did their Gaia-given duty, then humans would be shit-smeared tribals living in fear and never have exploded into vampires and mages or made silver weapons so it's been a long failure in general.

>>96906719
Rokea hate humans a lot, because humans have been far more of a problem for them than the garou ever have

>>96906503
It's not bad some people just have small brains and get buttmad. it's just a different edition of the game. tweaked mechanics, progressed lore with occasional retcons. in general a lot of parts of it work better (e.g. Disciplines, Hunger) and people complaining about a lack of content for it in 2025 are usually rageposting off of a 2018 mindset.

legit the only thing missing from it is Sabbat, but there's good homebrew books and ignoring dev commentary its very playable even by RAW.

>>96906895
As if Woofs wouldn't be the same way, we should all be thanking Mother we have plumbing and computers

>>96906866
Yeah, it's not like humans control most of the planet and would be backed by both the weaver and the wyrm, right?

>>96906908
We should be thanking the Weaver.

>>96906879
Yeah, she tried to Dominate the bodyguard into Diablerizing their sire but forgot to check their generation. Now the rest of the blue bloods looked at the situation and went "She is all yours, we have bigger fish to fry right now" before taking her shit.

>>96906693
If they get too uppity we'll kill them, Mom will see to it.

>>96906947
Yeah bro I'm sure rape-torture is the best way to solve all your problems.

>>96906947
Let me phrase it a little differently, in what scenario would the nation actually improve the situation with a second imperium if they get the ball rolling?

>>96906968
It's not like they tried that before and only strengthen the people they were fighting against.

Can Ghouls be diablerised? They have their masters vitae in them, is that enough or do they have to be fully kindred to be eligible for the soul suck?

>>96906949
That's what he said

>>96906980
I would wager the latter. Revenants might be a different case however

>>96906905
Clan compulsions are a pretty bad no matter the slice

>>96906968
What if's just consented rape and on a schedule

>>96906980
Not unless the Diablerist has a ritual for that.

>>96906968
>rape-torture
But enough about the wyrm

>>96906980
On a similar note, if I inject wine into a vampire do they get drunk or only those who drink from them?

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>>96906503
Well, recently they turned guys who have their own clanbook, discipline and tons of lore and stuff for over 20 years into a barely 2 page one-bit non-player antagonist that reads like a fancy fomorian vampire.

>>96906525
While the idea is cool, Fera don't really deserve it. They were part of the problem. Ananasi enflamed the flames of war. That one stupid Naga, etc.

>>96906953
This Ventrue is incredibly lucky not to be dust

>>96907036
Funny how Garou were big into rape-torture back in the day before the Wyrm went insane, huh.

>>96907054
>don't deserve
>in fact it was their fault
found the BSD

>>96907080
The Garou existed three hundred million years ago?

>>96906970
The only positive thing I can think of is being able to strike at Pentex (and other companies) openly. They could probably deal with most operations on the fringes of civilization. That and driving most humans towards big cities and away from the wilderness. Still, Pentex wouldn't even need to hit them back since the government will do it for them.

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>>96906739
>chill
Buddy, we have/had Werelions genociding Werehyenes recently. Or part of the reason why Werebats are extinct is that Werejaguars basically convinced Garou that they were all Wyrm.

>>96906953
Lel but why wouldn't've she known? Too hasty and forgot to order the test from the tremere?

>>96907086
I mixed the timetable up, but that makes it seem like the Garou were basically Wyrm-tainted even during the Impergium since they loved rape-torture on humans so much. Which means they were always a mistake.

>>96906719
Apis seem alright.

>>96907089
Why are kitties fighting hyenas? Are they going mad or is it just them being territorial?

>>96907085
Aren't they too busy in their orgies to post here?

>>96907106
We have 2 hands, y’know

Well, most of us do

>Bringing the Fera back? Sabotaged
>Impergum 2.0? Consensus needs to shift, T800 and plasma rifles for all! TWD as Mother's revenge.
>Ways to interrupt Mother? Dwindling
Just as planed...

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>>96907105
Werehyenas dominated Africa for centuries and their philosophy was strong eat the weak. This includes even their own weak and elderly. You can imagine what they do to others.
So when Black Tooth came, he killed most of them and they realized that when they are weak, that ideology sucks.

>>96907105
One of the kitties watched The Lion King one too many times and went Total Ajaba Death

>>96907089
Werehyenas were genociding themselves, weren't they?

>>96906525
>be Tremere
>use Spirit Manipulation to find & bully the spirit you need
>use Ushabti to craft a body for it

Its not that hard

>>96907097
Pretty much, she thought they both had the same generation because only the Primogen had shown elder powers and forgot that the Malkavian, who she diablerized, had seen her with black diableri veins across her aura.

>>96907076
Not really, they are getting some Trememe bullshit for the proper punishment. For now she is little more than a expensive blood doll.

>>96907156
>KotE is problematic because it's based on a pop culture take on Eastern cultures
>meanwhile Africa gets summed up by White Wolf watching The Lion King once

>>96907121
It's more like we are surprised that you guys bothered to post rather than focusing on the cenobite bullshit you guys are usually up to but I guess everyone needs a break every once in a while.

>>96907151
But can't we keep some trees around, just for fun?

>>96907196
>fun
we don't do that here

>>96906278
>he says as he proceeds to lose yet another time in a row.
WoDs designated loser splat

>>96907190
>WtA Africa
ftfy, cause remember Egypt is its own continent.
>>96907193
Listen some of us still have to piss and it takes a while when it's happening.

>>96906719
BUNNY
GIRL
PUSSY

>>96907201
>No fun allowed
That's it I'm going hog Wyld now.

>>96907196
Ah, going for the Technocracy ending?

