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2025 in review Edition

>Previously in the Mortal Realms:
>>97110873

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

https://sigdex.io/

>Thread question:
Now that the dust has (almost) settled, what were your favourite and least favourite miniature releases of the year?
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>>97117900
>favourite
The deathbringer or the mounted wight lord/king. Ashen elder is also really good.
>least favourite
Aesthetically, the khorne mortal warband. Emotionally, the idoneth stuff. They're not bad models, but c'mon.
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>>97117900
I only liked vhordrai,grave guard and black knights, normal skeletons are still too armored.
Didn't really care about the other releases this year.
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>>97117900
Least favorite has to be the chorf range. I really liked the aesthetic of old chorfs, but forge world had a very specific style for fantasy releases at that time. It was a very brutalistic style and I loved it their big monsters. New chorfs look ovall worse.

Favorite might be Droggz, Dark water, or BoK deathbringer. Zombie dragon is good but personally I rarely consider the biggest centerpieces as my favorites
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>>97117900
>favorite
Might be the bull bot.
>least favorite
Gotta be one of the Gitmob ones.
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I hope 2026 will be the year spidergrots get some well deserved love
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>>97117922
I'm not sure what I'd call this aesthetic but I wouldn't say it's brutalist.
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The good old days.
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>>97117962
This shit is so ugly man, I never liked that graininess forgeworld shit had
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>>97117953
Fuck you buy wolves
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>>97117962
Those are particularly poorly painted. Maybe brutalism isn't the right word but this mini looks pretty brutal to me.
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>>97117974
NOOOO YOU CANT MAKE ME GW
got 3 fucking wolves because I bought the gitz and goliaths since I missed out on the UW kits
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>>97117982
paintjob of this level would make a literal turd look good thoughbeit
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>>97117981
gotta give knotley credit for sticking with his gimmick, even if it looks awful 90% of the time
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>TQ
took me a minute to warm up on it but the deathbringer is cool. I overall liked the helsmith asthetic and direction, and the khadrons were cool as well.
>the least
Its gotta go to the vampire endless spells. Those things are fuck ugly, I also hated the terrain but that shit is fuck huge and kinda makes me ween on them, but the worst has to be the humiliation ritual orruks got. At least they're easy to make yourself.
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>>97117900
The bright side is that it can’t get much worse in 2026 in terms of how many flops we get
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>>97117981
I swear the AoS team deliberates sabotages kits with "it needs something particularly unique!"
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>>97117900
Some of those are from last year!
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>>97118112
The eye covering is like the 1 cool thing about them. They just look like old people
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>>97118118
I think the blets and shields help give them some personality too.
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>>97118112
>it needs something particularly unique!
it's aos, not fantasy, of course it needs to be proprietary and branded
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anyone have the gloomspite battletomes? Whichever ones give the most info on the badmoon please.
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>>97118034
I suppose. I think it's good having a guy out there who has this shtick. He basically does a bunch of paint scheme tests for other people to take note of.
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>>97118153
>samefagging your stale bait
truly pathetic
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>>97118216
legitimate cope
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>>97118034
>>97118203
... Are they notes on what not to do? Like the idea of tryibg really fast colour combibations to see what they look like painted is great but these fuckers who do these always seem to just pick the absolute worst colour combinations Ive ever seen, Ive never seen a single one of these contrast multi colour slop combinations ever look good.

Like how do they pick the colours so badly? Surely even if you just randomly selected them without looking youd eventually accidentally make something that looks good
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Can someone share the slaves to darkness BT pdf please ? I want to try and build a path to glory StD character
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>>97117900
Favourite's tough, it's been a bumper crop of cool shit. Mh... Felgryn. I wanna like the Darkwater Pestigors but that's GW playing on my membaberries.

Least favourite? Discounting scenery Witchblade, who I forgot existed entirely. Counting scenery, Soublight terrain, because I'm certain that shit's just the Garden of Morr.
>>97117982
Literally the only thing wrong with the Shitter is that he has eyes. If it was actually a full-covering helmet instead of a mask with a headdress thing it's be perfect.
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>>97118251
You call it slop but look at these instructions lmao
it takes effort to look so terrible
Oil paint tint slop or the old quickshade dip looks better
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>>97118324
>all that shit for something that looks like 1 layer of contrast
truly impressive
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>>97118324
>That fucking skin recipe
How Knot to Paint, indeed.
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>>97118216
not everyone you don't like is the same person
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Mordikar is going to shit. They just let Morai-Heg worshipers wander around now. Embarrassing.
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>>97118324
Good fucking god. I cant even tell, are these just like incredibly elaborate trolling masterclasses or does someone really go to all that effort to make something so shit and thinks it looks good???
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>>97118375
the episode is out? can anyone share it with a poor, little anon?
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>>97118375
That's an IDK btw
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GW could do me a solid and have a mercenary pestilens RoR so I can play my dream 1e army
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>>97118251
His whole thing is picking unexpected and garish colour schemes. Once in a while one of them will look surprisingly good
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>>97117900
>TQ
Urkhan for me. A very simple mini. but an incredibly cool one. The soulblight zombie dragon gets second place, and the kurnothi underworlds gang in third.
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>>97118462
I legit thought his thing is showing off how various contrasts look on the new stuff
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>>97118391
hobbyslop has even reached painting now where if you're not mixing a three part shade while huffing your own farts you're just a basic bitch to be mocked and ignored even if the paintjobs are literally identical
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>>97117969
The best way I can describe forgeworld stuff is that it all looks like recasts.
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Would some lovely, handsome and smart anon please toss me the Children of Teclis or Abraxia audiobooks? Thank you love you.
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>workupload com/file/MuuugwsggDp
New Talon is Black. But the download is really slow.
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>>97118631
thank you, based anon.
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>>97118631
You're a real one anon! Anyone got links to the other Blacktalon episodes? I've never actually watched it all.
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>>97118661
gofile[DOT]io[SLASH]d[SLASH]k6afEf

here is the previous episodes of season 2. I can upload season 1 as well, but that will take a few minutes more.
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>>97118679
I love you so much anon
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>>97118551
I stopped watching hobby channels a while back. I'll watch an occasional older Vince video if I want to learn something but that's about it. Most hobby sloptubers are nothing more than paid advertisers at this point. Of course they will use a thousand different products because some retard might actually buy all of them.
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I need to see examples of high fantasy terrain.
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>>97117900
>Now that the dust has (almost) settled, what were your favourite and least favourite miniature releases of the year?

Favorite despite not having him, that sick ass Necromancer. I would love to get one, wicked sick kitbash potential. No clue where to get one, but maybe someday!

Worst release, fucking EASILY that Khorne Underworlds Warband. I picked it up for like 10ish bucks on turbo black friday sale while it was clearanced and I have no fucking clue what to do with these fuckers. I'm glad I have it for underworlds but jesus christ the models themselves are so weaksauce.
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Holy fuck, darkwater flopped BAD
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>>97118764
LRL shrine.
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>>97118696
Dont love me, love the anons before us that shared with me. i merely try to archive AoS media.

Here is season 1:
gofile[DOT]io[SLASH]d[SLASH]wJZVgR
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>>97118811
If she infects you, would you see her as the perfect maiden?
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>>97118822
but anon she's already perfect
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>>97118819
Thank yoy anon <3 let's hope these are better than those fucking awful Hammer and Bolter episodes haha
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>>97118811
I hope we get armoured horrors this edition. The "they see bones as sword" stuff isn't true if every new kit has traditional equipment
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>>97118631
If anyone is able to download it, can you share it on gofile?
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>>97118324
the skin looks good but what the fuck is that armor? Lets make it mustard yellow an with pink/purple accents, what psycho thought this was okay?
>blueskynigger
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>>97118846
haha... wouldnt it be funny if i shared them anyways?
/d/mSBFVL
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>>97117900
>favorite
probably the IDK manifestation, tidal wave serpent is bad ass
>least favorite
from this list, Da Sunchompa. The wolf has a great pose, the color scheme is good, the scarf thing with the sun flame effect is cool but it's all ruined by the fat goblin with a stupid looking face. This model would have been a slam dunk with a kruelboy ork on it, but instead it's some fat gobbo
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>>97118889
Protecc
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>>97117969
>>97118584
The feeling you're getting is because you are mere babbies who have never been around models that were sculpted by hand instead of digitally.

I, too, prefer the digital era. But you should know what you're actually saying, because you're walking into chokeslams with that uninformed attitude.
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>>97118926
>big internet tough guy has a problem using the word baby.
you're more ironic than a hipster convention
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>>97118926
When you were born GW was already sculpting digitally, faggot
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>>97118954
>>97118958
Two wrongs don't make you bright.
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>>97118954
why do all the idiots write babby instead of baby and preaty/breddy or some other mentally handicapped version of it instead of pretty?
Are they trying to sound cute?
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>>97118970
you could prove us wrong by posting a miniature from that time but we all know you don't actually own any models lmao
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>>97118958
GW started sculpting digitally in the late aughts, with 2010 being a good generic date to peg it to (Island of Blood release year, though it would've of course been sculpted earlier than that).

