sovl wars Edition>Previously in the Mortal Realms:>>97117900 >Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:If GW gave you carte blanche for the 5th edition launch box, which two factions (new or existing) would you put in it?
>>97126740>TQLumineth vs new dark elf equivalent Tyrion vs malekith
>>97126740>spiderfang vs malerion elves>edition themed around ulgu and malerion being pissed that the skitterstrands keep warping in and out of his realm as they please
>>97126790Unfortunately, I think spiderfangs days in aos are numbered.
>>97126834Yeah probably. But I thought the exact same thing about seraphon, and death rattle, and gitmob and got pleasantly surprised. At this point I've accepted that they may not get anything, but I'm not going to pretend that I know 100% that they won't. Worst case scenario I can run legends or proxy stuff
I LOVE MY WIFE NEAVE
>>97126844Did you also do the converted turtle guy?
>>97126740Now that the dust has settled, why did Darkwater flop?
>>97126834I just wound up with some spiders funnily enough, though have a bit less now than previously.Some guy wanted some spider riders and 1 of my manglers for a local trade, still got my 2 arachnaroks AND NOW got some neato chaos stuff (part of which I'm donating to my friend for his projects) I figure worst case if spiders go away cool models are cool models ya know?
>>97126740Yknow prior to the big StD and CoS refreshes I thought they'd be a perfect fit for a starter box. Usually starter boxes have stormcast as the generic good guys, fairly elite going up against a relatively horde bad guy army with maybe one or two bigger units (like the ogres and warpblaster in skaventide for example)CoS vs StD would retain a lot of these elements, just switched around a bit. Now the bad guys are the elite ones, with mass appeal at that, while the generic good guys are more horde-y.Anyway for fifth, malerion's lads are probably the most hyped army at the moment, with chorfs finally here. Are there any ranges left that will need big refreshes when 4th is done, like skaven previously? If not they can start bulking out the smaller ranges. I can see fec being the token death army for 5th.Now if I'm allowed to make up some bullshit that pleases nothing but myself I'm going with idoneth vs nighthaunt. Old bones is coming for those stolen souls baby.
>>97126740>TQGeW I beg of you the Stormcast will not sell please ffs try something other than that in the goddamn 5e box. I know you are allergic to ever discounting aaealves but a lumineth box would save AoS.
>>97126871I do like the emphasis on loot and how frequently it is dolled out but the scenario driven play was a terrible decision. The board state is irrelevant because the game ends when the last round does and continues until it hasn't. Enemies just respawn. Characters only matter in their service of what may as well be random objectives each scenario.
>>97126740>TQHelsmiths vs Kurnothi. Industry vs Nature is a badass matchup.
>>97126869Ye he's mine too. I don't do a lot of converting for my other armies so I go a little crazy on my gitz
>>97126871no tie in novel
>>97126892While I have no doubt that your criticism of the gameplay is fair, I doubt the actual gameplay was the cause of the flop. I think the obvious answer is that it's a really bad value proposition for what it is. The models have little to no carry over into AoS or other GW games, and the box has so much variety that the few things you might want to use as proxies are a very small piece of a very expensive box.Also let's be honest. AoS simply isn't as popular as 40k in the mainstream. They thought because they sell Kill Team sets with 20 models and terrain for like $200 that they could also sell the same amount of an AoS board game.
>>97126898And they're positively lovely.
>>97126740Hobgrots Vs Cities (Dogs of War wave)
So I found some pics of the old chaos warrior start collecting box and I'm a bit confused, the chaos warriors and knights look to be different from the ones we have now, but obviously also different from the old ones that are now in tow. I wasn't paying much attention to aos at the time, but what the hell happened here? Did they sell these guys outside the box individually? Why replace them again in that case, is it like the sbgl skellies where they were super wonky or something?
Do Tree-Revenants come with female bodies or is it male only, the other units are always mixed.
>>97126948The warriors in that box were a easy to build version and the current one is multipart kit if i remember correctly
>>97126959Ah, that's interesting. Did they make them for any special occasion, like a vs box or something? Rare for them to make etb units for normal kits.
>>97126977I think they came in the same box the lizard riding guy came in, but im not 100% sure
>>97126903All of the models have Maggotkin warscrolls aside from the Kelpies
>>97127051Wait, that's out already? Do blight templars? Can you run pestigors in groups of 8?
>>97126905Thanks anon. Maybe one day I'll start working on this fucking monstrosity again and I'll have something else for you to look at but I can't pretend like I haven't been finding other excuses not to work on it lmao
>>97126948The warriors and knights in that kit were pushfit easy-to-build models, originally intended for some starter kit that never materialized.
>>97126871So on a scale from 1-skaventide, how big of a flop is darkwater?
>>97126740>TQ>Followers of the Everqueen and hunters of Kurnoth versus...expeditions of the undead( not vampire coasts that is just legions of nagash)>Followers of the everqueen would hold rootkings, mosslepers (although I would retcon this slightly so that they would have flowers emerging from an eye or root braches just for modeling purposes, if they aren't masked), shamanistic wanderer's, order of the furrow (elite grouded cav to match sloven knights)>hunters of kurnoth would be more of the furries, maybe make them a horde cav unit so you get 10 and reinforce them up to a 20 unit. Add a command group that could also potentially group with the furry cav. as for later additions for sylvaneth, maybe redo the treelord(?), dryads, branchwych(?), add prince maesa as an obligatory named character, add some outcast stuff idk. >narrative focus for the boxwhatever ritual doohikie that alarielle is rumored to do that fucks up pretty much every other realm causes everyone to hold a grudge against the everqueen, so she needs to look inwards for allies and adopts her religious followers as conscripts. The ritual itself also somehow threatens to bring Nagash back to life...but this time in the flesh. So the undead are of mixed opinions on this and seek to diminish or secure Nagashes return by influencing with the realm wide ritual that the everqueen unleashed. I haven't suggested anything for the undead because just having discounted legions of death back would be enough for me.ALSO FUCK OFF WITH GOTREK AND MAKE MAESA ADOPT HIS ROLE!
>>97127070Yes and no, you'll have to buy more or use Kelpies as proxies
>>97127078Nothin wrong with taking a break, it's a sick model and I'm sure once it's done it'll be even cooler.
>>97127088>ALSO FUCK OFF WITH GOTREK AND MAKE MAESA ADOPT HIS ROLE!You’re a troon faggot who wants to replace one of the singular most iconic Warhammer characters with some random (a)elf nobody knows? GTFO
>>97126871did it? In the us it seems to big with third party stores. ebay especially. My lgs also had 50 come in and those were gone a day or two after the preorders were up. then again Gw doesnt really care if a LGS can really sell them, just that they get it.
>>97127096>wants to replace one of the singular most iconic Warhammer characters Tradition is for the dead.
>>97127092Huh, where can I find them? Shame about the pestigors, makes things really annoying. Couldn't have fit in w more bodies gw?
No worse feeling than actively trying to paint but not being able to pick what colors you wanna use Pain
>>97127138worse still when the box art is too perfect to deviate from but you want to make your army to feel yours.
>>97127122Jeez I wonder why aos is struggling to find new players. That attitude and the stench from your post op ditch between your legs just drive people away.
>>97127152dude your obsession with trannys is insane. I wouldnt judge you for being a chaser ( i mean I would but still) but you ought to keep it contained within your padded room.
>>97127146>when the box art is too perfect to deviate from
>>97127160Im the one that needs a padded room? 41%
>>97126740>If GW gave you carte blanche for the 5th edition launch box, which two factions (new or existing) would you put in it?Stormcast Eternals (I like those gay little guys) vs Ossiarch Bonereapers, with new OBR heroes and ranged units.
>>97127138Go through and pick out all of your favorite colours. Then go through and replace 1/4 of those colours with ones you haven't tried yet or are excited to use. Use your absolute favorite colours for the small details so you arent stressing over them, and use the larger parts of the model to try out your new colours with lots of room to get comfortable with them
>>97127195Not a bad plan, I mainly still struggle with the whole alright now I gotta 50/50 from layer to layer and then hope that white or ice yellow is best for max highlights and still look good without following a specific recipe
>>97127138What army or unit anon? Magenta is a sleeper pick, if you need some inspiration.
>>97127228gobbos or more specifically the mushrooms cause the green skin I am pretty satisfied with so no problems there, its just that besides the regular redcap mushroom I find it pretty challenging making a good color recipe for other bright mushroom colors
>>97127078Holy FUCK
>>97127205Ice yellows and whites work great for yellows, I think you'll be good. Yellow is worth the fuss imo>>97127234I think picking energy drink/90s colour schemes works quite well. They're very bold and help the mushrooms pop even if you've got a fairly bright scheme
>>97127167Nta but black and gold chaos warriors just cannot be beaten
>>97127234I just make up random bullshit, I had some fun purple/pink gradients with teal spots that looked nice on my troggboss. I'm lazy as fuck and can't find the finished guy but here's a shitty WIP image. I like to make a bunch of different mushroom colors when I do my gitz.
