Chariot edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>97482876>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:If your army would get a/another chariot, what would it look like? Creature pulling it? Loadout?
Chariots are very strong in Fantasy because they are immune to Killing Blows (can't be one shot by a weapon/character/unit with the Killing Blow special rule).Do chariots make you immune to one shot special weapons/situations in AoS too?
I know it's probably not very surprising, but the argent shards seem pretty damn big.>>97494472>tqChariots don't really fit seraphon, but a sort of juggernaut/temple being carried by some dinos could be pretty cool. Sidenote but man 90% of google images when you look up any sort of fantastical concept is now sloppa. Grim.
>>97494536On stream they showed a size comparison with the fatemaster. Yes the shards are hyoodge
>>97494536People wanting to proxy the shards as abstract LoC are vindicated
>>97494472>TQIdoneth could get something similar to the swifthawk chariot but with a manta or something
>>97494511No, immunity to 1 shots was reserved for realy big dudes like Mega Gargants.
>>97494511I think the main gimmick of chariots and the like in aos is that they're (more easily) able to power through and move through hostile units that would usually force them to engage and thus prevent them from moving.>>97494648Kino ideaI've seen a fair few idk chariot conversions around (picrel), it seems like a concept that speaks to people. Gw would rather give them 2 extra characters and a spell though.
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>>97494747Why did they shit out only one water temple thing what was the point
>>97494747>>97494764These are coolWhat do you think the Secret Level AoS episode will be about?If they stick with the thing that it has to be connected to a video game we're stuck with Realms of Ruin, and by that Stormcast vs Tzeench/Kruleboys/Nighthaunt.But I hope they are liberal in their connection to games and consider the tabletop to be game enough, and as such have free reigns to do something non stormie focused
>>97494797Basically guaranteed to be Stormcast by mandate. But if has to be them, it’d be cool to see something for Gardus or Tornus.
>>97494797>>97494807i could see gardus or neave desu. I dont know if there is anything for a "current" tie in like skaven were for sigmar's toll.
>>97494789GW's decisions frequently defy any conventional understanding. It's why after a couple of years everyone inevitably throws "what makes sense to do" out the window for their predictions and just go with whatever the rumors are.
>>97494536>Chariots don't really fit seraphonThere are two arguments for seraphon chariots:one of their warrior gods was said to ride on a chariotthe ancient aliens theme they have going on rests on a book literally called chariots of the gods in both cases instead of a normal chariot with wheels and pulled by beasts it would have to be some magitech platform, maybe pulled by podracer engines of some kind, like a melee version of the starseer throne for a saurus champion
>>97494789They didn't have big release sloted for them
fuck IDKfuck the shitty rangefuck the shitty lorefuck the players fuck the new trash modelsfuck the spam listsfuck all of it, I hope it's squatted next edition
>>97494907uh oh melty
>>97494912yes that is correct
>>97494797is it meant to be a secret level thing? I thought it would have been just a random amazon animation or some shit
>>97494878But why make it a temple release it could have been another vanari thing
>>97494952because they have to roll them out eventually and apparently the river temple had a viable enough set of concepts to be turned into a warcry band
>>97494935It's just an episode in the next set of secret levels
>>97494952To not spam redundant units. They had to make temple soldiers anyway
>>97494797realms of ruin had a pretty cool story, it wouldn't be a bad idea to connect to that, even if just loosely>opens with the knights excelsiors purging the settlement, innocents and whatnot, for grimdark>except a few were secretly disciples of tzeentch, so it wasn't in vain, and so they can reuse tzaangors and the summoner to market this to the people who saw the sm2 episode, and drive "[shit] explained" channels to talk about how it does or does not connect with 40k>yndrasta drops in, bringing the attention back to the kruleboys, under gobbsprakk, linking to the one dlc this poor game had>climax of the episode is gobbie summoning kragnos against the stormcasts, we have a few scenes of hype violence, and then kragnos is driven off by some mcguffin (maybe the ratastrophe)>bonus point for the episode starting with yndrasta's reforging and she dying against kragnos so we have a second reforging scene where the price of immortality is underlined, and maybe in the second arching back to azyr we get a panoramic view of the vermindoom over the realmit would be self contained, have 'big' names, a simple plot, and a hook or two for having people talk about it
The OBR chariots won't suck.... right?!?
>>97495134maybe they'll drop enough overlapping buffs to make a kavalos list op
>>97495183This would look way better if there was a fast monster too.
>>97495231?
>>97495270Fuck no, take that named casterfag out of here, if it's not melee centric I don't want to hear it.Unless it can be assembled without a rider and used as generic monstrous hounds for mr.bones's wild hunt.
>>97495098>woman leaderyeah no, nobody wants modern D&D anymore, especially in 40k and failed replacement for Fantasy which JewDubs is trying to force down like the British government trying to put immigrants next to kindergartens.
>TQ>FEC I don't think it would fit, but I wouldn't mind a war wagon/baggage train style derivative. >Gitmob Ranged chariot more like a spear chukka would work. That or an elite shaman, maybe with a crew of lesser shamans riding it like the Gobbapalooza
>>97495361Here's your (you)
>>97495361you just know aos will have to compensate for 40k's marines being all men, so the stormcast in the secret level can only be a woman.the only thing we can hope for is that she's cool instead of the stereotypical girlboss, yndrasta has the potential to be portrayed as a trigger happy psychopathic huntress.There is a chance for that to come out as something genuinely charismatic and fun.But it's a faint chance, I know.
>>97495394For FEC I'm trying to think of a solid alternative to a chariot but everything boils down to basically just a shittier looking black coach. Which funnily enough FEC does technically have "horses" though I wouldn't mind just a massive fuckoff Morbheg nearly terrorgheist with a platform on it's back kinda fitting the chariot bit. But at that point I dunno if it'd still count, since it's just big monster with platform on it's back not a chariot.
Got the last bits traded for, always fun seeing what bullshit you can cobble together on the cheap for armys.
>>97495361>>97495432>failed replacement for FantasyHey now, TOW is flopping pretty hard compared to the successful continuation of Fantasy, Age of Sigmar, but I wouldn't say it failed just yet. They just overestimated how much TWW kiddies were willing to support it compared to actual tabletop gamers (AOS fans).
>>97495183I wish OBR had more freakish units like the centaur guy from the Warcry unit, I also wish the warcry guy was just a hero and not taped to a bunch of random bullshit.
