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if you think about it, amaris was right

>>97521414
Amaris bankrupted Red Lobster by dine and dashing all the way from Apollo to Terra.

Has anyone seen Amaris and Alaric in the same room at the same time?

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Battletech if it was written today:
>Instead of globalism being responsible for the state of the setting, it's populism and nationalism
>Mechs are smaller and primarily used as long-range missile launchers
>Wealthy nations use stealth mechs while poor nations use cheaper disposable converted industrial mechs
>Most nations aren't monarchies but are instead some variant of fascism or nationalist oligarchies
>Infantry is extremely dispersed, instead of operating in platoons they operate in fireteams

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>>97521456
Originally battletech definitely wasn't very liberal in its sensitivities, but I doubt it gave some glowing endorsement to monarchies either.
Anyhow, if you want horrors beyond your comprehension of what battletech would be like made today, there is usually some lancer thread in the catalogue somewhere.

So how exactly do coolant trucks work? And where are their rules printed?

I know that they are basically free heat sinks for mechs within a certain range of them, but that’s all I know. Like how many heat sinks do they provide? How far is the range of their effect? Can they provide coolant to multiple mechs at once or just one at a time?

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>>97521486
Battletech generally takes the common view of monarchism, that being that monarchism is a tool of globalism to unite people of different cultures under an enlightened leadership. This is generally viewed as a good thing within the setting, with any attempts to move away from it inevitably failing.

>>97521498
Battletech is asking: Would you rather be ruled by pre-19th century European powers or by Cold War-era communist military juntas?

>>97521488
One option is to spray their white sticky coolant all over you reducing up to a maximum of 9 heat I believe? Been a while since I looked up the rules. I think that you can also hook up which reduces up to 15 heat but you are immobile if you do that and if a mech fails a PSR it comes undone.

>>97521488
Rules are also in Tac Ops Advanced Rules if I remember correctly.

>>97521456
Good lord what a shitty game that would be. What we have is much better and people shouldn't be trying to rewrite it.

>>97521488
You can hook up the hose to the mech's actual system and boost a large amount of cooling per turn (and also recharge its coolant if the coolant degradation optional rule is being used), or you can blast coolant out of a vehicle flamer to give it an external cooling boost. Vehicle flamers are more traditional than mech flamers, with a tank of flammable gel. But you can actually shoot basically anything out of them, so coolant is an option.

>>97521595
The clans make life in the soviet union in the 1930's look genuinely cushy.

How good would a mechscale Mule be as an objective

>>97521976
You with the government?

>>97521918
Isn't that like half of a mapsheet?

>>97521976
Cheese.

>>97521984
not quite but in that range

>>97521904
Scientist Caste probably isn't too bad a life.

>>97521984
158m wide so 6 hexes?

>>97522016
Mechscale, so think more like 15 minis wide

Pretty sure Battletech uses its neofeudal setting for 2 purposes:

1) to justify the mechs as being these futuristic knights

2) to lampoon the fuck out of monarchy and feudal systems. Which I believe is supposed by the fact that all 4 succession wars were basically these “wise” rulers going: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3e0EkvIEM

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>>97522034
Tbf it lampoons the hell out of democracy even harder. Of the democracies the setting has, they basically consist of:
>A monarchy in all but name that relies on their monarch to protect them and falls apart when they're not around
>An actual in-name monarchy that also relies on their monarch to protect them and whose democracy keeps them small and insignificant
>A 'literally who?' republic that's so small and tiny that their primary rival is literally random pirates bands
>A collection of neo-luddite retards that can't afford battlemechs and who got conquered by the clans
>A collection of insignificant merchant states that got conquered by the clans as well
>A small handful of barely-acknowledged deep-periphery states that are so backwards that they don't even have battlemechs at all and just fight amongst themselves waiting to be conquered by the Clans

>>97522060
Honestly the better point I get out of Battletech is 'Governments suck'. Which I think is a moral just about anyone can get behind.

>>97522034
>>97522060

The purpose of the feudal system other than knights in space being cool, is you can actually focus on characters that make decisions that move the universe. You aren't doing some "The security chair for the oversight committee has tendered a motion to further investigate the loss of technology on planet Bumblefuck due to mysterious circumstances."

It's "The king commands and we GO!" That is the main advantage of a monarchy. You can get shit done in a hurry. Now, that means you can do really good things or take the whole space country to hell super quick.

Democracies in real life really are just mediocrity by numbers. It protects you from the low swings but prevents you from attaining the highs. That stability is preferred by markets for growth. That is until it all devolves into a corrupt bureaucratic mess that bleeds all the profit away from the average citizen.

>>97521414

No he wasn't. He literally had zero reason to fucking kill Cameron. He was already the power behind the throne. He was making bank hand over fist. He had no reason whatsoever to ACTUALLY stage a coup, he was already effectively in charge.

>>97521414
He was like a lot of dictators. He used people's legitimate grievances to manipulate them into serving his own lust for power and violence.

>>97521456
>Instead of globalism being responsible for the state of the setting, it's populism and nationalism

Honestly, depending on the particular conflict, there's plenty of arguments for either one.

>>97522010
Unless your in JF, then you might get liquidated on your Khan's orders.

For what it's worth, there is a certain logic behind a spacefaring civilization having a monarchist/dynastic form of government. Even with some form of FTL, large scale space development takes centuries. It requires people to to spend their entire lives working toward goals they'll never live to see. It's simply impossible for anybody to genuinely care enough about some amorphous concept of "humanity" or even nation and culture to really do that. But family? That's a powerful biological imperative. Having a family-centred organizing principle yokes the biogical drive to procreate and secure a future for one's children directly to scientific and industrial development, bypassing the individual's need for instant gratification.

Businesses count quarters. Democracies count elections. Dynasties count lifetimes.

>>97522525
A key feature of feudalism is the decentralized nature of military power, which I think is the most convincing reason that feudal monarchies developed in battletech. With space travel taking months and communication being limited, military force and government administration becomes relativelu localized. A large government would be a collection of localities, and ensuring the loyalty of planetary localities would be essential. The natural way to do that would be to give local rulers rewards, like titles and control over resources, in exchange for that loyalty and commitment of their forces to the larger government’s goals. It’s kind of a natural recreation of the circumstances which lead to feudalism in the first place.

>>97522763
Also remember that most of the space monarchy developed before FTL communications did. Communication was even slower. You needed local leaders to be able to act, because the capital won't even know about most situations until they're already over, nevermind the time it takes to formulate orders or dispatch a larger response.

>>97522525
>>97522763
>>97522790
Genuinely shocking how often people forget these points

>>97522879
It's not forgotten, the lore goes out of it's way to tell you repeatedly that it is a collection of feudal societies, but it never shows it.
Especially as the games IP license switched hands over the years, later owners never depicted it at all, FASA only depicted it a little at the beginning, the statements of feudalism do not jive with the depictions of the various house empires as being exactly the same as nations today except their rulers are not elected.
The militaries are not shown as independent knights operating under the banner of their lords, they are depicted as generals and captains and so on in structured modern style militaries.
So it is not forgotten, it is ignored, and it is ignored by the players only because it is ignored by the writers.

>>97522980
Europe operated that way for over a millenia, so there is no excuse, it's just lazy writing from low tier hacks who couldn't cut it in the literary world and can only survive as "authors" by writing for gaming IP's in the form of advertisements as stories.

>>97522879
Because I don't want monarchies in my game. It's a retarded form of government. We progressed beyond it for a reason. I don't consider any of those points to be valid. It's a collection of dishonest arguments in order to support the preconceived notion that "monarchy good", which it obviously is not, never has been, and never will be.

>>97523006
>>97522997
>>97522980
Ok, so what form of government should be shown as the right choice in Battletech then? And don't say democracy, because not only does that clearly not work IRL, but it literally can't work on an interstellar scale due to the communications lag.

>>97523006
Life was better for the common man under feudal rule (relative to technological level) than it is today under "liberal" "democracies"

>>97522436
It was definitely globalism that resulted in the rise of the Terran Alliance and later Star League.

