Colorless Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97293516 >TQFave colorless card?
>tqToo many to name, but Walking Ballista is definitely up there
I fucking love this thing
Will Lorwyn save Magic anons?
>>97300892ELDRAZI IN STANDARD WHENGIVE ELDRAZI PLEASEEE
shit op
I'm realy not feeling UR flamekin
What's the best yuri mtg ship? Chandra x Nissa? Val x Trelasarra?
I hecking love women, bros
>>97301215What's wrong with it?
Is the anon who wanted a 2 toughness 1 drop faerie for pauper doing alright? These leaks look grim.
>8-mana convoke for a one-sided Patriarch's BiddingAside from the generic tribal damage-doubler, this is probably the best the insect deck is going to get from this set. Could be the alt. wincon I need to get back an Altanak, a Huskburster and some other bugs. Certainly a lot easier to get out than Overlord of the Mistmoor. Not sure what insects I should run though. If I splash red I could build around Biotech Specialist and have more of a reason to run Chitin Gravestalker, but if I splash blue I can run Genemorph Imago which can run away with the game if I live long enough to get enough lands out. Splashing both colors will probably cause problems, but it's a lot easier to work around than Mistmoor's double white mana, plus I could actually make use of Secluded Courtyard (I'm not paying $160 for Cavern of Souls) and Fabled Passage would synergize with Icetill Explorer.
>>97301219I didn't read the lore. What happened to the fucking fiery coal skeletons? Those were cool.
-1/-1 counter in lorwyn-1/-1 counter ins Lorwyn-1/-1 counter in LORWYN-1/-1 COUNTERS IN LORWYN
>>97301254the point is that it's both of them
>>97301247Most of them suppressed their emotions after the war turning into Rimekin.
>>97301247The clay skeletons happen when a Flamekin goes into a depressive spiral.Not much time to be depressed when giant metal skeleton monsters are trying to kill you. Every cinder either died miserably or got over their hangups when the war came.
>>97301254Lorwyn ECLIPSED retard. Eclipsed by WHAT. Tell me, eclipsed by WHAT.
>>97301220We do not objectify women around here.
>>97301289By slop, feminism trash and universes beyond.
>>97301232cum and turd slop pic
>>97301325You can still play it in vintage and legacy if you're crazy enough.
is it me or do all cards besides spell snare and fatal push 0.5 look kinda meh
>White Lorwyn cards are all shitPOWERFUL WHITECARDSGavin Kikey has done it again!
>>97301342I mean, that is fairly normal of all new sets at the moment - we get one or two cards that are absolutely busted and the rest of the set goes straight into the trashcan.
>>97301342That's what we get for the 2nd chat GPT designed set (SPM was the first one)
>>97301342The in universe sets were watered down in the power level department for a while now.
>>97301238cool idea but absolutely unplayable, this is just 3 mana to burn your opponent for 3 and let them tutor for a wincon or answerthe only decks that wouldn't have an answer are ones like rdw, where you don't want to play a do nothing card that helps kill you
>>97301342Oh no, the powercreep has slowed down. How fucking horrible.
>>97301342The power creep is only for UB sets. They were designed as straight to modern sets but changed their minds.
>>97300920i love the lore behind it. urza and mishra are eternally based.
>>97301388This. JOTC is intentionally depowering the actual Magic sets while powercreeping all the UB sets. Vivi warped standard and now Fagatar is doing the same. After they eventually ban the lesson deck either TMNT or Marble Super Kikes is going to break standard again.Can’t really have these investment sets be seen as low powered or it might make kikes look bad fo their contract holders.
>>97301441
>>97300892Emmy-chan!
>>97301442You know there's other card games, right? Clearly you are more upset than I was when I started playing other games. I highly recommend it.
>>97301421>UB sets are pushed>real sets are underpowered to "curb powercreep">nobody plays real cards in tournaments anymore
>>97301342You don’t understand anonUW is now suplemental but you can expect UB to actually be game warping material. Elfs and Elementals? SHITBut Picard? You better be ready to put 4 copies in any deck you are doing with his assigned colors.
>>97301416put it in bw and use aven mindcensor or use ashiok to lock them. opposition agent or stranglehold can lock them as well.
>>97301462No. I'm almost enjoying my anger.
>>97301477Ashiok wouldn't work, you control aria. Mindcensor is decent I suppose.
You're afraid to say criticism outside of 4chan because you know you'll be eaten alive and make yourself a target to plebbit contrarians and wotc shills.
>>97301502I say the same i say here at my LGS and on plebbit and I don’t fucking care what shills and coonsomers say because I know I’m right.The slop dude was a trending because we all know where this game is going.
>>97301502Why would that bother you?
>>97301494you don't opposition agent would work? you could make them draw lands forever and could cast their deck while doing it. stranglehold is expensive, but a good lock.either way, if they no cards in hand and since black is good at discard, it would be a lock.
>>97301462>Oy vey goyim eat the slop or go play other gamesGet back in the oven
>>97301267>Flamekin had to be UR>Because Goblins had to be BR>Because giants had to be GRI assume this means no Noggles. SHIT set.
>>97301416It's commander bait meant to be run alongside shit that blocks library searching
i enjoy universe beyond sets what that says about me?
>>97301523Noggles are showing up. Just not as an archetype of their own.
