Gooner Edition for Gooning>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>97561556>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:What army do you expect after Sylvaneth and what do you want to see for them?
>TQSomething bald. We haven’t had a bald mini in a while. I’m almost jealous of 40k for that.
That new model reveal was the push I needed to pull the trigger. I'm going all in on trees, bitches!
>>97570245The dryads are annoying to build, but nothing really daunting. Just don’t rush it ig. Overall everything there is fun to paint.
>>97570232What even is the point of thise white bars on the sides?
Tell me /aosg/, did I fuck up the face?Also post models!
>>97570817Looks good
>>97570232
Goon thread?
Can somebody be so kind as to explain Drycha to me?How did she go from Branchwraith to Elf-ghost while all the other tree spirits got reborn normally?Is there any proper defined fluff reasoning for it or is it just a case of GW being typically sloppy?One more thing, for anyone who has her.How difficult would it be to swap out the elf-ghost body with a more Dryad-ish one like Willow Rosebark?
>>97571165All ghosts are tree ghosts, they aren't elfs.She just has no bark over her spirit tits
>>97571165Just a colour scheme change, they aren't ghosts, they're still trees.Just allowed to look a bit more magical and glowy.
>>97570242Baldness is such an American only meme. I've never heard other people complain abou it
I really don't want gitmob in the gitz book but I don't think they have enough potential for their own army and don't quite fit right anywhere else
>>97570232>tqI think it's pretty likely that after sylvaneth we'll have the cos vs eshin box, followed by the rest of the CoS wave after that. What do we have left in terms of small releases then, SoB, slaanesh, dok and seraphon?Also what the fuck are seraphon getting they're like the only faction we have 0 indication of. At least for slaanesh we know they size of the release this edition.
>>97571326So just don't field any faggot. Gitmob have been part of GSG since before you started playing
>>97571326They could have welcomed the gnoblars and scraplauncher since ogres are leaving those behind.
>>97571382They're not
>>97571387Yes, they are, check the news, gnoblars are in the Epstein files so ogres are cutting their ties with them.
>>97571393Idk about gnoblars on their own but the scraplauncher is definitely here to stay for the time being.
Either a gargant or an ogor
>>97571326They do have enough potential as long as they're allowed to take within them snotling pump wagons and piratical grotbag scuttlers in the same way night goblins are allowed to have trolls and creepy crawlies on their end.
>>97571471it's a gargant since it has four fingers. Ogors have five fingers
>>97571471Weird tat it randomly holds a fosil.I guessit could be some kind of rock throwing ranged unit?
>>97571471>>97571481Yeah I was about to say, four fingers points toward gargant.So probably part of the gargant kit then. Do we know if that's a new kit or a mega upgrade sprue like brodd?
>>97571491Gargant for Underworlds?
>>97571498What makes you say that?If they ever do a SoB underworlds "warband" I expect it to be pretty gimmicky. Like 6 of those little red trogolodytes and then like a disembodied swinging arm representing the actual gargant or something like that.
>>97571505pure speculation, it will probably be shown at Adepticon for the AoS reveal.
>>97571471Troggoth. Gargants have four fingers but human joints. The fossil in the rock is typical of Troggoths too. I'm guessing a Warcry warband or unit/hero in a new Spearhead. Maybe Skraggrot's Troggoth bodyguards
>>97571471maybe its new mancrushers?
>>97571512You think so? Idk, the proportions look a bit too normal to me. Had a look at rockguts and their fingers were a good bit spindlier. I'd certainly welcome more troggoths though.
>>97571471gargant
A gargant toddler for underworlds would be kino
which armies outside of slaanesh, skaven and helsmiths are missing a warcry band?
Looks like the leaks floating around for OBR match the preview article, so bin got ahold of the book. Uninspired rules + actually not good is like the worst outcome possible, helsmith 2.0. Fuck GW.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/krxibsmt/master-war-chariots-osseous-archers-and-eerie-assassins-with-new-ossiarch-bonereapers-units/
>>97571713Got a link to the leaks?If it's that fucking word doc and it's accurate yeah all the fun writing was spent on LRL and Tzneetch
>>97571713liege mortek already looks fun.
>>97571706Ko, idoneth, gloomspite, sons of behemat come to mind. Ironjawz if you count them as their own thing.
>>97571719whats so unfun about it?
>>97571719It's the word document, but yeah of course the shitter that wrote NH also wrote all my favorite factions. It's like they hired him to literally persuade people to not want to play the game.
>>97571713Oh God the rumors on that fucking sheet where true. Look at this >>97571717Fuck me. Mortek lost un rendable if they didn't move, crit two hits gone on almost everything, rend is mediocre on the archers, mortek are the shit SOG version literally no one took... Hopefully this means the immortis got the turn off weapon effect ability (that's good) but fuck me the rest is so meh.
>>97571736They just took the ability from the soul reaper and stuck it on him (admittedly they expanded the range, which was needed, and also added the shooting bit... I hope crawlers are insane because the archer profile is extremely 'meh')
>>97571761so its not the ability of the soul reaper, got it. crawler was sweet in the faction pack, lets hope they kept it this way.
>>97571743Bin writer's habits>Overusage of 3+ rolls that have a big payoff or do fuck nothing>Hyper restrictive requirements to do something that doesn't really have impact.>Will remove core parts of a faction without doing much to offset it, usually ends up in units points cratering or people just spamming whatever has the best statline instead of creating lists with thoughtful synergies because those synergies don't actually exist.>Way overvalues OC buffs/debuffs
>>97571771I want examples. I can judge for myself if its fun or not.
>>97571481Or a troll. The rockgut kit has a similar stone with a fossil shell embedded
>>97570817Been posted before but here’s my Yndrasta. I’m thinking of redoing the spear and sword, just been dragging on it because I haven’t had a reason to play SC in a while.
>>97571780Original IridanLord VitriolicWight King on Foot
>>97570892This fag is obsessed
>>97571771Hmmm.Well the chariots have that. 3+ to stop pile in, their potentially cool combat ability completely stops them from attacking and only does d3MW.The new reaper guys have an extremely restricted teleport that takes you from one side of a terrain piece to another but ONLY if you start outside of 6" and end outside of 9"...RDP points are extremely restricted, Katakros seems to be (again) and auto take, the perfectly functional index trait was gutted for something much worse.OBR are now the only army in the game having to pay more of a resource if a unit is reinforced (imagine if Tzneetch had to swpa one less unit if it was reinforced, or if fucking LRL runes effected either one reinforced unit or two non reinforced units)OBR is definitely 'shit writer guy' book
>>97571897Did I miss something?
>>97571780
>>97571919What are you talking about this is soulful as fu->on a 3+Oh
>>97571933It has to be overcomplicated, 3 conditions, and 2 different rolls to end up doing nothing,
some people here cant seem to handle leadership checks
>>97571995Nothing wrong with leadership tests. If everything has to roll for them sure.It's bullshit when some people roll leadership tests for every fucking ability while other just get shit no questions asked. It's a consistency thing, and when it's inconsistently applied it ends up looking like the writers have pet factions and they don't give a fuck about the rest of them
>>97571980>roll a 3+ to see if your ability works, which requires you to roll 4+'s to activate. Now that's just lame
>>97571916This faggot has been going around, taking images from threads, and throwing them through some AI slop machine that makes the woman dress 'more modestly.' it's extremely cringe morale fagging on fucking 4 chan of all places.
>>97571813Jesus did you put contrast white over metallics or something.The effect is... Unsettling
>>97571526
>>97572016Luv me troggoths, but the arm seems to have some cloth or whatever which makes me think it's more garganty
>>97572016counterpoints: giants can also have 4 fingerstrolls have weirder proportionstrolls have darker skin tones
>>97572047>trolls have darker skin tones
>>97572047Maybe a sloggoth then?