>>96907190
Far fewer people know about what WtA has happening in Africa, and WtA does stuff like that fairly frequently. Are you actually surprised barely anybody knows about it to make fun of it in the first place?

>>96907225
It's not like I get to enjoy the better ones.

Lmao.
The WtA fans are butthurt again.

>>96907193
Stuff slows down from time to time, besides I can still post while getting my dick sucked
>>96907196
Spider bitch and her little robots are anathema to fun, anon

>>96907204
>Listen some of us still have to piss and it takes a while when it's happening.
Fair enough I suppose.

>>96907121
Some have four!

>>96907265
I see the Goro cosplayers have really stepped up their game.

>>96907202
It's honestly frustrating. Makes me wanna beat Paradox's head in harder

>>96906719
>Alright most of the time
Apis
Bastet
Corax
Gurahl
Kitsune
Nuwisha
Mokole
>Dicks but mostly to other Fera
Ananasi
Grondr
Nagah
>Dicks to just humans
Camazotz
>Assholes to everyone, hate humans
Ajaba
Ratkin
Rokea

>>96906525
The War of Rage was fought because the dead cannot rejoin the living. Surely you must know enough of talecraft to realize that it's conclusion cannot be "and then we brought the dead back to life". What do Elders even teach cubs nowadays?

>>96907207
There are no bunny breeds. May I interest you in a Bunyip instead?

>>96907265
How many of those hands are functional, brother?

>>96906450
>>96906395
>>96906347
>>96906230

Clan Tremere has worked hard for everything its ever earned

Tremere stole Tzim's blood because theybwere weak
Tremere stole Saulot's soul because he was weak
Tremere went from outsiders to founding the Cam because other vampires were weak
They are better vampires than the original vampires & its because they are the only ones playing hardball when all the rest want to preen & posture. Tremere not only scheme. They WAR.

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>>96907162
>>96907190
Funny enough, Werelions do call themselves "Lords of Sunlight"

>>96907303
No. Gaia be dawned im making bunny girls. How could the fetish writers of oWoD miss such a thing? Gaelic bunny girls made to breed with IRA wild hares willing to scrap? Hopping mad & ready fuck fuck shit up? I want to see some half mad Irish fella leap around spitting gibberish throwing molotovs & cute women with bunny tails & ears i can fondle. Of course, they'll need a Japanese tribe too.

>>96907311
I can flip you off & fuck you up in each cardinal direction motherfucker

>>96906347
>wipe the floor with the Tzimisce
Tzimisce aren't organized enough, ever, to be a serious threat. It's always in their domain or on their own power. Their greatest legacies are revenants and vicissitude. Edgy kids and autists beat them off because 'oooh they're so alien'. They're fucking one note ninety percent of the time.

>>96907302
The War of Rage was fought because we were a bunch of dipships who wanted all the toys all right now.
Also shut the fuck up, in advocating for not restoring what has been destroyed you are clearly showing your wyrm-taint, don't make come there and rip your fucking throat out with my bare hands.

>>96906064
I've played characters that made extensive use of the discipline previously. Some good general advice is
>Don't use it as a crutch. Presence can allow a boor to get what they want socially, but it goes so much further if you actually think about what you're saying. Make good arguments, reasonable requests, and you'll walk over everything. Most importantly, it never leaves the victim of presence thinking "why the fuck did I do that?" afterwards. Presence is very subtle in some ways, but if you don't provide the victim's mind a way to rationalize their behavior, that contradiction will fester.
>Don't spam it. There are multiple reasons for this. First, Presence is the opposite of Dominate in that people you use Presence on will remember you. Used prudently, this is almost always an upside. But if you use Presence every single time you're talking to people, everyone in town is going to remember you and how charismatic you are. Problem is, you're a vampire and you really don't want the whole town scrutinizing you. You also can't control very accurately how people with Presence will act while under its spell. Some people are nuts, and they may go above and beyond in the worst way for you. You can also easily develop stalkers through overuse of Presence.
>The big trick is to pay close attention to who you're using it on, and to what end. Think about what you want to accomplish, then determine how, if at all, your Presence powers can get you what you want, and what could go wrong.

TL;DR: It's a supernatural enhancement to social, be smart about it, and like any discipline, know when to actually use it.

>>96907359
Pray to Father Wyrm I’ll let you keep even on of your hands when I’m done, bitch

I know that Garou can learn other forms, like Mooncat & stuff. So what is the fundamental difference between Fera? Could not a Werewolf or even a human seek out a Fera spirit & through effort obtain the ability to shapeshift into its form? If a garou can learn mooncat who's to say they cant learn the Bastet forms? Or spiritually be reborn as Bastet?

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>>96907265
Will Cockroach ever manage flip the Samsa?

>>96907364
Still an organised high clan with several thousand years to establish their power base. The fact that a cabal of mages were able to bend them over and fuck them hard, AND avoid being slaughtered after they stopped being mages and became helpless lesser vampires without any real disciplines, before they were able to develop blood magic, is ridiculous.

>>96907440
They chopped up the weaker mongrel Tzims, Dossier & Gangrels clans & made proper servants out of them. Not Tremere's fault they only good as spare parts at best

>>96907404
Ill beat you with my two cocks with all four arms behind my back

who would win? 1 trillion werelions or the sun?

>>96907121
Surprise You can still type in the orgy

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>permanently wounds lucifer
>gets stabbed in the throat and dies
lmao what a sendoff

>>96906905
>in general a lot of parts of it work better (e.g. Disciplines, Hunger)
>Hunger
>Hunger is handled better in V5
hahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>96907463
You ain’t got the size to back up your talk, cub. Even a gaian got more strength than you

>>96907440
Were they that organized? It seems like their organization comes more from wanting to beat down the Eldest who, hilariously, is their strongest fucker. Without an overarching threat or some attachment, they just fuck off into corners to sit like the blair witch.
>>96907472
>Infernalist plant dies
News at 11

>>96907503
Plants can be infernalists?