>>97301520oppo agent, the rack, urza's saga, thoughseize, iok, fatal push and maybe a few other cards to round it out. could go bw with aven mindcensor and enlightened tutor.
>>97301515Just checking.I don't like when people say one thing but then cave in to social pressure and hierarchies.Goes the other way, too.All the "people" calling others chuds or idiots or bigots or saying mentally deficient non-sequiturs, don't say that shit irl because they know they can't get away with it irl without having a genuine spergout.>>97301511What kind of reactions do you get?
>>97301527Hufflepuff
>>97301523Noggles are already confirmed
>>97301527You are a pig but don’t worry you are not alone.
>>97301502Well first of all I would need a reddit account.
>>97301421Powercreep aside the set just looks boring. Blight might provide some decent limited gameplay but in constructed it's either going to see play with obvious thing to put counters all or none at all. Sticking evoke only on mythics in the safest way possible is a crime.
>>97301593>not having a r*ddit accountnow that's fucking based
>>97301527Worse than a pig
Me? I have a reddit account.
>>97301601
Ok everyone, remember for this thread you are only allowed to mention Jews if you are giving them compliments about how smart and charitable they are. Be thankful for Jews of the Coast and the 4 sets of UB this year because you got everything you asked for with Lorwyn.
what?
Love womenLove jewssimple as
> long nosed tree in a swimming pool with childrenwill wotc cool it down with the anti semitism?
>>97301594>Sticking evoke only on mythics in the safest way possible is a crime.They finally started designing around the fact that people will try to cheat out big bombs, and you're complaining about it? Were you also cheering while FIRE burned down the game?
treefolk stole my bark
>>97301342A changeling tribal set was never going to be anything but the mother of all EDH bait sets. Redditors need upvotes for their heckin floofer kindred decks.
>>97301342You guys always say this and then some shit breaks multiple formats. Half the threads were crying about how TLA was underpowered except for firebending lol.
>>97301749This. /tg/ is notoriously bad at evaluating set power level.
>>97301749retards here huff so much of that contrarianism they would disagree if anyone claimed humans breathe air.
>>97301717Yes you're right, Mulldrifter, Shriekmaw and Reveillark absolutely broke the game back in the day and the entire evoke mechanic should pay for MH2's crimes.
>>97301944>Mulldrifter, Shriekmaw and Reveillark absolutely broke the game back in the dayYES you fucking retard Lorwyn was one of the single most gamebreaking sets ever printed
>>97301522Yeah complaining online and still buying product is soooo much better. I am literally advocating for consuming less slop retard
>>97301706oh shit no! the art style is actually kinda fun...please go back to making things lame and gay so I can ignore the set
>>97302042>Implying I buy slopNice try kike, I don’t fall for your psyops, retard
Yeah, i'm just-- NOT GONNA BUY IT!What are they gonna do, force my bank to transfer the money to deliver a case to my house?I HAVE NO MONEY!
This guy is begging for an infinite combo.
hehe...jews...
>>97302181I honestly don't see it.
>>97302181>it's a normal Clone but has convoke and changelingWhy do you think this is any more breakable than the usual?
>>97302181Is it?
lol, I'm having flashbacks of these guys
i really want to do a mimic deck
>>97302235New Oko seems like he'll go crazy in Moritte
>>97301959Retard. UB faeries dominated standard until volcanic fallout got printed. Reflecting pool interacted with the vivid lands in a way that created an obnoxious 5c pile deck. The evoke elementals only saw modest amount of play.
Not seeing very many goonable cards in the spoilers...
Finally got my eight mana doubler for my Palladia Mors deck
>>97302343Yeah, seeing play as a key element of BGW Doran, the deck that smashed Worlds open like a melon, is "modest play" for sure.
>>97302363
>coom is ok if it's for the gays and the womeni demand huge anime milkers printed on mtg card right fucking now
>>97302386>3 mana planeswalker that has +2 uptick abilityAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN
>>97302181Haven't they already printed this effect before?>>97302235Ah, there it is.
>>97302363Best you can hope for is more Perfect on cards or maybe a random giant or elf.
>>97302386On all levels except physical I am a woman. So this is perfect for me!
>>97302396ok but check this shit out
>>97302412It's pretty meh. Probably really good in Limited but it waits too long to do anything impactful.
>>97302412At least the Elking is on minus now. And it's not removal. Yeah, I'm thinking they learned their lesson.
>>97302181The convoke part might be interesting in a loop with that white card that untaps all creatures when it enters and a bunch of dorks or a card like Cryptolith Rite but then you would need to have a card like chulane that bounced the changling back to your handedh/10
>>97302386>doesn't give a changeling counter or something like that to deal with tracking issuesFuck off with this shit, they made the tech to deal with tracking issues like this and they don't even use it.
Dundoolin Downs, Kithkin are the downy master race confirmed
>>97302386>>97302412>doesn't even look like the same racetypical mtg>on the same cardwew
>>97302432I always find Rabinowitz's art so uncomfortable to look at.
>>97302435That has to be the worst art in a long time (and not for shitposter /pol/ reasons).
>>97302435That is the ugliest card I've seen in a while those faces are going to haunt my nightmares
>>97302442>different artists
>>97302442>one is the full-art version, the other is the normal one>meaning the art was done by different artists and presumably matches to the art on the other side in each caseBesides, he has physical changes between his Lorwyn and Shadowmoor selves, as described in the story.
