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Welcome to the Old School Renaissance/Revival General, the thread dedicated to the OSR Movement, derived systems, and compatible content.

Broadly, OSR games encourage (yet do not strictly enforce) a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as played in the game's pre third edition era—less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.


>Resources, Blogs, etc:
http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128

>New to the OSR? Read this for a guide on the general principles
https://drive.google.com/file/u/0/d/1rN5w4-azTq3Kbn0Yvk9nfqQhwQ1R5by1/view?usp=sharing&pli=1a

>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/86342023/#q86358321
Previous thread:
>>97428414
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Want to contribute to the thread but don't know where to start? Use this table.

>1. Make a spell
>2. Make a monster
>3. Make a dungeon special
>4. Make a wilderness location
>5. Make an urban set piece
>6. Make a magic item
>7. Make a class, race, or race-as-class
>8. Make a 4-10 room lair.
>9. Make a trap
>10. Roll 2D10 and combine
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why no n00b guides?
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Hijack thread with a modified OP by our resident troll, fishfag. The proper new thread will be posted when the real thread >>97428414 reaches page 10.
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>>97463634
Let's start the thread off with something interesting. What is your go to "teaching" module for inducting new players? Specifically something that is designed around being a tutorial. Theres plenty if starter du geons but the only "tutorial" dungeon i know of is TOTSK. have you made your own anons? Do you know any others?
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The "first decade" qualification has been in use in the OP non-stop since 2019. Fishfag is trying to steal /osrg/ by modifying the OP. Don't post here, the real thread is here: >>97428414
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>>97463723
I have a dummy dungeon that consists of just five rooms, designed to teach the basics. There's an obstacle, a wandering NPC, a trap, a puzzle, and a fight, though what order the players encounter them can really change things around.

>>97463731
That's wrong. You changed the OP in only the last few months, and you're being really slimy about how you're pretending you didn't.
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>>97463723
I really like The Incandescent Grottoes, and The Black Wyrm of Brandonsford after changing the magical weapons, especially the Axe
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>>97463763
>just five rooms
Am i the inly one who hates 5 room dungeons? They feel antithetical to an open design and are just a linear path with extra steps. I want something with choice but lessons incorporated.
also dont feed the troll
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>>97463769
>The Incandescent Grottoes
Not heard of this one. Will give it a look see.
>The Black Wyrm of Brandonsford
Isn't this the module questing beast really liked? What's it like?
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>>97463634
Fake thread made by a disruptive faggot troll, jannies please delete

>>97463723
For example, this is the same fake discussion starter he's tried at least twice recently which can be easily confirmed in the archives.
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FIshfag hijack thread. Real thread continues to be:

>>97428414
>>97428414
>>97428414

Proper new thread will be up once the old one hits page 9 or so.
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Reminder that the wicked, dastardly change in the OP text from last October that OP is bent out of shape about was merely to take out the words "broadly" and "encourages" since this faggot had spent weeks shitting up thread after thread trying to use those two words to make "first decade" include 1991, and to insert a clause that says "2e is off topic, please take it elsewhere" to make it clear enough that even a janny could understand that we don't want every thread to be him arguing with all comers about how 2e is totally OSR.

That's it, that's the sum total of the change. No new games were made off topic or on-topic, the scope of the thread did not change at all, the change only clarified what was already the case , to help the mentally handicapped.
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>>97463731
Kill yourself, liar. Proof that 'first decade' has been in use non-stop since 2019 is here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/first%20decade/type/op/
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>>97463842
I think you replied to the wrong anon there, but more importantly, you forgot to sage. Don't bump this garbage!
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>>97463723
Tutorials are linear by design, how would you counteract this while maintaining a tutorial focus?
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>>97463731
don't try to make it look like you haven't hijacked the thread to include a more retarded version last summer which you try to make the norm
you have no monopoly on posting about OSR and you are free to fuck off

source: archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97067738/#q97068966
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>>97463789
>Isn't this the module questing beast really liked?
Probably?
What's it like?
It's a very simple a lean module, where the adventurers get to a small walled (made of wood, if I remember correctly) town of Brandonsford, where a "dragon" has appeared and they need help to deal with it.
Here's a good review:
https://tenfootpole.org/ironspike/?p=7349
I played the module, and my personal opinion is that the Axe needs to be toned down a little, maybe just add it a Vorpal effect, because as it is it's stronger than the weapon of the dead Saint....
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>>97463777
They have their place and purpose. Small dungeons come with a lot of natural advantages, such as not taking up a lot of time and being easy for a player to map in their entirety just in their own heads. That's why I prefer small intro dungeons rather than bigger ones, because I'd rather have everyone confident with the basics before moving on to something that might overwhelm them.

>are just a linear path with extra steps.
You could describe every dungeon that way. You could describe all of life that way if you believe in destiny.
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>>97463777
I'm more upset about everything, no matter how big or small, being called a dungeon. Might as well call every monster a dragon.
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>>97463634
Holy shit, another attempt at a failed hijack thread? This makes 27 attempts just this month.

For proof check the archive and search for deleted OPs on /tg/
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>>97463763
You don't know what a dungeon is, and you should genuinely kill yourself ASAP
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>>97463763
>designed to teach the basics
You've never played a single game in your life, you can't make a character sheet that isn't chock full of errors, and you want to "teach the basics"? You don't even know the basics, fishfag. You're an actual retard.
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>>97463769
>The Incandescent Grottoes,
It says levels 1-2, but it also feels like they should have added any age guideline, like "suggested for players under 12".
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>>97464030
Fair call
>>97463895
Thanks anon. Seems very solid. Also looked at irredescent grottoes. Loving the elevator pitch, HATED the cutesy cover art.
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>>97463901
>You could describe every dungeon that way.
No, not at all. The 5 room dungeon is connected in sequential order. It doesn't have branching paths, different routes, it is just 5 rooms in order.
If you had 15 or 20 rooms, it would work so much better and you would have ample design space.
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>>97464781
>they should have added any age guideline, like "suggested for players under 12".
>>97465555
>Also looked at irredescent grottoes. Loving the elevator pitch, HATED the cutesy cover art.
Yes, the art and presentation are clearly for younger players, but it has a really good execution.
I had lots of fun playing it!
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>>97463634
Actual thread is up now:

>>97465369
>>97465369
>>97465369
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>>97465615
What's the smallest dungeon floor possible while still being/maintaining a dungeon? 9? 8? 7?
>inb4 minidungeon.
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>>97463669
Because this is a false thread and intentionally trying to fuck up the community.
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>>97465716
I feel like /osrg/ should do a minidungeon competition, having the smallest dungron floor you can cram stuff into. Maybe 7x7 or 8x8, really force people to take advantage of the space.
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>>97463895
looks pretty good
>>97463723
I really like The Horrendous Hounds of Hendenburgh
It's low level but I'm not sure it specifically qualifies as a "tutorial" or "teaching"
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>>97465788
The most classic dungeon of all is just a 10x10 room and an orc with a pie.
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>>97465805
When i say tutorial dungeon i kean somethjng made to teach the playstyle of OSR/how to play the edition or retroclone it's for.
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>>97465698
Very good, this shitty troll thread can now be abandoned by even the highly improbable actual newbie who doesn't know any better.
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B/X question. Probably this is asked very often but...

