Merfolk Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97148015>TQFavorite creature type?
I just pulled off my most disgusting play of the year.>three lands all game>white token deck is fully online, with espleth and the token draw/anthem enchantment >the only reason I'm still in the game is firebending mana>manage to build a somewhat wide board of firebending dudes>guy builds a wall of 5/5s>i'm dead if they swing>i swing on my turn>ascension goes online>12 floating mana>guy blocks>Great Train Heist for first strike and extra combat>Fated Firepower to 3 to clear the wall and survive>guy ragequits before I could take the lethal swing
>>97155764>>TQ>Favorite creature type?Myr. They are trying but weren't able to ruin them *yet
I saw an MTG focused penny auction website on here on Monday and even if it costs $0.10 to bid, a $0.01 card is the cheapest way to buy magic cards so long as other people don't find out about the website, right?
>>97155764>tqVampires
>>97155904you might as well open packs if you want to leave your purchases up to chance
>Favorite creature type?Sexies elves
>>97155969Random fact... in Brazil a Magic pack costs R$60 lmao
Thread Question
>>97155764>tqMeme answer goblinsMore serious answer, cant decide between wurms, elementals, elves, trolls, giants
is the game dead? Why is every store in Los Angeles completely barren? Not a single booster pack or bundle box in any Walmart, target, best buy, GameStop etc.
>>97155764>TQatog
The time is nigh.Come back to Premodern, /tg/.Come back home.
>>97156194>in Los AngelesSame reason why everything that costs more than $1 is behind locked glass cases
>>97156228>poor premodern anon doesn't know how much their format is going to suck after it gets permanently solved in less than two weeks once it its MTGO soon
BRING BACK PLANESWALKERS! FUCK EDH!! FUCK UB!!! AND ESPECIALLY FUCK MARO!!!
>>97156194>Why is every store in Los Angeles completely barren"Why does no one want to play Magic in the worst city on earth that isn't an active warzone?"
>>97155764>Favorite creature type?Instant
>>97155818>Myr. They are trying but weren't able to ruin them *yetremember when we returned to phyrexia and we got a grand total of five myr cards, one of which is a edh only card?
Is this one a flavour win? I don't consume capeshit so I have no idea who these guys are or why they do this.
>>97156252huh? I've been buying Pokemon on a biweekly basis for months at various targets and Walmarts and it's stocked on the shelves that anyone can grab. Literally no magic boosters or bundles in months outside of a few commander decks in October.
>>97156556basedit's called magic the gathering not creature the gathering
>>97156549huh? Where did I say that nobody plays? all five local games stores host magic nights. I just can't go in since I'm banned and I'm not going to pay scalper prices
>>97156567The girl has super intelligence as her superpower. The dino came through a portal she invented and serves the muscle of their superhero duo. She's the blue, it's the green.So I guess the girl is a 2/2 but when you draw cards that's her using her intelligence to bring the Dino through the portal and thats why the power increases and it gets trample. Artifacts are machines for smart people so that's why artifacts enable card draw.At the end of the day it's still just undercosted Simic value slop.
oh hasbro hasn't reprinted anything except final fantasy lol that's why all the stores are completely dead. Last set is getting a single reprint in January
crazy they would just cut off the entire existing fanbase to chase the dollars of people who aren't mtg fans lol
>>97155764Why is he halfnaked?
>>97156567The girl is basically kid inspector gadget, has some mind link with the dino and can summon him with portals. I guess the draw on artifacts is her studying tech to learn stuff, and the stat boost is from using that knowledge to summon dino.
>>97156653>smartcharacterwrittenbydumbpeople.jpgAnyone who gets excited about this garbage needs to be shot in the street
H O M A R I D S
>>97156797FEM is actually sick
>>97155764>TQInsect....God I feel so bad for Merfolkbros. Imagine if Namor or Attuma are the only reason merfolk is even playable in standard.
>>97156746Do you wear clothes when you're swimming?
Hey guys. I just want to try this. I know how to play Yugioh video games and Pokemon cards video games. I'm thinking of trying MTG. I found the Duels of the Planeswalkers on myabandonware.com, but it's not abandonware anymore. The myabandonware page has a link to https://slightlymagic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=2349I'm just wondering. Is the game installer from slightlymagic.net the same as "Duels of the Planeswalkers (1998)"? Because it says it's from 2010, but it's called "Magic: The Gathering" which means it's from 1997. It does says it includes the Spells of the Ancients expansion pack. Which is basically if I'm not wrong "Duels of the Planeswalkers (1998)".
>>97155904I think I found out about the website >=)
What if power creep isnt real and we are actually just becoming more powerful planeswalkers?
>>97156891Aquaman does.
>>97156565It could be worse.
When can AI make me a deck so I have something novel to play with my friends in our annual meet up than the stuff I built in 2015
>>97157093Every time I try using slopGPT to make a deck it gives me cards that don't exist and insists on using shocks and painlands in legacy, and also tells me to use zendikar fetches and original duals in premodern
>>97157093>has had 11 years to build something, anything at all>still looking for a machine to do it for him
>game is already autopilot>he wants to use gacha machine to build decks automaticallymtg really is the tcg with lowest iq player baseholy shit
>>97157163I don’t know why people would use chatgpt to netdeck. There are thousands of decks made by real human beings.
>>97157146I don't actually care about the game enough to put effort in I only do it for the social aspect
>>97156228Shouldn't have avatar posted macgruber. BUYING MY TICKET TO BOSTON NOW LITTLE BUDDY
Mono-Blue Double Strike, Lifelink, Deathtoucher when?
>>97155992Try premodern instead.
>>97156994>Update Viashino to Lizard>Don't update Cephalid to OctopusREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>97157336They literally did. Cephalid Ink mage is an octopus.
>>97157236They want to do a cool and unique brew but are not willing to spend the time testing and refining the deck.
>>97157327When they make a blue version of devoid or they make another cycle of the Ravnica creatures.
okay but real talk thoughmono-blue "Vigilance, Reach" is ACTUALLY over the line.
>>97156567>Whenever an artifact you control enters, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.MAAKEIIIITSTOOOOOOOP
>>97156567>Whenever you draw your second card each turn,>This ability triggers once each turn>generic UG value engine with retarded stats for its mana cost>an engine, and also its own fuel
Blue creatures should not get Flash.Blue is the color of the most instant-speed interaction, so out of all colors it should be the one that has the absolute least access to intant-speed bodies as well.Prove me wrong.
>>97157353>blue version of devoid???????you mean "this card is blue" like Evermind?
>>97157408>the color defined by instant speed shouldn't get instant speed because... it just shouldn't!!!!
If TMNT, Marvel, Hobbit, and Star Trek end up flopping, will WotC abandon UB? Or double down on it as no one likes this shit.
>>97157439Yes probably for the underwater world plane.
>>97157444Haha! No bozo. 2030 is already prepared. Be prepared. No amount of flops can turn back this shit.
>>97157408You are a goddamn fucking retard. Do you even listen to yourself? Are you trolling? You fucking idiot, you moron, you complete nincompoop.
¿Opinions?WARCHESTIn WARCHEST we are aiming to create a fun, pre-made, but expandable magic-in-a-box variant.RULESDecks are 40 cards.16 lands24 non-lands. Three copies of each card. 3 copies x 8 cards. No singles, no doubles.The main theme is tribal warfare, but non-tribal decks could be created.The WARCHEST replaces the side-board. The WARCHEST is 6 cards with 1 copy of each card; each card in the WARCHEST can be brought to the hand by pitching a card to the warchest and paying 3 mana to retrieve a card to the hand. The WARCHEST is supposed to balance best of one matches to reinforce this also the player who draws gets a 0 mana + card pitch warchest retrieval. A deck + warchest is 30 cards.(Possible additional rules for the WARCHEST:A second retrieval could cost an extra mana and so onThe player who draws only gets a reduced cost WARCHEST retrieval.Warchest access is hidden)A tribal deck will have a tribal legend in the WARCHEST. Not a commander, like a companion it will die regularly.MAKING A WARCHESTA fully proxied 6 deck WARCHEST will cost under 60 EUR in makeplayingcards without lands.
>>97157236dont even need to netdeck nowadaysyou just read the cards and synergies become incredibly obviousbut zoomer mentality is literally>"i want everything now and fast and faster than now"if you start thinking about it, it explains modern game design made by monkeys to appeal to chimps
>>97157444I have to imagine it's a cash cow.One of my friends has 33 Final Fantasy commander decks.
>>97157444They will probably power-up UB sets to forc regular players to buy them.
>>97156567Wow the art looks shit. I don't even care about the abilities, the art is too shit for me to care about it.
>>97157582>33 Final Fantasy commander decksAt that point they're just a funko pop collection, there's no way in hell anyone's playing often enough to get anywhere near a decent amount of games played with each deck. I'll bet most of those decks get retired with 0-2 games played.