>>97302386>>97302412They're really going to keep printing unplayable Okos until the end of time huh? For their own design crimes, too.
>>97302459>we can't possibly coordinate artists despite the fact we are responsible for 75% of all fantasy art created any given yearwut
why are we able to have oversexualized males but when are females is bad, must be censored and is not good?
>>97302470anon, these are two different cards. one is the full art version, the other is the normal version. that's why they have different artists
>>97302470You're like 30 years late to this discussion, anon. They've pretty much always let artists fill in the blanks.
>>97302381Are you pretending thoughtseize, goyf, garruk, and the mana dorks weren't the key of the deck? Shriekmaw is even a nonbo with doran lmfao. You could at least have brought up the makeshift mannequin deck for a better exemple of evoke being used to cheat out value.
>>97302472this is a guy without a shirt
>>97302475ok, sure two different cards. I still think they should work on coordinating artists.
>>97302475no sir, this is a one transform card
>>97302466UG won't ever get good cards again since it's the best color combination in Coomander.
>>97302478>Gerrard looks reasonably the same on all 4 of his cards despite prints occurring a decade apart>mothfuckers can't even keep the race straight on modern cards in the same setidk what you are smoking
>>97302481Where are the girls without a shirt. What happened to equality #FreeTheNipple
>>97302493they're two versions of the same card. you can see by the frame, anon. you can see the "normal" Lorwyn-side Oko in here
>>97302493And the blue face shown in the picture is from the frameless full art whatever version of the card. The green one is the regular version.
>>97302435>deformed faces>background is a wierd cloud of brown>half the characters emerge from the cloud of brown>hyperautistic symetry in the middle, but brown cloud stuff doesn't fallow itThis was made by AI. And not even recent one, like a year old model at best
>>97302531oh fuck I can see it
>>97302412Goes great in my elfball voja deck.
>>97302435Ah yes the mesoamerican kithkins.
>>97302435>Downs
>>97302531
>>97302435>any depiction of a wheelchair will now instantly make people think it's done to check a box>because it blatantly is
I support AI.
>>97302553>putting bad cards in an edh deckTrying to fit in with your peers I see
>>97302504>>Gerrard looks reasonably the same on all 4 of his cards despite prints occurring a decade apartHmmm. No. Not really, no. One of them even has a different hair color.
>>97302584bot post btw>>97302553>>97302587anons, this card is blue
>>97302592>reasonably the sameposting that pic is a massive self own
>>97302504idk anon, go look at some other charactersgerrard getting lucky is a fluke
>>97302594Yes and?
>>97302435jesus fuck that art is ugly
>>97302600Ok retard.
>>97302531>because it's not hyperpolished hyperrealistic art it must be AI>symmetry is now autisticJust say it looks like shit. Don't insist on crying wolf.
>>97302619ironically the diffusion models are the opposite now
>>97302584AI is a tool, and as any tool the goodness of its outcomes are of the same intentions and use of who is using it, the main concern everyone should have is that AI is 100% in the hands of the usual suspects and its primary intended use is to gather data on people and breach privacy, the rest is just windows dressing.
>>97302629>t. saw the piss filter meme on facebookshut the fuck up, boomer
>>97302435>White Lorwyn gets niggerized AND retarded>and of course the card itself is weak
Finally some slop
PUPPET KINO
wow guys look at this ai slop
This trailer was made by women and trannies
>>97302633Somali's used it to spawn infinite children data for fraud. slop doesn't work as a slur for ai trash
>>97302619It's over, man. Every single piece of art posted online from now on now has to have irrefutable proof that it's not AI or otherwise it is suspect.
>>97302435Yes susan, I need you to tell jeff the kithkins are going to be brown and with down syndrome, send the mail around.Those chuds are gonna be so maldy you won't believe!
>>97302667Sure thing, Rajeesh-kun
>>97302665It was the Jim Henson Company you little shit.
>>97302651
Did somebody say day and night?transforming into alt versions of themselves based on said metric?
>COMMUNITYI'm söyfacing right now.
>Art is actually decent for once like Tarkir DragonstormWill it very likely be the only successful set of 2026?
>white rhys trained in poison magicYou call dipping your dagger in poison and stabbing niggas "magic"?
>>97302699Idk man, people seem to be hyped for Star Trek more than anything else.
>TMNT set was made by the creative director of Dragon Age the VeilguardPraying it's a tremendous failure of a set.
>>97302699Commander players are boycotting the set so WotC doesn't change hybrid mana rules in their fake format.
SEE? NO AI.
>>97302713Commander players cannot boycott anything.
No need for psyops to make the game fail.Just stop caring about it and don't buy it.What are they going to do, send fake police men to your house to force you to care?The ultimate death is apathy.
>>97302726Besides the game they pretend to play.
if my manga didn't come with a promo card, should I call viz media or wotc support?
>>97301502yes, they do ban anyone who is not positive on the main sub. everyone knows this
>TMNT, Marvel, Hobbit, Star Trek>Only one here that might be successful is HobbitHope all these UB sets flopping forces Hasbro to change their idea on UB, otherwise more UB slop of shit no one likes results in more flops.