>>97523011
Oligarchy and National Socialism are the only governments which work. Oligarchy should be the bad guys, and National Socialists are the good guys. It's not a hard concept.

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>>97523011
Fascism. It works for China.

>>97523011
I didn't say there was anything wrong with feudalism as a governance for the narrative, I said the writing never /showed/ it that way.
Telling and not showing is crap writing.

>nazianon
And thus, any attempt at debate goes out the window. Have fun, argument over, there's no good purpose in talking to you.

>>97523036
>he's jealous of my natural superiority and knows that he can't win an argument

>>97523036
No, that was not me.
National Socialism is not the only form of government that works, monarchic rule can and did work quite well because when it didn't there was only one head to put under the guillotine.

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>>97523041
Fuck off loser.

>>97523044
>there was only one head to put under the guillotine.
Ironically when monarchies failed it was usually because of the aristocrats beneath them, not the king themselves, absolute monarchy is the best form of monarchy.

How come no one's made a Gauss rifle projectile with a payload inside of it?

>>97523064
Yes that also did occur, I was being a little glib there. The point still stands that those aristocrats were in inherited lifetime positions and therefore far easier to single out for reprisal by the masses.
No form of government is immune to corruption, some forms of government are easier to deal with the corruption than others, democracy being the absolute worst offender as the actors involved get to play hot potato with power and responsibility for a few years at a time, many alive today could not begin to list the vast number of individuals who have taken turns at robbing and abusing the common man and most could only tell you who the biggest offenders are in the current day, if that.
But when it's King McArseface the Fifth, Count Buttholio the Third and Duke Fucknugget the Seventh who have been doing it their whole lives the issue is much simpler to resolve and need not require the dismantling and rebuilding of the entire structure of governance.
>>97523069
The Roman Empire died centuries before that millenia began, it couldn't properly begin until the death throes of Rome had quite finished.

>>97523021
Have you considered: The Clans?

>>97523055
>posts AIslop

>>97523084
Because it is redundant, dangerous and inefficient.
At the speeds of railguns kinetic force alone is comparable to or superior to the force of a non-nuclear explosive payload.
The forces involved in propelling the projectile the barrel do not play nicely with explosive materials or delicate triggering systems.
Lastly the efficiency of the propellant system is reduced if the projectile is not a solid metallic mass.

>>97523114
>The same logic makes it a safeguard against corruption since no one person holds power long enough to personally abuse it to the fullest!
Which is why no democracy today is in any way corrupt and certainly not wholly corrupt in every position of power, right?
>The Holy Roman Empire is the same as the Roman Empire
You have no right to participate in a discussion of history, GTFO.

Why spray coolant on a mech? Coolant is coolant because its a mixture that has good thermal capacity while being as non-oxidizing as possible. If you want to help cool down a mech from the outside then a simple spray of water would do. There should be scrappy planet defenders having fire trucks following them around to allow for alpha strike ambushes for dirt cheap unless the planet is water scarce.

>>97523132
For the same reason you don't quench worked steel in water but use oils instead.
Rapid temperature reduction with water can crack metals and will ruin the temper.
Starting submerged in water like standing in a lake to prevent the heat buildup in the first place is okay, jumping into a body of water when already hot is not.

>>97523101
Clans aren't really fascist though. They have some aspects of it but miss out on a few important parts. Their loyalty is to their particular clan, not to a nation of sorts. And the castes themselves have a lot of autonomy within their roles. They ritualize warfare instead of basically total war conquering. Hell even the whole the first clan to take Terra becomes the ilClan is more a ritual than it is total conquering of the Inner Sphere. It's a rigid life but not exactly fascism.

>>97523145
>Power ALWAYS Corrupts
No, it does not, there have been many good monarchs and many instances of fair societies existing for lengthy periods in other forms of governance as well, this axiom is peddled to you and the rest of the NPC's to make you believe that things as they are were an inevitability and therefore acceptable in the big picture.
But again, you have disqualified yourself from serious participation in this discussion.

>>97523142
But they can just walk into a pond when hot to cool off faster in the next 10 seconds. Also they aren't actually work-hot or they'd be glowing.

>>97523164
Metals do not need to be glowing hot to ruin their temper, if you'd ever worked with chisels in an everyday capacity you would know this. Hell, just wrenching on a stubborn bolt can get it hot enough to fuck up it's integrity.

>>97523170
For you, but not for me.
This disproves your "point".

>>97523145
Are you sure of the exact cause and effect?

>lest they be voted out of Office.
Representatives are old farts in nice clothes. The only people who matter are the young men with weapons (and tools) who get the work done. If the "representative" does not have the loyalty of the latter in some way, then they don't matter, especially if that loyalty is owned by someone else. Feudalism skips the pretense and pretend play. The way of the Clans skips the second level of pretense entirely.

>>97523198
Pure projection, cope and seethe.

>>97523198
>Yes, because have you ever tried to go Mad WITHOUT power?
Sure, anti-ICE protestors.

>>97523114
>The same logic makes it a safeguard against corruption since no one person holds power long enough to personally abuse it to the fullest
Lol, no.
Republicanism protects its people from nothing, it has only ever provided an illusion of popular power that placates them and makes them easier to manipulate at best.
A republic presenting itself as by and for the people is overwhelmingly a facade by the elite that just makes the image of who's actually in power infinitely more obscure than the older common forms of government.

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>>97523088
Any form of government that can be corrupted, shouldn't be used.

>>97523252
Armed men and revolutionaries are not the majority.
The men who led, fought or even supported the american revolution were a tiny minority of the general population, the rest being mostly indifferent to either cause and merely accepting the change in leadership.
The status quo is held by the entrenched elite, change, if it occurs, is brought on by a small vanguard that later become the entrenched elite. The general populace, the average person, the "people" are almost universally bystanders or sheep to be led, they hold no power and desire none in the first place. Those who claim to give power to the people are naive or dishonest, that effort being like giving money to the homeless.
>brownshirt
The brownshirts ceased to exist about 80 years ago.

Ignore the commie coddling bitch.
He is Capelian, and likely a faggot.
Also Free Worlds League is best.
That is all.

>>97523264
AnCap is the right answer, yes. Government shouldn't exist at all.

>>97523314
Because if you aren't speaking in favor of fascism, then you're a leftist, and if you're a leftist, then you are a communist.

What is this, chuck-e-cheese? This bait has been remicrowaved so much it's turned into a brick.

>>97523325
Anarchy can never exist outside of a transitional state, a new power will always arise, nature abhors a vacuum.
Single leader governance is the best because, as stated earlier ITT, the responsibility for corruption lies on a limited number of readily identified persons, fixing the problem when it arises is far simpler.
You engineer a government like you would engineer a machine, kee it as simple as possible and understand that maintenance will always be required, 100% efficiency and durability ae impossible, so make dismantling the machine to replace and service damaged parts easy and simple.

>>97523294
>No, that's not how it went
That is how it went, the overwhelming majority of people did not actively participate on either side of the conflict. The statistics indicate no more than one fifth of the general population took part.
About a quarter of the eligible population even participated in the electoral process for decades afterwards.
Most people are objectively apathetic towards politics.
>And you said I was projecting
No, I didn't. And if you think most people are politically active, you're a helplessly misinformed and/or uninformed fool.
>Funny, since that's how a certain orange stain seem to be using them
Enforcing law does not make someone a member of a foreign organization that hasn't existed for almost a century.

>>97523314
Well for one you replied without him even saying which anon it was.

>>97523334
Does Battletech have a popular kid's mascot pizza place?

>>97523325
Meh, more small L libertarian myself.
There does need to be a state, as people will always organize and align with one another to some degree. Even it it be Direct family - extended familial clans - local region - so on.
States will therefore, always exist in some capacity, its just best to make sure they stay out of peoples lives as much as is reasonable. Thus, why many view the bloated, beurocratic state as the great evil as it is by its nature incentivized to meddle and find problems to further justify its own existence and paychecks.

Which is why im an actual monarchist. Closest we have ever had to proper libertarian state outside the early US and now Argentina i suppose.

