Knights of the Realm Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous thread >>97136163>TQ: Which armies would you feature in a TOW starter box and why?
>>97149609Beastmen vs Orcs with all new sculpts except the Orcs are fucking shit
i have no issues with beastmen but don't go after my orcs, motherfucker. i don't mind you fuckers and i nearly started a beastman army when they were the only oldschool models left in age of shitmar. i didn't start collecting until 2020 because that was when i finally had disposable income to waste on toys but i've always liked warhammer fantasy and always liked orcs, but settled for 40k orks to collect until TOW came back and i could finally collect the actually good orcs.but you beastniggers are alright, just don't go after my orcs. we should be united by our love of rape and murder of humans.
Hi guys, completely new player here. I started collecting the Beastmen!!! They were always my favorite of the most iconic Warhammer Fantasy characters!!! Well, wish me luck! I hope to see you on the field of battle one day! Peace out.
>>97149645Orcs are cool, you can raze civilization next to us and when all is burning we can duke it out Mano e Mano>better pic of Blondie the Gor (still heavily WIP)
>>97149645Sorry orkbro you seem like a real one and I agree, we should be united.Orks are just as kino as goats.I was just trying to shit stir retard-kun
>>97149617Seconding an orcs vs gors war. Let them have brutal dumb fun.
>>97149679Kino. Will free hand this on a banner some day
>>97149679>My lord, our scouts report that the Orc warband and the Beastmen Warherd have joined forces and are heading straight to your grand city, what are your orders?
>>97149696Yeah, that should be the cliffhanger at the end of the campaign book, but the campaign book should be brutal dumb fun between the two with no outside intervention or deeper plots.Just pages of peculiar battles, events and characters for people to reenact, reference or convert.
Total death to all unhuman scum.
>>97149713Back to /vg/, ESL.
>Back to /vg/, ESL.
back to sharty soijak faggot
>>97149648How do you do, fellow Beastmen mains?
Tier list of non humanoid factions>TopOrcs and Goblins, Ogres>MidBeastmen>CringeBasedven, Lizardfems
>>97149810how are ogres any less humanoid than dwarfs and elves?and why didn't you include chinks?
Best factions:GoblinsWorst factions:Everyone else
Postan again for feedback. Have made some changes since, but want to get as much as I can before committing to models beyond boyz, blorcs and boars
>>97149826You know exactly what was meant. If using that logic then every single faction in the game is humanoid, which is perhaps a flaw with the label but there's no need to be pedantic. And yes bugmen should be on the list, they of course are in the Cringe category.
>>97149857>You know exactly what was meant.Yes, hypocrisy.Go join the bugmen, you.
>>97149851I'd give those Blorcs some weapons, and stick the BSB's banner on them while giving the latter (if he's meant to join them) the War Banner aswell as some magical protection.If you wanna min/max a bit there's probably a better unit size for your regular orcs than 30 as you don't get the full benefit of rounding off the volley number. You'd might want to also give them Da Spider Banner and the unit champion the hat that doesn't make them impetious.Don't forget that chariots can be fun!
>>97149892>benefit of rounding off the valley numberWhat do you mean by this anon? Thanks for the remaining advice. Think I've gone back to throwing spears for that blob thinking about it
>>97149679This is great, it's giving me inspiration for what to put on my Orc BSB. /wfg/ beasts vs boys faction war when?>>97149851Give weapons to the BlOrcs. Only half+1 need shields to give the whole unit the shield save at range. Get some cheap units to threaten at range and to act as chaff. While the orc warboss with Porko's IS fun (I love that fucking item), I think he probably does less than just getting a pair of boar chariots, which would give you more flexibility. The Boar boys are going to crush almost anything they charge anyway, so he's a bit superficial against all but the hardest targets. The only disagreement I have with >>97149892 is that there are enough BlOrcs around to stop your boys being impetuous anyways, as you really want them advancing, even with bows, which are more there for utility than to be a shooting block every turn in most matchups.
can i make great weapons work for blorcs, i think they look cooler than double choppas
>>97149935Yes, Great Weapons are fantastic. 2 choppas just doesn't pump out the same amount of damage against anything but the squishiest enemies.
>>97149942thanks for the advice and good to hear, ill build half shields and half great weapons when i get a box then
>>97149927Warbows have a special rule called Volley Fire that lets half of each rank behind the front row also shoot. When deciding what counts as half you round up the number meaning that a row of 5 orcs with warbows can Volley Fire as many shots as a row of 6 since their half both count as 3.
I hope James does something about the weapon balance since I can't really think of any reason I wouldn't take a Great Weapon over any other choice, if it is a choice. Great Weapon is too much of an auto pick.
>>97150096Flails be flailingShields be boardingAdditional hand weapons be crazy
>>97150146None of these are the correct choice if you can also take a Great Weapon. The +2 strength is too much of a buff. Hand weapons is the shittest option out of these all even if you can get Frenzy for even more attack rolls. You also forgot Halberds, which isn't surprising. The only Halberd worth a damn is the Dread variant since it has fight in extra rank.
>>97149722This is a wargame for Englishmen and Europeans.Mayhaps aos or 40k would be more your style, Brayden.
>>97150247Based and correct. Amerimutts should be banned from playing Aryan Fantasy Battles.
What horse head could I use on Bretonnian horses to get a look like the Knight's horse on the left? This is the look I wanna go for, for my empire knights.
>>97150370I did try empire knight horse heads but they're considerably smaller and look off, especially at the neck region
>>97149609>TQBrets vs Empire because they are the best rivals and most relatable
>>97150370WGA Renaissance Heavy Cavalry
>>97150377yes stirlanders and the common peasant are quite relatable
>>97150383How big are the heads tho? Aren't the models smaller than default empire knights?
>>97150393They aren't smaller than Empire knight,s but they are smaller than the Pistoler horsesPaul Stanley did a comparison video he directly compares them at around 6:55 to 7:02https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFVCdnvWxc&t=511s
>>97150409Hmm that won't work I think They are a bit thinner than the empire ones and the empire ones already look too small
Nevermind, new idea found for my empire knightsSaw these conversions using empire knights + chaos marauder horses
>>97150522>chaos marauder horsesA-anon...
