Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR-era, Arnesonian & Gygaxian D&D, derived systems, and compatible content.Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity (yet do not strictly enforce) to Dungeons & Dragons as played in the game's pre third edition era—less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about. We'll be happy to help you get started on this play style.>Resources, Blogs, etc:http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128 (embed) (embed)>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/86342023/#q86358321Previous thread:>>97463634
>>97473472What are some underrated settings for OSR games?Hope this thread stays up, just trying to make the next general
>>97473472Yet another hijack attempt posted too soon, kill yourself, Fishfag.
>>97473472Birthright. it's the domain play setting.
>>97473472>http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128 (embed) (embed)Jej, you fucking retard.Not only does this show multiple slovenly (bot?) copying but it also links to the correct pastebin which shows clearly that you're mangling the OP. Hang yourself.
Where is your wrangler?
>>97473488unironically barsoom.
>>97473488Dark sun is a great setting primarily due to its huge swathe of underground ruins of previous eras. you are spoilt for space to make dungeons.
>>97473488I like Mystara personally.
>>97473472This generals up for now thankfully.Post some of your favorite monsters.
>>97473696can't go wrong with wights.
>>97473472Fuck you and your shit hijack threads, fishfag
>>97473696Porcs are great.
Real thread on the off chance there's someone sincerely confused by this fuckwit clown and his spamming of 3-10-word posts:>>97473611>>97473611>>97473611
This is the latest hijack thread by /osrg's resident schizo, fishfag. Actual thread is:>>97473611>>97473611>>97473611>>97473611
>>97473652Use Pic related for running a dark sun cammpaign. Chubby funster is a great creator in the space.
>>97473696These underraged gems.
>>97473748What other stuff has chubby funster made? is there anything good you can recommend i pick up aside from that?
>>97473768a lot really. Shadowcity, blood and neon is a great OSR adaptation of VTM, as well as his Shadowrim setting (skyrim in shadowdark.)
>>97473488Eberon for sure.
>>97473712Where can i get good plastic orc minis?
>>97473826What kind of adventures have you run in eberron?
Do you have a script or something for this shit? Or do you actually sit around and fabricate these little fake conversations by hand, hoping the jannies won't notice that all the posts are one sentence apiece and about the same narrow set of shit in every one of your hijack threads? Do you think they genuinely buy this as real activity?
>>97473827i dont know, ive had a good look around, can find plenty of good metal minis, and evne some resin ones, but no good plastic ones in an oldschool style.
>>97473472Anyine used a gray philosopber as part of their dungeon?
>>97473748>Chubby funsterOh I watch his channel, some good content
>>97475056I ran shadowcity last halloween, want to run a campaign for it
>>97475056Isn't he the guy that did shadowsun?
>Anon asks whether a script is posting the faked activity>fakeposts stop for hours>then resume at a rate of one per hour, almost on the minute
>>97474404not yet, i'm considering it however.
>>97473748Thanks for the recommendation, i'll give it a look see.
Hmmm, the hourly bump is delayed it seems...
>>97475494kek
>>97473472are there any good free, and offline tools for digital dungeon mapping that are available? Best i've been able to find is GIMP.
>>97476324Tut-tut, exactly three hours between bumps. You're slacking off, Fishfag.
>>97476324Dungeondraft isn't free, but it can be used offline and it does the job well enough for $20.The only free ones I know are stripped down versions that are online only, like Dungeon Fog and Inkarnate.I kinda wish Dungeon Alchemist was not $50. It's also way way more complicated than it needs to be, but it does look pretty cool, though that's the price of an actual game for something that's just a map tool.
>>97476324I'm afraid you'll be stuck with GIMP....https://eldritchfields.blogspot.com/2023/10/how-do-i-make-dungeon-maps-tutorial.htmlhttps://clericswearringmail.blogspot.com/2020/06/how-to-make-tsr-nostalgic-map-using-gimp.html
>>97473580>today I will remind themhttps://www.nightowlworkshop.com/warriors-of-the-red-planet
>>97473488Hyboria
Why is no one talking about OSRIC 3?
>>97477969when it comes to retorclones I'm more of a B/X type of guy myselfI appreciate it but it's not something I'm going to play in the near futureHave you read it? what do you think of it?
>>97477969They changed race to "ancestry."Hard pass.
>>97477969OSRIC was always sort of a dead game, even back in 2006. Even the forum for OSRIC never had much of a member count and their activity was primarily just sharing amateur-quality material with a certain level of pretension attached. It's a really hard to get people to bite at OSRIC 3 when OSRIC never succeeded in establishing any sort of identity for itself in twenty years beyond "please, for god's sake look at us, please."
