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>competitive plastic army menlmao jesus christ
Post models and wipsHave you got anything planned for the december collage yet?
>>97103816American Excellence strikes again
Half the Primaris units in the game suddenly become Legends come 11th Edition, and suddenly people need to rebuy their Intercessors. Except they're called Interposers or something. How do you react?
>>97103820No. I’m too busy watching indians get ran over by trains
>>97103820I wanted to paint the celestine statue from KT but I might not have time to participate this month. Family plans and shit.
>>97103825I buy the interposers and show off my practiced painting skills
>>97103820Gonna skip this one because I have a custodes army to finish.My other collage entries always coincided with my army planning.But I am eager to see 40kg terrains and its wip because thats something I dont really do.
>>97103825>become LegendsPic related. I don't play in tournaments because I enjoy the company of women
>play against someone at my lgs>most shit its just primed with wraithbone, the odd mini here and there is half painted>see the same anon playing a game months later>same shit primed & half painted
>>97103825marinepiggies will fork out what they have to because they all have a findom fetish
>>97103825tactical and devastators still haven't gone to legends so don't stress your little head about it
>>97103825If they look cool I will buy some.
>>97103816its really pathetic when you think about it.Doesnt help that the "athletes" look as bad as how you think they'd look.Also 40k focusing more and more into this ruins the allure of the setting. Its no longer Archmagos Dominatus and his Mechanicus thralls facing off Groksmasha's Looting mobz, but Steve Neckbeard from team Dignitas and his AdMech vs John Doublechin from TSM's orks.And in true GW fashion, this pivot to comppetitive "e"sports is hilariously outdated.
>>97103893Yea the WAAC tourney shit is retarded
>>9710382511th?We are playing 4th anon.
>>97103870>findom fetishI didn't know shark girls had their own fetish tag
>>97103901It would be fun if the battles are narrative focused, or at least the tables be beautifully decorated.But this is the shit we have. Bland, boring, "streamlined" competitive shit.
>>97103825The only Primaris shit getting Legends'd next edition is the shit they're pushing old stock out of warehouses in the new Combat Patrols like the ATV or the Turrets.
>>97103489>>97103507What are you talking about? You can run a pretty elite Votann army. They are very versatile. The most popular way is to run like 20 of their terminators with heroes and vehicles but also variety like pic related.They aren't a horde army.
>>97103816>join lgs escalation league>consists of a small amount of new players, many players returning to the hobby for the first time in x amount of years, and a bunch of tourney dudes>tourney dudes legit help out the newer players, until they find out theres a prize for winning>not a single tourney fag is playing a new army, its the same one they have played across several editions
>>97103919yeah it looks fucking horrible. most modern 40k "tables" look like garbage. just take a dinner table and add a few retarded L shaped buildings
Oh good the t-sports spammer is back
>>97103927What an obnoxiously named list of units. GW really needs to stop this shit.
>>97103893>Its no longer Archmagos Dominatus and his Mechanicus thralls facing off Groksmasha's Looting mobzThis is what killed my joy for playing with random guys.Even the guy doing the feudal guard was doing waac things. Cool looking army but no sovl. He made zero story for his dudes, my meme Kelermorph with a hat has more story than most armies in my local store.
>Veteran Intercessors were simply a stop gap before they refreshed SternguardSort of like the Primaris Rhino, I guess that's one personal mystery solved for me. They should still bring back the Primaris Rhino though.
>>97103936That's the case with most armies. Even marines.
How dumb of an idea is it to run a semi-elite guard army using the datahseets that have 4+ armor saves (kasrkin, engineers, krieg weapons squads, etc)I know scion armies are a thing, but ironically I dont partially care about the basic tempestus scions.
>>97103975You'd be better served running marines
>>97103820failed to complete my november collage project on time, so i might skip this one until i can actually finish the other. what's this month's unit?
>>97103975will you be using tanks and sentinels?
lmao, full circle
>>97103975Now you'll miss doctrines
Are there any 3d print sellers in the US? All these fuckers are the medieval side of the world and require international shipping and customs fees.
>>97103997>This means that for the december collage you can either do Terrain and/or something christmas/snow themed. >>97095112
>>97104015Buy an ad faggot
>>97104026Im thinking about making a 40k YT chanchan and advertising /40kg/ on there
>>97104041Do it. You could make our lolcow imfamous.
>>97104015wait are we finally getting a primaris refresh?
>>97104041Please make a /40kg/ YouTube channel
nidpill me on whether or not collecting genestealer culties is worth
>>97103821He's a Jew.
>>97103820Going to paint these guys one by one. Im not sure what colour i should paint the tentacles, was thinking of just going with the same purple / pink mix as i did with genestealer tongues but its not very striking
>>97104101Horde army with expensive boxes, extremely detailed minis and higher than average skill floor for playing them.Attempt at your own risk.
>>97104015does this mean that we are getting secundis marines?
>>97104101What do you mean by "is collecting worth it?"What are your interests, what do you like and/or want to do?No version of the Warhammer 40K game for the last 10 years has been worth playing. If you are looking to "play" GSC in 40K it will not be worth it.They have a great model line. If you are looking to convert and paint it will be worth it.They have some presence in the non-40K games that are worth playing. They are passable in Necromunda, but have old rickety rules that haven't been updated for the most contemporary version of the ruleset. They have one or maybe two teams in Kill Team (but are probably within a couple of years of their phase-out date?)
>>97104131I'm a 4th/5th editionlet being scammed into grabbing some minis by a friend who's grabbed a few kill team boxes, looking for a half interesting army to paint and plaster up with gubbins. It's that or mechanicus in terms of bein scammed by GW into buying some boxes of plastic crack.
>>97104101The nid part of genestealer cults is honestly the most boring part of the faction.Most of the fun and joy will come from finding cool ways to proxy the hybrid/nid models as abhumans or mutants instead. It will then be sorely tested on the table when you proceed to lose your first five games figuring out movement and placement.With all this in mind, GSC should never be your first army.
>>97103999Yeah the idea is still combined arms, just replying more on kasrkin and engineers for my footsloggers than basic guardsmen>>97104019I sure do. The new combat engineers kinda scratch that itch of guard unit that's halfway between basic guardsmen and elite stormtroopers
>>97103816Be quiet nogames quinary scum
>>97103816At least at tournies, I’m guaranteed to play against painted armies.
>>97104263You could do the same outside tournaments via making friends
>>97104254>>97104263Trying too hard
>>97104254>quinarythats a new one. so hypothetically, if someone owns models but doesnt play games, thats still secondary-tier (or worse)?
>>97104275Secondary status has received a bump to its qualifications due to Warhammers rising popularity. You beed a minimum of 12 games a year to qualify and should be well on your way past the planning stages of your second army. I won’t get into the literature requirements as well as the Media/Cinematic consumption necessities.
>>97104318If you're consuming 40k books and media you're downgraded from primary status even if you have several fully painted armies
>>97104324Consuming certain pieces of literature are a necessity to weed out the nomodels nogames octonary that degrade our fine institutions.
>>97104318>minimum of 12 games a yearIn 10th? No thanks, fag.
>>97104332Oh it's you
>>97104318Your singular Void Dragon doesn't count as a second army.
>>97104338>>97104342Huh?
Giant gun bug
>>97104368Your art isnt getting any better decalmutant
>>97104362Helluva bug my fren, great paint job and I would be intimidated to play against him.
>>97104368>the star of david lol
>>97104362based behemoth bro
>>97104101In the same boat here kinda, I signed up for Combat Patrol and we're gonna start getting the Genestealer stuff in like 5-6 months yet I know nothing about the faction other than >Army is expensive to collect and the best thing to do was just buy the old Combat Patrol two or three times and work from there (I'm partways there at least)>Their whole gameplan is being sneaky on the board and being able to resurrect certain units>Rusted Cog is the best paint schemeHow are Atalan Jackals on the tabletop? If I ever did get into GSC I was thinking of building around the biker detachment with the idea that /mydudes/ were a biker gang that specialized in hit and run tactics
What's the coolest army?
>>97104438The one you yourself think is the coolest.
>>97104438Hard to argue against Crons, Blood Angels and Space Wolves. I basically live by the rule of cool.
>>97103807I like orks :D
>>97104438Tau. Im trans btw. Not sure if that matters
>>97104458We don’t require your self deprecation to properly analyze how gay Tau are.
>>97104447Don't roleplay as the mutant he's not even online in the server>>97104465Don't samefag your own bad bait
>>97104438Your army.
>>97104477You didn’t think I’d fall for this did you?
>>97104487>Fall for itThe truth? I'm in that dead server and he's not on, the faggot is always online when he's shitting up our thread
>>97104438/mydudes/I like xenos best myself. Necrons, Tau, and Tyranids are all pretty neat. Eldar and Orks, too.
>>97104492I just responded to you on the discord, now blow me or become friends.
>>97104449I LIKE ORKS TOO ECKS DEE
>>97104438Custodes. Not in gameplay, but in the lore.
>>97104506Fine, where should we meet?
I’m here for you brother Ricu, just let me know king.
Test, please ignore.
>>97104625
Hello i am new to 40k, i will visit a 40k shop this week for the first time, i heared there are free minis for noobs? I plan to visit on saturday for the free mini a month , will i get 2 in total?
>>97103912Hell yeah. Have you tried out Prohammer? I'm gonna have a game with a buddy soon and check it.
>>97104679Beat it freak show
>>97104692Whats the matter
>>97104679If you come in for a painting lesson they'll give you a free mini (either a marine or a fantasy dude). You get the "free mini of the month" only if you actually buy something iirc.
>>97104718Wow thats fucked
>>97104270
I think we will see new types of Ultramarines soon
>>97104679>First visit miniYou get an Infernus Marine or an AoS Liberator for free.>Mini of the MonthAlso free, while supplies last. They tend to go quick though.>Coin of the MonthNot free. Will be included 'for free' with your purchase after buying over an established threshold of money worth of minis or other products.
>>97103821Ah, so it's just bongoloids seething at Americans beating them at their own game, again.
>>97104747>spends 2 hours photoshopping his response
>>97104431you usually take one unit minimum to dash forwards turn one and stand in front of the enemy forcing them to spend their movement removing the roadblock, but also in their own detachment their mortals on the move are very good.
Were you ever like "ehh I have to paint this army I don't want to anymore" but then you start thinking about a scheme and suddenly you are like "oh shit oh shit oh shit" and your heart starts beating faster and you get excited because you know you have it now. You see the army in your head in that scheme and you love it.
>>97103825>Half the Primaris units in the game suddenly become Legends come 11th Edition, and suddenly people need to rebuy their Intercessors. Except they're called Interposers or something. How do you react?Unironically just replace the intercessors with primaris-scale Tactical Squads lmao.
>>97104748Why is that one raven guard guy in my otherwise wholesome ultramarine image?
>>97104679Charles Manson should have been released.
>>97104625>>97104692Fuck off larper
Autism question for my guard armyBecause i still like to make force orgs (in theme if nothing else), should i have my lascannon squad be a part of the engineer platoon or my artillery platoonRight now the idea for my engineer platoon is>commissar (leader element)>2-3 krieg engineer squads>flamethrower section (krieg heavy weapons squad) I like the idea of the platoon having its own integrated AT
>>97104880Erasmus exchange educational program. Ultramar is the new Deathwatch
Still stuck in Bali, now I have to trust someone to run my tsons in a doubles tourney...
>>97104962Go looking for native frogs in the meantime. All the species endemic to bali are green or brown and tiny so it'll take you a while to find one of eachhttps://baliwildlife.com/encyclopedia/encyclopedia-category/animals/amphibians/frogs/
This edition feels like eternity.
>>97104101>when the 1,000-year old super soldier gets BTFO'd by your buddy Graska in the mining company's 40k-ified Chevy Colorado I love the mining aesthetic, personally. Rules be damned, I just turned Ragnar Blackmane into a fucking speedbump for my Rockgrinder.
>>97104979It honestly does. 8th edition felt like no time at all, but they ruined it with so many bloatbooks
>>97104985>I love the mining aestheticSame but I prefer squat capitalists to your genestealer communists.
>>97104978I do love big green tree frogs since I have a lot around my home.I got lucky and saw these lil doods while in kintamani. Pretty neat colours to do up some scions in.
>>97104994I think because nothing is happening this edition. The narratives we had were too little too late and the last one is still in limbo when it already should've started. AoS has the same problem.
>>97104998Less Communist more Jihadist, honestly. It's all about being equal as we're embraced - the Star Angels will accept us all, so long as we're faithful.