I know your preference would be to be talking to 15 year olds boys on the anonymous forum, but do you TRULY believe anyone in here was born after 2010?
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>>97118990
I'd prefer if TWW secondaries that never played a game of tabletop warhammer in their lives stopped coming here to larp as grogs
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If arkhan is supposed to get a new model, I wonder what that means for the other Mortarchs.
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>>97118584
What did you mean by that? Do you think silicone melts plastic before capturing it's detail or something?
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>>97119000
Is this really the only angle of attack you have? Aren't you self-conscious about the weakness?
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>>97119015
trying too hard
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>>97119008
NTA but I understood that to mean how the forgeworld kits look like they were done in someone's kitchen.
Actual recasters seem to have better quality most of the time. You could be mistaken for thinking recasters take their job more seriously.
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>next week is all 40k detachments
Goddammit. Also
>Next week, the quarterly balance update for Warhammer 40,000 will be landing on our doorstep, and we had six new Detachments to share along with it.
It'd be pretty cool if we got six new AoRs when we get a new battlescroll. Just saying. At least in terms of word count most 40k detachments are individually more rules heavy than any AoR.
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>>97118926
This ain’t the chokeslam you think it is, big dog. I’d advise against talking like an internet tough guy, too. I can’t help but imagine you in a poorly-fitting, grease-stained, flame-patterned button up. The Green Knight was sculpted by hand by a dude with a broken hand using his off hand and it’s doesn’t have that recast look like everything forgeworld does. Hell, most of GW’s old catalog doesn’t have that look. Forgeworld tried to sculpt high, digital level detail by hand and it looks like butt. That’s all there is to it.
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>>97119018
- cope and seethe
- trying too hard
- nogames
- nomodels
- brown/jew/polish
- do not redeem saar
- disingenuous
- i accept your concession
- ACK

What are you going to do now that all your moves are taken? Go twist the arms off of your 480 points of half-primed Sylvaneth?
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>>97119057
see >>97119018
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>>97117981
The influencer shit bores me to tears, okayish paintjobs, basic bitch assembly with no attempts at kitbashing or anything actually interesting.

Also a waste of a good article ''slot'', warcom the lazy turds need to do their own work rather than uploading pics from their ''influencers'' that you could see on their instagram profiles.

Shame about darkwater, the nurgle side was good but the heroes are hit and miss.
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>>97119008
Basically this>>97119031, yeah. Even knowing they’re completely legitimate models on the webpage, the quality of the sculpt used even for promotional material gives off the vibe of third party counts-as models of low quality or just flat out recasts.
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>>97119071
darkwater price point was just too high. it was priced to gouge all the maggotkin and deathguard players they knew were going to try to get a hold of the nurgle models, essentially its priced to scalp so the price doesnt make sense for an individual purchaser, but for someone who's going to split up box contents at a 40% markup it makes more sense.

just sad, but this is what modern GW has become. they cant even put out a good board game that doesnt cost as much as a mortgage payment
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>>97119031
More vague jabber from unserious fucks who don't know what they're talking about and lack the vocabulary to describe what they even think.

I will give the one anon a bitcoin if he can circle a single centimetre's worth of detail that looks like "graininess" in the picture he said that about. Not the paint.

And you, you're talking about the widely-accepted low quality of forgeworld casting without seeming to understand that it has nothing to do with the product pictures you've seen for their models. Those pictures use flawless casts. There is nothing wrong with their finishes, they are working as intended. When people lamented the low quality of FW products they were talking about bubbles and flash and poor QC. THOSE are the quality issues that the recasters do better with than FW.
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>>97119088
I was gonna pick it up but honestly there's other stuff for less that I could get instead. It's not like it's gonna disappear off the face of the earth either, I'll nab it when it's available second hand slightly cheaper. Did the same shit with cursed city!
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>>97119100
>When people lamented the low quality of FW products they were talking about bubbles and flash and poor QC
Hastily demolded parts that warped & no longer fit each other was another big reoccurring QC gaffe
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>>97117982
yeah brutal =/= brutalism, learn the meaning of words that you use
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>>97119081
Using recast as a synonym for low quality is some reddit style shilling
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>>97119104
This. At the price point Darkwater has you naturally start looking at what else you could get for that money and it just looks even less attractive.

I might still get it eventually, maybe, but it's moved firmly outside of my hype window, especially since I don't play or care about Nurgle at all.
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>>97119100
glad we have a serious fuck like you here to keep us right.. thank you tough guy.
Doesn't change the fact that those models look like shit. The dynamic poses somehow still look static, there's no movement because all the parts look like they were done separately.
The bull centaurs further up have such awful poses they look like they broke and were glued back together by a 5 year old. Bottom one looks like he fallen over action figure.
But that's the great thing, if you like them you're allowed to like them and only few people will judge you for it.
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>>97119131
ah yes, more tribalism bullshit because you don't have a point. I suppose it's just "more vague jabber".
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>>97119100
post a single painted forgeworld model you own or fuck off with your pathetic larping, faggot
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>>97119148
Nah, it's the same price as other offerings. Descent is more expensive for less, Gloomhaven cheaper for more, but they're all £100+ games.
Kickstarter ruined board games. Cursed City was like 100, Darkwater is 130-150
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>>97119184
Recasts can accurately replicate models, that's how moulds work? That's how plastic injection moulding works.
You are using recast as a synonym for lower quality because "it's not official".
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>>97119184
why did the "reddit bad" shit get so common on here recently? A year or two ago you'd see it on occasion, but now it's like the general defense for any disagreement. You're reddit, you don't fit in here, when especially on places like /wip/ plenty of people have always posted on both and a large number left /tg/ for reddit and haven't come back.
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>>97119212
yeah it's really sad I love reddit and this place would be better if it was less toxic
flop flop flop I hate darkwater even though I haven't played it! this place is a cesspool of negativity I would consider accusations of using reddit as a badge of honour
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>>97119131
I’ve had access to the best recaster in the business and I’ve seen some egregious shit from others. Even CDR had his quality issues but he actually bothered to address some of the issues in forgeworld sculpting and overall his stuff was still good. One of the cases I remember was when he still operated as Wardream; one of the HH vehicles having super thin walls or treads that were prone to warping even from GW/FW direct, so in his mold he reinforced it.
This shit was so ass they had to resculpt his face and give him a new paintjob.
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>>97119236
what do you expect with illegal products? buy from gw if you want high quality and shop at the black market if you want recast quality with no customer support and no support for your favourite hobby
also please don't name them in case others look them up thanks
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>>97119205
you're talking to different people, but regular old recasts aren't the same quality and there are plenty that are shit, non everyone is a SPTKS. Every time you make a recast of anything without access to the master you lose more fidelity. Like with non-lossless compression, i.e. mp3s. Recasters don't have access to the master mould.
Moulds also degrade and there's a reason you get a master that you don't touch so you can make more copies of it before it degrades. FW have the masters and it still looks like shit. If you had half a brain you'd stop trying to argue in bad faith and avoid looking stupid.
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>>97118985
>>97119185
Trying too hard. Post models. You won't.
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>>97119230
>I would consider accusations of using reddit as a badge of honour
hold on there, let's not take this too far
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how do i downvote negative posts
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>>97119257
>doesn't even deny he's a nomodels shitstirrer
lmao
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>>97117900
>Favorite
Bull Centaurs. Best incarnation of the concept, massive improvement over the LoA ones, manages to avoid the problems I have with most HoH models, both builds look great.
>Least
Dominator Engine. I just fucking hate it. I don't like anything about it, and it's worse because I was looking forward to seeing what the chuardin daemon engines would be like most of all.
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>>97119253
None of this has any bearing on the criticism of someone saying "FW look like recasts" as shorthand for "FW's hand-sculpted models had unnattractive design elements"

Webstore-originated photographs of FW do not look like recasts, in any way. There's plenty to dislike about a lot of them, but you have to use your mind and your words to describe what you don't like instead of just saying "they look like recasts" (which is nonsensical).
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>>97119247
No shit.
CDR’s been out of business for a long time. Good luck trying to find a future reincarnation of him. I don’t know why people are still trying to figure out what I meant with the recast comparison. Anon >>97119031 got it right away. All I was saying was that’s the vibe forgeworld stuff gives me.
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>>97119279
You could simply post models to defeat me.
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>>97117981
These just look like shit. At least the good painters made me realise I still think the models look crap even with an experts touch
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>>97119310
>identify yourself to a shitposting secondary
lmao try again, faggot. You make the demand you post yours first :)
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Its not hard to just not respond to someone
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>make offhand comment about not liking forgeworld bull centaurs
>come back couple hours later
>entire thread devolving into shitflinging
Lel my bad guys this one's on me
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>>97119347
Straight DEVILISH
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>>97119339
They don't look good but they aren't meant to, the guy's clear purpose is twofold
>how do they take contrast paints
>how do they look in different colours
that's it, it's not deep, but it's an underrated service
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>>97117953
Game Workshop suffers from arachnophobia, so I don't think so.
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>>97119458
bro they just made a new shelob model
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>>97119458
among all the schizo shit this is one I have to genuinely worry about the most. Then again Gw just shat out a plastic shelob.
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>>97119347
People just gotta not respond to anyone who isn't gonna post anything proving they have skin in the game, I ain't gonna listen to anyone telling me how shitty a car is when they don't have a license or car.
Be sure to tell me how much my home sucks as you sit outside in the snow.
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>>97119347
now that the dust has settled, why did forgeworld flop?
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>>97119491
Resin sucks, and if I'm gonna want a resin model I'll just get the numerous scans and STL's to make my own.
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>>97119475
That's right, he made an incredible model of a Lord of the Rings spider that isn't from his franchise, because if it were, there wouldn't be a new spider model.
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>be me
>Say I like Shar'tor, then go to bed
>people have been arguing about fw aos minis for the last six hours +/- Dark water
>Not a single post about vidya, poland, or dooming how AoS is going to be squatted tomorrow