>>97495623He's just Ivory Host Liege Kavalos
>>97495647That would be a pretty easy kitbash, do other ivory host guys have the weird cyclopian bits too in lore?
>>97495664>do other ivory host guys have the weird cyclopian bits too in loreNever mentionrd before. We just know they're in ghur and are unusually animalistic due to shortage of human bones and abundance of beast fosils
>>97495623>random bullshitbodyguards, hounds and hawks, it's just stuff a guy brings to a hunt
>>97495830If he was a singular hero and the randies had individual profiles I wouldn't mind, I'm just not the biggest fan of the weird type of unit where it's a bunch of things on different base sizes
The LRL & DoT battle trait previews have got me feeling hopeful for the rest of the battletomes we're due this edition. It's a nice feeling.
>>97494472>TQI don't see GW giving KO a creature pulled chariot, if they ever get any creatures at all so I would imagine that a KO chariot would probably look like a star wars pod racer. Small cockpit with a baloon pulled by two big turbine engines. The average movement with KO is already 12 inches so it's funny to imagine them putting this thing out with like 3 health, 18 inch move and probably a bombing ability like the big boats already have.
>>97494764>OBR doesn't have a chariot pulled by a bonecentaur wielding two swordswhat a missed opportunity.
>>97496051You’ll get a stagecoach with a Gatling gun on it. Which is something that cos should get but it doesn’t match with husites, and it’s kinda infringing on that thing they have in fantasy I think.
>>97494797>what do you think secret level AoS episode will be about>What I wantOne of the Order factions facing off with FEC, mostly from the FEC perspective>what will actually happenSomething centered around the stormcucks, probably Neave because they need to clear out the warehouse of those shitty models. I'm sure much like the Sigmar's Toll show it's going to feature two characters talking to each other on a boring background explaining background lore for 80% of it befrore we get a short fight scene and some awful stinger from a stormcast about it being the Age of Sigmar™, buy the models now.
I except soulblight to be featured in the animation. I can literally see a vampire in it at least getting a shoutout.
>>97496062Ossiarchs are full of missed opportunities.
>>97494857Man that thing is just awful to look at.Always funny when someone appears to be able to paint but has no idea how to make something look good.
>>97496045As someone getting into Tzeentch, I'm very mixed on it. On one hand, the new fate points are strictly worse than fate dice in almost every way. On the other hand, the ability to swap out units once per turn could be really spicy. No monster limitation means you can't save Kairos but I could still see this being pretty good. Waiting to see the updated battletome and warscrolls to see how good it'll end up being.
>>97495443Yeah... Chariots could fit a sort of hero of olde, Green Knight, kind of thing but despite the Arthurian motifs historically fitting chariots it's the anachronistic application of 14th century aesthetics that don't... So maybe it'd make sense? Idk
>>97496051a podracer would be pretty cool, i'd also settle for bikers toothe army does need some kind of silhouette inbetween infantry and boat though, and it doesnt really have a cavalry equivalent
>>97496085Like a flying stagecoach? KO isn't going to get some grounded thing with wheels, don't be ridiculous.
>>97496157it looks cool as fuck, your taste is just shit
>>97496157It's way too much, I agree.
>>97494857>one of their warrior godsSo you don't know shit about seraphon
>>97494857Necrons and Seraphon have nothing in common that was a bizarre choice, this doesn't mesh together at all
>>97494536>Chariots don't really fit seraphon, but a sort of juggernaut/temple being carried by some dinos could be pretty cool.I wouldn't want to see them get real chariots, but ya a giant Old One artifact/mobile temple would be sick. Like a giant version of an Engine of the Gods or a mini pyramid towed by a couple of mid size dinos.
>>97496051If its a podracer, then it should also have a special rule that when it does it moves X amount of inches in one direction and deals damage to everything it passes through (with the movement immediately ending if it passes through a terrain feature or monster, dealing extra damage to that.)
>>97496998Have a quartet of kroxigors carrying something arcane on a palinquin.
>>97494472>If your army would get a/another chariot, what would it look like? Creature pulling it? Loadout?SCE: Already has one. I guess theoretically they could get a heavier one, more melee-focused, maybe pulled by some sort of drake-like creature.COS: Probably just a wood & wrought-iron thing pulled by horses, but I think if they do end up bringing in halflings, a small chariot pulled by, like, war-roosters and crewed by halfling archers would be fun.OWC: Mostly play Kruleboyz and chariots are sort of antithetical to swamp warfare. It'd probably be a model for Ironjawz and would be some hulking, ramshackle thing pulled by pigs, designed more for slamming directly into the enemy. Skaven: RAT CHARIOT WITH LIGHTNING GUN
>>97497092You say chairots are antithetical to swamp warfare, but the britons were notorious for being the last group of peoples in the west to use the damn things. It could also be designed to work on softer ground, so something a bit more like a dogsled or airboat, slides on the ground rather than rolls.
>>97497129Swamp skiff for kruleboyz. With a repeating ballista bolted on top.
Always strange to see that some people dont understand that OBR is a disciplined military first and a freakshow second.
>>97497494Like a bunch of rednecks in a hovercraft tearing through the swamps and shooting feral hogs with a shotgun.
>>97497129True, but the Britons mostly used their chariots on open ground. Plus, the swamps the Kruleboyz are in are less like the humid marshes of Britain and seem more like the thick swamps & bayous of the American Gulf Coast.
>>97496051>>97496183I've said it before and I'll say it again: KO combat jetskis(Cool art anon)Now that I think about it someone at gw made a kharadron "chariot" kitbash for one of their racing articles.
>>97494472>If your army would get a/another chariot, what would it look like? Creature pulling it? Loadout?I don't think DoK should get a chariot. The roster has no need for something like that, and lorewise it doesnt make sense. The Khainites love getting into battle and reveling in the blood of their enemies, a chariot defeats that purpose.
>>97496965no u
>>97497760Hence why I suggested a sled/hovercraft like alternative. More evenly distributed weight so it can slide on soft ground and float on water if need be. Lets them outmanuver their enemies even more effectively in the swampy terrain, and can be used to transport people they capture.
>>97497835Honestly, I think that they should just add all the neat white dwarf/warcom mini game modes to the core rulebook. Just extra shit for you to do with your minis. Kill team in 40k used to be like that, before they killed it/brought it back as its own thing.
