Empty Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97311043 >TQWhat do you think of the spoilers?
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>>97317547Dual lands as double art DFC is insidious to a land collector like me.
Thread QuestionI like the art, even though I don't like some overall design decisions. Both the elves and the kithkin have become more generic.
>>97317547>>TQ>What do you think of the spoilers?They are banking hard on shock lands, rarity bumped bloom tender, and Guay serialized art to sell.They are saving the effort and power for UB cards so people are encouraged to buy and further push a "players love to buy UB" image.
Lorwyn has been hit with the faggy stick.
>>97317890Holy FUCK these are hideous compared to the original lorwyn basics.
>>97317547I think I saw exactly one card I'm interested in, to add to my EDH deck.I'm just going to keep playing my UB reprints in premodern.
>>97317547>TQIt's exactly what I expected (bad)
>>97317890The man in the moon
>TQNeeds more cute elves with horns.
>>97317547>>TQ>What do you think of the spoilers?I think it's weird they're making a few Shadowmoor Kithkin green and a few Shadowmoor Merfolk white. I get that it's only a single set and they chose draftability over flavor.
Premodern.
Remember when MtG had soul?https://youtube.com/watch?v=mzBrfW7Ipzg
>>97318034didn't you like the Lorwyn trailer? I thought it was nice.
>>97318034MtG lost it's soul before Food tokens
>>97318015See >>97317716
My soul is in the Cauldron.
>TQ:I am a mono red aggro enthusiast. I am going to play this one card, and pretty much ignore the rest of the set. It will go great in my Brawl deck.
>>97317918I feel more like this
What should we do to recover MTG soul? Specially after pic related...
>>97318069What activated abilities do you have, anon?
>>97318034Eldraine is a horrid themepark set that started the stream of endless slop we're now swimming in. If you're unironically nostalgic for Oko, Once Upon a Time, Embercleave, Fires, etc. go take some fucking brain medicine.
>>97318100tap to tap your mum
>>97317547I was half-excited for Lorwyn until it became a field trip background for Strixhaven
>>97318230True. I can't understand why we need Strixhaven in literally 3 sets in a row.
>>97317547>TQpretty much what i expected to set to be a small handful of neat cards and then some of the gayest and most boring shit ive ever seen with nostalgia bait sprinkled around
>>97317547This was supposed to be the best set of the WHOLE YEAR. Our last hope, the set that will make us forget for months about the storm of shit incoming upon this game...None of that has been accomplished by Nu-Lorwyn
>>97318240Because Reality Fracture will reset the Timeline but remove all the old Planeswalkers from reality. Thus setting the stage for the StrixHaven crew to take over
>>97318079Reject all UB. Do not buy it, do not play with people who buy it. Shame them, for they are shameful. Only through vigilance can this rot be stopped and, eventually, expunged.
Does the goblin Strixhaven student turn psychotic when the plane turns into Shadowmoor? It has to happen like that right? It has to be a negative consequence of interplanar travel that some places are incredibly hostile to some races.
>>97318336Who even are the Strixhaven characters? I remember the nignog bazinga reddit genius and the gay history elephant
>>97318230>literally five (5) cardsReal Princess and the Pea hours over here.
>>97318357There's also a deaf wizard or something, basically LGBT Superfriends with disabilities and mental issues.
>>97318355>when the plane turns into Shadowmoor?That's not how it works any more. Rather than the entire plane shifting with the aurora, Eirdu and Isilu bring the day and night with them as they move across the plane. Day and night, and therefore Lorwyn and Shadowmoor, are location-based, and it's therefore possible to stay ahead of the line between day and night and always remain in one--and that's what most of the students do.Also, Sanar (do not redeem) is a goblin from another world, not a Lorwyn boggart. Creatures form other planes don't inherently have a Lorwyn self and a Shadowmoor self, which Morcant makes use of in sending Kirol to retrieve Dawnglow from a Shadowmoor region.
>>97317890So, have they at all explained who went around terraforming Lorwyn's landscapes into Kaladesh?What the fucking shit this looks NOTHING like Lorwyn.
>>97318072They should print a blue version of nowhere to run that reads "2U spells that can't be countered can be countered. Players and spells with hexproof lose hexproof. When this enchantment enters counter target spell unless it's controller pays 3"
>>97318042No. Watching Jim Henson's legacy be smeared into the dung heap that is MTG was not nice.
>>97318428Remember to also include>Create a tapped treasure token
>>97318366Does the "make everyone gay and retarded " business model for fiction still sell in 2026? Or at least sell stock?
>>97318442It hasn't sold before 2026 either
>>97318230>I was half-excited for Lorwyn until it became a field trip background for StrixhavenYeah that basically killed ALL hype I had for the product. I barely wanted them to return to Lorwyn in the first place, but having the plane be butchred WHILE being relegated to set dressing for the Strixhaven Scooby Gang?I have only one response:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QxIIz1yEsA
>>97318438No this one will make a 1/1 blue fairy creature token, or a lander token if the spells controller pays the 3. If the spells controller controls an island, you explore and then investigate if you've activated any exhaust abilities this match.
>>97318446But it sold stock or something to big financial backers.
>>97318462The token can't block creatures without flying
>>97317547>What do you think of the spoilers?The mechanics are as boring as possible.Having THE long-awaited return to Lorwyn be nothing more than a field trip for retards from Strixhaven is fucking awful and shit and terrible and I fucking hate it with ever fiber of my being.
>>97318481Yeah I think the set is just really uncreative. They filled in the blanks for rehashing Lorwyn with nothing interesting to show. Here's the tribes and some shitty mechanics with no real identity in addition to the heaps of commanderslop.
>>97318357Dina the cute witherbloom girl was the only memorable Strix student. The rest were forgettable and pointless.
>>97318498>Here's the tribes and some shitty mechanics with no real identity in addition to the heaps of commanderslop.Memberberries, commanderslop, the old Lorwyn tribes but stripped of all uniqueness, oh also here's fucking Convoke in every color for some fucking reason.Oh, and on top of that!>SYKE it's a fucking Strixhaven set xDThis shit sucks man.
>>97318455This is my song for WoTC in general
>>97318515Blight is also a complete dogshit mechanic. It tries to act like it could be strong, but in reality why would you spend time jerking off with the counters when you can just play game ending value engines that do everything on their own?
>>97318539https://youtu.be/X5xYgcEHR30?si=6lWIrkkJvKZOYlz7Fuck me
>>97318357Remember Jace? Remember he had a love history with snake cloaca? Remember how they couldn’t have children? Well actually…
>being this mindbroken by five cards representing people from another world
>>97318550Like what the fuck does this character even add to Lorwyn? It could have been some random legendary creature from the plane instead of a faggot character from Strixhaven
>>97318567It reminds you that everyone can planeswalk now due to omenpaths.
>>97318550>gorgon>doesn’t have a petrifying gazeLame ass kikety shit. Literally make her any other race or a simple ass wizard
>>97318542>Blight is also a complete dogshit mechanicIt shouldn't even be a mechanic. Sure, I get keywording "Mill" because it was basically common parlance in the community anyway. I didn't think it was a good change, but whatever. Nobody was going around saying "Hey bro I blight your dude" when slinging -1/-1 counters.
>>97318579It reminds me that WotC cannot design characters to save their lives
>>97318550>Gorgon>Nothing to do with Deathtouch or a stone gaze>>>>BlueThis set fucking SSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS
>>97318617Stop stereotyping gorgons you fucking BIGOT
>>97318579Reminder that Omenpaths and Jace’s multiverse reality rewrite is going to open the floodgates to UB characters omenpathing into actual Magic worlds. This is the Chris Cox endgame whether you accept it or not.
>>97318411That feels wholly unsatisfying. No society can endure between psychopathy and normalcy on a day-to-day basis. The plane's "ecosystem" only works because during Lorwyn populations grow and are culled during Shadowmoor. If people are fucking murdering each other every night the plane becomes entirely depopulated in less than a fucking year.
>>97318550This being a total fucking flavor fail and complete departure from Gorgon design identity aside,Can ANYONE explain why UG is getting a Mother of Runes clone?
>>97318622>and then D&D removed unique racial abilities...
>>97318630gotta strip away the last bits of color identity that white had
>>97318630>Can ANYONE explain why UG is getting a Mother of Runes clone?Oy vey, who nose the reason?
>>97318503>DinaSpeaking of whom, where the fuck is she? She is actually here and like you said the only part of Strixhaven that fucking mattered. Why the fuck can't they actually land on promoting the characters that don't fucking suck.
>>97318630Because green can do anything and blue can do anything and with their powers combined they can conquer the whole color pie.
>>97318646Because JOTC actively hates their own customer base, or at least the old guard who paved the road for future capital so more sets could be financed. That’s why everyone hates Loot but likes that Arena mascot whatever it’s name is
Wait for the evil clone of Strixhaven.Then you will miss this shitty Lorwyn release lol.
>>97318665>Wait for the evil clone of Strixhaven.>Then you will miss this shitty Lorwyn release lol.ANDTHAT'SATHREAT
>>97318646Probably reserved for the actual Strixhaven set.