>>97150528Any good old world (or AoS) kits I can kitbash together to make some harpies?
>>97150528?Those conversions use the (now) old chaos marauder horsemen horses with the empire knights underside trimmed away and slotted over, with the chaos stuff cleaned off
Didn’t mean to give you a (You) Anon sorry about that, didn’t realize I had your post selected
>>97150538the old chaos marauder horsemen are gone and deader than dead. I think the new ones are gonna be tricky to use.
>>97150551That's a problem for other people, I already snagged a bunch off eBay right as the new ones came out
The fact that a treelord cant be a mount is a sin.
>>97150828only hobbits mount treemen
>>97150370>italian cavalry>look inside>reiter tedesco
>>97150370Knights would honestly look so much better if they all had skirts.
>>97150952that's on the other page, but the knight on this page is indeed also germ
"Roo ra" anons in SHAMBLES after seeing the most noblest knights run their chieftain down!A question to the Bretonnian connoisseurs in this thread: how do you go about creating an army for Bretonnia? I thought about doing a very small (500 to 1000) points army for them in the far future, but I have no clue where to exactly start because of all the oaths and such. I don't need a list chewed out for me, but which direction am I ought to go with the heroes specifically?>>97150370I hate autism, I immediately recognised who that banner belonged to.before even seeing that name (Albert III of Saxony, founder of the Albertine/Meissen line before they got the electoral vote).
Hey all you WoC players, do you use the GW chosen models or something else? The unit seems cool but metal models make me hesitate.
>>97151074I use the 5th ed chaos knights for my chosen knights and on the very rare occasion I take chosen warriors I use the 1997 chaos warriors.
>>97151074No, I'm waiting for the new Chosen plastic kit. Chosen aren't so good that I have to get on the table immediately so I can wait.
>>97151074If you have a hard time painting metal: Vallejo grey primer sticks really well on metal miniatures. I use this primer as my standard primer for all my miniatures, but it's a God-sent for metal in particular.
>>97151074>>97151125Army Painter brainmatter beige works great too but in my experience any primer will work after you've washes the metal minis with soap and dried them
>>97149609Not freakin Wood Elves and Tomb Kings that's for fucking sure.
>>97152267everytime I picture this it fuckin makes me burst out in laughter. I really hope its not a versus box or something cause I do want some potential wood elf models on a discount, I fucking loathe tomb kings though.
The ability to freely include allies as part of your army (from a limited list of "compatible" factions) would make it much better. Of course, we'd have broken combos, but nobody should care about catering to tourneyfags. I want to include a single unit of Shadow Warriors, led by a unit champion, in my Lizardmen army. I want to include a couple of units of State Troops in my VC army. Bretonnian Lance a WE army, or some Longbeards in an Empire army.
>>97152359This is gay.
>>97152364If doing allies is gay then I'm the biggest queer on earth
>>97152379sounds like you're a second edition aos refugee then.
>>97150096Halberds should have fight in extra rank. You should be able to fire pistols in melee too (we've historical sources talking about pistol-armed cavalry being the most dangerous at that range because of the lethality of their firearms).
>>97152267GW doing a second starter set in a single edition seems unlikely
>>97152396Maybe not, maybe it would be too hard to rebalance. But James officializing it in some sort of way would at least make it easier for people to introduce it to their group of friends without them thinking you're trying to powergame. It's hard enough introducing things like the Renegade changes or the Renegade Comp system.>>97152402I've literally never played a game of Smegmar in my life, never will.
>>97152267>>97152307I think wood elves and tomb kings are one of the weirdest matchups possible, they just cannot look like they belong to one battlefield.One or the other has to play the part of the fish out of water.
>>97152359Unfortunately that's not how the ally rules work and for once it's not the tourneyfags' fault. When you want to bring allies, you have to treat them as a separate army & follow all the necessary rules for fielding an army. So, 25% core requirement, 1 character, but you are allowed to only bring 1 non-character unit instead of 3. If you want to blame someone for taking allies not being good/viable, blame the writers.
>>97152359imagine wanting to have fun and thinking you need a corpo-borpo's permission to do it.
>>97152424the one starter set they gave this game doesn't have the usual fully new models.
Ok, anons, my Cursed City box (without the models) came in. I also bought original bat swarms and vargskyr (will use it as vargulf). So - the WFBfication of the game project has begun!Right of the bat I bought 10 grave guards and 12 ogor gluttons. Grave guards will work as skeletons, 3 ogors will become 1 ogre hero and 2 ogre zombies - Kosargi Nightguard respectively.Now, looking for a proxy for Radukar. Which one would you choose, anons?
>>97152730the left model I suppose. odd side question, are there any decent solo rpgs for fantasy battle?
>>97152730that thing on the left is awful, use an old strigoi model
>>97152730Strigoi ghoul king
>>97152767>Strigoi ghoul king>>97152769This horrid creature??!
>>97152794Yes
>>97152929He's extremely fugly tho'. How about this one?Those two maybe as blood-born?
>>97152526GW doing new Wood Elves for a starter set is even more unlikely
>>97153012they realistically only really have to redo the wardancers and the hawk riders. Then some characters, I wouldnt even want a dragon.Then like half of their range is no longer in metal, but then they're still stuck buying treelords and dryads from aos.
>tomb kings (again)>fucking wood elves>summer 2026I'm sorry but this can not be real, you couldn't imagine a worse launch box if you tried.
>>97153041I genuinely want to hope its true.
>>97149653Got some more work done on my blonde Gor
>>97149609>TQIdeally we would finally get Empire vs. Chaos. Its canonically the most important matchup but we have never gotten it. We so far had:>brets vs lizardmen>dwarfs vs orcs>elves vs skavenSince chaos is absolute fucking clownshow in ToW with some ugly dyke as their faction leader, chaos should be represented by beastman instead.Middenheim vs. Drakwald Beastman set.Give them Boris and Khazrak to suck in total warhammer secondaries obsessed with named characters.
>>97153067Here he is with some friends. They are all at the same stage now, with finished hair and fur, so I can work on these simultaneously for their cloth, wood, metals, and so on.
