Previous: >>97179266>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQHow much interaction do you run?
>tqIdk, a lot? What kind of vague fuckass tq is that?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>person plays a gaywalker>Can't interact with it until prio is passed>Once they use their ability killing it with a spell won't do anything because the ability is already on the stackPlaneswalkers are tranny coded
>>97185566Thirty but it's 2 v 2
Alternative TQ:>what is a mechanic or theme you want to build around, that didn't get enough support to make doing so viable?For me it's Party
>>97185573>>person plays a creature>>Can't interact with it until prio is passed>>Once it enters the battlefield killing it with a spell won't do anything because the ETB trigger is already on the stack
>>97185573>fits in every deck>ruins the game at instant speed
>>97185589>glorified seven-mana removal>fits in every deckHi there, Timmy.
>accidentally ordered a foil
>>97185578Skeletons
>>97185573>I have to follow the game rules, therefore it s trannyWhat are you retarded?
>>97185578>>what is a mechanic or theme you want to build around, that didn't get enough support to make doing so viable?>For me it's PartyIt did receive plenty of support
>>97185592>accidentally ordered a loli
>>97185598it takes a retard to fight a retard
>>97185578Rad counters. It will always be rad counters. I absolutely adore the idea of a player being "poisoned" and taking damage over time, but there's not enough cards to pull it off. You have to cheese it with mass proliferates and that's just so lame
>>97185578>alt tq0/1 Black Wizard tokens
>>97185616DOST PECKS
>>97185610Giving it the name RAD, from radiation, sadly limits them being able to bring it back easily. Well,. it wouldn't be hard because magic could cause radiation, but they can't be bothered to put that much effort into their world building
>>97185637Could have brought it back inMarvelSpider-ManEoEand Turtles
>>97185610>proliferation being a key component of the nuclear holocaust is lameMy dude that's the most flavorful thing imaginable.
> his commander works from the command zone
>>97185597I wish nothing but the best for you and hope you get your skeleton lord soon, skellyanon
>>97185698I'm not that anon, I'm just another anon who also enjoys the most iconic monster design
>bought some coomette proxies>girlfriend opened my package while I was at work>now she wants to break up with me because she thinks she's not enough got me or something because I wanted big funny boobs on my cardboard
>>97185722Ditch her. She sounds retarded
>>97185565Are you unable to count? No one else was confused by this question
>>97185698I'm skeleton anon>>97185597>>97185701I approve of these posts
>>97185722Assuming this is real, unlikely, break up. This is a very large overreaction unless she's incredibly religious. People usually only do this when they are cheating and trying to make you the problem so they have an easy out or just want to break up in general for the same reason.
Kino
>>97185722I am lmaoing at ur life
>>97185722>opened my package while I was at workFederal crime btw
>>97185546>TQDepends on the deck. I usually try to do ten pieces of interaction split between whatever card types the colors I'm building with can deal with. A bit more or a bit less depending on if there's repeatable interaction or if the deck revolves more around it. For instance, I'm trying Kraven The Hunter right now and I've pretty much packed it full of all the fight spells and options I had in my bulk so it's nearing double my usual removal amounts. Sitting upwards of twenty or so. Got to try it at game night this week to see how that feels in paper.
>>97185722Didnt happen, but if it did you deserved it
>>97185752She is mormon, but not like she wasn't sleeping with me outside of marriage already.
>>97185767Fake as shit
>>97185777Whatever retard.
>>97185578>not enough support to make doing so viable>meanwhile every set gets at least one good card for each party member, maybe even multiple, especially so for clerics and wizardsidk what you even want, especially when the "mechanic" itself is centered around widely approachable creature types, there is not much more support needed - and if there was it would just be the generic "get this overcosted effect cheaper for each party member"
>>97185637We just had a fucking space set. You know what happens in space? Fucking radiation EVERYWHERE. It was the perfect opportunity and they didn't do it
>>97185722>opened my package while I was at workThis is a deal breaker. A big one.
>>97185722If the person that you are doesn’t fit with the person she is, either you both need to make compromises to meet in the middle or you need to go your separate ways. People can and do change and grow together over longterm relationships, but that’s something that happens naturally as you expose one another to new things—not something you can force.Her kneejerk reaction here indicates that she either wants you to capitulate completely or she wants the two of you to go your separate ways. If it’s truly the latter, that’s fine. But, if it’s the former, you should follow through with ending things anyway. The sort of person who wields the end of a relationship or the withholding of affection as a cudgel isn’t the sort of person you can build your life around. Things will always be a struggle for dominance with someone like that, a dance on eggshells to avoid a threat while seeing what you can get away with for yourself. It’s not worth the headache.>t. happily married for ten years, after several false starts, now watching the incredibly unhealthy marriage of my parents-in-law buckle under the strain of an Alzheimer’s diagnosis
/edhg/ - Relationship Advice
>>97185578Really nigga?
>>97185838>4 cards is some massive infusion of support
>>97185578If you can't build a party deck then you're looking too hard for cards that have the word 'party' on them instead of looking for warriors, clerics, wizards, and rogues.
>>97185578If you run in to my gang, you better run boy
>>97185847What exactly do you want?
>>97185819>>97185833She hasn't ever opened my mail of checked my phone or anything before so didn't really see any other controlling behavior other then she and her parents asked me to join their family circle app or whatever so we could see where each other are for emergencies or whatever, but maybe that was a red flag I missed several months ago.
>>97185838>Thief isn't an elf>no Red Mage
>>97185853>run party commander>play Human Bard>"why my deck no worky!?!"
>>97185857Then the question to ask her is>Do you actually want to break up over this, or do you just think it's weird?Bonus points if there's some stuff about her that you think is weird so you can bring it up to say that you don't mind it that much.
>>97185858Sorry. Party is a Humans ONLY mechanic.
>>97185722to play devil's advocate, how much of a gooner are you?was she at her breaking point when she saw your ahegao jacket?
Did the captcha window change colors for anyone else?
>>97185877We both watch porn and we both know we both watch porn.Beyond that nothing.
>>97185865>>run party commander>>play Human Bard>>"why my deck no worky!?!"
>>97185893so your gf is fine seeing pornstars with big boobs but she can't handle drawings with big boobs? lol
>>97185879It changes depending on how long you go between posting. If it's been a while I get the weird scrolling/lining up characters type. After 1-2 of those I'll get the regular captcha. And then after a few of those I won't get a captcha for a while and can immediately post
>>97185900>party requires creatures to be on the battlefield>"sacrifice at end of turn"Hmmmm....
>>97185578Minotaurs are kind of ass
>>97185900>two fucking mana>for two warriors that you only get after attack triggers go off and are sacrificed at end of turnThere are vastly more efficient and effective ways of completing your party.
>>97185722What proxies did you get from him?
>>97185953His Jodah, and a suite of his white staples.
>>97185722Reassure her that you find her attractive and that she's more than enough for you and could never be replaced by some cardboard anime girls
>>97185865>>97185900based WotC not counting faggy bards as party members
>>97185915>>97185948Burakos's ability triggers on attack. You attack with Voice of Victory, that trigger resolves, you create 2 warrior tokens, you resolve Burakos's ability, you count the tokens as in your party. Then you play your Coveted Prize in main 2.There might be better warrior cards if you really care about the permanence of the warrior on board, but Voice of Victory is a busted card that has the Warrior tribal, makes a lot of tokens for a 2 drop, and prevents interaction. Just sac your tokens to Soul Trader lol. Any optimized party list would run this.I dont have a problem filling my party up
>hate proxies>hate UB>hate poorfags>hate mono and 2 color decks>hate themed decks>hate unoptimized decks that don't try to win as efficiently as possible >hate battlecruiser and aggro>hate green and white>hate timmies>love corporate writing>love making corporations richer and paying to win >love goodstuff piles>love love wurbg>love free spells>love combo and control>love blue and red>love spikes>everyone who disagrees with me is trans>simple as
Pseudo-tribes are funnyNon-human>Party>Outlaws
>>97186057should I put warren soul trader in this? I have an extra one but I also still need to cut 6 cards..
>>97186077holy fuck that's a rough 32, he looks 50 at least. Why the hell did people back in the day age so poorly???
>>97185975why not go for the tasteful coomer proxies by Anons?
>>97186085Anon, they are still aging poorly. If someone born today doesn't work out and doesn't get enough vitamin d and other proper nutrients they're going to look the same in 32 years only slightly worse or better based on their genetics.
>>97186093now THATS a Wellwisher
>>97186085He's just overweight and balding, both of which are relatively easy to fix. Being so into Magic that you (presumably) ask your parents for a magic birthday cake is a far more difficult problem to fix
>>97185578>Alternative TQ:>>what is a mechanic or theme you want to build around, that didn't get enough support to make doing so viable?FACE ME, COWARD
>>97186093I miss the guy who did these, he used to have a Tumblr with them allThat Jhoira still does it for me
>>97186119Good taste. I bet you're thrilled that another Coward-maker is coming in Lorwyn, huh?
>>97185573>>Can't interact with it until prio is passedand yet people will still complain about blue.
>>97186093There aren't any place to buy these
>>97186082Do you make a lot of token creatures?I dont think Soul Trader is an auto include anywhere. Hard to say by skimming your list. I guess Jo Dee makes a lot of tokens
>>97185722just generate a new gf what's the issue
>>97186077Hope his decks are good
>>97186126what card?