If anything I’m going to hate TimeSpiral2 Jace’s Bluegaloo
>>97318623>Reminder that Omenpaths and Jace’s multiverse reality rewrite is going to open the floodgates to UB characters omenpathing into actual Magic worlds. This is the Chris Cox endgame whether you accept it or not.Mark said this would never happen, so it's basically confirmed.
>>97318623No it won't.
Anyway here's Brigid. Was she leaked already? Probably I don't care.
Did you know, in Jace Beleren's Darkplace, WotC is good at design?In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, zero cards are banned in Standard.In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, WotC maintains the game's most popular formats.In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, all colors have an even slice of the color pie.
>>97318791In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, Mark Rosewater is an honest man who tells the truth.
>>97318630>complete departure from Gorgon design identity aside,It's probably intentional. And I'm actually interested in the concept of a "civilized" Gorgon instead of just another evil sexy woman that hides in the shadows/caves and turns people into stone.Also, it costs one more mana than Mother of Runes, and doesn't work on herself.
>>97318825>It's probably intentional.What the fuck is it with talentless hacks and possessing a zealous devotion to intentionally doing things that suck ass and are fucking stupid?
>>97318647They only thing they can't do is hard removal.
>>97318854>They only thing they can't do is hard removal.WotC's only regret is that people noticed their attempt.
>>97318790Seems decent? Bare minimum is 3 mana for two bodies, if she gets to untap then she gets to pay for her own transform cost at worst. Probably too slow though.
>>97318832Out of curiosity, what is your opinion on Mercadian Goblins, who are tall and smart?
rares and mythics look garbage but I like some of these uncommons
>>97318880old thing = goodnew thing = bad
>>97318895The bulky Evoke shitters are realy underwhelming.
>>97318880ai slop, three fingers instead of four
>>97318419It's the Merrow they constantly reshape the rivers leaving dry riverbeds.
>>97317998This is fixed Lorwy-Shadowmoor. Mark regretted changing the tribes colors so now they kept both colors. According to his article one this fixes was adding more lorwyn colors to the shadowmoor tribes.
lol lmao
>>97318240Because people miss block but sets set in the same plane sell less. BRO & VOW sold less than the previous set.
>>97318630Because it's in pie and they wanted to experiment with hybrid rares.
>>97318791In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, actual powerful white cards exist and dominate Standard every other year, and White’s color pie isn’t strip mined of mechanics.
>>97319136>bring back tribal non permanent spell>make the face of the set not work with itlollmao
>>97318626Before the new lore according to Mark the day & night cycle personality shifts went from 0% to 100% but when they Aurora was fixed the shifts went from mostly from 45% to 55%. They erase that since players seem to hate lore changes so now we're back to 0% to 100% shift.
>>97319053I think they're afraid of making elementals too powerful since the MH cycle + Omnath, so these things only work on cast speficially to avoid making way too strong an EtB setup for blink decks. They're okay but considering they are harder to break they could have cost a bit less to cast as creatures. Could have just been like 1WWBB for each of them or WWBB but smaller body so it's more like "if you can pay to do both you get a 3/3" etc.
>>97319182>WotC>afraid of powercreepingAnd other lies their shills tell us
>>97318617Seems to still fit.
>>97318630>green gets hexproof>blue has color change effects?
>>97319193>posts 3 gorgons with deathtouch
A red white giant.
>>97319228Honestly, name a single tribe in any country who’d give a shit about Tribal being a thing. It’s like renaming snow lands because JOTC thinks it would offend Eskimos
>>97319231>3Do you know how to count?
>>97319228>After like 6 consecutive sets of 2CMC enchantments that replace themselves on ETB, they print thisThis set is a travesty
>>97319234Fuck this gay set. four fingers and three toes, make up your mind Chris Semen
>>97319253Aren't they all like that? It was probably specified in the style guide.
>>97319265another reference. I don't understand how the creature gets indestructible from the rock.
>It's a fucking Strixhaven set in a Lorwyn skinsuitI HATE THE OMENPATHS
>>97319312The pioneers used to make rock armor all the time
An old artist is back.
>>97319329Aetherdrift was a race car set in a Muraganda/Amonkhet skin suit Murders was a hat set in a Ravnica skin suitSeems to be the new business model.
>>97319342Her last card.
>>97319342>All the Kithkin cards are ugly dogshit and Down syndrome retardsJOTC hates Caucasians so much they artistically forced inbreeding
Oh boy we have to BUILD UP to something, bros!God forbid we just have a Lorwyn set on Lorwyn. We have to BUILD UP to the BIG THING bros! Lorwyn can't just be Lorwyn, it has to be a BIG BUILDUP to THE THING bros! Aren't you excited for Lorwyn to be completely disregarded in favor of being the BIG BUILDUP for the BIG THING?
>>97319342I hate WotC with a deep and unquenchable passion.We literally just fucking had Behold, fuck off how did they manage to make the mechanics for this set SO boring.But, it is always good to see genuine traditional art with actual style, I will praise this card's art.
>>97319362Even Strixhaven2 is a buildup set for Jace’s Wild Ride of rewriting the UBverse into reality. JOTC have already shown their hand that design is merely passenger car sets meant to be stepping stones to more le epik events, which effectively renders any story development for the locals a moot point.
>>97319136>Fuck up>AgainGood ol' WotC.
The shift from triggers being upkeep to precombat main phase is shit and WotC needs to stop doing this.Also, since I'm on the point, "first/second" etc. are still MTG parlance for game-wide tracking. Stapling "of the game" to old cards did nothing to change this and the new wording is still broken.
>>97319359>All the Kithkin cards are ugly dogshit and Down syndrome retardsThis was the same for Lorwyn so I don't know what you're complaining about.
>>97319362I remember reading an article about og lorwyn from wizards that said lorwyn was very hard to planeswalk to because it was covered in glamers or some shit. It would have been neat if the phyrexians weren't able to go there because of that, leaving it as one of the few planes with no omenpaths.
>>97319413>I remember reading an article about og lorwyn from wizards that said lorwyn was very hard to planeswalk to because it was covered in glamers or some shit.The original lore for Ravnica was that it was IMPOSSIBLE to planeswalker to, a planar isolate. They gave no explanation for how this was undone, Jace appeared there one day and the actual lore of the plane was just ignored henceforth.
>>97319359they always looked like dorks
In-lore, it has been 44 years since the original Lorwyn story arc.
At least they seem to have abandoned Treasure tokens.
>>97319444>At least they seem to have abandoned Treasure tokens.No part of Mark's mechanics spoiler was something that makes treasure tokens.It'll probably be a legendary creature not from Lorwyn.
>Strixhaven on Lorwyn>No Shadrix Silverquill>No Tanazir Quandrix>No Velomachus Lorehold>No Binglewoon Featherbottom>No Galazeth PrismariWhere are my LE EPIC ELDER DRAGONS wotc?!
>>97319447Even so, the number of cards that make Treasure tokens seems to have drastically gone down. There was a time (Neon Dynasty - New Capena) when they just stapled Treasures on every other card. This is a positive change.
>>97319437Thanks, anon.>>97317547>What do you think of the spoilers?Could be worse.Lots of good artwork.My biggest gripe is Shaman erasure.
>>97319444Treasure tokens are now an integral part of magic.
>>97319468>Even so, the number of cards that make Treasure tokens seems to have drastically gone down.For now.
>>97319425Oh that's kind of neat. They could have made a tragic planeswalker that accidentally planeswalked off of ravnica and can never go home. That may be too similar to Azor's gimmick but still there would have been potential.
>>97319463Fuck you Dragon fag Lorwyn is not your place.
>>97319468They gave red mana dorks now it doesn't need as much treasures.
>>97319463This set is about the faggots of the coast wiping their ass with lorwyn's name. Behold, the kithkin giraffe
>>97319359Kithkin are not Caucasian. Also you're brown.
>>97319482>Oh that's kind of neat. They could have made a tragic planeswalker that accidentally planeswalked off of ravnica and can never go homeYeah it would have been great for them to actually stick to the fucking lor. Or at least show how the fuck it just randomly became a place you could Planeswalk to.But no. No, it's WotC.
>>97319536if that were true then wotc wouldn't be forcing diversity up on them
>>97319518One arm almost twice as long as the other arm, too.
It's been 4 fucking decades in lore and WotC expects me to believe in that time the elves of Lorwyn fully enacted a eugenics policy to appease footfags.
>>97319329In what way is it a Strixhaven set? No instant/sorcery focus, no MDFCs, none of the Strixhaven mechanics.>well there are four people from Strixhaven who happen to be thereWas Bloomburrow a Ravnica set just because Ral was there?
>>97319228Why would literally anyone ever play this card?
>>97319579The part that I find hard to believe is that in all of Lorwyn's existance not a single rimekin ever came to be until the phyrexian invasion.
>>97319588>in a Lorwyn skinsuitBegone, shill.
>>97319425>>97319557>They gave no explanation for how this was undone>Or at least show how the fuck it just randomly became a place you could Planeswalk to.It was a consequence of the original Guildpact. The original Guildpact fell at the end of the City of Guilds book. This isn't rocket science.