A14th level cleric has the following spells prepared
1st: 6; 2nd: 5; 3rd: 5; 4th: 5; 5th: 4.

A14th level Magic-User (more XP needed) has the following spells prepared
1st: 4; 2nd: 4; 3rd: 4; 4th: 4; 5th: 3; 6th: 3.

Now I understand that (A) those 3 6th level spells make a HUGE difference and (B) Clerical Spells are WAY less powerful or at least less "enviroment changing" and "flexible" compared to the MU ones.
But I still find impressive how there are way more spell slots in the Cleric entry, for less XP.

Why do you think the designers went for more slots? To allow more tools for an high level Cleric to fix the party due to all the horrible shit they can encounter by then?
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>>97466005
Not sure. MU's get the 6th level spells as a "signature" class ability for identity/draw to playing them. I'd wager for more healjng lime you said
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>>97466005
Healing exists in this weird space where the game treats it essentially as a necessity, but it still remains such an unpopular choice for people because you're draining away some of your personal resources in order to support the group.

Mage kills 8 goblins with a fireball? High fives for the MU.
Mage is only standing because he got healed by the Cleric? Who even remembers that?

The extra spell slots let a Cleric play a lot more like a (weaker) MU, because they can use those "extra" spell slots for the required healing that they have to perform.
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>>97466075
They really tried to make clerics more popular in 3e because no one was playing them. So they made them stronger, because stronger=more popular.

And accidentally made them the most broken class in the game.

Whoops.
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>>97466149
Dont worry. This is the OSR, 3E has no power here. Were all here because of its failings.
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Reminder that this is a fishfag hijack tread, and that the real /osrg/ is here:
>>97465369
>>97465369
>>97465369
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>>97466177
>muh pre-WotC alternate history
Fuck off, faggot
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>>97466149
Speaking of the edition that caused the OSR, aren't there some fake OSR games that sneak in 3.x buildgarbage? I know that WWN & ACKS do this.
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>>97466233
>Speaking of the edition that caused the OSR
>let me just force this meme as hard as I can
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What ever happened to that guy that posted updates about his BFRPG campaign that was like on 70 sessions or some shit? Did he died?
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>>97466355
He posted in the real /osrg/ two or three weeks back
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>>97466233
>Speaking of the edition that caused the OSR
You mean 2e?

>I know that WWN & ACKS do this.
No, they don't contain any 2e trash. Macris especially has much more sense than that, he's a true OSR stalwart.
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>>97466355
Hopefully we see more of him.
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>>97465716
8x8 mini dungeon contest.
Hmmm.
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>>97465828
That pie is mine.
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>>97465828
What kind of pie are we talking here?
Banana cream? Apple? Meat? Blueberry? Chicken?
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>>97466981
Cow pie. The orc could not leave his post.
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>>97467005
you can turn cow manure into fuel or explosives. make cow molotov cocktails and toss them at goblins.
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It's a cream pie, you dummies. Look at the image again
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>>97467091
That is what the orc wants you to think.
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>>97463634
Im thinking of starting a minidungeon challenge for the general here.
Trying to iron out the details of the challenge, so far im thinking
>9x9 floors
Any other restrictions you could do in it?
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>>97467091
There's more than one image of that scenario.
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>>97467587
Is this an inside joke i'm not in on?
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>>97463723
>fishfuck
>the only tutorial dungeon he knows is totsk
Get fucked.
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>>97463763
>I have a 5 room dungeon
This is somehow worse. Total fuckhead thread.
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>>97467883
Please don't bump this bullshit thread. Make OP do it himself
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>>97465788
>>97466742
>>97465716
>reinvents the index card dungeon samefagging as /osrg/
You can't even fill in a character sheet.
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>>97467891
Everyone needs to see how fucked this is.
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>>97467897
Eh, you do you I guess
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>>97467737
http://web.archive.org/web/20010805205352/http://www.montecook.com:80/arch_lineos11.html
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>>97465716
Wow, those are some thick walls. I thought we agreed that thin walls are better than thick walls?
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>>97466005
cleric spell and turning tables are a bit wacky before 1e
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>>97463763
Lol you listened to Matt Colville? Lmao, figured people like you would be contained on Reddit.
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>>97468291
Fishfag belongs there with the rest of the people who think OSR is whatever you want it to be, but he won't go there. I suspect he got banned for life for being himself.
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>D&D 3.0e was published in 2000
>D&D 3.5e was published in 2003
>C&C was published in 2004
>C&C was the first OSR game and it defines the OSR movement
Therefore, C&C was a reaction to D&D 3.5e.
Hence:
>D&D 3.5e is off-topic.
>D&D 3.0e is OSR.