>>97523252
>said the only people who matter are the young men with weapons and tools
One level up are the people paying and supplying those young men with tools. Ultimately those young men could and historically have bonked the supplier-merchant-men over the head if they were genuinely unhappy, but that is why the latter learned real well to keep the former happy as much as possible. Over the thousands of years that has evolved a lot of course, now its combined with a fair bit of coercion and the fact that modern weapons multiply force enough such that a only few happy enforcers is enough to keep the others in line.

OmniGovernments with easily swapped components when?

>>97523379
>a SINGLE point of failure
No, a single point of responsibility, the state is the people, not the leader. you are mistaking the analogy, the leader is the control console, the people are the actual mechanical parts. the control console is not required in any specific form and can be swapped out for another interface format or upgraded, as needed or desired. The machine itself is not optional.

>>97523395
It's called a guillotine and it only needs the masses to remember that.

>>97523406
That almost never happens and when it does it usually makes things worse afterwards. The ideal is to have strong centralized leaders that can't be killed and are beholden to nobody.

>>97523433
no, it makes things better, start executing politicians and judges, etc... who are known to be corrupt and you will very quickly see the rest fall in line.
If you are a burger your right to weapons is not about self-defence or hunting, it is about your duty, your responsibility, to police your own government.
The guillotine is only a cause of worsening situations when its implementation is sought and achievement of that goal fails.

>>97523356
Cappie Cheeze.

>>97523452
You overthrow a Tsar that’s how you get a Stalin.

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I'm painting up an IS Omni for each state. My picks are
Kurita: Avatar
Davion: Templar
Liao: Men Shen
Steiner: Hauptmann
I want to paint them loosely based on different flags. The Hauptmann I think should be black, red, and gold, but I can't think of a decent pattern for the colors.

>>97523511
The Capellans would never

>>97523454
The best leaders in history have always been powerful and accountable to nobody

>>97523562
Don't forget to give Marik a Perseus

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>>97523604
Good catch, that is my actual plan.

Man some one really managed to strike a nerve on the thread Yahtzee enthusiast.

>>97523663
Honest to God, the last several threads have been so full of off-topic shitflinging I'm genuinely wondering if someone's out here with two computers purposefully being a retard

>>97522010
>Scientist Caste probably isn't too bad a life.
They were literally mass culled following the Wars of Reaving and the conflict with the Society simply because some of them MIGHT be members of said group, anon.

>>97522034
>1) to justify the mechs as being these futuristic knights
Sadly that hasn't been a thing for a long, long time now :(

>>97523036
>N....nazi! HA!
You lose.

The Inner Sphere has a life expectancy of 90+ years, if the lesson is 'monarchy is bad' they just proved the opposite

>>97523781
>The Inner Sphere has a life expectancy of 90+ years
*laughs in literally any of the Asian factions*

>>97523807
Total gooner death.

>>97523781
It never had an anti-monarchy message. The overall writing avoids being anti on the basis of government and society, even for the clans.
Which ends up being really stupid, because portraying the clans in even a neutral light requires you to describe them in the barest detail to avoid acknowledging that they are one of the most comically grimderp societies in all of fiction that isn't literal parody.
It tends to go for "it's just humans being humans, it all sucks, new flags, nothing changes" but on one side it really is just regular human societies and on the other it's actual, inescapable, pointless living hell for your entire life.
It's like the berlin wall but one side is 90's america and the other side is even worse than 90's north korea.

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>>97523777
Well maybe don't abuse your relatively good life to create an abortive rebellion that included both Dark Caste dealings and touching genetic stores. Best time to rat out a secret society if there ever was one.

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Elemental gf...

>>97523815
They are.

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>>97523820
I'd say the setting has a pretty firm anti-democracy and anti-republican message.

>>97523923
That's a good thing. Democracy is terrible, and so are republics. The population shouldn't have a voice in how they are ruled. That's what the Aryan elite are for. It's our duty to either eliminate or uplift the savage masses into something resembling civilization, because they aren't capable of it on their own, and they're a danger to themselves and everyone else if allowed to live without being ruled. It's the burden of the Aryan race, but one we would gladly shoulder is the damned feminists and minorities would just shut up and accept they aren't fit to self-govern.

>>97524173
Nazi Germany was a republic.

Only bloodnamed warriors should be allowed to vote on political matters.

>>97524247
Calm down Robert Heinlein.

>>97524247
Okay Ian Moon

Battletech fails because it has no cohesive visual identity, unlike WH40K

>franchise still alive from 80s
>fails

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Why doesn't the bigger clanners (the elementals) just overthrow the smaller clanners?

>>97524488
Battletech has a cohesive mech design, its mechs are very organic, and designed to mimic real animals and have a skeletal structure

Why are you idiots wasting time debating with manic?

>>97524895
Because nobody posts Hauptmann for some strange reasons

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>>97518971
>the only problem with tow missiles in battletech is ...
>>empty your archer's missile bins
>>your mech now looks like a giant retarded faggot as it drags fucking a gorillion spent tow lines of fibre optic around with it like a fucking pimp cape of sequins and fishnet
>>97519120
>Do we still have artfags? I really want to see this because the mental image alone is making me lose it.

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Anyone have a guess on how long it will take for us to get a Naga STL from MWO or Clans?

>>97525439
I've seen someone post a model about a month back of one. Wish I saved the pic. No idea where they got the .stl from or if it was something they had ported themselves.

>>97525537
>no idea
the database has 9 different sculpts and has for quite some time.

>>97524836
The FWL is a democracy the same way a pug dog is a wolf.

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>>97525628
What database exactly anon? I just went looking again all I’m finding are Naga II STL’s.

>>97525737
You'll have to find someone else to hare that information, this thread is not safe given how the troves keep getting nuked by C&D.
But I can tell you that the oldest STL is 5 years, and the best is 4 years.

>>97524836
The democracy that only exists because its monarchy holds it together and completely falls apart when not under their thumb?

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>>97525758
Understood, thanks anyways anon. One of these days I’ll find my hidden cache.

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>>97523011
Depends, every type of government is good for different things.
>Republican democracies are, ironically, the best at war (people scare easily so they demand big military budgets, and the relative openness and constant terror of their enemies makes them push to have the best weapons tech)
>Monarchies are the best at being progressive and genuinely liberal (monarchies generally don’t actually want to control anything, since the more they’re responsible for the more blame they get, so they usually try to put themselves into a ceremonial role and only get involved to push authoritarians out of power)
>Fascism is good at leveraging economic power (their willingness to exercise state control over corporations to national ends means that they can flex their economic muscles much more than anyone else)

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Painting practice.

>>97523069
>Because for that Millennia, Europe was the backwater ghetto of the Roman Empire!
Are you actually retar- actually no, I recognise manics style, you are genuinely retarded. Try educating yourself a little, child.

>>97526235
Governance is largely unnecessary.
Delegation of regional responsibility to underling nobility works with monarchies not only because they don't want to be blamed, but because every monarch and noble wants to maximize their personal leisure/freedom time.
Government only needs to keep the lights on, water running, borders secure and a minimal set of laws policed fairly.
we do not need committees to discuss wether or not to drop daylight savings time for 5 years straight only to dissolve with the conclusion "we don't know". We do not need bureaucrats to dictate that "camouflage pattern X is only legal for use by the military, hunters must use camouflage pattern Y or Z with an armband or vest of color A", and so on.
Your personal familiarity with government is only of the kind that bloats itself to justify higher taxation so it can bloat itself to justify higher taxation so it can bloat itself to, etc...

>>97526282
There is definitely worse in this general, but keep at it. Definitely playable though.

>>97526235
Generally speaking it’ll end up being a bureaucratized parliament, one that is somewhat democratic but not so much that it gives into fearmongering or populism.

This is why Fronc Reaches is so militant in the setting btw. As one of the only genuine democratic republics to exist in the setting, the people are easily stirred into fear and panic over things like piracy, and so

To those of you who play one of the "canon" mercenary companies, Woolf's Dragoons, Big MAC and such, what's the appeal for you over playing /yourdudes/?
Not giving you shit, I'm just curious.