>>97319602What makes it a Strixhaven set?
>>97319614The presence of characters from Strixhaven and its story being about characters from Strixhaven and the entire story only existing to lead into the Strixhaven set.
>>97319241This gorgon explicitly covers its eyes thoughbeit
>>97319463>No Shadrix SilverquillWoah now, no need to make up fake names to make WotC look even worse than it actually is.
Kill kithkin. Behead kithkin. Roundhouse kick a kithkin into the concrete. Slam dunk a kithkin baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy kithkin. Defecate in a kithkin's food. Launch kithkin into the sun. Stir fry kithkin in a wok. Toss kithkin into active volcanoes. Urinate into a kithkin's gas tank. Judo throw kithkin into a wood chipper. Twist kithkin heads off. Report kithkin to the IRS. Karate chop kithkin in half. Curb stomp pregnant kithkin. Trap kithkin in quicksand. Crush kithkin in the trash compactor. Liquefy kithkin in a vat of acid. Eat kithkin. Dissect kithkin. Exterminate kithkin in the gas chamber. Stomp kithkin skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate kithkin in the oven. Lobotomize kithkin. Mandatory abortions for kithkin. Grind kithkin fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown kithkin in fried chicken grease. Vaporize kithkin with a ray gun. Kick old kithkin down the stairs. Feed kithkin to alligators. Slice kithkin with a katana.
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>>97318791Did you know that In Jace Belerens Darkspace, draw-go control was never dragged out behind a shed and shot, and other deck archetypes are all still viable and fun nonetheless?
>>97319625Its story is about the balance on Lorwyn/Shadowmoor being thrown off as the result of a ploy by Oko, the abandoned/exiled son of Oona. Because he assumes that Maralen is still Oona, he leads strangers to Isilu's lair so that they will wake it up and throw the cycle out of balance. The leader of Lorwyn's elves tries to take advantage of this to kill Isilu and end Shadowmoor forever, while Maralen tries desperately to figure out what's going on. The stakes are entirely about the future of Lorwyn-Shadowmoor, the (admittedly pitiful) attempts at suspense revolve around whether Oko killed his sister without knowing who she was, and the actual origin of those strangers is wholly irrelevant to the way that Oko used them in his scheme.They happen to be from Strixhaven because Strixhaven is the next set. But the conflict is fundamentally a Lorwyn-Shadowmoor conflict, the obstacles are fundamentally of a Lorwyn-Shadowmoor nature, and we are at no point in the story asked in any way to think or care about Strixhaven in the slightest. Hell, even the most prominent dangling plot threads are hinting at Oona not being entirely gone and manipulating Kellan's dreams.The presence of characters from other planes has been a staple of Magic's stories since fucking Tempest block.
>>97319240>>97319228What makes me the most fucking mad is that TRIBE was a word created by FUCKING ROMANS to refer to THEIR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE. It has nothing to do with stinky native american manlets.
>>973196681>Whenever this creature blocks or becomes blocked by a nonblack creature, destroy that creature at end of combat.2>Whenever this creature blocks a creature, destroy that creature at end of combat.3>When this creature exploits a creature, destroy target creature you don’t control 4>Masked Gorgon5>Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, target opponent gets two poison counters. Yeah no fucking clue what they were thinking with this shit.6>Pharika's MenderBlind.7>When it enters this way, each opponent sacrifices a non-Gorgon creature of their choice.8>When this creature enters, another target creature you control gains lifelink until end of turn.lmfao ok WotC9>THE SISTERS OF STONE DEATH10>When you do, exile target creature an opponent controls.11>Destroy target creature. It can’t be regenerated.12>When this creature enters, destroy target creature or planeswalker an opponent controls that was dealt damage this turn.
>>97318791>>97319675In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, playing a combo has opportunity costs.In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, aggro runs out of gas.
In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, Loot is a cosmetic surgeon specializing in breast enlargement.
>>97319697>TamHalf gorgon adolescent.
>>97319685>Oko, the abandoned/exiled son of Oona.
>>97319685>But the conflict is fundamentally a Lorwyn-Shadowmoor conflict, the obstacles are fundamentally of a Lorwyn-ShadowmoorAh yes, Oko.Oko, the character famously from Lorwyn. First introduced in Lorwyn. Oko, the Lorwyn character.
>>97319741Next you'll be telling me the Lorwyn 5 aren't from Lorwyn
What's the most pozzed card from the set?
So are flip cards just going to be an evergreen piece of shit in every set forever now?
>>97319774>canonically tranny in the story>vampire without drain/lifelink/sac
>>97319848Vampires being associated with lifegain synergy is a relatively recent development.
>>97319329I wa looking at these spoilers the last few days before coming here without checking what anyone else (or faggot influencers) thought of it and and literally did not once in my mind connect this as Strix associated. Then again I don't know strixhaven for shit or give much a shit about it but it was not obvious to me that that is what it thematically is, it seemed a lot to me like just a repeat of the block but just crammed down into one set. If you want to hate it just because you WotC overall fucking sucks rotten goat nuts today (and it absolutely does) so be it. But at least they are fucking doing Lorwyn again in the first place, it could be worse. Not much worse than spiderman, but still worse. The thing I noticed? They made changelings cute instead of kind of horrifying ET looking things. Which I hardly mind because nobody wanted to play weird ayyy dudes back then unless the card was so good it forced them. Fae were all the rage and it looks like it'll be the same again here because flying highly reactive dimir stuff is still just plain more efficient and rewarding than the general concepts behind giants and kithkin 20 years later. Merfolk have some good stuff too.
>>97319518This thing would probably be good if that cat burglar card didn't exist (3 MV, trample, vigilance and makes a treasure on etb).
>>97319362Since the Bolas arc is done and Eldrazi are kind of shelved they are attempting to make some new overarching story so it is just always going to be a thing, since they have been treating the lore and planes like MCU for over a decade this is not really the time to complain. The only way to bring Lorwyn back was to MCU-ify it.
Who the fuck writes these gay ass flavor texts? This card had no flavor text for 25 years...
>>97319882>The only way to bring Lorwyn back was to MCU-ify it.Incorrect statement.
>>97319909*The only realistic wayGiven how 3/4ths (probably soon to be 10ths) of magic are gonna be spongebob fortnite Taylor Swift 6-7 sets from now on they need to try to keep some semblance of story existing in the few real actual Magic sets they are making. To have Lorwyn just exist entirely as its own deal is not ideal for them. To that end I liked the Alara block too personally and the entire point of that even back then was some Bolas shit. There is supposed to generally be some point to all this shit instead of 'here is a cool plane just for fun' even though they practically did just-that for bloomburrow. Which I liked as a set much more than I thought I would since it was a tad like "Lorwyn meets Beatrice Potter world" and not remotely as furry garbage land as I expected.
>>97319920>Also *Beatrix potter due to phone auto
I think we get to a point in set cadence where they will just do a core set flavored for Lorwyn but without any story or need to plan around it. That's my guess for the next time we go to the plane.
It's cringe watching all these retarded companies copying the MCU's homework without any understanding of why it worked, including now the MCU itself.>Murrvel Cinematic Univhurrse>built up over 10 years>with charismatic actors in mostly solid movies>characters and IPs with history that people gave a shit about>actual stakes>things that happened obeyed internal logic, mostly>WotC TCG multiverse>not a single focal character people give a shit about in the entire history of the game>vomiting a bunch of random trannoids and quirk chungus characters into existence every set who will never be fucking relevant again>story stops mattering the second they go to the next plane>sets release literally every other month unlike the movies which were 1 or 2 a year so it's actually moving too fast to develop anything>no stakes, even getting phyrexian pozz in all holes doesn't matter because people can just cast Negate on it in story>no internal logic, nigger bolas simultaneously has a multiversal threat army of the baddest niggas powered up by magic armor that lets them soulsuck you in 1 hit but only 3 people die, elesh norn can instantly pozz every plane at the same time while winning a 20 year civil war on nu phyrexia but then every plane just resists the invasion like it was no big dealSeriously, what the fuck are they doing?
>>97319685>They happen to be from Strixhaven because Strixhaven is the next set.Anon discovers the problem without realizing he discovered the problem.
>>97319951People have been clamor for blocks to come back. I'm sure some people will like it.
>>97319955nobody actually wants blocks back. They think they do, but they don't.
>>97319955No you don't understand anon. Block were an old idea, therefore they were good. Linking multiple sets together is a new thing, therefore it's bad.
>>97319836They have toned them down, but there was a time (Kaldheim - Zendikar Rising - Strixhaven) when they were in almost every set without rhyme or reason.
>>97319974>No you don't understand anon. Block were an old idea, therefore they were good. Linking multiple sets together is a new thing, therefore it's bad.FACTS.
>>97319992The reason they gave was they wanting something to mechanically link the sets together.
>>97319966This. Last time they stayed on a single plane for more than one set (Innistrad) I almost lost my fucking mind.
>>97320005The real reason is that it's cheaper to have longer runs of DFC, so they're going to cluster them whenever possible.
