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>>97289132
A real tremere uses Path of Conjuring to make their red shades appear & disappear.
>TT
Tremere will eventually usurp everyone's role, this is the only solution

>>97289197
Are those red shades hiding some weird (possibly cursed) eyes?

>>97289132
>What is the solution to the Treme Question?
Make them wear blue.

>>97289014
Is the implication of the book that the reader simply believes he knows everything about werewolves, and everything he says is true, or that's is he hilariously in over his head?
>>97289132
The Tremere question is Vicissitude.

Here's a question of my own design.
How scary would a Churchill Crocodile be against the World of Darkness? Say a group of hunters fixed one, got it working, and got it fully loaded?

>>97289302
Would really be only effective aganist Kindred.
>WtA
The Master of Fire is a lv. 1 Gift
>MtA
An Etherite must have already built one, statistically speaking.
>WtO
Lol. Lmao even
>CtD
Kiths might be able to get Glamour just from the damn thing existing

>>97289302
How do you drive a tank to the vampire's haven without getting arrested?

>>97287299
Think for a second about your average World of Darkness chronicle and all of the insane shit that occurs.

Regular mass embracing from the Sabbat, which involves them kidnapping people, embracing them and then throwing them at the Camarilla.
Pentex transforming masses of people into fomori on a weekly basis, many of whom go on to cause horrible crimes.
Werewolves rampaging through industrial facilities, slaughtering everyone inside and making it look like someone unleashed a dozen bears in a power plant only for those bears to mysteriously disappear.
Men in black dealing with terrible apocalyptic events on a weekly basis, only to cover up any trace that they ever happened and wiping the memories of everyone involved.

All of this happens in the World of Darkness, on top of all of the crazy shit that happens in the real world, and no one gives a shit, because the World of Darkness is inherently worse. All of this mass murder and destruction has been normalised in a way that it just isn't in the real world. Humanity is even more inherently shitty than it is in the real world, everyone gives even less of a fuck about the people around them they do in the real world, and then you get the supernatural on top of that.

It's easy to look at the campy 90s setting and chortle at it from a jaded 2020s perspective, but the 90s World of Darkness was an order of magnitude worse than the real 90s. Similarly, a real 2020s World of Darkness would be an order of magnitude worse than the real 2020s. More death, more horror, more banality, some of it orchestrated by the supernatural, but with an even worse humanity being responsible for most of it. If you're such a black-pilled doomer that you can't fathom anything worse than the world you currently live in, there might be something wrong with you.

>>97289476
Yep, the sabbat/cam war in WOD since the 90s has murdered over a million Americans, Mexico is seeing dozens of groups composed of monsters and all to real humans tear it apart.

Read Tattered facades, I know we like to critique V5 but there are some good concepts in it that are sadly not developed more.

Like the Brujah venatlor given the job of trying to make their clan's revolt something real by convincing groups to join and create infrastructure , something that nearly always leads to them going batshit given the hopelessness of the clan of rebels.

Gangrel with a breeding fetish wanting to create hordes of childer to take over a city and purge of anyone who could force restriction's on him.

Nosoi literally living in the walls of people watching their obsession half hoping tonight is the night they finally hear something and get paranoid.

Baali are a bit of a disappoint but I guess it was destined to happen given the more agnostic writers.

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>CtD has actual Goblins (Thallains of the Nockers) in it
How come none of you ever mentioned this?

>>97289925
Too young. Most of those big titty goblins are teenagers. You wouldn't smash a teen goblin would you?

I think setite sorcery is neat

>>97289925
CtD has like 1000 different splats. It's complete mess, so we're bound to forget a few hundred.

>Goblin complexion ranges from Green to Brown.
We could have chocolate Goblins...

>>97289424
Easy. You say you're filming a movie. Have someone there with fake credentials and equipment.

Name the top three /wodg/ topics that you're sick of.

>>97290196
1. Tremere Hate.
2. "Marcella Giovanni".
3. Overuse of Tzimisce as bad guys. We're not all bad.

If I was a Tremere Regent I'd just hang a ton of crucifixes all over the chantry so Baali can't infiltrate it. Either than or run a church chantry.

>>97290285
You do that and you know someone is going to complain that you're being paranoid or worst, religious.

>>97287299
In practice "it's like our world, but worse and darker" thing just means "it's our world, but you don't have to worry too much if all the violent, criminal and messed up shit all the factions are doing would be realistic/wouldn't be out of proportion/wouldn't be too much to keep undercover". Sometimes they also add the whole gothic punk aesthetic angle to it, but really it's mostly just a convenient narrative excuse

>>97290254
>not at all a Tremere counter-signalling as a Tzigger
I know what you are it is a bit overblown.

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>>97289925
>mfw

>>97290285
your average tremere regent probably never heard of baali before and if he did he might either think they are a legend or dead

>>97290320
Not only do we have to worry about Blackrock, Global Warming, Xijing Ping, and The Trumpinator, but also Fomori Epstein, Ventrue Rothchilds, and Mummy King Charles.

>>97290285
does it need to be christian symbols? because tremere sorcery is based on hermetic magic which is based on egptian magic

so you could probably justify quite a bit of ankhs and such without anyone raising a eyebrow

are gargoyles in vtm made out of stone skin, normal flesh and blood or are they fully stone except for the blood?

>>97290360
objects of any faith for baali, but it needs to be christian symbols to ward of telyavelic traitors

>>97290379
I always thought they were fully stone with just the rudimentary stylings of veins for their blood.

>>97290379
the ritual described in "house of tremere" involves bodyparts not just vitae and gargoyles without dots in fortitude are as durable as any vampire... so i think the former?

The World of Darkness is just our world but worst.
How much more insane is Alex Jones in this universe?

>>97290423
i think it's probably more that conspiracy theorists are more often just right just like the guy with the paranormal show in vtmb

so alex jones does not talk about frog being gay but nuclear waste werefrogs mutants

>>97290446
>"I DON'T LIKE PENTEX PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRIGGIN GAROU GAY!"

>>97290463
>THE GOVERMENT IS KILLING THE WOLF POPULATION FOR SPORRRRT

>>97290471
>Goblins are real, they're called Changelings. They are in your neighborhoods right now and they are stealing your childs sack lunches at school. This is their plan people!
Love the idea that everyone in the supernatural world knows Alex Jones is right but they just let him be.

so the resoltuion mechanic of storyteller is rolling as many d10 as you have points of relevant stats for the situation and then counting the successes, while the DM decided how many successes you need?

>>97290508
>while the DM decided how many successes you need?
No. If you get a positive number of successes, it succeeds.

In WoD the DM sets a target number on the dice you need to hit to get a success, while any 1s remove a success.

In CofD the DM assigns situational bonus and penalty dice, and has a fixed success range of 7-10.

What kind of Garou would Jake be?

>>97290590
my buddy Jake was a total Fianna

Are there ways of determining if a vampire is a caitiff? Missing obvious clan flaws are one thing, but whats stopping someone from posing as, say, a brujah?
Though I guess there's also blood sorcery, because there's blood sorcery for everything.

>>97290741
There are certain immutable traits that show up when someone a clan or not. You gotta know your stuff to really masquerade as one.

>>97290379
Flesh & blood that looks kind of like stone & becomes even more stone like as you increase Visceratika, but it's always just flesh & blood

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>>97290423
>>97290463
>>97290471
You guys didn't mention the Alex Jones of WoD, shame on you!

>>97290423
Alex Jones is a Glasswalker kinfolk.

>>97290446
Most "conspiracies" in our world turn out to be right as well. There's a fair number of absolute looney shit, designed & distributed by glowies to bury the lede, but I'd say 80% are real or close enough & only missed their mark by a little bit. It's like, how many people laughed at pizzagate & called it fake when Epstien Island exists?

>>97290498
I mean, making the public unwilling to ever believe the stuff you want to keep secret by leaking it via conspiracy theorists who behave like absolute lunatics is a certified CIA classic

>>97290776
>Glass Walker
Try Malkavian Thinblood too popular to get rid of

>>97290774
>Schnoblin.
I want him to be attacked by Goblins who will Schnoblin his Noblin.

Reminder that vampires and werewolves both share roughly the same average iq

>>97290854
Imagine being as smart as a Garou.

>>97290854
>>97290870
>A Brujah and Garou are trapped in a building, and the only way to get out is through a very specific phrase.
>"How do you tame a horse in Minecraft?"

>>97290508
>>97290543
>In CofD the DM assigns situational bonus and penalty dice, and has a fixed success range of 7-10.
To correct this anon and answer the question, in the nWoD/CofD you generally need only one success (which is 8 to 10 on a d10, 10s explode) to succeed at a roll done as an instant action. Extended actions like research or crafting instead have target number of success you have to reach to succeed, with each roll representing a certain lenght of time.

Bonuses from equipment and circumstances apply.

Who would win in a fight, a Brujah/Gangrel Ancilla, or a 1980s roided and cocained out of his mind cartel guy with nothing left to lose and a body whose blood composition is 99% columbian marching powder?

>>97290854
Average "median" IQ, specifically.

>>97290898
is this a real question?

>>97290943
I am 100% serious.

>>97290950
Without True Faith or magic that coked-out Columbian is turning into a pile of gore really fast.

>>97290950
Presence 2 wins
Animalism 3 wins
so uh

Imagine being Talaq. You're the only known kindred in the lore who was cured of your vampirism while keeping some of your powers and longevity. Then when the Assamites and Setites find out, they try to kill you. While you're dodging assassination attempts left and right, Maimonides decides to call in the solid he did you 500 years ago by cucking you from your geopolitical power plays, and then juuuust when things are slightly looking up, Ur-shulgi wakes up, snaps his fingers and turns you into tang from a distance.

