>>96982160
Can we acknowledge for a moment how fucking HARD that Commando is with his SRM4? Man is locked the fuck in.

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Laughing in the face of combined arms

>>96982186
I'm more concerned with why the Vindicator is sending up the bat signal.

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When you roll RATs for merc units, do you use the Mercenaries Table or also the table for the state they originate from?

Working on mercs from the Outworlds.

>>96982208
>man, I hope the enemy doesn't realize my ppc has been replaced with a flashlight after the budget cuts

I bought an Arctic Fox model like six months ago and now that I'm working on assembling it I don't remember what it's for. It's got a heady mix of Stalker-leg and hip-shoulders though. Intoxicating, almost.

>>96982160
About 70% of the time I see a Vindicator, this song plays in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94dmLthBHA

>>96982291
>and now that I'm working on assembling it I don't remember what it's for.

It's for being awesome. Just like the sign reads, it's an IS Kit Fox. Unfortunately it can't quite fit a Gauss Rifle, but give it 2 HPPCs and watch it melt while catching all the fire on the board.

>>96982186
25t light mech choosing to plant his feet sends a message. Hes also the only one with camo.

>>96982208
The trees are speaking French

For /yourdudes/ Sexy Mechwarrior or Tank/Pilot Suit?

>>96982358
in my mind clanners get the suits the IS get cheeks hanging out

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>>96982350
>The trees are speaking French

I think Italian fits better (Andurien).

>>96982386
Clanners get full body fishnets and extra slutty thongs.

>tell that to the Apollo astronauts who were filming on set

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>>96982358
Unfortunately pilots need to wear G-suits that also seal against vacuum. G-suits by their very nature can't be very sexy because they're composed of a bunch of tubes that inflate and deflate.

>>96982358
Both according to individual availability and preference, and how good they look in a string bikini.

>>96982390
i vote for just nets and vest and bush thank you for coming to my ted talk

Actually I have a question about the whole cockpit heat thing. If your mech is oversinked for whatever reason so you never run hot does the cockpit ever get hot? Or does the cockpit temp still spike when firing weapons but the heatsinks and lifesuport quickly cool the cockpit afterwards?

>>96982675
Depends on who's writing, I reckon. A lot of the fluff isn't consistent and the heat rules are abstracted fairly heavily.

>>96982358
Sexy Mechwarrior always. But none of them are women because I'm not gay.

Is there anywhere with a map of the FRR superimposed over the pre-independence LC/DC border? Like the Clan border maps in ER: 3052

>>96982160
Best issue of BattleTechnology, with the best fiction and best scenarios. Superb choice OP.
Damn shame that William H. Keith dropped the magazine for whatever reason.

I know they're tiny to reflect the canon scale between them and mechs but dear god I wish the Battlearmor minis were two or three times bigger so you could see proper details. I'm just going use tokens and shit to represent them in games because I don't think they're worth the money.

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>ComStar being an open, proper 6th major power
>Shitton of smaller states
Damm, I like this map (not the Gothic fluff itself) more than canon 3025

>>96982729
Nevermind, I found it. HB:HS, page 59.

>>96982918
>giant capcon for no reason

It's nice to see Coleman still keeping and oar in.

Anyway, what's all the little statelets?

>>96982887
The old IWM ones are roughly twice as big. They're actually almost too big, it's hard to fit a whole squad/point of them on one base without them being shoulder to shoulder.

>>96982203
>3 100 ton max armor bricks vs AOW vehicles
That's the equivalent of rolling up on a WW1 trench with 3 Mk.V tanks and claiming infantry combat is obsolete.

>>96982940
Some of them are quarantine zones rather than states, where the worlds are all so fucked by abominations that they're written off (but may still have something approaching a civilization) some are "marauder states" that are kind of the settings equivalent of the periphery and it's more politically convenient to just let them be independent (or "independent") than to go through the bother of conquering them. Despite having big fancy mechs, Gothic is actually madmaxtech. There are even less mech factories than in canon and the number of designs that have survived in widespread use to 302X are even more limited.

>>96982957
It actually depends on the model. Something like the Inner Sphere Standards were only kind of big, while something like the Theseus is the size of a Protomech.

>>96982975
The very fact that a prototype early mech is inherently better than proven conventional vehicles of its age is proof enough of the superiority of mechs. It's not like those vehicles are outdated, all of the technology that they put into the Mackie would have been known and been integrated into conventional vehicles well beforehand. The Mackie came out on top because of the superiority of the mech, not because it was fighting antiquated convees.

>>96983080
> It's not like those vehicles are outdated, all of the technology that they put into the Mackie would have been known and been integrated into conventional vehicles well beforehand
That's not quite true, actually. The mackie was the first to mount full BAR armor, which was pretty significant.

>>96983145
Because it was the only vehicle that could, none of the other vehicles were capable of mounting it.

>>96983162
There's nothing stopping convees from mounting BAR10 armor, they just didn't mount it yet.
Most tanks at the time of the Styx raid still mounted bar 7 armor, of course they're gonna eat it against something with a large laser and a PPC.

>>96982675
Given that heat is measured in the timescale of 10 second turns, I would say that it probably stays cool. If there is a heat spike from firing all weapons but with enough heat sinks to remove it all, there will be heat going into the cockpit but the excess must be slow to arrive to the cockpit via the coolant, and it will only become mildly warm. It simply not physically possible for the cockpit to heat up to sweltering within the span of 5 seconds and then go back down to 0 excess heat in the next 5, that would be disorienting to the point of being unpilotable. The only exception to this is when a hot weapon is located right next to the cockpit.

>>96983205
You wouldn't slap together multiple unknown new technologies without knowing if they even worked yet on a regular vehice.

>>96982918
Aborminations and Frayed forming their multi-systems mini state was an interesting idea; Too bad it will not be developed further
>Werewolf girl being a good doggo to her handler was cute and sad

>>96983217
Yeah, probably not. I agree that the tanks still running obsolescent tech is entirely reasonable, the raid was notable for demonstrating how game changing the advanced tech was.

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>>96982675
>momentary gust of warmth in his cockpit
Not sure

>>96982675
I think the operating temperatures would be toasty but comfortable for a mech "running cold". The life support can smooth it out and it'll never peak beyond a light balm, but you could probably feel the difference from booting it up.

To put it differently, you'll still want your cooling vest/suit because the alternative is going boxer-briefs and socks, but you'll be at worst uncomfortable. If you have a jacket on though you're taking that fucker off.

>>96983250
Honestly if I was MechWarrior socks would be the first thing to go. I'm piloting that fucker in flip flops, I don't want to get trench foot piloting in sweat soaked socks all deployment long

>>96983280
You gotta get those big plasteel boots that hook into the cooling system.

>>96983244
>>>the running Abominations was struck
Man, having your name right next to that too...

How would you guys fluff a Merc from Taurian? Or from Canopus but serious?

>>96983323
Maybe it's a proper noun. It's John Abominations.

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>>96983280
gotta go barefoot obviously

>>96983291
Well la-di-da Mr. Tharkad high society with his fancy plasteel boots

>>96983339
Actually its ok, I just realized it could have said "one of the running..." and be correct.

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The lead character in Mechwarrior 5’s Wolves of Tukayyid is Ranna Kerensky

Are there indirect fire SRMs?