>>97479339>another addition to the enemies listfuck off, fishfag
>>97479339What's a good 1e Retroclone i can use instead of OSRIC? Adventures dark and deep?
>>97478178Hot take, 1E sucks & BX/BECMI is the better, easier to learn & more fun OSR system. Everything good about 1e can be ported into basics many flavors, and the DMG is a mixed bag of great & terrible ideas.
>>97479471Why bother with a retroclone when you can just play the original? It's not hard to get a PDF, and you can even get original books if you want for fairly cheap, and who knows, they might appreciate in value in a couple decades.Adventures Dark and Deep at least tries to be something, but I'm honestly not a fan and wouldn't recommend it over just AD&D. Maybe I'm just too sensitive to changes, or maybe it's because the one time I played ADaD a guy played a centaur and we spent far too much time getting caught up with ropes and ladders and there was also an endless stream of horse dick jokes and that was the most memorable thing to me about that game.
>>97479816B/X is a better designed system from a pure design standpoint.
>>97479832Exactly. AD&D does a lot of good, but its held back by all the bloat. BX is smooth, light and easy to pick up. And BECMI does a larger crunchier system better by having gradual complexity to better ease people into its play.
>>97479823>when you can just play the original? I dont want to give WotC my money, and good luck tracking down a copy secondhand for any reasonable price and in good condition. Also even if i did buy the PDF's so i could print them myself, theres no cover files for the old Covers i can find online.
>>97479823>endless stream of horse dick jokes and that was the most memorable thing to me about that game.Leave it to the players to turn every campaign into monty python and the holy grail tonewise.But im open to a retroclone that's not OSRIC, maybe OSE advanced fantasy would be more my pace?
>>97479816>>97479823>>97479832>>97479860>>97479900>sudden explosion of samefagging
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>>97477941didn't hyboria get a 0e conversion or something? i remember reading it and wanting to make a dungeon crawl based around an underground cave tunnel highway filled with troglodytes.
>>97479832BX is one of the best editions of D&D period. you could publish it for normies in target and im pretty confident it would sell if set up right.
>>97480315It was sold in Target.Do you mean sold today?
>>97480349Yes i meant that. An official restatement/cleaned up version ala OSE with peroper marketing at least IMO would be popular.
>>97479339I don't think it's a particularly strong jab at OSRICthat's pretty much all retroclones apart from maybe OSE which managed to stand out as the go to quality retroclone books and seems to be somewhat commercially successful
>>97479823>Why bother with a retroclone when you can just play the original?1e specifically?because 1e books structure is horrendous it's not much of an issue nowadays when you can just ask chatgpt which pages to look for but even then it's unnecessary overhead if you are trying to actually play the game (also it is often hallucinating)
>>97480522Fishfag's arguments are never very strong, but they are interminable, and aimed at something new every month. But right now it's "OSRIC BAD!"
>>97480522I'd like to try 1e, but not the obtuseness of the high gygaxian origjnal nor OSRIC's incompleteness.
>>97480603are there any non osric clones that are a straightforward 1e clone with no gimmicks?
>>97479943OSE is fine if your biggest gripe is clarity and avoiding Gygax's clumsy writing/organization, but it's B/X based (which might be better for you overall).
>>97473703>every time one appears it's just nonstop jokes
>>97479943>maybe OSE advanced fantasy would be more my pace?other anon has already mentioned but maybe it's worth elaborating a bit further considering the questionIn the late 70's up to early 80's there were several versions of D&D in print.The Basic Set was meant as an introductory game (i.e. for kids) with less rules and AD&D had a lot more rules for all kind of situations, meant for experienced players. B/X and BECMI printings were basically following the Basic Set lineage with less numerous and more streamlined rules compared to AD&D.The printings/version history is a lot more complicated but that's the important part for your question specifically.Now the thing is that there is little stopping you from taking the Basic Set lineage rules, and bolting on all sorts of content from AD&D, classes, spells, monsters, items, etc.That is what OSE Advanced essentially is, AD&D content running on top of Basic rules linage (B/X flavor specifically)When playing OSE Advanced you aren't playing AD&D per se but you sure as hell can effortlessly run AD&D adventures.
>>97481281that's quite a lot more text than I initially hopped for producing and poorly worded so let me give a shorter versiontldr;ORSIC = AD&D retrocloneOSE Advanced = B/X D&D retroclone with AD&D content, not AD&D per se but AD&D compatible
>>97480603>high gygaxian
>>97473580I 100% don't get John Carter.I've read the books. Even read some of the comics.And at best it seems quaint. I appreciate Tits Dajerka or whatever her name is, but everything else feels like a deadend rather than an inspiration.