>>97572032Troggoths all have loincloths and sacks, wouldn't surprise me if a new type had some more like a grot dressed them up a little
>>97572047>>97572056>>97572057The fossil is also something that usually appears in trogoths
>>97571517I was gonna say, the proportions of the hand and the wrist wrappings reminds me a lot of the current Mancrusher kit. Of course, we have no rumors of SoB getting new crushers, but who knows.
>>97572056now that's too pale and still way weirder in terms of proportions
>>97572072Those miniatures don't have fossils because they're trolls, they have fossils because they have rocks to add details toMake a gargant with a rock you want details onto, and it'll have a fossil
>>97572067Could be of course, but all exisiting troggoth wraps and whatnot are quite primitive. The cloth in the RE looks likr actual clothing. Could be a troggoth of course (and I'd be very happy) but I'm leaning towards gargant.Now if it was a troggoth, what do you guys think it'll be? Return of the sourbreaths? Chaos troggoths? CoS troggoths ?
>>97572097Would be funny to see Trogs in order outside of ror.
>>97571109I wonder what ever happened to that anon that was gonna commission some elaborate lizardmen sex cult thing. I feel like he was here for a thread then fell off the face of the earth. DIDN'T EVEN HIT UP THE ARTISTS I RECCOMENDED. >>97572082Could be some weird cities of sigmar giant? Otherwise I'd wanna say ghouls but the weird scrotum hand makes me want to say SoB since not many other factions have the same weirdly wrinkly detailed skin. Could be the lady giant with the single sharper nail?
>>97572190>DIDN'T EVEN HIT UP THE ARTISTS I RECCOMENDED.Did you recommend yourself or a friend of yours to get the money?
>>97572198I do this for the love of the game, no monetary rewards necessary. I recommended one of my favorite go to artists.
>>97572215Let me guess, you're the morathi poster?
>>97572233God no, that fucker uses AI slop.
Instead of complaining about DoT and LRL, we should instead for every book to be like these.
>>97571755I think the chariots and sneaky guys look like fine tech pieces. Being able to move do 3d3 mortals then charge do 3d3 mortals is good, and being able to teleport and do mortals then leave combat is also good. It ultimately comes down to unit cost but both abilities look useful to me.The archers can go to 2+/3+ -1 1 but I think there's a bit too much buff setting up for that to really pay off.
Hey guys am I correct in assuming aos has their hero creator thing worked into the battletomes (anvil of apotheosis)?In that note, would anyone be so kind as to share the 4th edition gloomspite one?Thanks a bunch
>>97572268I'm probably in the minority here but while the chariots are cool I was hoping for some weirder stuff for OBR though I think the faction is sticking to more grounded stuff unfortunately. I was hoping for more weird bone monstrosities and maybe a new Arkhan where he's just really big for no particular reason.
>>97572315https://gofile.io/d/faN9Z3page 108-115
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>>97572268You realize you can't buff the wound roll for the archers right. The RDP ability is melee only.
For anyone wondering, here is the leaked stuff for OBR.Could be fake, could be real; but if it's real then it's horrendous.
>>97572089That's logically true but it ignores that the sculptors tend to add these details specifically to certain model lines. De jure, any model could stand next to some seeding grass, but de facto if you see seeding grass on a base it's going to be Lumineth most likely. Of course, there are outliers, like the Harbinger of Decay randomly having very GSG-looking mushrooms on his base, so it's not a hard rule.
>>97572454Depending on how the harvester works and if it's still token based instead of "this many units are dead, make a roll" once per round or whatever it could be good. If it's token based it's once again fucking shit.Terrain piece change sounds fine, having it be effectively a back end blocker seems nice especially for catapults so you can just hold the backline better.Nerf on horses makes sense since literally that was all I saw people spamming if they weren't doing the Nagash Morghast thing.But I don't have my OBR anymore so I got no skin in the game. (heh)
>>97572447He's talking about the SoG hekatos battle formation. It will work for them but I dunno if 40 2/3 shots @ rend 1 is like enough to make them a threat vs just running crawlers (ends up being about 15 damage on average to a 4up, 8 to a 2+). Kinda weird they didn't give them nadarite arrows considering comparable archers usually have a special weapon ability.The foot dude's ability is cute but I mean once a player is aware of it it means they either kill him first or just blitz the archers. Reactive abilities are rarely super useful against decent players.>>97572454Hard to say because we don't know if the things he isn't mentioning are unchanged, gone, or he's not saying everything. At this point I assume katakros aura is gone, the rest is kinda up in the air but doesn't seem likely we'll keep retreat and charge.
>>97572371Kind of odd that you can't take normal squigs as mounts, nor a chariot, but you can take the squatted giant spider.
>>97572454Your bones are always wet
>>97572454losing nadirite weapons would be so cringe.dont mind much of the other stuff.
>>97572454So AoS is still actually going in the direction of shit and Tzeentch was an outlier I guess.
>>97572454the terrain change would actually be based
Soon...
>>97572720nothing new, there's a decent writer and an absolute shit one. The dude that wrote the NH book is going to keep writing books and 5e rules. You probably have somewhere between 25-50% chance your factions tome will be like this.
>>97572454many things on this look better than the faction pack. dont understand the whining.
>>97571471Trog. People are righr about shels being trogslop indicator
>>97572844It's probably something to do with the entire army losing a save, a good portion losing exploding 6's/5's (imagine if your army got hit with -1 hit) and one of their staple good units from the index is losing half their damage on the charge. Ontop of that you'll likely still have a special hero tax in taking Katakros because of the way rdp works.The archers are ok but not really opening up anything that wasn't already provided by the crawler. They'll have to price it pretty aggressively to compete with crawler strike last. An oc debuff and stopping regen is situationally ok.Worst of all I don't think the rules are super interesting or change how I play the army. It's still going to be spam whatever is the most efficient because there's not much great synergies going on, but that's not unique to OBR.
>>97572720Like >>97572794 said you gotta get lucky. When fec and nh were releases together one was pretty fun, the other was all the same jumping through hoops 3+ bullshit we'd seen for the rest of the edition. If your army gets the fec writer you're good, if you get the nh one you're fucked.
>>97572794>>97572975I guess, but that still makes 25-50% of the armies you face unfun to play against mechanically.
>>97573031Don't get me wrong, it really really sucks if you get the bin writer. No offense to the guy but he needs some lessons in rules writing because the way he currently does things is just fundamentally not fun.
>>97572925so its a personal matter.I always play chadakros and barely any deathriders.dont see anything about losing a save.losing nadirite weapons is cringe, I agree.How can you judge any synergies with this little information?
>>97572914I mean obviously? Troggoths find fossils in caves, where would a surface dwelling Gargant get one?
>>97571326Swap the riders and they would have been perfect for Kruelboyz edgy greenskin vibe. They dont fit at all with gloomspites goofy stuff
>>97573086You don't need to dig much to find fossils sometimes, anon.
>>97573086Anon do you think fossils are only found in caves or something?
>>97573054The ability that gives +1 save has a different effect under the same name (it's the fight twice now), and they didn't mention the +1 save as part of his abilities.I can judge the synergies because the guy that wrote the book has written plenty of other books and he doesn't really do "secret sauce".The army will probably be discounted in points compared to even now and do ok in matched play or lean heavily into one unit.
>>97572244How dare you
How do i spice this up a bit, i think the colours are a bit boring right now
>>97573171The eyes? I don’t think that lighting glow will do it though. Or at least I personally wouldn’t do that. Maybe blood coming out of one eye? Also add some more color to the axe.
>>97573171white-silver edge highlights very very very very thinned down blue tint to apply in the armour recesses and lower halves of the plates blue glowing eyes and runes and gems
>>97573171Good model anon!Maybe some more color on the axe like some blue or yellow lightning?