>>96907505
kek

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>>96906905
>disciplines handled better
>removing entire necromancy, obtenebration, and vicissitude as their own disciplines
>shoving them all into generic disciplines
>shittest take on amalgams I've ever seen
>"better"

>>96907486
You obviously haven't seen what a fomori enhanced dick can do. I can screw your mom from across the room & unscrew a jam jar lid with the other at the same time

>>96907505
I bet lillith could cook one up

>>96907525
>he let himself get possessed
So you can’t stand on your strength and need a bane’s to fight? Shame, I thought you could be part of my pack, but it seems like you’re just good for dinner

>>96907484
It's a matter of personal opinion. To anyone who is used to blood points and blood pools, it's bad because it's different. But for people who are new to Vampire, there's nothing inherently wrong with the risk management system of hunger dice in V5, and some of them prefer it to the resource management system of blood pools in earlier editions.
Though it's much easier to get sick of the hunger system, if you fail several rouse checks in a row. There's a 3% chance of going from Hunger 0 to Hunger 5 over the course of five separate instances of vampire powers, of going from being totally fine to being on the verge of a hunger frenzy, that players have no control over.

>>96907544
No that's just for party tricks. Who has two ducks, four thumbs & no fucks? This guy

>>96907556
True. V5 handles hunger and blood better plus it brought back blood potency. These guys are just retards and elitists.

>>96907556
I don't inherently hate Hunger, but the fact that you need to rouse check for basically anything vampire-y and that you start taking malus's from the first hunger point is a bit overly punishing, on top of blood potency making feeding kind of difficult. I agree that maybe players shouldn't be flippant with doing vampire shit, but there's a difference between being flippant and being so conservative that disciplines are kind of useless. At that point, there's no reason to actually play a vampire with a clan or waste much XP on disciplines

>>96907562
>letting the wyrm fuck your with dick
BSD really are insane. Those things will probably strangle you to death at some point or lead you towards questionable choices

>>96907556
The hunger system needs a tweak or some kind of pressure release for powers. Cause it kinda defeats their purpose if it's just gonna be a cycle of use powers>hunger>feed at three>power>session done.
There's gotta be some middle ground between the two that allows one to do vamp shit without insta-frenzy in the worst case or gamifying them via the pool.

>>96907587
Hate to break it to you, but Kindred are weak as shit and even elders and can be taken out with basic firearms. That's the entire point of the traditions and Cainite society going underground, because if they didn't, they'd die. They can barely contain the beast. That's the point. I personally like that the game makes you play politics and be MUCH more careful and conservative. Everyone is valuable as a team member because the power level is so much more realistic vs anime bullshit.
>>96907596
No, because that's the point of predator system being given such a huge placement in the game. Now your Cainite has to feed in specific ways and staying fed is an integral part of the experience. Every time you fail is a moment a masquerade breech can happen so it's great for spicing up events and leading into major plot hooks which has happened to my players multiple times.

>>96907562
Corporate mandates me to find this post funny. Don't know why they care about two people pretending to be magical wolves or something like that.

>>96907663
0.05 Paradoxbux have been deposited in your account.

>>96907663
Barely containing the beast is only a new thing in V5, there's an element in older editions where Vampires were lacking self-control, but not lacking so much that they immediately risk going bonkers over using one discipline. I don't disagree with the whole exercise but I think hunger is just kind of a lazy way to handle it

>>96907243
>better ones.
Tradcuck detected

>>96907562
You know banes don’t leave when you ask them to, right? You’re stuck as a howling shambler just to get another cock lmao

>>96907663
Shouldn't you be in that other thread making more ridiculous excuses to explain how your .45 pistol mogs a vamp that tanks it?

>>96907708
>>96907595
You wouldnt get it. You cant even see the spiral right now, let alone the curve & fractals.

>>96907694
Thanks, youre a real one. I hope the bugs dont eat you

>>96907663
I don't think anything is stopping your lick from feeding in more normal ways. Despite what paradox says, vampires are opportunistic and feeding can be the best example of that. Unless you like to hamstring yourself with a ventrue.

>actual V5 shilling
embarrassing to read

>>96907762
>still hasn't explained why v5 is bad
>despite v5 being the most played, most successful, and most popular

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>almost 200 posts in less than five hours
>it's mostly just secondaries trolling and larping as fomori and weaver cultists
How awful.

>>96907762
Just bully the shills until they fuck off.

>>96907769
It's a slow day at the office

>>96907725
Cub, I already danced all the way to the Labyrinth’s 3rd circle. I’m starting to wonder if you actually danced the Black Spiral or are just a shambler hallucinating it’s a true wolf of Father Wyrm

What's the better version of Changeling, CtL or CtD?

>>96907805
CtL

>>96905835
I think they want the players to play a specific type of game. Even in Sabbat book you're expected to not play as them lol

Honestly I feel Dominate Tzimisce lose the appeal.

>>96907395
Please tell me the name of the galliard which told you that. I'll make sure their name is mocked in every single caern I visit.
Now, I've fought and won too many duels with the stupidest of us for asking what should be a simple question. After the past is lost, what's left? If you take the answer to mean "nothing", go ahead and frenzy, you'll not like what comes next. After the past is lost, all that's left is the future. You can howl the sweetest, saddest song to Gaia herself, she won't be rewarding you with a single second back.
Or let me put it in a way that even a tough puppy like yourself will get. You know that mole on the back of your favorite hand? It ain't nothing for one of us to grow a whole new hand back, but that mole won't be on it after I tear yours the fuck off. Now quit chasing your tail thinking you're gonna catch a ghost. That ain't a circle you're running into the dirt. It's a thrice-damned spiral.