>>97479339I thought OSRIC was just 1e though, and I was planning on using 1e's books in case the OSRIC missed something from 1e books.
>>97483106>and I was planning on using 1e's books in case the OSRIC missed something from 1e books.out of curiosity how are you actually planning on doing that?like what is the system for identifying what's missing, and what is the system for making sure you don't forget about the rule?
>>97483106Osric is some dudes homebrewed version of 1e, it's not the same
Is Old School Essentials worth picking up or should I just get the POD of Rules Cyclopedia?
>>97483918It's not a bad introduction to B/X and is formatted to be extremely beginner friendly. If you are already familiar with B/X, the best that it offers is Advanced, which just ports over some AD&D stuff. It's a fairly safe pick. B/X is also not a particularly esoteric game, but OSE does go out of its way to try and clarify (or make judgments on) certain vague rules that have been in contention/dispute over the years. Whether that makes it worth might depend on how much you agree with the rulings, but the designer did make a document explaining what changes he made and why, and they're not completely batshit insane at the bare minimum.If you want to make a more informed decision yourself, you can generally find any book just by searching "book name" + "pdf" and browse through it on your own.
>>97483918Rules cyclopedia has more content, OSE is simpler/more condensed.OSE/BX for oneshots and short form campaignsRC for long form campaigns.
>>97481235>Can a Wight boy not bust a move
>>97483918youre a dumb newfag, so go here instead: >>97473611
Ignore this desperate troll and his psychotically autistic thread that only the dumbest faggots post in. >>97484362It's like if you told the gayest discord imaginable "Hey fags, make tryhard posts that no one would ever want to read so they don't bother figuring out how fucking retarded we are."
>>97484132>ayoo where da wight women at
>>97484618>fuck wightey where my piggaz at?
>>97484603>this desperate troll>his psychotically autistic thread>the dumbest faggots post in>the gayest discord imaginable>Hey fags>how fucking retarded we areIncredibly desperate and pathetic stream of ad hominem. Care to post a character sheet or discuss your latest session?
>>97481235>It's OK to be a Wight
>>97484603Dont feed the troll.
>>97473696GrueI use them in my dungeon kinda like ghouls that are afraid of light essentially. Once the torches go out, the noises start far away.
>>97485213lmao not a troll, and notice how no one here answered his question, even those replying to him? Its because you genuinely dont know the rules of the game
>>97484603Boy, someone's mad that his trolling isn't working.
>>97485479if you ignore it for long enough, they get bored and go away.Now, back on topic. What are you working on anon? im ironing out the details of my dungeon, im pretty tempted to add a second faction to floor 2 but worried it might be too much for something i plan to only really run as a oneshot.
>>97485553>they get bored and go awayYou never have
>>97485553>if you ignore it for long enough, they get bored and go away.AYRT and I have yet to see evidence of you getting bored and fucking off. For example, this thread exists.
>>97483106AFAIK OSRIC deliberately excludes the psionic rules for some reason. other then that im not sure what else is missing.
>>97485605>OSRIC deliberately excludes the psionic rules for some reasonGood riddance
>>97477941
>>97479471>>97480234There's hyperborea for ad&d, but that has some slight rule differences. It is mostly compatible with pretty much anything written for 1e. It also works well enough for something like dark sun.Speaking of that, I can recommend the lost treasure of atlantis. It has some pretty nice encounters. I have not tested the material yet, but flipping through it seems interesting so far at a glance.
>>97485759>lakehead
>>97485605I'm currently working on a document that details all of the comparative differences between osric3 and 1e. Right now I'm only up to page 35 but I'm finding at least one serious inconsistency per page
>>97487725I sincerely wish you good luck, it's a worthy project if you are ever going to finish it
>>97487957It's not going to be perfect, and I'm not autistic enough to make it perfect, but hopefully it should illustrate some of the interesting departures
>>97485685>1e purists want ad&d RAW>except psionic rulesHow does this cognitive dissonance function?
>>97488892>retard can't cope with existence of multiple posters
>>97488892It's just called "hypocrisy".
>>97488926c >>97488924
>>97488926Make's sense, a lot of them don't even have a proper argument and just resort to ad hominem as well. You've kinda just won if they do that.
>>97485269Got a statblock for them?