>>97104999>>97104999>he acquired a thicc mini gts gf to carry him around like a princess What's his secret
>>97104999>>97104962i knew you were an ausfag, who else goes to bali
>>97104999I hope you saved them from that pool
>>97105007Okay, get eaten. Sign the contract first.
>>97105041Gave an active go, but they swam to the bottom, so I just found a bit of palm to make a little bridge for them to get out later.
>>97105030>who else goes to baliPretty much the whole world now, British expats have replaced fun bogans as the problem tourists now.Currently looking for a cheap would burn artist to make some chaos related items.
>>97104998Keep your rifle by your side, midjewt.
>>97103825How the turn tables
>>97105048You should ask Magus Kaslka to sign that. I'm but a humble adherent of the faith.
>>97103820Making a steel legion army from kriegers. Bought that new krieg artillery regiment box and I'm gonna get a leman russ, a couple sentinels, and a couple chimeras to round it out. I'm also kitbashing some storm troopers with my krieger assault grenadiers to arm them with hellguns so they'll be counts-as stormtroopers.
>>97103816Chess is plastic army
>>97103807>TQIf they play Custodes you know they're going to be an unsportsmanlike asshole.
>>97105125chess pieces are most commonly made from woodchess has a defined rule set that does not change due to the whims of people with pronouns in their bioyou cannot be a WAACfag in chess because by definition of a competitive game the objective is to winwarhammer is a loose rule system like your floppy anus, the objective is to have fun with your pals, you can ruin the enjoyment of others by using win at all cost methodshope that sorts things out for you a bit
have you guys seen that one art of the tau where they have their boobies out
>>97103919How would you even achieve tournament games being "narrative" focused?How would you "beatifully decorate" the tables when you might have to prepare terrain for tens of tables if it's a bigger tournament?What is even wrong with the table you posted? That it's symmetrical? How would it be fair otherwise?
>>97103825Laugh at all the fucking retards who bought primaris shit in the first place which feels completely out of place for Astartes.
>>97103825I genuinely hope they pull a stormcast situation for loyalist pigs.
>>97105171no but look at this tau mech i just finished
>>97105232>his battlesuits don't have their boobies outngmi
>>97105232is his arm part of the gun. I cant see where it starts and where it ends.
>the last good 40k releases were in June>and it was fucking rereleased space wolvesWhen are we getting something actually interesting again
>>97105199>How would you even achieve tournament games being "narrative" focused?Give small bonuses (rerolls, first turn, etc) to factions depending of which factions wins the most.For example if SM won 5 games, every imperials from that point have +1 for first turn rolls.If you're orks or other xenos you can even decide to give your bonuses to another faction or your own, to tilt some tables.>How would you "beatifully decorate" the tables when you might have to prepare terrain for tens of tables if it's a bigger tournament?Skill issue. If you dont have the material to host a tournament, especially if you're GW, then dont host a tourney.Otherwise ask for each player to provide a terrain or something. I've done a local small tourney with dozens of tables and each were extremely well decorated, with different themes and biomes.>What is even wrong with the table you posted? That it's symmetrical? How would it be fair otherwise?Implying a battlefield needs to be fair. Make it so you roll for table side. And maybe implement the idea above where if one factions wins x times, allied faction has +1 to that roll or something.If you want to fight in a football field, then go do a Bloodbowl tournament. Terrain choice is an important part of battle. Also roll for how the deployment zone is set up, that will make it more dynamic where the same table can be played differently.If all this takes too long for organisers to set up, then dont host a tourney.
Are Tau like the Indian faction? They have a caste system and they get constantly sexualized by their players reminiscent of the stereotypical Indian sex pest/molester.
>>97105248Last good thing was the Votann second wave release. Everyone agreed their robots were kino.
>>97105248>the edition started with marines>then the codex ended with marines>then the edition ended with marinesgrim. >>97105251you're onto something.
>>97103825I go back to having sex with hot women and making loads of money while not caring what a company in an Islamic state does with it's make believe doll game.
>>97105257Even they were July so it’s been almost 5 months
>>97105269you're not hype for cato or token xeno models?
>>97105272My pants remain unshitted
>>97105259
>>97105248Raveners were kino and rightfully sold like hotcakes
>>97105303I would count them but they’re technically ‘for kill team’
>>97105248>marine slop
>>97105283Alright you got me. I'm having sex with hot men, women, and semi sexy transvestites.
>>97103825Vindicated in my decision to give up on Marines. It's impossible to keep up to date with that army.
>>97105306I wouldn't really count them for KT since they got their own separate box & 40k dual build. Its not the same as those bundled box KTs that risk getting vanished into the darkness like Gellerpox
>>97105303Played against a friend with them the other day and they're cool as fuck, the tunneler units are by far the best part about Nids. One of these days I'll grab a Trygon just to paint it, probably my favourite Nid miniature ever.
>>97105250>Give small bonuses (rerolls, first turn, etc) to factions depending of which factions wins the most.Ah yes, you get fucked over because other people did well/bad, sounds great.You aren't talking about a tournament, you're talking about some narrative event. >For example if SM won 5 games, every imperials from that point have +1 for first turn rolls.Do you even play the game? This is actually a nerf, going second is a big advantage in most scenarios.>Implying a battlefield needs to be fair.It's not a battlefield, it's a game that's supposed to be fair. Real battlefield isn't turn-based. In real battlefield infantry can't run through walls etc. If you want to play narrative game where your orks assault IG outpost and get gunned down a'la omaha beach because you have no cover you're free to do so but it has nothing to do with fairness.>If you want to fight in a football fieldAre you implying the picture that was posted >>97103919 is like a football field? Do you even know the terrain rules?>Also roll for how the deployment zone is set up, that will make it more dynamic where the same table can be played differently.Nah, terrain needs to be defined because it's part of the balance. Too much terrain and melee armies can just walk up to you and slap you down. Not enough balance and shooting armies table you from across the table. You get le wacky layout with your terrible idea of random rolls and game is over turn 1 because you don't get enough cover and half of your army gets insta rekt. That's why the tournaments stopped doing player placed terrain, people won before game even started.>If you dont have the material to host a tournament, especially if you're GW, then dont host a tourney.>If all this takes too long for organisers to set up, then dont host a tourney.Yes, let's raise the minimum requirements so our niche hobby is even more niche and only the big corpo dicksuckers are allowed to organize events. Great idea.
How’s this for a 2000 point Drukhari army, Reaper’s WagerCharacters:-Archon x2-Drazhar-Haemonculus x2-Lelith HesparaxBattleline:-10 Kabalite Warriors x2-5 Wracks-10 WychesTransports:-Raider x2-Venom x2Other:-3 Grotesques-5 Hellions-10 Incubi-10 Scourges-2 TalosAllies:-1 Shadowseer-10 Troupe
>>97105348>3 Grotesques?
>>97105148Also it's always white first in chess
>>97105356They’re 3 or 6. I really want to move stuff around to fit 6, but that’s an extra 90 points
>>97105360I thought Grotesques were squatted.
>>97105148My floppy anus is also for the fun with my pals ;)
>>97105363NTA but they're legends they're perfectly playable
>>97105239Tags>size difference >hyper>reverse mating press
>>97105363I’m really not 100% positive either way. They’re still in the app and I’ve seen them still in discussion. I think they got nerfed a bit and maybe they’re trying to phase them out.
>>97105364got em
My main playing friend plays Tyranids and I play DG and I've developed this bad habit of positioning rather aggressively because Nids are a bit lacking in killing power (or so it feels to me) and then I play against other armies and I get fucking BTFO.
Are blood angels nice to imperial citizens like salamanders or just indiferent
>>97105402BA are one of the few chapters that actually care about the general mortal populace. Not to the dumb degree of sallies, but still.
>>97105413Who else cares?
>>97105448lamenters
>>97105448Lamenters, famously. Raven Guard have a strong liberator/tyrant slayer thing going due to their origins. SW were willing to literally go to war against inquisition over the treatment of Armageddon survivors.
>>97103919I can understand objective discs to an extent but I can't understand putting these ugly fucking logos on them.
>>97105458SW only cared because there were guard regiments who had fought alongside them being purged too
>>97105402They care but their policy is to keep their distance. They drop in, do their job and fuck off without interacting with the general population more than necessary.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>97104438Imperial Guard, big tanks, waves of men to hold the line and lots of artillery
>>97105248>space marines >space marines >space marines>space marines>knights>knights>space marines>space marines>space marines>votann (space marinelets)>space marinesGood lord
>>97104690Just grab the old 3rd codex and 4th rulebook. No need for reddit rules.
>>97105469still more than some chapters would care
>>97105348You've got two Haemonculi but only one unit of Wracks for them to lead. There's possibly a place for a solo haemon as a home objective sitter to passively generate pain tokens, but two of them doesn't give you two triggers of that ability. Besides, you have lots of Kabalites for stickying objectives already so you'd probably be better served with something to screen your backline like Mandrakes.
>>97105486Yeah but it's more about them being honourable not about caring
>>97105511Meant for >>97105506
>>97105448Crimson Fists
Base coating a ghostkeel red over grey seer has me reconsidering my life choices.
are prints becoming more accepted all around? i just remembered i bought an entire STL library for an army like 5 years ago, but i never made it because print armies were kinda taboo at the time. has that mellowed out?
>>97105581It depends on how it looks
>>97105581It’s become generally accepted at my club, only the most diehard GW simps care about you using them there. Most of us do it because £20 (after all the setup) for an army is hard to pass up
>>97105448ultramarines
>>97105344Uh oh! Tourneyfag melty!>Ah yes, you get fucked over because other people did well/bad, sounds great.Yeah, like a fucking battlefield, weird huh?>Do you even play the game? This is actually a nerf...Its called an example, it could be a free reroll, a free CP, who cares? Just a small advantage.>It's not a battlefield, it's a game that's supposed to be fair...And this is the crux of the problem with tourneyfags. You guys shit and piss on what's fair while forgetting what's fun. This is a wargame, yet you guys want to make it look like a sport match.>Are you implying the picture that was posted is like a football field? It kinda looks like a flat, barren, perfectly symmetrical bloodbowl pitch really. Some even have built in lines.>Nah, terrain needs to be defined because it's part of the balanceOnce again, balance and fairness over fun. Truly a tourneyfag staple>That's why the tournaments stopped doing player placed terrain, people won before game even started.That's more of a rules issue and tourneyfag not wanting to take chances. "Its over, I only have a 1/3rd chance to succeed a charge, mught as well give up">Yes, let's raise the minimum requirements so our niche hobby ...The tiny local regional tourney I've participated managed it. I know a gaming club with enough terrain to really fill 4 tables. You pool the ressources of two ot three gaming clubs and you have 10 tables worth of terrain.I know a friend who can easily fill a table with terrain. Fuck, this month's collage is terrains, you can even see how they look like.You're implying this game needs... effort to do? Like yeah no shit, have good terrains, paint your minis, take a shower. You're hosting a tournament, fuck not even a small local one, you're hosting GW sponsored Warhammer WORLDS. Cant you at least put an effort on the table presentation?Ffs, you sound like the archetypical waac tourneyfaggot. Dont fucking tell me you run a greytide or just spray paint your minis.
>>97105508Can haemonculi not lead grotesques? I’ve read they could, unless that’s changed too.I was thinking of putting in some mandrakes though.
>>97105613Nah
>>97105651gw must have changed the canon to some faggotry where the utramar system isn't a separate space where shit isn't so badI guess they had to recycle that for the tau empire so no more ultramarines being ultramarines now they are gay space romans or something even more homosexual
>>97105657If ultras go to an active warzone they're not gonna divert forces to help evacuate some civilians if it's not their mission, for example. Other chapters like salamanders and raven guard will actively do it.
>>97103807Get that flag off your skinny shoulders, you damn Toho commie.
>>97105489I've posted this before but thi edition might be the most and last edition that is SO space marine heavy. They're running out of shit to refresh and niches to fill
>>97104994Marines were underpowered SOMETHING had to be done.
>>97105148As a transwoman, I like how a nonbinary Pawn can become a beautiful femme Queen.
