Previous Thread: >>97297072 Colorless hybrid edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules https://mtgcommander.net">committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the https://www.edhrec.com">internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card https://www.archidekt.com">choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color https://managathering.com">identityhttps://managathering.com>Card https://scryfall.com">searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>TQWith hybrid mana almost certainly being legalized for off-color commanders, what's the first hybrid mana monocolor commander with picrel in it that'a you're building?
>>97304302Probably none. I can't think of a deck that I run where I would run this.
Reminder, it's already been decided
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97304302>what's the first hybrid mana monocolor commander with picrel in it that'a you're building?I'm absolutely expecting them to make "special exceptions" to stuff like pic rel because "there's only 1 color on the card"
>>97304328Why would they exempt this card specifically? They already said twobrid would count
>new thread specifically designed to bait the garbage whining and bad faith argumentation from last thread Sigh
Um, you didnt link this thread in the previous thread therefore its illegitimate
>Vexing Shusher>Hexing Squelcer>Myrel>Grand Abolisher>Voice of Victory>Spider Punk>ChimelMy boros spells will never be countered again.
>>97304341I tried, but it was archived before I had a chance, sorry.
>>97304331But I thought hybrid mana was supposed to be representative of both colors? I didn't know tutorings was a colorless thing.
>>97304302>TQpic rel gets a lot of 4+ pip options, the main ones being the 5cmc demigods and Boros Reckoner
>>97304342I can't believe it took 30 years for us to get to this point. We're living the good life, brother.
>>97304354
>>97304331Generic mana =/= colorless manaBut if they already specified that it would be ruled that way, nevermind I guess.
>>97304363Have another example? That seems like a colorpie break to me.
>>97304302>With hybrid mana almost certainly being legalized for off-color commanders, what's the first hybrid mana monocolor commander with picrel in it that'a you're building?None. I'll continue to ignore it along with their other bullshit rules and bans.
>>97304377Nm, there are actually quite a few. Surprising, honestly.
This commander is fun and Im tired of pretending its not. I actually managed to sandbag the table by removing all their boards and drawing cards until I had enough mana to clone fiery confluence amd bump the damage of each node by like 6. Slight apologies to the table for being a revolving door of removal but also its based af.
>>97304377It cannot be a colorpie break because colorless can do anything. It's just more expensive.
>>97304403Whoops Im a dummy cant post 2 pics at once. Boros bros 2026 is our year
>>97304403What commander? You just attached fiery confluence.
>>97304393>"i'll ignore wotc's rules," he says, as he mulligans without limit
>>97304302>With hybrid mana almost certainly being legalized for off-color commandersAny new updates/hints regarding the hybrid mana ruling since the OG suggestion by yours truly, Gaywin Vorhaut?
Sadly not much for his deck, I don't wanna switch commanders...
>>97304410>one-sided boardwipes in you are path
>>97304427I thought we were getting -1/-1 counter stuff soon, no?
>>97304424Literally nothing. They posted a "hey here's an idea" article months ago and then complete silence since then. Realistically we won't hear anything until right before Lorwyn Eclipsed launches, when they do their usual news/update dump
>>97304410I had a funny thing with her once where I managed to make a Boros Reckoner indestructible and then bolted it. It dealt 3 damage to itself repeatedly and I drew half my deck
>>97304342The monkey paw is going to curl when they start hard pushing cards that exile spells from her stack rather than counter them.
>>97304430I kinda threw this together. It still does shockingly well. If I tried to make this a sweat list it would be pretty top tier for my decks. Those red spells that do 1 to the board are amazing with Taii. It like ok Ill just casually remove all your stuff including the 6/6, draw a card, amd everyones face takes 6. Repeat.
"Muh color pie" should not be an argument with commander. The color pie was designed with the idea you can just splash a color to get what was needed. This cannot be done in commander. So part of the intention of the entire system of the color pie sort of breaks down. Commander absolutely should have commander-only cards that skirt or break the color pie. Because you cannot just splash a color, like I can in every other format.
>>97304302Why would i run a bad card?
>>97304492>from her stackWho's stacked rack?
Post decks. Now.
>>97304427I think you might be jumping the gun a bit.
>>97304494I tried to brew a number of burnwipe decks. They were not what I would call fun, just opressive.
>>97304537You first dumbass.
>>97304537
>>97304560Well that was unneedfully rude. I hope your day goes well and that whatever is bothering you today clears up.
>>97304553True, its not fun if you actually interact with people
>>97304567THAT'S A LOTTA DECKS
>>97304573The word you were looking for was "unnecessary," and it wasn't. Don't ask people to do something you refuse to do yourself.
>>97304588Yeah, need to replace the shelf haha
>>97304537Need to take new pictures, but what I have on hand.
>>97304618>half the deck is proxiesyou really don't
>>97304537I am tossing spiteful visions in if the hybrid change goes in.
>>97304567Goddamn I thought I was the only other person that built him in a friendly way. No wheels, no pingers from draw, just extra card draw so people can pop off more often. I don't even aim to win, it's purely my "let people have fun" deck
>>97304618Buy an ad. Now.
>>97304640>He doesn't have a fully proxied deckroflmao
>>97304618Let's see that sexy esper sentinel
>>97304645This would be valid if he posted it unprompted.
>>97304666Here you go Satan.
>>97304714>P/T isn't properly centeredAbsolutely disgusting.
>>97304618goonslop
>>97304759Fair
>>97304714Why bother making a coomer proxy of Esper Sentinel if it's not going to be a hot girl in metal bondage gear?
>>97304427>Moonshadow>Dawnhand Dissident>Spinerock Tyrant>Scuzzback Scrounger >Shadow Urchin>Champion of the Weird>Eventide's Shadow>Village Pillagers>Aberrant Return>Bogslither's EmbraceHe got a crazy amount of useful shit and we haven't even seen the full jund deck yet. Trust the plan scorpion bro.
I for one am just really glad that Sorcerer is FINALLY a creature type. It never made sense to me that it wasn't and they had to lump it in with Shaman, especially since this game is literally made by the same company as DND
>>97304354Everything is a colorless thing.
>>97304838Meanwhile, I'm in mourning for shaman as a creature type.
>>97304845Not true. Being a color isn't a colorless thing.
Goddamn I hate impulse "draw" so much
>>97304838>Shaman>Warlock>Wizard >Sorcerer>Mystic>Spellshaper
>>97304877Mystics and Spellshapers don't really exist anymore, they're retired creature types. And Shaman, Warlock, Wizard and Sorcerer are all different enough lore-wise to make sense as different types, but Shaman is being retired because it's offensive i guess?
>>97304867we just got a bunch...?
>>97304892First of all, I'm talking about Magic cards, not whatever that is.Second of all, ECL retires shaman as a type in favor of sorcerer.
tyranids are still the best thing that happened with UB
>>97304873
>>97304892Um sweaty thats not a real card
W8 shaman is being retired?Nooooo my shaman king secret lair....
>>97304902you can't just keep being racist like that..
>>97304897Warhammer was the start of this completely fucking retarded "flavor pseudo keyword" thing so I will always hate it.Why is this stupid "spawn termagants" thing here? We can already INFER WHAT IT DOES FROM THE RULES what flavor does this EVEN ADD
>>97304907>Warhammer was the start of this completely fucking retarded "flavor pseudo keyword" thingThat would be AFR, actually.
>>97304907No it wasn't. That was Adventures in the Forgotten Realms
>>97304906>The only reason I am mad is cuz I think about LE POLITICSGo back
Furry bros, where is our fan service...
>>97304906This. It's so icky and backward.
>>97304907i feel like it was present for a good time before it but im too lazy to find something older than this
>>97304907Why the fuck is flavor text on cards? It does nothing.
>>97304889In the case of spellshapers, they were replaced by planeswalkers
>>97304918>>97304919>>97304929>>97304930*ahem*
>>97304922>he is denying what wotc themselves said about shamansKekw literal npc behavior
>>97304918>>97304919...oh.Yeah, my bad. Guess I have another reason to hate that set.>>97304930Flavor text is different then just random words tacked there in the middle of the actual rules text. PSEUDO-KEYWORDS ARE SUPPOSED TO MEAN SOMETHING what the fuck does >>97304929 this shit do? What does "Pact Boon" tell me? What other cards have "Pact Boon" in them? It's stupid as fuck
>>97304907It's just naming the ability from the other game that is being ported into MTG. I think it's cute.
>>97304938He's clearly referring to those one-off Ability Words that, by being one-off, completely undermine the point that Ability Words are typically used for.
>>97304787I dunno. People might not like bondage gear, but being even a little more mechanical couldn't hurt.Slop is slop though, I guess.
>>97304938...that's reminder text, dumbass.
give me the fucking monster hunter colab alreadynot like working longer on it will make them not fuck it up for a second time
>>97304944>Oh that's different cuz...it just isFuck off.
>>97304889>erm aschually it's okay to bloat an already bloated game up with even more shit because these fantasy archetypes have slight differences between them and if they were to call Scrimblo Bimblo a Knight when actually in lore he fights for money would break my immersion it makes perfect sense that Scrimblo isn a Soldier because he hires himself out to a nation to fight he's not a Mercenary because he's fighting for a country which makes him a Soldier, if he were fighting for an individual for money he would of course be a Mercenary at that point, though if he just accepted pay for work Scrimblo would be a Warrior. I know he swore fealty to Black Afro Queen which people argue makes him a Knight but Scrimblo is only a Knight when he's in Poopyshire, on other planes his allegiance expires so that's why he becomes a Soldier because he offers his services to national organizations on other planes. And no, just because his iconic weapon is a bow doesn't mean he's an Archer and just because he kills specific individuals as part of his Soldier work doesn't mean he's an Assassin, and just because he also steals peoples stuff and is currently doing so as part of a ship's crew doesn't make him a Rogue or a Pirate, he's a Soldier. It's a distinct difference, except if he goes back to Poopyshire in which case Scrimblo will go back to being a Knight.