WtA is such ass, can someone tell me about WtF instead?

>>96907351
I'd be down for that.

>>96906557
I'm of the opinion that you can't roleplay a game of personal horror

>>96907852
Why should I take the opinion of a namefag seriously?

>>96907556
>Oh no i heckin' ran out of spoons during that scene, it was SOOOOOO stressful so now I need to feed & im a bit triggered so i got to do a compulsion!

This is who they are marketing the game to & this is why they made the decision to do it this way

>>96907351
>How could the fetish writers of oWoD miss such a thing?
Bunny girls are a kemonomimi thing mainly, the writers were full on furfags, who don't favor bunnies as much.

>>96907762
Some people genuinely don’t know better

>>96907833
What if you weren't eternally in a losing war? What if your enemies were more than just a different flavor of worm spawn? What if you got to live through being the horror movie werewolf that can't be put down? All at the price of making sure your local area doesn't get fucked by weird shit. Oh right this'll be asked of you only after the change happens unless you're lucky. It's a life long appointment.
It can definitely be more interesting than WtA. There's some weakppint but it makes them into something worth developing than the setting's punching bag.
Hopefully the WtF fan(s) in the thread pops up to explain it better. It's d

>>96906627
That guy's mad

>>96906905
>, but there's good homebrew book
Shut up

>>96907889
Quite. He did give fair warning at the start

>>96907852
>Be me
>Be Tremere fag
>Want to use cool blood magic
>Suddenly hit with angst
>Oh woe is me
>I try to persuade guard to let us in
>I persuade too well and I ask him to let me feed while I'm at it
>Woe is me
>Kill the guy because I'm mentally unstable
>Oh well, let some other lick deal with it
Eh, personal horror is one thing but using your disciplines a couple of times and becoming a deprived lunatic is something else

>>96907858
I'm not a namefag
Just use it to post on another thread and forgot to change

>>96907881
Becoming a WtF requires me to somehow convince my group to try Werewolf from WoD, and then even further to try offbrand Werewolf from Chronicles. I feel like that's several steps of needing to market when someone else can just be like "let's play 5E again, but this time it's a Western"

>>96907789
But did you run it background? Once around for merry play, twice around to make your day, thrice around now you'll stay, but ere the tides turn, the world, the whirl is at full tilt! Three heads grin, youre on a spin! What better fun than to spin again?

>>96907765
Is it really that played?

>>96907935
V5 lore raping aside it's not inherently unplayable and it's
>New thing
so it's bound to be the most played

>>96907933
*back around. Fuck my autocorrect the damn spiders in my phone rebel! To be trapped inside this electric hell! I will chew it, i will screw, it i will ring the bell, silence spiders! Silence neon's glow!
I lost my mind, enjoy the show!

>>96907950
Here where I live every time we see a guy complaining that the tables have homebrew rules for v5 tho

Is there a single splat that didn't get their lore raped in 5th ed?

>>96907955
Nothing wrong with that. I think the system works fine as it is, it's just got a few things going on that aren't very fun. Not a fan of hunger for instance

>>96907805
CtL.

>>96907805
CtD, don't listen to the retards promoting the abuse victim simulator.

>>96907962
>Nothing wrong with that.
Wouldn't that mean that the version is poorly made?

>>96907873
There's a crap ton of rabbit related shit all throughout history & media. Like they could have had a field day putting rabbit killing knight in the margins like an illuminated text. Briar Rabbit, El-ahrairah, even fucking Monty Python could have been some inspiration. Along with weird mutations like whoppertingers.

>>96907839
Im legitimately pissed off they didn't make them now, cause im thinking of all kinds of fun dumb shit they could be involved with

>>96907979
>abuse victim simulator.
Never played it but it grabbed my attention

Give me a quick rundown

>>96907981
I'm saying neither the guy complaining about homebrew or the guy homebrewing is in the wrong. In my opinion V5 is poorly made in many different ways, but it can be run. V20 is just a whole lot more engaging at the cost of more reading

>>96907990
>m legitimately pissed off they didn't make them now, cause im thinking of all kinds of fun dumb shit they could be involved with
Homebrew it

>>96907960
Vampire
>kept most of old lore except for kuei-jin but added a whole bunch of new stuff that made people very frustrated
Hunter
>deleted the old premise of HtR and offers a very basic and very hollow hunter game with very little to work with
Werewolf
>cut out all of the history and problematic shit of werewolf which means that 60% of the game is missing and the remaining 40% makes no sense
Up to you which is worse, but most people here would say that fifth edition has not introduced anything good, ever.

>>96907930
>offbrand from itself
Well one I'd probably beat the cowpoke's head in cause this is like the fourth time we've ran 5e.
Are you the ST? You could find translation guides. It also sounds like they know nothing about WoD so trying to bring up demarcations instead of just going
>here's WtF let's try a oneshot
seems like unneeded work. That's me though, and sounds more like you should maybe frame how you sell it better? Cause what sounds more interesting to the players: A losing ecoterrorism war where you're always the bad guy, even against bad guys, or playing a monster that hunts those intruding upon your home in the night. If they escape show the intruder that there is no escape from your wrath.

>>96907998
Very well. I agree with you

>>96907933
>>96907953
Formori crashing out is always fun to watch

>>96907991
Take off the name. Also other anon's a magefag that seethes eternal.

>>96907960
Tremere got the worst of it in my opinion. Their thaumaturgy undone. Their pyramid toppled. All because some angry feminist bitch thought it was a boys club or some shit never mind Virstania & other prominent Tremere ladies being big movers & shakers when other clans dont even have one notavke female. Its tragic. How am I to realize the new Tremere Bloodwolf faction with this shit? How am I to usurp the Garou when I get fussy & hungry after just a few spells?