>>97573132you mean katakros` aura. that was already crap in the faction pack, compared to 3e. the word notes itself already show more synergies than the faction pack ever had with zandtos buffing death rider and the liege kavalos on chariot buffing chariots.
>>97573143I commission my hard earned smut from artists, I ain't about that AI slop.
Lmao the one shitposter who’s been shitting up /wfg/, /aosg/ and /wip/ for the last couple days revealed himself to be a manlet today while trying to brag about his skinny fat physique.
>>97573237I don’t get why people feel the need to shit up threads. It’s loser behavior. Especially wip. Wip should be neutral ground at the very least, people have no shame. I blame the dopamine thrills that the internet provides.
>>97573251This guy is just a hateful troll. There’s no humor in his shitposts like you see with others. This is the poster who responds to anyone who model or game posts telling them their stuff looks like shit. Constantly bringing up niggers and trannies to generally sully the atmosphere etc. He’s genuinely a hateful person, so it’s funny to learn that he’s a deluded skinny fat manlet who thought posting that photo of himself wouldn’t get him laughed at.
>>97573237Is it another Selenium poster?
>>97573281Selenium poster? I don’t follow, I’m talking about perryfag
>>97573171paint the weapon haft yellow like the shieldpaint the gems on the weapons (axe and sheathed sword) yellow
>>97570817Face looks good, eyes need more mascara though.
>>97573307I was asking if his “reveal” was a fuckup like the shitposter that posted his selenium supplement bottle on accident.
>>97573307Since when has the perryposter shitpostes here? Are you confusing him with the goteslopper?
>TOW gets more beastmen
>>97573281Selenium guy killed himself few years ago
>>97570232My LGS have stopped supporting AoS. Its fucking over isnt it?
>>97571173>>97571196Thank you, that goes some way to clearing things up.
>>97573502Are they still supporting other GW games like HH, MESBG Necromunda or TOW?
>>97573472Nice to know that they're the furfaggot game, leaving AOS for vril-driven 4chan-using White men.
>>97573513No it went out of business
>>97573472I genuinely dont care whatever comes out of cathay.
>>9757351340k, killteam and ToW only for now. No Necromunda, underworlds etc. I live in pretty rural England and almost everyone at our store is like 30+ so they all gravitated to ToW when it came back of course.
>>97573552Noone did. They got wave 2 and nobody even noticed
>>97573556Unironically move to the US if you want to play AoS. Europe is reverting to Fantasy.
>>97573387That's a good shout, ty
>>97573472Honestly would’ve loved a race like this for AoS.
>>97573609Beasts had linheaded apirit callers. But that was consistantly Chaos
>>97573620They also had Jackal headed gors in Godeater’s Son. I think I remember some Shark Beastmen mentioned elsewhere, too. Shame how dirty GW did them.
>>97573632Well now you can get... NOTHING because even Tzaangors are just regular goats in blue rags in towland!
>>97573699Nah beastmen are extremely diverse in TOW. Not at all being limited to the goatmen portrayed. Dogmen, spidermen, catmen etc all exist in the lore. Not so much as their own distinct species or races, but as aberrant themes of Chaotic mutation.
>>97571268AMERICAN SOCIETY IS VERY SUPERFICIAL RIGHT DOWN TO THE AGE YOU ENTER ON YOUR DATING APP.
Does AoSg have its own version of Decalfag?
>>97573773A wrongly persecuted innocent? Who's crime is that he's overly eager to share pictures of his models? Nah.
>>97572072>>97572016>>97571471>>97572082It's probably going to be the Mancrusher refresh.
>>97573773Blightkingfag (or Cloneslopper as some random tard calls him) or Kurnothianon.
>>97572742>treemenThere is no reason why kurnothi aren't just a subfaction of sylvaneth.
>>97573784Cease, mutant.
>>97573802You are demented and obsessed.
>>97573699>>97573745shut your fucking mouth, Tzaangors are the dominant race of beastmen in the world.
>>97573773The only person whose models I care about was KISS anons, I genuinely do not have it within me to give a shit about something, never-mind someone trashy to occupy my brain space in my finite lifespan. Although with all that being said the guy who painted his kruel boyz purple left an impression on me.
>>97573793So are mancrushers gonna be the lady gargant or is the lady gargant gonna be like a mancrusher hero...?
>>97573822I honestly hope mancrushers are just toddlers.
>>97573822If Mancrushers they will be remade as a unit of 3, so probably 1/3 female
>>97573822matriarch implies something big
>>97573818I really liked the extended limb ogors, though I might wind up having to sell my ogors to save myself from tax fuckery. Admittedly I got some ghouls I need to finish anyways, I wanna get another army completely painted up this year.>>97573143wait which morathi anon are you, there's like 3 of this fucking point.
>>97573773nope, your shit general is the only one this obsessed with namefaggotry
>>97573472I hate these things. Cathay as a whole and the furryshit they have as add-ons (monkey men, tiger men, etc) are way too clean for Warhammer. There is nothing grimdark or twisted about them. At least all of the other furries have a negative aspect to them. >Lizardmen are essentially cloned slaves that have no real will of their own and are bound to their Overlords, destined to fight a loosing battle for the rest of time. >Beastmen are creatures twisted by the powers of chaos to devolve into their most basic insticts, and have only a need to destroy and defile whatever they come across>Skaven are skaven
>>97573773We don't endorse e-celeb bullshit here.
>>97573843>wait which morathi anon are you, there's like 3 of this fucking point.Not the anon, but thank you for calling us out. I sincerily hope the new wave for DoK won't just be more copies of the Kerthusa UW warband. They looked awful and have no place among the lines of the true protagonist of AOS
>>97573472im so glad TOW is officially confirmed to be for chinks and furfags
>>97573851They don't seem to be pure good from the writeup. The implication seems to be that they were once enslaved by Chaos, and they were liberated by their god figure who's name now escapes me. That ties into them being extremely religious and devoted to their god, as they believe without his protection and patronage they would slip back into the shackles of chaos.It's interesting that they are added as mercs to Cathay too. Because we know Cathay is uniquely an irreligious state. With the dragons forbidding the worship of any gods. So them existing as mercenaries in Zhao Ming lands is an exception made either by the Cathayan state, or more likely, the Emperor overlooking Zhao Ming breaking the rules (as he is known to do experimenting with warpstone/drugs). It'll be interesting to see if they keep them limited as mercs in Zhao's lands or if there is some kind of religious tolerance decree that would allow them to worship their god anywhere in Cathay.
Calling it now. The vargheist kit gets replaced with a dual kit that can make werewolves for vyrkos and some actual half bats for the fucked up bloodline for Lauka vai. As for fec they probably keep the kit. Idk.
>>97573879I’m not reading that, I’m happy for you, or I’m sorry that happened.
>>97573870Respectable comm work bossman. But I didn't much care for those ones, I think Kerthusa as a relatively independent character with maybe like an honor guard or couple of heroes would be the best path forward, dunno how I'd feel about a whole range of that. I should pick her up at some point, nice feet AND a no face to worry about painting.>>97573880I wouldn't mind that, more of the niche clans is always fun.
>>97573886Well then don't? It's meant to provide lore context to the guy who seems confused. You don't have to be rude.
>>97573870Anon please, new DoK support is gonna be replacing the witch elves with a new, pricier kit where they all wear pants because God forbid the army based on this woman be sexy.
>>97573851>>Lizardmen are essentially cloned slaves that have no real will of their own and are bound to their Overlords, destined to fight a loosing battle for the rest of time.This is wrong
>>97573851Your writeups for Lizardmen and Beastmen are wrong thobeit.