>>97302745>marvelOM2
>>97301238Time to shitbrew
>>97302745I think Star trek can bring out trekkies out of the woods
>>97302435Kindred?
>>97302762Trekkies have long been gone since Enterprise.
>>97302781They also don't buy merch. This set is baffling.t. store owner
>>97302775Only relevant when you have a tutor that searches for that type. For example, "Search your library for a Kithkin spell" would let you search for that card
>>97301527literally killing the game, grats. I hope you can accelerate this game to a reset
>>97302789I was more wondering when they decided to change Tribal
>>97302789Or when you want it to benefit from Kithkin synergy.
>>97302798It's been quite a while since that happened.
>>97302798MH3
>>97302815>>97302828Ah ok, I haven't played since 2000 and I'm coming back with Lorwyn
>>97302798Honestly, no idea. It was probably changed when they started saying "typal" instead of tribal, and changed it to Kindred when it came to printing them
>>97302781that why we have og and ng. People will go crazy for serial cards of characters
>>97302841Don't, it's not worth it
This was fun
is there a card worth cheating with meek attack? can't think of anything
>>97302877It was kino.
>>97302881My pitch is arcbound overseer. Kind of cute because it's 0/0.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>97302881First one who came to mind but I'm sure they are better target
>>97302917GOBLIN SUPREMACYFUCK BLUE
>>97302917>dies to Shock, but shocks you with itHoly powercreep...
>>97302917Anon we already have Spiderpunk. This is just it but worse
>>97302841I meant to say 2020, brainfart
>>97302933
>>97302934well, the thing is that I don't play with universes beyond
>>97302934being a goblin is significant upside, there's a ton of synergy
>>97302877Jim Henson Company just can't miss
>>97302841Don't, no one plays Standard anymore. People only play Commander because it's a board game.
>>97302881
>>97302881Why is the promo golbin a gazzele?
>>97302944>no "Can't be countered">no counterspell prevention for your spells>no ward for your whole board>double red mana instead of one red one any>not a goblinLike I said-
>>97302972Yeah and it's still better for aggro because it shocks whenever they do ANYTHING.
>>97302972>>no counterspell prevention for your spellsIt deals damage if you try to counter anything. All your spellsare uncounterable shocks
>>97302917What the...
>>97302917My jokes are becoming real. Please send help. Shit like this should not exist at TWO FUCKING MANA.
>>97302917Probably should have cost RR but I can't wait for the Screaming Nemesis bitching crew to jump onto this with their rhetoric.
>>97302917
>>97303002There is no way you think thats balanced
>>97303013>>97302934
>>97302933If you're playing your own Hexing Squelcher, then you can ignore the ward cost.
>>97303013Oh no! The control player will lose 2 life to answer it! Whatever will they do?
do it faggots
>>97302925Not sure if worth it, but they leave whole armies behind
>>97301416It is just the old Maralen card with "can't gain life" attached. People played it with obnixilis for a while in old modern.>>97302181>clone is begging for an infinite comboYou are better off using the UW merfolk that untaps all merfolks than this thing (for a combo).>>97302367>for my Palladia Mors commander deckthere, fixed that for you, also there is a better general for this.>>97302386>can't have fit attractive woman in art anymoreremember: this game is not for the cis white male audience. >>97302435din du nofin kithkings!
>>97302917"Can't be countered" in red or green cards have never been good and I doubt this will be any different.
>>97302662big sloppa
>>97302917>play squelcher off the top with snoop and pop off with my comboI wish goblins were playable in standard
>>97302917>Ward - Pay 2 life>Other creatures you control have "Ward - Pay 2 life"Would it really have been too confusing to have it as a single ability?>Creatures you control have "Ward - Pay 2 life"
>>97303032it's not happening, they spoiled the card that looked like the thoughtseize reprint, it's a shitty draft chaft card, doesn't even let you choose
>>97302934Spiderpunk doesn't give protection
>>97303044That's just not true lol
>>97303064Lol, what a blunder
>>97303053It's so it has that keyword outside the battlefield for anything that cares about that keyword that exists or might exist in the future. It's the default way of wording it.
>>97303047BIGGER
>>97302881Meek attack ftw
>>97302917I keep forgetting that "can't be countered" is now relevant against ward.
>>97302948it is a good card for goblins but nobody plays goblins outside of the dedicated players, so if you're one of those, more power to you, but this won't affect the meta in a significant way for 99% of players
>>97302917Welp here's the obligatory red creature this general will be seething about non-stop for the next 2 weeks
reprint my wife, NOW
>>97303123Then just take it back tee hee like the world champ did.
>>97302917Oh, this goes to into my Judith's burn carnival.
>>97302592Left and center looks like the same person. Right one could be the same in comic book style (that it is as it is from the vanguard card)>different hair colorplease don't say you think the middle one has a different hair color... If you think the one in the middle has a different hair color then : go out touch grass and look at people hair when they are directly being illuminated by the Sun.. >>97302704In og Lorwyn book Rhys kills a bunch of borgats&elfs by making an magical explosion of lethal poison.>>97302711>another failure in my storyCan't wait for the "people are transphobes" arguments.>>97302881reserved list is a joke.Vexing Shusher reprint!>>97302917regular art is better but still shit.
We YGO now
>>97303187
>>97302881Famished Worldsire, I guess? Nothing good in Standard at least.