>>97186138there used to be better times where we shared. you can order them from makeplayingcards with the correct template such as this one
https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/803004920167120896/maros-lorwyn-eclipsed-threats-before-previewsmaro is threathening players again with doubling effects and free casting
>>97185578Too many to name, because Wizards love making interesting designs and abandoning them because they aren't card types/mechanics the developers themselves like.ExaltedMyriadMeleeBattlecry Food MattersBestow MattersSaga CreaturesDouble Power start of combat/or whenever creature enters/or etc Mardu vamp tribal CommandersDaybound/Nightbound (more support for actually making/keeping it night or errata it into something better)Extra cards drawn = creatures ala Homunculus Horde
>>97186125>he used to have a Tumblr with them allyou didnt save the mega folder?
>>97186197All these cards lost, like tears in rain
>>97185722Sounds like... YOU'RE BONED!
>>97186197please, show me the way
>>97186197now this would be a image dump i wouldnt mind
>>97186164Not revealed yet but Maro posted the set teasers and it includes "another card that makes something a Coward"
>>97186195>Extra cards drawn = creatures ala Homunculus HordeMy sweatiest deck has HH, Improbable Alliance, and Mischievous Mystic.The list is sweaty for other reasons. But there is kind of support for this.
>builds itself>fun to playwhat is it? im not gonna lie im a brainlet and dont enjoy deckbuilding this much, i just get hit with autistic amount of decision paralysis and anxietydon't want to fall asleep while playing something like token Purph either though
>>97186208Yep, and I won't be boned again for a long time I think
>>97186245Superfriends
>>97186245kadena morph. you are always waiting to activate a trap card. she is pretty vulnerable tho
>>97185722Shit like this is why I'm glad I'm single
why does ape tribal commander have almost 12k decks?
Anyone have any secret tech for this gal? She's quite the brain buster, and I can't for the life of me figure out how to build her. I've done voltron, enchantress, artifacts, elves, midrange, combo, suicide voltron, eldrazi, human tribal, mono red, mono blue, control, tempo, tokens, and even reanimator, but I just can't make it work. Such a weird and confusing commander lol. Anyone have any tips?
>>97186297>gal>sheBruh
r8 my Caesar list please t. returning Modern/Legacy player
>>97186303Ha ha oopsie me! Like I said. Really freaking confusing lol.
>>97186297>gal>sheyou've consumed too much wotc art direction
>>97186009>based WotC not counting faggy bards as party membersBards are ok but the nu d&d races (Tiefling, Aasimar, Tabaxi, ..) are cringe
>>97186287It's a fun artifact hate deck and you can run funny monkeys in it. I was tempted to build it, but it seemed too by-the-numbers to be enjoyable to brew.
>>97186297I'll rape you in the ass in hell fag
what / when do token decks not want all the token doublers? i like the idea of a token deck, I don't like the idea of spending 150$ on 3 staples for the deck to hold itself in bracket 3
>>97186372They don't want them in CEDH.""""casual"""" 4 and high 3s is best for them.
>>97186372Token doublers are win more If your token deck cannot function properly without token doublers, it's a bad deck But if you can achieve that feat you have proven that you do not need the doublersRealistically if you have one or two lying around they aren't terrible but I don't think I would play more than one personally
>>97186303If UB is so anti woke, how is it that we have drag queens in final fantasy
>>97186382>""""casual"""" 4 and high 3s is best for them.that's exactly what my pod is I guess
>>97186297Any tips for this? I'm also trying to make it work
>>97186387>Ramp is just win-more, if your deck can't function without ramp its a bad deckYou can do this bad logic with anything.
>>97186264Goddamn people are sleeping on her, honestly. All the new face-down shit that's come out in the last 5 years (cloak, disguise, manifest, manifest dread, probably more I can't remember) has made her go nuts. My friend draws like 10 fucking cards a turn when he gets her going
>>97186305Get Ainok Strike Leader in there
>>97186213>>97186221merry christmashttps://litter.catbox.moe/alfof9.zip
I loved my zurzoth deck, really enjoyed the combination of pings/burn/token/wheels and capability for random shit happening with something like wildfire devils, but had to retire it since my group hated the random discard (can't blame them I guess)is xyris stuffed with impact tremor-esque stuff the next best thing, or is there something else that plays similarily?
>>97185578
>>97186372Token doublers are a bait imo. They're so good they're bad. As soon as one hits everyone gangs up on you and your fucked.
>>97186462Not hard to put plenty of shit in the way or make mana through treasures to hold up protection when you have one.
>>97186462Couldn't the same be said for any wincon?
>>97186287how is a banana an artifact TRUTH NUKE
>>97186482Yes.
>>97186485>He doesn't want to play Toph or another artifact animator and swing his refrigerator at peopleNgmihttps://scryfall.com/search?q=Type%3Afood+-type%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>>97186482Your words are as empty as your mana pool. This pod ill needs a player such as you!
>>97186390>drag queens are played up for laughs in the east because that's what they are, comic relief characters>meanwhile drag queens are supposed to be taken seriously in the west when they shouldn't be for obvious mental issuesthat's the difference, fag
>>97186372>>97186382>>97186392believe it or not token decks are a bracket 2 strat, bracket 3 they lose to ramp and bracket 4+ they lose to combo
>>97186502What is a pod? A miserable little pile of jank!
>>97186517Whatever you say chuckles
>>97186517>believe it or not token decks are a bracket 2 strat, bracket 3 they lose to ramp
>>97186526*chuckles* sure thing filthy casual whatever makes the mean bracket people go away
>>97186517lol
>muh tokens are top tier chud!roru rumao
>>97186544>Check out my training wheels loses
>>97186554uh oh ESL
>>97186558>My training wheels are so chad bros
Hey guys I just built a tier 2 token deck who wants to play!
>>97186566>loses to S tier archetype>uh... training wheels!kekypow
>>97186571>screen caps of someone else's opinionsI see you've put even more training wheels on.
>>97186570wow what a powerhouse, better bring my A game!
>>97186577looks like someone's jealous that nobody screencaps HIS shitty opinions HAHA
>>97186588I'm sure grok wrote that for you.
>>97186593i'm surprised you can write anything at all given that embarrassing ESL slipup earlier LMAO
>>97186571>my homie Urtet in S tierFeels good, myrbros. Fucking love my Urtet deck
>>97186593>>97186600Can you both stop please
>>97186482 #Yeah but many are less in your face and immediately scary as token doublers. Token doublers also have the issue of usually needing to wait until the next turn to use what you made unless you have mass haste.
>>97185698>>97185701>>97185728I thought I was the skele anon because its what my gf wants and is the only way she'd play magic
>>97186566
> according to JLK and Rachel, decks should run 38 lands
>>9718666138 is the starting point and has been for well over a decade. You add/subtract depending on deck type/average cmc/how you ramp
>>97186661running 38 lands is like running 23 lands in 60 card land and no that's not enough for your 3.5+ avg cmc battlecruiser deckstop having unlimited mulligans and don't treat your draw spells as crutches, 60 card land has gotten over that more than 20 years agothis is why casual andys shouldn't be teaching people how to win btw
>>97186683gaei go like thisramp + lands = 50 cards
>>97186687jokes on you, i run 23 ramp + 41 lands
I run 34 lands in all my decks
>>97186571I'm sure cEDH folks agree with stax being average and combo not even worth mentioning on a tier list
>>97186672>>97186683Everyone who actually plays the game knows this is false. We don't structure our decks exactly like 60cuck because the flow of gameplay is different, and basically all decks run a significantly higher density of ramp than 60cuck decks. We even run sol ring in basically every deck for crying out loud. 35 is and has always been the baseline standard. Thirty five (35).
>>97186729>We don't structure our decks exactly like 60cuckjust say you don't want to win in a FFA children's card game duh
>pod started with Houston Draw (Draw 10 and keep 7, if you mulligan draw 9 and keep 7, etc) when we were new and using garbage EDHrec netdecks because people kept needing to mulligan down to 4 in their opening hand with regular draw>I feel like we're all better at deck building now and proposed we stop using it, people generally agree>no one but me wants to commit to it, keep whining that their opening hands are screwed if they start at 7What do
>>97186725>imagine seeing LANDS and not immediately understanding that this isn't a cedh tier list
>>97186725Shut up troon whosit face said so and they are the authority.
I've never had a deck that doesn't win by smashing face Should I change that?My least aggro deck which is daretti has triplicate titan and the like as only win-cons
>>97186734My friends did this for years too but then out of nowhere just... stopped? No one said anything or proposed anything we just stopped one day and never did it again. Still weird when I think about it
>>97186739then it's a tier list of EDH but tier of what? casual decks tier list?? what's the point of tier listing that??
>>97186672>38 is the starting point and has been for well over a decade.>>97186683>running 38 lands is like running 23 lands in 60 card land and no that's not enough for your 3.5+ avg cmc> Its our sacred history!> Dont miss a land drop that feels bad!> People are naturally inclined to cut lands because they are unfun!> Eat your vegetables!> Remember when Jimmy Wong missed a land drop?!> According to this graph> The data suggests> What if you don't have enough lands to do the thing?> 2 land hands are scary!