>>97526479
I have a lance of Kell Hounds that I built for a Hinterlands campaign because when I was randomly allocated mechs I ended up with a Wolfhound, Linebacker, Bushwacker, and Vixen, and the Kell Hounds were the best explanation for that mix. Plus, their whole thing of coming out exile and founding a Lyran splinter state is neat.

My understanding is that Wolf's Dragoons players enjoy the epic highs and lows, switching from "biggest and best mercenary company in the inner sphere" to "oh god we just got nearly wiped out" every era. Plus being able to freely mix Clan and IS tech.

Eridani Light Horse enjoyers seem to like the whole "last vestige of the Star League Defense Force" vibe

>>97526501
>being able to freely mix Clan and IS tech
Every mercenary company gets this freedom, even under self-imposed lore restrictions.

>>97526479
I have a Knights of St. Cameron company, but I also have a donut steel company, and a number of canon government forces. I just don't really need more than one OC scheme for the way I play. If I want to use myguys for a campaign, then it'll just be my same guys reframed for whatever the campaign is. They don't have a hard headcanon era or alignment to any particular state. If I want to play a canon force that fits the game's era and location, then I'll do that instead.
I painted up some Cameronites because I had just done a deep dive on their fluff and like their style (particularly their scruffy pre-clan style where they're constantly broke because of their own altruism).

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Speaking of mixing clan and IS tech, here's my matchup for tonight. I'm playing the Kuritan omni lance against the Wolf's Dragoons lance. That Thunderbolt is a nasty piece of work with all the clantech guns, I think I'll have to focus on his other stuff first. If he gets my Raptor in LOS of those pulse lasers he'll butcher it.

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>>97526716
Will report back on results after the game.

>>97526683
>altruistic
the way battletech insists on portraying mercenaries as altruists is infuriating, it's supposed to be feudal right? Well then altruistic knightliness is for house mechwarriors, mercenaries are your landsknecht equivalent, and the landsknecht were not altruistic, as the old song goes "when the landsknecht drink they burn the wine like fire, farmers watch out or your barn will end up blazing" (rough paraphrasing of a trasnlation from the german)
Mercenaries are the "Women and children, eh? That'll cost extra" types, they are not charities.
Song for those interested:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8drbk6Cp_0

>>97526737
Off. Yeah. Thats not how it works. You can go play a historical if you want those kinds of mercenaries.

>>97526737
In fairness the Knights of St. Cameron are less mercenaries and more a religious-militant order and unlike most mercs they DO suffer the consequences of their altruism (aforementioned constant brokeness)

Most mercs in the setting though are able to just consistently make money working for the Good Guys and you can tell the Bad Guys are Bad because they don't treat mercenaries well (Kuritans, Capellans a little bit, Clans)

>>97526749
>those kinds of mercenaries
That is what all Mercenaries are, everywhere in all periods of history.
Nice guys do not think "Killing people for money sounds like a good job!"

>>97526757
Capellans treat their mercenaries really really generously though, long as they want in on the long-term mutual partnership deal.

>>97526737
Well, not all mercenaries are corpo greedboys. The KoSC are specifically a religious order functioning as mercenaries because "mercenary" is a much more convenient legal construct than "private religious army". Most of their contracts are either pro bono pirate hunts or big government garrison jobs because they actually need the money to not go bust. Then they got smashed by the clans and disappeared for a while before popping back up with a bottomless budget from the Cult of the Saints Cameron. Then they disappeared again in the Jihad for mysterious space cult reasons.

>>97526757
As they should be, your comment merely flipped the peeve switch, not for them specifically.
As a rule (with the odd very niche exception that proves it like the st.camerons) anyone in-universe interested in being a mechwarrior for the cause of justice should be going to an established family line and swearing themselves to that liege lord, not going out and seeing contracts as guns for hire.
You could also have the odd knight-errant who wanders broke from planet to planet choosing to fight pirates and such with no agreement for pay and merely asking that he be fed and housed for awhile if the locals choose to show appreciation, tilting at windmills in the downtime.

>>97526764
Calling yourself a mercenary is the best way to act as an independent military organization in the setting. Even corporate forces raised for whatever purpose usually organize themselves as mercenaries and not a department of the company. Mercenaries get to move freely almost anywhere and get to be vouched for by third parties as long as their conduct remains professional. Organizing your good boy moral fights as contracts for barely any pay is what makes those fights legal. Raiding a pirate base because your "employer" paid you to is legal. Attacking a paramilitary force just because you say they're pirates is not. You gotta play the legal game to fight in space under your own banner.

>>97526796
Not him, but my personal mercs are deliberately going for the amoral moneymakers vibe. My CO is a defector from Lyran service who stole her mech along the way.

I actually created her as a response to Katie from the Fox Patrol. In the third Fox Patrol story, they get hired by a city who are being raided by bandits with one mech, defeat the bandits, and at the end the city uses a hidden clause in the contract to stiff her, only paying her in salvage that she has to sell to stay solvent. I thought this was really dumb of Katie to accept, and plan to write a bit with my merc CO in a similar situation, but when her client tries to stiff her, she threatens to start blowing up buildings until they pay up. Because if a single mech is enough to force you to hire an outsider, you shouldn't then try to stiff the people with four mechs.

>>97526821
>lawfare
Again, the setting is SUPPOSED o be feudal.
As an aside the knight-errant role would be a great way to lay an individual clanner from a totally-not-destroyed and shamed clan going about seeing honorable fights 1v4 with lances of irate lights/mediums in their battered but still functional Timber Wolf.

>>97526831
>she threatens to start blowing up buildings until they pay up
Perfection.
>>97526835
>you end up a landed noble
Not a given, Knights had many non-noble warriors under their banner who would live in their home and fight at their side.

>>97526846
If you don't engage in lawfare, then you get branded a pirate. When you show up and tell the local government "we are mercenaries here to destroy the pirates hiding on that moon", then they have to go out of their way to oppose you or admit those pirates are actually their own guys and then they might end up in trouble with a bigger government, but if you just roll in and start blasting, then you look like the pirates and they can easily show evidence of you acting like them.

>>97526866
When they try to complain that damaging the buildings is a crime and voids the contract, she points to a subsection in the contract under "collection of payment" that specifically allows her to use the threat or application of force to ensure the terms of the contract. Then has one of her pilots fire a PPC mere meters over the home of the guy she's negotiating with, then tells her pilot to aim a few degrees lower.

>>97526874
In a non-feudal setting, sure. You're too adjusted to lore written by lazy hacks who are incapable of sticking to the stated constraints of the setting, hacks who will write "dem whitey clanners is raycis and sheeit" despite choosing to genetically engineer a black clanner.

>>97526764
The world is always going to have soldiers libtard, and as long as it does you might as well get paid for it, that doesn’t mean you aren’t a nice person

>>97526764
Yeah. No. Sorry bud. Nothing you say matters. Mercs are good guys here.

What I don’t understand is why warlords aren’t more common. All of the monarchies in Battletech are fairly new and wouldn’t have that much tradition or legitimacy backing them, so there’s no reason for them to have so much staying power, it should be an ever-changing flow of warlords vying for power as states fall apart and new ones are formed

>>97526979
>All of the monarchies in Battletech are fairly new
By 3025 most of them have been established for over five centuries.

Also they have plenty of warlords, they call them Bandit Kingdoms and Periphery States.

>>97526948
No they are not, killing people for money is firmly on the side of immorality.

>>97527025
Wrong again bucko.

Got a star of Clanners printed up, going to do the emblem as Ghost Bears, but for the scheme itself I'm thinking an apartheid era SADF camouflage, the only thing I can't decide on is if I should do it in the authentic colors, or just keep the pattern and go greyscale to lean more into the Ghost Bear standard look, though they do use "operational camouflage" as stated in a bunch of places.

>>97526997
5 centuries is pretty short on the timespan of monarchies, for comparison Japan’s monarchy is 2,600 years old

>>97527050
Was.

>>97527050
And Britain's has been run by an upstart German pretender since 1660.

>>97527067
NTA but yesterday it was
>the roman empire ended in 1806!
So fuck off.

