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CYOAs for this feel?
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POST GIL KINO
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Know who’s a shit tier cyoa author? Whoever made Danmachi. Motherfucker won’t let you get to level 10. He won’t even let you get to Orsted level in Mushoku Tensei. Or Dumbledore tier in Harry Potter. AND his gay as shit Mythic Lands is balanced like Legos. Fuck him. FUCK him.
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>>97421887CYOAs for this feel?
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>>97421914That one male companion from Royal Revival?
>>97421862Any CYOA with waifus in it.>>97421875Tankista's semishitpost CYOA.>>97421897Avenge Micha>>97421914Entropist
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>>97421887Be creative with [Raise] and [Spirit Fire] and you can delete anybody in Ratmachi. You can easily get to Orsted’s footing you’re just not familiar enough with the setting.
>>97421920Feels for these CYOAs?
>m*le companionsWhy the fuck would you want this cuckshit tho
>>97421887that author probably has the single worst naming sense for options in all of cyoa history, but he does balance really well and even if he names things badly they still workhis mythic lands is way better than his franchise cyoas like mushoku tensei because he just doesn't care about understanding the franchises themselves either, this feels like it has the same source as his inability to name things reasonably because not understanding what for example bard means is the only reason you could possibly make it a perception power
>>97421881Here it's bro.
Was BETRAYED and TRAPPED CYOA released?
>>97421967Dragon Ball cyoas exist
>>97421961Nice!
>>97421938Sometimes you want a cute waifu and 2 children raised in your forest cottage; sometimes you want your military squad sharing stories at the camp before the big battle.
>>97421979How about military squad of children sharing stories in forest cottage before cute waifu?
>>97421993Too toothless.
>>97421938>why would you want real friends that you can relate toFemales that you had sex with can't be your friends, it just doesn't work, having your cock in them has completely warped their perspective of you.Same thing applies daughterwives, you aren't the same old reliable father to them anymore once that sacred boundary has been broken.
>>97422008>old reliable fatherfucking them was always the goal though?
>>97422003Military squad of cottages swapping forest waifus before big children.
>>97421939>but he does balance really wellShut the fuck up
>>97422012Go away Freud.
>>97422013>waifu swappingWould it be considered cuckshit if you willingly do it?
You... You ever have that problem where you come up with several options but still need like a few more to round it up but can't think of anything?
>>97421938How am I suppose to organize BBQ parties if all my friends are females and unmaried?
>>97422022anon it's fine if you prefer imbalanced cyoas but face facts
Hanging out with other men is kind of gay
>>97422059really? aren't guys who hang out with girls alot in highschool are usually the most suspect?
>>97422057It’s not well balanced at all. It’s artificially up its own ass for the sake of balance.
>>97422066Have you NEVER seen boys acting gay as fuck around each other? stupid now.
Anons who call male friendship gay, immediately out themselves as both friendless and bitchless and also possibly a projecting homosexual.
>>97422013Get the fuck out of here with your cuckshit.
Male friendship isn't real.
>>97422088Um. It’s the opposite. Women can’t make friends. They form contracts.
>>97422082Anon, in high school me and my friends would slap each other on the ass and call each other homo, or cutie. Still do five years later.
>>97422067it's well balanced in the sense of each point is roughly as valuable no matter where you put it and different types of builds are on a roughly equal footing, that's good balanceit's not well balanced in the sense that you want one type of build to be better than all others, though that would in itself be bad balance
>>97422093Proofs?
>>97422088>t. friendless
>>97422102https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LGuml-tc75A&pp=ygUdbWVuIHdlIGtub3cgaG93IHRvIGJlIGZyaWVuZHM%3D
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>>97422101>dude martials are just resistant to magic for the sake of le cool fight okayAnon. Please fuck off.
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>>97422120i knew it
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>>97421614>>Are You Still In Pain?>8/10Can't believe people are still wanking that pseud shit. No idea what you people see in it
>>97421939The author is not good at balance. In fact he frequently cripples the reader. It’s very apparent that he doesn’t want you to hit harder than the heaviest hitters in their respective franchises. This is why there are memes at all: the power hungry faggots want to be the most powerful and they hate when they aren’t allowed to be. Hey wait I might have actually just proven that he’s good at balance. If you think that power hungry fags should get bent.
>>97422137what, the orsted meme again? you hit harder than orsted with enough training because orsted has one of the worst drawbacks
>>97422125Knew what? That I’ve got you by the balls here? Stop fellating his asshole. He is not a quality balancer.>>97422137God you’re stupid.
>>97421887>FOR ALL OF MY RAAAAGE IM STILL JUST A RAT IN A CAAAGE>>97422059>anon before trooning out
>>97422016>Ghost-Walker can just be totally impossible to harm if they want to beWho can hurt them?
>>97422100>me and my friends would slap each other on the ass and call each other homo, or cutie.Aha! so the projection theory was indeed correct!
>>97422141i knew you were that specific magic shitter who doesn't know what balance means
>>97422140Orsted’s only main drawbacks are 1) He is hated by everyone, and 2) He is mana crippled. But he can still kick your ass. He has the most potential in the setting.
>>97422145No one, that's the point.
>>97422102Talk to real women? oh wait I just realized how impossible such a request is, my bad...
>>97422149Dude that entire section ruined the entire cyoa. Martials are hand held by the very gods.
>>97422093In every country, in every culture, in every race and time. A common greeting to another man is gentle shit talk or even an insult IE:"Sup Faggets".The same cannot be said for women. Not all women, of course, but certainly not the majority. They do not build hunting parties, they build circular firing squads or alliances of convenience at most. Such is life.
This image encapsulates my WIP.
>>97422155>Martials are hand held by the very gods.FromSoft gameplay design experience
>>97422136Its the most artistic cyoa ever made. The vibes and atmosphere are immaculate. No cyoa has ever gave me the heavy feels it did, except maybe Hearts Adrift.
>>97422158>Noooo don’t rape me noooooooo
>>97422145>Who can hurt them?Themselves when you deadname them.
>>97422151he can kick your ass if you go after him when you're 12, if you instead train until you're 25 or something you can 1v1 him fine>>97422155give it a rest dude, the options need to be equally valuable for it to be considered balance, it's perfectly fine if you don't like balance in your cyoas, not all of them need to be balanced, just don't act as if an example of actual balance is bad balance because it happens to go against your preferences
Women have ann easier time developing friends in their later years while men have easier times developing friends in earlier years.For some reason old men are stubborn and only want to be with the people they know. While groups of old ladies will be sitting in the mall laughing and chatting.
>>97422161>getting raped by literal pipsqueaksyou're actually gay for this
Good CYOA has to have aggravating balancing, walls of barely comprehensible lore and at least some way to achieve immortality, preferably with a drawbackThen anons will seethe about it for years.
>>97422159Are you implying that sorceries aren't easy mode in every game?
>>97422168Anon the balance is just weird if you can somehow flex away the brutality of physics. You may as well consider the martials wizards as well.
>>97422158Why aren't his male friend companions saving him from those vile monsters?
>>97422179i have no problem with that
>>97422168>if you instead train until you're 25 or something you can 1v1 him fineNope. Author said he can solo the entire world.
>>97422155>Nooo, the gods are literally helping martials challenge me>Waving my hands to bend reality as I wish? That's just magic and perfectly reasonable.I never understood why people who always pick magic are so against others being able to challenge them. Either everyone has bullshit powers or no one does.
>>97422189different author
>>97422157>In every country, in every culture, in every race and time. A common greeting to another man is gentle shit talk or even an insult IE:"Sup Faggets".This is definitely not universal. I imagine it's mostly common in the lowest strata of society.
>>97422168Balance for the sake of combat is gay. If you get hit by a spell you should fucking DIE the same way you fucking DIE if you get hit in the face with a shotgun blast.
>>97422190Wizards are weak physically. They would die to a single sword swing. Why shouldn’t the martial die to a single fireball? Fuck you. >Either everyone has bullshit powers or no one does.So you want everyone to be a wizard, so no one is, got it.
>>97422190DnD>>97422198it's not for the sake of combat, martials are the combat specialists so they're the best at combat, while mages do other things the martials can't so they have absurd utility like making your own fucking dimension and being unkillable in it
>>97422207>it's not for the sake of combat>martials are the combat specialists so they're the best at combatIdiot. It is absolutely for the sake of combat. You just contradicted yourself. Magic can cancel combat altogether and the author clearly didn’t want that. What a fucking queer.
>>97422215anon, something that includes X doesn't necessarily exist for the sake of X
Okay but how do I kill Bell? I don’t like that guy.
Do you write extra lore for your CYOAs? Stuff that doesn't fit into the cyoa itself but helps you (the author) keep track of things and imagine them while you write the actual thing
>>97422206>Wizards are weak physically.>But they can create shields that can block nukes>And they can cast precognition to know exactly when someone would threaten them>And they can cast regeneration so every wound will instantly close>And even after all that they can have a phylactery or simulacrum to not even be bothered by the fight going onYou just want to be god and are annoyed that there are restrictions to your fantasy.
>>97422225>I have the mind control spell, and only anti mind control magic can defend against it, so…>nuh uhh my brain is like a muscle or something and I flex it hard enough to resist!God you’re gay. Magic is all about having unreasonable effectiveness.
If martials can't just cancel magic and then run up to a wizard and kill him it's bad balance
That's martial should have access to magic. Obviously they'll be way less versatile than dedicated casters but at least it will stop magefags from screeching about muh realism in a fantasy game.
>>97422236Anon we’re talking about the people (the casters) who have 1hp here. The author gave martials 1,000hp. How is that fair?
>>97422233That's how lore pages are born.
What would most builds look like if Omega Psi wasn't an option?Would that greatly increase build diversity?
>>97422243Nah. Whoever hits first wins. Magicians fight using cunning.
>>97422233no, back when i actually made cyoas i tried very hard to include all of it, so none of it was extrai find that when authors of some cyoas show off unincluded lore the cyoa becomes infinitely better if i include it, even if it's unfinishedfor example, power creator xenon on its own feels like a sterile and empty world where nothing happens, but if you look at the lore from unincluded sections you instead see an intricate geopolitical system embroiled in a cold war on that feels really good to imagine as part of the superhero fantasyfor another example, chain of isekai is a truly awesome cyoa, but it's so thick and incomprehensible without the many different examples in the extra material that you probably don't get how good certain power sources are at all and instead pick the lamest one, false wizardry, because at least that one is easy to understandanother similar example to the above is kill the heavens, the extra material really explains a lot about how things work that just don't come through in the cyoa itselfyet another example is cantrips with the alt rule dlc, though i guess that's really more of an unformatted dlc that only feels like extra material because it's unformatted, and should really be counted as part of the core cyoa
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>>97422263Bro, punctuation.I ain't reading all this word vomit.
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>>97422267i slam enter when you use a period, i punctuate harder than you do, we are not the same
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>>97422040Anon, the next option you make must be RED and PURPLE. And if you need to make another option after that, it should be BLUE and GREEN.
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>>97422279>PURPLEHOLLOW PURPLE
>>97422262How is 'I snipe you from 10 kilometers away or instantly turn you into stone' cunning?That only works if the martial is immune to save or die spells. And that he can avoid obvious pitfalls like being teleported into the sky.