>>97157093Pick 9 cards you likeAdd 4 copies of each of them into the deck, fill the rest with landsBoom, playable deck. Not good, but playable.
>>97157508>A deck + warchest is 30 cards.Is this A.I.?
>>97157608They already are and it’s disgusting. These goddamn FUCKING FUCKERS!>>97157610NOBODY WANTS MORE FUCKING BLOCK WOMYNS IN STEM! FUCK YOU WOTC SHOVE IT UP YOUR FUCKING ASS
>>97157614nonlands
>>97156907Common guys, talk to me. I want to play the first MTG video game.
>>97157627you're gonna wanna look up "mtg shandalar"
>>97157633read my first post bro.
>>97157508>here is how you build deck in this game>here is the card back>wow guys it will only cost 60 yurobux pls buysounds shallow, bland and derivative
>>97157508> attempting to mash EDH and constructed> remove interaction from the main deck and put into a wish board.> Card draw and ramp become the most powerful strategies because you can upgrade cards from the wish board.> Simic chads win againIt looks like you're trying to make the game less luck based. The way to balance out randomness is by having more iterations. Best of x matches is how magic balances out randomness. Theoretically the better player will have increased odds of winning and will win more of x games. Removing randomness increase the gap between skill and unskilled. The unskilled player get's less free wins. A 30% win rate is what's needed to keep small mice playing with large mice.Best of 3 decks are designed for best of one for game one. Then specialize for a match for games 2 and 3. The loser gets an advantage game 2 to increase odds for game 3. Sometimes decks want certain cards from the sideboard when going first or second.Try making like top 10 decks with instructions on the most optimal way to play. 10 decks are 750 cards, about 9 inches of cards. Or make an off magic set and sell it as a living card game. There's no way you're able to design 6 balanced and unique decks.
>>97156634>I just can't go in since I'm bannedHow did you manage that
>>97157703He probably stole and got caught. They don't arrest criminals unless they're white in liberal areas. So, the store banned him because that's all they can do. Or he is a smelly faggot that no one wants to be around.
>>97157726>>97157703I'd say the most probable reason a tg user would be banned from a store is cheating. The autismo is too much for it to be stealing or trouble with other peopleProbably palm'd cards or snuck in extra stuff at his draft/pre release
>>97157815My guess is he offended a tranny or came in dressed as a nazi.
>>97157701It's not a mash of EDH. EDH has singleton and the command zone as the most defining mechanics. It uses the companion mechanic. The problem with BO3 is time and idle time between rounds for some of the players that had quick matches. A BO1 league for 6 players instead is going to be shorter. With that in mind there is a question to answer: Which decks? 6 full best-of-one balanced against each other, or so to say a tradtional battle-box. I see it like this, bigger decks are going to be more difficult to learn and pilot, so that's why I thought of less diverse decks, strictly 3x8. The warchest-wishboard adds 6 cards so you have 14 cards to learn. Balancing the warchest mechanics is tricky, so I thought of taxing access too. Late-game you are going to be pitching lands for bombs to resolve stalemates but early game you might have to sacrifice on-ramp drops for interaction. The idea is to give some resources that can turn the tide of the game.As in any battle-box decks are going to be pre-defined, so if Simic by default has a more advantageous archetype it would get worse cards.The idea of the proposal is to support more curated experiences instead of ruined by UB sanctioned formats, so if anybody wants to suggest a 8+6 deck, I will add it to the chest and print it.
>>97157906> EDH is singletonClaiming ignorance about a best deck/strategy because you print countless useless cards is how you get another forgotten card game.
>>97157619>BLOCK WOMYNS IN STEMnah thats the least bad part about that art. It just feels corporate and digital. It doesn't feel like a painting straight out of a wizard's spellbook.
the piggies are rebelling against the farmer!
>>97156556>>97156630Based but we are doomed to suffer as wotc prints more and more sorceries, and even instants, on a stick. Pretty removal and interaction will simply be a question of whether you want the 2 drop etb counterspell with flash or the 3 drop etb counterspell with flash
>>97158003>etb uhm anon, that's not fun, everything is on cast trigger now!So you don't feel bad if they counter it :)
>>97157982
>>97158003somehow i don't think any of this will affect invasion block constructed or my cube
>>97157982All mtg players are equal, but some are more equal than others
>>97157942Now do the same with Counterspell.Still you have a point I don't know anything about EDH other than hearsay like endless tutoring...I don't care about this argument, if you think that a 99+1 always alive card is the same as this, I don't know what to say.
>>97157982When the pressure of people will be enough to make this faggots change?
>>97158235JotC will say>The sets sell well>You still get 3 original sets of Magic every year
>>97155764>flying???
>>97158253>3 original Magic sets>VS 4 non Magic setsI think the proportion is fucked up.
>>97157701I'd sex Zimone.
>>97157815>>97157726NTA, but I've been soft banned from my LGS for actually being too good. the owner actually pulled me aside and said that people would stop coming on the day I came over because they'd always lose against me. it's not like I was some sweat either. I just wanted to relax and play games after a long week. eventually I got fed up with the whining and they started to charge me to come and play.
>>97158235Pressure of whom? EDH players don't care, and they make up 90% of the people. The rest will just wither away along the rest of MTG, also called "60 card formats".
>>97158255UB don't have to make sens chud
>>97158267>They started charging me to come play, just because I'm that goodHmm, idk dude how often do you shower?
>>97158267>game is so shit that to keep players playing you have to keep good players outunironically not your faulton the other hand, it's understandable.Once you play this game "well", all the design flaws comes to the surface.
>>97157508I'll nibble but I need a touch more info and theory explanation.Is the warchest considered a "deck" for cards that concern themselves with such? IE Panglacial worm, tutors, wish/learn cards.With 1 of the 6 warchest cards being required to be a legendary of the tribal, why?You seem on the fence about this legendary thing from the two bits you mention it. The 1st makes it sound optional, but the 2nd makes it sound manditory. So is this restriction real or not? You gotta make up your mind. (I would personally lean towards not or have the requirement be more for flavor [IE all cards share a watermark], but Im not the one designing this. But I guess it's something the chest maker can decide from the skeleton of these rules.)Can the warchest pool contain a card that's also in the deck? IE having 3x of a tron piece in the deck and then 1x of that tron piece in the warchest.What happens if you put an actual companion card in the chest. Do you need to follow it's conditions?
>>97158387>Is the warchest considered a "deck" for cards that concern themselves with such? No. It's outside of the game like the sideboard.>With 1 of the 6 warchest cards being required to be a legendary of the tribal, why?>You seem on the fence about this legendary thing from the two bits you mention it. The 1st makes it sound optional, but the 2nd makes it sound manditory. So is this restriction real or not? You gotta make up your mind. (I would personally lean towards not or have the requirement be more for flavor [IE all cards share a watermark], but Im not the one designing this. But I guess it's something the chest maker can decide from the skeleton of these rules.)Not required, but as flavor for a series of tribal decks to pitch against each other.>Can the warchest pool contain a card that's also in the deck? IE having 3x of a tron piece in the deck and then 1x of that tron piece in the warchest.No, the 3 limit is like the 4 limit of 60 cards, you don't get a fifth copy in the sideboard either.>What happens if you put an actual companion card in the chest. Do you need to follow it's conditions?No, because you could put it in your hand by paying three regardless, so following the companion restriction would offer no benefit.
>>97158443Some other non-gameplay quick critiques I have.The AI art cardback(?) has a graphical error in the oval compass rose thing. The spikes are asymmetrical vertically and horizontally. Left has a strange curved up and sharp look while right is more shape correct but rounded. Up looks bigger than down, this might be because up looks to be sharper than down.Warchest would normally be spelled War_Chest. I assume it's to set it apart from the real thing but it feels off in some reguard.The acronym for it is going to be WC, as in the toilet. Considering you're likely a euro Im surprised this passed you, Im a burger and even I caught that.
>>97158443You forgot to answer the question about cards that care about locations. Like learn or wish.
>>97158273your face does not make sense either
>premodern on mtgoSome of the decks look pretty cool and fun. I'd like to try it if the client didn't lag like crazy and constantly crash. It used to work for me. I played on it for 5+ years back in the day, on far worse hardware. Reinstalled, changed computer, and nothing worked. Anyway, I sold out. i'd rather have 1k bucks in my bank account. 0.8 dollars per ticket was a pretty good deal.
>>97155764>TQ>racetreefolk>classshaman
>>97158554These mechanics would let you avoid paying the cost to access the PIC RELATED, so they would work as if they were going to the sideboard.>>97158472Don't take offense, I am just joking.
izzet genuinely needs about 14-15 bans to bring it in line with the rest of standard.