>>97527058
Japan is still a monarchy retard

>>97527079
NTA but the Roman Empire never reformed after it fell so we really shouldn’t be seeing states like the FWL reform

>>97527089
They are run by an elected official ever since the burgers dropped two unprecedented genocidal weapons on them and gifted them the "freedom" of democracy.

>>97527113
The monarch hasn’t been actually running anything since the feudal era, that’s WHY he’s been in power for 2,600 years. Monarchs prefer to hand off power to nobles and commoners because it allows them to stay in power basically forever with an approval rating of near 100% while living a wealthy life with no responsibility

>>97527137
>hand off power...to stay in power
I find this peculiar

Also in fairness, most of the monarchs in BT have delegated massive swathes of power both to common officials and to lesser nobles just because otherwise it'd be way too much to manage.

>>97527137
>You see, Japan CHOSE democracy
Kek.

>>97527160
Every monarch that can chooses democracy.

The ONLY time you ever see a monarch choose to stay in power is when they’re in charge of a 3rd world tribal shithole that will literally Balkanize and cease to exist if they don’t hold tightly to the reigns

>>97527215
Goalpost moving after gaslighting? No dice.

Man, you guys are lame.

>>97522390
Camerons were subhuman and the Hegemony was begging for death

He did the right thing

>>97527242
All the cool kids passively bitch in the corner.

In this thread anon pokes the yahtzee and boy look at him go!

>>97527329
given the comment
>apartheid era SADF
it sounds to me like nazianon is busy painting and only stopped in to make an on topic request for input on scheme

>>97527157
Monarchs don’t care about “power”. They care maintaining their position. The easiest way to do that is to hand off the reigns of power to others.

>>97523452
Wildly retarded take when the masses are more than willing to overlook corruption so long as it doesn't impede the policies they like. CA governor has admitted there is fraud, admitted he hasn't done shit about it, was caught red handed ignoring his own quarantine policies and has spent the state into a trillion dollar debt. All that and he can't even get recalled. What you advocate for is low intensity permanent civil war as politicians are killed in gangland style reprisal killings because you, mistakenly, believe [your side] will not only win but is monolithic in belief.

>>97527468
>so long as it doesn't impede the policies they like.
Actually it's so long as they have Bread & Circus.
If they masses have their living needs sated and entertainment to boot "corruption" is an ill-fitting label.
But the masses are not fed and they are not entertained. This state will take time to erupt in outright rebellion and reprisal, but it will erupt.
Rome did not fall in a day, it died over centuries, the current western globalist world will be much the same, it is hubris to think the wheel will not turn.

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Color or Grey?

Vehicles on bases or unbased?

>>97527776
If it isn't on a base, it's terrain.
The game is miniature agnostic, meaning the base itself is the unit, hence the front face of the hex being marked, the miniature on top of the base is just decor.

>>97527776
I try to put all units on bases, but I've got a couple upcoming vehicles I'm reconsidering it for. Specifically, the Merkava is such a massive brick that the only part of the base that's even visible under it are the two flank corners. The front and back are completely underneath by a pretty big margin.

>>97527888
print it smaller?

>>97527901
I prefer metal.

>>97526682
Not in 3025 you don't. But playing Dragoons we do.

>>97527968
Then you don't deserve to play this game.

>>97528054
not even dragoons get clantech in 3025, painting your mechs a certain color doesn't unlock a right to break the rules.

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>>97525439
Flashdesigns on cults3d has a Naga.
Not a one to one, but it prints out nicely
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/medusa-flashdesigns

Man, I never knew camouflage could be racist.
The things I learn in /btg/...

>>97526831
>Because if a single mech is enough to force you to hire an outsider, you shouldn't then try to stiff the people with four mechs.
"Wanted for hire: company sized battlemech force to destroy a rampaging lance of pirates. Pay upon completion of mission. Needed for reference: a force of mercenaries at least a battalion in strength who I may contact to inquire about your reputation as their former adversaries."

>>97528572
And how is one to get to the HPG to send this missive while a lance of unpaid mercs are out for your blood and you have not even a police urbie to defend you?
This is assuming such a backwater has an HPG and isn't reliant on dropship delivery mail.

>>97528586
"Wanted for hire: individual who can explain my jokes to autistic people on a Cambodian traditional hat appreciation forum"

>>97528599
If you can't explain your own "humour" then it isn't much.

>>97528522
There was a camouflage store in the Johannesburg airport when I visited SA in 2024. They didn't carry any Rhodesian patterns. Sadge.

>>97528796
The real joke is they wear the camouflage designed by the Apartheid and they love it so much they made it illegal for anyone not in the military to wear it.
At least the zimbabwe had the dignity to make their own pattern after the bush war (though they did wear the brushstroke for awhile).

>>97528707
I bet you gey angry when people say they see shapes in clouds, but when you look it's just a normal cloud.

>>97528891
Maybe you're just not funny.

>And yes, while we have your attention, the team is already hard at work on the next MW5 Mercs and Clans DLCs. More details on the MW5 Mercs DLC 8 will be coming at the end of March.
What might be this? Bulldog?

>>97529559
Didn't Clans do poorly? I'm honestly surprised MW5 is even still trucking along. At this point it might live long enough to have an 80 year old Mason in the Fedcom Civil war.

>>97529559
This is /tg/ not /vg/

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>>97528349
Looks pretty good though, will fit in well with the PGI Mechs. Thanks for sharing :)

>>97529587
>BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD ONE PPC BETWEEN THE WHOLE SQUAD
>Okay commander let's get you back to the nursing home

>>97529587
I think they're going for CJF DLC and be done with the Clans

>>97528087
Put your Chinese plastic inside your ass and drink some resin.

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Any idea what these could be a fitting proxy for? Best I could think of is some weird looking inner sphere standard

It’s funny to me that Battletech is such a peaceful place compared to the real world that Fronc Reaches gets shat on for being too aggressive to pirates.

>>97529745
the only real world pirates are somalians so if you were in any way aggressive with them you'd be convicted of hate crime.

>>97529745
It is funny isn't it? Pick a random place in the Inner Sphere, what are the chances that if you lived on that planet you'd even see conflict. Unless you end up on one of the border worlds or in Clan Invasion territory you probably wouldn't see much fighting or large scale conflict.

>>97529716
Huh those look like Apocalypse scale Tau Stealth suits. What are those from?

>>97529792
Yeah the life expectancy of the Inner Sphere is over 90+ years which is way better than even the wealthiest nations in the modern world. Your average capellan servitor lives a life an American wagie could only dream of

>>97529818
Almost like the Tau suits, but missing the antenna and goat legs

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Going with the greyscale for the camo, took a few coats, a wash and a drybrush to get the base light grey to my satisfaction, will start patterning the camouflage tomorrow.
Considering swapping the Cougar for an Adder because it's so late in the Clan Invasion for availability, but 600ish more BV is significant when the star is already over 10k.

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>>97526735
>>97526716
House Kurita and the Dragoons met at a dilapidated base, strategically relevant for the first time in centuries and well on the way to being reclaimed by forest

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>>97530254
Early on, both sides were striving for position. The Kuritan blackjack pilot decided to take a position atop the mech bay, and the Dragoon Phoenix Hawk pilot decided this was not very cash money of her. so he jumped up to duel with her.

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>>97530260
At which point the Blackjack pilot put a 10 damage cannon shot straight through the Phoenix Hawk's 7 points of head armor and 3 structure, decapitating it.

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>>97530264
The Thunderbolt pilot had also decided to head for the top, but the Kuritan Avatar pilot put a precision ammo AC20 shell straight through the Thunderbolt's cockpit.

With two of the Dragoon mechs, including their clan tech thunderbolt, decapitated in the first round where we had any real fire, we decided to call it and restart.

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>>97530267
The second game played out less dramatically and lopsidedly. The Kuritans took off the Firefly's left torso, leaving it cooking itself due to its inexplicable use of single heat sinks with a light engine, and then the Avatar hit it with a volley of inferno missiles, permanently shutting it down. The Kuritan blackjack was reduced to an armless near-wreck, the Avatar and Raptor teamed up on the Hoplite, while the Ryoken managed to nearly core the Phoenix Hawk and then intimidated the Thunderbolt into staying out of its LOS without a friend to back it up.