>>97422158>monstergirlsMeh.
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>>97422287The pantheon would be better off without the second row of "gods"
>>97422285in mythic lands? you can be immune to blue magic in general, though also being immune to yellow magic is harder and more confusingmeanwhile being teleported into the sky is not even remotely fatal to a martial there, a body 10 chad wouldn't just survive terminal velocity without using any ability, he'd probably survive falling at escape velocity too
Is it really magic if it’s fair
>>97422196>Not universal>From the ancient past of Rome to the post-modern today this dynamic existed>Every western nation, african nations, middle-eastern nations, even native american tribes and inuits that where completely isolated from the world formed, independently, these relationships between menWhatever you say gaylord, maybe you keep the talky-talky to people who can read?
>>97422285>How is 'I snipe you from 10 kilometers away or instantly turn you into stone' cunningBecause you have to set yourself up to be in those positions. It’s not necessarily snapping your fingers.
>>97422295>in mythic lands? you can be immune to blue magic in generalThis fact alone tells me everything I need to know about how dog shit this cyoa is
At this point anons are arguing about hypotheticals they have imagined based on hypotheticals imagined after imaging what danmachi cyoa was like
They're arguing about mythic lands, no one cares about danmachi
>>97422309it's good balance, a competent mage is also immune to everything a grug swinging his fists around can do
CYOAakaCHOOSE YOUR OWN ANON>The seether>The contrarian>The whiner>The falseflagger>The build-maker>The potential author >The jaded newfag>The cat
>>97422322I choose the build-maker and throw everyone else into an incinerator
>>97422322why are newfags more jaded than oldfags around here anyway
>>97422322Mystery box: The jeeta
>>97422298>you can't get me haha-ACK
>>97422331Balding at 20.
>>97422320>a competent mage is also immune to everything a grug swinging his fists around can doWrong. Muscles hit harder than magic according to the tard author.
>>97422298Jump good.
>>97422322The potential author (as long as he doesn't make anime franchise CYOAs)
>>97422342muscles don't hit the competent mage, only the retarded mage facetanks a punch
>>97422350Potential author doesn't make OC He only has unreleased WIPs that he's totally been working on for decades
Rolled 4, 7 = 11 (2d8)>>97422322>first anonThe first anon becomes a janny who rules over cyoag with an iron fist.>second anonThe second anon is first anon's roommate. But he is mentally unstable. He may do something drastic if the first anon pisses him off.
>>97422358gil..
>>97422361A falseflagger (aka chaosfag, as we skubwar veterans used to call them) becomes a janny who rules over cyoag with an iron fist.A jaded newfag, tired of chaosfaggery, is chaosfag's roommate. But he is mentally unstable. He may do something drastic if the chaosfag pisses him off. Realistically it will happen soon
>>97422293>trans white girl>slutty white woman>masculine white woman>trans black manwoke as fuck
>>97422145Saints can spend a Halo to disable their power and then hit them with a strong 1-hit-KO attack
>>97422322The falseflagger. Spreading hatred and disdain for day-to-day interations within the thread is my raison d'être.jk jk haha
>>97422410>and then hit them with a strong 1-hit-KO attackActually just read the cyoa more, they can't use Ghost-Walker for a minute afterwards. Plenty of time to kill if you've got the right firepower
>>97422350The point of him being a potential author is that he doesn't actually make CYOAs, he just a few word documents with some lore about some cyoas he will totally make someday for sure just not today
Ravenking...kino...
>>97422356The martial only needs to get one good hit in. The mage needs to get hundreds of good hits in. It’s not balanced.
>>97422430>blacked zonei won't play it
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>>97422436>>97422435>blacked zone???
>>97422410Doesn't work. No magic can harm them.
>>97422432yeah, and how will the martial get a good hit in into another dimension
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>>97422430I don’t like this one because it doesn’t say I can waifu any of the companions. All the other cyoas in this style (choose four type companions) always had a romance type too. But not this one. Reee. Why the fuck not? Reee. REEE.
>>97422260Meta becomes Metaflux + Open Mind. There's even less build diversity because that combo doesn't have any spare years.
>>97422450Trapping a martial in an inescapable situation is effectively no different from killing them. So, basically, we just have to assume the martial could punch their way into or out of it. Because otherwise the author will shit and piss and scream about martials not having a chance to have their epic combat moment.
>>97422444Retard don't you EVER bait for my (You)s again
>>97422462You'll bite again though~
>>97422453>I don’t like this one because it doesn’t say I can waifu any of the companionswatYou need a CYOA to tell you it's okay to romance companions?
>>97422168funfact everyone in the setting of mushoku tensei has a talent limit that decides exactly where theyre going to end off at for their magic capacity and whatnot, dont have a god level magic talent, youre not getting god level magic capacity or spells no matter how long you train even with immortality or reincarnation magic helping you, rudeus only got to that absurd level of magic because well he had the magical talent level needed, or was it that he had a protagonist power of being able to grow to god level anyways, well either or, it was something like that, so no unless you actually have the talent level required it doesnt matter how much you train youre not fighting someone like orsted especially if he decides to just say fuck it and use his magic reserves on you and consider this timeline fubarnot sure why youd want to fight him anyways when hes just trying to kill hitogami but eh
>>97422460no we don't, the martial is better at straight up combat, while the situation you describe isn't straight up combat and furthermore it's actually the sort of thing the magic "immunity" is specifically not immune againsti think the only one shitting themselves is you
>>97422469The cyoa doesn't have any charisma buff, so anon really can't romance anyone. Pity him.
>>97422470you get rudeus levels of mana potential or comparable levels of touki potential just by buying them in the cyoa, retardthe training in question doesn't refer to base capacity, it's about learning spells and martial arts at a high enough level to challenge orsted
>>97422475Cunning is another kind of fighting. The superior kind in fact. But the author is an autist so he doesn’t want it that way. He’s the kind of faggot who hates the fact that a kid with a gun takes out a professional martial artist.
>>97422470>not sure why youd want to fight him anyways when hes just trying to kill hitogami but ehAnons are naturally apostles of Hitogami
>>97422230He is level one at the start of the series. All you have to do is sit on him.
>>97422490pretty sure orsted has both god level magic and god level martial arts but eh, and again, stop trying to fight orsted, just leave him be hes trying to kill hitogami, i dont know why everyone wants to fight the canon characters in a setting so bad
Some anons are spreading lies that I hate gunffagotry because I am bad at FPS. This is a vile lie, and I am here to set the record straight. I hate gunfaggotry because it makes combat boring, combat should be cool, fun, skillbased and not mindlessly streamlined. Like a lot of different weapons should be viable and the more strategy and complexity, the better. I have gathered the evidence to once and for all show you all that gunfaggotry is for low attention unskilled RNG fags who don't want to bother dedicating their time at mastering a ahrd skill.
Magic/tech is all about skipping steps. Guns skip the need for martial combat. The future of warfare is some fat fuck sitting in a chair directing drones to strike your asses a thousand miles away. He’s also jerking off to anime. You know he is.
>>97422514Again anon, trapping someone in another dimension isn't cunning if you can just will it to be. You are just saying that mages waving their hands and saying gibberish is fighting smart without explaining why.
>>97422514>the author is an autist because he said thing in a different way than i want and i NEED him to say it the way i want! no it doesn't matter that i understand what was intended!don't throw too many stones now>>97422522obviously you don't go after him for no reason in practice, the fact that you can go after him is just a good way to demonstrate that the cyoa makes you potentially stronger than the characters in the ln/anime
>tok is mad at gunfags despite trying to gunfag in entropist
>>97422230why dont you like him, hes basically every anon to ever exist, weak and wanting to please the girl they like even if another girl might be better for them while having an adventurealso like why do so many people wanna screw up a settings canon so goddamned bad
>>97422540a franchise cyoa is already a modified setting, don't be surprised things are always going to be different
>>97422540>also like why do so many people wanna screw up a settings canon so goddamned badAnon already feels like a loser background character in real life, so when he enters a setting with a clear main character that isn't him he feels a need to murder them to preserve his power fantasy
>>97422561Let's be real, there's a million other reasons to kill Rudeus.
>>97422532which is something i dont get like maybe if you have a god complex it makes sense why you cant be anything but the strongest thing in existence but like is nobody okay just studying magic in a fantasy world, eating random stall fast food on your way through, creating whatever things your heart desires as you please in your workshop or dojo or whatever, like that sounds like heaven almost to me especially if i got stuff like dolls or puppets or whatever i get to work on and make that shits dope
>>97422531>trapping someone in another dimension isn't cunning if you can just will it to beIt is the bare minimum of cunning. If you bring a gun to a knife fight you are objectively the smarter and more cunning individual who won’t be fooled by the strengths and weaknesses his opponent possesses. So yes, smarts/cunning wins. Next Gen warfare is precisely manipulation of the headspace by the way. It’s not kinetic. A wizard doesn’t need to fight to win. They’re beyond that.
>>97422567you can do all of that while also being superstrongin fact being superstrong generally makes it easier to do whatever you want
An apprentice wizard takes out a master knight due to magic sparkly powder being just that explosive kek
>>97422151Orsted explicitly spent like 15 years of mana against a guy with just north god and two of the strongest items in the verseWith more skills and more mana capacity you could almost certainly get himAnd if you wear him down first? Effectively free
>>97422565Yeah, but no one's talking about killing Rudeus, he's not even the main character of that story. His story was basically a long backstory flashback that set everything up needed for Hitogami to be defeated this time. Everyone wants to kill Orsted instead.
>>97422158Tankista???
>>97422578being super strong isnt what i was getting at, its picking fights with everyone just to prove youre stronger, personally i prefer to be the hidden hermit that while i can kill gods (maybe if i feel like being that strong) i dont go shouting it from the rooftops or challenging gods and whatnotm i just continue to live my life either in a hermits hut or in a city sampling whatever i want (except women cause consent and also dating and all that but eh)
>>97422607anon you're conflating the power comparisons people make when judging their strenght and talking about it in the thread with the random mundane shit they'd actually be doing 99% of the time if their builds came true
>>97422565i mean yes rudeus isnt really a good person and all that, i also would like to brutalize him in some way for a variety of reasons, but like, personally id rather not screw with the canon much if i can, especially with hitogami being a thing here that has to be killed by rudeus' kid cause prophecy and fate and shit (although i will say once when me and some friends were doing this cyoa one friend wanted to "straighten out" rudeus and make him no longer such a, well, pervert i guess)
>>97421938>Not having a bro who wingmans you>Not being a best man at his wedding>Not knowing that someone has your back for good or bad, for who you are, not what you can provide them>Not having someone who can confide in who understands the pressures of being malehave you never been drunk with other dudes at 3am after the party is over and its just you, them, and the darkness?if you can only think with your dick there's always the femboy route
>>97422576That's the opposite of cunning, cunning would be the knife wielder taking advantage of terrain, surprise and other factors to overcome the better armed gun wielder. Saying that you conjure a portal is less cunning than the fighter finding a loophole around your spell to stab you.