>buy a box of old cards from a irl collector's sale (All pre-8th Edition)>Looking through them and logging them into Deckbox.org>Get 1/3rd through>lose interest>set it aside>1 month later still haven't touched itIt's over for me, isn't it?
>>97158231My main complaint is that the better player will win more. And using luck to balance the win rate keeps the game enjoyable for most people. But now you're making the gap between beginner and expert even wider.Aggro decks will be disadvantaged because it will have less resources to access the wish boardControl/Midrange have access to whatever card they need for any situation at least once and the resources to pay for it.Combo has access to combo pieces at all times in a zone that can't be interacted with. Or every deck will have a win the game combo in the wish board.Try making wish board only cards. then you can balance the access cost to play style.
if you have to use luck in your game to give retards a chance to win, then your game isn't good.
>>97158700>>97158710>it's a -1/-1 counter setBASED
>>97158601I don't give a shit about you using AI art or not. I'm saying that the art had an error in it.>picThe hell is the combat pouch? This was not outlined in your posts at all until now.Be level with me for a moment. Am I talking to you as a person designing a format or am I basically talking to a chatgpt instance and it's doing almost all the actual work? Because the outlining for the rules and mechanics of this format seem to be inconsistent which leads me to believe I'm talking more to an AI than you.I don't care if this is being AI developed. But keep a design doc to at least keep things consistent as the meat puppet part of this.
>>97158710>this is the supreme hot bitch of the planegrim
>>97158723lorwyn elves always looked kind of fucked up
>>97158717Anon, you're talking to an actual mentally deficient individual who believes AI is the magic genie that will make him rich and famous.
>>97158710i thought you fags told me this plane was gay now...
Invest in Hapatra stock now.
>>97158740No you see, that's a man because... uhh... I don't like the card
>>97158717That joke went over your head I guess. Want me to explain?>>97158614No combos in the wishboard seems logical. As this is going to be a pre-designed format it's not an issue. >>97158738I just want to make a battle-chest or whatever you want to call it. AI art really makes people seethe even when it's just a dumbass back for a card.
>>97158723At least it looks like she is pretty stacked. The toe nails might need some trimming.
>>97158710Blight seems kinda shitty, but it'll be hard to say for sure until we see the obligatory 2 mana signpost uncommon that interacts with it.
>>97158763>lelelele ai makes people seetheNo, it just makes them annoyed.If you're going to relegate an important aspect to an RNG algorithm on any aspect of your project, it shows you either are fucking retarded or don't give a shit.If you wanted to do shit you would go learn the shit you need to do in order to realize your project.Graphic design is literally piss easy.If you couldn't be bothered to do that, no one would expect a good game from you.
>>97158738Im aware, the op is chatgpt formatted. But I can bully the meat puppet part of this.I'll take it even if it's just regurgitated AI stuff because the alternative is this thread being about trannies and UB.
>>97158671That is every trading card game ever. It's an essential factor for games because the vast majority of games are between a parent and child or two children with different skill levels. Sport's are where you want to see skill outshine luck. but there is still luck involved in football. A battle box or living card game is where you would get the most skill expression from a card game. MtG lost the sport aspect and is now more of a board game.This isn't the case for games against the house where the win rate needs to be skewed towards the house or else the games wouldn't be ran. That's why card counting is against the rules in blackjack. It allows the player to know win the win rate is in his favor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av5Hf7uOu-o
Well at least art seems to be good so far.
>>97158671Luck is a skill.If I win you by luck is your fault for being an unskilled bonobo.
>>97157508I can get a deck of 30$ Vintage for, you guessed it, 30$US, approx. 45Euro. Why pay more for your janky thing as a proxy when I can get the legit experience for a lower price?
>>97158821wait for the unavoidable amount of homosexual cards incoming.
>>97158821im hoping to see some sexy shadowmoor kithkin
where are the noggles
>>97158800Luck is a factor, not an essential.You never want luck to be a focus, but rather something that accompanies something else.And in a multiplayer game you never want to create wincons or comebacks through luck or using luck as an excuse to close an intellectual skill gap.That is how you get modern games where one thing can decide the outcome of a game because by "Luck", you drew the out so you "oughta win the game".Might as well turn card games into competitive one armed bandits.>posting garfield's lecture>hasn't it figured outModern consumers that can't understand the words they consume are why shit is like this now.Stop fucking disagreeing, you ain't getting lucky.
Thank God more spoilers dropped. My trough was almost empty.
>>97158860Shadowmoor is not more.
>>97158612>play at least every week>personal stuff happens>stop going to locals, don't even play kitchen table anymore>new cards are not interestingit's ogre
>>97158710UNF WHEEEW LADS
Anyway, story recap. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/lorwyn-eclipsed-episode-4-fetch-me-that-flower>Kirol is grumpily being taken away by Lluwen, complaining that they're not even wearing the proper shoes for this kinda walk, but Lluwen asks what the fuck shoes are>Kirol takes the time to explain that what Lluwen calls 'foot covers' are shoes, or boots, to keep feet from hurting and whatnot>Lluwen asks Kirol if their feet hurt, they say yes, extremely so>This Seinfeld-ass conversation goes on for a bit until Kirol accidentally threatens Lluwen and they're almost to Lys Alana, which is, according to Lluwen, the most beautiful city in the world>Kirol sees the trees starting to become more and more orderly and patterned, and when they see Lys Alana, they go "oh damn okay" because it's a gorgeously gilded wooden masterpiece and whatnot>Before Kirol can really ask anything, Lluwen takes them to the High Perfect, which Kirol doesn't even know what that is>All they're told is that if they insult the High Perfect, they will be killed>They both brush past some curious elves and get to the High Perfect's place, Lluwen says that Kirol has some knowledge of Isilu and why it's awake>They get inside proper, and there she is, and, naturally, she's perfectly symmetrically beautiful because she's a Lorwyn elf that's their thing>Kirol internally panics because they have NO idea what to do in such a presence, and when asked who they are, babble out their name, awkwardly bow, cringe at the fact they bowed>Morcant asks if they're upset by the whole being stolen, they say they WERE, but aren't now because they got to see her>Morcant asks if they truly know why Isilu walks, Kirol gives the explanation that their group may have woken it up>Morcant explains that just being near the thing shouldn't have woken it up, there's a cycle, Isilu shouldn't be up while Eirdu is still awake>Kirol is just confused about everything now, they don't understand this cycle
>>97158710>>97158892Would you anons? Even with those feets?
Needs bigger tits
>>97158763>That joke went over your head I guess. Want me to explain?No there just wasn't anything funny. What am I supposed to find funny? The name? The image? I don't think there's an attempt at any sort of comedy here.
>>97158710damn son ok
>>97158785The most popular format of magic has access to a fixed card ALL THE TIME to the point the opponent cannot get rid of it completely. That's not so random. The companion mechanic is also not a random mechanic. The design settled on a 3 mana tax to draw it, ok: The wishboard borrows from that and it is also symmetrical so it's not a balance issue between companion and companion-less decks. Maybe the wishboard could be one use and done, maybe it could be smaller. I like it being 6 cards because it gives a round total of 30.>AIThere have been endless discussions about AI use in this board regarding its use for independent projects, and I don't really understand the prejudice against it. Some people say they prefer a crudely drawn picture by the author rather than AI slop. It's a valid preference, but basing the whole judgement on that decision by the author seems unreasonable.
>>97158861I'm saying Warchest is more skill based than standard 60 card format. I like the luck skill balance that mtg standard had before fire design.
>>97158909WarchestWCCombatpouchCP
>>97158900nothing personal, i'm just not into latinas
>>97158892>Morcant explains a bit about how Lorwyn-Shadowmoor works, basically that Eirdu and Isilu govern night and day now the Great Aurora's gone and all that>Kirol says that sounds like a different explanation than what Brigid told 'em>Morcant says that the Kithkin are an uncultured folk, and then further posits that since Isilu is out of cycle, maybe it's vulnerable, and they can kill it, so that glorious day can reign forever on the plane>Kirol tries to excuse themself, but Morcant's monologuing now, concocting a plan to use some sort of healing plant from Lorwyn to kill Isilu>Lluwen hears that part and seems somewhat distraught, Kirol tries to back away, but Morcant goes "Oh no, we'll have need of you for sure">Back to the remaining Scooby Gang, they finally notice Kirol's missing>Abigale and Tam have a brief argument about going to find them or continuing on to try and get home, Tam wants to get home as soon as possible, Abigale goes "that's out friend what the fuck" so she and Sanar go off to find Kirol>Sanar, following Abigale, notices a creature of some sort lurking in the forest that he can hear, but she can't, so he grabs a branch and tries to rush the thing>That doesn't work out, but it gets Abigale's attention and she tries to rush it, but the beast makes a loud enough noise that it overloads her hearing aid and she stumbles into the tributary nearby>Now, owlins can fly. They can't fly with waterlogged feathers, sadly, but she does have magic to get herself a bubble to breathe from>She's gonna just wait and see if she'll hit a shallow part of the river because that's the best course she's got>Unfortunately, there's things in the water, fishy people with weapons>She frantically tells them that she's sorry she didn't know this was their river, etc. before one of the merfolk tells her to stop>The merfolk sign languages to her, and her hearing aid eventually manages to translate it
>>97156567>>97158710So tired of these designs. They all just blend together after a while. It's always multicolored Legendary Creature that's engine + payoff in a single card.