>>97498003the white dwarf is handled by a different team compared to the one that handles rulebooks writingit's a terrible system
>>97497677And a grot operating a rotating magazine for the ballista, like a primitive gatling gun. Not terribly accurate or long range, but the kruleboyz don't care because it shoots lots and they don't really have to do much except sit back and perforate gits.
>>97497092kruleboys already have a chariot
>>97498104Honestly a pretty ""elegant"" solution for the swamp problem. Terrain too unsuitable for a chariot? Just put it on a swampbeast lol.
>>97496098>explaining lore Warhammer (any version of it) is at it's best when nothing is explained and they just let visuals do the talking. Why is this guy in power armor carrying a coffin and shooting at a statue? Why are these ghost attacking elves on dinosaurs? Why are these Renaissance dudes fighting goblins riding wolves? Why is this ork playing football against a dwarf? Who cares just enjoy the ride you can spend hours looking up wikis later.
>>97498178there's a difference between the visuals being sufficient and there being no other worldbuilding.do you need someone to tell you that dwarf runes are magic? nois it cool to know why they use runes and how they're different? yes
New points and stuff
Now that the dust has settled, why did the Helsmiths of Hashut flop?
Now that the dust has settled, why did flop poster flop?
>>97498242not enough blue pills
>>97498191>Changeling eligible in every armyVery good.
>>97498246except blades of khorne
Are they out yet?
>>97494472I'm not really sure how a Sylvaneth chariot would work...
>>97495183So Ossiarchs are basically skellymarines?
>>97498333not big enough to be marinesthey're fat tomb kangs
>>97498288I don't get why you wouldn't just collect wood elves instead.
>>97498326Pair of giant beetles pulling it
>>97498326What if it's a kurnothi chariot>>97498347Maybe he just really really loves centaurs. I mean to be fair the triple centaur warband was pretty cool.
>>97498343But their mounts is nearly identical to marines (sigmarines and archaonmarines).
>>97498347Wood elves are lame.
>>97495361I want woman leader
>>97498347The Wanderers no longer have stats in 4th. We have no Wood Elves in AoS right now.Kurnothi have awesome lore.I've loved all their models thus far.I will never play WFB.
>>97498357>What if it's a kurnothi chariotbased
>troggoth skin keeps regenerating on its own after being flayed and worked into clothingThat's kinda neat.
>>97497856Nah, they have archers for crying out loud, if they're OK with the blood being an arrow's flight away, they'd love stabbing people with spears from a chariot.They could do something really fun where the chariot is pulled by other DoKs. Like, maybe a new kind of Scathborn that's bigger and stronger and used for stuff like that, or just a crew of regular Aelves who are punished by running into battle but only so their Sisters can reap the blood and glory
>>97498191Damn this is pretty restrictive.
>>97498380>Kurnothi have awesome lore.lol
>>97498348It's the wheels that don't screen Sylvaneth to me. Maybe something that fills the chariot role but is actually just a big beetle with a crew on it?>>97498357>What if it's a kurnothi chariotThat would be extremely good. I lost faith in the Kurnoth release when all the rumor engines turned out to be for Darkwater, but hope springs eternal I guess
>>97498380This has the energy of someone saying they want to play Space Marines, saying Stormcast Eternals are not Space Marines, and swearing to never play 40k. Like dude they're right there.
>>97497856DoK chariot will be just copy of Dark Eldar venom to support copy of Scourges
>>97498464>This has the energy of someone saying they want to play Space Marines, saying Stormcast Eternals are not Space MarinesSo poor taste>and swearing to never play 40k.But cognintive capabilities are still intact (at least mostly)
>>97498326I think they could pull off a skycutter pulled by a big spite
>>97494472Chorfs should get a chariot that’s pulled by wingless Taurus, something the Old World Lore actually mentions. So just do a update to make it AoS and their good to go.
>>97498482There were no chariots in the Butrning Crusade.
>>97498482>wingless Taurusso... a normal bull?
>>97498482>What cannot be denied is the resemblance between the Juggernaut and an image of their bovine forge-god, HashutWell juggernauts don't look like bulls and don't even have horns so it's very easy to deny
I’M FUCKIN LOOMING!https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cbvh8cjv/master-magic-with-teclis-and-bring-enlightenment-to-the-mortal-realms/
>>97498482>wingless taurusAnon...
>>97498482How old is this/ what is this from
>>97498581Looks like some kind of edited scan of one of the realm of chaos books but I'm not sure if chorfs had enough established about themselves by the time that came out
>>97494472Where was this picture posted again?
>>97494907Honestly if they refuse to expand the range in any meaningful way, dispute having a literal (and figurative) ocean of possibilities, then squat them. Free up some SKU and calendar space for factions they will support.I'm sorry IDK players not all of you deserve this but a swift death is better than purgatory
>>97495361No sane person gives a shit that the magical super soldier, whom the lore has established from the beginning can be women so it's not some half assed retcon, is a fucking woman. > The rest of the bizarre schizo rantYou genuinely need medication
>>97498242It wasn't very funny.Helsmiths are interesting or broken enough to care about.
>>97498574>lore of the awakened realms>it's just a generic all purpose "elemental" lore that you're supposed to flavor as matching whatever wizard you're using. Laaaaaaame.
>>97498574MAGICAL MASTERY
>>97498626Instagram?
>>97498653>Laaaaaaame.welcome to 4th edition
>>97498671> Sorry, no prayers for youBUT I HAD SO MANY PRAYER POINTS NOOOOOOO MY STRATEGY
>>97498653You can't expect the book to have 4 different lores.
>>97498724Just try to be an actual elf.
>>97498734actual elves didn't have 4 lores either
>>97498457>light of eltharion +70Lmao what the fuck. Were loomies really that strong already to justify all these points increases? Or are they anticipating their new calligraphy gimmick to make them that much more powerful or what?>>97498574They really jobbed hard with teclis' model, which is especially weird given how baller celennar looks right behind him.
>>97498626It came to me in a dream
>>97498800We haven't seen his scroll so we have no idea if it's justified.They might go high initially to then dial them back if they aren't overpowered
>>97498800IIRC Eltharion's Scourge of Ghyran warscroll is costed ~280 pts so it's not super strange for the new battletome warscroll to be on par with that.
>>97498724LRL have been able to access a lot more than a measly four lores.
Have we already discussed how insane the Tzneetch redeploy tricks will be?
>>97498797>actual elves didn't have 4 lores eitherYep they have moreDeathShadowLight HeavenMetalFireBeastLife and High Magic
>>97498841Nobody plays tzeentch unfortunately so no.I skimmed the article quickly, swapping around characters seems like a fun gimmick.