>>96983080
>BAR10
>PPC
>AC10
Bruh.

Is there a reason why you can't mix single and double heatsinks? IS double heatsinks are so big and I can think of some double heatsink mechs that could use a handful of extra single heatsinks shoved in legs or center torso.

>>96983438
It's an arbitrary line in the sand the devs don't want to cross for whatever reason. Nothing would break if it was allowed and Freezers prove it.

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>>96982094
>Wasn't the whole 'cooling vest and throng' just a coomer excuse?
Define a "coomer excuse". The way I see it, if it was there in the very first published books, then that's the way the setting is intended at its purest form, before being watered down to have a more mass market appeal.

>>96983438
It's one of the things that MW5/MWO does that is frankly a solid feature.
>lore
>single heatsinks just burn out with doubles ok!?!
It's another Rifles do less damage/Pulse laser accuracy buff/inferno/flamer heat cap/magic power armor weights and magic power armor durability things that will never get fixed.
>10 single heat sinks fit in a engine
>10 double heat sinks fit in the same space
>10 clan doubles fit
Apparently battletech fusion engines can act as pocket dimensions.

>>96983280
>Go barefoot.
>Proceed to burn your feet when you decide it be funny to shoot all the lasers.

Honestly you shouldn't be going skivvies at all when temps reach that high.

>>96983500
I've always taken engine sinks to be possible from a structural difference in housing them in the fusion engine rather than externally in the mech's chassis. The fact you can get 10 IS doubles worth of sinking into the fusion engine doesn't mean there is empty space in them all for stuffing 3 times the singles in there.

It is, of course, initially a design conceit to keep from having to fill mechs head to toe with heatsink slots. You shouldn't worry about it too much.

Honestly though I'm not sure what would break if you allowed mixed sinks. The only thing that comes to mind is IS designs with leg sinks, but choosing to put them in the legs already has the drawbacks intrinsic to putting the sinks there for niche extra cooling.

>>96983498
It was the 80's. In reality you would have the complete opposite setup, look at firefighters, asphalt workers, steelworkers, aviation mechanics, they wear clothes to cover their skin, not fucking speedos and fishnets.
>Godzilla
Fun fact, the first "Godzilla" suit actor Haruo Nakajima was a steelworker, because everyone else couldn't wear the heavy foam rubber for more than 20 minutes without passing out.

>>96983526
>fill the mechs
It actually would fix a lot of fucking mechs, the Maurader-3R and Shadowhawk could use those as crit padding because besides ammo mechs have absolutely nothing in them.

>>96983526
Engine sinks are a different category of item for the purposes of refits and repairs, doing anything with the engine sinks is a higher category of refit than doing anything with crit slot sinks. The St. Florian only exists because it made more sense for the manufacturer to swap out the SHS engines on Highlanders for DHS ones wholesale, so they had a bunch of leftover engines with SHS sinks and repurposed them.

>>96983579
>engine sinks are different
HOW.

If I were designing a go anywhere, do anything all terrain war machine intended to be operated for days or even weeks at a time, one thing I would put in is life support systems capable of keeping the cabin at a reasonable temperature no matter the outside conditions.

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>>96983498
I fully agree

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>>96983592

>>96983585
They aren't sinks, they are regenerative cooling units that harvest electricity from heat generated and reduce the load on the reactor (thus reducing heat output further).

>>96983588
That's always confused me about Mechs, they're supposed to be sealed all environment weapons yet they can't fucking insulate the cockpit from minor fucking heat? The SR71's skin would get up to 950° during flight and the crew didn't complain about cooking alive. And heat caused ammunition explosions are absolutely bonkers.

>>96983616
>called the same
>act the same
>weigh the same
>also casually violate thermodynamics
Ok.

>>96983638
>act the same
>weigh the same
Gameplay mechanics
>called the same
Battletech has realistic lazy people

Is there a google maps-esque galactic map for BT?

Reading Double-Blind and want to orient the story.
>putting in my effort to understand the story than the writers did in drafting it

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>>96983629
This SR71? The one with specialized high performance cooling systems to keep the pilots alive?

>>96983670
https://www.gruese.de/innersphere/

But its dated in 3025.

>>96983688
Yeah no shit. That's what I'm talking about.

>>96983629
The heat is coming from inside the house. Myomer is hot.

>>96983629
The mech's AC has to contend with energy weapons burning hot, AC gases, missile rockets that are probably venting hot gases into the mech, a nuclear engine that's probably just boiling water to charge a battery, and jump jets that are propelling the mech that's dozens of tons heavy.

>>96983592
>>96983596
Why does Battletech have like zero smut even though it's been around for ages?

>>96983812
Battletech smut
Vanilla elemental sibko smut
Capellan whorehouse smut
Canopian yuri femdom smut
Lyran nobility Scheiße smut

>>96983812
The biggest reason is that it's never been all that popular. A secondary reason is that the universe doesn't really focus on specific characters long enough for people to get attached.

People are more interested in the likes of Hermione Granger and/or Kylo Ren than Lori Kalmar or Theodore Kurita.

>>96982203
Just noticed the guy getting ready to charge them with a sword. Clearly he is about to turn this all around!

>>96983710
They needed dedicated heat pumps to keep the pilots alive on the jet engine's waste heat and the friction of going Mach 3. How is that going to even be close to comparable to another 30 ton vehicle with a fusion reactor inside? Assuming we say that shit is fucking cold, which boggles the mind but is apparently the assumption in the lore, we have to account for weapons and myomer. If we assume crudely that 1 heat is comparable to 1 damage (wholly on flamer math) and that 1 point of damage is roughly comparable to 90 MJ energy (as that's roughly what it takes to destroy 1 ton of battlemech armor). Each small laser firing then would require bleeding off 90 MJs of heat in addition to any baseline components, and unlike with jet propulsion you're not expelling hot mass through operation, you have to pump that shit away.

The incidental heat transfer to the cockpit compartment may vary by mechs, but given the orders of magnitude more needed to cool the mech; it can be forgiven for being a little fucking toasty in motion.

Put more simply: It's not minor fucking heat retard.

>>96983799
So hot that Dr. Atlas lost his genitalia in a freak bundle contraction bench test incident.

>>96983911
You must reckon with the fact that unless the system is damaged by weapons fire it never gets hot enough to injure the pilot. The temperature range that requires special cooling equipment but still allows for exposed skin is very small. At some point in six hundred years of development someone should have found a way to keep the cockpit twenty degrees cooler.

>>96983949
They did. They call them "Double Heat Sinks" and if you slap them in a mech that tries to burn itself to slag, it amazingly stops doing that.

Naturally that means they just started making mechs run hotter.

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What are some iconic or flavorful Purpl Birb tanks? I've seen the AC/10 Vedette is FWL only but it becomes extinct quickly. Was thinking of giving them a Bulldog too but that's just because they're common and I have 3 of them.

>>96983812
There was a Russian who did Lyran schoolgirl yuri a while back but other than that there isn't really a demand.

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I hate this gave me a chuckle.

>>96984071
Ontos. It's almost exclusively used by FWL, and even gets a LGR variant later, which is pretty much as FWL as you can get without having a civil war against Andurien.