I WILL play my landslop deck whether you like it or notbecause my buddy made me an alter of my commander
>>97186740>whosit face said so and they are the authorityglad to hear that you're finally kneeling
>>97186672this but 36
>>97186748Combat is the purest form of Magic and something that everyone will enjoy. I will accept mill/poison strategies and cards that say "when you achieve this, You Win the Game" as well but anything that involves an infinite combo or Thoracle bullshit should be thrown in a fire
>>97186758>what's the point of tier listing that??believe it or not some people that play B3 below wants to win too
>>97186767It's beautiful anon, I'm happy for you
>>97186762All this text and not a single actual argument
>tfw 3 out of 4 decks have 34 landsdo people really need 38+ lands for shit that's not landfall?
>>9718668338 lands is enough if you run the right amount of card draw. And you should run enough card draw, because card advantage wins games.
>>9718678660cuck decks don't run a hyperdensity of mana rocks and don't draw on the first turn. Quit your shit.
>>97186683Most 60 card decks do not posses the level of ramp an average edh deck does.
>>97186788The discussion always revolves around this:>just include more draw/ramp! you only need 32 lands!!!>you need to be able to have lands first to play the draw/ramp cards though!!I tend to agree with the latter more than the former. You can't play shit if you never have enough lands
>>97186801>>97186799if you don't draw enough lands, ramp is essentially spending your turn's mana just to catch up with the other players
>>97186792>using card draw to cheat on landskek>card advantage wins gamestechnically wincons win gamesdon't look now but cedh runs only one (1) card advantage card, rhystic study
>>97186801I would say very few of them. Like basically none of them run mana rocks outside of vintage/legacy artifact piles, maybe some pauper decks. Rocks are almost exclusively an edh thing.
>>97186809This is objectively false though.
>>97186823you being a casual is objectively true 100%
>>97186807And there it is. Right as I post this, this exact argument happens. Like clockwork
>zoomie who started magic with arena watched some redditor youtube>he's trying to lecture us on why we need to run 50 lands because "that's what they do in standard"Cute
>>97186823>draw a land for the turn, have 2 lands>play a land, have 3 lands avaliable nowVersus>don't draw a land for the turn, have 2 lands>cast Rampant Growth, have 3 lands tapped now
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_jLL3WrB4&t=21s&pp=2AEVkAIBGuys the glowy eye pngtuber said you're naughty. Fix your land base NOW.
Amount of land I run depends on my average cmc.under 3=35 or 36. Higher than 3=37/38
>>97186845I can make up a scenario in which you draw too many lands. Check mate faggot.
>some retard who never won with 60 cards is telling you how to win with 100 cardsbwahahaha
>>97186861>his lands don't cycle/have abilitiesngmi
>>97186809Which is why most popular commanders draw cards and why the land count tends to skew lower. 60 does not have a card it's guaranteed to have access to every game the way EDH does. I don't need to overload on lands in something like Raffine when I can potentially be seeing new cards with my commander by the third turn of the game.
>>97186853buy an ad
I always win in standard because of my turn 1 sol ring into signet truth nuke
>everybody talking about their land counts but nobody talking about their 3.5+ avg cmc decks
>>97186861Yeah, which is why you need a balance. You need to play enough lands to reliably cast your commander and the spells in your deck, but not too much that flooding is a common occurrence; playing card selection, fetches, bounces and other similar tools as needed in order to ensure this happens consistently.
30 lands = cedh32 lands = bracket 434 lands = bracket 336 lands = bracket 238 lands = required for appearing on Game Knights40 lands = cedh landfallslop
I've had 5 vodka drinks today and it's just now 4pm. Give me a deck idea to brew around.
>50+ lands in a commander deck I have never seen any deck build run 50 fucking lands
I run 34 lands in my Xenagod deck
>>97186894You need enough lands to be able to reliably play Raffine in the first place by hitting three lands by turn 3. After that, sure, do whatever.
>>97186814>implying 38 lands is "cheating">don't look now but cedh runs only one (1) card advantage card, rhystic studyBut that's wrong, you retard. Ad Nauseum, Mystic Remora, Necropotence, Necrodominance, Wheel of Fortune, Windfall, Esper Sentinel, Etali, etc... all see cEDH play and draw more than one card. Underworld Breach and Yawgmoth's Will provide card advantage by letting you cast out of the graveyard.
>>97186944>esper sentinelonly run by goodstuff decks>breachthat's a wincon dumbass, with will being an inferior version of it>everything else you saidonly run by combo decksonly rhystic is run by both combo and midrange cedh decks which blows the "card advantage wins games" mantra out of the waterquality > quantity
>a 6/6 creature? I must do everything in my power to remove it immediately before it swings>a combination of a 2/4 creature and 2 enchantments that deals 4 damage to my face everytime I tap a land? I shall leave it untouched until I have 5 life leftI despise my playgroup at times
This is a retailer that jacks up prices on precons. Do you think I'm better off pre-ordering the pre-cons before they're previewed and their price goes up, knowing they will at least meet their retail value and probably have new and reprint cards of good valueOr should I just pre-order a box knowing that I want Lorwyn regardless of set quality and will likely buy close to 30 packs over its release anyway
>>97186991Zur is fringe playable specifically because he can bring Necropotence to play. Absolutely no black deck in the fucking planet will eschew playing the single greatest card draw engine ever printed
> attack player with my 2/1 commander dork> he plays a 10/10, says hes going to attack me for payback> I swords his creature before attack> other player gets ahead and winsWho was in the wrong here?
>>97187019What's the 2/4 creature?
>>97187046torbran
>>97187045The 10/10 dipshit. Who the fuck cares about 2 damage? I attack only those who are in the lead
>>97187039>zur is a goodstuff deck like tymna kraum fr fr
>>97186927A color hate deck that can change your opponents' permanent and spell colors if they don't already match.
https://moxfield.com/decks/z2bYe0YLP0KHurYPyIkx0wWorth making room for Eerie Ultimatum? It's a cool card but I do already have a good bit of reanimation abilities.
i'm fucking retard with the archetypes>play lot of creatures>play lot of removal to more easily allow such creatures smash facewhat is this? tempo, aggro, midrange?
>>97187091Aggro.
>>97187091Depends on your curve really.
>>97187099preferably pretty low but with some stuff going higher than 5 so i don't sit twiddling my thumbs after 2 board wipes
>>97187091How many lands do you run?
>>97187119~35
>>97187116Yeah, aggro. Low curve, wants to beat face, everything else is there to facilitate beating face. A guy made a post explaining what exactly what was each archetype a while ago, I think? Does anyone still have it?
HA HAI can't believe I got to invade a community with my IP and fundamentally change the game alienating the original audience.gonna buy all the bling cards to only display purposes so I can send a message that they should continue this and fuck off. feels good man
>>97187091Sounds like the most typical/average aggro setup. Especially if you're running anthems and support stuff like this
>>97187130Oof.
>>97187143Gotta scratch that itch after holding it in for all of minutes, huh.
>>97187152TrueImagine running more than 33 lands in an aggro deckLolLmao even
Essentially, for people who don't play other formats:>aggroKill the enemy as fast as possible, nothing else matters. The example card is Goblin Guide; decks running it not only win with no cards on hand, they even feed their opponent extra cards in exchange for even more damage.>controlControl the board and exhaust your opponent's resources until you reach a boardstate where you have total ability to decide what happens on the game; from there, anything can be the wincon; even decking out your enemy. A good example card is Wrath of God, that resets the board and deals with multiple threats on its own.>comboSelf-explanatory. Make a combination of cards that autowins. The rest is protecting and ensuring it. Classic card is Illusions of Grandeur. It pretty much wins once you do what you want to do with it (give it to the opponent).>midrangeWin by attrition. Slower then aggro, faster then control. You have no gameplan other then just dumping enough value on the table to win. Play whatever efficient disruption, answers and threats you can access to consistently block off your enemy in the earlygame while playing stuff that gives you more resources then you invest into it; then 2-for-1 the opponent until you have a good enough advantage to win. Example card is Fable of the Mirror-Breaker. It generates card flow, mana, and a body all in one package, creating value in all sorts of different directions to work fine in almost any game state.>tempoReverse midrange. Present a powerful earlygame threat and protect it while disrupting your opponent and their plays. While you're only comfortable in a few specific boardstates, you can engineer them very consistently. An example card is Delver of Secrets: It immediately forces your opponent on the backfoot as an oversized earlygame flier and decks running it are made to make it guaranteed to transform.
>>97186570I'm hoping Hobbit has way more food support so I can build a proper Chatterfang deck.
iq testis this card busted or balanced ?
>>97186440Probably? Or maybe Nekusar could have some options for what you're looking for. I like the 1/1 devil token that guys like Zurzoth make and had considered trying him. Was he really that backbreaking for your group?
>>97186748No? If that's the way you like to play then stick with that. Everything I build usually ends up like that too. Only time I really deviated form that was for Ghave and I ended up not playing that one too much once I optimized it.
>>97187234Its very good but not busted
>>97187234It its garbage just like last time you posted it
>>97187234>Draw not limited to once per turn>in monoWAIEEEEE MY COLOR PIE
>>971872343 mana selfless spirit with downside
>>97187234It's pretty good but not busted.
>>97187143>EVERYONE who was the original audience is upsetNope.
>>97187234My IQ is high enough to know this is probably broken in some way.It's not high enough to guess how.