>>97105640>Uh oh! Tourneyfag melty!FYI I never played in a tournament, most of my shit isn't wysiwyg, but when I play casually at the shop or with my friends at a kitchen table we lay out terrain in a similiar symmetrical fashion.>Yeah, like a fucking battlefield, weird huh?Yeah and 40k is a miniature game, not a battlefield as I already explained. Purpose of a tournament is to play a bunch of games and decide a winner, not do your gay RP shit.>Once again, balance and fairness over fun. You do you but I don't have fun when I or my opponent is fucked over before the game even started because LOLSORANDUM STORIES TO TELL YOUR FRIENDS XD. There's enough randomness in the game already.>It kinda looks like a flat, barren, perfectly symmetrical bloodbowl pitch really. Some even have built in lines.So you never play in your home on a table? Or do you have a massive fucking diorama set up specifically for wargames in your manchild gooncave? Most of don't have space for that you know.>That's more of a rules issue and tourneyfag not wanting to take chances."Its over, I only have a 1/3rd chance to succeed a charge, mught as well give up"More like "I can't hide my army in DZ with this terrain setup so whoever goes first will shoot half of the shit off the table">Ffs, you sound like the archetypical waac tourneyfaggot.And you sound like an RPing nogames faggot who played 3 times in his whole life several editions ago, and has no idea how reality works and why things are the way they are.
>>97105698the mouth placement makes no sense. Its like his chin has south park canadian/saddam logic
>>97105662If an incel shoots up your store, the cops won't give you first aid until they've downed the chud.
>>97103820Finished my Master of Possession, currently finishing the building of my converted Oblits
I like this.
>>97105716Why is she so flat? bimbo with a huge ass and NO tits?
>>97105719It happens.
>>97105719Flat is justice!
>>97105719>bimbo with a huge ass and NO tits?Lil bro, for a coomer you certainly lack imagination and familiarization with various smut archetypes, especially as basic as pear/pettanko shape. And I don't even care about the coom stuff, if anything I detest it being spammed here and taking up image limit. Pathetic, you fail even at the most basic of things.
>>97105697>Imagine defending tourneyfaggotry without actually doing tourneys.You're even more pathetic than I thought.Not reading all that, btw. And dont bother (you) me, you already lost.
>>97105727I was convinced it was a male/twink getting debimbofied while still crossdressing
>>97105719That's a man.
>>97105716Is that actually happens to deldar. They can pick up a soulstone and get their personality overwritten by some older dude to mind fuck them into being a normal femboy?
>>97105719Anon, Eldar ARE flat. They have zero body fat. The boob plate armor is wholly sculpted.
>>97063150Have you finished those terminators, characters and drop pods yet?
>>97105735And how is that a bad thing?
>>97105719>bimbo with a huge ass and NO tits?kino
>GW wants each kit to be in only one game for bean counters to see which setting is making the mostWhere does this leave sisters? will they quietly be removed from HH to be in 40k or removed from 40k and be in HH
>>97105796>GW wants each kit to be in only one game for bean counters>for bean countersYou believe that?
>>97105796you should be asking where this leave custodians as a whole
>>97103820Going to try and get these finished today or tomorrow depending on how long things take to dry.
>>97105803>"Good job, Custodes, the Emperor is safe now that I, Guilliman, have an Ultramarine descendant primaris chapter in every Imperial planet. You can go home now"And thus, Custodes becomes a HH exclusive army.
>>97105757>Anon, Eldar ARE flat.No they aren't.
>>97105801Lookat daemons of chaos, they're going to be removed next edition and their boxes all have Age of Sigmar on them. Vashtorr was created to have techno daemons to replace the old daemon kits for 40k
>>97105803>>97105814Custodes will just exist in both. Same with sisters of silence (no one will still give a shit about them either way)
The constant 'discussions' of Eldar here are boring and annoying. Go make your own thread, elf-loving freaks.
>>97105820People care enough to throw a shitfit over femcustodes
What's the actual lore on the Ork psionic field thing? The takes online range from it being very subtle to reality altering meme magic. What do I read for the truth?
>>97105823We did. It's called /40kg/. You must be looking for the traditional 40k discussion over in /grog/
>>97105831Your first failed assumption is that there is such a thing as truth in this setting. There are various interpretations spread across different generations of Codexes and black library novels though.
>>97105820>(no one will still give a shit about them either way)I care about them...I have a squad of all the SoS and the special characters from both 40k and hh
>>97105817I'm asking what that has to do with bean counters
>>97105831Secondaries who say 'orks can change reality if they beleive enough even if its really dumb' is secondary bullshitOrks beleif allows their tech to function as intended, scrap to act like a tank or them to build FTL space ships, gun to work smooth;y that when tried by humans the guns fire but jam a lot more or the barrel breaks from too much dakka. Thats what Orks psionic field does not 'the emperor is only alive because the orks beleive hes the toughest thing in the galaxy, guns with no ammo can fire forever, you can trick orks to thinking you're immortal you actually become immortal' etc
>>97105115>Making a steel legion armyBased>from KriegersGay and shit. Metal or kill yourself faggot.
>>97105838bean counters want it to be as simple as possible to see whick kits make money and don't for which game system. Daemons that get sold could be for 40k or AoS so they can't tell which system is beneftting from that transaction.
>>97105251They is weebshit which is why I love dem
what's the correct choice here?
>>97105729I accept your concession, nogames faggot.
>>97105861Not voting
>>97105115at least use the bits from tinylegend to make them slightly more fitting
>>97105861white dwarf
>>97105348>>97105380>>97105645Why don't you take a look in the Codex and educate yourself a bit?https://litter.catbox.moe/242qz95dx0ly2wbq.pdf
>>97105861Voidscarred by Mike Brooks is the best Eldar Novel ever written*
>>97105850My bad, I thought "bean counter" was slang for rivet counters.ich bien schtoopid, gomenasai
>>97105900>by Mike Brooks>best of anythinggood God things are looking grim for eldarfags
>>97105824Yeah, they only started to care when female custodes were added.Meaning in reality these people don't actually give a shit about sisters of silence.It's the same phenomena when GW out of the blue stopped selling the Blood Angels tactical kit. (maybe because the mold broke or some shit, who knows)And then following it you got numerous people just crawling out of the wood work about how they so "loved" that BA tactical kit. And when asked if they even owned any blood angels, common reply was "Well I don't own any blood angels or marines but..."It's all purely performative, these types of people are just latch onto a thing because popular currently just so they can get pats on the back.
>>97105837
>>97105914Not what was said but go off you autistic king
>>97105914nta but since this picture is trying to make fun of the guy on the right I'll assume the guy on the right is actually right and this is a dishonest caricature.I haven't followed the conversation.
>>97105914This would only make sense if the anon said "most people" not "no one"
When will we get rules for the special hero miniatures they released, like the Tau Twins or the Nid Prime on Foot?
>>97105920You are right like always.
>>97105920You are wrong like always.
>>97105817So...What was the point of Vashtorr again? They can have science-fiction Demons without him. Khorne Daemons with chainswords and guns, Slaanesh Daemons ripping off Dark Eldar, Gas-mask Nurgle Daemons, Tzeentch Daemons with teslo-coils or something. Just add new daemoneetes to Emperor Children, Nurglings to Death Guard etc. It just seems like a very short-sighted decision that invetitable will be course-corrected and techno-demons added to every other Chaos faction in the future, making Vashtorr whole aesthetic and theme redundant...Dude just seems destined to get malaled.
>>97105934Being right is all I have left
>>97105943How can you be right if you only have left?
>>97105940>So...What was the point of Vashtorr again?Further enshittification of 40k.
>>97105919>>97105928
>>97105845krieger steel legion looks great fuck off
>>97105715How'd you get it to look so grimy?
>>97105956>post retarded shit>get called retarded>cry about getting called retardedmany such cases
>>97105947Meet me in the middle here will ya
>>97103820Made more progress before going to work. Nids are quite fun to paint desuNot sure about the eyes though, I dont know how i could fix them
>>97105861vooted for steve lyons doubt he wins again because it's not Vraks, but kropsmen schizoing out in the ossuary was a fun story
>>97105933Probably next year. I assume they all participate in the Ultramar campaign but are not the main characters of it.
>>97105959stippling typhus corrosion and other texture paste on before priming and flicking on some mud when I'm almost done. The rest is an optical illusion achived by oils, pigment powders and sponging on metallics.It's very intuitive and fast, would recommend but dont forget some highlights or it looks dull on the actual gaming table
>>97105943Is that Hitler?
>>97105994Clearly that's Fred
>>97105940All God-marked Tech-daemons are still technically (heh) also beholden to Forge of Souls. Its a bit of like a pyramid skeem, Forge of Souls enhances daemons and they can still continue to work under their main God, but in case said God attempts to take over the Forge, the daemons wold have to change allegiances. That's the Soulgrinder fluff and would extent to similarly augumented DaemonsAnd no, I don't think other Gods get to have techy bits without Malevolent Artifice, which is canon to both 30k and 40k as Vashtorr was teased with picrelated, too>>97105817I kinda doubt that Vashtorr would hog all of 40k daemons, if anything I believe in a full Daemon refresh with some tech-daemons/alt builds mixed it
>>97105974Maybe clean up the bleeding of the glow? Object Source Lighting is kind of a bitch and unless it is really good it tends too look bad when zoom in.
>>97105904>mike brooksI go on about this every time he’s mentioned but NEVER FORGET that he ruined one of the few Ork books we got by making half of it a poorly written admech/iron warriors plot
>>97105940When they split up all the demons into their god-specific books they're going to want one to shove the eventual hashut demon construct slaves into as well.
>>97106001>f anything I believe in a full Daemon refresh with some tech-daemons/alt builds mixed itThats what I mean, the current daemon kits and characters are AOS/old world only and new techno daemons for the 4 gods will come to replace them.Daemon Primaris if you will
>>97105824I care about Custodes and own 2k pts of them, and I dont mind femstodes if they look like picrel. They did it with stormcasts, so its strange why GW femstodes are fridges.If male custodes should be the peak of mankind, then femstodes should be the peak of womankind, Wonder Woman style.As for SoS I always liked them, but I find their minis poses to be wonky, like a half squat look. Have them stand straight like Aleya's mini and I would have squads of them just because.
>>97106009I thought his Lion book was much more egregious. Don't understand at all why everyone seems to like that one.
>>97106006I could just leave the eyes and fill in the recesses with red. It was a fairly quick job, just the usual white ink followed by flouro green ink. It does look pretty shit once I took photos of it desu
>>97106019I never read 40k space marine books so thankfully I’m saved. Why’s it so bad?
>>97103825>Intercessors getting merged into Tactical and Devastator squads>Phobos being merged into a single kit>Gravis is merged too or goes to Legends>retarded shit nobody likes like ATV, Devastation Squad, turrets, Phobos baby carrier and Suppressors goes to LegendsI'm okay with it
Brother's help
>>97106013>Thats what I mean, the current daemon kits and characters are AOS/old world only and new techno daemons for the 4 gods will come to replace them.I mean, thats not what I said, I said that its likely we get the other 2 Chaos Demigods (as we have gotten with Belakor and Vashtorr) and kits that fit/have options for specifically the 30k-40k Chaos Cosmology. That includes tech daemons but doesn't quite end of them
Is a Night Spinner useful?
>>97106038I love it
>>97105861Dropsite Massacre was pretty good. I was hyped for Interceptor City but it was very mid, can't believe Abnett was sitting on this for like 15 years
>>97106057That's just porn
>>97106057dude her asshole is just right there. I can practilly smell the pristine shit particles through my monitor. get this off off my computer.
>>97106048Yes but it's nerfed
There was a brief moment where GW painted their models super well and then the eavy metal team devolved back into their edge highlighting ways.
>>97106057Based vacation haver.
>>97106057Coomer: extreme edition
>>97105716You're right too>>97105755The implication is that after finding the soulstone the Drukhari no longer fears losing their soul to Slaanesh and is able to stop feeding on suffering and joins the path of the Craftworld EldarWhich does happen sometimes in the lore, Eldar moving from one "faction" to another over the course of their lives.
>>97103825I'd laugh and continue using tacticals.
>>97106047Oh I see okay. I duno if we'll ge tthe other 2 minor chaos gods/lesser god/demigods whatever the fuck they are. I don't see them getting their own daemon army but if they did that would be really cool, would also see a return of Malal in all but name if Malice got a daemon army
>>97106075Im guessing its because its easier for painters to achieve the edge highlights than the pic you posted. They dont want to demoralise the fuck outta people that are getting into the hobby
>>97106075I liked that FW had more grime/realistic paintjobs compared to GW's clean colorful minis
>>97106048It's way too expensive for what it does. It's only good when your opponent runs one giga deathstar unit that you can cripple.It's giga useless a lot of the time.
>>97106074It's an anti-infantry vehicle, right? Does that really have a niche when Eldar have so many anti-infantry infantry options for cheaper?