>>96983498
>Define a "coomer excuse".
Anything appealing to the cishet male gaze is coomer nonsense and doesn't belong in Battletech. There's no justification to include sexy female Mechwarriors aside from appealing to cishet men. It's just a decision to appeal to coomers, and it doesn't belong here.

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>>96984240
>cishet male gaze

>>96984252
Did it hurt when you fell off that turnip truck? I have a good deal on brooklyn real estate for you. Would you like to play a game of three card monte?

>>96983585
In turbine engines they're called "regenerators". You use them to absorb waste heat from the exhaust and pump it back into the earlier compressor stages. It improves efficiency of the system overall and reduces the resulting exhaust temperatures considerably.
Same principle would apply to other reactor types where you're attempting to just reduce thermal waste/leakage.

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>>96983080
>It's not like those vehicles are outdated
>>96983145
Those Merkava the Mackie went up against were Mark VI, specifically a remote controlled model that required removing it's LRM 10 launcher.
They had already upgraded to the Mark VII four years before the Mackie was tested.

>>96983223
>>Werewolf girl being a good doggo to her handler was cute and sad
NOOOO!

>>96984240
>>96984278
It's a cishet's world, you're just living in it.

>>96984818
The mackie tank retcon was because later writers got upset that tanks were getting owned. It's a flat "tanks can't be that weak, right?" retcon put in twenty years later. It's embarrassing.

>>96984818
>Those Merkava the Mackie went up against were Mark VI
That's not the incident that's referred to in >>96982203. That's when the a lance of Mackies went up against an entire enemy tank battalion with infantry and air support and still kicked their ass without a scratch.

Seems like there aren't a lot of mechs with NARC that don't have LRMs themselves.

>>96985104
I wonder why that is

>>96983592
What book?

>>96985104
It's a common design issue. The designers presumably wanted the Narc mechs to be able to function even if there wasn't a missileboat in the same lance so they mostly gave Narc to missile-armed mechs. But the range of Narc means you'd want to get close to the targets to hit them with it, while LRM mechs want to stay at range.

>>96985114
Think that's from Decision at Thunder Rift, the part where Grayson Carlyle forces Lori Kalmar to abandon her mech and takes her prisoner.

>play HBStech
>do the derelict SLDF flashpoints
>spend 2 months jumping across the system every other mission to chase down the leads
>finally get to the big payoff
>nasty k and the bounty hunter
>their whole retinues
>all of them with lostech, +++ items and rare mechs
>play the mission carefully to make sure i get as many clean CT or cockpit kills as possible
>NONE OF THE GOOD SHIT DROPS
>best thing that dropped was a medium laser++ and a TTS+
>no pulse lasers, no ER PPCs, no double heat sinks, no mech salvage
>okay.jpg
>get the loot crate at the end of all this
>its complete dogshit, get (1) salvage piece for the SLDF Black Knight and everything else is AC/5s, LRM 5s and other junk
>none of the items are even lostech
>not a single pulse or ER laser
>some of it isn't even + rated
You have to face two of the baddest pilots in the galaxy, both of whom have special abilities that completely buttfuck your mechs, and the payout is roughly what you would get from a three skull mission. Worse when you account for getting zero mech salvage. How the fuck do you spend this entire time chasing this SLDF relic that's supposed to be full of good loot and you get none of it? How the fuck do you fight two entire lances decked out in the absolute best shit in the game and you get none of it?

>>96985202
fuck you, that's why, pal

>>96985104
There's not a lot of mechs with NARC, period.
Of course, with some sort of SRM-boat NARC would still be helpful, but the problem with NARC is that you only get six shots per ton, not many of those are going to land, when you strip the armor off from under it you lose the beacon you attached, and compared to TAG is too much of an investment. TAG used to only affect vanilla LRMs because players were misinterpreting the rules and the difference between spotting and designating, but now can be used in lieu of spotting vanilla LRMs, while NARC can't.

Plus, NARC is defeated by ECM, while TAG isn't.
NARC got obsolesced and largely faded into obscurity in favor of TAG, Streaks, and Artemis IV. It'll need lots of love if it's going to break even with the alternatives. I still think it's fun to use, but it's better served by pairing NARC units with old missile units with standard tubes, swapping ammunition for NARC type to take advantage of the perks. SRM2 launchers especially get a good boost from NARC, making many of the old hovercraft much more effective.

>>96985202
I think the equipment is a crapshoot, but for mechs, you can maximize mech salvage by getting a headcap which is really tough without pilot aimed location bonuses, or you can try knocking out legs and STs to knock the warrior over so much they die in the cockpit. if a warrior isn't dead from taking out a leg and both STs then it's better to just take out the second leg and take 2 salvaged components than risk coring the CT.

>>96982271
I'd use Merc tables for long established mercs that do most of their shopping with free traders and in merc hubs, faction tables for recently funded/deserted units from a specific faction.

I haven't run a campaign in meatspace for an age, but I've been thinking of using RATs to make marketplaces, similar to how AtB does them, not giving players limitless choice but more agency than just what the dice give them.

>>96984954
Company, not a battalion. And I don't think inf or air support are ever mentioned, there aren't a lot of details on the Styx raid AFAIK.

>>96985365
They definitely mentioned that there was infantry support as well.

And regardless people have already done the math, mechs are much more cost-efficient than tanks (both BV and C-bill) and can reliably take out twice their tonnage in tanks.

>>96985385
That's not possible. There's going to be more tanks then Mechs, and being outnumbered is a guaranteed loss due to the way intiative works. A single high BV unit cannot defeat multiple adversaries. That's Battletech 101. Do you even play the game?

>>96985434
>A single high BV unit cannot defeat multiple adversaries. That's Battletech 101.
*laughs in Clan tech*

>>96985434
Yes there's going to be more tanks than mechs, but it takes about three times the amount of tank tonnage (and far more BV and C-bill cost in terms of tanks) to have good odds against a mech. We've done the math, it's just statistics.

>>96985458
*laughs in Schiltrons carrying Davy Crockett Arrow IVs*
Mechs are garbage next to tanks. Just shoot the legs.

>>96985453
The fiction of a clan Mech taking on a lance of IS Mechs is just that. A fiction. It only happens in the novels, which aren't even really canon, and it certainly can't happen on the tabletop.

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>>96985434
>being outnumbered is a guaranteed loss due to the way intiative works
Wow, the same argument? All over again, just for me? You
shouldn't have!

Anyway mechs are cool, convees drool, and the setting and rules wont change for you. I sentence you to ten million years of mechs punting tanks.

>>96985508
A mech's legs are much more armored than a tank's treads.

>>96985434
Due to the way initiative works, the lance would move all of their mechs at the same time. When you have twice as many units left to move, you move two. When you have three times, you move three. When you have four times, you move four.

>>96985618
>>96985518
But this is easy to test and has been tested. Here, even.

>>96985629
Gee, it's almost like you're responding to poorly crafted bait.

Praise Blake and pass the warcrimes

>>96985104
A lot of those mechs are FWL designs and meant to be taken as part of larger formations for overlapping defense. The basic idea is that trying to engage a single unit means you get NARC'd. That opens you up to LRM fire from every other member of the unit regardless of LoS. It's meant as a defensive deterrent. Whether that's a good idea or not is debatable.

>>96985741
Yeah, Narc should be used similarly to C3. If all your LRM boats have Narc and they're all spread out, then any one of them can narc up an attacker for the rest to dogpile.