There's a lesson in there.

>>97290898
Probably the coke fiend. The Brujah has roughly 7-15 Blood Points to use depending on how recently he fed & his generation. The coke fiend has way more coke to fuel him

>Brujah attempts to feed on the Coke Fiend.
>But theres so much coke in his system.
>Too much coke.
>He becomes so fucking high from the tainted blood.

>>97290950
coke just gives you the equivalent of celerity 1 in vtm and does not scale up

so sadly without going into mage you are not going to make Snowflame

>>97290881
>To correct this anon and answer the question
You mean expand on the answer.

The key thing with Extended actions is that you can't really "fail" them unless you manage a Dramatic Failure. They also don't come up that often.

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>>97290983
GOAT MENTIONED

>>97290972
>Columbian Gangrel bloodline that runs off of cocaine
Would be kino

Given how V5 and W5 absolutely nerfed vamps and woofs into being pathetic and how sphere magic works if M5 ever comes out do you think we'll finally get mage supremacy in oWoD like it is in CofD or will they completely nerf sphere magic too?

Because I'm struggling to think of a way they can nerf mages the way they have vamps and woofs without sphere magic becoming utterly unplayable and completely losing the appeal of the whole splats.

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Marcella so far.

>>97291078
Needs more incest.

>>97291065
Given how Curseborne tried to push the "The Magivians" style "magic is crack" shit, we will probably see more of that. You'll be letting some skeezy guru rape your butthole for a little bit of magic, & working a 9-5 at Wyrmbucks, while going to college

>>97291065
i assume they are going to make paradox awful as fuck to deal with by basically adding paradox dice or some shit so that magic becomes too risky to use at all

>>97291065
>completely losing the appeal of the whole splat
Anon have you read W5 and H5? I suspect Magic will just be extremely limited and you'll never be able to tank Paradox as it'll become a soft humanity system to get you instant loss, just like Harano and stuff. Oh, and you'll have a touchstone.

>>97290985
Nah, correct. 7s don't count as success in CofD

>>97291078
Need her nips poking through her shirt/bra less look. Also she needs a shorter skirt

>>97291103
>Pokies.
>Shorter skirt.
Gotta go to work soon but I think I can make an edit.

>>97291084
I actually fear you might have hit the nail on the head for this one, with the caveat that this only works at all if they sell M5 as a reboot of sorts (like they should have done with W5).
I could see such a version with the Technos not even being mages anymore but more derived from the "stasis drones" that 1e initially sold them as, and a removola of the Council of 9 as an organisation in favor lots of "smaller, more personal" factions a-la disparates of M20.

https://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/werewolf.html#temmegreifswald

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>There's a conspiracy of elite predators that all cover for each other
>The economy is running off a corporation that gets off on human misery
>Nobody knows what's real anymore and America's being run by the Technocracy
>We're supposed to blame everything on a version of China from hundreds of years ago
>Delusional weirdos claim to be trapped in the wrong body and are dying off due to cringe
Why is this setting nonfiction /tg/?

>>97291084
Nah, that's OPP trying to invent something that isn't Mage. VtM s the addict game. Woof didn't make Rage into an allegory for meth, after all.

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>>97291103
Shes got on those black leather thigh high boots that squeak with every step.

>>97291093
>Paradox as a morality stat
>Touchstones enforced
They're going to completely miss the point of mage by making it a game about "the horror of being out of consensus" where every mage is a marauder-lite

>>97291165
well this is the same team that made werewolf a game about being depressed and having a 9 to 5

>>97291090
Paradox being more dangerous is good tho, as it currently is almost a non-issue for anyone with half a brain unless the ST makes some houserules. Of course the main issue is not the harsher rules themselves but the fact that it will most likely be a dogshit implementation. Especially if Phil Cuckato writes it.
>>97291093
>Magic will be extremely limited
This would completely obliterate the game line as the main appeal of Mage is the freeform magic system that lets you do almost anything(as long as you have the Spheres and Arete necessary)

>Soft humanity system
This isn't necessarily a bad thing on its own.

>>97291180
goatboy as far as we know is not yet affiliated with paradoxwolf

so far the team that allegedly works on m5 are the wod5 team + some dnd 5e guys they manage to poach

>>97291135
The way I see it, technocracy will be everything wrong about the world, hypercapitalist, corporate, AI slop, social media brainwashing, boomer shit etc. & they'll be fascists somehow. Virtual Adepts will be digital freedom fighters & everything "good" about the internet. No grey area or middle ground, no "six of one half dozen of the other" where the Technocracy is only evil no positives. Technocracy = Boomers is gonna be a hammer of writing prompt, everything is gonna be "technocracy/i.e. boomers ruined everything & "stole" our magic from us".

The Traditions will be dying. Like, extra dying, & barely holding on. Also they're gonna be tied to as much non-western stuff as possible. Mages will be forced to be Traditions only, & they'll be squabbling & sucking dick for what little bit of magic remains to be shared.

>>97291187
>Some dnd 5e guy they managed to poach
Jesus Christ man, Mage 5 is over before it ever begun. Is there no one with good taste over there?
>>97291180
>Obliterate the game line
So just like Wolves needing to get a 9-5 and being more about the community than fighting the big man forma de globohomo corp?
Or Hunters being dime a dozen tacticool spooks who are still forbidden from getting anything done because God forbid you're a j*bber? Unironically, V5 got it the best despite being the launching point for this retardation. The game is mostly 1-1 except for Hunger being retarded dogshit and more changes. Amalgam disciplines also suck but it's not the worst. Obtenebration+ Necromancy changes though, genuinely retarded move.

>>97291149
Doesn't matter, they don't care about that. They care about what burnt out zoomers working at Starbucks & going to college THINK mage is about.

>>97291180
>This will obliterate the game line

They don't care. They aren't making the game for us. They are making the game for the "modern audience" free form magic rules are "hard" they want something easier

>>97291165
>>97291175
And don't forget, you will be a schizophrenic lil marauder and still forced to work a 9-5 because printing money tracked 100% accurately by the Federal Reserve and IRS will be a massive paradox breach.

>>97291164
Kinda sloppy. Kinda real sloppy
Never draw again

>>97291243
>Jesus Christ man, Mage 5 is over before it ever begun.
that's underselling it. I don't really like doom posting but it's deserved here i think

they put a literal who dnd 5e girl in charge of the entire brand after looking for a brand director for 3 months
>https://www.linkedin.com/in/lanzillo/
jason carl the guy who was the most excited about the new white wolf jumps ship not a month after before any new product is even offically announced for a non job at a dnd dungeon master academy
>https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/jasons-farewell
and then we learn that vtmb2 lost paradox like 37 million dollars
>https://www.pcgamesn.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/development-cost-write-down

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>>97291065
I'll just repost a shitpost I made a while back, about what M5 is most likely going to be like. Expect nothing pleasant.
>>97291295
>and then we learn that vtmb2 lost paradox like 37 million dollars
Honestly, I'm shocked that it didn't bomb harder. I was expecting over a hundred million at this point.

>You don't understand! We HAVE to run our personal games it in the stupidest and most bad-faith way possible, or else the Californians will cancel us! They'll post on all their tumblrs and make tiktoks to bring in DND 5e players! They'll call us problematic! THIS IS THE END OF THE HOBBY, NO HOPE, NO HOPE

>>97291315
Why don't we tell them to fuck off

>>97291065
They're going to tear down the world of old Mage to pigeonhole it into being a street level game, if I had to guess. It really seems to be all they want

>>97291320
I don't think mass fan backlash will work at this stage. We can't gamergate our way out of this, they'll just tell all the tumblr lesbians that we're being homophobic and give themselves permission to ignore us.

Given >>97291295, I feel like if we throw a huge shitfit, it'll either do nothing, or make Paradox feel like the brand's not worth it and just kill it.

Also I feel like in that environment, there's nothing they could possibly do right. Even if they just put out a version of M20 where the rules are conveyed better and less sphere bloat, I think we'd still be complaining.

>>97291308
>>97291295
Wasn't the Bloodlines 2 cost 67 Mil? Rather cheap for a "AAA" rpg, but still not the largest loss Paradox has had being stupid. Not to say Bloodlines 2 didn't bomb, it was just absurdly cheap for an RPG. I'm fairly certain owlcat's games have similar-ish budgets, at least the new ones. Though it wouldn't surprise me if Owlcat's budget was merely 10 million per game.

>>97291336
>brand's not worth it and kill it
This would unironically be the best outcome, so that someone less retarded (few choices) will buy it. The Onyx Path negroes aren't the best but Curseborne is mostly better than any WoD5 slop pushed out.

>>97291336
>That were all homophobic.
But I am a homo. I think I'm immune to that.

>>97291349
Why the fuck are you here if you hate it so much? How the fuck are thing supposed to improve if all we do is screech about how it's shit and terrible and can't be good ever.

How about instead we fucking talk about how to salvage V5 and W5? They're not unplayable and it's not like we've never had to ignore retarded metaplots before.

>>97289132
>What is the solution to the Tremere Question?
A wooden stake to the heart, then replace their nose with a complete set of male genitalia so when they try to feed they feel their scrotum flopping around on their upper lip.