>>97320005Which is complete nonsense because there are no cards that mechanically care about mDFCs
>>97320005Why not just use the Lesson mechanic then? Kangzheim literally had a God of Storytelling and Zendikuk 3 is about noob adventurers LEARNING or dying.
Im not getting any main set scarecrows am I. Single block lorwynn was a mistake, you cant cover everything you should even if you removed all the strix students
>>97320025This seems to be the scarecrow currently.
>>97319848>82 cards where the card types include “vampire” and the text includes “lifelink”>355 cards where the card types include “vampire” and the text doesn’t contain “lifelink”
>>97320025>Im not getting any main set scarecrows am I.No. You get Gorgons and Vampires.
>>97320035>>97320043Im going to beat Rosewater into paste with a sack full of bricks. Lorwynn/Shadowmoor and particularly reaper king and company are what got me into collecting mtg.
>>97320039>the tranny way of thinking hyperfixating on one word in the sentence and neglecting the rest
>>97320035This is just a shittier Reclamation Sage
>>97320046Here's your draft chaff scarecrow.
Just comparing this guy to jewel thief makes me laugh. For the cost of 1 more mana, you gain 1 power and lose vigilance.
Treasure is unironically one of the most gamebreaking mechanics Magic has ever had and no one gives a fuck because you can play it in gay ass combo decks
>>97320072That's because jewel thief is green.
>>97320025Literally not enough cards in the set and they can't even do two parter blocks now that they need to make room for the Kpop Demon Hunters and Mr Beast and Zohran Mamdani sets instead. Magic is in very very bad hands and the only way to get it out would be to convince notch to buy it off Hasbro or something just to save it.
>>97320025This set with the Vivid mechanic doesn't make sense for artifact creatures. Or they could just make color artifacts because that is a thing too but I don't think wiztards of the West Coast has that much thinking ability left
>>97320114>Zohran Mamdani sets insteaddon't we already have a bunch of new york sets
>>97320066I guess its something.
Blocks were awesome got set cohesion and narrative. This is not a fucking block is put a giant Strixhaven turd in the middle of Lorwyn without a reason besides is the next set. With Blocks we would be free from UB shit.
>>97320149With blocks, we'd have three sets straight of spiderman.
>>97320152what if I want 3 sets straight of Spiderman?
Zohran Mamdani would make a decent supplementary set to flesh out the New York plane. New Keyword would be "socialism", which would work like Convoke but if you tap creatures to pay the mana cost you have to sacrifice those creatures one per turn as long as the Socialism card remains in play.
>>97320155Then you'd be a happy customer.
>>97320162It needs to be a set about the mayoral race with Grixis Mamdani, Bant Sliwa, Esper Cuomo, Jund Adams, and Naya Lander.
>the thing is happening again where people are spitballing retarded joke sets that sound better than current real setsI HURT MYSELF TODAY
>>97320152No one would dare to do that can you imagine a Ninja Turtles block? Someone would burn JOTC HQ.
https://moxfield.com/decks/EsA8UjJay06Ji8Qp0x9vIQSo is standard actually fun to play right now or is it just fun to theorycraft and brew deck ideas? Despite being perpetually unhappy with WotC, something about this shit ass trash card game makes me want to build decks.
>>97320240>So is standard actually fun to play right nowlmao
All you dopey Kith-cucks ITT, hand over your FUCKING porridge immediately!
>>97320264>If there's anything a Boggart love, it's porridge, especially Kith-made porridge, the target of their raids and looting
>Korean Bodega>6 colorless>Artifact>keyword - Socialism>When this card enters the battlefield create 3 food tokens>2 tap - Create a food token (at least 1 must be paid by Socialism)>2 tap - Sacrifice a food token, Korean Bodega does 3 damage to any target>If Korean Bodega is the target of a Black spell or Black ability, destroy it.
>>97320264
>>97320264The stubby potato people are the goats of the set let's not kid around here
>>97320264Porridge? Seriously, WotC?
>>97320309You are right, we are sorry and we promise to do better. For now the card has been errata'd to "Economically disadvantaged-idge"
>>97320309What do you think the kitchen finks were after? Also we need more finks and ouphes, that's a big oof not to
>>97320328>Also we need more finks and ouphes,No, you get Vampires.
>>97320264>We smelled you kith-twits makin' porridge in here! We love porridge! Give us your porridge! We want porridge! Porridge is our favorite food! You better let us have some porridge! We're going to take your porridge even if you don't let us! So you better give your porridge to us, or else! Porridge is delicious and we want some! Mmm, porridge! Porridge, porridge, porridge! I want some porridge! And you were making porridge, so I'm coming in! Porridge is the best!"A bit excessive, WotC.
>>97320264>I know I smelled bussy juice, you boggart-loving kith twinks! I LOVE bussy juice!
>>97320309What other british food would you want jellied eel, spotted dick, or faggots.
>>97320360>I know I smelled chicken masala curry saar
any chance they show off a new Oona card for the new lorwyn set?She's part of that plane, right?
>>97320362
>>97320369Not enough beans and peas
>>97320367Her body died and her side story is trying to reincarnate in Kellan's body.https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/lorwyn-eclipsed-three-dreams-three-truths
>>97320374I consider bread the most important british ingredient.
>>97320135Escape from New York soon
>>97320119OG Reaper King was a 5 color artifact creature. Painter's Servant also played around with colors, they could've done something but didn't feel like it
I think we all liked blocks better but how would you fix the third set problem?
>>97320420First 2 sets get 2 Mythics each, 3rd set gets all the Mythics
I just realized what the flavor of this version of Lorwyn reminded me of. The cringe factor is essentially this video which makes sense given it’s also Hasbro.https://youtu.be/A4BuL886bJA?si=mwItDITVqi8w9RWs
>>97319136It's honestly weird that evoke doesn't only work with permanents as-is.
>>97319992>>97320005It's also just because designers really like DFCs. They're fun tools to use.
Premodern is getting traction. What are some must buys, before boomer magic explodes in price and becomes unaffordable like any other format?
How many more years til WotC abandons their pozzed ways considering its all flopping left and right? 2027? 2028?
>>97320609They make more money now than they ever did before. A set flops. Who cares? It's just cardboard. Printing this stuff costs them almost nothing. The set after that is a huge success again. They won't abandon their ways. They will run this sucker into the ground.
>>97320557your about a year too late for that since even the cheap premodern decks are pushing 300$ now and most of the good ones were already expensive because of moxes and city of traitors and so on
>>97319411they look fine in the first lorwyn blockbut they got progressively more hideous, deformed, and bug-like as the blocks came out to differentiate them from hobbits because tokien's estate was threatening copyright infringement
>>97320609>considering its all flopping left and right?Unfortunately, it isn't.
>20d courey baumeister with performer triggersDisguise is the one good thing about this standard format
Remember when people were hyped for this wet fart of a set? How it would be the only good set this year?LMAO
>>97320822star trek will be the only good set this year and only because it will almost entirely ignore kurtzman's abortions
>>97320822MaRo made it bad on purpose to discredit real magic sets
>>97319359>that afro>caucasianShe's some anerimutt hybrid
>>97317547>TQI don't care enough to dislike 'em
>>97318034>>97318230Cards may mostly crap but the Lorwyn Eclipsed trailer is lithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCQ5EF69rSQ
>>97320557FUCK OFF FAGGOT WE'RE FULL
>>97320557>before boomer magic explodes in price and becomes unaffordable like any other format?But Pauper decks are like 20-30 bucks, anon.
>>97321100>monarch>initiativeretarded format
>>97320634>They make more money now than they ever did before. A set flops. Who cares? It's just cardboard.The problem is that when your business strategy is giant gamble, giant payout, the ONE time that the "misses" hit three or four times in a row your entire business collapses completely.It is a completely irresponsible way to run a business, especially since big payouts become more difficult to find once you exhaust the easy money grabs.
>>97320360>Elf Faerie>Maralen>>>>Faerie
>>97320386>Her body died and her side story is trying to reincarnate in Kellan's body.Wow, that's fucking gay.>Kellan>another fucking character not from LorwynFUCKOFF
>>97321233Maralen was like a backup body for Oona, or something like thatin the end, Maralen took overhence the Faerie type
>>97321272>in the end, Maralen took over>hence the Faerie typeYes but she is still a fucking elf.Nobody fucking Frankenstein gene spliced fairy bits into her.
whyfor what purpose
>>97321279>why
>>97321279>dies to shock, only burning opp for 2 lifeFar too weak for current standard where a 2 drop like Cub can just generate infinite mana
>>97321279Red is weak in the only format WOTC cares about (commander), please understand
>>97321283>"Hey Mark, you know what color needs more extremely pushed support that shuts down entire archetypes singlehandedly?">"Is it Red, Dicksuckotavius?">"Why yes Mark, it's Red!"
>>97321279goes great in my commander deck!
>>97321279>viashino pyromancer, but it doesn't have wizard synergies
You know what, this really nails the entire matter. You can't build a format based on hate. Love always wins: Black Lives Matter, Trans Lives Matter, and Wizard of the Coast's pocket matters.