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>>96984114
Canopus seems to be where cringe concentrates these days. We should blow it up.

>>96985156
>>96985252
>>96985741
Here's how NARC should work:
Ranged modifiers halved, round down, including min range penalties.
+2 to cluster roll.
First cluster always hits the NARC'd location.

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>fusion engines don't take more space as they get biggger. They just get heavier

>>96985813
Jormungandr was such a retarded anime

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>>96985202
The Kurita handler outright tells you he only has some random stuff to give you. The actual reward is the boost to your reputation and the bullshark you got the mission prior.

>>96985629
It is anything but easy to test as nobody can agree that the test is performed to their satisfaction
> the wrong units/variants were used
> the wrong # of units were used
> this isnt the right map for this kind of encounter
> RNG swung too much one way

>>96985202
> How the fuck do you spend this entire time chasing this SLDF relic that's supposed to be full of good loot and you get none of it?

New to the setting? Happens to pretty much everyone who finds a Brian cache or other SLDF goodies.

>>96985901
Even in flat open lands that favor tanks the mechs still win overwhelmingly against multiple tanks of equivalent tonnage with a higher combined BV/C-Bill cost

>>96985856
>m.jpg

>>96985914
Incorrect. An Awesome will win about 2/3rds of the time against a similar BV of shreks, being critically damaged almost all of the time. An Awesome will lose against an equal BV of of Scorpions 75% of the time.

>>96985813
>Canopus seems to be where cringe concentrates these days.
People see that it's a matriarchy that's predominantly non-white and latch onto to it thinking it's the greatest place in Battletech. And if you bring up any of it's flaws then they'll scream that it's either not true or that the devs are neckbeard incels.

>>96985914
If it was this clear cut we wouldnt be debating it every other thread

>>96986165
what flaws do they have?

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>>96986215
They're Space Vegas.

>>96986215
They're sexist as fuck.

>>96986165
>that's predominantly non-white
Uh, what? You made this up just now.

>>96986215
Them and the Kuritas are the only openly and legally sexist polities left, I understand. To the point where: "Throw the male conscripts at the robot to force its kill counter to reset." is a legitimate tactic they use.

>>96986215
Their underclass is really, really poor. Like, masses of homeless people living and dying of preventable diseases in the outflow pipes behind the glitzy tourist strip poor. If you're a tourist, it's great. If you're one of the crime lords, corporate executives or nobles running things, it's great. If you're not rich or a tourist, it pretty quickly starts to go downhill.

>>96984217
Tyvm, gonna pluck one out of the box and prime it for their color scheme then. Wonder how funny a lance would be using different variants to fill different range brackets.

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>>96986215
They think it's Gay Luxury Communism with POC characteristics, but in actuality it's Kaiji with your debtors chopping you in half to give you an easily cleanable bussy and hips that can move automatically.

>>96986222
>Lyran priestess
A priestess of what? Do Lyrans have a major religion?

>>96986654
A priestess of whatever religion has ceremonial medallions. There are plenty of space religions out there.

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>>96986215
>how to explain why canopus BAD to redditors in one image

>>96986654
According to CGL it's judaism.
No, seriously, look in total warfare, they've got a galactic map of IRL current day religions even though no religion has remained static for a thousand years. Also this map makes no mention of Blakism, the one actual in-universe battletech relevant religion.

>>96986669
Are there? Aside from the church of Saint Cameron and some Cappy doom cults I only heard of real life religions in BT.

>>96986695
>I only heard of real life religions in BT.
only in newer material too, the original books only ever mentioned battletech religions the few times any were mentioned.

>>96986695
There's multiple cappy doom cults coming at it from multiple different angles, including the Thugees and the Worm/Ash Witch cult, the Cult of the Saints Cameron, the Exituri, One Star, New Hedons, and of course, Blakism, plus many others that only get mentioned once or twice. Most of them are lucky to get any kind of writeup at all.

>>96986382
Kyalla Centrella had an African look to her based on the portrait they keep posting and ive seen some people claim that the world's were initially settled by Caribbean Africans.

>>96986689
Are you taking issue with current day religions existing 1000 years from now? Most major world religions were around a millennium ago. They change some, but there's no reason to think Judaism wouldn't exist a 1000 years from now, it's already been around for several millennia.

>>96986828
>hearsay and modern woke retcon shit
So bullshit.

>>96986834
I mean I would generally assume Protestantism is dead in Battletech

>>96986009
>An Awesome will win about 2/3rds of the time against a similar BV of shreks
A 4/5 Awesome vs a 8/5 Schrek doesn't sound like a walk in the park to me. That robot's praying for TACs, I feel.

>>96986850
All modern religions are dead in Battletech.

>>96986865
I would imagine traditional Catholicism is booming given the monarchist roots of the setting

>>96986689
>you can hear the kvechting every time you headcap an atlas

>>96986828
The worlds were initially settled by ex-FWLM pirates from Andurien.

>>96986865
There's not one, but two Vaticans and Popes in Battletech.

>>96986875
>Traditional
>Catholicism
Pick one

>>96986889
That's not a modern religion then, is it?

>>96986895
The Roman Catholic Church is pretty modern, I feel. New Avalon Catholic Church not so much.

>>96986890
Well traditional relative to republicanism.

Imagine the clans never invaded. How long before the 5th succession war kicks off?

>>96986834
>Most major world religions were around a millennium ago.
No, the precursors to the three abrahamics were vastly different a thousand years ago.
Hinduism as it currently exists is a byproduct of the british raj, the only current religion that was around recognizably a thousand years ago is Buddhism.

>>96986966
>the only current religion that was around recognizably a thousand years ago is Buddhism
This is entirely nonsense. Christianity/Catholicism was not "unrecognizable" 1000 years ago. Rabbinical Judaism has changed relatively little since 600. Is /his/ leaking or something?

>>96987011
Buddy you have no idea what you're talking about, the sects that existed a millenia ago don't exist today, the sects of today didn't exist a millenia ago.
One example is the Arian christian sect, their bible reads like a norse saga instead of middle eastern propaganda (which is how a middle eastern religion invaded europe in the first place, boiled frog style)

>>96986895
Are you stupid or something?

>>96987049
Cherrypicking sects that died out doesn't mean anything. Some of the sects didn't survive, but arianism isn't the precursor to modern christianity. Arianism is a doubly bad example, as it was more a theological issue than anything practical.
>their bible reads like a norse saga
Again, gothic/germanic christianity is not the precursor to anything modern, it would fold into the mainstream over time as the church continued to centralize.
>middle eastern propaganda
I see I was on the mark with the /his/ comment. No real point in continuing this discussion.

>>96987011
>Christianity/Catholicism was not "unrecognizable" 1000 years ago.
The legal and social situation of Catholicism was pretty radically different back then. 1025 would've been well before the Crusades and only shortly after everybody was hella into doomsday predictions.

>>96987155
You don't even need to go that far. Modern christianity is extremely positive about homosexuality and womens rights and such, whereas christianity of 1025 was... not.