>>97153041i could see it being a success if Tomb Kings get new Skeletons but I doubt that will happen, even the concept of GW making a new Rulebook is a bit wierd
How do wood elves even deal with the undead
>>97153067>>97153091Kino. Blonde Gors feel very Slaaneshi to me. IDK why.
>>97153157Same way they deal with everything else :They dont.
>>97153157Trees probably
>>97153157You can pulverize bones and add them to soil to enrich it a bit. Bone meal. If I were undead id avoid Athel Loren to avoid being turned into a tree.
>>97153214then the undead control the treesNagash wins
>>97153287What constitutes an undead? At what point does something stop being a corpse/remains and becomes nutrients? It can't be all encompassing otherwise all living things would technically be able to controlled by those who know necromancy.
Weirdnob on boar?
>>97153470You mean shaman?Yeah sure why not.
>>97153470it's a good choice if you aren't putting him in a mob of boyz for the +1 casting bonus. None of the mounted options for O&G are bad.
>>97153482NAGASH! NAGASH! NAGASH!
Still no Razing of Westerland pdf five days after release?
>>97153053>>97153122Modern skellies would help tk a ton, but at the end it's still two relatively unpopular armies, one of which already had a big expensive box set.But the worst part by far is still summer 2026. Awful idea, they should be cheeky and release in autum or winter 2026 instead, to capitalize on possible dissappointment with the new 40k edition instead of directly "competing" with the launch>>97153085>boris and khazrakAnon you're going to want to sit down for this
I'm trying to understand how a unit with as many characters as its entire fighting rank is wide plays. Does the entire command group get pushed to the second rank? If the enemy doesn't direct attacks against models they are in base contact with do you still just remove the regular infantry as casualties when the enemy succeeds at their wound rolls? Is this even possible? I'm not quite sure how the rules Not Enough Room and Too Many Characters interact with each other.
>>97153803When did Necromunda Secundus come out in relation to other GW games that year?This theoretical TK vs WE starter box seems to be the most comparable to that starter box for Necromunda, though it should be noted you can still buy the older Starter box for Necromunda on the GW webstore, along with Secundas
Post your best painted Army
>>97153935Part 2 I love that little gnome.
>>97153803>Anon you're going to want to sit down for thisOh right forgot gw pretends the game is set at different time. What a bunch of retards.
>>97153896
>Once the model representing the Cathayan Dragon's new form has been placed, remove the model representing its previous form from play. When a Cathayan Dragon transforms in this way, it immediately recovers D3 lost Wounds.Wait so a Miao Ying recovers D3 every time she transforms and not only for the Death of a Dragon special rule?
>>97153938Golly gee! TWO steam tanks?!
>>97154083We play 2500 points in my region, so I sometimes bring 2!
>>97153935>>97153938>no excessive 'eavy me'al styleThis I like. Although the white plumes look unfinished (no shade), it could just be the lighting.
>>97154206It's the lighting Here is a close up on one before I rebased him
>>97154240Yeah, I suspected as much. It's a problem we all struggle with when we try to show off minis with pics. They'll never do them justice. Either way nice empire army.
>>97154206'Eavy metal looks kind of bad in person, so I don't like painting it. I prefer layering and cleanliness with not too extreme edge highlights. I am currently working on a High Elf army and am pretty happy about them. There is also my Wood Elf army, but they were painted with a year of experience between some of the modles in it. Here is picture of my unit of Wildwood Rangers, who are finished by now.
>>97154013>>97153896so as far as my reading of it, the game does not consider adjacent to the front rank (as in the character is standing just to side of the unit on its flank) as actually being part of the front rank. per the rules, the front rank is capped at a max number of characters equal to other models in the front rank, unless its a single rank unit n which case anything goes.but, lets say you have a 2x5 unit with a front rank of 2 models and 3 characters join the unit. you can have one character in the front rank, then the unit champion, then the standard and musician would be pushed to the second rank. then you could have characters 2 and 3 adjacent to the front rank on its flanks. it says that any characters which cannot fit in or adjacent to the front rank go to the rear rank, so lets say you reform that unit into 1x10 and now the front rank is only a single man for arguments sake. you cant have any characters in the front rank, but you can have one adjacent to it on either side, so you get characters 1 and 2 on the flanks, the champion in front and then musician and standard in ranks 2 and 3 single file, and then the 3rd character with no room would go to the back. you can have a character next to a character if the first character is actually part of the front rank, but you cant have a character adjacent to the front rank and then another character adjacent to them even further off, as they would not then be adjacent to any rank and thus illegal (though they could stand there as their own separate unit)since casualties are removed from the rear rank, i dont think its possible to have a unit with only characters available to allocate to in the front rank, though you would need to keep track of step ups, and i think a character in the rear rank who then finds themselves alone due to removed casualties would just step up as well.
I also tried some harder edge highlights on my Spellsinger
>>97154078Yes but it’s not as good as you’d think as you’re paying for both her dragon CC profile and her casting abilities that get gimped in dragon form.
>>97152950you would need to remove half the cape the bear paw and the spike for that model to make any sense
>>97154288>focus you fack
>>97153756They stopped doing digital anon, we're back to the days of waiting until someone can be arsed to scan it.
>>97153756check the op
Empire of Man If you're part of the colleges of magic are you allowed to have a spouse and children along with it?
>>97154283Hey, thanks. The way you laid it out makes sense. I'll need to revise my plan. I was thinking of making a brick of goblin bosses since they are cheap as shit but it seems there are restrictions. And, to be honest, good and reasonable ones.
>>97154505yes, the Jade College even has a Eugenics program going on to make more wizards
>>97149609Where is the model is the paladin on foot on the far left from? I recognize him from that old art piece with the Bret Lord fighting a giant Norscan on top of a lighthouse.
What if tomorrow they announced totar war Warhammer The Old World?