>>97291284
insecure

>>97291375
>Deflection of Wooden Doom
> Cauldron of Bloodx2 (Path of Blood ***** + Focused Mind ***)
>GG2EZ

>>97291365
I like the IP a lot actually, and though I have faith it can be salvaged (specifically V5, H5 I think is pretty hopeless), I just want to be realistic about the direction of the IP under Paradox. The odds that nu-White Wolf suddenly starts getting good taste in what each splat should be like isn't very high in my opinion. Maybe Hunter 5 and Werewolf 5 were just flukes because of Vigil's popularity and a writer's blatant distaste for werewolf. If that is the case, maybe there is hope for Mage 5. As for salvaging W5, hard to say because of how plausible shit like the Kinfolk removal and the loss of some tribes happens because of the Nation's collapse and not purely the soft-reboot nature of W5. At the very least, there would need to be a rework to how shit like Harano and Hauglosk work as well as future material writing around the inherent doom of "the apocalypse happened already lol, and it's gay." Certainly hard to do. I'll at least dislike W5 forever because of the Get and Fianna getting removed, and the lack of Skin Dancers. I'm mostly indifferent on the other changes and the actual mechanics of playing aren't bad.
>tldr. V5 has potential just needs better writing and mechanics, H5 is doomed, W5 needs a complete overhaul of the atmosphere and themes.

>>97291284
>>97291383
I on the other hand appreciate OC, so I will be thanking the anon. Looks a bit smug though, might be built for rape correction by a certain long-lived Bubblegum Mage girl.

>>97291365
>They're not unplayable
They are in my opinion. There's nothing worth salvaging and beyond that, why bother trying to salvage the shitty new edition when you could play older editions and/or make homebrew?

Consumerism has done some wild shit to people's brains, making them think new editions have to be played over older ones, even if the new edition is worse.

>>97291421
Harano and Hauglosk being gameified is only shit because of the comical oversight that there's NO MECHANIC TO REDUCE THEM

>>97291365
I dont understand the question. My v20 w20 c20 are lately perfect the way they are. MDA needs some work though

>>97290196
>Name the top three /wodg/ topics that you're sick of.
Caine and Lilith, the morality of the Technocracy, and the stupidity of werewolves.

>>97291476
You'd think they'd counter-act each other right? Although, I still think werewolf spiritual depression/berserk rage is a stupid concept that's almost entirely divorced from W20 and earlier. Werewolves get sad yes, because they're human. They have supernatural anger sure, but they get blinded by rage because ultimately they're still human-ish on the inside. Deciding to simply doomp terms and make them fail states in a line that didn't previously come with fail states other than dying is just kind of cringe. Pretty sure it comes from WtA haters on the writing team personally. They're not horribly offensive, they're just silly.
>>97291459
I like some parts of WoD5, it isn't totally worthless. Though I agree, a lot of more normie-adjacent players think you MUST play the latest edition. I think the more modern art, even if a large amount of it is traced or copied, plays no small part of it. It's easier to look at for the person impressed by pretty graphics, just like 5E until some of the latest books have been too aggressively gay and cartoony.

>>97291432
Like a human would take a vampire. She'd obviously rape you.

>>97290196
Tremere worship.
Dunking on the Garou.
Dunking on the Traditions.

If a faction is cunning and pragmatic and clever, /wodg/ loves it. If a faction is backwards and superstitious and primitivist, /wodg/ loves to hate it. It's gotten a bit trite.

>>97291543
Nah, Duchess Bubblegum can take her.
>>97291544
>wodg hates Garou haters
>wodg hates Garou lovers
Is this what Banality is like?

>>97291243
>God forbid you're a j*bber?
It's amazing how they took out a pretty interesting part out. Different compacts and conspiracies make vigil better and oWoD had multiple book dedicated to different hunter organisations.

>>97290196
>Gay woof/gay mage posting
>mother/weaver posting
>Technocrat posting

>>97291564
>Marcella the Vampire is "best friends" with Bonniebel the Human Mage.
Would such a thing be possible? I know tremere do it but tremere are weird.

>>97290196
Tremere glazing, autism battles related to garou being retarded / not being retarded, obvious coomposts

>>97291544
>W5 complaining
>M5 dooming
>trannies and blacks are playing the game now, this has never happened in the 1990s or 2000s!

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So did drawGOD ever finish his O'Tolley's piece he was posting with the really tall manager?

>>97291544
>If a faction is cunning and pragmatic and clever, /wodg/ loves it.
Yes? What's wrong with that?

>>97291567
They wanted Vigil without being Vigil and they produced slop that holds a candle to neither Vigil nor Reckoning. Honestly, if they just called it Hunters Hunted 5 and were honest about their intentions it'd be a lot more popular. Hell, if it was written as Hunters Hunted instead of just bootleg Vigil we'd probably be singing H5's praises for being a cool grounded experience about being a designated victim in a world of supernatural predators, where becoming the hunter instead of the hunted tests your wits and preparation. Instead of
>woe is me, the world is filled with supernatural threats and yet if I join the Leopoldites I'd be no better
Hunter the Parenting is relatively rather smart for not caring too much about the jobbing nonsense.
>>97291585
If we accept that she's a Giovanni or a Brujah it's a lot more possible. They're noticeably less autistic about friendship I think.

>>97290774
I can only imagine how good he's feeling in V5, and how much his colleagues have to suffer him now.

>>97291616
>HtP mentioned
Big Fraud does all the jobbing we need

>>97291633
>Big Fraud does all the jobbing we need
True. He went from
>I'd settle for wiping out the third generation at least
to
>AIEEE, A SINGLE WEREWOLF?! SAVE ME COALITION-SAMA
real quick.

>>97291633
He's a jobber in the worf sense, but he's certainly not an jobber in the org sense. I can respect that, even if he is hilariously inept at parenting and possibly hunting.
Door on the other hand, what a gigachad.

Is Hunter the Parenting worth watching?

>>97291664
The humor is not for everyone, so your best bet is to watch the first episode and see if you like it

>>97291660
>Single werewolf
>When they operate in packs
>And they have a hostage

>>97291664
It's nice, but the updates are fucking glacial, because of massive scopecreep.

>>97291663
>but he's certainly not an jobber in the org sense
Isn't he with the Arcanum? I haven't watched HtP in a while. If he is it would explain why he has the knowledge but jobs on every actual hunt.

>>97291664
Outside of 5.2 for reasons I'm sure you've heard before, yes. Until the werewolf arc (and even that one has some gems) it was an incredible Hunter adventure and exploration into the setting, the music was atmospheric, the voice acting is phenomenal, great writing. The first main antagonist is incredibly cool. I'd say watch the first arc, figure out if you like it, watch the 3 subchapters, and if you really enjoy it watch the rest. 5.3 is also phenomenal, by far the best log.

>>97291664
Depends on what you're looking for. There's parts I love and parts that annoy me.
Pros:
>A WoD show that isn't theater kids playing dress-up while they play V5
>Very solid character work and voice acting
>An immaculate soundtrack, their music guy is really good and I use a ton of HtP music for my own sessions.
>Strong sense of aesthetics, has a good WoD "feel" to things.

Cons:
>It's a weird mix of oWoD and occasional random bits of WoD5 bolted on very haphazardly, filtered through the eyes of a very biased lorefag writer.
>The pacing is atrocious, expect multi-month waits just for another three new characters and two new plotlines to be opened up. Scope creep has gotten real in the second arc, where the first one was pretty concise.
>Humor doesn't always land, can come up at weird points
>Animation isn't for everyone

If nothing else, I'd say watch the first arc. It's a fairly concise low level Hunters vs. Vampires story.

>>97291708
He was in the arcanum until roughly 5 years before the show, and even then I get the impression he was there more for Occam and Markus than because he wanted to be there.
He also talks a big game about hunting before the arcanum days with his father and family.

>>97291685
Now there's a pack yeah, but him and an entire chapterhouse couldn't pack up a single Werewolf, and the Werewolf had to wing it. Not only did the werewolf take little to no lasting damage, but she made a clean escape with a hostage. The only real victory the hunters got over her was from Remold destroying the data so she couldn't get her hands on it.

If it were a normal hunter failing to kill an apoc werewolf with zero prep time, I wouldn't give them shit. But D has talked some ludicrous shit, always swaggers about saying he's the best hunter ever, but he has genuinely zero on screen Ws. I'm gonna give him shit for failing to kill one werewolf when he says shit as insane as "wipe out the third generation".

>>97291708
He was for a while but they kicked him out for scaring the hoes.

>>97291682
>>97291705
>>97291719
>>97291720
The only thing I know is that I want to draw the fat goth vampire. But given everything here, I'll check it out.

>>97291615
If whether somebody like something is determined by how clever, successful and powerful that thing is, then that somebody is a little insecure.

>>97291720
The atmosphere, sound, and audio design is better than some professional shows.
>pacing is atrocious
So true, Christ are these guys slow compared to TTS days (and they make more money).

>>97291735
To be fair, Hunter 5 very much likes to hammer the point in that you have to be prepared for your hunt and they got ambushed by a Werewolf. Those things are nearly unkillable without silver or excessive use of violence like a full coordinated firing squad. D jobbed completely, but they were very unprepared. If anything, them beating a Sabbat pack when prepared and then jobbing horribly to a surprise Werewolf by the ST is very on-theme for a Hunter chronicle. I also think D has been sort of rewritten over-time to be more of an insane talker than an actual hardcore hunter. We'll get to see when his lore gets expanded on hopefully, but they have written themselves into a corner with him.
>>97291738
>Fat Goth
Not a vampire, but yes. She is for plapping. Hope you enjoy it, the first arc is incredibly good if you're willing to stomach the first 8 minutes being two dudes making cock jokes.

>>97291747
please don't associate me with reddit cringelords. I love the Sabbat BECAUSE they're a miserable, coping dumpster fire that's doing more to cause Gehenna than to stop it.