This conversation is stupid because we don't have enough detail to even know if there are any differences. The writers slapping the catholic label on a map of religions doesn't tell us about the thousand years of papal bulls in between or what has or has not drifted over time. There's an entire branch of Judaism that fucking converted to Christianity wholesale as a result of Israel. What's their day to day devotions look like? Where do they go on Christmas? What's their opinion on the timing for eucharist? How do they feel about Pope Cappin IV declaring in 2756 that only animals which originate on Terra go to heaven and your space dog is condemned to purgatory forever? We don't know, because all we have are labels.

>>96987224
>Modern christianity is extremely positive about homosexuality and womens rights
[X] this guy uses an odd definition of a common term

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This discussion suck post your favorite mech that has not gotten a new mini and your favorite variant of it.

I love the Hauptman B its an absolute unit

The Marians are so cool bros.

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>>96983498
Yep, Battletech art was based on a mix of 'Macross' and 'Dougram: Fangs of the Sun' cartoons. The Dougram setting was a hot desert with most of the characters running around in skimpy rags and shorts, so the style was adopted as standard for the mechwarriors (along with most of the original mech designs) when Battledroids/Battletech was created.

>>96987427
Sitting in a red hot metal cockpit with exposed skin allways seemed silly

>>96987337
every time there is a religious divide like that, all involved parties give their "right" interpretation a new name, like how Protestantism is not Catholicism.
You're working too hard to justify it when it is that CGL did it just to insert modern day IRL politics into the game.

>>96983555
There's a big difference between "ambient hot" and being in proximity to something hot enough that any potential contact necessitates protective clothing.
The control console or pilot's seat aren't going to burn you, but the cockpit's ambient temp is going to be stifling and uncomfortable. Wearing as little as possible makes sense, IMO.

>>96986215
>what flaws do they have?
Run by women
Run by minorities
Run by trannies
No aerospace production
No Mech production for anything bigger than a Shadow Hawk
No social safety net
Many poor people
Freedom to be as sexually degenerate as you want
No mandatory religion except worshipping femnoids

Don't ever say that the MOC doesn't have flaws. Practically everything notable about the faction is a flaw.

>>96987427
>The Dougram setting was a hot desert with most of the characters running around in skimpy rags and shorts
That's a lot of words to justify coomer thinking. There's no valid reason to have a military unit in skimpy clothes. Just say you're a degenerate and be done with it.

>>96987674
>that CGL did it just to insert modern day IRL politics into the game.
>This post assumes facts not in evidence

>>96986493
The Fedsuns are also pretty sexist as well

>>96987674
Who said anything about divides? Did the Catholic church divide when the pope said cremated people can go to heaven? Does it divide every time they declare a new saint? There are right now in real life heresies that still call themselves Catholic despite going directly against papal directives and/or scripture.

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>>96986720
Now we play a game: do you think those are names of made up religions, or have you not actually read the original books?

>>96987920
FASA books aren't canon. This is CGLs game, and FASA gave it up.

>>96987469
>Sitting in a red hot metal cockpit with exposed skin allways seemed silly

You are too kind. Impractical and retarded is more accurate.

>>96987937
>Impractical and retarded
Blends in with the existence of giant fighting robots, then

>>96986695
Comstar also has its own relgion

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>>96987887
Girls can be princes in the Fedsuns.

>>96988088
They still have a bias foe male leaders

>>96988088
Davions are a bunch of fops. Prove me wrong.

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>>96988331
Is there a single non-Fronc faction isn't?

>>96988458
I really wish you'd stop being obnoxious about a faction I like and have painted units of.

>>96988488
What do you expect from the setting's only functional republic?

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Obviously Battletech is a mech-based game so they'd never do this but I always thought the Humankind Empire of Abh from Crest of the Stars would fit pretty well in the setting.

>>96987674
I give alot of shit when it comes to CGL.

But modern day religion has been part of Battletech since the days of FASA. You're either shit slinging or a complete secondary.

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Does anyone know where I can find some good fluff art for the Marik Wolverine (WVR-6M)?

This one from MechWarrior RPG 1st ed p.41 is cool but
1. it isn't lineart so it's a bit busy for a black and white record sheet
2. i can't see the large laser and medium laser together on the right arm, and i dont know what the thing below its left hand is supposed to be

>>96986509
I know im real late to the conversation but is there any faction that actually has a underclass/lower class that isnt tret shit?

I have created the perfect Banshee. Tremble and despair.
>take Banshee-3E
>take design team out back and put a bullet through their heads and their entire families to keep their retard genes from polluting humanity
>strip the weapons out
>left/right arm gets a large laser
>ct/lt/rt get 2 medium lasers each
>result
>a fucking Dawn of the Dead 2004 zombie mech that can fire either 2 large lasers while running and remain +2 or fire the 6 ml's and go into +4

>>96988838
Fronc Reaches

>>96988838
Taurian Concordat, Franc Reaches, Rimworld's Alliance (they're all underclass).

>>96988849
Trvth Nvke

>>96988841
>just add mediums lasers to everything

what is this, Mechwarrior 5:Mercs

>>96988898
>MW5
>thinks mechs are customizable outside YAML
Lol, lamo.

>>96988916
>thinks anyone would even touch those games without mods
Lol, lamo.

>>96988935
>mods
YAML is really overrated as a mod, and actively fucks game balance. Also MW5 heat is far less crippling than tabletop, so beyond shutdown you can get away with mechs that would be +12 at all times though your DPS will drop.

>>96986689
Christianity (specifically Lutheranism) is the dominant religion in the LyrCom. Judaism is number 2.

>>96985202
It was basically done on purpose to prevent you from getting "OP" loot, because you can do that mission pretty early by letting the two sides kill each other.

>>96988970
>balance
its a singleplayer/coop game that is not very balanced in the first place.

>>96989009
>Judaism is number 2.
Their flag is white and blue and features a communist fist.

>>96985202
>doesn't know what level caps are
It's to keep retard gremlins like you from grabbing end game loot near the beginning of the game.

>>96989033
The balance is that the enemy doesn't get to optimize the shit out of their machines, mechs like the Assassin, Cicada, Vulcan, Shadowhawk can be made really good with YAML while the enemy is stuck with stock configurations.

>>96988898
>medium lasers
Are the most optimized weapons in the game at intotech. Their damage to heat/tonnage is overpowered and they don't require ammo. If the heat was increased to 5 however....

>>96989075
You can still make workable builds with the Assassin, Vulcan and Shad in vanilla. Only the Cicada really gets shafted.

>>96986222
Given that a lot of the named Canopian characters seem to be at least partly of Latin American and/or Afro-Caribbean descent, I think it's more like Batista-era Space Cuba. They should have called it Tesseracta.

>>96989141
The Cicada 3C with a Large Laser and more armor is a good sidegrade.

>>96987427
The Locust and a bunch of the vehicles came from a third anime called Crusher Joe, fwiw. I think Dirty Pair was originally supposed to be a spinoff of it.

Other than the inner sphere houses, what is the biggest criminal syndicate/pirate faction in the setting?

>>96989627
Tortuga Dominions. They're the one group besides WOB that could be nuked into oblivion and nobody would protest.

>>96989627
Probably the Malthus Syndicate, but it really depends on your criteria for "big". And "pirate/criminal", for that matter. A lot of the periphery states are glorified pirate kingdoms. The Yakuza may or may not count as one or many organizations and may or may not include LAW and therefore many parts of the Draconis Combine government. Sometimes multiple pirate bands join together to confront uppity governments.