>>97321389>Prof's allowd to have an opinion having played 0 gamesSums pretty well the current "playerbase" of magic
>>97321279>sorcererwhy not wizard?
>>97321420why not shaman?ups, I forgot... shaman is racist now, somehow
>>97321389Where hate?
>>97321460>using the hateful "Return Youtube Hatred" extension
>>97321460But anon, some people said very hurtful stuff! This means that we have to now tell them that they are incels and cancel them in order to protect this world and spread kindness and love!
>>97321389>I don't think any format based on hate can ever be truly "good",Do people not know love is a triangle? The "hate" for new Magic is converted into "love" for old Magic.>Prof's allowed to have an opinion having played 0 games. I'm allowed to have an opinion, and I don't even want to play the format.>People need to stop being so rude to a creator actually giving your format exposure...Apparently wanting to ban a popular archetype using arguments that could be stretched to apply to pretty much every combo deck in the format means you don't deserve hate. Don't get me wrong, premodern doesn't look appealing to me at all because of the powerlevel, but I'm not gonna pretend that the changes I think should be made would make it better or more fun, plus I'm so sick of this "it's just an opinion" defense coming from people you just know will start sperging out when you make the same defense when you say "Magic should cater to a more specific demographic rather than just everyone, mainly to white, American men."
>>97319136kekkek the designer of that card has no idea what they are doing and is actively destroying the game
>>97321558Yeah the pussyfooting around double standards really annoys me in modern internet discourse. These people really take internet threats seriously and when someone makes a dark joke about someone, it needs to be taken literally and that person needs to be punished in some way for making such a comment. In this case it's not even "just an opinion" if you make a youtube video on a channel with a relatively huge reach, especially if that opinion has been written by someone else and is made to farm engagement from viewers. I can acknowledge that the premodern community has a bunch of spergs that have kneejerk reactions to people having opinions, but also the people suggesting dumb shit shouldn't be surprised when people tell them to shove that opinion up their ass and jump off a bridge. And does any of this shit even matter? That's the real question
>>97321593It is just the opposite spectrum of a bible thumper.
>>97321503there are always haters no matter what you do tho
>>97321135haven't seen either of those in a long time, at most its something you side in against creatureless or mostly creatureless decks like altartron or poison storm
>2 mana 2/3 that gets bigger as it draws you cards or stalls somethingplayable enough for standard
>>97321761>2 mana 2/3smartest blue player
>>97321761It's shit. Why would you want to waste 7-8 mana for this? You play a 2 cost 1/2 that needs further mana to do anything
>>97321761This card is 1000x better for the whole -1/-1 counter thing. Also, those abilities would've been decent maybe 6 years ago, but most blue decks today can dig through all the cards they'll ever need with just a 2 or 3-mana spell. The only reason you should even consider running this is if you really wanna use Summon: Leviathan as your wincon.
>>97321817why the fuck would they word the last ability like thatoh waitfuck digital
>>97321817>>97321845>"while this creature has a -1/-1 counter on it"Is truly emblematic of every shit design idea WotC subscribes to.These goddamn cards to begin with, the ones that start with -1/-1 counters then grow biger.Like, hey WotC: That's the +1/+1 counter design space you fucking retarded cromagnon fucks.
>>97321389>I know these 'I played in 1995' people are insufferable.Yeah, to idiots.It's called gatekeeping, and it's a good thing. If you don't like the culture, DON'T PLAY THE GAME.
>>97321859Vommiting +1/+1 counters (or it's equivalent in this case) is the only design they can think of for Green cards these days please understand
>>97321880>Vommiting +1/+1 counters (or it's equivalent in this case) is the only design they can think of for Green cards these days please understandI really hate how often -1/-1 counter design space just devolves into "+1/+1 counters, but with an upper bound."It's a different mechanic entirely, treat it differently for fuck sake.But yeah, that ability's wording is pretty glaring. Arena is but one of the many abominations that is smearing this game across its asshole.
>>97320990>original music video produced by the Jim Henson Company with characters designed by Jim Henson's Creature ShopI'm not sure how a feel about this
>>97321817
>>97321279Falkenrath Reaver was and still is one of the most egregious design failures in MTG.No other card opened the floodgates of rectal effervescence quite as much.
>>97321859I'm starting to see why WotC didn't want to bring -1/-1 counters back. They don't really know how to use them as anything more than negative +1/+1 counters.
>>97321904What interesting design for -1/-1 counters would there be?
>>97321904Woah bro I cracked the formula check this out:>+1/+1 counter setSmall creature, but gets big>-1/-1 counter setBig creature, but gets small.WotC has yet to figure out this incredibly complex formula.
>>97321902?
>>97321902right after fatal push
>>97321909put them on your opponent's guysmake creatures that slowly wear themselves away
AvastThe abomination rears its ugly head once moreLo, what a plague upon all thin gs holy ye areA blight! A blight upon this game and all the things in it!Soiler of gameplay, ye ruinous beast.How much damage hast thou left in thine's wake?A crater we've yet to crawl out to this very day.Yet more, a crater that sinks only deeper 'neath the weight of your repugnant atrocities.Mortals look upon ozymandias and despair, yet here you stand, the very thing to topple his statueUNHOLY BEAST, GET YE GONE
>>97321916>red grizzly bearsAAAA SAVE ME GARFIELD
>>97321919You know it, brother.
>>97321902red bear is worse than black bear, but walking corpse was the first bear-that-should-not-be
>>97319411You are a mentally ill man.
>>97321916There it is, boys.The card that unironically destroyed MTG...
I only like 4 cards from the set.>Hexing Squelcher>Selfless Safewright>Formidable Speaker>High Perfect MorcantThe rest of the set is a very big>yeah whatever niggafor me big dawg
>>97321909Isn't that the job for WotC to figure out? Who are we kidding, they can't design for shit
>>97321943Facts. It should not be let off the hook.
>>97317547>Thanks to spiderman getting shoved into standard the shocks won't all rotate at the same timeI HATE UB I HATE UB I HATE UB I HATE UB
>>97321926So the exact same thing they already do?
>>97321965Why did you post Mogg Fanatic, anon?
>>97321943I remember this being a very talked about card when Innistrad was released. These days black bears just have upsides. Wild world we live in.
>>97321916Get that disgusting shit out of my sight and never post it again.
>>97321969Because anon claimed it was interesting design.
>>97321985>Sorcery speed Last Gasp but it costs double pipsI sleep.
So… Lorwyn is a huge flop?
>Falkenrath ReaverJust wait until you guys see what passes for a "mono blue" creature these days.
>>97321985I hate how these things are clearly just meant to be chase cards for "upgrading" the ashling precon
>>97321904>+1/+1 are the opposite of -1/-1 counters
>>97322001Yep, WOTC are just trying to get it over and done with so they can move into the the real sets this year: TMNT and Marvel
>>97322001On purpose
the art is so UGLYit's amazing
>>97322002Blue has always had big expensive bodies, there's powercreep there but not as bad as others.
>>97320309Sorry, we will change it in future prints to be un-pancaked.
>>97322026You've never looked at the original kithkin?
>>97321279I have no idea why people are going nuts over this card, it is nothing noteworthy.>>97321902Oh great, its the fucking Nemesis schizo and what a surprise! Now that Nemesis is gone, they are blaming other cards. Who could have seen that coming?
>>97322019I’m so ready!!!!
>>97322001gotta put the good cards in ub
>>97322026That's the fun kind of ugly.Imagine that on some unplayable artifact from 1994. It fits right in
>>97322029Blue almost never gets above-the-curve attack without a big downside. It's about as egregious to me as a 1R 2/2 without downside can be.
>>97321279People wanted a mono red version of this so now that it's monocolor they were able to power it up.
>>97322023>People just don't want to revisit older magic the gathering planes compared to exploring new york city for the 7th time, the data supports this
>>97321761It's a 2 mana 1/2 you dolt.
>>97322081Shusher can be played in mono red decks. It has been for nearly 20 years.
>>97322078If it had been below curve, you guys would be complaining about how G shouldn't get that
>>97321761> anon can't do 4 minus 3grim
>>97321943It was white actually.
>>97322026No, anon.That's not ugly.That's...SOVL.
>>97318034Eldraine is woke as shit. I know, though, bait.
>>97322090You're forgetting who wotc actually listens to commantards.
>>97322081Why would anyone need a mono-red version of that except EDHfags worrying about color identity?
We still haven't gotten a hag, noggle, troll, dwarf, or selkie.
>>97322123They're changing hybrid cards in commander so they can go in mono colour so it doesn't even make a difference there either
>>97322126It is incredible how nearly all of the blight cards are completely unplayable (yes, I know they are basically the set's limited mechanic along with vivid).
>>97322098i'm not sure how to feel about white bearsthe world where actual grizzly bears is a reasonably good card is pretty narrow, and potentially chokes the design of removal and other creaturesthen, if you introduce modal bears, or bears with marginal upside, does white need to have vanilla bears?anyway all i'm saying is that it's less egregious than a black bear
This set is looking really underwhelming…. You told me this was supposed to be the best set of the year anons…
>>97322151>he fell for the copers
>>97322151> You told me this was supposed to be the best set of the year anonsThat's the sad part, it probably is
>>97322151That's the fun part.*This* is the best set of the year.Get comfortable.