>>97187234It's not very good and not busted.
What's the lil creature behind the balloon man meant to be? Is it meant to be a clone?
>>97187234it seems okay i guess
>>97187234Saying "iq test" is an easy way to guarantee replies.Everyone saying this isn't broken is retarded though.
>>97187143>I can't believe I got to invade a community with my IPyou assume that UW is even worth defending
>>97187312That's a balloon
I am a metaslop slave and I only netdeck
>>97187234W player here. This card is very bad. Like not good poo poo time bad. It reads good-ish, but it would be terrible to play. Needs to by symmetrical to even see some semblance of play.
>>97187331That does not look like a balloon.
>>97187351Look man, I just work here.
>>97186440play Xyris once and your playgroup is going to wish Zurzoth back.Ungrateful fucks cant appreciate a well desinged card
>>97187238we've got few babiesI don't remember what card exactly he discarded, but the breaking point for it was when Bruvac player discarded something that he was going to win with next turn and he just scooped and said he isn't going to play again RNG decks anymore
>>97187402>Bruvac player discarded something that he was going to win with next turn and he just scooped and said he isn't going to play again RNG decks anymorenta but I'm torn on this. I agree with him completely that RNG bullshit sucks ass to play against, but also Commander is the fun/casual format where this stuff belongs. I'm fine with looting every turn and like the design of Zurzoth, but *man* I wish his discard wasn't random. I quit Hearthstone a decade or so ago because I couldn't fucking stand how all the new cards getting released all had a random effect
>Make a 3 card, 11 total mana board state that lets me wipe any creatures at instant speed>Holy shit that's busted and gravepact should be game changer
https://archidekt.com/decks/18178406/blood_bendWhat does this deck do? Why do I need to cut 6 more cards?>Blink | mill | token generators w/ water bending themeHama is the commander because bloodbending is cool, also, the most thematic use of waterbending. Blink Hama w/ intruder alarm, exile a big spell from an opponents deck and cast it with waterbending. Bitterordeal after a board wipe to remove all win consfoggy swamp visions to build a big board / steal triggersrise of the dark realms for a fucked winulamog's reclaimer as a way to get exiled spells back for an opponent and be an archaeomancermalboro for being a cunt in generalmoonlit meditation abuse
>>97187402>BruvacThat has to be a joke. Of all the decks to complain about losing a combo piece due to a random effect this would be the last I'd want to hear about it from.
as a rule of thumb, how many lands would you put into a mono green ramp deck? are 35 ok?
>>97187468>What does this deck do?Bro. You built a deck around a throwaway draft card. It's a bad theft deck with artifact synergies. Put the bong down and figure it out.
>>97187440>>97187402>RNG bullshitI'm going to just try and stay as chill as I can because of how incomprehensible this whining is in the context of playing a singleton 100 card deck format. 1. Random discard is extremely powerful BECAUSE it can hit anything that's intentional. The OG here fucks you over good.2. All other random effects are typically weighted at being worthless <-> insane with little middleground. 3. You are playing 100 card singleton decks, it's RNG the game by default. 4. You are playing a four person battle royale format designed for kitchen table magic5. Unless you are permanently hellbent and locked out of a hand, discarding a card at random once a turn is only crippling to those with skill issues6. As a mill player, I will not tell that bruvac player to not kill himself
>>97187470idk he loves complaining, I was repeatedly told how I'm a metaslave for playing a 75$ xenagos deck since he has a lot of decks on EDHREC, while he's playing for fun and off-meta commanders while packing the decks with all staples imaginable and somehow having rhystic study in 50% of his starting hands thankfully he kinda healed somehow
I fucking hate troons. Get out of my lgs
>>97187522this but /pol/tards
>>97187523/pol/ is standing up for your rights, you should be thankful. If they don't stop them you're going to be banned from your lgs for not having the correct pronouns.
>>97187544lmao
fucking hell, i'm very late to going through bloomburrow cards and i'm very tempted to make another shitty tribal deck
>>97187501Since 35 is the standard, you can probably drop it to 32-33 comfortably.
>>97187376is xyris even worse to play against?
>>97187562oh sorry I forgot the mdfc lands. Im planning to run 34 lands and 3 mdfc lands in my Casal deck.
>>97187559Funnily enough the tribes were the worst part of Bloomburrow for Commander players. They were briefly relevant in Standard but even that was shortlived.
>>97187507I see you are new to commander/edh. The fact of the matter is, I chose style and an unassuming commander with a theme to make it work, this is called deck building. I know I could just make an edhrec slop and find some top 100 commander then call it a day. But I had fun finding a bunch of fun interactions, and it's stronger than you think.
it's pretty obvious what types of decks are annoying to play againstwhat commanders / decks do you enjoy seeing on the other side of the table?
>>97187605Theft to be honest. Fun having to try to overcome the power of your own deck.I'm clearly insane though.
>>97187570its pubstomp.dekyou will drown in card advantage, while being in corlos to turn the 1/1s into ETB burn, having all the cheap interaction to protect itself, and can buff itself very easy and efficient. just casting picrel on your Flying Commander means you now draw 6. you can even sprinkle on extra combats. its a good strategy though, show them how much worse shit actually can be and they may appreciate a Mono Red deck much much more
>>97187605That one
>>97187548Sorry, xir, masculine pronouns are illegal
>>97187039>playing broken goodstuff slop>not playing a broken goodstuff commander with itLiteral troon behavior, where you're trying to trick others into thinking your deck is something it's not. If you're going to be shitting out cedh tier cards play a cedh commander and stop pretending you aren't trying to pubstomp. ywnbat(immy)
>>97187648What?
>>97187515Yeah that sounds rough. Hope that attitude of his doesn't fuck your group too much
>Playgroup is addicted to red ping and burn effects>Thinking about being a cunt and adding this card to my tokens deckI know I shouldn't angle shoot but it's really tempting.
>>97187661>why play zur when there's tivit & marneus calgar
>>97187501>cmc 1.xx31 lands>cmc 2.xx34 lands>cmc 3.xx37 lands>cmc 4.xx41 landsRamp under 3 mana is worth .5 of a land ramp over 2 mana is worth .25 of a land ie 10 pieces of ramp (five under 3 five over) is (.5x5)+(.25x5) is worth 3.75 pieces of land so if you have a cmc of 3.25 and 35 lands with 10 pieces of ramp statistically speaking you have 38.5 pieces of "land" and will theoretically be on curve. If however you have 37 lands you will theoretically have 40.5 lands and will likely be slightly ahead on curve.
>>97187681>I should just let them hit me!No. Put it in your deck.
>>97187661He need a reason, any reason at all to bring up trannies, just gave him that tangential reason.
cedh cards should be banned
>>97187578Only because mice were borken>>97187704You heard it here first, islands are banned
>>97187698>Needing a transgential reason
>>97187683I'm playing Zur because he has the line of attacking and bringing Necro, which means I have infinite evokes/forces of will for the rest of the game. Like I said, he is a niche commander, but "tutor Necro" is genuinely so powerful he does see cEDH play, much like Maralen sees play on decks that focus exclusively on the Opposition Agent combo.
>>97187708>I'm going to aggressively and grossly interpret what he said and say something ridiculous to show how crazy that idea is!
>>97187724Is blue not the most common color in CEDH?Do island produce blue?Ergo, islands are CEDH cards.Sorry you need that connection explained to you.
This thread always seems to get shit around 6:30 est.
>>97187732>he does it again
>>97187737It's when I wake up. It's all me
>>97187673eh, it was almost fucked up to the point we started going to our own LGSs for a while, but got back together after some time and it was betterI guess he must've gotten shit at the new pod and realized what he's doing
>>97187738That's not a rebuttal. Disprove my point or don't make such shitty decrees in the first place.
>>97187737it's when I go to sleep and start posting less, all the good posts are from me
>>97187737Are the Americans in the thread with us right now?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3cERVRoQo&list=RDLT3cERVRoQo&start_radio=1
>>97187748>start posting lessdo you post still? in your sleep?
>>97187750Who said anything about Americans?6:30 pm est is 10-12 difference from the time European, Indians, and Australians are waking.
>>97187744Why would I argue with you? You just keep making inane assertations.
>>97187755yes, I schedule a chatbot i've trained to post 30 minutes after I fall asleep until my PC shuts off
>>97187762I accept your concession. You will remain a retard.
>>97187548This is what /pol/ is doing for you against tranny tyranny. They are the blockcade, they are the silent protectors
>>97187782Well, they certainly aren't silent.
>>97187782oh my god he's actually serious
Show me the worst card you run in one of your decks. I don't want that niche but actually good shit I want that bottom of the barrel crust you're trying to force in your worst list.
>>97187782>/pol/>silent
>>97186683>I don't need to always hit my land drops I rampThese are the people who scoop when I mass wipe rocks on turn 3 or counter rampant growths.
>>97187809The fact this shit actually eats removal.
>>97187809
>>97187809Shit I don't think I run actually-bad stuff. I just have spells like these that I hard cast because I think cheating stuff out/generating infinite mana with combos is cringe as fuck
>>97187809I think this might be conventionally worst card I run
>>97187809It's just fun and gnomes are cute.