>>97303187First strixhaven goblin and it is a gnome...
>>97303187hate these commander designs but at least it's shit
>hey we bought back all those old school magic artists you like>except their only doing mega rare alt arts meaning you'll never get them unless you buy our scam collector boostersThe gift of these guys
>>97303223>commander designs>card that wants 5 colours, but can only provide 2 as the commander
>>97303118easy on the fertilizer anon
>>97303238Hybrid rule change
>>97303238Why did you assume it'd get played as a commander and not in the 99?
>>97303253Legends made for commander are supposed to be he commnader
>>97303247
>>97303259This is simply not true at all. There are tons of legends that work specifically great as 99 pieces.
>>97303259lol, I pity your innocence
>>97303187Isnt sorcerer gendered language? Someone at wizards is getting a 3 hour lecture
>>97303262>flavortext checks out
>>97303187Why Sorcerer? What was wrong with Wizard?
>>97303294It's crazy how you people always rattle off the same barely coherent sentences
>>97303334>people
>>97303294>remove shaman>add sorcerer>not only did they replace a problematic word with another but made a new one by fracturing the synergybravo wotc
>>97303345Sorry I meant "people"
>Shaman was actually one of the real Lorwyn type metters types
>>97303330They wanted to have one spellcaster type for each color and replaced shaman with sorcerer (the others are cleric, wizard, warlock, druid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG1mJ7zpi10I love everything about this and fuck UB for shoving this cultural gem to the January dumping ground
why the push to red and red/blue is so insane lately?
Leaks suck. Was hoping for more sea monsters. No interesting mechanics and is a weakish set. More merfolk to throw into a tribal that has no consistency. Elementals seem neat I guess.Oh well I guess I will just buy the seahorse and omni changeling and move on from this set.Hope the collector booster goes down to 200.
Is Moonshadow legacy playable? It seems like it's stronger than Stalker, especially if you have DRC to feed it, but worse than Nethergoyf.
>>97303379I hope this set succeeds.
>>97303393>Is Moonshadow legacy playable? seems like you answered your own question>but worse than Nethergoyf.
>>97303321>no piss filterwow how the fuck am i going to be able to tell if its ai or not?
>>97303393>one or moreIt's trash.
>>97303377Ok that makes sense I guess.
>>97303393Seems like a shit card to play fair with, just clone it or run solemnity or something.
>>97303393>your graveyardAbsolute trashThis won't survive a bolt until turn 4 with Fetchlands each turn.If it triggered off your opponent's fetches than maybe
>>97303393Do they even play vanilla creatures in legacy in post-horizons times where every 1-2 drop is some kinda game ending value factory?
Can we have a Standard format but without UB? Call it non-slop block or something. Also will solve the big set count problem.
>>97303346>>97303377Wait, what is wrong with the word Shaman?
>>973033933 mana 7/7 flying menace in standard and it won't be playable
>>97303480Black pipo
>>97303480It hurts someone's feelings.
>>97303458do you mean literal vanilla or just big stats for cheap? because nethergoyf is pretty ok
>>97303379Wish they listed the cast, the lorwyn boggart sounds very familiar, maybe Andrew Rannells?
>>97303480Insensitive cultural appropriation of native american peoples.Odd thing is, they are fine with keeping "druid", talk about double standards.
>>97303393I like Moonshadow together with Ozolith.
>>97303484Lmao Eldraine 2 is still legal in Standard? I was living in a different fucking state when it first came out. Good lord.
>>97302412Decent anti-sweeper staying power for that ub aggro deck.
>>97303528>Lmao Eldraine 2 is still legal in Standard?will be for another entire year, rotation only happens when the first set of 2027 comes out
>>97303528It was two years ago, even with the old schedule it would be just rotating out.
>>97303526I wish this card had come out in like 2020-2021. Maybe it could have been good back then.
>>97303542Still feels like it was a million years ago. Maybe it's the increased number of sets per year or something.
They reprinted Shamans without errata'd types in EOE and printed brand new ones as recently as Final Fantasy. You are losing your minds over nothing.
>>97303526>Flash, Convoke, hexproof indestructible until EOT>GreenThanks for al the useful White Flash creatures Gavin Kikey
>>97303550It's a much worse WR flip Avacyn
>>97303568All those mechanics are in green and have been for years
>>97303526So many boardwipes get around indestructible nowadays.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t see a single common card in the spoilers yet.Why they keep edging pauper chads like that. Just show me the Faerie Macabre reprint already you fucks.
Lorwyn>Every single UB set.Simple as, and i don't care what the market research team wants to say about it.
>>97303584
>>97303593Interesting, I can see this being played on mono U fairies or in a weird affinity big aggro shell (currently testing a Dimir affinity with topters and stuff, a lot of small creatures on board).Still worse then Lorien Revealed in most cases tho.
>>97303526this is literally a white card
>>97303526I hate to be that hater but the character in the front looks human made but the characters in the back look ai
>>97303611It's probably going to see play in Familiars because they already ran that MoM card that draws two for 3U with convoke
>>97303484I play this as a 1x in my faerie deckits pretty good.
>>97303617White doesn't have a monopoly on protection, chud
>>97303650White doesn’t have a monopoly on anything, kike
>>97303526Holy lel whiteschizo was right
>>97303688It could have been hybrid but EDHtards would complain.