>>97422623you can literally go to a version of the setting where rudeus never exists, it's a basic toggle at the start of the cyoa, clearly you're taking tiny lore details too seriously for the cyoa
>>97422540Anons wouldn’t curl up into balls and roll away. They’d immediately fuck Ais.
>>97422630Nah. The wizard had to prepare the spell in advance. Smarts has higher caps than brawn, but is harder to reach.
>>97422623>HitogamiYou can just kill him yourself, especially if you work with Orsted
>>97422641>>97422630i like how in the cyoa you retards are talking about the cunning stat is entirely separate and distinct from both magic and martial combat
>>97422630>Saying that you conjure a portal is less cunning than the fighter finding a loophole around your spell to stab you.If it’s as easy as snapping your fingers, sure; however usually a wizard will have to perform a ritual or be required to prep their summoning spells beforehand, in a plethora of known fictions, and sorcerers function more or less like typical James Bond villains in sword and sorcery. They are orchestrators sending out minions to gather slaves and ingredients. That martials fight better with cunning, or smarts, is all you need to know.
>>97422633is dating a foreign concept to anons cause it seems like they really like just assuming girls wanna automatically fuck them or that they get to just rape whoever they want
>>97422626that's just a waifu and you're gay in denial
>>97422656The author is retarded. He also labeled a statistic ‘Magic’ when ‘Spirit’ is also that.
>>97422670at least you didn't call him an autist while being a stereotypical autist yourself this time
>>97422561>Anon already feels like a loser background character in real lifeI've met people like that, and despite my invasive prodding I still don't understand that logic. The only point of view you get is YOURS - how can you be a background character? Who's the protagonist then???
>>97422631and so hitogami just gets to continue existing cause why not i guess>>97422653wasnt hitogami only able to be killed by rudeus' kid or smth cause prophecy and shit
>>97422540He reminds me of Gil. I hate that guy.
>>97422523I have little knowledge and interest in the matter. But don't you feel a disconnect between this historic melee which you purport to describe here, and the anime shounen fantasy superpower driven melee that actually appears in your cyoas (and most other cyoas by other authors)?I'm sure hitting someone with a sword and hitting someone with a bullet from a gun is very different, but if it's all based on amazing superpowers anyway I think the difference is minimal.For a visual example from pop media consider the Madoka Magica fights - Mami and Homura have guns, Sayaka and Kyouko don't, but they fight in essentially the same way because of their supernatural mobility.
>>97422679bro, it's a modified setting, things happen differentlythink things through for a moment, what kind of cyoa would you have exactly if you insisted on events only happening the way they did in the story? you wouldn't have one
The ability to perform a sacrificial ritual in the safety of your basement to cause the politician you greatly dislike to die from a heart attack a thousand miles away is a lot more terrifying and effective than any sniper could ever hope to be. You’re also anonymous and left in the dark, for one. You should be glad that shit doesn’t work.
>>97422682>picforgot to explain - I like modern guns with SWAT aesthetic a lot. Buildings with lots of walls and doors and stairs, rifles and handguns, dogs, body armor, constant telecommunication and hand signs, security cameras.I do think guns are relatively boring on open battlefield though.
>>97422630I think he’s leaning more towards the conspiring sort of cunning than the quick sort of cunning you’re thinking of.
>>97422679She's just fated too but you could take everything that allows it to happen and just do it yourselfIf you think fate's going to protect him from you no matter what then you can just boost your "influence" fate into the stratosphere
>>97422664The whole crux of the issue is that it is entirely dependant on the setting it applies to. If a sword wielding warrior is meant to be able to face against and realistically fight a mage to the death in an open fight, then there either should be limits to what the magic can or can't do, or the fighter should be able to overcome things that would blast away a normal person. My point was that merely saying that the wizard is intrinsically more cunning for the sole reason of using magic is dumb.
>>97422523>I hate gunfaggotry because it makes combat boring, combat should be cool, fun, skillbased and not mindlessly streamlined.Just increase the power level above irl and guns will require at least several shots to kill people, then you have more than enough time to get up close and personal and show off some skills.
>>97422687not true, youd still have all the same options and choices and whatnot, you just wouldnt interact with the original story in any way, its litterally an entire other world you wouldnt be able to see and walk it all if you had an entire lifetime, theres plenty of room even for two people, yourself and rudeus, to simply never meet like fucking ever, hitogami would still die, youd still get your adventure, etc etc
>>97422708in that case there would be no point in making it a specific setting, clearly the author intended you to interact with and distort canon plot
>>97422666>Satan trying to encourage gooners
>>97422682>don't you feel a disconnect between this historic melee which you purport to describe here, and the anime shounen fantasy superpower driven melee that actually appears in your cyoas (and most other cyoas by other authors)?No, absolutely not. If you increase the strength, endurance, speed, and dexterity of 2 medieval knights and allow them a couple of years to adjust to their new powers, you would see that they would fight almost the same way they fought before, only with more power and speed. Why? Because the human body can only move in a certain way, martial arts is the most optimal way to fight with a human body (both armed and unarmed). Like, if you give a boxer super strenght, he will still punch exactly the same way he did before, because that is the biomechanically best way to punch. Unless your powers changes your anatomy, I don't see how enhanced body powers would change the techniques.>I'm sure hitting someone with a sword and hitting someone with a bullet from a gun is very different, but if it's all based on amazing superpowers anyway I think the difference is minimal.No, if you do a badass samurai delayed slash, you can stylishly sheath your blade, and watch your enemy get sliced in half while everyone watching are really fucking impressed. If you shoot a nigga before he shoots you, no one is impressed. Because gunfaggotry in it's core is not impressive. Which stems from that is an easy skill and thus not a skill. While swordfighting is hard and impressive.
>>97422158BEAUTIFULGIVE ME THIS NOWI NEED IT I NEED IT I NEEEEEEDDD IIIITTTTTTT
>>97422706>My point was that merely saying that the wizard is intrinsically more cunning for the sole reason of using magic is dumbWrong. Magic and mastery are associated. The true wizard is a cunning and subtle motherfucker. “He’s a wizard at chess”. It’s weird if magic is just some dumb superpower without any effort put in. That’s lazy. That’s the lesser sort of mage who just got lucky.
>>97422755>t. average waifufag
>>97422523its a fantasy setting, make it so gun combat can be as fun as any other combat, its basically just a bow that fires bullets instead of arrows, heck in most fantasy settings all you get is sword users dick measuring each other with their amount of aura or qi or whatever and the stronger attack wins, unless theyre equal or almost equal and only then do you have actual skill and technique mattering, this is also completely ignoring how magic is basically just fantasy guns, the best spells are either "magic projectile" or "magic explosion" when you boil them down, is there really any difference between a fireball and a graviton bomb spell besides maybe the area of effect and amount of instant damage, not really, unless you work with attributes and typing and whatnot but that same thing could be applied to guns and bullets in a fantasy settingalso this is all ignoring that nobody gave an iota of a shit about coolness or techniques or whatever in actual historical combat, it was only ever "how do i poke this guy without getting poked back" and thats it, case in point, all of our coolness from media is focused on swords, a weapon that almost never saw actual combat usage, it was a sidearm at best or just used for self defence while in town or for fashion or smth, war was won not with the sword but with the spear and the missile thrower, guns are just the ultimate culmination of that made with modern technology
>>97422716theres getting to explore all the interesting sights of that litteral entire world, and theres also getting to explore the magic system and whatnot yourself rather than only through the lens of the original work, plenty reason for me to do something similar, i friggin love mushoku tensei's magic system and world building, and its more than enough reason for me to go there and have an adventure even if i am explicitly avoiding changing any of the canon events from the story
>>97422742>If you shoot a nigga before he shoots you, no one is impressed. Lies, there have been entire film, game, and novel genres founded on quickdraws and precise marksmanship. People are hyped by displays of precision at range.>Because gunfaggotry in it's core is not impressive.False, throwing a dime into the air and shooting it is very impressive, as is shooting an egg at 200 yards out.>Which stems from that is an easy skill and thus not a skill.There is nothing easy about reaching mastery of the gun, it takes many years of diligent and continuous practice.
>>97422777>i friggin love mushoku tensei's magic systemIt’s extremely uninspired and one note and barely original at all; of course you’d like that slop
>>97422777>>97422789yeah the magic system is pretty much just basic bitch jrpg video gamey magic
Bombs > Guns
>>97422789>>97422793let me guess, you think outer retardation or jrpg loreslop is so much better at magic
>>97422794sand people or meth lab?
>>97422799no i hate those cyoas
>>97422794I'll have a grenade launcher.
>>97422117The Very Bad WitchSorcerer (Hierophant)Because she loves casting curses and summoning evil beings and also making covens because she's kinda lonely. Wouldn't be much of a witch otherwise.Races: Humans, because it's just how things go. Also new wicked witches must come from somewhere, so humans are a must. It's also The Witch's race.Fae, the ones who actually get the magic done and benefit from serving a sorcerer Dark Lady. Also they are weird and prone to cruel tricks, and will ruin the day of anyone who tries to infiltrate our lands.Shapeshifters, there's a need in spies, intelligence officers and also gross monsters that eat people.Traits: Land Transformation, Miasma, Scrying, Promotion, NestsDrawbacks: Nocturnal The swamp and dark forests spread, full of weird things lurking in the mist. This is the witch's domain. Aberrations multiply in their dark lairs and humans live in fortified villages and mossy castles. Fae live wherever they wants.Units:Peon <Shapeshifter> (Failed Mimic)Fodder <Fae> (Redcaps)Warrior <Human>(Huntsmen)Brute <Fae> (Swamp trolls)Heavy Infantry <Human>(Bloodsworn)Rampager <Fae> (Forest trolls)Amorph <Shapeshifter> (Protomimics)Stalker <Shapeshifter> (Skinstealers)Spy <Shapeshifter> (Doppelgangers)Debilitator <Human> (Witches)Alchemist <Human> (Poisoners)Anti-Paladin <Fae> (Dullahan)Slayer <Human> (Gothic nobles)Magic Archer <Fae> (Fuath)Infiltrator <Shapeshifter> (True Mimic)Magus <Fae> (Tuatha de Dannan)Mesmer <Fae> (Leanan Sidhe)The start off point is Amber Citadel. Fighting force is protected from holy magics thanks to The Witch being Hierophant, so evil will have both the element of surprise and the damage resistance on their side. Locals being engaged in a civil cold war means Dark Forest can spread, and the infiltrators can worm their way into power structures. By the time heroes begin to arrive, they are just playthings for the Fae, to be corrupted, mind controlled or drowned in the bog.
>>97422799Yes, much better.