>>97187809I don't run bad cards
>>97187824Never leave home without them. The amount of salt these bad boys generate is impressive
>>97187852Whoops
>>97187855I think you have to be really stupid and incurious to be able to reap enjoyment from this game while only playing good cards. "Can I turn this piece of shit card into something?" is the challenge that keeps me playing and building. Everyone knows what works in this game.
>>97187867Still don't run bad cards
Is this a bad card?
>>97187869This seems like a dumb and funny card.
>>97187871Yeah but it's a really funny one
>>97187834This fucks in my mono-green make a bunch of mana deck tho, thanks for making me aware it exists
trade the worst card in my hand for the best creature on my field? sounds like a deal.
>>97187883>it can't be regenerated.
>>97187871God I love all the creatures that keep making copies of themselves. Someday I'll make a deck that has them all
>>97187810>>97187800>>97187796Troons can't help but self-report
>>97187891missing sprouting phytohydra
>>97187899I'm missing a lot, those are just the ones I immediately spotted
>>97187883The problem with this card is that a shitload of removal just either exiles or has "it can't be regenerated" tacked in somewhere
>>97187891fuck I wish Polyraptor was a legendary and made non-legendary copies, I'd build a deck around it on a heartbeat, reminds me of grim patron from HS
>>97187921Hearthstone really is why I loved enrage in Standard 2019. Patron Warrior was fucking awesome.
Hey guys. I'm having some trouble building this commander. She doesn't seem that straight forward. She seems to have a lot of deep complexity and nuisance.Any crazy tech out there? Just because she has synergy with angels doesn't mean angel tribal is the correct way to build, right?
>>97187930
>>97187930It genuinely makes me smile that I'm living rent free in your head
>>97187930>nuisanceit's called nuance you retarded shitposter lol
>>97187929yee, I think this is to this day the most fun I've had with a single specific deck
>>97187930play changeling tribal
>>97187930LAWL
>>97187930voltron or mana dork tribal
>>97187930Obsessed
>>97187938>>97187986
Who is the best aggro WW commander?
anyone built this jester?I want a deck that just pumps a creature and flings it into peoples faces, he seems like a obvious choices, but I'm kinda afraid that it's the kind of deck that gets boring after couple of gamesas a safer bet, also thinking about stuff like xenagos and just repurposing it into a normal stompy deck if this gets old
>>97188052>anyone built the most archetypical rakdos sac commander in the game?
>>97188067Shut the fuck up
>>97188067ah sorry, forgot the thread has 5000 unique posters and there will always be someone here that built the one I'm asking about
>>97188052He was strong, but boring
>>97188052Kill jestah
>>97188052He's best in the 99, bro. He's not worth the commander slot.
>>97188017adeline
>>97187234>free attack triggers without needing to worry about being killed on the block>repeatable full board protection every turn, no board wipe will ever hit anything that doesn't have summoning sickness>insane card draw engine for white weenies>dig for finisher then sac ganji to his own ability to moonshaker/whatever the whole table in one goI'm genuinely shocked /edhg/ is too stupid to realize how stupid this card is. I'd say that it doesn't say do-thing-draw-card because that's all /edhg/ understands, but it literally is do-thing-draw-card.iq test failed. The rest of you are mongoloids.
What if we start a community driven semi eternal format called EDH that is just everything ever printed minus UB sets and commander sets?
>>97188002We're laughing at you retard
>target playerCant wait to gaslight people that this into a board wipe isn't MLD
>>97188145you already have that, it's called PreDH
>>97188150Spellshapers are based and I wish we got more of them before WOTC started sucking ass
>>97188152Yeah but that is harder to sell people on because they can't use recent cards and my pitch allows them to use at least half of their recent cards.
Anime girls not knowing how to play magichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMg1WYlrYp4
>>97188147Got that backwards troon.
Teysa or Minthara?
>>97188166nah he is right
>>97188164>Anime girlsThese are shitty humans wearing virtual skinsuits to more efficiently parasitize the wallets of the mentally ill.
>>97188150it isn't MLD precisely because it's target playerit's no different than picrel
>>97188166Sneeded
>>97188180The art for the eldrazi titans just keeps getting worse how are they doing this
>>97186418Better?
>beast within followed by casualties of war>he just scoopsdamn I need more land destruction
Why did they errata this to be global rather than just for yourself
>>97188188ulamog 3.0 looks good enoughbut i'd really like an aeons torn version of this
>>97188180>Someone plays this >Exile it immediately >Guy tells me no, I didn't way the ward>Told him I didn't need to because his spider punk made it so spells couldn't be countered >Argues with me for 15 minutes that ward doesn't work that way even with me showing him the rules.I hate eldrazi because of the people who play them so God damn much.
>>97188209I want the MTGO only Kozilek 2.0 in paper but those bastards won't give it to me.
>>97188150Pic related is only MLD if you're unlucky
I'm building this, what's the best background? I'm leaning towards inspiring leader but agent of the shadow thieves might be better
>>97188242>not putting all of your permanents into one pile
>>97188265So you lose everything if you are unlucky?
>>97188265Objectively the correct play, but you'd be surprised how many people hedge.Personally if I knock myself out of the game, I think that's hilarious
>>97188265Actually very based>>97188275Statistically you won't, and if you do, so be it
>>97188275If I'm losing 1/3rd of my permanents I'd just concede anyway.
>>97188242God, I hate minigame cards and the people who think minigame cards make the game "fun"
>>97188284>Statistically you won't, and if you do, so be itIf 4 players each have a 1 in 3 chance of losing everything, statistically it should happen once every time that card is played
>>97188292Yeah but it won't be you bro, trust me
>>97188242If I were to phase out my board, I'd have to do it immediately right, I can't do it in response to getting a bad beat, right?
>>97187809Unless I'm building something tribal I always end up making space for this guy.
it's time to post your commanders
>>97188311
What's the best way to teach someone how to play Magic?I'm sure as shit no going to start them in Commander.Arena?
>>97188275>So you lose everything if you are unlucky?Trick question, my cards have literally never punished me for my greedy plays
>>97188341draft
>>97188275There is no distribution of permanents in piles which doesn't result in knocking you out of the game. If you hedge and put a third of your shit into each pile you are still fucked when you lose a third of your permanents. Just quit being a pussy and accept that as a result of your opponent casting a spell, you might lose the game. That's why your opponent would cast a spell!
>>97187690thank you thats very interesting. I will start with 37 lands then, playtest it a bit and then adjust. never played green ramp in commander before
>>97187690Ramp spells are kinda bad now. There are so many utility lands that it's kinda worth it to just scrap ramp spells for more of them
>>97188341The big question is has he played card games before? If so then it shouldn't be that hard to make the switch. Especially if he's coming from something like Yu-Gi-Oh. Otherwise you may be better off giving him a simple deck you built and doing some 1v1 training games to get the basics down. Or if you have other friends bring one or two of them as well to do some practice games. At least until he starts figuring things out on his own. I don't really like the idea of learning with a simulator since I think it's important to pay attention to your own triggers and develop the habit of it in paper and simulators just do it for you.
>>97188341Dandan, unironically
I can basically play badgermole cub and birds of paradise in every green deck right?
>>97188341there's a 30-card-each, pre-set deck order intro setup you might be able to ask your LGS foraside from that, draft/sealed or buy a couple of jumpstart things
>>97188311HIS TIME
>>97188427Why's he got a line of JavaScript taped to his ass?
>>97188427Gods guide your path, good Toski.
>>97188311Anon I think you're addicted to Grixis
>think about taking apart deck>it pops off>it proves itself to have a dynamic and flexible gameplanevery fucking time.
>>97188311this is the cast of a harem anime where Dong Zhou is the ugly bastard protagonist and Golbez his autistic best friend
Sex with Jeska's Will.
>>97188308Correct, you'd have to do it before the sorcery resolves. You don't get priority in the middle of a spell's resolving effect.
>>97188311These are my paper decks. I play a lot of bullshit on xmage though.
>>97188311Really need to dust things off and make some updates, but it's amazing how much time you don't have for the first few months after buying a house.
>>97188552You seem incredibly based and I would love to play with you
>>97188311Shit taste>>97188348Garbage, but at least no UB cancer>>97188412Good grief>>97188458Cancer>>97188491Pathetic>>97188552Try hard shifter>>97188561>Look at how cool and original I am>>97188576Trash>>97188581The elusive /edge/ tranny
>>97188656Actually I'm a Leo
I'm happy to see that there are no azorious homos, the most unbased color combination>>97188451naw, grixis is just goat>>97188458I swap out my dong for auntie blyte time to time and run ojer axonil mana barbs. great fun>>97188562I always thought the closet I kept my decks in lead to another world, who knew I was making an isekai anime
>>97188656Daring today, aren't we
>>97188562>it's an anime where the first few episodes make you think all the girls are tsundere but it turns out they're all just bitchy all the time
>start tracking my wins/losses>my win rate at LGS is over 70% since I started tracking >majority 4p games, handful of 3pHow do I know if I'm pub stomping or not? The games are generally fairly close and I'm typically not the first person at the table to get close to winning. Some of the decks I'm playing are precons with 10-20 cards swapped out and I'm still getting wins with those.>inb4 play outside of LGSI do that too, but due to scheduling conflicts that's a good bit less often, and my win rate at kitchen table games is much closer to 25-30%
>opponent playing lathril>gets a turn 3 buried alive into turn 4 commander>lathril comes down with double strike, flying, trample, and at least enough other keywords to be a 10/10 while also somehow not being hexproof or indestructible or having deathtouch already>"I am a genius">put ghoulish impetus on lathril>turn 5 one-shot opponent to the right>turn 6 one-shot opponent to the left (complains loudly)>remove lathril>fail to get grave hate, die after it comes back to smash my face inwell it was funny at least
>>97188311No mono-black deck yet, might make a Horobi deck
>>97188663I actually thought about building an azorious deck at one point but literally none of the commanders seem fun.