I also like the Tremere because, contrary to what cherrypicking fanboys say, the Tremere are a story of petty, hubristic wizards doubling down so hard and so often that they've dragged thousands into damnation, convinced they're just one century away from cracking the code and getting back into the green. Don't get me wrong they also get to do a lot of cool blood magic but the core of the Tremere experience is spending two centuries learning the basics while being the eternal gofer for a bitter elder. If you're lucky, you'll find a chill enough coterie to be your one reprieve from pyramid bullshit.

related to the other topic, but HtP does a good job with Kevin in explaining why being a Tremere sucks, even if you're a low gen nepobaby.

>>97291747
People like winners. Lol youre fucking retarded. Go jerk it to eternal losers somewhere else

>>97291788
Sadly, due to the Tremere fans in this general who ramble about how they're totally going to mastermind their way into becoming Stolen Moon Mummy Kithain Wraiths and how they're the real clan that's in charge of the Camarilla and how every other clan is just gargoyle fodder, I can't help but associate most Tremere fans with reddit cringelords like >>97291808.

Good on you for liking the Tremere for other reasons, but all too often, people like that are solely drawn to them because of their perception of the Tremere as tacticool mastermind winners.

>>97291762
>So true, Christ are these guys slow compared to TTS days (and they make more money).

I think the making more money is part of the problem. If you need to put out an episode frequently enough or nobody gets paid, you have to put something out. Not to mention, and this is the big kicker, the way internet creatives get paid creates a perverse incentive structure. Most of the money comes from subscription services, Patreon and similar sites. YouTube revenue isn't much by comparison. But they can't paywall the actual content people want to see, so instead they paywall interaction with them. Discord servers, behind the scenes peeks. The people who pay are usually going to be the biggest fans, and things like exclusive discords create parasocial cesspits.

Which practically means that most of the feedback they actually get is from a non-representative sample of diehard fans, all of whom have a parasocial relationship they don't want to jeopardize by giving constructive criticism or even, if something requires it, harsh truth. It's not a problem exclusive to them, mind you, and if this sounds like sour grapes, it's not. I'm still watching despite my concerns, I want the best for them, they're doing what I wish I could make a living on and I am genuinely happy for them. I'm just acknowledging that the way people get paid as indie creatives now practically begs for the creation of echo chambers and toxic positivity.

>>97291829
They all do this as a side job though, except maybe Alfa? idk.

>>97291838
Most of them yeah, I'm not sure what the exact breakdown is on that. But the money you make still matters. More money makes everything easier, and also facilitates the scope creep if you can suddenly pay five more voice actors for these bit roles you had in mind but didn't previously have the cash to pay for.

The Patreon makes about 28k a month right now. At its peak it was 35k after they announced the Youtube algorithm was fucking them. Obviously I have no clue where that money goes. I assume it's mostly for paying voice actors/animators, and then the core creatives pocket what's left, and again idk how that'd be split. Not a bad haul for a side job in any case. Based on their public Patreon posts, the production bottlenecks usually come from the writers room or the animators. Both relate to the scope creep issue, which is facilitated by having more money to put towards more ambitious ideas.

Ultimately I'm not in their DMs so this is speculative, but I don't think it's a coincidence. I could be wrong and it's 100% an issue of "when everyone's friends at a job, nothing gets done because nobody wants to be the necessary asshole taskmaster."

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>>97291616
So... If I were to run the best hunter mechanically, would that be Vigil, Reckoning, or Hunters Hunted 2? I like the Imbued and oWoD lore but not sure if their Edges are compelling enough for a player, and aren't sure if I'd have to learn too many new things as ST making the leap to CofD.

>>97291941
In terms of raw mechanics, basically nobody will argue against Vigil being the best. It has a bespoke monster creation system so you don't need to be beholden to the other oWoD splats at all, you could theoretically run Vigil for an entirely different setting if you want. oWoD groups wouldn't be too hard to port over to Vigil as Compacts/Conspiracies either. Hell, the hololive game was HtV and they were fighting wyrmshittery at one point, based entirely on the ST's memory of playing Vigil with her cousin or something like that. While related, nWoD/CofD is a full on different core system than oWoD, that'd be your biggest hurdle imo. I'll also make the case that Vigil's most underrated strength is that nWoD/CofD was a system designed around playable mortals while oWoD really wasn't and it shows. nWoD/CofD mortals are still pretty squishy, but not as comically easy to kill as oWoD mortals are. And when you're playing something like Hunters Hunted especially you really feel the fact that you die to everything stupid quick.

If you don't wanna put in extra work though, just run HtR or Hunters Hunted V20 depending on what your groups is feeling. They aren't unplayable games or anything.

>>97291817
I think you're taking the shitposters too seriously man.

>>97291616
>Hell, if it was written as Hunters Hunted instead of just bootleg Vigil we'd probably be singing H5's praises for being a cool grounded experience about being a designated victim in a world of supernatural predators, where becoming the hunter instead of the hunted tests your wits and preparation.
Speak for yourself. I'd still be giving it shit for having less content in it than Hunters Hunted V20, which is a damn supplement for vampire.

>>97291786
>Not a vampire.
That means she can get pregnant holy shit.
I love dick jokes too. Hilarious.

>>97292041
/wodg/ operates according to consensus. If people shitpost hard enough about something with enough confidence and frequency, the shitposts end up being treated like true canon.

>>97291941
Certainly Vigil with oWoD flavoring, but it's your choice. All three of those have their own appeal.

>>97292047
Based, hope you like it.

I have to admit it anons, even if the Tremere stuff is a bit overplayed though not by me I'm a big fan of the cross-splat bullshit and I wish the game had a lot more support for it. I'm not autistic enough to make a full cross-splatting guidebook yet but I'd like to try my hand at it sometime.

Yo /wodg/, it's still a work in progress but as mentioned a few threads ago here's Legacies the Unspoken, a collection of homebrew Legacies from the OP forums.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1khCpAjaKuFvNJv8ndRDggIt0pv4uV70M?usp=drive_link

>>97291983
>'ll also make the case that Vigil's most underrated strength is that nWoD/CofD was a system designed around playable mortals while oWoD really wasn't and it shows. nWoD/CofD mortals are still pretty squishy, but not as comically easy to kill as oWoD mortals are. And when you're playing something like Hunters Hunted especially you really feel the fact that you die to everything stupid quick.
That's just part of the Storyteller system. Even Exalted dies stupid quick if they aren't a combat build

Hey anons my st was running v5 but is now interested in doing a v20 campaign. What books would you recommend starting with?

Danny DeVito is a redcap and you can't tell me otherwise.

>>97292124
Just Core is enough to get started. The rest is very much supplemental.

>>97292128
Everyone loves DeVito though, which runs contrary to the Redcap frailty.

>>97292124
If his time is short, just V20 Core is perfectly fine.
My full recommendation would be;
V20 Core + Guide to the Camarilla + Guide to the Sabbat + Guide to the Anarchs + Players choosen Clan's Clan Book or Lore of the Clans

Optionally, Sins of the Blood (best book for the morality of Vampires in my opinion. It's Golconda section is also possibly the best written stuff in the whole WoD), Hunters Hunted 2 (Which will show him how different hunters and other human antagonists are in the past compared to V5)

>>97292147
He's the one RedCap that gets along with people

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>>97292147
Maybe he is one of those incredibly rare Seelie Redcaps?

>>97291413
I can keep sending sklatka all night every night. You'll never even see me because I won't get close enough for you to pull any of your Mary Sue bullshit.

>>97292159
>>97292135
Awesome thank you. Is there anything we should know about in particular before starting in v20 vs v5?

>>97292124
>>97292135
The clan books are cool but you only need the main book yes.

>>97292199
I'd recommend selecting a city and reading some of the metaplots for it for inspiration or any module chronicles. Also, always remember to grab enemy 5 in character gen. You won't regret it, I'm sure.

>>97292120
Yeah but mortals can't even soak lethal without armor, which kills their dex, which makes them useless in a fight. So they're especially fucked.

>>97292199
you'll succeed on your rolls about 50% more overall at "similar difficulty"

>>97292280
>Yeah but mortals can't even soak lethal without armor
Akashics can :)

>>97292298
shh don't let wodg know that these guys are secretly the munchkin pick that everyone overlooks

>>97292364
But what fantasy do Akashics fall into? And why would anyone play WoD to be a munchkin?

>>97292364
I thought Bastet were the munchkin choice (cat gifts + fera gifts + mage wonders + sorcery + dark thamaturgy and investments if wyrmish)?

>>97292298
The munchkin pic is being a Verbena/Akashic dual traditions PC. The Verberna have a ton of really weird and useful merits. The opposite is true for Etherites.

>>97292434
Chinese Buddhist martial arts mages, overlooked by most because it's an entire faction of mages dedicated to a cringe-worthy racial stereotype, a waste of a tradition just like Ravnos is a waste of a clan and Wendigo is a waste of a tribe. Unless you're really into that extremely narrow fantasy, it's not worth your time.

>>97292479
>not wanting to be a Bruce Lee who can deal lethal damage with a paperclip
get a load of this guy!

This is gonna be retarded but World of Darkness is our world, but darker. That means everything in our world is, in some way, ostensibly canon.
Could a Mage whose obsessed with the in-universe equivalent to 40K deck himself out as a Psycker?