Post your favourite D&D 3.0e monsters.
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>>97468707
I'll start. I think the Aboleth is really cool
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>>97468713
The Achaierai is also very good
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>>97468713
Good monster. Thanks for posting.
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>>97468723
Glad you like it! But name one (You) like!
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>>97468727
Right! I think 3.0e animated objects are good, but I dont have an image. Can you post one for me?
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>>97468735
Happy to help! Here's the image. Comment in the next post.
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>>97468739
Comment: Yeah, 3.0e constructs in general are really good and very OSR. Too bad 3.5e ruined them. Look at this bad boy
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>>97468743
Wow very good post. What monster is that?
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>>97468747
It's a gargoyle. Although come to think of it I think 3.0e golems are better. Look at it!
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>>97468751
Oops forgot to post the golem, sorry!
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>>97468751
lol you forgot to post the image
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>>97468754
oh here it is
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>>97468754
mmmh
i dont know. i prefer the 3.0e planetouched to the constructs. Theyre more osr
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>>97468770
you mean like the 3.0e tiefling? yes theyre very osr
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>>97468775
tieflings good but a bit overused in the osr. i think aasimars better
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>>97468779
are you joking? aasimars way overdone in the osr. its almost the quintessential osr monster. too bad 3.5e ruined it.
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>>97468786
yes look at that moustache. its the best moustache on the osr scene
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>>97468790
i mean if were talking moustache than we cant not mention the 3.0e frost giant moustache. so osr. too bad 3.5e ruined it and the osr in general
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>>97468800
come thats a good mustash but the asimar mustashs better. but yes 3.5e ruined both mustash and osr
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>>97468810
okay yes the asimar mustachs better. but what about goatys? i think the satyr goatys very good
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>>97468823
its a very good goaty. hehe also its natural that a satir has a goaty
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>>97468823
lol!
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>>97468832
you see what i did there?
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>>97468836
i see what you did there its a very good joke. thanks for posting
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>>97468837
youre welcome i came up with it myself
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>>97468843
theres so many good osr jokes in 3.0e. like the tendriculous. you know why its called like that?
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>>97468843
Good question i dont know
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>>97468851
oops meant to reply to >>97468848
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>>97468857
dont worry no big deal i got it
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>>97468861
okay but i still dont get why its called tendriculous. i agree its very osr though
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>>97468867
hint: something to do with tendrils
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>>97468869
yeah i got that but whats about the other part
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>>97468872
the other parts ridiculous! tendriculous + ridiculous = tendriculous
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>>97468873
Oh i see i wouldnt ever get it by myself im an esl subhuman
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>>97468878
dont be so harsh on yourself after all youre the one who updated the osr definition to include 3.0e and exclude 3.5e. i think you made a very strong case that osr was born as a reaction to 3.5e because it wanted to bring dnd back to 3.0e and now i see its very true. i see all the ways that 3.0e is osr but 3.5e isnt
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>>97468887
what do you think are the main differences between 3e (osr) and 3.5e (not osr)?
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>>97468894
well for starters bards received more skill points and spells on their spell lists were changed. thats very not osr
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>>97468899
thats true and clerics can spontaneously cast cure in 3.0e they cant
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>>97468907
thats true. also animal companions advance as the druid levels up in 3.5e, thats too strong, not osr at all. also druids got many more spells. i think 3.0e was more osr in this regard
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>>97468911
Yes and how they changed the fighters feats? they didnt only overholed it but also rewrote them. thats not osr at all
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>>97468917
yes or how monks flurry of blows was changed and received different options. not osr at all. also it didnt help much in the long run because of mad
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>>97468921
whats a mad
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>>97468922
multipl attirbute dependencie. a very osr concept
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>>97468925
i see are paladin's mad?
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>>97468930
dont know but another thing they changed in 3.5e is that paladin's can summon their mounts. in 3.0e theyre ever-present, whichs much more osr
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>>97468936
yes ever-presents very osr
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>>97468940
another change that broke osr is how in 3.5e ranger's received a hit die increase, more skill point's, favored enemy and animal companion also received large revisions for the class, making it very much not osr
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>>97468946
true or how sorceror's have the ability to change spell when they level up not osr at all
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>>97468848
>you know why its called like that?
its tender, but ridiculous
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maybe it's the drugs, but this 3.0e/ESL discussion is cracking me up.

good thread, /osrg/. you never fail to surprise.
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>>97468707
C&C started being made around 2002. It took roughly about two years to make the game.
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>>97469106
Yes, but that's because they knew that 3.5e was in production, and they knew where that was headed. They wanted to save the OSR before it could be ruined.
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>>97469112
youre right but dont feed the troll
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>>97469129
yes im sory but thats insane how could one claim that 3.5e is also osr? its obvious that the dividing line is between 3e and 3.5e. i cant resist replying to the troll
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>97469129
>97469112
For a guy pretending it's everyone else who is a singular troll, you sure do a lot of trolling and samefagging.
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>>97469133
lets talk about games
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>>97466355
probably driven off by the retards who think they have a monopoly on OSR gaming
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>>97469134
>uses apostrophes
youre doing it wrong anon, thats just how this general rolls, as established by our lord fishfag. if you dont like it make your own general. picrel
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>>97469150
yes thats the kind of totally not samefagged posts that one day i espire to be able to elmulate
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>>97469140
the rteards who want to ecxlude 3e from osr! i hate them too theyre discusting.
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the retarded arguments for OSR not including 2e have come full retarded circle to claims that OSR wasn't in fact a reaction to WotC, 3e and everything
and it's hilarious these people think they are being cleaver instead of seeing they are retarded
I guess it's the too stupid to realize how stupid you are case
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>>97469182
>these people
Let's be firm about something. The current troll infesting this thread is just samefagging as hard as he can, which is ironic because his first move is always to accuse everyone else of being one person.

He is hypocrisy incarnate.
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>>97469182
he also wasted more than an hour of his life straight producing mindnumbingly dumb posts in the dozens
like non-stop

he thinks he is totally pwning anyone but himself
let that sink in
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>>97469182
>>97469206
>>97469305
>totally not samefagging
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>>97469305
>>97469206
>>97469182
Don't feed the troll.
Now. Let's get back to the thread. Post maps.
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>>97469159
agread, theyre discussing
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How to make blades in the dark more osr?
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>>97469182
>>97469206
>>97469305
youlre ight, your sequnce of three posts replying yourself is very convincig and cleaver. now please instead of deeding the trolls, discus your favorite 3.0 features but kidly not 2e sicne your right! Its not OSR!!!!
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>>97469429
how to make it LESS osr would be a better question!

because its extreamly osr already, get it!?!
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
Ah, yes, such great discussion with actual content. Totally not the same maps you post in every one of your threads, fishfag.
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>>97469429
make it more like 3e its the quitnesensial osr game
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
Map from AX1 The Sinister Stone of Sakkara, by Alexander Macris. Fantastic adventure.
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>>97469462
Second level.
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>>97469462
Wilderness of AX1 Sinister Stone of Sakkara by Alexander Macris.
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>>97469473
Sorry forgot the map
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
Map from AX3 - Capital of the Borderlands
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>>97469452
your right, it's quitsnsesnesnial!
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>>97469499
The City of Cyfaraun, always from AX3 - Capital of the Borderlands by Macris
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>>97469462
very nice map, very osr, BUT! the walls are not thin
how do you explain this???
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>>97469510
Undercity from AX3 - Capital of the Borderlands by Macris
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>>97469512
alexanders walls are always thicc almost as thicc as his cog
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
A map from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book by Alexander Macris. Fantastic book.
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>>97469540
another lair from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book