>>96989627
Marians. Literal pirates pretending to be a state.

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>>96988797
It's a magazine for the gun, because at this point in time they were just aping art from JP model kit boxes and promotional material. There was barely any attempt to portray record sheet accurate loadouts. BT has never been a WYSIWYG game anyway.
Have some Kunio Okawara concept art.
>>96988551
That's just the Clans refluffed as space elves with more warships and a different FTL device. The two settings share a lot of similarities.

>>96989693
Not just that. State special variants aren't even the plurality of the machines in that state. They're just notable exceptions. Like, a Warhammer 6D is way rarer than a Warhammer 6R in Davion space.

>>96989676
taxation is theft. At least they know who they are.

>>96989649
Why does everyone hate WoB? Just more
>It's not the successor states therefore they're awful and ruin the game
?

>>96989974
The genocidal campaign against all outsiders and even some insiders is a big factor. Sending cyborg monsters to go systematically kill civilians with swords and cybernetic claws and then gas the rest is frowned upon in polite society.

>>96989985
WoB genocide is somehow worse than everyone else's attempts at genocide?

>>96989988
Everyone else's attempts at genocide were approximately 200 years in the past.

>>96990000
I mean fan hate. Not in universe hate.

>>96990040
pretending not to understand the difference between backstory and main plot, is it?

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>>96990040
>I mean fan hate.
Wobbies are super-popular fan-wise.

>>96990057
No? I want to know what it is about Blakists that made fans hate the Jihad. Clans are obvious because they get plot armor'd into winning as well as tabletop rules favoring them so the worst type of people want to field uber optimized lists all the time.

Meanwhile blakists don't really add anything crazy gameplay-wise. And they got their asses beat by everyone.

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>>96990092
>that made fans hate the Jihad
Fans hated the Dark Age and the Post-Jihad. The Jihad itself was a fucking insane fun ride, and only shitty factchecking and retard main arcs ruined any of that. People hate Stone. They don't hate the Blakists. Your presumption is wrong.

>>96990092
People don't hate the Jihad for gameplay, other than some of the mutant grogs that will go to 3067 and not one step farther. They hate that [equipment that did not exist in 3067] is in the era. Regular grogs don't even get that far since their cutoff is 3025.

>>96990092
>they got their asses beat by everyone

There are hundreds of thousands of words of story of them easily bullying every nation state in the setting at once.

What kind of a grog am I if I like TRO 2750 SL tech + ~3049 new toys but don't like 3050 and beyond Clantechs and shits?

>>96990156
If you cotton to tech rollbacks and 3025r retcons like Caps having lots of Highlanders, then you are no grog but a subhuman animal that should be exterminated.

>>96990167
I painted all my Highlanders in Capellan colors, but special units like Death Commandos and Warrior Houses, does that count? Come to think of it, the only Assault I gave the regulars was a Cyclops for the company commander because it came with the old Alpha Strike Command Lance set.

>>96990167
Of 6 Highlanders the CapCon have in total mydudes got 4.

>>96990225
What part of TRO:Comstar's Special Toys do you not understand? That stuff was basically extinct everywhere else barring the rando who dug one up from a cache here and there.

>>96990258
Stuff that was in general army use for the entire history of the star league being totally extinct is silly

>>96990274
Stuff that sees frontline combat does go extinct quick when out of production. Fuck, the Marauder is noted as being focused down in battle as a primary command target and remains rare and would be extinct if it didn't still have a bunch of factories.

>>96989974
Tbh it's hard not to feel like the Word of Blake did nothing wrong cause like...who were they killing that was actually bad to kill? Oh nooooo not the dicksucking monarchist worshippers, whatever will world do without them? Plus the WoB actually seemed pretty advanced tech-wise in an otherwise pretty stagnant setting.

>>96990315
Assuming for the sake of conversation that is your honest opinion, you have terminal contrarian brain. It remains bad to do terror attacks with weapons of mass destruction, even if the cities you are targeting do not belong to liberal democracies.

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>>96990346
Not him, but considering most of the Blakists were coreworlders fucked by the Successor States or Periphery nobodies besot by much worse atrocities, they had plenty of reason to be all "You did it to us first.". The thing that every modern non-religious faggot forgets about forgiveness is that forgiveness is not some automatic thing that comes with time. It requires acknowledgement and penitence. If someone goes "Well, that was a hundred years ago. Get over it." is not valid or rational. You can certainly enforce your power that way, but it has nothing to do with forgiveness.

Also, honestly, Monarchies are actually good if you have a good king. You can get shit done in a hurry. It's just eventually when you get a bad one that things can go to hell in a handbasket just as quick. It being considered "bad" is retarded, though. Eternal democratic gridlock has its own failings.

>>96990375
I wouldn't even mind the monarchies if people tried like...fucking anything else. Starship troopers style republics, military juntas and stratocracies, nationalist corporatocracies, etc. It annoys me to no end that even the near-universal authoritarianism of the setting can't be bothered to vary it up a little.

>>96990393
It does plenty at the local level. It's the time and distance that causes the feudalism at the higher levels.

>>96990397
Right but like...it doesn't have to. There are a lot of systems that take into account distance even IRL without going full feudal. Federalism, the electoral college, governorships, corporatism (both fascist and otherwise), subsidiaries, national companies, franchising, etc.

The British Empire was able to maintain one of the largest globe-spanning empires in the world in the age of sail before electricity was invented and this was well after feudalism had died.

>>96990397
That's not a valid excuse. Humans being humans would have fixed those problems centuries ago.

>>96990375
Nationalist blather. Weaving together stuff that happened ten years ago and much worse things that happened long outside of living memory, then using it as justification for random lashing out at third parties instead of a focused retaliation on the specific people with names and addresses responsible.

>debating the morality of theocratic space terrorists
>instead of if they're cool or not
It's a game, nerds. I'm fine with space jihadis.

Were there ever any actual rules associated with the cyborg assassins? I only ask now that we have an allegory in abominations, it seems like introducing a whole era and never publishing some kind of rules is an oversight.

>>96990464
>I have never read JHS:3072
You should actually read the Jihad books.

There's no reason MG ammo should be 200s/ton. Even with rapidfire rules, you'd never burn through all that before dying or in 1 game unless you had 8+ machineguns firing every turn. It's just a landmine to punish you for bringing less than an MGA-6 at least.

>>96990546
Well capping the explosion damage makes them less of a problem while not punishing designs feeding a pile of them with 1 ton.

Also prevents the fridge logic problem of "how do you run out of .50 cal in a vehicle the size of a fucking building".

>>96990483
No he shouldn't.

>>96990546
>>96990552
Most weapons have about 100-120 damage per ton of ammo. The MG being flattened to fit would still give it 50 or 60 shots per ton.

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>>96990092
People disliked the Jihad (that is, the people who disliked the Jihad, plenty loved it) did so because it threw out all the rules.

Suddenly, everyone's throwing nukes around; suddenly there's cyberpunk augmented soldiers; suddenly, there's relativistic weapons. The only thing lacking from the list of things that don't exist in BattleTech is true AI and aliens.

People were also annoyed by the giant fucking ass-pull of the Blakists building this enormous army in secret in 15 years. It was worse than the Dracs in '39 and Xin Sheng put together.