>>97422760sounds like sorcerers who just get born with the ability to throw fireballs at will, or the warlock who made a deal with a powerful entity in order to use eldritch blast till the end of timewhich funnily enough sounds about like how any anon would end up with their magic, practically born with it or making a deal with author chan in order to just cast the same 3 spells over and over again, and im shameless enough to admit to that id do nothing but telekinetically control metal and swords and do litterally nothing else in a fight (except maybe use my armor to brush off any incoming attacks but eh), unless i was using puppets that i spent my time crafting to my tastes in my workshop cause i love them but im not under any delusions that im some cunning mastermind or whatever for doing so i know id immediately default back to the "flying sword" spell or just make my puppets use that spell or just wail on whatever im fighting or whatevermagic does not make you intelligent, it is a tool one can learn to use just like any other from the spear to the gun to the atom bombyou want cunning dont go into attack magic go into control magic (like binds or debuffs/buffs etc) or into political dealings
>>97422819Consider that in Dee en Dee a sorcerer can be the descendant of a powerful wizard like Elminster, and a warlock’s patron can be an immensely powerful wizard, like an ancient lich like Larloch.
>>97422781dont forget scenes like when quigly shot that bucket(and eventually people) from like what a mile out, you dont get that from being a hobbyist you get that from blood and sweatits also stuff like guns and explosives that allow amazing stories like a handful of dudes holding off an army at the pass despite using the same kinds of weapons, sounds pretty amazing and fantastical to me
>>97422824consider that having powerful patrons or ancestors who were intelligent AND cunning dont make you intelligent OR cunning
>>97422523Didn't read all that shit by you, but if a cyoa gives you a choice of magic/superpowers/anime martial arts and you pick gun or tech instead you are definitely gay and retarded.
>>97422765>its a fantasy setting, make it so gun combat can be as fun as any other combat its basically just a bow that fires bullets instead of arrowsYes, sure, gunfaggotry could be re-balanced and MADE fun. But it is not fun in reality, and I was talking about reality. Because reality is the core of which all CYOAS are built and some CYOAs are more realistic than others. Like urban fantasy tends not to stray too far from realistic physics. >this is also completely ignoring how magic is basically just fantasy gunsNo, there is a huge difference. Magic projectiles in a classical, generic fantasy setting can be dodged because a thrown dodgeball can be dodged, and a thrown fireball kinda has the same speed as a dodgball. A bullet however fired from a gun CANNOT be dodged by a regular human. >also this is all ignoring that nobody gave an iota of a shit about coolness or techniques or whatever in actual historical combatPeople absolutely cared about style and looking cool. That is why many duelists often did fancy blade twirls to greet their opponents, but also to intimidate them in a display of skill. And to say they did not care about techniques is as ignorant as saying that boxers don't use technique. HEMA aka Historical European Martial Arts is based on scriptures made by famous fencers like Fiore dei Liberi or Joachim Meyer. The latter is known for 5 master cuts, which techinques that defend and attack in the same motion, video realtedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-opqsXjlHc
>>97422789yes much of it is unoriginal but pretty much nothing is original anymore cause everythings been done to death already in some variation so expecting every author to come up with something entirely unique to them is blatantly unrealistici will also point out the aspects i love most about mushoku tensei's magic system is the magic arrays that can be used for so many different things and can even be made by ordinary people although you still need a mage or something to power it and i just find that neat, also bias cause golems and dolls but sue me we all have biases
>>97422819>you want cunning dont go into attack magic go into control magic (like binds or debuffs/buffs etc) or into political dealingsSuch fields can remove combat or the need for combat altogether, sure, but even then you can have on hand an insurmountable toolset, and by such a point it’s not about traditional combat but rather efficiency. Metaphorically, a gun to a knife fight. Like that one wizard in the Castlevania Netflix series. He could instantly mind rape you—and even if he couldn’t control you it is essentially an incapacitating spell until you can manage to mentally resist it. He only lost because he was alone. That sort of instant magic is more efficient than simple projectile magic you can hypothetically dodge. A spontaneous combustion is a lot more advantageous than a thrown fireball. You’re not smart or cunning or wise at all if you prefer fireball over spontaneous combustion. Cunning is absolutely about effective application. >>97422848I don’t think that was his point. Just that wizards have higher power caps than everyone else, since knowledge is just that powerful if you can manifest it.
Combat is a failstateIt shouldn't be fun
>>97422872Combat is the failstate for casters.Combat is the win state for martials.
>>97422872I enjoyed it
>>97422889>Combat is the win state for martials.You fucking retardGo die in a war
>>97422855>No, there is a huge difference. Magic projectiles in a classical, generic fantasy setting can be dodged because a thrown dodgeball can be dodged, and a thrown fireball kinda has the same speed as a dodgball. A bullet however fired from a gun CANNOT be dodged by a regular human. NTA but as I brought up here >>97422866 (comparing fireballs to spontaneous combustion) I’ve always considered slow projectile magic to be the weakest demonstration of magic in fantasy. For all the reasons that >>97422694 also brought up. If magic is something you can physically avoid it’s not really as effective or as horrifying as it could be. People chalked up witchcraft and sorcery to freak accidents and sheer circumstance. Coincidence. The people who make the accidents happen win.Doesn’t matter how strong or muscular you are. You can still fall the wrong way on a thin sheet of ice. Someone might be responsible for the thin sheet of ice, too. Like those assholes who hate Christmas carollers. They spray their front path with water the night before.
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>>97422900War used to be fun before guns ruined them
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>he brought a knife to a gun fight >“That’s not cunning! You’re just not being fair by bringing a gun!”Cope lol
>>97422908Wars are most fun for the people not fighting themThe Winners
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>tfw working on draft for esoteric weird cyoa and get sudden inspiration for much less strange but arguably more fun cyoaThe latter will get a lot more builds and let me hone my skills for the strangeness I'm more passionate about, so that is what I'll do for now. I'm frankly surprised nobody else has had the specific idea I've had yet. I won't spoil it and am too busy with my college semester to go all-in, but expect something around march or april.
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>>97422855DUELS ARENT WARFARE nothing cared if the king was killed by the cook with a crossbow, nothing cared if the knight was killed by a slave with a knife, note there are even accounts of battles where fully armored knights and warriors got bodied by peasant bowmen, note how in one specific case the bowmen were also pantsless cause they were shitting themselves cause dysentery iirc, and they still won the battle against the knightsthats for the last point, for the first and second, ITS A BLOODY FANTASY SETTING ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE REALISTIC OR THERE WOULDNT BE MAGIC PERIOD, also youre argument about magic being dodgeable only works if A dodging the magic matters and it doesnt just explode as it goes by or smth (ever hear of airburst) of course thats ignoring just aiming for the guys feet and the ground they stand on, and B that the mages dont purposefully make their magic go at the speed of a bullet, which, why wouldnt they, if they were just throwing it it wouldnt go very far and if theyre accelerating it just accelerate it more thats how we got to guns anyways, heck thats how we got to warbows was we just made the bow bigger and accelerate the arrow more, velocity equals energy essentially wanna do more damage or hit that guy just accelerate it so they can only die simple as after all you only need to put a hole in him anyways unless theyve got a healing factor or smth and those do in guns as well so like what the fuck
>>97422630You are correct and the anon you are responding to is a brainlet.
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I learned the precarious steps to warp spacetime around my target. I had to deal with literal hellish fairies to do this. They made me sign my name in the book of [REDACTED]. I do know spells to spit out acid, to grow strangling tentacles, to grow venomous claws and fangs—but it’s just stupid of me to risk getting so close to the witch hunters who are after me even with all the bolstering magics I know. They’re hiding daggers in their pockets. Safer to just send them into a hellish dimension where they’ll be eaten by the flesh eating worms that live there. The very moment I see them. No time at all. How unwise it is to fight a lowly witch hunter. We are way beyond that. We are too much for them.
>>97422866That's exactly the issue, if you can spontaneously combust someone with your mind with no limits or drawbacks, it's not really about cunning or being the smarter opponent, it's about being so op that nothing could stop you in that scenario without being smart at finding ways to take you out.It's not about preparing the correct spells and knowing when to use them or not at that point, every problem will be like a nail for an op hammer.
>>97422956>>>/x/
>>97422942>thats for the last point, for the first and second, ITS A BLOODY FANTASY SETTING ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE REALISTIC OR THERE WOULDNT BE MAGIC PERIODThis is such a copout. You can think of the implications for magic existing. And it’s nothing positive or well intentioned. This is why magic always works better in dark fantasy or fantasy horror. If anything like that existed, it’s not at all good. That shit has to be entertained by something, be it “the gods”, or the “dark powers”, or what have you. Religion and magic are a lot closer to a game. Anything reinforcing that sort of narrative is bad. It’s not good. This is also why Christians shouldn’t be so quick to assume God sees Himself the same way His followers do.
>>97422523didnt read any of this, just glad gunchads are making you seethe again
>>97422866control magic can still lead to more strategy and whatnot than attack magic, im being reminded of log horizon and how the mc had to keep buffs and debuffs up properly and make tactical decisions regularly whenver he fought, sure it was gamefied but like still it does support the point, especially when he has to monitor the states of both the enemy and his allies, and plan and act accordingly with his spells rather than just solve everything with a bigger than normal fireballas for the other bit, technically martials can also reach such heights as well so eh, it depends alot on many other factors than whether they were martial or caster, i also still stand by my point that magic doesnt make you intelligent or cunning, its just a tool you can use, and your intelligence or lack thereof is in how its used not in having it, although if the magic includes spells to increase ones intelligence then just ignore all this but technically martial arts can do the same especially eastern cultivation style ones
>>97422964>That's exactly the issue, if you can spontaneously combust someone with your mind with no limits or drawbacks, it's not really about cunning or being the smarter opponentWe’re not considering the contexts here. Or what goes into the spontaneous feat. It could be a ritual to perform in advance. We don’t know. It could also be caused by a simple glare. We don’t know. But, to prefer to simply blow up a target spontaneously, rather than to just throw a fireball at them? That they could dodge? When you know how to do both? When you know one of them can’t be dodged?That’s the bare minimum of cunning. The ability to know which is more applicable to the situation.Is your target immune to magic? Levitate a boulder and drop it on his head. Like that fight in that movie Stardust. >https://m.youtube.com/shorts/zwqQaYxMwxA
>>97422988>as for the other bit, technically martials can also reach such heights as well so ehThey absolutely cannot. A twentieth level Fighter is not going to beat a twentieth level Wizard. This is something Greenwood and Gygax have said before. Eventually it’s just common sense.
>>97422977>gunjeets getting uppity again
>>97422956this nigger sold his soul to fairies when he could've gotten elemental magic and tweak a spell to get frozen oxygen antiparticles to blow up the moon and negative mass for ftl 1g travelthis nigger is never going to make it the big leaguesthis nigger has eyes but cannot see mt. tai
>>97423019That's how you get the gods to flyswat you. Stay in your lane.
>>97423011>appeal to authorityThank-you for your concession.
>>97423023Anon this is just common sense. A sword isn’t winning against True Polymorph.
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>>97423024I stab the wizard before he finishes his casting time. Get gapped idiot.