>>97292455
not saying that they are the only pic but that they are the pick nobody cares about: Akashics get true magic with needing to prep foci for specific spells, more combat manuvers from the combat book than everyone else, their own magical martial arts that nobody not even other mages can learn and several merits that make you superhuman without paradox

they are by far the easiest mages to play as they have the easiest time with the supposed mage weakness of needing to be prepared and i fully recommend them for mage newcomer but nobody cares for them because martial arts master is such a outdated concept in fiction

>>97292479
You don't need to be Jackie Chan, a lot of battlemage type characters could be Akashics. Something like a jedi would fit into the tradition.

>>97292523
The Akashic paradigm is built on Chinese Buddhist philosophy and anyone accepted into the Akashic Brotherhood is going to be expected to adhere to it.

>>97292545
>He doesn’t know about the Li Hai
>He doesn’t know about the Wu Lung
A most shameful display.

>>97292364
>Like the Akashics
>Like the Stargazers
Why are all my favorites munchkin-bait? I play them straight.

>>97292566
While the Li Hai are more open to including Western philosophy in their paradigm, only the Roda d'Oro specialise in Western methodology, which is a sect of a faction of the tradition. The other 99% of the Akashic Brotherhood are going to look down their noses at your Western antics.
The Wu Lung are diehard Chinese nationalists working with the Akashics in an alliance of convenience until they're able to push out the filthy pig-like Technocratic westerners and reclaim their homeland.

>>97292494
it doesn't matter how obsessed you are with something if you still see it as fiction

>>97292607
So he should devot himself entirely to it then.

>>97292604
>The other 99% of the Akashic Brotherhood are going to look down their noses at your Western antics
That view is 100% against the Akashic attitude. There is no “superior” culture or way of doing things. In fact, the main point of their Paradigm is to transcend such notions. The Akashics are more united than any of the other Traditions. Any disagreements are mere philosophical, and even then, it’s always from the perspective of teaching rather than dividing.

>>97292621
I mean if you think the people at GW are secretly dropping hints to the existence of the immaterium and the psychic powers you can attain from being connected to it then sure you could become a mage but you are like >< this close to being a marauder

>>97292577
How are stargazers munchkin?

>>97292298
I said mortals. For Hunter. Dummy.

Let's be real for a minute. If your character can't create weapons of mass destruction, he's completely irrelevant to the setting at large.

>>97292736
Willpower used to be tied to tribe, and the stargazers were the only tribe that started with willpower 5.
WTA munchkins used to be immediately obvious because they always picked Lupus Ahroun Stargazers.

This hasn't been true for a while though, some oldfags have just never accepted that time has moved forward.

>>97292916
>Asian wolf retarded dudebro
How would that archetype work out during play? I know not all Ahrouns are meant to be retarded dudebros but it just seems to work out better like that.

>>97292950
With any competent ST, the munchkin quickly learns he's essentially playing the equivalent of a quadruple amputee in any situation that isn't combat.
This character:
>Can't have any modern talents, skills, or knowledges
>Can't get any work or interact in human society thanks to high rage constantly provoking the curse in normies
>Is constantly in danger of losing renown with their tribe for losing control(on a high rage character)
>Is expected to be pacifistic unless violence is absolutely necessary
These people ended up being burdens on the group for 90% of the game.

>>97292950
They see themselves as living weapons, made to be wielded against the enemies of the Garou. Stargazer Ahroun try to deprive themselves of ego and ambition, so that they can quell their rage only to unleash it at the perfect moment. It is the Gaia-given duty of these warriors to devote themselves to bloodshed and for that reason, they will never achieve enlightenment in this lifetime. They are simultaneously pitied and valued by the rest of the Stargazers.

So in play, they're likely to be stoic and grim warrior-monks who spend much of their time meditating to keep the rage at bay, until the time comes to unleash it on Gaia's enemies. Like >>97293031 suggests, they're not particularly interesting to play outside of combat.

>>97292434
ever seen the 2000s movie Bulletproof Monk? Akashiks be like that

>>97293192
Literally watched this yesterday & thought the same thing.

So, what's the lore on King Arthur in WoD?
did he fuck his fae half-sister?

>>97292479
Wendigo are cool, loser.

>>97292494
>Could a Mage whose obsessed with the in-universe equivalent to 40K deck himself out as a Psycker?
He can replicate most of it just fine given enough XP and leeway.

>>97293244
arthur might be a werebear, a sidhe or proto inqusitor and his half sister might be a sidhe, a verbena or a ventrue

or they might not ever been real at all as the ashen knights book mentions that local elders find the roundtable myths and the kindred who want to emulate them fucking hillarious because the legends are all super fake and they should know because they been around since before chivalry was a thing

>>97293244
Yes, he does it again in New York when they reincarnate.

>>97293244
There's a secret society embedded in the Technocracy that believe themselves to be the literal descendants of the Knights of the Round Table (and Queen Victoria was a member). Arthur himself was removed from ever having existed by mage fuckery but eventually came back in one of the CtD Time of Judgement scenarios iirc.

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>>97291983
Thanks anon. I'll see if the transition to Vigil 2e isn't that hard because I do hear a lot of good things from it and CtL and just run it with a oWoD coat of paint. Worst case scenario I end up running HtR o HH20 depending on if my player wants to schizomaxxx or not.

>>97293584
>bro can't even fuck random whores without someone bothering him
For fuck's sake.

>>97293291
Arthur was clearly a Chorister.

Tell me more about the Giovanni clan whilst I draw up Marcella. I don't know much of them outside of that small stint in VTMB.

>>97293984
Italy
Mafia
Incest
Necromancy
That's it.

>>97293990
Thats it?

>>97294020
They're also a little bit jewish, only a branch iirc. They're an offshoot of the Capodocians I think?

>>97294020
Yes, that's it.

>>97294040
>>97294032

Huh.
In that case, how should Marcella Giovanni act?

>>97294042
Dunno, maybe she loves some incest-play with whoever she's fucking?

>>97294048
Alright I need to know. What is the history of Giovanni?

>>97294076
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Giovanni#History
They were a family/group of mortal Italian necromancers embraced by the old Cappadocians during the middle ages. Eventually killed most of the old clan and took over. Their chief, Augustus, diablerized (Cappadocius). Kinda.
Based in Venice, but behave like Southern Italians.
Also, incest (it's part of how their necromancy works, iirc).

>>97294104
>Based in Venice, but behave like Southern Italians.
I know exactly what Marcella is now.
>An entire clan of vampires who extend from one family, and who keep it within the family.
And here I was going to make Marcella out to be some Nueva-Rich scene queen. In reality she would've been plaguing her family, using her Cello as an excuse to go out into the world, and she probably was predatoring on Flynn the Imbued Boy.

>>97294120
>>An entire clan of vampires who extend from one family, and who keep it within the family.
It is possible to join the family through marriage.

>>97294076
Their clan structure is that they're a sort of normal mob/rich people family, but all of the higher up family members are ghouled by the vampires. So in a lot of ways, they're actually kind of like a sept/tribe of Garou.

>>97294120
An independent PC Giovanni would probably behave like that, they got vamp'd learned their shit, and then told them to fuck off. Though I'm pretty sure this means you'll get hunted down

>>97294130
>It is possible to join the family through marriage.
>Marcella steadily grooms Flynn the Imbued, turning her little would-be hunter into the perfect little tool she and her family can use, and when the time is right, seeks to woo him into the family.
>>97294139
Makes me wonder what a Giovanni Caitiff would be like. Would the family search them out to embrace them into the fold, or to murder them outright?

>>97294145
>Would the family search them out to embrace them into the fold, or to murder them outright?
Depends on the whims of the local elder (probably a moody old woman).

>No posh Dunsirn babe to attend Elysium with
:(

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>>97294169
>neonate anon, stop lusting after our clan's girls or i'll shove a dozen spectres up your ass

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>>97294180
>or i'll shove a dozen spectres up your ass
Hey now, don’t threaten me with a good time.

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>>97294204
>we have already set up a nice political marriage for you
>you'll never guess her clan

>>97294216
Time to join the Sabbat.

>>97294216
This is Brock's mother.

>>97294145
Giovanni lose their power if their necromancy gets out of their clan so it'd be like a permanent blood hunt I imagine. Maybe at some point you kill enough Giovanni (doubt it, it's a huge family) that they call it off, like a John Wick movie.

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What’s her Tribe?

>>97294232
100% Bonegnawer

>>97294232
>>97294242
Counter-point, Mexican Fianna

>>97294232
50% bone gnawer
20% ratkin
70% manure

Who would win in a fight.
Once Methusalah ranked Tremere.
Or.
One T-60 Soviet Light Tank armed with a rapid firing 20mm Autocannon fed with High Explosive Incendiary Tracer shells?

>>97294462
A tremere ancilla could handle one with a bit of prep

Can a DA Hermetic shut down someone's avatar like the black hand mages do?

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What Discipline would allow supernaturally high/long jumps?

>>97294462
I think literally every faction within WoD has a way to disable technology. A tank isn't doing shit unless it's silent and invisible AND smells like its environment at all times.

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>>97294462
That tank is now a heavy paperweight.

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>>97294641
Get yourself Leaps and Bounds or a similar combo discipline and jump as much as you want.
Though the champions of jumping and leaping are Changelings.

>>97295148
>Heh, it's unfortunate that we're in a white room, because that means my Tremere has access to exactly the perfect Thaumaturgy path for every situation at every point in time. Checkmate.

>>97295175
If you had a more detailed scenario in mind you should probably specify.

>>97295204
I'm not that guy. The premise is full of holes anyway, as Tremere methuselahs don't exist. The closest that you can get are fourth and fifth generation Tremere and even then, most of them are likely so old and out of touch that "how the fuck do they know the Path of Technomancy" is a valid question.