>>96907991
Rapist fairies kidnap humans to rape them.
Humans raped by fairies lose their minds in the fairy rape dungeon.
These fairy rape victims managed to escape from the rape dungeon.
The fairy rape victims find that they have been dramatically changed by rape.
Gameplay revolves around fairy rape victims being sad, angry, scared and/or delusional about the rapist fairies who are coming to take them back to rape dungeon.
The end.

>>96907991
Go back a thread or two & you'll get a full discussion. No need to repost a shit fit

>>96908018
>falling for Mithras' ploy
Their thaumaturgy was undone as soon as the anarchs came about cause no one was that fucking strict with learning it.

>>96908010
Just being in character. Plus last thread was fun to rhyme, so I wanted to do more

>>96908003
Ditching the kuei Jin is okay. Never cared about nor knew anyone that did. It should've been a entirely new splat or just variants of the normal clans

I wished to know more about the drowned legacies tho

>>96908026
Very well.
>>96908021
Nice game it seems

>>96908004
That does sound cool but DnD players like the familiarity. Campaigns also last a while so it's about finding a turn for ST it

>>96908036
True, true. It’s fun to play these characters in these threads, helps pass time and let me exercise my creativity a bit

>>96908059
>or just variants of the normal clans
Was in 1e.

>>96908003
>>96908059
Part of the 5th edition problems is that it reframes the context of the setting into modern day following the metaplots, and because EVERYONE got fucked by the metaplot you end up in vastly different situations in 5th edition that makes it a bit more of a suffering focused edition
>Vampire Elders are on their way out, you're stuck as a lower gen vamp, thinblood shit, even less self-control
>Hunters have even less knowledge and information to work with so you're perpetually victim-tier without a way out
>Werewolves all lost, Garou "Nation" has fallen, must now work a 9-5 because no kinfolk to fund your extravagant month long Wyrm hunts

>>96907805
CtL

>>96908067
Right since you took your name off, I dug up the argument. Follow the reply chains and its split between two threads
>where it starts
>>96875523
>angry anon's underlying issue eventually gets reached
>>96879616

>>96905970
Hunterchads continuing to prove they're the only posters that actually play games here.

>>96908091
It really is fun. I do hope that Red talon became that witch's living toy though.

>>96908094
1e was a lil bit wacky

>>96908118
Thank you mate
I'll read

>>96907930
Who the hell are the people you play with that won't play a game unless you jump through all these hoops?

Seriously all these "oh sorry I HAVE to play this edition, my group won't try anything" posts, what baboons are you playing with?

>>96908126
You want to know something that made me fucking hate myself that I realized the other day? Its been more years since I played a game, than years that ive played games. Like, im passionate about the hobby, but I have kids and responsibilities and no fucking time anymore. The world is fucking bleak too.

>>96908099
Don't forget that anyone who joins an org is no better than a fucking NPC because...because they just are, ok!? Someone looked at Vigil or older hunter releases and said
>Who would want to play as a member of a secret society, taking on bigger threats? Couldn't be our players!

>>96908099
I think that a lot of it boils down to Justin Achilli's influence. He's got a few fixations when it comes to game design:
>Characters can never escape their nature, a character's supernatural nature should always be compelling that character to act in a particular way.
>Street level focus, particularly a focus on living among normal humans. Whatever you're playing, they should always have to live among and interact with people.
>Verb-based faction identity. Clans, tribes, all of these can be broken down to three or four verbs that define how they should be played, no need for lore or history or nuance.
>Hatred for lore. Players shouldn't have to read or learn about what they're playing. They should be able to play it according to vibes, according to their feelings.

>>96907249
Not everyone who enjoys WtA is like this, but I have noticed that there are a lot of very thin-skinned WtA fans that throw a hissy fit whenever someone posts the mildest criticism of Apocalypse.

If we look at the other two "big" oWoD lines, Vampfags regularly talk about how much they hate their own metaplot, how much the Anarchs suck, and how often they end up homebrewing/rewriting shit anyway. Half of the magefag population outright rejects the setting's basic premise that the globohomo fantasy known as the technocracy was well intentioned but have become monsters slowly killing the world they claim to save. There's a lot more self-criticism from those two, but there's a subset of WtA fans that are convinced WtA is perfect and that any problem, subjective or otherwise, one can have is the result of the accuser being retarded or tasteless.

>>96908229
Can't believe Paradox forgot to include /our/ beloved and noble hunter organization that is always right. How could they? Kinda of genuinely asking since that should be a point regarding them

>>96908241
It's very in-character.

>>96908241
Got any examples of this?

>>96908126
As much as I find werewolf a bit fruity I can't deny that I like that artfriend who's drawing his O'Tolley's piece.

>>96908099
>>96908235
Don't forget Kenneth Hite, I believe.
The guy infamous for saying every vamp game should end with hunters kicking in your door and blasting your face off. Cause...vampires are bad and he's gotta thinly hide his humanity wank.
He's also very fucking dry in a boring way but that's subjective

>>96908175
My friends are relatively normie-ish in that they like DnD

>>96908285
Here's an interview with the guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRbFL9oQeDs&t=1305s

>>96908130
Well… he already is. Whole concept behind him is that he’s a clueless cliath who wants to learn more about humans and doesn’t know what he’s getting into with the witch

She may or may not be using magic to ensure he keeps coming back, in fact

>>96908229
>Forced to play a dangerous schizophrenic because you just are OK
>but you aren't allowed to have super powers
>or belong to an organization that has other dangerous schizophrenics
>but you're still totally validated, just underfunded, can't hold down a normal job, can't relate to other people because you saw some dude literally get sucked dry by a 400 year old geezer
H5 is a big strange in the way it wants to preserve being a dangerous hobo but also doesn't want to justify why you're like that

>>96908287
My heart goes out to you anon
>>96908291
Cute. It's probably unlikely but I hope they find some happiness together.