Honestly, nice work lads.
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>>97119514
Oh, you’re right on time. That was the next item on the agenda.
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>>97117953
>really like bugs and other terrestrial arthropods a lot
>spiderfang have one good model and will never be updated
>nurgle bug rep is usually some ugly gross horned dude with fly wings barely visible on his back or one leg with chitin on it
>sylvaneth bugs are like if someone who didn't like bugs designed bugs
>kruleboyz have a bug subfaction but no models to represent it
>tyranids are dinosaurs
>tomb kings scorpions are actually weird dreadnought construct things
>best bug rep in a warhammer game is in fucking necromunda somehow with ash waste nomads
it's actually so over
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I dunno anything about whether or not darkwater failed. And I don't honestly care. I pre-ordered myself a set so that I can use the nurgle models in my maggotkin army and the heroes in RPG games.
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>>97119491
all shitposting aside I think the main guy behind the whole thing passed away, was pretty sad. He was the one keeping a bunch of shit running.
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>>97119600
Yeah, Alan Bligh. Worse off he had his work locked on a computer no one could access because of his password.
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The difference between LOTR Wood Elves and AoS Wood Elves is fucking wild lmfao
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>>97119624
the newer ones from the hobbit range kinda fit better with the new aos kurnothi armor style if the scale difference doesnt bother you

called mirkwood rangers i think
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>>97118290
Here:
https://gofile.io/d/8bTMwW
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>>97119642
I'm playing MESBG right now and just happened to have the two models next to each other. I've genuinely never realised how much of a difference there is between scales. I knew AoS was bigger by a good bit but GOD DAMN!
(I seriously can't wait for a full Kurnothi release, like a Spearhead or something. I NEED MORE WOOD ELVES!)
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>>97119624
>>97119642
I really wish wood elves took this aesthetic and not adopt whatever patchwork glade guard is supposed to be.
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>>97119667
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>>97119624
We stan our Mirkwood Short King (or Short Prince HA!)
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>>97119663
yeah ive got a box of old lotr stuff from a friend and like, the cavalry fit on 40mm bases, they are quite small. even smaller than some historicals.
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>>97119514
>poland
did I miss something?
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>>97119624
>the difference between not wood elves and wood elves is wild
you dont' say
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>>97119638
speaking of warcry, just bot my start kit box and damn is this thing massive. I think between this and finishing up my army I'm pretty much booked for hobby stuff to do till summer of next year.
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>>97119696
BVILT for BCC (big centaur cock)
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>>97119765
I'll allow it.
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>>97119706
stfu
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How does Death consistently get the best looking models every year
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>>97119802
Such is the power of Nagash
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>>97119642
My favourite models in MESBG.
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>>97119802
>How does Death consistently get the best looking models every year
for their heroes you mean. FeC has some of the worst footsoldiers of any faction.
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>>97119624
MESBG is like 20mm true scale to WHF 25mm heroic scale which is now 32mm in AoS
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Will Darkwater be the first GW major box that goes on 50%+ off fire sale? Looks like it was a flop of legendary magnitude.
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>>97118413
>hair
>feathers
>it's the bald fish dudes
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>>97119624
Prefer the right. I like my elves twinkish and with two legs connected to firm, supple bums. Centaurs can go fuck.
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>>97119867
I'm surprised they're still in business. Nothing but flops this year and on the horizon I can only predict more flops if Maggotkin is anything to go by
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>>97119257
>no u
There it is
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Are the current Blight Kings going to be discontinued?
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>>97119975
Yes, they're going to disappear from the catalogue. At least, until they become available for old world (but who knows when the fuck that'll happen?), or on special occasions or in special kits because GW are jew niggers.
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>>97119458
>>97119475
>>97119476
>>97117953

They're coming for us too. If we get spiders they will look like hecking wholesome cute chungus DreamWorks cartoons or they won't be spiders anymore
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>>97119928
They're propped up by every other game still selling well at the moment
Expect many major Space Marine releases next year, gotta get some triage on that bleeding.
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>>97119994
Well this is an optional thing for people who have a debilitating phobia (as in the actual mental illness sort of phobia, not the meme "I'm so scared haha" idea of a phobia)
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>>97119624
Mesbg is at a different scale to the other gw games and always has been
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>>97118335
Has anyone ever slopped this many paints before ?
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>>97120001
Nah man, /v/ logic anything made for anyone that isn't for THAT individual is stupid gay and lame.

>>97120013
I swear to god half the fucking painting guides out there are shit like this, like to make one skin tone I need to do 5 layers using 16 different colors and glazing and layering.
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>>97120001
Most games with features like this dont even have colorblind mode.
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>>97120037
The response to that is "then they should have both", not "then they should have neither"
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>>97119833
>FeC has some of the worst footsoldiers of any faction.
Crypt ghouls are older than some players at my lgs, they came out in 2006. Obviously they look like shit compared to modern releases
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>>97120043
No, they should have neither, it's a waste of resources for a virtually nonexistent percentage of players, basically burning money for virtue signalling.
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>>97120022
>like to make one skin tone I need to do 5 layers using 16 different colors and glazing and layering.
That's because skin tones are so variable that you might as well make it an interesting part of the model by putting some effort in
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>>97120061
I understand that, but at the same time I'm nowhere near the skill level that a guide like that is gonna be worth anything to me. It's good for people who are super dedicated hobbyists far up on the skill levels, but for some scrub like me I don't really need it since I ain't gonna be getting there.
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>>97120061
>>97120022
Weird to have beef with glazing and layering to get good skin tones, although I agree you only need maybe three or four colors for a display level skin tone.
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god i love AoS models
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>>97120071
That's self limiting as fuck, if you literally mentally price yourself out of being a good painter by looking down on basic painting techniques of course you won't be that good. It would be like saying you cant find a girl but you also consider wiping your ass to be trying too hard.
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>>97120001
>debilitating phobia
My 10 year old cousin used to literally piss his pants and cry and try and hide whenever he saw a dog so my uncle bought him a dog, forced him to keep it in his room and walk it, and now he's a normal teenager. But sure, maybe we should all stop trying to make ourselves more functional as humans and keep coddling those who are going to have a panic attack because they saw a virtual animal with 8 legs
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>>97120100
The real reason we should support colorblind mode and not arachnophobia mode is because men are colorblind and women are arachnophobes
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>>97120071
>I'm nowhere near the skill level that a guide like that is gonna be worth anything to me
Yeah and you'll stay there if you don't try anything that challenges you.
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>>97120096
>>97120116
You know what, fair, you're not wrong, that was probably more negative than I wanted it to sound like. I just PERSONALLY get annoyed trying to find a decent guide for some shit and then basically getting a fucking 13 item shopping list. I'm not saying I won't try new techniques (though I do hate that early phase of learning where you do a shit job, but that's just autism)
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I think Nagash is pretty cool
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>>97120192
You real learning experience you need is to drop the guides. You know how to paint. You know how colours will interact with each other. You know how thick paints behave, and thin paints behave. What does the guide tell you that you don't already know?
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>>97120192
Fair play to you for walking it back. Uhhh, to address your actual point, I think it's best to just take whatever colors theyre suggesting as a guideline. Some of these guys (ones with no financial skin in the paint selling game) just freeball kimera's basic colors and mix up some shit in enough quantity on the wet palette to get a couple sessions in.

Some of these other guys have pretty consistent favorite paints they use. Vince and squidmar both go ape shit for ice yellow and use that in almost everything, for example.

Matching tones every time you paint is a real pain, though, I agree. Definitely annoying if you really just can't get the same thing the guide is doing
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>>97120236
That's what I've done, I just wing it nowadays and mix or do whatever seems like it might work and sometimes wind up with some cool shit.
>>97120242
I'm willing to admit when I make a bad take, because it's a fair point to not just poopoo any technique or ideas for painting. I've learned to just look at guides less as a "this is what you NEED to do" to "this is what you COULD do"
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Hey guys, could someone upload a lighter version of the 500MB Blades of Khorne 4th Edition PDF?
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>>97120281
>500mb T_T
Poorfag can't afford good internet.
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>>97120242
>Vince and squidmar both go ape shit for ice yellow and use that in almost everything, for example.
I mean it’s a very solid technique. I’ve started mixing in other tones of similar brightness to make highlights. One of my recent favorites is Riven Green from the returned P3. Their Carnal Pink also looks great.
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>>97120315
NTA, by the way.
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>>97120236
i dont really agree with this take at all, anon. I agree that you can't neglect physical practice, but I am objectively a little worse at painting than the literal world's best painters. Watching their videos can jumpstart your own progress, some people learn much faster when following an example.