>>97573880GW is not going to another dual kit of that kind
>>97573851>>Lizardmen are essentially cloned slaves that have no real will of their own and are bound to their Overlords, destined to fight a loosing battle for the rest of time.ToWddler shit stirrer who has never read the lore spotted!
>>97573851>etcwhat etc?
>>97573914
Returning after a couple of years Can someone give me a rundown as to why the HoH battletome/Army was so bad?Models and theme seem OK
>>97573879>The implication seems to be that they were once enslaved by ChaosAs every single race has been at some point. The point I'm trying to make is that both Cathay and the furry-bait don't belong in the world of Warhammer, as they have no real Grimdarkness to them, which is the essential ingredient in any Warhammer product. Cathay is doing perfectly fine by itself and suffers no internal or future problems, as their leadership is the wisest and most noble, and know exactly what to do to prevent any form of chaos or external threat from affecting them. At most they have a raid on their Bestest Wall every once in a while which they repel because its the bestest. Such an obvious shilling for the chinese market, it's like when Hollywood starting glazing the chinese in every single action movie. They only do it for the money, not becuase it adds anything to the setting or the IP. >>97573876I agree
>>97573851They hated him because he told them the truth.
>>97573888If only the warband had been well designed, I would be more optimistic on the future of DoK. >>97573892>New DoK support is just an upgrade sprue to add pants to all your witch elves
>>97573928If you read even the first Cathay AJ, you'd know this isn't the case. There's literally a story in there about the arrogance of one of the Dragon children leading an expedition north to take the fight to Chaos. Only to be driven into insane delusional hallucinations that caused the Dragon to believe she was attacking Daemons all while she was slaughtering her own men.Then as her and the remnants retreat back to the wall, they themselves appear as daemonic legions to the defenders of the bastion, who under Miao rush out and slaughter the returning army. Including Miao slaughtering her sister. The central theme being how pride undid the Dragons that day and how their pride is used against them by Chaos.
>>97573851>There is nothing grimdark or twisted about themTigermen have been written better than the rest of cathay with but one article>offshoot of the indish ones: possible conflict with their homeland>past as servants of chaos: open to guilt, fear and tensions over the cover up >refugees under the iron dragon:even more conflict with the rest of cathay which will be prejudiced against them, also because they worship gods and practice magic, both things outlawed in cathay>reoccurring white tiger is fated to face the various everchosen:which leaves them to inevitable bad ends as they're not relevant enough to actually be the ones who kill said everchosen
>>97573773We had an extremely notorious fakegrog shitposter years ago, responsible for e.g. all the shaerkposting in the catalogue. Anyway, he pissed off another shitposter so much he doxxed him. That guy then went on to haunt /40kg/ apparently. If you ever see some dude accusing someone else of being "ben" there it's probably him.Ironically ben ended up actually painting some aos stuff in the end if I remember correctly.But no we don't really have a resident thread schizo like your space wolf guy. We've got a few fakegrogs that try to shitstir every once in a while, like the goteslopper or the flopposter, but things are usually pretty chill. Especially compared to 40kg.
>>97573947>>97573957Not him but
>>97573928>>97573947They also cannon mention that the Dragons brainwash their own people to make them forget things or believe things that aren't true. It's not at all a squeaky clean state.
>>97573928Truly but you have to consider 8th edition and the end times which obviously weren't as excessive nor detached from their setting upheavals with storm of magic, end times, etc. I think Cathay would slot into an 8th edition WHF but it's silly to act like they fit a prequel
>>97573928The cathay material is terribly written and reads like propaganda pieces, but in-between the bold faced lies there is stuff that depicts an actual multifaceted faction with its share of cracks, as it's proper for warhammer
>>97573928>as they have no real Grimdarkness to them, which is the essential ingredient in any Warhammer productWarhammer fantasy was always dark, but it was never really grimdark. Well, 6th edition tried to be I guess, but I've heard that they reversed most of that with for example bretonnians, though that's secondhand information.As for cathay meh they're alright. Someone once talked about how their dragon emperor wants to make the world cold again since that's ideal dragon temperature, even though it'd kill most of the human population. I think that's pretty cool and I'll believe it even though I'm like 90% sure that was just some dude's headcanon.>>97573892Witch elves seem fine to me honestly, and there's older sculpts they can bring back for tow if that's an issue. The range needs reinforcement anyway, replacing one of their existing kits seems kind of retarded. Every dok player has witch elves anyway, who'd need to buy more at this point?
>>97573962Ben and shaerkposter are two different idiots. The Shaerkposter was confirmed to be a rogue Polish janny. Ben was just Ben and was posting here long time after he was doxxed.
>>97574039>The Shaerkposter was confirmed to be a rogue Polish janny.I've seen this claimed a couple of times but is there any evidence of this? I want it to be true because it sounds hilarious.
>>97574056You have a whole thread on /qa/ archived from the time shit hit the fan and multiple Anons from /tg/ got banned just for reporting the shaerk threads. When 4chan got taken down by the nuke PDF last year and all the info on jannies and mods got public it was confirmed that mods were covering up for that schizo Polish dude. Let me remind you that people were getting banned within minutes for responding "kurwa pierogi Boniek" to shaerkposts.
>>97573927The army lacks an aggresive plan, so if the opponents hides is hard for this army win the gamesthats why the bull centaurs are so good
>>97574066I’ve heard this schizo conspiracy before, but the version I heard had anons claiming the Polish government was involved trying to defame AoS. People are demented.
Sharkpsting was Ben, janitor was years later and he jsut messed with warhammer generals
>>97574016Considering GW turned CoS into generic fantasy slop instead of developing their existing high fantasy Italian city-state themes, I dread to see what they'll do.
>>97574160Anon, that was people making fun of the guy that claimed some polish janny was behind everything. Not an actual position held by people.As for the original claim, eh, I'm skeptical but I could see it happening. /tg/ does attract a certain kind of autism and it's not hard to imagine someone powertripping over his favourite toys being replaced.
>>97574196>their existing high fantasy Italian city-state themesthat's dogs of war in fantasycos was never that
>>97574160Imagine trying to gaslight and ridicule people that actually were here when it happened.
I'm gonna order my WH+ model. Are there any generally useful contrast paints I should get while I'm ordering? Or paints that are good for specific things that are good to have? I mostly do Soulblight right now, but also do some Seraphon. I have Black Templar and Skeleton Horde right now. Magmadroth looks useful if only because I have fuck all for good orange paints, but I'd probably be better off getting a regular paint that's just better than Jokaero Orange.
>>97574215I prefer vallejo xpress color over citadel slop and I recommend it in general.
>DoT tome already scannedYay!>in FrenchShite.
>>97574279¡Hon hon!
>>97574279Lmao. I just wanna read the lore. Curious if they got any new art.
>>97574160If anyone was going to do it it'd be Poland. It's the level of gayops they've got the resources for and a matter which they take very seriously.
>>97574308Nothing will change for the better until Poland removes AoSphobic material from their school textbooks. Change happens from the youth.
>>97574317Poland, India, and CanadaThe anti-AoS entente
>>97574340wtf you listed India twice
>>97574202In a way, that's what CoS used to be with all the units you could get access to from your city, like stormcast, sylvaneth, I think one got lizardmen too. It was nice, lots of options with which to fluff and convert.Now they just look like the guards of traitor's toll box.
>>97574371Tolls at least looks high fantasy.
I honestly wouldn't care if AoS existed if they stopped apeing Fantasy characters. Like you can have clown Nagash whatever, but taking Gortrek. I can't just let that slide.
>>975743715th edition CoS tome will bring back coalition units, trust the plan.(They can't do it in 4th yet because they want you to buy all the shiny new toys first)
>>97574436well good thing nobody here gives a single fuck about your opinion
>>97574443They will return in 6th because first High Elves/Dark Elves/Dwarfs have to be refreshed in TOW so that AoS CoS can get the old current sculpts for CoS 6th.