>>97154505 This is from AI.In the Warhammer Fantasy setting (part of the "Empire of Man"), full Colleges of Magic members (Magisters) can have families, but it's complex; apprentices face strict rules, often needing decades to qualify, and while marriage isn't forbidden for all magic users, the intense, often secretive nature of wizard life makes traditional family life challenging, though some notable wizards have had children, showing it's possible but not typical for everyone in the ranks. Key Points for Colleges of Magic & Families:Apprentices (Initiates): Training is intense and long (decades), often demanding monastic devotion, making family life difficult, but some lore suggests temporary relationships might occur, just not full marriages until becoming a Magister.Magisters (Master Wizards): Once fully qualified, rules loosen. Marriage and children are possible, but their focus remains on magic and the Empire, with many remaining solitary or having complex relationships.The Grey College (Shadows): Known for secrecy, their members might avoid family, but it's not a strict ban.The Celestial College (Heavens): Focuses on prophecy; members often keep to themselves but aren't necessarily celibate.Notable Examples: Some famous wizards, like Teclis (High Elf, but influential), have connections, and within the human Empire, characters like Balthasar Gelt (though a bit ambiguous) suggest some form of personal life, even if not traditional families. In essence, it's not a universal "yes" or "no," but a spectrum – apprentices are restricted, while full wizards can, but often don't, due to lifestyle, duty, and the secretive nature of their craft within the volatile Warhammer setting.
>>97154544you could still do a ball of goblin bosses, you'd just need a unit attached. considering 20 goblins is like the cost of a single boss they're so cheap its not really a big ask, unless for some reason you wanted a really dense small footprint of characters with no extra dudes hanging around, in which case you could still quite a few goblin bosses on or adjactent to a fairly minimum sized unit.
>>97154625Back to /v/ with you,>>97154636and back to /slop/ with you
>>97154625Why would I play that.
>>97154625That would barely constitute a map change from TW3
>>97154636this is from all:kill yourself
>>97154625>New World completely uninhabited because those factions are legacy
>>97154275Quick question, would you keep the arms off before you paint them in subassembly or are they not an issue?
>>97154767No everything still exists it just isn’t being focused on.
>>97153935>those decalsoof
>>97154866I guess not using microsol and varnish is part of the trve wfb experience
>>97153756I will be acquiring a physical copy of it tomorrow. I don't have access to a scanner, but I can take pictures of anything interesting if you'd like.
>>97153935>>97153938awesome army mate, makes me want to start my own empire armyare you going to get any empire state missile troops?
Does anyone have the Bugman’s Cart or the cannon/organ gun kit for the Dwarves and willing to share an opinion on them? I want both, but I on the fence on what to get first.
>>97149609>TQKislev vs Vampire Counts. Gets Kislev officially into the game, and makes many of the grogs happy. Throw in some story reason why Vamps are heading north or Kislev is heading south. Everybody wins.
>>97155359Grogs wouldn’t be happy for Kislev. Maybe vampire counts.
>>97155359Sorry, what are Vampire Counts? They're aren't in the books I have?
>>97155128the plastic cart they sell is a terrain piece from the 6th edition starter set, it's not greatThe metal cart is the sort of brick we used to put in socks to punish rule benders, the details are mid at best, and you'll be shaving off a small beard of little pewter flashthe cannon is a more modern plastic kit, not, like, modern like AoS modern, but modern by fantasy standards which means it's OK but has some big/annoying gaps you should putty.
>>97155359>>97155363>and makes many grogs happymeant to say >and vampire counts makes many grogs happy
>>97153935>>97153938Nice work fellow Reiklander. The decal outlines/shimmer - you should still be able to sort out with a little Vallejo Decal Softener.
>>97149645Orcs don't/can't have sex
>>97155660No, but they can dry-hump your decapitated corpse, in mockery of your disgusting 'oomie reproductive rituals, in front of your horrified children and strangely aroused wife.
>>97155674You're gonna cut yourself with that edge
>>97155674
>>97155372I see. I figure the Cannon/Organ Gun is probably better to paint up after a box of Warriors, but the beer cart really feels fun.
>>97155674Friendly reminder that this is canon in the Skarsnik novel
>>97155847No it isn't, it's implied that they shoved spears in orifices as part of their torture and even that isn't explicitly defined
I am living on the edge. The marauders say they should be here by friday but they are still halfway across the country. If they don't deliver friday it's going to be monday fml.
>>97155953That’s cool anon. I cared when you posted this the other 4 times. I enjoy your blogs.
>>97155953I'm sure you'll let us know if they're late
>>97155685>>97155758You never wonder what "Orcs having fun in a local human village" looks like?Because it looks like murdering people in front of their loved ones, and laughing and joking whilst abusing the remains.I imagine Orcs to enjoy physical comedy.Slapstick and prop gang mostly.
>>97156210Orcs beating up humans and playing with their bodies isn't them humping it you spastic
>>97149609What're you working on, anon? I'm moving now, so have had to put painting on hold for a bit.
>>97149609anyone else think the lack of hwacha/rocket carts for cathay is disapointing? I guess the fire rain rocket battery is fine and cinese-y enough, But I think a whol buttload of rocket arrows would be a whole lot neater seeing how the empire also has a rocket battery. Do it like some kind of mix of hellblaster volley gun and rocket battery where the arrows fire like 4 artillery die worth of arrows that are ap 0 with armor bane 1 and that would be epic.
Big fan of the Total War games and my favourite factions are Dwarfs, Chaos Dwarfs, Wood Elves and Tomb Kings but the models for these armies seem pretty shit and don't really exist for Chaos Dwarfs, feels bad manI might consider wood elves if they actually had a good dragon model, please release one GW
>>97156939nah, im fine with it. honestly i could do without any more artillery, artillery is a boring game piece nobody really likes playing against anyways, and we already have some pretty heavy artillery. artillery also isnt very fun as a hobbyist, even though the cathay artillery is a bit more interesting than mosti'd rather get more fun shit like the dog statues, moon bird, maybe some kind of man longma unit of elite heavy cavalry, stuff like thatif we get more artillery on top of the cannons and rockets and balloon and jezzails and handgunners and archers cathays just gonna be total cancer to play against, more so than it already is.
>>97156984TF is wrong with dwarfs? most of their shit is 8th edition modern except like the basic warriors.
Do we know if the updates from the new arcane journal will also affect units like huscarls and marauder tribe berserkers?. Seems like you could get both of them to toughness 5 pretty easily.
>>97157032Yes, we do, and yes, they can.