>>97120315
whenever a painter really loves a specific paint i try to hunt down a pot to try. Bugman's glow was another one i was hearing a lot, and I usually avoid citadel paints, but it ended up being a very different (and useful) paint from the vallejo set i started with. It's a pain to get paints from different companies but a lot of the time there's one specific paint that is just chefs kiss
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>>97120349
>It's a pain to get paints from different companies but a lot of the time there's one specific paint that is just chefs kiss
Ain’t that the truth? I can’t find AK or a larger selection of Vallejo stuff anywhere near me. I’ve been using Army Painter’s Ice Yellow and while fantastic, it seems the first run of the new formula has a sort of hydrophobic property which makes keeping it useable really hard, even on the wet palette.
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>>97120303
Downloading isn't the problem; the problem arises when opening it or converting it to JPEG.
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>>97117900
Seeing it laid out like this, there wasn't tooo much aos stuff this year. I guess it makes sense in hindsight, there was a weird drought in general until we got to scourge of ghyran + new edition last year.
>big waves
HoH, soulblight
>medium waves
Shitmob, darkwater
>small waves
Idk, ko
>pity heroes
Orcs, ghosts, ghouls
Might be missing some stuff. Anyway, 2026 is shaping up to be big if the rumours are to be believed, rest of nurgle in january, then CoS and ogres later in the year makes for 3 big releases already. Some miscelleaneous pity heroes and medium releases (eshin) coming up too.
Then dorfs in early 2027, with probably a new edition in the summer (damn that shit moves fast)?
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>>97120608
I still haven't picked up felgryn even though I think he's cool and love my ghouls. I'm waiting for that 2nd wave of FEC still....
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>>97120608
I don’t know how they’ll jam pack 2026 with what the rumors claim if they’ve also got 40k 11e coming in the summer.
Either way next year should be more interesting.
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>>97120486
Get a pdf optimizer then.
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>>97120637
The refresh seems to have done well, helped by really good rules + big oosh being the literal best aos mini ever made (if the fan votes are to be believed). Still wouldn't expect much new stuff intil mid 5th edition at the earliest. Then again CoS are about to get a massive new wave already so never say never.
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>>97120659
I imagine we got some time but it's fine, plus I got more than enough other shit I should be working on in the timeframe.
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>>97120644
I can see something like nurgle in january, CoS around april or may, summer 40k stuff, autumn ogres, with random pity heroes inbetween the bigger releases. Only question mark is when they want to do that rumoured spearhead starter box with eshin and the cos elfhater. Also apparently there's a sketchy rumour going around that tow is going to have a starter box in summer 2026, but competing with 40k seems like a terrible decision. Don't know if the thing is too credible but I've seen it discussed on TGA a bit.
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Bros what the fuck is this, a tactical Lego brick?
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Just finished watcing "Monsters" the Hammer and Bolter animation. I fucking HATE Darkoath and the "we just want to live freely! We aren't cannibals or daemon worshippers! Damn city-folk colonisers!" angle they've taken with them.
I miss the hairy, rippling muscle, deep voiced savage god loving savages we used to have in Warhammer. I can't stand this "we're the misunderstood victims in all this" shite.
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>>97120650
Yes, but no, I'd better wait for a good citizen to upload a lighter version.
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>>97120741
holy mouldline
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>>97120349
>Watching their videos can jumpstart your own progress
Correct. But once you have the foundations down and an understanding of how paint behaves, you are learning nothing. You aren't gaining anymore information after watching a painter apply his 4th glaze coat than you learned from watching him apply his second. I'm a visual learner as well, but there reaches a point where you aren't learning anything and are just trying to put off doing the actual thing by doing "important research!1"
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>>97120829
It's not a mouldline, it's a brick thingy
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>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T WATCH VIDEO DEMONSTRATIONS FOR INSPIRATION YOU HAVE TO APPLY YOURSELF AFTER UNDERSTANDING THE FUNDAMENTALS
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>avoided traffic
>snagged some cheap shit on ebay
>my country got a piss easy draw in the wc
Gotta say my weekend is starting splendidly. How are you guys holding up?
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>>97121088
>How are you guys holding up?
tomorrow morning I have to drive 12 hours straight up and down the mediterranean boot
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>>97121088
What did you snag anon?
Struggling over here, an extended paint break is not recommended, it made me rusty as fuck and its showing, but at least I had fun painting the lil guy
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>>97120908
If that's your takeaway from that then maybe you do need the assistance of tutorials and potentially someone to help you tie your shoes
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>>97121088
Just traded 4 fyreslayer heroes I had sitting around for more slaanesh stuff. Thankfully another local guy is also playing slaanesh so if I wind up with too much excess I can spread it to him.
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>>97121130
Some idk stuff, enough for me to play the old spearhead, should be fun.
Also I don't know what your usual stuff looks like but the squig looks great anon.
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Why does Warcry Bloodhunt seem to be sold relatively cheaper than other Warcry boxes?
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>>97118776
They have a very nice playstyle in UW, no idea in aos.
I think they were initially modeled to have jaws's muscle exposed, but then sanitized by softening the details and painting them like shit. They are at least ok if you paint them as I think they were intended. Don't think you can improve the dog in particular.
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>>97121231
Terrain was redundant compared to other box sets that were sold when Warcry was still getting product support. At least that’s what I remember.
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>>97121154
nice. i personally find a comfortable size for a collection is a varied 4000pts or so. more than that (barring points intensive centerpieces like glutos) can become taxing on storage and display space, but less kinda leaves you inflexible and at the whims of balance patches just randomly scuttling the only list you have enough points to make.

you got a scheme picked out for this army yet?
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I have all the Kurnothi currently released (Skaeth, Heralds, Qulathis) and I plan to pick up Kelthannor at some point. But I can only use two of those Kurnothi units (Wildhunt and Heralds in Underworlds).
I really want the Kurnothi to get a full release, even a Spearhead, so I can make us of these models. They're fucking awesome looking and I really wanna get 'em on the table as proxy heros, squad leaders or whatever.
Kurnothi now GW plz. Or maybe as the 5th edition release faction?
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>>97121313
if you want to get a head start you could convert some of the wild riders for maybe some counts as kurnoth hunters or something?

i've seen some decent centaur conversions with that kit
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>>97118375
Feet status?
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>>97118628
I'll post when I get home in a couple of hours. If you have any other requests type them as well.
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>>97121326
Mediocre, at best. Toenails uncared for. 3/10.
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>>97118776
Necromancer is free if you get a year of Warhammer+, you can then buy the Eldar Spiritseer.
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>>97121345
>""""free"""""

isnt a year of wh+ like $200 for a service where they put out one 4 episode cartoon every six months or some shit?
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>>97121325
Fuck seeing this just makes me want full blown Kurnothi even more. I want an army of Welves (maybe the Satyr-esque infantry from Skaeth's band) darting about the board, skirmishing with the foe while centaur-elves slam into the flanks and tear apart the opponent's schmucks sitting on backfield objectives. Some kind of caster hero allowing units to relocate swiftly around the board or a hero that lets you come in with a unit from any board edge after turn 1 to ambush the enemy, all of this and so much more could be super fun.
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>>97121313
>non-stormcast order starter box faction
Lol
Anyway, don't Skaeth and his buddies have a legends warscroll at the very least? You could use it as a base for homebrewing some stuff, though that requires a regular playgroup.
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>>97121110
Mamma mia!
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>>97121356
It's like 50-60$ and yeah it's not worth it unless you really want the mini. You can however sell both minis for 100$
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>>97121288
I'm still flipping around on ideas for schemes, I deffo want purple and I'm kinda flip flopping on a more "black and white" theme for them. So lots of silvers and blackened metals, black eyes, pale skin, and my fun idea is to have the basing be grass where I'll make a little checkerboard stencil and spray it black and white! I knew purple was guaranteed for these guys now it's just figuring out some nice color schemes that fit.

I figure with what I've gotten via trades and the ebay lot and glutos I should have probably.... 3kish points? Which is my usual happy point where I have extra infantry and cav with lots of bigger dudes to swap out at my convenience.
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>>97121357
>I want an army of Welves
And there it is.
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>>97121189
Nice, got a fun paint scheme in mind? Water bases always look so fun to make especially with the UV resin and waves effects out there
Thanks anon, its mostly related to technique, I ended up not doing the proper layers and I could have made all the colors pop much more if I did, also the black areas of the teeth stand out a little too much
But live and learn and all that
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>>97121359
>Anyway, don't Skaeth and his buddies have a legends warscroll at the very least?
Both the Hunt and Heralds have Legends scrolls and they're interesting enough to make me curious about what an actual army of them would work like.