>>97498574what if teclis was a girl (woman leader)
Has anyone used the Mini Monsters Toads to represent Beasts of Nurgle/Plague Toads?Wanna make sure they're in scale.
>>97498841Not really.
>>97498841
>>97498863More like> Rush smol screamer unit up field, be 9" away> Opponents turn> Their hero phase> Replace screamers with reinforced pink horrors 3"Lmao.Or suddenly replace the almost destroyed unit of screamers or horrors with a reinforced tzaangor pack. Or suddenly have a fat unit of flamers appear 6" away. Or suddenly make a character with a bullshit but short range spell suddenly appear in range.
>>97498874Somebody put your theory to the test and it's pretty good>>97498890KekWhat was actually the most unfun aos army to face ever? I remember seraphon summoning used to be some fucking bullshit to face.
>>97498970>image doesn't work Come on
>>97498970>What was actually the most unfun aos army to face ever?second Ed Slaanesh due to summoning.
>>97498970tie between slaanesh in 2nd or ogres in 1st.
>>97498973Can I just say DoK but only when Morathi is there.>>97498978Are ogre's any good nowadays? I feel like I have yet to see anyone talk about how they play, seen a couple anons post em here but not actually what the faction does.
>>97498854wow, only 1 unique lore compared to the empire!
>>97494472This is a chariot
>>97499058That’s a boat.
>>97499065this isn't the beach, this is a battlefield
>>97499081His sense of direction, or utter absence thereof, doesn't change what vehicle he's currently in. Though it might perhaps explain it, if he intended to go in a chariot but found himself at the pier instead.
>>97499096>doesn't change what vehicle he's currently inyes, it does, a boat is only a boat if it's on water, if it goes underwater then it's a uboot, and if it goes above then it's an abbot, but this is only half of an abbot, so it's a halfbot, not a boat
>>97499065Sir, this is Wendy's
>>97498993Are you trying to say Empire wizards superior to jeets as well?
>>97499118Are you trying to speak English?
>>97499126Jeet is the new buzzword for everything here now
>>97499183I thought that was slop
>>97499187Slop is on the way out
>>97499193It had a good run
>>97499187>>97499193It's spelled sloop>>97499058
if you were forced to write a black library book, who would it be about? and what would the plot be?
>>97499183>>97499187Jeet is a slur against indians, the guy is probably underage and can't help but just spout whatever he last read without understanding what it means
>>97499366Three books, first one about a stormcast questor who through an oracle or something get to know his brothers still walk the realms and set out to find them.Second about an OBR commander invading a human country, mostly about the battle, strategy, tactics and combat scenes, but also more mellow parts with some introspective bits where the various souls meshed together in him converse about their situation.And the third one about a chaos warrior and his warband as they are hunting down stormcast as an act of vengeance for getting left behind all those years ago.And these three main characters will turn out to be the three brothers, you get the backstory as well as the part where they meet in the final book. Until then there are no real clues they are connected.
>>97499183>Jeet is the new buzzword for everything here nowbased
>>97496175Yeah I’m not a fan of how these fate points work. You’ll only see use of them if you’re actively failing in the game. It feels really shit to not get to use your mechanic properly if you’re winning.A better way to do it would be to get 1 point for a positive action, and 2 for a negative.It ESPECIALLLY sucks since it’s encouraging you to spend multiple fate points in one go
Is there anything noteworthy lore wise happening in 4th battletomes? I tuned out after reading Skaven and SCE and basically getting nothin
>>97499564Probably heroes and spells and artifacts that generate points as well.
>>97499637I stg if Kairos is required to generate these properly
>>97499366A meta t-"""sports""" drama
>>974989732nd FEC where the terrorgheist was given like 10 CP was also pretty bullshit.Honestly 2nd had a lot of cancer.4th early Night haunt was pretty cancerous.> You attack and do nothing> Now I kill you
>>97495423He's right though. Is this thread unironically full of sigmarxism types? Wasn't it enough that people laughed at the nuchaos warriors with the fat black women barbarians?
>>97495361>failed replacement for Fantasydamn, no need to shit on TOW like that
>>97494789Model kit production allocation does not necessarily line up with needs or even wants of factions. Nobody likes fyerslayers so no units, everyone likes vampires so 10 new soulblight things. Redundant units and anemic factions both happen because "this is how many model kits you must have in this release wave".
>>97498406>aping items directly from TOW Lmao why is the AoS team pivoting so hard into trying to be Fantasy AFTER Fantasy relaunched?
>>97499366I've had a couple, a story of enslaved duardain brothers fighting for their survival in the all points, A story of a bounty hunter trying to make sense of ghur, an exploration of a dude whose been reincarnated into shyish and exploring other lost souls. I have more in my pocket but I kinda wanna temper them to see how 5ths narrative drops.
>>97499828um actually its stealing from pathfinder.
>>97499844
>>97499564But this way you can say "just as planned" when you're getting tabled and they can't say that you're coping
>>97499854You have the workings of a trogg up there in your noggin.
>>97499854>trolls have been associated with regeneration since god knows how long>uhm actually it's stealing from wfbgo finish your tww campaign
>>97495623I like the reapers but they definitely should have been freakier, most of the units I'm fine being more normal but a sneaky hivemind assasin troupe should have a little more going on visually imo
>>97499873I mean. It’s directly copying TOW again. Why is that a bad thing to you guys though? Half the armies in AoS are a single unit from Fantasy expanded to be its own range. AoS as an IP is built on aping concepts from the Fantasy IP and trying to Frankenstein them with their new and armies.
>>97499913trying too hard
>>97499828This may surprise you but aos is actually a sequel to warhammer fantasy. This comes as a shock to many, since AoS' eponymous character, Sigmar, famously bears no resemblance to any characters from fantasy.
Need a night haunt gf.
>>97499828That's for Darkwater though.It's not AoS, it's a board game
>>97499700Every book so far has doubled down on 'you MUST take the huge named character' (Teclis as well) so assume he will be mandatory.Just like Katakros will be mandatory (again)... And the new female named ogre will be mandatory.
>>97500065Khadrons didn’t. Neither did BOK.