>Play your best deck and your pod rightfully sees you as the archenemy and all tag team you and keep focusing you the entire game win or lose.>Friend plays their best deck,which is stronger than yours>Everyone durdles and ignores them and they win easily and you don't have even interaction to them slow down,How do you all have 10 spot removal/counters to throw at me and 4 board wipes, but you have fuck all every time someone else is ahead?
>>97188710How do you like Eluge and baru?
>>97188710why is rowan so damn grumpy :<
>>97188754I would be too if I was a bad ass planeswalker and now I'm just a normal asshole again.
>>97188702>Some of the decks I'm playing are precons with 10-20 cards swapped out and I'm still getting wins with those.people who say this shit like it's nothing are so stupid.
Here's my precon but I added a few tutors, game changers, two card infinite combos, it's basically bracket 2 and I keep winning dunno maybe they're bad.
>>97188788It's not nothing but it's definitely a way to set a very clear expectation of the power level for pre-game power level discussions.
>>97188746Baru is fun because he gives my shitty wurms without trample trample. It's a typical stompy deck, and suffers against fliers so I'm still working on ways to solve that issueEluge is a pretty strong mono-blue control deck, you get to hold up interaction every turn with his cost reduction. You can blink Eluge to ramp out more flood counters and you get to run the dumb sea creatures that care about the number of islands you control.
>>97188812One of the best precons I've seen
>>97188823I made a pub stomp list just by adding warren soultrader to the chatterfang deck. Sad!
>>97188814No it's not at all. Replacing a third of the non-lands in the deck changes the deck drastically it's hardly the same deck. You're almost certainly replacing the worst 20 cards with anything ranging from fair more focused cards to just being the sweaty loser who needs Tithe and Esper in every single deck to know how to function.
Is Lara Croft supposed to be a Voltron commander?
>>97188843I recently switched an abdel deck to brago and noticed I had to change a few cards to synergize right and very shortly realized it was an entirely different deck.
>>97188846If you want her to be, but she's more just made for recurring artifacts with good sac abilities.
What is the worst substance I can bring with me in a bottle to throw on UB cards at the LGS without becoming some kind of massive crime
>>97188889Property damage is still a crime there bud.
Are we hyped for the inevitable Kardashian Secret Lair?
>>97188951If the card is good.
>>97188954I know you're doing a meme, but there genuinely are people this insectoid
>decide to play umbris>my fuck graveyards deck>hearthull, sir conrad, stella lee>leyline of the void gets removed>drop planar void>give umbris first strike, flying, hexproof, indestructible>the ultimate blocker>descent into madnessexile mill is the new mill, the ultimate FOMO that even veteran players succumb to. Nothing better than exiling breach, field of the dead, and rendering graveyard decks inert.
>>97188617Got a list for your energy deck? I love me some alternate resource generation
>>97188971That's why we need this card. Make it tournament legal. It will INSTANTLY fix edh by separating people into two very distinct pod preferences.>AssBlaster0Instant You may begin the game with assblaster in your hand.Choose two -Search your library for 2 cards, you may put a permanent from your hand onto the battlefield, take an extra turn after this one.As an additional cost to cast or copy this spell, you must insert this card(One sleeve only, no other protection) completely into your asshole and let go, wait 10 seconds. Retrieve the card from your anus.
>>97188971Nta, but yes, as an insect chase I hope her ass is full of maggots.
>>97188989Can we just not ruin the game?
>>97189037Its "been ruined" for the past 10 years straight. When is it going to matter?
>>97189037Everyone is still quoting that fucking Twitter post as though it's brilliant kek
>>97189037>This isn't the game I lovedNo nigga you were just in a better mental state 15 years ago because you hadn't been driven to psychosis by consuming increasingly deranged screeds on social media and hadn't batted away all hands reaching out to you until they didn't do it anymore
to be fair, it's physically impossible for a midwit to grasp how something as complex as mtg gets ruined. the midwit will accept any change, as long as someone with authority tells him that the chance is good.
>>97189076Midwit take desu
>>97189078I'm a low IQ retard, not a midwit. My entire survival is on the line if I listen to the wrong people, and nobody is ever as wrong as the eternal midwit.
>>97188188>>97188209I really like Dutch tilt Emmy
>>97188889Boo! I'm a UB card, did I scare you?
>>97189087you are not a UB card you retarded schizo
>>97189043You are setting the lose condition to 0 players playing Magic. That is an absurdity and you know it.>>97189056Huh? You mean the "I'm a pig and I eat slop" tweet? People were saying "pig" and "slop" in relation to UB long before that tweet, especially here. You can check the dates on the archives.Kind of outing yourself as an outsider by thinking it originated from a tweet>>97189072Yeah bro social media is why i hate pic related and not the fact it is literal fucking garbage
>>97189095What color identity would /edhg/ be? I'm thinking rakdos
>>97189099rot on fire, so jund
>ub shitfit hours again
>>97189097Accept it, or don't. Either way, stop whining about it every day like a tranny crying about trump.
>>97189097Retard
>>97189099WUBRG
>>97189099Red- the anons arguing with emotionGreen- the anons telling you to go outsideWhite- the anons trying to keep the discussion on trackBlue- the anons posting their underplayed brews and secret tech cardsBlack- the niggers
>>97189108>Accept it, or don't.I choose don't, thanks.>Either way, stop whining about it every dayWhy? Because you're a fat piggy who wants to eat his slop in peace? Fuck off to reddit then.
>it’s the "UB is killing real MTG and the game is actually dead for real this time" hour.I hate this channel
once in awhile you see an idea that's actually clever
>>97189128Kek you're literally in love with the twitter postReal midwit hours
>>97189131There are worse episodes on repeat. At least on this one he made up an imaginary thing to upset himself.
>>97189099/edhg/ is Orzhov
>>97189131Maybe WotC should stop ripping out what brought people to Magic in the first place in order to cash in on fleeting nostalgia tie-ins then?
>>97189134Holy fucking text
>>97189155a 'real' class room would probably only have two levels per class
>>97189134definitely something wotc would pull off in return to strixhaven
>>97189134Some guy built a rooms deck. After playing the 8th room and having to check all kinds of triggers he vowed to take it apart. We ignored everything he played and I killed him with combat damage. Worst card type ever.
>>97189106me when I don't get my tendies
>>97189175This didn't happen btw
Which creature would you hate to see flickered? also looking for bomb flicker targets that aren't just archon of cruelty
>>97189175>roomsYou are small time.
>>97189195Shes real and shes beautiful
>>97189206she cute :)has she gone back to 50 cents yet
>>97189203I fucking hate discard effects, so the middle and right ones by far. Malboro can win by flickering him enough so he gets a pass due to being able to end the game. The crab can get thrown in the fucking fireplace though
>>97189216Nope,still 11 dollars
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>>97189175Rooms aren't bad, Marina just isn't a rooms commander. She's a mediocre generic enchantress.Rooms don't synergise at all and Marina does nothing to make them synergise, she just puts enchants in hand. If she did something based on the number of rooms you had unlocked, or maybe for a big mana sink like 10 just unlocked all rooms you had on board, maybe she'd make rooms more cohesive.
>>97189206>want to build a sagas deck>almost all sagas have been Universes Beyond garbage
>>97189175you have no idea how fucked rooms can be with the right commander
>>97189225I don't know what point you're trying to make here,she's not back down to .50 cents
>>97189235Obligatory
>>97189232>want to build a sagas deckbefore you build one, I recommend playing against one first. you will quickly understand why sagas are one of the few archetypes that get an instant "no" in rule zero discussions.
>>97189206Why don't they all look like this
>>97189242I have never heard of this ever.
>>97189265then you haven't played against mana saga decks
>>97189244Every time they print a card with a cute hot girl on it, they have to print atleast 5 more manjawed box bodied 40+ year old to repent for their sins.
>>97189238my dream of playing her died...
>>97189265They don't get an instant no, but like superfriends decks each turn is a million triggers that take forever to go through, making them a snooze to play against >see also: Tom Bombadil
>>97189217it's all coming togetherhttps://archidekt.com/decks/18178406/blood_bendit's all coming together
Making an entire sloppa proxy deck is too much work
>>97189229Who is the best mono white enchantress commander that isn't that gay furry Light-paws?
>>97189265Ever play against a cathers crusade?Is the same reason. Takes a long time out put counters out, and people rarely are as diligent with them as they should be.
How do you reliably recurve cards back into your library? Do I ruin the theme by throwing in Eldrazi titans?
>>97189279https://edhrec.com/tags/enchantress/mono-white
>>97189278Its a labor of love, just do a card a day, so you don't get burnt out.
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>>97189244>why don't they all look like thiswhat do you mean
>>97189279Pearl Ear
>>97189288She's so ugly though
>>97189277So you just flicker your commander and cast shit from an opponents graveyard with improvise/convoke?