>>97158964Is she really engine and payoff? All she does on her own is put one (1) counter on a creature. She needs shittons of elves around to actually serve as reliable removal.
>>97158951The joke is cheesy pizza?
How much money* do you need to spend on Arena to get a premium customer matchmaker? Isn't MTG Online cheaper, since its still using the pre-gatcha era matchmaking? Why can't someone just make a F2P game like Workstation have automated rules? Why could devs in early 90s do that in that one Shandalar game? It even had a working AI for singleplayer.(*cucking for piggies and wasting your time is also money, unless you're a third worlder)
>>97158993xmage and forge exist
>>97158936>comparing bad game design to luck designabsolutely low IQ>but muh AIif you use AI i am going to assume you just dont give a shit about your game that might have been developed with AI as wellit's about the principlebut no amount of chatgpt automatic answers will let you understand thatstop replying to me, you subhuman>>97158945>but methinks like thisOk? And what the fuck do you want from me now?Me replying to you means jackshit
saars, redeem the bob
>>97158956>He's basically just asking what she is, why she's here, all that. She explains they're all trying to tell the faerie queen about Isilu, etc.>Fish-guy tells her he has something she should see>She agrees, and the merman and a merwoman grab her and they swim off somewhere>Back to Sanar, running back to Tam, who asks where the fuck everybody else is>Sanar explains Abigale fell, and seems to be alright, but probably needs help>Tam has an internal conflict about this, reflecting on her 'teacher', a man that goes unexplained, but is somebody she avoids thinking about so as to keep him a secret (it's Jace it's obviously Jace), who'd want her to choose the option to protect herself and save the most people>So she decides to follow Sanar back to where Abigale fell, or more specifically to the waterfall attached to it>Remembering Brigid's words about "behind and beyond", she's figured what they're looking for is behind the waterfall>So she steps forward through the waterfall>Back to Maralen, stomping around and refusing something>Because there's some flower petals in her room that shouldn't be there>They shouldn't be anywhere, because they're the petals of Oona's flesh>This leads Maralen to a big old crisis that maybe she's STILL not actually her own person, she's just an extension of Oona>She angrily sweeps the petals away, looks in the mirror and sees Oona's face and then collapses of shock, hearing a distant laughter once more>She stands up just as the door opens, the faeries bringing in, oh hey, Sanar and Tam>Tam very quickly explains that Brigid sent them, they wanna get back home, etc.>Maralen hears another bit of laughter, then sends the faeries away before talking to Tam and Sanar proper>She asks how they came here, Sanar says they fell through a portal, and Brigid told them maybe Maralen could help
>>97158993Just be good at draft lol, you can complete sets in two weeks as F2P
>>97159041>Maralen can only ask who's gonna help HER, which confuses Sanar, she says the cycle's out of sync, Oona's returning, she doesn't know if she can stop her>Sanar has no idea what that all means>Before anybody can explain anything, in comes Rhys, with the fuck-ass faerie on his shoulder>Sanar immediately recognises it>Rhys ignores everybody else and turns to Maralen, accusing her of keeping this Oona thing a secret, wondering if it's already too late>Before she can really say anything in her defense, Rhys pulls his dagger out and lunges>And then, something extremely unlikely happens, twice>Rhys slips on a flower petal, and then slips on another and falls out of the window>Tam's hands are glowing, she explains that was her own probability magic at work>Maralen turns towards the faerie who's still there and asks why she doesn't know this one>The faerie doesn't answer, and Maralen explains to Tam that they have to go and try to fix the cycle because MAYBE that'll keep Oona from returning and stop Rhys trying to kill her, because despite everything she's not ready to die>The faerie, Tam, Sanar and Maralen all swiftly make their exist
>>97158710>4cmc win-more EDH baitInsane there was a whole Lord of the Rings set and we've still gotten 0 playable elves since fucking Dominaria
>>97159079
>>97158723You might be gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that
why don't we have proliferate but in reverse?
>>97155764>TQNon-jeskai Monks.
>>97159115Despite what it looks like, removing counters is actually more exploitable then adding them.That and they've stated they want you to never ever be able to remove poison counters from yourself.
>>97158710>>97158723Libtards figured out we can have "sexy" cards again so long as you make them all body positive Lady Dimitrescu clones, because twitter determined this is the safest horny design possible.
>>97159126>That and they've stated they want you to never ever be able to remove poison counters from yourselfWhy?
>>97159109I'll grant this was playable once, but it was never good.
>>97159115They probably haven't figured of a word yet for un-proliferating.But, in actuality, they figure that it'd probably be a balancing nightmare given how many counters are actually in the game. That, and exiling does at least help remove them.
Someone here that isn't biased please tell me whether or not I'm misremembering this. I stopped playing at khaladesh. I complained that foils bend now when chatting with my friends. All of them said I'm crazy and foils have always had the curling problem they have now. I don't remember it ever being this bad, if the problem was even present on old foils I didn't even notice it.Was there some disinformation campaign by WOTC or hasbro? Am I just retarded?
>>97159145If it wasn't good it wouldn't see play as a 4-of. Bad cards with specific usage go to the sideboard or get one maindecked copy as a silver bullet; Glissa was a midrange must have. When she drops she HAS to be answered otherwise she can stonewall pretty much any creature without indestructible or shields, and after that she can give you card draw, removal and even be a silver bullet herself push comes to shove.
>>97159126Ok tardnon explain this then
>>97159171>Target OPPONENT
>>97159036They're rocks!
>>97159126>never be able to remove poison from yourselfWhich is practically a joke since you can give yourself poison counters with proliferateThey really think a mechanic that one player can't interact with is a good thing in a 2 player game>>97159165>dwindle>decreasejust from one google searchYou could use "shrink""degenerate" as a synonym of dwindlingIf they put in proliferating despite the bloat of counters this game has, there would be no issue in subtraction
>>97159171Anon...
>>97159140It's one of the main design goals of poison. If it can be removed it's just life. As it is, one counter means you're 10% of the way to death, no ifs, no buts, always.
>>97159184Well what about THIS
>>97158710Holy shit, I don't even have to do a booba edit. What reality is this?
>>97159202They made this card decades ago when they didn't have any idea of what to do with poison and explicitly regard it as a mistake. The "you never get to remove them" rule was made in Scars of Mirrodin block.
>>97159170The GB midrange decks that played her in Standard were always bad, and in Pioneer elves she was a rarely seen 1-of Chord target at best. "3 cmc creatures that draws a card when it attacks" is barely on rate for the post-FIRE design Standard era, much less one that you can just chump.
>>97158705>>97158710Something about these art pieces don't feel very Lorwyny
>>97159196>Which is practically a joke since you can give yourself poison counters with proliferateWhy would you want to do this?>They really think a mechanic that one player can't interact with is a good thing in a 2 player gameYes, it is. The impossibility of removing it gives you dread. It makes the mechanic resonate emotionally.
>>97159230stop posting, maro
>can't remove poison counter from myself by any means>can give them to myself with proliferate>rot priest deck can solitaire opp's ass by T2genius fucking game design there
>>97159276rot priest was literally never anything but a meme
>>97159229Well because it's neither Morning nor Shadow. It's an Eclipse.
>>97159288(you)
>>97159276Why are you acting like people can't solitaire someone through life in the same amount of time? No amount of lifegain is going to matter there.
>>97159293You know I'm right nigger. Even with egregious poison support in the form of corrupted it was a joke of a deck because if you can slap someone with 10 counters you can easily spend that mana beating them to death. The ONLY people who bitch about poison are commanderbabs who let a 10/10 swing freely and then bitch and moan when it kills them
>>97159145>>97159224Ah I see, one of the best cards played as a 4-of in one of the best decks of it's format for like a whole year was actually always bad because dumbass anon said so. Thanks, I might have never known.
>>97159166They curled enough that you couldnt play them in pro play but back then you could press them flat and usually fix them.Now they are literally like a pringle its definitely much worse. I still have a box of foils from the early 2000s that arent curled.
>>97159303>>97159312>pls reply pls reply pls replyi used a rotussy deck and only mouse could outtempo meYou dont play the game
>>97159214Just admit you were wrong
>>97159335Out tempoing Arena babies isn't a difficult task. Surely lifegain is also top tier because it's good in standard arena best of one?