>>97495623The fluff says the dude is on punishment detail for failure so I'm not sure how the concept would work as a sole character. The model is in charge of the dogs and bat things because he fucked up, and the two tall dudes are literally minders relaying info directly to the dudes in charge (not the centaur man). Centaur dude is such a fuck up he is only response for wrangling the dogs and bats. He is lucky he wasn't turned into a death rider mount (which happens to Lieges who REALLY fuck up)
>>97500084Scarryboi is in a lot of lists.KO doesn't have a huge 170 dollar hero so they got to avoid the tax. Just wait until they get one.
>>97500065This post reeks of nogames.
>>97500020
>>97500147Should have been Kurdoss in the other room
>>97500157Kurdoss would be happy Olynder can't talk
Many years ago, this thread created a part of a realm where everyone with yourdudes got to add their kingdom/camp/country/warband/region etc. And we did some common worldbuilding around it. What happened to that? And also, anyone up for trying something like that again? Was a very cozy part of /aosg/ whilst it was active
>>97500065Slaves to Darkness didn't (Archaon is far from auto-take), Maggotkin didn't, KO didn't, Warclans didn't, Nagash is almost never auto-take in any edition of AoS, etcStormcast love taking that named dragon because he's the only Wizard (2) in the entire book because the rest got squatted
>>97500362It worked fine until mydudes took everyone over and won
>>97498104That's more of a howdah, let's be honest.
>>97500646The cartoon network show?
Pray for me, for tomorrow I build Plague Drones. The war of fiddly shit and flying stand magnetisation begins at dawn.
>>97500749No, that's Chowder and it's been off the air for 15 years now. A howdah like you'd put on an elephant.
>>97498988Ogornon here, Been playing them in a PtG as my first go with them officially and I can (hopefully) sum it up well:You're very swingy, but your damage is always going to overkill most things but fuckhuge monsters and 40-man bricks. Your saves are useless, but when a model has 4 Wounds and you can heal them often (Feast on Flesh, Greedy Gluttons formation, and Spells/Mawpot)Gluttons and Ironguts carry the Gutbusters, and you're always going to surprise people with how fast you can be. Ever seen a fat motherfucker run 13", then nail a charge, do 2+ MD, then 50/50 between 20 and 0 dmg? Leadbelchers are cool, but have been useless for shooting. I had a Tyrant and a 4-man Irongut unit cut through about 80% of a Skaven army in 2 rounds with only a 40-man rat brick surviving more than a single fight phase.You basically play a bunch of heat-seeking missiles. You play carefully until you can charge in and 1-shot them because the alternative is rend 1/2 turning you into a bunch of paste. It's honestly a fun army if you don't mind gambling on a 4+ to Hit without support. Pro-tip:>12-man Glutton brick (4 attacks per, +1 for Champion) for 49 hits>Slaughtermaster (Great Cauldron - Spinemarrow for +1 Attacks on unit of choice)>Cast Bloodfeast on Gluttons (+1 Attacks)>nuke something with 12 fat retards swinging 73 times because they're R1, D2
>find shitty hole-in-the-wall hobby store with the smallest, saddest warhammer section ever>clearly nobody gives a shit about it and they want to stop stocking it so everything is 20% off>surely nothing good, right?>...they had two othar half-kingsoh my god I scored
>>97500432Slaves still have Belacuck
I'm heading to a couple of not-so-local stores tomorrow while I'm in the area for work. Anons want me to pick anything up for (you)?
>>97502110grossest marsupial I've ever seen
>>97502256Marsoupial.
>>97502146Rotswords, please
>>97502256Haven't spent much time around Australian women over 40?
Thinking about starting Lumineth, seeing as apparently they finally stopped phoning in battletomes two years into the edition. Had two quick questions for anyone who plays them. The first question being, how much of a hassle are the wardens and their big ass pikes to deal with on the table? Second question is... how much pain, and how much time am I looking at, getting 2K points of competently painted elves on the table?
>>97503102Wardens are a hassle, so I suggest a magnetic case for transport.They are a time consuming to paint as you want them to be. If you do contrast + mteallics its not that hard for example.
>>97502146Burger abusing Eastern Euro prices?
>>97502110From where is this art?
>>97503319I believe the Spitewood rulebook. Maybe?
Tzeentch really needs a massive wave. Pink and Blue horrors are 10 years now and look like shit compared to art. Their older models looked better then this cartoony stuff.They need Warriors, Chosen, Mounted units. Maybe some monsters too.And they NEED NAMED stuff, something to drive story onwards.
>>97503476>And they NEED NAMED stuff, something to drive story onwards.cringe. go back to nu-40k
>>97503485Every faction in AoS has named mortals but Tzeentch.
>>97503476>Pink are 10 years now16
>>97503491Good. Makes them better than other factions
>>97502146Can you ask the local morathi player to return my chastity cage, the red black dragon, and my ovipositor?
>>97503476Actually they should be cartoony.
I really want Sylvaneth to get a new Spearhead that isn't just the models from the game's launch that have been in every combo box Sylvaneth have gotten in the following 10 years, but I know that the only regular infantry kit they've gotten in that time is the fucking tumor guys from Warcry and I don't want them in the faction starter box because they're weird :(
>>97503493NTA but 16 years? You sure?
>>97503634I was there, anon.
>>97503633I dont particulary care for the dryads here, they do look weird and I hope that if dryads do get updated they dont look like that. I have mixed opinions on the fungal stuff too, its between the lines of nurgle shit. Sylvaneth should deal with flowers and thorns instead. bugs are for gitz and nurgle.
>>97503633>I really want Sylvaneth to get a new Spearhead that isn't just the models from the game's launch that have been in every combo box Sylvaneth have gotten in the following 10 yearsgranted
>>97503643They were released in 2016 year.
>>97503659Blues were. Pinks are pre-end times
>>97503659that's blue horrors pinks are older, from when demons split off from chaos warriorsthat's why blues are cool and pinks are shit
>>97502110you think the little guy down there gets to take any breaks or is Nurgle an Amazon-tier employer?
>>97499366A young wizard leaves the city of their birth as part of a Crusade, and learns about the Realm and themself as along their years long journey. Entirely on one Realm, pretty episodic as the crusade encounters new foes and situations but with recurring characters. Like, their rout coincidentally ends up alongside that of a warband of Slaaneshi Godseekers so they regularly cross paths and fight and the wizard and their Lord of Pain become nemeses. There's a Mega-Gargant who shows up from time to time, sometimes as an enemy, sometimes as a friend, sometimes as just a complication. Stormcast are mentioned but never seen, or only seen from afar as they do their weird god-give missions. Lots of focus on the day to day life of the Crusaders and the peculiarities of the Realm they are in. There's a nice slowburn romance between the wizard and a Freeguild Sergeant at Arms.That kinda thing
>>97499780anon there is a middle ground between "I never want to see a woman" and whatever dyed hair strawman you have in your mind.