>>97304958Velkhana, Lusty HagProfessor FutalisRutalos
>>97304965dumb frogposter
>>97304950>shoot the sherriff>shows a staff insteadalas, wotc has a libtard aversion to blickies
>>97304964how ironic
>>97304968Concession accepted
>>97304969>muh fantasy important>except if I can use it to push my politics :)
>>97304942NTA but I did my best googling and all I found about this "news" was that they were "evaluating" using Shaman and Druid less in 2023, then a Tumblr post by maro from 2024 saying "we are using shaman less" with 0 further elaboration in reference to a question about why a newer Sarkhan is a Druid when he's been a Shaman in the past. This is, imo equally likely to be referencing the fact they're expanding the caster creature types outside their traditional colors (so not all druids are green, not all Shamans are red, etc)Since both of these occurences, dozens of creatures of both of these types have been both reprinted and printed for the first time (including picrel from the latest D&D movie who is a Sorcerer being retconned INTO a Shaman, funnily enough).You are being ragebaited by invasive nogames /pol/tards over nothing. Cease falling for it.
>>97304965This but unironically
Feels good to be a mono white chad.
>>97304964It is fucking different. Paradox means the same thing in every card it is used. It means the card cares about casting shit outside your hand. Landfall cares about lands dropping. Alliance cares about creatures entering.What on earth does "Pact Boon" mean? It doesn't codify anything. It's just there to be an epic reference to DnD. And by being so, it makes the references WORSE. It speaks to a complete lack of confidence to making the mechanic speak for itself. Like pic related, I get the reference just by looking at the goddamn card, this is the guy that cut off the Doctor's hand, then it regrew. Shoving flavor text there in the middle of the fucking card doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know and just makes it look retarded.
>>97304979I think the fantasy argument went out the window the moment we got murders at karlov manor and UB and secret lairs
>>97304969...do you think only a gun can shoot someone? She's shooting a spell at him, dumbass.
>>97304965we love coyote and walrus taking over viashino and cepahlids here, you don't belong here
>>97304981>Since both of these occurences>posts a card from 2023 when the second occurrence referenced was in 2024And he was printed as a shaman because sorcerer wasn't a creature type at the time. It's also been confirmed that there are no shamans in ECL, despite Shaman having been one of the payoff creature types in Morningtide.
>>97304989Anon, I agree with your basic premise but the fact that you're having a full-on melty about it instead of just saying "I don't like X" makes me want to side against you anyway.
>>97304981Imagine being this much of a newfag to not know why they created warlock and being this naive to not see that they're pulling the same stunt again
>>97304993You cast a spell at someone, btw
>>97305022okay I cast "shoot projectile"
>>97305022You can both cast and shoot. You can shoot fireballs or lightning at something.
>97305028>97305030>on your end step, i shoot fact or fiction>in response, i shoot counterspell>main phae, i shoot duressHahahahaha
>>97304937Talk about a glowdown, planeswalkers are just glorified sagas
>>97304537Everyone thinks it's voltron, then a toughness matters deck but I never attack. It's neither, it's a janky combo deck.
>>97304993Yes, that is the definition of the term used in that context, yes.
>>97305038That famous bible quote "let he who is without sin, shoot the first stone"
>>97304999What's your opinions on wolves and dogs?
>>97304537I don't know what to cut for the Avatar Zepplin or the new Mournsong enchantment pls help
it's -15C / 5F outside and i dont have a single piece of winter clothingcommanders for this feeling?
>>97305051SHOOT IT INTO THE FIRE!!DESTROY IT!!>noISILDUR!!!!
>>97305006Politics aside, it's the worst of both worlds option to soft-replace the creature type without errata'ing the old Shamans into Sorcerers. Everyone knows they're the same thing but this way the old Shamans won't synergize with the new Sorcs. They certainly aren't going to do an outlaw-style grouping again, either.
>>97305052I'm so glad they changed hounds to doggos ^.^
>>97305057Any snow commander, but I guess Narfi in particular because he fucking sucks ass just like your situation does
>>97305057
With the new Lorwyn trailer, Muppets and Magic have officially interacted.Now, for an important question: If there was a Magic Muppets movie, who would be the sole human in the film?
>>97305082Thats not a legal commander
>>97305086Jace or Garruk
Anyone have experience running him? Even in green 5 mana seems way too high for voltron but he seems so goddamn fun
>>97305094Why does he need to be ran as voltron?
>>97305094Chandra's Ignition.
>>97305047The little dice look like dice children following their dice parents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG1mJ7zpi10Yeah I'm thinking SOVL is back in Magic.
>>97305094>Voltron
>>97305086Nicolas Cage in the role of Urza.
>>97305094yjk!!!
>>97305109Puppet kino
>>97305111Also this. Honestly, spell slinging fight spells and buffs seems more viable and fun than voltron
>>97304537I need to take some new and even shittier pictures
>>97305136Actually its bracket 1. The theme is Cards That Annoy You
One of the funniest cards ever printedWorded to say "No, you don't get to actually steal your opponent's cards with this"
>>97305157Considering they had ante back then, specifying was probably the right call
>>97305157This was made in the ante era. You did need to specify it didn't give you ownership.
Bring back ante. I want to steal people's real cards with my chinese bootlegs.
Lorwyn looking kinda shit for my deck. Merfolk get more slop I guess. Generic tribal stuff but nothing stands out. Changelings are trash except for the blue omni one. Elementals are probably the tribe that most wins out.
>>97305180>have a janky but fun Assassin tribal led by picrel>start reading Gloom Ripper>holy shit, what a great add>finish reading>it's entirely dependent on running Elf tribaldamn
>>97305109desu lorwyn never clicked with me but at least I'm happy they explicitly talk about going back to old artists and focusing on hand art rather than just using aislop for everything
>>97305211>they explicitly talk about going back to old artistsand yet the old artists worth a damn are never coming back due to retarded reasons, thanks wotc
>>97305109>listen to the song once>chorus still stuck in my headHonestly impressed.
>>97305107cute
>>97305217dont kill my vibe
>>97305109>15 fucking minutes long
>>97305109How do they make puppets this elaborate, man? It actually looked like it had real eyeballs that were moving around.
>all these niggas forgot about all the troon politics that is going to lead the narrative
>>97305109Dark Crystal UB when?
>>97305248>muh politicsShut up
>>97305239What's wrong zoomie, is your attention span too fucked up by short form content being beamed into your eyeballs constantly that you can no longer sit through something the length of a SpongeBob episode?same
>>97305253I could see a collab this month for a SLD
>>97305248This set wont sell well. Cards are too weak, the story is meh (Strixhaven trash). Cards are pretty but people will just buy those individually as nothing in this set will be worth more than 10 dollars.
>>97305246Checkout Jim Hensons Creatureshop site and all of his old videos about how he makes and operates them.
>>97305264>No one will open packs>So all the good cards won't be over 10 dollars>When there is such low supply of them, meaning demand is higher.
>>97305109This reminds me of the babe
reposting this because I think she's neat.Probably not good, but neat.
>>97305211That schizo who kept saying the earliest previews of Lorwyn were all digital and oversaturated is absolutely btfoI tried to tell him it was a difference in quality of materials and scanning, he did not listen.
Reminder not to waste energy debating in any kind of good faith with bots and parasitic scum from other boards that DON'T play edh and come to our general purely to start shit and farm reactions.Ignore these posts and report them for being off-topic, or if you simply MUST give them a (You), just say "Fuck off retard" rather than giving them the satisfaction of a reply you spent any amount of effort on.
>>97305273Thats not how this works.Thousands of packs will still be sold and/or prices will drop for packs. This set is not worth 300 collector booster, I expect it to drop to maybe 230. Of the dozens of cards that have leaked/been shown, maybe 3 are even viable on low end. And there are no new mechanics to chase. Next to nothing in here for standard (which is what drives costs up as you need 3 copies of shit like Badgermole).
>>97305278Unless she ends up being like 30 dollars (doubtful) I'll probably build her too.
>>97305278she seems like she'll be better as a payoff in a life gain deck than a buildaround
>>97305300feel like she'd go real well in The Archimandrite
>>97305287>censorship good
>>97305337>The ArchimandriteMaybe, but good lord looking at that commander is super boring
>>97304537I really love Azula bros
>>97305351yeah, but i dont think there's any lifegain dependent commanders that don't feel very samey or boring.
>>97304537I have more sideboard like infinite combos that I take in and out as needed, but I generally try to avoid those.
Damn it feels good to be a UBeast
Damn it feels bad to be a UWimp
Smells like BITCH in here
>>97305399bitch you got weird titties
>>97305246>It actually looked like it had real eyeballs that were moving around.They do generally put motion-capable eyeballs in the creature puppets. Check out the behind the scenes videos for the Netflix Dark Crystal show.Puppetry is honestly really underrated as an art form these days.
>>97305393>UB RUINS MY IMMERSION! Amazes me how they can say this when all the UW sets have been trash from a ghostbusters knock off, too a scooby doo racing thing, to space magic (only cool one). Finally get an actual UW set and its looking like one of the most boring sets since spiderman though the art is good. Meanwhile Avatar and FF have been great sets both powerwise, mechanically, and artstyle.
>>97305399The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
>>97305399not till end of turn or until it leaves the battlefield. wild.
>>97305399>7 mana
>>97305399FlickerGAWDS we're eating good
>>97305432Its 7 mana, what did you expect? At 7 mama your opponents shit should get slapped.And they seem to be on a kick of "remove abilities, because fuck man. We've over done it with our pushed commanders that are basically untouchable."
>>97305437It doesn't even have the "if it was cast from your hand clause" you can cheat this out all day long.
>>97305246ai
>>97305437>He's still hard casting in 2026
>>97305465fuck off retard
>>97305468Far better shit for me to cheat out for 8 mana.
>>97305399>not R
>>97305404The giants of lorewyn are shaped all kinds of weird very neanderthal like
>>97305477Go ahead you'll be cheating out this if you don't have an answer
>>97305278will build her just as an excuse to have a cute giantess in the command zone (with a tasteful alter/proxy of course)
>>97305511
>>97305480>Showing the one card where the cards can be your commander and the text includes “coward”godFUCKINGdammit I know I was so disappointed
>"in universe" = UW schizo is just replying to himself now
>>97305264>nothing in this set will be worth more than 10 dollarsShocks
>>97304924All went to Little Troubles TCG the true furfag's card game.