>>97322151>tranny protagonist>Lorwyn is now sidelined for Strixhaven characters>Elf racism at all time low>Universe Within power level>already one card has to be errata'ed before releaseIt's not even out and it's already over
>>97322151its not UB, so wizards don't need to try. UI piggies will eat this slop all day.
>>97322160>already one card has to be errata'ed before releasewhich one? I missed out
>>97322171>>97319136
>>97322160All the original elvish racist already died the only ones left alive are their grandchildren.
>>97322151and it only gets worse from here
>no new Gaddock Teeg
>>97322151*Zips*Take a seat and enjoy the end.Because this is THE END.
>>97322151It is good because it drives people further towards fascism, national socialism, the JQ and above all;Anti-semitism
>>97322203>already in January>still no news of the "unannounced" collabslopthey are canceling it
>>97322198It's been 40 years. He'd be dead based on how Brigid aged.
>>97322239We've already seen cards for it anon, it's TMNT.
>>97322186>Literally removed their one singular gimmick
>>97322253Stop replying to him he's a troll.
>>97322253>>97322260sorry I forgot about it. wish they would cancel it
>>97319317>create a token copy would resolve before making the 1/1 token, meaning you can't make two 1/1 for 3 manaabsolute dogshit
>>97322295you have to choose targets before resolution anywaydo you play this game
>>97322295You wouldn't be able to even if they were swapped
Flashback spell.
More blue reach.
More flying merrows
FlashReach
>>97322357It's no preening champion, but still pretty good in draft.
>>97322331Maybe we can cook some Giant stew in Pioneer, now that we have so many red mana dorks.
A basic land cycler in red.
Black Reprints
>>97322364*ahem*FUCK FAERIES
another treefolk
Fixed variant of finality counters.Probably because there are many cards in the set that remove counters.
>>97322151That is the truly sad part though, it is the best set of the year.
Theres some good merfolk cards but nothing that makes me want to change my current Svyelun deck. I was hoping to get a new commander to get away from mono blue
Let's go see granma
First non blue Noggle
>>97322387Good to see Inversion back, that thing puts in work.
>>97322399>more tracking issueslol they just didn't care at all this set, huh?
>>97322410Also like, fifth noggle ever.
African-American Kithkin
>>97322410>1 mana 3/3 that fixes colorsGreen was a mistake.
>>97322415You can just say black, we're all adults here.
>>97322413>this setthey don't care at all anymoregood thing arena can track everything for you :)
>>97322419>blackthat's clearly blue
>>97322415Did it really need a functional reprint?
The festival card
>>97321233>>97321275The story made a point that her taking Oona's place sort of made Glen Elendra shape her partially into a fae.
>>97322419They don't look African-British.Aren't most African-Americans from west Africa and African-British from the east?
>>97322430this is some of the ugliest shit I ever laid my eyes on
>>97322186Is the lack of eyeblight hunting why we get dei kithkin. Elves will need to relearn that if it ain't white it ain't right.>>97322415So ugly, I want to kill it.
>>97322410Actually insane limited card wtf
>>97322387>Nameless InversionThis would be really cool for delirium if RG delirium wasn't the only viable version of the archetype.>>97322404>Uncommon Raise the DraugrWow.
>>97322429This >>97322404 is also a "reprint" of Raise the Draugr. I doubt they even try to keep track anymore. There are only so many designs you can do for limited without (needlessly) reinventing the wheel. They clearly no longer care, they just have to keep churning out 6+ sets a year.
>>97322429this was clearly overpowered at only one pip
>>97322430worst art in the set
>>97322445This might even make Standard constructed.
all shit.
>>97322453Cloudgoat ranger this is not.
Vivid looking pretty interesting for draft
it's just domain with extra steps
>>97322453This comes pretty close to feeling like an authentic shadowmoor card, 8/10.
>be me>have fond memories of lorwyn>not the first set i played with but the one that got me more seriously into the game>excited for return, plan on buying a box regardless>open up /mtg/ and /edhg/>see spoilersYeah this set looks fucking dogshit. Usually I dont look at spoilers, glad I did this time. Saved myself 200 bucks
>>97322399>>97322413Blame arena
>>97322339I want to kill whatever kike (Gavin) who thought Sun Titan memes would help White. There’s nothing worth fucking reanimating at 3 or less you stupid fucking kikes!
>>97322413I think they are going to shift in universe sets for more experienced players and UB for beginners.
>>97322473Give them to me.
Anyway, I missed this side-story coming out yesterday. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/lorwyn-eclipsed-three-dreams-three-truths>Kellan and Amalia, of all characters, talking back on Thunder Junction after Kellan came back with a gift for her, some flowers which are from a place called Lorwyn (he doesn't know what Lorwyn is)>They flirt/banter for a bit before Kellan brings up that he actually had a dream about him and her in a field of these flowers, and Amalia mentions he has been having a lot of dreams lately, might be worth writing those down>On Lorwyn, three treefolk, an ash one called Morecote, a rowan called Erewaker and an elder called Sigric, are making their way somewhere>They're worried Sigric's getting too old so they're taking him somewhere because apparently this is a trip he can only make once because of some prophecy shit>And then fairies show up to bother them>They make some cryptic/punny remarks about yews and 'you' referring to Morecote, which mostly confuses him until he sends them off with some violent thrashing>Sigric starts to explain something but the faeries interrupt again, abruptly challenging Morecote to a duel against all three of them, if he wins they'll tell him something interesting>Erewaker tries to dissuade him, but his pride takes precedence and the fight begins>Narration makes note that Morecote is known as a very good fighter, and SHOULD have easily bested the fae>And yet they continue to evade and dance around him until he finally catches one, who laughs as he squeezes it to death>In that confusion, the other two faeries have dropped a poison on Sigric, and Morecote angrily demands what they did>They never said they'd play fair, and they're honestly just helping out anyway>They fly away while claiming that yew grows best within a corpse
>>97322483Give what to you? I didnt buy a box cause im not a retard and I have taste. Set looks irredeemable. Heck even if i did id just throw them out. Thats what ive been doing when I mistakenly buy a sealed pack lately. Rip and trash
>>97322410They always shift water creatures into green.
>>97322496Them dollars.
>>97322001>>97322019>>97322053I personally think evoke creatures could have some cheating synergy
Is this the full set? Very underwhelming for what I was hoping for
>>97322492>Back to Kellan, waking from a nightmare of an old tree, a tree he felt compelled to touch and examine because it had something written on it, that he can't remember now>And then the tree was felled by an axe, and he saw the inside of the tree full of mold and rot, and then the tree screamed>He looks at the journal Amalia got for him and decides to write down about that, starting with the voice he heard at the end, a woman's voice claiming "a rotten tree may yet bear sweet fruit">The treefolk are moving, Sigric moving slower than before, the other two are silent in guilt or just awkwardness>And then Sigric speaks up after a week of nobody saying anything>He indicates a giant they have to pass by, one who's thankfully asleep>Erewaker asks about the veil being past it, which Sigric affirms, then sort of goes into a bit of a ramble about having to go where the sun doesn't warm leaves, some stuff about Colfenor being born of the night, etc.>Erewaker feels saddened to see him losing it like he is, but she resolves to carry on regardless>She also feels ready to pass through to Shadowmoor because they do all have relics to help them keep themselves themselves while they're there, but she's never actually been>She asks Morecote if they have to be direct or if they can take a way around, but Morecote speaks up and implies they don't have enough time if they don't go direct>So they go, Sigric still rambling, his story starting to blur into a slurring mumble>Erewaker remembers a time when her and Sigric were caring for a dying treefolk, and how when it came nearer the end, Sigric asked her for poison instead, to give the dying treefolk a mercy>Erewaker tries to silence Sigric's rambling in the present, but he's lost in his own head, says Erewaker reminds him of somebody, another student he had and the implication is he's sort of forgetting who she even is right now
>>97322467It's more like a weird version of devotion in practice since the intention is to use hybrid cards and multi colour tokens to raise your colour count. The lack of low rarity duals in the set means you'll struggle to go above 2c without consistency issues
>>97322492Against all odds, Kellan managed to salvage himself and become a good character with a big titty goth vampire GF (cannonically, now - not just /tg/ conjecture).
>>97322507Them dollars will be going towards the new Riftbound set instead :) much better purchase i feel and from the chase cards I got from the first box it should be free.
>Be Tarkir fan>Hate Dragonstorm because of all the shitty decisions they made>Rest of the "Magic community" loves the set and the changes>See people getting pissed off about the changes they've made to Lorwyn-Shadowmoor>Set looks pretty interesting to meSo that's what that feels like.