>>97159340I am literally right. Leeches was made when the only poison cards were dogshit 1/1 snakes that dealt 1 poison and it was a joke of a mechanic. Scars of Mirrodin was when they made it a set mechanic and introduced that design goal to make it actually impactful and not "life but worse." See >>97159201
>>97159343Surely if you like toast you must hate bread, right?Maybe fuck off back to t/v/itter, you south american palm tree molester.
>>97159335Do you think lifegain was beating mice? Why would you think removing poison counters would be the way to beat poison? The best way to deal with rotpriest would be just giving yourself hexproof, but nobody needed to do that because it was a fringe deck.
>>97159329There's like 3 places they print cards at and one is so much more dogshit than the others. During Guilds of Ravnica I bought a pack and the cards felt like cereal box paper.
>give yourself hexproof>on t1all i needed was 1 poison counteryou faggots really just want to argue
Oh you're playing a poison deck? I'm gonna scoop;. How about that.
>>97159405You got 1 poison counter, now what? You're going to proliferate NINE TIMES and kill me? I can kill you with nothing but Shocks and Lightning Strikes in that timespan
hexproof doesn't work against rotpriestyou niggas really dont play the game
>>97159405How are you proliferating 9 times to kill someone by t2, anon?
>>97159434Whenever a creature you control becomes the target of a spell, TARGET OPPONENT gets a poison counter.Hexproof = no targetNo target = no counter
>play rotussy priest>target my own shit>20 poison by t2
>>97159452How are you targeting your own stuff 9 times by t2, anon?
>>97159458Ask slopgptee
>>97159452if we're playing Omniscience Emblem and you have infinite mana, yes, maybe. anyway i play apex devastator and cascade four times
>>97159313Glissa was not played as a 4-of and GB mid was not one of the best decks of its format. The only thing GB mid had going for it was a slightly positive winrate vs RDW while getting completely shitstomped by Beans and Memory Deluge decks. That's why it never won anything.
>>97159447Still not talking about goonmander herego back to your containment general
>>97159476Only commanderfags bitch about poison
>>97159476You are a special kind of stupid aren't you?
>>97159464No, I'm asking you. You weren't winning by t2 with rotpriest in standard, while people were literally winning on t2 with leyline and cacophony scamp through dealing damage.
>>97159483>nooooo stop talking about bad game designmaybe you should stop talking with real people when your IQ is 79please shut the fuck up, you absolute subhumans have no clue about anything that goes beyond jizzing in your own mouth>>97159491But i did quite consistentlyLook, you drop priesttarget priest with ichorthen you attack and drop ratthen you just do icor or that other one and its gg>inb4 but its not t2blow it out your ass, autismo
>>97158705It seems w/u's mechanic is convoke to synergize with the previous Lorwyn merfolk.U/R seems to be mv+4 since it seems to synergize with convoke.B/R is probably blight or death triggers with B/G being proliferate.
do people draft anymore? attended various drafts (eoe, bloomburrow, ff) and there's always less than 8 people that show up
if i played two rotpriests, it was definitely t2
>>97159515What fucking ichor are you talking about? You're targeting your own priest with removal? That's not a t2 kill, that's not even a t3 kill. You did not play the deck, you likely don't play the game. Starting to wonder if you're even an actual human. You said t2, you meant t2. Aggro at that time was literally winning on t2 at times. Poison was slower than aggro. Lifegain wasn't going to do shit against aggro, removing poison counters wouldn't do shit against poison.
>>97159528Why the fuck would I go to an LGS and pay to draft with sweaty trannies when I can draft on Arena for free? This game is dead, dude.
>>97159534>play 1 rot priest t1>play 1 rot priest t2>cast one spell and proliferate >get three (3) poison counters>maybe 4 if you hit with a toxic creatureunless you cheated and put 4 mutagenic growths in your deck, no, you were not winning t2
>>97159528There's usually 16-24 at my LGS.
>>97159564Hahaha this retard doesnt know about the ichor!
>look up "ichor">see thisall will be one was so good, man
>>97159564the other one, the 1b>you dont play the gameliterally resorting to "no u"ing now just to disagreeyou plebbitfaggots are so fucking patheticyeah idc what the meta lists and your discord kittens told you about what the pro players were playing.Maybe try to build the deck yourself and get over your metaslavery before talking.By t2 the game was already checkmated because opp would sit either at 8 or 9 and any interaction would kill them.>making poison interactive would be mootAnd counterspells are exactly the same type of flawed game designNow say the epic comeback about how counterspells have been in the game since forever; it would truly show how epic skilled your are at card games.Who's your favorite mtgtuber, Timmy-kun?>>97159582>nooooo not t2irrelevantyou guys really fell for the only thing that could be attackedyou are pathetic shitters who can't play your own game
>>97159611>Jin fucking branded Tamiyo with the Phyrexia symbol i wonder if they were leaning into the Jin NTR memes.
>artist draws a perfectly rendered and beautifully formed foot>stages the character so that she dangles it delicately over her crossed legs>every piece of the art is crafted in a way to direct the viewer's eyes down away from her ugly face, down lovingly drawn and beautifully rendered legs, culminating in her foot>Wotc "art director" replaces the toes with nonsensical hoof-partswhat happened to my beautiful game?
>>97159632She always had the symbol.
>>97159616>the other one, the 1bTake your pick, anon. Which one of these are you talking about?
>>97159651are you retarded?
>>97159648Lorwyn elves don't have toes.
>>97159660They can't have leaned into the NTR memes because she had the symbol before those memes were a thing, anon.
>>97159661they normally don't have human ankles and shins either, my beloved footfag artist tried to fix this and WotC killed his dream
>>97159648>gooner tourist outs himself
>>97159654You had all that time to pick out those cards but didn't pick the one which is most obvious.And techniggas keep telling me chatbots are the future.Fucking unplug yourself.
>>97159676>the other onetry again, you clearly didn't mean the one I posted >>97159564
>>97159673since when has Wotc cared about things like artistic consistency? they could have given the elves toes on Lorwyn, they're just cowards afraid of their based footfag artists
>>97159683A normal person wouldn't make such a fuss over a typo.You give me the answer because i really don't believe your a real nigga.
>>97159648they couldn't even be bothered to edit it properly, the perspective ont the hoof is all wrong based on the rest of the leg and foot
The card i meant was>nuttin in the hoesor some shit like that
>>97159693Post the damn card then nigga. Are you talking about THIS? Assuming your opponent does literally nothing t1 or t2, this will give you four counters maximum t2. That's basically 8 life and you spent three cards and an attack for it. It's not even a good rate.
>>97159648The hoof part should start before, I think it would look better, not just as replacement for the toes.
>>97159693Just name the card, anon. Or post a picture. You can show me how it makes rotpriest win on t2, t3, whatever. I'll look like a fool, it's super easy for you to do.
>>97159708Image.
>entire deck folds to one (1) pyroclasm lollmao
>>97159724Same as it ever wasPyroclasm and elves have been in the game since 1995
>surveil 2, draw 2>draw 3, discard oneassuming same cost and type which effect would be the strongest?
>>97159709It wouldn't be as offensive if it wasn't so obviously a patch job. The artist obviously did this piece with beautiful human feet and wotc decided at the last minute to draw a hoof onto it. This isn't even what Lorwyn elve's hooves look like
>>97159708it's 4 counters by t210 counter by t3 even if you lose a priestdeck works also defensivelyand if your opp dont play shit, its even betterYou're trying to solve luck and variables with math in a vacuum like a fucking bot, that's your problem.
>>97159766surveil 2 draw 2 can go 4 deep draw 3 discard 1 only goes 3 deep
>>97159766depends on what graveyard synergies are in the format
>>97158900especially with cloven hooves!
>>97159229thats because this isnt a lorwyn set, its a strixhaven set wearing a lorwyn hat.
>>97158892how can I use AI to replace the hooves with toes? I can't goon to this
>>97159776>10 counter by t3 even if you lose a priestNo? Where are you getting those numbers from? If you lose a priest and cast three spells you will never get six counters. Whispers of the Dross will kill the creature at the fourth counter. You're assuming magical christmas land where no enemy does anything the whole game and you draw the exact sequence cards to play solitaire and win. Do they not remove your 1/2 and eat one singular counter? Do they not play any blockers? Do they not pressure you with their own attackers and you have to pivot towards defense?
>>97159801Start with this
>>97159766Depends on the format, but probably the surveil. It digs deeper and helps potential graveyard synergy. The discard one is nice if you happen to draw three good cards and ditch a bad one from your hand, but the odds of that are low.