>>97489001>Make'sYou still dont know how to use an apostrophe? holy kek>>97489084>got any more samefag convo fake-engagement for me?
>>97485882>Speaking of that, I can recommend the lost treasure of atlantis. It has some pretty nice encounters. I have not tested the material yet, but flipping through it seems interesting so far at a glance.okay, but does it have thick or thin walls ??
>>97489174>walls as thick as a decade is long
>>97489218parsecs measure distance, not time...
>>97489084I use ghouls but renove the undead special rules and give them a forced morale check when encountering light.
>>9748921811 feet??!?!?!?
>>97489258Are you calling Harn Solo a liar?
>>97489258>his space hexes don't measure time
>>97489258>>97489454In my house rules, I've converted the spacecrawling to time-based because it's more convenient!
>>97473488Shadowrim.
>>97476358Who is fishfag?Why people keep accusing other people of being fishfag?And why bumping a thread asking for info on a map tools makes you fishfag?Thanks.
>>97490076You're talking to the ACKShill, famous for telling a boring story about his players selling fish and then eventually having the funniest meltdown over people calling it boring.When people called the story boring, he had a wild tantrum, and that's when the ACKShill began calling everyone "fishfag." He continued doing that in later threads to anyone who criticized ACKS, and eventually even extending that to anyone who disagreed with him in any way. When ACKS launched a more recent kickstarter, ACKShill actually went around the board, trying to promote the game. He posted in the /5eg/ and got swiftly told to fuck off and his posts were deleted, and then tried in the /3eg/, where the residents there instead began to mock the shit out of him and his game. Eventually, the bullying got so bad, that the ACKShill posted perhaps that aforementioned funniest meltdown.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96434718/#96583816
>>97490076It should be clear to you from this entire post >>97490116 and how blatantly biased it is, that it is pure revisionist history.
>>97490076>>97490116You're talking to the Fishfag, famous for getting mad at a story about someone's players selling fish and then eventually having the funniest meltdown over people liking a game they hate.When people called his meltdown hysterical, he had a wild tantrum, and that's when the /osrg/ began calling him "fishfag." They continued doing that to this day. It has stuck much more than the variety of flaseflags fishfag has come up with lolcow and pickles. When fishfag launched a their most recent spergout he went around the board, trying to promote his faggery. He posted in the /5eg/ and got swiftly told to fuck off, he tried to merge the 3.5 and pf general and his posts were deleted and the residents there instead began to mock the shit out of him and his game. /osrg/ discovered he was also the anon who spergs out about nightland and has been trolling the general for years about 2nd edition. Eventually, the bullying got so bad, that fishfag posted perhaps that aforementioned funniest meltdown https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97333907/#q97333974
>>97490140Judging by how you are the enemy of all truth, you've just given it a pretty good endorsement.General reminder that the everything the ACKShill says should be treated as him doing his best to deceive you, and the truth is often the direct opposite of what he's trying to convince you of.
>>97490162>I FIGHT FOR TRUTH AND FREEDOM ON THE INTERNET ABOUT DND lmao fish you are too precious.
>>97490116Literally only you found it boring.
>>97490162His strategy is "if i project and gaslight hard enough eventually people will totally believe me; theyre all idiots."
>>97481281>meant for experienced players.The actual initial reason for Advanced, according to Gygax at the time, was to create a ruleset specifically with tournaments in mind. While Basic required a fair amount of DM interpretation for various circumstances not covered in the rules, with Advanced they hoped to create a unified expanded ruleset so that players playing under different DMs would all have the same fair chance.Gygax even went so far as to try and use sports rulebooks as sources, because he actually envisioned D&D developing into a full-fledged sport, and this was all because he still hadn't fully grasped what a role playing game was and was still thinking of it in terms of being akin to war games (which frequently held tournaments and were considerably shaped by them).Ultimately, D&D proved to have an incredibly weak tournament scene, and most of the AD&D playtesting showed little enthusiasm for "serious" tournaments.
>>97490116Insane retardation from you.Kys fishfag
>>97490116Care to post a character sheet you deranged faggot?
>>97490162Imagine thinking you're a freedom fighter over free RPG PDFs holy shit what a fucking faggot lmao
This guy samefagging like he getting ready for another meltdown.
>>97490162>If I say "ACKSshill" or "trollcow" or "BrOSR", nobody will know I'm fishfag.We've already explained to you that it's exact opposite.You're an actual retard, as in someone with some kind of literal developmental issue, so you will always be recognisable, fishfag. But you make it even more obvious by trying to convince people that there's a secret cabal who's conspiring against you.