its a graet book for widlresnes avdentures
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>>97469548
yet another lair from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book.
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>>97469555
another fatnasttic liar from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book
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>>97469566
so mnay graet maps i love the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book by Alexander Macris
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wow thats a graet maps thanks anon
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>>97469575
heres another
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>>97469588
your welcome anon their all from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book by Alexander Macris which I highly recommend
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>>97469597
thank's anon post more
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>>97469603
happy to obliege. guess were this is from
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>>97469612
lets guess its the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book
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>>97469617
corerect! have an other
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>>97469620
so good whats is it
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>>97469624
its a dargon tutreltl liar from the ACKS Lairs & Encounters book you can see its has the sinked sheep
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>>97469631
oh i love the sunked shpip
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>>97469635
so do i. every dargon tutrell should have some sonked shpip's
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>>97469642
right its becuase their always atcackin the shpip's right?
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>>97469642
>sonked shpip's
kekkk
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>>97469347
such a good map ive never sin it befor but why its empty inside its all desserts? thanks for posting do you like b4
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>>97469665
yes its a famous model colled x1 not to be confused with AX1 The Sinister Stone of Sakkara
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>>97469671
thats so cool but tell me do you leik b4?
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>>97469675
before what?
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>>97469702
no b4 the model
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>>97469462
The Forbidden City from I1. It's a great thing to have if you can't run the lost city.
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>>97469706
ph you mean b4 the sonked shity?
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>>97469713
its such a good map thank you for posting
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>>97469540
>>97469548
>>97469555
>>97469566
>>97469575
>>97469589
>>97469612
>>97469620
I really like ACKS Lairs & Encounters book, same for the mini-dungeons at the end of ACKS II JJ!
He's good at making small dungeons/adventures.
I also think that the mini random tables he added were really inspiring; he should've made them more prominent, instead of sticking them there, like they were an afterthought...
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>>97469713
its a graet thing to have if you cant run the lost city i also think thats true. so insightful. thank you for posting the discussion is very orgnanic
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>>97469735
Yes, I love that book. So good. Extremely useful at the table. Not a must have but close
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>>97469735
The JJ is the only good book out of ACKS Imo mainly for its advice
also be warned anon, that was all troll spam.
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>>97469751
What do you mean it's the only good book? I think all ACKS books are good. Some better, some worse, but none of them are bad.
>post maps
>NOT LIKE THIS
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>>97469751
I love all ACKS books. Not sure how posting OSR maps in reply to a TQ about OSR maps is "troll spam"
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so none of you troll anons have jobs or any responsibilities or actual hobbies?
that's sad
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>>97469774
I can't be here all the time. Nor would i want to.
dont feed the troll.
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>>97469765
Exactly. Some Anons are always negative. Post maps. Here's another one, this time from AX5 - Eyrie of the Dread Eye by Alexander Macris. Lots of good maps in that module.
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>>97469774
>>97469779
dont feed the troll
post maps
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My players are so opposed to the idea of trying OSR, I attempted to hit them with some newschool accelerationism.
>Martials gain an additional martial character every couple levels
>Casters can fuse spells together
>Gishes get some free anti-MAD stat boosts
>Magic items are plentiful, and more powerful on average
The players enjoyed it at first, but are starting to get overwhelmed with options, and are asking if the next campaign can be simpler.
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>>97469788
yeah i dont understand why they feed the troll instead of posting maps
heres another from AX5 - Eyrie of the Dread Eye
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>>97469792
this is what im talking about! real osr spirit with those 3e style rules
Such good quality thread
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>>97469792
You can only play baseball style football for so long. Have them play baseball (BX/BECMI) And just say this is whats happening, if they don't like it they don't have to play. You hold the power anon, don't be afraid to be politely assertive.
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>>97469807
>baseball style football
Fuck off, troll.

>>97469792
Don't listen to the troll. What you're doing is authentic OSR. Truly faithful. Keep at it, you're great.
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>>97469792
love those ideas im gonna steal them so good
love an osr success story
dont feed the trolls
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>>97469816
Hey i'm OP here anon, i'm not trollcow.
Also, don't feed him.
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>>97469792
These are really great ideas. Here's some more I have added to my campaign to make my players happy:
>aieflings
>aasimar
>warforged
>Feats
>8th and 9th level cleric spells
>wizards get 1d6 hp and rogues get 1d8 hp
>free 5e-style multiclassing, every level they can get one level in a class of their choice
>archetypes. at third level they get to choose a "specialization" that gives a lot of powers to the class
>infinite use cantrips
>calling races "folkhoods"
>point buy ability scores
>free mix and matching race and class. love me a warforged druid
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>>97469850
fuck off with your false flag
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>>97469850
it's not trollcow it's the brosr
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>>97469865
how can you tell?
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>>97469868
they post obvious nazi dog whistles like when they say
>calling races "folkhoods"
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>>97469875
shut up fishfag
everybody else: post your favourite rules from 5e to trick people into playing osr
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>>97469886
>post your favourite rules from 5e to trick people into playing osr
i like roll to cast
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>>97469890
thats very osr but not 5e
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>>97469896
isnt it??????
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>>97469902
yes its from shadowdark like 1:1 time during dungeon delving
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>>97469909
>1:1 time during dungeon delving
thats such a good rule
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>>97469914
yeah i use it all the time in my osr games shadowdark is my favourite osr game but 5e is my favourite
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>>97469922
>5e is my favourite
5es not osr tho
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>>97469934
technically no but they took so many great mechanics from osr that i think its osr in spirit
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>>97469936
what, 5e is osr in spirit? this is new to me
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>>97469948
yeah think about who much its simplified with respect to 3.5e
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>>97469957
you know what thats a really great point
i think 5e is honorary osr
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>>97469875
>calling races "folkhoods"
fuck i didnt realize thats gross
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>>97469978
okay but enough feeding the troll
post mechanics from 5e that are osr in spirit
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>>97469985
ill start: six saves instead of three. its closer to the osr rule of five saves. not strictly osr but osr in spirit
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>>97469994
thats so true
heres another: universal xp progression. its simpler than the osr rule. simpler is more osr.
no useless 3.5e bloat
its also more balanced
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>>97470003
right
heres another one: half-elves
3.5e removed half-elves but now their back
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>>97469774
We just vastly outnumber you, Fishfag. I only post one of these every 10-20 minutes between doing shit that's more important.
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>>97469922
>>97469936
>>97469948
>>97469971
Dont forget, 5e was creatined by the biggest craters of the OSR, Zak S and the RPG Swami
It has OSR pedigree
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>>97470032
its was also created by RPGpundit for that matter
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>>97470011
dont feed the troll post about how 5e is osr in spirit
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>>97470011
you mean your discord fuck-buddies group?
nah there really aren't a lot of you
you are just that much pathetic
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>>97470095
>yet another totally baseless fable
No, when I say "we" I mean every non-troll poster in the OSR threads, everyone who sincerely likes the OSR. We vastly outnumber you, insofar as there's only one of you, and so fucking with you back when you pull your bullshit is basically effortless.
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>>97470095
dont feed the troll
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>>97470160
Don't feed the troll, but what Discord is that?
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>>97470173
sorry this was meant for >>97470095
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>>97470165
thats the troll, dont feed the troll
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>>97470095
>discord fuck-buddies
wait
there's HOMOSEXUALS in that discord? I wants join. Send an invite.
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>>97470181
shut the fuck up troll
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>>97470160
you know I know so why persist? it doesn't really work and it's not convincing
nah you are such a pathetic bunch it's almost scary a man's life can be so worthless
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>>97470183
sorry to disappoint you anon but our discord is full of hot chicks who like osr and banging nerds, its not a tranny discord
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>>97470095
>discord fuck-buddies group
fishfag and his friends have sex between them?
thats disgusting
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>>97470197
>t. Solitary Troll known to everyone
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>>97470203
that explains why fishfag has never played a game in its life
It's too busy fucking on discord.
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>>97470193
you first troll, shut up or get shut down!!!
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>>97470199
>full of hot chicks who like osr and banging nerds
Eww
I'll pass
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>>97470219
whose the troll
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>>97470095
wow
that raelly made them argry
keep at it were wining
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>>97470237
im not angry im just very gay and nobody invited me to the osrg fuckbuddy discord
dont feed the troll tho post osr monsters from the 3e book
heres whatever the fuck this thing is
very osr
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>>97470237
wining and dining bbeeeeyyyyyyy!!!
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>>97470252
were winning the osr fuckbuddy discord is being closed down as we speak
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>>97470263
shut up troll
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>>97470277
no you got it backwards its troll shut down
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>>97469462
Damn Macris is doing such a good work one of the best OSR authors on the market
why can't he feel satisfied by it?
would you give Macris a big hug if you could cure him of depression?
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>>97470310
>would you give Macris a big hug if you could cure him of depression?
I absolutely would sleep cuddling with him. He's the best RPG creator after Gygax and Arneson, and a very sexy man. Tell him and your discord fuck-buddies that the /osrg/ love him.
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>>97470300
Your the troll
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>>97470310
Jokes aside, I'm genuinely sorry for him. I found a spelling mistake but I guess I shouldn't tell him, in this case.
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>>97470367
No u
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>>97468707
I like the idea of the spell stitched undead. Great for throwing off your players.
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>>97470494
shut up, troll
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>>97470494
thats great thanks for sharing ignore the troll
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>>97470359
hehe good image
thanks for sharing
this is a good thread
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>>97470310
HMMM I wander what made the trolls stop after spamming non stop for 2 hours?
discord anon I hope you are screencapping whatever is going on in acks discord server :^)
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>>97470197
yeah buddy your right
fuck the troll he should make his own thraed
discusting
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>>97470604
nvm I see they are back already
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>>97470249
>heres whatever the fuck this thing is
lol thats ugly as fuck anon
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>>97470612
>they
theres only one, remember?
in his own discord coordinating with himself
the acks discord
and the brosr discord
its all him samefagging
like when he posted a 200 page campaign report pdf just to make fun of us
trollcow is both macris and jeffro
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>>97470612
fuck no their back
quick post a play report
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>>97470606
no, you should make your own thread if you want to discuss only a specific subset of OSR games
actually no, there is nothing keeping you from discussing only a specific subset of OSR games in a general OSR thread
but if you are so butthurt about people discussing OSR games you personally dislike you can fuck off to your own thread
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>>97470586
>I wander
fishfag = ESL retard can't spell confirmed
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>>97470658
Sorry I meant to link this
>>97470604
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>>97470644
anon, I can basically list all your discord usernames with a like 80% accuracy
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>>97469663
Gave me a hearty laugh as well
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>>97470670
Sure buddy. And what discord is that?
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>>97470670
Yeah he bought 300 hundred sim cards and created 300 discord accounts just to coordinate with himself trolling you specifically, fishfag