>>97305654eoe shocks aren't even hitting 9 right now.
>>97305264people said this about bloomburrow
>>97305253i really hope we get a skeksis SLD(SLD UB of IP I like is fine because its fantasy and soulful)
>>97305657Delete this
>>97305399Gonna love using this against Sliver players
>>97305712No.And get this:It's actually mechanically unique and good.
>>97305771It prominently/openly endorses an extremely niche and bizarre fetish, of fucking course it's mechanically unique and good, the creator has to be almost cripplingly autistic.
today's mail cards
>>97305802>old janky cardsFucking based. I like you.
Just got home from work bros.What got revealed?
>>97305842Scroll up dumbdumb coomer
>>97305399This is toxic as fuck
>>97305850and such is the sign of soulful magic design
>>97305278I don't like her as much as Brion or honestly as much as Aerith, I see them as similar decksBut she's cute and absolutely "would"
Mail call?Am I based?
>>97304714>>97304948Based
>>97305802>WickNice. You building him then? Or is it more of a collection piece?
>>97305864Nope, you're cringe. Terminally so.
>>97305864very, how much did it cost? maybe its because im trying to buy old ass lands but any seller with more than like 5 of an art i want upcharges like a bitch
>>97305780Where the fuck is that nigga who says he only got into Magic for the mechanics and plays cards no matter what's printed on them as long as they're good?I want to put him to the test
>>97305384?
>>97305842A card for Azula
>>97305893Why the FRICK is this non legendary?
>>97305893I'm getting too old to read this
>>97305871Collection primarily I've been grabbing the Bloomburrow showcase frames because I realized they look awesome IRL compared to online. (and I love the set). I don't play Grixis much and I don't have many snails or rats, but it could be a fun bracket 2 deck someday (just slap random equipment on a shapeshifter or something)
>>97305907Why yes, I will enjoy decking myself twice as fast.
Where are her tits?
>>97305921Burned off.
>>97305893Why is this non legendary?
>>97305873I got it from Star City GamesIt was 29 cents eachIt was kind of pricey but they are all NN and pretty much my favorite print of basics so, worth
>>97305907Where's this one come from? Thought I saw all the ones from today
>>97305895>>97305893Why the fuck isn't this legendary this is actually interesting
>>97305912Ah got it. I was considering Wick so I was wondering what you may have had for your list. The Bloomburrow showcases do look pretty good. I so rarely see them in person that I never noticed the borders come together like that. That's genuinely a really cool detail.
I unironically wish it were possible to build a functional deck using only Eldraine, Bloomburrow, and Lorwyn showcase frames (and Enchanting Tales). Peak comfy.
Why is it when I see most lists, people are running Fiery Emancipation over City on Fire?
>>97305940It probably is
>>97305948People own fiery emancipation
>>97305940going to bed soon ill see what i can come up with sometime this week
>>97305440>sickos.jpg
>>97305948Because my deck has a total of three creatures in it, including the commander. Fiery Emancipation is cheaper.
>>97305953>>97305964Fair, just wanted to see if I was missing something.
WUBRG chads eating good
>>97305278Boros CA engine, I like the creative design
>>97305951The biggest issue I see is that you have a fairly restricted roster of possible commanders.
>>97305984>no "if it was cast" clauseAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
How many people in your pod will scoop due to this bitch being played?
>>97306004all of these humility effects bro holy shit soul is back
>>97305984dear lord
>>97306007It's fighting FIRE with FIRE though. They accept that powecreep has become untenable so the response is to make shit uncounterable, avoid damage being prevented, and straight up permanently cripple creatures with good abilities.
>>97306007Humility is the opposite of soul
>Wizards idiot solution to them constantly printing overpowered bullshit is just to make humility effects.
How good is this guy? I genuinely don't know due to being retarded.
Cards that give indestructible are gonna drop to half price.Cards that phase out or give hexproof are gonna double in price.
>>97306026Bad
>>97306014>and straight up permanently cripple creatures with good abilities.good? we've all been complaining about self enabling infinite value engine creatures for years
>>97305984Would Wandering Minstrel could as 5 colors for Aurora Awakener's effect or does it only check casting cost? Other option would be the all color token creatures created with The Minstrel.
>>97306043He's green/blue. Only pips on the mana cost (or color indicator) determine the colors of a spell/permanent
jesus christ UB zoomers need to learn how to play magic
>>97305864Why that sets lands, anon? Some are pretty cool, like the forests and mountains, but the plains are pretty meh.
>>97306026Wonder why they are doing the hybrid mana changes. HMMM COULD IT BE SO YOU CAN RUN MONO COLOR WHILE STILL BEING 5 COLORS FOR ALL THIS BULLSHT?!?!?!
>>97306046Based, thank you.>>97306049Cringe boomer.
>>97305984my body is ready
>>97306052thats not good for red OR blue decks. it's not even really good for prosper who gives you a handjob for casting from exile
>>97305921That's a dude, Ashlong
>>97305865don't encourage degenerates
>>97306040>self enabling infinite value engine creaturesThat's not going away though, dipshit. It's never going away. It's just going to become mandatory to start running Humility effects to counterplay the valueslop that they will continue to print.
>>97306088Could have at least gone the same route as Olivia.
>>97306095Y-you mean I have to interact with my opponent? Mark Rosewater shall be hearing about THIS!
>>97306046>>97306043it's every color on mana cost or text ability.wandering minstrel is 5 color, same way Terra is 5 color.
>>97306108>it's every color on mana cost or text ability.Shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
>>97306105No I won't because I'll be comboing off turn 1
>>97306108Wouldn't that recognition be only for commander's color profile compared to checking color among a permanent as the new card says?
>>97306108color identity =/= colorcolor identity has no in game effect and only exists as a concept for EDH deck construction rulesalso see >>97306049 and please kys
>>97306108Color of the spell/permanent is pips or color indicator. You are objectively wrong.
>>97306108His color identity is 5 colors.The actual cards color is just UG
>>97306110>giving people purposefully bad information on a cardboard transgender gameThe rules state clearly, any color on mana cost or text. You'll have to cope.
>>97306105>Y-you mean I have to interact with my opponent?No I mean you have to buy whatever UBslop staples they print to counterplay the other UBslop staples they printed and this cycle will continue until Magic is just Yugioh
>>97306121Not if your playgroup agrees to not run cards from UB sets.
>>97306120>everyone telling you how wrong you are>"I know, I'll double down!!!!!!"Terrible bait.
>>97306123Enjoy only playing sets released before 2027 then. You can call your new format PreModern2
>>97305888What would be there stat? Note for maximum flavor they should be prime numbers.
>>97306171Damn I wish that wasn't just an Instant. Would go hard as an enchant
>>97306089But I'm a coomette buyer too anon
>+2>This effect doesn't endI'm dumb with layers. If I flicker the creature, will the game's memory lose the changeling effect due to it being a "new" object? Or do you take "doesn't end" literally?
>>97306214I think the intended point is once it changes zones it will lose the effect, but wizards made Nadu and he was retarded so this is probably also unintentionally retarded.
>>97305864All basics should have flavor text
>>97306223Writing team is not paid that much these days.
>>97306231>These daysSeems the only day it was was during D&D shit
>>97306187Buy an ad
>>97306233Because they already had reference material written for that ever since Forgotten Realms was established and developed.
>>97306238No one would see it.
>>97306214the changling effect will fall off if you flicker it, but it will stay an active effect so long as the targeted creature remains on the field, even if oko gets removed.
He doesn't seem that good in retrospect
>>97306251I wanted to build him solely because of this version, but he seems boring as fuck.
>>97306245>but it will stay an active effect so long as the targeted creature remains on the field, even if oko gets removed.Yeah that part I understand just fine, but it's weird how they included a "this does not end" reminder text
>>97306261Most effects like that are temporary until the end of the turn or use a counter to show that the effect is permanent. A permanent effect that doesn't use counters and doesn't fade is something that players might miss, so it can use the reminder text.Pic related is a good example of a card you might assume fades at the end of the turn, but is permanent.
>>97306276>Pic related is a good example of a card you might assume fades at the end of the turn, but is permanent.I wouldn't assume anything. Any card more than like 10 years old I immediately check the oracle text for all errata/updated text+rulings
>>97306287Okay well the card's printed text and its oracle text are exactly the same.Despite that, a sorcery that gives a stat pump and keyword is one you might likely assume ends at the end of the turn, because the majority of them do.
>>97306297Okay well you posted the digital-only updated version. If I see the ACTUAL card drop I'm absolutely checking for anything just in case
>>97305893>>97304838>Wizard>Sorcerer Make up your mind.
>Lorwyn spoilers starting>several changelings are getting posted>none are 6cmcIs that anon still here? Is he getting nervous??
>>97306316Wizard is someone who has spent a long time to learn how to do magic.A sorcerer is someone who can do magic innately, and are concerned by a half-brick in a sock.They are not the same.
>>97306330at least in dnd terms, which, ya know, wotc.
cEDH meta is shaking
>>97306344By what, the stupid hexer?They already had ways to stop countering and weren't running them.
>>97306354We still haven't seen any treefolk yet, right?
>>97306354God I love cycles so much. I wish every set had them
>>97306386None in the official post I don't think, at least one in the leak posted earlier
>>97306050>Why that sets lands, anon? Some are pretty cool, like the forests and mountains, but the plains are pretty meh.I think the big mana symbol centered in the text box is weird and not great design. I prefer lands from Revised or lands like this one which overall the frame/box looks more visually appealing to me. Some of the full art cards are ok but for non-fullart these and Revised are kind of it for me.
>>97306214Wait a second... Oko is a faerie from Lorwyn, right? So why does he get shifted by the aurora? Faeries were the only ones immune to the shift from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor in the old lore.
>not a creature>The Grand Calcutron can be your commander.>had to be erattad this wayIs this just one of those "because we said so" bullshit rulings that Wizards did? What reason could they possibly have?
>>97306450>What reason could they possibly have?it'd be fun(ny)
>>97306450>Joke card from a joke setClearly was done because its super serious
>>97306450Legalize un-commanders
>>97306508Most of them are 100% playable and have no reason to be banned. Whatever happened to that "gray border project" that was announced?