Yes, anon, clearly the 60 card deck has nothing but dross, ichor and rotpriest because those are the only cards mentioned in this discussion.Priest wins by T2 when opp doesn't do shit.Priest doesn't win by T2 if i'm forced to respond to threats which the deck can deal with.For fucks sake nigga, you might genuinely be autistic>inb4 what other cardsask your favorite youtuber who can't play the game without prebuilt and pretested decks like the bug man he is
>>97159828>Priest wins by T2 when opp doesn't do shit.Again, we have PROVEN that you do not win by t2. You PHYSICALLY CANNOT DO THIS. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DO THIS you retard you CANNOT get more then 4 counters t2 even if the enemy does literally nothing the whole game
>>97159828>Priest wins by T2 when opp doesn't do shit.You keep saying this when it isn't true. You win t3 at the earliest. Aggro just goes leyline, scamp, double combat trick and actually wins the game. You can't use hyperbole to make your own examples look better when there are actual real examples against what you're saying.
>I HAVE PROVEN BECAUSE I SAY SOyou have proven nothingif you wanted to disprove it, you would build a deck and go playbut apparently you can't play the game unless the youtuber tells you how
>>97159844Turn 1 rotpriest.Turn 2 rot priest + dross for 3 countersRotpriest attacks for 1 counterEXPLAIN how you are winning t2 here. What is your secret trick to get SIX extra counters. It is literally impossible to win t2 with this deck
>y-y-y-yeah but it isn't winning on turn 2 if you also got another deck that wins by t2 because you're forced to respondyeah no shit niggayou fags really do not play the game
>>97159828list?
I actually played the deck, it loses 100% of the time. This is proof.
>>97159856nah, im going to play it at pro touralways the same shit with you autistic retard>noooo cori is bad >ends up destroying formats>nooooo vivi is bad>ends up destroying formatsyou really only parrot what the youtuber say
>>97159862
>>97159648furries won
>>97159865And where are the format destroying results of your rotpriest exactly? When did it see literally any play?
>>97159828why is this faggot still saying lies and retarded bullshit? is urzatard without tripcode?
Sorry, you have to brew your own deckyou aint getting shit from me
>>97159865make sure you hold up a card with this post's id when you win
Remember; the more people try to disagree or shill against an idea, the more likely they feel threatened by it.
>>97159882Quitter can't even keep up the baits
>>97159852>pass turn>opp targets my stuff twice without killing it>win
>>97159893look out for Rotussy>>97159895>noooo ur baitingyou retards always say the same fucking shit every timejust cope and seethe or kill yourselvesi dont care which
>>97159894Yes, this is why I need to drink sulfuric acid. I went to the hospital and everyone there disagreed with it, clearly big pharma is threatened by the idea.
>>97159905>my deck that saw no tournament results anywhere is totally broken guys!!!! I can't show it to you because you'd steal it (nevermind that it can't even be played anymore)
>>97159907>Yes, this is why I need to drink sulfuric acidOn the other hand, your autistic ass should drink acid because we all love natural selection here.
>>97159907>Yes, this is why I need to drink Ivermectin. I went to the hospital and everyone there disagreed with it, clearly big pharma is threatened by the idea.worked for me unironically
>>97159771>This isn't even what Lorwyn elve's hooves look likeYes, it is. I won't say it isn't retarded, but it's what they look like.>>97159709>not just as replacement for the toes.Hooves are toenails. Anatomically, it covering the toes is correct. The issue is that the rest of the foot should be modified the way it is in the majority of ungulates, rather than being kept as a plantigrade foot.
footfags are the fucking lowest of the low
>>97159931post the 'toss
>"GUYS IM GOING TO DRINK ACID">yes guy do it>he fucking does iti mean... these type of braniacs are insisting on poison not being a badly designed mechanic
>>97159940Please point me to the tournament results of rotpriest and we'll talk
Are we going to bitch about mill next thread and truly admit we're a bunch of commanderbabs?
>>97159961Sorry, i drank some battery acid to improve my memory and i remember i don't have to prove shit to you.
where is the ba sing se schizo now?
>>97159940wdym, I've been doing it my entire life and I'm just finejust yesterday I came up with a new rotpriest brew
>>97159865how many spellskites?
>>97159976>i remember i can't prove shit to you.ftfy
>>97159981crying in a corner after his land is bounced for the 37374th time
>>97159648Sorry, what? I was staring at her boobs.
>>97159981Same place as the last agni kai schizos, the firebender ascension schizo, and the foggy swamp visions schizo. They just move onto the next shiny thing after they realize they're not getting results.
>>97159988Same bro.You can just tell all these Rotlets don't drink their daily acid.
selesnya infect is the best infect
>All of twitter crying and bitching about how every Standard year is constant Izzet top8’s that need multiple bans every years>Literal paragraphs and charts and articles and blogs and videos and hundreds of crackhead theories as to why this keeps happening >Not a single person talks about how White is still gone from StandardI am a lone crusader in an unholy land
>>97160054I wish Standard was gone from standard
>>97159917>it's what they look likeLorwyn elves have goat feet, as in feet covered in fur with cloven hooves, the art you're responding to has no fur, just a completely human foot except for hooves where the toes should be. It's not at all the same.
>>97160058what
>>97160054Maybe if white got poison it would become the new OP.
>>97159971As a commanderbab, and occasional poison user, I can safely say he's completely retarded
>>97159870we won with cumigawa
>>97160054The actual problem of every format and every single last year game decision: UB. Universes Beyond has lead to such an amount of sets and such an amount of cards that is impossible for this incompetent retards and stupid designers to actually make this game balanced. We are doomed because they are also under the most greedy corpo ever and they will not cease in their attempt to squeeze the last sheckel from their "customers".
the problem of this game is not UBit's that this game is designed by retards who do not have an ounce of acid in their brains
>>97160095The thing about WotC is that they're not just greedy, they're also retarded.
>>97160054You are a /pol/ crusader in a (shitty) disguise and you are rightfully ignored by most other posters.
>/pol/ boogeyman out of nowheredamn, redditsisters, did the youtuber tell you about le raysist 4choengs?
>>97160100I think they are taking too much acid with these designs if anything
I fucking wish White was dead at least then Modern would be free
There is an acid boom in Nebraska
Bring back faeries as G small creatures with flying
>>97160129Something like this?
>>97160175hmmthat would have synergy in a rotussy deck
>>97159043Look it's that German tranny from mtgag, sweeping for WotC. I have a 60-70% winrate in Limited, I don't give a slightest shit about "completing my sets", I am talking about>fast matchmaking >no rigged matchups>if I go to *ranked* which *totally doesn't look at your deck* with a deck filled with no wincon but endless cheap spell counters & kill spells to farm my kill quest, I want to play against normal decks, i.e. 90% if the meta, and not obscure 0.0001% decks that no one else ever sees in ranked (totally a coincidence)
Everyone's talking about how Worlds was won by backsies, but why is nobody discussing the fact that his opponent in grand finals had 0 pieces of instant speed interaction in his whole list? Isn't this emblematic of a rather large issue where removal isn't effective anymore so the game is basically Hearthstone in terms of people always getting their big turn with no fear of reprisal? Isn't one of the big boogeyman of WotC's favorite format (Commander) combo decks, i.e. decks that explicitly and disproportionately benefit from no instant speed interaction being playable against them?
>>97160193If you're losing against obscure offmeta decks it's your own damn fault. A deck is out of the meta for a reason retard
>>97160095This statement would only be true if white was equally as powerful, but it’s not and has not been for over a decade. All cards are all designed at the same time yet every year only red and black and blue are overpowered. Ten years of keeping one color underpowered is not coincidental.
>>97160193I get all of these
>>97160209In this case removal would be actively counterproductive to what the deck wants to do, which is cheat this card out
>>97160125That still wouldn’t stop AmuletTitan wankery so you clearly must enjoy watching sweatbeards jerk off with infinite loops
>>97160209>so the game is basically Hearthstone in terms of people always getting their big turn with no fear of reprisalkeep going, you're almost figuring it out
>>97160209It's a deck based around a Living Death effect, anon, it doesn't want to interact beyond the absolute minimum because both counters and removal would fill the enemy graveyard, and it's also running against a deck that goes under literally all interaction. Maximizing its own speed and efficiency was the best way forward; in fact, they literally would have won if it wasn't for the THREE takesies backsies he got
>>97159648Retard
>>97160260Decks like this traditionally ran GY hate until the game reached critical mass of racing your opponent being not only the best, but the only real approach to any game.
>>97160332What are you talking about?
>>97160210>*SF* NPC impotently trying to turn it aroundLet me try one more time, Gerrytroon.>I WANT TO FARM KILL QUEST>I GO RANKED LADDER WITH DECK FULL OF KILL>(this mode is supposedly not looking at your deck, say all the do it for frees who sweep for WotC, like you)>CREATURES DISAPPEAR FROM LADDERYour next move is going to google and getting an AI generated reply.