>>97574443The elite unit and the gargant are the only thing described that can mildly interest me in the new range.
>>97574459This might actually happen for dryads and Sylvaneth if that tomb king wood elf box is real. Which will be so funny.
>>97574443>(They can't do it in 4th yet because they want you to buy all the shiny new toys first)then what makes you think they'll change their mind in 5th?
>>97574279Not the 1st time
>>97574460The battlemages kit sounds cool, as do the bardiche gun dudes.What annoys me though is erasmus zonn on his chimera being a named character only, apparantly without a generic version. Just slap another head and weapon in the kit gw! You did the same with tahlia and she already HAS 4 different weapons!
>>9757451980% of a kit's sales comes from the release period. By the time 5th rolls around opening up coalitions again:1) tempts CoS players into buying non-CoS minis2) tempts non-CoS players with eligible coalition armies into buying CoS, since they already have half a list ready
>>97574589>80% of a kit's sales comes from the release periodOh man that does not bode well for the Helsmiths of Hashut then.
>>97574657I know this is a shitpost but didn't their army set sell out like immediately on the gw webstore? I remember them doing a rerun like a week later.
>>97574657yeah, after all people liked the idea of helsmiths of hashut more than the minis themselves
>>97574686Their range is still 2/3s out of stock
Does this dude have an alternate head in the kit?
>>97574702So is half the MESBG range. Doesn’t mean shit for popularity as GW prints different quantities. Third party availability is the best metric and by that HoH flopped because >>97574693
Don't interact with rajesh any further, he won't listen to reason.>>97574712I count 8 heads on the sprue, it looks like they're all decently interchangeable no?
>>97574728>mesbgwait hold on, no fucking way the shitty orange-blue dwarves spammer is also the flopposter lmao
>>97574746That guy was apparently revealed to be the goteslopper according to 40kg funnily enough. It wouldn't surprise me if he was also the flopposter, but he's hardly the only person to know about mesbg.
>>97573962>>97574039I am sad I missed this tbhon :(
>>97574743>wont listen to reasonFunny coming from those who see but still refuse to believe
>>97574765>Anon is going to freak when he learns I bought two HoH army boxes on release. He must not know, learning someone bought them will shatter his bait worldview.Yep, total flop. You tell 'em anon.
>>97574777wtf are you even trying to say. Nice trips
>>97574765go shitpost in 40kg for a change, shitskin
>>97574761Don't be. There were like half a dozen shaerk threads up in the catalogue for a while. And this was back in the day when /tg/ was like 3 times as fast, it wasn't just a fire and forget kind of thing.
>>97574765>This againSuch non-white behaviour.
>>97574795If the shaerkposter did end up being a rogue janny, then it's geniunely hilarious that they might've had to cyclically ban him to cover since there were periods where no new threads would be posted for a few days before suddenly coming back.Though yeah, at its peak, the fucker was running like, 3-4 threads on the board at the same time, and he wasn't even trying to hide the fact that it was the same guy since he always used the exact same arguments in each thread.
>>97573797agreed. Dyrads and centaurs, in one book. The perfect army. GW make it happen!
>>97574820He was a real character. Every once in a while someone will post a shaerk in the catalogue again and it never fails to get a chuckle out of me. Those newer seethe threads just don't compare to the real stuff y'know.
>>97574846Funnily enough, the newer seethe threads are also painfully obviously the same person posting them every time.
>>97573851The lore of the tigermen are that they're chaos originated beastmen who broke free off chaos control. This makes sense because they live near the equator, where magic is weakest. For example, Araby (which only had armies in manowar, dreadfleet and the epic scale game) primarily uses magic by summoning spirits such as djinns who act on their behalf to cast spells. It makes sense that equatorial beastmen such as Apemen in the southlands and tigermen would be able to escape chaos. While in the north uncorrupted tribes like the Khazags saw their nature gods enslaved by daemons and the people gave their souls to the dark gods as their power was strongest near the Realm of the polar gates.
>>97573879>It's interesting that they are added as mercs to Cathay too. Because we know Cathay is uniquely an irreligious state. With the dragons forbidding the worship of any gods. So them existing as mercenaries in Zhao Ming lands is an exception made either by the Cathayan state, or more likely, the Emperor overlooking Zhao Ming breaking the rules (as he is known to do experimenting with warpstone/drugs). It'll be interesting to see if they keep them limited as mercs in Zhao's lands or if there is some kind of religious tolerance decree that would allow them to worship their god anywhere in Cathay.Creative Assemlby has said they wanted to add microfactions which only had a frew units, like the Fimir, but GW said no. So small factions like Fimir and trolls were part of the Norsca roster, while other microfactions like araby or the norse dwarfs were gradually bretonnian'd or dwarf'd. Though I question why they couldn't just add Suleiman le Saracen as a LL, since he is a lord night in the service of a bretonnian lord who is of Arabyan origin with his Arabyan knights. And the Red Duke would have been cool as a playable lord too he's literally in the game they just never made him or Todbringer playable.
>>97573957>which leaves them to inevitable bad ends as they're not relevant enough to actually be the ones who kill said everchosendesu I think the White Tiger is a reference to Battlebeast from Invincible, both being white big cat guys and both being fated to fight the BBEG of the setting and lose (well, Battlebeast did get killed by Freddie Mercury).
>>97574898>beastmen who broke free off chaos controRetarded.>This makes senseIt does not, and you're retarded for saying so.
>>97574916>It does not, and you're retarded for saying so.It does make sense, chaos and magic wane the further you are from the gates because of hte Ulthuani vortex sucking excess magic out of the world. Magic itself is unnatural in the warhammer world and mostly a result of contamination from the daemon hell dimension when the polar gates collapsed. This is why it's unknown if the Apemen of the Southlands are beastmen or not because they do not act the same way and also GW never wrote more than a few paragraphs of lore about the southlanders.
>>97574915>I think the White Tiger is a reference to Battlebeast from InvincibleIf anything it's a reference to the white tiger being the chinese cardinal beast of the west, though more likely it's just something along the lines of albino=cool like gor'rok
>>97574929>It does make senseKeep saying it, if you wish. That does not make it true.
>>97573851>WHFB is grimderp40k is when they actually started leaning into that shit, there's nothing grimderp about the generic fantasy knights, elves and dwarves. The new furries are terrible because they're furries, not because they aren't edgy. They're just unapologetically anthro tiger men and have nothing else going on. Skaven are interesting because of all their character and personality being treacherous mad scientists, not because they're gross. Lizard men aren't grim dark either, they're cool reptiloid terminators from space here to kill chaos. There's nothing sad about them because they don't really think, they're barely above animals
>>97574952Are lizardmen from space in fantasy? In aos they obviously are, but I thought they were some sort of uplifted race created by the old ones messing with life on mallus.
>>97574929You can't have beastmen if magic is that weak.There's not a single place in warhammer where chaos is that weak.They're chinastrong cocksucking, nothing else.
finally finished building the gluttons and mournfangs and leadbelchers for my spearhead and goddamn what a miserable experience that was, I don't think there was a single thing other than the glutton hands that didn't require tons of sprue goo gapfillingonly the ironblaster left now then I can base and paint them
>>97575044>>97574950the beastmen lorefully were created during the collapse of the polar gates when magical aids was much higher. The current beastmen are stable mutants who simply reproduce with each other, there is no need to magic up more of them thousands of years later. Magic being weaker the further from the poles has always been the case because chaos is literally an unnatural cancer leaking into reality.
>>97575122That bad? Assuming I don't have to sell all my ogors I was hoping the process wouldn't be too bad to recreate that ogor lengthening surgery anon.