>>97306121Humility effects predate UB by- well actually the very first expansion set was UB so I suppose they don't
>>97306516Died when WOTC had to take over. Now we get legalized hybrid mana and brackets instead
>>97306524>Humility effects predate UBNO FUCKING SHIT ANONBUT WE'VE NEVER HAD EFFECTS THAT JUST REMOVE ABILITIES PERMANENT WITH NO WAY TO REMOVE IT OR INTERACT WITH IT, AND NOW WE'VE SEEN 2 IN THE SAME SET AND THE WHOLE SET HASN'T EVEN BEEN PREVIEWED YETFUCKYOU'RE SO STUPID
uh oh melty
>>97306541i mean we've had stuff that flips cards over into bullshit nothing, oko elking commanders and other such things before.
>>97306567Dogshit bait.
>>97306095Good.
>>97306541>You can't interact with it?????????????????????????
>>97306582>inb4 "errrrrm not letting it resolve is how you interact with it"
>>97306583I cast ephemerateresponse?
>>97306585Yeah bro, love casting that in my gruul deck.
>>97306587Conjurer's closet
>>97306588Yeah let's make a 5 mana artifact a staple because the game's meta is so fucked, sounds like a great idea.
>>97306541Run protection
>>97306652The only thing that will stop the giant from interacting with your board is a counterspell, ETB stopping, and phasing out in response. That's not a very easy task for most colors.
White deserves to be the best color followed by red. Greeniggers get the rope. Black boys deserve to be buck broken. Blue players can transcend to the past when force of will was good. Also the hybrid mana rules change is based and they WILL unban dockside and karakas to celebrate the arrest of maduro.
>>97306664Why is this a problem?
>>97306669based and fit in pilled
>>97306675Big picture, it's not, but you can't say "run protection" as a response when protection is so limited
>>97306664Oh I thought we were talking about the owl.The giant is a also 7 mana in white, you should have an engine online by that point that can mitigate its impact or, failing that, boardwipe and rebuild fairly quickly.Giant is scary in a whiteroom scenario, but if you think for 5 seconds about the table politics, whoever runs it out is going to be instantly focused to death by every other remaining player out of fear of it being flickered/revived repeatedly and not allowing any of them to play.If you're a hardcore Timmy and exclusively run decks that are dependent on creatures, I can see the concern.
>>97306669>black boys deserve to be buck brokenDon't threaten us with a good time
>>97306679Ive been playing for over a decade and have been enduring the state of affairs since I found out I couldnt play augury adept in my archangel avacyn deck but could play blind obedience. Losing dockside and manacrypt due to a bunch of fruity femenists was a joke but I'll be the one laughing when my karnstruct with a shadowspear activates its hypermode(duelists heritage) after my dockside is once again allowed to resolve.
>>97306733
>>97306450This actually seems fun and interesting. I love cards and commanders that completely warp the game for everyone.
>>97306688>The giant is a also 7 mana in white, you should have an engine online by that pointHow many fucking times do we have to make this same point:MANA VALUE MEANS NOTHINGEspecially in white which has excellent graveyard recovery. People play 13 mana Eldrazi, no one hard casts them. You fool. You buffoon.
>>97306675>>97306683Not it actually is a problem.If WotC’s solution to valueslop creatures is just to run cards that remove an ability for the rest of the game, it actually is a problem if only some colors can defend against that. Those colors either become literally unplayable or have to get their own broken mechanic to balance things out
>>97306328Presuming that guy's plan was Angel of Glory's Rise he could always pivot to Changeling Hero and make the switch from human to Angel on 5 mana instead of 6 like he wanted. The question becomes which 6 cost angel to serve as the best link for the plan.
>>97306707>Ive been playing for over a decadeyou have to be over 18 to post here anon
>>97306766>Especially in white which has excellent graveyard recovery.No it doesn't, all it's graveyard recovery is overcosted, or temporary like Rally the Ancestors. White also has no cards like buried alive or entomb that allow you to easily put the giant in your graveyard. This shot costs 7, Flesh Norn, Grand Cenobite costs the same and is better 90% of the time and you never hear anyone moaning about that card.
>>97306707You hybridchangefags are OBSESSED with Extort.It’s not a contradiction, that text is treated like it’s not there. It doesn’t exist. They only print it because there a billion fucking mechanics in this game because they stupidly still add new mechanics every fucking set knowing full well that no one will ever remember what they do by keyword alone
>>97306733Voice of Victory isnt legal anon. It creates red tokens.
>>97306782Honestly it'd have to be something not intimidating in order to survive the turn cycle. This one's not a bad idea, senpai
>>97306785>he thinks it's going to be played in monowhite lmao
>>97306791>smirking_emoji.jpg
>>97306793I was thinking this one just because it also gives you a human for the purposes of human tribal.
>>97306778Splash, then?>b-b-but in my format I can'tSounds like a "your format" issue. Consider fixing that by allowing the splashing of off color cards. Say, 3 or 5 per deck.Otherwise fucking deal with it.
>>97306791Halo Fountain produces selesnya citizens and you gotta deal with it.
Is anyone hype for Lorwyn?I will likely try to prerelease it. The only card I need is Bitterbloom Bearer. Otherwise Im not the biggest fan of the storybook art style. Its ok but I liked Tarkir art more. The gimmick where you pay to flip cards is kind of dogshit lets be real. The owl student seems kind of cool.
>>97306846Lack of memes is making me sad
>>97306846I think it's interesting that Lorwyn block was incredibly hated when it came out and now everyone is acting like it's some beloved setting they always wanted to return to.
>>97306863So exactly like Kamigawa?
>>97306766Setting up a way to cheat in a creature still takes time and effort that can be disrupted. it's arguably worse for the giant to land on the board early when its ability doesnt affect as many creatures and people still have the removal from their opening hand. I know it's scary, but I promise that outside the whiteroom it's not gonna be that big a deal.
>>97306846I'm extremely interested in seeing what -1/-1 support we'll be getting but honestly cards nowadays are so pushed and boring it's hard to get hype. Auntie Ool is another do thing draw card 3 color slop pile that didn't need to be more than 2, so I doubt I'll be getting too many mono-B goodies for my yandere waifu deck.
>>97306846I'm extremely hyped for another counter removal for my Shilgenar deck. It already shits out blood tokens, I just need more ways to remove the finality counters so I can keep mass reanimating all my creatures
>>97306541You're basically seething over Ixidron, anon. Let that sink in.
>>97305399Neat.
>>97306846Luv fairy talesLuv tribalHate UBSimple as
>>97306895Is that the precon symbol? What else has been legitimately leaked from this? I need to see what I preordered
>>97306918>Hate UBObsessed
>>97306869Kamigawa was a beloved setting with people sad about its low power level. Lorwyn was hated for its setting, it's low power level, introducing a bunch of weird tribes that had no synergy with previous sets and introducing the scourge known as planeswalker cards to the game. Reddit and /edh are now both acting like Lorwyn was a universally beloved block everyone can't wait to return to, when in reality it was one of the most hated blocks ever im both art design and card power level.
>>97306921>Is that the precon symbol?I assume so>What else has been legitimately leaked from this?A TON of cards got leaked, they're all over the place by now
>>97306925many blocks were hated when they came outLorwyn aged better than most
>>97306924Troon response
>>97306927Show meeeee wheeeereAnd I mean legitimate leaks like that. Where some Mexican has cracked something in a warehouse and taken pics. None of this “spoiler” shit where they just email high rez scans to influences
>>97306930Are the troons in the room with us right now?
>>97306933>Show meeeee wheeeereWhat the fuck? Bitch google it are you fucking serious?
>>97306933Try youtube
How to positively id bad players:They allow you to have an extra turn off ExpropriateThey say things like 'cEDH is a meta'They discuss decks in terms of bracketsThey like generous giftThey run 38 lands in a non-landfall deckThey have a landfall deckThey take a 2nd free mulligan
Its gambling time. Which of these sets has the most fun collector booster boxes?TLAEOETDMDFTDSK
>>97306918>Luv tribalI have bad news for you
>>97306925>OG Kamigawa was hated for its too faithful setting that casuals couldn't understand it (what the hell is a baku or a fucking honden)>its low power level, introducing a weird tribe that had no synergy with previous sets (spirits)>and also introducing the scourges known as Ninja of the Deep Hours (pauper) Umezawa's Jitte (lol banned in multiple formats), Sensei's Divining Top (time waster extraordinaire), Gifts Ungiven (this card scared the fucking pants off of you for the longest time), Kiki-Jiki Mirror Breaker and Azusa Lost but Seeking (HAHA LANDFALL) to the game>Reddit and /edh/ are now both acting like OG Kamigawa was a universally beloved block everyone can't wait to return to, when in reality it was one of the most hated blocks ever in both art design and card power level.Yep, exactly like OG Kamigawa, got it.
>>97306925>when in reality it was one of the most hated blocks ever im both art design and card power level.
>>97304342You forgot one
>>97304302>TQIm a newfag and I dont know what this means.
>>97307045It means you can take cards with hybrid mana pips if atleast 1 color of each pip is in your commander's color identity.
>>97306958>They allow you to have an extra turn off Expropriate>They take a 2nd free mulliganall wrong except these two>inb4 t. bad player
>>97307049>>97307045OP is meming. Its not happening.
>>97307051Agreed. That anon shits his pants, goes into game stores, and gets mad when people tell him he smells.
>>97306448Faeries did get shifted just slightly. There personalities remained mostly the smae but their boy and wing colors changed.
>>97306339In Magic terms a wizard is someone who learns magic by studying. Sorcerer is probably replacing shaman who was supposed to be a mage who learns magic by experience.
New sultai fairy and elf commander.
>>97307145Does that mean green faeries are back on the menu?
>>97307155It's supposed to marry the two tribes of the set black and green elves and blue and black fairies.