>>97160399>the game is intentionally putting me against decks that prevent me from doing questswhy would they do this
>>97160413The same reason the government is intentionally training pigeons to shit on my car, because I know the truth and they want to keep me down.
>>97160399if the game was putting me against weirdo offmeta decks instead of the 37374th izzet lessons netdeck of the week i would be glad, not sad
>>97160171Bring back faeries as onaholes
>>97160430You need to tank your hidden match making rating.My suspicion is when you're playing best of three. They give you the worse of the two hands, if you won game 1. To ensure a game 3.
>>97160413>why would they do thisBecause it increases the amount of time you play their gamealso>Expectancy and surprise further shape player responses. When players anticipate a win and it occurs, it reinforces their expectations, creating a positive feedback loop. Conversely, unexpected wins or near-misses generate surprise, which activates the brain’s novelty detection systems, boosting arousal and engagement. These responses are rooted in cognitive biases such as the “illusion of control,” where players believe their choices influence outcomes even in chance-based games.
I know it's a minor complaint given everything else, but it really does bug me that they changed the number of fingers that flamekin have.
>>97160413>why would the quest rewards be in multiples of 50 when everything you can buy is in multiples of 100?
>to inflate play timeyeah if i ain't winning i just altf4
>>97158746Oh neat, this goes infinate with Maskwood Nexus or Conspiracy.Comemeder players are gooning to this.
>>97160552>not just alttabbing and shooting ropes why you rope
>>97160511>You need to tank your hidden match making rating.Based. By the way, in case anyone thinks this is schizo talk, I literally got two of my accounts banned - permanently, no refunds - for doing this. Two more accounts got 30 day bans, two more accounts got away with it because they were unironically pretending to be Black women. I still have the ban mails where the jeets explicitly call it "Tanking" and claim it's against the rules. I bet it doesn't say anywhere, because then they would be openly admitting that rank doesn't mean shit, it's all based on your hidden MMR/WR.
>>97160653>that rank doesn't mean shit, it's all based on your hidden MMR/WR.That was clear, I'm in diamond at the moment but met the 1600th, 1500th and 330 mythic ranked today, also I've seen my friends stream at diamond and he meets people who don't even know how to play.
>>97159166Kaladesh marked a distinct shift in print quality where the pringling became a lot more common. The Amonkhet starter decks had a noticibly different card stock from the cards in packs of Amonkhet. In [The Current Year] something like 70% of all the printing presses in the world that are able to print cardstock are contracted out to print magic sets, as opposed to back in the yee olde days where it was exclusively printed with some ultra high qualty belgian printing press in one of two factories, one in Europe and the other domestically in America.New cards absoltely curl more often, and there is mountains of recorded proof, but we are also at the point where WotC prints 6million times as many cards as they used to in all sorts of different specialty ways.
Reminder that standard still has a 1 card win condition in it that gets better with every set release and 6+ cmc cards with alt cast methods or utility landsAnd YOU ALL FORGOT IT EXISTS
yeah i dont fucking care there is always some sort of broken 1-card-i-win- no-combo-cum-in-pussy-2cmc-reanimate-your-mum-from-the-GY-counterspell-your-marriage-teenageavatarstartrek-poison-counter-on-spiderwoman-in-the-ass card in every fucking format that gets ignored until everyone literally begs wotc to ban that shit wich they rarely do only for that shit to get replaced by the next cum-in-the-ass-instawin card
>>97160748I play this in scapeshiftless scapeshift. Flipping a Colossal Rattlewurm off this bad boy.
>>97160788Reanimate and other combos require you to set up with multiple cards, fill your yard, find your pieces, etc. Superior spidermeng needs to mill multiple specific creatures to win, no bringer no comboCarnosaur can be nothing but lands, removal/utility/ramp spells and carnosaur and like 3 electroduplicates as dead cards. Can be 4x steaming sauna, 4x horned loch whale, 4x twinmaw stormbrood, etc
>>97160748There will be around 2,600 cards in standard before it rotates. Only a couple hundred cards ever see play. They all have FIRE design
>>97160815>wizards kept an unplayable 5 mana sorcery in the banlist all the way through NEO's rotation even though the meta was "end the game on turn 3-4 with heartfire hero or omniscience"lmao I wish they even cared enough to do it intentionally for spitethey just forgot what it was like back when the game was playableimagine invoke despair being standard legal nobody would ever see it in game
i really don't understand why they are like this with banning cardsThey are so afraid of even admitting that they're designing cancer that they will let the game burn for years
>>97160815>There will be around 2,600 cards in standard before it rotates.when i type f:standard into scryfall i get 3715 results
>>97159776Back in my day we played Inkmoth Nexus and 4x Mutagenic Growth to get 9 poison counters on turn 2
>>97160890Back in my day we played lotus, channel, fireball to deal 20 damage on turn 1
>>97160890old fogey hereback in my day way back yonder let me tell you about
I have not posted about this discussion yet so please don't sperg at me.The Venerated Rotpriest deck in Modern uses free spells in order to build a jank storm deck. You get Rotpriest into play, then stack up a bunch of free spells like Gutshot, Gather Courage, Mutagenic Growth, and finally Ground Rift to build up the counter quickly. Summoner's Pact finds the Rotpriest while also being a free cast to build up storm for Ground Rift or GrapeshotYou can find lists here https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-venerated-rotpriest/decksHypothetically, yes this can generate turn 2 kills. I didn't read through the reply chain and I don't know what format is being talked about, but for Modern the turn 2 Venerated Rotpriest kill is possible.
>>97160919Completely irrelevant, as he was talking about standard and running cards like this guy.
>>97160919there are numerous turn 2 kills available in standard right now
Why are you trying to resuscitated the discussion?
>>97160743It was so bad that Kess from the commander precons, which was foil only, had to have an official proxy in legacy.
>>97160944Wait, what decks can get a kill turn 2?
>>97160810Yes, and in exchange it doesn't win you the game. It's a large tempo swing, but a survivable one, in comparison to the overwhelming amount of power Bringer puts on the board. >horned loch whale>twinnmaw stormbroodYou can't discover into either. To cast a discover spell it needs to be in the confines of the discover. A Discover 4 would not let you cast Fetch Quest out of a Bramble Familiar.
At this point, when even wotc doesn't care about what they put out, why is anyone besides competitors who want to grab that bag, even buying cardboard anymore?Just use your printer
yeah no i am not buying a worthless cardboard rectangle for more than 0.50centsi don't care that it's """meta"""
Lorwyn is doomed isn't it? All the cards revealed have been shit
>>97161001can't have the set hurt UB sales anon.
>>97160969manifest dreadmox opal + leyline of transformation + firebending student
>>97160970>he doesn't knowYou use no cards under 6 mana other than electroduplicate & relm's sketchingyou make up to 8 hasty trumpeting carnosaurs and attack for 56 trample haste damagewas that so hard to figure out
>>97161019>mox opal>standard
i haven't played since after bloomburrow, played a little when Finalfantasy came outhaven't touched arena since
>>97161028That seems like a deck that folds immediately to any interaction. All those decks are.
>>97160969Only one left now is the manifest dread into omniscience combo I think, now that heartfire is banned and scamp rotated.
>>97161064ok
>>97160969Only true janklords know aboutt1 leyline resonance, leyline transformation choosing dragon, spirebluff canal, mox jasper, 2x stormchaser's talent or elusive ottert2 mountain, any 1 mana noncreature cantrip like boomerang basics, 2x turn inside out or full borethe otters become 4/4s and the combat tricks double to add 6 power each, swing in for 20yes that's 10 cards with 1 cantrip, you can only do this on the draw and you need to draw these exact cards, plus draw into a combat trick on t2 with the cantripalternatively, I think you can only do one combat trick and use burn together instead
>>97161068You didn't keep a turn 1 removal hand? you lose the game to splash portal before you get your 2nd land
>>97161028You're just a reanimation deck that's kneecapping itself. What you gain in the reliability of carnosaur you lose in deckbuilding restrictions; you have to play all-adventure or all-omen cards, meaning all your removal is usually below rate and thus you have way worse tools to defend yourself until you get to the point where you can put Carnosaur in the board. Electroduplicate and your haste enablers are completely dead cards on hand if you don't have a dino in the field already and if someone blows up your Carnosaur in response to a Relm's (which they will because your deck is telegraphed as fuck) you basically lose then there.