Some factions acted completely against character and often pants-on-head retarded, for example the Snow Ravens glassing a planet in a tantrum, which goes against two and a half centuries of Clan tradition. Also the Steel Vipers pulling the deadliest battleship in the history of humanity out of fucking nowhere.

That Herb took the opportunity to destroy WarShips and LAMs because he didn't like them pissed some people off too.

And then they didn't even try to justify Devlin Stone. There was a way that he could have escaped from the POW camp, and started an insurgency that snowballed until it was a full faction, especially if he was picking up inner system militia members realizing how insane the Word was. Instead he has a magic charisma field that makes anyone who meets him decided to follow his every suggestion.

CONT

>>96990092
>>96990618

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Some people also didn't like how the devs destroyed the idea that the sourcebooks were at all reliable. Like, sourcebooks were always presented as being in-universe documents that might have some mistakes due to bias and limited knowledge, but the Jihad just went full "HAHAHA EVERYTHING's PROBABLY A LIE", either because Herb and Randall liked that, or just because it allowed them to be even lazier with fact-checking since it didn't matter how many times they directly contradicted themselves.

I understand that the writers had to get to a specific place (Republic established, everyone agrees to treaties limiting military size, Clan Homeworlds gone), but they went about it in a horrible and in many ways lazy fashion.

>>96982208
Naw, it's a rookie pilot and he just found the firing button. "Whoah, dudes, this retarded looking tube on my mech's arm is a gun!"

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What mech does he pilot and what faction (if any)

>>96988797
That's the original design carrying an AC/5, with the left arm supposedly carrying another magazine for it (dispite the ammo being located in the torso, not gun). FASA tried to match the sheet stats with the designs they took from other franchises, but ignored a lot of details to avoid making the game to complicated (at first).
You could argue it's random loot though, as mechs with hands were used in raids during the 'Mad Max' 3rd succession war era
Also note that the Wolverine has a single medium laser in the stats, but the pic shows two gun barrels under the cockpit.....

You should be more worried about the Thunderbolt's 'floating' LRM15. Due to a typo, FASA wrote on the record sheet the LRM was in in the right torso, while the pics clearly show it mounted on the left above the triple lasers. It's a typo that has caused arguments amongst players and publishers for four decades.

>>96990618
"Relativistic weapons" is a stretch, they made an ultra heavy naval gauss rifle and heavily modified asteroids to use as ammo for it. It's highly destructive, but you can get similar destruction from nukes. The only apparent advantage it has is being able to fire it from basically anywhere in or near a solar system and still land the shot on a targeted city. They had to sit there and fire multiple shots to level a whole city, and the one world they killed with it was killed by shooting fuckloads of shots at it to take out every human made structure on the surface.

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Comstar rep approaches with a message, what does it say?

>>96990772
>we've been trying to reach you about your mechs extended warranty

The Fedsuns or FWL should have started making knock-off Vindicator parts to lure mercs away from the cappies. Can't keep them locked down with exclusivity if your enemies don't care about IP rights.

>>96990850
The FedSuns has never had any problem stealing Capellan designs.

>>96990886
They even stole the Urbanmech and made Suburbanmechs

>>96990040
>>96990092
People don't hate the WoB. Well maybe on Reddit. I'd argue here it's one of the most popular factions overall.
The problem with the Jihad is that it was a haphazard setup for the Dark Ages: everything needed to be bulldozed for the Republic to live. Comstar needed to die, the vast majority of the mechs needed to go, etc etc and they got it with Blakists summoning cyber ninjas out of thin air. It is funny to see decades of boring plot-armoured characters kicked in the teeth by Blakists (the Goons getting humiliated will never get old)? Yes, in a weird way. The WoB went out in a blaze of glory at least, not like the Republic.

>>96990622
I considered the Jihad sourcebooks being a collection of various in-universe articles, newscasts, propaganda, etc. one of the best things about the era. All BT sourcebooks have been presented as in-universe publications, but the Jihad really leaned on it by presenting multiple, often contradictory sources describing things as they were happening, while most other sourcebooks have more of a "history textbook written several decades or more after the events" feel. It's like the different between reading a textbook about ancient Rome and reading surviving letters written by the Romans themselves.
And if the lack of objectivity bothers you, the later book did include a section where the in,universe writer went through what was known to have happened previously (in the earlier books) and clearing up some of the confusion.

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>>96990772
>"Wayne's forces strike within the hour. Good luck."
Been imagining an endgame scenario where /yourdudes/ are on Outreach for Waco's assault. Do you join in the carnage or try warning the dragoons? Maybe try holding back the tide to defend the civies? What are the odds you and yours can rally and retreat to your dropship, if you even have one?

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>>96991355
If I had only one chance to nuke the goons at the cost of life and limb, I'd take it. My only regret is that we didn't see Jaime getting skewered by a dying, vengeful old man he had treated as a joke for far too long.
The only good Goon is the dead Goon.

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>>96982160
The retribution reaped upon Clan Smoke Jaguar was disporpotional.

Inner sphere tech base, latest era, what is your preferred variety of
AC/2:
AC/5:
AC/10:
AC/20:

>>96988099
>They still have a bias foe male leaders
That's just sensible. Effective female leader are vastly more uncommon.

>>96991529
everything up to 20 is LBX and then an even split of LBX and Ultra for 20s

>>96991529
LAC/2
RAC/5
AC/10
LB-20X

>>96991551
You play a lot of clans?

>>96986215
magic mech battalions out of thin air, even more than xin sheng

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>leaked playtest rules gave the hatchet a -1 to hit and the sword a -2 among other melee weapon buffs
>these two buffs were omitted from the official version
Remember the dream meleebros. At least the mace is becomig more viable, pity so few mechs come with it.

>>96991728
Fuck I meant -2 and -3.

>>96991728
>>96991746
Punches not getting the -1 also hurt.

>>96991691
This man speaks the truth.

>>96991728
Outside of some S7 stuff what has a mace, maybe some DA things?

I'm always willing to play with custom builds with friends, Mace sure seems like a Steiner thing... oh Thunderbolt with a Mace, Dragon bonker.
std engine, masc/sc? ppc I'm working on something in my brain.

>>96991728
They were going to but fisting was 300 C-Bills...

>>96990677
I mean his ex Girlfriend, Iron Liz, is how I found out about Canopus...

>>96991529
RAC/2
RAC/5
LB/10X
LB20X

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>>96990772

>>96991396
Kinda this. I feel like half of the time classic BT protags aside from perhaps Grey will act like self righterous pieces of shit so far up the ass they will the most horrible shit and get away with it like it's monday to them but the moment the antagonist or someone returns the favor they will get morally outraged without the story having a hint of irony.

Really Jimmy, one of your guys stepped on an ejected pilot and Natasha acts like a psycho half of the time but you investiagted yourself and found yourself innocent? What a coincidence.

>>96991728
That wasn't in the leak.

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>>96992733
Sure about that?

>>96992706
There's nothing wrong with stepping on ejected pilots in the first place. It's war. Cope.

>>96992847
Nothing about hatchets or swords there silly, never was.

>>96991396
>>96992706
>>96992865
Maybe the esteemed colonel of a large mercenary unit should give his kid something better than a locust

>>96992706
I hated the Dragoon Rating. I mean they are so special they get to rate other dudes?