>>97126740>TQNew Factions>Order of the Old World (Order)Despite their name, they're not from the TOW old world but rather from the ancient nations of the old Ages, the ones new sigmarite folk build their cities over. They are beings borne of the earth and Winds, warriors of stone who have become animated to push back the corruption plaguing the eight realms. The Order takes design cues from arabic & middle eastern warriors>Drogukh (Destruction)There's your beastmen damn. Jokes aside, they'd play more into the force of nature aspect of Destruction, with clans centered around disasters both natural and manmade.The entire box is basically the ancients clashing after millennia apart and buried deep away, in a world new and foreign. One side chooses to support the new world while the other simply wants to grind it to dust, just as they were grounded down long ago.
>>97126948Monopose vs multipart
>>97127125They're not out yet. Are you implying GW lied when they said the battletome would feature warscrolls for them?
>>97127277Ceramic white with blood imprints is kinorino thoughever
>>97127078Unprecedented SOVL on display.Would this be a mangler (boss) conversion or just a nice diorama?>>97127234Oh well, all things considered that shouldn't be too big of a problem, just find a bunch of colours you like and try them out. I mean it's gsg, you got more thsn enough mushrooms to test out ideas. And if one doesn't quite work, I mean, it's a fucking mushroom.
Got around to watching the latest Blacktalon ep. Bit of spoilers from it:>Lorai's reason for working with the Blacktalons is that she has a daughter she's trying to save, and she's been promised Neave's soul to that end, but it seems Bastian is trying to persuade Lorai to accept Calthia Xandire's soul instead>Rostas's brain is so mauled from reforging that he fucking murders two starving rioters with his bare hands>Hendrick refuses to say who ordered him to kill Neave any time she appeared to recall any derails from her past>because Be'lakor could see and hear through Neave, she decides to leave herself out of all planning going forward>Hendrick's plan for sneaking into Be'lakor's hideout is to ask Lorai to guide the team through Harrowdeep>Team Be'lakor uses Harrowdeep to source ritual sacrifices for corrupting Hammerhal's realmgateAlso if anyone can identify what that thing in pic related even is, do tell. I'm ready to be told it's something I should immediately recognize but simply can't connect. It's bugging me.
>>97127300I was under the impression that it was ambiguous whether or not blight templars would get rules. They said something like "gelgus pust, his gaggle of characters, poxwretches and cankerborn"
>>97127271Sick model anon the liquid also looks cool, what colors did you use there?>>97127279Loving that mushroom color anon, and the teal goes hard with the purple, maybe I just need to not overthinking it and go with whatever wack or trippy colors work like the other anon said, I try to stick to a recipe too hard and it's an issue
>>97127366Just have fun with it, I use gitz to help experiment because if things look stupid and over the top it kinda fits with the faction.
>>97127270Thanks lmao. Definitely dug myself into a deep hole with him>>97127306Thanks anon, he's gonna be a boss on mangler. I wanted a second one for options in game but the mangler kit isn't really something I wanted two of. Quite a few nubs and mouldlines still on him, but everything is just tacked in lightly with superglue so I can break it down when painting and I wanted to get the layout figured out first>>97127366Thanks anon. From what I remember it was basecoat emperor's children, wash magos purple, wash with white ink thinned heavily with contrast medium, glaze ak fluo pink, dry brush/stipple I think temple guard blue, but that's where things get hazy.
>>97127395Yeah that's very true, and I agree that's what I also love about em, just need to be a little less of a perfectionist cause that's my biggest hindrance, gonna look at some trippy colors and art maybe that'll help spark some ideas unironically>>97127402Neat, thanks, sounds wack kek, yeah understandable but I get the idea, I have a bunch of fluos lying around I really gotta use those more
>>97127402>the mangler kit isn't something I want two ofUnderstandable, I mentioned this in an earlier thread but I wanted to use the 40k squigosaur as a base for my mangler loonboss. Still a way's away though. Again, your stuff looks amazing.
>>97127425>just need to be a little less of a perfectionist cause that's my biggest hindrancethat was one of the big points for me, I figure if you're willing to go a bit more crazy and take the risk you could wind up with something you really want.>>97127402I had 3 manglers until earlier this afternoon when I swapped him and some spiders for a butt load of chaos stuff! It's a fun kit but admitedly having multiples can be a bit samey. As much as I dream of an all mangler army.
>>97127228Magenta isn't real. Ignore all fake magenta propaganda. Magenta doesn't exist. Do not use this deceitful shade.
>>97127425I think fluos are great once you get used to them. Every brand I've tried is strangely gelatinous and has horrendous coverage over anything darker than off white. But over white they fucking scream they're so bright>>97127429>>97127434Yeah manglers are a weird one, the kit is incredible, once. I am thankful for the build options in the kit because the bits are super flavorful and fun but I can't ever see myself wanting to put two next to each other on the table. The build was great and they're a joy to paint, but the alt build just isn't different enough for me to warrant two, especially for a unit that's supposed to be a big, frantic, bouncing monster that would rarely be in the same spot for a minute let alone in a similar pose to another individual at the same time.
>>97127478Yeah I have a mix of GSW and Vallejo and fluos over white ink is some pretty crazy stuff
>>97127478I keep forgetting the loonboss even had an alternate build technically. Hell when I first found out I thought the 'normal' variant was the loonboss one.
>>97127167Just do boxart colors but with a better execution :^)
>>97126834Everything is atp
>>97127146>>97127167I never understood why painting box art colors is looked down upon, those are(almost) always really good.
>>97127628Generally there aren't any problems with painting amongst those who paint because it's fun. The people with all sorts of rules that everyone needs to follow tend to be those who paint because they feel they have to or are painting to please other people and not themselves
>>97127614>tripBetter off in /twg/ my friend
I really like the lumineth minis but i have never seen them in a scheme that they really look good in.
>>97127924someone here did them in a metallic copper scheme. On paper it sounds pretty downright fucking awful but he pulled it off.
>>97127924Here me out, beefeater LRLBlack helmets with primary red outfits with black and gold trim.
>>97127146The issue isn't painting box art schemes but the motivation to do so. Paint what you want, if it's the default then so be it. The issue is people feel forced to
>>97127975This is so stupid but it might actually work
>>97127983I wish there was a way to paint nighthaunt that wasn't just a two color gradient, but they're all just skeletons under cloaks. There's probably a way to get a shimmering ethereal effect but it's probably beyond the scope of what any hobbyist is going to have time or ability to do.
Darkwater flopped? How so?
>>97127088>ALSO FUCK OFF WITH GOTREK AND MAKE MAESA ADOPT HIS ROLEFucking BASED Holy shit. I'd be 100% behind that.
>>97127088>>97128060I agree. AoS is the setting for diversity. The last thing we need is a WASP coded Timmy dwarf. He needs to be replaced by strong black women of color.
>>97128100trying too hard
If anything maesa would be more of a wasp than gotrek. Dorfs are scot-coded.
>>97127333I think that's a white skaven, you can see the little cartoon rat nose at the end of its face, it just has a fatass tail. There's some art for harrowdeep (or nethermaze?) that features a bunch of white skaven emerging from eggs or cocoons or some shit that's completely unexplained, beyond the Eshin UW warband saying eshin uses the place for something, but maybe is also why they chose to put this here.
>>97127356I think that was a silly assumption people made, that they'd give rules to literally everything but blight templar. They didn't specifically mention them, but they did list everything else
>>97127088>rootkings, mosslepers, shamanistic wanderer's, order of the furrowThis just sounds like a bunch of CoS stuff.
>>97127333>>Rostas's brain is so mauled from reforging that he fucking murders two starving rioters with his bare handsIs this just allowed? Don't they do, like, suspensions or something? It feels like the minimum when one of their own starts committing manslaughter.
>>97127138I find I like certain colours so all my armies look the same
>>97128202Cos has nothing even resembling any of that anymore. Not even priests.
>>97127333Why are they pretending like Neave's treemom never existed?
>>97127333>>97128212>damnit Rostaski, you're a loose cannon! In this realm, we do things by the book! Turn in your badge and your hammer. I'm sending you on two months of reclusian chamber, without pay!
Hi Settra
>>97128354The settra poster has been quiet.
>>97128354And for context, for the Settra poster
>>97128366I don't even know how Settra could return to AoS, the point of Settra is that he's utterly unwilling to deal with anyone who challanges his ultimate authority.
>>97128389He sorta came back as a stormcast but they left that as a mystery rather than making it something wholesale thankfully.
>>97128389I don't think it really has any implications for AoS but they did end the trailer with this teaser (picrel). I think CA is getting ready for TWWH4 to be the transition to AoS as a setting. The Lords of the End Times is confirmed to be semi-standalone, as in you can just buy the different end times lords and play without purchasing TWWH 1-3. Ever since Cathay made it from game to tabletop I've been looking a bit more at trailers/releases, especially if they're going to shift to AoS.
>>97128395>but they left that as a mystery ratherGW made the author write a follow up short story where that Stormcast character was declared definitely not Settra and then perma-killed.
>>97128411And sorry to spam.. but forgot to say that I think it's significant that they're making it semi-standalone rather than dlc for TWWH3 because it means that they're wanting to reach as wide of an audience as possible, which to me signals the setting transition. It has also been 7 years since Vermintide 2, and I'm wondering what they'll be doing for Vermintide 3. The community has been speculating all year.