>>97574712No, but you could probably make the others work as the necks are roughly the same.
So, fyreslayers are getting squated to make way for a new dwarf faction?
>>97575447I have no experience with truescaling them, they aren't fiddly to assemble at the very least (finding natural looking places for the different decorations and knives they come with can be tricky)but the arms all had 1-2mm gaps in spots because the molds are so worn out
>>97575609fyreslayers as an army is becoming one part of the new united dwarf armysame thing happened to ironjawz when orruk warclans came out
>>97575692So the same thing that's gonna happen to the daughters of khaine when the umbraneth come out?
You know, it's kind of crazy that age of sigmar has done as well as it has when you think about it. Warhammer fantasy fans fucking HATE it to the point of running endless troll campaigns against it40k fans are either indifferent or get swept up in aforementioned troll campaigns and shitmar postingThe IP has no good 3rd party video game or tv tie ins to bring in players, and just a ttrpg no one actually plays despite being pretty goldAnd there is basically zero content creator ecosystem for it. A once weekly show with a few hundred viewers on a good night, a couple small bat rep channels that don't usually break 10k subs, like only a single lore guy Yet still the game remains one of the best selling miniature lines on earth, gets consistent event turnout, and gw constantly adds to it with new releases and a steady stream of support. It's been heartening to see that despite all the detractors over the last decade and almost no outside help whatsoever the game is still going strong. In these times of doomsaying, trolling, and edition negativity, it helps to take a step back and look and just how well the game has done, and I'm glad it stuck around
>>97576249It's fun to play and has some good models. I'm gonna be hopping back in soon to play a game or two soon. Bought my FEC tome then only used it once! >>97575685Not as bad as I heard, fingers crossed I get my financials straightened so I don't need to start selling off shit.
>>97575447Why do you have to sell your ogres anon?>>97575609They're going to share a tome with the new dwarfs, they're losing a couple units (basic berserkers and the silver tower hero iirc) but they're also gaining some, and that's on top of the non-fyreslayer stuff they're getting.Like >>97575692 said, although I think the army is supposed to be much more cohesive instead of two armies just sharing the same book like in warclans.>>97575952Presumably
>>97572009you sound angry
>>97571268i hear it everywhere
>>97573928i liked it better when it was implied that Tzeentch was semi-open about controlling the Imperial government there
>>97573472wtf are thoseI thought the tiger beastmen were a purely Ind phenomenon of evil
>>97573620they used to have some implied ones for 40,000
>>97574981fuck off
>>97574898isn't there a shit ton of different beastmen and non-related evil creatures running around Ind and Khuresh?
>>97576421The Cathay Tigermen are a cultural subgroup of the more common/diverse Tigermen of Ind, basically.
>>97574981No, they are created by the Old Ones. But they aren't all created at the same time. The Slaan are created first to help the Old Ones shape the world into a form that pleases the Old Ones. Later on the other Lizardmen species are created. The Saurus for example, created to destroy species that did not fit into The Great Plan of the Old Ones. Skinks to oversee, Kroxigor for labour. Also the Slaan were specifically created to educate the other races the Old Ones planned to create. That's how knowledge of magic and how to tap into and control the winds of magic was spread. From the Slaan to the Elves to Humans and so forth.
>>97574952>There's nothing sad about them because they don't really think, they're barely above animalsWrong. This is a common misconception. There is even conflict between Lizardmen in Fantasy when different Slaan interpret The Great Plan/Plaques differently from one another. They are very much individuals linked together through a shared common purpose that differs to varying degrees based on the Slaan leading them.
>>97576424Why>>97576445Thanks :)
>>97576323Are they still god based?
>>97573233I want to but every time I have spare money I just buy more shares.>>97573843I'm the jacked one.>>97573870Yeah not sure where they will go with it. Hoping they keep it sexy and not go for the usual modern audience shit.
>>97576509I think the rumourmonger said they'll be based around grungni, grimnir, valaya and gazul (dorf god of death). So yeah we'll get some ancestor god worship besides just grimnir. I imagine fyreslayers will be the grimnir side of the army, and the new releases will focus on the others.This also ties into helsmith lore, which said the ancestor gods divided the 8 realms among themselves. Aside from hashut and the previously mentioned four ancestor gods the excerpt also mentioned three others; a wanderer (prolly grombrindal), a tallier of grudges (maybe a deified thorgrim) and a "mistress of glittering caves".
>>97576547Metal, Fire, Life and Death. I'm assuming hashut gets ghur. That sound right?
>>97574981the skinks, kroxigors and saurus were shaped from local wildlife and a genocided civilisationthe slann were spawned on the world, but aren't made from anything of that world, and kroak may or may not have arrived from space with the old ones instead of being spawned on the world
>>97576649Yeah hashut wanted both fire and metal but those went to grimnir and grungni respectively, so he got saddled with ghur. Gazul is in shyish, and it's a fair assumption that valaya got ghyran given that she's associated with healing and stuff.That leaves azyr, hysh and ulgu for the other three. I'm guessing azyr for grombrindal, ulgu for the tallier of grudges (ulgu was vaguely associated with justice back in the day), and hysh for the mistress of the glittering caves, because y'know, glittering. Though I can see an argument to switch ulgu and hysh in this setup.
>>97576445WHF is pure slop because this shit is stated objectively rather than a fringe fan theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmF9C0dytS4
OBR points are out
>>97576784Well don't leave us hanging
Bonebois look dummy good with these point, mmm damn.
>>97576789as always, its on the offical website
>>97576803
>>97576806
>>97576746why did his hat shrink?
>>97576836That's the least of his weird perspective problems
>>97576811>new battleformations and artifactsthank god. they were absolute trash in the faction pack.
>>97576836More importantly, why is his far arm so tiny?
>>97576836Shyish has got to be pretty cold.
I am once again reminded that all my battletomes have been utter shit so far (NH, IJ, HoH) and I wish death upon the supposed B team which should be called shit team.
>>97576918Are there any other factions you play so I know what to avoid?
has the darkwater game been scanned in yet? If so, can any kind anon share it? (I am also looking for briar and bone if it isnt too much to ask for)
>>97577008https://gofile.io/d/aMMfFy
>>97576949Seraphon, it's my literal last hope.
>>97577045thank you anon. my collection is now up to date.
>>97577097Fuck, now you jinxed them
>>97577110slaanesh has dibs on the next dogshit book.
>New OBR spearhead>Roll a dice. One a 3+>Roll a dice. One a 3+>Roll a dice. One a 3+>Roll a dice. One a 3+Fucking hell, I don't know if the spearhead is written by the same guy as the battletome, but if that's the case I don't think the OBR book will be good
>>97577245Why?
>>97577295Having your whole warscroll disappear 33% of the time is not good game design
>>97577303there should always be variance involved. makes games more interesting.
>>97577307how about variance in results instead of variance in presence?
>>97577295army abilities locked behind dice rolls, makes disappointment always an option
>>97577295Probably because whoever is doing that shit thinks it reduces the power level of a unit, except it actually doesn't, because most of the time you get the effect anyway. A better way to do similar things would have been to have an effect that always happens, but on a 3+ it gets better. So if you want to do impact hits, maybe make it so that if you whiff the 3+, you only get the d3 mortals, but if you pass it you get +1 to wound in the following combat or add to the number of wounds inflicted.
>>97577307its a reason its called the bad D3.
>>97577097Oh fuck me too, we're cooked.>>97577307Eh, but even then there's other ways to do variance that aren't as feels bad as "there's a 1/3 chance your ability, for which you're jumping through hoops, just won't work"Take the slaanesh example from earlier, maybe it was last thread idk. An ability that requires a 3+ to activate, but then also requires a 4+ per target model to do something. Why the fuck not just change the whole thing to a 5+ per target model or something? Yeah yeah I know it's not the same mathematically, who cares.