Convoke should never be on a blue card and EDH must pay for what it has done to magic.
>>9730368855 cards in standard that grant Indestructible, 27 of them are white cards. https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28oracle%3Again+oracle%3Aindestructible+oracle%3Auntil+oracle%3Aend+oracle%3Aof+oracle%3Aturn%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+legal%3Astandard+prefer%3Abest&order=color&as=gridLeave the site and never return.
>>97303705EDH is Magic chud. Maybe you should reconsider what YOU think is Magic.
>>97303705The minority cannot demand any payments.
>>97303705Yeah it totally was EDH, they would NEVER make a blue card with convoke before!
>>97303735Actual best card of the set (so far, anyway).
>>97303702>native american elf niggerified in the hope to mildly inconvenience and upset the chudsWizards, what the fuck.
>>97303702Greasefang just got better
>>97303749>Native mexican kithkin
>>97303749>native american>Lorwyn elves??????
>>97303705They decided Convoke could be any color way before Commander.
>>97303749what the actual fuck are you talking about?is this some metaschizobaitpost?
>>97303769>josé I think our boat might be sinking
>>97303753Wil they stop giving this stupid and ridiculous deck such amount of tools? Is already retarded to win with.
A much needed reprint
Mods, can we seriously start banning /pol/ false-flaggers? This shit is well and truly old at this point and is painfully obvious (and yet, moronic anons just can't seem to stop replying to them...).
>>97303792Everyone sane moved over to EDH or quit playing the game. Only the insane and a few competitivetards are still holding on to 60-card formats for dear life.
Um, hello? Mods, do your jobs
>>97303809At least learn what false flag means, troon.False flag doesn't mean "thing I don't like".
Modern horizons reprint.
>>97303702
>>97303839Looks pretty bronze to me.
Senor?!?
>the troon is replying to himself
even with a new set of real magic on the way this general manages to have the lowest quality posts. is very sad if you ask me.
>>97303847You missed the "Polished" before Bronze, Sweetheart.
>>97303867Eh? This general has been like this for years. A collection of people who hate what the game has become but can't voice their opinions anywhere else. A very negative place to hang out.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/total-eclipsed-of-the-sunThe Shadowmoor draft archetypes are:R/G Vivid MidrangeG/U Vivid RampW/B Use -1/-1 counters as a resourceR/W Giant creatures that lose their -1/-1 countersU/B Faerie tribal cast spells on your opponent's turn.
>>97303184No, I meant the one on the far right having black hair. The other two have different amounts of hair and facial hair. Tbh I don't think they're anymore dissimilar than the two versions of Oko that were leaked.
>>97303869Looks polished enough.
>>97303402Took a while to get the gen I had in mind.so yes, it absolutely is slop
>>97303891right is comic style with less color and less details.Different poses makes head look different and less or more beard to appear on the face.
This trailer is fucking great and fun and nice. But it's not Lorwyn. It's nu-Lorwyn.
>>97303702>>97303753>>97303806This is just a colorshifted white card from like m20 or something. I forget the name.
Giant old lady
>>97303887The kithkin one doesn't look great but this maybe has some combo potentialSomehow fucked up my image there
>>97303921Art is a sleeping giant, has an attack trigger.
>>97303921So the obvious combo is extra combat spells, right?
>>97303949It wakes up from its dreams.
>>97303944what if we just made it cost twice as much?
>>97303030>The control playerEvery strategy runs removal.
Why everything looks so fucking weak man? I want this set to displace ATLA and FF but with this powerlevel...
>>97303960Yes; or sheer annoyance if it's in an Izzet deck
>>97303995Turtles will displace.
>>97303393No but I'm going to play it in my mono B aggro shitpile anyway God I wish Hatred was playable
Combo deck killer
>>97303995Dude if Standard gets anymore powercreeped it's going to be a Turn 1 format.
le heckin pupperino
>>97304019More like control mirror tech.
>>97304022Not vibrant enough. Where are the browns and blacks of the rainbow flag?
Reclamation sage for every tribal
>>97303847>>97303869>>97303894
>>97303716Seriously why the fuck is red of all colours the only one allowed to have decent creature interaction whilst black is stuck with murder variants most sets still
>>97304022>into handUnplayable trash
Imma need /ourguy/ Seth to make his spoiler video already
>>97303808Doesn't green already have a bunch of 1 mana hexproof/ indestructible tricks? Can't see +2/+2 being that big of a deal
>>97304058The irony here is that red wants burn to actually go face, this is just more conditional removal which is exactly what both red and black get these days.
>>97304051Orange is just light brown
>>97304044Kaldheim already had one. >>97304022This looks playable.
>>97303921>>97303961I'm so fucking tired of cards that cheat other cards into play or allow you to cast them for free
>>97303887Huh actually somewhat different themes for a change. Blight seems like it could be a decently interesting limited mechanic depending on how far they push the -1/-1 counter juggling stuff
>you chooseSeems good if the meta actually ever slowed down
>>97304090What elves called the genocides "winnowing"
>>97303935>champion of the weird>has a champion like abilityI clapped
Doesn't look good, but cute design.
>>97304083>cast for freeDaydreamer doesn't do any of this, you cast the spell for full cost then utilize it later exactly once. It's not even good.