>>97189280I have an izzet storm deck that isn't a problem, sounds like this is a player issue instead of a deck issue like most cases in commander.
>>97189282titans are for pussies. Running pan optic mirror with time spiral will put hair on your balls. Two things to consider: >Can I use cards in my graveyard? Why not? >Do I just want them in my library so I can draw them?Would it be better served to run cards that leverage them than restore them? For restocks search on scryfall:otag:restock-all
>>97189288this is such an unfortunate card
>>97189315You're both right and wrong. I have a Narci deck, it gets fucking *obnoxious* going through the 30+ triggers every turn. It's not just saga chapters, but all the triggers with "when you cast an enchantment spell" and "when an enchantment ETBs" and "when an enchantment LTBs" and then tracking all the "this gets X bonus for each enchantment you have" that's ALWAYS changing because you're always casting/saccing multiple sagas every turn. Play against a serious Narci deck, you'll completely understand.
>play commander>ask shop owner to put on his theme song>it ain't me starts blasting from the wall speakerswhat commander did I play?
>>97189282Just play all the shit like this to keep it simple. Also I built Choco and he's fun as fuck. Make sure you include all the stuff that makes the bird tokens with landfall
>>97189346had the same problem with my rocco deck. changing the deck from impulse draw to "oops all food generators and payoffs" did not only made the deck so much more smooth to play, it also increased its power level. too bad saga decks can't do that.
>>97189347>It Ain't Me>"end of the night at the club" kind of musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3VTKvdAuIYProbably some gay UB shit ig
>>97189353I mean, the Final Fantasy set *kinda* fixed it. It was honestly barely bracket 3 when I built it with all the pre-FF sagas. Now having ~80% of my sagas be creatures that I can actually attack with helped so goddamned much. I'm actually doing stuff in my turns rather then casting a bunch of sagas and going through a ton of triggers
>>97189346My storm deck is Shantotto. I can regularly start a turn with two spells in hand and end it having cast a dozen spells and spent 50+ mana while tracking storm count, prowess triggers on several creatures hat entered at different times during the turn, Balmor triggers, cards drawn during the turn, tokens made, floating mana from rituals, and Shantotto's self pump. Just about every spell draws at least one card, so I have to plan out all the sequencing as I go to get the maximum value with each cast giving more options.
>>97189359that's not the song where the guy sings "it ain't me!" while shooting chinks from his helicopter
>>97189359Holy fuck kill yourself you actual newfaghttps://youtu.be/2Beda3kFNjo?si=-_n5xyiyrAMQw0bT
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>>97189375>>97189377>get the name of the song wrong>get clowned on>get madI'm just gonna turn 360 degrees and walk away
>>97189360>I'm now doing stuff ON TOP of resolving a million triggers every turndudeI played against a FF saga deck exactly one time to understand to never do it again. And if you ever force unsuspecting people to play against a deck like this, there is a special place in durdle hell for you waiting.
>>97189377https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWijx_AgPiA what the fuck did they make the same song twice and call it different things?? I've always known it as Fortunate Son
>>97189380>noooo it ain't me isn't the songs name!zoomies need to leave this place
>>97189373uh, cool i guess
>>97189384Comments like yours are a diamond dozen
>>97189388thanks bro, really appreciate that
Is he seriously not gonna realize he got baited on the Aint Me thing?
>>97189393who
>>97189387I thought a deck full of overpriced draft commons would be a fun way to build a low power deck to pull out against precons. Turns out I was wrong, storm gonna storm.
>>97189402Turns out if you have one of the most broken creatures ever in the command zone, you'll never lose. Who would've thought??
Anyone else have this happen to them, generally at LGS?>win on turn 8>guy crashes out that I always do this (discussed to be high powered, I won with a copied creative technique copied 3 times+thousand year storm+boltwave, no tutors,gc)>guy 'recognizes' me and convinces the pod that I'm a pubstomper (I won with valgavoth precon against 4s with mana barbs)>be really high listening to lofi playing my apogee deck (armageddon clock, time bomb, spacecraft, karn that makes powerstones, no poison)>I'm just giving everyone tons of +1/+1 counters, on turn 10 I cast olorins searing light(20+ damage) and blow up time bomb winning the game>narset's reversal a hearthhull players turn 2 harrow last week, this week he refuses to sit at the table (it's a 4)>keep getting more and more side eyed despite not playing anything particularly powerful
>>97188217this never happened, but cool story Nosewater
>>97189424again mark? >>97189436
>>97189424>I'm just giving everyone tons of +1/+1 counters, on turn 10 I cast olorins searing light(20+ damage)It's so funny how people think I'm being nice when I'm buffing their shit. It's so blatantly obvious that I have ulterior motives how can they not understand this?
>>97189424yes i've experienced finding out that i'm a better mtg deckbuilder than the entire room combined yes
>>97189424The game is constantly getting faster and you're contributing to it.Even the fucking brackets say low powered games should end on turn 9 now. I have decks that aren't even online until turn 7. It's aggravating. What the fuck is this community's obsession with playing LESS of the fucking game we're all here to play, it's not golf.
>>97189466you're only forcing yourself to be slow and you're not contributing anything
>>97189424One game this year made me realise some people only look at the result to judge something>Agree to a mid powered game>Play Tasha, one of my weakest decks. Don't even know how you can build that high powered unless you just go staples and combos>Player after me plays the land recursion teval>Other two are Teysa Karlov and Kroxa>Preator's Grasp him cause he's the closest in my colours and find Dauthi Voidwalker>Cast Dauthi and wheel in the same turn cause I'm scared the Kroxa player is gonna discard it making me hellbent>Teval player discards 9 mana Valgavoth into my Dauthi>Next turn cast him for free and Tasha>Just go more and more out of control for the rest of the game cause it just worksâ„¢>Like the Teval player wants to kill Valgavoth with Casualties of War, but he announced it and I had sudden substitution, so it let me kill his Rhystic Study among other things instead on top of the Valgavoth ward tax>Kroxa player tries to find answers with fucking Burning Inquiry into Valgavoth, essentially drawing me 12 cards>Have Mind's Dilation and a Virtue of Persistence on the boardThey scooped when I sacced Kokusho from the Teysa's player while having Phial of Galadriel, netting me 30 life to keep the engine going. Afterwards the Kroxa player commented that my deck wasn't really mid power when most of the cards that let me go off were from the Teval player who, mind you, also played Rhystic Study. Also having grave hate against 3 graveyard decks from the same guy and the Kroxa player feeding me cards worked really well in my favour. But nah, Tasha OP I guess.
>>97189466>What the fuck is this community's obsession with not wanting to play 2 HOURS of one (1) fucking game rather than having multiples in the same timeframe? i don't understand it!!
>>97189472>>97189476that's a good thing. unironically
>>97189478enjoy losing then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>97189476>not wanting to play 2 HOURS of one (1) fucking game1. You can easily get through 12 turns in an hour and a half if you're not playing with durdling spergs2. Even if it did take 2 hours to complete a game, if that's how long a game takes fucking get used to it or find another game. Stop begging for there to be less game per game you fucking zoomie autist
>>971894831. the people that want slow games ARE the durdling spergs you moron2. Even if it did take just 10 minutes to complete a game, if that's how short a game takes fucking get used to it or find another game. Stop begging for there to be more game per game you fucking millenial autist
>>97189487>oh boy I sat down to play the 100 card format and the game ended turn 2 and I only saw 9 cards from my entire deck but at least we can shuffle up and play again! I wonder what 9 cards I'll see next game!!!You rn
>>97189481thank you. anyone can cranck up a good deck that wins but winning in style (with a bad one) is the only satisfaction my thin virtuous ass chases
>>97189424Literally every day at my LGS.>Turn 1 person plays a tutor>I play land-go>Turn 2 ramp spell>I play land-go>Turn 3 The One Ring>I Spell Pierce it>I'm the villain not letting anyone play the game somehow because they have no other draw sources in their deck and rely entirely on TOR to just carry their whole deck
>>97188341Why would you teach them anything but Commander if all they're gonna do is jam a couple games of Commander every so often? >well he might want to play a different formatSlay the Spire shot draft in the face a decade ago, standard and pioneer and pauper are laughably bad. Modern is supposedly in a good spot, and I have no idea about Legacy
>>97189507>oh boy I sat down to play the 100 card format and the game ended turn 50 and I only saw one (1) iteration of a game - a fucking grindfest, no blowouts - but hey at least we can shuffle up and play again... Next week! (MAYBE, WE'RE ALL SINGLE RIGHT? WHEW!) I wonder what new grindy game where one player will be zoning out and go browse his phone I'll see!!You rn
I think there is a general problem with people who underestimate how fast certain commanders/strategies can be. Aristocrats are a prime example, even a 'just ok' budget deck closes games routinely on t7. Token aggro, group slug and landfall are also good examples. They just work. But: game length is no indicator for power level. I've seen cEDH games go on for nearly 3 hours.
Question:What is wrong with long games when all we are doing is wasting time anyway? Do some people just like shuffling more?
>>97189513>the game ended turn 50This doesn't happen in reality, but turn 2 wins do happen in cEDH. So you are not on the side of reality and I am. Fuck off with your sperg comments.