>>97121382
Suck my fuck bucko.
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>>97121325
Wild rider proportions are weird
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>>97121403
Do they have a nice and thick horse cock or the shitty deer cock with the bone in it
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>>97121434
Men= Deer Cock
Women= Hung Horse Cock
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>>97121374
jojo stands would probably be a good source of ideas for slaanesh schemes
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>>97121390
Yeah when you're good at something it's easy to get lost in all the things you could've done better etc, but trust me, from where I'm standing, that little squiggy looks fantastic.
As for the paint scheme, I'm very new to painting, only done a few test models with friends and stuff. Been wanting to get into the hobby proper for a while now but had a lot of other stuff on my plate until very recently so I left it at lurking here for the past few months
Anyway, finally got some more time, and with the idoneth stuff on the way I should be able to combine it with some stuff I already got as a gift to make the spearhead. I've heard they're tricky for new painters though. I'm torn between two schemes, a sort of ghostly one like I saw someone else do (picrel) and a gold/red one that seems harder but more rewarding. Got time to think it over until my stuff arrives I suppose.
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>>97121517
aw fuck highway star is one of my favorites... I despise painting shapes and checkerboards.... BUT Maybe I'll try doing some diamond patterns and adding a bit of gold to differentiate between the silver.
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>>97121541
And here's an example of red and gold on idoneth, though obviously done on a level beyond what a newcomer would be able to achieve
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>>97121130
I actually think an extended break can be good for your painting long term because it makes you forget a lot of the crutches you used and things you used to avoid. The minis I paint after a long break tend to be where I've made big breakthroughs because I don't have these preconceived notions of difficulty or effort, you just start doing something likes it's normal and then look back at your old stuff and go "why the fuck didn't I just do that before". Brush control definitely suffers but I think it does good for your confidence and willingness to push through something because everything is exciting again
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>>97121564
I usually wind up taking a break when I start painting something and then instantly feel like stripping it. I find that the best work I do is coming back to half finished projects that were sitting around gathering dust and then working on them with higher energy and more creative juices.
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>>97121558
i found an easy way to do checkers is to draw guidelines in first with a soft pencil (like a 4B, or a mechanical if you dont have artist pencils) and then just paint over the pencil. havent had any problems with paint not sticking to the pencil drawn surfaces
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>>97121575
Thankfully I live across the street from an art store, might be worth looking into! I learned my lesson with orks though and probably won't be doing elaborate checkerboards and all this shit on my archers, but deffo can see if on the daemon skin or a few other spots.
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>>97121374
>basing be grass where I'll make a little checkerboard stencil and spray it black and white!
This is very weird, but could be cool. You may have better luck using a stencil to spray down adhesive, put down a white grass, and then go through and paint in glue in the open spaces and do your black grass. I think you'll have a very hard time masking the grass and painting it after it's applied
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>>97121517
okay im gonna be honest....jojos is a lot more slaaneshi than i remember it being lol
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>>97121572
I'm also very bad at starting things and leaving them when I get overwhelmed but have a similar experience coming back to half finished backlog stuff so it never really bothered me to put something down
>>97121558
Seconding mechanical pencil. If you draw things on very gently you can even erase any pencil lines after you've laid your black down
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>>97119624
Lotr is made incompatible with Warhammer on purpose
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Incredible that KO don't have a unit whose job is just to keep everyone plastered.
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>>97121620
>incompatible
Weak.
Skill issue.
Beta.
Cuck.
KYS.
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>>97121541
Appreciated anon
From someone who also hasn't been painting for too long, dont get too overwhelmed with all the info out there just follow some basic technique guides from legends like Vince Venturella and thin thine paints and the rest goes from there also do yourself a favor for the long run and get Vallejo those Citadel pots really are ass
Ghostly Idoneth would be really neat desu, gold is also fine and you can just get some true metallic paints to make it work so you don't have to fear that you need to instantly learn nmm or something
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>>97121633
I use to proxy the Bugmansson model as an aether khemist and flavor the -1 to hit fog as him just getting everyone around drunk but non-KO couldn't handle the alcohol content
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>>97121620
Actually it's coincidental. They wanted to reduce production costs. Nowadays lotr is in scale with normal 25mm games, which is still a little small next to GW proper but it's definitely scale creep
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>>97121667
I've heard gw paints are ass yeah, or rather their pots are. Been thinking of going either vallejo or army painter but haven't made up my mind. Been trying to find reviews and comparisons for both. Apparenty AP used to be ass but they recently got their shit together?
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>>97121732
Pick Vallejo they are much nicer and feel much better to paint with imo
Also they're way more popular for guides and tutorials and the last thing you want to do is constantly cross reference it from painting sheets
I can't speak for them getting their shit together but I did hear whispers here and there that they're less shit now
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>>97121403
The fact nothing about them is the same really bothers me
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>>97121749
>Two different units have different stats and rules
>ME ANGY >:(
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>>97121403
>2/3 Sylvaneth warbands have no Sylvaneth in them
I don't know what the equivalent would even be for another army. Like, maybe if ogors had Hrothgorn's Mantrappers and then another two warbands composed entirely of animate rocks with mouths on them? Shit's bizarre.
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>>97121777
Two Kurnothi centaur.
One has 2 wounds, the other 3.
One has 18" range on his bow, the other 12".
One has a 5+ save, the other 6+.
One can run and shoot/charge, the other gets +1 damage on the charge and piles in 3".
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>>97121732
Also not to rush you but look into a cheap Aliexpress/Temu airbrush for priming, with a little practice it means you can prime your models no matter the weather and it'll look a lot better and save a lot of frustrations imo cause from day 1 I HATE rattlecans and the moment I got a cheap airbrush it changed my life
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>>97121824
>Sylvaneth keyword
>Sylvaneth fluff
>Sylvaneth lamenteri on the models
???
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>>97121732
Some of the gw paints are ass, some are nice. Like every manufacturers there's good colours and bad ones. The new army painter line is really nice though. You definitely want a wet palette for them as they skin very very quickly otherwise, but I find you can fucking blast a model with them with fairly little water, and they do a lot of shrinking as they dry, so you get basecoating done with them super quick. I find they start to break and do weird stuff when you go really really thin like for glazes, but as a layer paint and workhorse I really like them. The pure red is a favorite of mine
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>>97121826
One is 1 centaur, a few satyrelves and a lion...thing (?) while the other is 3 centaur. Why the fuck would their stats or rules be anything alike?
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>>97121824
The Sylvaneth keyword is just a place holder until the full Kurnothi release then they'll be ported over. Don't worry.
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>>97121839
>One is a centaur... while the other is 3 centaur. Why the fuck would their stats or rules be anything alike?
Are you retarded? Give Skaeth +1 wound, save, and a better ranged profile
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>>97121853
>Give Skaeth +1 wound, save, and a better ranged profile
Aye, sure I'll get right on that now boss. Altered pdf will be up by tomorrow.
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>>97121864
I believe you
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>>97121824
CoS has two warbands, but they're both kind of weirdos that stand out a lot from the standard freeguild aesthetic they've got going on now.
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>>97121850
>he doesn't know
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>>97121831
>>Sylvaneth keyword
This sounds like bait but just in case it's not, are you aware that factionwide keywords are a thing? Like how gryph-hounds are keyworded Stormcast Eternals.
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>>97117900
Soon
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Daughters of Khaine
Scáthcoven
General's Handbook 2024-25
Drops: 1
Spell Lore - Lore of Shadows
Manifestation Lore - Manifestations of Khaine

Regiment 1
Bloodwrack Medusa (150)
Blood Sisters (280)
• Reinforced
Blood Sisters (140)
Blood Stalkers (260)
• Reinforced
Khinerai Heartrenders (100)


Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
App: 1.22.0 | Data: 363


Going to use this in a 1k event.
Thoughts?