>>97128411>I think CA is getting ready for TWWH4 to be the transition to AoS as a settingThis would be really fucking funny but it would also bring secondaries into AoS so I dunno how I feel about this possibility
>>97128424Did WHFB get a lot of secondaries because of TW? I don't feel like it was that much, TW is already a niche game as it is
>>97128424I feel like 10 years of grog seethe has effectively created a filter that largely only people who earnestly want to give AoS a try will pass through while mindless consoomers and trendchasers tay behind. Maybe their hate has been a blessing in disguise.
>>97128422Lmao sigpiggy thinks age of smega is getting AAA vidya. How many times do you have to learn this lesson?
>>97128457alright autist lad, carry on
>>97128432Tow only got revived because of TWW secondaries and it died immediately because tww secondaries had no intention to buy models or play the actual tabletop
>>97128500Ahaha I love watching the /aosg/ slide into delusion. Another Darkwater and you'll have to be institutionalized.
>>97128529Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of tow not even breaking the top 10 less than a year after release
>>97128411>TWWH4doesn't it make more sense that if they plan on adding the End Times as dlc to TWWH3, they would end it there? I don't see them putting out a TOW total war game set in the end times, makes more sense to end it on that DLC and maybe put some teasers in if they plan on doing TW:AoS. I still think a TW 40k game is way more likely, but we'll see. They could reuse a shitload of assets for an AoS game, so that might be more appealing. >>97128432No, and it doesn't help that GW's "revival" of fantasy was to half ass it by only putting out 2, now 3, refreshed factions to buy and play as. Anyone coming from total war is going to see there's only 3 factions with decent models and everything else is 2 decades old and either not bother, or look into AoS. I'm pretty sure GW only brought it back for the grogs to enjoy, they never really had the intention of having it bring in new people.
>>97128558>makes more sense to end it on that DLC and maybe put some teasers in if they plan on doing TW:AoSThis is what I am saying they are doing. Whether the next game is actually titled TWWH4 or TWWHAoS doesn't really matter, we're talking about the same game
>>97128551Talking a lot of shit for someone who's last edition is being released next year
>>97128588>someone who's last edition is being released next yearThat's going to be TOW though?
>>97128588trying too hard
>>97128529>>97128588Your general died again huh? :(
>>97128551I mean I'm about to buy a bunch of the slaves to darkness chaos knights and 3d print a bunch of conversion trays to play them in TOW and AOS been almost exclusively kill team and blood bowl at the flgs but a bunch of guys have starting playing underworlds, and the AoS models are good imo. don't like 40k 10th and my orks are sitting unused, figure if I'm gonna play a war game it makes sense to buy models I can use for two of them
>>97128282she doesn't, they totally retconned that book and her origin. It makes no real sense, why take a character people already know/like and then just make a new one with her name and face but nothing else similar, but they've run with it for some reason.
>>97128411That's not a teaser, that's just literally what happened to settra in the end times. Nagash blew him up and left his head in the sands, watching him take the armies of nehekara away. In the end times his last scene is hearing the whispers of the chaos gods, offering him power to get revenge if he serves, and then never shows what his answer to them is.>The Lords of the End Times is confirmed to be semi-standalone, as in you can just buy the different end times lords and play without purchasing TWWH 1-3This is already how all dlc works now, you can play Immortal Empires if you just own any of the 3 games. If you own any of the game 3 dlc i imagine it's the same, you just can't play with anything you don't own
>>97128719That's different than how it is now, I can't just buy the tomb kings dlc and play a game without tww
>>97128719No, it's different in that you don't need to buy any of the base TW games to play the end times lords.>Q: Will I have to own Total War: WARHAMMER I, II or III to play?>A: No. You can simply purchase one of the four new Legendary Lords and you’ll be ready to conquer the apocalypse.
>>97127152AoS struggles to find players because it does not embrace diversity enough and there are still too many white male chud factions in it. Removing the Brayherds was a step into the right direction but they also need to remove Fyreslayers and other holdover models from the 90s and 2000s to make a modern, vibrant and culturally sensitive miniature wargame for anyone
>>97128753>>97127152can you two just fuck already.
97128753lol, lmao good one. here's your >you
>>97128411>>97128422>>97128466CA will only make Total War: 40k, there is no chance in hell they will try to use a burned setting like AoS in the eyes of their userbase after the disaster that was Hyenas. 40k is sure to bring paying customers because 40piggies buy anything
>>97128759people like you are the reason the hobby is such a chudfest
>>97127193>with new OBR heroes and ranged units.would be just my luck to dump off my OBR as soon as they make some shit that would play really good.
>>97128778get better bait, the only person you've snagged is someone clearly off their meds and in desperate need of social validation.
>>97128411So, with the arrival of Nagash and the end times in Total War: Warhammer, will the next Total War: Fantasy be Age of Sigmar?
>>9712877540k doesn't work as a total war game, this is why we have DoW. You sound like you have never played a TW game so I'll excuse your retarded take
>>97128802I mean, probably not realistically. It'd be neat but I doubt it, CA needs a win and 40k or some other well known IP would be next.Would be easier to do AOS though you could reuse assets. Also they'd be more free to just go crazy and make shit up.
>>97126740Mawtribes vs StormcastsMawtribes doing some shit to bring the Great Maw into the Realms, getting transformed into the process, becoming bigger, fatter and wider -mouthed, while Stormcasts try to stop them. A good nice callback to the last good edition of Age of Sigmar a (which was the 3rd Edition)
>>97128808you clearly haven't watched the last reveal from them, where they revealed that they have a new engine that allows for vehicle combat. They will announce it on the 11th
Ya know, the chaos warshrine is pretty fucking cool. Out of all the parade float models transferred from fantasy this one being dragged along by freak mutants makes it stand out a bit more.Though compared to the best AOS parade float Glutos it comes up lacking.
>>97128830I did watch it. But let's see. Napoleonic wars was legendarily a shitty experience because of the constant ranged battle. Nobody plays TW to shoot guns anon.
>>97128753Post your half painted goats again lmao
Why do you guys think HoH sold so poorly?
>>97128982People liked the idea of the Helsmiths of Hashut more so than the actual Helsmiths of Hashut.
>>97128982Did they sell poorly? My LGS has a few army sets left but I assumed it was because AoS is kinda dead in my area. Not good if that's a trend!
>>97128982Why do you think you threw a tantrum the last time you got banned for posting this bait?
>>97128982>>97128984>>97128990Come on guys. Maybe they overprinted the HoH set a little bit. But calling it a flop? If that's a flop we don't have a word for Darkwater.
>>97128830waaaait wait wait wait....are they just now getting vehicle combat? something the RTS genre has had since like 1992?
look mom, I posted it again
>>97128982They shouldn't have tried to redesign them art deco. Some of the units look fine (centaurs) and a few of them look fucking retarded (art deco bull, artillery, gunners). What a fucking abortion of design.
Now that the dust has settled, why were HoH such a massive hit that most of the range is still sold out everywhere months after release?
>>97129030it is pretty funny trying to make the flop argument when the entire webstore except the tome and the war despot are sold out
>>97129047NOOOO ITS ALL JUST SCALPERS
>>97129047>>97129057DO NOT look at third party stock. DO NOT look up fomo box Army Set stock!
>>97129064My man bringing the receipts.
>>97129064Try not to let them get to you. We have our own resident Helsmith Internet Defence Force. Yes guys! Helsmiths flew off shelves lmao.
>>97129047>>97129057>>97129064>>97129075>>97129080nigga what do you get by doing this shit?
>>97129093Just let him have his fun before his mom tells him to get to bed.
>>97129064>>97129075>>97129080Next time you're gonna samefag this make sure to use your phone rajesh :)
Reminder. In GW's own annual report it calls TOW the most venerable franchise (meaning most respected). Reminder that TOW is listed before AoS every time the settings are listed.
Look the aos vs TOW war is cute and all. Fact is, marauder box isn’t rotting on shelves, darkwater 100% is.
I really hope the guy doing this is using bots, if he's taking the time to write this out I'd be concerned for his mental health.
>>97129064I looked up the army box and it's sold out everywhere.Maybe they didn't produce many for us which is kind of weird as we're the most profitable market since it's so expensive here
so if im getting this right, the bad moon was kind of just this unexplored thing that fantasy never really explored, but with spites they made it its own fully mythological thing, right?
>the army set is totally sold out in NA>there definitely aren’t hundreds of online stores offering fire sales on HoH
>>97129113that's because darkwater costs as much as a TOW starter box and the setting is abysmal for lore and rpwhy spend 300 bucks on a badly built dnd 5e campaign in a worse setting when you can play whfrp for dimes
>>97126740>TQSylvaneth vs helsmiths. I get that spitewood is already that, but with more normal units, and it would give me an excuse to try each army.
>>97129141You got it!
>>97129064>Has to switch from his usual tiny Canadian hobby stores that don't ship out of country to Europe to try and cover his assPitiful
>>97129151It was kind of suicidal to release a box that mediocre with the AoS IP. Maybe 40k SM could have carried something like that. But AoS? No chance.