>>97503650I know it's how UW warbands work in AoS, they're always named characters even though that's stupid and dumb, but if the three centaurs had just been a regular unit for Sylvaneth I would have bought three
>>97503646The fungal stuff is the whole gimmick, they're diseased. If you take the fungus away, they're a pretty acceptable AoSifying of the Dryad. It takes the design and just brings it in line with the modern Sylvaneth range. It's how they're depicted in recent art too. So I'd bet that we are getting a new Dryad kit alongside their Battletome this edition. Hopefully with something else a bit more exciting.
More roolzhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s2u3hnhx/summon-shifting-argent-shards-into-battle-and-shower-foes-with-spectacular-spellcasting/
>>97504005>deploying your units masked by illusion makes your nearby units impossible to target by enemy archers, wizards etcThis kind of no-selling the opponent seems to be a throughline. I think there might be a joke to make about Kairic Acolytes oiling up their bodies to be all slippery.
>>97504005I wanted to make a fuss about the ability not specifying if i rounds down or up. As if you couldn't move 0,5 inch
Moving forward with the spearhead. Today’s wip
>>97504502The harvester is such cool model.
>>97504513too bad it's too small
>>97504502Spearhead is fucking gay
>>97504632is that what you call it by the gloryhole
>>97504005That's a pretty good spell.
>>97504005Its good, but they should really try to innovate with the whole movement debilitation stuff.
>>97504632Well, I think its ok but I havent played it in a while. In this instance I was referring to the box, not the game.Also what are you guys working on? Post models
>>97504636I don't know what Spearhead is called by glory holes, since I don't go to places to get my dick sucked by another man. I just know that Spearhead is gay.
>>97504005A second rules preview hit the front page. I take it that means they're only doing those amateur paintjob showcases tomorrow.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yoizipvt/shining-a-light-on-battletome-lumineth-realm-lords-with-ryan-from-threshold-tactics/
>>97504654Threw down some dirty basecoats on my shrine with the airbrush so it’s not just primed when I take it to my monthly humiliation ritual on Saturday. Figured I might as well make my army’s table debut by sending off the index.
>>97504690Okay now I can see why they hiked his cost by 70 points.
Oh there’s a supposed new rumor for seraphon now. Endless spells, something saurus, and temple guard?
>>97504743>temple guard yes please
>>97504743new rumormonger, let's see if one with track records backs him.
>>97504502>>97504654Nice bones, how are you doing those darkened parts?
what are top 3 spearheads in terms of fun gameplay?
I just realised the NH vs Lumineth warcry box was >FIRE ghostsvs>WATER temple
>>97505022Just going over everything with skeleton horde, then putting wyldwood over the tips/edges and blend it outwards with water pretty much.Simple and effective.
first few tzeentch things
>>97505398Fated blades seems interesting.
Here are the tzeench rules:https://gofile.io/d/tNWTGM
>>97505471What about AoR rules?
These are nice.
>>97504743>>97504752Oh sweet. I hope this means that the Lizardmen are returning soon back to TOW with their older models, as sgs hinted at in the warcom.
Bros…Mordian just dropped a new video…and it’s not good…
>>97505563who?
>>97505551lmao nice cope
>>97505138Haven't seen them all but the SoB one is fun, everything is swingy and you only need 4 dice so you can bring the biggest ones you can find.
>>97505563I don’t watch sloptubers.
>>97505581He’s a 40k/Fantasy/Bolt Action YouTuber. Relatively popular as far as wargaming YouTubers go.
>>97505663Buy an ad
>>97505563It’s him commenting on the lords of war (store owners) video
>>97505551How does them getting updates and endless spells mean anything for ToW
>>97505663>popular>cant get 10k view unless he does "GW bad" engagement bait
>>97505563>>97505670AoS is still the best selling fantasy wargame lmao. How about you go cope in your dead general instead?
>>97505670>no effort losers leeching off other no effort losersAt least those guys own a store but jesus the online space for this shit so trash
>>97505673Because GW has a stupid internal rule where they refuse to sell most kits for dual system for any decent amount of time. So for a core faction to be available to go back to Fantasy, it has to have newer AoS range replacements so that the older Fantasy sculpts can go back to TOW. I still think Dark Elves are going back to TOW first tho, they didn't even bother to sell them with round bases at any point.
>>97505683They own a store and they are lamenting about AoS flatlining because they tried to support it and get a community going. They said as soon as they stopped actively pushing it hard to customers the scene dried up completely.
>>97505686>they didn't even bother to sell them with round bases at any point.It’s incredibly funny how secondaries speak so confidently.
>>97505551>as sgs hinted at in the warcom.nobody hinted at anything, retard
>>97505698
>>97505686skinks don't have an aos replacement
>>97505708Anvilgrad retard.
>>97505663>only ever breaks 5k views on engagement bait>relatively popular
>>97505714Not yet they don't. But the skink kit is very old so they are an obvious target for refreshing. I am not saying Lizardmen are coming back very soon, just that once Seraphon gets the rest of their refresh they will be open to return to Fantasy.
>>97505728If those are low numbers for Warhammer to you DO NOT youtube " Age of Sigmar battle report " and average out the views on the videos.
>>97505747Buy an ad
Now this is how you write a battle trait.
I think that guy is concern trolling but if 5th edition doesn't fix the gameplay I don't know if AoS has a bright future. My area has seen a major falloff through 4th. Now it's basically all Spearhead for Mortal Realms goodness.
>>97505686Every dark elf kit I've bought has come with rounds retardz everything that was ever in cos or free cities came with rounds
>>97505670>they mention turning HoH into " New Coke " Oh man the flopposter is going to celebrate when he sees this.
>>97505779Well, with these two new tomes leaking, we are firmly in 4.5e with how crazy a shakeup they are in design.
>>97505686Just like how all the old skaven sculpts moved to ToW when they got refreshed
Laughably obvious engagement bait.
>>97505563My money is on 5th ed AoS either being the final nail in the coffin or a saving refresh
Is the darkoath spearhead strong? I’ve got a game against it later with the old Khorne spearhead.