>>97576323>Why do you have to sell your ogres anon?Wound up with some tax fuckery and now owe more than I'd like to the feds. Kinda trying to stabilize a bit since I had planned on doing some saving this year and this fucks with that plan.And these guys I picked up pretty cheap a little bit ago, I don't want to get rid of them but they're currently sitting in boxes and relatively new so I'm not too attached... I'll leave em out and see where I wind up since I was split on if I was gonna wind up flipping them anyways but then I saw long limbed ogors and went "oh shit I could do that!"
>>97575122I was just about to post a question about whether I should pull the trigger and buy some ironguts and a stone horn as my first models for AoS because I just fucking love them and think they're cool. However, friends have advised against it and said they'll be getting new models or moved to Old World or whatever, and that they're very old. I don't care if they're old, I think they are sick, and presumably, if they get new models they'll be even more expensive than they are now. So, are Ironguts just as much of a ball ache to build as a glutton would be?
>>97577914>So, are Ironguts just as much of a ball ache to build as a glutton would be?Ironguts are literally just the glutton kit with an extra sprue thrown in. Also as somebody who already has an entire Ogre army, I would be leery of buying into them right now, going by the rumors I suspect the new ogres are going to be on much larger bases/bigger in general which is really gonna fuck with the old models.
Will we get tiger beastman now? (like in total war)
fuck off
>>97577710Damn anon how hard did you get fucked by the taxman that you're starting to consider selling your minis? Unless it's a huge collection or something you're probably looking at... 300 dollars for an average army? I wish you the best of luck ogrefriend.>>97577914Like >>97578047 said ironguts are the same kit as normal gluttons but with an extra sprue thrown in with two handed weapons and cool helmets and whatever to make them ironguts. Same general principle goes for leadbelchers. Ogres are 100% getting refreshed later in the year, either summer or autumn. From what we know from the rumours they're probably going to end up a fair bit bigger, they might go on different bases. They'll also get a slight redesign to look less mongolian, presumably more like the beastclaw raiders, kind of caveman savage esque (though with cannons and shit).If you really love the look of current ogres you might want to consider picking up a box, in case you don't like the look of tge refresh. I expect the current ogre kits to show up for tow eventually, but that could be years from now.
>>97578079I bought a Frostlord box, £32 couldn't say no. At worst it'll be a fun project to paint. And if what you guys say is true and there's different units and base sizes, I'll use this guy to start an Old World army
>>97578091Oh the frostlord is fine, that's a recent kit and is not going anywhere. It's the 2006 stuff that's going to get replaced.Enjoy your big thundertusk anon
>>97578107It could be refreshed as Blightkings were, as Skaven were. Anything WHF is suspect
Black Library website is being taken out back for a new App. You've got until august to link your accounts. https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wugetgtg/a-new-black-library-app-is-on-the-way-heres-what-you-need-to-know/
obr battletome leak when?
>>97578063noand they're not beastmen anymore
>>97578181This feels like something that was long over due, like, 6 years ago, but hey.
>>97577245> Playing spearheadYikes.
>>97578107I mean, if they are overhauling the ogre aesthetic then the frost lord is going to stick out and look like shit
>>97578193Rob has the book but he must MINE for CONTENT so it will only be leaked tomorrow.The othercucked play testers have it but won't share it
>>97578230Similar to the runners for Skaven
>>97578237Rob gets it like everyone else? He has no feedback connections or reviewer codes
>>97578079>Damn anon how hard did you get fucked by the taxmanApparently I ticked a box for my W4 form that once it's ticked even if you untick it it's locked in. So I basically didn't pay federal but paid triple state taxes, so I was still having about the same paycheck it just never occurred to me until tax time hits and I owe like 3500 fucking dollars, I got a decent state refund to assist and it's not like I can't deal with it but holy fuck it's a bit of a morale killer.And I do have a fuck ton of ogors, I'm the shmoe who found the 2 old vanguards for 60 bucks a piece, then did some trading for some more with some leftover chaos duders I got in an old lot.
>>97578135Sure, but the frostlord was specifically mentioned as not prone to be a refresh by the rumour guy, so it's safe for the time being.>>97578230He's on a fuckhuge monster that draws the attention away from the ogre to be fair
>>97578308I do wonder how much they're feasibly gonna change ogors around, since the new ogors while being more... Since other ogors are more muscley while I think of these guys as more fat with big facial hair. I hope they don't fuck with that aspect.I'm wondering how close things will be to Blackpowder since he's one of the other more recent ogors we've seen.
>>97578264>Apparently I ticked a box for my W4 form that once it's ticked even if you untick it it's locked inThat seems like a retarded system, sorry bro.
>>97578316I think it's pretty likely they look somewhat like the bloodpely hunter. Still pretty strongfat. I like the kit, as long as the head is changed in some way. Every paintjob of this guy online I've seen with a headswap or some greenstuff instantly looks 10 times better.
>>97578181Enjoy not being able to download the epubs
>>97578193Tbh I'm strapped in just to hate watch it at this point. Like from the leak that has now been shown to be true from the preview articles and spearhead scrolls, I'm waiting to see how cheap they'll make mortek guard by end of edition. Cheaper than death rattle seems like a good goalpost.
>>97578600Im excited. most of the leaks look better than the horrible faction pack.
>>97578719We are going from Indian shit to regular shit. Whoopee.
>>97578428Oh, just realized I forgot to actually attach the image:
>>97578789damn dude nice skin
>>97578789Nothing about this really says Ogre if we weren't already primed by knowing it's an ogre. GW failed pretty hard with this design (I am aware the head isn't GW but the GW one is even worse)
>>97578842Filename my friend>>97578854How so? I think he could be a bit fatter but otherwise he works fine as an ogre for me. Agree on the head though, the actual gw one is awful.
This is how ogres should be painted
>>97578913He's too skinny. Proportioned like a human. It straight up just looks like a really jacked guy and not an Ogre. Just looks like a very strong human. The older ogres show distinct non human features, you'd never convince them for big people when they have big monstrous faces.
>>97578250Rob is in tight with some playtesters, they send him the info.Playtesters aren't allowed to leak until the Thursday or so before preorder.> What about the official reviewers with NDAsPlaytesters are controlled by the Design team, the YouTubers and Battle report people by their media team, and GW internal teams don't talk to each other or coordinate unless forced too.
>>97578321His HR should have caught that or he should have a tax professional. It's his own fault
>>97578600I'm hoping 90 points. Whatever, at this point I'm just using my OBR for TOW as TK. AoS is pretty trash and we got a book by Bin Guy that forces us to take Katakros.
>>97578931it's not a bad scheme, but light skin offers a better canvas for bodypaint that isn't just white
>>97578982How fun are TK's? I have been considering starting an army of them to get into the game.
>>97578974HR didn't do shit, when I came to them after I saw the amount I owed they just sent a boiler plate response of "we do not assist with this or any tax related issues, please consult a professional." Clearly I fucked up but at no point was I ever contacted to request if I wanted that as the case afterwards.I shouldn't need to have a tax professional for this shit, it's literally never been an issue until this one case.
>>97575447Current ogres are easy as hell to assemble. Just arms and head that slot in, and hands that require you to hold em in place for a few seconds until your plastic glue starts bonding.Their biggest issues are having just two poses for the foot troops and more mold lines than modern GW kits.You don't need to do like I do and take the parts for a sitting rider, cut the boots off and elongate the legs (also resculpt the ass) to make a unique standard bearer for a reinforced unit of gluttons.
>>97579074I've got my fingers crossed here since your stuff really did inspire me. I don't even know if ogors are gonna be hot sellers or super big so honestly might be worth just keeping them and taking the L money wise.