930 points
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>>97122003
yes, exactly
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>>97122003
>what gives, this Stormcast Eternals kit doesn't have any Stormcast in it...
>must be a sign of the upcoming Gryph-hounds of Glorbulon faction
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>>97122036
I can't help you sorry but where's the aart from, big fucking axes look surprisingly good and elves
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>>97122036
Why won't you swap medusa for a shrine? You have room for it
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>>97122036
Pretty sure daughters are pretty fragile at 1k
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>>97122036
70 points down in 1k kinda sucks, fine for casual play but in an event you're going to feel it.
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>>97122036
good luck
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Is an all human Cities of Sigmar list playable?
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>>97121620
No?
bro i own both dwarves and khazad-dum and the dorfs are roughly fine. the problem is proportion, warhammer tends to be more cartoony
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>>97122141
At this point the question is if non human cos is playable
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>>97122247
A Darkling army is fun enough (Darkling Covens, Order Serpentis etc) but it's not for everyone as it's mostly Dark Elves and "le epic indomitable human spirit meme meme" material
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>>97122036
>mfw I've never seen anyone do Dunmer-themed DoK
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>>97122133
>that animation
>SCE is a black women because of course
>this bitch got buccal fat removal surgery
does anyone enjoy black talon? Did this make them any money or is Nieve a sunk cost they need to keep promoting till they can get rid of the remaining statues?
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>>97120741
maybe a rectangular lantern?
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>>97122366
>Did this make them any money
I'm not sure how that's calculated when the episodes are packaged in a subscription service. If it's conducive to subscriber retention, if not expanding the subscriber base, then it's at least doing something to earn money back.
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Vhordrai has to be winning mini of the year right?
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Has Neave remembered her tree mom yet?
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What would be a fair asking price of the stormcast units from skaventide box?
After looking at them closer I only like the ones without the helmet.
Probably better off not getting invested into them and just getting more rats.
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>>97120100
>my cousin is normal
Your cousin will probably be a serial killer or at best a child abuser.
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Ok I’m genuinely curious, did skaventide actually flop. I ask because I recently was watching a video where they said gw was giving away skaventide for free at adepticon.
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>>97122560
yeah people liked the idea of skaventide more than skaventide itself
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>>97122563
2 editions of aos launch boxes flopping. Granted im convinced the issue is there legitimately is no “space marine” level of popular army that is necessary for the launch boxes to work.
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>>97122573
yeah it's pretty obvious now that the dust has settled
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>>97122560
I recently bought skaventide on a pretty good sale because local stores are trying to clear stock.
It was on this sale for over a year and even after my purchase they still had boxes.
It's a pretty cool box though.
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>>97122573
I can't ever understand what makes space marines so popular.
They are the lamest part of 40k in my eyes. Especially the blob of blue faction.
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>>97122560
Flopped nearly as hard as TOW which didn't even make it into any sales charts whatsoever.
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>>97122612
It’s because it legitimately is just make power fantasy. Space marines do that the best and there is nothing else that scratches that itch(maybe helldivers)
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>>97122615
TOW didn’t flop. Given what the contents of the launch boxes were, alongside the first 1.5 years of releases being less than 10 new kits total, it was clear the expectations were low. The thing about low expectations though is you just have to beat them in order to be classes as a success, which imo TOW did.
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I hope next edition pushes zombies. I don't know what could be done with them but I imagine some manner of mummies might be the way to go. Embalmed corpses, you know. Zondara's dudes also have a cool thing going on where it looks like their skeletons kept growing in Ghurish ways until they exploded out of their bodies.
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>>97122643
>shaft and shovelhead made from a single piece of wood with a horseshoe at the end
wtf
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>>97122424
I think he's got a fair shot. Question is if he can overcome the handicap of not being a 40k model.
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>>97122793
no. not gonna lie, straight up no. the units in darkwater are like weird niche units, specialists and a bunch of characters. it has none of the staples of old maggotkin, and none of the new staples coming out (the horseman, the new 10 man knights on foot, only has a partial unit of pestigors, etc)

it would be a fun set for hobbying, and probably useful garnishes to add to an already full maggotkin army, but really shit for starting a new army for someone who has nothing yet.
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Are 20 clanrats, 1 warlock engineer 1 grey seer for 36€ a good deal?
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>>97120787
You thought skrillex haired fat women are the bad guys? Do you know who’s in charge of the AoS setting?
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>>97122612
It's a power fantasy where they get to be human, but also better than elves and aliens and LiTErAl DAeMoNs. It's important that they're humans because it's "more relatable" (i.e. average 40k fan lack of empathy and theory of mind) and that it keeps them an underdog while also being better than the imagined oppressive alien (hallmark of fascist beliefs). They get to see themselves as powerful, but it comes from power granted to them. This is why the eldar cannot fit as the power fantasy: they are born better. The space marine fan knows he was born lesser, even among other humans. By inserting himself into the space marine narrative he can tell himself that even though he would be born lesser in 40k as well, by virtue of some hidden skill he can't use in the real world (see "burnt out gifted kids" and the average "I could have, but I just didn't feel like trying" types) he would succeed and become better. It's important that the eldar is stronger than the average man so that the space marine can be stronger than it, and therefor both.
It should be noted that the strength the space marine fan covets can be acquired in the real world as well, but he balks at the thought of actual work (getting up and going to the gym) and the physical sacrifices (steroids) it would take to attain it. Much easier to shield himself in fantasies because he knows he lacks the conviction to achieve what he really wants.
This is why he truly loathes the eldar, for they already have it.
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>>97122643
I wish they would give us more stuff like the underworld warbands in mainline AoS. These all have so much character and personality.
>>97122530
I see the full box going for 150 everywhere, so I guess a little under half of that for just the stormcast units themselves
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>>97122560
Personally I found the Dominion box a lot more appealing than Skaventide. In theory not a terrible box if split between two people, but in practice since it's most likely going to be one guy getting it and letting his friends try it out it's not as good an idea. I would imagine there isn't much overlap between people who really like stormcast and people who really like skaven.
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>>97122612
I really don't like them but I think the appeal is partially the silly toy soldier look space marines have and the hyper edgy, massive scale of everything that appeals to that adolescent mindset of "bigger = better"
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>>97119088
Darkwater was priced as a battleforce vox except there's only one Warhammerquest. When you hear a lot of people got in Warhammer through Warhammerquest, it's quite stupid. The price comes from some GW bean counter.
But it still sold out, so whale gotta whale
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>>97122985
Ok stinkditch. Keep seething that marines are just cool.
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>>97123251
Dominion doesn't have terrain though 0/10
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>>97122615
Why did you pluralize charts when we all know the sole source for your claim is the ICv2 website? A source perennially criticized for it's complete lack of accuracy btw (it is based on interviews with select individuals, and also has no representation of internal GW numbers).
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>>97122985
this might be the most severe case of projection i've ever seen. Space marine fans don't dislike eldar, they don't think about them at all. They want big tough doom guy to kill demons
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>>97123273
Shhh that's all he has left. At least let him have that
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Primer came in today. Weather tomorrow (gods willing) conducive to priming. Got new clippers since I lost my old ones and I'm using a fuckin toenail clipper. Shaping up to be a big hobby weekend
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>>97122061
No idea where it's from, someone posted in here a few threads ago and I saved it

>>97122080
Good idea

>>97122133
Is that a new episode? I only watched the DoK one.

>>97122393
They normally base it on views

>>97123273
Because there's no other way to judge as GW don't provide nternal sales numbers. It's imperfect, but it plus tournament attendance is the best we have
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>>97123526
>Because there's no other way to judge as GW don't provide nternal sales numbers. It's imperfect, but it plus tournament attendance is the best we have
That doesn't explain why you pluralized "charts" when you knew you were talking about one chart. Dig deep for this if you have to.
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Is a blood knight on par with a varanguard
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>>97123559
He's not wrong though I just checked billboard top 100 and ToW wasn't there either
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>>97118628
https://gofile.io/d/2gUAHr
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>>97123628
Not really. Varanguard are Chaos Lords while Blood Knights are just Vampire Knights, not Lords.
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>>97123632
Not in my Spotify Wrapped either. Must be struggling!
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>>97123796
Youre being intellectually dishonest, you know that is a biased sample
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>>97122612
What's worse is 30k marines are a better buy than 40k now
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>>97122612
I think chaos marines can be somewhat interesting but yeah all loyalists are boring as fuck. I painted my first primaris mini not too long ago and something is like slightly off about these models, I dunno if it's the proportions, weird-looking legs or what. It's honestly pretty baffling to me that they're the most popular faction in a setting with so much cool and weird shit.
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Hell yeah got three units and a hero assembled and bases textured in time for priming tomorrow
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>>97124025
Naisu
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>>97124030
What isn't naisu is how much time it takes to assemble so many minis, most of which didn't get mold lines removed or gaps filled, for a grand total of like 400 points.
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>>97123342
>They want big tough doom guy to kill demons
This while reasonable seems too basic to me, then again I suppose mass appeal is a result of such simplicity.

>>97122985
I enjoyed this quite a lot.
If we are on the topic of projection like another anon said, I've been a wimpy loser most my life so I never aspired to the roid warriors and usually picked wizards and archers in games where they were an option.
Only later on as I grew did I start enjoying knights and "men made through effort" archetypes.

To me the soldiers of the imperium, the sisters and inquisitors are a lot more relatable as they are truly self made men/women in a way.
The space marines are in my eyes the way you describe the Eldars as. Born and reborn better. My daddy is not only GOD, but he can beat GODS because he is actually GOD+1 infinity type bullshit.
They (common folk fighting) are a lot more aspirational compared to what amounts to a dozen flavors of sonic OCs.

Even in AoS I prefer cities of sigmar over stormcasts.

>>97124013
Yeah they remind me of pic rel. Honestly the ultramarines are the worst offenders. Their blue color is the dumbest one.
At least some of their variants have great schemes like the Dark Angels.
I agree that the traitors are a lot more interesting, but honestly AoS made their counterparts better as well just comparing chaos to chaos.
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>>97124039
I believe in you. If you don't have one yet I'd advise getting a pot of Tamiya thin glue. It comes with a little brush tha that's you paint thin layers of plastic glue over remnants of mouldlines and can melt them away without spilling everywhere.
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>>97119652
>https://gofile.io/d/8bTMwW
Thank you anon
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>>97124049
>the traitors are a lot more interesting, but honestly AoS made their counterparts better as well just comparing chaos to chaos

I have no interest in sci fi as a hobbyist, but i truly believe that 40k has much better characterization than AoS. I feel like AoS' best stuff is the Gotrek stuff, but AoS stuff doesn't ever really aspire to give their characters depth. 40k stuff already has a bunch of established one dimensional characters, so they spend a lot of time trying to work a "nuh uh, actually they're really complex" angle. It misses like 80% of the time but sometimes it really does land. AoS doesn't try to ape real literature as often as 40K (really, horus heresy) does, but as a result it also has lower peaks.