>>97103825"look man I can't tell the difference between Imperial weapons, they all look the same to me. Just tell me what those guys do"
>>97105199>How would you "beatifully decorate" the tables when you might have to prepare terrain for tens of tables if it's a bigger tournament?By having a variety of terrain pieces outside of L shaped ruins and integrating said pieces with the board, not having bare walls and an acrylic transparent "base". Also scatter terrain.
>>97106083>I don't see them getting their own daemon armyI dont think so either, I dont even think there is even remotely an intention for that. I think we might see more undivided daemons to pad out the army slightly as well as additional options for Marks (which already exist in HH Burning of Omlet or whatever its called). Mono-god daemon armies were never an intended playstyle and at best some weird opt-in sidegrade, so I can see them expanding into the rainbow daemons more if anything.>Malice/MalalPretty sure I've seen a statement by some GW big hat saying that Be'lakor was created to be a narrative replacement for that but who knows.
>>97106019It's a reddit book and only troons on reddit like it.
>>97105199git gud
>>97106100>>97105199This is an image from a 5th edition tournament in Chile. If I recall correctly it was from the start of 5th so around 2008.Having a bunch of terrain for an event is not hard, if we could do it almost 20 years ago in the third world. The First world has no excuse.
>>97106035why would gw sideline all those kits that sell better than most whole factions?
>>97106085Funny thing is no. There's no way a new painter can have the brush control to do GW's edge highlights but literally everyone can do volumetrics if you understand the very simple basics because blending literally doesn't matter.
>>97106094Need Farseer wife who groans at my bad jokes before I say them.
>>97106143I mean if GW really didn't want to demoralise their coomsumers, they would just use cumtrast for their marketing models
I can’t stop ordering warhammer and starting new armies somebody stop me!
>>97106150halt! stop that!there you go.
>>97106131Tourneyfags just have a very weird mindset. They seem to think we want boards to be planet bowlingbowl with almost no terrain but that's not true. The game needs "dense" terrain, it just doesn't have to be nothing but ugly L shaped ruins without even a floor or rubble to make them look like an actual ruin.
>>97106147That's really cute, Anon
I love priming kitbashes and seeing the odd parts blend together.
>>97106181This is what the kids call "SOVL"Fabius Bile jr?
>>97106094It's about the rule that caps the enemy infantry it's good against certain units and certain factions you don't get it for its firepower
I ordered both a rare metal miniature from the UK and a bunch of recasts from China, whoever delivers first has my loyalty.
>>97106186It's my take on Oleander Koh, one of Biles apprentices from the Consortium.
>>97106085precise edge highlighting is harder than proper shading but it shows off the details of models while still having a scheme that appears really simple. it's an ideal promotional approach for consistent results across a whole product range.
>>97103816Pay to win competitive plastic army men
>>97104979Because it's the worst edition since... 7th? It's a shrimplified mess. It's not even fun to play. I fear 11th won't be any better. Good thing I've got Necromunda
>>97106075>There was a brief moment where GW painted their models super wellThat's a Forgeworld model painted by the Forgeworld team.GW has never strayed away from the Heavy Metal paintstyle and never will. Also the whole point of the art style is to look good on the box, so all the models "pop" visually.
>>97106196'ery noice, lookin' forward to the progress, already looks dope
>>97106203I'll say this, end 8th was a bit of a slog but end 9th was fun with how wild everything was.
>>97106196>Oleander KohAmazing character, based choice.
>>97106209My big issue with 9th was the stratagem gotcha.Like during 3rd to 5th you could just look at a unit "datasheet" and know what they could do, but during 9th? You had no clue what a unit could do by just looking at it, since a number of its rules where not there.
They have to have the balls to actually simplify 11th down to the bare bones of a good game rather than holding on to bloat caused by legacy features of a game that has been bad for 40 years. Even if it's poorly received by the old men who miss their memories of 3rd edition the models will still sell because of addiction, video games and tv shows. 10th was a product of cowards, and a failure.
>>97106230Funko sold due to addiction and failure till they didn't.People buying shit regardless of quality is nothing new.What is your point anon?
>>97104979Because they've put 10th on hold for a year or something. It would have been fine if the editon wasn't a dumpster fire. I wish 9th would have went on for one more year, they released my codex and then announced 10th.
>>97106226Yeah, but with 10th every single unit's got a built in stratagem.
>>97106226Oh for sure, at any moment your opponent could pop out some stratagem you'd never heard of.It was basically a pre-game check of "Do you have a strat that does x, y, or z?"Granted, you still have that to an extent in 10th where it just got shuffled into the rules for various units.THAT is honestly my biggest sticking point, not every unit and every troop choice in the game needs its own rule or variation of a rule.
>>97106230>>97106235ThisThe modern model of industry is finding/making and then targeting addicts and irresponsible spenders.The previous model of programmed obsolescence is still in effect, this is another layer.
>>97106235The point is they can take the risk of destroying the current game to make something that can eventually actually be good without worry that people will stop buying space marines if it releases to negative responses. Burn down the house and build a better one. Short term pain for long term gain.If you can't finish a standard game of 40k in 90 minutes then they continue to fail.
>>97106230>10th was a product of cowards, and a failure.10th edition is a product of retardation, shrimplification and enshittification.It's a failure because it took all the flavor out of the game. 10th edition is genuinely just bland, grey mush. It is actual slop of what a wargame is supposed to be.There is no better word to describe it, it is slop.
>>97106241I mean older edition still had universal special rules.But usually in things like 3rd/4th you had like 1 or 2 tops. You had to go out of your way to start adding crap to your units like for example Imperial Guard doctrines, but even then you paid points for each special bullshit so you look at the unit an immediately could tell what it was doing.Hell some of the special abilities a unit could have like deep strike or infiltrate could simply not work if you are playing a mission where those things are not permitted
>>97106250>new text document
>>97106240that is good actually.
>>97106277No.
>>97106240True, but still I need to look somewhere else to know about it and in some case it wont have it because it is the wrong detachment.Also why the hell do some units need to be on an objective or their target on an objetive in order to have an ability. Specially ones that make them hit/wound better. Is just odd
>>97106266I do remember the USRs and while it was nice that a unit would have two at most, you had the later issue of USR bloat in 6th on where you began to see things like Crusader popping in which were slight variants of other rules. I did enjoy the 4e Marine Codex and slapping True Grit on my squads and miss when a character was basically "No you can't use them below x points" But I was never a huge fan of the Special characters to begin with.I don't really miss blast templates for the sheer reason of it slowed the game down as EVERYONE tried to maximize that 2" coherency where I played.
I enjoy playing 10th edition
>>97106206As of that FW model didn't pop.
>shanghaied prisoners and local gangbangers requisitioned into the service of an inquisitorial authority, whose very existence is a matter of debate, and who forces them to fight madmen and mutants in tunnels and trenches for the sake of reclaiming arms manufacturing infrastructure that would facilitate the repetition of all the aforementioned on other worldsDarktide simply captures 40k in a way that no space marine game ever has.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ0g-LyBUjo
>>97106230None of the issues with 10th come from holding on to "legacy features" quite the fucking opposite.
>>97106277Fuck no.
>>97106304Honestly I dont think its too bad, and this is coming from someone who played 3rd / 4th when it was current. Granted I didnt play anything past 5th ed until I played 10th but still
>>97106311You say that like there's a lot of space marine games
>>97106311That's because Space Marines don't belong in 40K. They belong in HH. HH should have been a time of heroes and glory, a Greek epic tragedy. 40K should have the SMs and Primarchs be legends of a brighter time. SMs unironically ruin 40K.
>>97106221Yeah he was good character. I'm thinking about making some more chaos apothecaries from the Bile books as proxies for the old enhanced warriors bile had as a bodyguard.So it's gonna be:>Oleander, EC>Tsimiskies, IW>either Arrian or Harruk, WE>either Kohrag or Morag, DG>Duco, NL
>>97106299>I don't really miss blast templates for the sheer reason of it slowed the game down as EVERYONE tried to maximize that 2" coherency where I playedBeing mindful of coherency doesn't really take any more time than not doing it. You just space the models a bit more whole moving them.
>>97106299>I don't really miss blast templates for the sheer reason of it slowed the game down as EVERYONE tried to maximize that 2" coherency where I played.This is a meme. How do I know? I still play 4th playing horde and marines and the autistic spreading is a forum myth.Even the image example that is artistically spreading it only happen in a vacuum, since a game there is terrain. That you need to move into or around so you can't autistically spreadAlso as you mention the game basically died when 5th showed up, the written was on the wall when crap like true line of sight.
>>97106304It's functional but nothing else. There's nothing in 10th that I think it's done better than in older editions.
10th should have dropped true line of sight. You still measure from the bases when deciding range. The fact that a banner decides if your dudes can be targeted or not is retarded
>>9710625910th is so clogged with unique special abilities it's a chore to play. Too much "flavour" bloat like it's a bad card game.
>>97106336>true line of sight.bingo
>>97106306Not in a similiar way, no.It is well painted, but it is much more subtle and toned down.Like find an old Ultramarines model painted by the FW team and then compare them to the regular intercessor box and you see how stark the difference is with them.FW was going for subtle, high effort paintjob which looks like a good art piece. GW is doing the opposite.
>>97106340That's not even flavor and I think giving every god damn unit their own special rule is genuinely fucking stupid.What people mean by flavor is shit like weapon options.Like look at pic related.
>>97106340That's not even flavour when there's like 5 effects they give to every ability. It's just pointless crap to keep track of instead of working with the core rules to simulate intuintive interactions but GW thinks it's "streamlined" because those abilities are printed in the datasheet but no, that's not streamlined it just means you have to constantly reference those stupid little cards.
>>97106339Cylinder line of sight is objectively superior. I should not be punished for my fucking Hormagaunts' claws sticking out five miles past the base while Guardsmen stand perfectly vertical and get hidden with ease.
>>97106324God you faggots are just so tiresome
>>97106313the charge rules and rolling to wound are antiques that should have been a decade ago.
I love how GW went full malicious compliance with the Power Level situation in 10th. I can't wait for them to bring it back in 11th and pretend that it's a way to make it even easier to do the army building
>>97106372sorry not everyone understands your particular narrow and autistic definition of flavour.
>>97106195>30 Great Britistan PoundabooloonsNot too bad for that model.
>>97106230warhammer has been dead since they removed side-specific tank armour vals, simple as
>>97106372>This model can be given two (2) weapons from the (assault weapons) list>only one (1) can be a two handed weapon>Point values and profiles can be found (at the end of the codex)Voila
>>97106390No, his definition of flavor is generally agreed upon
>>97106372My meme 3rd/4th GSC count as army has more interesting options than this sorry thing.The saddest part that I was just trying to make a quick list to simulate the modern GSC in the older rules using the IG codex.
>>97106329Its not a huge issue, especially as I picked up a protractor/movement measuring stick that had a 2" side so I could just spot check my stuff and I didn't play it 'too' autistically tight. >>97106336There's a way you can do it right and not take forever and a day but where I played back in the day, the guys were VERY competitive so they'd try and make sure everything was 'perfect'It would slow things down a bit but I saw it happen more than once. Honestly, I've come to find that TLOS is just causing more issues than it solves at this point. Ironically they may just need to go back to terrain types where its "Ok, its a ruin/Jungle. You can see INTO it but not through it unless you are in it." "Ok, thats a crater/rubble/etc, you can see through it and guys in it get cover."Measure to the base, ignore TLOS and just go on some terrain types
>>97106407The Taros Campaign's got working crews with mining lasers and shit. Worth a look.
>>97106407Idk anonWhere are your rerolls and crit 6 abilities?
>>97106299>I don't really miss blast templates for the sheer reason of it slowed the game down as EVERYONE tried to maximize that 2" coherency where I played.Don't play with those kind of people?>Hey dude, let's play with templates, just you and me>No, people abuse mini placement and slow the game>I ain't doing that... Are you gonna do that?>...
>>97106418>VERY competitivedoubt.jpgThink you didn't call out cheaters, simple as that. You are playing a wargame, the tournamentfag mindset was not a thing back then. It was just cheaters.
>>97106403"his" lol okay dude. weapons options are the only acceptably interesting part of units.
>>97106361>Gigantic difference in contrast>Every volume readable ar first sight>Materials and texture clearly identifyable because not everything is painted the same way>Vibrant coloursNone of this is subtle or toned down. It's just called doing volumetric highlights instead of having flat colours and highlighting every edge as if it was a tron costume no matter the material.