>>97161187turn 1 leyline (of resonance), land, miteturn 2 land, mite, wild ride, attack for 22that's already a turn 2 kill and requires no retarded leyline of transformation + mox jasper
>>97161190What if you manifest a land though
going into instawincoombos is boring as shityou do it once and then all the magic fades since what the hell are you even doing? you're just simulating
>>97161206>he doesn't extraneous pieces to his combo for funngmi
>>97161170>trash anime vs tranny chandraThe Dark had the best era of art of any trading card game
>>97161001>All the cards revealed
>>97161192refer to >>97160810Carnosaur combo is a deck that doesn't have to play a stupid amount of dead cards like bringer / terror of the peaks / ardyn, doesn't have to set up its combo with multiple spells just to mill itself like overlord / town guy / broodspinner / bookworm, and it doesn't have to assemble a 3+ card combo like "kaevaro in hand, bringer + terror in graveyard"That means it can devote 24+ card slots to just removal, draw spells, utility, ramp, etc. The restriction is they have to be 6+ mana cost or copy/flicker carnosaur, but guess what, we have a ton of good options in standard right now because of rooms and adventures and omens.do you know how many cards in reanimation decks right now are dead in hand? 8+ minimum
>>97161219>likes eater of the dead>dislikes desu za choisuweird but goes to show you guys just hate anything out of japan because reddit ccp agents told you so
you can win with ardyn reanimator by t3
>>97161277>turn 3what a fucking slowpoketurn 3 in standard you get hit by opponent's high noon
>>97161277>t3 winlmao where do you think you are, pauper?
>>97161290I don't need to play more than one card a turn
>can't enjoy any format because they're all some flavor of pseudo solitaire cancerand you keep wondering why they keep printing more UB slop to bring in new players for short term profits
>>97161296how do you win the game on turn 3 with rule of law out
>>97160380>4x Force of Negation>4x Grief>2022I know it's hard to envision a pre-FIRE era of gameplay but please try.
>>97161170>death, the choiceedge kino of the Nth degreee
>>97161344easyi have never seen that card
>>97161232And yet it will get flattened by any real reanimation deck, because like I said, its answers are below rate. Sultai Reanimation has a total of 8 cards that are dead on hand. Exactly 8. The thing you don't seem to understand is that having to spend time milling and discarding cards isn't a weakness, because it does all of that through card selection engines like Broodspinner, Overlord of the Balemurk and Oblivious Bookworm that also double up as threats and blockers, or through cards that are powerful answers like Bitter Triumph. It puts its preferred reanimation targets in the grave WHILE it's answering, digging for specific cards and setting up a board, while your deck will have to sit there like a moron playing 3 mana for 5 damage or some other similar overcosted brick HOPING to draw into one specific card that will win you the game. If Carnosaur combo was any good, people would be playing it. But they aren't.
Is plan a new card type?is the goyf getting bigger?
>>97161374Enchantment subtype. Does not count for goyf, no
>>97161353cards that do nothing but mill yourself / replace themselves are also dead cards in hand with no board impact / interactionSteaming Sauna, Unholy Annex, Loch Whale, Relm's Sketching, Marang Regent, etc etc all cards that actually do something to affect the board
>>97161328https://medium.com/@lannynyny/iron-man-vs-the-hulk-6f31362b412>Older magic players loathe FIRE design because they feel like the games are out of their hands. Tarmogoyf would be a Hulk in Premodern while it can no longer hang in Modern. Modern’s Dreadnought can be played as a land drop, at instant speed, or with infect and flying. There’s no dance. No tact. Just smash. Every top tier modern deck is driving in first gear all the time. Here’s my 8/8 for UU, here’s pair of 4/4 tramplers at instant speed. Here’s an Archon of Cruelty or two. There’s so much redundancy. 12 enablers, 12 pay-offs. “First gear chooses you”? Nah bro, I’ll mulligan.>As time goes on, power creep will produce bigger Hulks. I don’t loathe FIRE design, the Hulk v. Hulk game can still be an intriguing puzzle, I can always search for the gears in limited, and I think overpowered standard sets are better than underpowered. Magic is still a great game, but Premodern gives us a balance that contemporary magic has lost.I'm not a Premodern maxi but this article summed up how I feel about it. A lot of the magic of Magic has been lost because every deck operates with a full throttle ahead game plan and has no subtlety anymore
>>97161428yeah, it's brain dead>magic is still a great gamei honestly feel disgusted how they force themselves into praising literal pig shit and not calling it like the pig shit it ismtg players just suffer from the sunk cost mentalitythey can't quit and they have to keep coping that the game is great because they already wasted ludicrous amounts of time and money into it and all their social lives revolve around itit's cancer and it is no surprise that no one new sticks around
>>97161428Older magic players are in the minority.
>>97161427Balemurk is rarely ever dead on hand. It doesn't replace itself, it mills and then lets you bring back any creature from your graveyard. It's card SELECTION, plus a body, retard. Bookworm is a blocker. Analyze the Pollen is a tutor and a land cycler, Awaken the Honored Dead is removal and card selection, Harvester of Misery is removal and a sweeper, and Bitter Triumph is removal are also not dead on hand either. What you're not understanding is that Reanimator doesn't mill and leave it at that, it mills while gaining value and digging for cards. Just by spinning its wheels it's setting up. Your deck is trying to do control-combo, simply stall until it can instant win, but this is a flawed approach because it doesn't stall WHILE setting up its victory and its stalling tools all suck shit and are overcosted bricks.
>>97161516balemurk, analyze, dredger's insight, ardyn, terror, bringer are all effectively zero board impact cards for the first 5 turns of the gamebookworm and broodspinner are 2/3 blockers for 2 on an otherwise empty board, doing nothing but eating a removal spell to clear the way without even slowing down aggro going for an alpha strike
Rate my idea for a new cardOko and Uro {1UG}Legendary Creature - Elder Giant ShapeshifterLandfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, create a food token and Oko and Uro becomes 6/6 until end of turn.Whenever you draw a card, you may put a land from your hand onto the battlefield.Whenever you sacrifice a food, target creature becomes a 3/3 green Elk. Draw a card.{1UG}, sacrifice two food tokens: Return Oko and Uro from your graveyard to the battlefield. Gain control of all Elk creatures.2/2FIRE enough?
>>97161428Most old Magic players I know have either moved to F&B or exclusively play oldschool, premodern or cube now. I've seen alot of people who made the former migration describe F&B as "fixed Magic".
>>97161653FaB is way too different to be fixed Magic. There's nothing wrong with liking it more, and maybe you can argue it has the same "vibe" or whatever, but on a systems level it is pretty far from Magic.
>>97161428Calling Modern the Hulk is pretty apt, just dogshit value piles creating solitaire game. Players don't win, their decks just smash.
>>97161564And yet one got to Worlds and faced a deck with Ancestral Recall and Bolt that exiles and the other didn't.
>>97161564For aggro you aren't playing balemurk you are killing their things with the deck's removal. Aggro is much less of a threat now that they took a hammer to RDW's knees anyway
>>97161564Card selection is not direct board impact but it's vital, especially for reanimator. It lets you dig for the shit you want anon.
>>97161428The sad thing is this describes standard as well because all those busted ass FIRE cards are being printed straight into standard. I lost t3 yesterday to the stupid fucking badgermole and ouroboroid because of course he could tap for like 7 mana on turn 3 when I had only 2 lands out and had wasted my mana on a removal spell the turn earlier. He played some enchantment that lets him put an extra +1/+1 counter on a creature each turn, that cost 4 mana because of course it does. Then he beat my unblocked ass for like 18 points of damage.And it's every fucking deck in standard. Mossborn hydra isn't even threatening because it's a whopping 3 mana and usually too slow to compete with the sheer speed with which current standard decks build value. Playing a deck with ANYTHING critical that costs 3 mana on the draw is basically just losing. It's not even mono red most of the time. It's just everything. White decks that voltron into an 11/11 with ward 6 by combat on turn 3, black decks that drain you for all your life with a 2 card combo before you can even untap for an edict effect . At this point oops all counter spells and reanimator are the closest to fair decks for just creating value for the mana they spent, and playing honest creatures with little modification to their stats. No, I don't think a 1mana creature should be a 10/10 by turn 3/4. I really don't.
>>97161653Is a good time to leave this game? How is F&B? I feel this game will only get worse with each year...
>>97161653I miss FNM. Modern used to fire with 50 plus people. Star wars unlimited fills that spot now. I don't want Star Wars cards in the same way I don't want Star Treck MtG. No other card game draws a crowd the magic used to. The art looks fire, I might proxy a cube. How does it play?
>>97160815>lgs now host pre fire format tournaments>a bunch of boomers now show up>lgs are about to dump commander saturdays for riftboundWhat the fuck is going on
>>97160748Standard is a 4 turn format, who the fuck is living til turn 6
>>97160890I still play this modern I love playing Bug 'n Thugs
>>97162038turn 5 with any ramp pieceturn 4 with the nuts t1 sunken t2 saucer win 2 coin flips
>>97162182Have fun getting quenched bro
>>97162265>>97162265>>97162265
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>>97158710sexy woman? Wtf is going on? inb4 she's trans, gay, or has black husband
>>97158710Ehehehehe
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