I also don't think there's any AoS fight that's as good as Lorgar vs Kabandha or Sanguinius vs Angron. Those two fights, which you can probably easily find as excerpts online, mog anything WFB/AoS has.
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>>97124084
>super special boy #1 vs super special boy #2
is this what people mean when they say 40k is just capeshit at this point
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>>97124084
I misremembered btw I'm thinking of Lorgar vs Ang'grath and not Kabandha.
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>>97124090
I don't feel like you're really trying to engage in good faith if you're complaining that 40k has fights between named characters when even LotR had duels between super special boys.

Also, what does 'these days' refer to, when Aurelion was written in 2011, several years before the release of AoS? Is AoS somehow not capeshit from inception?
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>>97124084
I see. I guess that is also a way to look at it.
AoS might be more shallow for now, but I fully believe the setting is better and has more opportunity for interest if they eventually try to push for depth.
As you said, 40k didn't really start out doing that either.
Good thing you pointed out the sci-fi / fantasy difference as well. I too much prefer fantasy, but still in 40k I feel like marines are their own separate bubble that if removed from the setting would improve it even with how central they are to it.
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>>97124130
They had a ton of time to do that with WFB and didn't. It's not because of the setting having more time or being better or worse. Wfb/AoS don't have as strong a central narrative as 40k, one is more of a sandbox and the other is a lot more about the narrative around the Pygmalion effect that leads to the current state of affairs. The other big factor is that the main mainline game gets more books so the chances of getting something more readable is higher
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>>97122370
The official GW paintjob has it painted fully metallic (?) so I'm at a loss here
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>>97120741
it's just a trinket
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Im looking forward to the sylvaneth battletome.
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>>97123732
Love you anon!
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>>97118628
>Children of Teclis
I wouldn't bother unless you love lumineth or deepkin its a shit story
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>>97124267
>If you don't like x then this book all about x isn't for you
???
It's a book all about Deepkin and Lumineth, why else would I want to read it you spaz?!
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>>97124274
He's just telling you it's not a good read, and it will only be enjoyable if you're really hungry for some fiction involving the two factions.
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>>97124290
I'm gagging for Deepkin shit so I'm all over that tbhon.
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>>97124293
Alright fishboy, enjoy the slop.
by the way is the court of the blind king any good?
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>>97124333
nta, it's fantastic, like actually fantastic
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>>97124333
>>97124335
its pretty good, but a bit wonky in terms of lore. Mostly the cultural norms of the deepkin. It could be seen as the local difference in customs.
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>>97124335
>>97124373
Damn good to know, might pick it up then.
And yeah I've heard that the book does diverge from the battletomes quite a bit in terms of deepkin culture.
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>>97121313
It's illegal to use more than one UW warband, if even, in most tournaments so idk how you're doing that
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>>97124267
Yeah, it has a black elf on the cover so you know it's one of those stories
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>>97124445
The novel has more adult themes which battletomes skip. You should treat this as different customs like the other anon said. It's a good book and not even by BL standards. It's a good book in general.
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>>97124639
Why would Teclis create a black elf? What was the purpose?
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>>97124653
Hey he didnt want to make deepkin either
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>>97124653
They live in the realm of light to be fair
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Are there any pics of Blighted Wilds floating around? The book sounds interesting but the buzz was drowned out by Darkwater.
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>12 pages of designer commentary
Might be fun.
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>>97124795
Haven't seen it in its entire here, though a few screenshots were shared at least, the custom terrain rules and stuff like that.
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I wonder if Malerion is gonna fuck with the moon(s) when he comes bakc.
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>>97124653
Sigmar mandated DEI, that's why the pantheon fell apart
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>>97124653
he made chocolate elf women

unfortunately the successful generations weren't composed exclusively of women, he tried rectifying that by having a nation of women that could clone themselves, but it was already too late and it came with its own problems

he has established the aelementari temples and instructed the spirits to make the trials as deadly as possible exclusively so he can discriminate and kill as many of the ones he doesn't like
>yes, young jaemaelf, tie a large rock to your feet and let the spirit of the river judge you
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>>97124653
The unfortunate fact of life is if you wanna surround yourself with hot choco Elf women, sooner or later you're gonna end up with choco elf men.
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>>97125105
>chocolate elf women
blessed
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>>97122366
Eh she is the only Black person in the Blacktalons
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>>97122366
>or is Nieve a sunk cost
yes
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>>97122366
Elves have always been lithe you fucking tourist
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>>97122560
No, the same people we get the reliable rumors from said it's their second best selling box ever, after leviathan; and gw always gives up starter sets at events like that.

Are the rumormongers plants? Or in any case people invested either emotionally or economically in gw's success? Most probably, but they're also our only real insight on the matter, and besides starter sets are intended to make gw less money than normally priced products, it's meant to be an entry drug dose.
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>>97125105
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>>97123342
eldar were just used as a generic stand-in for any of the other non-human factions. The same arguments apply to daemons
Note the respect that the space marine fan has for orks --- ugly and simple-minded (like them). They renounce their own intellectual inferiority and so they don't see the ork as a threat, but their lesser, failing to see how they're equals.
Many have noticed the particular disdain the space marine feels toward the Tau. They provide an almost objectively better state of living for any human compared to the imperium. The space marine fan sees this as a threat to the thing that can grant them the strength they covet and so they must be destroyed. They make fun of their reliance on ordnance and fire arms because it reminds them of the real world: no amount of the strength they so desperately want can stand against someone who has a gun. It shatters the illusion, so the space marine fan lashes out and emasculates them, drawing a connection to the phallic nature of most forms of weaponry, implying the Tau use higher technology to compensate for their perceived lack of masculinity. If you want to talk about projection, you could draw some parallels between that and what the space marine fan uses the space marines for
All of these arguments also apply to stormcast players, but in a woke-leftist way where they also use their divine rebirth to live out the transgender existence they know they'll never achieve in the real world
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>>97125366
Stormcast players are only stormcast players because they're cheap as fuck to get into, and easy to collect. There's stormcast players, there's space marine fans.
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>>97125394
>Stormcast players are only stormcast players because they're cheap as fuck to get into, and easy to collect.
That's the same for marines, anon.
You may wish the average marine fan is some kind of informed individual with taste, but it's the same identical little timmy.
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Are all orruks bald.
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>>97125408
I really don't think so, people get into warhammer 40k as a whole because they want to play marines. It helps that they're relatively cheap and elite, but that's not the primary reason, unlike with say custodes. You could argue that the entire reason mehreens became so popular in the first place is because they were easy and cheap to collect and paint back in the day too, causing a sort of popularity snowball effect.
But that's not really the case for stormcast, they proportionally don't draw as many fans to aos like marines do to 40k. They are however a very good beginner's army for people getting into aos, and often wargaming as a whole.
maybe this is cope but I think that's probably a good thing in the end
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>>97125663
Yeah. Historically Orcs/Orks aren't but even a little reference to a hairy Ork runt herder in 40k recently featured hair that was sown or stapled on rather than a natural growth so
Things could always change I suppose and GW are as likely to go back to oldhamme nostalgia as continue their current design path but
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>>97125394
Stormcast are only partially cheap. I'd say they're the most expensive army looking past starter set stuff which yeah is a basis for an army but any glance beyond it is AoS pricing for little
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>>97125200
there's a difference between elves being lithe and having cruella deville physiognomy you ingrate
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>>97124025
are you using paint on primer? I would think it makes more sense to use spray primer first and then do the bases, save a lot of time.
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>>97125773
at least post them assembled instead of box posting like the ingrates that you loathe.
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>>97125773
>boxposting
the only thing you btfo'd is yourself, dumbass
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>>97125753
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I’d rather box post than step foot within 20 feet of a darkoath box
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>>97125799
>will likely cost $40 when she goes to the of world
Ill never understand old worlds pricing.
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>>97125773
Congratulations on your first ever warhammer purchase! Make sure to give it a proper discount when you put it on ebay 2 months from now without painting a single miniature!
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>>97125799
now post a real elf
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>>97125830a
Please Anon, this isn’t a HoH box
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>>97125773
>no women
Unfortunate
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That's a pretty unflattering rendition of Alarielle's likeness. I hope an artisan lost his guild membership over this.
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>>97125856
>buccal fat removal
God can they stop forcing this as a new trans inclusive beauty standard? It isn't working
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>>97125752
Huh, how so? Even leaving out starter sets (plus more second hand market options than any other army), they're the third cheapest army from an average points per dollar perspective, with nagash propping up the top two massively (NH and obr apparently).
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>>97125867
You’re on the aos thread, half the people here are trannies
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>>97125870
£80 for Stormdrake Guard at 310pts
£37 for Annihilators at 130pts
£42.50 Vanquishers at 200pts
£25 for foot heroes
£50 for Dracothian at 170pts
Idk they feel like an AoS taxed range next to most. I know the Starter set is cheep but once you look outside that it's pricey and that's not even webstore only stuff
Maybe I'm just lucky with KB, GSG, and CoS being cheap
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDWp9ok8dZQ
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>>97125913
Eh I'm sure they got pricier options but on the whole it seems like they're cheap (by gw standards) once you average everything out. Maybe the more competitive picks are more expensive. Interesting you say gsg though, they're the second most expensive army on average. Though gitmob might have something to do with that, I didn't check the details.
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>>97125745
It is a hair squig so kinda natural implant.
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>>97125663
hair squig
>but that's 40k
I don't care
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>>97125116
They're called hair squigs and if anyone doesn't know that they don't know ball
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40k's getting half a dozen new detachments this December. Dare I hope AoS will get RoR or AoR rules within the month?
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>>97125895
True, unlike TOW fans who are 80% trannies.
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>>97126039
Gsg are affordable with troggs, expensive with mobs.