>>97423022most terrestrial gods are only ever as strong as what they can project onto the mortal realma moon god sounds very strong until you find out you can just blow it up, the entire moon, you can just do that
>>97423001That old hag was also the best sword fighter in the entire movie you retard; she didn’t even need magic to kick his ass https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_1Kz9K2TBk&pp=ygUVc3RhcmR1c3Qgd2l0Y2ggZmlnaHQg
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>>97423019>Frozen oxygen antiparticles to blow up the moonFirstly, there isn't a significant supply of oxygen on the moonSecondly, that isn't negative mass, it's charged with mana, and it obeys strictly positive mass-energy-mana conservation
>>97423009note how i refference eastern cultivation not dnd where all the fighter gets is being a regular dude who can swing their sword up to 9 times in 6 seconds if theyre dual wielding and using an action surge, and also magic items being absolute shit in dnd (like seriously the strongest thing is just a cast of wish as an item or using two bags of holding to make a void bomb, and also go fuck yourself most of this shit costs more than an entire adult dragons hoard of gold to buy or get the resources to make)its kinda obvious the regular dude with shit items that bankrupted his entire kingdom isnt going to beat the guy who can cast wish
>>97423001>>97423036Great movie.
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>>97423024Roll initiative.
>>97423036The three old ladies weren’t exactly human… >>97423052Meant for >>97423011 I presume
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>>97423036LMAO this made me laugh for some reason. It’s like those insane old people npcs from Dark Souls.
>>97423047you first create a ball of frozen oxygen before you generate an equal amount of antiparticles so it has something to react against, otherwise you're just doing a ball of snowand if a wizard can just, do a spell and make a sword, a whole steel sword, out of nothing, then you can tweak that shit and make it into antiparticles, it's not going to be that hard since you're making the exact same spell and changing one of the signs, on top of the barrier techniques to make a non-interaction field for your fuck-you-die attack so you don't blow yourself up upon donjuring
ywn romance a literal fallen star
>>97423089ywn be a god-shattering star
>>97423082The alien gods responsible for the arbitrary beep boop magic system say “no”. Sorry.
>>97423098then blow them up, as has been previously stated
>>97422523Confirmed Tok cannot into FPS.
>>97423101No can do. They’re sitting in their “chairs” up in their higher dimensions allowing the fantasy to even function.
>>97423082Most "Summoning" is the reconstitution of what is thereYou can rearrange quarks and leptons to make steel, you can't make antiparticles. It would violate conservation of lepton numberAlso "Changing the signs" means making particles that move backwards in time here. That isn't a very simple thing to do>barrier techniques>Implying the explosion won't alter the flow of manaWith wave like particles what can happen must happen
>>97423053Nah. Retarded fucking movie. English people are weird. Very weird. Also gay.
>>97423101You are powerless to break the rules of the magic system within its confines. Do you think another wizard wouldn't have already taken advantage of these exploits if they were possible? Foolish anon, foolish.
>>97423110Anon if wizards can mess with particles they can make anything they want. They are basically Atom Eve. This is how they Polymorph shit at all. The conservation of mass is accounted for using higher spaces.
When you shapeshift into a frog, the majority of your altered mass is stored in a pocket dimension. This is where all the energy gets sent to.
Transmutes should be the biggest nukers around. The exploding frog spell. The smaller the transformation the more explosive. Everything gets fucking obliterated. And the only thing left behind is a random, unharmed frog.
>>97423125>This is just like my capeshitMaybe that's why you're a retard?Fuck you>Conservation of massThat does not and cannot explain conservation of lepton number>But my infinityThe particles are waves buster, they tunnel through all possible obstacles. There cannot be an infinite number of them hiding in the 4th dimension>>97423129No you've just been spatially compressed and lightened via the gradient of the space you occupy being differentThat's why a counterspell can "Pop" the spatial "Bubble" around you and you go back to normal
>>97423101the only spell to ever have been able to actually have an effect on a god for even a moment was twelfth level, modern wizards can only cast level 9 like wish cause they patched that shit and are also now watching over mages more closely to prevent more shenanigans, oh also like magic works cause the gods say it does so killing them isnt a good idea
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>>97423143Wait, is your gripe that you cannot make new leptons?
>>97423129>>97423136Matteejeeta...
>>97423143>There cannot be an infinite number of them hiding in the 4th dimensionIf the 4th (spatial) dimension includes alternate timelines/universes……
>>97423110Reminder that antimatter isn’t actually antimatter from its perspective. We’re antimatter to it.
>>97423155Obviously?>>97423164No, it doesn'tThat would be absurdAlso that would make it time-like, not spacelike>>97423173Yes, basically
BrosAre wizards world ending threats???
>>97423174>Also that would make it time-like, not spacelikeThe fourth dimension isn’t literally time in the sense that it’s the fourth spatial dimension. It’s three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. It’s the fourth dimension in that sense. The fourth spatial dimension is a cube with eight three dimensional sides. It keeps going up.
>>97423176a single human's mass wouldn't end the world, it's about twenty times the tzar bomba, it would fuck up a continent pretty well and cause all sorts of problems beyond it, but that's not the end of the world
>>97423176Im scared ;_;
Why does every martial vs wizard argument devolve into this?
>>97423194Autists can't accept magic at face-value.
>>97423194It’s just a variant of nerds vs jocks. Jews (smart but few) vs Muslims (dumb but many). Pick your poison.
>>97423125you do know everything is a premade spell that only functions cause of the weave, like, you cant just randomly change spells or make new ones to do the shit you wanna do, the spells only do what the spell specifies it does and even the subclass built around screwing around with spells the biggest change it could accomplish was stuff like changing the damage type of a fireball from fire to idk acid or smth, this isnt "i use my mind to ignite the oxygen" this is "i perform a very specific set of actions that lets me point and shoot a fireball", also like even if they could theyd need to somehow understand particle physics and whatnot in a medieval society that doesnt even have microscopes or germ theory yet, you as a player knowing how black holes work doesnt equate into your dnd wizard knowing how black holes work he doesnt even know what a black hole is he probably thinks the sun is a giant candle or smth
>>97423194>why does the poster who always starts this argument, always devolve the argument the same way?Because of permanent brain damage. He's stuck in a loop.
>>97423201The Weave is absolutely a giant invisible machine and Mystryl/Mystra is the giant AI responsible for tending to it. Magic in Dee en Dee has always been incredibly robotic. Too tight. Wizards aren’t actually innovating as free form as they could. It’s clear that the spells wizards use are already constructed. Even the inventive are stuck. You even have organizations like the Harpers preventing true, actual innovation from happening. They will go after any wizard or artificer who invents a gun. Fuck them.
>>97423176E=mc^2M=50kgC=3e8E=(50)(9)(10^16)E=4.5e18The tsar bomba was 2.1e17That simply isn't world endingStop listening to clankers, the whole idea is stupid. Why would the mass be turned into energy in the first place? Would it not be easier to make a fine mist?
>>97423194Rougechads are aggravating the conflict and waiting to stab the winner in the back afterwards
>>97423194Because the argument itself is a lie where every party is working under different assumptions. Magefags will always consider wizards the same as gods where they can do everything with barely token restrictions if any at all, while Martialfags will fabricate very specific scenarios where they can win or give themselves the same reality breaking powers that the wizard has, only without needing to chant gibberish to get them.
>>97423214So you’re saying if wizards turned a thousand people into frogs Russia would be done for. Got it.
>>974231944chan is where debates go to die rather than be resolved, youre either never going to change your stance or youre not actually a 4channer, its like flat earthers but the topics vary quite a bit rather than just being about whether the government is lying to us about the planet
>>97421848>>97421924Huh? I didn't expect for Realmverse to show up here again with full 14 pages posted.
I’m a casterfag and I like to think casters range from pathetically weak pimple healers to godlike reality shapers It’s the same with science; lowest lows and highest highs
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Discussing cyoas without posting them is haram
>>97423194It's autistic to begin with.
>>97423272Well why not
>>97423272what are you going to do about it?
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>>97423226I suddenly remembered this one anon a few years back being sad because his CYOAs never got reposted, and it made me think of Realmverse not getting posted since release. So I figured I'd save and post it, and of course a new thread needed to be made, thus I did the two stones with one bird maneuver.
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If you have the power to control anyone on the planet mentally. Completely. From anywhere. You’re not losing. Inb4 “hypothetical mind blocking device”Doesn’t matter. The mind controller has the entirety of the planet’s infrastructure to throw at you.
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“I CAN BLOW UP PLANETS”“I can control a single mind at a time”Who beats who?
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>>97423347>I CAN BLOW UP PLANETSThe average power level in a TroyX CYOA...
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>>97423392Sorry for playing as a not-jobber
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>>97423347>*randomly blows up a few planets in the distant universe billions of light-years away*versus>*randomly controls the mind of some insect or something so far away that it doesn't matter*they just slap each other a bit like fat nerds i guess
>mfw they fell for it again
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>>97423347the mind controller cause he just mind controls the guy who can blow up planetsor use their mind control powers to ruin the other guys life in various ways while staying in hiding, like make his girl leave him, make him lose his job, his benefits, his savings, his citizenship, etc, worst thats gonna happen is it ends in a tie from one guy blowing up the planet and dying as well cause no oxygen or food or anything (or cause they also died when the planet blew up), and any magic you give to the planet destroyer to fix that could be given to the mind controller as well
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>>97423427
i hate charlotte like you wouldn't believe
>>97423448Why?She's just a poor, misunderstood, lonely girl, being visciously bullied by the gods
>>97423461>charlottefag actually believe the genocidal cunt is a misunderstood waifu
I love gil so much It actually hurtsI am on FIRE
>>97423448Why are you hating on my wife?
>>97423474NTA. I wouldn't say 'misunderstood' but 'traumatized'.
>>97423474No I'm obviously shitpostingNow get off your high horse and talk about the cute and evil angel woman
>>97423475You are mentally unwell. I hope you get the help you need.
>>97423474She wasn't awful starting up and even [JNPL] says that she does have some good points in her ideology, but the constant failures both external and self inflicted did make her turn into a bitter woman who is taking out her anger on the world.
>>97422016Funny how most of these titles still die to a sniper rifle bullet to the head
Is it just the one anon obsessed with Gil?
>>97423461>>>97423448>Why?>He's just a poor, misunderstood, lonely boy, being visciously bullied by the godsnobody would defend charlie if she was a boy
>>97423538is this softie?
>>97423347The thing about mind control is that it's -Erotic- such a gamechanger that it must be ubiquitous and to the point that it is near uselessIf a single mind controller can take over any organisation then there simply must be one in each. Every king must have some sort of hypnosis based power up his sleeve, and must have some way to resist itSaying mind control is op is like claiming guns or tanks are. They are, but it inspires a paradigm shift, not a single new ruler
>>97423536Proooobably…
>>97423538I wouldn't even think you were serious if you tried to attack aat
>>97423555You’re implying mind control is common. This isn’t guaranteed. In books like Carrion Comfort ‘mind vampires’ (a term used because they feed off your will) are few and far between but are unreasonably, terrifyingly effective at getting their way. Or an entire race of mind controllers like the Thrint or the Dnyarri will treat it as their birthright to subjugate their lessers.
>>97423577It will continue to expand until it reaches market equilibriumOnly once the costs truly outweigh the benefits will it stop expanding, and at that point all the is decided is the number and size of territories
>>97423555>Saying mind control is op is like claiming guns or tanks are. They are, but it inspires a paradigm shift, not a single new rulerGuns and tanks aren’t inherent. Whether mind control is sourced to a device or an inherent ability, is crucial in discussions like these. Or the ease of the use. If the ability to control minds is sourced to some amulet or crystal ball, that’s just as absurdly effective is no one else is aware.