>>97157037Does it make them too strong? Or is the extra toughness a reasonable trade-off for the huscarls?
>>97157045We don't know yet. There isn't enough data from tournaments available right now and anecdotally I'm the only chaos player at my LGS and even I don't have the book yet. I can hypothesize that t5 berserkers are going to be disgusting but I'm not familiar enough with the wolves of the sea list/meta to know for sure. Give it a few weeks and a consensus will form.
>>97157060Previously the wolves of the sea had the exploit of joining characters to skin wolf units to have them benefit from their mutations, I hope this exploit has been now closed, as I believe it was against the intent of the rules.
>>97154596I've started building a daemons of chaos army. I'm currently waiting for the metal chairs furies to arrive so I know if the printed plague drones will fit in scale.
>>97157081That's been FAQd.
>>97157170Good.
Can you get an FAQ'd rulebook? Like an updated digital one or something?
>realize i've got an old malekith and black dragon sitting around>in pretty decent condition>auction price on them is sky high>cant find one of the saddle legsfffffuuuuuuuuu
>>97154646I was thinking of going for a block of 40 goblins to ensure I'll have a high rank bonus and outnumber the enemy models for the combat res. And also because I need to somehow inflate my points numbers. I'm not taking any expensive units since I wanna go for one last goblin bonanza before the year ends.
>>97155128I love the metal bugman's cart kit but then again I'm a sucker for the old dwarf aesthetic
>>97149851If you have never painted before, buy 10 boyz and finish them before buying anything else. And if you're a newbie in a army just start with 1000 points game
>>97153085>Give them Boris and KhazrakWrong timeline it'll be their famous ancestors instead Loris Todsearcher and Khozrok Two-Eyes
>>97155359Why are we pretending that KISLAV was that fucking popular.Their mini release in 6th got some metal models that didn't really sell, it was expensive even for the time, and the army wasn't that good. I don't ever recall seeing an army on the table. The only people who will be happy are TWW secondaries
>>97149810So you like human male bodies with big muscles
>>97151074I used the AoS chosen and made a unit of 20. But thats because I have money and no sense as the unit is very expenisve even with discounts. That said theyve carried too many games to make me mad and I never go without them now.
>>97149810Lizards trump all others, hands down. Why would you like a smelly, unwashed Ogre, or a green retard? Lizards don't give a fuck, you're just in their way.
Are monstrous infantry in general pretty much shit?>Rat Ogres>Trolls>Minotaurs>KroxigorsHow do we fix them? I feel like each rank should count for 2 points of CR and give 1 impact hit for every model in the 2nd rank, to represent the power of the charge of these monsters.>Trolls regen on 3+>Kroxigors get an extra attack (would make sense given that Saurus have an extra attack over most other infantry)How do we fix the others?
>>97157856best i can do is make the models bigger and more expensivet.gw
>>97157856>how do we make the broken monster game even more broken with monsters
>>97157856Renegades fixed them already. Gave the massed infantry rules and press of battle rules to MI, gave the parry rule to Ironfists.They even boosted leadbelcher cannons.
I posted on here last week about working on an insectoid race from an Oceania equivalent. I have fleshed out some of the lore and unit list but one area I haven't made a decision on is the weapons. Traditional cultures in that area worked bone, wood, jade etc and it makes sense to fold in insect stings/venoms in some way, but I wonder if this is stepping on the toes of Lizardmen aesthetics or if there's a more interesting and thematic way to do it. For additional context their armour (besides natural chitin hides) is spider silk woven into a sort of gambeson, and heavy armour layers this with laminate plates from spider silk and tree resin
i like the design of the new marauders, but i genuinely believe cad is an inferior way to sculpt miniatures.the detail on the hair, fur and chainmail takes a hit and ends up being too stylized (anime/mmo) compared to handsculpts. the apparent thickness, and the texture of the robes/cloth scraps is also noticeably and worse than older metal minis imo
>>97158076I dont like them at all. should have been kurgan inspried. this shits just gay.
>>97158054>bone, wood, jade etc and it makes sense to fold in insect stings/venoms in some way, but I wonder if this is stepping on the toes of Lizardmen aestheticsstyle matters more than substance here: lizard weapons are vaguely reminiscent of precolumbian ones, but they're way more solidly constructed on a closer inspection, they don't read as the result of a tribal society, so you should feel free to have toothed weapons and such
Could a bretonian knight be blackmailed by a chaos lord/entity and not be corrupted at the end?
>>97158131grail knights are incorruptible
>>97158169so you're saying if a chaos lord had enough leverage he could get a knight to do his bidding.
>>97158226>chaos lordyou mean lady of the lake
>>97157917Renegade rules gave these infantry buffs to Ogres but not other Monstrous Infantry. They are still fucked no matter what rules you play.
>>97158131Blackmailed? No. What would a grail knight, a true and genuine one, have to fear from blackmail? They're living saints, anon. Essentially perfect humans. Now, if you're asking if they can be manipulated... maybe! Probably! I dunno! Write the story you're thinking about first and worry about whether or not it's possible later.
>>97158076Metal still gives better detail than plastic right now, but the difference in detail. between them is much smaller now
>>97158131>>97158396>Grail knight unknowingly dons daemonic chaos armor>now the armor is controlling his body while he attempts to fight it with his willpower alone at every step of the way
>>97159015grail knights are already basically little baby demon princes from drinking the bath water of their favorite egirl waifu, so I'm not sure the chaos armor would win.
>>97159040Yeah but how long will beating it take?
>>97158054>I haven't made a decision on is the weapons.Their own body mutated via alchemy, duh.
Horus Heresy got a painting guide today for the Christmas thing. Maybe we will get something too.
>>97159178What would you want from the Advent calendar articles for TOW?
>>97159120they live to be like 300+ if they don't catch a cannonball for the lady, so he's got time
>>97159204An Army of Infamy would be cool. Kislev Christmas would be amazing but also a pipe dream
>>97159207Exactly, up untill that point he is controlled by the armor. And probably goes on anti-chaos crusade after he breaks free.
>>97159221Considering HH just got painting guides best we can hope for is a guide to make TOW terrain like the Longships or Cathyian Junk or these Norse huts in the back of pic
>>97159252Yeah you're almost certainly right. I am not expecting even that desu.