Dragon status: HONORED

>>97530278
that's nice, you disowned the nude posting fag yet?

>>97530305
we have a nude posting fag? ive been in this thread for a month and havent seen any nudes

What's the likelihood of CGL eventually pushing out IWM and either trimming down the catalog or making all of their stuff into plastic?

>>97530334
You can't pretend to be an ignorant newfag when you've posted your mechs over and over again, MCA.

>>97530367
Their newest stuff was already the exact same sculpts as the plastics even before the buyout. Shutting it down now would be pretty foolish though with all the designs that are in metal and not in plastic yet.

>>97530385
they'll sell remaining stock, but their current chinese manufacturer is cheaper production and their forcepack distribution model is a higher profit, they have their customer base used to that low quality at that higher price with no option for individual mechs, they will not continue producing IWM once the stock is gone, all they wanted was permanent rights to the miniatures so that when their poor choices cost them the topps license contract they can keep milking the forcepack cow, it's already clear by their inability to keep rules printed in quantity to supply he player base that they have no real interest in that.
Remember, Alpha Strike is a legally distinct game, it's how they were able to circumvent IWM having the miniature production rights in the first place, they can use that same circumvention to continue producing AS even without the topps licensing deal.

I'd like to use the new Akuma model in Late Succ War games. Which mech should it proxy/count-as? The Atlas? The Banshee?

>>97530394
They were mostly able to circumvent IWM because IWM was highly cooperative and let them have a polite fiction that their boxes full of minis and a couple of stat cards were actually selling the cards with free bonus minis. If IWM didn't want to play ball, they could have sued the absolute piss out of CGL for that.

>>97530399
which is why acquiring the rights was important, now they have a permanent hold on battletech, they think that witthout the topps license that is a stranglehold on the playerbase, coleman sees a lifetime of resurfacing his porch at our expense.
but we have 3d printing which will eventually be too far past them in sculpt options and low cost of entry, CGL needs to acquire PGI's rights to really have the foothold that they think they do, and I doubt PGI will be willing to ever sell.
But, should that ever happen you can bet your ass that CGL will immediately start C&Ding STL's and suing people for using the MWO sculpts as they tried to do before.

>>97530264
OOF. fucking TOLD. blackjack playing king asshole of fuckoff mountain

>>97530278
nah, fuck that. the first match is 'canon' stupid fucking mercs fucked around and found out. two decapitations is clear 'DELETE THIS' territory. dragon warriors very much honouring the dragon.

>>97530423
Funnily enough that Blackjack Omni (c variant tonight) has carried me through multiple campaigns. Pilot is named Heather Anderson-Ishikawa and she's the lance commander. Was briefly suicidal after her first command experience had her ordering a squad of battle armor to their deaths, which she blamed herself for before her CO explained that to command death is very much her job.

>>97530385
>Shutting it down now would be pretty foolish though with all the designs that are in metal and not in plastic yet.
it would be, but I wouldn't put it past CGL to collect foot bullets.
>>97530394
I remember seeing footage of them manufacturing the stuff from their last kickstarter and packaging it. it'd definitely be enough for them to justify cutting IWM off just for the fact metals are such a hard sell for the people getting in.

>>97530454
The thing about molds for metal is they work just as good for resin.
It doesn't matter, they've got buyers conditioned to buy 3-4 mechs they don't want to get 1 they do want, coleman isn't backing off on that, this is the guy who said he's raising prices because tariffs and also on items that aren't hit by tariffs as well just to "keep it consistent".
The guy is a proven thief, he embezzled, expect nothing but pure greed from him.

>>97530471
>who said he's raising prices because tariffs and also on items that aren't hit by tariffs as well just to "keep it consistent".
where'd he say that? i want to keep it handy to show people

>>97529832
>Yeah the life expectancy of the Inner Sphere is over 90+ years which is way better than even the wealthiest nations in the modern world.
Star League medicine for you!

>>97530476
you'd have to look on the twitter or something like that, enough anons linked it or screencapped it here when it happened, I don't personally keep up with the company firsthand as I print and lay by pre-CGL rules, so for me they're 100% parasite baggage.

>>97530418
Mechwarrior video games license is owned by Microsoft.
I find it very unlikely that MS is going to sell those to CGL.

>>97530489
tomatoe tomahtoe, I don't play the vidya I just like PGI for officially blessing people using their sculpts for free.

>>97529559
It can't really be anything other than Tukayyid, Bulldog or Serpent for a non-nothingburger DLC, can it? Serpent could also be used as an excuse for Mason to finally give up the ghost since its supposed to be a near one-way trip for the task force. The other option is to have a followup to the last DLC narrative which won't amount to much if its literally just Adam Jensen sharing more useless c-bills with you.

Clans HAS to be Malthus. Extra points if it is actually cartoon Malthus.

>>97530334
Pretty sure it hasn't even been more than a month since the last time he did.

>>97530628
It would be fun to be a Seeker and just go bumbling around looking for relics. I don't think they could pull off the events and actual payoff for it though. There would have to be a lot of shenanigans and weird star league stuff.

I need a 4th for capellan heavy warrior house lance of Victor, Battlemaster and Catapult, Succ War Era / standard rules. What would you take?

>>97530730
Thunderbolt

>>97529832
Unironically if you're not living in a border world or minor colony, odds are you're living a futuristic society that makes first world countries look like dystopian shit holes, and that's during the the 3025 era downward spiral. Now wonder the IS glazes the Star League so hard, that era must have been downright near utopian for the average person, not counting peripherals.

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>>97530840
This is also why the periphery remains in perpetual poverty. Unlike IRL where you had people emigrating away from European states to seek a new life in the new world, in Battletech the flow is reversed, the Inner Sphere is so utopian that there's no reason for people to ever leave and thus the periphery states are enduring constant brain drain and low population.

Like, to be frank, as a setting Battletech shares a lot with Lancer, especially in regards to how optimistic the setting is and how utopian it is.

>>97530855
Star League caches and random miracle tech does allow for really weird scenarios in the Periphery. It's never the norm, but you could have some old Star Trek esque shenanigans out in the Periphery.

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>>97530863
True enough. This also handily explains why there's so little interest in the setting for any form of republicanism. The people in the Inner Sphere aren't living in dystopian dictatorships, they're living in Tolkien-esque monarchies, Gondor and Rohan and other fine and noble realms ruled by just and wise kings. Battletech is a very romantic and noblebright setting and the people inside of it can feel that romanticism and joy in their daily lives.

>>97529716
No one has any other ideas for these? Darn.

>>97530471
>The guy is a proven thief, he embezzled, expect nothing but pure greed from him.
Based. I'd vote for him if he ever ran for public office.

>>97530908
I skimmed through literally every BA in battletech and they don't look even remotely like a single one of them. Don't look like any protomechs either.
I'd just make a custom out of them honestly.

>>97530931
Dang, if only there was a ball BA that didn't have a mini yet. Then again, this guy does have some pretty good stand-ins for Smoothdavids. The Smoothdavid III even made it to the merc RATs a bit ago.

>>97530931
Actually, do you think it could work as a knockoff Ravager if I can find some missiles to tack on?

>>97530394
Look at this retard. They can keep producing a game they don't own the IP too. How about no dum dum.

>>97531031
You'd be better off trying to sell it as a warg but that would still require some lethal alcohol poisoning to see a resemblance.

>>97530888
>>97530863
I'd say the overall bad vibes of the Periphery gets broken as you go further out in the Deep Periphery. Plus it does seem like even the regular Periphery states finally break out of the perpetual poverty to slowly improve as states. Except the Taurians for a while because they went ape shit and split apart, but even that looks like it's being reversed in the ilClan Era.

>>97531102
Tbf outside of the clans the deep periphery consists of states so primitive and backwards that modern Earth wouldn't be out of place amongst them.

>>97531102
All of nueva castile had one rickety jumpship, mostly ICE vehicles and didn't even know what a battlemech was before they were attacked by pseudoclanners.

>>97530863
Why did the Star League left caches in bumbfuck nowhere in the Periphery?