SCE is cheap to build a dog shit 2k with, but realistically a SCE army that has a chance of 5-0ing a GT is three times as expensive as a SCE made from pure box set chaff. Think about Dominion, for example - box comes with annihilators, but if you want to win with the meteor spam, you need the grand hammer annihilators which the box doesn't have. You need Dracoths, Vanguard-Palladors, Stormdrake, Long strikes... They give away big blocks of Stormcast infantry, but how often does an army with multiple reinforced blocks of Vindictors get anywhere? Stormcast are the cheapest army to get to 2k, but one of the most expensive armies to get to 2k competitively.

Compare to Kbs, which are also dirt cheap due to being given away extensively in 3e, but their most important units are things like shamans and the 50 dollar monsters and the random shitty infantry approaches playability much more so.
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What books do I need bare-minimum to play spearhead? The app is kinda confusing but has the warscrolls (but so does the instruction book for the models...) and the only other thing I can think of is just the basics of how to play a table-top game deciding where to put three objectives.
My lfgs has the sand and bone set but I don't want to spend 80 dollars on some shitty terrain and playing cards that might not be essential for the game mode.
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>>97126117
If the leaks are true the 40k stuff seems pretty redundant. with that being said it would be nice to get more ror options.
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>>97126024
riverblades are a real vibe.
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>>97126145
what's the leaks?
>>97126142
the playing cards are essential
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>>97126220
most of the detachments are just space marine stuff that really dont need it besides maybe blood angels
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does anyone have the idk battome for 4th? I just wanna read the lore blurb surrounding the new manifestation incarnate.
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>Cities of sigmar book
>Cover of the book only has humans showing
>No bro duardin or Big hips DA

I can see why they are leaving the cities

>>97125234
I still don't know what to blame GW with female minis, is it how the paint them? The molds? The pupils?

Somehow this is why many people proxy or even get custom 3D minis

Heard that warmachine had good looking minis tho'

>>97117900
Man, do wish hobgrots got more stuff
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>>97126289
>>Cities of sigmar book
>>Cover of the book only has humans showing
>>No bro duardin or Big hips DA
>I can see why they are leaving the cities
the first city of sigmar book had more stormcasts on the cover than men, elves and dwarfs combined
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>>97124448
>idk how you're doing that
Having fun with friends, wild huh?
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>>97126289
KB hobgrots are getting bomb slingas (better and longer ranged grenadiers but way worse melee) and slicas (no ranged but stronger swords instead of shanks)
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>>97126140
Yeah I'll be the first to admit I have no idea what a competitive army would even look like. Most stormcast I play against is newbies with a cobbled together 2k list. Hard to get a sense of what's good etc.
>>97126234
>more space marine toys
Not exactly surprising that.
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>>97126265
Here:
https://gofile.io/d/hB1ceE
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>>97126265
https://gofile.io/d/0Sk8Td
Spoiler alert: It's pretty disappointing how they come about. Feels like a lesser version of an Eidolon with greater sacrifice. Unless the Incarnates somehow exist after disappearing from the battlefield.
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>>97126132
Every game store I’ve been into that has an aos scene the majority are trannies. Weird how that works out. I’m shocked they can afford it I would’ve thought all their money went to hrt.
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>>97126024
>Avalenor, the Stoneheart King
>Alarith Spirits of the Mountain
>Alarith Stonemages
>Alarith Stoneguards
>Sevireth, Lord of the Seventh Wind
>Hurakan Spirits of the Wind
>Hurakan Windmages
>Hurakan Windchargers
So in the spirit of fairness the Ydrilan temple, in addition to its Riverblades, require models for Daixo Whitecrest or some other spirit, Ydrilan Spirits of the River, and Ydrilan Rivermages. Oh and we're also gonna need stuff for the Zenith temple, but that's not as pressing.
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Here's how I would save IDK
>New named character she fucking hates chaos so goddamn much and autistically tries to keep an even tally of kills on leaders from each of the big five (she decided this because if she tallied ANY chaos worshipper kills she'd have 20x more skaven tallies than any of the other big 4 combined)
>Her followers are corsairs who are almost as autistic as her, either armed with cutlasses & water guns (like guns but shoot water bullets) or harpoons & nets
>Her elite thralls who can reflect damage taken and are shirtless and have spiked shields
>Cabal of pirate wizards who can teleport allies into the backline or teleport enemies into dying range
>I am basically saying Eldar Corsairs but fantasy
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>>97126444
I feel like Zenith temple will be the 1 deviation of the temple formula since the Zenith adherents are so rare. They might just be a single hero or a unit of 3. The Aelementor will probably be tied to Tyrion's sculpt since he impressed the spirit of the Perimiter Inimical when he burnt his eyes out looking for Teclis.
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>>97126376
i wanna know why it's the ftms. Never even heard of a trans guy playing warhammer
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>>97126472
you mean mtfs, ftm is trans guy mtf is trans girl
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>>97126472
It’s the men larping as women. IMO it’s why aos has a problem growing its base, the mtf trans are so repugnant they scare normal people away
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>>97126479
yeah i'm a little restarted
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>>97126444
How many temples do the loomies have? Is it a set amount or are the ones we have right now just the ones that happen to be more prominent or something?
>>97126446
I don't know if pirates would really square with idoneth's existing aesthetic
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Uh oh aosbros, TOW is on aos’s heels after one year of being released, still with mostly old models. Is it over?
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>>97126536
The list
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>>97126536
>>97126543
>OH NO POKEMON BROS, LEGEND OF ZELDA AND METROID ARE GAINING ON US
Fuck out of here.
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>>97126529
>How many temples do the loomies have?
Just four. And then there are vanari and scinari dudes outside of that.
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>>97126536
only a problem if you think gw is going to cancel 40k because aos is also selling well.
They got a third game in the top ten list and the audiences 100% don't fully overlap so they'd only be shooting themselves in the dick if they canned one for the other
but you're a troglodytic little rage baiter so maybe you should shoot your own dick off instead
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>>97126554
I eagerly await the seethe when Old World passes aos in 2026. But hey, if you believe that aos will keep its spot with the numerous flops it has u see its belt I won’t stop you.
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are seraphon still made out of magic in spaceships or did gw fully pussy out and retcon all that
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Anons help. Locals keep trading me more shit, I just traded 20 spider riders I just got extra from another trade for like... a bunch more stuff somehow.
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>>97126543
Awful bait, try better next time.
Anyway here's the next list after that one
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>>97126536
>>97126543
If we're resorting to fucking icv2posting at least use the latest list.
>>97126599
They backtracked it a bit but they're still there. Long story short there's two types of seraphon, starborn are the daemons of order whatever the fuck that hang out in spaceships, coalesced went down to the realms to settle down and basically became normal lizzies again.
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>>97125840
Sent that freak flying
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>>97126599
I don't think they're literally made of magic, but they easily come across that way. There are two types: coalesced and starborn. Coalesced seraphon are the ones that are born and live their lives down on the ground. Their appearance and demeanor tends to vary somewhat depending on where they live, but they're basically what lizardmen were like in Lustria. Starborn seraphon are the ones that inhabit spaceships. They have more weirdness going on like how they seem to bleed starlight, but they're still not straight up daemons.
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>>97126620
I wish I was in your spot, im having a hard time moving my 40k stuff. Also my chaos warriors from old world as well.
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So now that the dust has settled, why do I keep procrastinating on painting?
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>>97126698
Shitty priming weather?
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>>97126740
>>97126740
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>>97126376
>>97126472
A lot of people who get into Warhammer had some exposure or interest as kids, and now are 30 year old boomers.

Ftm trans were usually socialized with female hobbies as kids, like cosmetics/beauty/fashion/gender role stuff (princesses and princes etc). This reflects on the stuff they like as adults - they were shown princess shit as kids, but they didn't identify with the princess, they wanted to be the prince. That's why a lot of them like "superficial" guy shit and get tattoos and lift and take meds to grow beards, no one ever taught them how to be autistic about spreadsheets as kids.

Mtf has the opposite childhood, probably grew up with the bros, rolling dice or playing Tekken. Probably a little effeminate as kids, a little introverted, not likely to feel comfortable enough with themselves to be chasing girls and getting into fights. They also didn't get a female upbringing to learn how to put on makeup and shit so you see a lot more Gorlocks who have no idea how to pass well. So the adult mtf interests usually reflect the same shit a nerdy kid would like.

Im honestly pretty chill with trans people but I have to admit, I definitely feel like it's funny that ftm are never autistic sperglords. Are you really a dude if you don't have your own version of the roman empire obsession?
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>>97125408
lmao fuck you nigger, I picked up stormcast because they're lightning powered paladins in shiny plate armor, slaughtering edgy chaos faggots for being big dumb retard fags.
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>>97126543
>>97126624
I guess TOW had a decent start and fell off quickly.



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