>>97304095At least try to pretend that you play the game sometimes, anon. There are other cards, too but one example will suffice.
Here's something for the ancient one memes
>>97304113The card agrees with me the elves consider all non-elves ugly.
This disgusting especially after the offensive Men's Day deal on Arena.
>>97304116Seeing Strixgarbage pollute Lorwyn is kinda annoying ngl.
>>97304124As a broad rule, Lorwyn elves did and still do. The whole plot of the set is them wanting to genocide the plane.
>>97304108Ok I will word it differently, I'm tired of reading: "without paying its mana cost" on card
>>97304148Isn't the entire point of Lorwyn that all of the tribes look cute and fun but they're all assholes?
>pump an absurd amount of mana with a single draw spell in hand as a hail mary >draw exactly what I need to win sometimes the bullshit works in your favor, always remember that
>>97304169not elves, the are supposed to be gauntthese elves are too fat in comparison
>>97304175You just discovered that playing to your outs is a winning strategy? And also that drawing cards is the most OP thing in the entire game? What year is this? Am I back in "black winter" all over again? What the fuck am I reading?
Lorwyn status?
>>97304212Eclipsed, you dummy.
>>97304202maybe i was just salty from a long string of bricks
>>97304116Please tell me there's only 5 of these fuckers and not 10
>>97304212Lore Win!Sike!
>>973042128/10 only the kithking are pozzed
>>97304212Powerwise it isn't great and relatively boring mechanics. Doubt we will see much become meta. Commander might see some stuff with the tribal shit.Art is neat.Hopefully it means the Boosters will go down in price.
>>97304228There's only five. The four students from Strixhaven and the elf they recruited.
>>97304212Worse than expected, and that's saying something.
>>97304256>Powerwise it isn't great and relatively boring mechanics.At this point, I simply don't consider this to be something that people are going to be able to call correctly in advance. Too many times over the last few years, I've been told that THIS is the set that's low power and not going to affect anything, only to then see the calls for bans come rolling in.
>>97304212Best set of the year - but take note that I don't say this as a positive. Things are going to go very, very far downhill from here.
>Lorwyn mid to low power level>Wait for Turtles to literally destroy several formatsI want to be wrong but i dont think so...
they intentionally fucked the power level so hardLook at Avatar and how it had so many obviously pushed card then look at this set>main mechanics are evokers that ... can't be cheated and -1/-1 counters that opponents can choose who to put it on, which also deny you of any payoff triggerlamo
>>97303995If a set pushed you people will cry powercreep, and if it isnt you cry that its weak. Theres no winning with you people.
I am not you people. They are.
>>97304338and with a three year standard and more sets per year, the card pool is so much larger that you need to print more powercreep to get a set "over", so the excesses of a set being too pushed or too weak are both worse
>>97304314>and -1/-1 counters that opponents can choose who to put it onYou put them on your own creatures, dingus.
>>97304338They just want an in-universe set to massively outperform UB sets so that Wizards is forced to undo their retarded decisions (a fantasy).
>>97304338mixing pushed and non-pushed sets in the same standard means the non-pushed sets basically don't exist
>>97304314>they intentionally fucked the power level so hardAh, I remember reading all the posts asserting this about Bloomburrow.
>>97303705lel you don't have the leverage
>>97303379The boggart song is cool it would have been better if mtg wasn't as gay as it is now.From a possible Holiday it is only another Monday....
>>97304338I think the problem here is pushing the UB sets to the sky meanwhile having real magic sets become irrelevant like Aetherdrift
>>97303379Wait? Lorwyn is Oko's Home plane? WTF?
Power levels are all over the place, because the Standard sets were designed before the UB-Standard-Era, and UB sets always were designed considering EDH and Eternal formats.
>>97304576Oko is Oona's creation.
>>97304611Wasn't his backstory of a plane where Faeries where the dominant species and where also shapeshifters themselves (the faeries) and that is why oko could shapechange?
>>97304140>1 Lorwyn set instead of 4 like last time10 (ten!) rare slots wasted on Strixhaven nobodies
>>97304105Way too slow to do anything
>>97304212The focus on -1/-1 counters means they have to put in a bit more effort in card design this set rather than everything vommiting +1/+1 counters just for blinking
>>97304068Infect
>>97304648Oko was created on the plane of Lorwyn-Shadowmoor by the faerie queen Oona, a piece of herself made manifest and intended to serve as Shadowmoor's prince to preserve her essence and memory between the shifts of the Great Aurora, as she would later do with Maralen for Lorwyn. Rebellious and fiercely independent from the start, Oko defied Oona's will and fought her influence, wanting to be himself. Oko formed a strong kinship with a storytelling giant that revealed to him to truth of Eirdu and Isilu, the elementals of day and night that had once been. Oko began to call the giant "father" and promised he would be a good son. This infuriated Oona, who had the giant killed in front of Oko for his impudence and to impart a lesson of fealty; Oko instead turned his back completely on Oona and her fey progeny and vanished.
>>97303716>saar
>>97304750Sear.
>>97303918Nope. Indestructible+Tap is sjut a 80 IQ friendly rewording of Regenerate
>>97304090why is air freeing little rice fairies depicitng a mass destruction spell?
>>97304685>10 (ten!)Five.
>>97304823The fairies get in your eyes and butthole and kill you.