>>97106425Funny that you mention it, there is a doctrine that allowed re-rolls
>>97106377LolLmao
>>97106443Weapons and wargear can be combined to give your dude flavor, yes. Removing these options removes flavor.
>>97106439Back then it was basically the only game in town as far as gatherings went We literally played out of a converted barn with a heater. A few guys were cool but I ended up just staying away from a lot of blast/template weapons to speed up games.And I played horde BT so I got very good at spot measuring and moving. >>97106440Tail end of Fouth? Maybe not but a majority of my playtime was in 5th, so I got to experience the full gambit of Psy-ammo dreads, Jaws of the World Wolf, Leaf Blower, and the Las/Plas Razorback Parking Lot of Blood angels. I ran more casual lists but it was a lot of try-Harding.
>>97106443NTA but while weapons aren't the only form of flavour, the game was in a much better place when most of the difference between units was the way they interacted with their stats (including weapons) instead of stats being half irrelevant and only an abstracted gimmicky, often nonsensical "ability" mattering.
>>97106454nta but>re-roll 1sor>+1 to BS / +1 to hit (stat boost)Which is best?Which is an adequate/equivalent replacement for re-rolls?
>>97103807>picWhat a strange, medicated, dead-eyed visage
>>97106475Both +1s are way more powerful than re-rolling 1s.
>>97106372>weapons options is flavor>but unique rules is not flavor
>>97106475>>97106485If you have a Crit 5 rule (Sus or Lethal) and you hit on 3s, reroll 1s is mathematically better because you have an equal chance of rerolling into a miss or a crit.
>>97106469I get you, from my own experience the problem wasn't the templates but shitty players.Still from my experience the people who complained about rule abuse are either those who were surrounded by shitty people/players, or people who abused the rules themselves and are trying to pass off their behavior as normal (and thus not their fault).There's a reason why there used to be an emphasis on "the spirit of the rules" vs "the word of the rules".No system is perfect, but you can have perfect fun if you only play with decent folks.t. My early wargaming experience entirely consisted of playing against my older brother who played me to win, and nowadays he complains of rule abuses when old rules are brought up.
>>97106499Said "unique" ability is the same for all units of that type, thoughever. There is simply no way of adding your own flavor to the model by combining weapons and wargear (while modeling these on the model)
>>97106508The old days truly were taking what you could get. The guys were mostly pretty good, its just that template weapons were a pain in the dick to work with as there would ALWAYS be one model that straddled the line so it became a question of 'hey he's not fully under if you look from this specific angle."
>>97106499Unique rules which cause more and more book keeping that nobody actually likes. Half of the rules aren't even that flavorful to begin with and they only exist because GW is obsessed with putting a special rule ON EVERYTHING, even though that makes zero sense to do.And yes, I will call it flavor, when it reality it has none.
>people are nostalgiafagging over fucking blast templates now of all thingsTerminal case of contrarianism holy fuck. Previous editions did a lot of things better but blast templates aren't one of those things
>>97106518In those cases you simply flipped a coin
>>97106519>I will call it flavorI will not*
>Grotmas Calendar Day 3 – Loyalist Legion painting guideHAHAAHH
Wish they were the aos blightkings but oh well. Im curious when they'll make demon joytoys if ever.
>>97106520i didnt like them when i started playing and i dont like them now. when you have 100s of models shit like that sucks.they are cool in necromunda though.
>>97106520I never played the older editions as I am a 10th babby but blast templates look fucking cancerous
>>97106527>the aos blightkings
>>97106523Typically I'd check that angle and defer. It was usually one guy in a squad so it wasn't worth spinning in circles with.Its mostly the fact that you'd have to pause the game and debate a sliver of a base that got to me. Not that the modern blast rules are much better, flamers can go from hitting one guy 6 times to hitting a squad of 20 only 3 times but thats part of the issue from swapping out of Templates and I'm not sure if the fix is being more aggressive with adding additional hits per model or not.
>>97106526>day 4 is gonna be Old WorldGood job James my expectations have cratered.
>>97106518>he's not fully underPTSD kicking inStandard version:>If the model's center is under the template, he's fully hit>If less than half is under the template, malus (depends on the weapon)Simplified version:>If it's over it, it's over it.or>If center not over, it's not overThat kind of stuff needs to be adressed and decided pre game, can always roll it off if an agreement cannot be reached>>97106520>t. projecting contrarian
>>97106536I've played since the 6th and blast templates took years off my life.Good riddance.
>>97106527What's the point of these? It's not like lil' timmy's finna play with them cuz they cost an arm and a leg, meanwhile you can get the real deal for less if you an adult. You finna but them in a jar an bust a nut on them niggas?
>>97106519It's a case by case basis but conceptually unique rules should give every unit it's own niche and something to consider outside of sheer mathematical value of unit's stats.Giving troop-type units utility abilities like sticky objective was a great idea imo.
>>97106520The fuck you mean contrariarism? I've been asking for templates since 8th removed them. I always loved them. And AVs. And cover saves. And the old AP system. And the old FOC. All much better mechanics than their modern replacements.
>>97106547I think there are more people who have bought the joytoy titans than there are knight players.
>>97106549Not when they aren't consistent. If they made sticky an USR like ObSec and every troop unit got it then there would be no issue.
>>97106552cover saves would be good. the old ap system was trash.
Fucking hell, is this fake grog general or something?
Im mtg player and want get into 40k. If i buy an army, how long till they get rotated out to legends? Is there an eternal format as modern in mtg? I can play with legends at tournaments?
>>97106544The problem with the simplified version of that is I'd see someone trying to pull the reverse of "Oh but if you look from this angle he IS in." But its just something inherent to the use of templates and you just have to ask if the quibbling over them will be worth it. I got tired of it, though weirdly enough I never had much of an issue with the AV value and angles arguing. >>97106552I personally didn't mind the AV system, you'd run into angle issues on some of the weirder craft out there (looking at you eldar/Tau) but facing arguments were far rarer than templates.>>97106559I agree in that I prefer the new AP system versus Save/No Save and could see cover being rolled back in as a "your minimum is now this"
(not mine, stole it off twitter.)
>>97106571Approximately 10 years. Primaris intercessors are about to get rotated out
>>97106571Legends doesn't happen too often and as long as you are not playing in a tournament, everything is legal.
>>97106566We're at the tail end of the worst edition in a decade. People simply reminisce about a better time. You can't deny that 4th and 5th were more fun to play.
>>97106573>from this angleYou look up, you use a laserOR, even simpler:>don't play with that kinda cuntIt's not a problem inherent to templates.Good players with templates: no problemsGood players without templates: no problemsCunts with templates: problemsCunts without templates: also problemsThe common denominator is clear
>>97106582>You can't deny that 4th and 5th were more fun to play.No 8th is more fun to play than those editions.
>>97106575That is a gnarly conversion. What's that head off, reductus saboteur?
>>97106582He can if that gives him (you)s.Engage with baitniggers at your own risk.
>>97106582I liked 4th, didnt play too much of 5th. 4th just has that nostalgia vibe for me, playing with my friends after school finished and struggling to get through a game in a night
>>97106469>playtime was in 5thOh I pity you>Jews of the World WolfAh there is a reason why I used the meme drop pod spam in this event. >>97106131Just to counter the fucking wolf fag. He usually deployed in a corner to abuse the jaws of the world so I drop pod him into a corner and let him be trapped on a wall of drop pods.Fucking asshole.>>97106508But anon here is correct you where dealing with mostly cheaters or assholes. Back then we counter them or told them to fuck off.
>>97106593Same here. I think people simply look more flavorfully on those editions because they enjoyed life more back then. I know I do
>>97106593i had the same experience. i think my love for 4th edition is mostly that back then i had lots of friends and i miss that.10th plays alright.
>>97106584I mean current 10th tables are a result of tournamentfag assholes bending rules over and over again.They simply need to punch, bullying needs a comeback otherwise this fuckers will never learn.
>>97106584And at the time it was the only game in town and burned me bad enough that I just don't want to deal with it going forward. People are slow enough with movement as is, not to mention the rando that thinks we're trying to play ITC rules at the FLG, I don't want to add the potential arguments or debates over templates with it. Without templates, one of these players is tolerableWith? Its pain.>>97106599There was some fun stuff in 5th but Jaws starting that brief trend of "Remove the Model" sniping turned things cancerous And while i could get that in a bigger community, in the modern one where I'm now the crotchety old man it would be fine, back then it was legit the only game in town so if you were playing that guy in the barn for your one game a week, its what you would take. For perspective, I was a high schooler about to graduate back then, we had only one store in town and it didn't even have a gaming space. I've got good memories of that old barn but MAN were some weeks a kick in the dick.Launching the Holy Hand Grenade was always fun though.
>>97106571Sorry i read that wrong, legends are not legal in tournaments by design. They are older models that no longer are sold and don't get updated rules so they are not balanced.Casual play is anything goes and is where legends units are intended to be used, were people who bought things years ago can still get use out of them which i guess is closer to vintage.The legends stuff is usually worse than tournament legal things.
>>97106559Unironically saves mattered way more with the old AP system. Sure units with shit saves would get them negated by most weapons but so they do now. But good armour was always there against the vast majority of weapons.
>>97106615*10th ed tables are a result of GW bending the knee to assholesFtfy>bullying needs a come backNigger cheaters ARE bullies; it's the same personalities. Don't go in the mud when you're dealing with pigs, they love it.You hold people accountable, call shit out and leave if they don't change, that's fucking it mate.
>>97106527What's the scale of these? how impractical would they be to turn into a demon prince?
>>97106630> Sure units with shit saves would get them negated by most weapons but so they do now.Playing GSC in 10th just suck, everything ignores my 5+At least during 3rd when everything was AP5 my Sv5+ could work in melee, now not even that because even fucking chainswords are AP-1 and some times AP-2
>>97106605???? I can go read the 4th edition rules right now and see it has way more flavour than 10th this isn't nostalgia talking.
>>97106630I'd need to check the math but the AP change helped low save models more as they went from 'no save' to 'shitty 6+ save' while Marines went from 3+ to 4+ or worse Now, you DO get some sort of save against plasma as a marine, even if its a 6, but by and large your armor does less against more targets. Its taught me to cover camp with my marines, especially since one of my buddies played a cancerous Admech list in 9th when they had that enriched rounds strat.
>>97106642Not him but I'd argue thats more a result of AP creep than anything as Chainswords used to just be a close combat weapon, THEN they got the extra bonus attack, THEN the marine variants got the pip of AP on them.
>>97106643it does yeah.but we play 2k pts now with 125 models. i dont want the 4th rules for that.
>>97106634I recall back in the day we publicly shame cheaters aka bullying. Fuckers quickly learn to never do it or never came back. And we where a bunch of third worlder nerds for fuck sake
>>97106643Well, yeah, but I think most of the legwork is done by other things. It was a better time, so we enjoyed the game more. If you play 4th today, I'm sure you won't be able to replicate even a fifth of the joy you felt back then.
>>97106663Perhaps but objectively it would still be a better time than 10th.
>>97106661>publicly shaming cheaters is bullyingWhat exactly did you do?
>>97106659>we play 2k with 125Nta but... Play smaller armies? Does the warhammer police forbid you entry if you don't bring 125 models worth 2k pts?
>>97106676well i play orks so what am i supposed to do?
>>97106643I mean old 4th combat patrol rules, said if something was wrong or felt odd with rules the solution was simply don't be a retard and worst case scenario roll a dice.
>>97105697Arguing with them is pointless. And yeah it's hard to set up a narrative scenario that's fun and balanced. Last time my buddy and I tried the game was over by turn 2 because the special rules we gave him didn't end up mattering.
>>97106671Rape correction
>>97106692Play 1500 pts?1250? 1000?2k being the standard doesn't mean you have to play 2k
>>97106718>rape correction>No no, you're doing it wrong, let me show you>Ooh, that way, I see, thank you for correcting my rape>You're welcome:C
>>97106729The game is obviously "balanced" around 2k. The abilities of some units, stratagems and detachment rules make playing 1k games very lopsided
>>97106671We had a forum for the local store where we coordinated games. So whenever someone cheated it was added to the public list with his forum user name and army. After certain time with no new incidentes the name was removed.
>>97106605That isn’t true at all. I have a local playgroup that exclusively plays 3/4th edition and half of us were not even alive when that edition was current. We all started in 10th and fucking hated playing it but like the models and such. But we can’t get enough of the oldhammer way of playing. It’s catching on locally
>>97106743If someone cheats and you put out a sign outside the store "you are banned for cheating", it's not public shaming, it's a public thing that brings shame, but the point isn't to shame.If I steal a TV and the news call me a thief people would laugh at me for calling that "public shaming".I'm not sure if this even fits the definition of bullying mate.