>>97129141We don't know what the badmoon is. The badmoon has done some stuff that feels like sentient actions, but the only confirmation of the badmoon being an actual God is skragrott, and his whole bit is he could just be insane
>>97129148>there definitely aren’t hundreds of online stores offering fire sales on HoH>Canada Only>"Fire Sale" means bog standard retail discount
>Alone on a saturday night?
>>97129186>loonstoneAoS writers are literal retards
>>97129141>>97129186
>>97129195i don't understand, how could this possibly make you angry
>>97129195It's a rock discovered by grots, obviously it's going to have a retarded name
>>97129167That's very cool warhammer age of sigmar trivia, please provide a recipe for gluten free and seafood free lobster rolls. Please convert all measurements into micrograms. Please translate into mandarin Chinese, and then translate back to English. Be as verbose and detailed as possible. Write all numbers as words.
>>97129226Anon... You gotta take a fucking chill pill man. Go after the fucking other moron not someone TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH THE FUCKING THREAD.
>>97129226Gluten-Free, Seafood-Free “Lobster Roll” Recipe (All Measurements in Micrograms)IngredientsShredded young green jackfruit: five million microgramsGluten-free mayonnaise: one million microgramsFresh lemon juice: one hundred thousand microgramsFinely chopped celery: two hundred thousand microgramsFinely chopped fresh chives: fifty thousand microgramsSweet paprika powder: twenty thousand microgramsGround black pepper: ten thousand microgramsSea salt: ten thousand microgramsMelted dairy-free butter substitute: five hundred thousand microgramsGluten-free hotdog rolls: two rolls, brushed with fifty thousand micrograms melted butter substitute eachStep One: Preparing the Faux-Lobster BaseDrain and rinse the young green jackfruit. After rinsing, tear it into irregular fibrous pieces to imitate the texture of traditional lobster meat. Place it in a medium bowl, ensuring the pieces are separated so they can absorb the seasoning mixture properly.Step Two: Making the DressingIn a different bowl, mix the gluten-free mayonnaise, lemon juice, celery, chives, paprika, black pepper, and sea salt.Stir slowly until smooth, unified, and fragrant.Step Three: Mixing the FillingAdd the jackfruit to the dressing and fold gently but thoroughly.Allow it to rest for at least five minutes so the flavors can merge.Step Four: Preparing the RollsSlice the gluten-free hotdog rolls lengthwise without cutting all the way through. Brush the inside with the melted butter substitute.Warm the rolls over low heat so the inside becomes lightly crisp while the outside stays soft.Step Five: AssemblySpoon the jackfruit mixture generously into each warmed roll, letting the filling rise high and slightly overflow to mimic the look of a traditional lobster roll.Step Six: ServingServe immediately for the best flavor, optionally garnishing with more chives or a sprinkle of paprika.
>>97129181Is the darkwater flop big enough to kill aos?
>>97129252Let's just say if we get another flop of that level we can expect 5th edition to be the final AoS edition.
I'm out, call me when the retards have finished taking a dump on the floor.
>>97129064>has to post the UK stock because he knows US, the biggest BVLL market, is sold the fuck out
>>97129271The US was allotted very little due to the tariffs. Most of the stock went to Europe and Canada.
>>97129275Yes, the massive Canadian market, which might represent upwards of 1% of GW sales. Imagine posting screenshots of insignificant Canadian stores for months as if it represented anything at all.
>>97129263Honestly I agree, I’d say a majority of aos releases in 4th edition have been major fucking flops. Only the death rattle release wasn’t. Combined with the absolutely massive scale of the flop that is darkwater, aos may be in some serious trouble. Rumor is he is very capricious with settings not selling well.
I told you all the pajeet would start spamming about darkwater flopping instead of HoH as soon as it got revealed lmao
>>97129275
>>97129287Don't bother, people checked the third worlder app he was using and all the listings he shows are showing as sold out if you click into them and he still keeps spamming it, just report and ignore
>>97129296Anon, we've been over this. There's no rule against exposing the HoH flopping
>>97129290I wish jannies were real
>>97129290This thread is normally pretty nice, it's like I'm on a nice train ride then someone's baby starts crying and throwing a fit.
>>97129266Not an airport you don't have to announce your departure.
>>97129305They don't announce departures at airports
>>97129290Did Darkwater sell out in your area? I am legit wondering because all my local stores still have plenty.
>>97129300What proof is there of this
>>97129319You don't need to prove a rule not existing you need to prove a rule exists.
>>97129320I mean HoH flopping not the rule
>>97129300Keep crying mohindur
>>97129323The investors report
>>97129335Show us the line that says helsmiths undersold. Not paraphrased. A screenshot of the investor report. You should be able to do that right?
NTA I am not trying to poison the well but I think Darkwater is going to be a flop.
>>97129342I am not going to spoonfeed you shit faggot. It's right there in plain English. If you can even read.
>>97129301Jannies will ban you for on topic discussion of /tg/ related topics, but extremely obvious shitposting, flamewaring, and 3rdies having a melty about Kashmir are all perfectly acceptable for /tg/. inb4 another butthurt janny bans me for this post instead of rangebanning the canada-jeet
>>97129349Where. What page. I've got it open right now.
>>97129363To be fair anon, the annual report only covers until June 2025. You’ve been baited
>>97129346I think most people think it's pretty underwhelming, none of the main heroes feel very unique to AoS, the setting is pretty whatever, the book quality for the maps is questionable and it's mostly Nurgle units, which most people find gross and unappealing. I'm asssuming they know this is a pretty niche product and didn't make that many copies of it but time will tell if they still overpredicted or not.
>>97129360I honestly don't know what he gets out of this. He gets BTFO'd every time and seems to get pissed about it, so it can't be masochism unless he likes getting mad, too.
>>97129363>>97129367Kek pwned
>>97129370The problem with dark water is it’s so damn expensive, too expensive for aos. Make it 40k and have captain Titus as a character and it would sell out immediately. Also doesn’t help that the game itself looks kind of shitty.
>>97129367>>97129375>I was just pretending to be retardedEbin troll XD
>>97129378I’m nta just I’m just laughing along
>>97129372Only person I've seen seethe like this in aosg was the goatslopper and he reacts the exact same way when he gets btfo
>>97129376you cant sell it to the board game crowd because $250 is too steep even for people who collect those big box boutique board games, and most board game collectors dont want to paint or build minisyou cant sell it to aos players because it contains like half a spearheads worth of guys and a handful of kinda underwhelming hero models for almost twice the price of a spearheadyou can maybe sell it to the 40k deathguard crowd because they'll pay $75 for a single new plague marine sculpt
>>97129386I think we can all agree that we all liked the idea of Darkwater more so than Darkwater itself.
Really aos does need a major hit to counteract some of these underwhelming releases. I also do think TOW is having some of aos’s lunch, as people wanting high elves aren’t forced to buy LRL, like they were at that armies launch. Directly competing competition means aos needs to up their game a bit, especially with the designer for the vhordrai mini moving to TOW.
>>97129386>you cant sell it to aos players because it contains like half a spearheads worth of guys and a handful of kinda underwhelming hero models for almost twice the price of a spearheadI mean you can, and they have with every other whq release. People like having little side projects that don't involve keeping up to date with army rules and stuff
>>97129395Well it was gw that made the actual dark water different than our idea of it. Price that box at 180-200$ and we wouldn’t be having this discussion about it flopping.
>>97129398At this point we’re going to need a dramatic miracle to turn this ship around. TOW is going from strength to strength with the new models selling out, while a majority of AoS major releases this year flopped. And this is TOW without major support. 1-2 years from now AoS will be in trouble if things don’t improve.
>>97129386>you cant sell it to the board game crowd because $250 is too steepHow much does Gloomhaven cost? Descent? Oathsworn? Darkest Dungeon? Fucking retard stfu
>>97129408>strength to strengthAre you going to pretend that fantasy players all went out and bought 6 hot air balloons lmao
>>97129412Yeah but those are good games, Darkwater sucks ass even shills don’t try to glaze it
>>97129408Idk if you’re a thread shit stirrer, but I do sort of agree. Obviously it’s not a popular thing to bring up, but it should be a genuine concern. I guess we just have to see what TOW brings to the table in 2026 as Cathay clearly was a test for that system, and if it did poorly then it also could be the last major release TOW ever has.
>>97129412It's a bot samefagging itself. It's all 2mins apart>>97129408>>97129398>2mins>>97129395>>97129386>2mins
>>97129418You wouldn't know either way, retard, you think board games are all priced like monopoly and snakes and ladders
>>97129419We know for TOW from reliable sources now that in the near future they have >6 more Cathay kits >6 more warriors of chaos kits >Kislev I am worried because this last year was TOW being spun up and mostly nostalgia bait, yet TOW is still exploding. If next year brings all new models at a good pace then AoS is going to have to really step it up to compete.
>>97129412gloomhaven is up for $50-100 on ebay and descent looks like its going for between $70-120 on ebaythese arent even in the same ballpark as darkwater
>>97129416This is the funniest shit
>>97129427Genuinely the solution would be to lean hard into spearhead, that seems to be the highlight of 4e so far.