>>97307145I think this is better than the other sultai theft commander because it gives you something to build around besides the theft part
>>97306892>Auntie Ool is another do thing draw card 3 color slop pileSuck my whole fucking ass. I waited years for a real commander for this shit. Slop this, slop that, do you have any idea how useless the existing Jund commanders are for this strategy? I tried over and over to build this exact deck and every legend at the helm was a useless piece of junk and a total dead weight that sunk the deck. I really don't give a fuck that Auntie Ool drives my car and does my taxes, none of the other jund commanders are worth a shit for this. Go play your shitty waifu deck you fucking poser, she's better off without the -1/-1 counters anyway just play generic minus toughness removal it's better there.
>>97307220>waa waa why can't I play every theme in every color combokill you are self, mi amigo
>>97307266But I can play it now, anon. Absolutely rich that a Massacre Girl roach has the nerve to pop out of the woodwork to bitch about do thing draw card designs when her card does just that.
Which commander do you think is better, pic related or https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/6487ccbf-f6cd-45a6-8514-2c458b655ef2.jpg?1686963765 ?I wanted to play an old wizard commander but all of the Gandalfs seem to suck ass.
>>97307266(you)
>>97306095It won't cripple my gigantasaurus
>>97306570Uh. Okay.
>>97307220>>97307273Cute someone who can't build decks without relying on 3 color slop crutching dares to call other people's decks shitty lmao -1/-1 doesn't even need red you just want to build goodstuff slop piles
Zangiefag here: pic related just triggers once for the entire block phase, correct? I assume it's not per creature blocking.
>>97307618how about (you) slop on my cock, retard.
>got everything I need to make a new deck>begin sorting>I need to cut againI HATE CUTTING I HATE CUTTING I HATE CUTTING
>>97307618>3 color slopYou are aware you're playing THE 3 color format, right anon?
>>973076913-color only became slop after the first Tarkir set didn't even try to better define the wedge identities. Arguably Alara did more damage but they at least have tried different stuff beyond those original (weak) identities. Basically every time we return to ravnica the color pie gets a little bit worse
>>97307691He knows, he just loves shitting up /edhg/ till it matches his skin color.
>>97307701youre free to explain why auntie ool needs to be red for any reason other than sloppa ill wait
>>97307718you don't care. esl. you'll just spam the word slop like you a retarded pokemon.
>>97307718It burns people like a red card does. Or do black and green suddenly passively burn shit?
>>97307628it triggers whenever a creature becomes blocked, by one or more creatures
>>97307628just once per combat regardless of number of creatures
>>97307628Yes. It needs to say "blocked by a creature" to get multiple triggers.
need to cut 10 cards before game night. Any help/critisism is appreciated. No infinites or gamechangers due to pod rules, might still add gamble for thematic reasons. https://moxfield.com/decks/6ZAXS_X6YUShpaMZZuE6Rw
>>97307796>no infinitesTotally understandable.>no GCfaggots.
Guys, I have a problem, I need advice.I want to make a 5 colors EDH bracket 2 dragon deck. The Ur-Dragon would have been perfect for me, but then I learned that people hate it and that it's probably too powerful because of Eminence.Tiamat isn't an option either because I don't like tutors.O-Kagachi is nice as one of the 99 but sucks as a commander.Scion of the Ur-Dragon is either shit or an absurd machine combo, neither of which I like.Niv-Mizzet has nothing to do with dragons.Morophon is horribly boring, I'm so sick of him, already played him as a commander for angels and for slivers before.Ramos feels meh.Are Esika and Jodah, Archmage Eternal the only reasonable options for a 5 colors EDH bracket 2 dragon deck? Or should I say fuck and play the Ur-Dragon regardless? Is the Ur-Dragon really as disgusting as people say?
>>97307890why did you consider ur dragon to begin with, if you don't want to play those alternatives?
>>97307895Mainly because its effects specifically reward you for having a deck filled with dragons. This isn't the case of O-Kagachi or Esika for example.Also because, as I said, I don't like tutors (Tiamat, Scion of the Ur-Dragon) and I do like big static effects.
>>97307913consider the non-WUBRG options like Miirym (also very strong) and Ureni
>>97307952I did, and I actually made a Miirym/Ureni deck because of that. But I have many cool white or black dragon cards (not to mention Call of the Spirit Dragons) that I'd also like to play and can't in those decks
>>97307890The Ur dragon is probably the last egregious example of eminence (at least it the first few cards) because it just lowers the costs of creatures that generally cost too much anyway. He can cheat in some cards that can put you super far ahead, but aside from them, I never found him too overwhelming.It's also not like nothing happens in bracket 2. Many strong commanders and cards are still perfectly fine to play. Games can also get out of control pretty quickly. Just not as quick as higher brackets.
>>97307887the other way aroundwho the fuck cries about 5-6 card infinites
>>97307890>Niv-Mizzet has nothing to do with dragons.how about niv-mizzet reborn with a bunch of 2-color dragons? it's kinda like doing tiamat but without the tutor part
>>97307973Yeah, I thought about that too. Then I counted how many exactly 2-colors dragons there are. In my deck currently, only 13. I'd have to remove so many cool dragons, and ultimately the question would become "why am I even playing dragons rather than just other kinds of 2 colors cards"
>>97307986because it's a casual format, so you can play the 2-colour tarkir dragons all in one deck and use 2-colour support to bridge them together
>>97307746ur right anon black has zero drain and burn effects at all
>>97307887Reminder that the people who hate infinites are the same people who hate playing against simic
>>97307019Zoomer noobs like you shouldn't talk about things they know nothing about.
>>97306925Lorwyn was loved why we rewriting history thar you likely weren't even alive for zoomieI see lorwyn is adding "free spells" to the mix. Counters, tokens, and free spells is all this game is now fuck sakes
>>97305355Azula is great, but I do think she's rather difficult to build and play, especially considering you can't really swing all your opponent to dead at the same time. Once one person goes, you're public enemy number one.
>>97308297...OH GOD LOOK A FREE SPELL RAVNICA WILL NEVER RECOVER FROM THIS
>>97308465This isnt a free spell anon. Are you genuinely too stupid to know what's being referred to here?
>tfw you turn 0 Gitaxian Probe the guy who doesnt like people touching his cards and he scoops
>>97308492What free spells are there in Lorwyn?
>>97308497>yes anon I am too stupid to figure out what's being referred to hereGrim.
>>97308496...Gitaxian Probe is a sorcery.
>>97308507Can you literally point me at even one free spell in Lorwyn? Just the one.
>>97308509he read part of the effect box and instantly left
>>97308520No i dont think i will seeing as multiple spoilers fitting this have been posted in this thread. Youre disingenuous and stupid not a good combo fella
>>97308531Literally name just one. You can't, you retard, because there are none. This set doesn't have a single free spell in it.
>>97308550Youre actually and literally and genuinely and figuratively and metaphorically and spiritually just retarded anon. Just sad. They've been peppering them in in all the sets recently but whew overboard from lorwyn reveals.
>>97308550NTA but he's whining about Goliath Daydreamer
>>97308564That's so retarded. I thought it was at least bitching about the MH3 elementals since they're from Lorwyn.
>>97308564Wrong! Try again. Lets see how many you can name before you can name the card that actually inspired it. >>97308576Generic free value is much worse game design than evoke elementals.
>>97308605No i dont think i will seeing as multiple spoilers fitting this have been posted in this thread. Youre disingenuous and stupid not a good combo fella
>>97308561Free spell is a spell you can cast without paying its mana cost. A spell that you have to pay and that lets you cast other things without paying their costs is not a free spell. Mizzix's Mastery is not a free spell. Omniscience is not a free spell.
>>97308605Looks like it's just two.
>>97308619Not all the spoilers are on scryfall. Leaked ones usually dont go up til they have official ones. Look through the threads anon :)>>97308614>without paying mana costThats a free spell. You can be as disingenuous as you want anon.>>97308610Okay? This makes no sense, way to let everyone know youre seething anon.
>>97308550Some people see the words "without paying its mana cost" and immediately go insane without considering the context, setup, and conditionals preceding these abilities. To them it's "free" and "cheating" simply because you aren't turning lands sideways. Sad to see, but there isn't yet a cure for stupid.
>>97308641>get called out for whining about giants>uhh ur seethingKekw
>>97308641>Thats a free spell. You can be as disingenuous as you want anon.A free spell is a spell I can cast without paying a mana cost. If I am paying 3R to cast a spell I did pay a fucking mana cost you retard
>>97308648Ah yes the good ol condition of>did you play this spell already?>okay play it again for free!>did you gain life in your lifegain centric deck? >okay play some stuff for free!The only brain damage here is you pretending it isnt free because it requires a pittance of setup. That doesnt change that the payoff is free value, which is incredibly boring design.>>97308658A free spell is a spell you can cast without paying its mana cost. Just cause its the second time you casted it doesnt make it magically not free now you fucking moron.
Get fucked non-tribal players
>>97308452Yeah that is the case, I killed one friend in my pod for 64 damage and then died in the next two turns. She's fun but I really don't see myself winning a game with her which is alright imo.
>>97308669>free spell is a spell you can cast without paying its mana cost. Just cause its the second time you casted it doesnt make it magically not free now you fucking moronIf I paid a mana cost to cast a spell then it's not free, you idiot. I paid 2RR for the giant so he could let me cast the spells. That is a mana cost. You're just retarded.
>not until end of turnWhat the fuck
>>97308680oh yeah?
>>97308680I only control one creature anyway.
Today I learrned this is a free card
>>97308683Oh so now its the giants mana cost that makes them not free lmao. Ill just leave it here cause its painfully obvious you know you are arguing a losing position seeing as how fast you changed your tune. Following this logic free spells dont exist anywhere in magic besides 0 cost ones, and thats clearly a ludicrous position to hold.
>>97308693Yea, game ender for sure
>>97308693I guess they have just completely given up trying to avoid untrackable modifiers on shit. It's like this was made for a mobile card game
>>97308669>A free spell is a spell you can cast without paying its mana costSo... not either of these? It itself costs mana. The fact it makes other stuff free doesn't make it itself a free spell. Is this a free spell because I can then cast 1 mana artifacts for free?
>>97308699No? But it lets you play cards for free.... But according to this guy, it actually doesnt let you play anything for free cause you paid omnisciences cost and thats a cost.>>97308683You retards are shooting eachother here lmao
>>97308717>it actually doesnt let you play anything for free cause you paid omnisciences cost and thats a costIt's not a free spell on itself. It makes other things free. If I buy a membership that gives me a discount in a product the membership itself wasn't discounted. Learn basic grammar.