>>97322526>With the giant in danger of waking, she clamps a hand over Sigric's mouth and they slowly go forward>But then Morecote indicates something above the giant's head>Hey look it's those fuckass faeries>The faeries notice them and shout loudly in greeting and one of them pulls its blade and is about to wake the giant>Morecore quickly tells Erewaker to go, throws her away, then grabs the sapling, a yew sapling, grafted onto Sigric which they were taking with them, tears that off, tosses it to her>Sigric collapses, going almost entirely limp, while Erewaker panics>Sigric's voice, suddenly more lucid, pipes up and tears off a sheet of his own bark, hands it to her and tells her to plant it with the sapling>Then with the last of his strength he calls a wall of vines between them and tells her to run, and she doesn't see what happens to the other two but it doesn't sound good>She runs into the aurora and into Shadowmoor>Back to Kellan, waking up, not with a dream, but with something painful in his mouth>He goes to look into a mirror to see, and sees flowers blooming from his tongue, and hears that voice again, saying that crowns fall from one tree to another (it's probably grandma Oona being a bitch)>Erewaker pushes onwards through Shadowmoor, sobbing but resolute>As she nears the grove where she's to plant the sapling, one of the faeries appears and asks why she cares so much>Why she cares about the yew trees, Colfenor, all that>The other says "hey, everything dies", the first says everything should, second says "except dreams">She ignores them as she pushes forward, but they taunt her that she's too sad for this to work, too scared for the magic to take>She gets started planting the sapling, which involves some sort of ritual approach, singing a song, all that>And the ritual doesn't seem to work, despite her best efforts, leading the faeries to taunt her even more
>>97322536have you cum on a vex yet
>>97322536>Unironically buying leagueslopHoly fuck you're worse than the most delusional UBfag
>>97322453Why the actual fuck would they make a worse cloudgoat ranger of all things? They put fucking ancestral recall in standard but cloudgoat ranger is too much?
>>97322571Definitely not. My QUEEN ahri alluring? Yes.>>97322572You should try it they did a real good job its a fun game.
>>97322569>The faeries laugh and dance before finally saying that all she really needs to do is throw her relic aside to finish the ritual>But that would mean forgetting her friends, Sigric, Morecote>But she figures that if this journey was for nothing, she may as well give up everything to make it something>So she sets the relic at the mound where she's planted the sapling>As soon as the sapling comes to life, it breathes and speaks, but the faeries are on it, trying to beat it to death>The ritual was sabotaged, naturally>Erewaker thinks she should do something, but Shadowmoor starts to overtake her, the plants of the grove growing over her and the faeries too>And all of them die for this>Amalia is reading Kellan's journal, which detailed this very story about the trees among other things, when he coughs up another flower>Later he looks in the mirror, and for a brief moment a different face is in there, and oh fuck off Oona>She makes a cryptic comment about awaiting him at home
>>97322583>Definitely not.ah, i'm sure you'll get one eventu->My QUEEN ahri):<
>>97322591So I dunno what the fuck this story was about really but I guess the idea is the faeries subverted the yew's revival to, I dunno, give Oona a vessel to use or some such.
>>97322606proving that faries are still dicks, and kellan is about to become a mcguffinI did like the name of the fairy sharing the name with the flowers that kellan coughs up
>>97319518The designs of the kithkin are very inconsistent. Some necks are stupidly long.
>>97322026How would this work with warp? If I warp in a creature (say, exalted sunborn), attach this, then generate some tokens, do I get to keep the tokens or do they get warped out?
>>97322668Why in the fuck would the tokens get warped out? They didn't have warp costs paid so there is no trigger.
>>97322668does anything say that the tokens go away?
>>97322583>You should try it they did a real good job its a fun game.the mana recycling itself in the deck feels atrocious. played it a couple times before release and I did not enjoy it
>>97322675>>97322678Didn't seem so, just wanted to be sure, I'm fairly new to magic. That seems like a pretty good use for the card, you could shit out a lot of exalted sunborns. If the original tokens were summoned with mobilise, would the replacement tokens be summoned tapped and attacking and then sacrificed at the end of the turn, or would all of that be associated with the original token's identity and overwritten?
>>97322696If you want to get truly degenerate with warp, look up Frostcliff Siege.
>>97322696So if a replacement effect changes what tokens are made, the other effects still apply, so mobilise's tokens would still be sacrificed and all.
>>97322708I have a boros deck in mind, but yeah that looks pretty nasty too>>97322717Do I have the following scenario correctly understood, then?>I control a Mobilise 1 creature, a Mobilise 2 creature, and Mirrormind Crown>I warp in a Sunborn Exalted, and attach the weapon to it>I attack with the two Mobilise creatures>I have the Mobilise 2 creature trigger first, which creates 4 Sunborn Exalted tokens tapped and attacking>The Mobilise 1 creature then summons 1 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 = 32 1/1 soldiers tapped and attacking>The tokens are all sacrificed at end of turn
The only thing that I really want out of the set are the artifacts
This set being a shit is all YOUR fault. You claimed so hard about how this was the only set of this year and the best set compared to the rest that you literally jinxed it, now Lorwyn is looking to be another UW failure.
>>97322752it still will be the best set of the year btw
>>97322591https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/lorwyn-eclipsed-star-crossedNew story.I am not reading this tragedy.
>>97322798commander card
>>97322803Commander game.
>>97322798>total mana value of 5>or greaterhelp an ESL outwoudln't that mean that they could mill their whole deck? or am I reading it wrong?
>>97322809You keep going until you exile total cost of 5 or more. It's so if you go over 5 you also stop
>>97322809You mill cards, 1+1+1+2 = 5, stop millingYou mill cards, 1+8 = >5, stop milling
>>97322809Yup, if they have only a total cmc of less than 5 left in their library then they'd exile their whole library.
>>97322752>>97322781Star Trek will be the best set of the year
>>97322809It means if youre at 4 cmc total and the next card is a 6 drop you'll get them all
>>97322830>>97322836ah!how silly of me
>2 mana>RED>2/1>First strike>CascadeWhat the FUCK were they thinking?
>>97322846>Star Trek>A dead franchise targeting the most obnoxious and retarded fanbase of old nerd manchildren>Best set of the yearYeah... No.
>>97322552>>Rest of the "Magic community" loves the set and the changesWhy are you just making shit up?
>>97322867>Gets blocked by lord fancy-paws They were trying to rotate modern
Absurd how bad this "lorwyn" (actually Strixhaven) set is looking. Good litmus test for taste
Final side-story, I believe. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/lorwyn-eclipsed-star-crossed>An elf named Cerys in Shadowmoor is visiting her late uncle's home>She's mostly aghast at how badly it's turned in the time since she was last here, and how it hasn't even been raided, it's just been aged>In particular there's a Reliquary of Twilight, his most prized possession, breaking apart>We learn this uncle, Gethin, was an explorer type, who regularly went to Lorwyn while keeping himself as Shadowmoor via the Reliquary obviously>Cerys is here with his last will and testament, the last thing he wrote, sent to her, bequeathing all he had to her>She looks through some of his journals and all that, reminiscing about his stories, about Lorwyn, where elves had nothing to fear, they WERE feared, unlike in Shadowmoor>Cerys is also apparently particularly susceptible to the aurora, such that whenever she got near it, she'd find her memories muddled without even crossing over>She finds a letter to somebody called Rhain, Gethin in it apologising that he can't find more of some medicine this Rhain needs>Said medicine is there too, and Cerys notes her uncle wouldn't leave a letter unsent, nor did she know he did any sort of healing work>So she quickly writes her own letter to Rhain, explaining Gethin's passing and explaining the delay>She sends the letter out with some magic which seems to just know where to go, and to her surprise it heads to the nearby aurora, through to Lorwyn, which surprises and delights her>Next day, Cerys is woken up by a letter flying into her bed, and it's a curt and quite harsh response from Rhain>She sends a polite one back, saying she thought this Rhain was a friend or acquaintance of her uncle's, but goes "well this is resolved then">And then some hours later, he sends another letter, balking at Gethin dying instead of fulfilling his request and calling him a coward
>>97322931My prediction from reading just this blurb: Gethin is Rhain
Who claimed the waifu in one of the previous threads?
>>97322377>6/5 reanimator bait with card draw on etbThat shit seems really good for a common???