>>97189509>(You) win in style (with a bad one) once every dozen or so games>I win all the restWhat's the problem then?I can't think of a more perfect transaction
>>97189513>will be zoning out and go browse his phone I'll seeagain, zoomer projection
>>97189516This. All these speds would be doing is playing for 2 hours anyway. There is no inherent value to seeing more of the early turns of games, it is only autism that tells them there is
>>97189517nta but while I've never personally seen a turn 50 EDH game, a lot of the decks I play against are constructed so poorly I can definitely imagine them turning into 50 turns of draw-go if I wasn't around to force them to play the game.
>>97189517i'm not the one sperging off that the game has gotten faster and can't handle this truth btw
>>97189518some people don't like the one time a game will go long because the stax player got a lock but is top decking the win
>>97189516a game that goes on for too long becomes a slog. fresh game, fresh chances. and everyone likes a fresh new chance.
>>97188341You build two relatively simple decks that have some mechanics, explain the basic rules and play a few games. I don't even know how that is a question. Obviously a full EDH game sucks to go get into the game, but for just the rules, you start simple and work yourself up or something. The question should more be how technical you be? Do you explain the stack from the getgo? Probably depends on the person and their experience with other tcgs, especially ygo.
>>97189528>claim that all he cares about is winning in style>now he cares about spike stomping him too harshlykek
>>97189522>there's no inherent value in seeing MORE of the early turns of games>but there's inherent value in seeing LESS of the early turns of games fr fr!!
>>97189516Nothing inherently as long as everybody gets to do at least something. Shit only sucks if Timmy takes 75% of the time for his turns cause he takes forever to play anything. Or if someone can't do shit the whole game.
>>97189530>long becomes a slogmaybe you just don't like this game or you are overextending
>>97189521>outright denying that edh players don't look at their phone when the game becomes a slogdenial ain't just a river in egypt clearly
>>97189527You've come to a 100 card format that was specifically intended to fuck around and have fun in, and you're bitching that games aren't as fast as Standard. It's you with a problem here>>97189530This is magical thinking. You're still playing the same game. If anything there's less ways to play your opening turns so you're seeing more of the same plays. You just magically think that because there's been a reset things will be different this time when you already had the power to change the game you were in>>97189541The value of a longer game is we all get to interact more and make bigger and more complex plays.Early turns inherently have less possible board states and plays.Maybe that's it, maybe you're a fucking brainlet who can't handle complexity.
>>97189530>I pwayed my hole hand and got intewacted wif and now I'm dwawing 1 cawd a tun and hoping it lets me dwaw more cawds ;((((((
>>97189547Players at my LGS think it's rude to have your phone out so no one goes on their phone unless it's to look up rules.Now what?
>>97189548>nooooo a casual format can't be made competitive!!the other way around happens all the time and for you to deny the opposite is simply your delusion
>>97189548it's just wotc employer(s) defending their straight to commander design powercreep
>>97189554>>nooooo a casual format can't be made competitive!!Shouldn't be. You're a fucking moron if you think you can win a 4 person card game through skill. In a 1v1 your opponents mistakes only advantage you, but in a 1v1v1v1 turn order and deck theme are a factor in who is most advantaged by mistakes and that erases and true competitive aspect of it.But whatever the case, faster =/= more competitive. If WotC shat out a 2CMC miracle "you win the game" card, the game would be much faster but not more competitive
>>97189548The value of shorter games is we all get to find out how our decks handle various situations, how well they mulligan, how well they handle being disrupted, how good it feels to blow out the table with them, we find out if a card is actually worth cutting out and make better functioning decks.Long running games inherently have less possible board states and plays because duh, less games.Maybe that's it, maybe you're a fucking brainlet who has never won an FNM.
>>97189558this'll blow your mind, but poker is a competitive game and it's a FFA
>>97189560>tl;dr I use live games to playtest decks because I'm a fucking retardYou know you can do this online right?
>>97189563Remind me which cards interact with opponents in poker again????
>>97189564solitaire isn't playtesting retard
>>97189568>he doesn't knowAw baby how new are you to the hobby?
>>97189567>claim FFA can't be compettive>get btfo>uh... muh interaction?!(You) moved those goalposts mighty quick huh? lol
>>97189545>>97189548no, long becomes a slog, that is a universal truth for every single activity.fresh start also means people taking a break, talking about other things and regenerating. it also means you have a chance to see or play cards that weren't present in the last game.last but not least, fast games hurt spiteful little autists, which is always a morally good thing to do.
>>97189560Why would long running games have less possible board states when shorter games inherently are seeing and playing fewer cards?
>>97189569>don't pumbstomp irl, do it online!imagine begging that i do my thing online because you can't actually refute it and you just want me to go away HAHA
>>97189577because long running games are less games, doofusand believe it or not, you don't actually get a god hand every single game
>>97189571>get btfoSorry when was this? Was it when a random chance bluffing game was compared to an interactive strategy game? Because unless "btfo" stands for "blurted that foolish opinion" I don't think you btfo anyone
>>97189582>You're a fucking moron if you think you can win a 4 person card game through skill>*poker enters the battlefield*>anon diesfamous last words
>>97189583Imagine being this desperate to bait people on 4channel
>>97189588imagine losing though
>>97189589lmao gottem
>>97189572put more card draw in your decks>and regeneratinghow smooth does a brain have to be to need a BREAK every hour. if you have adhd that's fine but that's just youand for the last part the same applies the other way too
>>97189602>put more card draw in your decksI'm trying but everybody hates rhystic sphinx citadel and necro for some reason
>>97189602My pod runs more card draw than you can fathom, which is exactly why all my pod's games are short. My pod plays shit like big black mana, Sauron wheel and Jenova. The longest game we had in the last few weeks was 1 hour, exactly 12 turns. I remember because I tested a deck I haven't assembled yet on my laptop via moxfield.The average game we play is probably less than half an hour. On the average game night, we play around 5-8 games.>need a BREAK every hourIt's not a need. It's a want. We like to chill.
>>97189581put more card draw in you deck
>>97189581That is not how number of games interacts with board states, doofus.
>>97189589>lose argument>b-but what about another game allegoryI'm amazed you didn't go for a food analogy
>>97189609>My pod plays shit like big black mana, Sauron wheel and JenovaMuch is explained.
>>97189617long running games have exactly one (1) board state, which is a deadlock, that's why it's long, doofus
>>97189624>long games only can exist because of deadlocks[citation needed]
>>97189618cry more lol>>97189583
>>9718960912 turns isn't a "fast" game. you are just playing faster than lgs randos and honestly that's what everyone should be doing.I feel people here think anything over 10 turns becomes some 2 hour grindfest because timmy plays 15 minute turns
>>97189628who is that post quoting?
>>97189632Be for fucking real though: Timmy McSwingout never the problem at these tables. It's overwhelmingly some Johnny sitting at the table with some deck they cooked up in Arena, a monstrosity which only plays well online because a computer is meticulously handling every single trigger involved in the turn. Without a computer enforcing the rules on these troglodytes every single turn turns into the Dropped Trigger Power Hour and I do mean HOUR.
>>97189627if someone was winning they either would have won shortly after or one of the other guys would be winning shortly instead if the first one's wincon was answeredevery long game is a grind no matter how fancy the board state looks and only casuals deny this truth
>>97189632>timmy plays 15 minute turns>this is a good thing and should not be discouragedmight as well unban shahrazad, who cares about your time right?
ts ok guys, I created a computer program that analyzes an entire playgroups decks and determines which deck is going to win the match without having to physically. Now a pod/LGS can get any many more games in a single night. Wizards has endorsed my idea because this ensures the optimal game time and use of everyone's time
>>97189646I'm just saying that if the game goes for 20 turns and is long because of that it's fine because we are playing but if the game is just as long on turn 10 because one player is hogging all the time it's not
>>97189651I wish this were real
>>97189623explained my ass, those were just examples of decks that draw more cards than you will ever need to demonstrate that card draw is completely irrelevant for the length of the game. if anything, you explained your utter lack of knowledge of the game.
>>97189651well that's no funi wouldn't be able to touch proxied game pieces in double sleeves and make autists cry about it
>>97189653btw this whole argument started because one person kvetched about power creep in muh forever casual edh >>97189466
>have a deck I love to play>everyone complains about it>stop playing it>everyone still complains about it over a month later like it's the actual boogeyman >spiteful because I hate some of their shit too but I try not to be a wet blanket about itAnnoying.
>>97189655>turn fucking 12I bet you don't even think it's that bad because it only took an hour of real life time. Is your pod named the Kings of B1, out of curiosity?
>>97189651>year is 2035>MTG no longer prints physically cards>everything is done through phone APP>people plug their decks into APP and winner is determined instantly>no simulation or actual game>UB is on its 300th set, the latest being Lego Netflix One Piece season 58
>>97189673>implying one piece will be finished in 2035 for there to be a lego one piece
>>97189677Lego One Piece already exists anon, at least for the Netflix show
>>97189672why would you make such a hilariously retarded post, anon? who shat into your head?
>>97189679>I got called out and I feel bad about it so I'm gonna lash outSorry champ you are playing in the most casual of pods.
>>97189680>I am unable to comprehend what I'm reading and now I have to act retardedjesus christ the gall kek
>>97189682the only thing galling here is your play
>>97189707>>97189707
>>97188710What does your razia deck do?
>>97189288She looks like Anita sarkeesian