>>96908282
DrawChad is great, don't get me wrong. But despite how much the "Big Three" like to talk about how popular their games are, it seems like Hunter: the Vigil actually has the most amount of people actually playing it, if play stories are any indication.

>>96908235
>>96908285
Yeah. Can't wait for Mage 5 or Wraith 5 to be games about being some dude that had a close call with a Mage/Ghost and now you're halfway there but you still need to pretend to be human and keep up your own weird masquerade

>>96908203
I'm sorry to hear about that anon. For what it's worth, the grass is always greener. There's a lot of people that'd give up having a TTRPG group in a heartbeat in exchange for having kids.

>>96908287
Can't you pitch WtF the Predator chewing through the monster manual of CofD? Whatever monster you feel like is the focus of the week, and Werewolf is one hell of a power fantasy compared to most other gamelines. I'm sorry for you either way, but it'd be nice if you got to run what you wanted to.

>>96908321
Someone has to play games here.

My problem with Werewolf is that while obviously yeah, giving too much into the Weaver or Wyrm is bad, the alternative the Garou present isn't really much better for humanity. They're in a no win situation, it's either become automatons, be destroyed, or get back in the rape pen.

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>>96908247
>/our/ beloved and noble hunter organization that is always right.
If we're talking vigil that would be pic related (supernatural dick pills are just too funny). Outside of vigil? Might want to give me some clues

>>96908241
Nta but I feel like pre W5 Werewolf partially appealed to me because it was weird and had a bunch of shit going on that was whacky. W5 is like if they removed all the cool cringy stuff out and you're just a furry with anger issues. Tbf, you always were just a furry with anger issues but there was a pretty engaging background in there it is too doomer though, playing the fuckups that fail onwards to the end is a bit lame

>>96908334
Genuinely, I don't think wraith five will be even close to workable. If we were to keep the parody, they'd just lift Geist wholesale while in Orpheus' skin but make it jokey depressive missing the point of both games entirely.

>>96908346
I mean, if humanity only had to deal with the children of gaia or the glasswalkers we'd be fine, might even make some actual progress.

>>96908317
Thank you, I try to induct them into literally ANYTHING else but ease of convenience and familiarity means that unless I'm personally running something else when no one else wants to we aren't playing anything but DnD. There are no real local groups in my metropolitan hellhole though so I'm shit out of luck
>>96908345
They aren't fans of being locked into an archetype of sorts with the supernatural creatures, as part of their main refusal to want to actively play it. I could probably get some luck with Hunter because playing a dude is a lot easier

>>96908360
Arguably any of them. It felt like one of the points they were trying to make with H5 orgs was that each one is bad except the one (You) and yours side with. Except they don't go that far which defeats the purpose, the orgs might as well just be labeled 'Unknown backing ps. ST make up lore'

>>96908367
I'd be surprised if Wraith is workable too frankly. Probably massive lore retcons or a
>Maelstrom killed everyone
situation

>>96908317
Well, I’m not keen on just let this little tale end tragically, but you never know what’s on the horizon

Particularly because she’s using him to empower herself so she can burn down her dad’s pharma company… and he’s an extraordinary citizen managing it for the Syndicate

>>96908346
Depends on which of the tribes have the most sway and which Apocalypse scenario occurs, a couple of the Garou victory scenarios keep human civilisation intact.

>>96908417
>spoiler
W-what's that? Our investments are in danger?! Send in everyone enforcer we got, Get some HIT marks, call the SPD if you have to!

>>96908317
>Verbena and Red Talon
>Finding happiness together
Top 5 situations scribed before disaster followed shortly by
>Mr. Two Dicks getting a divorce from the Bane

>>96908411
Everyone was already dead...

>>96908417
Well hey. Those people can be killed in, maybe, wild animal attacks. We can't be sure and what he doesn't know won't hurt him
Now I'm curious if Verbena would be able to make a fetish or some equivalent for the Talon. Kind of as a 'parting' gift on the day the event is set to happen incase anything goes bad.
Either way, it's a nifty little budding alliance that's rather fitting. Good work.

>>96908241
>Vampfags regularly talk about how much they hate their own metaplot, how much the Anarchs suck, and how often they end up homebrewing/rewriting shit anyway
>Half of the magefag population outright rejects the setting's basic premise that the globohomo fantasy known as the technocracy was well intentioned but have become monsters slowly killing the world they claim to save
>Most of the dogfags love to talk about how retarded werewolves are and how they're responsible for the mess that they landed themselves in and how they really fucked things up with the Impergium and War of Rage
fixed for you

>>96908390
The reasonable voices being ignored is the defining feature of Garou politics.

>>96908453
And they'll be dead for a third time! Just in a way that indicates Nana's on her way to visit her grandchildren in the skinlands.

>>96908457
I propose the covert extermination of all trouble makers through proxies? I would suggest involving mages but that would end in starring down the business end of a plasma cannon.

>>96908453
Well now they're supermegaghostdead instead of normal dead. As cool as exploring a ruined Necropolis Kingdom long departed of reasonable souls sounds, I don't think Dark Souls the TTRPG is going to hook many people in.
Hell, Dark Souls the TTRPG might be better than what we're going to get when you have to roll ghost dice if you use Arcanoi too much and then your character has a schizoid episode where your shadow does every bad choice you could think of

>>96908484
Yes I agree, the Red Talons need to go.

>>96908241
Revisionist history folks.
You are literally replying to a bait, to anon who goes "WTA fans thinskinned" to get yous every thread or two.
(Also, I still remember you throwing baits on reddit and 4chan simultaneously against Magefags)

>>96908404
Most hunters have noble intentions but suffer from lacking information / being too dogmatic, that's what makes them fun.