>>97322968Decent but its no trolls
>>97322931>Cerys, naturally incensed, writes a polite but firmly-worded letter rebuking>Only an hour later a reply comes, remarking he may not have deserved the care, but he didn't deserve to die alone, which Cerys thinks is very melodramatic because it was a pretty standard medicine, nothing to stop something life-threatening>As Cerys busies herself, she thinks on things, recalling that to Lorwyn elves, vanity and beauty are a matter of survival so maybe she was being a bit too harsh>She finds a more particular flower that's only in Shadowmoor, makes more of that salve and decides to send it to Rhain, who quite promptly replies with a simple thanks>We get a few more letters back and forth, Rhain actually being quite polite about things now that he's realised Cerys can actually do things for him>Cerys presses Rhain for stories of her uncle, because she realises they must have met at some point>Basically, Rhain got stuck in an eclipsed realm when Gethin saved him, and they became friends of a sort, he also does regret being unkind to Gethin in his final letter>Cerys starts to understand why Rhain needs this medicine, to try and fix the calcification he started to undergo in the eclipsed realm>And we cut to Rhain himself, who indeed has a marred face from that, puzzling over what to write back as he lives in exile and solitude>The calcification is also spreading and growing worse, slowly but surely>Turns out the only cure he knows of is dawnglove, which is sacred in Shadowmoor and he can't quite bring himself to ask Cerys for that, and Gethin outright refused to give him any back when he was alive>He can't bring himself to ask for dawnglove, so instead he just writes a normal-ish thing, as they banter/flirt about flowers or something>Back with Cerys, she's cleaned up her uncle's home properly now, using some plants from Lorwyn even
>>97322915>JOTC intentionally ruins nu-Lorwyn>”See chuds? No one wants Lorwyn according to our data. Now suck down these UB sets with power creeped staples you need to win”
>makes busted necro sorin reanimate deck>loses to a couple kitty cats 1 dropsthis will never not be funny
>>97322990>She's writing something in her own journals when a distant treefolk's cry startles her and she spills some powder, and upon trying to clean it up, finds a loose floorboard, etc.>There's a pouch in there which she quickly opens up>And within it is a letter and dawnglove>And the letter is full of scratched out lines, mostly imploring Rhain to never tell anybody about this, but the final line is simply an apology>She realises something and quickly writes a short letter to Rhain, asking if he's dying>He very quickly and bluntly responds that he is>She has a brief conflict of conscience before sending a letter back, saying he should have told her>Back to Rhain, struggling to breathe now, who writes a final letter of farewell to Cerys and goes off to sleep and die>But then he wakes up and there's an unfamiliar elf in his room, holding a lantern that's flickering and fading, forcefully giving him something to drink>And he feels better all of a sudden as she does>But Cerys herself seems unsteady, sort of flitting between her compassionate self and what must be her Lorwyn side, who can't even stand to look at him>Rhain realises he needs to get her back immediately because the lantern is broken, the Reliquary isn't working properly and she's at most staving off the change>She collapses and he catches her before running off towards the aurora>They pass into the aurora and Cerys goes stiff>He looks down, aghast, feeling the calcification start to hit him again too, faster this time>She implores him to leave her, but he refuses and they both turn to stone in each other's arms
>>97322387That's weird they wrote the type text wrong.
>>97323052How do you figure that?
>>97322967Me
>>97323036cute and sad
>>97322967Her card actually kind of fucks, too.
>>97322448For unbury It's probably because they wanted the Raise the Draugr effect but the name didn't fit Lorwynn.
Can't imagine this'll actually see play, but here's the RW evokemental.
>green is getting more flash cards than white its not even funny at this point
>>97322994>Now suck down these UB sets with power creeped staples you need to winpremodern beckons
>>97323227Don't worry white bros, at least we got a few more sun titan effects!
YO
>>97323209I'm sure it'll lead to some bullshit somewhere.
>>97323240YOOO WHITE SCHIZO THIS ONE IS GOOD INNIT?
>>97323240fuck off
>>97323226Wow this is dogshit
Random conspire appears
>>97323260Wort is now unemployed
>>97323240Finally, some power creep
>>97322145goes great with my black sun's zenith!
>>97322151>I WANT POWERCREEPgrim
>>97323240Best creature of the set? This accelerates aggro so much if it gets to swing, and it's got first strike and lifelink on top of that.
>>97322320that flashback plays like a yugioh card
>>97323075It's missing the tribal subtype
>>97323294>commander that can be cast by beholding 5 of [type]Do it wizardsYou know you want to
>>97323389You will be able to behold all 5 infinity stones with Thanos on the battlefield to activate his ability of forcing all players to sacrifice half their permanents, then you can clap
>>97323415believable
What's a good place to get sleeves, deck boxes, mats and the like? Probably gets asked once a thread at least, but still.
>>97323415They have an opportunity to FIRE up door to nothingness
>>97323522Sleeves: Dragonshield, KatanasInners (if you use these): Dragonshield, KMCBoxes: Gamegenic, Ultrapro, 3D print your own if you have accessMats: any mat off amazon will do, check if the edge is stitched and back is rubber if it is important to youSleeves and deck boxes I would advise to get in person, just to confirm the colour and dimensions. If you're uncertain about how much they can hold (double sleeved, extra tokens, ect.) you can ask an employee. Size for mats are generally fine.
speaking of B grizzly bears
>>97323620Good blue tempo card, with how many cards shit out creature tokens just for breathing the blight cost should be pretty simple to pay and have this be Counterspell
>>97323625Oh, so it's way more standard than I realized. That's good to know, I was honestly kinda worried that it would be full of a bunch of traps and shitty chink knockoffs.
Removal for elves
>>97323522Buy the Ultra Pro Glossy 100-count packs from any store you can find them. They only come in 5 colors and clear. They break as often as Dragon Shields and Katanas, the best sleeves, and are 50%-75% the price. Matte sleeves are unreadable at some angles.The cheapest deckbox you can find is indestructible. The most expensive deckboxes are made of shit-leather and will degrade.Buy any playmat with a stitched edge. Opt for a solid dark and muted color like black or grey. People don't like looking at bright playmats because if you're playing for a long time bright colors strain the eyes.None of the accessories in this game last, except for deckboxes. You are never actually getting more value by buying a more expensive product. Everyone shits Ultra Pros but they have been consistent for over 20 years in quality whereas every other product at some point becomes shit and has always cost twice as much as Ultra Pros - and because Magic players are incompetent people, they will cite 10 year old information about sleeve quality.
>>97323664This. A sleeve's job is to slowly die in lieu of its contents. If you play a lot, you will go through sleeves a lot.
>>97323389no, that's IMPOSSIBLE
>>97323641it's a piece of plastic around your cardboard, if you want to buy from chang then you can buy from changdon't overpay for complex deck boxes with 5 dice trays and token compartments, a regular plastic cube will suffice. or a cardboard box, if you keep an eye out for watersleeves are more up to you how they feel and how the shuffle.
>>97323389More likely it'd be a bunch of different types
>>97323700bullshit they will print vehicles for commander but not allow this
>>97323240now this is a fair and strong aggro card
>>97323250>THIS ONE IS GOOD INNIT?Maybe after they ban Cub and Stormchasers
>>97323659>plus the number of Elf cards in your graveyardFucking why? Elves can already pull this out and hit your dude for -10 at will, although at that point they could also just win the game. What's the point of this shit? Elves is a combo deck, when will they even have elves in the graveyard?
>>97323769The elves in this set seem to be more focused about filling the graveyard with all the self mill and other elves with graveyard related effects in the set. Why they chose that as the theme I have no idea since nothing else in the set has anything to do with the graveyard, guess they just wanted it to be "different"
>>97323827>Why they chose that as the themeIt's GB, the theme chose itself.
>>97323827>Why they chose that as the themePros wouldn't shut the fuck up about Innistrad + Spider Spawning so every two sets since theen you are going to be casting Mulch. And Worm Harvest is obviously proto-Spawning so obviously they have to cookie cutter the shit out of that.When the fuck has UW not been flying creatures? Nothing is fucking new in this game.
>>97323585You forgot "You can use this artifact as your commander"
>>97323887>When has UW not been flying creatures This set where Merfolk are about self tapping for convoke and other stuff.
>>97323887>When the fuck has UW not been flying creatures?EOE: double spellsFIN: artifactsDFT: artifactsDSK: enchantmentsOTJ: spells on opponent's turnsMKM: detectivesLCI: craftingOut of the last 10 draft standard sets, Foundations and TLA had it as flying, BLB had it as birds that supported nonfliers, TDM didn't have UW archetype because wedges. Oh we also have Lorwyn now, where it's merfolk convoke. You don't play draft.
>>97323988You tack o:flying r<=u onto every single one of those sets and tell me what colors you get back. There is a Wind Drake in every set and you hit people with it. I don't give a shit what kind of stupid bullshit strategies Wizards tells you they've designed for UW it's always UW fliers. It's been UW Fliers since the LAST time we went to fucking Lorwyn except in that case it was also UB Fliers.
>>97324043Are you going to act like every RG archetype is reach just because that's where the keyword shows up most in the color pie?
>>97324075I did not say RG is reach.
Where ia my dwarf JOTC? GIVE ME MY DWARF YOU BASTARDS!
>>97324075actually reach is blue now
>>97324087By following your own logic, you should. Tack o:reach r<=u onto those sets, tell me what colors you get back. There's a bunch of reach creatures in every set, regardless of the archetypes.
>>97324115>By following your own logic, you should>heres this strawman i created for you>i dont believe that>well my argument needs you too
>>97324196>I think A=B and B=C>So A=C, right?>no fuck you that's a strawman I never said that
>>97323827>GB graveyard>BR sacrifice>UR noncreature spells/spellslinger>WR EquipmentI yawn loudly whenever I see these.
>>97324043White and blue are the flying colours. They're prominent in having flying. The set archetypes aren't all fliers just because fliers are in them.
>>97323036cringe
let this general diethere is nothing to discussslopwyn vs tmnt
New thread>>97324693>>97324693>>97324693
>>97322435I love when people say stupid shit to justify something as if that doesn't just prove what they're trying to justify is also stupid.