>>97159252>HH just got painting guidesComedically bad ones to. The blood angels one has random shit on the mini and parts where paint has rubbed off. The iron warriors one has some of the worst hazard stripes I’ve seen outside of first attempts
>>97159015>>97159120Not half a second, Grail Knights are literally immune to chaos.
>>97159178>painting guideMight as well just put up a picture of the red gobbo doing a goatse for all that crap is worth. Suckiest grotmas so far.
>>97159346Yeah I just saw this >>97159301 . Pretty grim. Screams last minute rush.
>>97159301Do you guys think they pat down employees for Tamiya modelling tape before letting them into the office?
>>97159346Better or worse than the random Orc and Goblin painting guide they did when that army released that required five paints just to do trousers?
>>97159301It's for the holidays, they're doing palette swap candy canes!
>>97159371Didn't some former GW staffer say that they force everyone to use Citadel paints and equipment for all Eavy Metal painting?
>>97159385I am kind of autistic and don't like mixing paints for painting just because I feel like I can never get the exact same ratio/shade.
>>97158131Don’t really know where chaos would get meaningful blackmail from. Maybe something from his early life, but what blackmail could chaos possibly have that would make the knight collaborate and not have made him unworthy of knighthood from the start? Getting strung along especially by a minor god unknowingly or a knight having a crisis of faith after a particularly disastrous period assuming he has truly failed the lady and accidentally serving the desires of chaos as a result of a self imposed redemption are kind of it.
>>97159400No idea but that sounds like something GW would do. But it's not like they sell modelling tape so...
>>97159385Dark angels need half a dozen colors for their eye lenses and five to make white
>>97159442What part of the DA armour is white?The symbol on his leg is a transfer so it doesn't count
>>97159442Is this a scheme to sell more paints?
>>97159365In GW’s own words the 40K detachments that got days had originally been meant to be all shit out at once with the balance update (which was shit). So the days lined up for that had either been so forgettable end of edition PDF rules could replace them or grotsmas is being done super last minute. >also of these detachments >1 IG detachment that will be the only way to play them until they get punished for having a good detachment >2 loyalist marines one for space wolves people are sick of seeing and one for blood angels>2 chaos marines one for the quarter of a faction that is EC and one for the NL who are apparently the only undivided traitor legion we are allowed to have stuff for now >the functionally dead clown space elves
>>97159385>>97159442These aren't painting guides they're fucking Citadel painting infomercials. Fuck you James
>>97159442Is he supposed to be cross eyed?
>>97159594The worst thing is that GW can make decent painting and Modelling guides, but only for MESBG.
>>97159488I honestly have zero idea They are only doing this shit for the old head systems, but that is populated by people who know better then to singularly rely on citadel paints and at least with Heresy 3rd a lot of the long term guys have dipped out of that edition. So I guess this is meant to some how get newfags to buy a dozen paints for basic infantry models.
This is sort of a nitpick but to me it just shows a hilarious lack of professionalism on GW's part, but the paint guides on the TOW boxes and the paint guides in the official citadel color painting app use completely different paints for the models. I'm not really sure how they are supposed to serve a new hobbyist if they come in and see the company recommend two completely different paint schemes.
>>97159633>>97159629I am a very mediocre painter and I basically rely on copying tutorials to get serviceable results and I never follow GW tutorials. Always youtube tutorials as there is more variety in end results AND I don't really like the contemporary Eavy Metal style.
>>97159488>>97159629I've come across a fair few guys that genuinely only use GW tutorials and cannot fathom buying different paints. Even in my local store a few of the guys religiously only buy citadel paints, even though they have ready access to lots of other paints in that store.But if GW wants to scam retards into buying mediocre paints sealed in horrible bottles I'd just let them. Can't take the retardation out of a retard, after all, and they'll just smash their head against another scam.(a little like why you don't give alcoholic natives money)
Anyone have experience with ordering from Knightmare Miniatures? Wondering how long orders normally take to arrive
>>97159633GW has some really weird ideas as to what is worth showing off and demonstrating as what you could do with the hobby. I shit you fucking not this is something for the actual team https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m33n9god/heresy-thursday-melee-weapons-and-how-to-model-them/
>>97159757I'm glad that I can paint marginally better than James...We don't need to be fags about how good someone can paint. It's a hobby, most of us didn't go to art school like a bunch of virgins.
>>97159671I'm not sure there are any GW tutorials to follow. Their guides basically boil down to Step 1: paint red pants, Step 2: paint blue skin, Step 3: finish painting the sistine chapel. None of them do a good job at tutorializing the painting process. They are glorified ads and that's about it.>>97159757The hell is that
>>97159786If it was some random hobbyist posting of a social media I wouldn’t really care. This is GW’s team trying to sell you a product and show off what you can do with it. most of the stuff in the article is fine if bland, but it suggest a level of not giving a shit to let a model that poorly painted in to a advertisement. Imagine a fitness company showing you what it’s community has done with this program and they randomly show you a bunch of people who lost a little weight and a guy who gained an extra 30 pounds and is now diabetic. Do you give that little to a shit about your own product?
I don't mean to derail the true topic of the thread but Dark Omen has finally been rereleased on GOG. Thought some of you might be interested.
Does anyone know where to look for physical army books? Trying to find the 8th edition army book for wood elves but I’m not gonna pay $80-90 for it.
Assuming the marauders update is a sign of how things are gonna go; do you think it’s everyone’s chaff getting updated or is it the worst looking sculpts of your faction getting updated?
>>97159885They’re gonna focus on what could be used in Aos and vice versa to change their identities.
>>97159883Periodically stalking eBay isn’t a bad idea. All the stuff up right now is 80-100USD but just looking at the sold items finds the book coming up at 60 and less semi frequently.Check newest especially at weird hours. Somebody just trying to get rid off it will probably show up randomly
>>97159883EBay. You have to simply hunt and get lucky. I don’t go in looking for a specific old fantasy book I browse all old fantasy and grab what I think is a good deal. Helps keeps costs controlled.