>>96908398
That's unfortunate, I suppose a case that a werewolf isn't all that different from playing an elf or dwarf or whatever, wouldn't hold water?

Vigil is a safe bet, you can cover a lot of different monster hunting angles with it. Plus you can then unleash a werewolf on them and angle for "wouldn't it be fun to all be those guys?" if they respond to that.

>>96908452
It'll only be a disaster when the Talon learns Mom is Lilith instead of Gaia :^)

>>96908496
But then we don't get the conclusion to the Red Talon getting rizzed by the druid
Speaking of that, I wonder how the other anons posting character concepts like the Lupus born and the abuse victim chick or the anon who's friend wanted to play a semi-retarded lupus born

>>96908456
I don't know if it's the fans of W:tA hitting that last drum so hard.

>>96908517
Well, an Elf or a Dwarf is a fantasy race that's easy to get into. A dude who turns into a wolf is dangerously furry thanks to modern culture and there's just less interest running it compared to Vampire. I got somewhat a few VtM sessions planned for the end of the year when the current story wraps up so I'm not quite at nogames but I'd like to do introductions to the greater setting

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>>96908229
God, I still remember how they call org hunters, including Leopold, Jobbers.
>>96908241
This is either bait, or a very retarded take, either way, have your You because you made me chuckle.

>>96908547
I think WtA fans genuinely enjoy Garou being retards overall. I know I do, flawed well-intentioned extremists is quite a kino trope

>>96908554
True, the furry perception really doesn't help. Sounds like you've got your eggs lined up anon, best of luck.

>>96908568
I like the fact that they're completely doomed.

>>96908558
Leopoldites are jobbers though. They don't really function on their own.

>>96908454
That's an interesting idea, she does has dots in spirit but I'm not sure if it's enough to make a fetish (her primary sphere is life). Granted, I don't know as much about Mage as I know about Werewolf so it might not be as difficult as I think

But she is nice enough to make such a parting gift if she's able to

>>96908569
Yeah in DnD terms it's sort of like asking my players to all run a Tabaxi even if the setting is built for it, I'll try to broach them on it when they get more of a taste for the setting as they don't really understand WoD being as crappy as it is

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>>96908575
The fact that they still fight makes BSD seethe in hatred. Which makes my day.

>>96908575
Only if you go with W20 (the Apocalypse is happening but it's slow and torturous, not a climactic battle like the Garou expected) or W5 (the Apocalypse has happened, Gaia is slowly dying). Revised has werewolves catching up and self-correcting just in time to potentially avert the Apocalypse.

>>96908558
>St. Leopold
Since when did old Leo get to officially become a saint?

>>96908575
That is quite kino. I think W5 is too doomed on the other hand but as a setting it's neat to know you're basically just fighting for closure rather than any real hope of winning though I am aware there are genuine victory conditions for WtA that aren't just you lived slightly longer after the world collapsed

>>96908600
But you can't really call Leopold Hunters someone who just "does the job":

(Also, if Leopold jobbers, H5 Hunters are babies since even their edges suck)

>>96908615
It's a V5 thing. Though technically I think the rename first popped up in the afront to god that is Beckett's Jyhad Diary.

>>96908451
We will mobilize whoever we can, but our closest forces are already dealing with another reality deviant in the region. Apparently a night club owned by one of our fellow enlightened businessmen is being attacked by... uh...

A horribly mutated werewolf with 2 masculine genital organs and 4 hands...

Excuse me, I need some hypercoffee...

>>96908600
They don't fall into the category of your average glowie, working for the state. If you sign up with them, you sigh up for life. They expect you to die if that's what it takes to complete your task since dying to protect God's creation is a worthy end.

>>96908118
I'm the bottom post & I'm NOT in support of the trauma/rape/abuse whatever allegory, the one dipshit couldn't look past. I had my own issues with CtL & I don't think they're all that universal, feel free to disagree with me. While I'm not a Magefag, i dont even play Mage (im much more of a Vampire/Wraith/Werewolf fag), but I do think Archmages should be more powerful than/rivaling the Gentry. I really like a lot about CtL but I think some CtL players are as bad as Magefags when it comes to sucking off the Gentry & the powers of "story" & "title" & all that jazz. Lostlings are really annoying with the way they view their splat the same way Magefags are, but Lostlings are in denial about it.

Just to be clear. I'm not the "its a trauma sim" dipshit

>>96908622
All the Leopoldites we see are borderline insane nutjobs that could rival PC Hunters, they're only "jobbing" in the sense that they aren't actively picking their hunts without being high up in the order like Bach

>>96908091
Wish I had the time to post in schreckt again. That was really fun

>>96908558
>You rmemember the Inquisition, right? The people who dedicate their lives to fighting all forms of the supernatural without mercy or doubt? Yeah, they're just like your average joe working a 9-5

>>96908610
Nobody likes having it pointed out to them that they're the failures and cowards.

>>96908547
There's always nuance. The Wyrm orchestrated the War of Rage and the other Fera fell for the ruse just as much as the Garou. The Garou were right to identify humanity as a problematic species in need of regulation that threatened the balance.
But that nuance doesn't change the fact that the Garou handled both of those situations in a really retarded way and even though the Garou have saved the world on multiple occasions in the past, they've utterly failed to prevent the world from sliding towards the inevitable Apocalypse, due to their own rage-fuelled stupidity. And that's fun. It's fun to play the latest generation of Garou, exploring the retardation of the elders and trying to understand how they reached that point so that you can undo their influence and find a better way, before the world ends.