>>96992991
Why does a tire company get to rate restaurants?

>>96992865
>nothing wrong with killing an ejected pilot
And this is why even your plot armor didn't protect you furries.

>>96992995
If I recall correctly it's because they used to make travel guides that would rate pitstops and they were very well received. But then they weren't a restaurant themselves, saying that all other restaurants should come to their planet to be rated by them, kick up to them, be rated by them despite the conflict of interest and be spied upon using their restaurant-net.

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>>96982940
>giant
It's the same overall size as the canon 3025 capcon, just distorted like all the borders are on Gothic's map. You're probably thinking of the 3030 (post 4th succession war) capcon if you think the gothic caps are giant.

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Favorite melee mech? Personally I like how sleek the new Nightsky looks compared to the derpy Hatchetman and Axeman, and I like jumpers. I'd probably swap out that LPL for some autocannon or LRM for variety, or just drop it to free up weight for a standard engine.

>>96993125
I agree on the nightsky but like it how it is, don't feel the need to change it.

>>96993125
I like the Buccaneer, although its melee weapon is secondary to its short ranged gun battery.

>>96993125
I'm dumb and I don't like the mechs with TSM yet oversinked

For the people that know the lore, why do Clanners see melee as dishonorable? They engage in hand-to-hand combat outside of mechs don't they? Why is it suddenly bad when you're in a mech?

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>>96993125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLMnP7bpnk

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>>96993315
Memes aside my honest to god favorite Melee mech is the Kontio.

Because it not only is scary as shit its extremely effective at what it can do.

>>96993371
Blake mechs were really pushing the needle i hope they keep doing more goofy designs like that

>>96993433
That is a Rasalhague Dominion mech.

>>96993302
>why do Clanners see melee as dishonorable?
Their training's based on an SL elite marksmanship program.

>>96990618
Tbf Battletech does have true AI, it just always decides to rebel against humanity so they typically don’t use it.

>>96993453
I could have sworn Blakes had this goofy ass wolverine claw mech I have to find it

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>>96993371
ye it was called a malak, now i want to make a lance of celestial blake mech fuck they look so fucking stupid

>>96993458
But SL never had this concept of never engaging in melee, right? So it's just them being retarded and basing their culture on a misinterpretation passed down for generations?

>>96993533
No. He's forgetting that it comes from that one Kerensky brother getting killed by a physical attack.

>>96992991
Everything about the Dragoons is Mary Sue nonsense. Wolfnet is especially ridiculous with how a bunch of stupid Clanner with no experience created an Inner Sphere spy network that ran rings around actual intelligence agencies with centuries of experience.

>>96993533
It's a warrior culture so yeah it's retarded.
You're just supposed to have fun with it and yell declarations of battle and honor while you roll dice and make stupid decisions playing against your friends and then when questioned why you did something so unbelievably stupid just say
"ZELLBRIGEN DEMANDED IT!"

>>96993574
I like that the lore demands you play Clanners with their OP gear as total tactical retards to give Inner Sphere a chance

When tryhards play Clanners in a tryhard way, nobody has fun

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>>96993560
I love the Jihad fluff that Wolfnet were total tards to ever think they could take on Comstar much less the Wobbies and get fucking wrecked.

Bonus, it also lets us take all the Wolfnet TRO retcons like 3025R and trash them where they belong.

>>96990040
Fighting with a virtual six to one advantage and getting miffed when it's rightly called "Cheating."

>>96993490
The Broken decided to Slow Boat the fuck off and the Blake model apparently is pretty loyal to its master's purpose. The only known case of AI attacking people on the regular are malfunctioning drones.

>>96992991
>>96992995
They offered training and other perks on-site, I understand.

>>96993581
I used to play very tryhardy in my first couple games.
But then i realized yelling
"MY LIFE FOR HUNTRESS"
"FIGHT ME DEZGRA, DO NOT RUN!"
While hoping the dice rolls to my favor was like highstakes gambling thats all I do now, fast paced high damage retard tactics thats how i like it

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>>96993719
Ah yes, a man who has properly learned to JAG HARDER!

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>>96993506
Most Manei Domini mechs have retractable blades an' claws in art. It's for the edgy aesthetic.
>>96993560
>>96993586
The funniest thing is that apparently the Clans are completely devoid of training and skills for cover operation and SF shit (to the point that their Watch is a punishment for failures) BUT the Goons manage to outmatch out of the blue people with centuries of experience in real conflict (and not Clanner ritual warfare). Just because. At least they got chopped into pieces in the end, and it was narratively necessary because a bunch of hyper-equipped mercs with shit intelligence would have been eaten alive by the first Comstar, Capellan or FWL agent that looked at their way wrong.

>>96993727
Love muh Jags, wish they had more instances of them being genuinely evil and a threat.
Its mostly just "Jags bad!" and then they get shit on while running in circles at least give them some Ws
When i play Jags im lore accurate because i win shit sometimes

>>96993254
I wish this mech was better, it's so cool and great looking.

Call me nostalgic, but Axeman Frankly I like the 2n, makes such a good body guard.

What are some Battletech-related names for a gray female cat? Just as a thought experiment

>>96993125
>drop the large pulse for an autocannon
>7 tons
Any AC you put there at that tonnage is arguably worse

>>96994118
oh thats easy battlemaster

>>96994154
lmao

>>96992991
Dragoons offered an MRB with a physical means of enforcing rules and standards

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>lance changes
I just want a pile bunker so fucking bad.

Were there any female Coordinators before? Or the current one the first in history?

>>96994972
iirc, there was one who did the classic "regent -> dowager empress" shtick and basically kept all the power even when her son was the coordinator on paper.

>>96994992
Siriwan McAllister, whose father coup'd the Von Rohrs. Then he died but she couldn't be coordinator because women are icky, so she only got to be temporary coordinator until she married a distant cousin whose last name is Kurita. After they had a kid he died from bad shellfish, so she got to be regent. Decades later she let her middle aged son be coordinator for a few decades, he died, and his son died shortly afterwards of bad shellfish, and *his* son was also sick and died so grandma came back for a third term as coordinator for a couple more years before handing it off to a granddaughter who we can only assume avoided seafood entirely for the next thirty years since granny McAllister refused to die or stop being an advisor until she finally croaked at the ripe old age of 136.
The granddaughter incidentally is the one who moved the capital to Luthien.

>>96995120
Which is also another examples of "you have to have the right name to be the boss". The House Kurita ruling now are basically just House McAllister in disguise. The Kurita she married was a great-great-grandson of the last Kurita coordinator that the Von Rohrs booted from the throne. He had no power and barely any claim to the throne, but he had a penis and a recognizable name to pass down, so he gets in with the McAllister line.

How Marik is the current Marik again? Heard it's only 'technically' Marik or something

>>96995196
The Marik during the clan invasion is not the real Marik but a body double.
The real Marik is the Jihad leader i think it has something to do with that

>>96995196
She's descended from the False Thomas and was born Nikol Halas-Hughes. She uses the name Marik because her mom married a cadet branch Bernstein-(Hampton)-Marik in order to secure the throne. She's a semi-step-Marik. Wasn't even raised by the guy, she was in her thirties when her mom divorced her dad to get the Marik name.

>>96994559
Isn't that the new retractable blade?