>>97423590if* no one else is aware
>>97423536Just Gil posting about himself
This is why aliens shape their tech like casual human conveniences when they are undercover. It must not look obvious.
Is it a violation of anon's autonomy to have their potential for magic explained by a wizard kidnapping and experimenting on them?
>>97423347feck off matterfag.
>>97423618Wizards don’t care.
Also, anyone with the ability to control minds is destined to become an abusive and evil piece of shit.
>>97423641Why do they look like Jews?Why are they wearing Jew caps?Is that fairy thing a metaphor for Palestine?
>>97423650If I could mind control, I would use it to heal mental disorders, like transsexuality and autism. Hmm, but that raises the question. Can mind controllers effect conditions brought about by the physical structure of their victim's brain? Could a strong mind controller deschizo someone suffering from severe hallucinations? Or are they only able to apply a bandage to the gangrenous wound? Fascinating, simply fascinating...
>>97423658You’d quickly become a monster. Sorry.
>>97423658I would say they couldn't heal physical problems only psychological ones like being a gay homosexual that likes men.
>>97423658What if mind control only does negative things to someone over time? Like rotting their will until they’re more vegetable until ordered to do something? The mere act of controlling a person could damage them. You’d HAVE to be a monster to do that.
>>97423650People who say things like this are always the ones who become evil pieces of shitI would never!
>>97423658It probably depends on the strength and experience of the mind controller. But failure rate for permanent changes would definitely be high with a lot of room to mess up, a single mistake and you've just lobotomized a poor sod for life
>>97423689What would you use it for?
>>97423689You’re not fooling anyone. The only people who “deserve” the ability to control minds are the ones who don’t want it. There is a legitimate fear of power corrupting absolutely. It’s a basic fact of the human existence. All humans want to be in control in some way.
>>97423654Lets be real if anyone fits the archetype of a western mage its them, at least visually. I always thought Dumbledore looked strikingly Jewish.
>>97423692In that one book, continuous control of a person’s mind erodes them until they’re nothing but a vegetable. Only their brain stems remain “alive”, and only for the sake of controlling them. It’s sort of like how controlling someone through the blood in their veins, like in Avatar, would really just cause massive internal bleeding after the puppetry is over.
>>97423618yes but it still works as a cyoa premise, after all we have ones like animus where in that one you get ripped from the afterlife and shoved into a doll body, and cause your soul doesnt fit it gets shaved down till it does, and all the bits of shaved off soul is the points you use to buy things in the cyoa cause its used to power various devices and whatnot to modify yourself, originally you were just going to be sold to the highest bidder but then the factory you were in was destroyed and someone freed you but broke down in the process allowing you to escape and just live your life being hunted down by the artificers who did all this to you who also basically rule the world cause monopoly on magic items and whatnot that they enforce with, well, force
>>97423693Make an OC farm by forcing authorcattle to work nonstop. Just like the kotfather intended.
>>97423693Evil Women, Women, money, and deep psychological observationsAnd also I would cause world peace
>>97423684>What if
>>97423710i mean they did make a golem once so thats a thing, also nuclear science was considered as jewish science by alot of people iirc and thats part of why angry moustache man never put any thought into nuclear technology, theres also how they were depicted in wolfenstein which helps, oh and that the phylactery every anon is salivating trying to get their hands on in every cyoa, yeah, thats originally a jewish thing that got appropriated into being a lich's soul container
>>97423743The body is delicate anon.
>>97423747>nuclear science was considered as jewish science by alot of peopleWhat? Why?
>>97423747The Kabbalah as a whole is greatly used in a lot of fictional magic systems.
>>97423479Your wife is my slut.
>>97423800nuh uh, she only had sex 2 times in like, a hundred years. she's basically a virgin.
>Charlotte is a slut>everyone cheers>Yphont was not perfect>crucified in a pagan ritualWhy are you like this cyoag?
>>97423806>basically a virginShe had two babies. That's not the same as only having two partners, and she don't strike me as a "only for the sake of procreation" kind of girl.
>>97423806>anon confirms he has not had sex with his own wifeShe saves it all for me
>>97423819I think she's awakening parental instincts in anons.
>>97423819By the time I'm done Anon, Charlotte is going to be a loving mother of 5 new children.
>>97423819Yphont was perfect?
Charlotta is built for BOC (Big Orc Cock).
>>97423819>YphontWho?
>>97423846All of them were except Tok's Mom and Charlotte.
>>97423853This single scene did irreplaceable damage to the db power scaling community. It was like doomsday.
>>97423853Entropist
>>97423891Strongest son vs weakest paladin.
>>97423858They deserve it and far worse
>>97423981Whos the strongest?
>>97423981lore accurate soulfire usage, aka son who has spent billions of years gathering souls going up against 100pts paladin who got his powers yesterday
>>97424007It's hard to tell when all Sons die in one hit.
>>97424043>blurry Yep. My device hates me.
>>97424052open original image phonebab
>>97424058>you HAVE to open it in another tabFuck that
>>97423849Anon they don't have- almost had me you cur
>>97424052No, that anon just posted a shit version.
>>97424024>Good is styling on EvilAs it should be.
>>97424052fuck you
Cyoas for this feel?>>97402369
>>97424043I'll choose the bag of unlimited making
I want to shove coins under my skin
I choose the ring is the least gay to wear
>>97424097That’s the winning choice. It is unreasonably powerful. You just better hope nobody steals it. Other than that. I will take the Idol. I’m lonely and have no friends.
>>97423981>>97424024>>97424026EA is so thin skinned and DBZspic pilled that he might just release 3.0 to spite you.
>>97424091Husanon is tackling these themes with a waifu in his WIP.
>>97424099Stargazer, Lover and the Masks
that* is the least gay to wear I think it’s this one
>>97424111>I will take the Idol. I’m lonely and have no friends.Yeah, anyone who didn't take the idol kinda has to hunt down the idol guy to steal it from him. Not even to use it, just to stop anyone else from doing so.
>>97424105Lust is the coolest looking IMO
>>97424124You either fall prey to the Idol or keep it hidden for the safety of the world. You’re doing the world a service if you sacrifice your cool item by taking the one that will doom the human race.
>>97424112He wouldn't need toHe already put an anti donut steel clause in the lore, it's just that those anons are retarded, and cannot read
>>97424105Just take any of them and put it in a cube of solid tungsten and drop it to the bottom of the oceanIt will help humanity in the long run
How does destined death interact with the deathward loop immortality combo? Because that seems like essentially "true immortality">but you would age and shitDoesent matter, paladins might die from old age, but it never physically hampers them, so presumably they just randomly drop dead at some point or another normally while remaining at 100% physical powerSo how does the "you cant avoid your death" clause work? Does it mean youre eventually going to run into a situation where you willingly break the loop? That youre somehow going to fail to upkeep it?
>>97424139Meant for >>97424111 i presume
>>97424140> destined deathDon’t. Don’t make me play Elden Ring again.
>>97424112>EntropistZ releases with sons getting free Super Son God Super Son that has them be immune to holy attacks and also have exponential durability scaling based on souls absorbed
>>97424105I'll choose envy and stealthily become hypercompetent while I prepare for the wrath/pride guy to start hunting for the other rings>Why wrath/greedThose two always will, the others have a chance to be content with one ring, but those two never will be
>>97424133I demand that the author of Harmonist reveal their true identity and walkblessed.
>>97424140Paladins are gay. I don’t want to be a paladin. I want to be an immortal god wizard.
>>97424146EitherStop liking evil artefacts
>>97424105Easy Sloth.
>>97424161>Paladins get a patch that allows them to ignore holy immunity and more brutal power multipliers against evil.
>>97424168low insight post
>>97424140>So how does the "you cant avoid your death" clause work?You're just going to die at some point, maybe it's because of the reasons you listed, maybe you just fight someone badass enough to kill you through your immortality loop. The point of that power is that Dawn used her omniscience to see when you'll die, so unless she helps you avoid it, you're going to fail and die.
>>97424140They are simply destined to die from itNo contradiction needed, they just literally cannot avoid the attack via any possible meansFated jobber
>>97424173>patchanon...
>>97424161>Super Son God Super SonSomeone give me a good representative "avatar" for sons. I have an idea.
>>97424140> Does it mean youre eventually going to run into a situation where you willingly break the loop? That youre somehow going to fail to upkeep it?Presumably, yes. Eternity is a long time.
>>97424176A high enough insight score turns you into a drooling vegetable. “The winning move is to not do anything!”. Like that one SpongeBob episode.
>>97424192Here's a typical Son
>>97424192Generally the guy from True Son is used.
>>97424208A high enough insight and you realize that as a paladin you are actually well positioned to be an immortal god wizardIm not kidding, power duplication and shit seems entirely on the cards if you know what youre doing, you just have to be likable
>>97424209>skeletonhow segs?
>>97424217you just have to be likableSo it's impossible for most posters, got it.
>>97424228Penis bone.
>>97424230>radiant is actually a total power fantasy that offers everything you can want, but it's gatekept by a low but very particular barrier to entry which filters all anonskek
>>97424236doesn't sound pleasurable
>>97424217please set achievable objectives
>>97424237Bratty Dawn (Daughter) teasing anons...!
>>97424228Bottoms with onahole
>>97424228>skeletonHe's a poser. The skull is just a mask
>>97424240We have perks for being sex gods. Read the fucking cyoa maybe?
>>97424240Don't knock it till you try it.
>>97423792einstein predominately i think, but there were also alot of jewish scientists who were working on various things including nuclear stuff and many of them ended up in america and helped with making the nukes we dropped on japan, least if im remembering my trivia correctly, also like angry moustache man really wanted to focus everything on his tanks and trains and whatnot even though it wasnt going to win him the war but i guess i can respect the desire for tanks and armored trains and whatnot
>>97424250>Sons are edgy cosplayersIt keeps getting funnier.
>>97423027Gonna share my shopping list build because why not>RaceHuman>Mark: SlayerPrimary: StrengthSecondary: EnduranceTertiary: Agility, Mind, Vitality>ArmorKnight>Weapons Titan Blade, Staff, Mace, Shield Catalyst>Novice Spells Unlocks: Divine, ForceT1: Light Ray, Mending Sparks, MomentumWeapon Etches: Weapons of Light, DensityArmor Etch: Poise>GuildElysium Knights>Novice CompanionsBlood Pact: Gilberd Charlys, Juliana Angaret, Irene Boceuse, Wyoming Pihere, Cain Cunningham>Novice QuestSearch & Rescue (Horse Mounts)>Intermediate SpellsUnlocks: FlameT1: Flame SkatesArmor Etch: Dragoon Armor>Intermediate CompanionsBlood Pact: Mikael OurenDismiss: Gilberd Charlys, Irene BoceusePhysical Skill Upgrades: Wyoming PihereMagical Skill Upgrades: Juliana Angaret, Cain Cunningham>Intermediate QuestDispelling (Scarab Mounts)>Expert SpellsT1: Cloud of SmokeT2: Conflagration, ConsecrateArmor Etch: Fortitude>Expert CompanionsBlood Pact: Haude GourcuffDismiss: Mikael OurenPhysical Skill Upgrades: Juliana AngaretMagical Skill Upgrades: Juliana Angaret, Wyoming Pihere, Cain Cunningham>Expert QuestReclamation (Behemoth Mounts) >Heroic SpellsT2: CauterizeT3: Dragon FireT4: NovaT5: DragoonWeapon Etch: Explosive Blows>Heroic CompanionsBlood Pact: ElyonDismiss: Haude GourcuffPhysical Skill Upgrades: Juliana Angaret, Wyoming Pihere, Cain Cunningham, ElyonMagical Skill Upgrades: Juliana Angaret, Wyoming Pihere x2, Cain Cunningham x2>Heroic QuestsDefiant (Extra Mana Glass Coins)>End Game SpellsT1: Fireball, Light WardT2: Light ChainsT3: Magma Torrent, Judgment, Heaven's FuryT4: AscensionT5: Demigod
>>97424257only brainwashed waifus want to have sex with skeletons
>>97424252The vast majority of lore Sons don't have sex powers. Earth is just nearby the coomer god's sanctum and is influenced by it, including Son choices.