>>97531128
Most reasonable explanation would be various research labs and just-in-case emergency storage

>>97531128
Star League Caches are like heavy metal deposits they are seeded throughout the galaxy in in very predictable places.

>>97531128
>How the fuck do we keep finding this NATO equipment on pacific islands, that's no where near where the US was.

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>>97531066
I found something else that could be a Warg, still no Ravagers.

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>>97525439
How come there is no LRM Naga variant?

>>97530334
Unfortunately yes, and it is fugly to boot. It justifies its presence here because it played a game at a con against 2 other members once, and apparently that's casus belli to let it post its disgusting flabby body here. Or just shit the thread up in general and try to start /leftypol/ shit.

>>97531149
The Arrow IVs are fixed equipment, not pod-mounted.

>>97531149
Naga II B if you really must, or you could use one of the many, many, many other clan LRM boats.

>>97531168
So what? Just pull them off. Mech refit rules exist.

>>97531158
>try to start /leftypol/ shit.
ie, existing while not being a literal Nazi

>>97531215
That would let the omni smoke out, requiring the highest possible time to fix in the best facilities possible.

>>97531114
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Reconquista_(BattleMech)

>we built this new mech that does the same thing as the old one!
>same everything?
>same everything!
>moves the same, jumps the same, same weapons even!
>then why shouldn't I use the old one?
...

>>97530264

I once saw a Firestarter C Omni roundhouse kick the head off an undamaged Valkyrie in Megamek.

>>97531227
Yeah, that was after they were attacked by aforementioned pseudoclanners.

>>97531215
>Mech refit rules exist
They do, and under those rules trying to refit Omnimechs beyond just changing out pods is complete cancer.
If you really want an Assault LRM boat, just stick Clan LRMs on a Longbow.

My megamek install is asking for a gif summary every single turn rather than the end of the game, what's the fix to that?

>>97531248
Which by 3025 was almost two centuries ago.

>>97531249
I honestly don't know why clan tech is STILL ahead of IS stuff. They had enough time to catch up.

>>97531253
And until clanners show up, deep periphery nobodies do nothing and have nothing.

>>97531248
>production year: 2885
>after they where attacked by clanners

>>97531254
A consequence of having a history they insist on advancing and tying it to a tabletop wargame.
There is no reason to use IS tech if you can make clantech. Clantech is by no quantifiable metric significantly more expensive or difficult to produce, and it's not even difficult to invent, the clans creating it from star league tech in 20 years at their worst.
The writers either struggle to write some incredibly lazy, unreasonable justifications or avoid the subject entirely to preserve the variety provided by the dichotomy of IS states overwhelmingly using IS tech and clan states overwhelmingly using clantech.

>>97531266
Anon do you know what happened before they invented their battlemech?

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>>97531252
In Client Settings under Minimap tab.

>>97531254
There is Retard juice in inner sphere water. It turns the fricken mercs gay.

>>97531158
There's so many trannies setting up polycules and degenerate shit in Battletech we need a name for them. What's a good name for a group of trannies, anyway?

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>>97531300

I hate myself for actually answering you...but the best name for a group of trans people is *obviously* a, "Discord", anon.

>>97531315
Can flying ships hit/crash into the mountain?

>>97531280
That'd fix the popup but it sounds like the issue is that it's every end phase rather than the end of the game. MIght be best for the anon to go report it to the megamek devs

>>97531315
>the best name for a group of trans people is *obviously* a, "Discord"
sensible chuckle.gif

>>97531273
Argh, my bad, I misread what you had written. The Umayyads are a weird one, has it been confirmed they where actually fleeing proto-clanners?

>>97531338

Absolutely. And you can ram someone and deliberately displace them into a mountain, too.

>>97531357
It was confirmed a few years ago that they're descendants of one of the non-Clan factions of the Pentagon Worlds civil war, who after the Clans won, escaped by hijacking a JumpShip.

>>97531270
With the insane industrial base of the IS they honestly. Should have a fuckton more of everything and nothing should be as expensive as it is. It made some sense during the succession wars since factories were fucked, but, now, nah. No excuse.

>>97531387
There's no real winning desu. If you reflect the technological advancements by making late era mechs objectively better under a seperate techbase or timeline ruling, the boomer introtech hardeliners will throw a bitch fit, but the current model of gimmicky sidegrades that are barely used in new mechs anyway doesn't make anyone happy.
They really should just bite the bullet, make a seperate techbase that's just objectively better than the old IS and Clan base, have campaign based mechanical rules that reflect that, like having mechs from older eras do reduced damage and take extra damage against new mechs, and go from there with new unified techbase. Yeah the hardliners will still bitch but they weren't playing anything later than Clan Invasion anyway.

So Phelan's Clan version Wolfhound was not C refit on the original IS one but IIC rebuilt from scratch?

>>97531403
I think it was based on his Wolfhound but rebuild much more than the typical C refit (which are just IS mechs with Clan weapons and hopefully DHS installed in place of the original), hence it being considered a Wolfhound IIC. It's kind of a "mech of Theseus" thing, with whether you can really consider it a rebuild of the original when practically every component got replaced with Clan tech.

>>97531398
That's the thing, theyre already bitching about ilclan. Im bitching about ilclan. But Im mad at the shit state of the setting and not the tech base. I appreciate not wanting to hurt mini sales by having them locked out but it negates producing new mechs when you can just refit the shadow hawk again every time.

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Official CGL store only ships from th US and I'm not gonna be buying enough stuff at once to make up the shipping cost to europe anyway so here's the code from my AGOAC box.

>>97531387
Isn’t it possible the IS just doesn’t produce that many mechs because they’re largely peaceful?

>>97529994
Go with the Adder, there are much cheaper variants than the Prime that are very effective. Configs A through E are all comparable with Cougar Prime prices and the extra armor and movement make it a good chunk more durable.

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>>97531566
Good hearted anon

>>97531655
You know who we're talking about, right?

>>97531773
The Inner Sphere? A place that offloads much of the conflict resolution to mercenaries and which has a life expectancy far better than anything we see IRL (meaning very few people are actually dying early due to violence)

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Other than the Force and Combat Manual (Kurita, Davion and Mercenaries), anyone knows of a book source for the Alpha Strike PV of mechs? Only book sources, not MUL or other online site.

>>97531974
It's shown on the AS cards isn't it?

>>97532014
I think, but those are modified by the pilot´s skill.

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>>97521486
>Originally battletech definitely wasn't very liberal in its sensitivities
Its treatment of roads and its over-reliance on monarchism mark it as a libertarian setting, yes.

And Lancer is the best Superhero Skirmisher game currently available, there's no point in slandering it.

>>97531403
Basically the Khan of Clan Wolf spared no expense in upgrading Phelan's Wolfhound to Clantech standards. It's practically a different mech from the complete rebuild, but ultimately does count as a refit rather than a seperate mech.
This also tells us that you can in fact replace the structure of a mech, it's just really extensive work and probably really expensive.

>>97532163
It's not a wolfhound anymore though, it's a Theseus Mech, which is like a Frankenmech but nicer.

>>97531845
They only let mercs do most of the work for political reasons and you know it.

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>>97531300
Troons works for me.
>>97530471
I miss when you could buy just a single mech and not have to be subject to the gambling addict/random draw aspect of blind boxes. None of the stores around me even seep IWM miniatures anymore.

>>97532326
Regardless of why there’s still the matter that they’re peaceful enough that they can have a life expectancy 7 years greater than even Luxembourg IRL, that little wealthy city-state that basically exclusively has rich people. We’re talking about a vast region of space that’s so safe and prosperous that it makes wealthy gated communities IRL look like ghetto slums in comparison.

That’s pretty fucking peaceful. They basically solved crime and poverty and sickness.

>>97532041
It’s presented as a skill of 4 by default. I’m not sure there’s a mandatory 3 skill for clanners.

>>97521498
>>97521595
You can have both in BT. The Monarch doesn't care how the sushi rolls are filled.

It happend again, i was thinking about the Hauptman again. i think i would custom fit some leather for the dashboard out of deer i hunted myself.

>>97530888
I disagree that things are that good. I'd put tge governance being in line with the actual middle ages rather than pop culture middle ages, but with the addition of many conveniences.