Today I learned Walmart Plus is free too
>>97308702>Oh so now its the giants mana cost that makes them not free lmao>just because I need to pay a card's mana cost, doesn't mean it's not a free spell!?????
Reminder that Magic was ruined by free spells before most of the people in this thread were born
Today I learned the free samples at Costco aren't free.
>>97308737Urza block was such a clusterfuck of game mechanics most people here will not remember. I started at that time so I look back on it fondly, but WotC has never been good at recognizing busted cards before printing them.
>>97308716You may want to re read the cards anon :) they quite clearly say "without paying their mana costs". That is free spells.>pic relatedNo. Only a genuine retard could think that is logically consistent with what's being discussed.>>97308723Okay? And how is this relevant anon? I never said the giant was free. I said it lets you cast cards for free. And it objectively does. Arguing this is arguing against the literal wording of the card. Get a hobby I beg of you>>97308735>you may cast for free>but you need to pay the mana costNope! Thats what "you may cast without paying its mana" means anon. Free! Genuinely baffling how this is confusing some of you. The cards quite literally state>without paying mana costsThat is free spells. No amount of jewish word games will change this fact.
>>97308737>5 mana to shuffle your library and flip the top card and hit a land.This is a bad card.
>>97308764Alright, so, if that is your definition of free spell, then they aren't being added in this set and have been in pretty much every single set since this game's invention
>free spell that lets you cast 6 additional free spellsI'M GOING INSANE AAAAAAAAA
>>97308764>ctrl+f "cast cards for free">laugh at the resultBwhahahahaha
>>97308790I never said they were being added in the set? I said this is a recent trend in design. +1/+1 counters also weren't added in any set, or drawing cards. But design centering around +1/+1 counter and "do thing draw card" (also an old "mechanic") are becoming increasingly common in design.... which is what I said you fucking dipshit.>>97308791Its just objectively bad and boring design anon its okay if youre too young to get this.
>>97308790NTA but technically freeschizo originally alleged that this set is continuing a trend he doesn't like in force, not introducing it
>>97308818
>>97308749Free spells win me gamesDo free samples at costco help me win against hunger? Nooooooo
>>97308749Of course they're not, they're a benefit included in the price of the membership. You need the membership to get in the door and access the samplesMuch like paying for a creature who later enables you to cast free spells if you meet certain conditions and if nobody interacts with it
>>97308699>Today I learrned this is a free cardThis is probably closer to what that retards talking about
>>97308869>enables you to cast free spells>free spellsEven when you try to argue against me you quite literally write out what I am drawing contention with lmao. Yes FREE SPELLS>>97308885Both are doing exactly what I described the fact you think one is "closer" is fucking hilarious. Both give endless generic free value >closerIm actually discussing this game with morons holy shit
Another staple for my Azula
>>97308928Do you just read the word "without paying its mana cost" and have a seizure? Is reanimation also unforgivable bad design for you?
>>97308928Tbf you have to act like a moron to communicate with the mentally retarded
>>97308958FUCK IS THAT A FREE SPELL?! AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Goliath allows you to exile instants or sorceries with the dream counter>but the trigger to cast them from exile only occurs when the giant attacksSo is exiling sorceries with this thing useless without a separate enabler to let you cast them at instant speed, or is this one of those wordings that allows you to ignore cast timing rules for the sorceries? I can never tell.
>>97308982>or is this one of those wordings that allows you to ignore cast timing rules for the sorceries?You get to ignore timing on this one
>>97308964Im not talking about reanimation anon. Free value is bad design. Reanimation is not free value.>>97308965That doesnt make sense anon because what im discussing is literally word for word written on the card. Free value is bad design.>>97308982If a card like this doesnt state a time frame within which you can cast that card (eg. Until end of turn) then the rule is you can cast it ignoring all (relevant self imposed) cast restrictions. So timing yes, through an opponents resolved mandate of peace, no.
>>97306185So you could bounce/flicker your enchantment to revert back all your non-land permanents to what they used to be?
>>97309009>Free value is bad design.>yes i hate infinites, control decks, simic, reanimator, artifact.dec, enchantress...
the spells are free because I can print them out and play with them without paying money.
>>97308693>I mean, its kinda strong I guess.>Read it again>Its not just your stuff it can target, it can target anything that isn't an aura>Including lands.
>>97309032Nice non sequitur the level of retardation one must have to think this is a relevant response is staggering.
>>97309084>you can turn all your nonlands into landsI mean, I guess, but why?
>>97309087>wtf the free value is insane!>>97304983>w8 it's gonna be in mono white soon too?!?!?!?!>gaaaaaaavvviiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnn
>>97309105Because someone told you to and now your commander is a swamp or something.
>>97309084>turn random tokens into islands>turn random tokens into tropical islands>turn random tokens into command towersIm foreseeing people playing this for about two weeks after release and then dropping it after they turn their own commander into a land by mistake
>>97306026>5 paragraph essay for a mediocre effect that makes you shuffle every turnWhy? Who designed this?
>>97309116Lets be real, if the blue player taps out to cast that, and don't have a free counterspell, and you redirect it, they deserve it.
>>97308710They gave up on that when they printed Ivy.
>>97309105For ramp of course
>>97309084>hive mind it with the worst possible upkeep trigger creature you can get out or any shitty legendary
>>97309220>Hive Mind>Each of those players may choose new targets for their copy.
>>97309009Reanimator literally is free spells. I can reanimate and get to skip paying 9 mana for my Valgavoth. Don't see why it specifically is exempt from your seething.
>>97309228Why do you think he posted the image he posted
>>97309220I feel turning everyone's board into Flagbearers is going to be a colossal chore.
>>97309118Nah it'll be abused with flicker effects.
>>97309239Yeah, that doesn't actually work. Oracle text:>While an opponent is choosing targets as part of casting a spell they control or activating an ability they control, that player must choose at least one Flagbearer on the battlefield if able.>as part of casting a spell they control or activating an ability they controlCopies aren't cast, so they can target whatever they want.
>>97309237Reanimated is literally not free, in any way.
>flourishing defenses reprint confirmed in lorwyn eclipsed precon>https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/lorwyn-eclipsed-commander-decklistsInvestorbros, we got too cocky...
>>97309237NTA but reanimate costs mana, takes life and the strategy was so powerful for how close it was to free value that wotc started printing oppressive grave hate everywhere. If every color got free counterspells im sure it wouldnt be as big an issue
>>97309319Just like "free spells" aren't free. If paying the cost of the reanimate spell means it isn't free, then paying the cost of the giant and then casting the spell isn't free either.
>>97309369Based wotc absolutely baiting investors
>>97309377>wotc started printing oppressive grave hate everywhereRetard. Tormod's Crypt existed from day 1. Plentiful grave hate predates reanimator being a powerful strategy by like a decade.
>>97309369>>97309392Cant wait for caltrops to appear in MSH! Totes gonna be there fr fr
>>97309395REAPER
>>97309411Didn't mean to reply, but whatever.
>>97309385>without paying its mana cost>paying mana is the same as not paying manaLiterally free. Youd have to have brain damage to disagree with this statement.>>97309395Things existing before does not mean wotc didnt ramp it up. Counters (+1/+1 etc) existed for all of magics history, the abundance of counter design did not. Are you genuinely too dumb to grasp this?
>>97309369elementals precon has some good elementalsblight precon has some good cards for -1/-1 strats that I didn't pick up so Ill grab that as well (first scorpion god reprint? based)
>>97309369>two omnaths>maelstrom wanderer>muldrotha>yarok>and have a realmwalker and a faeburrow elder for free
>>97309425Nobody's dumb here, we just sound dumb to you because nobody is taking you seriously for being a boomer casual kvetching over muh free spells
>>97309425All the best grave hate cards existed long before reanimator was a truly fearsome strategy. Leyline of the Void was printed in Guildpact. Ground Seal was printed in Odyssey. Tormod's Crypt was printed in The Dark. Relic of Progenitus was printed in Shards of Alara, and in recent times they have literally never printed any new grave hate card that remotely compares to any of these.
>>97309411What an absolute glowdown
>>97309425>Literally freeI paid the cost of the giant. I paid the cost of the spell. How is it free? Is Twincast a free spell?
>>97309458Rest in Peace.
>>97309457No you actually are dumb if you dont think wotc ramped up grave hate in response to how oppressive reanimation was because it existed already. Like thats genuine retardation anon.>>97309458Read above dipshit entirely irrelevant to how wotcs design has played out. It pains me you are both to stupid to see thar.
>>97309471Worse then any of these. Printing was RTR, 14 years ago.
>>97309478Weathered Runestone
>>97309470>WITHOUT PAYING ITS MANA COSTYou tell me how this isnt enabling a free spell anon. Conditions arent cost keep that in mind.
>>97309477>ramped up grave hate in response to how oppressive reanimation was because it existed alreadyThey didn't ramp it up you retard all the best grave hate cards existed already. I challenge you to find any recent grave hate card that surpasses Relic of Progenitus.
>>97309478Soulless Jailer
>>97309485>Zombify isnt a free spell duh>but if Zombify put the creature in your hand and allowed you to cast that creature w/o paying its mana cost, then its a free spellHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>97309485Your entire argument hinges on moving the goalposts of what constitutes a "cost". If you don't consider anything besides mana to be a measurement of an action's cost, then we're barely playing the same game.
>>97309478Calamity's Wake
>>97309485I didn't pay the cost of the creature I reanimated with Zombify. So either it's also a free spell or neither are.>>97309497>>97309484Both worse then Relic of Progenitus, Tormod's Crypt and Leyline of the Void. Worse then Ground Seal for green.
>>97309478>worse than Leyline of the Void>lower mana cost, also exiles anything that was already in the yard when it enters
Hehe funni gote
I like this card
>>97309523Leyline fucks the Reanimator player over from turn 0. RIP does not. Reanimator player can go first, go dark ritual + entomb + reanimate turn 1 and there is nothing RIP can do.