>>97129412Frosthaven was around $200 on release, and that shit came in a box the size of a small dresser and twice as heavy. $255 is VERY high even by premium board game standards, and Darkwater isn't really premium in any respect except the models.
>>97129429>ebay used sales for legacy games aren't as expensive as an unreleased GW game c'mon retard tourist
>>97129427>exploding>most of next years ToW releases barely comparable in size to the Nurgle update in January
>>97129442how much is darkwater on ebay? come on, if its flopping it must be cheap right?
>>97129436Spearhead is the great hope pill. I know that even if TOW ends up replacing AoS and it stops being a mainline game, spearhead will exist as a specialist game that they will make kits for. It’s simply too popular to ever squat.
>>97128115You still haven't posted your models, we're all waiting with bated breath.
>>97129318Yep. Ausfag. None of our LGS or independent stockists have any left.DESU am pretty surprised, I was considering it but didn't want to pay $300 as I don't think it's worth it
>>97129455>ebay Ahahahahahaha. I just looked it up. In the entire world on eBay. 16 copies of Darkwater sold. 16! Copies for the planet on eBay AHAHAHHAHAHAHAhttps://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=warhammer+quest+darkwater&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_pgn=1
discord is constantly saying age of smegmar is flopping and I do believe it when there's joke "+1 dice if you have a moustache" rules and dwarve women don't even have beards anymore? blatant disregard for the lore and stormcast women now too? yikes that's a floperino for sure
>>97129466>16 Darkwater boxes globally Holy shit that is actually the worst flop I’ve ever seen on eBay for a big GW box.
>>97129466what the fuck third world currency is that?
>>97129466Why would anyone buy those scalped copies?
>>97129466>16 global salesNot a flop sisters…how did it end up like this…
>>97129466>>97129471>1 minute apartObvious samefag continues to obviously samefag
>>97129466Because most people bought it from an LGS and it hasn't been released yet
>>97129466>16 Oh no no no
>>97129451I think he means just people starting the game. Anecdotal evidence here I know, but at my lgs at the start of the year there was no old world scene, like literally just two guys in the connected shop an hour and a half away. Literally fucking exploded in the last year, where on the aos/old world thread in the stores discord server, all I see is fucking old world. Craziest thing is the store manager was actually 100% on aos’s side of the war, so it happening just seems even crazier to me.
>go check wfg>posts are 30 minutes apart eachi guess someones mad their game is dead
here's how we can still save Age of Sigmar>Sexy skaven ladiesthank you for your time
>>97129466>it's real
>>97129499Is the word for what this is “flop”, or does something like this warrant a different word.
>>97129502Yeah I think it's safe to call it a flop.
>>97129490They were all totally gonna buy new tomb kings and bretonnians if gw made them but they killed fantasy so they couldn't. Then gw made new tomb king and brotnnoians and they didn't buy them, but they would totally buy cathay but they couldn't because gw didn't make them. Then gw made cathay and they didn't buy them, but they would totally buy norsca but they can't cause gw didn't make them. Then gw made norsca and they won't buy them as demonstrated by their totally dedicated general/subreddits/game but they would totally buy new dark elves but they cant because gw doesn't make them
>>97129504With how many boxes they apparently made, this is more than a simple flop. This would sink any indie company ten times over.
>>97129505It's alright. They'll kill their game yet again. Gw is just keeping them in a holding pattern to milk them by selling them 80$ boxes of goblin wolf riders from moulds they paid off 30 times over lmfao. If you're a fantasy player, and you haven't paid for the rulebook, and haven't bought any new units since old world launch, then gw doesn't know you're playing their game
>>97129517>16
>>97129505the dark elf bit is funny because the majority of the range is still there but because they weren't into fantasy before TW they think they're AoS models
>>97129519>looking at sales numbers before the release date of a productYou're not really clever are you
Please anons chip in and help AoS. If you buy just 1 box of Darkwater off ebay you are increasing global Darkwater ebay sales by 6.25%
>>97129519Have you bought anything for your favorite gw game since launch anon? Or are you running half painted ebay rescues from 15 years ago? Does gw know you like their product and would like more in the future?
>>97129526If the darkwater flop is even half as bad as it appears to be, there are going to be some uncomfortable conversations happening in Nottingham if there haven’t been already.
>>97129529I am NOT buying Darkwater, and ya wanna know why?I'm still recovering from the christmas box and the discontinued warcry set and probably won't buy any more major products until mid to late january
>>97129534I assume he's a young wargamer who just got into the hobby in since COVID. He probably hasn't seen how games die yet.
>>97129466people still use ebay?
Hey jannies, hope you're having a good goon session or having fun kissing penises with your uvula or whatever it is you do on friday nights but could you maybe put a tablespoon of effort into the volunteer position you definitely care about for more reasons than being able to delete the posts that disagree with you. That'd be great
>>97129556when will we get more lumineth furries
>>97129557Idk but if they're all giantesses I will absolutely run oops all battlemommys
>>97129556>JANNY HE IS LAUGHING AT 16 DARKWATER BOXES SELLING JANNY BAN HIM NOW JANNY GIMME BINKY
>the website for third party resales has low sales for a non-FOMO Specialist Studio sidegame product before it has even reached shelves inDEED it is over, AoSisters, i'm buying square bases as we speak
>>97129562Sent that freak flying.
>>97129567>Sent that freak flying.>>97126628>Sent that freak flying
>>97129575Bodied that freak.
>>97129580he does it all day
>>97129583Looks like he's whipped you all into a state of cowering.
>>97129427I'm so sad that Norsca is getting forced into chaos, instead of getting it's own faction. Zero chance of any cool troll or mammoth models. I don't get the hype for kislev, the coolest unit they're getting is a bear. >>97129517Their strategy for TOW is so stupid. No one new is going to buy arcane journals, they're going to be confused why there's only 3 factions on the shelf to pick from. They should have refreshed more of the factions, models sell games, not rulebooks.
>>97129525None of the dark elf models get put on actual store shelves because those models are 2 decades old. I vastly prefer fantasy dark elves to DoK but until they update the sculpts no one's going to pick them up. The kharabidys is so cool but then you see the rest of the models and interest in the faction dies.
>Darkwater clearly catering to the WHF audience >FLOP TOWsisters... I don't feel so good
>>97129602If Valrak is correct then they've reversed course on the Legacy factions for TOW. That doesn't mean Dark Elves are coming back to TOW and will eventually get refreshed, but they are one of the most likely first armies to rejoin.
Why is does this thread get raided so hard by TOWfags? What's the point? Why do they need to do this when their TOW is so extremely "popular"?
>>97129602I thought you guys love the hecking soulerino and potatosackpilled models? Why would you need new models for fantasy, you have everything you need already
>>97129613I am not certain it is them. They've also been raided a lot this week. I hang out in all the GW major gens except for 40k.
>>97129613>Why do they need to do this when their TOW is so extremely "popular"?You have uncovered the reasoning in your own question
>>97129617they don't get raided anywhere near as bad as we do, hence their slow ass threads. and /40kg/ just has homegrown retardation
>>97129621>they don't get raided anywhere near as bad as we doProbably the totasl war reveals this week I reckon.
>>97129613I don't know. If anything it's motivation to stay on task painting my models and not posting or being distracted by other things. At the end I'll be happy and have painted models. Two things the raiders will never have.
>>97129613It's likely a secondary of tabletop games in general. The low effort deflecting is covering up a lack of knowledge otherwise we'd be hearing about how well certain lists and products are doing in fantasy, what the two products do differently. But instead he just runs around in circles saying nothing
it's simple, no one wants to play Heroquest with added "you get +1 attack if you dance" or "you win it you have a bugger beard" rules give us true gamers the depth of experience you would find in a game like total war and I'll buy it
>>97129613So this entire meltdown that's been going on in this thread today is likely from one of the /40kg/ shitstirrers as /40/kg has been almost completely dead since the tw reveal, aside from when there were meltdowns going on about DOW. Even more interesting, when those meltdowns over DOW were going down, all the tow shitstirring slowed down.
>>97129617>>97129619>>97129627>>97129628Thanks for answers and also ignoring my fuck up. I was writing a different sentence and forgot to correct that.
>>97129629You have to go back>>>/v/
>>97129629>you get +1 attack if you danceSounds fun.
>>97129629>the only thing he knows about aos are the joke rules from 10 years ago that were removed before the game was 6 months oldDamn so do you get all your warhammer news from YouTube shorts on the wayback machine or what?
>>97129610Which valrak video does he say that. I’m already fucking pissed beasts of chaos moved over.
>>97129640You may have fucked up but it's still a higher quality post than any of the raiders.Also I hate those exact fuckups when I change the way I'm going to say a certain thing and leave in the old words lmao.
>>97129654Don’t deadname Beastmen anon
>>97129654>I’m already fucking pissed beasts of chaos moved over.No you aren't. Nobody played beasts. It might as well have been a white dwarf supplement because it was just sitting on the store shelves collecting dust. They even tried to save it via warcry monsters using the cygor and still nobody gave a fuck
I kind of had the wind knocked out of my sail seeing the 16 sales being real. Is AoS really floundering that bad!?