>>97505835It's kind of ironic that only engagement AoS got right now is "It's over" bait
>>97505845
>>97505854
>>97505764Link the LRL stuff pretty please
>>97505670These comments are grim
>>97505874Rob is still going through it in stream. I’d rather not get (You)’s from people whining about his face on each image.
>>97505764Do you have the RoR rules?
>>97505891Understandable. Carry on then.
>checking how much value is in the tzeentch battleforce>realize this fucker is $170 by himself
>>97505895You mean these?
>>97505928It’s a really good battleforce, I have basically everything but the demons for tzeentch so I might try and grab two of them if I can. RoR is also nice because I was never going to grab that old spearhead.
>>97505948Once I saw how much the big chicken was I immediately got two of them since I don't really like his mortals but I love all the daemons
Iliathan supremacy
>>97505764I give the game alot of shit right now for bad rules but this makes me happy to see even though I don't have loomies, I just want the game to have more interesting rules.But I'm like 99% sure one of the writers is complete shit that wrote the NH battle tome and he's about drop another dump on another army that will extinguish all hope I have for 5e. Since LRL and FEC are Matt's armies, I'm thinking he wrote those books, they had a little more effort put into them.
>>97505978I didn’t know they were his armies, but that makes sense.
>>97505978They did a really good job on the moomineth from everything I've seen so far. Still not playing them until they get more cows though
Searing Darts of Light has the same stats but they added "Shoot in combat" just for fun.
>>97505764By Nagash how mortifying
>>97505812I'm a HoH hater but New Coke is just not a good comparison. Everybody hated New Coke. Everyone loves HoH, which makes their lack of appeal to me even worse.
Is wyrdflame gone? Haven't seen any mention of it in these previews.
>>97506031Nigga you been playing too much Tainted Grail
>>97506036what
>>97505764Capital k Kino. I do like that they seem to have finally gotten off their asses snd started making battletomes actually interesting. I guess things started shifting around the fec release?>>97505850Anon... they're considered one of the worst ones, and old khorne one of most busted. Good luck, you'll need some >>97506020I know everyone bitches and moans about gw redesigning chorfs but honestly can you blame them? Original chorfs were pretty damn unpopular in both their incarnations (granted one of them was doomed anyway being forgeworld but still). They had what can be described as a cult following at best, until total war got them back in the spotlight. If the 3 year design cycle is true they were already balls deep into art deco helsmiths by then.
>>97506018Once Per Battle (Army) 1 CPRoll a d3, on a 2+, a non-hero non-flying non-cavalry unit gains a Relentless Discipline Point if wholly within 12" of a non-unique OSSIARCH BONEREAPERS hero, otherwise both the target unit and hero take 1 mortal wound that cannot be negated.
>>97505563>2 year cycleIf they switched the strategy behind rule development, this could work. Have a new edition with indexes for everyone, as was in 4th. But instead of battletomes, update rules for free but make the paid app the most convenient to still make a buck. Have two year cycles and either jump from realm to real or have a selection of realms in each season.I'm mostly brainstorming here, but AoS most certainly can't catch up to 40k in terms of popularity and it never will. It lacks the secret sauce, 40k had that attracted people. Than and also killing off all free advertisement >>97506048>old khorne one of most busted2+ juggers do seem like a grinder too good for spearheadAt least annahilators have the courtesy to be slow once deployed
>>97506048>I know everyone bitches and moans about gw redesigning chorfs but honestly can you blame them?No, but I can blame them for picking an exaggerated geometric motif that opts for clean and smooth surfaces over something more brutal and diabolic. I was prepared to accept pretty much any possibility for a redesign except the specific one we got.
>>97505764It's like IDK, except it doesn't suck to play as and against
>>97505939Oh right the birdbrains also got a couple
>>97506110Holy soul on that Changeling RoR
>>97506107With this new LRL tome and now that my army is in a painted playable state, my IDK are firmly shelved until 5e or significant changes. Comparing the two times is embarrassing knowing they’re from the same edition of the same game.
>>97505978>I'm like 99% sure [...]What makes you say that? Also I'm guessing you mean obr?>>97506096Mhm, fair, I personally like the geometric stuff in general but it was executed poorly in some cases like the artillery.
>>97505670These guys are faggots. I can't think of a person local to them that uses their shop.
>>97506110So the changeling can be allied in any army in the game, but he basically has to "replace" a hero when he comes in from reserves?Whats the benefit?
>>97506202Yeah but it's still worrying that as the local " AoS guys " their community has basically died in their own words. Reading the comments, it seems like a common trend.
>>97506259
>>97506239Seems like the ability allows you to switch between changeling and the infantry hero. Very situational, but flavorful, especially the spell
>>97506259Not a problem at all. They are just outside Toronto and have great shops a 15 minute drive in either direction from them. Area has a real strong scene.
>>97506239>Whats the benefit?It's realy cool?
I'm so happy the battle traits and warscrolls have so much more flavor now than "Roll a D3. On a roll of 2+..."
>>97506259The comments are what worry me. People from all over the world are telling horror stories of their areas dying during 4th. 5th really will be make or break.
I'm not watching your shity video. Go find a real job, you won't be the next Pediepie or whatever
>>97506337I am not shilling any video I am talking about worrying reports from around the globe of the decline of AoS.
>>97505885>>97506318>>97506360A few days ago the largest third party store in Europe did an interview via a Youtube video and attested to AoS struggling sales wise since the release of ToW. I am starting to not feel so good. This store is like a mega chain that accounts for like 1/50th of all GW revenue in the world.
>>97506337It's just a guy concern trolling, he finds some new shit every week to go all "guys I just saw x and I'm really worried..." about. Last week it was subreddit activity (lol), the week before that it was some battlereport thing, and the week before that it was more inane youtuber nonsense.Funniest part is when he tries to pass off youtubers with <10k views as "relatively popular" or whatever.At the end of the day all you can do is ignore them, they'll talk to themselves a bit or start another seethe thread but what can you do.
>>97506360>i'm not shittign any video>i just spam posts teling people to look at its comment section
Imagine if the 2 year cycle rumor is true. It sounds too retarded to be possible but this is GW we are talking about.
>>97506364>I am starting to not feel so good. Get your house checked for black mold.