>>97309514>Both worse then Relic of Progenitus, Tormod's Crypt and Leyline of the Void. Worse then Ground Seal for green.No they aren't.
>>97309523Every wondered why relic is ~$4 while rip can be gotten for pennies? It isnt because of lack of reprints
>>97309540Sir, this is the EDH thread.
>>97309540>Leyline fucks the Reanimator player over from turn 0.Only if they randomly draw it in their opening hand.
>>97309540
>>97309549Which is why you sideboard it in and mull. Losing 1 or even 2 cards is completely worth it when you unilaterally brick your opponent's gameplan from turn 0.
>>97309555>sideboardWhat thread do you think you're in, exactly?
>>97309553>creature>needs 2 black mana as opposed to 1 generic or 0>does nothing to cards already in the graveworse grave hate.
>>97309562If we're talking about only Commander then literally all those cards suck anyway.
>>97309544Wdym, dark rit entomb reanimate thoracle consult is a bona fide EDH classic
>>97309555No sideboards in edh dumb dumb
>>97309563That's why RIP is the GOAT graveyard hate card
>>97309571>not running grave hate in EDHEnjoy your reaming, I guess. Scavenger Grounds goes in every deck.
>>97309411Hybrid mana simps be like: "Ah yes, a perfect fit for a mono green deck."
>>97309663Yes and? Seethe more.
>>97309663Hybrid mana wimps be like: "Ah no, not a perfect fit for a mono green deck."
>>97309663We aren't doing this again, don't start
>>97309540>go dark ritual + entomb + reanimate turn 1and its just as likely anyone at the table will have a 1 tap removal to use in turn. I had a fading hope when an avacyn got reanimated out. that upset the guy pretty mightily after using all those resources.
>>97309663The solution is and has always been that hybrid mana symbols should be allowed to count as either of their colors, worded that way specifically. Colorless isn't a color and so 2brid would only be able to count as the color that it is.
>>97309691No. I always have it and my opponents never do
>>97309369>necroskitter reprintBased
>>97309691Avacyn dies to path to exile and swords to plowshares kek
>>97309678>>97309681>>97309690You have no arguments. I accept your concessions.>>97309692Since you're the only one even trying: I actually do like that better than any of the proposed alternatives. I'm sure there are still some edge case color pie breaks somewhere out there, though
>>97309722>Didn't provide an argument,>Expects one in returnSmall dick niggas be like
>>97309722>I'm sure there are still some edge case color pie breaks somewhere out there, thoughSure, but there are edge case color pie breaks out there in normal monocolor cards, too. Probably in roughly the same ratio.
>>97309734If you had a single braincell, you would realize I was saying that this is a blatant color pie break and a great example of why hybrid mana doesn't deserve to change, but I wouldn't expect that level of nuance and understanding from a hybridcel
>>97309722> actually do like that better than any of the proposed alternativesIf you dont know, now you know, nigga
>I'm sure there's color pie breaksBeast Within is a pie break by modern standardsChaos Warp was a pie break from moment of printThese are two of the most common removal cards in their colors do you even play the fucking game?
>>97309761>muh color pie break!But enough about Reality Fracture
>>97309715and for edge cases like valgavoth, edict the bitch.
>>97309691I can grab a near unremovable creature like Valgavoth, or simply something that gives me an egregious tempo swing like Atraxa or Archon of Cruelty
>>97309761Aw! Someone's a widdle anggy their peepee is so widdle~
>>97309772>Chaos Warp was a pie break from moment of printwas it? chaos effects seem to e a red staple now
>>97309823It was considered a break, but wotc bit the bullet and accepted it as a bend
>>97309823non-damage based, not "destroy", unrestricted removal is something that red isn't (wasn't) supposed to have
>>97309823>>97309845The issue is hitting enchantments, which most of the subsequent variants specifically can't do.
>>97309578>No sideboards in edh dumb dumbThats just like your opinion man
>>97309532Giving stuff myriad is always a good time.Risen Reef in particular is going to be a nightmare since they all see each other enter.
>>97309532First time I've seen a 5c commander and actually been interested wow. Stacking this with legion loyalty is Christmas as fuck but it would be funny to do once
>>97308682I think you can if you build her around value, but that's just a lot less fun. Her entire gameplan takes me back to playing infect in modern, which is half the fun for me.
>>97308958thankfully it's a cast trigger so the azula copies won't copy again
>>97309532Am I just stupid, or is this basically attacking for 15 for 5 mana? What bullshit.
>>97309369MY 60 CENTS!
The command zone just released a video saying that having inappropriate art accesories is a red flag. Its OVER for coomette enjoyers.
>>97310021>another target elementalIt can't do anything on its own
>>97310021>anotherYeah, you're just stupid.
>>97310021>Frognigger can't readShocker
>>97310026They played with drag queens so their opinion is invalid
>>97310021yeah too bad it's legendary
>>97310026>art accesoriesGood thing the proxies themselves aren't "art accesories"
>>97310026Listening to the command zone is a bigger one, desu
>>97310026>grooming children is GOOD>heterosexual relationships BAD
>>97310043it really is funny they let a bunch of dudes actively masturbate on camera but good golly if you have some big tits on any of your stuff.
>>97309532>Giving beza myriadI am vomit
>>97310026>So depictions of beautiful women aren't allowed? Pretty ableist and stinky.
>>97310026I don't think the people bringing goonerslop to the table care what others think.
>>97310047Proxies are not real cards and are in fact accessories
these commander decks are kinda nuts
>>97310043>>97310047>>97310049>>97310056>>97310089Uh oh, disgusting incel showerless gooners on damage control
>>97310101the efficacy of a card does not change its nature as a game piece. unless you wish to inspect all 300 of the opponent's cards in play every game.
>>97310026They also said not telling players pregame your deck's entire strategy is a red flag rofl
>>97310092There's a difference between a woman with big tits posed sexy but fully covered, and a mana drain where the girl on card is getting a bukkake
>>97310116somethings' getting drained but it aint mana.
>>97310026>a fat american women telling me i can't enjoy things with a smug faceGod american slags are such slampigs, if she matched with you on tinder she'd ask you to choke her while she squeals like a piggy
>>97310113It unironically is because it's a sign of someone that wants to win with a combo but is afraid of people realizing it in advance.
>>97310153WHOOOA do you have an extra? I'll pay you a couple bucks
>>97310113I mean, yeah, I tend to get suspicious when people are trying too hard to obscure what they're doing. If you have a combo win, have the balls to let us know.
>>97310176>Say "This deck has a few combos in" it pregame>"Anyone have a reaction to this, if you don't I'm going to combo off." When its about to happenThat should be enough.>>97310153I believe people use the other proxies that get posted around here. I don't believe you or anyone else actually uses this.
>>97310111 I do not own a single proxy, I just hate the CZ crew
>>97310153Give it like 5 years and this will look tame compared to the actual "special treatment" arts
>"yes people should tell others their entire strat and how to stop it, cant have people pulling the wool on others you know", anons say, as they play with others using chinese bootlegs and never tell them about it
>>97310113do they mean that as in "hehe my deck is a secret and I'm not telling" or "my deck will will aim to swam you with tokens, play and find out"you know, basic rule 0 and pregame stuff?
>>97310113Im telling you a bracket level and an archetype (ramp, tokens, etc) thats itDemand more and i'll demand that we play with our hands revealed
>>97310204>I just hate the CZ crewId ask why but I cant fathom an answer that wouldnt be one of the following:Lol trannies fagsLol rachel fatLol I hate asiansLol normies
>>97310218>people should tell others their entire strat and how to stop itI unironically do this. There's no satisfaction in winning just because people don't know your lines. Winning through resistance and interaction? That's when it counts.
>>97310218While I am disgusted by coom proxies, I do respect them more because it is obvious they are infact running proxies
>>97310248They can know my lines after i show them in the game, i'm not a walking movie spoiler>i still dont trust youYou have bigger problems
>>97310247no, they're annoying and have shit takes that I disagree with
>>97310253That's why i specifically mentioned chinese bootlegs, you know exactly what i mean
>>97310258You're welcome to do what you want, I'm just saying that I typically inform my group of what combos I'm running and which pieces are best to remove while we're shuffling up. Makes it more sporting.
>>97310258>Man my deck is only cool when I play against people that don't know what Balustrade Spy does
>>97310247>troons, aka the mentally ill>libtards that happen to be asian/women>casuals that dont know any betterYes, CZ isnt an outlet to be taken seriously, mtggoldfish has them beat
>>97310258If your deck is only cool the first time you play it, it wasn't a cool deck in the first place.
>>97310286>man i dont want to be blindsided EVERWhen you get hit by balustrade spy once you'll always remember itEver wondered why bracket 2 specifically says telegraphed while 3+ doesnt? Thats for people to know their place, B2 baby
>>97310296If you cant get a general idea of what the opponent is packing just based on the commander alone then it's a literal skill issue and that's not cool
>>97310325Anyway here's my Kenrith deck.
>>97310327>5color goodstuffEasy peasy and if it's a meme like horses thats fine makes it easier for me to win
>>97310334Flashback Dread Return under Voice of Victory get fucked
>>97310340>goodstuff cardsConcession accepted
>>97310276no one cares about your boogeymen.
>>97310288>>libtards that happen to be asian/womenIve watched a lot of their podcast and Ive never heard them say anything political. The only reason you might think this is because they had a tranny on theor show before.
>>97310355Im not the one crying that the opponent wont give me a roadmap on how to beat him btw
>>97310362no one is either, focus on reality for once.
>>97310357>doesnt know who jimmy wong isOof
>>97310372The reality is you dont have the disposable income to afford the cards you're proxying, stop lying to people and yourself too
How are we feeling about this bros?
>>97310377Im aware of him. Ive never heard him say anything political on their show. I have no idea what he says on X or wherever
>>97310404>what if we broke elves even more by releasing Evelyn but busted?
>>97310404>theft tribal>well, guess my commander will just be removed all game and everyone will always swing into meSeems like a trap.
>>97310402when will you grow up, esl?
>>97310437>eslSo much for boogeymen, eh?Inb4 you have a mental breakdown that an esl would have more disposable income than whitey
>>97310404Jesus fucking Christ I am sick of theftshit. Quit casting my fucking cards you greasy handed niggers.