>>97424260Dark Sovereign dont look...
>>97424268The best builds had it. Or they had Bloom which is the same
>>97424271>Dark Sovereign>who the fuck is that>think real hard>ah, he's talking about good ol' Softie
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>>97424217Anyways, heres how you do it, before someone thinks im vagueposting to crap on anonYou need holy vessel and radiant image. Thats it, thats ALL you need. You then want vaeriss and arastus (ideally at a high "tier" but even tier one is pretty good for most purposes).You create a radiant image clone, which then bestows its holy vessel and radiant image powers onto your companion, since its the clone giving the ability, rather than you, you will still keep them for later use/to make further clones, and dont need to worry about ever getting them back, you can just dismiss the clone and make a new one. Your companion can now create their own radiant images, which can themselves holy vessel their abilities. But holy vessel doesent state that you are limited to giving "paladin powers", just abilities (and that they use holy energy/can be lost if you do evil things with them and such). So vaeriss makes a clone, that clone bestows its ability to copy/steal magic onto the paladin. Arastus makes a clone, that clone uses holy vessel to give the paladin time-control if you have that unlocked, or his generic insane magical power if you dont, then the clones vanish and your companions are still at full effectiveness. Should work for any companion powers not tied to an outside object (the demon eye/demon sword). bonus points: since you can regenerate as a paladin, theres actually no reason you cant spam time control, who cares about the "intense harm" you suffer when you can heal. You are now a druid/mage/witch/whatever on top of your paladin powers, and since you have vaeriss' powers can steal any magic you come acrossThe cyoa has safeguards to have you not do evil things with your powers, but it doesent seem to have tried very hard to stop you doing overpowered things with them (unlike most cyoa, which have it the other way round)
>>97424026There were builds with no soulkilling.
>>97424293Doing that would be circumventing taking more oathsYou instantly fall, all your items vanish and all your waifus are sent to new paladins
>>97424302Do NOT nitpick on Anon's cheese.
>>97424308Sorry lil bro, those powers weren't for your personal use.
>>97424302>that would be circumventing taking more oathsA thing the cyoa actively tells you to not worry about doing?
>>97424209Looks extremely soul flammable...
>>97424302>t. crab bucket denizen
>>97424321Just stop selfishly trying to escape the bucket, and we won't have to drag you back down.
>>97424301Paladins still get many OP auto buff powers tho
>>97424314Yes, you are supposed to be a weak little bitch and dieGaining personal power is considered highly contemptible
>>97424331He literally shared his strat unprompted you fucking monkey
>>97424333>weak>when you get 100pts minimum and thats enough to destroy almost anyone if you build properlyanon is a brainlet who cant into builds it seems
>>97424334I was going to do a bit but I can't commit to the twisted logic enough to finish writing it
>>97424349It's okay, we can't all be falseflaggers.
>>97424349AhhhhhIt's almost like he has a soul
>>97424332Outside of equilibrium (or some hypothetical runestone-reinforcement scaling or maybe sunsilver weapon stacking) they dont have anything that can scale to a sons powerlevel given enough time (except "punish" effects like soulfire (the most obviously powerful), condemnation and the axe)Sons do need to harvest souls to get powerful "reasonably", the natural growth is slow as shit (its 5/day, and their powers cost multiple thousands of souls each at the higher levels), but given an arbitrarily long period of time their natural power growth should take them far beyond what any paladin would be able to fight imo, although a son who hadnt reaped any souls/done evil things is someone a paladin would have no reason to fight anyways
>>97424342>100pts is enough to destroy almost anyonedoubt.jpg
>>97424293does that even work? can you actually holy vessel non-holy/paladin powers or is this just "it doesent say I CANT explode the sun with fire control, so I guess I can"
>>97424301I only remember the one burhurt anti-gencocide fag.
>>97424364>a son who hadnt reaped any souls/done evil things is someone a paladin would have no reason to fight anywaysCorrect but they will because otherwise they would be paladins the only reason to prefer to be a son is because you want power to do immoral shit.
>>97424349First you resist the need to shitpost, then you don't make builds around your fetishes...soon enough you'll outgrow me...I don't want that.I want you to remain a pathetic, lonely, spiteful, worthless loser so you keep posting with me.Please don't go.I'll be good. No more baits from me for two days! I'll post whatever you want! Post thoughtless praises about your builds!Please Anon, you can't do this to me.I don't want to grow old without (You).
>>97424379>Anon: What's the use of male friends lmao >also Anon about anonymous strangers online:
I wonder how much more traffic this place would get if it was less shit>>97424379I love myself and I'm still hereI do hope everyone here tries to improve, regardless of what they want to improve at. You'll start to wither if you live without wanting to be strong
>>97424369things 100pts can get you (not all of it, but these are all individually things you can get):>true immortality loop (death-ward, metamagic-act, runestones if you feel like it)>arbitrarily high physical ability (apotheosis, reinforcement, runestones)>inescapable teleport hunt (raguel)>always as strong as your opponent (equilibrium)>conditional oneshot on anyone (condemnation)>unconditional oneshot on nearly anyone (divine judgement)>conditional exponential damage (soulflame)>unconditional exponential damage (metamagic:store, metamagic:act, holy smite (smites 2x the damage, nothing says you cant apply 20 smites at once with metamagic: store/act to evaporate someone with attack x 2^20 damage))>magic immunity>magic reflection + magic attraction (evil magic will try and hit you, magic that hits you is reflected)>nonmagical attack immunityother things you can get for "free" within your 100pts:immunity to mind control and time manipulationoneshot hammeromniscient bookoh and also all of the techniques, because one of the companions has them all at tier 1 and you can get the technique that lets you copy techniques for free
How does this system for waifus? All of the options cost the same.>RingThat's it she will be left with no changes she might be thankful for not getting brainwashed but you also have no way to control her.>CollarShe will love you either romantically or platonically up to you she will suffer one permanent mental drawback.Because of her feelings it's easy to make her listen to you.>ChainShe gets the emotional attachment of collar plus you can give her 3 absolute orders like command spells they refresh one each week if used.She gets 3 permanent drawbacks with one having to be mental.The drawback here used to be that she would die or fall unconscious if she was away from you for too long + the permanent mental drawback.
>>97424459make your cyoa with two hands, not one, hus
>>97424459Hus why do you keep posting this? You even used the same pic as last time.
>>97424459>system for how cockhungry is your waifu *wink wink*At this point I'd prefer an Italics' loredump.
>>97424434>gets raped by a party of common banditsThe price of hyperspecialization against giga evil
>>97424434>unconditional exponential damageThat has to be wrong
>>97424459Collar is kind of Erotic cool but I'd need to know what the drawback isIt's never cool to hurt a woman you love (/ A woman you hypothetically love for the sake of the cyoa build)Ring is niceChain seems like much too much
>>97424481I gave my asshole for the Light...
>>97424481>immunity to nonmagical attacksWhat are bandits going to do? shout mean things at you to hurt your feelings?Most of these wont even take up all/most of your points either, literally nothing stops you having both the immortality loop AND arbitrarily high physical stats at all times but yea, at "only" 100pts you cant really prepare for all eventualities, so you COULD end up with a build that isnt very good against a load of normal dudes
>>97424217But by the time you’re an immortal god wizard you’re hardly a paladin anymore. This is why Templars in history refuted as reclusive sages once bad word got out. It’s also like the greatest samurai who won sixty duels in a row. He chalked it all up to smarts and cunning. Then he retired to some cave. Too smart for sword.
>>97424549>refuted retired* fuck this bumpy ass car
>>97423981>>97424024>>97424434EA you were too stingy with your WalkBlessed's, now Sons have been surpassed by Cataclysmic Cultivation and Radiant...
>>97424533>>immunity to nonmagical attacks>What are bandits going to do?Suffocate you?Drown you, poison you,Tie you up, Throw sand in your eyes, Make you eat dirt, dangle you upside-down from a big chain, post your nude body online, Shave your head, Steal your things, etc?
>>97424434>smites stackwatSmites are 60x damage vs unholy targets too (when empowered), not 2x, so this is giga exponents too. Can a paladin beat majin buu with this power?
>>97424464I can't...>>97424467Last time some used to react to the post and was funny.Just to see what you guys think sound better if this version or the previous one.>>97424475This has deep "gameplay" repercussions each waifu only has 6 possible drawbacks they can potentially acquire and to use their full power must not only temporarily gain one but gain more to keep that output going.But only she can stop herself so it's trading one kind of risk (her not listening to you) for another (having a lower capacity to use her full power).
>>97424533>shout mean things at you to hurt your feelings?Anon are very weak to VISCIOUS MOCKERY.
> It’s also like the greatest samurai who won sixty duels in a row. He chalked it all up to smarts and cunning. Then he retired to some cave. Too smart for sword.He was the inspiration for Isshin Ashina in Sekiro too btw; “sword saint” meaning sword wizard. Their motto being “anything goes in order to win”.
>>97424559But cataclysmic cultivation was a fun cyoa
>>97424564>This has deep "gameplay" repercussions-Gameplay centered around waifus is usually cringe, so I'm not interested.
The idea that a martial can’t be a wizard of the blade is moronic, too. The Magician tarot card represents mastery and the ritual. The World being the result. If you’re good enough with a blade you’ve effectively embodied the Magician card. It’s the same as saying someone’s “a wizard at math”.
>>97424580I like this train of thought. I do.
>>97424533>immunity to nonmagical attacks>What are bandits going to do?Does it make you immune to gravity? 10 men can just dogpile you and bind your limbsthe leader probably has a low powered magic weapon too...
>>97424567Tanya Harding is the best figure skater btw.
>Already trying to derail back into this nonsenseDon't you have a magic=science bait thread to go make?
>>97424562Anon you have a sword and they cant hurt you, stab them.
>>97424492Each character will have her own set of drawbacks she could lose her capacity for empathy, become very impulsive, become an extreme perfectionists, have little sense of self preservation, etc.
>>97424593I’m honestly confused. That guy starts casters vs martials autism, but then goes ahead and says martials can be wizards too. Is he a troll?