>>97106754He is not banned anon. Just a public notice to annyone playing with him that he is a cheater. It resulted in less games with the guy and anyone playing with him being aware of the stupid crap.Eventually the cheaters stop cheating or stop playing.
I remember back in 5th when I was a 12 yo Timmy. My friend played Gray Knights. We thought he was making up his own bullshit Mary Sue-fluff, so we bullied him and called him Kaldor Draigo's boyfriend. He didn't actually make these things up, but I think it's amazing how even a bunch of 12 year olds can discern when something is complete schlock
>>97106742Well maybe 10th actually does suck balls then lmfao
>>97106336Whats wrong with 5th edition?
>>97106742Only because restrictions like >>97106698 no longer exist.
>>97106752A lot of people seem to be going that way lately. Too bad 11th will just double down on everything bad about 10th.
>>97106782Paying the troop tax was to hard for normalfags
>>97106764I didn't say he was banned, I gave an example.Serious question: what else are you supposed to do when a guy cheats?>Ban>Tell people that he cheats>Put up signI may be wrong but it doesn't strike me as bullying, like the point isn't to annoy the guy. If it was then I guess.
>>97106787im not that sure that they will. they probably want to sell terrain and the current terrain rules suck.
>>97106793They would have to have terrain for sale first.
>>97106793A cities of death supplement would actually make a lot of sense for 10th, but it's too late now
Wait so this general is full of people who have played this game for a while but dont play and dont collect models anymore due to not liking thr current edition? Might explain the reason behind the consistent negative shitposting
>>97106779Two things that come to mind is true line of sight, something that is still fucking with current 40k and the wound allocation.Which resulted in units needing to be killed multiple times before loosing models.For example if you had 5 models with 2 wounds each and everyone had slightly different gear. You could assign each one a wound before removing a model.So only after the 6th wound a model would die instead of the 2nd wound, meaning multi wound units had way more staying power than intended
>>97106793I'm pretty sure they will remove bs/ws and S vs T and roll those into one stat like in AoS
>>97106805I dont play 10th but I still paint models
>>97106805I collect models but I haven't played 40k in over a year. This edition is simply not my cup of tea. I do play Necromunda, though. I don't post models anymore due to the resident schizos
>>97106814>tfw my models aren't interesting enough to attract the schizos
>>97106807Considering everything bad about the past few editions comes directly from AoS I wouldn't be surprised.
>>97106806>For example if you had 5 models with 2 wounds each and everyone had slightly different gear. You could assign each one a wound before removing a model.>So only after the 6th wound a model would die instead of the 2nd wound, meaning multi wound units had way more staying power than intendedThat sounds kind of like a thing that would be look down upon in any environment bar the sweatiest tournament Also how does wound allocation work in conjunction with TLoS when, say, only 1 model is visible?
>>97106805I play the alternate game modes like boarding actions, narrative games, and SM Operations
>>97106806>For example if you had 5 models with 2 wounds each and everyone had slightly different gear. You could assign each one a wound before removing a model.That isn't legal in (at least that I remember) 3rd-5th and 8th-10th.
>>97106822>Considering everything bad about the past few editions comes directly from AoS Blame the devs for 40k being lazy and not understanding why the stuff that works, works there and not in 40k.
>>97106823With true true line of sight only the visible model would be able to take wounds. What we have today is a strange mix of TLoS and abstractions
>>97106792I see your point, but in the case of a nerd that wants to play with dolls being call out for their disgusting behavior is a form of bullying.Think it is like the toaster fucking thing, if you do not call them out, they will continue and we end with waacfags and tournamentfags that miss the point of a wargame.
>>97106835>why the stuff that works, works there and not in 40k.Yeah, bit a shame they take what 'works' from the game nobody plays.
>Rebellion stirs in Sept Hel'Ghan...
>>97106805Not really, as reductive as it sounds arguments here usually involve:>The 8th/10th ed player: doesn't know much nor cares about what came prior, thinks old is bad and new is good, will project that on you and call you "old good new bad".>The guy allergic to negativity, sometimes overlap with the recent player>The real newbie: doesn't know much and so doesn't argue much, he's just discovering stuff, you've been there>The old player: Generally not happy with the state of things, exceptions exist>The xeno player: having a good time (ork players may vary)And worst last:>The perpetual shitter. Will bait, will throod, will rant about avatarfags, anything that gives him the attention he craves. He's not misunderstood, he's a husk. Primaris are king? Nomodels? Fake grogs did this? He loves it.Not found here:>The HH player>The grogLurking:>BL reader>Hobbyguy (sometimes post their beautiful models, we love them <3 no homo)Source: my ass
>>97106843isnt age of sigmar somewhat popular these days?
What do we get for grotmas this year, is it a unit reveal every day?
>>97106843So true.
>>97106841Hard disagree, calling out isn't the same as bullying. And that doesn't mean bullying is good either.Agree to disagree, nothing to add here.
>>97105796They'll probably be squatted and wholesale replaced by femstodes
>>97106851You forgot the professional GW haters
>>97106830It was a 5th thing, you could allocate wounds to any unique model. It was only a 5th thingThe good thing it was not very abusable since usually you didn't have units with multiple models that have more than two wounds, usually just a squad leader or a heavy weapon squad. So outside of a couple of units it was not a big deal.The only big example was the ork nobz on bike.
>>97106870No, it's either the old player or the shitter, depending on what side he's playing that day
>>97105801There's some incredible autism involved, at least. I totally support the conspiracy that there's an internal war between the settings and GWs specialist games (except Necromunda, which seems to be some higher ups pet project)
>>97106830>>97106878GENTLEMENBEHOLD:>units can only shoot at the nearest enemy unit>models are removed from closest to furthest
Anyone ever end up posting a pdf/epub of Archmagos?
>>97106886> which seems to be some higher ups pet projectNah thats LI. And soon to be BFG set in the HH.
>>97106852Lol no, GW tried to pretend it was back when the new edition launched and all the 'hype' died instantly the moment they turned their focus back to 40k. The game's deader than Old World, which is really saying something considering Fantasy's would be on track to die a second time if 40k wasn't covering GW's expenses.
>>97106896>BFGImagine>Planetary empire campaign>BFG battles>Epic/Ligma scale for battle>regular rules for skirmish
>>97106891>leadership test to target whatever you want>allocate wound and remove models are two different things
>>97106311>Darktide simply captures 40k in a way that no space marine game ever has.I think it's just more modern 40K. Same as Space Marine 2.Imagine related, leopard clothes? Oh I hope it's a print and no animals were harmed- I I er I mean wouldn't it be scary if it was from a monster in the hive we're fighting in, haha?Similarly there's other descriptions like a pair of goggles claiming it's not real metal, it's plastic, made to look metal for consumers, because y'know 40K is about consumerism and planned obsolesence. Why we even have characters so paradoxically familiar with the setting they cry out against the working conditions in the manufactorum but fully know what a daemonhost is.And the skins, be they elysians, athonians, arbites, all made back when 40K was fun, but in this it's like a 3rd edition repaint, all colour taken away except for two dull designs of fire wastes red and blue camo on your weapons painted in ways you'd never see on the tabletop.And that's to say nothing of the political choices in character design. If I wanted to see that I'd browse the webstore and avoid the old world range at all costs for fear of being exposed to what was.
>>97106902>Allocate wounds from closest to nearest, you pedantic twat
>>97106896Sure, but it can't be financially viable to release 3 (amazing) sculpts of fucking chefs
Rolled 5 (1d6)>>97106907*furthestI fell down the stairs, rolling for spaghettis in my pockets, 4+
>>97106907Not trying to be pedantic, but do you have a screenshot of the rules from 5th? I have the rulebook at home, but no scan of it here. Trying to remember what fucked up interaction GW made after more than 20 years is not exactly easy
>>97105940>So...What was the point of Vashtorr again?Lead in to Dark Mechanicum/equivalent faction release
>>97104849Nah, I just left the thread and came back. I see that in the time I was gone, you still hadn’t taken your meds.
>>97106925Picrel?
>>97106929I'm not sure. Belakor didn't get any models. Mabye it was just a way to sell another centre piece model
>>97106955Was thinking about the wounds part, but cool nonetheless!
>>97106854So far we got:>Fanfic about Titus>Something about aos chaos dwarves >Paint guide for heresy
>>97106972
>>97106971Be'lakor got models in AoS
>>97106955>5E TLoS only counts specifically head, torso, arms and legs>wings, tails, antennas, banners dont countHow is that an issue?Thats pretty cool and sensible IMO
>>97106975Amazing how they fumbled all the goodwill they won last year.
>>97106972>>97106978
>>97106980No he didn't.
>>97106994Legionnaires, Eternus, and the Centaurion Marshal...
>Note that any model in the target unit can be hit, wounded and taken off as a casualty, even models that are completely out of sight or out of range of all of the firers. This may seem slightly strange, but it represents the fact that the real action on the battlefield is not as static as our models. In reality the warriors, both the firers and the targets, would be moving around and real bullets have a nasty habit of ricocheting or simply going through covering terrain!This is bullshit>representsmy ass
>>97106984theres a lot of days left. im sure things will improve
>>97107000Wasn't that for Warcry?
>>97106905the fuck are you on about, literally schizo pattern hallucination
>>97107003>Private, what are you doing!?>Just having a peek at the enemy, sir>PRIVATE YOU FOOL>The entire squad was subsequently devastated by a swarm of richocheting rounds, torn asunder, leaving only red paste and pierced armor plates>All except the young private, hit right in the forehead. He did not suffer.
>>97107006>said the fool, foolishly
>>97107017Legionnaires and the CM yes, but they are 100% supported in main AoS and have synergy with each other, Furies, and Be'lakor
>>97107003Yeah, I never liked this either. It's not intuitive and it creates wierd scenarios that frankly doesn't make any sense, no matter how hard they try to twist it.
>>97106984It's dangerous to give the fans too much. They'll get used to it.
>>97107003>>97107025>>97107035All of the unit would still get full cover saves even if 4/10 models were sticking out though, its pretty lenient in that regard so one dude sticking out wouldn't matter?
>>97106984>>97107044Internmitent reinforcementCompanies and Govts are big on abuse patterns
>>97106984Wouldn't mind some more detachments but we know that won't happen
>>97107057>ignore cover>it happens>it's not fun for you when it do
>>97107057Obvious, only the models in cover should get a save, and only models seen should be targeted and have wounds allocated to them. This is the most intuitive way of doing it.
>>97106971>Belakor didn't get any models.He did but they're all over in the other game. The closest 40k gets is the detachment rules for House Korvax & Disciples of Be'lakor last edition, and the Knight Abominant (available to all houses, not just Korvax) incorporating a corvid motif.
>>97107080Is any anon actually playing the Bela Kor detachment from the Daemon army? It seems neat on paper but I'm guessing it sucks?
How did ADB handle the fact that minor Chaos Gods and DPs are once again a thing?
>>97107070Yeah I don't disagree but you're kinda making it sound a bit worse that the situation really is, at least from my perspective>only the models in cover should get a saveThe unit you cant draw LoS to can't be targeted period and you can only draw LoS towards the core body/headI concur that I don't have an on-hand experience playing 5th but I feel like it'd only come up as poignant if you're trying to hide like 20 boys/cadians behind some wallsIt also sounds like the rule was made to arbitrate situations where people would argue about shooting at ruins with windows and measuring which "models seen should be targeted and have wounds allocated to them" sounds kind of fucking ass in that case
>>97107080Those are just generic chaos models painted black
>>97107111Nobody cares.
>>97107101I wanted to but belakor was so fucking strong at the start of the edition that I kinda had to stop myself from playing him altogether. I dont actually know how the aor really plays now though. Varangaurd seems to have been the armies bread and butter before soggy dropped.
>>97107070unit-wide abstractions are unironically better than fiddly per model nonsense.
>>97107139You should go full on abstraction and remove tlos in that case
>>97107139Meh depends. When it comes to targeting it does make sense that only the models that can be seen can be targeted. Same way only he models that can see the enemy cam shoot . But in any case it will always be better that both work the same way and not arbitrarily different like in 10th.
>>97106975Loyalist paint guide for heresy. We'll get heretic paint guide later :^)
>grotmas is gonna be mostly just regular warcom articles like paint guides and short storiesFuck
>>97107161But you get one every day! Merry Grotmas, slopeate- I mean, loyal fan!