>>97295175
I mean...that path is known to the Inner Circle, which a Tremere Methuselah is definitely in. They even put it into the general Grimores of the Tremere.
It's not even a higher dot power, Dot 2.
Plus that kind of question is already white room. Why is a Tremere Methuselah is facing a soviet tank specifically armed with Incendiary shells?

>>97295279
When in doubt, quantum Second Inquisition

>>97291941
I recently finished a pretty lengthy HtR campaign and found edges to be highly satisfying for my players, especially since many of them can be used as an unexpected "fuck you" card to foil the supernaturals' plans or unexpectedly find a way to get an upper hand over them. I can definitely recommend the game and will certainly be running more of it in the future, it has quickly became one of my favourites in WoD repertoire in terms of concepts, stories and overall vibe.
That being said, I found that some players had a bit of a hard time wrapping their heads around some of the more vague or abstract concepts, like for example the idea behind some of the creeds, how exactly burning conviction works or what the triggers for their edges are supposed to be.

>>97295163
Do you have disciplines from Requiem as well?

Guys, look out behind you!
It's a Malkavian, and she's doing The Twist!

>>97295791
It's a what doing what? Anon, I think you may have gone insane.

>>97295791
I'm not falling for that again. The last time I looked at a Malkavian dancing every single colour became inverted for the next 8 days and sounds worked in reverse for a while.

>>97294232
Actual answer is Uktena.

Are there any examples of an interesting Gangrel that isn't some variation of hobo? They feel like they're only ever included to get clowned on by everyone else.

>>97294462
>>97295148
How many Paths can Tremere take for Thaumaturgy?

>>97295855
the most iconic character of vtm

>>97295855
>They feel like they're only ever included to get clowned on by everyone else.
What gave you this impression? Is this how the storyteller used them in all of the chronicles that you've played?

>>97295855
There's nothing wrong with being a hobo. Beckett was basically a freelance archeologist/scholar and still a hobo since he was a wandering vagrant .
I think maybe the sections on city Gangrel would give you some more insight, but off the top of my head there's at least a group of castle-dwelling Gangrel who breed ghoul dogs to go Garou hunting.

>>97295277
Only about a thousand or so, less decrepit than the Vampires from ancient Egypt.

>>97295875
Rudi is pretty good. Characters like him make me hopeful for what Paradox can do if they stop restraining themselves.

How do you do Garou in a place like Illinois, where everything is either farmland or urban blight? Like sure, BG and GW are easy to slot in anywhere, but it feels very much not-Werewolf.

>>97295974
Either don't werewolf in that setting or do confederates, farmland should mostly be werewolf country except for Gangrels and the more industrial farms. Could also just say that the 12000ish Garou is a silly number and just add more. It also has Chicago, one of the most iconic WoD cities in terms of books.

>>97295869
All of them. Outside of a few specific Disciplines, there's no reason for a Tremere to even want to take Disciplines over new paths as Paths are cheaper & almost always a better choice.

>>97295974
Just make stuff up

>>97295974
Garou don't seem to need much actual Wyld space, or even privacy, to operate. If city parks are big enough to hold large multi-tribal caerns, a small wooded area between croplands will do just as well. I'm also of the opinion that a non-insignificant number of Garou operate outside of sept territory and without caerns of their own. Their stories are different than the typical attrition and defense, more eternal wanderers and murderhobos.

>>97296138
>imagine a bunch of poorly dressed angry people meeting up in a city park and turning into dogs
Surely it would be in the news in a place like NYC?

>>97296146
You say that as if that's the strangest thing you'll come across in NYC at night.

>>97296157
I guess I'd never make it to the park anyway, and I should be thankful the dog people are just there to fuck, wrestle, and larp instead of doing crack and threatening to take my Wyrmbux.

>>97295974
>Desperate efforts to protect the remaining forests in southern Illinois from further encroachment by farmland.
>Sabotaging egregious corn and basedbean producers that overuses pesticides and wreck floral diversity with monocultures.
>Liberating livestock from factory farms with inhumane practices which are sustained solely by the aforementioned monocultures.
>Especially targeting the facilities mentioned above ran by Pentex subsidiaries or other Wyrm-influenced entities.
>Trying to promote rewilding efforts and in many cases, engaging in them illegally and converting farmland back into prairies.
>Preventing a pack of bitter Wendigo with Illiniwek heritage from going buck wild and killing tourists and archaeologists at the Cahokia Mounds for desecrating the home of their ancestors.

>>97296232
>Preventing a pack of bitter Wendigo with Illiniwek heritage from going buck wild and killing tourists
Why would you want to do that? That's Gaia's work.
t. Red Talon

>>97296232
Id read that story.

Does WoD have any novels or books to read? I want to get immensed in the world since I can't play.

>>97296255
Quite a few. The best WtA novel I've read is Breathe Deeply, which sadly might be the only one you won't be able to find in a digital format. Most of the splat books contain some short story, and there's a couple books that are just anthologies such as Drums Around the Fire.

>>97296245
Red Talon bro, some of us actually enjoy society. Maybe if you actually ate some human cooked food for once instead of raw deer you'd get some perspective.

>>97296348
>might be the only one you won't find in a digital format
Why's that?
Kind of sad though. Generally, I do find a lot of the novels and short story circumstances in the books depressing though. The old writers must have really had it out for happy endings but that contributes a lot to the atmosphere.
The new guys are more or less the same, but I suppose there's a difference between being a dedicated sympathy target because life sucks and the old method of being someone trying really hard to not get ground into dust by the gears of the setting and failing.

>>97296245
>Weaver gets upset and decides to build a new walmart as revenge
Gee, I don't know...

>>97291633
>>97291660
I hope the Big D Fraud meme gets big enough that they have to acknowledge it. Like how they almost broke the fourth wall to address how sus Occam was when they didn't intend for him to be suspicious at all.

>>97296390
Walmart is Wyrm. We all know Best Buy is the Weaver brand. Probably infested with Glass Walkers too, the whipped dogs that they are.

>>97296395
>broke the fourth wall to address how sus Occam was
When did that happen? I would think the writers are aware D needs to actually do something instead of letting Door come off as the most competent one in the room, given the foreshadowing in 5.3 and Markus getting kidnapped (more than likely D's fault if were to talk about him failing to teach Markus magic and its consequences).

My HtR ST ports monsters directly from other splats.

How fucked are we?

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Any advice on making nosferatu elders interesting?

>>97296461
depends on how much they hate you.

>>97296461
Could easily handle most of what's thrown at you except the high tier stuff. Just have to know.

>>97296461
depends on how good you are at making bombs

>>97296489
Doesn't hate us, but LOVES woofs

>>97296541
Start considering silver and plastic explosives

>>97296479
When you say interesting, what exactly are you looking for? Roleplaying tips? Visual aesthetics? Interesting Elder flexes with their powers?

>>97296541
>>97296563
>imports monsters from WtA
More like start making fragmentation bombs and IEDs because you're going to be fighting combat mechas and fomori when you track a wolf into a Pentex raid gone wrong.

>>97296636
>Implying he won't be helping the First Team
Ngmi

>>97296698
>Hunters should be helping a bunch of Fomori, actually
fascinating, tell me more

>>97296713
Think about it like this: giant murderous dog is trying to attack some industrial facility. Your hunter has a choice, he can help the "people" being attacked (assuming he doesn't run into a fomor right away) because he can or maybe he wants some gear in return or he can fight that seurity force AND the woof. Or he can be a based wyrm-tainted hunter, that also works.

>>97296698
>>97296755
>Go into the facility trying to help out the inhabitants
>See a wolfman get sent flying 20 yards by a tar monster
>Immediately see if you shit your pants or get horny or get murderous
>Still shoot the wolves
>Somehow think Pentex wagie-drones and literal rape demons won't think you've seen too much and either rape you into compliance or kill you
This is the mind of the Wyrmfag at work.
>>97296713
To be fair, you are stuck between a xenophobic rock that shut it's brain down to murder for Gaia and a rapist hard place made of tar and industrial machinery that will probably kill you or corrupt you into being a fellow rape-murderer for profit. The Fomori is actually the slightly more reasonable choice sometimes if they get tard wranglers. Meanwhile with the woofs, you have to pray they don't have any Red Talons or human haters.

I feel like WoD5 would actually be really good for Changeling. Fuck-you dice and "the world already ended, no hope" are the kind of edgelordery that you NEED to counterbalance the furry bullshit, and they're the things that new Changeling groups always fuck up,and then they wonder why everything feels so twee and easy.

>>97296407
Episode 5.0, after our characters split up again, the chained to the wall trio ask D and Remold why the hell Occam isn't under suspicion and the two drop their beef to explain why Occam couldn't possibly be the mole. The way it was worded felt very artificial, like the writer was talking at you through the characters. It was made worse by the fact it didn't really address the root of why many people thought Occam was suspicious as all hell. They were saying how he definitely wouldn't have been embraced because his power comes from the sun (the entire logical line of them assuming the mole was a vampire after fatigue got mulched annoyed me immensely), how he could've already stolen the data (D and co were being dumbasses to assume that the data had to be physically stolen rather than just copied) if he were the mole, stuff like that. The real sus stuff Occam did was left largely unaddressed, though him missing bruises from the choking in the final scene of 4.0 was apparently an animation error.

And while I'd be inclined to agree that they must be aware of Big D's fraudulent behavior, that hasn't stopped them from continuing to give him L after L after L. People were questioning his competency back during the Chapman interview. I'm beginning to think him being a fraud is intentional.

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>>97295738
No idea, never played or read Requiem
>>97296479
Lean into Wrestling/Brawling Nosferatu Elders. When someone bust in, expecting a stealth focused, ambush predator, show the Nosferatu Elder piledriving a car into their group from the rooftops.