>>97129668BoC are getting refreshed. Don't be a shill faggot >umn actually it's good GW squatted Sacrosanct
>>97129668This is a hard cope, but I won't kick you while you are down. Beasts of Chaos were undeniably the heart and soul of AoS. To have them stolen away forever by our rival and mortal enemy TOW, it's a reality that is hard to face stoically.
>>97129678>BoC are getting refreshedYeah anon. Morhur BoC are coming back. Just ignore that the only new character introduced for Beastmen in TOW is a bray shaman who's entire purpose is to search for the reincarination of Morghur.
>>97129505Serves GW right
>>97129678Why would a faction that nobody plays or cares about get a refresh. >umn actually it's good GW squatted SacrosanctYou mean all the fatcast? The models that were pretty universally clowned on by large portions of warhammer fans and then even more so when dominion released and they were clearly dated? Those models? The ones people didn't like compared to the new ones? Yeah. That's a good thing. They should be deleting products that aren't selling well or have been replaced. There is no point to refreshing things that have proven to be utter failures for their entire history as an aos product
>>97129684That's related how? The supplement says they'll return and the last narrative snippet had Ghorraghan escape with the primordial goop that is Morghur. >b-but a resin character from TOW We already know the non-plastic releases are temporary and GW has already replaced the Tomb Kings liche priest. Beyond irrelevant. They didn't have this resin mould sitting on the shelves for BoC lmao
>>97129699I feel sorry for you anon. If that's what you need to believe, I won't hold it against you.
>>97129694>all the fatcastTourist much?
>>97129707Yes we've been calling them that since they dropped dominion
>>97129715>Vandus>Dracoths>Prime >Vanguard chamber entirely TOURIST
>>97129715they're now slimcast and silver instead of fat and gold, this is because they ran out of gold paint
>>97129724Yeah a handful stuck around, clearly the stuff they'd like to refresh more than likely. But the stuff that nobody was buying anymore got swept into the trash.
>>97129703NOOOOO THEY'RE LYING GW WOULDN'T JUST SQUAT AN ARMY AND THEN REFRESH THEM LATER!!! >High Elves >Gitmob >Wanderers >Dispossessed
>>97129724You've no models beastlarper and you've no ground to stand on calling people tourist
>>97129739You don't even know what was squatted
>>97129735So do you own a playable beasts army for any ruleset or is this just seething by proxy
>>97129762Yeah I'm not sitting around staring at my ceiling all night with the chart of all the squatted kits flashing in my vision. I don't play stormcast so I could not tell you exactly which ones went away and which stayed, because I never really cared about them. I also have never met a single person with 2000pt beast army and therefore dont really remember the names of all the units that got removed, but luckily they removed all of the beast kits that werent selling, so i dont need to keep track. >waawaa tourist touristYour turn beastlarper. Show us those half painted beast men. You at least have those don't you?
now that the dust has settled, why did beasts of chaos flop? they even ported cancelled AoS storylines to TOW >>97129735 which features a named hero seeking morghur
>>97129780the absolute irony of a spiderfang player celebrating boc getting squatted
>>97129783Same reason anything flops, everyone is ok with the products themselves. Its just when the age of sigmar logo is slapped on there, it scares everyone away.
>>97129787My spiders will probably be squatted yes. But I still bought them because I like the models enough build and paint them. I bought them from the firestorm allies and did so fully assuming they'd be put into legends when we moved to 2ed like they did with the old stuff in 8th 40k. But I got to play to play them for 8 years, and I'm still playing them now, and that's pretty good for what I've sunk into the army. And I'm gonna keep playing them once they move to legends, and then if they stop updating those then I'll proxy them as something else. Because I like the models.
It’s cope to think the beasts of chaos are coming back. AOS already has enough armies to stretch the studio thin with new books and releases. I do fear though that we haven’t seen the last of major squattings from aos, I consider anything that uses old whfb miniatures as at risk. And if rumors are go be believed, half of the FS range as well.
>>97129838BoC would be cool to have back, but Chaos is a bloated faction imo. Put them in Destruction or make a new Death faction. They're both neglected in different ways.
>>97126740Soon
>>97129824no one gives a fuck. they'd be in TOW if they weren't racist because because no one bought them for AOSI'll be glad when they're gone because they're dated and imo GSG is bloated without them
>>97129844There don’t need to be any new aos factions other than lore essential ones imo. We know there are new dispossessed on the way that basically replace FS, and there still is malerions crew. But other than that, cap it off there, and expand the armies that already exist.
>>97129850Why is aos so infested with tranny faggots
>>97129838I'd like a new destruction faction. But realistically I also have zero ideas for anything cool, and every idea I've heard I either don't think sounds very cool or like it wouldn't be better as a microfaction for its initial launch so it doesn't go through the IDK/fyreslayers treatment of infinite heroes and no units. Obviously they could split IJ and KB, but you'd need to drop probably 3 kits minimum for each for them to really have enough variety in playstyle.
>>97129850You could have played your beasts this whole time. You can still play your beasts
>>97129864Destruction really has all its main classic Warhammer archetypes. Ogres,Orruks/orcs, grots/goblins, ogres, and gargants. In theory you could release a new destruction army but imo all four of those being refreshed have it nailed down. And split KB and ironjawz into their own armies too.
>>97129868I do. How does that change what GW published? I guess it won't count when they refresh Phoenix Temple either, right?
There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the future I’m afraid. Aos had essentially free rein over all of gws fantasy ips, which it floundered on updating and properly bringing into aos. Now those ideas have been stolen from aos, and we’ll never see what they could’ve been. Hats off for BOC, spiderfang, multi-race COS, bonesplitterz, etc.
>>97129892>BOC, spiderfang, multi-race COS, bonesplitterz, etcnobody played those
>>97129879It doesn't, but why should what gw published stop you from playing with models you like. They're gone cause they didn't sell great. Just run them. If you don't want to run legends scrolls because the game is more important then run them as std, or bok, or whatever. They are models bro. Put them on the table and run them around.
>>97129909Who said I'm not doing that? They got a faction pack like everything else and if power creep is an issue in 5th I'll just use StD warscrolls. This doesn't change that we're probably getting a refresh in a Gavespawn direction later. You can cry and piss your pants all you want but that's what GW have hinted at and it's the standard operating procedure.
>>97129854I'd also take that, honestly. Destruction is mostly suffering from old models (like 90% of Ogors) and Death just feels small because it's 4 armies compared to everyone else having double. Models would help at least there.
I'm glad BoC are gone I've never seen one played locally so they probably didn't sell well for GW We know Kragnos was a reworked BoC miniature so that says it all
>>97129922One of the actually legitimate arguments I see against aos is the fact it still doesn’t have a clear identity of what it wants to be. To accomplish that, you need the established factions that get developed further and not just left to rot. I know there are folks who want refreshes for the existing armies as well as new ranges, but the fact is gw has limited resources, time being the main one. For aos to develop as the setting, the current group of armies needs to largely remain constant.
>>97129920They also hinted at a spider incarnate but that didn't turn out. We've heard a lot about grotbag scuttlers and silent ones and rootkings as well in little lore blurbs. They aren't a guarantee of anything. It's just cope to assume otherwise until you see a plastic model
>>97129929My schizo theory was that him, and all the ogoroids along with dragon ogres were intended to be one big army that they scrapped
>>97129937Rootkings are a background element of Reynolds novels. That's not comparable to official material lmao
>>97129940Nta but they're mentioned in the 3ed battletome
played spearhead finally, it was actually fun. If the setting wasn't so shit I'd look at bigmar but I'm really struggling to find a reason to ever play more than just spearhead
>>97129974Spearhead is great. Just run that for now until they get 4ed figured out or we move to 5th
>>97129974Give it 3-4 years and spearhead will be moved to the Fantasy IP (after they squat AoS)
now that the dust has settled, why did Spearhead flop?
>>97129998Old world got 6 more players than warhammer underworlds this year at world Champs, you've got a while to go before you're replacing rulesets lil bro
Now that the dust has settled, why did TOW flop?
>>97130043At the end of the day, people liked the idea of tow more than tow itself
>>97130043Nobody played TOW. It might as well have been a white dwarf supplement because it was just sitting on the store shelves collecting dust. They even tried to save it via cathay and still nobody gave a fuck
First paint on a mini in 2 years, feels good
>>97130135This but unironically
>>97130144Naisu
>>97130043People liked the idea of TOW more than the actual TOW.
>>97130144Here's what I got for today. Good night and I'll see you guys tomorrow.
>total war releases yet another scraping the barrel dlc>turns out to be boring slop again>aosg raided 2 days laterReally gets the noggin joggin. Was a fun read though.
I think it was just one really bored anon. If thats how he wants to spend his weekend its fine with me.
>>97130415Eh, at least it's AoS models for people to rip and convert to STLs I suppose. I'm all for a cheaper possble Nagash ngl
>>97129148>space marinesisters...our days are numbered...I can believe darkwater doing badly but HoH flopping has always been cope, the army set sold out on the gw webstore in under 5 minutes. You can still find leviathan boxes on this third worlder app, it worthless as a metric for sales.