>>97107111He is crying and seething and shitting and pissing himself.
>>97107161This is exactly what they said it would be. There's finna be some surprise on the 25th, but that's it
>>971071221. They literally have Be'lakor's face on them2. You didn't even reductively describe them right. Be'lakor's STD scheme is silver, not black.
>>97107161I guess they have already released the ork model (another big red gobbo) so us greenskin bros won't be getting shit
>>97107180Nobody's getting shit this Christmas except Ultramarines
Admech GSC detachment soonAfter getting FUCKED OVER last grotsmas it's surely coming now
>>97107176Nigger those are stock std kits
>>97107176>1. They literally have Be'lakor's face on themThey have generic demon faces, even fluffwise they can wear "be'lakor's face" because it's barely distinguishable from other generic demons, so they can stay undercover and not get outed as anti-archaon traitors
>>97107139>all bolter patterns are simply boltersGood abstraction>your unit has one model out, so I can shoot them allBad abstractionAbstraction should serve the game. But thank god you can play with your own rules with your friends and that's what matters, not whatever me, the internet stranger, says
>>97105488Jobbers to get massacred en mass until the space marines show up and do the real fighting
How come AoS got 2 warhammer quests in a row? Blackstone Fortress had some great reveals in it, like truescale marines, traitor guardsmen and beastmen.
>>97107194They are all explicitly Be'lakor's boys though. I'm so confused by this argument. Even the store pages say it:>Chaos Legionnaires are elite, well-armed, and highly disciplined – yet though they march alongside the armies of the Dark Gods, these warbands have a shadowy agenda of their own. Sworn to the First Prince, the Legionnaires uphold a secret religion known as the Dark Creed, and strive with each victory to sow confusion, reap dissent, and bring their Dark Master closer to his insidious ascension.>This multipart plastic kit build[sic] one Centaurion Marshal, a massive eight-limbed warrior armed with an array of weapons. Rearing up on his hind legs, tail and top-knot swaying behind him, this model makes an eye-catching addition to any Chaos collection – and the gladiatorial style of his armour fits perfectly with the other denizens of Archaon's fighting pits, such as the Chaos Legionnaires who share his worship of Be'lakor.>This multipart plastic kit builds Eternus, Blade of the First Prince – the immortal enforcer of Be'lakor's will. This imposing champion of the Dark Master is mounted atop his rearing daemonic mount, the mighty Drakocephalus, and wields both a rune-marked deathglaive and a gruesome skull flail. His ornate armour is adorned with leering daemonic faces befitting the First Prince's chosen agent, while four pennants hang at his back in a mockery of knightly glory, fluttering in the foul wind of the Cursed Skies.
>>97107205Because blackstone fortress flopped, and because 40k is getting spess hulk instead.
>>97107122Is it me or are they just generic models?What's going on with AoS?
>>97107200Without the average guy, nothing is special
At this rate bait's going to evolve into "Khorne Berzerkers aren't WE models they're just CSM painted red"
>>97107209Flopped? There's been a constant supply of the cut up sprues on the second hand market for half a decade
>>97107023I'm sorry anon, which part did you struggle with?
>>97107217Think about what you said
I have to admit, the general is way more healthy than it was before le chon was down for 2 weeks. Is it simply because of the state of the current edition? (Nothing interesting in a year)
>>97107221Not him but>Similarly there's other descriptions like a pair of goggles claiming it's not real metal, it's plastic, made to look metal for consumers, because y'know 40K is about consumerism and planned obsolesence.does not really follow as a logical statement. There's no through line in how "these goggles are plastic and not metal" relates to 40k models and planned obsolescence as a meta statement.
>>97107230>the general is way more healthyYou weren't here yesterday, I take it
>>97107205all hype for bsf went down the drain the moment they showed their hand about it not being about alien encounters but yet more chaos shitters
>>97107231NTA ESL here. What do you mean by "through line"
>>97107232That's correct. But I see no throoder and we're almost at 600 posts
>>97107225There's always someone bidding on them
>>97107241The throoder changed type of shitposts, now it's coom pictures and trying to cause the lolcow to kill himself for his politics
>>97107240It essentially means "a connection between things", a 'line' that goes from one thing to the next and the next. So in that context he's saying there is no connection between someone saying "goggles are plastic" and 40k being about obsolescence
>>97107240It means something that connects a series of ideas to make them coherent
>>97107211Team Be'lakor has two named hero models (himself included) and got another two kits released through Warcry. There's a whole thing going on where he and Archaon are bickering.
>>97107231I'll try to reword it then.>goggle item>desc: it's not actually metal, it's just plated, it's fakeThat's something I'd expect in a game about modern day satire, where everything is made from everyone's favourite material - plastic.In 40K however everything is the genuine article, from saints bones, to artefact weapons to augments. So when you see a lasgun, you're looking at a weapon that's probably seen a century of service, and your grandson is going to die before it does.I don't like that.
>>97107318Never got the appeal of the vostroyans. Is it the hats?
>>97107318Plasteel and synthwood are things, albeit
>>97107314no I meant that the satyr horned greeks on the left don't look like warhammerThey look like generic fantasy
>>97107328It something you won't find anywhere else. It's peak 40k. Derivative of IRL stuff, but enough grimdark to become completely unique.
>>97107328Fancy hats, cool gasmasks and ornate uniforms.
>>97106571So legends is fully legal for normal games, it's only if you're playing the tournament pack that you've got issues. If I were to make an mtg comparison. This would be like if your ranked mtg tournaments ran their own banlist. You can still play friendlies at your lgs and most people aren't running the tournament packs in their games unless they're practicing for a tournament
>>97107318>>97107356Unlike other guard regiments who embrace the post WW1 drab/camo military uniforms vostroyans embrace the last period where colourful and ornate uniforms were a thing.
>>97107365>most people aren't running the tournament packs in their games unless they're practicing for a tournamentMy experience is that most people do because they are convenient, they tell you how to set up terrain and they are supposedly "balanced". It takes a while for people to understand that you don't NEED to play like that.
>>97107339I think they're identifiable as part of the StD range. The ornamental horns, the leering daemon faces, and the ubiquitous use of trim on the armor with arrow shapes and eight-pointed stars are common motifs recurring across most of the whole army.
>>97107366Mordians, Pretoreans, Attilans all beg to differ. Vostroyans were simply made during the middlehammer golden age, and thus have the perfect amount of soul (and details). See the Inqusitorial Stormtroopers for another example.
>>97107328Yeah. That's pretty much how you pick every non-cadian guard model, you look at their hats or in the case of catachans their lack of.>>97107329>there's plastic metal and uhhhh yeahYou do realise my point is the cosmetic item being described as false due to a conniving manufacturer is at odds with the setting where meticulous work is done on every last material such that it has acquilas, skulls and doesn't waste anything?Why would a scam artist coat their clothes in metal leaf in a setting where there is only war?Do you disagree with what I'm saying?
Just how useless are allied knights in imperial lists? Almost no tournament lists use them, but why? Is them not benefiting from army rules that bad? Are they just overcosted?
>>97107373Maybe I've just been lucky. The 5-6 lgs I've played at in about a decade have all been pretty outwardly against being "sweaty" to the point of a few of them having things becoming a problem when long time players have something they previously owned become meta. Legends are seen as pretty cool here now, but when they were a lot stronger it wasn't nearly as accepted
>>97107396Overcosted because GW doesn’t know how to balance their points. Case in point, you used to see them everywhere prior to current balance slates because they were undercoated.
>>97107396It's an awful lot of points to not have interact with any of your list
>>97107396>>97107408More like overcosted because they are costed as if they had all their faction rules but they don't as allies.
>>97107392I'm simply pointing out that plastics and synthetic materials are a thing in 40k. Making a point out of the glasses being made out of our modern day flimsy shit is stupid, yes, and it's a prime example of millenial writing, which doesn't surprise me as Fatshark is composed of a bunch of millenial Swedes. There's an established piece of lore where most people on necromunda believe that gold should have a green tint, so these kind of scam artists absolutely exist.
bring back bfg
Balance Data Slate next week? It's every 13 weeks now, right?
>>97107429They've given up. Nobody cares
>>97107122No. Chaos Legionairs are specifically Legion of the First Prince (Belakor) soldiers.Generic is Chaos Warrior
>>97107428can't, the specialist studio is not allowed to use the proper 40k ip anymoreit would have to be a horus heresy game
>>97107328They're one big family
>>97107441Why did you make this up in your head and then say it like its true
>>97107437Looks gay.
>>97107437
>>97107448It seems like he's onto something, tbf
>>97107441>it would have to be a horus heresy gameWhat would be the point? Both sides used the exact same navy.
>>97107456Sounds like GW only needs to make one set of sprues. Genius!
>>97107455Necromunda is still 40k.
Given valrak was completely wrong about the recent reveal thing, I take it Total War 40k is not happening tomorrow?
>>97107448Because it is the truth.It's why they weren't allowed to move towards a resurgence of epic40k and had to scrap the various other factions' flyers and make legions imperialis instead.The main studio holds 40k and aos, the specialist studio has HH, tow, blood bowl and necromunda, which are both treated as separate IPs as well.
>>97107421Right, so, we're arguing over semantics but agree.I guess that's okay then.have a nice evening anon. I hope we won't argue again.
>>97107471>which are both treated as separate IPs as well.Except necromunda has rules for a bunch of 40k miniatures.
>>97107462Or they can do the same thing they did the first time and start with the imperial navy vs chaos and expand slowly?
>>97107470Hell no, not even CA is dumb enough to try doing that. Plus we already have DoW4 coming next year.
>>97107481Genestealer and Helot Cult rules are basically an afterthought
>>97106905Darktide is one of those games where the character models are too lanky and samey, where the outfits are too loose, belts too low or boots too high.It reminds me of that insurgency game and its sequel where everyone looks like a cosplayer/airsofter.Except ogryns, ogryns look alright.TL;DR I hate games with shitty art direction, "realistic" texture doesn't make your visuals good nor interesting, especially if you neglect silouhettes and shapes.
>>97107481And 40k still has rules for some forge world stuff, but the divide is getting stricter by the year and will soon be absolute.
>>97107469Necromunda is a one way street where all 40k stuff sooner or later gets converted by hobbyist into Necromunda models, but no Necromunda models get used in another game.
>>97107502>>97107496Still nothing about that means they are treated as separate settings.
>>97107512I’ll randomly throw Necromunda models into my army as Rogue Enforcers or Heralds.
>>97106372The amount of white space on the data sheets is fucking tragic, just looking back at old codexes they were fucking gold.
>>97107512They never have outside of a vague mention of being useful conversion fodder for IG. And they still are.
>>97107512I'm working on some necro models to use in 40k rn
>>97107525New datasheets are so inefficient.
>>97107541I remember when you got a chunk of these for multiple books in the back of the rulebook
>>97107512I run necro stuff in my GSC army. Granted as kitbashed models
>>9710754610th kiddies can't understand that actual simple rules means you can fit everything you need in those reference cards instead of needing two dozen datasheets.
>>97107556Don’t make me remember anon, armour facings my beloved
>>97107497>It reminds me of that insurgency game and its sequel where everyone looks like a cosplayer/airsofter.when running around the lobby in darktide I just think I'm playing some fantasy MMOthe mocap on the run animation is gay, like when a voice actor doesn't want to wake up his parents but in this case the actor doesn't have room to move
>Tomorrow on the Grotmas Calendar, we’ve got something spooky in store…
>>97107525>fearlessThats a word i haven't heard in a while. Weren't all marines fearless at some point?
>>97107556Honestly I don't think it's the rules per se (although they certainly make things worse). It's more of a generational change from hobbying and messing around with your toy soldiers to sweaty cybersporty type of game.It's the starcraftification of every comeptitive game. Computer or board.
>>97107571Don't think so. They rallied automatically but they weren't fearless.
>>97107556Tbf the weapon skill chart wasnt the best. I dont miss not being able to shoot heavy weapons after moving, and the weird rapid fire shit
>>97107570I just don’t care, grotmas last year was so amazing it’s just trash this year
>>97107396Ive used them with my Marines and they are loads of fun but yea very costly and when they pop one too quickly its over.
>>97107570>spooky>they announce that primaris aren't getting a refresh and some units are being squatted insteadThats spooky enough right?
>>97107570Between the tumblr choices and the anime loveheart hair, this kind of art style is indescribable but you know it when you see it
>>97107570They're announcing Nagash for Total War: Warhammer 3. Nothing to do with 40k.