>>97424566And this is why Dawn is the strongest companion, she can protect anon from nasty words
>>97424599No he’s not a troll he has more nuance to his ways of thinking than you’re used to. He will defend martials and casters over the other when necessary.
>>97424599Yes, but he also doesn't care about the caster vs martial thing, he just uses it as convenient bait to get anons to engage with him so he can derail into what he actually wants to rant about.
>>97424594There are ten of themDo you think they'll just stand still and wait while you have your sword stuck in one?Nevermind if they have any magic powers of any kind that bind seal or detain
>>97424459>dealing with mentally ill womenI'll take the Ring.
>>97424578>Centered on waifusThis system is entirely optional lol.
>>97424597Those sound fairly harsh but I would consider it
>>97424616Have you tried not getting your sword stuck in one? Thats a pretty basic fuck up to avoid, you also dont care how many of them there are since you have divine wall as a techniqueeven without any power boosts youre really good at fighting, and potentially wearing super armor
>>97424599>>97424610>>97424615His entire point in other threads is that magic is relative. In that sense he thinks martials are wizards if they’re in a position to be. The wizard is synonymous with the sage in a lot of contexts. Are you saying there’s no such thing as a sagely swordsman?
>>97424636They throw a net at you, what then?
>>97424459I don't care what shitty drawbacks you give me at this point you fetishist, I will just ignore them with The Fix instead.
>>97424599Got btfo by martialCHADS too much and was mindbroken.Many such cases!
Any suggestions for a deckbuilding cyoa?I'm in the mood for something where I can go out and collect powers. Bonus points for a Earth-based setting.
>>97424459I like this because it will outrage pearl clutchers and tourists. These all seem decently involved mechanically.
>>97424660
>>97424645Cut the net with your sword? Dodge? Throw the net back? Burn it to ash with holy fire?
Swords were used as wands in the world of the occult
>>97424665>pearl clutchersWhat?
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>>97424669Ok so those are all dogshit ideas and the net covers you, what now?Too lateThey tackle you to the ground and you lose. Bad end
>>97424660>a deckbuilding cyoaI'd kill for a good yugioh cyoaNot sure how one should be structured tho. It'd be ridiculous to pick every card for your deck.So maybe just choosing broad themes/types/elements?
>>97424660>deckbuilding cyoaWhat does this even mean? Like Yu-Gi-Oh deckbuilding or Slay the Spire deckbuilding?
>>97424686Why couldn't I just... play yugioh?
>>97424680They don't take my anal virginity so that's a win
>>97424669ah but what if the net was a decoy for the chain rope they planed to warp around you?
>>97424650Ring already is the drawback free option...
>>97424686>yugioh cyoaNot sure if you would consider it good, but that one loli obsessed retard on trash made one.>choosing broad themes/types/elementsAnd this is how it works. I think you also get to choose some ace cards on top but I only skimmed it so I'm not sure. And it has a lot of strange perks unrelated to cards and shit.
>>97424686Why do you still like Yugioh?Why didn't you grow out of it like every other kid?
>>97424459>All of the options cost the same.Then what's the point? Why should I pay for fucking up a waifu? I expect to be rewarded for making my life harder, not punished. I'm not going to pay for drawbacks.
>>97424708You have divine wall, so you can apparently respond to any number of simultaneous attacks at once, regardless of where they come from
>>97424739Why do you still like CYOAs?Why didn't you grow out of it like every other kid?
>>97424752because I didn't grow up with image-based cyoasI discovered them in my 20s
>>97424696In my case, I'm looking for something where you can go and collect powers. And fight "naturally" spawning monsters, that you can add to your possible summoned minions if you win. I'm in the mood to speculate what I'd find if I go scuba diving in the nearby lake. Or hang out in a cemetery, waiting for zombies to spawn.
>>97424680>and the net covers you, what now?It either falls off pointlessly because its been turned to string or turns to ash
>>97421887mushoku tensei was shit too, seems isekai have something in common, dogshit writing and liked by genetic dead-ends or meximutts who are too stupid to know what writing quality is.
Y'know what anime I loved?Sonny boyI don't think there could be a cyoa made of it but it was technically an island survival at a time
>>97424766This sounds like you want to be a summoner/beastmaster/tamer class in one of those "system invades the earth" scenarios from manwuas or whatever. Those give you skills as you level up and are full of monsteras to tame/collect.
>>97421938to fight with your brothers. to endure with your brothers. to suffer with your brothers. to die with your brothers.
>>97424746The greater control you have over her is supposed to counter balance the drawbacks.For example someone with chain can force the waifu to stop whenever he feels like it while the other two have to convince her to do so of on her own.
>Paladin vs Majin Buu >Assumptions: Majin Buu is unholy (seems fair, hes a weird black magic demon creation that is innately antithetical to the kais)Majin Buu power level: 10 billion (to start with, we can compare against the various more powerful buu forms later.Paladins are going to be assumed to have a base power level of 20 or so (comparable to mai and shu), 100 would also be reasonable desu. Soulfire is banned. Condemnation is banned. Divine Judgement is banned. Executioners axe is banned. Equilibrium is banned. Dawn wishes banned. Beseech Light banned. Thats a pretty big difference in PL. So lets see what multipliers the paladin would need to be working with to have an attack strong enough to defeat majin buu. The meteoric hammer, as claimed by anon in a previous thread, is capable of around a 500,000x damage boost at its maximum effective weight difference (going from 1 gram to 500kg, which is apparently what "feather" and "so heavy no one could lift" means).So just with the hammer the paladin can hit at a power level of 10,000,000 or thereabouts. Not enough to even scratch majin buu.Then you have smite, which is normally a 2x damage boost, but against unholy beings a 6x damage boost. So 60,000,000. Still fucking nothing. Then you can empower the smite for 10x damage on top of that. So 600,000,000 PL on the hammer hit. Still basically nothing to buu, but maybe he feels a tickle on that. But this is at base strength. A paladin can get 100x strength (linearly scaling) with enhancement. So with one purchase they go to a power level of 2,000 and would hit for 60,000,000,000PL on the attack. And just like that, you have hit majin buu hard enough to splatter him (and most of his forms) in fairly decisive fashion.
>>97424686>>97424717There actually was a CYOA that's exactly what you're looking for that was uploaded roughly three years ago, but I cannot remember what it was called or the specific options from it. Much to my lament. It was a fun CYOA. I'll do some digging and see if I can wrest it out of the abyss of time.
>>97424727>>97424727>>97424727>>97424727>>97424727You may approach
>>97424823>The greater control you have over her is supposed to counter balance the drawbacks.It doesn't, it just adds insult to injury. You should be at least rewarded with more companion points or points in other places if you have to get drawbacks. Or make the waifu free. Paying to fuck up the waifu is some degenerate shit I would expect out of a trash cyoa. It really has to be your fetish if you think it's a good idea.
>>97424836Then don't take the drawbacks anon. Your hand is not being forced.
>>97424824TBC:But buu regenerates! Can paladins stop it? Possibly. Scourging flames mean that those injured by the holy fire the paladin has cant heal, even by magical means. So with holy fire and imbue weapon (or blazing smite) the paladin can now hit buu with an attack from which buu cant regenerate (or if he can, it would be severely slowed). This would either give the paladin enough time to hit buu again (and again, and again) or simply kill buu outright. Other holy fire effects like cleansing flame (which unmakes magic) could also be beneficial here. But what about other buu forms? The strongest buu form I can find a powerlevel for is super buuhan, which according to a wiki has a power level of 80 billion, and can rise to 200 billion for its strongest technique. To threaten this form with their hammer, the paladin would need one more rank of enhanced form (or reinforcement, to temporarily reach this rank). At which point their attack could reach a power level of 120 billion with one rank and easily reach 240 or even 300 billion PL for multiple ranks/with reinforcement. So can a paladin beat buu? Fuck no. Because majin buu would be much faster and dodge the attack in some way (you can even already imagine it, some sort of super powerful divine hammer throw that would totally kill buu, but buu simply makes a hole in the middle of his torso and it flies right through it) or simply hit the paladin first. But if they landed a blow? Yes actually. They probably could. Some of the banned abilities could potentially trivialize this fight (equilibrium would give the paladin stats equal to buu, at which point buu loses in one hit from a hammer that would split the universe in two), the "anti-evil" powers of the axe might just oneshot buu since hes made of pure evil or whatever, dawn might be able to just snap him into not existing, but all of those arent very interesting so I ignored them. Same for infinite stats.
>>97424844He asked what we think of it. I think it's a shit pointless mechanic that only masochists would enjoy. I don't care if it's optional, I was asked an opinion.
>>97424836>>97424855So your point is that no one will actually pick them?Therefore they might as well not be there?
>>97424870The waifus? No, there is a drawback free option so people will take them. It's the drawback mechanic that is retarded and may as well not exist.
>>97424847So, what is the cost for a build than can kill buu:>Hammer (free)>smite (10)>empowered smite (5)>holy fire (5)>scourging flames(10)>cleaning flames (5)>enhanced form (10)>reinforcement (5)50pts. It takes 50pts to potentially one-tap super buuhan with a single hit (with some assumptions made). This is before things like aspect of the saint (6x power boost in sunlight), martyr (3x power boost when close to death), enlarge (10x power boost).It is also possible that radiant barrage can provide a 10x multiplier on top of it all, since it says each sword is equal to 10x your own attack, but I dont know if this means "normal attack" or "strongest possible attack".
>>97424739Because Kaiba's Autism is entertaining, Bakura A CUTE! and the early card art is still banger.>>97424717>>97424717I guess I'll have to go brave /trash/It's not just coomerslop though, right?
>>97424879Yes the options that compared to ring the other two are too bad.
>>97424967>It's not just coomerslop though, right?It's something alright. I wouldn't call it coomer slop, the coomer stuff is almost an aftertought but definitely still there. It's very strange and may feel incomplete but it's finished, the author is just very strange and obsessed with lolis. He's still around too and periodically posts his whole gallery if someone asks about something vaguely related to it. I think he got better lately, or just started hiding his obsession better.
>>97424609>Anons get DAWNED againThere's really no escape
>>97423308Well, combo worked.I can even confirm that the author saw this.
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>>97424660Closest thing I have. Or would you like to pick the actual individual cards?
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>>97428796>live comfortablyI assume visiting my soul home is not just mental and my body actually goes into a pocket dimension.>cerebral>mysticalSort of wizard type, I suppose.>utility>mount/vehicle>gimmickTwo perks for improving my soul home experience, and one for getting rid of the occasional snoop.>WildsI'll live in my soul home, no need for utilities. My plan is to get challenged to card games as little as possible and cheese it with a gimmick if I'm still hit.>Artseems wizardy>Interior>SkyLocations that won't bother me while existing within my deck.>Fairy Book>Love and Pride>WizardsI live in a cozy storybook.My mount is a luck dragon.>alternate game>sacrificeonce the romantic lead gives up his life for his love interest, the story goes from action to tragedy and you can no longer win with the biggest number, it's now about finding the lost locket in one of the locations>security>news>mediaMy neetbox at the end of the earth>make realthat's how I summon my luck dragon mount