>>97129613There have always been trolls and always will be trolls, it's 4chan. The issue is that 4e's blandness drove away a lot of the casual players who might come and post here, leaving only the diehards and trolls which makes the trolls seem louder.There's a reason these threads became a lot more dogshit when 4e dropped.
>>971300433rd worlders can't pay 1st world prices
>>97129937This thing isn't a spider Anon. It's a dude with a skull face. There's 1 re-used art of it.
>>97128411I don't think tw aos is coming anytime soon, not while they're busy with 40k or whatever now. I can see them shit out a saga game or something go test the waters in 3-4 years though.>>97128432Yes lol, lots of them. Not to risk reopening this can of worms but total war brought in a fuckton of secondaries. It's not a call of duty tier game but within the strategy sphere it's part of the big three (together with civ and paradox). For example, the total war warhammer subreddit is bigger and twice as active as the warhammer fantasy one. And that's not even mentioning the normal total war one, which is 99% warhammer posts anyway. Sometimes not even related to total war at all lol. Similarily, take a look at /twg/. They barely talk about the game anymore, it's just warhammer this or that. The historical players hate it, and funnily enough constantly complain about /tg/ taking over their general. Keep in mind, twg moves at a pace that makes 40k look slow. They get more posts in an hour than /wfg/ (or us for that matter) get in a day.Now, how many of these secondaries have actually translated into model sales, nevermind consistent ones? Painting 20 halberdiers just to be able to field one unit is a different beast compared to just loading up karl franz campaign #154. But if it's even a fraction of a fraction, it would've brought more fresh blood into whfb than the previous decade combined.
Today is the last day for the Maggotkin tome to be announced if it's to release within the year. But the announcement isn't coming today. They're gonna keep us waiting until 2026.
Any kind soul willing to share 2ed and 3ed Sons of Behemat battletomes?
>>97130712They usually skip on new releases in december, no? I just assumed it would be a january thing.
>>97130809Iirc the TOW Empire stuff was announced for preorder very late December last year. But generally no actual releases after Christmas, yes
>>97130043I think 2026 will be a very interesting year for you lmao. And this board as a whole.
>>97130868nah tow getting sacked won't be that interesting
>>97130900New Warriors of chaos directly competing with aos will though. Cannibalizing one of the most popular armies for aos will make me laugh.
>>97130924I'm sure those 10 people that bought WoC will make a huge impact on StD sales
What's the deal with Kragnos? He's a general without army. Expensive centerpiece with nothing to build around him thematically. Did Games Workshop design Kragnos for a Destruction overhaul that never materialized?
>>97130934We probably will never know the details of why Kragnos exists in the state he does. Thankfully it's easier to simply ignore him now.
>>97130934we don't know and can't know, but they have left open the option for his ancient people to have survived, so it's possible that they will give him an army of centaurs to call his home
>>97130929I mean I guess we’ll just have to see in 2026 won’t we
>>97130934>>97130946I think once you look deeper into things the evidence goes against the idea, but I can't blame people for thinking kraggy was some boc character that got scrapped because of the tow/aos divorce. >introduced at the end of 2nd, heralds new edition themed around ghur/destruction/beasts>does absolutely fuckall during said 'era of the beast'>gets put in a cuckcage offscreen by kroak, promptly forgotten about once 4th rolls aroundLike what the fuck was going on in 3rd edition man, what a shitshow.Anyway, Drogrukh Stampede™ will be your new battletome in 5th, you heard it here first.
>>97130962>they will give him an army of centaursNobody wants that.
>>97129874>>97129864I think the only real archetype missing from destruction is a devouring swarm of locusts type insectoid race (Silent People). Essentially a fantasy version of Tyranids as a devouring force of nature out of balance with the current natural forces.
Where are all the other gods of the realms? Sure Nagash ate a bunch of the ones in Shyish, but that's a single realm. Surely the others would have their own deities.
>>97131025>a devouring force of natureThe problem with that is the thematic overlap with ogors. I think they could work but they need a little something besides just eating.
>>97131035I think the ogor refresh more than anything will lean them much more in that direction. Rumors say they’re giving up black powder and maneaters(probably future iterations of those concepts will be in COS) and the great maw will come back as some eldritch hungering entity.
>>97131051Maneaters are rumored to be refreshed after the ogor wave
>>97131010nobody wants a lot of shit that gw nonetheless puts out, especially for aoskragnos being one
>>97131051Leadbelchers going to CoS would be cool, but not at the cost of them going from ogres.
>>97126871I lost interest in Warhammer Quest when it became clear that the heroes would not become generic characters in various armiesI only ever viewed them as sample platters, not actual board games
>>97129505>Then gw made new tomb kingExcept they FORGOT TO UPDATE THE CORE TROOP SKELETONS THAT EVERYONE HATEDProbably *the* reason TK didn't sell well, and they did nothing to ameliorate it.
Are there examples of humans going mad from exposure to the bad moon?
>>97131132I'm fairly sure it was a concious decision because, believe it or not, a lot of people like the dogshit old tk skellies for some reason. GW most likely just overestimated the number of tww secondaries that would actually buy miniatures. I can't really blame them either, if you weren't around when wfb was actually alive it's highly likely you will not like those 20+ year old sculpts too much. Maybe those retards were thinking they'd remake everything from scratch to look exactly like in tww or something lmaoI'm one of the people that actually bought TKs after TOW launch so I'm happy. It can get killed next year now for all I care.
Everyone just loves Zharr Vyxa.
>>97131162i guess when all is said and done, people just like the idea of the Forge Anathema more than the Forge Anathema itself
>>97129064The sight of the bale taurus and dominator make me so mad it's pathologicalI did not want a subversive take on chorfs
>>97131159As much as it would make this board happy, gw isn’t going to kill fantasy for a second time. If fantasy was going to die, it needed to stay in the ground for another decade.
>>97131162everyone loves classic chaos dwarfs
>>97131152Isn't that basically what the bad moon novel is all about
>>97131213a couple fakegrog secondary trolls from a bangladeshi kite making forum is not "everyone", anon
>>97131225I dont have it, I kinda just want to see an excerpt on it.
>>97131061>>97131096Maneaters will be removed and moved back to the Old World for the Cathay wave, Ogor Mawtribes will be refreshed and old models phased out
I actually really like the Annointed Sentinels.
>>97131385The scorched sect as a whole is a really cool addition to chorfs that I hope they flesh out more. The llamasu tease does point in that direction I suppose.
>>97131437>>97131385An infantry unit like the Infernal Cohort musician could be possible
>>97131385>>97131460Why did they squat the Horns of Hashut and then go on to make models wearing similar garb
>>97131480Because warcry was a fucking flop
>>97131385Insults to Nandi, companion to great Shiva. No wonder AoS is dying, they bloody insult their own customer base with cultural insensitivity like this
So are seraphon, loomies, slaanesh and dok the only factions without concrete rumours for this edition? Any guesses as to what they'd get, even if just a pity hero?
>>97131604dok are getting at least khadron tier wave, slaanesh is just getting a pity hero. 5th edition is expected to be the year of the elf.
>>97131604slaanesh have a pity hero as rumorlumineth have a cryptic hint about hoethserp uns have nothing
painting my self insert
>>97131604The only faction without any rumours is the Seraphonlumineth: Something to do with HoethSlaanesh: Pity heroDok:new DoK minis will have dual builds to be built for Morathi or Krethusa
>>97131624based homosexual
>>97131624There's something funny about watching people denurglifying models, and this guy has been through the fucking winger.
>>97131672? you think it's too shiny ?maybe i should go full tmm for the next one, closer to the vt2 lootk
So number one rumor for new release in 2026 is a new dispossessed range introduced. God help aos if that flops thoug. Would be very bad.
>>97131703Did you miss the massive cos and ogre leaks, not to mention the eshin spearhead shit? If anything dorfs are a 2027 thing.
>>97131697No no, he looks fine and im looking forward to seeing him being done, im just saying that model in particular has been converted to look like just another knight but without the chaos corruption. I wish I had some pics to share but im mobile posting sadly.
>>97131710Yes I know about those as well, I think dispossessed are potentially the heaviest hitters of the group when it comes to sales potential
>>97131710>>97131703yeah dwarves arent until the end of the edition. Eshin and cos are sometime before summer, we're thinking late spring.
>>97131200That's my problem with them, I actually love most of it but I don't like the purely mechanical Taurus. That model was legitimately amazing, I own a recast of it and I was excited to see something similar in plastic. I genuinely do think the infantry, bull centaurs, and most foot heroes look very much like a straight refresh
>>97131495What the fuck, that's pretty specific ball knowledge. This is like Cotton Hill saying "you're laoatian, aintcha"
>>97131719Mhm, I think in theory that'd be CoS.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zispb7vp/sunday-preview-festive-squig-clothing-returns/Officially in the waiting for Christmas to be over phase for pre-orders.
>>97131624Can you post a picture that doesn't have the contrast and exposure all fucked up so I can actually see the mini?
>>97131757better ?
>>97131711Anon that model is totally unconverted
>>97131753these squiq clothes are so half assed, I'd much rather some squig slippers that look like their eating your feet that these trash socks and hoodie that look like they were made for 25 cents in a thai sweatshop.