>>97107606Looks Franco-Belgian to me
>>97107576It is a rules thing. In simple terms, after 8th the design paradigm went from having a robust set of core rules that handled most interactions mainly through statlines with a few exceptions (most of them covered by USRs) to a design paradigm based around having anemic core rules that handle the bare minimim and most interactions being handled by exceptions found in datasheets, forcing you to constantly reference those datasheets.>>97107583I think firing snapshots was the ideal solution to that. I do like having a tradeoff for heavy weapons.
>>97107556Even the abulte mess that was 7th (remember the edition that try to fix the mess that 5th and 6th brought to the game) you could fit the entire rules, including meme things like "death from the skies", the entire pre game sequence, (objetives, missions, deployment), unit types and universal special rules in 8 pages.
>>97107618One would hope the French aren't the death of culture in art.They're supposed to like this sort of thing
>>97107606Hades 2 is pretty goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZqyPhatEpg
Holy shit, I just realized FW has been squatted
>>97107668Oh? I thought it was offensive
>>97107606It's the females. They look vaguely male 90% of the time.
>>97107675No it hasn't. All the datasheets are in the faction packs now. I thought the same thing
>>97107700No, like, the entity of FW has been squatted. It is no more.
Is there any chance that 11e will unsquat a bunch of units that were squatted in this edition? Ork bros copped it pretty hard desu
>>97107683It's not vitiligo, it's the unburnt parts of her skin. I didn't even notice it until you mentioned it.
>>97106571>eternal format as modern in mtgYou've got to be a time traveller from 2016
>>97107716That was years ago
>>97107719Hahahahhaahhahahahahaah
>>97107719No. GW's going hard on the "not in a box, not in a book" rule. Hell, they're even squatting Killteams after 2 years. They don't want you to keep your old guys. And if they rerelease rules, they sure as hell won't have the same load outs
>>97107721Funny how it looks like vitiligo and some people have a fetish for it in female oriented mediaI don't personally play things made for girls
>>97107732Please anon, we've suffered enough (all factions that aren't marines)>>97107741How can they sleep at night knowing that they have ruined many armies that have had years of effort poured into them
>>97107742I never followed this game escept to jerk it to the art.
>>97107716That was ages ago anon. They got turned into the specialist games studio, now they work on bloodbowl, necromunda, and mesbg. I think they also do whq but I think they likely get fed a handful of sculpts for quest that need to be included like the Blackstone fortress csm to add to them
>>97107758>How can they sleep at night knowing that they have ruined many armies that have had years of effort poured into themBy swiming in money made by primaris to newfags that would have bought anything regardless, I guess.
>>97107761Hopefully not Poseidon
>>97107719Nope, GW are cutting everything that specifically doesn't have a plastic model, even finecast/forgeworld are on the chopping block.Guard lost a shit tonne of units that were in the index
Is this /hades/ or /40kg/
>>97107805It's /troon/
>>97107773>you know these awesome tank models that have been available since Siege of Vraks? Yeah, all of them, we're gonna make the in plastic. But here's the thing, we'll remove all of the rule support from 40k! Fuck you guys and fuck you guys again! You won't be able to play with your old models and you can't play with the new ones! It's baffling
11e is going to make flyers great again
>>97107815>new leman russ kit:D>No sponsonsD:
>Pay attention brothers, in this abandoned area, forgotten by God, are the Tau girls.
>>97107828I didn't build my Alpha Patterns with sponsons anyways.
>>97107830There were times when both Tau AND Eldar girls got posted... now we're deep in the elf times, and bouncing blueberry boobies are a thing of the past...
>>97107830My trash take is there should have been rules for artificial astartes auxiliaries
>>97107815The fact that GW doesn't want people to double dip into 30k is odd. Especially since there has been rule support for a lot of the 30k stuff in 40k already
>>97107815I wonder the same thing with Necromunda.Things like the Ambot would work great for Genestealer Cult.Genestealer cult already have a gang in necromunda and malstrain genestealer are their own thing too. While everyone can use GSC vehicles for their gang.But GW simply refuses to give rules for the Ambot, is not like the Ambull that has legend rules at least, you know a model that only sold onces for a boardgame and now no one can get.Baffling indeed.
>>97107841>>97107850This is why the GW civil war conspiracy theory is a thing
>>97107823Honestly I think they should just make them work like in 3rd or 30k. Have them do strafing runs so they are useful but limited so they aren't OP. Put a limit of 1 flyer per army or something like they used to do with lords of war for the other superheavies.
>>97107833>the leman russ in 40k must now always have sponsons
>>97107823>>97107866Stop calling Aircraft "flyers" you fucking retards
>>97107872Not all flyers are aircrafts
>>97107872I'll keep calling them flyers like I'll call melee assaults because that's how they were called for decades.
>>97107873"Flyers" don't have a problem and don't need to be made great. Fly is a great rule. Aircraft is the problem.
>>97103825They literally did that already with calgar and vetrix honor guard no?
>>97107867No, you can still take it without sponsons, although you still "pay" for them as the shitty points system is Power Levels in all but name
>>97103825I would be happy because for every space marine model that comes out, a X*nos tranny isn't getting a model and I'll continue playing with old marines.
>>97107872But thats what they do, they fly anon
>>97107893Anon, those Primaris models are paying for the xeno palyer's range refresh. We all know this is how it works. The only "people" that are whining are Eldar faggots, like usual
>>97107882Nid dragons are flyers, are not aircraft, and also suck
what happened to the new necron hero that was in pre-order? I don't see it in either new releases or on the preorders pages anymore. It was out of stock online, but it was appearing.
>>97107893Getting my new OLED Deck today, can’t wait to play SM2 on the handheld!
Im on estrogen and I only played the W40k games. The tabletop looks so complicated
>>97107934Same
>>97107954<3
>>97107903>Nid dragons are flyers, are not aircraftWrong
>>97107920>different tripcodeNot him.
Where's the throoder when you need him?
>>97107934>>97107954I suggest playing a game or two just using the data sheets for the units to practice all the moving, shooting, charging and attacking. The start incorporating stratagems and army rules slowly. Its actually pretty easy, you guys will pick it up in no time.
>>97107984Not page 8 yet
>>97107984Can we have 40kg smooching elf boys edition
>>97107934I was on thyroids last year I hope you get better.
Apparently, there was no Orktober this year. Isn't it odd that GW keeps inventing new Hollidays just to ditch them a year later?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJUPkO-BBQWhite Scar bros????? Why is nobody buying our minis?????
>>97107993No. Elf ladies only.
>>97108017Primaris bikers suck. No special weapons, no melee weapons, no heavy weapons. Just a retarded looking kart with a multimelta in an edition where meltas have shit rules.
>>97107903
>>97108017Seeing that Astra militarum combat patrol makes me want to cry
>>97108040:(
>>97108094Elf boys belong in Sororitas shrines.
>>97108101:)
>>97107993This please
>>97108079These guys be having a glow up doe
>>97107993im trying to find eldar kissing pics
>>97103919
>>97108063I like them with a chaplain on bike.Devastating wounds on everyone's bolters an pistols are neat. I run 6 outriders and a bike chaplain, so those devastating wounds hurts a lot.And the +1 to wound in melee with chainswords are nice.Obviously without the chaplain they kinda suck, imo
What is the collage for this month?
>>97108206Terrains or something chrismasy or snowy
>>97108206Holiday and/or terrain. It's a dual theme. Can do either or both. It's an easy one if you look at doing small scatter
>>97108172All the ones I can find are of eldar boys getting their prostate kissed by wieners amd aren't /tg/ friendly
>>97108079Those models are greatThree contrasts and a metal of your choice and you've got the horde done
>>97108188Utterly unplayable. Completely unfair for one side. Wouldnt waste my time playing on this garbage table.
>>97108101>Elf boys belong in Sororitas shrines.Someone send an arbites squad and arrest those pervert sisters.
>>97108242It's almost as they where made for a wargame...
>>97108244What side?
>500 worldsWhat's the verdict? The space hulk stuff last edition looked really cool, but I never met anyone who's played it. Honestly, I have no idea what it's gonna be. It just feels lackluster. A book. Some new units nobody asked about. Have we been waiting half a year for this?
>>97108255>What's the verdict?How the fuck we'd know they haven't shown shit about it?
>>97108242Contrasts didn't exist yet
I'm planning out a death guard conversion, is a scythe too much or should I go for it?
>>97108285Nah go for it
>>97108276They do now
>>97108285A schyte? How original
>>97106878>The only big example was the ork nobz on bike.Grey Knight Paladins were the other infamous example, on top of all the other absolute nonsense their codex could do.
>>97108304Looking back, GKs really were the beginning of the end
>>97108172
>>97108287And they would look awful on old sculpts
>>97108255>The space hulk stuff last edition looked really cool, but I never met anyone who's played itI'm trying to get the lads into playing it but I suppose the real reason as to why it's not popular is it requires a very specific terrain layout. GW's own offering is the Boarding Action terrain that is Gallowdark Kill Team x2 for a whopping 200 europoors, people aren't into painting terrain as well from what I can over my brief experience with 40k.
>>97108319
>>97108315It was 5th in general, because if you look at the Daemon hunter codex, grey knights still only had 1 wound.You can tell 5th was not made by the guys in charge of 3rd/4th. Since the restrain is not there.
>>97108341He's not wrong.Contrast looks bad even on newer models as well.
>>97108356Well okay, how do you prefer to paint models?Dark base followed by layers? Primer is your base? No nuln oil?
>>97108341It's true, they're too flat and plain to benefit from contrasts>>97108356Based retard
>>97107668You're trans
>>97108355IIRC only the Paladins had multiple wounds, everyone else including the normal terminators still only had one like every other regular Space Marine. Also I find it bizarre that Matt Ward produced so many absolutely broken bullshit books while also being responsible for the 5e Space Marine codex that's generally regarded as one of the better balanced books in the entire history of the game. Can only assume that as it was the flagship army he had stricter oversight from above or something.
>play 40k>have buddy>he expresses interest Oh man I'm about to bully this nerd
>>97108390from someone who used to run an intro league, a bit of advice. let him win a bit in the beginning. try not to make it super obvious, but if you can, try not to just stomp his face in. nothing turns a potential new player off of the game more than constant consecutive losses
>>97108413Lmao fuck that.
>>97108418This. It's a doggy dog world. Bitch better learn how things work. Loser bottoms
>>97108418For his sake I hope he wont stay your buddy for long.
>>97108413You talk like you haven't shared a hobby with a close friend or brother.
>>97108413Unironically this. There are a lot of people out there who just give up on something if they fail multiple times at it from the start. It’s a pathetic thing to see but that’s a part of human nature since this personality trait is sort of common
>>97108418Even rats know to lose on purpose so others don't lose interest.
>>97108508This fucking sucks
Me? Straight 10 losing streak vs my friends brother (who's also my friend). How I cope? It's called Drukhammer and you do it in your friend's basement. He feels the joy of victory, I feel the joy of alcohol
>>97108508An insult to the source material.
>>97108531That's not the source material. It's a glib fascismile of the original
>>97108541You're a glib facsimile.
>>97108531THIS PEAR
I want to try and brainstorm a fan codex for Warhammer 40K based on the Splicers from Palladium Games. Does /tg/ still do that kind of cool shit, or no?
>>97108561unfortunately /tg/ (and most of 40gay now...) hates homebrew with a burning passion
>>97108579Think of it, I haven't seen anyone play a homebrew chapter in years (irl). How come that part of the hobby died out?
>>97108079God the old guardsmen looked so much better
>>97108579Nice try /v/ermin
>>97108590It didn't, you don't play this game
>>97108603It's completely dead, though. People play chapters from the HH books nowadays. Founding Legions didn't use to mean shit. Nobody cared about Salamanders or Fisters.
>>97108621(you)
>>97108595go fuck yourself some more slopper
>>97108656Not your bogeymanGo back shitstirrer
Thread is dead. Ain't nothing else to do but shitpost until we get a new one cuz people be hoarding they posts
>>97108666ok satanhow about this? show off YOUR homebrew rules and models to prove me wrong?
>>97108683>>97108683>>97108683
>>97108681I don't give my models out to shitpostersYou can kick and scream all you want, post yours with timestamp if you want mine
>>97108686concession accepted
>>97104015>primaris minis being phased out>look inside>replaced with primaris
>>97104438>What's the coolest army?No matter what people say, it's space marines.
>>97107840Why did they have to pick my chapter for this shit :(