>>96908343
Yeah, my hope is that when they get older I can bring them into the hobby, or they'll have their own interests & i can get some free time to game & rebuilding a group

>>96908663
>>96908118
Not involved with this conversation before now, but I always dislike the core conceit that the Gentry are all alien to the point of monstrosity either. Mainly because it feels reductive and one-note? Inhuman mindsets don't always automatically lead to torture and suffering, Like I get that if your Keeper was sometimes fairly decent to you and you adapted well to her alien mindset you'd have no reason to escape or join a cope group for therapy which is core to the game's identity, but well, why can't such Gentry exist? They just don't end up with escaped Changelings.

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>>96908615
...actually, I don't know. Maybe it's a V5 thing?
Because I just looked at my Dark Ages Inquisitor and he isn't a Saint. Maybe he was sainted after his death? But the Inquisition book doesn't mention it.
>>96908669
Look at H5, any Leopold would kick their ass. Bach would wipe his ass with them.
I am a semi-hunterfag (mostly because I don't get the chance to play or run hunter games often) when I am not vampirefag but Hunters Hunter has better Backgrounds than all of their Edges.
>>96908687
>But that nuance doesn't change the fact that the Garou handled both of those situations in a really retarded way
Could be worse. They could have listened to Nagah.

>>96908663
Thank you for the clarification anon, my bad on mistaking you with another hater.

Wanna make a salubri neonate in nyc. Is this retarded and even lore compatible

>>96907833
I really want to run Forsaken (at the same time, my group is a variety group and we've probably been favoring WoD games a little too much recently) because it feels as Werewolfy as it can while still being playable and without abandoning the spirit-warrior conceit. Every werewolf has solid physical benefits, but the game heavily encourages teamwork. When you fight a big enemy, you feel like a pack of wolves, working together to slay something terrifying. There's a lot of different build options, you can play a character who mostly buffs and debuffs, howling at the moon to fill your allies' hearts with courage and your foe's with despair. You can be a ganker striking from the shadows, and the front-line blending war beast is still a perfectly fine build. There's fighting styles that further lean into this idea of build diversity. There's one for the rampaging berserker that increases the power of all-out attacks, there's one that allows your strikes to block your enemy's use of spiritual energy (essence), my favorite conceptually is Tactical Shifting, which encourages you to shift between multiple forms during combat.

Speaking of, every form has a use case. Your hybrid form is not an immediate go-to in any fighting scene. It's your nuclear option, spend too much time in it and you go absolutely feral. Think of it like The Wolf Among Us, the more werewolf Bigby goes, the more powerful he gets, but the more likely to go into a blind rage he is.

The enemy variety is great, and it does a good job of keeping the threat level high without forcing you into a limiting apocalyptic worldview. You can actually breathe after, which is a boon on the RP front. Idigam are eldritch horrors, Geryo were the fucked up first attempt to make Werewolves that were locked away for good reason, they can even infect proper Werewolves and make them twisted and degenerate, not to mention Spirits, Claimed, Pure, Bale Hounds and much more.

Really fun looking game.

>>96908731
If you can make it work it's not retarded.

>>96908637
>A horribly mutated werewolf with 2 masculine genital organs and 4 hands...
Damn it! It that a reality deviant or are the Progenitors mad about us cuting their funding again?
Fine...whatever. The Bottom Line always provides. See if we can emply some Dispatch Center to help with this, get someone from Cobalt Security on the line.

>>96908456
That doesn't really work though. Both the vampfags and magefags are being critical of their own game and its premise.

Lupine retardation and the mistakes of the past creating an apocalypse that you have to deal with right now IS THE PREMISE of WtA.

>>96908687
>The Garou were right to identify humanity as a problematic species in need of regulation that threatened the balance.
Ah I see we have a werewolf murder-rape apologist here.

>>96908752
How can one make it work?

>>96908716
V5 thing. In the Inquisition book he was never made an official saint.

>>96908708
>Like I get that if your Keeper was sometimes fairly decent to you and you adapted well to her alien mindset you'd have no reason to escape or join a cope group for therapy which is core to the game's identity, but well, why can't such Gentry exist? They just don't end up with escaped Changelings.
They do exist, they just don't end up with escaped changelings, except for the ones who grow bored of their changelings. See the playmate kith, who are typically described as being tossed aside by their Keepers instead of having to escape from them.
But it can be difficult to justify why your changeling who enjoyed their time with their Keeper and parted ways with their Keeper amicably is going to end up in a freehold, working with other changelings. Everyone's going to think that they're a loyalist.

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>>96908716
>Hunters Hunter has better Backgrounds than all of their Edges.
Just to prove it, here is the Background.
At 5 Dots it's
> Your armory is the envy of paramilitary forces
around the world
>You have access to a significant
quantity of weapons that are illegal in most
countries, and enough of them to field your
own platoon.

>>96908568
Every werewolf player ive ever met always plays one of these types

>The retarded dude bro who is there to smash & having a good time

>The cowboy/samurai type doomed warrior the world has moved on from

>Hippie spiritualist/native American smokem peace pipe shaman

>hacker/matrix black trenchcoat & guns "Im Neo with fur"

>>96908773
Hidden Salubri with a much more present mentor, you kind of have to hide what you are unless you're alone I figure. Sort of like you're playing trouble in terrorist town

>>96908808
This is a problem that could've been easily solved with just one supplement book about playing as Loyalists and Privateers.

>>96908808
The problem as I see it is that the lore as presented makes such Keepers extremely rare and unusual, while the horribly abusive ones are the vast majority, and ones in the middle are uncommon. I just never liked the idea of "All fae are horrible alien terror-monsters" like you saw with the Raksha and such, instead of having a range from things like Brownies to things like Nuckelavee. It's a necessity of the premise that you're dealing with LORDLY fae, but in folklore and myth those still ran the personality/ethical gamut. The issue is one of stereotyping that kinda reduces what I enjoy about fairies in general.