Finally getting the Waaaagh going lads
>>97159885I think the long game plan is that all the old models are getting replaced eventually. Chaos is probably the priority number 1 because they are the most important faction for the narrative of the setting but after that they are probably going to slowly redo everything. I'm also not sure if the legacy factions will ship with their old models or if they'll just come out the gates with an entirely new line of plastic models.
>>97159838That's fair. Maybe they want to show different skill levels to attract the normies being chased away by the painting side of the hobby? Or they're just being stupid again.>>97159945But dat's not a right propa lad, 'e's grey!
>>97159966Gonna use the BSB for my test scheme and for a bit of an exploration of how much depth I can go into on my heroes without it being too much
>>97159984Troll pants on everyone. Greenskin get the finest fashion in all of the Old World.
>>97159984What colors are you going with ?
Honestly im expecting chaos warriors to take cues from mark of chaos.
Empire of man example of powerful and influential women who are not that just because of getting married to powerful and influential man. Doesn't mean they can't be married it just can't be the source of the power and influence.
>>97159951I assume a lot of stuff will be allowed to carry on for a good while with only the mediocre sculpts even by the standards of the time being short timers or potentially not coming back in favor of new designs. I’ll use Lizardmen as an example Slann, the dinosaurs, and skinks are all fine The heroes are probably a coin flip Kroxigors probably come back as metals and left alone for a second wave update Saurus and especially their cold ones are bad enough they would probably come back redesigned
>>97160009I'd be perfectly fine with that if they get rid of the trim. I can't stand trims, CSM look like shit because of it, and half the AoS chaos range does as well
>>97160036They don't even have to redesign Saurus, just repose the AoS ones so they rank better. And replace those shields
>>97155359IIRC, Kislev has a lot of Lahmians and Carsteins, so Kislev vs. VCs is actually a good set up.
>>97160077WoC have always had Trim it's practical ingrained into the faction's aesthetic at this point
>>97160098When does the Blood Tsarina take over Kislev?
>>97152359It's one of those things that needs limits to avoid people making "perfect" armies, but I will agree that the current Allied Contingent rules are borderline useless outside of really high point limit games.
>>97160077and thats how you end up with the helsmiths.
>>97160006Green, I reckon
>>97160113Her reign was 2309-2465 IC, I think the first few years were before she got vamped.Kislev was genuinely fighting a civil war against a vampire usurper for over 100 years. Really cool thing that most lore forgets.
>>97149609I dunno why, but I'd like to see cathey vs. lizardmen in a starter box
>>97160133>vampire usurperShe wasn't even a usurper, she was the rightful Tzarina, they just got upset when they realized her being immortal = no inheritance
>>97160133also pretty soon after the Great War happens
>>97160126Yeah but green and what ?
I honestly kinda hope the empire regresses in technology
>>97160165If we're doing legacy lizards vs dark elves could be kinoLizards were in the 5e starter box vs brets, which was kind of an odd combo
>>97160242Retvrn to Stirland.
I mean what armies havent been in an army box so far. Among elves its only been wood elves (I think, unless gw has done something weird), and then uh....ogres?
>>97160242why?
>>97160310I don't think Chaos (Beastmen or Warriors) have ever been in a starter box
Odds more high elven ad infinitumEvens Empire/VC a la dominions Ulm
>>97160226Shit, you right.
>>97160133They're 100% going to forget this little piece of lore. The same for every piece of lore that didn't get the 40k grimderp treatment (Bretonnia) or got sissified with women added (also Bretonnia).
>>97160310green skinned things have been in a starter set 5 out of 9 times
>>97160237Well, I've got a bunch of paints for leather, reckon red will be the main colour outside of leather and iron. Gonna try for a rusty look on the metals without getting too muddy. Going to do a test on some spare blood bowl orcs to figure out my metal recipe - can't decide whether I want to drybrush over rusty colours, use dirty down and/or typhus corrosion, or paint the metal and add rust later
>>97160389Disregard aos>goblins>lizard orcs>orcs>goblins>rat goblins
>>97151074Much of the AoS line is quintessential warhammer (slaves to darkness, night goblins, wolf rider chariots, dark oath) and I'm convinced it is only corporate egoboo nonsense that is preventing the minis being presented as only for use in one game or the other. To answer your question, the AoS chosen. They rank well on TOW base sizes. As other anons have pointed out the kit is pricey but for their comparatively high cost in points it feels a little less bad. I also use the AoS chaos knights. I never liked the 6th edition chaos plastics. The 5th ed metal chaos knights however are excellent, sadly only a couple of mine survived to present day.
>>97158076>the fur and cloth on my cartoonish heroic scale humans looks unrealistic!If you say so man
>>97160108The Storm of Chaos models, and even the newer AoS warriors do not have trim at all. I think it makes them look MUCH better
>>97159859Buy an ad
>>97160576At that point just buy viking miniatures and paint them with Chaos symbols on their flags and clothing.
>>97160030The Empire of Man offers examples of powerful and influential women who achieved their status through their own abilities, not merely by marrying powerful and influential men.
>>97160631>TWWH secondaries, ENTER
>>97160640You should do that anyway.
>>97160649NTA, but a lot of those women were born to powerful and influential men. Or they're vampires.I don't want any female leaders. I'm boycotting that female necromancer "wizard" (just some witch) until the grave.
>>97160670I actually thought about it, but that's for in the far future after my (majority proxied or second hand) Empire miniatures are finished.
>>97160640>>97160670i mean that is hella kino
>>97158076Well GW has an extremely stylised sculpting style now that all their sweatshop sculptors use so everything is generic and melts together. Compare the new dogshit Bretonnians, bad body proportions and the armor is just bargain bin fantasy novel cover slop. We no longer have history enthusiasts and reenactors which a deep knowledge of human arms and armor, instead we have nerds that grew up with video games and have never even touched a sword, helmet or cuirass. Notice for example that all fantasy minis have cloth trim on maile, they can't sculpt mail properly in cad. The Bretonnian foot knights are fucking disgusting and I genuinely dislike anyone that owns them.
>>97160786So true!I am reminded of the Perry brothers talking about sculpting different dogs of war mercenaries and how their experience with re-enacting allowed them to better understand the poses pikemen would have while marching or in combat.