makes total sense
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>>97470679
the one which screenshots of you keep reporting anon
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>>97470691
English, motherfucker. Do you speak it?
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>>97470691
Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?
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>>97470700
>>97470708
you know what I said
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>>97470570
If you want to do anything in this hobby other than regurgitate the same stuff you must be willing to draw ideas from as many places as possible.
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>>97470730
Not him, but your post was basically incomprehensible.
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>>97470670
why dont you then, troll
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>>97470644
worse, trollcow is also william hope hodgson and wrote novels purely to troll the brave and stalwart fishfag long before he was born (using his predictive powers from astral projecting into the distant future)
a terrifying samefag
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>>97471310
wow i didnt know this. thats horrible
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>>97470644
>>97471310
kek you guys* crack me up

* by which I mean you, anon, the only person in this stupid thread, who is also me I guess
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>>97466149
>>97466075
What confuses me even more is how BECMI (I know, I know...) changed the way slots work in Clerics, but just slightly so, and changed the Elf slots from identical to Wizard to something else.

inb4 muh BECMI - not the point. I am just confused by the train of thought of the designers sometimes.
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>>97469347
>Post maps.
AX6 - Sepulcher of the Sorceress Queen by Alexander Macris has a beautiful map as well. Look at this.
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>>97470249
another classic osr monster from dnd 3.0e: the SPIDER EATER
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>>97470010
>3.5e removed half-elves
Retard alert
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>>97471954
altuogh its not as osr as the TOJANIDA
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>>97471976
nta
hes right tough theres no half elfs in 3.5e
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>>97469985
>post mechanics from 5e that are osr in spirit
infinte cantrips
gygax intodruced the druid orisons, so cantirps are osr and infintie canrtips means more of them so its more osr
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>>97471995
Complete troll thread but in case some poor sod takes you seriously
https://www.d20srd.org/srd/races.htm
Scroll down.