>>97310402My proxy's don't curl anon. Explain to me why I should spend more money on an inferior product.
>>97310325>he only uses paint-by-numbers commandersEmbarrassing.
>>97310404why the cock shadow
>>97310450well since you are the only one who constantly relates cards to wealth, and have a melty when we dismiss you as an esl shitskin, well, its fun for me to watch you spaz out and make the most random of strawmans to win arguments only you are having.
>>97310472Just dont buy foils, retard
>>97310452Zozu that punishes card theft when? Also homeward path/blim fucks these kinda decks hard
>>97310478>i play with sovl so i won in my heart>cool, and i beat you with my paint by numbers deckThe fairest transaction in the world
>>97310472"Explain to me why i should cater to gamers again when data centers are just richer", asks Jensen Huang
>>97310484>esl shitskin in a boardgame general for white peopleLol cry more proxyfag, you'll never get the validation you crave
>>97310487>You're poor if you don't buy this overpriced shitty productI think it's a better use of my capital to just buy the cheaper better product>Of course you shouldn't but the shitty cardboard retard it's a shitty product!Amazing levels of cognitive dissonance is official cardboard worth my money or not?
>>97310237I won't even tell you this much. You can see my commander, you can know my bracket. That's it. Anything else you'll figure out through gameplay.
>>97310530see, like I said, nonsensical strawmans.
>>97310472You're spending more money because it's authentic product, which also applies to others like the fashion industry and luxury bags
>>97310517My brother in christ their big plan with AI is to pour so much resources and make it super duper smart and then ask it how to turn a profit after burning billions. This shit is hopeless
>>97310565I'm not a women the words gucci slapped onto cheap sweatshop garbage holds no value to me
>>97310572So if you can refuse to think of the corp because of cheaper sellers, the corp can likewise refuse to think of the consumer because of richer buyers, it goes both ways
>>97310517When this shit finally pops, it's going to do so like a zit on prom night. Messy, mortifying, but still a relief.
>>97310588But how does this convince me to buy curly cardboard?
>>97310598Because it's *authentic* wotc cardboard, that's literally what you're paying for, and if you think that's silly then bernard arnault wouldnt be as rich as he is>not defending curly cardboard btw
>>97310552Just dont buy foils retard
>>97310608See>>97310582
>>97310623See>>97310552Am I actually interacting with bots?
>>97310552Just buy regular cardboard>i want foils damnitKnow how to take care of wotc foils, aka use airtight containers
>>97310627If you want to progress past my post perhaps you should actually just not buy foils if your complaint is about curling.Non foils are cheaper.They dont curl.Stop strawmanning about foils.
>>97310625It's fine to not hold value in authentic product, but another thing genuine patrons can take heart in is that they sustain the card game, because if everyone proxied then obv the game will die>i still dont careOk F2P player you'll serve as a walking advertisement regardless
>>97310630>Wotc card board is good as long as you immediately triple sleeve them the second they leave the pack!Or, or I could just buy the better product? That's cheaper?
A piece of printer paper at any library in most states cost about 5 cents.If you didn't want to pay much, why are you not just proxying that way?
>>97310654I only single sleeve while playing with foils and storing them in satin towersskill issue i guess
>>97310643Not a very convincing argument I want the special sparkly cardboard and I don't want it to curl and if Wotc can't accomplish that I will go elsewhere
>>97310651what a bitch coward you are, esl.
>>97310659Pain to cut and sleeve without error. I don't mind paying for a nice card and wotc fails to fill that niche
>>97310677Sucks to suck both in arguing and in a children's card game huhehe
>>97310651Make a product I want to buy and I'll buy it. Simple as. My proxies stimulate the game just as much as buying packs because it actually facilitates games.
>>97310681>wotc fails to fill that nicheThey do, if you're willing to gamble. Otherwise you are playing second hand and wizards isn't seeing a cent of.The reality is, you're too poor to actually engage in the hobby honestly, which is why you need bootlegs over printer paper because you need to fool the table.You can pretend all you want that its something else, but we all know the reality is you're just poor.
>>97310692>My proxies stimulate the game just as much as buying packsYou're a good walking advertisement but let's not get ahead of ourselves you dont regularly play limited
>>97310664My wife got me packs for Christmas and that shit curled even inside a sleeve? Why are you trying to bullshit something every single poster in this thread can fact check?
I can't afford to buy a smothering tithe, land tax, and esper sentinel for more than one deck, So I proxy.Simple as.
>>97310710>he didnt store it properlyWhat, you left the sleeved card in your desk or something?Truly ngmi
>>97310708>Walking advertisement I only play amongst friends I don't play at an LGS>limitedOnly time I ever played limited was when I bought a booster box of jumpstart
>>97310734>I don't actually play magic. I only play with my other broke bitch friends.
>>97310734The friends of your friends know about mtg and who knows one of them would be interested in mtg and buy real product>that's ridiculousImagine being this business illiterate
>it's a proxy vs antiproxy melty episodeThank gods the thread is almost done
>>97310719No sorry I didn't open it in a completely dehydrated environment with gloves on and immediately stored it in a vacuum. You know what else is sitting on my desk out in the open no nothing protecting it? My old foilies from the 90s and proxies. Guess how curled they are.
>>97310747I actually play with two giga whales and everyone else spends a pretty decent amount of money. I'm slowly corrupting them to proxies however.
>>97310761>i'm sorryI forgive you
>>97310750I doesn't bother me if they spend their money none of this is convincing me to buy pringles btw
>>97310756They just can't be honest with themselves about why the proxy, let alone the table or with the general.You want to play, but can't afford to keep up with the hobby? Don't worry about it. >ummmm ackstually I'm rich, I just won't by legit cards because blah blah blahNo one is buying that excuse, not now, not ever.
>>97310756It's that or the thread drags on with slow posting because nobody wants to post in a thread that they will get very little (you)s
>>97310777>muhaha i'm corrupting themAs much ss you think you're that edgy the thing about proxies is that it's ethical to use them provided you actually have the income to buy them in the blink of an eye and that you're just using them as stand-ins, that's their original purpose from the old days of 60cards
>>97310800I have over 7000 in cards just from cataloging a fifth of my collection. Wotc doesn't deserve any more of my money
>>97310807Better a slow thread than one filled with pointless, cyclical shit flinging about meaningless garbage that doesn't lead to any learning or change of opinions, and is barely even about the game. We might as well be arguing over waifus like the mobile game generals.
>>97310809NTA but I agree. Im not spending money when I'm just noodling with jank brews. If I like it and its fun I'll pull the trigger.
>>97310846Sure you do bud. Sure you do.
>>97310809>it's ethical to use them provided you actually have the income to buy them in the blink of an eye and that you're just using them as stand-insThey are stand-ins! As in I'll buy the Wotc cardboard when when they stop printing the cards on toilet paper!
>>97304537>150 image limit reachedDang it.I'm baking. I wanna show you my deck.
>>97310501Right, I enjoy playing in a casual multiplayer setting, you enjoy winning in a casual multiplayer game.
>>97310854Id screen shot it for you in the next thread lil bro
>>97310852>noodling with jank brews>aka i dont know how to build a functioning deck and i dont want my wallet to burn because of my ignoranceUm, sorry but skill issue
>>97310879Uh, yes? Thats what I said.
>antiproxy schizo started baiting about an hour ago>assuming he's traditionally employed, he got off work at 5pm about an hour ago in his timezone, give or take a few minutes to get home>it's currently 6:22 in BRT time zone, which encompasses only a strip of Greenland and the most populated region of BrazilSmoking gun, I'd say
>>97310885The point is you dont have to spend nearly as much as you think in real wotc cardboardI have seen far too many decks that would struggle in b1 let alone b2 but their price tags do not justify the price to performance
>>97310879Nta but I build jank engines. If I didn't know how to build decks, I'd just grab something from edhrec and slightly alter it, like so many hacks do. I spend hours combing through cards, adding card, removing them, tweaking. I can build, I just have a budget and a goal of having fun.
>>97310893I like how every unemployed post is just an admission from the poster that they dont work from home
>WotC doesn't deserve a penny from meYou guys understand you don't ever buy directly from wizards outside of secret liars right?Vendor's buy stock, people pay vendors for packs or boxes, then vendors themselves or players crack and post product online as singles.
>>97310915Damn so i actually stimulate the local economy rather than big bad wotc? Cool
>>97310875just post next thread, bro
>>97310915Every time I proxy I fuck over my lgs? Good. Fuck those price jacking faggots who charge me for lands.
>>97310684youre the one who ran away the moment I didn't take your bait, so you tell me, esl.
>>97310964You're not even worth baiting, schizo
>>97310893Smoking gun that you are a schizo.
>>97310977no, you're just shit at it.
>>97310995Thanks for the (You) lolololol
>>97311002Hey thanks for one right back!
>>97311020Cool, so why u so mad again? Kekypow
>>97310893> he doesn't shitpost from workNgmi
>>97311044Don't project esl, I'm just enjoying you scramble for bait.
>>97311066>>97311066>>97311066>>97311066
>>97311061>uh oh he's frothing at the mouth againAbsolute schizophrenic haha
>>97311072Uh oh, your'e having a melty, better triple down, that will get me this time for sure!!!
>>97311089>Uh oh, your'e having a melty, better triple down, that will get me this time for sure!!!
>>97311104Ah a 'no u' from an esl, times never change.
>>97311114You know what wont change though? Your disposable incomeGOTTEM
>>97311126thats fine, I can just proxy cards.your shit skin, however? no helping that.
>>97311134Man if you're this mad about browns then you'll REALLY be mad when they inevitably displace whites because of the latter's low birth rate hahahahaha
>>97310961>how dare a business i choose to patronize make money!
>>97310703I just don't like any of the art for arcane signet so I got better art printed projection anon.
>>97311164I'd call you a cracker if it made you sperg out like shitskin does.
>>97311187Ok nigga lmao
>>97311201>no u againalready at the bottom of the barrel, sad.
>>97311215Your mental health is also rock bottom
>>97311230it could be worse, I could freak out someone called me black.
>>97311243Big if true