>>97160786>>97160837I'm glad I'm mainly into the human factions that are very easily proxied because of this. Even heroes are relatively easy to get - I'm sure I can find a damsel on a horse somewhere, for example.
>>97160868Pretty much only elves and skaven struggle with third party models.
Which ones do you all think are the best Battalion boxes contents wise?
>>97160745does Wargames Foundry sell these guys?
>>97153935Have posted most of it before and technically its part of a larger, multi-god army for the end times, but this is the nurgle bit. The undivided and Tzeentch guys wont fit on the shelf and have to live elsewhere
>>97160786The bretonnian art direction where they somehow thought the bib-like gorget was what visually defined them blows my mind. Sci fi fantasy used to be STEM/history background people but its been long usurped by the drama club crowd, and it is still jarring when something this off base gets done by a company with the resources to do better.
>>97160900there are a number of serviceable third party models for skaven, but for the most part they don't need them, their minis are good enough, especially now that they got rat ogres, jezzails and weapon teams updated in multipart plastics.
>>97160921cathay, wood elves, warriors
>>97160786>>97160937I find it funny that the new aos nurgle dudes arguably have more realistic armour than brets (though obv. exaggerated, especially in proportion).
>>97160941Yeah but there is nothing good for core options.
>>97160993I still dont understand the purpose of the cowbells
>>97160930absolute UNIT great unclean one
>>97161045Maybe its like, bells worn by leppers to warn others of their presence?
>>97161045Connects to the new pagan folk horror direction aos nurgle is going in I suppose
>>97161081Wouldn't Slaanesh work better for Folk Horror?
>>97160954That's it? Not O&G, Beastmen?
>>97161141Isn't the greenskin one notoriously terrible?
>>97160930Looks awesome. I'd love to see someone put this effort into Slaanesh, Khorne and Tzeentch as well but those don't seem to be very popular. Feels like Chaos is synonymous with Nurgle these days.
>>97159859Good catch anon thanks.
Would a brick of 40 vampire Count skellies be too much for one unit?
>>97161141I don't like the old goblins kits and I think the beastmen one having the monster instead of bestigors or minotaurs fucks up the purpose of a battalion which is to provide a solid bundle of normal units, especially ruining its value for multiple purchases, but I guess it's fine if you wanted to field a cygor and didn't plan on getting a second box
>>97161141The O&G battalion box is garbage. Maybe even the worst one.>>97161240Having 40 skellies would look sick as hell but I'm not sure if you really need that many. It's difficult to make them stay dead.
>>97159859...AND IT WILL BE A TIME OF GREAT STRIFE, WHEN THE MOONS ARE UNITED IN DARKNESS AND THE DEAD SHALL WALK THE EARTH ONCE MORE!Thanks for the info I love that game.
Rate my WFBfied Cursed City band of heroes.For context:>>97152730
>>97161240Not really that is pretty reasonable. I think historically people went with large units of zombies but its just preference honestly.Nobody wants tk frontally charge a block of 40 spearmen.
>>97161171>>97161268What's wrong with O&G?
>>97161141orcs and goblins maybe have the worst one. ordinary goblins are pure shit compared to night goblins who basically cost the same. orc chariots are mediocre as well. beastmen one is alright from what i have gathered despite what another anon replied with.
Once I finish with the Antmen I will be doing the same thing for Beastfiends of the Southern Wastes. I'm thinking of also fleshing out the Southern Wastes as well. Any ideas I will consider folding in
>>97161483The only usable units in the box are the regular orc boyz. Regular goblins have no purpose in the game and the orc chariot is mediocre and outperformed by taking two goblin wolf chariots at roughly the same points cost of one orc chariot.
>>97161524>I'm thinking of also fleshing out the Southern Wastes as well. Any ideas I will consider folding inyou will probably need to deal with High Elf at the Gates of Calth and the Warriors of Law that exist in the southern Wastes.chuck in some At the Mountains of Madness references since that was based in Antarctica
>>97159859i wonder how it runs on gog. i went through the arduous process of getting it to run off a rom with a wrapper and shit already lol
>>97161524this is the stuff I headcanon for the south wastes, aside for beastfiends>menbeasts coming from the portal>australian fauna beastmen at the gates of calith>lizardmen with more sci fi shit left and flying temples gunning down the chaotic shits>citadels of the chaos warriors of the gods of law, dotting the great ice wall>the coastal cities of the cephalopods civilization (no, not humanoid cephalopods, those are evil and elsewhere)>the last stairway to the heavens belonging to the ruined southern draconic empire, still guarded by the last few dragon sorcerer kings and their dragonborn and kobold servants>eldritch penguins at the mountains of madnessplus a few antorctic tribes playing the occasional "waaagh into the demon maw" laying siege at the crater where the southern portal lies, taking advantage of the torn veil of reality to get into time-looped fights
>>97161483The box is weak in terms of both units and sculpts. The boar chariot is shit as a kit and any other cav option is more useful Boys are fine, but one box worth of them is a weird number for a unit A lot of people hate the goblin kit and basic goblins are a subpar choice. I like and use normal goblins, but I would be cool with them being swapped for anything else
>>97161850I bought the box for the 6th edition, it's great. Just need to get proper bases for the goblins.
>>97153935It's hard to believe I've been collecting this chaos army for five years now. Hopefully I'll get to keep collecting it for many years to come.
i like these models. i want to adventure in the old world and fight stuff for survival
>>97160786I agree with the foot knights being absolute shit, but the new paladin BSB is pretty great.
>>97156993idk, I prefer more low fantasy/pseudo-historical elements rather than overtly mythical shit. I think artilery is cool in concept, but yah I can see why playing against can be a pain. Though the rocket arrow idea is more like a static high yeild archery unit rather than a full on monster destoying cannon.
>>97163199>I prefer more low fantasy/pseudo-historical elements Talk about boring.
>>97156993Speaking of artillery, they made a strange choice in making most artillery destroyable with a single leadership test. But now if they flee they are instantly removed instead the crew moving away. So a terror check kills them for free essentially (other than dwarves and such). Seems like an oversight/mistake.
>>97161045Swiss mercenaries.
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