>>97470249
Jean-Louis Ravid
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>>97472050
3.5e is off topic go away torll
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>>97469985
>post mechanics from 5e that are osr in spirit
in 5e rouges can use theif stools to steel doornobs from dungoens
its a graet osr classic
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>>97472050
Fuck back off to your containment thread, troll >>97468182
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>>97472021
>druid orisons
whoo, that's a deep cut
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>>97471801
Yes, I've also enjoyed my own jokes ITT quite a lot, but of course you know that since you're me and I'm just repeating myself, I mean yourself, having already said that in the post I'm replying to.
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>>97471985
its true, you can't have an osr game without a pussyfaced crab-turtle
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>>97472050
this man has the intellect of a roomba
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Since the OSR was a backlash against 4e, what is the best 3.5e retroclone? What's your favorite 3.5e setting to imagine you could play or run an OSR game in?
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>>97472126
and oozes more sex appeal than a deep one
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>>97472138
>what is the best 3.5e retroclone?
5e.
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>>97472138
eberons graet
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>>97472118
"Tojanida" means "cunt-faced" in spanish
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>>97472223
joer tío
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>>97472383
Tortucraba tojanida !!
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>>97463634
Good Fucking grief lmao
This faggot wasted time flooding the thread because it didn't have his autistic narrative pushing OP?
Oh well. I'll just post this proper thread up again. If it doesnt stay up i'll just post it later.
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>This faggot
Can confirm, I'm all one guy and I've been here for the past 48 hours posting everything on /tg/. It's exhausting, I tells ya!
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>>97472670
I think he imagines there's a way for him to "win." I don't think he realizes that him being fundamentally wrong means there's no possible way for him ever get his way for very long.
>>97472828
I think your strategy of being so autistic that no one would believe you're actually this autistic is backfiring a bit, because everyone's just watched how genuinely autistic you are and I think they just find you more sad than anything.
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>>97472963
lol, you are so incredibly full of shit
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>>97463634
NEW THREAD
>>97473073
>>97473073
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>>97472670
Which posts do you think are the same guy?
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>>97473074
>Jannies prune the wrong thread.
>They also pruned the hijacked thread
WTF how do we make a new general?
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>>97473081
Looks to me like this thread isn't at the post limit yet.
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The thread is almost entirely one guy having a conversation with himself. This is beyond unhinged.
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>>97473131
It's all just people fucking with OP, because he sucks
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New thread
>>97473173
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>>97473206
Fuck you, fishfag.
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>>97473131
It's literally like a dozen guys fucking with the one nigger who made a troll OP. Since the jannies apparently have severe reading comprehension issues and didn't baleet this out of hand, and now removed the real general, apparently the only solution is for the entire authentic population of the general to drench these slide attempt sin shitposts and then post up a new general after the day or so it takes to get rid of the trash.
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(LMAO, the fishnigger has literally tried to post half a dozen shitpost OPs and had them removed in the last two hours)
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Quick, we're at post limit. Whoever posts the next thread first gets to keep it! Who's it gonna be?
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>>97473389
>>97473401
Faggot, dont try and gaslight people.
Stop trying to co opt the general to exclude everything that isn't 1e, BX or 0E.
you literally shat up the entire thread, the posts are all still up. we transparently see what you've done.
That you don't believe people can look up in the thread is hillarious.
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>>97473433
That's not how it works, they'll kill it if you post a new thread too soon, while the present one is too high in the catalog.

Also, since a janny seems to be paying attention to the threadspammer right now, we can hope that we won't need to race that worthless cretin.
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>>97473444
This is a troll thread, and it's supposed to be shat up, because your incessant, laughable, futile attempts to slide the general by fucking with the OP are fit only to be mocked. Take your own advice and stop trying to coopt our general, assmangled negro.
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>>97473466
> our general
Project HARDER, you've been on this autistic sperg crusade since october of last year to push the goalposts on what can be discussed in the general.
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>>97473494
Incorrect! The OP has been essentially the same for ouver seven years, and was only slightly clarified recently with the consent of the entire thread. Moreover, if you just wanted to preserve the general as it was, you would just revert to the old OP, which you've never done once, instead you post your faggoty 2e-pushing OPs. In conclusion, seriously contemplate immediate suicide.
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>>97473513
>the consent of the entire thread.
With the exception of this faggot OP, who the explicit 2e clause was made for, since he literally wouldn't shut up about how it should be made on-topic for the thread.
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>>97473513
>The OP has been essentially the same for over seven years, and was only slightly clarified recently with the consent of the entire thread.
Don't gaslight, faggot. we know better. you tried to push the goalposts without any prior approval, tried to gaslight the general into believing it was a "consensus" so that you could narrow the thread to ONLY be within your strict criteria (except when its not, Mr. 2000 page fake ACKS campaign out of spite)
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>>97473526
I don't count him as part of the thread, since he's never contributed to it, doesn't play the games, and in fact has repeatedly proven that he doesn't even know the rules.
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>>97473529
>gaslighting while accusing people of gaslighting
We can see the archives, fag
>>97473534
Sure, but he clearly thinks he's part of the general
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>>97473529
>he is repeating the "fake campaign report" canard again
LMAO you're so fucking retarded, it would be bliss to watch you froth if only the jannies would do their job and delete these troll threads of yours as soon as you post them.
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>>97473539
>Sure, but he clearly thinks he's part of the general
I'm honestly not even sure he does. I think he might just be brutally mentally ill and acting on some kind of psychotic compulsion. Remember when he tried to repeatedly derail the 3e general instead of fucking with us for awhile?
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>>97473539
>We can see the archives, fag
Yes, we can. and we can see the exact thread you started this shit with https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96799302/#96799302
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>>97473555
>Remember when he tried to repeatedly derail the 3e general instead of fucking with us for awhile?
Are you really trying to gaslight everyone into thinking all the posts you made above WEREN'T by you?
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>>97473556
THat's the first thread with the consensus OP we all agreed on, yes. Did you read the previous thread, where we all amicably discussed our way to this new wording to make things clearer?
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>>97473578
>where we all amicably discussed our way to this new wording to make things clearer?
You mean anons calling you out and you samefagging pretending it was a consensus?
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>>97473596
Sure sure, everyone else on the planet is one samefag and you're seven billion people, we've all heard it before.
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>>97473609
Reminder
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New thread (correct consensus OP):
>>97473611
>>97473611
>>97473611
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>>97473596
Samefagging with a nice bit of alternate history, fishfag.
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>>97473556
Not seeing the part where you're trying to revert that change, instead of making a new OP that includes 2e, you disingenuous chode-smoker.
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>>97473627
Yeah he never bothered responding to that when I mentioned it either, for the obvious reason that he has absolutely no response to it.
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All this because one guy just can't deal with someone else talking about 2e near them. They didn't even have to be a part of the conversation.
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>>97473638
its fucking horrendous. He's been at this for so long. can a mod PLEASE Perma him so we dont have to deal with him again?
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>>97473529
>without any prior approval
Not at all, there was a ton of approval, the new OP was dicussed and refined over several threads and the entire general agreed. Only you, who don't even care about OSR games, tried to scream your way out of it, but failed. The criteria for inclusion in the thread have also always been the same, as you know perfectly well. The wording was only clarified, the scope of the general was not altered in the slightest. This is mentioned repeatedly in those discussions you keep trying to claim were samefagged.
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>>97473638
You can talk about 2e all you want, in a 2e thread. You can make one right now, nothing's stopping you.