>>97506386Absolutly no issue with ths when GW can just drop mass indexes for everyone day 1
>>97506318>game is too complicatedwhat in the actual fuck
Sadly the not-so-local stores I visited today didn't have anything I was looking for. I'd hoped to strike gold with this elusive fucker or maybe something else that's not quite so hard to find, but they really just had the basic shit you could buy online.Not even any good paint selections outside of GW and whatever the fuck Turbo Dork is.
>>97506425I don’t know how people are finding him at their stores when the 2 I frequent with big stocks of Aos don’t have any.
>>97506446Isn't this guy something given out to new stores? If anything a decent aos selection makes it less likely you run into him, has to be some obscure store noone visits (AND the owner can't know enough about warhammer/aos so he doesn't just put them on ebay for 80 bucks or whatever)
Now that the dust has settled, why did the Helsmiths flop?
>>97506543People liked the idea of Helsmiths of Hashut more so than the actual models.
How's it hanging floppie. Been a while, right?
>>97506600Pretty good. How are you? Yes, it’s been a minute.
>>97506623Doing good myself, enjoying my week off.Good luck over there in canada I heard there was a big snow storm. Or is that only for the us?
>>97506446I'd never been so I had no idea how big their collections would be. >>97506468That's the general consensus online, but no one is really sure. GW still hasn't acknowledged it even exists.
>>97506643Thanks, it's not near me idk. You enjoy your days off.
>>97506682You working the glory hole tomorrow or Saturday night? Want to make sure I catch you
Will LRL and Tzneetch save AoS?Or do we need a critical mass of new books (so maybe need to wait until OBR, Ogres, Fyreslayers)?
Please post the entire Lumineth book and my life is yours
>>97506755
>>97506446I only found mine at a store with almost no Warhammer stock.>>97506468Thiiiis. It has to be like a "card game/model train store that tried dipping into Warhammer but then immediately stopped when nobody bought any" kind of place.
Did the army of renown get looked at for tzeentch?
>>97506763You got me there.My life is forfeitBut if you want my soul, post the whole book too
>>97506778https://www.reddit.com/r/tzeentch/comments/1qwwdte/armies_and_regiments_of_renown/
I've been reading some AoS books for the first time, thought fuck it lets start with the realm gate wars series (Also read the black rift books), are all AoS books just endless combat? Also in one of the hallowed knight ones it says at one point there are a dozen hallowed knights left yet that was 2 books ago at this point and about 100 have died in their retreat across some ice with the Slvaneth why is it so inconsistent?
>>97506891GW has never been good with numbers.
>>97506891gw hadn't decided how many stormcasts there were in general, how big the setting was meant to be, and how fast they could be reforged.still hasn't.
>>97506891BL used to have some good writers that could put out fun and inspired stories once in a while. Now the talent pool for BL is mediocre at best. All the newer BL books are absolute slop regardless of if they are AoS or 40k or any other GW IP. If there’s a good book it’s an exception to the rule. Peter Fehervari is probably their best currently employed writer.
>>97506747Maaaaybe? The problem more so is that the zeitgeist is behind TOW right now. People aren't talking or discussing AoS and there isn't anything to talk about.If LRL and DoT are good, they'll generate some more discussion. But what AoS really needs is a big event or change. Scourge of Ghyran came out like a wet fart in the middle of summer with no fanfare.They'd some kind of big lore event, I think: something like all the realms getting merged or an actually consequential campaign that upsets the status quo. They can't do a new edition, so a mechanical change is right out.
Looking into trying out the Fyreslayers. What's their playstyle like? They have slow speed and seem pretty squishy, and I don't see any run and charge abilities
>>97507285They have the soon to be squatted playstyle (not trolling)
>>97507207Scourge of Ghyran felt like a non-event, it changed nothing and every event that centered around Alarielle ended up meaning nothing.They had a really good opportunity with Embergard to turn it into AoS Mordheim, but they just left it in Underworlds purgatory.
>>97504955that's a perfectly reasonable rumor
>>97506755>>97506850I'll be taking that now.https://gofile.io/d/BNHFvr
>>97507649You can have it. WillinglyMy soul is yours
>>97507740Why does it smell like paint thinner?
>>97505663Honest Wargamer gets more views and he's seen as an insignificant blip
>>97507740Onto the pile it goes.>>97507762Hey, give that back. It's mine.
I mostly like what I'm seeing in DoT but it annoys me more than a little bit that Kairics lost both their ranged attacks and spellcasting since 3e and the Scourge of Ghyran variant doesn't amend this.
>>97507789I didn't take it, the damn thing is stinking up the whole room!
>>97507649I don't think there's been a single army whose mechanics have changed so greatly and so frequently as LRLThey're basically just a whole new army that uses the same models every single time another book comes out.
>tzeentch kept the chaos spawn spell LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
With the new foot lord-regent adding 3 dice to rally rolls, there might be some tech here with the bannerblade enabling rally while in combat
>>97507803>Kairics lost both their ranged attacks and spellcastingThat kills me desire to start DoT. GW really is determined to strip all the ranged shooting from everything. Assholes. They fucked my Fyreslayers over the same way.
>>97507856LRL channel in Coach's discord is actually liking Wardens.
>>97507877I can see why, you can rally them in combat and do 20 "on a 5+ do 1 mortal wound" rolls every single combat phaseSanctum of Amyntok and Shrine Luminors hard protect LRL heroes, requiring your opponent to straight up kill the manifestation/terrain piece to even begin touching them. A scinari enlightener is VERY safe against anything that doesn't have some really dedicated shooting.
>>97507803Kairos also lost it, I can understand why for him, I havent seen the kairircs whole profile yet to internalize why though.
>>97507803It's basically the same as in the faction pack, maybe some number was tweaked. But compared to the 3e scroll they lost some abilities including their signature spell and their ward save, on top of having no ranged attack. On the whole I still think I like the look of the 4e army rules, it's just me who's peeved that things don't stay the same.
>>97507960I was seeing talk about these guys being your "deepstrike" bait with how quickly you can get FP. Run them wherever you need them and then swap out for the correct unit. The Tzeentch heroes have a lot of sauce, though.
>>97507960I really would have liked to at least see the vulcarch ability there. Im sure the army has enough control already with the new argents and then some, but still. Having these dudes be annoying would have been fun. I guess I should be happy they have rend now. I guess.
how many kits of argent shards am I gonna want? Is it just the one?
>>97507973>the vulcarch abilityThe SoG warscroll has it so there's that.
A bit less of a combat monster but the reaction ability is funny. Although it would be funnier if it was any declaration of a spellcasting ability, not just an opponent's.
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