This does however, give the lower classes a hell of a lot more happy and meaningful lives, because no one is able to establish a monopoly on anything. Comstar had the HPGs, but even that's broken up. Border worlds suck due to the wars and pirates, but that's expected.

So overall, not idyllic of noblebright, but not really grimdark either. Not even in those side regions of Grimbright or Nobledark either. It's just floating around the middle.

>>97532466
Tell that to the constantly changing borders.

>>97532978
The skirmishes for those borders involve so little death that the life expectancy is still 90 years

>>97531387
There is probably a lot more of everything, as this is a Feudal setting and we only get numbers for the retinues and forces of people at the top levels.

Battletech may not have places as split up as the Holy Roman Empire, but the HRE only covered Germany. Battletech is interstellar. There's gonna be a fuckload of random ass Nobles that only contribute a fraction of their forces to their lieges and their lieges' lieges.

>>97530334
Bottom was always an annoying faggot, but him making fun of the anon who posted about his dad dying was especially shitty.

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>>97531270
>A consequence of having a history they insist on advancing and tying it to a tabletop wargame.
Unfortunately yes, along with the Clan Invasion likely being the precursor to entire replacement rulesets like Alpha Strike; Devs want shake ups and meta changes to keep selling product, but people like the game they like.

One of the reasons I like the Continuum concept is that it allows for creating alternate settings with their own Tech Bases...

>>97531398
>They really should just bite the bullet, make a seperate techbase that's just objectively better than the old IS and Clan base
...Without going full Clicktech/Alpha Strike like so.

>>97531472
>it negates producing new mechs when you can just refit the shadow hawk again every time.
But what about a Shadow Hawk with a NEW HAT?!

>>97532466
>They basically solved crime and poverty and sickness.
They didn't, but Star League Tech is pretty great.

Considering how common the Ravager is, would there be copycats of it made in random spots in the Inner Sphere and Periphery?

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>>97533089
At minimum crime, poverty, and disease has to be insanely low in the Inner Sphere to see the kind of numbers we’re seeing. The US has a life expectancy 10 years lower than the Inner Sphere. For comparison, a country with a life expectancy 10 years lower than that of the US is Yemen, a third world shithole with high crime and terrorism in the middle of a civil war.

The Inner Sphere is so fucking peaceful that it makes the modern US look like Yemen in comparison.

>>97533221
Is this at all factoring in the sheer level of nukes used in the first two succession wars causing a rise in general radiation as well as general environmental hostility? Both of which would hinder lifespans?

And of course, people in border regions are likelier to die young pulling down the general average, alongside the dev level being kinda shit in different areas (ex. Fed Suns lacking schools in sone star systems)

>>97533309
Yes, even with all those factored in the lifespan is STILL 10 years above the modern USA, which means that none of that stuff is actually all that harmful since the vast majority of people are living long and peaceful lives.

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What type of battlemech forces would you expect to be present on Epstiens island? How large of a force composition? A lance or two? What about the types of mechs? Would Epstein have star league era tech gifted by comstar?

>>97533341
Epstein would have his own planet and his own merc compsny set up to protect him. Given his connections with pretty much all the global elites, this would indeed be like having a close relationship with Comstar depending on the era. That being said, we drafting a strike force to take him out?

>>97533324
>Yes, even with all those factored in the lifespan is STILL 10 years above the modern USA

Okay, but what about civilized country?

>>97533736
Monaco has the highest life expectancy in the world and is basically just a luxurious safe gated city-state for rich people and even they fall short of the Inner Sphere by 4 years.

>>97533748

Maybe it's just advances in medical science then? They've got functioning cybernetics after all, who knows what else they've got. Hell, it might even explain why none of the cast in MW5 age over 40 years of game time.

>>97533760
Maybe, but even that in itself implies that:
1) Common people in the setting are widely wealthy enough to afford cybernetics
2) There’s not much violence that would end someone’s life early before their cybernetics can give them those long lives
3) Medical technology is widespread enough that the vast majority of worlds get to benefit from said cybernetic technology

Any way you slice it, it’s a very optimistic vision of the future.

>>97533792
It's probably not widespread cybernetics (although cybernetics are widely available, they're always noted as expensive) so much as preventative medicine. It doesn't matter for our purposes so it's not mentioned super often, but a big part of the star league was improving conditions for everyone so that being in the star league felt worth the loss of sovereignty. The only diseases we ever really hear about are freakshow alien plagues and deliberately designed bioweapons that do shit like disintegrate your cell walls so you melt into a pile of goo and bones. Mundane diseases are never brought up as particularly dangerous or even common.

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>>97533815
Yeah stuff like cancer probably doesn’t even exist anymore.

What’s amusing is that, the setting is basically just a black and white morality setting. You have the Good Guys of the Inner Sphere who are themed after knights, provide great lives for their people, and rule benevolently, and they fight the Evil Guys of the Clans who treat their people like slaves and act like warmongering barbarians.

And then you have the Periphery which is just there to be the cowardly Neutrals who aren’t as benevolent or wise as the Good Inner Sphere people but aren’t Evil like the Clanners

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>>97533849
>the setting is basically just a black and white morality setting. You have the Good Guys of the Inner Sphere who are themed after knights, provide great lives for their people, and rule benevolently,

>>97533865
You can point to individual examples but at the end of the day nothing any Inner Sphere ruler has done in the setting, no matter how violent or authoritarian, has made that life expectancy go below 90, so they can’t actually be that bad seeing as to how they’re still living far better lives than even the wealthiest people on Earth

>>97533876
>genocide is fine as long as you keep it below X billion to not affect the universes average
Not even Hitler has ever been accused of such inhumanity as that encompassed in your statements implication.

>>97533712
It would have to be light, mechs shipped in parts.

>>97533910
My guy, on the galactic level what you call “genocide” is so rare and insignificant that the Inner Sphere is as safe as a wealthy gated community and that genocide amounts to like, one guy that died one time

>>97533089
Sounds more like the solution should be to make older tech have lower BV, thus keeping them viable by freeing up costs for additional things.

2/18 House Kurita Ranger forcepack
4/01 Illcian Lancers forcepack B&N
4/29 Clan Battle Star? forcepack
4/29 BFM/mapsheets Fire & Ice
4/29 Hot Spots: Draconis Reach

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It would appear that faith in the Blessed One is not, in fact, enough to save one from bad positioning after all.
I will say though, the Vindicator VND-7L is damn tough for his cost and tonnage. At least in AS. Never had any luck with this guy in Classic.

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>>97533849
>Stuff like cancer probably doesn't even exist anymore

This setting has a very good wiki that can help you not embarrass yourself like this

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>>97533221
>At minimum crime, poverty, and disease has to be insanely low in the Inner Sphere to see the kind of numbers we’re seeing.
Disease sure, but crime certainly and you'd have to look at poverty differently.

Crime clearly still exist, Piracy wouldn't be a thing without it, but I've always suspected that there is some Star League or at least Terran Alliance fuckery that made the people who left Earth much less violent...
Even the Clanners seem somehow Violence Adverse with their ritualized Warfare given strong protections to those who abide by Zellbrigen.

"Poverty" has to be looked at differently, as there can be a huge number of factors that determine overall quality of life.
Generally I think we can assume that most of the Inner Sphere is free of Food Scarcity, ignoring stupid shit like Star League Atomization creating planets like Comstock.
You might only be living off Algae Pie and sick of the shit, but you won't be malnourished.

>>97533815
>preventative medicine
So both of these factors would lead to generally comfortable living situations and eliminate the root cause of most violent crime.

>>97533849
>Yeah stuff like cancer probably doesn’t even exist anymore.
We know cancer still exist, didn't Hanse have some stupid idea to replace (False) Thomas Marik's cancer stricken son with a body double after he died in NAIS care?
Plus Cancer is just one of those things that happens in biology; Cells that are still multiplying and eating up resources, but aren't really contributing to the rest of the body.
They WOULD however, have much better Cancer Treatments, as the Star League at its Height could near abouts grow babies in TUBES!

>>97534016
You really are a monster.
A life is a life.