But we both know you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to say about it, just endless seething about it not being welcome here. Faggot.
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>>97473619
Thank you for an actual non-hijack thread.
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>>97473643
Changing ip addresses is stupid easy. There's literally nothing modern technology can do to stop him.
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>>97473638
You can talk about 2e anywhere you want on this board. Just not in this general, where it's off topic since it's universally recognized as not being and never having been an OSR game. It's more on-topic in the 3e general, why don't you go there to talk about it (= post your empty comment-begging about Birthright) and see how well they deal with you talking about 2e near them?
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>>97473655
No problem, friend.
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>>97473650
>and the entire general agreed.
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>>97473657
>it's universally recognized as not being and never having been an OSR game. I
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>>97473662
Good job, as you say, finding yourself
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>>97473676
Is it time for your history lesson along with your meds?
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>>97473701
>March 15 2016
>"one hundred posts of assrage explaining that 2e IS TOO OSR"
The more things change, lol
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>>97473724
Yeah, 2e fans have a certain perennial personality style, don't they?
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>>97473662
Yes, as noted, you do not count since you never contribute and actually just hate the general, fishtranny. Now, since you keep dodging the question, why didn't you ever do what your own image suggests and go back to the older version of the OP, instead of shitting it up with your own troll bullshit? Answer the question.
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>>97473724
Lmao, crazy how nature do that
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>>97473737
>>97473753
It could be the same guy, Nightlandsfag has been around for many years, and the fish constantly claims to have been here since the earliest threads. Might be his usual brand of make-shit-up, might not.
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>>97473747
>I made a collage of my own posts to show i've been here for years!
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>>97473784
1. I didn't make that collage, you deranged schizo
2. Those posts are clearly made by a large number of anons over several years
3. Answer the question. Why have you never once used the old OP? Why?
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>>97473787
>Answer the question
No lol. You're not asking in good faith, so i wont answer you, faggot.
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>>97473817
>extremely pathetic dodging attempt
Pathetic.
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>>97473817
That's a terrible dodge. You can't actually answer his question without admitting what you've been doing, can you?
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>>97473638
All because one fag can't talk about 2nd ed at all, on account of never having played it, but looses their shit when many oother anons tell them to talk about it somewhere else.
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>>97473645
This.
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>>97473832
Of course he can't. It's obvious that if he tried to answer the question he would just embarrass himself again, like when he got goaded into posting a character sheet, or when he claimed that Castles & Crusades was the first OSR game rather than OSRIC so that he could try to claim that the OSR wasn't about a return to pre-2e editions, without ever realizing that C&C's whole sales pitch was not only returning to the feel of 1e specifically but to Gygaxian-era 1e, with Gygax himself on board and producing content for the game.
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>>97473885
Slight correction: technically the term OSR was bandied about for a few years before OSRIC was released, but the people doing so were all 1e grogs, and most of them thought C&C was a huge letdown
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>>97474058
*and a handful of Basic fans, as well
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>>97474058
>technically the term OSR was bandied about for a few years before OSRIC was released
I didn't mean to imply otherwise, I just meant that OSRIC was the first game produced in accordance with the nascent revival's requirements/intentions.
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>>97474209
Yeah, fair enough. It was the first game made by people from within the community that was the "OSR movement," previous games were made either before the term happened or by outside groups.
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>>97474232
Precisely. And those previous games were either the original editions themselves, or inadequate.
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>>97473885
C&C has 2e mechanics. Hell, it has 3e mechanics.

Also, Jesus fucking Christ, what kind of mongoloid thinks OSRIC was the first OSR game. Even before C&C people were playing fucking Hackmaster if they didn't just have the original D&D books on hand.

>whole sales pitch was not only returning to the feel of 1e
That's your personal head canon that doesn't exist anywhere in reality. You will not find ANY mention of a preference for 1e or even distinction between 1e and 2e in any marketing material for C&C.

>>97474058
> and most of them thought C&C was a huge letdown
Wrong. Demonstrably wrong, actually.

What the K&K losers always seem to forget is that OSRIC was not a success. By the time it even got some form of physical release, there were several other competing OSR games, and even Matt Finch had jumped ship to work on S&W.

The K&K losers, despite desperately wanting to be the face of the OSR, were actually just a tiny minority within the community. I don't think their forum ever even reached a thousand members in its lifetime.
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>>97474293
>fishfag seething resumes with more alternate history fiction
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>>97474293
>Fishfag returned from his dinner or whatever
>watch as the previously totally dead hijack thread starts spewing single-sentence posts again
Answer the question, Fishfag. Why did you never once use the old OP in your shitty fake OPs if your beef was just with the recent clarification?
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>>97474341
Ah, I see that you're can't argue. That's good.
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>>97474349
kill yourself, fishfag
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>>97474293
>Also, Jesus fucking Christ, what kind of mongoloid thinks OSRIC was the first OSR game.
The kind that's correct.

>before C&C people were playing fucking Hackmaster
...which is also not an OSR game.

>By the time [OSRIC] even got some form of physical release
It wasn't originally supposed to have one, you dumb fucker.

>The idea there is that the publishers will be able to say that their document is "compatible with OSRIC." (Anyone can do this, without asking permission from me, and there's no need for a fee or royalty to me of any kind.) I hope that the buying public will understand that this means your publication is compatible with other systems as well, if you follow that... I realise this is vague but I'm under the constraints [regarding referencing Product Identity] I indicated earlier.
>Secondly, it's an openly-usable label for your publication. In other words, if you say you're selling something compatible with OSRIC, you'll benefit from the marketing that other people have put into their own OSRIC-compatible stuff, while they will also benefit from your own efforts.
>I should say that I don't expect anyone actually to *play* OSRIC.

>—Stuart Marshall, 2006
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>>97474349
>you're can't argue
kekkkkkk
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>>97474374
>It wasn't originally supposed to have one, you dumb fucker.

Because there never was that much interest in OSRIC. It was a "would if they could" matter, and they just didn't have as big of a following as they imagined they would have. But, they went for a Print-on-Demand almost as soon as they could, because that's the best that games that come from tiny forums no one visited could do.

K&K, for all the circle-jerking they did, really never amounted to much and OSRIC was and remains a largely unplayed game that missed its window.
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>>97474457
>get presented with a direct quote from the first edition's launch that says they intended it to be little more than a legal way to publish 1e material
>pretend that's not what happened because you're mad
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>>97474493
>present a quote that says it's not a game, just a legal loophole
>still acts like it should be revered as the first OSR game despite coming out years late to the party and never being used except by an incredibly tiny amount of people

Hell, far from being the first OSR game, you're trying to tell me it's not even an actual game. Not a great move.
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>>97474520
You wouldn't know a great move if it hit you upside the head, nogames.
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>>97474532
Failing to argue is also not a great move.
I'm getting a real sense that you are genuinely a complete fucking moron. Which explains why instead of arguing, you try to rely on... whatever it is your trying to do here. Can't even dignify it by calling it Ad Hominem, it's just you flailing like a retard with brainfreeze.
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>It's not a REEEAL game, it's just a sign saying "Go play 1e instead!"
>Therefore 2e is OSR!
Fishfag lost the plot again
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>>97474887
That implies that that lunatic ever had it in the first place.