>>97296948
>Fuck-you dice and "the world already ended, no hope"
Both of these are already covered by how banality is handled in the mechanics and lore, you could probably even turn dreamers into a touchstone mechanic.

>>97297030
I agree that Elder Nossies should be tanks

>>97296948
Not really. I made this argument for Wraith before but changeling is innately already a case of limited time and fighting against encroaching banality. It doesn't need extra dice to get fucked, it doesn't need more failure conditions, and your abilities already have a tendency to backfire on you. Not to say it could be slightly edgier, but changeling is just more whimsical by nature and that's fine. Would you rather Mummy be some grimdark woe is me shit too?

>>97296619
I am looking for good gimmicks and long terms projects.

>>97296967
I feel like D has plenty of social wins (Kevin, Chapman, Blacklaw and Occam slightly less so) but the Fraud allegations regarding actually combatting the supernatural is very real. I feel like it's becoming more apparent as he's been overshadowed by Blacklaw, Door, Kitten and Markus somewhat, though also there haven't actually been many hunts they were prepared for. I can somewhat excuse Kevin as maybe some type of shit D was pulling to prepare them better, but between Pyotr and Burgerman it very much seems like Door is much better prepared to deal with random spooks at all times compared to D. I hope we at least get an explanation. As for the Occam stuff, yeah it does sound a but forced but I never really considered him to be particularly suspicious given it wouldn't be a simple explanation, and with the name Occam I guess it's a bit on the nose, but yeah sun sorcery was some bullshit. It's their OC though, so maybe it resists ghouls. It would be extra funny if Occam wasn't a sorcerer but a Mage instead, and he's using the arcanum to further his own research. Seems plausible, given how relatively tied to the book lore they are though this would be overly complex.

>>97297183
>spoiler
i think that's actually the thing
guy has unique sunlight path that never showed up anywhere but could be done with forces (and maybe spirit if you are in m20), a box with the sigh of the correspondence sphere on it that teleports always just outside of people's sight which he also refused to explain how it works even to other characters who know sorcery and the glasses that let you see hunter sight "just stopped working for him one day"

>>97297179
>Good gimmicks

Off the top of my head...
>Cleopatra embraced back in the day, has mastered Obfuscate to such a degree that they constantly use and abuse it, almost never taking it off. They've been so ugly for so long that they cannot accurately conceptualize beauty, all of their personas just barely graze the uncanny valley. Too perfect. Look like weird amalgamations of famous attractive people. Rapidly isolating themselves from their clan and making the Prince worried about Masquerade violations as they try to brute force themselves back into the limelight via obfuscate.

>Has had the same dog since before their embrace. Kept the creature ghouled constantly, arguably the one thing keeping them from spiraling into wightdom. After centuries upon centuries of drinking vitae, the dog dwarfs a great dane, with thick and shaggy fur and massive teeth. Incredibly aggressive to everyone but its master, whom the dog still acts like a puppy around.

>An early example of the Nosferatu using new technology to make their unlives less shit, this Elder considers themselves a futurist, but since they are so old, they largely do so with a lack of comprehension of new technology. It's not that they're an idiot that think the computer is a magic box, but that they get caught up in hype and can't look at things objectively. Think something along the lines of "actually believes LLMs are real AI".

>>97297179
>guy who been collecting secrets and lore for centuries and now wants to digitalize it

>elder who leans heavily into animalism and leans heavily into the whole mushroom garden and giant ghoul pets angle that is in the clan books but very underrepresented outside of it. he wants players to get more and more specimen for his hobby. stuff like albino crocodiles and shit like that

>girl who is rumored to be medusa, but in reality is just reallly amazing when it comes to making stone sculptures with potence

>>97297183
>As for the Occam stuff, yeah it does sound a but forced but I never really considered him to be particularly suspicious

See he was screaming suspicious as all hell to me from the word go and I still think that if he doesn't have an ulterior motive, he should be on as much Fraud Watch as D. If I may.
>Initiated the lockdown while Door and Boy were still outside, cutting them out of the investigation.
>Has a ritual that will determine who the vampire is. Refuses to do it in front of anyone, we are left to assume that he was just going to walk out of the archive, point at someone, say "they're the ghoul", and everyone would just take his word for it.
>Locked himself in with the data, again where nobody could watch him do something with it like say, make a copy.
>Is an emotional blind spot for both D and Remold.
then in the following episode
>Advocates for another split up despite the monster only attacking when people are isolated.
>Left cripple Marckus alone in the Archives, which he now knows can be snuck into, because the monster "probably wouldn't come here now that the data is missing"
>Immediately tries to drive a wedge between Kitten and the rest of the Hunters in the middle of an active crisis situation

The last one is especially egregious. That's a classic twist villain move. As for your theory, I really fucking hope not because SpeakerD is a raging magefag and they are the worst people to be including mage stuff in a cross-splat story, because they can't not make everything revolve around mage the picosecond it comes up. Also I don't think we need another new full splat injected now of all times given how much the werewolf stuff showing up has congested the plot.

>>97297340
>spoiler
While I'm against introducting magefaggotry Occam was giving off mage vibes. If they're gonna make him a mage I hope they'll do something interesting.

>>97290774
>namedrops half of the biggest supernatural powerplayers and several Garou tribes in that schizo pyramid alone
How is this man not dead yet.

>>97297255
>characters who know sorcery
Pretty much only Markus is somewhat versed in it and (barely) D who mentions he isn't enthused by it. I think it's likely but I'd hope it not be the case. People would be screaming Kino though.
>>97297340
That's a fair assessment though on the Door and Boy part that was more D and sour if the moment. I never saw it from this point of view and you might be right, it I also know everyone there trusts Occam and sorcerers in setting are pretty autistic about keeping secrets. I'm seeing more and more of your point over the way Occam is behaving though importantly that happens in 5 after they say why he is innocent, so it could be a way to throw suspicion off him organically while doubling down on foreshadowing that he might be lying about it. I also do not think Occam is a villain, since he seems mostly to care more or less about the lives of the people he's working with.
>spoiler
Yes I know about that. To be fair, I don't think we're immediately jumping into Mage shenanigans even if Markus awakens, I think it's more likely arc 3 is more vampire tomfoolery with a smaller focus on Wyrm stuff.
These are legitimate concerns about the show though, I won't deny that. I'd go as far as to say it wouldn't actually be a huge issue if we had monthly releases instead of the weird schedule we have now. I hope we're both wrong.
>>97297371
Yeah the more I think about it the more likely it is to happen, though I expect it'll be something kept away from D and the main focus for a significant portion of time. Largely, and I think what is likely,
Markus will awaken because it's incredibly obvious as a Magnus parody and then Occam will try to take him under his wing before Markus fucks everything up around arc 4 or 5 and we get into the Nephandi shit Pentex and the Regent are definitely in bed with

>>97297500
Probably one of those things were because he's wrong about somethings and right about others he's ignored by society enough to not be a problem. Or he's in on it

>>97297500
Any serious person thinks he's a shizo. Think about like Alex Jones, everyone looks at him like a clow but he may get 1/100 things right except nobody not in the know will notice that one thing. He's also working with less people and they're probably not as compromised as the SAD.

>>97296541
Do not look under your couch when you get back from hunting. There will probably be a bane under there.

>>97296713
Yeah, we all know that a real hunter would be working with a drone

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>>97297262
>Has had the same dog since before their embrace. Kept the creature ghouled constantly, arguably the one thing keeping them from spiraling into wightdom. After centuries upon centuries of drinking vitae, the dog dwarfs a great dane, with thick and shaggy fur and massive teeth. Incredibly aggressive to everyone but its master, whom the dog still acts like a puppy around.
The Girl from Clifford was a nosferat all along.

>>97297515
You know the phrase "You go to war with the army you have"? I would raise "You build a story around the release schedule you have". They've had this problem for a while now, but they're doubling down on the writing choices that make these things problems rather than try to move away from them and alleviate them. Magoid or just an OC Sorcerer, Occam comes off as incredibly shady to me, but everything else would indicate, sometimes heavy-handedly, that we're supposed to like him. So, it felt patronizing and annoying when D and Remold's "debunking" didn't even attack the real things that made him seem off.

Putting all that aside, when you mention future arcs, I think it begs the ultimate question about this series long-term. Are they actually going to swing an oWoD full cross-splat story? Because in my experience, it's next to impossible to pull that one off. I don't think I've ever met someone IRL who likes all of oWoD, or even most of it. It's why the books pussyfoot around it so much. Everyone likes the idea, few people like it in practice. While just writing a story can let you handwave a lot of the mechanical issues, you still have to deal with wildly clashing tones, themes, powersets, and so many supernatural conspiracies that it strains suspension of disbelief. I'm really not sure it's possible, especially when they started out with low-level hunters fighting bush league Sabbat. It's a pretty big adjustment to make on the fly, and as mentioned earlier, everyone has their biases. A few of my friends have basically fallen off the series this arc due to a mix of not liking WtA and the slow updates.

>>97297564
What the fuck, that's not Emily Elizabeth

>>97297684
I heavily assume that it's just going to be the big 3 lore + a Hunter plotline, and maybe a bit of dipping into changeling or the other ones, but who knows yeah. I hope they sort of realize keeping it Vampire centric is the best idea for a while and then working on something else. I also know they don't want to be the WoD group, so them working on two other IPs is a bit weird considering how slow this one is. Idk though, I don't know them personally. Anyway,
>full cross-splatting
It would certainly be hard to do. I think I could write a couple of good ones but ultimately they need to happen from someone's perspective otherwise you just get diluted schizophrenia

>>97296461
Go to a museum and find an old tank.