>>97304823do you know what the word "winnowing" means
Lorwyn Eclipsed Premodern reprints so far:Goblin Sharpshooter
>>97305116My favorite Magic card of all time.
>>97303688I get that a lot yet people are always surprised
>>97305116Do people even care about premodern reprints? From what I can tell, most people either buy the version from the old set or just proxy the old version.
>>97305116Is premodern our salvation?
>>97305235Until premodern horizons happens
>>97305168Pic related is mine.
>>97304773>>97303918this is what that anon was referring to
>>97304549Not really. Duskmourn and Bloomburrow were also pushed and you never heard the end of it. Doesnt really matter if its UB or not.
>>97302917Does every set need its own Questing Beast nowadays?
I like how nobody even cares about the 6/6 beast whisperer, that's how far gone we are now.
>>97302917Why do we need 9 flavors of wizard as creature types? Is there even a meaningful difference between a wizard and a sorcerer or is this supposed to be the shaman replacement?
>>97304116>Hey everyone new Lorwyn set!....>SYKE!
>>97305395wypipo dont season dey hallowblade
>>97304105I really, genuinely fucking despise how clumsy the templating of "Blight" as an action word is. This textbox is revolting.
>>97304022Draft chaff lmao.
>>97305545>4 mana green creature that folds hard to counter spell>now it folds doubly hard to counterspell due to the 2nd card requirementyeah nah
This set looks like shit.
>>97305557It's the replacement.
>>97304019Seems worse than Summary Dismissal for the matchups where you'd actually want this effect, since the Eldrazi player will almost certainly have Cavern of Souls out and not exiling the Tendrils/Grapeshot means they can probably just recast it.
>>97305632bro we have cavern of souls and it's an elf
>>97305617Could you explain? I don't see the problem.
>>97304022It can get any land but there aren't any problematic lands in standard other than Ba Sing Se.
>>97305647It simply is not in line with how MTG keywords are formatted, and certainly should never be on the cost side of an ability.
>>97305652>It can get any land but there aren't any problematic lands in standard other than Ba Sing Se.Were the format slower then everyone dying on turn 3, having a tutor for Ba Sing Se would be worth considering.
>>97305656>>97305617Replace it with "sacrifice a creature" and it works basically the same. I don't see an issue.
>>97305656I agree with >>97305664, it seems the same as anything else that requires you to do something like tap or sacrifice a creature as a cost to activate an ability.
>>97305656That's because it's an activated ability like discard.
... actually now that it's been mentioned, the Evoke shit is going to go gangbusters in Earthbend lists.Pic related is already proving to be FAR more retarded than people first thought. Imagine this shit surviving for a turn only to spam out a fuckton of fat Evoke elementals that all tutor for Ba Sing Se. Yeah, fuck off Wizards this shit sounds AWFUL.
>>97305669>>97305673Allow me to illustrate why this is not acceptable.https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%221%3A%22
>>97305680What is that supposed to show? Planeswalkers do it, so other cards can't do something similar?
>>97305680I don't get it.
>>97305687>>97305689Brainlets on the loose.
>>97305695So no actual logic? Cool, opinion discarded.
>>97305687He's implying that the existence of this 3rd party tool and its query language unsupported by WotC support his position that Infect should be re templated so he can separate them from Planeswalker, since he is too smart to actually put the Planeswalker time in the search query.
>>97305695Let me guess did you think blight makes you put -1/-1 counters on your opponents creatures?
>>97305545Standard is a Turn 3 format. A 4-drop needs to win the game on the spot.
How many memory issue cards have we seen so far? Is this a new records?
>>97305707>He's implying that the existence of this 3rd party tool and its query language unsupported by WotC support his position that Infect should be re templated so he can separate them from Planeswalker, since he is too smart to actually put the Planeswalker time in the search query.Honestly reasonable inference.But the actual implication is that this kind of templating simply isn't in line with how MTG is traditionally formatted. Setting aside the fact that putting a fucking -1/-1 counter on something has no need to be keyworded in the first place, the inconsistency between Blight having a numeric value while Proliferate doesn't should raise red flags. Consistency is a sign of good design.Also, again, action keywords are never costs. Never, no exceptions. You would never see "T, Cascade:" or "T, Proliferate:" and Blight is in the same family of keywords, so it should be strictly excluded from being in the cost of things.And, again, it should never have been keyworded to begin with. The rampant, frothing idiocy of "Literally every fucking thing ever must be a keyword!" is total shit and one of the worst aspects of MTG's design.
>>97305723Yeah it's pretty fucking terrible. WotC literally just doesn't fucking care about any design principles at all anymore.
New thread>>97305725>>97305725>>97305725
>>97305723Old one had it too
>>97305737Memory issues get worse at higher frequencies within an environment. One isn't bad, fifteen is atrocious.
>>97305727Discard and sacrifice are action keywords that are cost and they show up every set.
>>97305748Agreed, they should not be part of costs either. But the game isn't ideal and it has a lot of legacy systems. As with every project with a shitton of legacy systems, you simply tolerate them.
>>97305757More activated abilities technically exert is also one.
>>97305767Yes, yes, nuMagic is full of shit ideas. I am aware.Forage and Collect Evidence are both trash and proof that WotC is shit at design.
>>97301550hymn to tourach returns