Anyways, figured I'd link to the real thread:

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>>97473611
>>97473611
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>>97475000
Real threads actually here
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>>97473472
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>>97475245
>fish thread
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>>97474887
This is the funniest part, he proceeds to invent a bunch of horseshit that never happened, but it's all completely irrelevant to his actual claim about "pre-WotC editions" or whatever. It wouldn't make a damn bit of difference if his made-up C&C timeline were real because Troll Lord also hated 2e and their original release of C&C was deliberately made to look like the OD&D box set.
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>>97475517
For a guy you're saying hated 2e he sure used a lot of 2e mechanics and concepts.

Oh wait, no, you're just being a moron, and all because you realized trying to deliberately omit C&C just to try and make your personal definition of OSR work was giving people an easy way to demonstrate how full of shit you are. Now, you're moving on to "Okay, C&C is OSR, but the guy who partially built it off of 2e actually secretly despised it and forgot to tell everyone, even though it incorporating 2e+ mechanics was one of the reasons the tiny K&K purists sect went off to create OSRIC years later."

You're a great lesson in world building. When you try to build a world on something completely illogical, endless contradictions appear.
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>>97475755
Lmao what a crackhead
You're the one claiming 1e and 2e are identical, how could a game be built on "2e mechanics and concepts" then?

>Okay, C&C is OSR, but the guy who partially built it off of 2e actually secretly despised it and forgot to tell everyone, even though it incorporating 2e+ mechanics was one of the reasons the tiny K&K purists sect went off to create OSRIC years later.
No, absolutely not. All of this is ridiculous nonsense. C&C isn't OSR, because although the guy who created it wanted to get back to 1e vibes he bottled it and left it too like 3e, which was one of many reasons that OSRIC was created to allow the publication of straight 1e modules and it caught on so strongly that people wanted print copies of OSRIC itself. 2e doesn't factor in anywhere in this progression since nobody cared about it and everybody hated it.
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>>97475849
>You're the one claiming 1e and 2e are identical, how could a game be built on "2e mechanics and concepts" then?
Can you please link me to a post where someone ever claimed they were identical? I've seen lots of posts saying they're near identical, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to say they're 100% identical.

>it caught on so strongly that people wanted print copies of OSRIC itself
PoD isn't high demand. Print-on-Demand is essentially the lowest form of physical self-publishing, what people do when it's obvious there's not even enough demand for even a tiny vanity print run.
You really have knack for shooting yourself in the foot.

>everybody hated it.
No, that's just you and the K&K crew, a group so small that they were a minority even on Dragonsfoot, and Dragonsfoot was far from the only place OSR was discussed.
Admittedly, most people are indifferent about 2e. But, it takes a very special kind of retard to become whatever it is that you've become; a creature of petty spite and hate who also imagines the rest of the world is solely motivated by hate.
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>>97476015
>accuses others of hate
>seethes with insane assrage at an entire general and makes shit up out of thin air to justify it
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>>97476221
>>seethes with insane assrage at an entire general and makes shit up out of thin air to justify it

Aren't you the guy who hijacked the general a few months ago because you thought the OP didn't hate 2e sufficiently for your tastes, and has been inventing bullshit constantly in an effort to justify it?

Between your "Everyone agrees with me" and "Everyone who disagrees with me is one person" lies, there's enough right there to condemn you as the dumbest fuck alive considering how boldly you've been trying to push them despite all the obvious pushback from multiple (and increasing) numbers of people, and that's not even touching upon all the lies you've tried to build up to justify your bizarre hatred along with your fixation that the OSR should be more "pure" than it actually is.

Have you noticed how whenever you're pinned down by facts, you always try to worm away? I think everyone else has at this point.
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>>97476015
>I have to quibble over the difference between my hysterics being
>nearly identical false claims
and
>totally identical
It wouldn't matter which you said, they would both be full of shit. It becomes even more amusingly retarded when you talk at other anons as if you haven't been entirely motivated by petty spite for years and everyone's tired of it.
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>>97476244
You're still stuck on accusing everyone of what you do. Its a dead give away.
If you actually legitimately wanted to discuss 2nd ed there have been hundreds of opportunities. You can always make threads, you can always talk about actual gameplay. You don't.
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>>97476258
Your attempt at a rug pull failed, so just sit down and be quiet. C&C has mechanics that were introduced in 2e, no one ever said 2e didn't introduce any new mechanics, and you're an idiot for trying to bring in a fictional argument into a current one.

Well, you're an idiot for a lot of reasons, but that's one of them.
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>>97476273
>You're still stuck on accusing everyone of what you do. Its a dead give away.
Said the biggest hypocrite in the world.
For a guy who cries about samefagging and trolling, you've really defined yourself by how much you samefag and shamelessly troll.
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>>97476301
>C&C has mechanics that were introduced in 2e
...No? It actually literally doesn't. You clearly know just as little about 3e or C&C as you do about 2e, kek
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>>97476244
>Aren't you the guy who hijacked the general a few months ago because you thought the OP didn't hate 2e sufficiently for your tastes, and has been inventing bullshit constantly in an effort to justify it?
Actually no, I just let the other anons discuss that because they were doing a good job and I approved. But uh, how about answering that question from earlier? If you're actually mad about the clarified OP, why don't you ever, ever post the old OP in your bait threads? Not even once? Why is that?
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>>97476352
Why are you addressing me like I've made this thread? Or threads previously? Whoever has been making these non-gay threads is at least one other person, though I'm willing to believe it's several people judging by the differences in timing/style when making them.

I am being absolutely honest with you right now. And, that's really what separates someone like me from you, and what makes you a disgusting liar and hypocrite. I can honestly say this is not my thread, and all you can do is cry that it must be, because otherwise you lose any ground you had to stand on.
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>>97476486
>Why are you addressing me like I've made this thread? Or threads previously?
Because you did.

>the differences in timing/style when making them.
You mean how the OPs are all laughably identical?
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>>97476486
>I'm being totally honest this time for sure
lol I bet
>>97476352
>I just let
Oh didn't know you'e a mod. Aren't you not allowed to talk about that?
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>>97478122
>Oh didn't know you'e a mod. Aren't you not allowed to talk about that?
Don't be goofy, what I meant is just that I didn't participate in the conversations around clarifying the OP because the other anons were handling it fine already and there was no reason to dip my head in. Have you really never heard the expression "I'll let you guys get on with it" as a way of saying you won't get in the way?
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>>97478376
That would require him to be a native English speaker, or to have friends or go outside and talk to people, which is not only nigh impossible, it would severely cut into the time he has allotted for seething about /osrg/ here.
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Closing link to the non-fishfag / actual osrg thread:

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>>97473611
>>97473611
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>>97475245
>>97475245
Real thread was already posted here.
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>>97479849
Yes, in this post: >>97479656



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