>>97131825>high ponytail on a nurgle unitThis feels wrong.
>>97131641>seraphon the only ones without ANY rumours.An affront to the great plan it is.>>97131918Gw loves their chaos ponytails. One of the constants of the universe.
>>97131918Dude if you're this new to Knight of the Prolaps than you're in for 1 more surprise
>>97129850>racistPeople like you are why this communities opinion among non AoS players is in the toilet
>>97132093Nta but who gives a shitIn any case, his argument has more to do with gw's perception of the minis as 'racist'.
>>97132093Yeah. I mean it is what it is, trannies flock to aos for a reason.
>>97132181go back to your containment general, faggot
>>97130868Why? I know they will start to wind down TOW production since it's been such a flop. It's not that interesting
>>97132300How do you know exactly?
Don't engage in consolewarring. It's unbecoming.
>>97131672I love it. I prefer the salet helm ones to the goblin bascinets though
>>97131825I think he just means that the model is popular with people trying to make normal knights out of them, not that anon's specific model was converted.
>>97132088oh yeah i think i get >>97131647 now he bottomed for tamurkhan one time too many
>>97132336This. Being threatened by TOW doing well is nonsensical. It means more quality proxies for us. INB4 >a…actually I prefer Darkoath to the new TOW marauders Ok. Sure buddy.
>>97132336I want both games to do well because I like them both. This retarded tribalism is so fucking tiring and anyone participating in it in any way, shape or form is an absolute cretin that deserves to die.
I nabbed a box of the Mauraders to use with my darkoath, here’s a size comparison if anyone was interested
>>97132527Where's the guy on the left from? Is that a savager with a headswap or something?
>>97132527Mine just shipped today lmao. I deserve it for choosing the cheapest option.
>>97132532Yeah it’s a Savager with a head swap and I’ve given him a shield, any helmeted marauder heads that are spare will end up on my remaining unbuilt darkoath
>>97132527That guy looks sick. I am really glad we are getting more classic type Fantasy sculpts from TOW.
>>97132567Looks great anon, I wish normal marauders looked more like the savagers. Fuck they're tall though, how are they compared to warriors?
>>97132580To don’t actually have any warriors, closest I’ve got is the sorcerer lord and he’s a touch bigger then the savager
>>97132496The tribalism naturally emerges because you have two games competing for essentially the same resources
>>97132628Mhm, good to know about the marauders in any case. Thanks for the pic anon, cheers.
>>97132662i'd be really fucking glad to have ToW as a core game so the retarded 3y cycle can fuck off to at least 4
>>97132696>4 years of 4e instead of 3Don't wish that evil on us
>>97132527Why are Savagers so huge what the heck
>>97132662GW could easily pump out tons of stuff for both games, they just choose not to because they know more blue boys make money. I think it's mostly WHFB grognards and TWW3 zoomers being insecure that AoS replaced fantasy and remains the more popular of the two games. I'd gladly play chorfs or vampire coast in TOW if GW bothered to support those factions.
>>97132708The post battletomes campaign books are usually the best part of the edition tbf, it'd just be a year of misc smaller releases and thematic rules. I always hear buzz about 40k's so they could definitely drag them out with that system. AoS is a narrative void though, no one cares how the irrelevant narrative progresses
>>97132720He's the leader, the others are much smaller
Did IDK get anything out of betraying the pact and siding with Morathi? It seems like a terrible deal because IDK are already just barely accepted freaks I don’t see why they would nuke their 2 century long plan of being useful enough to not be genocided unless they actually got something of worth
>>97132819they got the lantern back and a bounty of souls from anvilguardbesides people don't really remember them much anyway
>>97132819They got the Ocarian Lantern filled with Cythai souls. Those Cythai souls are now sacrificed to make Incarnates of the Deep in a way that feels like the souls are wasted for a lesser Eidolon.
>>97132819I thought they just really wanted teclis' lantern back, if that falls in the wrong hands (or equally relevant in this case; stays in the wrong hands) they're kind of fucked.Speaking of, do we have any battletome examples of an idoneth enclave getting attacked? Is any faction but them even capable of deep sea combat? Skaven probably, maybe chorfies too.
>>97132884>Is any faction but them even capable of deep sea combat?yes
>>97132884Skaven drilled into Nautilar and I think another time they drilled straight into the ocean floor and started flooding part of Blight City. OBR walked along the seafloor in one of the Broken Realms short stories(I think it was) when Nighthaunt were attacking a LRL settlement.
Old Chorfs had so much soul. Too bad they butchered them in AoS.
>>97132912we have to go back
>>97132922well you are right, you do have to go back.
>>97132912>>97132922You're a special kind of grog if by 'old chorf' you mean pre-mesopotamian shit.
>>97132928Sent that freak flying.
>>97132912>>97132922You didn't know chorfs existed until their tww dlc got released. Now go back to your containment general.
>>97132945Anon I was playing Warhammer for probably a decade plus before you took your first estrogen pill
>>97132955you do not own any wfb models and you will try to deflect from this fact
>>97132955there are better places to be a chaser than 4chan. Actually thats probably a lie im sure /wfg/ has as many potential candidates for you as /soc/ but still.
>>97132912The Warcry Chorfs are great, shame nothing came of them
>>97132912How's your back doing gramps>>97132971In hindsight it's kind of funny how everyone was worried helsmiths would look too much like the horns of hashut.
>>97132987I mean the Iron Golems and Spire Tyrants or whatever
Kek TGA is abuzz with rumors of a Tomb King vs Wood elf starter set type box with all new models and a revised post FAQ rulebook.Wood elf poster the monkeys paw has curled for you.
>>97132997I am the grog and I think the Iron Golems look great. I would have been happy if they went in that direction.
>>97133012>Wood elf poster the monkeys paw has curled for you.So he gets more wood elves in both AoS and ToW? What's the monkey paw factor here?
>>97132997
>>97133035>What's the monkey paw factor here?It's not like Chaos where you can just proxy wood elves from fantasy for...??? in AoS.
>>97133036BROTHER!
>>97133036Iron Golems would have been a great, chaotic and uniquely AoS aesthetic for the chorfs. Instead some retard who's favorite book is the great gatsby got to go to town with the shit aesthetic they went with.
>>97133046Freeguild, Tree Revs or Kurnothi depending on whether they have regular infantry. No reason the centaurs can't just be wild riders tbhon
>>97133012>tomb kings vs wood elvesHuh? Granted I don't know too much about tow but aren't these two of the more unpopular factions? And weren't tk just in a starter box?
>>97133078Yeah. I love the metal beard, really gives a new meaning to the traditional dwarf pride in it if it's this self forged emblem for how many skulls you caved in with your own weapons or something. Corrupted cultural artefact
>>97133087Wood elves are quite unpopular yes, Tomb Kings are actually upper middle of the pack in terms of popularity. And kinda. The TK army box set exists but that's just for TK. This new box is like a traditional 2 player/2 faction starter set with all new models, unlike the current box, which only has the dragon as a new model.
>>97133103>Wood elves are quite unpopular yesI wonder if that's because of the ancient models. They didn't even get a pity hero with their Arcane Journal, did they?
>>97133103Wait so are they refreshing the ugly ass skellies? That'd be really nice since I held off on buying any but I'll probably need to get a box or two at some point
>>97133012soon?
>>97133105>I wonder if that's because of the ancient modelsLooking at how old ranges are vs popularity in tracked tournaments there isn't really a correlation. I think it's more so that Wood Elves are one of the weakest factions currently, which means they are extra underrepresented in the competitive scene.
>>97133105>They didn't even get a pity hero with their Arcane Journal, did theyThey got one pity hero done in plastic.
>>97133143That's a returning model?
>>97132408and done.i forgot he was dropping a deuce on the base
>>97133168Is it? Well I guess then maybe AI won't be replacing all of us as it continues to be fucking wrong like half the time.
>>97133122Wood Elves were never popular, even in WHFB, even after just getting a big range update. I think it's partially a playstyle issue. Helfs and Delfs are usually strong as fuck and have lots of options, while Wood Elves are usually weak and only viable using really boring hide and seek or skirmishing strats.
>>97133103>tomb kings are actually middle of the packAgain not my game but they don't seem too common in my area, their box is languishing compared to the bret one. When I looked at some polls they trended towards the bottom, under some legacy factions even. Picrel is from earlier this year for example.Personally I'd like to see them do well, and I'd probably at least dip my toes into tow with them if they updated those ancient fucking skellies.
>>97133187Yeah that's an old model, you could buy it for AoS until just recently. Wood Elves were the singular TOW army that didn't get even a single pity hero up until now. They also have a real lack of plastic heroes generally, pretty much their entire hero lineup is metal only.
>>97133229https://oldworldrankings.com/army_listsIn general this website is what you should be using for that kind of stuff.
>>97133229>>97133245https://oldworldrankings.com/faction_statsWrong page
>>97133257>>97133257>>97133257
>>97133229>Personally I'd like to see them do well, and I'd probably at least dip my toes into tow with them if they updated those ancient fucking skellies.Just do what I did - get the cool stuff you want first and work on it while waiting for skelly refresh