>>97578764>regular shitwell, its still 4e so thats the best to hope for
I wanna get into AoS, is there any rumor mill shit about the next edition? Old World feels like a temporary thing and the models seem more expensive at a glance so I'd rather get a gravelords army put together but AoS in my area is pretty rare and I dont know if I'll get any fun after the fun of painting it all up.
>>97578719Going back to rdp instead of aura is a good move. Making the points based off the most valuable hero instead of a cumulative effect is dumb.The rest sounds like the army is going to become more flimsy and limp wristed without gaining anything in return. There's nothing the army can't do in the faction pack that they'll be able to do now. It's a reactive army with crappy stats and 3 up rolls, so they'll just decrease points to a ludicrous amount like they did to stalkers.Like there's nothing fun or wish fulfilling about that. They aren't really tweaking the one thing the army used to excel at which is restoring models. So your games are basically a stat check and how dumb your opponents are then about you actively making smart moves. Hell the best unit is going to be the same thing it was prebook, the morghasts.If you want a sneak peek look at the spearhead rules. They're complete nonsense.
>>97579168Loads of rumors and "leaks" about stuff upcoming. Everyone's getting some super mechanized castle walker, big update to cities, ogor refresh and update, more skaven, lots of weird individual random models.Also I'm lucky AOS around me is very popular.
>>97579169its gonna be completely fine outside of tournaments.
So one thing that I saw a little bit of discussion on in one of the previous threads, but this new rumoured gutter runner unit was 100% supposed to be a warcry warband right? It's got the characteristic >leader guy>second in command with crazy weapon>other standout guy>basic guys with some weapon varietyI feel like this is too much vatiety for a normal unit. Especially the guy with the tank/backpack screams warcry to me. I mean they even got the little extra critters in there like they did for kruleboyz or seraphon.>>97579168We have tons of rumours for the remainder of this edition, but nothing much for 5th edition, except that it'll likely happen next summer because that's just kind of the cycle gw does things in. Starter sets for aos have thus far followed a pattern, and if this holds we'll have stormcast (surprise) vs a death faction as the edition starters. There was someone claiming the death faction in question would be vampire coast (sans vampires), but that was probably just some guy on here taking the piss. that being said, there was that recent rumour engine featuring a feather in a cap (?) that looked a lot more fucked up than the way they usually sculpt those...
>>97579195I dunno if you can understand what I'm saying but the army is boring now, and after the update it's both boring and bad and doesn't fulfill the archetype the 2e and 3e tomes setup in any shape or form.I don't give a flying fuck what the win percentage is, I just want building and playing lists to be fun again.
breaking news!underworlds is wrapping up and will be done foreverold rumormonger comments: there will be an aos skirmish game that's a successor to both underworlds and warcry
>>97579318that would be the best outcome if they keep all kits.
>>97579332>if they keep all kitsthat's not happening and you know it
>>97579342They really should though.Drop as many of them in as many spearheads and regiments of renown as possible, they're the ideal entry product.
>>97579332>>97579318if it means they get non-legends rules then based. but uh....I'd really like it if it got a narrative focus.
>>97579342you would have the game filled with units and namec characters as well as a making it seem less like a waste to players of the previous games.
Every 8 months theres a retard that shows up in my area trying to get people to play warcry and every 8 months no one does because they get real obnoxious with it and every time they see someone asking for a game of aos they go HEY BTW DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN PLAY WARCRY WITH THOSE MODELS????
>>97579393has he at least introduced them to the warcrier website?
>>97579391some of them can be named characters, some can become generic units, others can be shuffled together with other warbands into a larger thingor become elements of spearhead
I genuinely cannot think of a worse era for gameplay. I don’t understand how no one says anything at GW. This 3+ guy/people writing and designing the gameplay are incompetent and design terribly. What recourse do we have? Can you email GW to tell them to fire a shit writer?
>>97579422I still remember someone here back in the start of 4e that pusgoyles were horribly overpriced and that he emailed it but idk who or what he emailed them with.
>>9757942210th ed 40k and 4th ed aos are their most popular editions BY FAR and GW has no reason to change them even though both rulesets are pretty bad (40k is way worse than aos right now)
>>97579422>>97579491They're dumbing down rulesets to the point where any semi-literate moron can play and it's reaching the point where every army has mostly the same shit, just with different ability names and hardly any customization for your armies. At this rate it's all just gonna be fancy chess instead of a fucking war game.
>>97579520That's why people should play TOW
>>97579533Id rather play something non gw related, which is honestly looking more and more tempting with all the new shit coming out.
Things that need to come back to AOS in 5th>Full lores of magic instead of the small handful of spells>Character customization including weapons and magic items>army effects based on what realm they're from
>>97579566Not happening because that's too hawd for the wittle new players and the writtle comp players>>97579563That's also fair
>>97579566>army effects based on what realm they're fromThis is something I'd like to see but they might make that relegated to battleplans or something. Or they'll copy that card thing that 40k has and internalize it with that. >Character customization including weapons and magic itemsYes, but I dont want that. At least not pre-made. I want to make my own items and weapons. bonus points if I can give my characters/units negative traits like in ptg. which can make them cheaper or has more implications within the army. >Full lores of magic instead of the small handful of spellssure. Armies of renown need this the most at least.
>>97579422Just don't buy anything and move on, come back later if something looks interesting. They're aware of player feedback given the surveys and questions they asked.>>97579491I dunno about 10e but for 4e I noticed it had less sign ups than kill team for lvo and palm springs when it used to pull more than double those numbers. Not going to say I'm happy to see that but maybe it will cause some positive change for 5e.
>>97576689So each sub faction is gonna base their aesthetics around one of these gods like helsmiths? What's gonna happen to the kharadron?
>>97579598God no I'm so fucking sick of 40k mission decks. They were fun in 9th when they weren't for matched play
>>97579563Bolt Action is pretty great. I know you said no GW, but mesbg is really good too (mostly because it’s the same rule set for the last 20 years with only minor tweaks and additions).
>>97579728It’s quite literally the only thing holding tenth apart
>>97579740They're easily one of the worst things about 10th and that says a lot in such a shitty edition
>>97579743Yeah, I checked out of 40k early in 10th and now hearing that 11th is just a tweaked version I am basically done with 40k. I’m on the line of being done with AoS too. There’s too many better games out there to endure the muck.
>>97579738Wow I don’t shits about either. I could have potentially gotten into middle earth before Rohan but that killed the scene and any personal prospect I had for it with it. Bolt actions just for mouth breathers, same with konflict 47.
>>97579748Wdym Bolt Action is 40k if it actually had rules
>>97579762Thank you for proving my point.
>>97579778Yw fag
>>97579743>rerolls your opinion with a +1 to hit
>hours between postsDamn HoH really killed this game eh?
>>97581487>Damn, Cathay really killed The Old World, eh?
>>97579566>full lores of magicWould be nice, especially for the more magic centric factions>character customization including weapons and magical itemsI kind of find the multiple weapon options kind of annoying, at least when trying to figure out how I need to put my models together. I'd rather they just give units multiple options on their warscroll and you could pick whichever fits the situation. Unfortunately they're pulling back on both of these things, many units in the new tzeentch book lost their different loadout options making them more boring. >army effects based on the realm their fromI agree with >>97579598, put that kind of stuff in the battle plans so you can have interesting twists both players can take advantage of and increase the variety, instead of it being the same thing every time you play that faction.
>>97581566Cathay outsold every 2025 AoS release combined.
>>97581717And people immediately put it into AoS as some faggoty CoS proxy.
>>97581717>ToW shillAnd now you expose yourself
>>97581717Curious how ToW didn't even break the top 10 wargames for 2025 then huh
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>>97576249I mean Battle tome review shows get between 10k and 30k views.It's not a big audience but it shows people play.