>>97296372
>>97296255
Got any recommendations for Changeling, Mage, and Vampire short stories?

>>97297747
Tanks suck unless you can blast your target from a distance. Heavy machineguns are better since they're more portable and can be mounted on a car.

so part of the htr metaplot is that the giovanni figure out how to control zombies (not zombu created with necromancy but corpses possessed by shards of wraiths) as one is having beef with one of the hunternet posters over him killing a group of shamblers

and i was talking with a friend and we been wondering wouldn't dominate just work on these?

>>97297769
Dominate doesn't normally work on ghosts, does it? So I don't think it would.

What if clan giovanni is being puppeteered by wraiths using their several busted mindrape powers instead of the other way around?

>>97297684
>Are they actually going to swing an oWoD full cross-splat story?
I think that's exactly what they're going for and they're using hunter as a way to do that. Some would say that we already got mage in the form of that pentex dude (potential nephandi). It's only a matter of time untill we get to wraiths and changelings and maybe even demons.

>>97297822
Not sure why people are wondering about it because the horse directly prophesies about 'Kine, Kindred, Garou, Milklings, Elohim' so I'd expect Changelings and Demons to show up at some point, at least.
Maybe mage if they're really going full cross-splat, though I could also see them keeping it to the wizard game for that one.

>>97297769
the giovanni revised clan book talks about necromancy and the malestrom and mentions the shambler and true risen divide same as in htr (although it's missing the inbetween step of the walker) on pg 56 and it also mentions that only the bone path somewhat works on risen and all other necromancy doesn't and that the mass raising of risen is a serious problem for the giovanni at the time of writing

>The bad news is, the Risen can kick your ass. The worse news is, there’s a lot more of ’em around in the modern nights than there use to be.

>Worst of all, standard Necromancy doesn’t work on them nearly as well. The Bone Path has some effect, but nothing spectacular unless you really know what you’re doing. The standard compulsion shtick does not work at all. If you’re real nice to Diego, or his buddy Paolo, they might lend you a devil stick or teach you some rituals that can help a little. But frankly, if you have a problem with the walking dead, you need a lot of help.

so giovanni learning to control risen at mass would be a major breakthough at the moment


>>97297781
mental Disciplines usually work on risen! but again the giovanni revised book mentions that they don't work on most shamblers because they aren't self aware enough

>Note that mental Disciplines work on only the most aware of these creatures. Most shamblers are unaffected by mental Disciplines — or, indeed, any
mental coercion — at all. Shamblers do not suffer any penalties due to wounds

>>97297718
>big 3 lore + a Hunter plotline

I think this is the fatal mistake most people make in oWoD cross-splat. I say this as someone who is mostly a vampfag, if you wanna do oWoD cross-splat, cut Vampire. It may have been made first, it may be the most popular oWoD splat bar none, but it's also the most divorced from the other WoD IPs. It's just a fact, Vampire feels like a different setting from Mage-Werewolf.

>>97297822
Oh, I have no doubt that's their intent. When I say "swing an oWoD full cross-splat story" I mean will they actually pull it off? Personally, I don't think such a thing is possible. Especially from a Hunter's PoV, because it'll inevitably turn into getting lectured about why reality is broken by a pseud with the powers of a God while you can't really do anything about it.

>>97297845
Well, I hope they unmake some gay fairy by giving it an in-depth talk about the wonders of accounting

>>97297845
Thinking about it, the real thing out of left field would be for the Pentex guy to be a Sevartal or something.

>>97297822
>>97297845
Perhaps using Kine, referring to Wraiths, humans, and mages, who are very much just human souls entirely, covers the rest? Just my interpretation.

>>97297897
I think their execution will be a bit half-asses with a lot of homebrew to make it work but it's won't be that bad either. Hunter is good for fun but making it lore-orientated is meh, hunters are fun precisely because they don't know what's going on behind the scenes and every splat has a different view on how reality works. I have hope but I'm not expecting it to be some masterpiece (why the fuck would you include the coalition from V5?)

>>97297936
I think part of their problem is they also have to make it an introduction into the setting and for the characters, so they're sort of forced into having some lore exposition.
>Why include the V5 coalition
They're chiefly adapting WoD5, which is why the hunt gang doesn't contain any jobbers as of yet and it takes place during 2006 iirc. Not really an excuse but I assume they know enough about what fans think of V5. I can only hope that their interpretation isn't the same type of retardation, the coalition itself isn't fundamentally bad but it's making them omnipresent spooks that makes them bad.
>not expecting some masterpiece
I'm not even expecting a Pyotr again, damn was the first arc strong.

>>97295883
>castle-dwelling Gangrel who breed ghoul dogs to go Garou hunting
Wait this sounds cool as fuck. Where can I read about this?

>>97297910
I want him to be a Ferectoi, mostly because I hate Miggers and want them to die. Secondarily because Ferectoi are cool. The cellphone could easily just be a wyrmshitter fetish.

>>97297936
>why the fuck would you include the coalition from V5?)
While the Dark Pack agreement lets you adapt any version you want and monetize it (as long as it isn't vidya or like, merch), even nWoD/CofD which Paradox despises, said agreement also withholds the legal right to change these terms for any reason with only a month's notice. They got burned by Games Workshop and 40k so they gotta suck Paradox's cock to future proof the series.

I still think it was the wrong thing to include, since there being a huge SI coalition in 2006 (and the term SI coming from Kevin, a street-level Tremere, in a game set before the booming of Vienna) doesn't even fit into V5's timeline very well. They might honestly be making up more as they go along than most viewers assume and tried to course-correct from all the SI hate to make them Pentex/Elder Vampire cocksleeves.

>>97297996
There's been way too much stuff that W5 cut for it to be pure WoD5. It's a weird mishmash.

>>97298053
>Too much stuff that W5 cut
Such as? We haven't actually gotten the full Werewolf loredrop the same way we didn't get the full Vampire lore and out experience with Werewolves in the show was just Matilda and Fatty-gue's miniarc.
>>97298003
Lore of Clans Gangrel if I remember correctly.

>>97298053
>As long as it isn't Vidya
>As long as it isn't Vidya
Fuck Paradox for this, honestly. Was this before the Wraith game came out or Vamp Justice? Those are not using V5 iirc. You're probably on the nose about their plans for the SI though, at least I hope so. Pretty much everyone dislikes those aspects of V5.

>>97298102
the prince of darkness guys talked about that way back

if your splat has no wod 5 version you can do whatever even for games and they are double in the clear because they are a mod and there is no dark age wod 5 setting yet

>>97298116
So technically, as long as, if I were a hypothetical Magefag, pump out a Mage indie game and it's completely in the clear?
I suppose I can always just un-WoD it if I ever get spooked

>>97297753
One of the Mage anthologies, Truth Beyond paradox, is in the MEGA. it's pretty good, imo. I especially liked the story about the Dreamspeaker in Boston.

>>97298075
Pentex isn't a shadowy holding company, they're everywhere and stupid loud about it. Nastrum and O'Tolleys are OG werewolf mentions, they didn't get mentioned in W5. D referenced the Rokea way back in his 99p adventure, and again brought up Werecats in the werewolf lore adventure. Most Fera have been absent from W5 so far, though W5 does seem to be doing the V5 strategy of "cut everything in the core book, then slowly add it back nickel and dime over the course of several years" again. Still, Rokea remain absent and the Bastet's existence has only ever been implied in W5.

>>97298102
What the other Anon said, you can get away with it if there's no WoD5 equivalent, also you gotta negotiate with Paradox directly to make any vidya that isn't an Itch.IO only tiny indie game.

>>97298130
as far as i know yes and it's not like they made that one mediocre werewolf game change it's lore to be w5 compliant after the book came out but as mentioned here >>97298053 paradox has the rights to change any of this with only a months notice

>>97298149
Ah I see your point about W5 now, yeah.
>Have to negotiate with Paradox directly
Christ that would be so cringe.

>>97298149
>"cut everything in the core book, then slowly add it back nickel and dime over the course of several years"
That's Paradox for you.

>>97298149
I get the feeling that when it comes to W5 stuff, they're going with the W5 interpretation of the clans and probably no Kinfolk or metis too. They're not directly contradicting anything in W5, they're just fleshing out a lot of the holes, mainly Pentex stuff, with old material.

>>97298198
>no Metis or kinfolk
If one wanted to get very technical the lack of Kinfolk can be reasoned as the Garou nation collapsing causing a fragmentation of werewolf families so that Kinfolk aren't really told they're kinfolk and werewolves have no idea. This'll probably cause a die off in the long run since they're basically not making any more werewolves under this interpretation. Metis are fully gone however. This interpretation, along with all the W5 changes, are cringe anyway.
There goes all the theories about Kitten being a kinfolk for Bastet.

>>97298306
>There goes all the theories about Kitten being a kinfolk for Bastet.
I think there's a case that every memeber of the senpai is tied to some splat in one way or the other.

>>97297183
>I feel like D has plenty of social wins

Which is funny. He's depicted as a stupidly knowledgable and outrageously fit person that's such a weirdo he can barely function (can't hold down a relationship or a job, multiple characters call him weird or find him annoying, strained relationship with many of his kids) but all his wins are social. But for knowledge and physical acumen he jobs.

>>97298493
Yes that is very crazy, the muscle knowledgeable hunter is the only guy who's made any inroads socializing while the jack of all trades has only tried to bait and get people mad and the "nice" hunter is the only one who's killed any vampires.